The Weekly Planet - Spider-Man 3 - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: July 13, 2019

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This podcast is part of the Planet Broadcasting Network. Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates. Up top, Mason, I just want to apolo- Welcome to Caravan of Garbage, everybody. You want to apologise for welcoming them to Caravan of Garbage. Absolutely. Yeah. Sorry, everyone. Yeah, you don't have to be here, but we appreciate it.

And apologise. But I do want to apologise to all the Spider-Man 3 apologists out there. I apologise that they like this crap movie. Oh, you got them. You got them. I got them. It's not that bad. It's pretty bad.

It's pretty bad. But upon rewatch, there are some bright spots in this one. I hadn't seen it until... I watched it when it came out at cinemas and I haven't seen it since. I've been ranting all the Spider-Man movies like on my TV, on Google Play or whatever.

Fun little side note, Spider-Man 3 is half the price of the other two just inexplicably do you think they went people want to bargain they love this movie and they want to bargain exactly that's right yeah that's really a case of like well i watched one and two and this one's well it's half the i guess i'll get changed from a 20 i guess i'm putting cash into my table sure yeah that's how that works and look if any point during this video people could leave a like that would help out greatly would it not absolutely i realized during this that i hate peter parker's happiness in these movies i think he's more insufferable happy than he is miserable yeah that's probably true when he's miming along to mary jane

yeah and he's just like and he's talking about how great it is to be spider-man and people that cheering chanting his name or whatever and i know the point of it is that he's not hearing Mary Jane and her problems. Yeah, right. But it's like this guy is just unbearable. And it's always accompanied by some sort of montage and maybe a little bit of music behind it. You're right, yeah. Why did he think that doing the upside-down kiss in front of Mary Jane

with a woman who's not his girlfriend would play? That he barely knows. He doesn't know at all, really. Also, that's half your face in the daylight with cameras. There's a lot of information that can be gleamed from people taking a photo of you. That's so true. They know you'd be man. They know you'd be white.

They got your dental records. From Gwen Stacy's mouth. That's right. Yeah, right. Yeah, I forgot Bryce Dallas Howard was in this. That's right. You know what? uh yeah i forgot i forgot bryce dallas howard was in this that's right you know what this movie is so long yeah it's so long 12 18 something like that i kept forgetting that various characters in the movie every 20 minutes a character would show up and i go oh yeah sandman's in this i forgot his entire plot line was in this movie

just before we started this i went i'll go to the spider-man 3 wikipedia page just to get a handle on this sure and it just and it said yeah and also starring uh thomas hayden church's flint mark on i'm like oh yeah there's a sandman plot in this movie he is the standout villain from this movie yeah well the original plan was to just kind of keep him as the main aside from new goblin obviously of course obviously yeah but keep him as like the one main villain but then there was push from the studio to put venom in and we'll get to that. Yeah, that's the downfall of a lot of superhero sequels.

Yeah. Just how many do we have left? Yeah, exactly. How many villains do we have left? Maybe we won't get enough. You know, three is a magic number for these kind of movies. Maybe we won't get a four. Just chuck in as many as you can.

And I guess Venom would have been a huge drawcard at the time. Yeah, but I think it obviously ended up backfiring on them by kind of cramming him in and then... To the tune of $900 million? Yeah, sure. Yeah, it really backfired on them. No, I just mean in terms of like backlash and them thinking that people want a reboot and not a Spider-Man 4.

But Flint Marco, though. Flint Marco Mako. Like the Marco Shark. No, no. No, no, no, no, no. There's ao. Like the Marco Shark. No, no. No, no, no, no, no. There's a lot of things I like about that character. I think it's a good performance. The look is good.

You like his T-shirt. I love his T-shirt. You like a T-shirt tucked into a nice pair of slacks. You know I do. The sand effects are incredible, you know. They're really good. Yeah. I'd forgotten.

