The Weekly Planet - 547 Transformers One & Hellboy: The Crooked Man

Episode Date: October 14, 2024

In this weeks episode we're having the absolute time of our lives reviewing Transformers One and Hellboy: That Crooked Bloke. Plus we get into the news of the week which includes but not exclusively early reactions to Captain America: Brave Bird Man, details on Robert Downey Jr's role as Doctor Doom, Henry Cavill joining the Voltron movie, Francis Ford Coppola's next two movies, the cancellation of Velma and Chaos, Aaron Pierre joins Lanterns, Christopher Nolan's next movie, Zachery Levi career update and the fallout from Joker II: Folie à Deux. Thanks for listening!Visit bigsandwich.co for bonus weekly shows including video game let's plays, exclusive movie commentaries, early stuff and ad-free podcast feeds for $9 per month.Please be aware timecodes may shift due to inserted ads. Maybe skip an extra few minutes.00:00 The Start05:05 Negative Reactions for Captain America: Brave New World10:28 RDJ's Doctor Doom Won't Be Fantastic 4 Villain14:38 Henry Cavill Cast in Voltron Movie16:22 Coppola's Next Move After Megalopolis18:13 Kaos & Velma Series Cancelled21:36 John Stewart Cast in Green Lantern Series25:08 The Next Christopher Nolan Movie28:06 Zachary Levi Having a Bad Time32:14 Joker: Folie a Deux's Box Office Failure41:56 Hellboy: The Crooked Man Review53:18 Hellboy Spoiler Segment (timecodes shift with ads)57:10 Transformers One Review01:06:30 Transformers Spoiler Segment (timecodes shift with ads)01:11:00 What We Reading, What We Gonna Read01:16:18 Letters, It's Time For LettersJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownMaso's Instagram ► https://www.instagram.com/nickmaseauThe Weekly Planet Twitter ► https://twitter.com/theweeklyplanetThe Weekly Planet TikTok ►https://www.tiktok.com/@weeklyplanetpodThe Weekly Planet Clips Channel on YouTube ► https://www.youtube.com/@theweeklyplanetclipsPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesTWP iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767TWP Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetTWP YouTube Channel ► https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2QbmwGj Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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and comics and TV shows. My name is- TV shows. My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday. My name's James. No, just that one part I was singing. With me is always my coast. With me is always. It's me. Well, I'm always with me. That's true. That's me. What's that like? Oh, it has its ups and downs, I'll be honest with you. Sure. Well, life is a roller coaster. It's peaks and troughs, you know. That's so true. People need to remember that. I agree. How could you appreciate the lows

if you haven't had the highs, you know? Yeah, but I've requested a special rollercoaster They're just straight down the middle. It's just a straight line. No, I was down. Yeah God. How's that expensive? But boring That's life sometimes, you know, but you're having the time of your time. I'm having certainly I'm having a time I'm having one of the times of my life. My boring rollercoaster, yes. So we've got a big week this week. We're gonna talk about two movies. Oh yeah. One we missed because I was away in various other reasons. We're gonna talk about Transformers 1 and we're also gonna talk about

not Transformers, Hellboy. We're gonna talk about Transformers 1 and Transformers 1. It needs a bit of help apparently. I think so, yeah. Box office wise. It's got that guy out there, the Transformers 1 hype guy. Yeah, he's hype. He's mentioned us. He said hello. He's out there. He's doing the Lord's work.

I hope they're paying that dude. The Lord's work? The Lord's work. This is what the Lord wants. Lord Straxus? No. Transformers character? Is he God?

Is he their God? No, he's just some guy. Yeah. I think it's Lord Straxus. Doesn't matter. It's hard in Transformers when they're like, there's an ultimate God of Transformers or Yeah. I think it's Lord Straxus. Doesn't matter. It's hard in Transformers when they're like there's an ultimate god of Transformers or whatever and then it's like oh but somebody made that, you know? Oh sure sure sure.

Doesn't make any... Maybe the Quintessons did it. Maybe the Quintessons did it or whatever. Anyway, we'll get into all of that. Is Lord Straxus? Yeah. Yeah, sometimes. Is he a Prime?

No, he's just some guy. Just some guy, alright. What's the good news? I think he's given himself the official title. Like Doctor Doom, he's not a real doctor. He's not some guy. Just some guy, alright. What's he got in his? I think he's given himself the official title. Like Dr. Derm, he's not a real doctor. He's not a doctor. He didn't even get a doctorate in Dermology. I mean maybe, like from Latveria University,

it doesn't count. Latveria Luniversity doesn't count. May as well go to Jordan Peterson University. I mean maybe he got a doctorate afterwards, or maybe he already had some doctorates, but he didn't get one at New York University because his face exploded yeah and then he had to leave on account of the exploding face. It's just words as well. Anybody can be called anything you know. So true. Just words. Maybe he changed his

first name to doctor. Yeah. That's a handy life hack right there folks. I met a guy once whose name was captain like his first name his parents had called him captain. Okay. Yeah. What do you think of that? Were they celebrity parents? I don't think so. What a terrible mistake. Because like as a celebrity parent, you can, the assumption is like... You can send him to a weird school and it's fine.

When you send him to a weird school, everybody's called out. You know, Brooklyn Beckham. Everybody's called Brooklyn or Apple or Pilot Inspector or whatever. Yogurt Lid. Yogurt Lid Beckham. Because you assume as a celebrity that your fame will protect them forever I guess and the money and so and you're blazing a new trail for names. Yeah. Or whatever but don't do it. Call your kid Robert. Robert Pattinson. Call your kid Robert Pattinson. And look how far he got. Yeah. Oh we didn't talk about

somebody send an email in. I did. They did. Oh, yeah. About the Mickey 17 trailer. Oh, yeah. Oh, I do have that. John emailed in and said. I got in the letters too. We'll talk about it.

Oh, yeah. We'll get to it. Don't worry about it. Save it for letters. Okay, let's save it for letters. We've got news. There's time codes below. Collin, who edits this, puts them down there.

We got some first test screening results for Captain America 4. Why didn't they invite us? I don't know. Because we're going to make fun of it? Yeah, they said we're going to make fun of it, no matter what we thought. first test screening results for Captain America 4. Why didn't they invite us? I don't know. Because we're going to make fun of it? Yeah they said we're going to make fun of it no matter what we thought. Yeah. Look at me, I've got wings.

I'm a bird. I've got wings, I've got a shield. Pick one, idiot. I don't like this episode, you see him. I want to do a roll and hurt my knee. What a moron. We're going to talk about Robert Downey Jr.'s role as Doctor Doom and what that's going to extend to in terms of movies. Okay, sure. We're going to talk about Robert Downey Jr.'s role as Dr. Doom and what that's going to extend to in terms of movies.

Okay, sure. We're going to talk about some new casting for Voltron. Voltron? Live action Voltron? We're going to talk about... Taika Waititi's Voltron? Yeah, that's one. Francis Ford Coppola is going to do something else apparently. Is it Voltron? I wish! God.

We're going to talk about a couple of... Get back to your lions. Just get back in your line. Or you can talk about existentialism, if you wish. And that came out two weeks ago. No, I don't remember that. We talked about it. We'll mystified by saying I think Adam Driver should be one of the one of the guys. One of the Voltron's Voltron's leg.

Or maybe just Voltron. Yeah, the whole thing forms up. Yeah. Hell, yeah. We're going to talk about some canceled shows. We'll talk about some confirmed casting for the Green Latin TV series. Christopher Nolan's next project. Zachary Levi having a big sook.

And then some fallout from Joker 2. And that's gonna be a big section of this podcast. Terrific. Settle in everybody. Settle in and settle down. Yeah, that's right. God. Hold your horses.

Put your arms down. Stop waving them about. That's right. Like you're on Mason's straight line roller coaster. I'm gonna be fine if you did that's right. God. God. Hold your horses. Put your arms down. Stop waving them about. That's right. Like you're on Mason's straight line roller coaster. I'm gonna be fine if you did that. Yeah. It's very safe. Yeah I'm not surprised. I don't need to do it. But it's the principle of the thing. Put your arms down. Put your arms in. That's right. That's a rule on a roller coaster. We're all about the rules here. That's right. So uh, Mason let's start on the negative. Good. Yes, please. I thought we already did. Alright. Let's continue. When you said welcome to another episode of the Weekly Planet, but all right.

Let's continue that. Okay. So in the test screenings for Captain America, He's a Bird now. It haven't been great. So this is my world of real. Based on folks I've spoken to, those who attended were either given a red or green bracelet and were split into two different theaters. I hate this already, but all right. Because they're screening two different versions. One's a control group and one's an experimental group. I guess. And one of these people with the green wristband, they went into the musical version.

And the other group were given LSD. So the reaction I've heard have not been very kind to this movie, which is being described as inessential and flat. Damn. This of course had four months of reshoots. It's not inessential to Marvel. What do you mean like?

In the sense that- Like the storyline wise? No, I mean if they keep doing badly. Oh no, that's bad for them. Yeah. No Time to Shine Hello said, just heard back from three people who went to the cut. I don't think you heard back from anybody No Time to Shine. You're a liar.

I don't know, I think My Time to Shine Hello is trying to gain some traction back. I think No Time to Shine Hello should have picked a different username because it always makes you sound- You always remember it, right? I do, but it always makes me sound like some- it always makes them sound like someone who's like, it's my time to be famous. Oh, okay. And it's like, well, I don't think you-

It's our time to be famous, if any of you. Agreed! Don't you think? Yes! We're doing this long enough. 10 plus years. Yeah. Where's my gold logy for podcasting?

Just turned back. Where's my gold logy for best doing a spit out of a bus window? Just turned back from three people who went to see Captain America, Brave New World, new test screening and woof. Movie sounds awful. And Silab Dull said, Marvel held multiple test screenings of different cuts for the film in the past month. Main criticism is the use of the leader's character in both is either too much or too little. Okay. So do something in the middle, I guess.

Don't you think? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. One cut. Who's the leader again? It's a big headed. No, I know, but who's the actor? I know who the leader is. Tim Blake Nelson.

It is Tim Blake Nelson. People are screaming out, more Tim Blake, more Tim Blake. And then on the theatre, less Tim Blake Nelson. People are screaming out, more Tim Blake, more Tim Blake. And then the theatre, less Tim Blake. Tim Blake. And the guy's there, he's looking at his clipboard, he's like, I don't know what to do. Fikie, what do we do? And Fikie's like, for the first time, I don't know. I don't know. We can't figure out the perfect amount of Tim Blake Nelson. No. One Cut seems to have Amadeus Cho set up in it for future projects, consistent high marks for Sam and President Ross. So I guess that bodes well for the thing in the trailer One Cut seems to have Amadeus Cho set up in it for future projects, consistent high marks

for Sam and President Ross. So I guess that bodes well for the thing in the trailer that people are excited about. Yeah, Harrison Ford turning into a big city monster. Yes, absolutely. People seem to like Sam Wilson enough. I'm still not sold on that. And for people who don't know Amadeus,

Amadeus Cho is another Hulk. Another Hulk, yeah, he's the totally awesome Hulk. Which makes me wonder if maybe they've found a loophole. I didn't know who's gonna be in this. No, maybe we talked about I don't remember either. But um, for people that don't know there's there is some sort of legal issue with- Yeah, universal. Universal part of the Hulk and so Marvel can't do a solo Hulk movie. Which is why he's in things, but he hasn't had a Hulk movie since Incredible Hulk. So maybe if maybe they're like well if it's it's not Bruce Banner, we can use it.

