The Weekly Planet - 93 Ant-Man! And Suicide Squad
Episode Date: July 20, 2015With Ant-man hitting cinemas the world over we bloody talk about that.In addition to the new Suicide Squad trailer, X-Men Apocalypse, an Aladdin live action prequel and Constantine appearing on The Fl...ash. Thanks for listening! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Welcome back everybody to another episode of The Weekly Planet,
official podcast of ComicBookMovie.com
where we talk movies and comics and TV shows.
My name is James, also known as Mr. Sunday.
With me as always, my co-host Nick Mason.
Nailed it, first time.
Woo!
It's not the same this week.
It's not, is it?
No, it can't be anymore.
Comic-Con's over.
Is it though?
I'm still feeling the reverb.
We can talk about that.
Let's talk about reverb
reverb about what we missed out on from last week absolutely yeah we'll get to that though
do you want to talk about a live action aladdin film first no well good because this is a live
action aladdin prequel oh great that's even better so every prequel is great isn't that the rule every
prequel you know what do you care for rule? Every prequel. You know what?
Do you care for Disney reboots with live action,
but they're gritty and they're before?
Maleficent and bloody... Not Cinderella.
Cinderella's actually good
because they just told the story of Cinderella,
but they did it well.
I'm just going to let you keep talking.
It's a good film, Mason.
It's good for everybody.
Oh, yes.
But then you've got that...
What's that Mad Hatter one that Johnny Depp's wearing a dumb hat tim burton did it alice in wonderland i think
that's a sequel i don't know whatever it's all gritty retellings and i don't care for it but
anyway this movie is it's the origins of genies prequel live action so which means it'd have to
be didn't the genie say in Aladdin,
10,000 years in the lamp or whatever?
Oh, yeah.
So is that set 10,000 years before Aladdin, which is set like, what,
2,000 years ago?
It's set in the 90s, so, oh, boy.
So how's that going to go?
Yeah.
Like that's, what is there 10,000 years ago?
Imagine the shoulder pads 10,000 years ago.
Huge.
There's nothing going on there, though, is there, 10,000 years ago? Imagine the shoulder pads 10,000 years ago. Huge. There's nothing going on there though, is there?
10,000 years ago?
No, there was nothing interesting happen ultimately.
Although I suppose it would be quite similar.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just dirt and stalls.
Yeah, dirt and stalls.
Yeah.
Okay, great.
Is any part of you want to see that movie?
No.
Well, no.
And even then, is it the origin of the robin williams genie because if it is
do you cast somebody to do a robin williams impression live action or do you get like yeah
do you get a wacky guy do you make it a wacky genie or is it going to be a gritty genie like
or is he going to be i think they'd probably make it if i had to guess and we'll see it eventually yeah he'll be like like a young and
earnest genie like a kind of like a young and hopeful genie because they won't they surely
couldn't attempt to make it funny right these live action ones are not funny surely i'm trying
to think maleficent wasn't very funny correct and i didn't see the alice in wonderland one because
it looks like crap but again i think they'd be better suited to just make a live-action Aladdin.
Because like I said with Cinderella...
No, you can't mess with the classics.
I'm not even saying that it is a classic or it's a film that I love.
You're saying it's not a classic and you hate it.
I'm saying that and everybody involved with it, dead or alive.
No, what I'm saying is nobody's going to do a live-action.
Like Robert Williams just died. They're not going to do a live action. Like, Robert Williams just died.
They're not going to do a live action version of Aladdin.
It's not going to happen.
But if it's a prequel, do you think they could build to a live action version of Aladdin?
No, not at all.
I'm telling you, man, it could happen.
If they could remake Cinderella.
It sounds like Hannibal.
The TV show?
Yeah, we could do a gritty prequel TV series Of Aladdin that leads to the movie Aladdin
That would be fantastic
And it starts out real brutal and gritty
And it gets wackier and wackier until there are songs
But look, Kenneth Branagh did Cinderella
And I'm saying that's quite a good movie for what it is
Get into it, Mason
So get Branagh is what we're saying
Yeah, just get Branagh
I've heard there's also rumblings
that they're trying to
that they want to get
Branagh back
rumblings in the Bronx
yes always
but also they want to get
Branagh back for
Branagh
back for Thor
Ragnarok
okay
because you know
people didn't love
Thor the Dark World
I did
did you
look I go back and forth
right now
at this very second
I bloody loved it
you bloody loved it
yeah
yeah great ask me again at the end of the podcast I'll probably forget yeah I'll forget too there you go Right now, at this very second, I bloody loved it. You bloody loved it. Yeah. Yeah, great.
Ask me again at the end of the podcast.
I'll probably forget.
Yeah, I'll forget too.
Yeah, there you go.
Did you see the picture of Apocalypse Day that was released?
Yes.
He looks like a Power Rangers villain.
He does.
I was going to say, he looks like Ivan Ooze.
I got pictures just in case.
Oh, there's an actual Power Rangers villain that he looks like.
Do you want to see it?
Yes.
Okay, hang on.
This is great podcasting, isn't it?
We'll edit this out. We won't. Okay, hang on. This is great podcasting, isn't it? We'll edit this out.
We won't.
So this is him.
Yes, great.
With Olivia Munn as Psylocke.
Yep.
And this is Ivan Ooze.
No, I think you've mixed those up.
That's Apocalypse.
Oh, sorry.
Yeah, you're right.
I have.
Switch back to Ivan Ooze.
Yeah, that's Ivan Ooze.
That's Ivan Ooze.
You're right.
Next to Olivia Munn.
Yeah, correct.
Yeah.
Okay, good.
What's that? What are you doing? Yeah, it looks... You're right. Next to Olivia Munn. Yeah, correct. Yeah. Okay, good. What's that?
What are you doing?
Yeah, it looks...
It's interesting, right?
Yeah.
I mean, in this X-Men universe, they didn't make a giant juggernaut.
They put Vinnie Jones in a rubber muscle suit.
Yeah, so you'd think this version of Apocalypse would look a little more human, right?
Yeah, but this is like a weird mix.
You know what the problem with this suit is?
It's kind of all built up and there's a lot going on there and big shoulder pads and the neck thing
but then he's just got a regular human face yeah it looks weird i was expecting i was expecting
mostly normal yeah with the weird apocalypse lips yeah have the weird exactly line across
yeah but it's yeah just just a guy he looks like an accountant who's been spray-painted purple.
Storm looks pretty good, though.
Yeah, Storm looks great.
Yeah, definitely.
I completely agree.
What do you think of Olivia Munn's outfit?
Some people are saying it looks like cosplay.
Sure.
I mean, it's the 80s.
Yeah, it's the 80s.
It's fine.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, look, I'm sure it's going to be fine.
The leaked trailer that I saw looked pretty solid.
So last week, i think i said
yeah the reception from comic-con a lot of people were saying he looked really good but
he doesn't doesn't look very good does he no who was the last villain i think it's the same thing
with the sentinels but i i also feel that there's a there's generally speaking there's a map like
we've wooed about stuff at comic-con before. But there's a lot of, there's a massive amount of goodwill at Comic-Con, and it does tend
to fade, I feel.
Yeah.
There's a little bit of, people will woo anything, and then it's only later, once the hype disappears
and the vibe goes away, that people are like, now that I think about it.
That's the Phantom Menace effect.
Correct.
Absolutely.
Yeah, no, I think you're right.
You were saying about the Sentinels.
Yeah, Sentinels, Days of Future Past, like those designs, I'm like,
oh, I don't love them, just do the ones from the comics.
And then they're in the movies and they're live action, they're moving,
and I was like, yeah, good enough, whatever.
So I think this will be the same thing.
I'll be like, yeah, it's fine, whatever.
And it's also, the actor's name is...
Something Isaacs.
Yeah, Oscar Isaacs, who's in the New Star Wars and a bunch of other stuff.
So he's good.
And he's clearly gone through a lot of time and effort
to dress up like that.
Yeah, because you've seen Ex Machina.
I have.
And he's just a regular guy, technology pioneer kind of guy.
Beard and a singlet.
Yeah, beard and a singlet.
He's got the shaved head and the beard.
Just do that.
He isn't a singlet.
He's got the shaved head and the beard.
Yeah.
Just do that.
I expected more.
I think I expected more of a kind of ancient Egypt,
Jesus-y kind of Jerusalem kind of look.
Sure.
Not a weird Power Ranger.
Not a weird Power Ranger.
I think the reason he's done this, though, because Bryan Singer, he's teased the classic colourful X-Men costumes.
Not made fun of them.
Sure.
Not been like, how ridiculous some of them are. Yeah. So he fun of them. Sure, yeah. Not been like, how ridiculous.
Some of them are.
Yeah. But so-
So he sort of suits the 80s vibe.
Yeah.
But he's not.
He hasn't come from the 80s.
No.
He's come from ancient Egypt.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't disagree with you.
You're right.
I don't understand why he's purple in this.
He's not even purple in the comics.
He's grey.
He's got a grey, isn't he?
He's blue and grey.
Grey and blue, yeah.
But again,
well,
I'm outraged.
Ask me again in 10 minutes
how I feel.
What's the opposite
of a woo?
It's a boo,
isn't it?
It's a boo,
yeah.
Would you give it,
you might give it a boo
on the day.
We'll see how we go.
So there you go.
But again,
maybe it's a case of,
maybe they'll tweak
the colour a little.
Yeah,
maybe they'll CGI the mouth.
Yeah.
All sorts of things
could happen.
I don't know, man.
Look, the X-Men movies, the last three have been pretty solid.
That's true.
So let's say that.
Yeah, sure.
We have.
We've said that.
Also, he's got great 80s shoulder pads.
That's it.
Yeah.
Now, apparently the people at DC are very optimistic about Constantine,
the actor who played that guy in that cancelled TV show,
Constantine.
Will it be appearing on Arrow at some point in the near future?
There's a lot of casting news about Arrow recently. And some other things.
They've cast Mr. Terrific.
Very good.
What's he good at?
He's good at everything.
Hence the name, you bloody goose.
Yeah, but Mr. Fantastic isn't good at everything.
Oh, I see what you're saying.
He's good at stretching.
He's good at science.
He's good at being a bad husband and father. Okay, he's good at science. Yep. He's good at stretching. He's good at science. He's good at being a bad husband and father.
Okay, he's good at science.
He's good at bloody, he'll do an autopsy.
I could do an autopsy.
No, you couldn't.
Hypothetically, if I had someone talk me through it,
I probably could.
Mr. Terrific could talk you through it.
Yeah, exactly.
No, he's like a technology guy and he's got, you know,
10 doctorates and 10 black belts in martial arts.
Sounds like one of those fancy
bloody academics which i don't care for correct all his schooling precisely that is he like does
he have a superpower uh he's invisible to technology but i think that might be the suit
that he wears great yeah so like he can walk in front of a video camera i could do that with a
sheet i'm just wow his powers aren't very good now that i think about
well look i'm just saying yeah anyway uh he's he's echo kellum that's the actor who's playing
okay cool never heard of him me neither but i saw a picture looks great i think there was someone
else who was cast as well anarchy yeah that's it yeah don't know who that was either i don't know
who the actor was oh no but he certainly looked brooding yeah he looked handsome and brooding in
a generic cw way so they've already got a young handsome brooding. He looked handsome and brooding in a generic CW way.
They've already got a young, handsome, brooding guy.
Aside from the lead guy, but the guy who plays Arsenal.
And all the other guys.
All the other guys.
Except for the dad.
Yeah.
Yeah, he's pretty brooding though.
And Diggle.
He's not really.
No.
He's brooding, but he's not CW brooding.
More Diggle, I say.
They were talking about, remember,
there was rumour they were going to spit him off into a Green Lantern thing,
but I think that's not going to happen.
That's my understanding.
But Anarchy has been described as like he's a freelance... Hacker?
Hacker for hire or something.
I don't know.
No, he's like a freelance criminal for hire or something like that,
which isn't really Anarchy.
No.
He causes anarchy.
That's his jam.
He probably has like a business number and stuff.
Yeah. All those sorts of things.
Absolutely.
So yeah, Constantine appearing on Arrow.
Great.
Have we seen magic in Arrow before?
What are you saying?
I tuned out for a minute.
Are you saying the character of Constantine?
Yes.
Okay, great.
What did you think I meant?
Maybe just the actor playing another brooding guy.
Oh, okay.
Another brooding guy.
CW stereotype?
Yeah, sure. Why not? Yeah, the actor playing another brooding CW stereotype.
Yeah, sure, why not?
Yeah, the Lazarus Pit?
Yeah, I guess so. I mean, it's not really magic.
It's more like healing qualities.
Yeah, exactly.
Healing qualities.
And Ra's al Ghul is like 10,000 years old, as old as that genie.
So make of that what you will.
That's great.
I mean, you know what?
Maybe they should have gone Constantine in Arrow
and then tried to spin him off into a TV show.
Yes, exactly.
Maybe.
Because that's how the Flash works.
No, no, no.
Let's not see if this character has legs.
Let's just throw him right out there.
By all accounts, though, Constantine, not a bad show.
We'll never know, will we?
No.
All copies were destroyed.
Correct.
Did you see that weird Ezra Miller interview
where he talks about the Flash?
Somebody sent me the link.
I didn't watch it.
It's pretty good.
He's pretty enthused.
He's a weird dude, but that's okay.
Yeah.
He was really enthusiastic.
Was he fidgety?
Yeah, he was very fidgety.
Oh, great.
Well, that's what we need.
Yeah, yeah.