It took him three years to develop that technology to make that formation kind of happen, you know, when he rebuilds himself and you feel the emotion with his daughter all of that is good his theme tune it's great mr sandman send me a man bring me the sandiest man that you can oh there he is yeah but when you see yeah when you see the like maybe the granules hand you see all the granules yeah uh-huh hadn't been done before. Not like that. I mean, sure, we'd seen big sand faces in The Mummy. Yep, that's right.

But this is the next level sand face. That's right. You mentioned the music, though, because the score of this isn't Danny Elfman because he had a miserable experience working with Sam Raimi on number two, so he quit. He's like, we're not friends and I'm not coming back. So they got Christopher Young to do it.

I think he does a good job. I couldn't tell, certainly. There you go. Apparently they did end up collaborating though like he did come back and uh for a little bit to kind of kind of help out that's interesting i don't really picture any of those big you know orchestral movie score guys collaborating in any way it's never even occurred to me i always thought they were just given the scenes yeah and then he went okay boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom and then he just sent it in and they went probably sure there's uh seems about right maybe he just sends in random tapes and they go i guess yeah there's this um you can cut this out but there's a guy there's a there's an electronic music guy called apex twin right like and it's all

like weird pumping electronic stuff right this would be perfect for the extended audio, Mason. You better believe it. You better believe it. Anyway, and so apparently one time the band The Lemonheads, if you remember Mrs. Robinson, The Lemonheads, they sent him a song to like remix. Yeah. And then he was just at home and he forgot about it. And then day of, he gets a knock at the door and it's a courier.

And the courier's like, can you give us the CD with The Lemonheads remix on it and so we just gave him a random tape and they took it and it exists now they went this is incredible you've done it again apex twin and it was just it was just anything it's just whatever he had on his like his desk he just gave the cd and was like that's it that's the remix i've really done a number on wow you'll barely recognize You've turned this into Age of Empires 2, the CD-ROM video game. That's right.

Incredible. The Sandman fight scenes are some of the best. There's some bad stuff in this, but when he's robbing the truck and he sweeps his legs out and he turns to Sandy, punches through him, they actually used an amputee in a Spider-Man suit to get that effect so they could do it on set

so it looks like he's got his arm right through him. Oh, right. Yeah, there's some good stuff there. There you go. Yeah. Amputee boxer, Baxter Humby. Oh, yeah. There you go.

Good name. Great name. And also, there was a moment where Sandman punches a brick, like a brick wall, and he's going for Spider-Man, and there's a big swing and a miss. Thomas Hayden Church punched a real brick in that because they told him they swapped it out. They're like, yeah, that's a fake brick and he hit it and they went oh we actually

we forgot to swap that out and he's like yeah i fucking know i just broke my hand there seems to be a theme emerging amongst the crew members of the spider-man movies which is they're violent thugs yeah and they want to hurt the cast of this movie absolutely if you go back over the videos there was plenty of examples of that very thing. But yeah. But yeah, a lot of the action sequences in this are surprisingly good. Yeah.

The opening sequence, which is Peter Parker versus New Goblin, is actually really good, I think. And I think it would be great if it was a villain we cared about on any level

or a recognisable villain. If that were the Hobgoblin. Well, it is a recognisable villain from this series yes for sure it's harry osborn but the costume really it's nothing it's absolutely nothing yeah was tony hawk and snowboarding big at this point in time yeah i guess so but like the mask is nothing i didn't even recall that it was a snow like a flying snowboard i thought it was a goblin glider up until i the rewatch all right okay oh that's a snowboard. I thought it was a goblin glider up until the rewatch. Oh, right, okay. Oh, that's a snowboard, yeah.

See, I think there are moments in that scene that look really good. For example, when he's trying to catch the ring out of midair and he shoots the web, and it's really Tobey Maguire moving past the camera. But there's a lot of CGI faces and men just tumbling over each other. A lot of that in this movie, I feel like there's less sets and more, and you mentioned this on Spider-Man 2, that we can kind of CGI anything now, but this movie really leads into that.