So yeah, we can basically make any kind of movie, any with the Hulk in it, but you just can't call it the Hulk. So I think that wraps up soon though, or something. There's some expiration date on that. Okay, right. I can't remember when specifically. We've talked about it. Maybe they just like the idea of Amadeus Cho.

I love ideas. I'm always thinking of them and then saying them and then people say your ideas are bad but they don't realize that I'm a free thinker. I thought it was your time to shine hello. No that's not me. I just steal their content for this. Right. Mason, anyway, are you excited for this Birdman? Yes I am. Yeah? I think it looks cool. I'm more interested in Thunderbolts. I am definitely more excited. Because I think about that trailer, that Captain America trailer, and I remember something, something, someone trying to shoot the president, and they took that out because it really happened.

And then at the end the president turns into Hulk, and I don't know what happens in between in that trailer. Like what else is in there? Flying around. Yeah. I know they rebranded one of the characters who was an Israeli freedom fighter. Who they've completely retooled. Hey, listen, Mason, it's just politics. We can talk about it. I'll also, you maybe mentioned, speaking of Amadeus Cho, Daniel Richtman, who is maybe a better scooper than this liar, said Amadeus Cho might be Logan

Kim, his podcast in the Ghostbusters. Oh, okay. So that's pretty cool. I accept it. And again, with child actors, like maybe he's an adult now, I don't know. Yeah, man. That's good. It's good to be an adult now.

He was in Ghostbusters last one. Yeah. Yeah. I think. They're doing Young Avengers then, I guess. Are they still working towards that if they're putting him in it? Yeah, maybe. We need a bunch of young teens doing a quip.

Young teens doing a quip. Young teens doing a flip. They should bring back that 1960s era bad animation. Remember the old Marvel cartoons that were just out of comic books? Yeah, that sounds like one of their theme songs. Yeah. Young teens doing a quip quick young teens doing a trip young Avengers anyway that I had nothing today except this sugar-free energy no

food you're gonna have to get some red rooster into your mate if you know it's good for you not red rooster if you know what's good for you base of this by daddy Richmond I just mentioned him yeah Yeah, you did. So this is concerning Robert Downey Jr.'s role and the filming of Avengers 5 and 6. Okay, great. 5 and 6. Wow. Damn. Yeah. So apparently the whole thing's going to shoot for three... he's going to... it's

going to shoot for five months, but he's going to shoot for three months, which makes me think his role as Doom is more than doing a voice behind a mask, which is good because they're probably paying him $80 million. They are paying him $80 million. So the other main actors are going to film for about one month and more minor roles, your secondary Avengers, Marvel characters will be more like two weeks. Maybe Robert Downey Jr. as Doom is the new Stan Lee doing a little cameo. He'll just pop up reading a paper on the subway. Maybe, maybe Robert Downey Jr. as Doom is the new Stan Lee doing a little cameo. Oh.

Or just pop up reading a paper in the, in the, on the subway. He's like somebody's watching. Yeah, that's right. Doom is watching. Yeah. Apparently, so Daniel Richmond was being asked questions about this on Twitter and he said, and one of the answers was, a few of these answers, I'll do a few, I'll do three. You happy with that?

This is a big issue with how they're handling Doom. Even if him and Reed have a lot of interactions on Doom, ZoomStay slash Secret Wars, they're still making him the main antagonist of the multiverse saga and the Avengers films and Galactus is the villain of the Fantastic Four movie, meaning Doom is now primarily set up as an Avengers villain and the MCU were not a Fantastic Four villain. And since the MCU villains often died the climax of their arc, it doesn't leave any chance for him to be a Fantastic Four villain afterwards. Huh.

Yeah. I don't villain afterwards. Huh. Yeah. I don't like that. Well. But I mean, you know, we're all sort of plummeting towards whatever the finale of the Marvel Universe is. So why not just throw it all in there? And we've also heard recently that Doom is going to be a Spider-Man antagonist now, not

a Fantastic Four antagonist. And the next Spider-Man movie might be a Spider-Man antagonist now, not a Fantastic Four antagonist, and the next Spider-Man movie might be a null movie, like, versus all the symbiotes, and it's like, save some for the rest of us. Yeah. When we make our movies, give us some characters, you know? There's a very small chance we'll also get a second Doom afterwards. Foggy sees up, but Foggy sees RDJ as the main Doom. He claims he cast RJ to get Doom right.

Okay. And also he's not just set for two appearances. As you mentioned, he's gonna be in Fantastic Four, potentially some other projects between Doomsday and Secret Wars. But yeah, once this saga wraps up, that'll likely be it for him. It's interesting that we've had all this other

multiverse stuff, and then they're just gonna make like six Doctor Doom adjacent movies and then just be done with it. So over the course of like a couple of years. I think they should have been done with it last year. Well Mason, last year's over. And we haven't even started the Doctor Doom saga yet. Oh my God. Did you know Sebastian Stan is from Romania? No. He was born in Romania. So he could have been Doctor Doom. So he's, wait, he's American. I mean, like he's American now, I hope. I hope.

Yes. So he's got Romanian parents. Is that what you're telling me? Yeah, and he was born in Romania. I listened to his episode of WTF, Mark Maron. He's pretty low key, right? Yeah, he seems cool. Yeah, he seems cool. He seems cool. On the podcast, do you have his long hair or his short hair? I'll have a look at his picture. Yeah, that'd be great if you could do that. Yeah, Romanian American actor. There you go. I didn't know that at all. Yeah, I mean, yeah. He was born in Constantinia, Romania.

Oh, wasn't that where you were born? No, I was born in Melbourne. Oh, that's right. You were born at St. Vincent's Hospital or something. Yeah, probably. I don't know. You don't know? I don't know.

You don't know? You don't have your I don't know. How would I know? You don't know? You don't have your birth certificate framed above your bed? Like a normal Australian? No, I don't have that and I don't salute it every morning. I'm breaking away from the pack. Anyway, do you think this will be good? How about that? I forgot what we were talking about. Doctor Doom, etc.

Some of it, yeah. Like most faces of the Marvel Universe, some of it yeah yeah some of it all right like most faces of the marvel universe some of it will be pretty good and we'll look back on it in a decade and go yeah some good stuff in there pretty good pretty good we look at all the others that we go like we look at it with rose tinted glasses go with phase one of the marvel universe was completely flawless actually well we didn't think that at the time no well it's pretty good pretty good i like a lot of it it's pretty good also. It was pretty good. I liked a lot of it. It was pretty good. Also it was so fresh then. Like seeing Thor was enough to be like, holy shit, they made this.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Nice and this is by THR. We talked about Voltron last week and how it had some casting and the director is the same director as Red Notice, which got us very excited. Very excited. But Henry Cavill has joined the cast, which means this is probably happening, I guess. Then again, you also join the cast of Highlander, and I think he's also doing that Warhammer

series or something. That's true, yeah. I guess it's still happening. And he's another Wolverine. And he's another Wolverine. He's getting his own Wolverine movie. Spoilers, Mason. Spoilers.

Too late. If you don't mind. The stars and directors of that movie all just... They're using their Instagram. They just showed the clips. Yeah. So I'm guessing, if it's anything like Legendary Defender, he'll probably be like the Shiro character.

He's like the older, he's like an older mentor character. He starts as piloting a line and then he kind of takes on a different role in the Voltron Force. And then at the end they're just like, guess what? He's gay. In the last like two minutes. They're like, he's gay. He's like what?

He's gay? What were the clues that pointed to that? I don't remember that. It's a great show but it does feel very tacked on. Oh yeah. I know. Is it a... It's like, and he got married.

That was pretty much it. That's the end. It would have been nice to weave some of that into the actual story. Was it like a Harry Potter after the fact? Yeah, but they put it in the show though. Unlike with it, yeah. Dumbledore is gay in all but words and actions. Oh sure, yeah. That's right. Sebastian's down on W2F. It looks like he's got the long hair, but he's...

Oh, he's slicking it back. With his sunglasses? He's got the sunglasses there. Pretty cool. Damn, I like that. I'm looking forward to that Trump movie he's doing, The Apprentice. I'm not. I mean, not a good time to... I mean, yeah, because... wait, why not? I'm not interested in the life of that guy. No, think about it. Think about all the things that he did and how you could watch them. Wow.

Yeah, exactly. I am. I'm going to say that. But you know, it's a political year. So was it the right time for politics? No, no. Never. Never.

Mason, this via World of Real. Francis Ford Coppola was asked during a recent AMA on his Instagram account. All right. Talking about like, what he's going to gonna do next and he said he's got two final films. One is called Distant Vision and it's going to be more grandiose than Megalopolis. Damn. Good luck. You can relate to that. The last one he said will be immense. He recently described Distant Vision as more ambitious than Megalopolis. Yeah, it says that. Shot entirely live, whatever

that means. And that it will be much harder to make than Megalopolis yet says that shot entirely live whatever that means and that'll be much harder to make than Megalopolis yeah so two films left one of them is distant vision and you might even get to make one of them especially if you're using your own money how you feeling about this distant vision I'm excited for it I think he could make something good still yeah I think he just got caught in the weeds of Megalopolis. Took too long, dragged out most of his life. Fears were fucked. Yeah. Yeah let's see what he's doing. Again not our money. Not our money. Not our money nor has he made any characters that we like you know are hoping or adapted well. Well you know it's the Marvel thing.

Yeah. Like there are no pre-existing. I hope he does a good adaptation of those whatever give us Give us some more Roman you'd be mad if he was doing Wuthering Heights wouldn't you and you're Wuthering Heights Wuthering Heights Yeah, were there your original height you'd be mad. I'd be mad. That's your favorite characters. Yeah, candy. Yeah So, you know, I honestly thought that like that was probably it for him, but I guess, I guess not. No, he's 85. He's been buoyed up by the positive reaction to the movie Megalopolis. I don't know what he's reading, but all right.

So it's time to get back to the studio. Get back to the movie studio. Get back to the green screen. Make another movie. Yeah, man. So go back to the club. Oh, mate, you saw a couple of shows got cancelled this week. I did. You're upset.

Number one, you specifically mentioned this before the show. You were like, I'm not upset because I haven't watched it. You have to talk about it. You said I'm only vaguely aware of its existence. But the Netflix show Chaos, which is about gods or something about gods and it has Jeff Goldblum as a Zeus in the modern era being being, you era being mean and weird. And people said it was pretty good. So I'm like, I'll put that on my list eventually.

And that's been cancelled after one season. Yeah. As usual. Unsurprising. Good work. Yeah, great stuff. Do you know anyone who watched it? No.

In your real life? Because nobody had a chance to watch it. Oh. Well, they did have a chance to watch it, but they've got a million other things to watch. So they're like, well, I'll get to that in six months. Well, it's too late. Sometimes these things gain traction. Like Suits is a million other things to watch. So they're like, well, I'll get to that in six months. Well, it's too late. Sometimes these things gain traction.

