The Weekly Planet - 469 Scream VI & 65 Dinosaurs Movie

Episode Date: March 13, 2023

Let's be real with each other. It's time to talk about two equally great movies, Scream 6 and the movie 65 dinosaurs. Plus we get into all the news including James Gunn potentially confirmed as the next Superman director, the MCU introduces it's first original hero, Marvel pairs back it's output, more Star Wars projects cancelled, John Bernthal returns as The Punisher in Daredevil: Born Again, we're getting more Zorro, a trailer for TMNT Mutant Mayhem, Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League delayed and more! Thanks for listeningNick Mason on The Loremen Podcast - http://www.loremenpodcast.com/episode-35-s4Comic Tropes IndieGogo Fundraiser - https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/comic-tropes-first-comic-project#/Visit bigsandwich.co for a bonus weekly show, exclusive movie commentaries, early stuff and ad-free podcast feeds for $9 per month.Please be aware timecodes may shift due to inserted ads. Skip extra few minutes when avoiding spoilers. Feeds on Patreon, YouTube and bigsandwich.co are unaffected.00:00 The Start05:50 James Gunn Superman Movie Confirmed08:43 The First Original MCU Character11:21 More Marvel Stories14:21 Star Wars Movies Shelved23:23 The Punisher is Back25:50 TMNT: Mutant Mayhem Trailer28:18 Zorro Remake30:19 Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League Delayed33:08 Warner Bros. Leaks36:42 Bigger Joker40:53 Scream 6 (spoilers 54:35 to 01:06:43)01:06:43 65 Dinosaurs Movie (spoilers 01:20:08 to 01:27:25)01:27:25 What We Reading, What We Gonna Read01:34:35 Letters, It's Time For LettersJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownMaso's Instagram ► https://www.instagram.com/nickmaseauThe Weekly Planet Twitter ► https://twitter.com/theweeklyplanetPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesTWP iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767TWP Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetTWP YouTube Channel ► https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2QbmwGjT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Oh, okay. What do you want me to add? Well, I don't want people to think that my clicking went out of rhythm because my clicking was good and you ruined it. How about a bit of this? That's more my speed, I like it. Do the new. Oh, okay. When we talk movies and comics and TV shows,

my name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday. With me as always is the jazziest co-host, probably in this room, Rick Mason. You want me to walk out some news with the bass? Please. Boom, boom, ba-doom. It's jazz time on the podcast, folks. You one of those guys who can do two instruments at once with the mouth?

Not even one at all. You're no Joel Turner. That's right. Good reference. Thank you. Now, in weeks past, James, you've been like, that reference is too local. That's too local.

That's like a 2004 Australian Idol reference or something. That's too local. It is too local, but I don't regret it because I want people to know all of our Aussie larrikins and legends, Mason. All our culture. Exactly, all of our culture, yeah. So, Mason, this week. Anyway, it's great to be here.

Hey, speaking of this week. What? It's great to be here, but it was also great to be on the Lawmen podcast. Oh, my God. Were you on a podcast? I was on a podcast. So, some time ago, I recommended a podcast that I enjoy listening to when I'm walking to and from work.

Yeah. It's called the Lawmen podcast. That's your only time, is it? That's a good time to, you know, take in the sights and listen to a podcast. I'm glad. Same sights every time. There's a shop, you know? Yeah.

There's a shop I walk past. There's that shop. Probably walk past that later. Yeah. On the way back. Yeah. But anyway, it's a podcast all about local legends and folklore from days of yore. You're not on there.

Oh, I see what you're saying there, right? Thank you. No, because I'm a weird freak. If they were going to mention any local legend, it would be Joel Turner. I live in the woods. It would be Joel Turner. It would be Joel Turner, obviously, and his modern day poets. But it's about local legends specifically, sort of, you know, a lot of English folklore

and ghosts and goblins and ghouls and headless horsemen and all that sort of stuff. And I find it absolutely delightful. Great. And so James Shake Shaft, who's one half of the podcast, reached out and said, do you want to be on the podcast? And I said yes, and it's taken me a long time to get organised so we could do the podcast. I hear you, man.

But I went on James and Alistair Beckett King, and James told us all about some spooky tales of the town of Northampton, which is, of course, most famous for being where Alan Moore is from. That's right. They should call it Moore-thampton. That's great. That's good. That's fresh content, by the way.

I didn't say that on the podcast. Really? I didn't think of it until like a week later. Is it too late? It is too late. Maybe. Good email. So what's the thing in Northampton?

Spooky geese. You could have said regular geese and that's fine. Not spooky geese. Okay, well, that's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I had a good old time, so people should listen to that, I reckon. I will. I can't listen to it, obviously, because I was on it.

Yeah. And I can't listen back. So if everybody else could listen in my place. It's illegal for you to listen to it. It would be illegal. That's why I got Collings to start editing these. Yeah, that's right. Because every time I listened to it, the police would turn up. That's right. Yeah. That's why I got Collings to start editing these. Yeah, that's right. Every time I listened to it, the police would turn up.

That's right. Yeah. That's great. What are you listening to, they'd say, and you'd go, The Weekly Plan, and they're like, we haven't heard of that. Joel Turner? Well, we've heard of that. We are perpetually stuck in 2004.

Our musical taste is stuck in 2004. As is mine. Now, Mason, this week we've got two great movies to talk about, equally great. Love it. Tom York is also from Northampton. Now, Mason, this week we've got two great movies to talk about, equally great. Love it. Tom York is also from Northam. Oh, really? Yeah.

Great. And Radiohead. Oh, I thought he was like a friend of yours. No, no, no. No, because it just sounds so generic as a name and probably person. Wow. Probably just looks like a tadpole that somebody's drawn a face on, I reckon.

No? Wow. No? I can't believe you don't like Radiohead. I heard. Even after all of my insistence that you do love Radiohead. You said he looks like discount Chris Martin. I did not say that.

You did say that. And he's not as good as Chris Martin. That's what you said. Wow. Yeah. I wouldn't know because I've never heard them. I said Radiohead is home brand Coldplay is what I said. You're twisting my words.

Anyway, so we're going to talk about the movie 65 and Scream 6, which is pretty exciting. But, of course, we to talk about the movie 65 and Scream 6, which is pretty exciting. But, of course, we've got some news up top leading up to that, which will be time-coded below, including James Gunn directing Superman Confirmed. Oh, James Gunn certainly reading something. Was he watching something this week? He had a Superman comic or book or something or mug.

He did that, but he also, I believe, he posted a photo of himself watching maybe the Richard Donner. Oh, he did the Donner Cut. Yeah, you're right. The MCU has got its first solely created superhero outside of the comics apparently. And outside of Agent Coulson. Yeah, that's my example of like,

I don't know if that's strictly true, Mason, but we'll talk about it. And then we've got to talk about the Disney's Thursday presentation call for Morgan Stanley 2023's Technology Media and Telecom Conference. I love that. Where Bob Igers talks about some Star Wars stuff or whatever. Who's the Embracer Group? That's what I'm thinking of.

That's big Embracer Group vibes there. One of our favourites. Jon Barenthal is back but as the Punisher. Oh, just not in life. No. Hey, everybody, I'm'm back I left my wallet at this cafe I'm back though

John Barenthal's back we're also going to talk about a trailer for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Mutant Mayhem that's right then we're going to talk about a Zorro remake

then some Warner Brothers stuff in relation to the Suicide Squad Kills the Justice League then Batman Animated News and then something leaked at Warner Brothers and then we're going to briefly talk about Bigger Joker Duff in relation to the Suicide Squad Kills the Justice League, then Batman animated news, and then something leaked at Warner Brothers, and then we're going to briefly talk about Bigger Joker,

and then we're going to talk about Patty Jenkins. Oh, I was confused for a moment, but I know what you mean by Bigger Joker. Yeah, Patty Jenkins, Rogue Squadron team. And we've got some Red Dwarf news. Yeah, that's right. In the letters. Maybe that'll be my one bit of news. Let's save it for then then.

Okay. Anyways, Mason, this first bit of news, I know we talked about James Gunn specifically watching Superman, etc. But Comic Pop, the YouTube channel, well, there's two channels. Oh, yes. So there's Comic Pop and Comic Pop Returns, and both are amazing. Sal runs them with Tiffany. It's incredible.

There's two other guys on there. What are their names? I don't know. Incredible. Is this a test? Yeah, it's Ethan and Ben. Okay, terrific. You going to edit There's two other guys on there. What are their names? I don't know. Incredible. Is this a test? Yeah, it's Ethan and Ben. Okay, terrific. You're going to edit around that or?

No, no. Terrific. That was embarrassing for you. I knew it was a test for you. Okay, right. I watch this stuff all the time. Anyway, Sal is great. And he also accidentally broke a scoop and then had to remove the video.

Oh, my goodness. So basically he was speaking to Tom King, a famous comic book creator. And Tom King, he was asking about like, what's the creative process for, for the DCU and the writer's room and all of that. And he just straight up confirmed that James Gunn will write and direct the Superman movie.

So yeah. Cat's out of the bag. Yeah, that's right. I mean, you can't take that pee out of the pool, can you? Well,

no, he did remove the video. I spoke to him about it and be like, can I talk about this? And he was like, yeah, absolutely. You can't take that pee out of the pool, can you? Well, no. He did remove the video. I spoke to him about it and be like, can I talk about this? And he was like, yeah, absolutely. Was he going to remove everybody's eyes and memories? Yeah, exactly. Can't do it, can you? Superman cam with a big kiss.

Now, does this suggest that perhaps Tom King was not supposed to say that? Okay. Exactly. Do you think he's fired from something? Yeah, he's fired from all things. Wow. Yeah, that's true. Well, he just finished Human Target, so.

Exactly, and that's great. That's great. So great so yeah but i just want to quickly say like if you want like incredible interviews with a bunch of comic creators he's done one with like done multiple ones with like mark wade patton oswalt's in there todd mcfarlane greg capullo the recent one has mentioned with tom king which is going up again later he's editing that bit out but it's going up later this week if you want like it'll be a title card that says, we edited out the bit where Tom King said that James Gunn is writing and directing the Superman movie. We edited it out for legal reasons, and it's because we didn't want to embarrass Tom King.

So, yeah, Comic Pop and Comic Pop returns well worth a look, Mason. Oh, yes. So there you go. I'm happy with that. James Gunn, I think, has got a really good track record, and there's no reason for me to think he won't make a good Superman movie unless he doesn't, in which case I knew it. Now here's a question.

How does Tom King know that he's writing and directing Superman? Because he's involved in – well, he wrote Superman, Woman of Tomorrow. No, he didn't. He didn't write Superman, Woman of Tomorrow. That doesn't even make sense. No. What's the thing that he wrote? He wrote Superman Up in the Sky.

Yeah, he wrote that. I think he's just involved. He's in the zeitgeist. I don't know if he's in the zeitgeist. I think he's in the sky. Yeah, he wrote that. I think he's just, you know, he's involved. He's in the zeitgeist. I don't know if he's in the zeitgeist. I think he's in the area. What do you think a zeitgeist is? What do you think it is? I'll tell you if you're right.

Let's do a little standoff here. Okay. Why don't we wait until the end of the show? And then reveal what we both think the zeitgeist is. And neither of us will Google it quickly. Okay. Mason, so here's something. It's a big suit.

It's like the mask wears. Yeah. He wears that big zeitgeist. There's a big zeitgeist, yeah. It's yellowish suit. It's like the mask wears. Yeah. He wears that big zeitgeist. There's a big zeitgeist, yeah. It's yellowish stuff. That's what I think also. Big house with a feather in it. I didn't even have to Google it.

Big watch chain and two-tone shoes. It's his zeitgeist. I agree. Mason. It's smoking. It is smoking. Yeah. Bad movie though.

Mason. It's a great movie. It's some MC News. I love that. MC News. Yeah. They are going to release its first solely created superhero. Now, as in this is a character made exclusively for the MCU.

This is a character called Khori. Probably like Marvel Snap. Probably like Marvel Snap, yeah. Probably for Marvel Snap. Yeah, it is. It's just a pack of cards. They're going to look at all these Marvel Snap characters that we've given gems to for this game.

Terrific. I love it. People like it. They like it. to for this game. Terrific. I love it. People like it. They like it. People like the game. I agree. I've had opportunities to promote it and I'm like, I don't know what this is. And I think it's-

We can tell you what it is. Yeah? Go on. We, as in me and you. No, I mean the character of Michael. Oh, yeah. Okay. We can tell you.

Oh, we can tell you. And we'd give you money and also we'd- Yeah. I mean, that's all good. I don't know if you've noticed, but I've kind of dropped off a lot of the YouTube commercial ads because it's just a fucking hassle, to be honest. Just going back and forth with a marketing agency and they're like, can you say this? You know how we said to say this, say this. And I'm just like, I'm just not, no.

I'm not going to do this anymore. Go to Big Sandwich. Sign up there and I'll stop doing ads on YouTube. So Marvel presumably at this point is caved and they're giving us $9 a month. That's right. Okay. Well, he said it. All right.

Yeah. Anyways, this character of Khori, I'm not sure how to pronounce it exactly, but it's going to be introduced. She's going to be introduced in What If. I see. In this episode, ask the question, what would happen if the Tesseract fell to earth and landed in the Sovereign? I cannot say this word.

Spin it around. I'll have a look. With utmost around, I'll have a look. With utmost confidence, I'll say it. Yeah, you say it. Oh, I've made a horrible mistake here. No, you have to do it now. Okay. Haudenosaunee Confederacy.

That is very disrespectful. I would never have done that, obviously. Before the colonisation of America and the Tesseract takes on a new life and a new mythology, transforming a lake into a gateway to the stars and leading Khori, a young Mohawk woman, on a quest to discover her power. So this is an episode written by Ryan Little and the character is developed in close collaboration

with members of the Mohawk Nation like historian Doug George and language expert Cecilia King. So there you go. Exciting. So the character design looks cool. Looks good, doesn't it? I think it's Amber Midthunder. Oh, you go. Exciting. So the character design looks cool. Looks good, doesn't it? I think it's Amber Midthunder. Oh, from the movie Prey.

Prey is voicing. I think I saw that. If not. Well, you know, and people. If not, I'm wrong. Immediately upon seeing Prey, they were like, why don't they get her in the MCU? And people were like, she's already done a Marvel thing.

And they're like, just do another thing. Do a second thing. Do a second thing. So this is a character I could imagine, if they've cast her, could jump over to live action if necessary, which is the only thing that counts. It's true. It's the only real and good thing in my life, Mason.

MCU content. Yes. Speaking of. Go on. This comes via Disney's Thursday presentation at Morgan Stanley's 2023 Technologi- Damn it. I fucked it up again, Mason.

Well, they expect that, so you have to say it over and over again. You're right. And it gets embedded in our minds. We go something, something, Marvel, Morgan Stanley, something. It's in the zeitgeist. It's in the zeitgeist. That's right. Bob Iger came out in a leopard print suit.