There's a lot of, we're fighting in a nothing space, you know, like that underground train tunnel that's just tunnels on tunnels and bridges and whatever. And the bit where New Goblin, our favorite new villain, is going through between the- There's so many villains you could have made him into. You didn't have to make him the Hobgoblin or the Green Goblin again. Anything. Apparently one of the masks you go past is supposed to be like a Hobgoblin reference. Because there's like a clear kind of perspex-y,

and I guess there's a bit of orange in it, but I didn't get that at all. Yeah. But you know the bit where he's going between the buildings, it just looks like he's standing nowhere. Just kind of ducking and weaving it back and forth. Well, I found it thrilling nonetheless. I found it.

I think maybe it's because my standards were so, like my expectations were so low for this one. I'm like, this is actually not bad. Not a bad opening. Yeah, okay. Did you like the bit though, and I know I did, where he gets clotheslined and just hits the ground so fucking hard. Like he really hits, he hits the wall and the bin and the ground so fucking hard yeah like he really hits he hits the

wall and the bin in the ground or whatever it's great this i think that is the biggest illustration that this isn't in a this isn't an mcu movie it's a it's a cartoony stylized spider-man movie because first of all he doesn't die immediately no powers or no powers but also he gets amnesia absolutely he does i'll try try that in a i mean sure the winter soldier has his own he gets amnesia. Absolutely he does. Try that in a... I mean, sure, the Winter Soldier has his own brand of amnesia, but, you know. That's different. It is different, yeah.

Yeah. Is it? I don't know. It's the little details that make it, you know. I love how Peter Parker's like, he's got amnesia. It's fine now. Yeah. We'll just hang out and play basketball.

We'll all make omelettes together. What should I do with the millions of dollars worth of dangerous military technology he has in his house? Just leave it there? Sure. Why not? What are the odds he'll get his memory back and go and retrieve those and try and kill me again? That performance is so weird, James Franco, in this movie. Like the bit where they're sitting together in the diner and having that discussion.

And, you know, he throws in the wink when he's out the window and he's eating the pie. Yeah, that's right. It's just, it's so, he's got that weird, like, dead eye. Also, did he finish the pie? No, I think he took it to go. I was going to say. In that nanosecond while the bus goes past, he's like, quick, can you take this to go?

Here's your tip. Okay. He calculated 20% out real quick. He's like, there you go. I love, though, when he finally figures out who he is and what he is and whatever. He threatens Mary Jane and is like, you better tell Peter Parker to bloody break up with him in a second

because I'm going to steal his heart or whatever. She's like, sure, no worries. She's not like, didn't he knock you out? And didn't he kill your dad and also beat up the octopus man? Like he could probably, when it came down to it, he could probably sort you out again, which he does. Yeah, he absolutely does, yeah. Yeah.

Like it's one of those situations where if everybody kind of just talks openly about it, like if they met on the bridge and she was like, hey, heads up, he's over there, and he threatened to kill me and kill you. As far as I know, he doesn't have super hearing, so we can really say anything we want. I mean, just act sad for a minute. I'm not actually breaking up with you. I'm just pretend I am and make a sad face.

You're very good at your sad faces, Peter. Absolutely. You clearly practice in the mirror. You're doing one right now, regardless of what I'm saying. So with you. I'm just pretend I am and make a sad face. You're very good at your sad faces, Peter. You clearly practice in the mirror. You're doing one right now regardless of what I'm saying. So just keep doing that and we'll pretend we're broken up. And then anyway, I'm going to be at the coffee shop with him later. Just clothesline him again. Of course, there's a third villain in this Spider-Man 3.

Why wouldn't you put one on? That is Venom. To me, the most disappointing villain from this, because New Goblin, who cares? Sandman. I wasn't really a fan at the time. You weren't a Sand fan. Exactly. Sandman fan, Sandman.

Yeah. You weren't Fanman. No. Your own character for Sandman. That's right. I understand. Yeah. So I heard when he was being put into the movie, I'm like, great, because I really want to see Venom on the big screen.

