The Weekly Planet - Fantastic Four 2005 - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: April 2, 2020

We are back on our quest to review every Fantastic Four movie, this week it's the 2005 blockbuster. With the all star cast of Chris Evans as Johnny Storm aka The Human Torch, Jessica Alba as The Invisible Woman, Michael Chiklis as The Thing, Ioan Gruffudd as Mr Fantastic and Australia's own Julian McMahon as Doctor Doom. It's not very good because of course it isn't. They're all bad movies and this is also bad. Let's all Caravan Of Garbage.Help support the show and decide on episodes at Patreon ► https:// patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesSUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNVideo Edition ► https://youtu.be/Dvdxzy0zrJAJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownTWP Itunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4TWP Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetTWP YouTube Channel ► https://goo.gl/1ZQFGHPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4T-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies#FantasticFour #Marvel #MCU Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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We're back for Caravan of Garbage. We're doing all the Fantastic Four movies. Last week we did, what was it? Fantastic Four 94. Not good. Not good at all, no. But it's there if you want to see it. But here we are for a big number two.

That's right. The reason that film got shelved, put aside, get rid of it, they didn't want it anymore. In the butt. Was so they could make this movie, this version. And it's the same producers, right? That's right. But they've rebranded and renamed so they haven't left a paper trail.

That's right. Fox have jumped on board. They were very much like, hey, we've been doing the X-Men. Hey, Spider-Man's a big hit at the moment. Hey, some of the blades are okay. Let's do the same for the Fantastic Four. And I'll say this. I think there's some good ideas here.

I like the cast, but I don't. This fucking sucks. It's not good. I haven't seen it since. It's not good. This movie, I feel, because we saw the two Fox, the first two Fox Fantastic Four movies in theatres, and this movie's so bad that it made me like the second one a little bit.

Same. Even though it's bad. Yeah, I completely agree. But this one dropped my expectations for any kind of superhero movie way into the toilet. Yeah, absolutely it did. So you know what it does? And I feel like you had the same problem for the first Spider-Man,

the Tobey Maguire one. It feels like a blank, fake stage universe. Yes. You know, all the sets and even the street stuff, it just doesn't feel like anything is real. Also, leave a like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you know what I mean, though?

I do know what you mean. Like if one of the characters is being harassed on the street by a crowd of onlookers, they all very clearly say, hey, it's you, it's the invisible woman. Turn invisible for us. My friend likes you. Can I get a photo? As she's running away, you know, they're just,

I'm here to say my line and then leave. Yeah. What do you. Can I get a photo? As she's running away, you know, they're just... Yeah, absolutely. I'm here to say my line and then leave. Yeah. What do you think about this, though? Yes. Sometimes I love a retcon in a movie, and I think this is one of the best that we've ever seen. Go ahead.

Reed Richards. Yes. Grey Temples. It's from the weird space laser fog or whatever. That's right. He didn't have Grey Temples before the space event situation disaster, and he's got them. Why don't everybody else get that? Well, they all different powers didn't they maybe they got great pubes did you

say great pubes or great pubes they can be both they can be both look at ted dancing that's true looking good yeah i haven't seen his pubes but i'm just probably great probably great definitely gray so what do you think about uh chris evans in mean, this was, you know, I mean, it's a little bit of a contrast because we've seen him as Captain America for so many years. So this is, you know, him in full arsehole mode. Yeah, it feels like he's doing like a Paul Walker, which is what Chris Evans sort of was for a little bit. The poor man's Paul Walker?

Yeah, people didn't, I wouldn't even say poor man's, but they didn't really take him seriously until like your Snowpiercer's and your Sunshine, which is terrific. Because I know there were some people upset and he was reluctant to take on Captain America because he's like, I did one of these and it wasn't. You guys all saw it. Oh my God.

It's so amazing to me that they didn't give him frosted tips. It is spellbinding. You know what I think happened is they did give him frosted tips. They worked out very badly. They had to shave his hair. That's why he's got a crew cut. Because, yeah, I mean, traditionally Johnny Storm is blonde, so it's weird that they didn't go with that at all.

Yeah, exactly. So in this one, Reed Richards has to go, like, hat in hand to Victor Von Doom to get the money. Yes. To borrow Victor Von Doom's space station so they can perform these space experiments. And Victor Von Doom, he's holding all the chips because he's got all the money and all the space

stations and he's got Reed's ex-girlfriend Boy does he, yeah because he didn't understand relationships or something, she just wanted to I don't know, it's one of those relationships where if they had one conversation about it, they'd probably still be together, like it doesn't feel genuine it's like why don't you understand me and he's like

well I only understand science and logic but there's no logic in love and kisses Reed and he's like, why don't you understand me? And he's like, well, I only understand science and logic. But there's no logic in love and kisses, Reid. And he's like, well. You're always trying to stretch yourself, Reid. We are always hiding, Susan. Yeah, it's a good movie. That's true. So the thing suits okay.

