The Weekly Planet - Michael Bay's Ninja Turtles - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: July 27, 2023

In 2014 off the success of the Transformers franchise, Paramount and Nicolodeon decided to give him a shot at (producing) a brand new set of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movies. This time adopting mo...tion capture technology which allowed them to pay the actors next to nothing along with Megan Fox as April O'Niel this adventure is like nothing you've seen before! But really it's a lot of the stuff you've seen before. Thanks for watching!SUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNHelp support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies The Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:55 Welcome back, everybody. I'll check my headphone to make sure it sounds like it's me. No, that is me. What if it wasn't? Did you not hear your own voice? Well, I didn't have the headphones on, so I was like, I don't know what this sounds like at's me. No, that is me. Okay. What if it wasn't? Did you not hear your own voice? Well, I didn't have the headphones on, so I was like, I don't know what this sounds like. I've told you how my inner monologue is fucked. Yeah, because it sounds the same as in real life now.
Starting point is 00:01:14 Yeah. That's good. It's good to walk around with. It's like the upside down visor thing that I'm always talking about. Yeah, it is. It is. Welcome back, everybody, to Caravan of Garbage, where we're going to do two movies. Two Ninja Turtles movies.
Starting point is 00:01:24 That's right. What many people consider to be to do two movies. Two Ninja Turtles movies. That's right. What many people consider to be some of the last live-action Ninja Turtles movies. I mean, you're not wrong. You're not wrong in a one equals one kind of sense. You're absolutely correct there, James. They are some of the movies. Iconic is what you're looking to say. Are they iconic?
Starting point is 00:01:39 They came out. I would say that's stretching the definition, but I think these days, if a movie does come out, it's automatically considered iconic. Probably right. It's true. And this video came out. That's worthy of leaving a like. You don't know that yet.
Starting point is 00:01:52 No, you're right. How about we do that one? And then here's another take. Well, we died, folks. And we can put that in. And it didn't come out. The video didn't come out. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:02:02 So these are commonly referred to as the Michael Bay Transformers movies he didn't direct oh yeah i do i do actually because you said transformers shut up mason i thought you were doing a joke and i was stepping on your joke oh okay we're not doing a joke no we just nothing happened then okay great so these are commonly referred to as the michael bay ninja turtles movies right he didn't direct them no but he produced them? Yes. Okay. And they have his stink on them, don't they?
Starting point is 00:02:28 They do a bit, don't they? They absolutely have their stink on them. You can smell it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can smell it. You can almost touch it. You go, oh, spinning around. Too much spinning.
Starting point is 00:02:36 Why is everyone so glossy? Yeah. But only the good-looking people? I don't know what's going on here. So we're going to do this. We're going to do Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, no subtitle. We're going to do Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Out of the Shadows. Yeah, subtitle. We're going to do Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Out of the Shadows. Now, I had only seen Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Out of the Shadows.
Starting point is 00:02:49 I'd seen it at the cinemas. Yeah. And look, we're going to talk about it next week, but I remember watching it and going, that's pretty fun. It's like the cartoon series from back in the day, but like live action. And then you were like, we're going to watch these. And I'm like, well, I should re-watch the first one. Yeah, watch it.
Starting point is 00:03:04 And so I did, and then I'm like, oh, going to watch these. And I'm like, well, I should rewatch the, I should watch the first one. Yeah, watch it. And so I did. And then I'm like, oh, I have seen this. Have you? I watched the second one and I'm like, oh, I should go back and watch the first one. I watched it. Forgot it. Which I think is, it's iconic. It's iconic.