Like Suits is the biggest show in the world. Now they're bringing it back. Are they? Suits again. Well. Suits with two S's on the end. Suits and two on the front. Suits.

This time the sleeves are longer. Sleeves are longer. Comically long. Is that the fashion? Well, no, but you get, you know, when you're in court. Yeah. You know, it's real dramatic. Your honor!

I digress! Yeah, yeah. Good stuff. I won't have you flapping your sleeves. In this court, guy who was in the movie The Spirit, but then he caught a break with suits. He was, yeah. Gabriel Macht. Yeah, man.

And then he was suits. And then he was suits. And then there's another guy also in suits. He was in suits. Yeah, yeah. He was the spirit. Gabriel Macht. Yeah, man. And then he was Suits. Then he was Suits. And then there's another guy also in Suits. He was in Suits. Yeah, yeah. He's like, well, I'm not a lawyer, but I'll wear the Suits. Yeah.

I'm gonna check everybody. Did you see any of it? I watched a couple of Suits. I saw the sum of the first episode. Yeah. How did that go down? It's all right, I guess. I don't know.

Everybody's very smug. Yeah. Like a cool drink of water. At the end, his boss is always like, guy from the spirit, suits. You've actually, you've crossed the line this time and I think you may have got away with this time, but you're actually a loose cannon. He's like, but I did the job, didn't I?

I missed the suits. And she's like, I guess you did. And the other guy's like, I hope people don't know that I'm not supposed to be wearing the suits. Et cetera. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I imagine it's that every episode and that's what people want. Yep. They want they want their gruel. Why doesn't that guy just do his law degree? That's a great point. I'm sure they could just do it. They would have explained it in the show.

He can't because he did a crime or something, you know. Oh, we've all done crimes. Anyway, Mason, Valma is also canceled. Okay. Why this takes two seasons? I only know that because I only know that it was cancelled and I also only know that it got a second season because I watched a NerdSync video about it. Scott's done a bunch of videos. So this was an HBO Max animated series. She was voiced by Mindy Kaling. And everybody hated it. Well, everybody hated it but everybody hate watched the first episode because it was the world's biggest debut for an animated series or something. Yeah, but then presumably it dropped off significantly because again nobody knew there was a second season and a holiday special.

And the dog's not in it. No, I don't think so. Although Scrappy Doo is in it. Great. Yeah, I think it is great. It's like introducing Robin before Batman, but it's like the fourth Robin. What are we doing? I don't know. Um, I didn't I didn't watch any of this. I just I just watched Scott's videos and went Yeah, that does look bad. Actually. I don't know why I did this. Yeah. Yeah. I mean at least everybody hated it everybody No one was like this is good. Actually, do you hear that? No, nobody thought it was good

Yeah, there'll be a retrospective in ten years to be like, well, actually. Actually, this was groundbreaking. Yeah. She's had a little quip. Yeah, man. That's good stuff. Mason, Kyle Chandler, he's been officially cast as Hal Jordan in the Atlantis TV series. And you mentioned this last week.

You're never gonna believe who Jon Stewart is. Saren Pierre. How'd you know that? Because I saw it on Twitter. People went crazy. People said that you predicted that. Yes. And did you predict it or did you saw someone else say it and then go, that would be good? said that you predicted that. Yes. And did you predict it or you saw someone else say it and then go that would be good?

No I predicted it. Oh wow. A rare win for me. Didn't you also will him into being like he didn't exist? Yeah he didn't exist. Prior to me thinking he would be good on a Netflix original movie. No Mason. Oh no he's in that.

I was going to say no he's Lanterns but yeah he was in that. But that series movie I haven't watched or whatever. He was also in Krypton. Yeah he was. He was in Krypton. He was a Kryptonian. That wasn't a bad show. And guess what? And I'd forgotten this, but he was also a famous rapper, mid-size sedan, in the movie Old, The Beach That Makes You Old. Was he? Yeah.

I didn't know that. Well there he is. See, I've done this thing again, right? If I don't see somebody in five things, I can't recognize them. Well you've seen him in two now. That's true. You're ready to go. Uh-huh. God, you're going to recognize him so much by the time this show comes out, mate.

And he's the voice of Mufasa and Mufasa the Lion King. Oh my God, that's... God, you... Wah! Yeah. It's happening all over the place. Yeah. Good for him.

I like this casting. Yep. It's good. Yep. What are the Green Lantern suits? What will they be? Green. And black. But is it going to be Lanterns suits? What will they be? Green.

And black. But is it going to be like an armor? Is it going to be like a skin tight onesie? That's a great question. And also I like how... Guy Gartner's is just a leather, like a yellow leather suit or whatever. Yeah, for now. Also, you know, they've said that Lanterns is now kind of an Earth based mystery.

Yeah. They've always said that. Yeah, I know they have, but I think it's fun. I think it's going to blow out. I think you don't bring the lanterns to Wirth to investigate a murder and then it's just like, oh a guy did it. That's true, yeah. A guy down the road did it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. God, I like this though. I did the murder and then I thought it would be handed up, hide it down the road. I thought I'd get away with it. Well, we've got these incredibly powerful cosmic weapons so yeah you know

we put you with a big hammer or whatever yeah we shone a light on the road and we could see your footprints in green and now we're gonna hit you with this big green hammer. Sorry Cletus you didn't get away with the murder. This was really easy to figure out. So easy. In fact now that I think about it I could have just said hey Ring can you solve this murder for me? And it would do it. It would send out a hologram of me. Yeah, yeah. To solve the murder.

And I could go and do other stuff. No, I think what they're going to get to the crime scene, they're going to be like, there's intergalactic space something happening here. This isn't a regular murder. This has got something to do with the whatever. It's a space murder or a spurter. Yeah, it's a spurter. Yeah.

Yeah. Guys, we've got a spurter alert. I got to say, looking at this and then Superman and Peacemaker and Peacemaker season two, we got the hint of that character this week. I don't know if you saw, I think a Native American character. Sitting by a fire. Sitting by a fire. Might be Peacemaker.

Well... Doing some cultural appropriation. You know, he's known for it. Because James Gunton put the picture up and was like, who's this? Could be Peacemaker. Peacemaker. Maybe it's just John Cena on his day off could be Yeah, what he's up to yeah, I don't know this DCU stuff

I hate I don't want to get ahead of myself because this could bite me. I'm excited for a bunch of this He's a super girl Yeah, hello and apparently so apparently Carl Chandler and Aaron Pierre did some you know, some some tests some chemistry Kissing worked out. Yeah, that's right, yeah. You gotta test that kissing. That's so true, isn't it? And apparently we, James Gunn, kind of sort of hinted out

with an emoji that we might see a Superman trailer before the end of the year, which would be lovely. He put up the Superman trailer emoji. Yeah. Great. That's great. That is great. Christopher Nolan's got a new movie, Mason. No, he doesn't?

Yeah, he's making a movie again. Oh, okay. Go on. You believe it? I can believe it yes. Yeah. Couldn't rest on his laurels forever. No he couldn't rest on his laurels or hearties Mason. But it's... That's good. It's very good yeah. They made films probably Laurel and the Nightingale. I don't know man. Or TV I don't know or plays. It's just whatever's in my head, I say it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, same. It doesn't mean anything. I know. So he's going to Universal Pictures again, which is who he did Oppenheimer with.

Apparently Warner Brother chiefs Mike DeLuca and Pam Abde weren't allowed to read the script. Hey, why don't you come to us? We're Warner Brothers. Because you're bad. Oh, oh yeah. Except for the DC stuff, hopefully. Yeah. But, you know, we'll see, won't we Oh, oh yeah. Except for the DC stuff hopefully. Yeah. But, you know, we'll see won't we?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, they've had a great recent history haven't they with DC stuff. Yeah. Throwing it in the bin. Yeah, that's true. So that's great. Though, the Penguin. Yeah, the Penguin.

The Batman. I, um. Peacemaker Season 1. Joker 2. I imagine James Gunn has had some, you know, he put some sort of don't throw my movies in the bin clause. Yeah. Into his contracts. Well, yeah, well he got the Suicide Squad just

pushed onto streaming so yeah I'd imagine he'd be wary of that yes apparently Matt Damon will star as you might know from Good Will Hunting I've heard of him other movies um Jay and Silent Bob strike back very good Jay and Silent Bob reboot yeah he's turned up in that or something okay Clicks 3 is he in that? No. Clicks 4? Maybe. Yeah see all doors always open. The Bourne Jason Bourne the one that's just called the Bourne Jason Bourne. That's right. That was a good one wasn't it? I agree yes. What if Facebook but too many? Yeah that's right. What if it knew where you were? I've forgotten what we're talking about. Oh it's Matt Damon. Well yeah I mean Matt Damon is sort of one of Nolan's

kind of... He's interstellar in his last one. He'll show up in a Nolan. In a cryotube. He hasn't been the main character yet. No it's gonna be in summer 2026. Now this is my theory. Great in Oppenheimer. Great. This is my theory. Now he normally does a historical one. Yes. Then he does a, so he does a like, then he does, yeah, so he does a historical one, then he does a weird non-historical one that's a metaphor for time and filmmaking. Absolutely. So I think that's what we're getting this time. Sure, okay. What do you think? Yes. Matt Damon does look like Christopher Nolan. Oh yeah? So yeah. They're both men. They look the same. They got the same vibe.

Do they? I think they do. He's British. But he always gets a go. Put him in a scarf. Put Damon in a scarf. I'll put him in a scarf. If you get him in this room, I'll put him in a scarf. Okay. Just try and stop me. Okay. I think, yeah, this sounds like, you're absolutely right. This is one of his metaphor for filmmaking films. Cool. Yeah. And Damon is Nolan.

Yeah. And the last one was Tenet, which... Robert Pattinson in a scarf. In hindsight, when you think back and it was probably it was good. I don't know. I didn't really like it. Did you? I liked it. Did you? Yes. All right. Liked its vibe. I should watch it again. Yeah. Cool. Anyways, by THR. Zachary Levi is having a bad time of it. No, I think he's having a great time. Maybe. Well, he's recently he endorsed Donald Trump. Oh think he's having a great time. Maybe. Well, recently he endorsed Donald Trump. Oh, he's having a bad time. Which is, you know, he might win.

Maybe he's back the right horse. Back the winning horse, John. It's not looking terrible for him, I tell you what. And he declared that act a career suicide and that ends his chances of working again in very, very liberal Hollywood. Do you think that is what ended your chances of getting more work in Hollywood, Zachary Levi? Apparently, this is what he's saying. This is according to THR, the crowd ate it up, applauding the 44-year-old Shazam staffer who sacrificed to the MAGA cause.

The 44-year-old Harold and the Purple Cryon staffer. Oh, sorry, yeah, because he did his I'm a Boy, I'm a Man trilogy. Shazam, Shazam, Shazam 2 and Harold and the Purple Crown. That's correct. So apparently an insider said when he was cast as Shazam, it was his literal dream. He thought this was going to be his ticket to being like The Rock or Chris Evans, but it didn't happen for him and he's bitter about it. Yeah, I guess you would think that like, and Shazam did well.

