The Weekly Planet - The Matrix Reloaded - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: September 2, 2021

The Matrix Reloaded aimed to take everything that was great about the first and expand the world in new and exciting ways. With the return of Neo, Trinity, Morpheus and an every duplicating Agent Smit...h we get incredible new action scenes like the burley brawl and the highway chase plus a colouring cast of new characters. BUT. What does it all add up to? Does it even come close to the first? Somewhat I guess. Thanks for watching our Caravan Of Garbage review. SUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNVideo Edition ► https://youtu.be/dX6SBySNqx0Help support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies The Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:01:05 Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates Welcome back everybody to another episode of Caravan of Garbage Where we are working our way through the Matrix Trilogy All three films leading up to a fourth film That's right, which will be coming out in the future No doubt What point in the future, we don't know? I think December
Starting point is 00:01:24 Oh, then we do know Unless it's rescheduled, you never know in this crazy world It's HBO Max, it's probably which will be coming out in the future. No doubt. What point in the future? We don't know. I think December. Oh, then we do know. Unless it's rescheduled. You never know in this crazy world. It's HBO Max. It's probably day and date or whatever. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyways.
Starting point is 00:01:32 Also, it's called The Matrix. What? The Matrix? I said Matrix. They say it a bunch of times in the movie. Not in this movie. I think you're thinking of a different movie. Maybe.
Starting point is 00:01:42 But listen, if you could leave it like that, it'd be great. Because, yes, this is The Matrix Rel matrix reloaded you happy with that you're happy yeah uh but i want to start with this quote if you don't mind from the team deacons podcast this is from the matrix trilogy's director of photography okay right who described his experience he says everything that was good about the first experience was not good about the last two. We weren't free anymore. People were looking at you. There was a lot of pressure in my heart. I didn't like them.
Starting point is 00:02:10 I felt like we should be going in another direction. There was a lot of friction and a lot of personal problems, and it showed up on screen, to be honest with you. It was not my most elevated moment, nor was it anyone else's. The Wachowskis had read this damn book by Stanley Kubrick that said, actors don't do natural performances until you wear them out. So let's go to take 90. I'm going to dig up Stanley Kubrick and kill him. There you go. That's a heck of a thing, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:02:35 Because in addition to that, the 90 take thing, and I'm sure it wasn't 90 takes all the time, but if this is true, it was probably a lot. The Reloaded and Revolutions were also filmed back to back. Is that correct? Well, not only were they filmed back to back, they also filmed the footage for the game Enter the Matrix. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:02:53 Which we might come back to after this trilogy is completed. But, yeah, this was a huge production. Warner Brothers obviously had a massive hit on their hand with The Matrix. I think it caught them off guard how well it went. So they quickly rolled a couple more into production. Warner Brothers obviously had a massive hit on their hand with The Matrix. I think it caught them off guard how well it went. So they quickly rolled a couple more into production. This sounds exactly like Difficult Second Album Syndrome, which I guess you could also say Difficult Second Movie Syndrome. You can probably say it in most industries. Difficult Second Child Syndrome, which is you. You're a second... Wait, so am I.
Starting point is 00:03:21 Oh no! And we're the worst! We're both the worst but obviously you know the first time in you know the the studio had no expectations they were probably even like this might be a flop yeah we we existed in an era where we will take some chances on things that are sort of original ip sort of yep yep yep and then it's all of a sudden it was a hit and they're like all right now we're now we've got to make this perfect. You've got to let the filmmakers make artistic choices, but also you'd rather they just did the same thing they did again, but bigger, because that's what people watched last time. And I think, though, look, I wasn't big on this movie when it came out.