And I think Michael Chiklis is the thing. It's perfect. He's the best thing we've seen. Yeah, that's very good. In these movies. He's the best thing we've seen. Yeah, that's very good. In these movies. He's the best thing we've seen in these movies. So he apparently was the only one of the cast who was a big fan of the comics, and he really pushed for a non-computer generated character.

So he wore this 60-pound latex suit that took him three hours to get in, and they'd take off the top rocks on the top of his head to blow cool air in. And to pour cool cool air in and to like pour you know cool drinks down in like a pineapple that's been hollowed out for the cocktail in it i bet he regretted that 30 seconds in putting the suit on he's like well i'm a big fan and i think we've got to do just to this character so i'm gonna pull it put the full prosthetics on oh no they're on and i hate this absolutely i regret they've made the suit now i can't back out but they couldn't have done a good version of this CGI then, I feel.

No, absolutely not. Because if you look at like Ang Lee's Hulk. But I guess rocks kind of were easier to do than human skin. So maybe it would have looked all right. He doesn't have that big thing brow though that we know and love. You know that shelf above his eyebrows? Yes. I'm a big fan of it.

So if we're going to talk about Sue Storm, I feel like we've got to talk about the action scene. The two that are maybe in this. Okay. So the first one where basically everybody claps at the end because the Fantastic Four have saved the day, they caused every single event, every chain of events that happens in that that resulted in, I'd imagine a lot of deaths because there is a massive car pileup.

There's a pileup. There's car pileup in the middle of it. There's a pileup that is primarily caused by the thing crashing into the middle of a freeway on a bridge. I thought that truck driver was dead. When you open the door, he's like, are you all right? I'm like, is this a different truck? Is this the earliest appearance of the superhero hip and shouldering a truck and it either crumples or it flips?

I think Hellboy did one in 2004. Oh, did a punch earlier, right. Okay, that's probably it. But this is a big comic book trope that we love. I think Smallville even did it with a bus. That's true. That is absolutely true, yeah. But I don't know when that happened.

But I know what you're referring to because, obviously, the thing gets to the disaster area first because, obviously, he's ground zero because he caused it. But then the other three have to get to that area to save the day, obviously. But the remaining three of the Fantastic Four, they can't get through because there's so many police and cars. There's 19 people in the way. There's no way to get through.

But you know who could get through? A naked, invisible woman. Because in this version, she can't turn her clothes invisible. No. So the only way for her to be properly invisible. Except for a suit, we should point out, because we'll get comments. Yes, of course. So the only way for her to properly be invisible is for a suit we should point out because we'll get comments yes of course but then so it's the only way to for her to properly be invisible is take

all her clothes off yes obviously that's look and then she runs through the crowd and then she becomes visible again and puts her clothes back on and then like five seconds later the other two show up and they're like well we also made it through the crowd not using our powers or anything really we just walked through we just pushed two or three people aside and we walked through. Was this just an excuse to show Jessica Alba in underpants? I don't know. Well, actually. Tough to say.

Well, yeah, because once Jessica Alba was cast, they added that scene. Great stuff. So, yes, in answer to that question, yeah. Pretty cool. Anyway, it's great that the thing was brooding in the middle of a very busy bridge. You know what else it was good that he was brooding of course because his fiancee who he'd given an engagement ring to yeah discovered that he was a he had become a horrible orange rock monster and ran away from him and then afterwards once he saves the day on the bridge she goes to that bridge sees that he's saved the day and

everybody's cheering and clapping takes her engagement ring off and puts it on the ground and leaves like she went there specifically yeah to in public in public to end their relationship for good at his lowest point maybe she just wanted to get a good look at him in the daylight oh and just make sure yeah maybe i could learn to love that weird orange guy oh no i'd have to go i'd have to go to brunch with him so no he'd be breaking all those glasses all the time with his giant rock hands that's right i think though if say you rocked up to where we record and i looked like the thing your immediate response wouldn't be oh my god you look horrible you'd be like weird suit what's right what's going on but he immediately starts screaming yeah yeah just can't factor it in you'd'd be like, weird prank, what is this?

Yeah, are you a furry now? What are you? What's going on? I believe they're called Rockies. Oh my goodness. Big fans of Rocky. Yeah. Okay, Doctor Doom.

Yes. So in this version, there's been many cinematic versions of Doctor Doom. Good casting, I'll say. Australia's own Julian McClung. Yeah, I like that. Son of a Prime Minister. That's a thing we know and that other people know and will tell us unless we tell them first.

So guess what? We told you first. Also, Stan Lee's in this. We know. He's the mailman or something. Is he Willy Lumpkin? I don't know. That's the name of a Marvel mailman.