Yeah. I thought he was better in the first one than the second one. But yeah, I think, I think I saw a comment on this and it was, I wish I saw where it was because it's like dead on. Ryan Reynolds and like Chris Evans and The Rock, they've all done bad movies. Probably more bad than good even. Ryan Reynolds almost exclusively bad movies. Yeah, but when Ryan Reynolds made like Green Lantern and that X-Men Origins Wolverine movie, he didn't come out and have a big fucking sook about it. That's true. He just kept working. And I think that's his mistake here because.

Ryan Reynolds, I think maybe his number one strategic win is telling people until they believed it that Green Lantern was his only bad movie. Have you noticed that? He's always like, boy, it's a bit funny that I made Green Lantern my only bad movie. I'll never live that down making one bad movie. Because then nobody looks at any of his other movies. No, yeah, yeah. You know, anything other than Adventureland.

Just head down and forward, you know. Because remember he was complaining. Mississippi Grind is good. Yeah. Buried. Buried is good. Waiting. All right, all these movies are good. All these movies are good.

Except Greenland. Oh my god. What were they thinking? Joke about T.D. We went on in that movie. They didn't make it. Free Guy. Hardly know her. Nice. Yeah, so I think if he just kind of just kept doing it, because he complained that the Rock

like kind of torpedoed the Shazam. Because he didn't want it, he didn't want them to be opponents. Yes, which I don't, which I don't disagree with like that's crazy to not consider that or do it. Yeah. But yeah, I think you just need to kind of, you know. But also, I kind of feel like Shazam slash Captain Marvel is sort of a, as he's portrayed in these movies, he's quite one dimensional. Yeah.

And I think if you're comparing to that to a Chris Evans Captain America, for example, I think more people can get on board with Chris Evans as Captain America because that character is more fleshed out. They love America. They love America, certainly we all do. But Shazam really feels like a one-note caricature. You know what I mean? Yeah, you're right. It didn't really evolve. And he was that purple crown guy, which is

a good movie, in my opinion. Nice. You happy with that, Ayo? Yeah, yeah. So I don't know. I think maybe he should have, and again, what do we know? We don't know anything. But maybe he should have taken the big wild success of Shazam one yeah maybe gone and done a smaller movie or something that yeah it showcased you know like like Chris Evans did knives out yeah that showcase a different aspect of that because it was sunshine yeah yeah cuz I just when I think of Zachary Levi

I'm just thinking of a guy go you you know? Chuck. I didn't really say Chuck. I didn't say it either but I assume that's what happened. Yeah. At Chuck. But I'm like, well what are you gonna cast him in besides, you know? Yeah, good luck out there though Zachary Levi. We believe in you. That's right. Even though liberal Hollywood doesn't. So true. We're on your side. Yeah. We respect you. If you want any career tips, talk to Kevin Solver. Yeah, he'll help you right out Mason Joker 2 Flushing a Poo. It's in trouble There's no end there it is. You can call this movie. That's so true. It's got a great rhythm. Yeah, you know It's got a great rhythm to that to that that subtitle there. Yeah, we talked about it last week and

We didn't like it that much. Did we? We said it was the best movie ever. Oh yeah, we liked it a lot. That's so true. I think some people only heard us say best movie ever and not all the harsh criticisms. Even though I said go back and listen to the actual review. No you didn't. Okay. You cut that out for funsies.

I just remember you saying you thought it was the best movie ever. That's all I said, it's actually true. They reckon it is probably going to top out or bottom out at $65 million on its US run compared to the first Joker which made $335 million in the US alone, went on to become a billion dollar film the world over. This will not make its money back. We're going to do some spoilers because there's a few things I want to talk about, some of the fallout from this and everybody blaming each other for what happened.

So Yaki and Phoenix, do you ever think about the fallout from this and everybody blaming each other for what happens. So, Joaquin Phoenix, do you ever think about the fallout? The guy from Fallout? The guy from Fallout? The fallout of all your bad decisions. Do you ever dream you're in a courthouse and you hit a judge with a big hammer? I do. Yes. Yes Joaquin.

Yes. So, apparently in the original movie Arthur Fleck was going to carve a smile into his face like what sort of happened at the end of the second movie. But Christopher Nolan vetoed it. Okay, when he still had some power, when he was still with those WB boys. Yeah, because remember at the end he's got blood in his like smears his face or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was I guess that's what they could do at the time. So he's gone now. So they were able to do that eventually in the new one.

Now according to some... He's left. He got in his car. We saw him drive away. He's got some faces. Oh, he's coming back. He's forgotten his scarf. He's going to be so mad.

So THR said that Todd Phillips and Joaquin Phoenix earned $20 million each for this movie. I don't know if you saw, but there was a footage of him that apparently has been like translated from lip reading that he said the movie was horrible. So this is at the premiere. Yeah. Was it at maybe a Cannes premiere or something? And during the standing ovation at the end, the endless standing ovation. The sea of applause.

Somebody, it looks like somebody, he's's saying it's Joaquin Phoenix is saying it's horrible and then somebody is saying, well, it's not that bad. Yeah. So what that suggests to me is that because as I understand it, Joaquin Phoenix had some ideas for this movie and was very active in putting it together. But maybe he thinks it was chewed up in the edit or something like that. Maybe. Yeah. We'll talk about the editing. Lady Gaga, she earned 12 million on this. Nice, not bad. According to the Daily Mail, Gaga is surprised by the response to Joker 2 and is shocked that people don't love it after the response it received

from critics before it premiered. She put so much heart into the movie and she has so much respect for the DC comic fan base. It's a beautiful PR. It's beautiful. I love that. I thought she was good. I agree. I don't think any of the performances are, it's not the, what's wrong with this movie? And you probably heard this, but the idea for the sequel came to Phoenix in a dream and he and Phillips bought the idea to Emerick, I assume is the producer on this. Holland Emerick? Yeah, sure. And I saw an interview with Todd Phillips where he talked about how maybe we're going to do this as like a limited Broadway show, like a joke.

Oh yeah, right. Sing song thing. a Joe Gerts sing song thing and then like a couple thousand people end up seeing it and that's it. According to Deadline, it wasn't tested before release and Todd Phillips was given final cut and they reckon that the Venice Festival debut may have cost them about $10 million. So because of the negative word of mouth that impacts the opening day, you know, word trickles down that, oh, it's a musical and it wasn't very well received and blah, blah, blah. That stuff can translate sometimes. I mean, obviously test screenings may have improved this, but also... Could they?

Yeah, but also like, what are they going to change? Yeah, exactly. If it's exactly, you know, to whatever degree... A courtroom drama. A courtroom drama that's also a musical that was Todd Phillips's and Joaquin Phoenix's idea. Like what came to him in a dream. What do you pull out of that? You know what I mean? All of it. You had an idea and you mentioned this after the show last week. They should have just done Bonnie and Clyde.

They could have done some Bonnie and Clyde stuff. They could have they could have escaped out of the... Yeah. Do a little rampage and whatever. Yeah. A runabout. Yeah like the more I think about it Yeah, that is a much better idea. I love ideas apparently time to be in a dream did it called life Whoa, yeah, cuz life's a dream to me and a highway or a roller coaster correct Todd Phillips wanted nothing to do with DC So James Gunn and Peter Safran notably didn't attend the premiere out She was interesting and the movie began production in December of 2022. This was two months before Gunn and Safran took control of DC.

And many expected the duo to provide notes and feedback, especially given the capital outlay, which by the way was $200 million. This movie again should not have been $200 million. I don't know how that fucking happened. It certainly doesn't look like a $200 million movie. No, you just borrow the courtroom from an episode of Law and Order, Criminal Intent or whatever. It's already there. It's in every week. I guess you have to rent the time because they're using it for SVU.

You've got to rent the time. Yeah, it's hard, isn't it? And they're filming five episodes a day. So yeah, that could be expensive. Apparently, Phillips balked at the idea, any idea of there being notes or feedback or anything, which you can do. Bork. Bork. Bork. After the first one, yeah, you don't have to take notes from anybody.

That's true. Yeah. Should have though. Yeah, probably. Should have but. Yeah. I think it's, I think, I don't, what I think the fallout from this might be is that directors with a singular vision like shouldn't be given the opportunity to make something. Because that's only afforded to very, those might be a Nolan or a Spielberg

or a Megalopolis director. I don't think this stuff helps. It just makes studios go, well, I'm a joker too. When, you know, I think the more interesting stuff, even if it doesn't do bad, if it does badly, is from singular visions often. Yeah. And some people say, well, you know, maybe they should let the studio and the producers take all the control, but I say put it somewhere in the middle. Yeah. Make everyone happy. If I were the head of, I would say maybe Warner Brothers. Yeah. I would probably take all the ideas, all the ideas and then I would come up with a solution that makes everybody happy, you know, with all the people making it,

the audiences. That's interesting. Do you reckon, like, if you ever ran for president of Australia, could you apply that concept? Would you take everybody's idea and find a solution? Yeah, because there's a lot of issues and people aren't happy about them. Some people want, you know, this thing to go one way and the other way. What would you do? I'd bring them together and I would say, how about we go in a way that makes everyone happy. Yeah, okay.

And that would solve those problems. Yeah. Yeah. Aren't you that would solve those problems. Yeah. Yeah. Are you worried that you'd do too good a job and you'd be locked into that role for the rest of your life? Do you think? Because people would just be cheering for more of your great ideas? No, because I'd probably just do a scandal and if I wanted to do a scandal.

You'd probably fix everything pretty quickly as well. Yeah. Fix it so well that you couldn't break it again. That's so true. Yeah. Yeah. as well. Yeah. Fix it so well that you couldn't break it again. That's so true, yeah. Yeah. So apparently also... That's a Mr. Beast reference. Yes. I'm familiar with his work.

The most famous man on YouTube. So look, people have also said that it's a slap in the face to all the awful nerds who liked the first one. Some people are saying that. Some people are saying that. I would never say that. I think it's a beautiful tribute to all the awful nerds who liked the first one. Some people are saying that. Some people are saying that. I would never say that. I think it's a beautiful tribute to a hero. To a hero, you the audience. But IGN spoke to Todd Phillips and he said, Joker was never about addressing toxic fandom, but it was about addressing- What was it about then? Well listen.

Phillips. But it was about addressing the idea of what happens if things get put upon you. Like we were saying just five minutes ago, but it's not actually, I don't have that context by the way. No, no, no, no, no. But it's not actually what you are. And then what happens in the worst case scenario if you find love. It's a $200 million equivalent of somebody pointing at a weird guy on the street and

going, that's you. You know, we're talking about that five minutes ago when something's put upon you and you don't like it. What do you do? You know? You go, that's not me. That's not me. That's you if anything.

That's your friend. It's your best mate actually. Actually though, it's you though. You said if you finally find love in your life or you think you do, but that person- That's your girlfriend. No! No! But if you finally find love in your life, or you think you do, but that person- That's your girlfriend. No! No! But, uh, you finally find love in your life, or you think you do, but that person is in

love with the character that you represent, or the person you are. So that's what it's actually about. You thought it was about toxic fandom or whatever. But it's about the other thing. It's about the other thing, yeah. Wow. Uh, the Wall Street- Which is in a way, it's...