Toe for great. Yeah. Toe for great. Exactly. First off on that, you just just said then it's bad casting like the frosted tips he's too small like he put on like 24 pounds of muscle to play the role and he quit that 70s show to make it happen he's the antithesis to peter parker you know what i mean imagine a photographer but somewhat less unlikable in some ways i guess yeah yeah i mean exactly he's just he's not peter parker's opposite really no he just has some of the negative traits that peter parker

doesn't have peter parker has half the world's negative traits and eddie brock has the other half like the moment when he rolls up when there's the big crane accident which i think looks quite good because that's one of the you know it's a practical set that kind of drops and things slide across and whatever. And he's like, oh, that's your daughter hanging there. That's Gwen. Oh, by the way, I'm dating your daughter. It's not the time. Like, what are you doing?

Yeah. That's the farmer from Babe and probably Babe 2, Pig in the City. Probably, yeah. Exactly. Farmer Hogget. Ah, yes. Is it? Yeah.

Is that his name? He's like, that'll do, Eddie Brock. That'll do, all right? Yeah, but it's like the look of it's fine, I guess, because it's Venom,. Is it? Yeah. Is that his name? He's like, that'll do, Eddie Brock. Yeah. That'll do, all right? Yeah, but it's like the look of it's fine, I guess, because it's Venom, isn't it? And he's meant to be like the douchebag version of Peter Parker, I guess. Yeah. But at the same time, you know, we were all fans of Venom back in the 90s and 2000s. You want Eddie, I wanted Eddie Brock to be this hulking mass of a man.

Yeah. Like he's got to look, he's got to appear to be physically like he could bully Peter peter parker you know you're talking out of the costume right yeah out of the costume yeah and like the idea you know one of the the elements of the symbiote costume is that it enhances your own strength or it enhances what you already have and yeah like because eddie brock's supposed to be this kind of like quite strong bodybuilder that adds on to the spider-man strength and the symbiote strength to make him physically larger and more imposing yeah than than spider-man but the version we get he's he's the same size yeah exactly yeah you know i mean the the tom hardy venom movie got a lot of stuff wrong but at least size wise at least he got that lobster tank exactly what else do you want

yeah yeah nothing it was improv on set they didn't even know going to do it, but he got in that lobster tank, and then they're like, bring in some real lobsters, and they're like, is this a good movie? And they're like, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, does it? Tom Hardy says he's allergic to shellfish. It doesn't matter. Get him to bite some heads off.

These are Spider-Man movies. We don't give a shit about the actors. That's right. What I don't also like about this character is he just comes from nowhere. I'm talking about the symbiote symbiote whatever it just drops out

of the sky there's no explanation it's not like it's drawn to Peter Parker like it is maybe that's why it landed there but where did it

come from where did it come from yeah right yeah and I don't need an origin for everything but it could have easily been the version that was created

in a lab yeah uh huh I don't know but also one early version of what was going to be and we mocked this character

in the last movie John Jameson John Jameson was going to be, and we mocked this character in the last movie. John Jameson? John Jameson was going to bring it back from space. Perfect. Would have worked. Yeah. I mean, he would have turned up and I would have been, who's this?

Yeah. Oh, it's that boring guy who wouldn't shut up about space. And I guess if they'd laid the groundwork for that in Spider-Man 2, like in a final scene, or we see John Jameson arrive in nasa or whatever and he's got it in there we'd be like oh yeah that's pretty okay that makes a lot of sense that's some good foreshadowing but i guess uh sam raimi had no intention of putting venom in spider-man 3 so there wouldn't have been anything like that yeah exactly but they were like this has to be 12 and

18 minutes so you need to pad so do we know why he was so adamant against putting venom in i think it just wasn't a character that he enjoyed or related to. Right. And I think that's very evident in the way that they deal with him in the end, because he explodes. Sure. And you see his skeleton. Yep, you absolutely do.