I'm telling you the name. I think he is, yeah. Okay, cool. But if I don't say that, there'll be 100 comments that will say yes. Where were we? Oh, that's right, Doctor Doom. So there's been many versions of Doctor Doom in these movies. And I feel like it's not that difficult to just do the comic book version

where he injured his face in an accident and then he went away for a long time. He didn't go to space. No, and then he built a suit of armour and became the ruler of Latveria, etc. Yeah, he's got a little bit of magic and a little bit of sorcery and he's got a lot of technology stuff. Right, just do that. But nobody ever wants to do that. He's always a weird mutant man or a...

In this case, his skin is becoming metal. He's a metal man. So in this, I think they've gone with... Because in different versions also, the reason they all get different powers is always different. Oh, Sue, you're so shy, that's why you turn invisible or whatever. Or or whatever or like sue you're so angry that's why you turn invisible in this movie for some reason johnny you got frosted tips fire obviously absolutely but in this version i think they're going with everybody got a like an element yes so fire wind earth water and metal in this in

this case he's metal and i know he has some versions, also got some technopath powers. Yes. But they don't really lean into that side of it. It's just shooting electricity for the most part and gathering electricity. I'm surprised he didn't gather so much electricity that it was his undoing. Because that's the era for this, isn't it? That's right. There's always a villain taking on too much energy.

The Hulk. Yes. The Hulk. That's right. For example. Yes. Indiana Jones. Wish he wanted all the knowledge, but it was too much knowledge. Too much knowledge. That's right. What an era. It's Jones. Wish you wanted all the knowledge but it was too much knowledge. Too much knowledge, that's right.

What an era. It's not a good ending is it? That finale. No. Speaking of action scenes. That's right. Especially because this came out a year after The Incredibles. Apparently a lot of the jokes and things and elements that they put in this movie they had to take out because they're like, well The Incredibles made fun of that so now we can't do it. No.

The Incredibles is still the best Fantastic Four movie. Yes. Obviously. But I love it how they're testing Johnny's powers earlier and he's like, I can go really hot. I can burn as hot that so we can't know the incredibles is still the best fantastic four movie yes obviously but i love it how they're testing johnny's powers earlier and he's like i can go really hot i can burn as hot as the sun and they're like don't burn as hot as the sun you fucking idiot and at the end they're like burn as hot as the sun johnny kill everybody if you have to we have to stop this weird metal man and he was like but you didn't train me to do this you told me specifically not to well but also what i enjoyed about the scene where he's testing his powers, they're like, you're burning as hot as the sun

and you'll destroy everything. You'll set fire to the Earth's atmosphere. That's what they said. But since you're not going to stop, we'll just turn these extinguishers on. Now we've stopped. Just these regular extinguishers. That's what they should have done in Spider-Man 2

when they had the sun. Just put some extinguishers on it. Regular extinguishers. Wouldn't have been a problem. I was also enjoying the sequence in which he's been put in mandatory isolation so that they can make sure he's not dangerous to himself or others. And then the nurse comes to visit him. He's like, hey, baby, how about we go surfing?

Do you mind if I just kiss you straight up? How about we go skiing? And she's like, all right. Hippocratic oath. Schmippacrappic oath. That's what she said. Let's go. That's her tattoo. Yeah, so there's jokes in this. Isppocratic oath. Schmippacrappic oath. That's what she said. Let's go. That's her tattoo.

Yeah, so there's jokes in this. Is there? Yes. Yes. Yes. So Chris Columbus, who was originally making this movie, which we talked about before in the 90s, he pushed for a heavily comedic tone along the lines of Batman 66.

But Tim Story, who came on board off the back of Barbershop and some other hit films, he persuaded the higher-ups to go for less of an outright kind of comedic tone. He said that would end in disaster, so let's walk the line here. A little bit of jokes, a little bit of dramedy. You know what I mean? Yeah, satisfy no one.

That's what I say. I mean, dramedies are... Would you call this a dramedy? No, but what I'm saying is I think the MCU, and some people have accused certain movies, and I can't really disagree with it, they go too jokey at the wrong points in time. Sure, right.

But I feel with the MCU, more often than not, the jokes land. They get the balance right. Yeah, but they don't really land here. But, though, here's some things. A segment of the show called Not All Bad. I guess it's not all bad. Okay, cool. Stan Lee said that Michael Chiklis' The Thing is his favourite performance

in any Marvel film ever. Presumably he said that at the time because obviously there's been things that have happened since, which are... I like Chiklis. I think he does a good job. But also, you know, Andy Serkis' Claw. Obviously would have taken that. That's right.