Starting point is 00:03:17 I think that's the perfect word for it. I feel like there is something to like or even love about every incarnation of the turtles. And this is and this is this is included in that mason all right like you've got the original comic which is like a gritty daredevil kind of ronin kind of parody situation the original cartoon has like a broader child friendly appeal which obviously shot it off into the stratosphere the original movies were diminishing returns but i still maintain the first one is like an excellent comic book movie and these ones you've got michelangelo and he's horny for april o'neill and it's real creepy and i think that's iconic it is iconic but i was gonna say even like
Starting point is 00:03:54 when you go to like the 2003 animated series actually there's a live action series in the 90s which is pretty terrible the next mutation yeah yeah but there's a 2003 animated series which is great i really like and i only recently saw this because my son got into it the 2012 3d series rise of the teenage ninja turtles is very just good and cool i like that a lot i like the look of it the movie's really terrific as well the thing about this one is i like if we could talk about the design okay i like the like the uniqueness of them how different they look it's a little busy i've got here they have too much kibble on them yes what they do i mean fashion
Starting point is 00:04:30 designer coco chanel famously said before you leave the house look in the mirror and remove one accessory and i think donatello she was looking at you she also said some other stuff and did some fun collaborations that we don't really talk about anymore. But I think that's wise words there. They got a lot of stuff on them. I agree. I think some of this stuff has carried over like Donatello might have a bunch of tech on him. I know we've seen that before as well.
Starting point is 00:04:53 He might be wearing a virtual boy on his head. He might be wearing a virtual boy on his head. And you know what? I don't even hate that they're fucking hideous. Like they're really hard to look at. They look like they smell. But here's the thing. They're way look like they smell but here's the thing they're way too big okay here's the thing they're all six five they're too big and they're too fast
Starting point is 00:05:11 yes i think if you changed one of those the whole thing would feel a lot better but like i said earlier they're spinning and jumping and yeah screaming through the sewers on their rocket skateboards or whatever yeah uh and it's iconic. Yeah, it's iconic. But if you made them smaller, the speed would make more sense. Or if you slowed them down, them being big would make more sense. But to give them both. You could even break it up depending on the turtle because Raphael, like now in a lot of versions, he's the biggest bike quite a lot.
Starting point is 00:05:38 And Donatello's like the skinniest. Michelangelo's the shortest. And there is a bit of that in this. They are different sizes. I don't know if you noticed. But the fact that they could just run into a scene and throw a fucking shipping container. That's too much.
Starting point is 00:05:52 It's for Hulks. What they've built here. I thought the reveal was... And they're bulletproof. They're bulletproof. I thought the reveal was going to be that they used like a crane to fling those shipping containers. Or a krang.
Starting point is 00:06:02 Could have used a krang. Yeah. But no, they just gave them a big kick, I guess. They're basically invincible. There's a moment later in the movie when they're doing a big action scene. Why would you prefer one of them to die every scene, James? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:12 And we're four scenes in the movie and they're all dead and there's no more movie. It's just sad funerals. And April Lanier's like, we should go to the funerals and they're like, the turtles don't exist.
Starting point is 00:06:21 You've made up funerals in your head and then she goes to a mental institution. Is that what you want for this movie? I mean, some of the comics are basically that now. But also, in the original Ninja Turtles movie, eight teenagers beat Raphael into a coma. That's true. Where in this one, they're doing a big action sequence on a mountain,
Starting point is 00:06:38 and Raphael's like, I can't do anything, my shell's been cracked. And then he just does a cannonball into a Humvee immediately after. Yeah. The first time we see them properly engage in the subway mission. They just paste everyone. Yeah, it's not like a stealthy ninja kind of blitz situation. It's just a severe beating administered by four giant hulking creatures. That's right.
Starting point is 00:07:01 Splinter's like, what did you go out with? It's dangerous out there. Is it? Is it dangerous? For who? Yeah. Can we talk about Splinter? like, what did you go out and it's dangerous out there. Is it? Is it dangerous? For who? Yeah. Can we talk about Splinter? I'd like to talk about Splinter.
