The Weekly Planet - Supergirl 1984 - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: March 9, 2023

We are fast approaching the second movie adaptation of Supergirl with Sasha Calle appearing in The Flash 2023. But before Sasha Calle and even Laura Vandervoort from Smallville and Melissa Benoist in... the Arrowverse there was the 1984 movie. Set in the Christopher Reeve Superman universe it sees Helen Slater take on the role in a truely bizarre adventure which is entirely divorced from reality and logic. Is it good? No. Is it weird? Yeah it's real weird. Thanks for listening to our Caravan Of Garbage review!SUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNHelp support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies The Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:54 Welcome back, everybody, to Caravan of Garbage, where this week we're taking a trip through time and also... Space and maybe dimensions, maybe a pocket dimension, the Phantom Zone. My sanity. Your sanity's in the Phantom Zone. My sanity. Your sanity's in the Phantom Zone. It's spinning around in a big pane of glass. Leave a like.
Starting point is 00:01:10 Yeah, if you wouldn't mind. Terrible. Oh, my God. It's not often we watch something this terrible. Well, I maybe saw this as a very young child. I definitely did. I remember the dragon, and I remember coming out of a lake. Yeah, all I remember, I think I remembered Supergirl, obviously,
Starting point is 00:01:27 and then her nemesis was a sort of like Maleficent, Evil Lynn style sorcerer situation. But boy, this movie is bad and long. It's so long. And we learned recently, apparently the American release, cinemas at the time in 1984, Supergirl 1984, it was 105 minutes. They trimmed it down.
Starting point is 00:01:45 They're like, a lot of this needs to go. And guess what? They were right. But the present day one, oh, what a treat. We get some sort of director's cut, don't we? Some sort of... This is like the international release as well, the version that we watched.
Starting point is 00:01:57 Paid money for. Two hours. Yeah. It's too long. It's way too fucking long. And the thing is as well, they weren't actually even going to release this after Superman 3. So that movie came out.
Starting point is 00:02:07 We've talked about it. It's not good and it underperformed. And then I guess they saw a cut of this and went, yeah, no. So TriStar picked it up. Just no. So TriStar picked it up and went, yeah, okay, let's release this. And I guess to this film's credit, and there's maybe like three things I could say that I like about it,
Starting point is 00:02:26 is that it is in a lot of ways a genuine attempt at a spin-off of the Chris Reeve Superman universe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it's very clearly set in that world. I mean, tiny disadvantage in that Christopher Reeve did not want to be in this. No. And so they had a little news report on the radio where the announcer's literally like,
Starting point is 00:02:45 Superman had to go into a space and he had to go a million trillion light years away. He won't be back for the duration of this. If you think maybe he'll pop up at the end maybe to help out or something or shake Supergirl's hand at the end and say, good job, slugger, or whatever, no, he will not. So the initial plan was that, yeah, he was definitely going to cameo and that was right up until the last minute. But yeah, he's on a peacekeeping mission of some description. Come on.
Starting point is 00:03:09 Come on, they don't have another Superman type like a million trillion light years away. Come on. They've probably got a Green Lantern. Probably a Green Lantern, a Mon-El. Maybe Mon-El is out there. Maybe Mon-El. Speaking of funny, funny names and funny words.
Starting point is 00:03:22 Sure. Oh, I guess the definitive tie-in is that Mark McClure is back as Jimmy Olsen. That's right. Who I like as Jimmy Olsen, but I tell you what, I don't like him in this. Due to no fault of his own. The writing is suspect for a lot of characters and a lot of the plot of this. It's very suspect. Let's break down the plot, though.
Starting point is 00:03:40 Normally we don't really do a beat by beat anymore. Also, a lot of the time people do remember. We don't need to break down the plot of iron man because everybody's seen iron man yeah but nobody's seen this and for good reason but so cara lives in argo city yep which is it used to be a city on krypton but it wasn't destroyed when krypton exploded because it got shunted off into an altered dimension or something into a lake into a lake we'll talk about it later now argo is powered by something called the omega hedron which is like a big marble that contains like ultimate unlimited
Starting point is 00:04:13 energy and it can do anything it can transform matter it can create artificial life it can really do any number of things so one of the guys who's responsible for it just takes it out and just has a bit of a go on it, doesn't he? And goes, look at this. Just wandering around the city being like, look at what I can do. Just showing off little tricks, letting little kids have a go on it.