But no, he seemed...
It was an odd interview, but he was enthused.
And look, if I was a lesser man, I'd say he looked like he was high, but I'm not saying
that because why would I throw around those wild accusations?
I saw the thumbnail yeah do you think he's like a young johnny depp and that he's like oh i've got
a scarf i'm interesting you know what i mean there's a bit of that going on definitely but
you think he's a guy who just wears a lot of scarves or do you think he's like oh i'm gonna
be the new johnny depp i'm wearing a scarf i'm interesting i'm wearing a scarf. I'm interesting. I'm wearing a hat. I'm interesting. I'm interesting.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm in Chile or something.
Do you think?
Yes.
Do you think if you're interesting, you should just be interesting or should you wear dumb stuff?
Do you know what I mean?
Wow.
That's a real chicken and the egg situation.
I don't know how to answer that.
Interesting.
So yeah, basically, anyway, he talked about the Flash and he was very exciting and he's got a real enthusiasm for Batman and whatever,
but he also mentioned how that he loves the TV series,
that he thinks it's really good, which is great.
Because you would expect an answer like,
well, I don't really watch that because I'm interested in whatever.
Sure.
I don't even own a television.
I hate that.
I've talked about that before, but I'm not going to get into it.
So, yeah, good on him. Great. I know we pay him've talked about that before, but I'm not going to get into it. So, yeah.
Happy with... Good on him.
Great.
I know we pay him out most of the time, but...
Only 100% of the times we've mentioned him.
We haven't mentioned him that many times.
Yeah.
Seems like a good dude.
Did you watch the new trailer for Pan?
The prequel to Peter Pan?
The gritty retelling?
I saw it before Ant-Man.
Is there a new trailer?
Yes.
I didn't watch it. Great. Let's talk about a different thing then do you want to talk about the suicide squad trailer
yes now we talked about this last week we talked about the bootlegged version which was postage
size stamp size and whatever uh any new stuff about that that you picked up on didn't uh
wanna was it wanna brothers they're like the Their anti-piracy division or whatever was like,
oh, there's an unbreakable bond between the movie studios
and the people of Cobbacord that says,
we'll release these trailers, but you never bootleg them
and maybe we'll never come back because you broke the bond.
And everybody in the world was like, shut up nobody nobody believes that at all yeah well look i've
got a letter about it so we can maybe talk about a bit later if you want but yeah they did pretty
much do threaten the equivalent of taking our bat and ball and going home exactly yeah but yeah we
can talk about that later or talk about it now let Or talk about it now. Let's talk about it now. Okay, great.
Do you want me to read the letter?
Yes.
I'll skim down.
Okay.
Hey, Nick and James, just wanted to say I love the podcast.
This might seem a little ironic since I sent you to a video of the Rogue One trailer I took at Celebration
when it comes to releasing footage that is shown in Hall H at Comic Con.
I think it's a little unfair.
Even though we all chose to camp out for hall h hall
h i say call h i shouldn't that's an australian thing right there i think you should switch it
up every time yeah uh and we put ourselves in that situation it sucks when the studios release
the footage the same day or even a few days later marvel never does this i've been gone for five
years and all the great footage marvel shows always stays exclusive to comic-con for some time
it's our little reward and that is usually how they treat it.
So far, Fox has been doing that and not releasing the footage,
but DC does the opposite.
I just think that there's no point to showing us exclusive footage
when they plan on releasing it the same day.
Just my two cents, Cyrus.
There you go.
Thoughts?
Do you think it is unfair for the people who line up for hours
and I can do whatever?
Yeah, but I'm not one of those people, so who cares?
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, who cares yeah no he makes he makes a really uh a really good point i mean
i mean you can't stop people from doing this i think you just have to accept the reality of
the situation which is somebody will pirate it and it will go online and then studios can decide
how to tackle that you know whichever way they see fit. And look, I understand the rationale of like, well,
Batman v Superman is the bigger one.
Yeah.
We'll make that the event.
Yeah.
And we'll release that one and then we won't release Suicide Squad.
Yeah, yeah. It'll build a bit more hype.
But at the same time, it's like a three-day event.
Exactly.
Release one.
Yep.
Make that the big bombshell like on day one and people are like,
oh my God, there's no way they can top that.
And then you wait a day and then you release the next one and people are like, oh my God, we didn't way they can top that. And then you wait a day and then you release the next one.
And people are like, oh my God, we didn't think they could top that.
But then they top that.
Does that mean you have to do like two panels or?
Do you see what I mean?
Look, I'm an ideas man.
I don't need to work out these finer details.
I apologize.
DC can work out the finer details.
Good.
You should, DC.
That's what I was going to say.
I can't remember.
Look, I think they're always going to release it though
I think they knew
this was going to happen
and I feel like they just
didn't want to release it
the same day
is this the equivalent
of a passive aggressive
note on the fridge
exactly
wow
yeah
I don't mind you
drinking my milk
but if you could
replace it
that'd be great
like that kind of note
yeah that kind of note
yeah sweet
I'll bloody drink
all that milk
I don't care
I don't even like milk
I'll pour it out in the sink
I don't give a fuck.
What are we talking about?
Can't remember.
I'm going to have some water.
Okay.
It was cold in him.
Now it's hot.
I don't know what's going on, mate.
It's weather's all over the place.
You're going through a menopause.
I think I might be.
Yeah, Suicide Squad trailer, though.
We saw a little bit more.
We did.
In terms of characters.
Will Smith did.
Did anyone point out anything in particular that you might enjoy in that trailer?
Multiple times on Twitter?
Just over and over again?
Just a little detail that you might have enjoyed?
Just forever?
Look, there is the appearance of a man wearing a goat mask.
Or maybe he has a goat head.
And a man with a goat head is your spirit animal, as we know.
Correct.
And by literal form.
Yeah.
So, that was very exciting for me. Sure. To see. Correct. And by literal form. Yeah. So that was very exciting for me.
Sure.
To see.
Yeah.
It was a little bit, when it came up, I was like, huh, I'm going to get a lot of emails.
But no, that's really cool.
I'd like to think in some way, maybe it got through the universe, my image, and that's
how it got in there.
But I'd say it's just like a random weird thing.
Probably a weird coincidence.
Yeah.
It definitely is.
Who am I?
Bloody no one.
Just a man stealing milk.
You're not a giant eyeball, are you?
No.
Yeah, a lot of those masks are real weird choices, aren't they?
Giant eyeball.
There's a man dressed as Batman.
Another one.
Oh, like the animated series Batman.
Yeah, that was fun.
Which is really weird.
There's one with a baby's mask, like a baby's head, which is weird.
Because you wouldn't shoot at like a man wearing
a baby mask oh maybe you would just in case no just in case it was a real baby yeah you're right
yeah in some sort of weird man frame that's like that's a bloody thing the joker would do isn't it
that's right yeah that's how the president's got away with it in that movie about stealing and
extreme sports what's it called point break oh you don't want to shoot at the president correct
in case it is the president might Might be the president, yeah.
Then you have to go to special president's jail.
I don't know where that is.
It sounds bad.
Anyway, what else happened in the Suicide Squad?
Harley Quinn.
A bit more of that.
Yep.
What do you think of that interpretation of the character?
We see a bit of backstory with a Joker.
Yeah, we don't know the timeline yet.
No.
Really.
I feel like there's going to be flashbacks to like him torturing her
and turning her into
a Harley Quinn person
and whatever
I'd imagine
yes
yeah yeah
Enchantress
bit of that
she looks all dirty and weird
that's right yeah yeah
now I made a mistake
in the trailer breakdown I did
there's a bit where
I thought it was her
kissing Rick Flagg
oh yes
but it's not
it's like the
sorry I thought it was Harley Quinn
but it's Enchantress
so I'm sorry everybody I should make a Harley Quinn, but it's Enchantress. Oh, I see.
I'm sorry, everybody.
I should make a follow-up video, but...
Takes time, doesn't it?
I'm busy.
Yeah.
El Diablo, we see briefly.
Fireman.
Yes.
Does fire stuff.
Any thoughts on him?
Tattoos.
A lot of tattoos in this, aren't there?
Everyone's got a bloody set of tattoos.
Everybody's...
Yeah.
A lot of sweet bro action.
There's a lot of bro-ing down in this movie, I expect.
Slipknot, he's very briefly, I think he's going to die early on.
One of them has to have the bomb explode in their head.
Oh, absolutely, yeah.
And I think it would be him because he's in like one shot.
And he's not in that full cast.
No, he's not, exactly.
He's not in the full cast, so he's the cannon fodder.
Are you surprised that there's not a scene in the trailer where they all walk out? Are you surprised there's not a scene in the trailer where they all walk out in front of a police lineup?
And they're like, what are they, some kind of suicide squad or something?
From Guardians of the Galaxy, like they did that?
Well, that's been done, so not really.
But Will Smith does get the classic,
what are we, some kind of suicide squad?
Is he going to rap at the end or not?
I think that's my question. Is he going to do is he gonna rap at the end or not i think that's my question is he gonna do a suicide squad rap at the end when's he bringing the raps back i don't
think he's ever bringing the raps back okay in my mind he's he's in there's a parallel universe
somewhere yes and will smith there's like a there's like a compilation cd it's called the
pursuit of rappiness and it's and it's all it's all the raps that Will Smith would have done at all the ends of his movies that
he hasn't done.
Fantastic.
Because now he's a serious artist and he doesn't do it anymore.
Well, he did.
No, he didn't do it for...
The last one he did was Men in Black 2.
I was going to say he did it for 3, but he didn't.
I think they got Pitbull or someone to do that.
I can't remember.
Wow.
You want a kid-friendly Will smith rap i think he'll
only now do his old like raps on like the graham norton show or something yeah and it will go viral
and everyone will be like isn't that carlton shows up exactly everybody goes wild yeah exactly so i
think all i want is him to just rap a summary of what just happened in the film to the wild wild
west instrumental every time that's all Wild Wild West instrumental every time.
That's all I want.
Same instrumental?
Same instrumental every time.
What do you think started that?
Do you think it was Vanilla Ice in Ninja Turtles 2?
Do you think that's what kicked it off?
The idea that you get a person who's in your movie
to rap about that movie?
Yeah, I think it might have been.
Email us in.
Let us know.
If you can think of a family-friendly rap that summarizes a movie prior to the events of teenage mutant ninja turtles 2
secret of the ooze you email us in you let us know so the rapper though has to be in the movie
yes can it be a rap or can it be a song like prince in purple rain no it has to be a rap
good yeah very clear yeah all right. Killer Croc?
Yeah.
Looks good.
Looks good in motion.
Yeah.
I think there's some CGI going on there on that face.
Yeah, absolutely.
We're going to talk about CGI faces later, I feel.
Yes, we are.
Yeah, after the show.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, just over a molten.
Getting back to Deadshot, the common complaint of that is that it's will smith like he's not doing
dead shot he's just like i'm will smith i'm a family man you know we talked about that last
week didn't we yeah yeah look the last thing we should definitely talk about is um the joker
we finally got a good look at him uh we did yeah what did you think of that it's sort of growing
on me yeah um the tattoos don't really seem to be taking
center stage they're still really dumb yes but i don't know but if you notice like in that shot
they've actually cut out the damaged tattoo you can't see it on his head oh interesting which
could mean that they're going to digitally remove it right or just remove it in general or
they didn't want to show it because that would be really jarring to say that straight out.
So you don't think you went like, that's Heath Ledger light or whatever.
He's got a bit of the – it seems to be a combination of Heath Ledger
and Jack Nicholson.
It's kind of – it's a mishmash.
I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, sure.
I guess it would be hard considering there are two iconic portrayals
of this character. Well, three if you can, Cesar Romero. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, sure. I guess it would be hard considering there are two iconic portrayals of this character.
Well, three if you can, Cesar Romero.
I do.
Great.
What about Mark Hamill?
I do.
Yeah, okay, great.
Hamill, isn't it?
Hamill, yeah.
Like Hamill.
Yeah, sure.
Great.
Yeah, but I feel that the character is growing on me.
I don't know.
Again, I think they're shooting for a kind of like he's some sort of rock star kind of.
Yeah.
It's like Sid Vicious and Nancy kind of.
Yeah, sure.
Like they're these doomed lovers and whatever against the world kind of thing.
Except they're clowns.
Yeah, except they're clowns.
And he's this murderer, but at the same time he's got this charisma.
And so people sort of fall in line with that.
That being said, this is set in the same universe as Batman v Superman.
Yeah. That being said, this is set in the same universe as Batman v Superman. It's weird that in Man of Steel, like when these bad guys are showing up
and cities are being destroyed or whatever, nobody's like,
oh, this is like that time the Joker tried to blow everything up
with a massive bomb.
You know, the Joker who exists in this universe,
who's clearly existed in it for some time, like how's he been a secret?
How have all these characters been a secret for so long?
Like 20-odd years as well because it's all Batman, so he's been around at least,
well, let's say at least 10.
Yeah.
Like, I'm on board with Batman being an urban myth.
Yeah.
But how are they covering up the Joker for 20 years?
Yeah, you can, I guess.
I don't know.
Because he's never blown up Metropolis.
No, he hasn't.
No.
Maybe that's why people weren't that fussed about it,
because it had happened before. Sure, yeah. Again. Here we go again. It's not fussed about it because it had happened before.
Sure, yeah.
Again.
Here we go again.
It's not the clown, it's this guy.
Yeah, look, I think when you say Jack Nicholson,
I made this comparison in the video I did.