Starting point is 00:07:09 I don't know. Look, love Tony Shalhoub. Oh, Monk. TV's Monk. Yeah. My goodness. Look, first of all, fun fact about him,
Starting point is 00:07:15 he loves torturing his kids, doesn't he? Yeah. He's like, you kids have got a secret and I'm going to put you in a room and I'm going to make you
Starting point is 00:07:21 stand in one position for 11 hours. And now we're going to pay some bills. That's right. We've got an in-movie advertisement that i gotta read right now i think uh he probably tells the turtles that they can't go above ground because you know society wouldn't accept them i'm pretty sure actually if they went above ground social services would take them away
Starting point is 00:07:38 and send them to prison completely agree also here's the thing here's a question maybe you can answer this question for me james yeah why is this Splinter obsessed with ninjutsu? I know why, but you go. Okay. Well, I mean, the reason is because this movie is called Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and if they didn't become Ninja Turtles, it wouldn't make any sense. But, like, in the cartoon, the old cartoon, Splinter was a human man who's a ninja master, and then when he gets mutated into an ungodly rat-human hybrid,
Starting point is 00:08:06 he teaches the turtles martial arts because that's his whole vibe, right? That's his whole deal and he's good at it. And in a lot of other versions, he was a rat who had a master who he basically learnt from. Yes, I mean, and look,
Starting point is 00:08:18 that is stretching credulity a little bit. But, you know, you're absolutely right. It started as a parody. Exactly, in the Mirage comics and in the live-action and in the the live action movie the new line movie he is a he is a starts as a rat and he is the pet of a ninja master and then when he gets mutated i guess he's like he has a vague memory of it and like yeah you know when the mutagen kicks in his brain like he remembers it's important and i think that
Starting point is 00:08:40 makes sense but in this one he's just a common garden variety all-American rat who's just like, I learned to do karate out of a book. We all have to learn karate. It's some real divorced dad vibes. We're all going to learn karate together. And again, like I said, they have to shoehorn it in, obviously. But I think in this context, it would make more sense if he was like, we're all going to have guns.
Starting point is 00:09:04 Hey, kids, look, I've found all these guns when somebody does a murder and they chuck a gun in the sewer. context it would make more sense if it was like we're all gonna have guns yeah hey kids look i've found all these all these guns when somebody does a murder and they chuck a gun in the sewer i've collected all the guns we're gonna be the you're gonna be the teenage mutant gun have a turtles the toys could have accessories that are like remember that remember in he-man like there was like a mossy guy and a smelly guy all the ninja turtles these are all mossy and smelly guys all the toys could have likeimy, rusty gun accessories. Like the Toxic Avengers. Yes, exactly.
Starting point is 00:09:28 Slash Crusaders, Mason. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, he's just a weird weeb rat, I guess. That's what I'm saying. He's just a weeb. That's what he is. Because I know people have been like, well, Tony Shalhoub isn't Japanese and whatever. Which, look, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:09:40 Absolutely. Believe that if you want. Sure. But, you know, cast an actor at the very least of Asian descent, right? Or of rat descent. Yeah, but here's the thing. This splinter, as you mentioned... I thought of a guy, but I'm not going to say who it is.
Starting point is 00:09:53 But as you mentioned, you can say it. I'll cut it. You're going to cut it out? Do you want me to cut it out? I'll tell you later. Okay. All right. Yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 00:10:03 But this splinter, as you mentioned mentioned he's an american rat yeah he could be whatever yeah and here's the thing mason a lot of things have been changed in this and this was michael name one thing oh well here we go so this was what michael bay said uh about in 2011 2012 when the script leaked about kind of some of the ideas that were going to happen. He said, fans need to take a breath and chill. There's more to this. You're too intense, Ninja Turtles fans. Settle down, you eight-year-old kids. Settle down.
Starting point is 00:10:32 Be like the Transformers fans, normal. He said, they have not read the script. So it wasn't the script, sorry. It was just some ideas that leaked. Our team is working closely with one of the original creators of Ninja Turtles to help expand and give more complex backstory. Relax. We are including everything that made you become fans in the first place.
Starting point is 00:10:49 We are just building a richer world. Does this feel richer to you, Mason? It's very rich. Okay, here's what happened with Shredder, right? Okay. Well, first I was going to say, my favourite part of that quote is like, we're working with one of the creators.
Starting point is 00:11:02 Yeah. Was it Eastman or Laird? We'll never tell. Because, you know, all the East heads, if it turned out to be Laird, they quote is like, we're working with one of the creators. Yeah. Was it Eastman or Laird? We'll never tell. Because, you know, all the East heads. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If it turned out to be Laird, they'd be like. Were they feuding at this point? I don't think they've ever feuded.