I mean, it's... God. The thing he said is still like, toxic fandom in a way it's, I mean it's, the thing he said is still like toxic fandom in a way. Yeah no it is. The Wall Street analyst Dan Ives said this, this is a black eye for Warner Brothers. Ooh the Ives out. Yeah wow nice. The black eye for Warner Brothers at a key time with the industry expecting a hit.

The timing couldn't have been worse. So yeah they've had the Mad Max happen this year that wasn't good they had a hit with Beetlejuice but yeah they're struggling they're ST Raglan over there Warner Brothers but again they're praying to Saint Raglan they got it they got the DC stuff it's all gonna be fine yeah you're gonna. Yeah. Superman's not gonna crash and burn, it'll be fine. I don't think so. But I don't know, I haven't seen it. That's true. Yeah.

Anyway, the Joker 2. Huzzah. Yeah. Here's the Joker. You happy with it? Yep. Very much so. God.

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Hellboy the Crooked Man. It's pronounced the Crooked Man. The Crooked Boy. He's crooked as hell. This whole situation is crooked actually boy. He's crooked as hell. This is crew This whole situation is crooked actually. He said full of coins Mason is gone on a budget of 20 million dollars, which is long father lowest of all the hellboy movies It's made 1.3 million dollars at the box office. It went to streaming this week include and also some other areas of the world It came out theatrically here. Yeah, I saw it to the movies kind of them to do. Yes

I'm not sure of the streaming numbers, but it's safe to assume that this is the last thing they'll ever make from Hellboy. Maybe. They might do a streaming series in four or five years. Yeah, right, right, right. Maybe even a bit earlier than that. Or maybe people will rally.

Yeah. You know? People rally. People rally. They rally charter. I think Mike Mignola, creator of Hellboy, is happy with the response. He loves all of it. People are responding, he doesn't like the last one

No, he said I did like it. Okay. Well, I liked it too. Yeah I know me and Mike Mignola are on the same page glad two great creative minds. That's what do you think the story was? Oh, come on. All right. You're all right. Okay, so this I'm sorry to upset people, but this is a period piece It said in 1959 the past I mean it could have been sent anywhere, but yes Yeah, it could have just been set. Yeah, so now when your phone doesn't work, so you're in a spooky forest. Well exactly That's right. So it's 1959 so hellboy is Well, he was born in like the what the mid 40s. Well, here's the thing So if he was I reckon if he was like five when he came over to Earth, like in 1945. He was like 20 then.

He's like 19 years old. Doesn't look good, looks bad, already bald. I mean he stays this way though, doesn't he? That's true, yeah. So why not get all the aging out of the way? Get it done. Anyway, it's 1959. It's called the Patrick Stewart method.

That's for true. Anyway, Hellboy and Bobby Joe, who's a new character for this movie, they're on a train Yep, there's another guy, but he's gonna die. Yeah, don't worry about it. Yeah, don't worry about this There's a pursuit at man and he's like man. I'm in the BPRD Anyway, they're on a train and they're transporting some precious cargo. Yep. It's a it's a it's a creature They they captured and they need to study it back at BPRD headquarters Anyway, it uh, it gets gets a little rough. Yeah, because it's a spider. It's a giant spider

Yeah, and then the their carriage is flung off the train and they end up in Appalachia somewhere. Yeah JD Vance territory That's right, which I assume it's always like this. Absolutely. Ah, according to his book it is. Yeah, it's full of monsters Schumann's always liked this. Absolutely. According to his book it is. Yeah. It's full of monsters. And they get mixed up in something. Hellboy and Bobby Jo, they get mixed up.

They get mixed up in the comic book story, Hellboy the Crooked Man. Crooked Man. Crooked Man. Yeah. So again, this is a very low budget affair compared to the other ones. It's directed by Brian Taylor. From ACDC? Yeah, that's right. You might know as the director. I want to say he directed... compared to the other ones. It's directed by Brian Taylor. From ACDC? Yeah, that's right.

You might know as the director. I want to say he directed... You want to say he directed the movie Crank? He did. 2006's Crank. There you go. 2009's Crank High Voltage. And the movie Gamer, where Gerard Butler is a gamer. And Crank 2.

And Jonah Hex, famously good movie. And Mom and Dad. And Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance. And so on and so forth. Look, Crank and Crank 2 are very good. Sure. And I like Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance. I like Gamer. I think this might be his best work.

I think this is good. This is a good movie. I like it. I think it's definitely the idea that it looks like a fan property, whatever. That goes away very quickly. I think it's mostly the color grading during the day I'll tell you a bit about this. I think it does it looks a bit a bit off Uh-huh, but when it when it's when it becomes nice, and I think it looks a lot better

I think some of the special effects are not great like that giant spider in the train you see at the start It's like yeah, we don't see the a lot though. Yeah it's alright but in terms of an adaptation it's pretty much a straightforward shot at the Crooked Man. Yes with the exception of a bonus character. Yeah a bonus character. Her name is, I tell you this James, her name is Adeline Rudolph. Yes that's right. It's Bobby Jo Song. And she is new because I guess they needed a Hellboy needed somebody to talk to yeah in this and yeah, so they get mixed up in a situation. There's a man named Tom Who's returned to his? tiny little Jefferson white yeah, yeah good good good face. He's great in this. I really liked him

You wouldn't put him as like I guess he's kind of a lead He's not a but he wouldn't you think you think you put, I guess he's kind of a lead, but you wouldn't, you'd think you'd put like a Stephen Amell kind of looking guy, but not to say that he's a bad looking guy, but he looks like a guy. He looks like he belongs here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's, I mean, it's interesting because this movie sort of feels like a kind of, you know, backwards horror movie, but it just also, there's a guy here who can punch his way out of any kind of supernatural. He's not really bothered.

Yeah, it's like, it's sort of, you replace the final girl, like somebody running in terror from everything and, you know, they've made it to a small town and there's a lot of supernatural forces beyond their control happening. But there's just a guy who can survive a spear directly through the chest and has a giant gun filled with supernatural bullets. And he's like, I guess we're going to get through this. This is what's happening. Which I think is, you know, that's fun.

And then, you know, that is sort of the essential element of the Hellboy in the comic books. I thought this was a barrel of fun, James. It's pretty solid. I think also you need to come at it with, like bearing in mind the budget, bearing in mind what's come before. Yeah. I don't think you, you know,

you can't compare it to something like a $100 million Hellboy movie or any kind of $100 million movie. Or any kind of movie. Yeah, you just gotta look at it as its own kind of affair. Its own kind of situation. For when we call it best movie ever, you need to bear that in mind. That's exactly right. Yeah, I've always loved that when we call it best movie ever. You need to bear that in mind.

That's exactly right. Yeah, I've always loved that. Anything can be best movie ever. That's right. A $200 million dollar courtroom drama musical. This movie. The same. The same movie.

Yeah. I just love, and I love this about the character in general of Hellboy. Oh, Jack Kesey is great. I think he's a good Hellboy. I think the prosthetics are good He's not enormous, but he's he's big enough. You know, that's right. He's not like a towering monster He was black Tom in Deadpool 2. Yes. He was yeah people are probably wondering about the crooked man Yeah, so Tom who's our sort of human

Protagonist he has returned to this little it's not even a village, it's just sort of a... It's three houses and a witch. Yeah, exactly. Back in the day, he got into witchcraft and he made a deal with a crooked man. He summoned this being and he is sort of a... He's like a tax collector for souls. Yeah, absolutely. I was, I think in the past, he was a man who... Traded in slavery and various other things. Yeah, and he was sort of a generally awful man for money. And then he was hung for his various crimes and now he's back.

Yep. And every time he takes a soul, he gets a sweet little copper penny. Gets you once again. Yeah, he can, and there's also an evil witch. Yep. And a good witch sort of. Yeah, and the good guys have to survive

with these two sort of drawing the powers of the undead towards them. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, small cast, we've got the three protagonists, we've got a couple of witches, we've got a priest at the local church. Is he from? It's Joseph Marcel, he is in.

He's the butler in the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. Fresh Prince, right? Yeah. He's Jeffrey. Yeah. There you go. And there's also another version of him which shows up as well.

Yeah. Yeah, I think what's good about this version of Hellboy and like all, I like- He was in R version of Hellboy and like all I like He was in a rum pole of the Bailey. Was he? He's actually British I guess so. I like how casual Hellboy is There's a moment where you see Tom being lured by the crooked man And he's getting like closer and closer And then like you think he's gonna kind of been drawn into like his his web of like deceit and soul-stealing and Hellboy just steps Up and puts his hand out. He like no. You know just very casually like no no. You shouldn't do that.

Yeah Hellboy has some fun idiosyncrasies they've added for this. Cigarettes. Yeah he's when he's finished he's rolling his own cigarettes and when he finishes smoking one he eats it. It's just a just a demon thing I guess. It's the thing he's doing, yeah. I like how he didn't grow his horns back at the end. They didn't do it with all the... You didn't get a crown of fire and a giant flaming sword. There's a few things, what you find out about his past and where he's from and his parentage and history and all of that, but they never lean into the, and you're gonna ruin the world

and the world's coming to an end and this story's actually about you because this story isn't about him he's just here. He's 19 he should be in the club. Should go back to the club. Exactly yeah it's pretty it's pretty low key as well like the entire fair it's pretty like yeah it's very it's a very small contained story. It's more Silent Hill than it is big Resident Evil big action, you know what I mean? It did, yeah, it definitely reminded me of that. I mean, we're going to be playing some of the Resident Evil games, or four in particular.

Yes. Not four games, four for Caravan of Garbage. And it does feel like the opening of Resident Evil 4 where you're in this just this horrible little village Just gross stuff hanging about all of townspeople. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's definitely kind of that that kind of vibe. Yeah Yeah, um, it's also spooky. There's some like spooky I wouldn't say even like outright scares, but there's some unsettling kind of just an unsettling feel to the To the entire thing. Yeah, how do you feel about the action in this pretty solid? I mean again, there's no nobody's riding as a dragon or a yeah an eldritch nature beast from the

You know millions of years in the past or anything like that, but it's yet pretty pretty good. It's killing a It's hitting a zombie with a shovel. Yeah, that's right. pretty good. It's killing a, it's hitting a zombie with a shovel or punching a guy through a wall. Yeah. And I mean, you know, we, we get some, we get, we get a decent amount of kind of old world magic, you know, enchantments and deals with witches and magic bones and so forth. And I think if you are looking for a definitive, you know, rules of magic, you're not going to get that. I think that's fine though. You know, there's some vague, there's some vague ideas about it. So Bobby Jo, rules of magic, you're not going to get that. I think that's fine though. Yeah, you know, there's some vague ideas about it.

So Bobby Jo at one point, she is a BPRD researcher, she doesn't really do a lot of field work, but she's like, yeah, we got to look into this. And she has been sort of, she's not a witch or a magician or a sorcerer or anything, but she's been sort of working on the idea of magic. She knows how it works. She knows the textbook knows how it works. The textbook concept. At one point she learns, okay, well, she is talking to the good witch. Yeah.