Yeah.
It's like Jack Nicholson, the shining Jack Nicholson.
Right, okay, yeah.
Because he even got like some similar lines.
Yeah.
The one line that he says is, it's not verbatim,
but it's very close to something
oh it's like uh in in the shiny he says i'm gonna i'm not gonna kill you but i'm gonna beat you
bash your brains out yeah there we go yeah yeah yeah it's a weird movie isn't it a little bit
yeah is that why he was cast as the joker originally yes actually there is a story behind
that yeah it's not a very long one is this your personal story yes it is so basically the year was whatever year it was yeah i wasn't born great but no uh basically uh one of the
producers or writers or whatever took a picture of jack nicholson from the shining where his face
is through the the wood paneling in the door and drew like joker makeup on it and was like
look at that that's the joker so yeah that's my understanding of it and
that's where the story ends it's not a good story love this did you a few people have written in
about a fan theory and his costumes in batman are very much like his clothes in chinatown i think
jack nicholson is just a mishmash of like one performance he did like in the early 60s or
whatever and they're like just keep building that
just do that forever
yeah
that's a really good point
sorry somebody wrote in
yeah I was going to say
somebody wrote in about
a theory on who the Joker is
oh a lot of people wrote in
a lot of people wrote in
yeah did you
did you take a look at it
yes
okay so basically
for those people
who haven't heard about it
we can kind of
do you want to break it down
yeah it's entirely theoretical
yeah absolutely it is
Andrew Dunn was one of the people that sent it in and this comes uh courtesy of dorkly
who um i think originally like a reddit post or something oh yes so anyway potential spoilers
for the movie that's out next year and this is probably incorrect probably not true it would
be kind of weird if it were true so basically the idea is that this version of the joker
is the second incarnation and it's jason todd right
and do you want to explain jason todd so in the comic books yeah uh we have we've had a series
of robins yes dick grayson the original correct he became nightwing correct the second robin jason
todd was killed by the joker he became being killed yeah he definitely became being killed
yeah now depending on the, he was either completely killed
and then he's resurrected through magic or changes in times
and dimension or the Lazarus Pit.
It depends on whatever.
Or he was never dead in the first place or whatever.
It depends on whatever.
What continuity we're doing this week.
What continuity it is.
Exactly.
So the things that point to him being potentially Jason Todd is,
first of all, we know Jason Todd or a version of Robin who has died
exists in this universe because we saw the Robin suit in Batman v Superman
and it's spray painted with,
ha-ha Batman, I killed your Robin in your face or whatever it says.
Implying that he's beaten to death.
Yeah, Batman sucks.
I love rap.
Sweet, sweet PT.T. rated graffiti.
Absolutely.
So basically then, the Joker, the Jared Leto Joker,
looks the way he does because the original Joker tortured him
and knocked all his teeth out with a crowbar or whatever,
which is what happened in the comics,
and basically tattooed all those ridiculous things on him.
Sure.
Which actually makes sense as to why you would have...
So many terrible tattoos.
Exactly.
And somebody made the suggestion, look, if he's got his teeth knocked out,
then that's why the Joker may have wanted to see him smile,
so he tattoos a big smiley face on his forearm.
There's a wing on his bicep as well, which could be a robin.
Oh, it could be a robin feather.
Could be a robin. There's a jester and a skull on his chest, There's like a wing on his bicep as well, which could be a robin.
There's a jester and a skull on his chest,
which someone said... Some of these are...
The bows get longer and longer.
It's all very tenuous.
And they get more so as they go along.
There's all the ha-ha-has
and sometimes young boys laugh.
Like Jason Todd, he was a young boy.
So it's probably him right that's the exactly yeah
that's how it goes so like uh yeah the skull is with the jesters had is like death and being
reborn as the joker and the teardrop on his eye looks kind of like a j implying that he's either
that he's jason todd but that could be a teardrop or it could just stand for Joker.
Because that's his name.
Because that's his name.
Yeah.
I guess the other thing is the version of Jason Todd
that appears in Arkham Knight also has a J burnt into his face
in that exact position.
And look, that's probably just a coincidence.
I mean, it's just a design choice.
But there's also the letter in there's
a lot of stuff that you know a lot of tenuous links i'm bringing here we go let's bring it
all together there's a letter solve this mystery the letter that uh the batman gets in the batman
v superman trailer says you let your family die right people are saying how could the joker have
sent that because that would mean that he knows who bruce wayne is maybe it's the red hood which
maybe if it's not the red hood it could be the version of the joker who is jason todd okay the other thing is and i think i'm not
sure if this was in the article maybe bruce wayne for like the last 30 years of his life has just
had like just a heckler just just mail him stuff and he's implying that it's his mom and dad like
you let your family like he's had he's receivedlying that it's his mum and dad. Like, you let your family...
Like, he's received this weird hate mail every day for 30 years.
And every time he's like...
I was a small child!
Why are you not getting this?
Yeah, the other thing is,
Robin has taken on the Joker's identity before.
Have you ever seen the...
Oh, the Batman Beyond.
Batman Beyond story. Return ofman beyond story return of the joke
return the joke spoiler spoiler alert for that as well tim drake is tortured by the joker and
turned into the joker yeah but he then ends up instead of killing batman he he doesn't then the
i think he kills the real joker but then later in the future it's revealed that tim drake had
like a microchip or something put in him that transforms him into the Joker.
So the Joker's still alive.
So there is valid precedent for this, yes.
Exactly.
Also, in The Dark Knight Strikes Again, that comic that everybody hates because it's not very good.
The villain, or one of the villains in that, is also the Joker, but's Dick Grayson, who's had some kind of weird surgery.
He's got weird nanotech and he can't die.
You're right, they've all been the Joker at this point.
So, look, it's probably not, but it's interesting.
Yeah.
Is it interesting?
Yeah.
That was really, with these headphones, that really hurt.
That's why I don't wear them, because I know what I'm going to do.
Who knows what I'm going to do?
That's what I know what I'm going to do.
True that.
All right.
Anything else on that?
No.
Yay or nay?
The theory.
How about this?
If it turned out to be true, would you hate it?
No.
Me neither.
Because it's a new continuity.
And also, I'd want to know what happened to the old Joker.
Is he still knocking about?
Yeah, yeah.
Was he killed?
What's his deal?
Who's he sending letters to?
Which is weird because when it was revealed that the Mandarin was not real in Iron Man 3,
I got real mad.
Yeah, but that's...
I don't know.
I think the reason maybe
you got mad
because of that
is because that wasn't
that guy was never
the Mandarin
in terms of
he wasn't really sinister
he was just like a joke
he was just an idiot
yeah exactly
that's true
so even though
this wasn't the original Joker
he's still a dangerous
lunatic clearly
yeah
good point
also I should mention this
but then why would
see I
you know why I'm not
going to buy it though
is because he's clearly got this relationship with Harley.
Okay.
And I don't think you can put that on another character.
I think it has to be the original Joker.
Maybe.
Or maybe that's the reason.
Maybe she doesn't like him.
No, but there's a flashback scene where...
From what I can tell of the timeline,
there's a flashback sequence oh yeah
where it's the joker in his fancy joker car okay he's being chased by batman yeah and then we see
harley quinn as harleen quinzel yeah like prior to her being transformed into harley quinn okay so i
and that's that's the jared leto joker yeah yeah so there can't be a romance there can't be that
weird bit where you know he makes her turn into har turn into Harley Quinn and it's not the original Joker.
That's a really good point.
I think it has to be the original Joker.
You just broke that theory enough.
Yeah, I did.
That's right.
Snap.
Snappity snap.
Unless he had surgery to look exactly like another person.
Oh, really good point.
Which is entirely impossible.
Yeah.
I think.
Maybe it's harsh.
Harsh. Yeah, they should do harsh hey yeah also there's actually a batman comic coming out or it might already be no there's no more batman comics
oh really yeah yeah because everyone hates batman right sick of him uh where the joke not the joker
batman sits on some kind of god throne and he asks questions like who killed my parents and he's like
yep joe chill got it and then he goes who's the joker and then you don't hear who what the chair says oh sure but he goes something like
that's not possible and then he's like huh and then he gets off the chair so maybe it is someone
he knows and loves or someone he knows and hates or just somebody he knows moving on somebody
doesn't know maybe it's no one he doesn't know maybe it's everyone he knows
is the joker broke that theory you did uh do you want to go spoilers and then no spoilers for ant
man let's talk about ant man because you say spoilers then no spoilers that's actually what
i've written here that's weird actually says spoilers and no spoilers great i'm gonna'm going to correct that even though I don't need to
because no one else is ever going to read this other than me.
No, I do that.
I'm very careful with my handwriting in like a notebook.
I won't do any weird, you know,
I'll make sure it all fits on the line.
Just in case somebody's looking through my stuff.
What are you writing in a notebook?
What are you doing there?
Do you have like a dream journal or something?
It's my dream journal.
Exactly. Yeah. Potential theories as to who the joker is and one everyone two jason
todd question mark three batman exclamation mark that's all i got it's all in my note but it's very
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Okay, so we're going to do non-spoilers people panicked out there yeah they're like i haven't seen it yet why would he spoiler first well maybe no maybe a lot of people
haven't seen it because this is going to do less than predicted the opening weekend listen they
thought 65 million it's going to do about 55 to 60 so i mean it's up against minions and whatever
oh sure um i honestly thought it would do better than that.
I mean, considering Guardians of the Galaxy.
Right, it was an unknown quantity.
And then it did really well.
Yeah.
And that had a raccoon in it.
Sure.
And a tree.
And a tree.
Yeah.
But this one's got.
It was like bloody grass growing.
Literally.
It was a tree.
Yeah.
And there was a lot of action.
It was in space
yeah it was amazing yeah so not like that really not really yeah uh and you know it's got paul
rudd and michael douglas and it's a marvel property so i mean that's still good what am
i talking about if it does do that that's the second lowest marvel opening though behind the
incredible hulk so there you go anyway let's kick off with things that aren't spoilers.
Okay.
I've got a letter to start.
I'm ready.
Or do you want to say something else?
I've got something to say.
Could you read the letter, please?
Hi, Mason and Nick.
Long time listener, second time e-mailer.
Just all right, man.
I loved it.
It was a little slow at the beginning, but it picked up at the end.
All in all, best movie ever.
However, it seems like there is so little hype slash excitement for this movie.
It was even a struggle to get people to go see it with me because they said it looked stupid.
Do you think that Ant-Man is able to relate to a wide audience?
If this movie does poorly, what do you think his role will be in the MCU?
Let's talk about it.
Thanks, guys.
Love the show.
From Tom.
Let's talk about it.
Yeah.
All right.
We might be covering some old ground here, but let's talk about it. Trailer we might be covering some old ground here but let's
talk about it trailer yep not impressed with it yeah you weren't a fan not at all it looked
like the the more and more trailers i saw of it the more and more it looked like a very generic
sure just marvel movie okay yeah just here's the formula he needs an origin story he needs to be
you know kind of a down on his luck guy and then he meets and there's some there's
some meets and then he gets the technology and then he gets the powers and then there's a villain
who goes crazy for no reason and then he beats the villain and that's the end well that that's
pretty much what happens yeah yeah but what did you think though were you impressed by it i liked
it yep i don't know if i loved it yep Yep. I'm in the same camp as you.
A lot of people have said this is one of their favourite Marvel movies,
even solo movies.
Huh.
Like Better Than Iron Man or Winter Soldier.
Wow.
I don't think that's...
That's not right, is it?
That's not right.
What's wrong with the people you're talking to?
Were you talking to them in a crazy house?
I was in a crazy house.
Were they taking crazy pills?
They were taking crazy pills. were they on the crazy train there was no train but there was a lot of toot tooting so probably because they were crazy that's what
i'm saying yeah yeah yeah all right uh well why don't we uh break it break it down in terms of
plot okay what do you think it was the plot what do i think the plot was
wow you've really...
We've raised the bar for movie
reviewing at this point, I think.
If you can
isolate that, and we can use that
as a grab for next time, the next time
we review a movie, it's just you going,
what do you think of the plot?
It's pretty
odd, Dave. Yeah, it's true.
Okay, so we've got Michael Douglas,
who was formerly the superhero called Ant-Man.
Correct.
He hid his technology away.
Yeah.
And now Darren Cross.
Darren Cross, right?
Darren.
Is it Darren or Darren?
I think it's Darren.
It's not a real name, is it?
No.
Anyway, Darren Cross.
Yeah.
His protege.
Yeah.
He's Tony Stark's protege, but reversed because
it's Oba Dice.
Anyway, so he's building his own Ant-Man-style technology, and he's going to use it to destroy
the world, probably.
So Michael Douglas, Hank Pym, has to get Scott Lang-
A new Ant-Man.
Recruit the new Ant-Man.
To do a heist.
To do a heist.
To steal the technology. Which, you know, I love. I love a heist.. To do a heist. To do a heist. To steal the technology.
Which, you know, I love.
I love a heist.
You love a fun heist.
Yeah.
Or just a heist.
Just a heist.
We'll talk about it in a minute.
Do you like the movie Heat?
No, it's no good.
I agree.
A lot of people like Heat.
It's no good.
The heist isn't as good as people say it is.
No.
It's a van and then running and using machine guns.
Yeah, they just run and then they get the money and then the cops are there and their
plan is just to shoot all the cops.
Yeah.
Bad, bad time.
That's not a heist.
That's a robbery.
It's a robbery, exactly.
Yeah, so Scott Lang is a...