Starting point is 00:11:12 I think they just. They went separate ways for a bit, didn't they? They did, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It seems like they were just like, God, we're tired of overseeing this and making so much money. Oh, man. God. I love it when we, you know, get together and we stack all our money up to see which is higher.
Starting point is 00:11:23 But that's all we have in common these days. Right. Good on them. They made bank. They sure did. And I love it when we get together and we stack all our money up and see which is higher. But that's all we have in common these days. Good on them. They made bank. They sure did. And I love that. So the thing is, Eric Sachs is very clearly supposed to be Shredder in this and was in early drafts and even the initial cut of this because you see during this that when they include the original
Starting point is 00:11:42 traditional Shredder, he's only ever in a scene with like one other person and Eric Sachs always leaves the room and then a big armored Iron Man shredder appears. Yeah, right, right, right. And he says, I don't love business, I only love shredding. Yeah. By the way, if we're talking too much, that suit is out of control. It's too much.
Starting point is 00:12:02 And it's also that vibe of like, well, I don't respect him anymore. Because if I had a big giant powered armor suit that has like magnetic knives in it, I could take on the Ninja Turtles as well, I think. I think you probably would be right. It's weird because William Fickner is like, I'm doing mutagen, and now I'm the mayor or something, and I run business, but also I report to a Japanese man in the shadows. He does the shredding. I don't do any shredding. I do business, but also I report to a Japanese man in the shadows. He does the shredding.
Starting point is 00:12:26 I don't do any shredding. I do business, not shredding. Yeah, because so apparently Oroku Saki can somewhat be directly translated. Like the anglinized version of it is Eric Sachs, apparently, right? Okay. And even in the French trailer, it's the same voice actor, and he is the version of the shredredder in the 3DS games. The Shredder.
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Starting point is 00:14:03 That's right, exactly. Basically they made these changes for a couple of reasons. To appease fans I said games, I mean game. Royale with Shredder. That's right, exactly, yeah. Basically they made these changes for a couple of reasons. To appease fans and also because they didn't want to do like a Mandarin situation which had just happened with Iron Man 3. You never want to do a Mandarin situation. Also you can't have two weebs in the same movie. No. Because if it's Eric Sachs and Splinter, just two all-Americans,
Starting point is 00:14:22 doing the, look at all the stuff I've collected, look at my authentic armour that I got at the mall. My giant robot armor that I got at one of those weird places in the mall that's got the wizard orbs and stuff, you know? And where's the, like, unique rivalry between those two? I don't know. It's just kind of a nonsense movie. You know what else I think?
Starting point is 00:14:39 I think the camaraderie between the turtles, it's too hectic and frantic, and I don't like it. That's more Transformers energy. Yeah, it is, isn't it? Look, and honestly, I know all teenagers are annoying, right? You spend two hours with any four teenagers, you'd be like, God, if only I or them could die. Please.
Starting point is 00:14:59 But I feel like these guys are especially annoying. But the thing is, though, because there's four of them, and they've all got their own personalities, and they all have to say something in every scene. So that's the... As the camera whips around them. Yeah, because at least, I guess, with the Transformers, if one of them just sits there stoically and thinks about murder,
Starting point is 00:15:17 you're like, well, it's a robot, whatever. But all these four, they have to be talking. They've got to be doing something. They've got to be doing something. They've got to be balancing or eating a 72 cheese pizza or whatever. Yes. Whatever's going on. I don't mind the pairing of Megan Fox and Will Arnett.
Starting point is 00:15:29 I think good as any. Why not? Absolutely, yeah. I like both of them. And the origin of the turtles being tied into April, that's been done before. None of those changes. I don't really care about that. Again, I don't care how they change the lore, but if it's fun and not just like,
Starting point is 00:15:45 God, this is kind of annoying. What an annoying movie. I mean, it's iconic. It is absolutely iconic. And again, as I mentioned before, Mikey's real creepy towards April. I don't like it. That's his personality, I guess.