This comes via Disney's Thursday presentation at Morgan Stanley's 2023- His financials are smoking, he said. Thank you, because that could be a chance to take a breath. Technology, media, and telecom conference. So Bob Iger was talking about the future of Marvel and specifically Star Wars, but more, no, just Marvel. He said, Marvel? There were 7,000 characters.

There are a lot more stories to tell. What we have to do is look at Marvel. Marvel is not necessarily is the volume of storytelling, but how many times we go back to the well on certain characters. What we have to do is look at Marvel. Marvel is not necessarily the volume of storytelling, but how many times we go back to the well on certain characters. What if it was like, listen, it's the volume of storytelling. How many stories can we tell? Quality irrelevant. We're just going to, just an absolute barrage.

A waterboard of stories. Just an absolute unending torture of bad. We're going to get the AI to write it. They should change it to MCUGB. Marvel Cinematic Universe. Of Great Britain. Oh. Same thing am I right?

Because of the torture. Whoa! He'll say anything. I'll say anything. Anyway, he said, sequels typically work well for us, but do you need a third or fourth, or is it time to turn to other characters? So that's the first part.

Presumably, do you reckon that could be Thor-related? Could be Ant-Man-related? It is 100% Ant-Man-related. Ant-Man, what have you done? Here's the thing also, he also said Solo's disappointing box office gave us pause on Star Wars. We're being very careful there. Is this the same?

It is the Morgan Stanley Technology Media and Telecom Conference. Which is interesting. Maybe the cadence was a little too aggressive. We're going to make sure when we make one it's the right one, so we're going to be very careful there. I mean, sure, but it's interesting he's gone back. That was like five years ago. It's interesting he's gone back to Solo and not Rise of Skywalker,

which I think is much worse. I completely agree. And also the reason that I think maybe the reason he's looking at Solo as the big loss is because it costs so much to make, but it costs so much to make because they filmed it twice. Yeah, well, exactly. But if you look at like the ill will that people have towards Star Wars, and it's not everybody.

For example, I live for live action Star Wars content. I don't know if you know that, Mason. It's the only thing that's important in my life. I don't know if you know that, Mason. It's the only thing that's important in my life. I don't know if you know that, Mason. I'm a very weird. There are different brands in front of me and this is the one I like. That's right. It's the rise of Skywalker.

Yeah. And I like The Last Jedi and people's also perception of that. It's not Solo. Solo came and went. Yeah. People don't think about it. Yeah, and yet he's chosen to put it in here. Yeah, because it's the money thing.

But is it also because they don't want to admit their most recent thing was bad? Well. Most recent-ish thing was bad. We should tell them. We should jump in on the call. Excuse me, Mr. Iger, Dad, you would say. Yeah, if you wouldn't mind. Yeah.

Well, let's talk about this then because things were in the middle of it because Variety are reporting that both Patty Jenkins' Rogue Squadron movie and Kevin Feige's Star Wars movie, they're not in active development, but Taika Waititi's is still in development and he's going to take on a role similar in prominence to what he played when he played Hitler. Huh. Yeah. Interesting.

Yeah, in the movie where he played Hitler. Yes, yes. What do you think of that? Well, I mean. The Patty Jenkins thing is not surprising. I think they just forgot they cancelled it. They were like, we're going to announce something. Look, we cancelled a bunch of stuff.

It's like when you leave your house and you're like, did I forget one thing? Yeah. They're like, we forgot to say we're going to cancel that thing. We should have cancelled it. We cancelled it a long time ago technically. Absolutely, yeah, yeah. So that's exciting, isn't it?

Very exciting. It's interesting that the Taika Waititi one is saying, like why the Kevin Feige one? Is it because he's too busy with the Marvel stuff that's happening? He must be, right? Yeah. Unless this is Ant-Man, Quantumania. Maybe it is.

Maybe the, you know, the. You're on thin ice, Feige. Maybe the thin ice that every other creator has been dumped onto in the past with regards to Star Wars stuff has finally made its way up to Feige. I think it's very possible that what they've done, that he's come back in because he's back, your dad. He's not at as many family dinners because he's doing this. He's sorting brands and I love that about him.

I love it also. I love this bit. It's not as fruitful for comedy, I think, as maybe we initially thought it would be. Oh, really? When we... I disagree. Okay.

I reckon we could just keep doing it forever. I think so too. It's not skin off my bloody nose. I keep doing it forever I think so too but um it's getting off my bloody nose I'll do it I don't care he probably looked at the scope of what everything was happening and went

is the best use of Kevin Feige to do a Star Wars thing uh huh or to kind of write the Marvel ship and like streamline all their stories

so there's not a new Marvel thing every week yeah yeah yeah absolutely and maybe it's just a sign of maybe they're doing clean slate Star Wars. I know there's been talk that maybe Kathleen Kennedy will leave soon, which wouldn't surprise me because it's been 10 plus years now since she's taken over.

So she probably will step down in the next year or couple of years. They're probably like, we'll give you a huge payout. Yeah, exactly. You take it. You take your 10-day payout. But you need it. I mean, you know. She's probably up for long service leave.

No doubt. She'll take three months off. That's right. Or six months on half pay, you know. Maybe do a Contiki tour. Maybe do a little Contiki tour, sure. Yeah, that's right. So I'm not surprised by cancelling of Star Wars.

I look forward to more of it in the near future, Mason. Because that's what you like. The one thing you like the most is cancelling Star Wars stuff. I kind of do, Mason. It's what you live for. It's what you love. I love whatever brand is the most is cancelling Star Wars stuff. I kind of do. It's what you live for. It's what you love. I love whatever brand is in front of me and whatever they're doing with it. But the surprising thing, I think, is maybe the Taika Waititi thing.

Still in, still creating. He's going to be in it also. Yeah, apparently, yeah. So, you know, yeah. I think he could make a great Star Wars movie or whatever it is. Sure. Could be a mobile game. Yeah.

And also, I'm not as invested in Star Wars as I am Marvel stuff. So if it turns out to be awful, no skin off my body knows it to that much. That's true. Look, I think he's genuinely like a great director. And I know we didn't love Thor Love and Thunder. You loved it. I didn't like it at all.

I thought it was awful. But I think pretty much like most of his other stuff, he's like good and above. But I feel like the Scuttlebutt is he succumbed to some sort of Hollywood madness. Okay. Pretty much like most of his other stuff, he's good and above. But I feel like the Scuttlebutt is he's succumbed to some sort of Hollywood madness. Okay. Don't you feel that way? Wait, is that something you think or just the Scuttlebutt?

I think the internet thinks that. I think the internet is like he's gone Hollywood mad. I thought he'd be too old to succumb to Hollywood madness, but I guess it can affect anybody. I think he's just like, well, maybe this is my only chance to have Hollywood madness. Yeah, I'm going to do it. So I better, you know. I don't think if I was in Hollywood, I don't think I'd take advantage of Hollywood madness.

You simply wouldn't. I'm weak like that, Mason, you know. I just don't think I could lean into it. Oh, you think it's not so much that you were so strong-willed you wouldn't. It's just they'd be like, hey, you want to come out and party? There's going to be drugs. And you'd be like, oh, man. Yeah. Call my kids in the middle of the night. Yeah. Because of time zones. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't want to do big drugs with you.

I also don't want to do brunch because brunch is too early. Yeah. I'll do lunch maybe. Because I've got to drive all the way out there. Yeah. Actually, that's my whole day because I have to drive back as well. LA traffic and I just, I don't know, it's the wrong side of the road here for me. No, thank you. No Hollywood madness for me. Anyways, let's get back to this investor call, which you love. I love it. There's nothing in, this is Bob Iger continuing, who's your dad.

Yep, good stuff. There's nothing in any way inherently off in terms of Marvel's brand. Do you think that's true? I think it's like the amount is off. It's the amount. I was thinking about this this week. I feel like the things that sort of cemented Marvel as a kind of a brand that people really love is kind of the same thing that's dragging it down now.

What's that? Like when everyone goes, whoa, what happened? Well, yeah, that just happened. Exactly. I feel like it was the – what tipped Marvel over the line, I think, initially to mainstream audiences, not like niche comic book audiences, was the fact that they were kind of quippy and a little bit disdainful of the whole situation. And they'd look at something and go, that's dumb, but I'm going to do it.

Well, exactly. Like in the Avengers when – if you jumped on the mc with the avengers you've not seen it before yeah and all of a sudden thor is there with his you know his cape and his hammer and his maybe his little hat or whatever yeah and you're like this is ridiculous and then iron man's like oh does what is it yeah no like does mother know you wear her drapes or whatever? And you'd be like, ah, I knew it. It does look stupid. And the cool guy in the movie said it's stupid. I'm on board with this kind of thing.

But I think now the constant self, what's the word? Referentialness? Yes, the constant self-referentialist. Zeitgeist. Exactly. It's in the ether. It is in the ether, I'll tell you that much. But I think maybe.

That was one of the gems. I think that's maybe hamstringing a little at this point. Yeah, Hemstrong. You will be like Hemsworth. Yeah. You know? We're free associating. He's got hamstrings.

Hemstrong. Yeah. Yeah. Liam Hemstrong. But I think it's that, you know, it's people like, maybe can we be a little bit more sincere? Like, you know, like Top Gun, for example. That's done huge numbers.

Avatar's done huge numbers. They're very sincere. They're jokey sometimes, but they're. So you think the tone needs to shift? Maybe they need to change this tone somehow. Like, there might have to be a gradual shift. Yeah. You know? Maybe you're right.

I think this idea that he's talked about earlier where sequels, like, maybe it's not a good idea to go back third and fourth time, I think that's absolutely okay because I think one of the strengths of leading up to the end of Phase, whatever happened, we had a pretty clear indication of who were the main players are. That's true. And even this far into this latest Phase, who's in charge? Kang.

Yeah, I guess. And Kevin Feige. Yeah, but they, so I think, you know I think they kind of built that whole movie around Kang and this is the new threat and whatever. And I don't know whether that fully comes together at the end, but the marketing scene, the selling point of that movie was this big thing is coming and then at the end it's like, okay, is it?

I guess. And then it's like... But in a way it was a very little thing. Very good. But then they're like, well, who's in charge? Is it Brie Larson and Benedict Cumberbatch? Is it the Hulk? Oh, like who's even on the Avengers anymore?

Yeah, exactly. Like Captain America's gone, which is fine. I don't mind either. Like he's gone. Iron Man's gone. Chadwick Boseman is dead. Scarlett Johansson has stepped away. You know, like Thor's around, I guess, but he's not like in charge because he's a goose.

Some of the Guardians are going to die because their contract expired. Yeah, that's right. Exactly. You're absolutely right. And I think that can all be resolved when you bring out an Avengers movie and you put Tom Holland in the front and he goes, I'm the boss. And, you know, and then I'll – Yeah, you sure are sluggish.

Yeah, it's not that I don't enjoy, like, all of these characters because most of them, I would even say all of them, like, I do, but I do feel like that you need sequels and, like, to cross-pollinate. Absolutely. To kind of knowpollinate. Absolutely. To kind of know what is it. Yeah. I reckon Midnight Sun's Wong is the leader. Cool.

Yeah. Love that. Pretty good, right? Yeah. Anyway, the rest of this quote. Yes. I think we're having- From the earnings call.

Yes. The Morgan Stanley earnings call. I think we have to look at what characters or stories we're mining. And if you look at the trajectory of Marvel over the next five years, we're going to see a lot of newness. We're going to turn back to the Avengers franchise, but with a whole different set of Avengers. And this I don't even mind.

But also that's not true necessarily because, like, you've got Hemsworth, you've got Ruffalo, you've got Captain Marvel. These are characters from, like, previous generations or whatever. So I don't know. I don't know. I also don't know. Vision generations or whatever. So I don't know. I don't know. I also don't know. Vision? Where's he?

I don't know. Where is Vision? Where's their Vision? Great. Where's the Marvel Cinematic Universe in the future? Just less stuff is fine. You know? Just less stuff.

It's fine. Don't worry about it. I think you'll have bigger returns. I found that with my YouTube channel. I'm just like, I'm not going to do trailer breakdowns every week. It's going to be like. You got way more comments than people going, where's your trailer breakdowns?

I didn't get that many. Where are they? Well, look forward to them. I've bought some bots. Anyways, let's move along to more MCU stuff. All right. Jon Barenthal will play the Punisher again in Daredevil Born Again. Did you know that? I did know that, actually. Yeah. Well. Good. All right. John Barenthal will play the Punisher again in Daredevil Born Again. Did you know that?

I did know that, actually, yeah. Well. Good. Love it. So. How's the MCU Punisher going to be in terms of, you know. What does he do? What does he do?

Yeah. You know? It's going to be 18 episodes. It's going to be next year. And apparently Deborah Ann Woll and Alden Henson, as Karen Page and Foggy Nelson, will not be returning. Now, is that true or is it simply that they were not on the released, like the call sheets that we've seen?

Oh, well, that's a great point. I probably got click baited. You might have got click baited. Well, that's what I wanted because it didn't say, nobody involved in Marvel specifically said they will not be back as far as I know. It's just we got some, I think maybe some leaked call sheets or something like that, and Berenthal was on there,

but they weren't. So it's like maybe. Who's to blame for this? That's a great question. Feige, I guess. I'll put him in the Avengers. That's a character. That is.

Oh, that's a character. But that's what I mean. Like there are a bunch of characters in this where it's like you could easily build an Avengers team and then some out of this and just kill half. Yeah. Which they did. Knock them right off. They did in the previous movie. But for reals. Yeah, but for real. But like there's plenty here, but what does that look like? Like who's...

I guess they're building to it. Anyway, as long as there's infinite movies. As long as there's infinite movies, right? Yeah, that's right. Trailer's a point. That's beautiful. Oh, Daredevil? Good. Punisher? Good. Yeah. I'm just very curious. You know, a character who is, you know, his signature extreme violence, what are they going to do with it in the MCU?

More violence. You think more violence? I could pair him up with like, I don't know if he's going to be with Daredevil, but pair him up with someone you wouldn't. Like put him with Thor or like Doctor Strange. I know that's happening in the comics. They have a cool, weird weird interdimensional story together. Team him up with Flash Thompson.

Yep. MCU Flash Thompson. Team him up with Groot. Nice. Baby Groot. Because that's cute. Got to keep him in his little pocket. Team him up with Grogu.

Something to think about. That is something to think about. Yeah. Yeah. Drow the Zahoy. Team him up with Yaddle. Yaddle's dead, Mason. What?

Yeah. She got squashed by a door or something. What? Aaddle's dead, Mason. What? Yeah. She got squashed by a door or something. What? A dude could kill her or something. What? What is this from? It happened in Tales of the Jedi. You watched it.

Did I? Yeah, I think we did an episode on it. Oh, all right. Yeah. I mean, she'd be dead anyway. It was a long time ago. It was a long time ago. Well, Yoda's 900.