And she says, oh, okay, how does magic work? And the witch says, well, you just think of the sad, I think of the saddest thing in my life as I say the magic words and that happens. And then, and that's sort of a rule that, yeah, Bobby takes into the, you know, the, the final act of the movie. Yeah, absolutely. You know, but beyond that, it's just, again, it's just sort of a vibe. It's a spooky vibe. Yeah, and Tom also can do a little bit of magic,

but he's like, I think that has something to do with the deal that I previously made, and I think that's kind of what helps me along. So his kind of idea of what magic is and what he can do is different than others. It's a vibes-based magic system. It sure is. Which I have no problem with.

Yeah, should we do a little bit of spoilers before we... Yeah, let's do a little bit of spoilers. Again, I think just, yeah, if it's on streaming. But I would say also, I think this movie does benefit from being in the cinema. Yeah. To me, it's a rare, I guess it's a rare movie to me that I would say, yeah, just watch it on streaming, who cares? It's not a huge movie. It doesn't... I think it's more of an atmospheric thing to say the cinema is. Yes, it's not huge spectacle, but I think atmospherically and if you're just there, you know, and you're not on your phone, you'll get a lot out of it, you know.

But you can't be on your phone because you'll be the only one in the cinema. There was one other person in my cinema. Oh, yeah. But I was there at 10.30 in the morning. Oh, yeah. What were they doing? On their phone. Were they really?

To TikToks, no. No, they were also watching the movie. Cool. That's good stuff, man. I'm going to say best movie ever. man. I'm gonna say best movie ever. Again, bearing in mind what it is. Yep. You know, if you're looking for the Guillermo del Toro version or whatever, this is absolutely not that. That's true. If you are a fan of the Hellboy comics, I think there's something to, this might be more along your... I think, man, I think it's a real movie. I think real movie real movie Wow This is it's uh, you know, I'm applying the Harry Styles a review system This is a it's like a real movie if you thought the trailer made it look like a fan film

I think it is way more than it's a real movie exactly. Yeah, I agree Cool. All right spoilers. I mean, it's not a ton to start. I hit him in the head and coins come out Yeah, that's right Yeah, like a parking meter. Yeah. Well, well Bobby Joe she she She gets the spider. Well, she gets the spider and then she cast the spell that That disrupts I think the the crooked man's connection to the earth Yeah, that is where the magic is coming from because we are we are we are situated the church and all it surrounds are situated on a Kind of network to the underworld. Yeah, I've a base sense. Yeah, absolutely

And so she disrupts that and the crooked man becomes more of a just a just a really old guy you can beat up. Yeah And boy do they yeah, I'm not sure who that actor was but I don't know. He was... I'll tell you who it was. It was Martin Bassendale who does not have a clicker. I was gonna say because he didn't have another thingamajig but I thought he was very good and he's clearly not a very old man in real life. Correct, yes. So God that's an incredible work. That's an incredible work. And is an incredible work. There's also a horse. There is also a horse, yes. Bearing in mind that if you're going into this, know that there is a horse. A is also a horse, yes. Bearing in mind that if you're going into this, know that there is a horse.

A variety called this a dull disorientating experiment. Variety did? Yeah. I think it is disorientating, but not in a negative way. I think it is just like, it is a skew and. Yeah. I mean, you're meant to, you're meant to be put into this world. They've been hurled into this world and they're lost and there's no cell phone

service because it's 1959 and that didn're lost and there's no cell phone service because it's 1959 and that didn't exist. There's no telephone landline service. Exactly. And you are meant to be sort of, you know, it is a small place in America, but it may as well be a million miles from anywhere else because they're surrounded by the undead, you know. And the undead, they don't like that.

Yeah, it's good. Yeah. You're a good man. Yeah, I do worry that this is kind of going to they don't like that. Yeah, it's good. Yeah. We're a good man. Yeah, I do worry that this is kind of going to be it for a while. Sure, yeah. But I don't know. Maybe they can make another one with an even smaller budget. Yeah, sure.

I think this is going to end up as a streaming, they're going to end up a streaming Hellboy show or a streaming Hellboy spinoff or something. Sure, yeah. Of BPRD and they hint towards him in the end of the first season and then they cancel it. Oh, so it's not even Hellboy in it. I don't even know. I mean they've already got the Hellboy makeup. It's true. Yeah, so. It's ready to go. Ready to go. As I said though, good Hellboy makeup. I think they could have easily like put a t-shirt on him. Yep. And not done the whole Hellboy ads torso thing. I mean he's ripped for 1959. They did it. Yeah, that's right. That's a steak and a milk.

That was a bloody good. You bloody know it. Anything else or should we move that along? Let's move it along. Yeah, I liked it. Yeah, me too. I liked it. I liked it too.

Two movies! Yeah, it's time for what we read and what we're gonna read. No, this is just the two movies section. Is it? Yeah. Oh, it's two movies. We're doing two movies. Okay.

Transformers 1. We're doing this properly. We're giving this the Good as gold treatment to Mason. Is that what we do? That's what we always do. Okay. Sure Everything gets a best movie ever. I don't have a lot for what we read what we're gonna read is all I'm saying You read absolute Batman. I didn't read it. You read it. I read it. I'll talk about it. Tell me all about it I'd love to So transformers 1 on a budget of 75 million dollars It's make it's made about a100 million so far, and it's

releasing in Europe at the moment, which is good. It is a shame though, this is not doing super well. It's relatively low budgeted, it was marketed a lot, but I think they didn't kind of aim that marketing correctly. It kind of comes off as a goofy kids movie, but it's Chris Hemsworth doing spicy wings or whatever and it's like, who is this for? And it's also, it presents in a way like the way it's animated that is this kind of Dreamworks Transformers affair.

And it's not really that. I think maybe I talked about it last week very briefly, but all the marketing suggests it is absolute bottom of the barrel. Yeah. Really basic storyline. And look, it's straightforward. Yeah. But the story-

I understood it. Yeah, the trailer suggests it's just, oh, it's boring being a transformer when you can't transform. Oh, we've fallen over in a forest and we've met a man who gives us the magic to let us transform. Let's have a fun time. Yeah. Oh, there's a bad guy. We better beat him. Yeah, we got it.

And then it's just that thing of like someone says something serious and then it's undercut with a dumb joke. Yeah. And that's it over and over and over again for, you know, 90 minutes. And that's not inaccurate. There is some dumb jokes. Yes. You like some of the characters more than others.

Yeah. But I think the story has more depth. Yes. I think it gets more interesting. Yeah, to be suitable for kids and teens, I think. I think teens might be more- Oh, you're getting ahead of yourself. What do you think the story was? Oh, come on. All right. Yes. I think it's more interesting. Yeah, to be suitable for kids and teens, I think. I think teens might be. Oh, you're getting ahead of yourself.

What do you think the story was? Oh, come on. All right. Yeah. All right. So it's Cybertron, planet Cybertron. Yep. Planet Cybertron. Planet Cybertron, the home of the Transformers, but not all of them can transform.

Not all of them. Because we've got a very rigidly structured cast system where you've got the Transformers, who are really big dudes who can't transform, but below them, you've got the Transformers who are really big dudes who can't transform but below them you've got mining robots who cannot transform they don't have the cog necessary to transform but the mining robots are mining energon because back in the day back in the olden times energon flowed all throughout you can get it anywhere you can get it at a corner shop you flush your toilet and there'd be energon in it. Put your head in there.

Yeah, that's exactly right. Get charged up. Yum, yum, yum, a toilet full of energon. Start me up. That's my favorite Spin Doctors album, by the way. Yum, yum, yum. No, a toilet full of energon. Anyway, but then back in the day, all the Primes,

they were the main big Transformers warriors, the 12 Primes, the big mightiest warriors, the biggest heroes, they were all lost in some big battle. And now energon does not flow. There's only one Prime left. Yeah, that's right. So Sentinel Prime played by Mr. Jon Hamm. Oh my god, he's so good.

So anyway, the miners have to toil away in the mines to chip out what they can find of the energon. It's a real Rick and Morty the Citadel situation. It is a little bit isn't it? Yeah. But maybe some of those mining robots dream of something more. Yeah Optimus Prime. Well he's not called Optimus Prime, he's called Red Robot. That's right. And his friend Grey Robot. That's right Red Robot and Grey Robot played by Chris Hemsworth and Brian Torey-Henry. Yeah. They're best buds. Yep.

You know, they're making the best of a bad situation. They're out there mining. They're always getting up to stuff. Getting up to stuff. Once dragging the other into whatever. That's exactly right. And they're not alone. There's also Alita.

And she's like, do better mining and be professional. Get back to work. I'm a girl. Stop being friends and roughhousing and having little in-jokes and doing fist bumps. Yeah. There's no time for that. There's only time for that. There's only time for mining.

That's right. Yeah. And later they may bumblebee. Yeah, easier than that. I think like you said, it's a little deeper and darker than you might initially think. There's some kind of, in the tradition of Transformers movies, a little bit of death. Yes, sure. Death and destruction and murders.

Or like, you know, really obvious fake out. You think they're going to die. Obviously, they're not going to die. Oh, there's that too, yeah. Just traditionally, they never really die for real. Sometimes people are just stabbed though to death. That also happens. That is true, yeah. My son thought this was the best movie he'd ever seen.

Interesting. He went in seeing this, he waited until I was back from the UK to watch it and he lost his mind. He was like, and afterwards he was like, I don't know what I've got to look forward to now. There's always other movies, don't worry. And he said, maybe a Hellboy sequel. And he said maybe a Hellboy sequel. Maybe a $1 million Hellboy sequel, I don't know.

There's moments where they meet, it was the prime that they meet, Alpha Trion. And he's like, God, I wonder what he transforms into. And then he transforms and he was like, oh my God! He got to see it. There's moments like that. He was just having the time of his life and the post credits and all of that is just, he loved it. He thought it was just incredible.

And I think it's pretty good also. It's probably the second best Transformers movie to Bumblebee. Yeah. Are you saying that at least in part because you don't like this version of Cybertron as much? No, I don't mind it. I think design wise, yeah, it's not my favorite kind of thing, but you do you do settle into it I think there I think the as it becomes more

Transformers II yes as it moves along yeah, and they get their powers and they find the cogs in the forest I find the cogs in the forest and they become who they're meant to be Oh, yes, I think it becomes that I really liked it I think again it it got stronger. If you're like a fan of like G1 Transformers or not even sorry, I should say like the traditional stories that are now told about these characters, like Megatron.

The biblical stories. The biblical stuff, but like Megatron is like, he's a gladiator and he leads his revolution all that. That's not here at all. I don't do any of that, but this is its own kind of narrative. I mean, thinking back, but under any of that. But this is its own kind of narrative.