Starting point is 00:04:34 What are you doing? At one point, he kicks it across the floor. He's not even looking and he just... Like, imagine this in any modern context. Imagine, like, it's bring your daughter to work day at the nuclear power plant and some engineer just pulls a plutonium rod out and just chucks it to their little girl.
Starting point is 00:04:50 You'd go to prison. Oh, and then it goes out the window. Oh, yeah, as a sequence of events that perhaps, you know, involve giving it to an incompetent girl, Kara. It goes flying out the window and everybody's like, we're all going to die. What are you doing? What are you doing, Zoltar?
Starting point is 00:05:07 This Zoltar predates Big Zoltar by many years. Oh, right. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. It's Peter O'Toole and he's got this amazing 1970s shaggy hair. Looking good. Clearly he had it done in the 70s.
Starting point is 00:05:19 I was going to say. I'm not changing this. Yeah, I'm not changing this. I've peaked and I'm never going back. A British man has never had better hair than this. Completely agree. Anyway, so then Kara, sorry, the citizens of Argo were like, we're all going to die now because you were just.
Starting point is 00:05:34 You basically shot our generator out of a window. You were doing walk the dog with our ultimate power source and now it's gone. So Kara gets in their one and only spaceship. She just gets in it, and it just activates itself, and then it flies in search of the Omega Hedron. But fortunately, the Omega Hedron lands on Earth in the picnic spread of a witch.
Starting point is 00:05:57 Just witchy as well, because are there a bunch of witches in this world? Here's something I'll give it credit for. Yes. So the villain in this is a witch. It's Faye Dunaway. Yep. Great. Good stuff.
Starting point is 00:06:09 I do like some of the casting in this. They clearly put a lot of money into the casting and some other things and they're not other things. Yes. But one of Superman's weaknesses and as an extension of that Supergirl is magic. Now you say that and that is true and I did have that thought, but I absolutely think you are giving the movie too much credit. Oh, like that they thought about it. That, you say that, and that is true, and I did have that thought, but I absolutely think you are giving the movie too much credit. Oh, like that they thought about it.
Starting point is 00:06:27 That they thought about that. I think they just went, okay, Supergirl, what are girls like? Girls like witches and magic and spells and potions, don't they? And fairy dust? Just make her a witch. Who cares? You're right. I don't think they went, well, canonically,
Starting point is 00:06:39 the Superman family's weakness is magic, so we're going to include that. You're 100% right. I'm sorry. Anyway, this witch is sort of magic, but not a little bit magic. Got a real creepy British guy who's teaching her some magic, but he also works at the girls' boarding school, which Kara ends up attending. But she should be searching for the power source. Yes, here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:07:01 All right, let's, okay. So she lands on Earth, and the ship lands in the water. She emerges fully formed as Supergirl with the costume and everything. They don't explain that. Well, she has the powers of like 1970s Superman family. It's like Clark Kent in the other movies. Well, her hair changes colour and whatever. There is a moment, yeah, she emerges as Supergirl
Starting point is 00:07:22 and her job should be just fly around the world in a second and find the thing and grab it yeah and leave and you maybe have a watch that tells you when you're close to it or you don't i'm not sure easy done this should have been a five minute job but she emerges from a forest and she sees a bunch of girls at sort of a private prep school playing baseball and she's like i reckon i'll waste a lot of time in this situation for some reason. I guess Clark has a secret identity that we know about somehow. So I'll just do that. And there's a moment where she sort of
Starting point is 00:07:52 she walks past, she walks behind a bunch of trees and she magically transforms into Linda Lee which is a character she sort of invents and she's got all her hair suddenly dark and then she's got the private school uniform on. And again it's like 1970s superman magic in the 80s yeah but i like to think that what she's actually doing is she's just running at super speed and she's just killing and skinning a bunch
Starting point is 00:08:15 of like stray students she's like oh i'll take that blazer oh i'll take this person's scalp here we go but yeah so then there's then there's like high school hijinks. Yeah. She's like, she takes a name from Robert E. Lee. It's the weirdest high school. Oh, yes, she does. It's the weirdest high school as well because what is that principal doing? Like she walks in on him and he's just like, oh, I hate everything and I'm a bad guy and I hate all my staff.