Maybe Yaddle was 12. No, that is because then she'd be Grogu. She couldn't. I don't know. Anyway, the important thing is the trailer's ahoy. Honk. This is for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Mutant Mayhem. Looks super cool. It does look super cool, Mason. I like

the designs. People have questions, though. Like, why does Michelangelo have braces? Who did that? Probably Donatello, I'd imagine. Probably a backstreet dentist. Backstreet dentist? Exactly. Alright. Istreet dentist. Exactly. All right.

Sure. I like the aesthetic. I know the comparison is like Spider-Verse, but I think it does feel its own kind of style. But what I think, what I like about Spider-Verse, and we're now seeing the result of that, is they're trying like different techniques and brush strokes, Mason. Yes. I think we're getting some really interesting stuff.

Yeah. This feels like boots. Yeah, yeah feels like. Pussy Boots. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really cool. This feels like a heavier, like a more inked aesthetic. It does, yeah. Than the Spider-Verse stuff. Like just very kind of grounded and earthy, which I thought was cool.

Very dirty New York. Love a dirty New York. It was cool, yeah. And the actual teenagers, they cast like kids because they're like 14 in this. Yeah. I know some people aren't happy with the April redesign, but it gives a shit, quite frankly. Also.

Every iteration of the Turtles is different. Yeah. And also April O'Neil in the comic books has been a bunch of different races. Absolutely. Because there was some disagreement among the creators about what race she was. So she was drawn as white and black and Asian. Yep. And so canonically, it's fine.

Yeah. People just want to see the yellow jumpsuit and the red hair. We've seen it. We've seen it every. We've seen it. We've seen it all the time. And you'll see it again. You will see it again, exactly.

It's going to be okay. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. But no, I'm, there's one person who's really excited for this, Mason. It's my son. He's very excited. He's a big TMNT fan.

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So you're going to, you're going to, you're going to withhold it for punishment. Yeah, I'm going to make him watch the bad version. Great. Which is the original series plus past series one. And then I'll shock him with the original movie. That's right.

A bunch of foot soldiers, also known as teenagers, get murdered by the turtles. Oh, yeah, that's right. And then Raphael gets like dropped through that skyline. He's nearly ready for it. He's nearly ready for it. He's nearly ready for it. You think so? Yeah, I think so.

Okay, cool. Yeah. Drop him through a skyline. Oh, what? No, don't do that. No? That's actually criminal. Is it?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, Mason, I've been in trouble before for editing this podcast. I think I'll be all right. No, don't drop your kid through a skyline, everybody. Mason, this is my deadline. That felt like you were reading from a prepared statement. I am. Mason, we're in serious legal trouble.

It's my deadline. Game of Thrones scribe Brian Cogman. Fake name. No, real man. Huh, interesting. I thought you were going to say, what did you do, Cogman, from the Transformers? I don't remember anything I said.

We did Transformers. Yeah, no, I remember. Anyway, heogman, from the Transformers? I don't remember anything I said. We did Transformers. It doesn't matter. Anyway, he's been tapped to serve as the showrunner for Disney Plus' upcoming Zorro remake with Wilma Valderrama attached to the titular role. That's from That 70s Show. Is That 70s Show, yeah. Here's the thing about that guy.

Go on. It's some pretty fucking weird stuff. Just have a look through his Wikipedia. I love everything about this except for him. I'm like, why is it this guy? He's dated some very young people. Some real rough stuff coming out of that 70s show. Yeah.

And there's rougher stuff than this. Yeah. Than this guy. But, yeah, I just wish it wasn't him. There you go. Well, too bad. Because I fucking love Zorro Mason. You could unearth some rough stuff and, you know.

Get him cancelled. Get him cancelled. Look, people know Mason. People know and we'll just see, won't we? That's true, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think we'll have to do anything really, I think. Yeah.

Let the chips fall where they may, I think. That's right. But, man, more Zorro. Yes, please. Love Zorro. I would love another more Zorro. Yes, please. Love Zorro. I would love another Antonio Banderas movie, obviously. But I'll take any Zorro we can get, man. Love Zorro.

Loving Zorro as a cat. Do you think, so Puss in Boots, do you think rekindled your love for Zorro as a character? No, Mason, I always loved Zorro. I never not loved Zorro. And I love Zorro more than I love the cat because the cat, it's a cat. Wow. And cats, to me, animals are not as sexy as Zorro is. You not love Zorro. And I love Zorro more than I love the cat. Because the cat, it's a cat. Wow. And cats to me, animals are not as sexy

as Zorro is. You might think the opposite. That's not what I feel or think. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. How many cats would you kill for a new Zorro project? How many? How many could you get? I mean, I guess we could wander around afterwards. I'm not wandering around for cats. I'm not stalking cats, Mason.

If you get the cats to me, I'll kill them, all right? Okay, great. All right, good. Good. Appreciate that commitment. This news in relation to Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League is via Jason Schreier, who's a very reputable source in terms of video game journalism.

Terrific. Specifically, Suicide Squad killed the Justice League news. That's right. I would assume. I love this news. Warner Brothers and Rocksteady have delayed Suicide Squad killed the Justice League once again from May to later this year, according to a person familiar.

A showcase of the game during a PlayStation stream last month was poorly received by fans. This delay also moved Suicide Squad out of the crowded release window that currently includes Zelda, Diablo, and Final Fantasy games. For what it's worth, a delay like this is mainly for polish, not to overhaul the core gameplay that caused the backlash. Suicide Squad started off as a games as a service and will remain one short of a complete reboot, which would require a much longer delay. It's all that. So initially you're like, okay, so they're going to polish this game

and put this thing out choked with garbage. Absolutely. Wonderful. That sounds great. That's what we live for here. Just delay the inevitable for this thing that everyone fucking hates. Again, no shade to the people who made it. Clearly Warner Brothers went, make the worst thing that you can.

Absolutely. Anyway, but Jeff Grubb, who's another video game. Why break our streak? Let's just make the worst things we can and see how many we can cancel. And then dissolve the studio. Fire a bunch of people. Did you say that someone leaked a Scooby-Doo project? Let's talk about that, Mason.

Don't even worry about that. Great. But Jeff Grubb, though, another journalist said, this is actually potentially delayed until 2024. And as I said, I hope, and I don't even know if this is possible, that they just strip all the fucking dreck out of it. It's a looter shooter, online forever, seven different forms of currency fucking nonsense.

No. I hope they add an extra currency. Real money. Yeah, real, that's right. Put money into your PlayStation 5. Yes. And then mail it to us. Yeah.

God. Do you think they could do a full removal of all this stuff? Okay. I think they could probably remove it, but then that's bad and it takes years to fix. We saw the same thing with Star Wars Battlefront 2, not the first one, the second one. Oh, yeah.

They released that way and then for years they just chipped away at it until they fixed it. And by all accounts, it's a very competent and good game now. Great. Which is great. But also maybe just release a game that people like. We've still got this Wonder Woman single player game I think that's coming which uses the you make an enemy system.

That's right. And all of that. So we'll see, won't we, Bert? So when, which company, Warner Brothers made that system. They invented it. Yeah. The Nemesis system. Yeah.

Because they've copyrighted it so nobody else can use it. Yeah, great. It's a shame. Yeah, I agree. Might be out of copyright soon, but I don't know. Mason, this is by THR. After Warner Brothers Discovery scrapped Batman, Caped Crusader, that was the animated series with J.J. Abrams, Matt Reeves,

and Bruce Timm. That's right, Big Ears Batman. That's right, Big Ears Batman. Don't make fun of my big ears. Don't, don't. Why are you doing that? A decidedly different origin story. Criminals are superstitious and cowardly a lot,

and they make fun of my big ears. But they're afraid of them. That's what I think. That's why they really make fun of me. Nothing comes through the window. Oh, it's a bat with big ears. That does look kind of funny. That's funny.

I'm Batman now. I like the way it cut itself on the glass. I'm Big Ears Batman. Where are the drugs? I'm Big Ears Batman. Where's Rachel? I'm Big Ears Batman. I'm Big Ears Batman Where's Rachel? I'm Big Ears Batman Swear to me

Harvey Dent, no Swear to me, Big Ears Batman I'll hear it You'll never guess how It's my big ears I like this guy I love Big Ears Batman Me too.

It changes his whole personality. Right? Yeah. Anyway, they cancelled this. You either die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain. I'm big ears Batman. I like how it's just a regular quote and then I'm big ears Batman. And I do a voice.

But you don't work it into the quote. Also, I'm out of quotes. I don't remember anymore. I know, but it could have been like you die a hero. But you don't work it into the quote. Yeah. Like it's not. Also, I'm out of quotes. I don't remember anymore. I know, but it could have been like you die a hero and then you live long enough to become Big E as Batman. Nope. But you don't do that. That's separate.

Yeah. Yeah. That's terrific. Yeah. He's a cool guy, I think. I don't think he is cool. No, no, no, no. That's not what it's about.

Anyways, Warner Brothers Discovery scrapped it at one point, but Amazon have picked it up. Because remember, Warner Brothers have cut, cost everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Victor Zaslav, David Zaslav, whatever his name is, came in and just gutted the whole company. He gutted everything, yeah. But speaking of, because one of the things that was cancelled,

among others, was Scooby-Doo and Crypto 2, which was an animated, I think it was director, DVD or whatever the fuck streaming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This leaked. But I don't think anybody ever knew this existed. I think it was on a list of things. Right, right, right.

Scott from NerdSync would know. He's a big Scooby-Doo-ing. He would know, yeah. But this has been. He's always Scooby-Doo-ing. He is always Scooby-Doo-ing. In fact, he probably has too much Scooby-Doo material to work with these days. I agree.

He's probably sweating being like. He's poisoned by it. He's poisoned by it. That's right. Yeah, so this is. Now, what I like about this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, first. Yeah, so this is just a prop. Now, what I like about this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, first of all, I love leaked media.

Big fan, Mason. Yeah. I'm in a big company and whatever. It's got Caravan of Garbage written all over it. No, we could never do this because, yeah. It has to be like 20 years old to even attempt to use something like this. I know there are different departments and this is a minor animated thing, but it makes me go maybe we'll get Batgirl.

Maybe Batgirl will leak. Somebody maybe should leak Batgirl. I'm not saying that. Are you saying I should do it? Yeah, if you've got it, you should leak it. I don't have it though. I'm probably the, like it's very unlikely that I would have it. I'm pretty low on the list of people that would get.

You said very unlikely but not completely implausible. Yeah, that's true, yeah. Here's a question for you. I've thought about this. Maybe I know about a special character that mentored Batgirl. Yeah? Maybe I gave you a little hint earlier in the podcast. Did you really?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was it Bigger Joker? No. Okay. Was it Big Ears Batman? It was Big Ears Batman, yes. You've got to believe in yourself, Batgirl. I'm Big Ears Batman. I gestured to you to do the. you've got to believe in yourself batgirl i'm big ears batman

i gestured to you to do the firefly doesn't have what you have which is hot i'm big ears batman you know yeah i know yeah uh i will quickly do this there was a joke set video for joker 2 and there's bigger joker running around yes he's being he's in a sort of gray suit i think and he's being pursued by jok Yes, he's in a sort of grey suit, I think, and he's being pursued by Jokers from his past. Two other Jokers. Or it's like one's a thug that works for him or something? Oh, maybe, yeah.

I think it's a mind thing, do you? Yeah, I think it's in his mind. Because one of them has the Joker costume from the end of Joker. Yeah, but I feel like he's the kind of guy where somebody would make that. Oh, yeah. I think it's in his mind. People dressed up as fucking Dharma, so this would happen, wouldn't it? The Dharma initiative

From Lost I think this is in his mind But you're thinking this is real I don't care But I'm just saying I don't know And you don't know and you should admit that Even if you're right you didn't know you guessed I know

How would you leak something If you had a copy of something to leak. Right. Because I recently did a video on when Wolverine leaked. Oh, yeah, that's right. X-Men Origins, which is a fascinating talent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was Rupert Murdoch.

Because these days, like even back then, you could probably get away with it if you were just like, I'll just go to an internet cafe. You can't. I'll be there for eight hours. Yeah. But everything's CCTV now. Yeah, exactly.

So you'd have to be like, okay, well, I have to. Because it would be for eight hours. Yeah. But yeah, but everything's CCTV now. Yeah, exactly. So you'd have to be like, okay, well, I have to. Because it would be a literal crime. Yeah. So you'd have to. But I have to do this is what you're saying. Yeah. So I guess you do USB in a public place and let someone else do it. But then they could write you out.

But, well, you wouldn't like, you wouldn't give it to them. You'd give it to your elderly grandmother and they wouldn't know they were committing that crime. And then they would upload Batgirl. And they would go to jail. Yeah, but that's the thing. I don't want someone else to go to jail either, you know. I think you'd have to do, I reckon you'd have to do,

you'd have to put on a USB. I don't feel like a VPN would work. I feel like Warner Brothers would lean on the company. And I think you'd have to do like an extremely elaborate, like crisscross the city in different vehicles. I think that's too elaborate. I think you've got too many moving parts. Right.

It's like that thing where if you're going to commit a murder, you don't ask another person to be involved because then one of you. Hey, can I murder you? What? Never mind. I'm Big Ears Batman. No? No.

I thought we were just adding it to anything. No, absolutely not. There's an art to it, James. There's an art to saying a thing in a funny voice and then saying I'm Big Ears Batman. And you, sir, do not have it. You don't have that it factor. I'm sorry to break it to you.

That's a harsh reality. Yeah, but I think, you know, better to rip the bandaid off now, I think. You could have told me after the show. You could have said great joke and then after the show just go, James, I didn't want to take the wind out of your sails and derail the show. I think it's important you know, because when you fall, that's when you can get back up and get up. Big Ears Batman.

He didn't even have that quote. It was Alfred. He probably said it later. I don't think he did. Well, Big Ears Batman said it. What if Alfred was like, get up, Big Ears Batman. Can he do that? Yeah, because that's his name.

Anyway. The fact that you don't even know the rules about whether or not Alfred. Well, I was confirming it. I knew that. Yeah, okay. Anyway. What were we talking about? Doing a murder.

Doing a murder. Crisscrossing across the city. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, but I would want at least a few passes because otherwise people would be like, they'd pick you up on the CCTV and they'd track you back to your house. Yeah, fair, yeah. So.

That's right. I don't know. We're not experts here. Maybe if you've dropped like, I think to stop somebody getting in trouble, you drop multiple USBs in multiple places. Okay. So then it's like. Oh, and a rando picks it up.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So it wouldn't land on one person. But I think. I don't want a rando to go to jail. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying as well. But I think also what would happen there is they would be like, well, even if you found a copy of Batgirl or whatever it is,

you shouldn't have put it on the internet. Yeah, exactly, yeah. So you know what we could do? Upload it to YouTube for my YouTube channel. Absolutely right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What you'd have to do is you'd have to do that thing, I think. You'd have to put on a hoodie or whatever and you'd have to go

into a warehouse and then like 50 other people. Yeah. Dressed exactly like you would come out of the warehouse. I'd go into a sports game. That's right, a sports game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A New York Yankees camp like everyone else and get away with it. All right, I'll do it.