Thank you for saying that.
So I'm just really...
It's fine.
Scott Lang is a burglar.
And there's the De Niro Pacino scene
that they're talking up.
Yeah.
But it's rubbish.
It's rubbish, yeah.
Because that was the first time
they'd appeared on screen together.
They'd been just...
Anyway, whatever.
It's just not that good.
No.
Anyway, the plot, I feel, is completely paint-by-numbers in this film.
Sure.
Yeah.
Excellent.
Any further thoughts on that?
Yeah, look, it's...
You know what?
The humour kind of moves it along.
It's brisk enough.
What did you think of the humour, actually, in the story?
Nothing...
Nothing fell flat,
which is often a day with this sort of thing.
Sure.
Um,
did you have any laugh out loud moments?
I generally don't laugh out loud.
Not even why.
Yeah.
Unless I'm kind of in a group and then you're kind of like,
I'm sure.
I got that one.
Ha ha.
That's a funny reference to something that I know about.
Ha ha.
Yeah.
Very rarely. Um, pretty solid. okay yeah fair enough did you enjoy that the michael pena character yes he was less see whenever we
get this we get it whenever we get a movie like this we do get some we get some wacky
miscellaneous wacky crew yeah and they didn't annoy me which is great okay yeah yeah yeah i
thought maybe he wouldn't because from the TV spots that I'd saw,
I'm like, yeah, I don't know about that.
But no, I really enjoyed him.
I thought he was quite whimsical and amusing.
But speaking of the cast, Paul Rudd was Ant-Man, one of.
What did you think of his face and personality?
I don't think they gave him enough room to Paul Rudd it up.
He felt like, I felt he was pretty decent.
There were places where I would have...
There were places where it's clearly
there's going to be the end to a scene
and it's going to end on a joke. You know it's going to end on a joke
because it's that kind of...
We're at that beat of the Marvel movie where
a scene's going to end on a joke.
And I expected a big thing from a Paul Rudd.
I expected him to Paul Rudd a little.
But he was bloody Rudderless, wasn't he? expected a big thing from a paul rudd yeah i'm expecting for paul rudd a little yeah and but he
was bloody rudderless wasn't he was just a bit of but he just he wasn't having a ruddy good time
thank you but he just like it just ended on it oh that was fun like i've yeah he's good and i like
him but you could have put anyone in that role okay sure really okay so i thought he was really
well suited but i i agree i think you should have given him more kind of room to yeah like and already
probably i'm glad he's in it yeah that's probably a bit harsh saying anybody can do that role yeah
i don't i don't believe that to be true yeah but what they were talking there was rumors of simon
pig i think we've been talking about on this show oh yeah yeah what do you think about that
also good but what i what i think I mean is there's not...
Paul Rudd's got a lot of great timing and comedic chops
and improv chops and stuff like that.
Why not take more advantage of it?
Absolutely.
You've got a really funny guy delivering some just regular funny lines.
Yep, I completely agree.
I'd agree with that.
What about Michael Duglay?
He's French.
Is he?
He's not.
No, he's not.
You're right.
Good, I liked him.
He's all American. Yeah. Can we talk about... I think we'll have to do that in spoilers. We'll. No, he's not. You're right. Good. I liked him. He's all American.
Yeah.
Can we talk about...
I think we'll have to do that in spoilers.
We'll have to do it in spoilers.
Okay, right.
Okay, cool.
I know what you're about.
But what did you think of him as the Hank Pym character?
A lot of people were like, why isn't Hank Pym the main guy and he's young and whatever?
Why are they...
I like the idea of this legacy.
Me too.
I like the idea that he was a proto-Shield,
he was a superhero operative prior to this current crop
of superheroes existing.
I like that callback to this past that we haven't really seen yet.
Like in the comic book Marvel universe,
there's the 1940s with Captain America and the original Human Torch
and Sub-Mariner and all that sort of stuff.
We've got the modern era,
and then it's got this big blank in the middle,
and they intermittently fill it in with stuff.
And I always think that's kind of interesting,
and I'm glad that they're doing it with this.
We've got Captain America, World War II,
we've got Agent Carter,
then we've got the current day Marvel Universe,
and we've got some space to fill in.
And I would like to see some more stuff put in there i completely agree yeah
apparently they're thinking about doing an ant-man prequel with michael douglas that really yeah i
would love that i read that i was gonna mention that a couple weeks ago but then i didn't
and i and yes that'd be michael douglas doing prequel stuff in the 60s we'll talk about how
they would might do that yeah let's talk about how they might do that, yes.
What about Evangeline Lilly?
Pretty good.
Didn't recognize her as Evangeline Lilly.
Hair?
Without the hair, yeah, exactly, yeah.
Because she's got the severe bob going on.
That's the bloody Hope Van Dyne, mate.
Yeah, it is.
No, the Janet Van Dyne.
It is the Janet Van Dyne, yeah.
The different Van Dynes.
Michael Peña, we talked about.
Yeah, she was good, sorry.
Yeah, she was, yeah.
She looked fierce enough enough didn't she
she'd punch a man in the face
she'd punch a man right in the face
yeah
yeah I liked her reasoning
she was you know
her motivation seemed
she's a little bit dim as to why
her father wanted her to do certain things
or not do certain things
which
we can talk about in spoilers
I'm going to write that down
I'm going to write
dim
that's okay Corey Stoll I'm going to write that down. I'm going to write dim.
That's okay.
Corey Stoll as the Yellow Jacket,
the man with a plan to destroy the world or whatever,
or to sell technology or shrink technology.
He was killing all sorts of sheep.
He's not very threatening.
Because he's just like mad?
No, but he was just kind of tall and gangly.
Okay.
He's kind of tall and gangly and they put him in like a very sharp suit.
Yep.
And he's very, like he's big.
Yeah.
But he'd get up in people's face and be like,
I'm going to take everything you like and I'm going to bloody shit on it.
Like he did a bit of that. I guess so, yeah.
But no, he just, he seemed too goofy to be threatening to me.
Like, I reckon I could take him.
Okay.
I'd go in low.
Ant-Man style.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Sweep him out of the legs.
Sweep him, exactly.
Go right down.
Okay.
Long way to fall.
Fair enough.
On your bloody egg noggin.
You know what I mean?
Do you think they missed a trick with making him the villain egghead
yes or egg foo or egg for sure which is i think egg foo's dc indeed yes yeah yeah look and do he
kind of he goes crazy which happens in a lot of these movies yes that is the class look that's
the problem with a lot of marvel movies there's's a weak villain. Yeah. And yeah,
there is,
again,
this is,
this movie is essentially Iron Man,
the first Iron Man.
And comes with that is a villain that goes crazy for no reason.
Now I'm,
I know you're going to say that there is a reason.
There still is no reason.
Once you explain that reason,
there's still going to be no reason.
We'll talk about it.
I'll explain that.
How about that? after these messages yes
anyway yeah yeah yeah yeah weak villain that's the guy's yep yeah even though I
feel like these motivations like he had a reason for doing what he did yes he's
it's still a weak villain. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Character stuff.
Interactions between different people.
How was that? You had all sorts of relationships forming, friendships made, bonds broken and reformed.
Was any of that true?
Oh, did it feel true?
Yes.
Did it feel real in my heart?
Yeah.
Oh.
No, just like superficially, I feel.
Oh, in your face.
Yeah, man.
That's right.
In your face, all the actors.
That's the thing about this.
I feel like a lot of it, it all works and it's all competent.
Yeah.
But it's not anything beyond that.
Like, it's fun and it's brisk and I enjoyed it.
Yeah.
But I can't help but think Edgar Wright would have done something much better with this.
People are sick of us saying this.
I know.
I know.
And look, and I even said that that's probably the way I'm going to feel.
Yeah.
And look, we're never going to get that version.
That's fine.
Whatever.
It fits in well with the universe.
But I'm just saying Edgar Wright makes things that are up here.
Yes.
And this is like middling.
Right.
Yeah. That's what I'm saying. makes things that are up here and this is like middling. Right, yeah.
That's what I'm saying. I also felt there was kind of some scenes that were quite jarringly obvious
that Edgar Wright had written these first.
Yeah.
And he'd been like, okay, we're going to have this set piece
and this set piece and this set piece.
Yeah.
And now I'll write the rest of it.
And they're like, no, do it this way.
And he's out.
Yeah.
And then all of a sudden they had to fill in with just some more generic stuff.
Well, we'll talk about him. Yeah. Well, the director came in two months and he's out. Yeah. And then all of a sudden I had to fill in with just the more generic stuff. Well, we'll talk about him.
Yeah.
Well, the director came in two months before they started filming.
Right.
So, yeah, you're probably right.
I think this was all, I think all the ducks were lined up.
Oh, yes.
And all the ducks were in a row as it were.
Is that the expression?
It's not important.
I'm just going to write which is which.
That will remind me to talk about the Edgar Wright thing after
because I'll forget.
Get your notepad.
Write it in your notepad as well.
This is going to take me a really long time.
I have to find the correct scale.
Yeah.
Action scenes.
Good.
That's all you're getting.
No, I think solid and some very good use of the shrinking mechanic.
I completely agree. I was a bit worried about where they were going to go with it. I thought good use of the shrinking mechanic I completely agree
I was a bit worried
about where they were
going to go with it
I thought maybe
some of the action
would be a bit pedestrian
but
pretty good
I agree
there's a
I feel like this is
kind of up there
maybe not up there
but it's like
it's almost as exciting
as seeing Spider-Man swing
or Iron Man fly
or Captain America
throw his shield
I'm not saying
it's necessarily as good
as any of those things
but I feel like it fits in that universe and it's unique.
It's not just a man just in a gunfight.
Do you know what I mean?
Sure, yeah, totally.
Yeah, so I definitely enjoyed that.
Oh, I thought you had...
No, I'm writing a note for later.
Okay.
This is just us killing time while we remember things
we're going to say in the spoiler part.
Correct.
So, yeah, so in terms of special effects, you were impressed
or the spectacle of it.
Yes.
Did you see 3D or 2D or 1D?
2D.
Good.
Not seeing it in 3D.
I'm done with 3D.
Well, I saw it in 3D on the IMAX.
Oh, yes.
On the big IMAX.
I think the 3D may have actually enhanced some moments.
I don't believe you.
Yeah, you're right.
Keep lying to yourself. Well, there's some depth kind of things't believe you. Yeah, you're right. Keep lying to yourself.
Well, there's some depth kind of things, you know, like when you-
No, there isn't.
You're right.
But let's say hypothetically there is.
Okay, sure.
Like when he's in the bath and you just see the length of the bath and everything's kind
of blurry in the background.
Like, I'm not saying it enhances it.
I should say it didn't hurt it.
Okay, sure.
Which it often does, which is more likely. By it, you mean your brain and eyes. Correct. It didn't hurt your brain hurt it. Okay, sure. Which it often does, which is more likely.
By it, you mean your brain and eyes.
Correct.
It didn't hurt your brain and eyes.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I liked all the action sequences,
as opposed to a lot of the Marvel movies that end with a big thing.
Like this ends with a really small, low-key battle that feels big.
Yeah.
But it's...
Scale's going all over the place.
Isn't it just?
Yeah, I think after Age of Ultron, I'm a little bit worn out of...
Bring it down a notch.
Yeah, bring it down a notch.
A massive, everything's exploding, everything's going to destroy the world.
Yeah, sure.
Absolutely.
Did you like the shrinking effect?
Yeah, but it wasn't that much to it, really.
I mean, it just got smaller, didn't it?
It just got smaller, yeah, exactly.
How far can you go with the shrinking effect?
About this far, about this high.
Oh, I see. That's the smaller it gets. You i see you make a little little small gesture making a little small gesture
i've got here funny question mark but we talked about that we said yes it's as see it's as funny
as a regular marvel movie i don't think it's as funny as guardians yeah okay fair enough see i
think guardians had had the advantage of it got real James Gunny.
Yes.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.
And this didn't get enough Edgar Wright-y.
Exactly.
To stand out the way that Guardians did.
It's interesting that, yeah, that they went, okay.
Because I feel that, like, the tone was set by maybe Iron Man.
Yeah.
But that was very Robert Downey Jr-y.
Yeah.
And to some extent John Favreau-y.
So why can't the other ones, why did they all have to follow that tone?
Why can't they all take the-
I agree.
Yeah.
I completely agree.
Why can't they all take the tone of the director or the star or whatever?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Look, I think it was competently directed.
Yeah.
But yeah.
I mean, it's hard to come in on a project two months prior and then pull this
off.
Yeah.
Like, it's a miracle that it's as good as it is.
Sure, exactly.
So, yeah.
Should we get into spoilers?
Let's get into spoilers.
Actually, I've got here a funny question mark.
You mentioned that.
We literally just did that.
No, Best Movie Ever.
Yeah, I liked it.
I have to go with Best Movie Ever.
I liked it.
Yeah.
Certainly wasn't the worst movie ever.
Certainly not.
That's The Expendables 3.
Yeah.
Or Entourage. You know what? the worst movie ever. Certainly not. That's The Expendables 3. Yeah. Or Entourage.
You know what?
It's Entourage.
It is.
But Entourage at least was entertainingly bad.
Yeah, it was a car crash of a film.
It was boring.
It was a really expensive car.
Entourage was a really expensive car with doors that opened backwards car crash of a film.
It sure was.
Spoilers.
Okay, here we go.