Starting point is 00:08:42 Oh, you know what I'm talking about. Anyway, let's all walk into this girl's dormitory together. You're a grown man. What are you doing? It's the 80s. I mean, it's sort of the 70s, but it's the 80s. What are you doing? Horrible.
Starting point is 00:08:53 I just have a note here that says, I'm very concerned about who's in love with who in this movie in all their various ages. Okay, another big part of this movie is that Faye Dunaway creates a love spell because she wants a random landscaper who happens to be working on the school. But she doesn't make a lot. She wants this guy to fall in love with her, right?
Starting point is 00:09:16 But she doesn't use the ultimate power of the Omega Hedron, which could presumably do this, that she has in her possession already. She's like, I'm going to use some sort of home brand love potion made out of eye of newt or whatever. She's like, is this going to work? I don't know. Just use the reality bending thing, I reckon. Maybe.
Starting point is 00:09:35 I don't know. So the idea is that when he comes out of his trance, the first person he looks at, he'll fall in love with. This is a fucking Supergirl movie. Anyway, so when he eventually comes out of his trance after a little action sequence, he obviously looks at Supergirl and he falls in love with her, but then it wears off,
Starting point is 00:09:51 but then he's just in love with her anyway, and she's just like, cool, whatever, we're hanging out. Also, it's Hart Bochner. It's the coked-up 80s guy from Die Hard, which I love. Big fan of that. That's right. But how old's he, and how old's she supposed to be?
Starting point is 00:10:04 Well, she's a school student. Yeah, and he's an adult, presumably. Yeah, he's an adult man. And also, Linda Lee is rooming with Lucy Lane. Yes. Who looks about 14, but she's in love with Jimmy Olsen, it seems. And Jimmy Olsen comes to visit for the weekend. And he looks a bit like a kid, but he's also 40.
Starting point is 00:10:24 He's a man. He's a man. He's a man. And everybody's like, all of this is fine. There's no meta commentary. At the end, they don't all get put in a room and be like, stop this. Jor-El's come. I've come back from the dead. I'm just telling you all this is inappropriate.
Starting point is 00:10:38 Yeah. Coming from me. Exactly. Marlon Brando. That's pretty rich. I know that. Maybe you should pay attention. Well, I don't like any of the schooling or lessons here or any of the kryptonian architecture just to get back to it with
Starting point is 00:10:51 argo city what is that weird open plan situation like there's school and art and bean bags and there's no walls and like it's all encased in like glad wrap it was like an ewok village but with all the color leeched out. I didn't understand it. I guess that's their culture, James, and you've got to respect their culture. I guess I do. But it's weird because they clearly put money into things like that and they put money into the casting
Starting point is 00:11:13 because as mentioned, Peter O'Toole, Faye Dunaway, Mia Farrow. And then they put a million dollars, literally a million dollars into the opening credits. And then they've got other bits where... Oh, just the weird glowing stuff. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:24 Just the... Just the goes forever. Just some lines and text. That where- Oh, just the weird glowing stuff. Yeah. Just the- Just the goes forever. Just some lines and text. That was a million dollars. Yes. Astounding. But then there's other bits where they actually just put a cut out of Supergirl on a piece of wood and just pulled it out of the lake.
Starting point is 00:11:37 Yeah, right. And you see the wire. You see the wires in this all the fucking time. Supergirl just loves flying over stock footage of wild animals. Yep. Just badly composited into that. Absolutely. If we mention casting. Yeah. in this all the fucking time. Supergirl just loves flying over stock footage of wild animals. Just badly composited into that. Absolutely. If we mention casting,
Starting point is 00:11:51 I really like Helen Slater as Supergirl. I think she's fine, yeah. I think she's got the look. I think she's got the sort of wide-eyed naivete of a person experiencing a culture for the first time. Although at the same time, sometimes they do go a bit far because sometimes she can understand sixth dimensional Kryptonian mathematics,
Starting point is 00:12:06 and sometimes she's like, what's a tree? Yeah. Come on. Yeah, come on, man. She also writes a cover letter for herself. That's true, yeah. She's like, oh, I know what that is. I'll just quickly type that up.
Starting point is 00:12:16 That's no problem. That's right. Bizarre 70s Superman logic. I'll just put it in this filing cabinet, which I know what it is. Exactly. You wouldn't know unless it's white and crystal. What are you talking about? You know what know what it is. You wouldn't know unless it's white and crystal. What are you talking about? You don't know what any of this is.