Both the symbiote and Eddie Brock, gone. So dead. Yeah. Like, some of the villains, you're like, well, you know, there's still a body and whatever, and maybe the Green Goblin, he's a hallucination, he's coming back, and the Sandman blows off in the breeze, and Dr. Octopus, he he drowns but the arms could probably swim themselves away but this guy it's like no he was atomized yeah there's nothing left of this guy yeah yeah uh but apparently though that that intro with john jameson was to save time and money to bring him

back from space but just be like look what we found in space like you don't need to show him getting it bring it back no absolutely not No, absolutely not. Yeah, exactly. Because, again, this universe is kind of a closed universe. Yeah. It's just Earth and it's just what happens pretty much in New York. Yeah. And just to bring something out of space for no reason. Yeah.

It doesn't match the other kind of tone and the other characters that have been brought in at all. Early drafts for this movie, though, included The Lizard, who Dylan Baker plays. He turns up again from 2. And Electro. And before Venom, it was Vulture. So that's kind of the road that they kind of took to get here. But, of course, Mason, there's a fourth villain in this movie,

and that fourth villain is... New York City. No, Mason. A real Samantha. Isn't it just? It's Aunt May's boring story that goes nowhere because this character has nothing to do in this movie. I can't even remember what she does in this movie.

Remember the bit where she's like, okay, so... Wait, is her house being foreclosed on again? No, no, no, Mason. They already did that. It's gone. She's like, me and your uncle, when he proposed, we swam out to an island and both of us were really good swimmers. And when we got out there, he sat me down and he was like,

May, do you want to marry me? And she's like, I did want to marry him, but then I said no because I knew I was too young. And then we swam back and then we had a bit of bloody cobbler or whatever. But guess what? I retrieved this black substance from space while we were there. See, it ties all together. They could have done it all.

Yeah, that's right. That makes sense to me now. Yeah. Yeah, but there's, of course, a fifth villain in this movie, that being emo Peter Parker, who shows up. Oh, that's right.

It's weird and embarrassing and it looks ridiculous. He looks ridiculous. And I guess the justification is that this is what a real nerdy loser would imagine being a cool guy was like. What a 34-year-old guy would think a cool guy is, because he's still in college.

This is apparently set one year after two, and two is set two years after one. So it's technically 2021-ish. You can buy that, right? You can see it. Absolutely. I can tell from his youthful fringe. That's my favourite move, I think, in the whole movie,

is when he decides to be evil and he just fringes his hair and he just pushes it down and goes, yeah, that's what evil cool guys do. This is what I'm doing. And the dance sequence is embarrassing. It's also weird how some of the women are like, oh, hello, and some of the women are like, yuck. So that's why I'm like, is this supposed to be cool or not cool? I can't really tell what you're going for here.

And it doesn't work. And his cool guy clothes are about as cool as his regular clothes. They really are. They're just slightly darker. The eyeliner and the flat hair. Like, surely you'd go, emo's not going to last, is it? But I guess it was the era and you're kind of leaning into it. Emo certainly didn't think that.

Sure. Also, there's the bit where he... Has he always known how to play piano? Has he just lacked the confidence to play piano? That's a really good question. Or is he integrating himself with the symbiote giving him piano playing abilities? Maybe the symbiote could play space piano and then just brought those kids down. Spiano? Yeah, spiano.

Yeah. Incredible. Yeah, and then he punches Mary Jane in the face. So that's really good, isn't it? I disagree. Yeah. Well done, everyone. This whole sequence is really, really good and well thought out. Yeah. But jazz, you know? But jazz.

It's all about the girlfriends you don't punch. You can take that out. Of course, Bruce Campbell returns as a French waiter. It's got my favorite line in it where he just says, Romance, I am French. And then there's a pause. He's not French. What, Bruce Campbell isn't French?

No, I just mean they were always going to do Quentin Beck, right? Because he's clearly not French in this movie. I don't think they... Look, I don't buy that theory at all. They were rolling it into four. There are storyboards that he was going to... For part four, that he was going to be in the studio. I'm aware of

that but i feel as as we know sam ramey puts bruce campbell into all his movies regardless like whether it's uh he's he's right at the end of dark man he's the last mask in dark man he's probably in that wizard of oz prequel yeah probably yeah yeah but anyway what i'm saying is i know i know the prevailing fan theory is that all his appearances in the first three Spider-Man movies, it's Quentin Beck and he's maneuvered Spider-Man into some sort of situation. Yeah. But I think the storyboard of him being led away, it's just the start of four and he's just defeated a terrible, lame, bad guy in the form of Mysterio. I'd love to know what people think in the comments below. Me too.