Or we could call it
what's our famous
spoiler section
hey remember that bit
when this happened
yeah exactly
there you go
what's a bit that you thought
was good
okay here's the
here's what we
one of the things
I wanted to talk about
is that
this is the witch's witch
that I wrote down right
like which is the Edgar Wright
which is the
oh yeah let's talk about that
oh really
what's the other thing
no I was going to say
we were talking about weak villains before.
Okay, go.
So the thing about it in this movie is
because in Iron Man,
Obadiah Stane goes crazy for no reason, right?
He's a normal businessman.
He's got some shady business practices.
He's got some links to terrorism.
Sure, but he'll also bring you a pizza.
He'll bring you a pizza,
but then at the end,
instead of locking Tony stark out of the business and then making millions on this
battle suit or whatever he's just like i'm gonna steal your technology just get in on ironmonger
suit i kill everybody whatever like don't do that he'll kill a family of four in a car
just go and lawyer up and then just engage in a prolonged legal battle with Iron Man, with Tony Stark.
It's not going to...
But in this one, again, Cross goes mad for no reason.
And you're going to say he didn't go mad for no reason.
Yeah.
Because the pin particles...
Exposure to the pin particles.
Exposure to the pin particles made him go insane over time because that is what happened to Hank Pym apparently.
Sure, sure. Pym Particles made him go insane over time because that is what happened to Hank Pym apparently. Sure. But the thing of it is, is that why would he go insane?
Why did none of his other researchers go insane?
Like he's got a lot of other, there's a lot of lab techs.
Why did none of them go?
He spent most of the time behind a pane of glass.
Yeah, you know what?
He seems like a quite normal guy.
Yeah.
Up until this, like the couple of days span of this movie
where he goes properly insane, right?
Yeah.
But also, I guess these pin particles,
I can't explain why the other people didn't go crazy.
I guess maybe he's more hands-on than we led to believe.
I thought you were going to say more handsome.
He's more handsome.
That's definitely not true.
Yeah.
Big gangly egg man.
I know, right?
He's not a bad-looking guy.
He's better-looking than both of us.
But here's the thing about the...
We keep going back to Iron Man because it's the same movie.
But in Iron Man, Obadiah Stane cannot miniaturise the arc reactor technology.
So he literally steals it out of Tony Stark's chest and leaves him to die.
In this movie, Cross hears about these rum of this Ant-Man, this technology that can
shrink a man and then he can be a superhero or soldier or whatever.
And then he goes, that's really interesting.
I'll build that.
And he does it completely on his own.
He doesn't steal Hank Pym's technology.
No, you're right.
He just goes in and he uses his own scientific genius to build his own technology.
And then Hank Pym's like, hey, he's done a thing that I did.
Steal it and then destroy it and then destroy his whole business.
Do that, Scott Lang.
Why don't you do that?
It's like if you went, oh, I built this missile
and it was really dangerous, so I hid it away.
But then somebody I know built a similar missile.
You should blow it up and destroy it.
No, it's none of your business.
You're right.
That's a really good point.
Get away from it.
Unless it was built off the back of some,
maybe he did give him some tech, but didn't give him.
That being said though,
if you went mad because you were exposed to Pym Particles
and then you knew somebody who was working on Pym Particles,
even if you didn't want him to develop the technology,
surely he'd go,
hey, I don't know nothing about this shrinking stuff,
but you might want to wear some protective gear
while you're working on it
because it might be dangerous, wink.
Yeah.
But he didn't.
Don't breathe it in.
Yeah.
Well, I guess also they were different Pym particles
because they were yellow.
Oh, they were yellow and not red.
He'd used a different food dye in his.
Yeah, I guess that's true, yeah.
Yeah.
He used cornstarch, not red cordial.
Yeah.
No, all of those are valid points.
Yeah.
Weak.
Weak.
It's weak.
It's weak sauce.
No, fair enough.
Yeah.
So, yeah. Yeah, okay. I agree, yeah so yeah yeah okay i agree i guess which is
which okay which is which here we go i'm ready okay uh top of the top of my head the scene where
uh yellow jacket and ant-man are fighting in the helicopter they both shrink down they fall into a
briefcase yeah briefcase falls out of the helicopter and then they're fighting in the
briefcase yes and the music yeah and then they're fighting in the briefcase.
Yes, and the music.
Yeah, and then he's like,
I'll disintegrate you
and then the Cure album plays.
That's Edgar Wright.
That's Edgar Wright all over the place.
I completely agree.
On the flip side of that,
I think the scene where he fights the Falcon
was forced in.
That's Peyton Reed.
That being said, I liked that scene.
Me too.
That was maybe my favourite action scene.
Yeah.
I thought it was really funny and really clever.
Yeah.
And it's a guy, they didn't, it wasn't overly one-sided.
Yeah.
And it wasn't, you know, it was a guy with a lot of training.
Yeah.
Who's a fully-fledged superhero.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
Versus a guy, he's a soldier or whatever,
versus a guy who has this new technology that the Falcon doesn't.
Yeah.
Like he's never seen it before.
Yeah.
And he's sort of doing the best he can versus this untrained idiot
who clearly thinks outside the box a little bit.
Yeah.
Like it wasn't completely, like neither of them got flattened.
No.
You know how there's the kind of the, in comic books,
like if you want to introduce like a badass character
who's real cool and tough.
Yeah. You have him fight Wolverine and win.
Yeah, yeah.
That's the thing.
So it wasn't just you introduce Ant-Man
and he flattens the Falcon
and that's it.
Yeah.
Like it was clearly...
Because then it would be like,
why is the Falcon in the team?
Exactly, yeah.
So, yeah.
Exactly.
You're right.
Yeah.
But I did like a lot in the scene
where he shrunk down
and he's like,
okay, I'm real small.
He can't see me.
And Falcon's like,
I can see you.
That was good. Does that mean you can hear him as well, okay, I'm real small. He can't see me. And Falcon's like, I can see you. That was good.
Does that mean he can hear him as well?
Maybe.
I don't know.
So does his goggles do that in the comics?
They must.
I don't even know if he has.
Like he's got a mask in the comics.
Yeah, you're right.
I haven't read anything with a Falcon in it in a long time.
I think he's just got regular eyesight.
Regular eyesight.
Yeah.
Good for him.
Yeah, cool fight scene. I think he's just got just regular eyesight. Regular eyesight. Yeah. Good for him. Yeah, cool fight scene.
Thought that was cool.
I think,
and it didn't overshadow it
by putting in like
a Captain America.
Well, he is in it later,
but like,
he's a lesser known Avenger.
Yeah.
I think you could have used him.
You could have used,
I'm trying to think,
you could have used maybe
a Black Widow or a Rhodey or a...
I don't think you could have used
Black Widow.
No?
No.
Because she would have beat him up.
Scarlet Witch maybe?
Yeah, okay.
Yep, yep, yep.
Vision you couldn't
because he would have,
I don't know, atomized him or whatever. Yeah., maybe? Yeah, okay. Yep, yep, yep. Vision, you couldn't because he would have, I don't know,
atomized him or whatever.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Good point.
I'm trying to think.
Who else is there?
I don't know.
Quicksilver's dead.
Doesn't matter, does it?
Yeah.
You couldn't use War Machine because he's an armored villain
and he has to fight Yellowjacket later.
Oh, okay.
So you couldn't have him fight another armored character.
Because the battle between Ant-Man and Yellowjacket
has to be self-contained.
Yeah.
So if he learned how to defeat Yellowjacket
based on fighting War Machine, it wouldn't work.
Yeah, you're right.
He learned how to beat Yellowjacket
by listening to a story that he once heard.
Correct, he did.
That's right.
That's how you do it in the comics.
What did you think of the flashback stuff?
I liked it. Me too. Hayley Atley atwell yeah great even in the 80s even in the 80s so good she would have been like 70 odd probably like 60s yeah still got it yeah as a woman who's
pretty hot and really hot in real life with some aged makeup let's talk about it the michael
douglas de-agifying I thought it was great
I thought it was amazing
right
it's the best I've seen
they've done it
they've finally done it
because we had it in
Terminator Salvation
it's pretty good
pretty good
we had it in
Terminator
the last
no wait
Terminator Salvation's terrible
yeah
Terminator Genesis
not bad
not bad
pretty solid
X-Men 3
weird and waxy
garbage Tron Legacy I liked it but you thought it should have been Terminator Genisys. Not bad. Not bad. Pretty solid. X-Men 3. Weird and waxy.
Garbage.
Tron Legacy.
I liked it, but you thought it should have been more CGI-y.
Because, no, I think they should have explained it that way.
I think they should have explained around it how it's not exactly Jeff Bridges. Okay.
But this, it's done really well.
Looks like young Michael Douglas.
It's bloody dead on.
It's bloody Disclosure Era.
I can't think of another.
The game era.
I think that's mid-90s.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Although I did notice, I think you can sort of see the anchor points.
Yeah.
Where they've scanned his face and gone, okay, well, you need the cheek here, cheek here, mouth, whatever.
You can see them moving and everything else follows slightly up.
Sure, yeah, I'd agree with that.
So it's a little bit creepy.
Yeah, it's not... Okay follows slightly. Sure. Yeah. I'd agree with that. It's a little bit creepy. Yeah.
It's not.
Okay.
We said perfect.
Yeah.
But it's,
it's almost as good as we're going to get.
I feel.
No,
I think they'll get to the point where you won't be able to tell.
Okay.
Yeah.
Then again,
did you say the winter soldier with,
well,
you did say,
I know you've seen it with Haley Atwell,
where they make her super old.
Oh yes.
That's pretty bloody good as well.
Yeah,
but old is easy.
Take that. That's all you have to old. Oh, yes. That's pretty bloody good as well. Yeah, but old is easy. Take that.
Just wait.
That's all you have to do, ultimately.
Yeah, good point.
Yeah, he looked great, though.
Yeah, he did.
Do you think, we were talking about prequels,
do you think you could watch that for two hours?
Absolutely, I could.
Huh, okay.
The young Ant-Man, Michael Douglas,
like mid-80s or whatever, running about, definitely.
I would love to see that. They're not going to do it. I'd be Michael Douglas. Yep. Like mid-80s or whatever, running about. Definitely. Okay.
I would love to see that.
They're not going to do it.
I'd be very surprised.
Yeah.
But no, it was sweet as.
Yeah, it was good.
I'm glad we finally come to a consensus on weird CGI de-agifying.
I've got an email here.
I was going to leave it to the end.
It's from Keegan.
Am I the only one who's annoyed at how Marvel keeps switching their actor for Howard Stark?
First, it was the guy from Iron Man 2.
Then it was the guy from Captain America who looks and sounds and acts totally different, by the way.
And now they go back to this guy.
What the hell, Marvel?
Pick a Howard and stick to him.
This is the guy from Mad Men, right?
This is John Slattery.
Yeah, so I like John Slattery.
It's fine.
But you're right.
They're completely different.
They are completely different. They are completely different. Like the Iron Man 2 and this guy,
he's a very serious family man
and he's all about the business or whatever.
And then in Agent Carter, he's like,
Woo!
Woo!
I've got a speedboat.
I've got a speedboat full of women.
I'm throwing hand grenades.
Everything I build can kill everyone
i don't even care yeah you're right yeah and they look completely different like different
shaped head different heights yeah just everything but i guess they kind of they
backed themselves into a corner with that didn't they yeah i guess they were well i guess they
never expected i didn't they probably didn't expect young Howard Stark
to ever need to come back.
No, exactly.
It was that one scene in Captain America
and then never again.
And then, like, well, Agent Carter's out,
so we need Howard Stark back.
What did you think of the scene
where the original Wasp dies?
I thought that was a really cool scene.
More of that, mate.
Pretty good.
Okay, so...
I thought it was,
it wasn't very,
it wasn't very humanizing though.
Cause you didn't see her.
We don't see it.
She's just in a,
in a wasp costume.
She's there and she's like,
Oh,
I'm dying.
Boo.
I'm gone.
Whatever.
Also we're talking about,
Oh,
he won the battle.
Cause he learned,
he remembered a story.
Yes.
There was a little,
it's subatomic. Yeah. There was a, there was story. Yes. There was a little, it's, it's subatomic.
Yeah.
There was a,
there was this weird element.
We're talking about how it's inferred that he went crazy because of the
Darren cross went crazy because the pin particle,
we don't see him go crazy.
We don't see him snap at any point or like breathe in over a big vat of
pin particles or whatever.
We don't see that.
So that's inferred.
Yeah.
But then there's a bit of hand holding in the fact that
Michael Douglas is like
oh we couldn't crack the shell
because it was made of titanium
so I had to go to subatomic levels
or whatever
and then at the end battle
Yellowjacket's like
you can't crack my suit shell
it's made of titanium
ha ha ha ha ha
does he actually say that?
yeah he does
he says you can't crack it
it's made of titanium
and then he's like
that's an Edgar Wright line
if ever I've heard one
yeah boy
some just just some last minute exposition He says, you can't crack it, it's made of titanium. And then he's like... That's an Edgar Wright line, if ever I've heard one. Oh, boy.
Just some last minute exposition, just so you know.
Yeah, and then he's like, oh, but I remember that story.
Yeah, so it was... Yeah, you're right.
Weird hand.
I didn't like that at all.
Yeah, fair enough.
Bad.
I completely didn't hear that.
But you're right.
He should have just done it.
Yeah.
Yeah, because that would...
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anyway, whatever. Or he could have seen the bloody tech specs of it or Yeah. Yeah. Because that would... Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, whatever.
Or he could have seen the bloody tech specs of it or whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He just made a Titanic.