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Starting point is 00:13:31 Help CAMH build a future where no one is left behind. So, who will you rise for? Register today at sunrisechallenge.ca. That's sunrisechallenge.ca. And you see that I think the suit is genuinely good, especially for the era. SurpriseChallenge.ca That's why she's got the headband and it's this. Yeah, yeah. It was what this was going to be. And then they changed it and then the comics were left in a lurch with like, oh, well now we've made one of the worst costumes of all time. Yeah. Great stuff.
Starting point is 00:14:12 And also, yeah, she's bad at being Supergirl. Like, so the big action sequence in the town, there's a moment where she has to put out a fire and instead of using like her freeze breath or her wind breath or whatever, she just punctures a fucking water tower. Yeah. Which is, like, thatures a fucking water tower. Yeah. Which is, like, that's the town water supply, presumably. And also, can't put out a tire fire with water.
Starting point is 00:14:31 That's a great point. Use sand. Rookie mistake, Supergirl. Should have used her sand eyes. That's right. Maybe it's a sand ear. I don't know. I don't know what they do on Krypton.
Starting point is 00:14:39 Yeah, she's got a sand ear. Oh, my God. I've got a Beech's worth in here. And she tears. And Hart Bochner is being, like, captured by a crane or. Oh, my God. I've got a Beech's worth in here. And she tears. And Hart Bochner is being captured by a crane or whatever. A digger. I can't remember. So she tears the end off it while he's in there.
Starting point is 00:14:53 And just lets the machine. And it just crashes. With Lucy Lane in it. Asleep at the wheel. Like, literally asleep. By the way, Jimmy Olsen, who happens to be in town at the same time. Maybe he'll have learned some lessons from Superman and he'll get in on the rescuing action.
Starting point is 00:15:07 Nup. Maybe he'll take a photo. Yeah. He doesn't. Oh, that's one of my work colleague's relatives that presumably she loves and cherishes. I'll just take some photos as she crashes into a convenience store. You're a monster, Jimmy.
Starting point is 00:15:21 And you're going to jail for other things. And there's also so much faffing about in this, and a lot of that is like love potion related. But what I also, here's another thing that I do like. Faye Dunaway, the evil witch, has a mate who just hangs out with her. And she just kind of stands next to her the whole time, punching darts, being like, yeah, I don't know. Oh, that didn't work.
Starting point is 00:15:39 That magic you tried didn't work. Try something else. I don't know. Maybe we shouldn't. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe we shouldn't. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But, you know, it's interesting because she's getting a heart balkner
Starting point is 00:15:51 out of all kinds of scrapes, you know, except there's a moment where she doesn't stop a coconut falling out of the sky. A precision-aimed, laser-guided magic coconut that Faye Dunaway hurls from the very heavens to crack him on the skull. Yeah. There's also a moment earlier when she's playing baseball and she just lets a baseball just, like, smash into her back and turn to dust. And everybody's like, that seems normal. That's fine, right?
Starting point is 00:16:19 Yeah. Oh, and then she curtails some high school bullying at one point. Yep, yep, yep. A couple of the bullying girls are going to turn on some scalding water in the shelves and burn everybody's skin off. Yeah, like a Porky style. Yeah, yeah. But then Supergirl turns on the heat vision and kills them both, presumably.
Starting point is 00:16:34 Here's another good thing. There's a great cowboy switch. I also think there's some great wire work in this in general. I think she looks quite graceful and clearly well-practiced at a lot of that. There's a moment where she flies down from the sky and it's clearly, you know, that's the stunt double, goes through or looks like she goes into a pipe and then Linda Lee runs out the other side.
Starting point is 00:16:55 That's right. And I'm like, I like that also because you don't see the transformation. So you don't have to like- Because they couldn't afford the transformation. But they could rent some pipes. I mean, they do it, but it never makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:05 So just to not see it. So you're like, I don't know, she got changed quickly. Who cares or whatever. I like that. So at the end, she gets stuck in the Phantom Zone, which is like a mud planet. And then Peter O'Toole's there and he's like, yeah, I went to jail because I kicked that thing out the window.
Starting point is 00:17:21 Yeah, I remember my gross mishandling of that thing. Everybody's dying in the city because I took it out and I did some juggling tricks with it. I did some contact juggling with this ultimate power source. Well, yeah, they exiled me to the Phantom Zone. They should. They should have just shot you with a regular gun. Exile's too good for you, Peter O'Toole.