Folks, if you're out there and you've thought about this or you've committed a crime, email in. Let us know. Don't say you know you did it. Yeah, that's right. We won't write you out. We don't do that. No.

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Yeah. Ha! Mason. You said you'd get me a present for movie Christmas. Yeah, I got you two movies. These are my movies. I made them both. Congrats, man.

Thank you. I had a pretty good time at both of these movies. Wow, that's- The highest compliment I can give. I wanted these to be bad, so I'm sorry that happened to you. Oh, it was a prank on me. For Christmas, your famous movie Christmas prank, Christmas gifts.

I made six Scream movies just to make you see this one and be like, fuck, it was bad. These are all me. Wow. It's like the ending of Scream where it's like, it was me, I did it. This is so meta. No spoilers yet.

So we'll do Scream 6. Yep. And then we'll do 65 Dinosaurs. Nice. 65 Dinosaurs, there's 65 dinosaurs. So the budget of Scream 6 was $35 million. But THR says actually. They said actually.

Actually. They said actually. That was only $33 million budget. Sounds like somebody swiped $2 million and ran away with it. That's right. I might have got that wrong, but who knows. But the box office returns of this, it is the best opening for a Scream franchise ever. Obviously not adjusted for inflation, but it's $44 million.

It's going to take the top spot from Creed. Movies are back, baby. And I look at this and I go, we're six stories in, but what do you think the story was? Oh, man. All right. Well, here's the thing. In preparation for this. Did you watch all the scrim? I did. You did.

You made it. Let me tell you this. Yeah, so people may know, previously we watched, my first Scream movie was when we watched Scream 3. Scream 3. That's right. Scream 1 for a movie commentary. I'd not seen them before that. Yeah. And then I'm like, well, what happened was somebody said, can you be on my podcast?

And I said, sure. So I blocked out the day. And then they couldn't make it. They had to reschedule because one of their kids was sick and gastro. Was this me? No. No. I mean, obviously it's not you because what I appreciate about you, James, is when one of your kids has gastro, you're like,

well, just let them sit in a pile of their own vomit and diarrhea over there. We'll do the podcast. We'll not reschedule for any reason. But then I had the date of myself and I'm like, I'll watch Screams 2 through 5. Wow. And I'll tell you this. Quick breakdown.

Yes. Yeah, tell me where you're at with these. Overall, I thought they were very good. Where are the highs and lows for you? They're very well constructed. Well. Considering what it is especially. That's true.

Who'd Eddie make six that are at best okay? At worst okay, I should say. Yeah, so it's interesting, right? Well, I think okay? At worst okay, I should say. It's interesting, right? Well, I think the very nature of them, I guess, is considering so much of it is about like the characters themselves have to talk about the tropes of horror movies, slasher movies, and movies in general. They really have to think about the plot and the reveals

and who's going to be the murderer this time, et cetera. And so I guess. It's interesting that they are in danger of going up their own bums a bit. Yeah. But also I think generally they have to think about it quite carefully. Yeah.

And I don't know, I just enjoy the meta commentary. That being said, I guess they could also go like, they could also reveal that a completely random person is the killer. And if we complain, they'll be like, yeah, but sometimes movies are just bad actually. And sometimes the reveal doesn't make sense.

That's movies, isn't it? And I have to go, well, sometimes that is movies actually now that I think about it. I've always loved how they reflect the era. I think definitely in the first three. By the third one it runs out of stain. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The zeitgeist you might say.

I would say that. And speaking of zeitgeists as we we understand them, the second one. Kevin Smith is in it? Well, Kevin Smith is in it and the second one ends with a full-on Scar song at the end. Oh, yeah, that's right. Isn't the fourth one like a weird era of movies as well? Yeah, it's – and how the – And there's only one.

It's just that one kind of odd kind of one right in there. Yeah. I mean, I still think Scream 3 is the worst.

Because you mentioned, But you kind of have to watch it because it wraps up the original. Well, you mentioned, I think perhaps last week, I asked for recommendations if I could only watch,

if I only had time to watch a few. Yeah. Which ones? And you said maybe skip four. Having watched it, having watched Scream 6, what do you think? Yeah. I think only watch, if I only had time to watch a few, which ones, and you said maybe skip four. Having watched it, having watched Scream 6, what do you think? Yeah, I think it's probably more likely that you could skip three because there's not a lot from three that carries over. But, again, you kind of have to watch three to wrap up the first trilogy.

See, here's what I would say. In the spirit of, like, the new Halloweens, I would say in the spirit of like the new halloweens yeah i would say in order to watch and having watched them all very recently i would say if you're going into this you've not seen any of them i reckon all you really would need to watch is five yeah five okay and know what happened in scream one yep okay that's fair you really only need you don't need to know like every character who's referenced but i think but six has some characters that come back from five and the movie is six references and sort of calls back to all the previous ones.

But I think the middle period ones like two through four are probably not as important in the overall. I think two is more so for reasons we'll talk about. But anyway, the story is Ghostface is back. Oh, my God. How many Ghostfaces this time? It's 100. It's not that many.

It's 100. No, no, no, no. It's none. It's none this time. Somewhere between none and 100. A guy was just making it up this time. Yeah. He's like, Ghostface is over there.

And they're like, no, he's not. And he's like, oh, yeah. You got me. You called me out. I think I enjoy these. And I like these new ones. And I quite enjoyed this. I think I enjoyed the last one more.

Okay. I think the David Arquette of it all and the Neve Campbell I like. And for various reasons they're not in this. They're not in this scene. That's right. But I think they've got one more in this iteration. And then they need to give it ten years. Because I think you run out of tropes.

Because now they're the- The self-aware movie person in the movie gets tiring, and you're like, I'm sick of this. Also, we're in an era where they go, okay, we're at the end of a trilogy that's a requel. What's next? Well, we haven't- Those movies don't exist yet.

That's true. The era that horror is going to evolve into will be 10 years from now. Who knows? Maybe it'll be quicker with the way that things kind of move. So I think you kind of need to step back a bit. Otherwise it's just, yeah, it was this guy.

It was this girl. Whatever. It just becomes that. I think it needs to be more than that. I really liked the opening twist which I guess we can talk about in spoilers. The first kill. I mean, they've done meta kind of twists on twists with kills before. Like the second movie, there's the kill that happens in the cinema is actually then happens in the cinema.

Because it's like they're watching a movie based on the kill in the first movie and then a kill happens in the cinema. Yeah, yeah. And then in this one, sorry, in the fourth one. Boy, this weekend I've seen a lot of people get stabbed and like chucked around kitchens. Just roughly hurled around kitchens. And in this one, sorry, in the fourth one. Boy, this weekend I've seen a lot of people get stabbed and like chucked around kitchens, just roughly hurled around kitchens. I think one thing we probably should talk about at some point is like

the one thing that this movie I feel doesn't do particularly well is to illustrate like how badly a stab wound will injure you or not injure you depending on whether or a gunshot wound. Or who you are. Who you are, exactly. That's right, yeah. It's really shot in the head is definitively dead. Good mnemonic to remember that.

Big is Batman. No, he didn't say that. Oh, he didn't. Face it. Yes. And then in the fourth one, remember the fourth one, the start of that is. The fourth one's kind of a blur to me.

It's like the start of that movie, the opening is like a movie within a movie within a movie within a movie. That's right, yeah. Because the STAB franchise that exists within the Scream franchise has gotten more and more meta. And this is kind of that, again without spoiling it, but much better. I don't think we're spoiling anything because we're rambling on and on. Anyway, what do you think about the Core 4, Mason?

I like them. Me too. So we've got a kind of a next generation of- Scrim for towels. Oh, very good. Did you think of that just now? Just then off the top of the dome. Nice, nice.

I'm a big ears Batman. You wouldn't say that. This is my iteration of big ears Batman. I don't like that. I don't like this at all. I think they're good. We got- Oh, we should look up their names, I think.

Well, we've got the one from Wednesday. Jenna Ortega. We've got the one from the other thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's also interesting that the thing that I learned is that the scream, ghost face is always played by the same guy. The voice, yes, it is, yes. Does he also do the body?

No, I don't believe so. He's like an older guy, yeah. This isn't a spoiler, but I think that – I hated how three, the voice could modulate anything, which is like a now technology. It's not a then technology. Anyway, go on. I was going to say, you know, I don't think it's a spoiler to say

that Jenna Ortega is not Ghostface at any point. Not a big – Because, like, she's three feet tall. That's true. I think we are – But, I mean, the costume does a good, you know. Yeah, but you've got to be a certain height. So we've got Jenna Ortega.

We've got Melissa Barrera. So two sisters. Yeah, we've got two sisters. We've got Mason Gooding. And we've got the other twin, Jasmine Savoy Brown. Yeah, and that's the core four. But then we've got others turning up, obviously, Hayden Panettiere. They're all on the poster as well.

If you're looking for no spoilers or whatever, yeah, don't listen to this. But also. Dermot Mulroney. Oh, that's right. From The Wedding Date. Mm-hmm. Josh Segara, who's the assistant law guy in She-Hulk.

That's right. I knew I recognised him from somewhere. I like him a lot. Yeah, it was nice to see Samara Weaving because obviously they sort of. And she's Aussie. She's like, I'm Aussie. As I've learned from watching all the screen movies this weekend, they like to add in little cameos from kind of horror icons

or, you know, people who are known. Just a famous person. Just a famous person. And she's been in, she was in Ready or Not. And Killer Babysitter movies or whatever. First one's quite good. Second one, not as good. I thought, though, it could have been more New York, baby.

I think for a lot of it, it was like. What, just because they weren't in a bodega is not enough for you? No, it just felt like I want more streets of New York. And I know that's expensive, but they kind of sold this on it like, he's in the subway and he's whatever. And there are those moments. Sure. But it wasn't.

He's getting a slice. He's getting a New York slice. And there are, but it didn't. Oh, he's given a New York slice. That's great. That's great. I'm a real scram for Sal. Do you want to say I'm big as Batman after that? No.

You don't want to say that. He wouldn't say that. I said that. Your version wouldn't say that, yeah. But no, I don't think that's a cost thing because we saw that when Freddie goes to New York or whatever it was, Jason goes to New York and whatever. You know, that one.

They should have saved time and carpooled into New York and filmed all the scenes at the same time. It would have saved them a bit of money. Yeah. I did like that. I know they threatened that this was going to be a more brutal ghost face. And I think that is true. Okay.

I think there are, like, there is people definitely getting thrown around a kitchen a lot more. Yeah, yeah. Like the stabbings. It's like you see a stab and a twist. A twist of the knife. Literally and metaphorically. But it doesn't necessarily mean anything.

We'll talk about, like, what is being stabbed in this. Depends who you are. Yes. Mostly. I, you know, I'm referring back to, and it sort of happens in this as well, in five, Courtney Cox gets shot through the stomach and she's just like, I'll be fine.

Yeah. And that's kind of a running theme through all of these where it's like. I think this one is particularly egregious though. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, I don't also care. Sure, yeah. Because whatever. Yeah. I think all in all, like, this is a pretty consistent series particularly egregious though yeah yeah but you know i don't also care sure yeah because whatever

yeah i think all in all like this is a pretty consistent series because i want to lead into spoilers because there's not really much else yeah i mean uh yeah i mean i think it looks as you know there i guess there is a lack of new york stuff but it does look pretty much like new york despite the fact that it was filmed in can. Yeah, the core cast are good. I think there is a fine line especially for, hang on, actor name. Melissa Barrera? No. Skeet Ulrich?

Mindy, the actor who plays Mindy. Jasmine Savoy Brown. Yes, because there is a fine line between a character who's self-aware about these sort of movies in these movies from being being sort of endearing to incredibly annoying yeah that's why they killed randy in the second movie yeah yeah great stuff uh yeah but now all in all this is like this had all the scream things and i think and we'll talk about this in spoilers yes in this series there's kind of one more card you can play oh yeah and we'll talk about it in spoilers. Anyway, I think if you like these. Yes. Yes.

Let me ask you this. Before we get into spoilers, so no spoilers here, did you feel like the killer was telegraphed particularly hard? I kind of. No, I was going in another direction. Oh, interesting. Which I wanted. But that was looking back.

Yep. It's very obvious. Uh-huh. But I was so sure that it was somebody else that I missed it. Interesting. So, yeah, which we'll talk about. Anyway, yeah, again, if you like Scream, best movie ever.

At least watch, I would say, one and five. I think so too. But you could watch all of them. I reckon watch one and then. Oh, and they just write Neve Campbell out. They're just like, she didn't want to do this. She didn't want to get stabbed this time. And fair enough, actually.

But, you know, actually as well, speaking of that, I feel like it's been a pretty effective changing of the guard in terms of replacing the previous cast with the new cast. I completely agree. Because obviously it would be less

impactful if they just went, you know, it's four new people from the town and whatever and they don't have any relationship. But they've added relationships between these characters and the previous generation of characters in a way that I felt quite natural. Yeah, absolutely. Completely agree. Anyway, best movie ever.

Best movie ever, yeah. So I guess on the opening. Yes. It's Samara weaving and she gets lured into an alley. Yes. And killed by Spider-Man's nemesis. Yes. Mr. Tony Revolori.

That's right, who I quite like. Delightful. Because he's doing a big scream. Yeah. So he goes home and he's like, I've done a big scream and my room man and I have done a big scream. And I'm like, there's no way he's doing the full scream in this movie. He can't do a big scream.

Because, again, like I said, he's unrelated to the other character. Exactly. They're not going to let just a guy doing a big scream. No. Anyway, it turns out then he gets screamed. He gets screamed. And I liked that aspect of it. And then he's introduced to this more brutal ghost face.

And I was sure up until the mask came off that it was going to be Matthew Lillard. There you go, yeah. And that's why I couldn't see all the obvious reasons why it absolutely should not and was not him. Well, there's a moment where Quinn, who is the sister's roommate, she's like, yeah, since my brother died. And I'm like, well, her brother's Richie from the previous movie.

Obviously. It makes so much sense. And also they talk about how like. And I'm like, you're never going to elaborate. Like nobody's going to be like, oh, what was your brother's deal? Yeah. That's right. Exactly.

I think they might have said a car accident. Because like, and they also referenced in Scream 2 that it was in a college. And it's not going to be the boyfriend this time up, which I never thought it was going to be. And like there's going to be the killers are going to be related to the previous killer, which it was. It's Scream 2 again. Yes.