Starting point is 00:15:56 But I'm like, look, he's a teenager and April's like 30 and raised him. So I think if she was going to take the leap to interspecies dating, she'd do it with a mutant closer to her own age. You know what I mean? Sure. Like the rat.
Starting point is 00:16:09 Like the rat. I guess like the rat. Sure. What other mutants are there in this movie, Mason? That's a good point. It's the rat. It's just the rat.
Starting point is 00:16:18 Yeah. So some of the outrage that I mentioned early on came from this because an early screenplay had the turtles be be aliens from Dimension X. Oh, I remember that, yeah. I think that was part of the Michael, one of those Michael Bay interviews where I'll just say anything. It was probably right after the,
Starting point is 00:16:33 hey, Ninja Turtles fans could chill. You probably went, and by the way, they're aliens. And that also ties into, it was originally just going to be called Ninja Turtles. Oh, yeah. As opposed to all the other words that go in that title. Iconic Ninja Turtles. I agree, yeah. Shredder was also going to be an alien, which. Oh, yeah. As opposed to all the other words that go in that title. Iconic Ninja Turtles. I agree, yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:46 Shredder was also going to be an alien, which he has been before. That's true. He's been an Utrom before, and he was going to grow spikes, and there was going to be... Vanilla Ice was going to be in it. They were going to bring back Vanilla Ice. Absolutely. For a second Ninja Rap, which he has done, by the way. He was going to flip their house.
Starting point is 00:17:02 Yeah, that's right. He was going to flip some houses for the Ninja Turtles. He was going to flip their house. Yeah, that's right. He was going to flip some houses for the Ninja Turtle. He was going to flip their sewer. Yeah, absolutely. How do you feel about the action of this, though? I think the probably best sequence is the mountain sliding bit. Mm-hmm, yep. Because you can see everything.
Starting point is 00:17:15 That is true. They certainly jump about. I'll tell you this. I can't think, nothing springs to mind. What about the end, when they're on the roof? And they do a big leapfrog to kick Shredder in the head or whatever.
Starting point is 00:17:27 That's alright. I mean think about that scene and think about the scene at the end of the original Ninja Turtles movie when they put him in a trash compactor. They put him in a trash compactor
Starting point is 00:17:35 but before that Shredder just he just beats them up for 15 minutes. Sure does. Just takes it in turns to just slowly beat them up. That's true.
Starting point is 00:17:50 I mean there's so much more emotion and depth and the choreography is just like spectacular. And you know, all of those stuntmen are dying in those suits. Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just, and you know, it's like, oh no, we're going to release the poison cloud from Zack's tower. And then what? Which is basically the amazing Spider-Man thing.
Starting point is 00:18:04 Turn everyone into lizards or whatever. So they were going to release a big poison. Yes. And everybody would get poisoned and get sick. And then Eric Sax would come out and go, don't worry. We have the solution for that. We've got this formula which will fix you. And they're not going to be like, yeah, but we saw the gas come out of your tower.
Starting point is 00:18:20 The poison gas. I don't know. It's just, it's nothing. Is my point, Mason. Wow. Noise. Like a rustling chip packet next to your ear, Mason. Yes. That's what this movie is.
Starting point is 00:18:31 Some people find that very soothing. Helps them go to sleep. I doubt it. Just a bunch of chip packets on their pillow. So it's time for, would you agree though, Teenage Trivia Mutant Ninja. Trivia? Trivia. Okay, great. This is the part where Teenage trivia mutant ninja. Trivia? Trivia. Okay, great.