It doesn't matter.
Yeah, exactly.
All of those things are good points.
Did you notice Evangelina Lilly is like,
why can't I be the Ant-Man?
I'm bloody good at it.
Look at my haircut.
Yeah.
Or whatever.
Uh-huh.
And it took Paul Rudd to point out and be like,
hey, the reason he doesn't want you to do it
because he hates me and doesn't like me.
And so if I die, it doesn't matter.
Yeah.
Like, surely she would have, like, figured that out.
Or he could have said it.
Well, he did.
Oh, Hank Pym.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He could have said it straight up.
Listen.
Yeah, you're right.
I like you because you're my daughter.
I don't want you to die.
But if I get some random idiot and he dies, it doesn't matter.
Look at this ex-con.
You know, the guy you didn't trust or like?
We'll get him to do it.
And then if he dies, who cares?
It should have been like, great.
Yeah.
Because right now I don't like him.
I won't make out with him later, as far as I know.
So, yeah, just do that.
Yeah, you're right.
Again, it's one of those.
He could have told her that.
Like, why didn't he tell her that that's how her mum died?
It's one of those family dramas that could have been solved
with a post-it note on the fridge.
Exactly, yeah.
Passive-aggressive one.
Correct.
Like, it's, yeah, he could have been solved with a post-it note on the fridge. Exactly, yeah. Passive-aggressive one. Correct. Like, it's...
Yeah, he could have told her that years ago.
I mean, because she'd clearly...
She'd sided with Darren Cross.
And then...
Can't be right.
And then comes back to her father.
And that would have been the point where he's like,
Listen, this is how it is.
Or that could have been the reason why she changed her mind or whatever.
This plot is very simplistic, but also a mess.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Fair enough.
Hey, remember that bit where...
Oh, here's the witch's witch.
Yep.
The bit where Hank Pym's keychain has a tag on it.
I was going to say, that's Edgar Wright, right?
That's Edgar Wright all over, except they didn't do anything with it.
No.
And also, if you drove a tank...
As soon as you saw that tank, were you like, that's a small tank?
That's a small tank, yeah.
Yeah, that's exactly it.
And it's very Edgar Wright that the keychain was still on it.
Yeah, that was great, yeah.
But they didn't do anything with it.
Like, I expected them to charge...
Like, it might as well have just been a big boulder.
Like, it doesn't matter, because they didn't drive it anywhere.
And also, if you drive a tank,
if you're in a tank and you drive it off a second-story, like, balcony,
you'll die.
Yeah, it will mash you up.
The tank will probably survive, maybe.
Yeah.
But you're in a tank.
It's got a lot...
If you've ever been in a tank, there's a lot of sharp edges in there.
There is a lot of...
They should really smooth those edges.
You'd be dead.
Yeah.
So, I don't know.
I'm expected to see a little bit more.
Okay, fair enough.
Could have been a car.
Could have been anything.
Could have been a tank.
No.
Couldn't have been a tank.
Couldn't have been a tank.
Couldn't have been a tank, though.
What else would he have in that keychain?
Also, how's that tank working?
Actually, you see it in a flashback.
It's the same...
He steals it, yeah.
He steals it, yeah.
Did you notice a lot of the flashback stuff from when he was that footage was different from the
trailer like i'm finding with a lot of these movies now stuff that's in the trailer is not
in it like it'll either be like little quips yep or it'll be like i think in the in one of the tv
spots he says to the falcon iron man was taken but i don't know if he says that in the movie
no he doesn't maybe he does no uh you see I don't know if he says that in the movie. No, he doesn't. Maybe he does. No.
You see him kind of, you know,
he does that old mission where he takes out Cuba or something.
Right.
Where he gets the tank. All of Cuba.
Yeah, that's not archival footage.
You kind of see him kind of do it a little bit.
You know the bit where he's controlling the ants
for the first time in the car?
Yeah.
In the trailer, and I remember this because I thought,
how was he controlling the ants?
He's not wearing the helmet.
They put the little earpiece on him for the movie yeah so either
they cgi'd it out or cgi'd it in for the for one or the other i reckon they cgi'd it out for the
trailer yeah because otherwise people would be like why is he wearing a hearing yeah exactly yeah
yeah i think you're right um yeah no there's there's some clips kind of there's the scene
where he's like my days of breaking into places and stealing stuff is over.
What do you want me to do?
He says, break into a place and steal some stuff.
And in the movie, in the trailer, he's like, oh, that makes sense.
Yeah.
But in the movie, they've cut that line out.
Okay, yeah, yeah.
There's also the bit, he says when he's fighting the Falcon,
like he introduces himself.
Yeah.
And he's like, I'm Ant-Man.
Yeah.
In the trailer, he's got the line i know it
wasn't my idea yeah that's cut out that's not okay right i can't even remember yeah don't worry it'll
all be back in the dvd it will yeah i'm trying to think there's anything else start yourself off i
remember that bit where i remember that bit where where he used his shrinker rangs and grower rangs
oh yeah that was a little unclear. Yeah. I felt.
What they could do.
I'm shooting a lot of this movie down.
I had a lot of fun.
This is the nitpicking segment, I feel.
Sure.
It was unclear how many he had.
50.
He did not have 50.
He said, I have 50 of these.
Did he literally say that?
Okay, good.
Whew, relief.
Or how big they'd make something.
Or how big they'd make something.
Or how long.
Because at one point he throws the shrinker one at Yellowjacket,
who has shrunk for a while, and then he's just fine again.
I guess he can...
Right, but clearly he's unable to...
It makes him unable to grow back to normal size for a while.
But at no point does he break it off himself or throw it away
and then he's capable of changing back.
It's just...
It's a good point.
Did he throw a shrinky one or a growy one
when he was in that glass container to get out?
Must have been a growy one, right?
Yeah, I don't know.
What did he throw it at?
The glass.
Oh, either.
Somebody email in, was it a shrinky one or a growy one?
I think it was...
It was blue.
It was blue, yeah.
It was blue.
He definitely threw a blue one.
That was...
I was trying to...
I was thinking, which is is that i don't remember like as the movie was
going i couldn't remember which one was right which one was uh was which did you like how he
shrunk the lamb then he like turned into a weird goo and we shot that guy in the toilet he did
shit yeah yeah yeah yeah it's pretty good that okay. Yeah. Do you think he'll play like a massive role in the future
considering the post-credits scene?
Well, first of all, there's a wasp.
Evangeline Lilly's character is going to become the wasp.
I like that wasp suit.
I think it's cool.
Yeah.
But what about the Civil War teaser?
The Civil War.
Oh, I think he's going to get 10 minutes.
There's going to be a lot of people in that movie
yeah do you think he'll turn up in like free bucky from the yeah yeah that'll be it that scene is
actually lifted directly from civil war i noticed it was a lot grittier yeah boy was it look i liked
it a lot i want more individual individuality in these movies I don't want a bit of personality
exactly I don't want cookie cutter Marvel movies
like I understand
again that they fired Edgar Wright because
maybe he wanted to take in a direction that would not have worked
and it would have brought down the whole universe or whatever
I understand that but if you don't
want that don't hire him in the first place but that being
said they did hire him like 2006 so
before this was like
it's taken any kind of kind of
direction but the reason that like civil war and guardians are probably the best phase two movies
are because they're very unique visions and they've got their own style winter soldier yes
i'm sorry what did i say civil war yeah because they've got their own unique style and and
directors and whatever and they're clearly their own thing. Yeah, yeah. And this is that,
but at the same time,
it's kind of Iron Man again,
but it's not...
Well, because Winter Soldier's kind of a heist movie.
Winter Soldier's an espionage film.
Guardians.
Guardians is your space opera.
This one's a heist movie.
Yeah.
I didn't think it was heisty enough.
No, there wasn't.
It was one heist.
It was one heist.
Oh, there's a couple of heists. I think the heist was fine yeah yeah I thought I think it could have
been heistier that's all I'm saying also I think that Russian computer hacker guy could have been
Peter Serafinowicz I get the sense that if he if he wasn't already a character in Guardians of
the Galaxy he was killed yeah would have got him yeah do you want to be a creepy Russian hacker
guy to be like yes absolutely I do he would be. He really would, wouldn't he? He's the best.
Yeah.
But I think also the reason they let James Gunn run free with Guardians is because Guardians doesn't affect everything else.
Yeah, that's true.
This does.
Yeah.
Even though it is a smaller story.
Somebody needs something shrunk or unshrunk.
He's your man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you're making 10 Minutes in the future.
Do you think we'll see a Scott Lang sequel?
Sequel?
Sequel.
Yes.
You know what?
We were talking about the interactions between the characters.
I would like to see the three main characters again.
Okay.
Like as a team.
I think that would be good.
Yeah.
Do you think maybe like...
Well, there's a really good comic called...
I think it's Ant-Man and the Wasp.
And it's Eric O'Grady and Hank Pym, which is pretty solid.
Which one's the wasp?
Hank Pym.
He takes it on because his wife died and he was like, I feel sorry because I hit her at
that one time.
Yeah.
He really can't escape that.
Actually, there's a guy called NerdSync on YouTube.
He's really great.
He did a video on whether Hank Pym really hit his wife.
He did, it turns out.
But that panel was initially supposed to be
he kind of throws his hands up in kind of despair.
Oh, and he hits her by accident.
And he accidentally hits her.
But the way he drew it was like,
well, I can't really draw this properly like that.
So we just had her full on clocking her.
And then that has followed him forever.
Right, okay.
And it's been redrawn a number of times
where it's definitely like he's, you know.
Just laid butt on her.
Even by accident.
Look around when you're flailing your arms in rage.
All right?
I think that's probably the most,
interesting isn't the right word,
but that's probably the most defining,
one of the most defining things about that character.
Not in a good way, obviously.
I mean, he created Ultron, but they can't do that
because they did it and Tony Stark did it or whatever.
But yeah, that gives him an interesting backstory because he's a terrible person.
Yeah.
Have we talked about the microverse?
Yeah.
It's called the quantum realm.
It's called the quantum realm.
I think Fox owned the microverse.
It's interesting that everybody just rolled with the term quantum in the movie.
Nobody's like, what do you mean the quantum realm?
Who says realm anymore?
So it's another dimension?
No, it's just a real shrinky fight is it though because in the comics isn't it also a different dimension or something probably who's to say depends on what week you're reading a comic
there's apparently a well the rumor is that the easter egg in there you see eternity in there
oh the embodiment of eternity yeah it's all time and space and everything and whatever.
So you can kind of see a shadowy figure of a man.
And you hear Michael Douglas.
Eternity.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
There's a lot of that.
So it's probably him.
Don't mess around with the regulator.
Regulator.
Regulator.
Yeah.
The dimension also contains Warren G's regulators.
There's some other Easter eggs.
They're all pretty good.
I did a video on it.
If you want to check it out, Mason, don't.
Or do.
I won't.
I won't.
Got some other letters here.
Anyway, I was going to say, when we zoom in on the micro...
Oh, yeah.
Sorry.
I thought we were going to zoom in on a little...
It looked like a little garden city, like a garden planet.
Okay.
But maybe that's...
And then it zoomed beyond that like he
shrunk beyond that and i thought maybe that's where janet van dyne is just a little garden
little garden world but then if it is a shrinky shrinky world how did she get on that exact
molecule or whatever it's a good question without to be a different dimension all right fine god
you're saying it is dumb dimensions i didn't invent any of this quantum realms you and your
bloody quantum realms how dare you yeah i like. I like the show Quantum Leap.
Not true.
Never seen it.
Anyway, I read Keegan's letter.
Oh, yes.
I read two other letters we've got.
Two more letters.
Preston.
I just left the theater after seeing Ant-Man.
What a bunch of fancy names we've had this week.
I know, right?
Preston and Keegan.
What a fantastic movie.
Really love the fusion of comedy, action, and serious elements and Marvel content we love.
It exceeded my expectations quite a bit.
There you go.
My expectations were met.
Me too.
Actually, you know what?
They were exceeded because I was expecting it to be balls.
Yeah, I was expecting it to be balls.
And it was, look, I had a good time.
Me too.
I did.
Yeah, we have torn it apart, but on the whole, yeah, no, I really, really enjoyed it.
Isaiah says.
I really enjoyed it.
I didn't really, really enjoy it.
Okay, settle down there. Isaiah says... I really enjoyed it. I didn't really, really enjoy it. Okay, settle down there.
Isaiah says,
Hey, James.
Hey, Nick Dickhead Mason.
It's a bit harsh.
Did you add that in?
No, he's written it here.
Wow.
I mean, maybe I changed it.
Maybe you did change it.
Who's to say?
I really enjoyed the film.
I thought it was pretty solid on most aspects,
but I think I know what major parts of the movie were changed
that led to Edgar Wright's leaving.
Leaving, the obvious being the Falcon fight scene,
which was very cool, but pretty slurperfluous.
Slurperfluous?
It was slurperfluous.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I guess it didn't really add anything to the story.
It showed that he could fight, I guess.
It showed that he could fight.
It showed we're tied to the larger world,
which I guess you have to.
I did like that line in it
where
Hank Pym's like
we've got to stop this guy
and Scott Lang's like
just call the Avengers
yeah
why wouldn't you
you would do that
in this universe
but then he was like
fuck those guys
yeah
those guys I've literally
never met
that have
definitively said
that they have no link
to S.H.I.E.L.D. anymore.
You know those guys?
You know a bit I did like?
Yes.
Where at the start in the Michael Douglas flashback where he's young, that agent's like,
well, maybe if you were more careful, this wouldn't happen to your wife.