Me also. Tobey Maguire didn't work out for this movie. I was keeping a close eye on him. I'm like, what's going on here? He got ripped for one. We saw he shirtless two. We get a little bit of a peek in front of the window. Spider-Man 3, he Blade 3'd it.

Yeah, he Blade 3'd it, which is fine because he still looks good. But the moment where he's tearing off the symbiote and you see the back of him, it's just some other dude. Like the back of his head. That's not him. Which is fine, man. I mean, doing that is super difficult. But yeah, I just think that's important that I let people know that I realise that.

Sure. Did you know there is an alternate editor's edition of this movie? Really? Yeah. It wasn't done by Topher Grace, was it? Because I know he does his own edits of things, right? He does it. He does Star Wars prequels. He matches them all together.

Exactly. I don't believe so. This was released officially a few years back. One of the moments I mentioned earlier where the butler, who's actually Bill Paxton's dad. Huh. There you go. Bill Dadston.

Bill Dadston, yeah. That dude's way too old to be a butler, by the way. He's like 87 years old. He shouldn't be butlering. The family should have been like, you could have retired 20 years ago. Don't make this guy work. Yeah, that's exactly right. You'd think if you were a nice rich family, you'd be like,

we'll call you if you need, just be in the guest house. But Harry Osborn's like, get some food. We've got guests. Lay out a meat platter. Whatever your name is. I don't even know. So in the alternate cut, he actually picks up a photo of his friends, like him and Mary Jane and Peter.

Harry Osborn does. Yeah. And he's like, oh, that's right. We're all mates. And I'm going to go help in the bloody Sandman fight and the Venom fight at the end. Which makes more sense to me. Not a guy being like, you know, the Goblin Glider was your bloody dad killed himself or whatever. In his balls.

And the other idea was that the butler was going to be another illusion of Harry representing his good side. So his father was the bad side and the butler wasn't real. At which point did this happen in the movies? I do not know. They're his parents. I guess they are. So there you go. There's another.

He looks at their wedding photo, the butler and Norman Osborn, and he goes, I should do what my other dad, the butler, says and you'd be proud of me. Does that mean the butler was never real? That's what I'm, I don't know. So that means that when he went, butler, we've got guests, put some food out. He would have spent the rest of the scene going, butler didn't put any food out. You're fired. So another one is a shot of Peter looking cautiously at the box that holds his black suit.

The Christopher Yang score is added to more scenes. There's a moment when Sandman visits his daughter and there's a sand castle. I thought the Sandman was in this. Yeah, he's in it, Mason. He's in the movie. And they cut that very long May Parker scene, which is no good. Not that they cut it.

It's a no good scene and I'm glad that they cut it. I understand, sure. You know how this movie is all about some recycled ideas, including the bit where Mary Jane is kidnapped again

or whatever. Oh my God, she's kidnapped so many times in this series. What's going on there? Well, apparently they just recycled her screams from part two as well.

Incredible. Whatever. People aren't going to notice. And we didn't, clearly. No, and I imagine once you reach a certain level of stardom, there's an element in your contract that just says, she's not going to scream anymore. You don't scream for nobody.

You get to the third in a threequel. Don't even worry about it. This actually changed during shooting because Bryce Dallas Howard was going to be the one who was kidnapped and Mary Jane goes to Harry and goes, go and save Bryce Dallas Howard and help Spider-Man. And he's like, all right, then I will. And Kirsten Dunst, she wasn't happy about that.

And Sam Raimi, like, apologized to her. He's like, I'm so sorry, but this is the way this movie's going. But it's dull. So did Kirsten Dunst want to be kidnapped? No, she did not want to be kidnapped. I was going to say, it would surprise me if she kicked the door in one day out of the director's office and was like, what, I'm not getting kidnapped in this one?