Starting point is 00:03:56 Same. But I think there's a lot of really good stuff in this still. Yeah, look, the first time I saw this movie in the cinemas, I was but a young boy. That's not actually true. I was an adult at the cinemas, I was but a young boy. That's not actually true. I was an adult at the time, but I was a young adult. And what's interesting upon a rewatch of this is that some of the things in this movie seem way more believable
Starting point is 00:04:15 and some things, conversely, seem way more absurd. For example... Sure, let's do it. An example of the latter, right at the start of the movie, there's a flash forward where Trinity has to get inside a building. To do so, she crashes a motorcycle into a guard post, and the guard post explodes, and all the guards who are outside, they immediately grab their nightsticks and they go to attack her,
Starting point is 00:04:36 despite the fact it's after midnight and they've already clocked off. As an adult, I'm like, as if. As if. You'd be like, later, losers. Later midnight to 8 a.m shift we'll see you never yeah exactly i'm not getting paid for this i'm not getting paid to fight a black clad leather barbie situation what's going on here with a motorcycle and a crane kick get out of here do you get workers comp if you get cracked in the back of the head with a motorcycle helmet you
Starting point is 00:05:03 nearly die not after you clocked off absolutely not they'd be like you should have followed the rules yeah that's it look like you said it's a tough follow-up because you know so much of the matrix was a surprise in terms of the fight sequences in terms of the twist you know everything about it felt fresh and new even if some of it wasn't necessarily. And I think there is a struggle here to kind of keep that energy up and keep expectations high. And some of it works, but then at the same time there's things like Neo feels a bit depowered or a bit befuddled. Do you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:05:38 Where he seems, I mean, I know they've upgraded like some of the agents and he's fighting things that he hasn't seen necessarily before. And there's rules of the Matrix, which he's coming up against, that he hasn't seen necessarily before. And there's rules of the Matrix which he's coming up against that he wasn't aware of necessarily. But I feel like they have stripped that back a bit. Really? Because I always thought that... There are exceptions. One of the biggest issues with, I think, the Matrix Reloaded especially
Starting point is 00:05:58 is that given that he gained essentially godlike power at the end of the first one, they should have made him a background character in this. And he is to some extent, but he is also just, you know, dominating a lot of the action sequences, despite the fact that he cannot be harmed in any real way. Well, I remember you always had a problem with the moment where he's fighting everybody on the stairwell,
Starting point is 00:06:19 and it's terrific and everybody's balletic, and everybody, like every individual person in that scene is an incredible stunt performer and martial artist. But there's a moment where he gets hit with a blade and he blocks it with his bare hand. There's like a couple of drops of blood and the French guy's like, I'm French and do you see that this guy is only a man?
Starting point is 00:06:36 Don't even worry about it. And you were always like, yeah, but you'd have to pin him down. And just wail on him for days with that sword. It's not like it took some of his fingers off no it was just like huh this is interesting right but and you know and and again in theory those action sequence are are they are incredible and some of them in practice are incredible yeah i think you know the the uh the what's called the burley Brawl, the situation where he's fighting the many, many Agent Smiths, in theory that's great, but it was 2003
Starting point is 00:07:09 and not all the effects were there at the time. And, you know, there is a moment, it does, again, the choreography looks incredible, but at a certain point it becomes entirely CGI and it really takes the weight out of everything. Also, something I noticed in the rewatch of that scene is that one of the reasons it doesn't seem that great to me is because it isn't really particularly visceral right like there's a lot of kind of like you know pushes and taps and punches but they never feel like they're making really any impact on anyone there's
Starting point is 00:07:42 no broken bones there's not like tiles flying off walls. There's just sort of people being swatted away, like with a fly swatter. I mean, that's a fair point. But what I always liked about that sequence is that, I mean, even though you can see like initially that some of those background people are not Hugo Weaving, like some of them they've face replaced or digital doubled
Starting point is 00:08:03 and some of them they haven't. But it does feel very balletic. And I guess they're both at this point invincible men. Some of them they've face replaced or digital doubled and some of them they haven't. But it does feel very balletic and I guess they're both at this point invincible men. And he's struggling because, not because Smith on his own is that much of a challenge, but if there's 80, which is how many there ends up being, it is. But yeah, it hits a point where it's just like, oh, this is a video game cut scene.