That's his current favourite. Yes, that's true. Here's some alternate... Yeah, yeah, obviously. Here's some alternate casting though. Did Mark Ruffalo attempt to audition this one again? Not this week. Hugh Jackman was wanted for Reed Richards.

I get it. There's also a deleted scene which people may have seen where he actually morphs his face into Wolverine. He's like, do you want me to be more like this Hugh Jackman? Oh yes. So you know, he could exist in this universe somewhere. Brendan Fraser and George Clooney were considered for Reed Richards. So as a gestalt entity.

A team, together. A team of two men in a trench coat. We haven't really talked about Reed Richards, though. What do you think about that stretching effect? Bad, yeah? What do you think? Bad and inexplicably cheap. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a different era, isn't it? Sure is. Of things, yeah. So for the Invisible Woman in this, we had Rachel McAdams, Scarlett Johansson, Elizabeth Banks and Julia Stiles. And for the thing, James Gandolfini. Of Sopranos fame.

That's right. And David Boreanaz. And Tim Robbins and Mel Gibson for Doctor Doom. I think Mel Gibson was having a very public breakdown at the time, but I think he would have really nailed that unhinged Doctor Doom nature. Yes, for sure. Also, do you want to hear about another version of this? Yeah.

Specifically, Peyton Reed came on board. Oh, of Ant-Man fame. That's right, of Ant-Man fame. So when Chris Columbus was doing it, he said, I want to use Dennis Quaid and Meg Ryan, who were a couple at the time, for Sue and Reed. Huh. With that real-life chemistry going on.

You know, until he cheated on her a lot and they broke up. That real-life chemistry until a bit of divorce. Love it. That's right, yeah. And also, he pitched his Fantastic Four movie to Fox as A Hard Day's Night, you know, the Beatles film. Okay. But with superheroes.

Oh, so they're all famous and screaming fans running after them. That's kind of fun. He wanted to do Austin Powers with the Fantastic Four. No. But, you know, that kind of era. Alex Denioff as Reed Richards. Oh, from Buffy. That's right.

Charlize Theron as Sue Storm. From other movies. Yes. You couldn't name one? I was mad Max. Sure. Paul Walker as

Johnny Storm. R.I.P. Yeah. And John C. Reilly as Ben Grimm. Like it. Me too.

And of course as the villainous Doctor Doom. Jude Law. Jude Law. Yeah. From other movies also.

Oh okay. Yeah. So I don't mind that casting either. The young Pope. Yeah that's right. What I don't mind that casting either. The young Pope. Yeah, that's right. What I don't understand about this, and we'll talk a bit more about it next week

when we cover Rise of the Silver Surfer, Fox had the X-Men and the Fantastic Four and Daredevil, and they didn't ever think, what if we did something with this together? Like burned it all? Yeah, like burned it all. I do have actually a video where I discuss all the

different fox properties and how they plan to blend all of these together at one point yeah right i guess they thought well now let's keep it all separate nobody wants to see that but people i remember exclusively at the time and even as you know as early as the 90s wanted to see comic book characters cross over into different not even universes just batman goes hey there's superman you know i'd watch two hours of that. He just keeps flying overhead. Hey, there's Superman. Oh, he's back.

Oh, my goodness. He's quick. Yeah. Makes me really wonder why I do this, because he can solve all the crime almost instantly. But he never stops. He just keeps going. I'm quite depressed.

Batman's on a psychiatrist's couch. Just FYI, this movie. Can we at least close the blinds? No. No. No. This is a big hit, though. Didn't get a sequel for nothing. On an $87 million budget, it made $333 million,

and still, to this day, is the highest-grossing Fantastic Four movie. If you don't count The Incredibles films. Oh, I do. Good, yeah. So there you go. That's Fantastic Four 2005. Oh, I do. Good, yeah. So there you go. That's Fantastic Four 2005.

Come back next week. We're going to be talking about The Silver Surfer. Is it better? I remember it being better. I remember it being better, but we haven't watched it yet, so maybe not. Maybe equally bad as this one. That's right. Also, it's not a mistake that we're doing the Fantastic Four.

We put polls up on Patreon to be like, what do you guys want to see? We're doing this on purpose. I know. Not willingly to be like what do you guys want to say we're doing this on purpose i know not willingly but on purpose there is methods to our madness so that's linked below if you do want to sign up there's also a bunch of early videos and podcasts and polls for topics and a bunch of things that uh you can kind of direct the flow of terrible things that we have to talk about so thanks a lot i guess for the money but also making us do terrible things that didn't mean to sound as angry as it did. Well, you could take it out, but you're not going to.

Absolutely, I'm not. Also, of course, we have a podcast called The Weekly Planet where we talk movies and comics and TV shows. Look, trying times at the moment. Not a lot of new, I mean, there's plenty of comics coming out. Less so movies. They're being cancelled left and right. But a lot are still coming to streaming.

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