Thinking back, you mentioned Bumblebee. I think the, this doesn't have that element to me that I enjoyed that when it's done right, live action mixed with visual effects and like putting the CG animated transformers in the real world, that to me is the pinnacle of it. Bumblebee got that mostly right. Having them be CGI characters in an entirely CGI, it doesn't hit as hard for me. I agree with

that. It doesn't, you know, to me, the joy of it is seeing the animated characters in the real world. Yeah. Or something that looks like the real world. Yes, exactly. Yeah. But I mean, it's still, you know, enjoyable. Do you think if you could just tweak the designs of the main characters to make them more like they were, say, in Bumblebee, do you think that would have gone a long way for selling this? Why would Bumblebee look like a Volkswagen? Not like that, I just mean like the face and all of that. Because there is a simplicity to the design.

You can maybe keep the simplicity but kind of shape them out more like they might traditionally look. More shapely. More curbs. No, no. Bigger butts. Be the same. Be the same. Yeah.

They all get bigger butts eventually. It is. It's kind of like that Star Wars The Clone Wars kind of animation where it's not done on the cheap, but there is more of it's a simplicity to this compared to what we normally see. How do you feel about the voice cast? Because you know, you're stepping in for Peter Cullen. Yeah, true.

I mean, he's mostly retired now, I think. He doesn't want to do it anymore. And and fair enough he's done it for decades. I mean... And you need someone younger. Yeah I think Brian Tyree Henry does a particularly good job. He's a good Megatron. He's my favourite. Chris Emersweth does a pretty good job. I mean the thing about it is Scarlett Johansson I think did alright but there's not really it could have been anybody. She doesn't get enough lines really to even you know The thing about it is Scarlett Johansson I think did all right but there's not really... it could have been anybody. She doesn't get enough lines really to even justify it being a presumably... what do you reckon she got for this? $10 million? $15 million? No, not that much. I think she got more than that.

Two or three. No, I think she got more than that. Maybe you're right. She didn't have that much to do in it though. I think, I mean, I liked, I thought the Bumblebee character had his moments. I think, because Keegan-Michael Key plays him. He has a good joke about all the different decepticons that are named Wave, which I quite liked. But I think they really overcompensated for, there's the Bumblebee who doesn't say anything. And so they went with the opposite of that. Oh, sure.

Yeah. The Bumblebee who never stops talking. And again, I think what Bumblebee did right, in particular in the moments where he was talking, he's just a guy. He's not like a wisecrackin' wacky kind of, he's just a pretty good soldier. But these movies do need a wacky guy who's gripping all the time. Sure. They could have put clap trap in them, couldn't they? They're from Borderlands, absolutely. I think the animation though is good in terms of like

the fluidity and the action scenes. I think all of that works, would you agree? Yes. So yeah, you do get some more interesting battles like towards the end there's like a Optimus Prime Megatron showdown at the end. Where did they come from? Yeah, I know, right? Which I think is quite good. Yeah, all in all, honestly, when I first saw this, I really thought, I'm not going to like this. And I did. I liked it quite a lot. Will it get a sequel?

I think it might because of its low budget, but it depends on streaming numbers. And I think it will probably do well on streaming. I know this week it was revealed that Dungeons and Dragons is doing really well on streaming. And I think considering the budget of this and I think it will gain some traction. So there's a chance we'll revisit this. Yeah sure. But I don't like go, I wouldn't bet any money on that. Well I would say, let's say best movie ever.

Let's say best movie ever. We're giving this the golden rule or whatever you say. That's right. Let's do some spoilers. Okay. Sentinel Prime is the bad guy again. Yeah of course you say. That's right. Yeah. Let's do some spoilers. Okay. Sentinel Prime is the bad guy again. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. So he was the... Well, he wasn't... He wasn't a Prime. He's not a Prime. He wasn't an original Prime, but it's revealed that he took the transforming cog from one of the Primes. Megatronus. He essentially sold out the Primes to the

Quintessons, who were an evil invading alien army who, depending on the primes to the quintessons. Yeah, who are you know, an evil invading alien army who depending on the continuity created the transports or didn't, or one of the primes created the quintessence. It's not important. Yeah. But he sold them all out and got them all killed except for Alpha Trion. Yeah, for a bit. And in and in exchange, he's you know, he's got he's got a chance to rule Cybertron and he is he has ordered all the mining robots to mine out the energon so he can give it give a lot of it to the quintessence and remain in power yes and so and and the big reveal I think is that that these mining robots weren't created without cogs they were created with cogs yeah and then the cogs are taken out so they can't transform

and they are sort of reduced to slavery essentially. Megatron doesn't like that. He doesn't like that at all. But he's not called Megatron, he's called AG-1 liquid greens or whatever. Exactly, that's right. He's called TI-82 graphing calculator. It's interesting as well, just as a design note the transforming robots are physically like twice the height Yeah mining robots, but then

Yeah, so so, you know our main cast acquire transforming cogs and they gain their their ability to you know, you know Transformers they were always meant to be. Yeah, and then they are They they They bloody fight back don't't they? Big time actions. Some of them have a couple of more Transformings. That's exactly right. Yeah. So what's his name?

Not Megatron. What's his D? D-16. D-16 gets Megatronus' Transforming Cog and he becomes like your traditional kind of Megatron. And Optimus Prime dies, we think. What? Because he gets shot. What?

And he falls into the center of the Earth. Damn. But then it turns out the Matrix of Leadership is in there and he becomes regular Optim center of the earth damn but then it turns out he's the matrix of leadership is in there And he becomes regular optimus prime very handy very handy for him Yeah, and then of course they defeat they defeat sentinel prime and they release all the cogs. Yeah now how does own cogs Release the cogs and they all fly out and they all all the mining robots get a cog Yeah, all of them even the bad ones

Yeah, you know even the right even the robots who've done crimes rotten ones. They all get it's took it their cogs. Yeah Nothing wrong with that. That's fine. I guess. Oh, yeah Do you think they should have stopped those like to swatted those ones out of the idea? So yeah, maybe yeah Not anybody anybody with a Cybertronian criminal record doesn't get their cog. Nah, they can get their cog. Get your cog, mate. Yeah, get your cog. Yeah, and this really does set up because it also introduced Starscream and Soundwave. They're like resistance fighters of sorts, which Megatron kind of take over. It was by Steve Buscemi, Starscream, which is a fun addition.

Yeah, I would like to have seen this, like take this further because the next time around, and I know this sucks because like it's an origin story where you just get to all the Transformers stuff and then it's like yeah well will we even see that in the next one now like the full-on Cybertronian war and all of that maybe we might get GI Joe versus Transformers first. So you think? Yes. Anyway that's it.

That's it isn't it? Pretty good movie. It's pretty good. Good movie. It's on streaming on the 22nd if you do want to check it out but yeah I'd say if you've got young kids in particular who like Transformers. Johansson got 12 million dollars. That is not true I do not believe that you do not believe it spoiler dot Bola vip.com. Oh, yeah. No, I do. Yeah, that's yes I believe that I thought I thought you would

Okay, fandom wire says Chris Hemsworth was allegedly paid eight million dollars more than Scarlett Johansson So unless he got eight million dollars and she got nothing. Yeah Fandomire says Chris Hemsworth was allegedly paid $8 million more than Scarlett Johansson. So unless he got $8 million and she got nothing. Yeah. He probably... I mean, that wouldn't... That's like most of the budget. Yeah, no, I know.

I think that's... Yeah. I think that's not true, but I don't know. Well, who knows. According to reports, Hemsworth was paid $20 million and Scarlett Johansson got $12 million. Okay. Well, maybe they did. Maybe I'm wrong for once. Maybe.

Yeah. Maybe. Oh, should we move it along? Let's move it along. What are we going to talk about? This time we're going to go, I'm pretty sure, to what we're reading, what we're going to read. We're giving it the golden treatment. That's right.

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Okay. Who's this out of? IDW? It's IDW I believe. Okay. But the backup issue is by Sal Cravelli who you might know. Sal Cravelli? From Comic know. Sal Cravelli? From Pop.

Oh yeah! Yeah, which is super cool. So he did the backup story called Buried Alive and that's going to be continuing on and all the other. Did you read this specifically because Sal from Pop? I would have read this anyway, but he did send me a copy which I didn't read. Great. As I forgot. Good friend.

I didn't forget. I was busy. I was busy because Clay's in Kenya. But then I bought it anyway because I'm like I wanted to support this Terminator story. And so his story looks at a Terminator who seems, it's focusing around redundancies. Okay. And like, you know, things that- He's been made redundant. He's been made redundant, yeah. Oh no.

Yeah, he's looking for a new work. Did he get a paycheck at the end of that? No, he didn't. Wow. And he's just going business to business and he's looking the managers in the eye and shaking their hands. Handing him a resume. But it's not working. Is it because he's handing the resume to like the underpaid 17 year old at the counter who

just goes, Oh, maybe apply online. Yeah. Anyway, love that. Love that he's doing this. I'm really excited to see where his story goes. But the- Sal from Comic Pulse story. Yeah.

I want to know what his life story ends up being. That's great. But the story, so there's a married couple and in the 70s or early 80s, a Terminator, like a T-800 comes after them and they end up evading it and hiding in the woods and then it just bides its time and then it rolls in 2018, 2019 and comes and finds them and it's all like mossy and fucked up and living underwater or whatever. And then they're on the run again and there is like a little twist at the end. So it's interesting because it's got like... Is it a twist that they were also Terminators? They weren't Terminators.

Oh okay. What I like is... Well then I can't think of another twist. It's got the ideas of the... And I think Terminator Zero did the similar thing where it's got ideas that you've seen before and concepts but it frames them in a different way. So it's not ideas that you've seen before and concepts, but it frames them in a different way. So it's not just Sarah Connor again. It's like, what else are the Terminators doing? What else? What else are they up to? Who else is in the world that they have to deal with, which will have implications for the future? Well, maybe not even, I don't even know specifically. It's great. I would 100% recommend it. I love the Terminator comics and I'm glad they're doing more of them because we're certainly not gonna get any movies anytime

So probably but I hope we do. I remember I watched something. What do you watch the first episode of the franchise? Yeah, I also liked the bubble which was that yes Well, no, you feel it's got a sign. It's got a similar feel the bubble was about You know an ensemble cast of people making a movie and going insane because they were in lockdown. But this is about the next instalment of a big... It's got a 70%. Yeah, it's based around the making of the next instalment of a big franchise thing. It's not really superheroes, it's sort of a vague sci-fi fantasy thing.

And sort of all the various, you know, it's sort of a, you know, it's a hodgepodge of all the various behind the scenes drama we've heard about. Yes. You know, we've got an auteur director played by Daniel Bruhl and he wants to have this, he wants this movie to have meaning and etc. You know, he wants to have to have meaning and themes and what have you in a certain look. But he, you know, he's constantly getting notes and he's getting kind of, you know.

Because it's bad? Yeah, well, no, but he's getting notes like, oh, you know, the fish people in this movie are very significant to the theme of the movie, but in another, you know, in a different movie, they killed off all the fish people. Oh, okay. So they just have to kind of get rid of them and just bring in green screen people and they're going to be whatever later kind of thing. Yeah, it's yeah it's a good cast it's got I'm all sorts Daniel Bruhl and we've got Billy Magnussen as one of the is like one of

the leads yeah the heroic lead and then we've got Richard E Grant as a sort of Ming the Merciless style villain yeah and well as an actor who's a Ming the Merciless style villain yeah yeah yeah good Good cast himesh Patel who people will probably know from Tenets he's in an old homes He's in that movie where the Beatles and something yesterday. Yeah. Yeah, we invented the Beatles invented the Beatles. Yeah He's great in and I think is sort of the the first ad who has to sort of get all the work done Yeah, but a bunch of great people, Aya Cash from The Boys. Oh yeah.