Starting point is 00:18:47 This is the part where we do trivia. So as you recall, and we've talked about this because we've covered all of those movies and it was. Those movies and you know what we're talking about. You do. So Megan Fox was fired from the Transformers movies. Yes, she compared Michael Bay to Hitler. Yep. And Steven Spielberg, who was one of the producers of those movies,
Starting point is 00:19:06 did not take kindly to that and asked for her to be removed. That's right. And yet, on the Michael Bay-produced Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie, she's back. She returns. Why not? Well, they basically figured it out. Her and Michael Bay, they came together and they went,
Starting point is 00:19:19 we're still mates and whatever, and he was like, you're still popular. Steven Spielberg can jump in a lake, they said. Whoa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Has he done it yet? I mean, maybe. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:27 Maybe he's got a lakeside house or something. He definitely has a lakeside house, yeah. Gets on a tyre swing, jumps in a lake. Yeah. So basically they just kind of cemented over that and they moved forward. But here's a fun little thing, Mason. So when Michael Bay actually offered the role to Megan Fox, who is apparently a huge fan, Megan Fox.
Starting point is 00:19:43 Of Megan Fox. No, she's a big fan of the turtle. I hope she is a big fan of Megan Fox. Yeah, you'd have to be, right? Yeah, I hope so. You've got to love yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on.
Starting point is 00:19:50 That's what they always say on Drag Race. Before you can love the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Wait, hang on, I'll do that again. Where's the joke here? You know the bit where they go... Love yourself before you... How the hell are you going to love anybody else? You know that?
Starting point is 00:20:04 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hang on, let me think. You know what they say on Drag Race? They say... bit where they go love yourself before you how the hell you're gonna love anybody else you know that yeah yeah let me think that you know what they say on drag race they say what do they say I'm lost I'm gonna find the thing I'm gonna find
Starting point is 00:20:15 the RuPaul thing luckily we have infinite time James yeah I know right James you know what they say on RuPaul's drag race they say if you can't love Megan Fox,
Starting point is 00:20:26 how the hell are you going to love the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? So true. Worth it. Completely agree. Terrific stuff, Mason. Yeah, that's right. Imagine if you had just zinged out with that straight away. No one will ever know.
Starting point is 00:20:37 You would have broken the internet. I would have broken the internet. In the shortened edit. It'll be seamless. It'll be great. But in the extended version, I'm going to look like a real dumbass. Yeah, great. So when Michael Bay actually offered the role to Megan Fox,
Starting point is 00:20:49 he jokingly added a potential nude scene to her contract, which she accepted, knowing she wouldn't have to commit to such a scene. Because the contract also stipulated that if she went nude, the Ninja Turtles would have to also go nude, and there'd be full Ninja Turtle dong. Excellent stuff. Iconic dong.
Starting point is 00:21:05 Iconic dong. Iconic dong. Now, this is the part that I find really interesting about this production. Oh, yes. It's how the four ninja turtles, the actors who mo-capped them, and some of them did the voices, some didn't. Like Johnny Knoxville is the voice of Leonardo in this, but he's not the mo-cap man. That's interesting.
Starting point is 00:21:21 You'd think he'd get into that, but I guess he's broken so many bones. They probably couldn't get him into the mocap scene. Absolutely not. Yeah, yeah. And then they couldn't get him out of it. It'd be the only thing holding him together. So Raphael is actually played by Alan Richson. Oh, that's Jack Reacher.
Starting point is 00:21:38 That is Jack Reacher. Goodness. That's second Jack Reacher. That would explain, though, why the turtles are so big then. Because they would have had to... Yeah, I guess. They would have had to rotoscope a Richson. But they're all not that big.
Starting point is 00:21:51 Yeah, I know. Like, he's clearly the biggest when you see them on set. So he spoke to Collider a few years ago about this production, and he said it is the worst production that he ever worked on. From the start, he didn't want to do it. But it turns out that nobody wanted to do it. And he eventually just was turned around on it because they were like, listen, you're going to be living and breathing this role. We're going to take you around the world.