This is a disgrace. What am I even here for? You're recycling my screams? Are you kidding me? Aye! There's a fresh one for you. That one's for free. The next one I'll cost you. I like the final battle in the construction site for the most part.

The British reporter is terrible. Oh, Mrs. Exposition. It's hard to believe what's happening the brutality you know there's a bit where Venom's got Spider-Man pinned down and the Sandman's just

laying into him and then it just cuts back to that comical moment of this reporter and we see it we know it's bad we don't need somebody telling us

and again like that's I feel a hallmark of this series is that it is people pointing out things as they happen exactly but it's it's

comic books move to the big screen sort of as literally as possible yeah and in a comic book i think you know of like 1970s or 80s vintage yeah which i feel like a lot of this these movies are kind of based on because that's really sam ramey's wheelhouse there would be a reporter in there just just standing stock till in a panel. This is what's happening. Yeah, exactly. In case these bad pictures aren't clear. Exactly. This is what's happening, yeah.

I do like the return of New Goblin, though. Who wouldn't? It's everyone's favourite character, New Goblin. But the bomb in the ear, I think that's a good kind of arrival point. For sure, yeah. And it blows out the side of his head and he's like breathing kind of fire and smoke, like coughing it up. I think it's quite good, yeah. And then he's impaled like his head and he's like breathing kind of fire and smoke, like coughing it up. I think it's quite good.

Yeah. And then he's impaled like his dumb dad. Sure, yeah. Oh, I've been impaled. Like your dumb dad. Thanks, Peter. I think the Sandman has a good ending, though. I mean, he does.

I mean, he did brutalize a lot of people. Yeah. He beat up all those cops. Yeah, he did. For his daughter of people. Yeah. He beat up all those cops earlier on. Yeah, he did. For his daughter or whatever. Yeah, for sure. But I think, you know, Peter comes to the realisation that he's living with hate in his heart.

Oh, and he killed his uncle. He killed his uncle. I was going to ask you about that retcon. I know you're not really a fan. Did this change anything for you? No, I still hate it. Yeah. Yeah, uh-huh.

It being the original guy, when Peter gets him, it kind of closes the book on that. Yeah. And then he's doing what he's doing, not out of some sort of vengeance or whatever. He's doing it because it's the right thing to do. And I feel like leaving the guy out who murdered your uncle just out in the world. Yeah. It's no good.

Yeah, fair enough. I did like the moment where he's explaining to him that he's like, look, your uncle said, you know, why don't you just put the gun down and just walk away? And he's like, look, I realize that, you know, he was just trying to help me or whatever. I thought, I think that's genuinely a good moment. Yeah, for sure. And then he kind of gets his redemption and he blows away in the breeze. The only villain from this series to survive definitively. Oh, right.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah. So I quite like that. Anyway, everyone just cries at each other and that's the end. It's, look, it's a mixed bag to be sure. Absolutely. Yeah. But yeah, not as bad as i remember it being but again i think at the time expectations were high yeah it was an era where there wasn't going to be another superhero movie the next month sure you know you know the superhero

movies were hitting the mainstream but you still had to convince people like no these these can be good kind of thing and yeah and to get rise of Silver Surfer, don't even worry about it. It's going to be incredible. They're putting in the Fantasticar. That's right. So head on down. Sam Raimi, though, was deeply unhappy with how this movie turned out. He hoped to make the fourth film.

That was the plan. And he was going to make up for it in doing that. We talked about the storyboards, how, you know, it was all fleshed out. It was pretty much ready to go. They were talking about as late as, like, like 2011 and he was having meetings with sony and they kept going like you sure you want to come back because you know we you know maybe you want to move on maybe you want to do something else and he was like do you want me back and they kind of came to this realization that well he came to realization that maybe they didn't and they wanted to to do the reboot yeah i think they

would have all the power there. That seems very diplomatic for a huge multinational entertainment company. You'd think that he'd come in and they'd get some of his movie crew to beat him up. Sure. They'd do it. They'd absolutely do it. They do not even care. But yeah, he also said that this movie just raises the stakes.