And I just completely missed it. And also, but the idea that I thought that it could have been him because he's older, he would have been more brutal. Well, even when you see, and they even do the line-up of, these are all the people who did the scream. And there's a picture of him there. And it's his deceased question mark. And there's also next to him is a much bigger picture of Skeet Ulrich

because that's the person that people remember in this universe. They're like, he did the killing and there was another guy. I can see how that would have been like, would have worn on him. And then he comes back to kill the Skeetall Rich's daughter. Yes. Also there's like very heavily implied subtext, and this is intentional, that like they had a relationship, also a romantic relationship, but they did it out of love and whatever.

And they also, you see the TV that killed him. Yes. Maybe. Exactly. I think they're saving it for. Yeah, I think they're saving it for the next one. And there's also a moment where you see, like they literally just dumped the TV on somebody at some point,

the same TV. There's a conversation about how like he supposedly died, like implies that he was alive and all of these things. But I think if you bring back Neve Campbell in the next one, which I think they will do, they just need to bite the bullet and give her the money that she deserves for this. Is that why she's not in this one? Yeah.

Okay, right. Yeah, I mean I know they say that she doesn't want to get stabbed but that's not the actual reason. No, because they're not actually really stabbing her. No, that's right. Exactly. So I think that would wrap up this iteration of the trilogy and also the previous one.

Yeah. Because we talked about this, but Scream 3 was initially going to be he was alive and he was orchestrating all the killings from a jail cell. Yeah, yeah. And he was responsible for Scream 2 and et cetera. That's right. And they took that out because of Columbine or something, which doesn't really make any sense, but okay.

And they replaced it with that guy. With that guy. With that other guy. Yeah. Who might be from Party of Five. Or Scrubs. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

But he might not be. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. It's got a Scott Wolf vibe about him. He definitely does, but he's not Scott Wolf. He's not Wolf. Yeah. But I think the idea that it was the dad of the last guy,

Richie, was it? Yes. Jack. Quaid. He's from the boys, Jack Quaid, and his siblings. Like I didn't mind it, but it was okay. It's interesting the degree I've been thinking in these movies, the degree to which if your relative is revealed to be a murderous serial killer.

The scream. That you will snap and just also become a murderous serial killer. Indiscriminately. You aren't just like, oh, my. Well, it's in the zeitgeist. Yeah, it's absolutely in the zeitgeist. You're not like, oh, my son was revealed to be a murderous serial killer who slashed some people to bits.

Well, that's actually bad for me. I think I'll contemplate that for a while and think about how I could have been a better parent. You're like, no, no, I'll just be a big murderer as well. I think I'll contemplate that for a while and think about how I could have been a better parent. They're like, no, no, I'll just be a big murderer as well. I must get, I simply must get revenge. Like all three of these people are just like, hey, he's up. Maybe let's not all be screams. Let's not do it.

But they're like, no, let's all be screams. I think if you peel back the layers on the reasoning of why they did it, I guess like in the logic of the Scream universe it makes sense. Yeah. But in terms of the practicality of it, I don't really know because this guy, Dermot Mulroney from The Wedding Date and My Best Friend's Wedding and other wedding-related rom-coms from the 90s.

Absolutely. He was a cop whose son did some Scream murders and that's not why they wouldn't put him on this case. That's true. And he would be, I don't know. I just don't think that this, any of this. But do they know, do the police know that they're related? Well, I guess not.

And there's a moment where you think that the roommate dies, but actually scream dragged a body, a fake body of somebody else up the stairs. And I guess maybe she kept the body in her room until. One thing I would like to go, if I had more time, but I don't, because it's so many hours of movie, to go back and rewatch these. And figure out who killed who? Yeah.

The people have done it. You don't need to do that. No, I meant. Like which Scream. No, like Ghostface. Yeah. Did Ghostface kill him? No, I meant go back and rewatch and see when the scream killers

are mugging for the people around them or if they're mugging for the audience. I had that exact thought, yes. Because in Five, Richie is like in a room by himself watching the stab movies for research and then i think something happens and he's and you see him be like i'm surprised that this happening and it's like yeah i don't know if you should be surprised who are you reacting to are you assuming everybody's looking at you all the time yeah i mean for safety purposes maybe but there's often i again i wonder

how much of it you'd watch it and go oh this, this still holds up. Or if you would watch a character who's supposed to be, you know, we don't know they're the killer yet. Yeah. And are they reacting to stuff around them, you know, with surprise or. Yeah. Just for us. Well, exactly. Throw us off the scent.

I think, and I had this thought about the entire concept of wearing a mask in this. If you are going to lure someone in an alley and stab them, you don't need to dress as anything. That's true. And I guess the thought is that if they get away, then they don't see you. But I think often when they go in to do a big murder, they know they're going to do a big murder and they can just, I mean, they all take their masks off at the end anyway. These things are always revealed. So just the idea of wearing that mask in a lot of these situations. Like if you go to kill Courtney Cox, you can probably just do it. Sure.

You don't need to do the mask and the whole thing, you know? Yeah. But I guess you could also use a gun. You could also use a gun. Save a lot of time, honestly. And that's another reason. You have to source those weird knives. Where do you get them?

I've never seen one of those in real life. It's sort of like a filleting knife, but it's not. I don't know. Like a fishing knife maybe. I don't know. It's another reason why I thought it was one of the, like the original scream killer, one of them, is because it's an old mask.

Right, yeah, yeah. And he's, you know, again, it's like he's, and it is his mask. Like one of them is wearing his mask. That's true. Yeah. I think it is too protective of the characters though. There's a moment where one of the core four gets stabbed 100 times. So many times, yeah.

Yeah. And also Melissa, God, I forget her name. No, not Melissa McCarthy. Is it Melissa Barrera? Hang on, I'm going to go. Yeah, the lady. Yeah. In the previous one, she stabs Richie like 20 times.

Yeah. And then, I mean, she shoots him in the head, sure. But he wasn't coming back from the stabbings either. But in this, yeah, you're right. One of the core four is stabbed 100 times probably by two scream killers. Two screams. And he's left for dead and he gets no help from anybody. Yeah.

And he bleeds out while the remaining action takes place, which is probably 15 minutes. And then at the end they're like, oh, it's so sad everybody's dead. And then the paramedics are like, we've got a guy who's not dead. You didn't check on him? Yeah. Wow. I think they, because there was the complaint that they shouldn't have

killed Randy in the second one. I think that has bled over into these modern movies. Should they have killed Dewey in the last one? Yeah. Okay. I think they should have. Yeah. I think it's okay at this point.

Even though I think he is like a missing presence because I like him. Yeah. That gave that movie, and they even talk about this in the movie. Yeah. Very meta. They give it weight. Yeah. So, yes, Mason.

Yeah, I don't know. I think they're going to have to kill at least one If not more I think they'll kill one of the Corfo in the next one Okay They'll bring back Neve Campbell And they'll bring back Matthew Lillard Do you think Neve Campbell will die? No

Yeah Because I think they'll probably want to do the The Jamie What's her name? She's in the Halloween movies Jamie Lee Curtis Jamie Lee Curtis thing When she's grey and short haired

That's right, yes Or living in a weird Or grey and long haired Grey and long long hair that's cool that's what she did yeah yeah true uh yeah you're right yeah uh so yeah one of which one of the core i probably the you know what i reckon it'll be the one who knows all the law because they killed randy that's true well they're both nephews uh nephew and niece of the the law and that works well, doesn't it? That's some sort of parallel. Yeah. Well, I love parallels. I love parallel thoughts.

How do you feel about Skeet Ulrich as the presence inside our main character's head? I don't know what they're doing with that de-aging thing anymore, but they need to fix that. Are they even de-aging him? No. Yeah, that's what I thought. They've just given him a 90s boy band wig.

And a thick coat of paint. But you can, that's a pretty, on a reflective surface, with a deep fake, I don't think that's an expensive effect to pull off. Probably not, yeah. Yeah, anyway. Yeah, whatever. Okay, great. Yeah.

Well, see, it's interesting, though, because I feel like he, in her head, seems to be more of a force for good than anything. Yeah, well, it's not him. She doesn't know him. That's see, it's interesting, though, because I feel like he, in her head, seems to be more of a force for good than anything. Yeah, well, it's not him. She doesn't know him. That's true, yeah, you're right. It's not him at all. But I think it's odd that he's like,

get on you, slugger, get out of here. Yeah, she's got like a subconscious. No, I know, but shouldn't he be evil? No, because it's like the version that wants her to do murders and survive. Okay, I guess. It doesn't want her to die, because if she dies, he dies. No, I know that, but I feel like he should be, I don't know, I feel like if he's supposed to be the spirit of Billy Loomis in some way,

shouldn't he be like, you should kill that guy? You should kill just that rando. What about that? Yeah. What do you think about that? I don't know. I think they've leaned too far into like, so it feels like a retconning of that character.

Yeah, sure. Like, well, actually he's all about vigilante justice and getting revenge or whatever. Yeah. But he was just a murderer. But again, that's her. That's true. Anyway, Kittredge, what are you doing?

Yes. The worst psychologist. That's good. Terrible. Get out of here, Kittredge. Get out of here. Does he have grey hair in real life and they've coloured it in for Mission Impossible, new Mission Impossible?

Oh, my goodness. Or have they greyed him out? Henry Cazerny. Henry Cazerny. Mission Impossible, one cast, because I can't spell that, because you didn't say it right. Cazerny. Yeah, he'd be like at least 60.

He's greyish. Okay, right. Oh, no, he's a bit darker in this one. Not bad. I, he'd be like at least 60. He's greyish. Okay, right. Oh, no, he's a bit darker in this one. Not bad. I don't know what to make of this. It took me a while to figure out who it was because he had a beard. Yeah, he looks like James Cameron now. Yeah.

So, yeah, he's mostly greyish. Cool stuff, Mason. Very much so. Yeah, all in all, scream away. I like the bit where they did the double knife clean. Sure. That was great. Love that. That's good stuff. Second movie. Yes, please. Time for

65 Dinosaurs. I did count them. It is 65. There are 65 dinosaurs in this movie. That's terrific. It's not true. You're in the cinema. Everybody shush. Shut up. You're making me lose count. Is that the dinosaur from earlier or is that a different dinosaur? They have different hats on.

I'm going to say there's 65 dinosaurs. I'm a liar. I'm a big liar. Budget of $45 million. Box office probably around $11 million. Not a great opening. But it could make this back. I feel like there could be enough goodwill in this okay movie.

Interesting. To carry it. And I think it'll probably do better on streaming. I think the, okay, I think, tell me what the story is and then we'll talk about it. So anyway, they just lay it out on the table. It's not a trick. No.

It's not some sort of time thing. I saw a few articles that are like Adam Driver revealed the big twist and it's like it's not time travel. That's in the trailer. I know that. Okay, so 65 million years ago humanity didn't exist but there are human-like aliens out there, one of which is Adam Driver. Adam Driver is from planet no universal healthcare,

so he has to be a space bus driver. Seems that way, yeah. For frozen people. That's right. Well, maybe he's more be a space bus driver. Seems that way, yeah. For frozen people. That's right. Well, maybe he's more like a space Mr. Whippy man. He might be. Yeah. Yeah.

He has a particular set of skills. Folks, Mr. Whippy is an ice cream truck in Australia. It's not a sex thing. It's probably also a sex thing. It might also be a sex thing. Yeah. Anyway, he has to truck some frozen people across the galaxy maybe. It's going to take them a couple of years.

But, I mean, they're alien years. They have years. Maybe it's two weeks. Maybe it's one day. They have kilometres and they have years. And guns. They have guns. They have guns with a little ammunition counter on the side.

They have backpacks. Probably an inconvenient place to have an ammunition counter. They have great haircuts. They do. Yeah. They have balls that blow up. They're backpacks. Probably an inconvenient place to have an ammunition counter. They have great haircuts. They do. Yeah. They have balls that blow up. They have the English language. That's right.

Yeah. Anyway, he's flying his ship through the space, and then he encounters some unexpected asteroids, and they hit the ship. And he crashes the ship into the planet, and he finds a little girl survivor. Yep. And they're like, we're going to get to the skatepods.

There's skatepods over there. We're going to get to them. He says to her, do you remember the road? Do you remember the Mandalorian? Do you remember the last of us? That's right. This is a situation where I'm a dad and I'm going to get you somewhere. You're my Grogu.

Get it? You're Grogu. Now jump on. That's right. Yeah. Do a little run. Get it? Your Grogu. Now jump on. That's right. Yeah. I'll do a little run. Anyway, there's dinosaurs, though, so you've got to watch out for that, don't you? You do because it's Earth.

Okay. So before we get into that, so you've been saying to me in the past, and I'm sure you've said it on this podcast, that you don't like the idea that the Jurassic franchise has a lock on dinosaurs in movies. Nobody puts dinosaurs in movies anymore because people are like, oh, it's just Jurassic Park. Yeah, I know there's knockoffs and whatever.

There's Velocipasta and dino fights or whatever. Velocipasta, but it's the other kind of pasta. Yeah, and there's Godzilla, et cetera. And I know there's also wonderful documentaries, et cetera. But, yeah, the idea of like an action dinosaur big budget franchise has been largely unexplored. That's so true. Not totally, but for the most part.

You know, King Kong, et cetera. We see bits and pieces of it. So the idea of this to me is very exciting. I love like the cast of this. I love the concept. I love the aesthetic. I love the way it's shot. I love the way that it's 93 minutes or whatever.

Yes. But it just doesn't, there's a lot of like these parts, they're trying to get together. It's interesting. And I feel like it's, I just wish it was great. And it's not great. It's fine. I just wish it was great, Mason.

Would you suggest that it is pretty formulaic, even though it is... Which is... That's fine. All I was going to say, so, like, I saw some people on the internet recently having a big old moan about how, like, how can Top Gun Maverick be in the running for best screenplay at the Oscars because it's just a bloody action movie, isn't it? Because it's the best version of that.

That's what I'm saying, right? So I think there is value in formulaic if it's an interesting setting i think you can kind of get away with i was with like top gun um like i knew exactly what it was and it delivered it like pitch perfectly but i think you're absolutely right in the sense that this movie it was there were there were moments in it that were shocking but they were not they were nothing about it was there were there were moments in it that were shocking but they were not they were nothing about it was surprising i think yeah it had every like action beat you'd expect from a a mandalorian or just at the road or like you know every at every given moment leading up to the finale i'm like well obviously this is going to happen yeah and then there's going to be a turn here and then it's going to come back full circle chekhovhov's acid blowhole. Exactly. That's all happening.

But I thought generally speaking, you're right, I like the casting. I like the relationship between the dad and the kid. It might even be an editing or budgeting situation. Okay. Because I think there's some moments where like they relate to them in scenes which I think aren't necessarily in the right order. Okay. Like he warms too quickly and then he cools off immediately and then it comes back and then he's like, you're my daughter.

And it's just kind of. Yeah, right, right, right. And on top of that, and this is probably more of a budgeting thing, it's kind of dino-lite as opposed to dino-mite. That one I wrote down. Nice, I love that. And I think also in terms of like. You're a real dino-fatale.