Starting point is 00:22:12 It's going to make you a name. And he thought like, well, this is demographic that I'm not really like, I haven't really struck at the moment. And they framed it like Andy Serkis' Gollum. Oh yeah, okay, sure, sure, sure. But he was like, I't know it's it's paid like next to nothing and they were like trust us so anyway he did trust us where from hollywood sure i look like the monopoly man and i've got these big bags with dollar signs next to me that's i'm not giving you any of that but trust trust me just trust us yeah so they weren't
Starting point is 00:22:41 allowed to do any press for these movies well yeah, yeah, because you don't want to see the man behind the turtle. No, no, no, no, no. Also, he voiced Raphael. He was one of the ones who voiced it, but whatever. But also, they told people that they were refusing to do press. Oh, rude. And because of the nature of the role, that being a mo-cap, sometimes voice role, there's certain stipulations which you then don't have to
Starting point is 00:23:05 work into a contract, which means... Toilet breaks. None. Probably. So you don't get paid extra for meals. You don't get lunch. You don't get overtime. You don't get lunch.
Starting point is 00:23:15 Or you can pay for your own lunch, I guess. Well, that's no lunch at all. A not free lunch in Hollywood is no lunch at all, my friend. If there even was a lunch break. One time, after a 14-hour day, the four turtles were left on set whilst every other crew member was shuttled away because their contracts and unions stipulated that if they stayed longer, they'd get paid. Whereas the turtles, you could keep them for free.
Starting point is 00:23:40 So that's basically how they were treated. Wow. Yeah. And they built a big aquarium around him. That's right. Their only friend a skeleton that comes out
Starting point is 00:23:50 from behind a rock. But this did pay off for the studio. I bet. On a budget of $150 million it made $485 million which is the highest
Starting point is 00:24:04 unadjusted for inflation that a Ninja Turtles movie has made at the box office. So, you know, at least somebody made out big, Mason. I'm glad it was Hollywood. Me too. Thank goodness. But all in all, God, I don't know, man. It's just kind of a fucking mess.
Starting point is 00:24:21 Yeah, I didn't. It's noise. It is a little bit, isn't it? Yeah. Nothing. And it feels changed. Like you're watching it. kind of a fucking mess yeah i didn't it's noise it is a little bit isn't it yeah i not nothing and it feels changed like you're watching it hashtag not my ninja turtles no no i mean like the movie itself is clearly conflicting visions oh yes and also like very generous of you to say there were any visions at all i think there was initially and clearly like oh this is what the fans want and oh this is easier and whatever oh they let's not commit to the their aliens thing oh let's cover up their dongs yeah god
Starting point is 00:24:50 you know i want to see some iconic dongs mate absolutely yeah but uh look and and the end result is again like i said a movie that i watched and then immediately forgot i watched i was like better watch that so nothing jumps out again i maybe my opinion will be different next week when we've watched the sequel yeah but i remember the sequel it just has more cool cartoony stuff in it sure and casey jones is also in it and he's like well i want to be a cop or whatever yeah that iconic casey jones line i want to be a cop he says he says anyways you might want to see that video early, Mason. Maybe I do.
Starting point is 00:25:26 Yeah. Well, you can actually head over to bigsandwich.co where Ben and Lawrence. Maybe I will. Maybe you can. I will. Where Ben and Lawrence always get the edit done early and it goes up there. But that's not the only thing there, Mason. What else is there?
Starting point is 00:25:37 There's bonus podcasts. Oh, maybe I'll listen to them. There's video game Let's Plays. Maybe I'll watch those. We did some Ninja Turtles games there recently, didn't we? Oh, yeah. That's right. There's also movie commentaries. We've actually got a- Maybe I'll listen to them. Maybe I'll watch those. We did some Ninja Turtles games there recently didn't we? Oh yeah that's right. There's also movie
Starting point is 00:25:46 commentaries we've actually got. Maybe I'll listen to them. Maybe you will. There's also movie commentaries we've got the original Ninja Turtles movie commentary up there
Starting point is 00:25:53 don't we? That's right. That'll look so. Got a real new line classic that one. I agree. Grotty. Yeah.
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Starting point is 00:26:09 where we talk the movie of the week and all the news that's going on. That's right. What's going on. We'll look at it. We'll look at it. We'll tell you what we think. Yeah, maybe by the time this is out,
Starting point is 00:26:18 the new Ninja Turtles movie will be out. Maybe it will. We'll talk about that. Are we talking about it? It won't be. Oh. But maybe it will by the time. Well, in the future we will.
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