She plays that Nazi. Yeah, absolutely. And that's great, I think. And the lady from, the lady from Spaced, whose name is Jessica Hines. Oh, okay, I like her. I haven't seen her in anything in a while.

But yeah, it's sort of, yeah, it's a lot of fun. Again, I don't know how realistic it is to real life. They're just sort of, you know. Would you say it's a clever satire? I'd say it's a clever satire. Damn, that's awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, cool. All right. Well, I will check that out. It's actually got a 70% Rotten Tomatoes and that to me means more than what you said. Yes, good. I'm going to go with that. Maybe we'll talk about Absolute Batman next week. Okay.

Yeah. I got things to say about that. You got'll talk about Absolute Batman next week. OK. Yeah. I got things to say about that. Oh, you got things to say. Why don't we move along, though? Let's move along. Move along. Move along. Nothing to see here, folks. Everyone move along. It's time for letters. Yeah, man.

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You know you think probably the system's corrupt. I agree. You know people are doing it for payola and whatever. Yeah. But we're the only people with real reviews. We're doing it real. From real people that are real. This is an email from Joe.

Joe? Who says the best The Thing sequel. Hi James and Maiso, I heard you're covering The Thing for Caravan. Oh, what do you that from us? Yeah. When we said it? This guy, can you believe it? Maybe his friend said it. Oh. His friend, us. Yeah, that's us. We live here. I thought I'd let you know about a short story that was written by Peter Watts for Clark's World Magazine. Is this the one set from from the perspective of The Thing? Yes, it tells the story of the movie from The Thing's point of view Is this the one set from the perspective of the thing? Yes, it tells the story of the movie from the things point of view. For my money, it's the best telling of the story after the John Carpenter movie.

I haven't read it, but... Hopefully you've already heard of it and it gets a mention in Caravan and Garbage. It didn't, we forgot. We've recorded them already. If not, I hope you will check it out anyway. I think that's really interesting. Yeah. Is it...

Really interesting. Is it spooky or is this is the thing like, oh jeez these people keep bothering me. This one, this one bit me. No, you bit him. You bit him. These people have these things that shoot fire. I don't like it. I don't want to be using them on each other. Oh wait, yes they are. They're doing it. I guess that's good. Yeah. It's bit of fun, isn't it? It was good to revisit those movies though. One is better than the other, but I'm not going to say which one. The first one is better.

The first one is infinitely better. But the second one is not without its... Wow. Wow. Yeah, it's wow moments. Got some wow moments. James, you got to... I do, I absolutely do.

I absolutely do. I absolutely do. This one says, hey, it's from Bad Cat who who says you didn't mention the trailer for Mickey 17 in trailers Ahoy, if you haven't seen it check it out. I completely didn't recognize Rob at bat and bat in the role I know I guess we didn't toy I got the same email from John I got a no John it came out while James was getting killed by logs. What did you think? It was good I mean, I like the that's an incredible director obviously Oh, all of you know director parasite and other things the host is good snow pier director, obviously. All of his new- Bong Joon Ho from Who to Direct a Parasite, among other things. And other things, the host is good,

Snowpiercer, et cetera. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did that Okja, the one about the pig and whatever. I like, again, you've read the book, I think. Yeah, it's great. But I've not read it, and I'm just based on the trailer. So he's been killed 10 more times in this, because it's funnier that way.

Yeah, it's Mickey Seven in the book. So it's about a, I mean, what I noticed is that it is narratively quite similar to the movie Moon, but with more comedic takes. But in the movie Moon, spoiler alert, Sam Rockwell plays a guy who works on the Moon, doing various- Moon stuff. Moon stuff.

And then one day he discovers a copy of himself and he realizes that what happens is anytime he gets accidentally killed on the Moon- Or he ages out. Or he realizes that what happens is anytime he gets accidentally killed on the movie or he ages out of the role, they have a clone of him ready to go to continue his work. And he was not aware of that. And it is kind of tense. It's a drama, et cetera. And was it followed up in another movie? Was there a legal battle? Oh, isn't Mute maybe like a sequel sort of? Yes, it is Mute. Yes. It's not? Yes it is, it is Mute, yes. It's not really a sequel, it's more of a same world.

But there's like a news article about him. This guy went to the moon, he hated it. He's suing everybody. He's suing everybody who went to the moon. He sued McDonald's. He sued McDonald's. But Mickey17 is a similar idea, but he is aware that he is signing up for work in space knowing that it's terrible work and it will get him killed.

They just make a backup of him and replace him with like whatever his last memories were recorded they just reinstall them into a clone body. And it seems fun and you know there's a moment where in the trailer where they're about to dump his dead body into an incinerator And then it turns out he's still alive. Yeah, and he's like, yeah, it's fine. It's fine. Just do it. Don't worry about it Oh, yeah, it looks at just life. You know, it is it looks definitely wackier than The other than them than the book right, okay, which I think is not a bad thing I mean, you know, sometimes sometimes you want a slavish dedication to the source material,

but sometimes you want to mix it up, you know? That's right. Sometimes you, I think some directors and some creative people do better with, hey, if you want the book or the comic book, here it is. Yes. But if you want some, you know, and if you want exactly that tone, here it is.

And here's a new thing. Yeah, absolutely. Here's a new take on it, if you want a comedic version or, you know, and if you want exactly that tone, here it is. And he's a new thing. Yeah, absolutely. You take on it if you want a comedic version or, you know, what have you. I think, you know, and not everybody's on board with that. Some people like if you change anything, I'll kill you and then I'll die. I'll kill you and then I'll die in whatever order. But you know, I think I think it's in a lot of cases. And look, and maybe a big fans of Mickey seven like, how dare you?

Now you'll be right. OK, then they'll be right. Don't worry. Don't even worry about it. That's all that's all right. Yeah Is there anything else Mason you got another letter? Yeah, I've got to name one more email this from Daniel Daniel Joker says hey I'm walking here. Hey boys, just listen to your Joker 2 episode and keeping in line with comic book movies that are barely comic book movies I was surprised while watching the film to hear that the events take place not in the fictional city of Gotham, but just regular New York. Does it? Well, no, no, okay. This is a perhaps a misconception. Okay.

There's a moment in it where they say the state of New York versus Arthur Fleck. Oh, okay. So, it's not- I guess Gotham is- Gotham is within the sea of New York. Yeah. But that's interesting because canonically- That's very interesting.

Well, canonically- What coast is Gotham supposed within the city of New York. But that's interesting because canonically... What coast is Gotham supposed to be on? It's on the East Coast, but it's in New Jersey. Gotham is supposed to be in the state of New Jersey, although they mix it up sometimes. But yeah, he says, I can't even comprehend why they wouldn't just use the name Gotham in that one line of dialogue. I mean, again, I am pretty confident they say the state of New York, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did just say the city of New York because they really are

running fast and loose and it is just New York and it wouldn't surprise me if they just went out to find it. I mean again we did have a flubbed line in Megalopolis so it wouldn't shock me if these auteur directors are just like yeah you know what it's fine we could ADR that. Let's make it real. Let's make it real. Yeah. Anyway, Daniel says, anyways, I think both Joker films are of the same quality like Mason with Jurassic Park. I will not take constructive criticism. Have a good night. Yeah, we will.

We will have a good night. This is from N with an A to says, are the variety article on Toxic Fandoms, we talked about this last week and how they kind of catered to toxic fandoms by not necessarily doing the things that they say but by changing their marketing strategies, which is perfect. He said, the irony of it all is they could avoid upsetting fans altogether by simply making original content rather than using existing IP. And I just wanted to say, what are you talking about? That's madness.

What do you mean? That's madness. We are a long way away from that. Yeah. I mean, the past and the future. That's right. We're in an awful That's madness. We are a long way away from that. Yeah. I mean, the past and the future. That's right. We're in an awful middle ground where nobody will ever make anything original. Yeah, that's true.

For another decade. God. That's cool though. Yeah, I mean, yeah, more, I think a healthy blend of the two. But I think, and if I was the boss of DC and Marvel and it's all of them, if they made me the boss of all of those, I'd say, how about a healthy mix of original content and IPs? That's what I just said though. Yeah, but I'd say.

My idea. Right, but I'd say it in a way that brings everybody together. Would you at least credit me? I mean, I thought of it. You said it, but I thought of it before. You thought of it before. Did you write it down? I can write it down. Is that what you're saying? No, that's not what I'm saying. I'll write it down. You can write anything down.

Yeah. I will and I did. Yeah, I did. I wrote it on a piece of paper earlier. So you can't. I can't look at it. Well, you can't now because I don't have it on me. Okay. But also, you know, it's impossible to date stamp though.

What are you going to do? Carbon date my notebook? Could I? No. No. Because it's impossible? Yeah. Okay, great.

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Whatever you're doing. Yeah, whatever you're doing. Get in there. And if you do so, James will read it out. This is from Tumnus Prime. He says, awesome podcast. Highly recommend this podcast. There's a couple of great folks, blokes, talking nonsense for around 90 minutes a week.

First podcast ever got into and I've listened to every episode. Love this podcast almost as much as James and Mace O'Love Red Notice. We don't like that movie actually. That's a joke that we do. No, maybe this was a joke he did. That's right. This one's from Grammy, Grammy winning. From the Grammy Awards?

Yeah, Grammy winning duo, Milk Carlton, Carlton Kids. Brains Grammy winning do I'm milk Carl Carlton Carson kids brains are weird. Who's a milk cotton kids? No, wait, hang on. What do we got it? No, that's not who it's from. It's not from the milk. It's from Django himself There's a podcast best podcasts ever but it broke my brain I've been listening to these guys shoot read our comic book movie news all over the place for the years and just realized I've never seen a photo video of them So I asked my brain what they look like and discovered that they've been, I've been envisioning James and Maysell as the Grammy award winning duo the Milk Carton Kids. Brains are weird.

I don't think I ever want to find out what the boys look like so I'm leaving the internet forever. Do we look like them? Let me have a look. You know I've never seen what they look like. That's, yeah, too white guys. Too white guys? Yeah, oh yeah.

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It's about you. What? Yeah, we just, we just, yeah. It's good though, yeah? No. No? Did you at least say that idea that I had? Did you stall?

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Wow, must be nice. It is nice. Did you like the bit where the Penguin, like somebody was talking to the Penguin, and then he said something like, You think you're better than me. Did you like that bit? Did like that bit yeah, and that cuz the guy he thought that the guy thought that he was better than him Isn't it interesting that there are there are two Batman properties out right now neither which have much to do with the Batman, but one's really good

And one was the Joker too. Isn't that interesting? I think they're both really good I mean they're both best movie ever as far as I'm concerned. I agree anyway That's all show you think you're better than me. Well, I came up with that idea, didn't I? I guess you did. Yeah, that's right. Alright folks, we'll see you next week. Bye! Grab that chair, bye!

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