Thank you. There's moments where, you know, like they're pursued by various dinosaurs. Flame fatale? Yeah. If you imagine one of those spitting dinosaurs. Spits like that. But I say the dino, to me the dino light felt effective. Yes, but I think, I don't think the scenes in between,

because the original Jurassic Park is very dino light. That's true. But the scenes in between, because the original Jurassic Park is very dino-lite. That's true. But the scenes in between didn't. But it's also dino-lite. That's true. I came up with that. That's great. But the scenes in between aren't interesting enough.

Right. It had me going, when's the next thing going to happen? Right, okay. And so I think that maybe they should have had, so it's Adam Driver and Ariana Greenblatt, who's little Gamora. Oh, yeah, right. I had to look that up. And maybe she doesn't speak English, whatever the alien version of this is.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe have that. You're not speaking alien English. Come on. I don't understand. My translator's not working. Elingish. Nice.

Yeah, so there was kind of that disconnect, and I guess there was an idea of, well, they're going to form this bond that's stronger than language. I'll tell you what I like, James. I liked the fact that the dinosaurs were scarier than Jurassic Park dinosaurs have been in years. Yes, I'd agree with that. I felt like there were just moments where you'll see early on

a little dinosaur attacks Adam Driver, and it comes out of nowhere, and he's struggling with this thing. He doesn't know what the heck it is. Yeah. And it feels so different from, you know, especially the later Jurassic World movies where people just see little dinosaurs, and they're like, whatever, I don't care. At the end of the last Jurassic World, they're at the Lincoln Monument or whatever the fuck. Yes. And Sam Neill's like, shit, there's little dinosaurs here now. I don't think I'll ever get used to this.

Right. Anyways. Everybody else has. I'm the only person who hasn't gotten used to it. Those little kids over there, they're used to it. They don't care. It's like seeing pigeons. That little kid's kicking those little dinosaurs.

Yeah, I thought the dinosaurs were effectively scary. In my mind, I felt like the fact that they were sparing was quite effective. Yes, I understand that. But, again, it's the in-between stuff. And I also, there was a moment where I'm like maybe this movie is missing like the majesty of seeing a dinosaur. Right.

Because a lot of the best Jurassic Park scenes are, it's really just the first one where you see a dinosaur, you go through a big gate and you're experiencing things that you've never experienced before and there's the terror but there's a lot of like wonder and awe. James, there aren't any big gates in 65 million years. No, I understand that. You mean the ship.

The ship had a big gate on it, didn't it? But then I don't think that's a valid criticism or even relevant to this movie because the angle here, like you mentioned, is he's never seen anything like this. To him, they're monsters. And so he's dumped on this planet. He's got no frame of reference for any of this shit. It's just horrible whatevers attacking him.

He doesn't, like, for us, if we were in this situation, I mean, we wouldn't survive, obviously, but you'd be like. I'd survive. But you'd be like. I'd thrive. I'd flourish. Oh, that reminds me. In Scream, I'd simply defeat Ghostface, I think.

Okay. What would happen, I think, is he would attack me with a knife and I would easily dodge the knife and then I would counterattack in a way that, you know, incapacitates him. And that would be the first scene of the movie. Yes, precisely, yeah. And then you'd demask them and say. That's right, yeah.

I would simply do that. You're embarrassing. Because what I think happens a lot of the time is they incapacitate Ghostface and then they run away because they're scared and I simply wouldn't be scared or raffled in any way and I'd just unmask them. That's great. Yeah, yeah.

And I think the same rule applies to this. I would simply defeat the dinosaurs in a debate, in a reasoned debate. That's an invitation if you're out there and you're looking for someone to do a big scream on. Mason's probably the perfect target. Ah, yes. Yeah, so like us or a person from Earth in this universe has an idea of what this is. Yes. Yeah, so like us or a person from Earth in this universe has an idea of what this is. Yes.

Even if obviously we've never experienced dinosaurs in real life, you kind of have a rough idea of how something like this might go. This is like a horrible, violent, alien situation. It's like xenomorphs to him. It's like whatever, you know. Anyway, sorry, go on. Well, I was going to say relating to something you said earlier about the development of the character and where, you know anyway sorry go on well i was gonna say um relating to something you said earlier about the development of the character and where you know sometimes he he the kid is his child and

sometimes he hates the kid or whatever it is i feel like there was no there was no room for character development with the character it's not like he was a deadbeat dad no i think i mean you know not to say that it has to go this way, but I feel like perhaps it would have been a more effective character arc if he'd gone into this adventure as kind of a deadbeat dad. He has to do this or maybe he's away all the time and the kid misses him all the time. And then he learns the value of spending time with the kid. And then at the end, I don't know,

he brings the kid with him and your family or something. Yeah, he's got two kids or whatever. I don't know. But in this he's a good dad and he just has to take on another kid in this alien environment. And boy, does he. Yeah. Here's something I like about it.

I think aesthetically it's great. I love all the kind of alien-ish designs for things. I mean it seems like a bunch of like kit-bashed's great. I love all the kind of alien-ish designs for things. I mean, it seems like a bunch of, like, kit-bashed crap, which I love also, you know. It's like with Star Wars, it's like, well, that's a whatever. You can definitely see elements. He's wearing a backpack and you're like, that's sort of familiar and yet alien at the same time.

He bought that at Crompler. He did. But I think there's also, like, a really good amount of, like, wet. That's a Jansport backpack. There's a good amount of, like wet. That's a Jan Sport backpack. There's a good amount of like wetness. Car heart backpack. I don't have any more. School backpack.

School standard school backpack. He's wearing those big bulbous school shoes. He's come from school. There's a good amount of like wetness and grime in the universe. This is clearly to cut down on budget. I guess it's to cut down on budget. This is all real locations, it seems for the most part. There's obviously some moments where that's not the case,

but, you know, they're trekking through a real forest. That's true. Or it feels like a real cave even though it wouldn't be. It's like a heavy kind of mist over everything a lot of the time, you know, which I enjoyed about it. Yeah, I mean it would be a more humid environment back in the day. When there's 65 dinosaurs around. Back in 1965 when they assumed this was set.

I think another point of a mist that I didn't love is there's kind of a, there's like a showdown at the end but it felt kind of almost random. Yeah, okay, right. I think there should have been maybe a through line of like one particular enemy that he had faced and it's sort of that but it's not. Yeah, right. Look, we'll do some spoilers.

I think it's best movie ever but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed. Well, see, that's the thing. Considering who's in it, who directed it. Who did direct it? Some of the guys who did some Quiet Place writing and stuff. Oh, okay, that's the thing. Considering who's in it, who directed it. Who did direct it? Some of the guys who did some Quiet Place writing and stuff. Oh, okay, right. I'm going to say Best Movie Ever as well,

but I think I liked it more than you did because I think you had more. I feel like in the weeks leading up to this. I was pretty hyped. Yeah, in the weeks leading up to this, you were definitely very hyped. Scott Beck and Brian Woods. I feel like some weeks we wouldn't do two movies, but I think you were so hyped for 65 you're like, we're going to get this in.

No, I'm glad we talked about it. I'm not sad, Mason. I'm happy. But I'm also happy that this movie cycle, this month has some movies in it that aren't franchise based. Yeah. I mean Scream 6 is obviously. Dungeons and Dragons.

Mm-hmm. Shazam. Yeah, none of these, Mason. None of these. These are is obviously. Dungeons and Dragons. Mm-hmm. Shazam. Yeah, none of these, mate. None of these. These are all non-franchise movies. All right, one of these is a non-franchise movie. I'm grasping at straws, all right, and it's not doing well. No, I agree with that.

And again, in concept, great. Yeah. I'd love to see another one. Don't know if they can. Yeah. We'll talk about why. Spoilers. There's a big comet uh

it's the comet that wipes out the dinosaurs that's right hayley's comet he arrives the day before and uh i don't think necessary to have that it's the big comet is coming i like that a lot i thought that was great because it's like you don't need a reason to leave no that's true because there is a reason it's a horrible fucking place. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's big bugs and weird caves. But I love that, again, if you think of this as like a schlocky kind of 80s movie, I felt like that was very appropriate. I'm like, yes, that is a perfect ticking clock.

Because I feel also, I feel like. It could have been a power source. It could have been the ship is coming to pick him up and whatever. And it's only doing one lap. It's doing one lap. Couldn't see him. Had to get to the signal before whatever. I don't fucking know.

The space bus was coming. The second space bus. And it makes for a literal explosive finale. Hell yeah. But no, I didn't. I don't know. I guess in terms of like schlock, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I don't know. I think if it was maybe sillier then even. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. More of a swashbuckling adventure. I don't know. I think it was maybe sillier then even. I don't know. More of a swashbuckling adventure. I don't know. I don't even know if that's true. I don't even know what I'm trying to say.

Anyway, his daughter died. He's from planet no universal healthcare is mentioned. He has to do a big space mission. That's right. And to save his daughter, but she dies regardless. And they reveal that pretty early on. But I don't know whether they maybe should have. They probably should have saved it for a later point.

Yeah, I wondered that as well. I felt even there was a moment there before that revelation sort of solidified. I'm like, is this a dream sequence? Is this his fears that she will die? Because I was like, how is he getting these messages? It was quite vague in terms of how long this trip was. It was supposed to take two years.

And he's at the halfway point. But then he organises an emergency beacon and then the rescue ship is going to be there almost immediately. Where was that ship? I guess it's like a transport space laneway. I assume. That's Splaneway. That's Splaneway, thank you.

So there's a moment where they're in a cave and there's a big dinosaur there. Oh, yes. And he goes, boo. Nice. And he goes, ah. And they run into the cave and then they fight a different dinosaur that goes, boo. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

But before they go in, he shoots the dinosaur in the eye. And then later. Yes. They're trying to launch the ship, but it's upside down. Uh-huh. And they have to fight two dinosaurs. That's right. And I was like, wow.

This is the dinosaur from earlier. Wow, you said. I said, wow. This is the dinosaur from earlier and it's brought a mate. That's right. Because they're mates. Yeah, yeah. Anyway.

His mate's rough as guts. He's even rougher. They killed those ones. Then a third dinosaur shows up. It turns out this other one was the one from earlier. And it just felt like I think maybe you could have dedicated time to making this the one because I liked also it was like a big runny one and it was going to run on its front hands and whatever.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Claws. And then it leads it into an acid pit and it gets sprayed once and that's fine and then it gets sprayed in the face and it acids its face right off. But even that, like she jumps forward and stabs it with the whatever. Like that was all good and that's why I think I wish they'd have focused on maybe that

dinosaur more as like a nemesis. And which is kind of like the Spinosaurus I guess in Jurassic Park 3. Maybe that's why they didn't do it. And they should have. So yeah, you know. I reckon maybe it was a logistical thing like okay well we need

one dinosaur to tip the escape pod back around and we need another dinosaur to do this and that. Yeah, that dinosaur. Probably made sense in the production side. I'm sure when they were thinking about it, it made sense at the time. Also, three dinosaurs is spookier than one dinosaur. No. Whoa.

Because also they clearly built that model for the daytime as well. So it could be shown in darkness and in light, whereas the other two were like wet and in the rain, which is fine. But why not focus on that one and then a bunch of little dinosaurs? That's true. And maybe a triceratops. Because sometimes life doesn't work out that way, James. I liked how they pulled that dinosaur out of the muck

and then it got eaten straight away. I like that too, yeah. That's the kind of grossness I can get behind. More of that, please. Anyway, can they do a sequel to this? Because the comet hit the earth and at the end there was a montage of how cities arrived. That's right, yeah.

I thought that was quite a little novel credits sequence. It wasn't like what's coming next. It's just like. It should have been, the credits should have ended with modern day earth and then another one of those Adam Driver's alien spaceships coming down and Adam Driver's in it and he's like, I'm back for revenge. I'm still around because of time dilation, I think.

I lived for a million years. 65 million years. That's right. Yeah. Anyway, capitalism fucked him up, didn't it? That's true. That is undeniable. Whatever they have in space.

Spapitalism. Spapitalism. Which is space capitalism. It felt like that seems. James, I think the listeners know at this point what we're doing. What's that? Putting things together. Yes, that's right.

Everybody's. This could be someone's first portmanteau, Mason. I think also. Your first what? Portmanteau. Okay. What did I say? I guess that's close enough. What is it? Portmanteau Okay. What did I say? I guess that's close enough.

What is it? Port Manto. Oh, did I say Port Mando? Yeah. You're thinking of Mando. I always knew I just said it wrong twice in a row. Nice. Nice.

Yeah, I think also the scene at the start on the beach felt like an extra bit tacked on. Yeah, right. Because then I think you could have started with the ship open there. Right, right. As opposed to like, your daughter's sick and we don't have healthcare, but if you do this trip, it'll only be two years and it's an easy scene to film. You take it to a beach, you change the colour of the sky to pink.

It's true, yeah. It's easy done. Yeah, yeah. Whereas I don't know that was necessary. That's information you could have. Could have done that down at Port Ferry. Could have done it at Port Ferry, could have done it at the beach. That's right.

But you could have done that. Could have done it at Williamstown Beach. Could have done it at Williamstown Beach. But you could have done that. Could have done a Williamstown beach. Could have done a Williamstown beach. You could, there's, the coast of Australia, East Coast in particular, there's a beautiful beach. You could do it near the 12 apostles. And you could be like, those are alien things, apostles. And there's only seven because five of them fell in the water.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we count things differently on this planet. Certainly do. Yeah. Yeah, seven is 12. That's right, yeah. But I think that's information that could have been revealed in a better way through like memories and journal logs

and messages throughout the movie. A series of audio logs that he finds over the course of his mission. Exactly. That have been scattered throughout the wilderness. Because of the ship crash. Because of the ship crash. Thank you. Yeah.

You understand me, Mason. Because of the ship crash. Because of the ship crash. Thank you. You understand me, Mason. All of the frozen people could have left various audio logs and we could have learned about their lives and their quirks, you know? We certainly could. Boy, the food on this ship isn't too good.

Plus I can't eat it because I'm cryogenically frozen. I'm frozen. They didn't freeze my mouth though. I'm going to run it all day. In a way, I'm like a bloody frozen dinner, aren't I? Boop. Hey, Adam. Did you hear me?

Put a strawberry in my mouth. Space strawberry. Nice. All right. Next segment of the show. Yeah, it's called What We Readin' Whoa What We Gonna Read

Whoa Yes I'm doing a thing What are we reading today Mason it's episode 469 Nice

That's right and this is where we talk about things we're going to watch, read, listen to or have. 469s. I guess it is. Or 469.

Like how many is that? I don't know. I don't want to think about it. Yuck. Mason. Yes. What do you, what's up? Tomorrow I'm going to watch nine episodes as the last of us.