Starting point is 00:17:43 Completely agree. And she's like, we've got to get back to Earth. We've got to get out of the Phantom Zone. And he's like, well, you can't. Oh, wait, we can probably climb this mountain, actually. Yeah. That might get us out. One of us, at least. And she does, and she gets out, and at the end she fights a dragon that she fought earlier that was
Starting point is 00:17:57 invisible. And she's like, I can't do this. I'm being stretched. And Peter O'Toole is like, oh, just do it. I'm Obi-Wan now. And she's like, alright, I will. She does. She does. And then she flies into a lake. Yep. And that's the end. Great stuff. Because you don't see her
Starting point is 00:18:13 land on Earth, right? Yes. She just comes out of the lake. And at the end she just goes back into the lake. Do you think it's a metaphor? Do you think it's something to do with the lady in the lake? I just assumed it was some kind of like pocket dimension in the lake. I don't know because even the idea, Peter O'Toole says this up top, of leaving this horrible place where they all live,
Starting point is 00:18:33 this crystalline open spaced WeWork fucking situation that I hate. He's like, you can't. You'll be crushed. You'll die if you ever leave. So I don't know how she left or got back. And I've even written here, Mason, explain it to me. I can't. But I have some miscellaneous stuff.
Starting point is 00:18:52 Matt Frewer is in this. He is. Max Hedrum himself. He was in my green trivia. All right then. Well, now he's out. You're out, Frewer. No stranger to superhero stuff.
Starting point is 00:19:02 He's also in Watchmen. He's also in Watchmen. He's also in Watchmen. He's in the Generation X pilot that we'll cover one day. Boy, is he. Yeah. That's good stuff. He's also in good stuff. He's in Orphan Black as well.
Starting point is 00:19:12 Yeah, he's in good stuff as well. He's in good stuff. He's in Zack Snyder's Dawn of the Dead. I think Lucy Lane has a Warren Beatty poster in her dorm room. Sure. I think. But that makes sense because Faye Dunaway and Warren Beatty's true. And Warren Beatty were both in Bonnie and Clyde. Yeah, and that's funny.
Starting point is 00:19:26 That's funny. Yeah. That's funny. Okay, I just had two things. Well, those are great things, though. Actually, I have a note here that says, Supergirl arrives on Earth and just explodes a man's nuts. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:35 Just kicks him so hard that he's propelled off God's own green Earth and through a fence, and that would have put his nuts in his throat is all I'm saying. What is interesting about that interaction is she's clearly doing supergirl stuff and they're like oh yeah what about this a knife and it's like dude come on what are you what are you doing this is a world that has superman on it what do you think's gonna happen come on well superman's on holiday that's true so maybe they'll involve you do you think that they would beat her up and then superman would show up and and give him a stern talk? Well, normally, yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:05 Yeah, right, okay. Under different circumstances. Anyway, it's time for green trivia and also that guy who shouts Rodney, he's back. I love that. Yeah, I know, right? So the original script, there were various incarnations, but one of the versions had Supergirl trying to rescue Superman
Starting point is 00:20:18 who had fallen ill due to Selina's magic. I thought you were going to say fallen down a well. I've fallen down this well, Supergirl, which is why you can't see me. And my voice is quite tinny, and you may not recognise me as Christopher Reeve, but it is me. Also, it's magic is the reason I'm in here. It's one of my weaknesses. They actually did think about it.
Starting point is 00:20:37 Oh. Yeah. Brooke Shields was the first choice for Supergirl, but then was turned down due to being six foot tall. Deborah Wing was also considered, along with Melanie Griffiths was turned down due to being six foot tall. Deborah Wing was also considered, along with Melanie Griffiths, but they decided to go with an unknown, which I think makes sense because Chris Reeve was the same.
Starting point is 00:20:52 And they could pay her less. They could also pay her less, yeah. Because they had to spend a million dollars in that opening sequence with the lights and the titles. Dolly Parton was offered $7 million to take on the role of Selina. That's crazy. That's so much money. But she turned it down, claiming that she couldn't play a witch no matter how much money was offered $7 million to take on the role of Selina. That's crazy. That's so much money.
Starting point is 00:21:05 Yeah, but she turned it down, claiming that she couldn't play a witch no matter how much money was offered. Jane Fonda and Goldie Hawn also turned down the role. And Helen Slater, she actually ended up later playing Lara, Clark Kent's real mother in Smallville. That's right. And also Supergirl's adoptive mother in the Supergirl series.