And he just grabs his head and slams it into the table.
That's what you could do in the 80s.
I love it.
You could just assault a man who insults your wife in the 80s.
Yeah.
You can't do that now.
That was pretty good. Occupational health and safety. They wouldn't let you do that at S.H.I.E.L.D. wife in the 80s. Yeah. Can't do that now. That was pretty good.
Occupation of health and safety.
They wouldn't let you do that at Shield.
No, they wouldn't.
Yeah.
It's all Hydra anyway.
It's interesting that Hydra's still around.
Yeah.
I mean, it always is, isn't it?
It's never going to leave.
They can't really bring it back though, can they properly?
I read this, but I didn't see it.
Apparently, somebody has one of the potential buyers for the Yellow Jackets who has a 10 rings tattoo on his neck.
Apparently so.
When are we going to see the Mandarin?
It's too late, isn't it?
We've talked about this before.
People will be confused.
They'll be like, we saw this.
Who's what?
That's going to be-
Because that means people have to know about the one shot
and have to have seen all the 10 rings Easter eggs.
We could see it, but- I'd all the Ten Rings Easter eggs. I don't, like, we could see it, but.
I'd buy some Ten Rings Easter eggs.
No, but I, that's going to annoy me forever that it's going to be this one.
This looming threat.
This unsolved mystery of this Marvel Universe.
Because there won't be an Iron Man 4.
Unless they offer it like $75 million.
You got $80 million for Civil War and Age of Ultron.
Wow.
Together or each?
Together. Oh, right. It's still $40 million each. Yeah. million dollars he got 80 million for civil war and age of ultron wow together or each together
oh right it's still 40 million each yeah so if he gets did he get 50 million for you got 50 million
for iron man 3 and i think also for the avengers because i think he also gets a cut oh yeah of the
gross wow okay well if they get him if they give him 75 million dollars he might do iron man 4 and
then maybe we'll see the real mandarin which we don't
that's i can't imagine iron man 4 would do big beast of course it would what am i saying yeah
but i have no interest in another iron man movie do you yeah i'll watch another one but you don't
like them i like the first one yeah me too yeah i like elements of the other ones yeah and look
you know what he's really got that he's really got that suit down pat now.
It's pretty great.
I really liked it in Age of Ultron.
I want to hear more from Friday.
His backup artificial intelligence.
I want to see what she's all about, you know?
Sure.
Yeah.
Boring, generic Friday.
Now she was Irish or something.
Yeah, she was.
Yeah.
Great.
That makes her unique.
Yes.
Great. Yeah, I think that's pretty much makes her unique. Yes. Great.
Yeah, I think that's pretty much it, though.
You can put it in centering mode, the suit.
Yeah, but he can exit it from any direction at this point.
How good's that?
He can exit from the front or the back.
Or the feet.
He just stands there.
Feet first.
Who knows?
Like a slivered slide.
Like a slivered slide out of the suit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, he has nailed that.
You're right.
That's what I'm saying.
But then where do you take that?
Because you want to see a new Iron Man suit.
I want to see a liquid metal suit.
I reckon you can do it.
Oh, like...
There's a version of that.
I can't remember what it's called.
It was after Extremis.
Yeah, yeah.
And then he went all primitive suits again.
And then him and Reed Richards built
like a liquid metal Iron Man suit.
Like a goop.
Like a goop suit.
I want to see an Iron Man goop suit.
Would you watch a movie called Iron Man Goop Suit?
Yes.
Goop suit.
Yeah.
It could be called Iron Man colon goop troop.
Right?
Yes.
Yeah.
You'd have a team of young Iron Lads and Lasses.
Yeah.
Definitely. Each could have their and lasses. Absolutely. Yeah. Definitely.
Each could have their own quirky personality.
Yes.
And their own different AI with its own quirky personality.
Just different accents from around the world.
Correct.
Ukrainian.
Yes.
Duh.
Just American?
Do you want one of them?
Or is that too standard?
Like a redneck-y one, yeah.
Okay, yeah.
That makes sense.
And a classic New York accent, and they don't get along.
No, they don't.
No.
What about like a Manuel Fawlty Towers kind of accent?
Yes.
And he's also incompetent.
He's also incompetent, and the suit's always sparking on walls
and just flopping back and forth in the air, yeah.
Fantastic.
Guys, let's all email Marvel and make this happen.
We want stereotypes
Iron Man 4
goop troop
it's the one for kids
it's the daddy day camp
of Iron Man movies
straight to DVD
no original cast members
except for Robert Downey Jr.
in a flashback
who gets 75 billion dollars
wonderful
yeah
Happy Hogan is in the
Iron Man suit.
Absolutely.
He's the main guy.
It's Favreau.
So he's kind of like, is he a babysitter and they all get Iron Man suits?
Yes.
He's like, oh, no.
Yeah.
The automated factory system goes haywire.
One of the kids, the nerdiest one, the nerdiest kid he messes it up.
The kid from Iron Man 3?
Yes.
That guy.
Done.
Yep.
And he's playing about with it and he builds them all Iron Man suit
and they go on an adventure.
Happy Hogan has to chase them down.
Adam Sandler's also in this movie.
Good.
If I could make a request to our artist in residence.
Yes.
Where are we?
Fergal Quigley.
Yeah.
If he could draw that for me.
Oh, he does some great stuff, doesn't he?
If he could draw Iron Man for Goop Troop, I would appreciate that.
What was the one he did last week?
The Marvel Fox one.
He did us as...
Fox executives?
Yeah, shady Fox executives slash carnival barkers
trying to trick people into thinking that the Fox booth
at San Diego Comic Con was the Marvel booth.
And it looks amazing.
It's really good.
Yeah.
He's one of the best.
Yep.
All right.
You know what it's time for?
What's it time for?
What are we reading?
Oh, what are we going to read?
Theme song.
This is from, yes.
I'm doing the thing.
What are we reading today?
This is from Jerome.
Hey, Nick and James.
I recommend the documentary The Death of Superman Leaves What Happened.
It's about the Tim Burton and Nick Cage movie That Never Happened.
Great job, guys.
Keep up the good work.
Love it.
I watched it this week.
Yes.
It's bloody fantastic.
I really, really liked it.
Director John Schnepp, he put together this documentary over a couple of years,
interviewing a bunch of cast and crew and Lorenzo Di...
Bonaventura? Is he the crazy Lorenzo Di... Bonaventura?
Is he the crazy...
Lorenzo Di Bonaventura.
Who's the dude with the big buffon?
John Peters?
John Peters.
Sorry, I'm not...
I think...
Did he also...
I can't remember.
He definitely...
If it's a crazy guy in Hollywood from the 80s, it's John Peters.
No, definitely.
John Peters is definitely in it.
Yeah.
But it's fascinating seeing the different takes and they kind of go through the different
script, right?
It starts with Kevin Smith and it moves to a couple other guys along the way
and also Tim Burton who threw out the Kevin Smith version.
And John Peters is – Kevin Smith retells his John Peters story
working with him, which is great.
And John Peters also has a shot at Kevin Smith
where he's like – he's writing his amateur and whatever.
There's a bit of back and forth.
There's also stories about – Are they in the same room? amazing yeah there's also like stories where john peters would go into like the production offices and like get someone in a
headlock yes and then people would be like oh we fucking hate this guy and but then i could cut to
john peters and he'd be like yeah you know i used to do stuff like that because it gets it's good
for morale and what so he's just completely oblivious that he's just this rich dickhead that everybody has
to put up with.
He's pretty hectic for an ex-hairdresser.
Well, he talks about, he even says the line, I've been in over 50 fights.
Or he even says, I think I've been in 50 fights.
So he's very specific about how many fights he's been in.
He is a loose 50 fights. Wow. So he's very specific about how many fights he's been in. He is a loose unit, that one.
Great.
So, but look, he does a really good job of acting less crazy than what everybody else
is saying about him.
So for that alone, this is a fascinating documentary.
Yeah, interesting.
Look, I like Superman a lot, so this obviously appeals to me, and I'm fascinated by this
movie that I kind of wish happened
because it's insane.
So, yeah, Death of Superman Lives What Happened.
John Schnapp, check it out.
Love it.
This week I'm going to read, and you know my feelings about Star Wars,
but may have been turned around with Lando issue one.
I read that.
Is it good?
It's not bad, yeah.
All right.
Okay, join him for his biggest caper
as Master of Charm Lando Calrissian
gets his own comic book.
Yes, he does.
I'm on board.
You know I love a caper.
You do.
And it's artist Alex Malieve who did Moon Knight.
Yeah.
Which I enjoyed a lot.
You bloody love Moon Knight.
Yeah, I love Moon Knight also.
Just the concept of it.
It's nice.
It's very peaceful.
Well, those are two great watching readings.
So I should read that?
Is it good? Yeah. Is it a fun caper? Well, it's a start-up caper. It's nice. It's very peaceful. Well, those are two great watching readings. So I should read that? Is it good?
Is it a fun caper?
Well, it's a start-up caper.
It's building to a fun caper.
Yeah.
Does it seem like it's going to be fun?
Yeah.
It's got that sweet Lando charm.
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
When's it set?
Maybe before Empire.
It's definitely before Empire.
Right.
Okay, sure.
I think it's just before he gets Cloud City.
But he doesn't have the Millennium Falcon.
I don't believe so.
Okay, great.
I mean, he might.
I don't know. I skim a lot of comics. Oh, sureium Falcon. I don't believe so. Okay, great. I mean, he might. I don't know.
I skim a lot of comics.
Oh, sure.
Yeah.
This is from Krista.
If you remember Krista, she was the official Rick and Morty animated girl person thing
here.
Oh, I remember.
Yeah.
Anyway, she's got some Rick and Morty news, which is exciting.
Season two starts July 26th.
It'll be on Adult Swim and, of course, Hulu.
Rick and Morty also crashed an episode of The Simpsons for The Simpsons season finale
back in May
did you see that?
no
the couch gag
it was the longest
Simpsons couch gag ever
and it's basically
The Simpsons run up their couch
and then Rick and Morty
like crash the spaceship
into The Simpsons
and just splatter them
great
and then it just goes from there
it's amazing
it's the best thing
The Simpsons has done
in like 15 years
and they didn't animate it
so
sure yeah
yeah it's really great I didn't animate it. Sure, yeah.
Yeah, it's really great.
I didn't watch the episode.
I just watched that bit.
I've seen the first two episodes of Rick and Morty because they are online already somehow.
It's great.
It's really good.
I love it.
You know what?
I've also been reading.
By reading, I mean watching.
Now that you mention that, BoJack Horseman is back.
Second season of BoJack Horseman.
I still haven't started watching that.
It's great.
I enjoy it a lot.
It gets some mixed feelings about it but i enjoy it and it's got paul f tompkins as
anthropomorphic dog mr peanut butter so if you like him i don't know he's yeah is is he pretty
much will arnett's the similar character from arrested development uh not really because the
same cadences same cadences, certainly. Excellent.
Yeah.
Anyway, I've got more on this.
He's less of an idiot.
Okay, good.
He's still kind of an idiot.
Yeah, good.
He's a horse.
She also says, sorry, back to Krista,
if there is a season three and if I get to work on it
and there's a slightest chance I could influence the story and design,
which I'm sure there isn't, sorry to say,
I will try and get your likenesses in the design
of some random character or alien or something.
Yes.
And now remember, a promise is a promise.
That's right.
You've promised to do it, so you have to.
I would bloody love that.
Me too.
That would be a dream come true, that thing you sort of vaguely promised, but not really.
No, definitely promised.
Yeah.
One last thing.
A while back, I started drawing my friends in the style of Rick and Morty for fun.
If you want a version for the weekly panel or something, I don't know why, but anyway, I'd be happy to do that for you.
Definitely.
Nah.
No, I'm kidding.
Love it.
I would love that.
Sounds amazing, yeah.
Of course, if it's any kind of, if it's hard or whatever.
Yeah, don't do it.
That's our motto.
We're not hypocrites.
We wouldn't want you to live your life in any way that we wouldn't.
So if it's hard, just don't do it.
Exactly.
All right. Got some letters, Mason. I'm ready. Do you want me to live your life in any way that we wouldn't. So if it's hard, just don't do it. Exactly. All right.
Got some letters, Mason.
I'm ready.
Do you want me to read them?
Yes.
We've only got two letters because we read the earlier one earlier.
We blew through a lot of letters.
We did.
Hey, greetings from Nepal.
I'll get straight to the point.
Doesn't muck around.
No.
That's good.
It's got stuff to do in Nepal.
That's right.
I just want to know your thoughts on the Doctor Who trailer for Season 9.
Maisie Williams being cast.
Some say she's playing the Doctor's granddaughter.
I think that's true.
And presumed Dalek City.
The trailer looks good.
I was okay with the last season.
I think the introduction of the new Doctor put me off a bit.
You as well, because of his weird suit, right?
Yeah.
But I think the upcoming season...
They should consult with me on the weird suits.
I agree.
But you know what?
I think the problem is...
The same thing happened with Matt Smith, and you pointed this out.
They let the actors choose the suit initially,
and then season two they're like,
okay, we'll take elements of what you've done and we're going to fix it.
Really?
Is that what they do?
I feel like that's what they do because the season two Matt Smith
is dressed differently than season one,
and season two Doctor Who, and that is his name.
Somebody also emailed him with credits for a Doctor Who episode,
and Doctor Who is credited as Doctor Who.
That's his name.