Because we might do a. We might do a video on it. Yeah. Now, colleagues, if you're hearing this, you don't have to edit that video. I'll make it an audio YouTube video. You don't have- We might do a video on it. Yeah. Now, colleagues, if you're hearing this, you don't have to edit that video. I'll make it an audio YouTube video. You don't have to worry about that if we do it. Yeah, yeah.

You don't have to watch nine because tomorrow I'm also going to watch, which is today, Dungeons & Dragons. It's not today. Oh, it is. It will be, yeah. Okay, terrific. Dungeons & Dragons is doing screenings for like one session. Yeah.

And it's out in two weeks. And this is happening the world over, so you might be able to see it. And apparently it's great. People are saying it's pretty good. And who knows what that means. Right. But the fact that they screened it this early and they're letting the public see it is a very good sign.

They have some confidence. As we've mentioned previously on this podcast, the most accurate representation at least of the movie studio's opinion of a movie is how early the media screens are. How far in advance the media screening is before the general release. Yeah. Because sometimes we will be offered tickets to a movie like advance. Here's your media tickets and it's the day before the general release

or the day of sometimes and it's like, oh movie's bad yeah and not always that's not always the case sometimes it's to stop spoilers or whatever but uh yeah and the fact that they're letting like people see it makes me also think that they think it's good at the very least and that word will get around in the general public because people don't like critics, and I've experienced that. Uh-oh. Some people tell me that I'm dumb. That's why we call ourselves cultural commentators now. That's right.

We're very la-di-da about it. So la-di-da about it. Anyway, as two people who have watched the original Dungeons & Dragons movie recently for content. That's right. Oh, man, I would love a good version of that. It'd be nice, right? Jesus Christ.

Currently on Rotten Tomatoes, the most accurate aggregator. 100%. No, 92% currently. Oh! It's gone down. 13 reviews, 92%. That's still good. Still fresh.

Still certified fresh. I'd take a 50% good Dungeons & Dragons movie, Mason. That's right. As opposed to a zero. Yep. Yeah, terrific. The other thing is, I've clearly been away for the weekend, so I haven't had a chance to play it yet,

but I've downloaded the Resident Evil 4 demo because I hope to get this game if it's good. I've played it many, the original, multiple times, including recently I got on the Switch again and went... Have they modified the controls? Yes, the whole thing has been rebuilt. Okay, I mean for the one you played on Switch. No.

Okay, there's still... I mean they modified it for modern consoles, but it's still basically the same. Okay, right, right, right. I think you can tweak it, whatever. So I'm looking forward to seeing how that plays. It's the bit where you first go into the village and there's Chainsaw Bagface Man.

Oh, yeah, I remember Chainsaw Joe. Yeah. So I'm really interested in checking out two things I haven't yet this week. That's exciting. And then I think next week is Shazam, isn't it? I think it might be, yeah. And that's also screened and people say it's good. So, but again, early days, et cetera, we'll see and so forth.

Cinema is back, baby. Cinema is back and it'll never stop. But that's not even true because everything might go to streaming one day, Mason. And that's the dream, to stay at home. Yeah, Shazam's out this week. Shazam 2. Terrific.

Yeah, I hope so. We're going to talk about that next week then. We will. Anything else or should we move it online? Are we going to talk about that next week then? We will. Anything else or should we move it along? I'm trying to think of anything I haven't allowed. Oh, we've got to recommend a comic Kickstarter thing. Oh, yeah, of course, yeah. We nearly forgot.

So a friend of the show, Chris, who does a great YouTube channel called Comic Tropes, we've mentioned it before on the podcast. Love it. It's like when we sort of half remember an old comic book storyline or a comic book creator of the past or something like that, except he whole remembers. He whole remembers the whole thing and he's got receipts and everything. That's delightful.

He's got some personal anecdotes that also are very relevant, like he might know a creator involved or interview a creator as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One I would recommend, I might have recommended it before, but I'll recommend it again. It's about the history of the Hobgoblin, which was the successor to the Green Goblin in the Marvel comics. It was a character who had a secret origin and a secret identity

that was going to be revealed in the future, but due to various pieces of office politics and backstabbing, the identity of reveal kept changing and sort of behind the scenes until it was like the last available option that made no sense and then it got retconned decades later it's really interesting so people check that out but speaking of chris from comic tropes he also yeah uh is an illustrator a comic book illustrator and um he has a second channel called pros and cons which i don't know if you've watched but uh he'll talk about the news of the week and while he's doing that he'll be on a tablet

or an art board and he'll be doing some art he'll be on a tablet or an art board. A tableau. He'll be doing some art. He'll be doing some penciling or inking or something like that. He'll pick a character. Maybe it's relevant to the week. Maybe it'll be Morbius, who's always relevant, and he'll do some work on that, and that's very interesting.

But he has been – he's drawn a Vampirella cover. So there's a new Vampirella series coming out, Vampirella, of course, He's drawn a Vampirella cover. So there's a new Vampirella series coming out, Vampirella, of course, being kind of the cheesecake lady vampire from the planet of Draculon. Perfect. He's done a cover for it, and it is a classic tropey cover in that it's a sort of a Crisis on Infinite Earths,

Superman holding Supergirl cover, except it's Vampirella being held aloft by a gorilla because that is the classic. That's how they used to do it. Yeah, I'm sure there's a video Chris would have about how the comic book industry discovered that sales went up if they put a gorilla on the cover. That's right, yeah.

So he's done exactly that. So it's part of a Kickstarter campaign if you want to get that extra special comic tropes cover. I do. You can follow the link, which is probably in our episode description. Oh, very good. It will be in there. Thank you so much.

So, yeah, that's well worth checking out and just channels in general. Also, people might find this story fascinating, and I watched it a few weeks back. He was one of the real-life superheroes. That's right. And he would, like, put on a costume and go out and not to beat up people. Yeah. But, like, you do good and, like like nice things for people that's right and help people who are in need and like

provide food for the homeless and he's got some really interesting stories about the also the kind of characters that that yeah attracts did he meet that guy you know that guy yeah the one that gets all the press that guy guy, and then it turned out he had some issues, some serious issues. I'm not talking about issues of a comic book. No. It's very odd. There's a lot of like the people that he talks about are great and good people, but then there's like maybe there's some racists here too

and et cetera. Anyway, that's his story and he has told it and it's fascinating. So check out that channel. Check out that Kickstarter, I think. Really cool stuff. Yes. Mason, I think it's letters time. It's time for letters.

Ow. Classic one was letters. Who was that? Was that Tim Allen? That was Big Ears Batman. No, it wasn't. He wouldn't be surprised in that matter. Don't you wish.

We're going to do letters. The legacy of Big Ears Batman, who I'd forgotten about until you mentioned it moments ago. Anyway, letters are here. If you want to get... What are you doing with letters? If you want to get in there with some letters, email us at weeklyplanetpod at gmail.com.

I do. Or find us on Twitter, hashtag weeklyplanetpod, and we'll find it. I think that's great. We'll find it all right. It's great. I'll bloody find it all right. I'll tell you that much. It's actually very respectful what you've done there. It's very respectful.

So what we've got here for this week for letters is our letters, and I've got one. Do you have one? I've got two. I've got three. No, you don't. I do. Good.

That's great. I'm very happy for that. It's delightful. Thank you. I appreciate it. Why don't you kick it off? All right, so this is from Ian Walker, and we've got a few people who sent this to us.

It says, Red Dwarf episode confirmed. I'm going to put this in the big news, but nobody actually likes Red Dwarf. It's just us. It's just us. Also, preemptively, this counts as our Red Dwarf episode. Yeah, that's right. Our Red Dwarf episode. But it can only count as one thing.

It can't be your one bit of news. Oh, no. That's two times, Mason. Oh, no. I don't actually care, though. I know you don't is the um i want to see what you veto is what i want really you should give me infinite vetoes if we if i give you infinite vetoes we have zero podcasts what happens there because you'll be like here's the news and i'll be like here's a funny's not. I veto it. We get through the news and then I'm going to bed. 14-minute show.

So this was the official announcement. So do you want to talk about the background of Red Dwarf? Oh, here comes the Red Dwarf episode. Here we go. Well, so Red Dwarf, the TV series was created by two guys, Rob Grant and Doug Naylor. Correct. And they presented themselves sort of through the press as one entity, as Grant Naylor.

Yeah. And basically they made the first six. It was like Tommy Hilfiger. Like Tommy Hilfiger. Who might be just one guy. It is just one guy, yeah. You picked the worst example. Okay, I'll give you another example.

Britney Spears. Yes, that's right. Great. Britney and a big pile of spears. Cheryl Crow. Cheryl Crow is a woman and then a creature of the sky. Yes, yes. Just one. Just one crow. Her name's not Cheryl

Crow. I'm sorry, I'm an idiot. Anyway, you pull through pull Morgan Stanley yes yes Turner Hooch anyway go on sorry oh okay right oh yeah Red Dwarf so they created the first i believe six seasons of the tv series together and two novels uh and then their partnership broke down in some way now i don't know the details there i assumed assumed that they just were like, let's go our separate ways. It seemed that way initially. But it seems there's some sort of legal issue here.

Yeah. And so one of them, they both wrote separate books. They did, yeah. So if you read the original Red Dwarf novel, it separates into two timelines. Yes. And they take different time dimensional. One's better than the other, but they're both okay from memory.

I didn't mind either. Neither of them is as good as the first two. I would agree with that. And some would also say that the show has never really recovered since they kind of parted ways. Some might say that, sure. Which I think there has been some good stuff in there since, even the more recent stuff.

But one of them has been involved and one of them hasn't. Yes, right. And I thought that was just because one didn't want to do it, but it seems that might be just a legal thing, right? Yeah, right, right. So anyway, go on. Well, that's all I have. That's all, yeah.

So basically their partnership fell apart. Anyway, so now Rob Grant and Doug Naylor are delighted to announce that the ongoing dispute over the Red Dwarf rights have been resolved. Moving onwards and upwards, Rob and Doug hope to launch separate iterations of Red Dwarf across various media, working again with the cast and other valued partners, and wish each other the very best. Smoke me a kipper. Red Dwarf will be back for breakfast.

Okay, here's the thing. Yes. What a fucking wild decision to arrive at. Right? Not to make something together. But separately. I mean, god damn. This is like divorced parents asking the cast,

their children to pick which one they want to live with. Are they going to go to the core cast and be like, well, we're going to be filming this show on this day and the other guy's going to be filming on the same day, so you've got to pick one. Yes. Are they going to do? Well, Danny John Jules. Who plays Cass. Who's very active on Twitter, who under this, same day so you gotta pick one yes are they gonna do i think well danny john jules who plays cat uh

who's on he's very active on twitter who under the under this like was just like arguing or just talking to people about the show in general like some people like i don't think it's very good anymore and he's like well i don't think you're very good or whatever it's his right to do that he's classic cat yeah very catty yeah uh also he's probably an old man now isn't he yeah he's 62 does this mean they're gonna be is, is this going to be a reboot? That's what I'm saying. So like. Live service game.

Separate movies. What does this look like? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if this is going to, I don't know if this is going to have legs, you know. Well, it's survived so far. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, if I had to guess, I would say reboot. Yeah. Or we do. I hope not if I had to guess, I would say reboot. Yeah. Or we do. I hope not, but maybe, yeah. I mean, the fact that the core cast kept doing the series would maybe suggest that they were, if they were on the side of one creator, it's the one that keeps doing the show. Maybe you just want a job, man.

Maybe you just want a job, yeah. Do people like it? I mean, bloody, Chris Barry doesn't need the job. He did The British Empire, James. He did do the British Empire and he was in at least one Tomb Raider movie. That's right. That's right. Yeah.

And Crichton got to do the American reboot. That's right, yeah. Yeah. Maybe one guy is going to keep on going with this version and the other guy is going to do a reboot. Yeah, maybe. Maybe they're going to take a crack at another American version. Yeah.

Maybe. Yeah. I mean, I hope. Maybe they've picked Turfs. Maybe one guy's like, I'm staying in England, you can go to America. Well, another guy's like, well, I pick J.K. Rowling if we're picking Turfs. Oh! Now that's catty.

Yeah, that's catty stuff. Nice. So there you go. That's our Red Dwarf episode. That's right.. Yeah, that's catty stuff. Nice. So there you go. That's our Red Dwarf episode. That's right. You're welcome. And that will be the end of it. Someone one day will edit all these together.

If people out there have any ideas of what it might be, maybe somebody's got some insider information, or you just want to guess. If you actually know, that would be great also. That would be actually great. But I'm always up for more. Like I've watched every single thing. I think I've read all the books. I know a lot of it isn't great, but would be great also. That would be actually great. But I'm always up for more. Like I've watched every single thing. I think I've read all the books.

I know a lot of it isn't great, but I will not stop. Red Dwarf point and click adventure game. Yep. I would love that. Yep. What else would you love? Yep. Sorry, my mum just messaged me about Easter.

Video game? Just said that. Does it lend itself? I mean, point and click maybe. I just think I just want to see where it goes. Maybe at this point, because they're getting old, maybe you could do a reboot, separate timeline reboot, whatever. I know it's probably not a great idea.

Because I'm several seasons behind. Do they lean into like present day sci-fi tropes or something like that? A little bit, but not as much. What if they did like a Star Trek what if they did like a star trek kelvin timeline yeah yeah absolutely you get a reboot team yeah what you could do is you get you could have a a reboot like a timeline with a new younger cast yeah and you could keep some whoever wants to stay on yeah there's some sort of maybe some sort of time slip incident or a time slide incident sure yeah and then maybe some of the old cast stay on and some of the new cast stay on.

I think it's also the idea that they're still kind of doing the same thing. Like there's definitely points where they change characters, they mature, like Lister, you know, he has a love interest at a point, Rimmer seemingly gets better at times, Crichton's personality evolves and whatever. But I don't think they're doing that as much anymore. It Crichton's personality evolves and whatever. Yeah. But I don't think they're doing that as much anymore. It's just we're stuck in space again.

Yeah. And I just think it needs to move forward in some way. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even if it definitively ends. I don't know. I mean, the thing, though, is I feel like the first, especially maybe like the first two or three seasons.

Yeah. Were, it wasn't really about the plot. It was really that kind of weird situation. The weird situation and the odd, you know, the two odd men out kind of buddy comedy kind of thing. Yeah. Maybe go back to that? Yeah, maybe.

I mean that's I think what a lot of the new stuff is but it's also weird because they're all 60. That's true, yes. So I don't know, which is why I think maybe, yeah, that reboot is not a bad idea because you can go back to the basics, whereas the 60-year-olds are still doing like, just eating a vindaloo and having a laugh. Oh, wouldn't mind a vindaloo right now.

Anyway, what else, Mason? Okay, here's an email. I love email. I know, me too. I love them more than you, I think. Do you? Yeah. That's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is from Anthony. Yeah. Hey know, me too. I love them more than you, I think. Do you? Yeah. That's great.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is from Anthony. Yeah. Hey, James and Mason. And little James if he's still alive. Canonically, he is still alive. He's still alive. We don't know where he is.