Starting point is 00:21:22 That's right. And that's good. She's also on an episode of Seinfeld. Boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo. Jerry Seinfeld, dead at a high school girl, also. Boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, boo, don't do that. Don't do it.
Starting point is 00:21:36 Wow. Anyways, the budget of this was inexplicably $35 million. That's a lot for the time. I guess it's not the worst looking even Superman movie because we've talked about the Chris Reeve movies and Superman 4 looks much worse than this. I'm not saying this looks good. That's not what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:21:53 But there are elements of it where you go, okay, yeah, no, you tried. They spent some money here. Like even the sequence in the small town with the action and the cars, at least they had real cars moving around. Yeah, moving about. But the box office return for this was a paisley. Paisley. A paisley. Yeah, moving about. Yeah. But the box office return for this was a Paisley. Paisley. A Paisley.
Starting point is 00:22:08 Okay, go on. A Paisley $14 million. Not only a Paisley $14 million. My goodness, that's barely nothing. This also ties with Catwoman. It should have been a Tartan $200 million. Disagree. And it's tied with Catwoman for the lowest DC movie Rotten Tomatoes score at 8%.
Starting point is 00:22:28 And we've talked about Catwoman and this is worse. Correct. But maybe just because it's longer. It's longer and, you know, it's early in the run. People didn't understand how to translate the tropes of superhero stuff to movies yet. See, I disagree. I think there's some animated stuff which gets closer. I think if you look at the first two Chris Reeve movies,
Starting point is 00:22:51 obviously they're better than this. This is just fucking whatever. And I think that's the problem with what happens to this universe. They're just like, I don't know, there's a dragon. I don't know, there's a nuclear man. I don't know. Well, speaking of, you know what? At least they didn't have Supergirl fight an evil Supergirl at the end of this. I don't know, there's a nuclear man. I don't know. Well, speaking of, you know what, at least... I do like, I like the nuclear man.
Starting point is 00:23:05 At least they didn't have Supergirl fight an evil Supergirl at the end of this. I mean, it's probably because they had Superman fight an evil Superman at the end of Superman 3, and they were going to have him fight essentially an evil Superman in Superman 4. Which would have been a really solid round, honestly. Yeah, true. What a trilogy. Right?
Starting point is 00:23:23 Yeah, but just odd and bad. I always want to say to people, like, you should watch this because it's so strange, but it's pretty difficult to look at. And it's so long. And it's so long, which I feel is a common complaint. But I don't know. It feels long. I'll watch a 245 superhero movie at the movies
Starting point is 00:23:45 like in the present day, and I'm like, that isn't so bad. That's fine, yeah. This felt like a three hour. It really did. At like 40 minutes in, and you look at it, and you're like, oh, how am I doing? And I was just like, oh, no, oh, no. This is bad news for me.
Starting point is 00:23:57 This is my whole day. Anyways, do you know, Mason, you can actually see these videos early, including this one. Here's a hint towards next week. Oh. You might be like, where can you see these videos early, including this one. Here's a hint towards next week. Oh. You might be like, where can you see that video on Batman Returns? We're finally coming back to it. Well, you can actually head over to BigSandwich.co,
Starting point is 00:24:14 where there's not only early videos, there's also bonus stuff, like movie commentaries. Like early videos. That's right. We actually just did one recently on the Flashpoint animated movie, where you might want to be like, what could those guys say over the top of that movie? That's right. You actually just did one recently on the Flashpoint animated movie where you might want to be like, what could those guys say over the top of that movie? You have to find out.
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Starting point is 00:24:44 And go back in the back catalogue. So much inclined. And go back in the back catalogue. So much good stuff. Go back in the back catalogue. All right, everybody. I hope you had a paisley good time. No, a tartan time. Yeah. A good old tartan time.
Starting point is 00:24:55 I don't think this is going to be a running joke. This is a running joke now. Oh, no. I declare. Wow, it's not even Supergirl related. Some would argue that it is. Oh, my God. All right, thanks, everyone.
Starting point is 00:25:07 Grab that gem, you guys. We'll see you next week. We'll have a tartan. Grab that Omega Hedron. Yeah, it's not anything. That's what I'm saying. They can't be winners. Sometimes we're just working stuff out, all right?
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