It's not The Doctor.
Yes.
So we've never been wrong.
Never wrong.
Yeah, but I think they change it.
I think they're like, okay, enough of that weird magician crap
that you're wearing.
Surely they don't let the actor choose.
That is a part of it.
I've heard that the past three seasons, three changes.
Maybe you're right now that I think about it.
Because David Tennant, he saw Jamie Oliver in a suit wearing chucks and whatever.
Oh, okay, right.
And Matt Smith chose the bow tie because initially it was going to be no bow tie.
But there's too much shirt front, you said.
There's too much shirt front.
And this one has the collar up to the top and you hate that.
I like that.
It's weird.
Yeah.
Russian mobster.
Yeah.
Special Russian mobster.
Anyway, I think the new season will be much better.
Also, what do you think? Did you see the trailer? No. No, it looks pretty solid. Bloody sprung Russian mobster. Anyway, I think the new season will be much better. Also, what do you think?
Did you see the trailer?
No.
No, it looks pretty solid.
Bloody sprung this on me.
I forgot, all right?
Fair enough.
Do you want to pause while I watch the trailer?
If you want.
Okay, great.
I can read through tweets while you watch it if you want.
Okay, I'm going to watch this on silent then.
That's fine with me, mate.
As long as you shut your bloody mouth.
I'm going to.
No, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no to no no no no no no no no no no no no here we go is it series nine uh yeah whatever okay great thank you uh zython for tweeting my
easter egg video off okay there's a lot of space i'm looking at oh the tardis is there
are you doing a reaction video. Oh, there's water.
He's leaping through.
Oh.
Well, a lot of stuff happening.
There's some darkness.
Maybe some narration, but I wouldn't know because the sound's off.
Lights are going out in a corridor.
Great.
I'm enjoying that.
It's never been done before on a TV or movie.
Or with Doctor Who.
No, not on Doctor Who.
There's a Dalor.
Is it a Dalic?
A Dalor?
We've never seen a Dalic on Doctor Who before.
Why do I know their name? There's a lady. Is it the Master?? A Dalor? We've never seen a Dalek on Doctor Who before. Why do I know their name?
There's a lady.
Is it the Master again?
The Master's back.
Yeah, the Master's back.
Capaldi's hair's bigger.
Good.
There's a city.
Yeah, it's great.
Yeah, Doctor Who.
No wonder people love these reaction videos.
They're really good.
Has he redesigned the TARDIS again?
Yeah, I don't know.
I can't remember what he did last time.
The Master's back, okay.
What's-Her-Face is back.
Who?
You know What's-Her-Face. No. Oh, the Impossible Girl. Jenna Coleman. Yeah, yeah,'t know. I can't remember what he did last time. Face is back, okay. What's-her-face is back. Who? You know What's-her-face.
No.
Oh, the Impossible Girl.
Jenna Coleman.
Yeah, yeah, she's good.
Did they ever explain why she was a Dalek and then she was a regular human?
Yes.
What was the twist?
She fell through time or something, so she was everywhere and everyone.
That happened with Rose.
Yeah, but...
Oh, he's wearing sunglasses.
Cool stuff's happening.
Oh, is he going to catch the sonic screwdriver?
Oh, it's okay.
He didn't.
I don't know.
It was left ambiguous whether he caught the sonic screwdriver
that was being thrown through the air.
Oh, there's Maisie.
All right.
Great.
All in all success?
Yeah.
So that's his daughter.
Yeah.
Or granddaughter.
Oh, yeah.
Because that was from that show.
Yeah.
I mean, it's from the old...
Did you read any tweets?
Yeah, I read like one.
But then you did that amazing reaction video, so...
Good enough.
Yeah.
What do you think?
I don't care about Dr. Z.
I'll watch an episode and then I'll stop watching it again.
That's what you always say.
And I do.
I'm true to my word. Watch one episode, I say I'm going to watch more, stop watching it again. That's what you always say. And I do. I'm true to my word.
Watch one episode, I say I'm going to watch more, then I don't.
That's true.
You've got that charm about you.
Also, what do you guys think about the Sherlock special episode trailer,
which is going to be set in a more accurate time period?
I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Nick would probably moan about it.
Wait a second.
That's it.
Love the podcast.
You guys are awesome.
Do you see that one?
I saw a frame of it on Facebook.
It looked pretty sweet. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Watson has a moust guys are awesome. Do you see that one? I saw a frame of it on Facebook. It looked pretty sweet.
Oh, yeah?
Yeah.
Watson has a moustache.
Is there a conceit to it?
Does somebody hit their head and then go back in time?
No, no, it's just set.
Set then?
Okay, right.
Are we going to see old-timey Moriarty?
We don't know yet.
Oh, that'd be cool.
Well, maybe not because they're bringing him back sort of for the new season.
He shot himself in the head.
Yeah, but do you remember the end of the last episode,
there's like a video
of Moriarty
and he's like,
I'm back.
I mean, I'm not saying
he is back,
but I'm saying
he's going to be back
in some capacity.
Oh, right.
Also, but...
Unofficial intelligent
virtual butler.
Please.
Okay.
Like, like evil Jarvis.
Yeah.
Like, you know,
Sherlock jumped off the roof
and he was fine, so...
He shot himself in the head.
Yeah, but blood packs
and whatever.
I don't know, man.
Yeah. True. All right. was fine so he shot himself in the head yeah but blood packs and whatever i don't know man yeah all right maybe hush style plastic surgery yep yeah great great great last letter yep
hey gentle hello gentleman and mason my name is paul oh rough hello you're bloody copping it mate
my name is paul and i'm a mathematics professor living in Korea and originally from California.
I used to live in Auckland for a while and that's like kind of close to you guys, right?
It's my first time writing to you.
That you know of.
Ooh.
Just wondering, are you guys fans of The Simpsons?
Do you consider them a classic part of your childhood as many do?
Ask because you never seem to reference it.
I feel like you would be, but then again, I feel like you wouldn't be.
Cheers, Paul.
We are enigmas like that.
Yeah.
Look, I loved The Simpsons
during the,
what I like to think of
as the good period
of The Simpsons,
which is seasons 3 through 10.
Yes.
And then it turned to garbage
and it's gone for another
16 years.
Yes.
Apparently they're closing it up
at season 30.
I don't believe that.
No, neither do I.
Did you hear that? For real? Yeah, that's what I heard. That's a lot of seasons. 30 years of The Simpsons. Yeah. Apparently they're closing it up at season 30. I don't believe that. No, neither do I. Did you hear that?
For real?
Yeah, that's what I heard.
That's a lot of seasons.
30 years of The Simpsons.
Yeah.
But then when they get there,
they'll be like,
maybe we can do 40.
Like, what'll happen is
there'll be 30 years of The Simpsons
and they'll be like,
so The Simpsons has outlasted
every TV show in existence
except for this TV show
which lasted this many years
and they'll be like,
we'll beat that
and then it'll just go on forever.
We'll beat the Frasier and Cheers combined.
That wouldn't be 30 years, though, would it?
What goes for 30 years?
I think that's...
Doctor Who, I guess.
Yeah, but that's back and forth.
It's stopped.
It doesn't count.
It may be the longest running series ever.
Yeah, you might be right.
There's probably some weird British thing we don't know.
Yeah.
Harry Shearer's back on The Simpsons.
Yeah, he is.
No surprise there.
No, I like it a lot.
Oh, an hour's work for $600,000.
Sure, I'll do that.
Yes, please.
Yeah, no, a big part of my childhood.
Like most children, our entire vocabulary was composed
and all our wit was composed of Simpsons quotes.
Correct.
That's exactly how it was at school.
You just say things from The Simpsons.
I remember when I was a kid, a young man,
I watched it initially when it was really, really good,
and then my auntie said,
I don't like that Bart Simpson.
He's like a rude little boy.
And then my parents were like, no more Simpsons.
And I'm like, what the fuck?
And so there was a years, a couple of years
where I had to like sneak around and watch it all over.
Oh, sure, yeah.
Watch it in alleyways.
Yeah.
Watch it down in the woods.
Correct.
It's still super funny.
Like those original ones.
Yeah, those episodes, sure.
They're still like some of those things like
I'll be talking to people about episodes
and mention something from the lemon tree episode or whatever
and just start laughing the hank scorpio one i was just thinking about one of my favorite
one of my favorite episodes i think i've told i was speaking to someone about this recently
in the simpsons movie that came out i was just thinking about this today
albert brooks is the villain yes and he plays a very hank scorpio-esque villain but he's not
hank scorpio yes but here's the thing. They were originally
going to make the villain
in the movie Hank Scorpio
but they thought
no one's really going to
remember that or whatever.
What?
So they changed it.
They got this guy
with the same voice
but changed the villain.
You just...
Why not make it Hank Scorpio?
It would have been much funnier.
That would have been amazing.
You know what though?
To be fair,
that movie's not bad.
The movie, yeah.
That brought it back a little bit.
Yeah, because they got
a lot of the old writers and whatevers.
So, yeah, I like The Simpsons.
It's good.
Yeah, it's a shame it's gone 16 years too long.
I also really like Futurama.
So that's also really good.
Do you like Futurama?
I love Futurama.
Yeah.
Actually, I haven't finished the last season yet.
A couple of reasons, but mainly because if I watch the rest of Futurama, then there's
no more Futurama.
There's no Futurama ever again.
I don't want to do that.
The new seasons are fairly strong though, aren't they?
Futurama from memory.
But at least Rick and Morty's gone and that's pretty sweet.
Yeah.
Do you know there's a Professor Brothers TV series?
No.
Yeah, it's been out for years.
Is it that weird stop motion animation thing?
No, it's just regular animation.
Huh.
That Brad Neely stuff.
Those Professor Brothers cartoons
are
possibly some of the funniest things
that have ever been on the internet
I believe that
yeah
Anthony
Samantha
sorry
if you've never seen
guys look up the Professor Brothers
if you've never seen them
or Brad Neely
yeah
N-double-A-L-Y
yeah
great stuff
very funny
he does a good film history episode
he has a weird rivalry with a dean, which is really funny.
He tells the Sodom and Gomorrah story, which is hilarious.
It's all very good.
Anyway, that's the show for this week.
We did it again.
Anything you'd like-
Some would say, what are you doing?
Will you keep doing again?
The answer is we don't know.
It's not the point.
Yeah, it's not the point.
Where can people find us?
Oh, they can find us
at Weekly Planet Pod
at Gmail and Facebook
and Twitter and Bandcamp.
Correct.
Where we've got our audio commentaries.
Yes.
You can go to
patreon.com slash MrSunday.
Do you clean these up
when I mess them up?
Just leave them in.
Yeah, I definitely clean them up.
I don't believe you.
Patreon.com slash MrSundayMovies
if you want to make
a regular monthly donation to the show. Do you want to keep it running? Absolutely. It'll keep running anyway. I mean't believe you patreon.com slash mr sunday movies if you want to make a regular
monthly donation
to the show
if you want to
keep it running
absolutely
but it'll keep running
anyway
I mean yeah
regardless
whatever you want to do
just listen for free
it's fine
I haven't actually
put anything up there
for a while
on the patreon thing
so I should do that
I mean we never
to be fair
we never promised
we would
but I feel like
regardless
I should do something
at some point
yeah
I don't know
how it is
I'm at mr sunday movies
on twitter
I'm at wikipedia brown on twitteries on Twitter I'm at WikipediaBrown
on Twitter
BrutonTheBasilisk
yeah
create the themes
we love it
we love the themes
yes
oh guys
if you want to send in
a letters theme
that I can play over the phone
yes
to this podcast
I think maybe the way
it should be done
the easiest way
upload it to YouTube
then send the link to Mason
then you'll play it
through his phone
that's genius
because otherwise
if you email them
then I have to kind of
email it to him or send it to him in a weird text format or whatever just upload it on then you'll play it through his phone. That's genius. Because otherwise, if you email them, then I have to kind of email it to him or send
it to him in a weird text format or whatever.
Just upload it on something you can play directly from a phone and send him the link.
Yeah.
And he will possibly play it.
Yeah.
This week's theme, let's make it easy.
I'll let his theme played on a ukulele.
Can at some point-
You know why?
Because I'm thinking of small.
I'm thinking of Ant-Man.
I'm thinking small.
Okay.
I'm thinking of weird twee instruments.
Will you take a kazoo?
I know they're different, but it's also small.
Yes, I'll also take any kind of weird tiny instrument I'll take.
Okay.
Yeah.
But it has to be not like...
Finger cymbals.
Oh, really?
I was going to say triangle.
Yeah.
Anything.
Very good work, yeah.
All right.
Tiny instruments.
Bloody do it
Vuvuzela
I know that's giant
but it's one exception
but it's weird
yeah
next week
what's next week
don't know
what's that next week
not Fantastic Four
that's the week after
that's the week after
Mission Impossible
no that's June
that's July 30
yeah you're right
second week off
no we won't.
We'll be back.
We'll do something.
I'm trying to think.
I don't know, man.
Maybe we'll do Fantastic Four just in general.
We can talk about the movies and some of the comics and whatever.
Yeah, cool.
Great.
I've read zero Fantastic Four comics.
I've read heaps of them.
There we go.
I've seen the movies and you haven't, so it all evens out.
It all evens out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Great.
All right.
Thanks, everyone.
Bye.
Someone recommended the catchphrase for me,
snap dat neck,
but am I stuck with the spaghetti one?
You are.
So I'm going to say grab dat gem, you guys.
You know you can do it.
Where's my biscotti?
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