That's right. Yeah. It's a position you don't want to be in. Yeah. I did see him fashioning a little scream mask. No. I don't know. You said you'd survive.

What do you care? It would just be some time out of my day, you know? That's true. You said you'd survive. What do you care? It would just be some time out of my day, you know. That's true. What if he gets you at like a stop sign or something? That would be bad. It's like when a spider gets into your car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. Anyway, go on. Find like an envelope or something and

slap him around with it. Anthony says, I've been a big fan of the channel and podcast for so many years that you guys usually make my top 10 list of best friends. Thank you. You're very welcome. Sometimes I wonder why I'm interested in films, but then I realized my father worked as set decorator on films

from the mid-90s up until the early teens. No way. Such classics as Bad Boys 2, Year One, and my favorite, The Losers. Oh, my goodness. Having a peek behind the curtain at a young age sometimes affected the viewing of certain films. Yeah i guess it would i think this is a hypothetical question but i think it's interesting how do you navigate watching a movie for what it is while having the production notes going off in the back of your mind i i guess that if you wanted to

generalize the question it would be like how do you enjoy a movie for us i think as well if we're like being like i'm breaking this down for plot and I'm breaking this down for continuity errors. If it's good or even if I take the time to switch off and actually focus on something, which is difficult if it's bad, then none of that matters to me. It all kind of disappears and I just kind of like just lock into the thing that's happening.

But I think maybe, look, I've never worked on a big film set, so I'd imagine it would be different if I was like a professional editor or, you know, if I had any discernible skill related to the making of a movie, I'd probably take it out of it. Yeah, it'd take me out of it. But again, if it's good and I'm kind of locked into it, it doesn't really bother me. But I also don't mind watching a movie and being like,

oh, that's interesting, I'll remember that. Or, oh, that's bad and I can't wait to talk about why. I think modern movies, it's a rarity when they're so egregiously bad in terms of set decoration that I'm like. Yeah. It's more like, look at this shit green screen. Exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like when we, the last one I think, and I believe it was Deliberatives.

Remember we watched Malignant? Oh, yeah. And it was kind of everything was deliberately kind of weird and unfinished, all the sets were unfinished. Yeah. But I think movies these days. And big. The big, weird big rooms.

Yeah, it did feel like weird big rooms. I think these days I, know, if, because so much of these movies now, it's kind of they're filmed on sets as opposed to on location now. Yeah. That the production design has gotten so good at that sort of stuff. Absolutely. I agree. So no, I don't

really have a problem with it. But I understand why people do. You see that in people with reviews who like have either been doing it for a while or have more film industry experience and they struggle to appreciate things and whatever. That's not even the right word. I don't know. The thing that we were saying.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mason, this is from Benson Maid who says, Hashtag Weekly Planet Pod, what a month of sequels we've had. Ant-Man, Puss in Boots, Creed, and now Scream, all focused on some sort of legacy slash dynasty dynasty but how would you rank them who handled the continuation of legacy the best so ant-man puss in boots creed and scream i would say puss in boots probably creed scream ant-man okay well i haven't seen puss in boots that is number one okay then let's assume it's number one for me it is okay yeah uh i think airman is at the

bottom yep i think it's a it's a race it's a race to the middle for creed and scream but again i am i am new to the scream franchise it's true i think just personal taste i'm gonna put scream above creed okay i just think that that's not because it's a bad movie you just enjoy the screamer verse i enjoy the screamer's not because it's a bad movie. You just enjoy the Screamiverse. I enjoy the Screamiverse. I think it's... Overall, I think they've handled the overwhelming meta-ness quite well.

In a way that it could have... I mean, and that probably explains why they've kept making them. Yeah. You know what? I'm going to do the same. They're very decent quality and it's... And they shouldn't be. They shouldn't be. That's true. Yeah, I think they've handled it very well. I agree.

But we can definitively agree that Ant-Man is on the bottom of that list. Here's an email from Connor. Yeah. Hey, lads, love the pod. Long time listening here from Western Sydney. I've been listening from the day my schoolmate Josh forced me against my will. Thanks, Josh. For listening to the podcast.

I've since finished school, finished uni, and I've gotten married. My wife Tiff and I are currently enjoying celebrating our three-year wedding anniversary in your local Melbourne. Oh, my God. That's where we live. We are currently enjoying the abundance of cafes, reading comics, and calling out, do you know Nick Mason at every tram we see?

How's that going? We're wondering are there any spots you guys would recommend visiting? Oh, wow, Mason. I've got so many lists of things. Go on. Red Rooster. Go to Red Rooster, absolutely. As many as you can get to.

They changed the chicken in the flavour up, which I'm not happy about. Do you think they don't have Red Rooster in Sydney? No. Yeah, that's what I thought. What else do you think? A Porto chicken. Oh, not bad. A Porto chicken.

Yep. A Grilled. You go to a Grilled. I fucking hate Gr wow shit burgers i quite like them and they'll take the sponsorship and they take too long and they're like these are kind of healthy then why do they like at least make them taste then why does this one have a syringe in it yeah you know exactly ow ow i love heroin but not in my burgers. Right. Yeah. What else, Mason?

For real? Should we do it for real? Yeah, okay. Do they do 10 or 12 packs of nuggets at McDonald's? They do 10 and 20, James. Do they? Yeah. It used to be nine, but they upped it. It used to be nine.

Yeah, when I worked there, it was nine. I think I've told you this, but I could tell the weight of how many nuggets were in there by picking it up. Brilliant. Brilliant skill. If there was some sort of Indiana Jones toon trap that involved you swapping out a precious idol for a assortment of nuggets, yeah, you could do that, I think.

Because I was there when they changed up from nine to ten. Did they jack up the price? Probably. I'd love to know. I'd love to ask me, but I can't because I don't know. I think if you went back in time and you asked teenage you about the price of nuggets, he'd punch

you. Yeah, and not know. That's right. For real though, I reckon you should go to ACMI, the Australian Centre for the Moving Image. They're doing a... Oh yeah. They have an exhibition on Marvel costumes right now. Do they? Yeah. From the movies. I think some of it is Thor Love and Thunder, which is a... You love Thor Love and Thunder. I don't. It's bad, but I'd probably like to have a look at the costumes.

What was I thinking of that you loved? Was I thinking of Thor Love and Thunder? No, I don't like that movie. I think it's bad. I'd be thinking of Thor 4, the movie that you love. Oh, that's the same movie and I don't love it. Interesting. Interesting.

Interesting. I think after that you could probably go to Bridie O'Reilly's. Nice. What else? What's good, Mason? What's good in the city? The aquarium. I love the zoo.

Sydney's got a great zoo, though. What else? But probably not our assortment of just freaks. Yeah, just freaks and leftovers. Yeah. What's good in Melbourne? I don't know. That's a great question.

IMAX. Oh, they have that, I think. Yeah. They could visit in Melbourne? I don't know. That's a great question. IMAX. They have that, I think. Yeah. They could visit the Sydney Harbour Bridge. Oh, no, that's where they're from, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. There's art shows on.

You go to the art museum, there's always a concert. What's it called? The Art Centre. Yep. You go to the Palais. Yeah. See some live music. Yeah, that's right.

Coffee culture. Yeah, that's good. All culture. Yeah, that's good. All of these things. I think all those things are good. You could lend them your copy of Thor 4. I don't have a copy of it. I don't have a copy of it. You can boot it up on Disney+.

I know you've started, so it's probably ready to go. I haven't started. If that's the thing you should do. I'm so mad. All right. Do you have another email? No, that's all the emails. I've got one more.

It's from Johnny Yabes who says, Hashtag Wig the Planet Pod. We'll do this emails, James. I've got one more. It's from Johnny Yabes who says, hashtag Wiggly Planet Pod. We'll do this now, Mason. Okay. But we will do a versus episode, but why not throw this in? Hey, James and Mason, just wondering that Pedro Pascal is the most famous person now. Who would win the fight, Joel Miller or Din Djarin? Joel Miller would murder the Mandalorian.

Do you think so? Absolutely. Again, I haven't watched The Last of Us at all yet. He's just a monster of a man okay yeah especially it was for like if he had good not even good reason he'd just do it how would he do it though just shoot him that doesn't that doesn't that mandalorian have a bulletproof suit yeah he'd get him under the neck one of those he's so smart and he's got old man strength okay Okay, all right. And there's a reason he's alive in that universe. Can he fly?

No. Then he's going to be dead. Okay, I'm going to slightly spoil the latest episode. Of The Mandalorian? Yeah, I'm going to do it right now for you. Oh, is he incompetent? Yeah, he's always incompetent. I like that show, but he's a fucking idiot.

Remember the times the Jawas fucked him up? Jawas. Embarrassing. Remember the time? Jars? Yeah. I can't open this Jar. How many times has he, like, just been shot in the armour?

He's just like, I'm running into... He's an idiot. And yet he's lived. And yet he's lived because he's got plot armour and literal armour, right? And he's probably got Grogu on him. So he goes... That's true. But he goes to the Mines of Mandalore to dip into the water to replenish himself.

And he's wearing his big, heavy Mandalorian armour. Probably would have taken the armour off. Well, he can't, can he? No. Because he's a fucking idiot. And he steps in and he sinks like a stone 100 feet and he has to be rescued. What a fucking idiot.

He's an idiot. He's a big idiot. And, again, I like the show, but he's a fucking idiot. He is a big idiot with a flamethrower, though, isn yeah but i also joel fireproof is he no but joel joel miller no he's got such a normal guy name doesn't he i'm like just someone i know he's he's he will straight murder somebody like immediately like the mandalorian would you like you want to have a conversation then you can draw fast or, but he's not like a ruthless, relentless, like survivalist killer psycho, which Joel is.

Okay. Well, look, maybe my opinion. I know they both have a little person to look after, but no. Yeah, yeah. Who would win between Ellie and Grogu then? Ellie. Okay, all right. I mean, Grogu can sort of do the force, but.

You don't know what's behind Grogu's death. That's true. Actually, it probably would be him. Yeah. See, I feel, look, maybe my opinion will change when I watch The Last of Us, but I feel like, you know, he probably has that drive to survive and live, but he doesn't have that wrist thing that shoots out a million missiles.

But neither does the Mandalorian sometimes. Yeah, I guess, when he forgets he has it. Joel's also not a guy that you'd immediately attack. Okay. Oh, because he looks like a regular guy. He looks like a guy. Yeah, right. Yeah.

Okay. Anyway, he's crazy. You should watch the show and then you'll know. Okay. Yeah. He's a loon mason. Is he more of a loon than he is in the game? Probably.

Wow. He probably kills less people because in the game you kill like a million people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the way he kills and his reasoning for killing is like it's more impactful, I feel, though he's yet to hit somebody with a brick. So we'll see. Yeah, nice. There's one episode I haven't watched yet.

That's right. He's been holding that brick the entire season. He keeps throwing it up in the air like it's a baseball. And he's like, one of these days. Bam. Moon. You go and get bricked, baby. Bricked to the moon.

That's right. What's up, Mason? What are you, an old phone? Because you're going to get bricked. What are you, a computer and you've put some malware on it? Because you're going to get bricked. Blue screen of death. And by that I mean brick.

That's right. I'm watching you with a brick. What are you, an old Xbox? Because you're going to get bricked. Blue screen of death. And by that I mean brick. That's right. What are you, old Xbox? Because you're going to get bricked. What are you? By that I mean current Xboxes, 2003 or something. What are you, an unfinished brick wall where there's one space left for a brick? You're going to get bricked. Nice.

Hell yeah. Mason, let's wrap up the show. Let's wrap it up, folks. Thank you so much for listening to the podcast. But not before we wrap up the show. Sorry, go on. Wait, what? Just wrap up the show. Sorry, go on. Wait, what? Just wrap up the show.

Okay. Just like you're trying to gaslight me here. Amazing. Regular light. I'm shining a beacon. I love that. To help you get to the light. Very nice of you.

Folks, thank you so much for listening to the podcast. We appreciate it. Thank you for telling your friends about it because that's how we get new listeners. And thank you for leaving a five-star review on your podcast catcher of choice. James, you got any reviews there? Yes, this is from Drogo96 who says, five stars, by the way, which you can do in-app, any app that you're listening to.

Werewolves in Melbourne. Wasn't sold at first until I realized the two hosts were werewolves. Pretty obvious when you know what to listen for and gives them an interesting perspective on today's agricultural issues. You can get past the fact that there's no new episodes during a full moon. Oh. Great point.

End of view. I like that one. That's right. And this is from Luke Pearlberg, who also gave us five stars, which automatically means I like this one too. Oh, yeah. Best comic book movie. Even more than the previous one?

I like them the same. Interesting. Best comic book movie podcast out there. Get ready for Red Hot Comic Book Movie News Anima because these two silly boys are shooting it every week. That sounds too rude, but I'll take it. Damn, son. If you want to get into contact with us, you can. Oh, Mason.

Yes, go on. Did you just wrap it up? Yeah, it is. There we go. There we go. Folks, if you want to get into contact with us, you can go to weeklyplanetpod at gmail.com, at Facebook or Twitter at Bandcamp. You can go to the weeklyplanetpod at gmail.com, at Facebook or Twitter at Bandcamp. You go to the Weekly Planet Pod Discord and Reddit and also the Planet Broadcasting Great Mates Facebook group if you want to have some fun, nice discussions about podcasts

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Very reasonable. Having a great time over there. The Flashpoint Paradox Commentary. That's right. That was a fun one to do. I agree. And movie to watch. Big wide men.

Big wide men. Wide faces. That's right. Faces wider than their chests. Superman probably in that. Yeah, very skinny fella. Go on, though. Let's see. If you want to buy a t-shirt, you can get it at tpublic.com. Yeah, very skinny fella. Go on, though. Let's see.

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Yeah, that's what we're going to watch. And by all accounts, it's good but will bomb. But both of those things can change. That is true. And I hope they do. I hope it's bad and it does extremely well. That'll teach him. That'll teach everyone.

That'll show them and that'll prove us right probably somehow. Wasting all the contradictory things I've said. Just pick one of those. We'll be right somehow. That's right. Cool. All right. Thanks, everyone. And grab that jimmy, guys. We'll be right somehow. That's right. Cool. Alright, thanks everyone.

We'll see you next week. Can't wait. You have a laugh track. I'm going to use it. But there you go. It's alright. I hear it a million times. Great. Alright, let's go. I think he's better. It's still going? Yeah. It's still lit up.

There we go. We calibrated it to how funny everything we say is. So obviously it's going to be loud. It makes sense. It makes sense. At the end, there should be a clip of us going, guys, stop. Stop laughing. Come on.

We've got to get on with the show. God. We've got to go home at some point. That's right. Speaking of. Go on. We should actually wrap up the show. Oh, mate.

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