But to what end? Because it doesn't serve the characters. It just kind of goes bigger. And longer. And longer, yeah. I want them to make a fourth one, genuinely. In what form? I'd like them to give it back to Raimi, make a movie set within this universe.

I mean, who knows where Venom's set? They've got Spider-Verse. They've got the MCU version. They did the Garfield version. I think you could continue this. I think it's been long enough that you could cycle back around to this, and I think it would do very well. Now, when you say that, who's in this hypothetical sequel in this Spider-Man 4?

The villains that they were going to originally use have now been used. No, I mean actors. Same. Tobey Maguire's back. Yeah, bring everybody back. Just do another one. I think the same thing with the Keaton Batman. I'm not saying scrap the new Batman.

I'm not saying scrap the new Spider-Man. I'm saying we're in an era now where people understand that there are different superheroes in different universes. We don't need another origin. We don't need like, well, what if Peter Parker was 16 again and he was bitten by another spider? Did the MCU even know that? They didn't even go that way.

How about this? How about what if they teased it in Spider-Verse 2 and then gauged that popularity? Yeah, I'd take that. Okay, I'd probably see another one. So it would be set now? Yes. Okay, right.

And, you know, you come back to Peter Parker when he's 64 years old. However old Tobey Maguire would have to be now. I think he's like 43 or something like that. Oh, so he'd be 32 in the movie. That's right, exactly, yeah. It's my 21st birthday. Yeah, I mean maybe that's a fool's dream

but I think with all this multiverse stuff happening and you know there is call for a live action Spider-Verse movie then maybe

that's the way what if it's a YouTube short no like fuck off the Punisher Dirty Laundry actually I like that one that's the only good one

yeah right anyway this has been Caravan of Garbage for Spider-Man 1, 2 and 3 we will come back and do Spider-Man 1, 2 and 3 we will come back and do Spider-Man 4

when it's finally released as you just mentioned yeah until then no videos that's right we'll be doing the Andrew Garfield versions probably next time

a Spider-Man movie rolls around I think I need a bit of a break from these Spider-Man movies for a while would you watch an amazing Spider-Man 3

no that one I wouldn't what about all the stuff in the basement oh yeah there's a lot of shit in that basement isn't there wouldn't. What about all the stuff in the basement? Oh, yeah, there's a lot of shit in that basement, isn't there? There's a lot of backpacks in that basement filled with cool guns and stuff. Look, I'll take a YouTube short where they just go, yeah, the basement was flooded.

Yep, yep. We lost it all. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, look, if you've got a suggestion for Caravan of Garbage, bloody, we'll take a look. What do you want to see? And what do you think of the Raimi trilogy in general? Are these good?

Do these hold up having given them a bit of a breather and coming back I kind of have a newfound respect for them me too I was pleasantly surprised

I think if you realise they're nowhere close to being even set anywhere near the real world they're set in a very comic book-y very stylised

at a very specific time in movie history very kind of four colour superhero comic book world. I think they work really well. Yeah. I mean, this one less so.

Sure. But you know, you know what's up. I know. Anyway, I'm at MrSundayMovies on Twitter. I'm at WikipediaBrown on Twitter. We, of course, have our podcast, The Weekly Planet, where we talk movies and comics and TV shows. We recently did an episode on the new Spider-Man movie, Far From Home.

I'll link that below if you want to check it out. Thanks, everybody. Grab that gem, you guys. We'll see you next week. Goodbye. And now it's time for us, as we did at the end of every one of these videos, is to sing the pop rock song that was released with this movie. Was there one, really?

Yeah. It was the Dashboard Confessional again. No, it was probably whatever the fuck Jared Leto's dumb fucking band was. 30 Seconds to Mars. I don't think it was them. But it's probably something like, Hope's got you by the webs. What are you going to do?

Can't escape. Put your fringe down. Sand man. He's here. Oh, no. It's Benham 2. Is that it? Yeah, that was absolutely it.

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