Starting point is 00:08:21 Yeah, and also I think maybe you've hit on something there, is I think if the Wachowskis did go to Warner Brothers and said, we're going to do a scene where Neo breaks Hugo Weaving's neck 80 times, they'd be like, we cannot sell Happy Meal based on this. We can do 40. Yeah, we can do 40 at most. Yeah, so there's sort of a reason it sort of has to be a little bit sort of flyweight
Starting point is 00:08:43 and not particularly visceral. Yeah, absolutely. There are scenes where that is more on the cards, but I think perhaps there is a limit to how much blood you can put in this. I think this also has some pacing issues because for the first 40 minutes there's just a bit of faffing about and whatever, and you're kind of re-establishing the universe and reintroducing characters. And there are things that I like.
Starting point is 00:09:03 For example, you meet the other captains and crew, right? And everybody- What's their overall aesthetic? Just the same, is it? Everybody's got a weird snake skin vest or- Some of them are burgundy. I just think that whole look, I don't remember thinking it at the time,
Starting point is 00:09:18 but what a ridiculous pack of losers. Right? Just in general, everybody's just a big nerd. It's Joe Bluth's magician alliance. Right? Just in general. Everybody's just a big nerd. It's Joe Bluth's, like, magician alliance. It really does feel that way. What I like also about that is just so many, like, Australian character actors all packed into one room. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:09:35 Being like, okay, we're going to put you in a silver four-button suit and a turtleneck, and then you have to talk about spaceships going to Zion or whatever. That's right. You were in the TV series Police Rescue, and now you're in this but i also like about that group but what i also like about that group is morpheus is considered like a real weirdo and religious zealot yeah like a lot of them are like fuck this guy what's wrong with him you know and then he goes to the big rave which i fucking hate by the way yeah i hate that and i understand that it's it's it's it's probably meant to you
Starting point is 00:10:05 know symbolize how uh you know humanity it's gross it's it is yeah yuck but it's it's meant to symbolize you know humanity's passion and they and their humanity their underlying this is what the machines don't have put some cardboard down on that floor for break dancing whatever okay yeah but just like and he gets up and he's like, everyone's gonna live and the squids aren't gonna get in and Neo's gonna save us. And he's wrong. Like it's not true. To an extent
Starting point is 00:10:34 I guess. But I think that's an interesting take. I agree. Because I mean, he's been right so long you know, it's interesting that they that he would be wrong. Yeah, absolutely. They took that character leap. I think that's actually kind of interesting. I was kind of excited to see Zion.
Starting point is 00:10:48 And, you know, you get that clean white interface of them going in, which I thought was a really interesting choice. And they're just sitting in dirty chairs, do you know what I mean, with a needle in the back of their head. But aesthetically and just kind of the way it's set up, I don't. Zion felt a bit underwhelming to me, do you know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. I don't know, Maybe that's just me.
Starting point is 00:11:05 It felt very Return of the Jedi. It felt like the Ewok. It felt like the Ewok village. Okay. I thought it felt more kind of like endless phantom menace-y. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, a little bit that also. Yeah, but for the most part, it works and you see the inner workings of it,
Starting point is 00:11:21 which I quite like. You see all the colourful characters. That's right. The kid. A spoon. Link, which I quite like. You see all the colourful characters. That's right. The kid. A spoon. Link. The exposition man. You know him?
Starting point is 00:11:29 He's always like, Neo's flying now. Now he's coming towards you. He brought Trinity back from the dead. I'm you, the audience. I just talk out loud. He's done something good. Hooray! Okay, let's talk about Link.
Starting point is 00:11:42 That's all I have to say. No, no. Just some general derision. That's all I have towards Link. It leads into derision. That's all I have towards Link. It leads into something else. We didn't talk about him last week because I was saving it for this. But Dozer gets a mention. Because he is killed in the last one.
Starting point is 00:11:53 Yes. And Link's girlfriend or wife or whoever that is. I don't know their marital status. I'm sorry. Jesus. They're orgy partners. They're orgy partners, yeah. But she mentions that she lost two brothers,
Starting point is 00:12:06 and I don't think she mentions Tank specifically by name. Tank, of course, lives in the last movie but dies off screen. You're probably familiar with this, but there was some controversy around that actor. His name's Marcus Chong. I'm just going to read a little bit about this because there's been some back and forth about the specifics of it and some allegations.
Starting point is 00:12:26 So in 2003, Marcus Chong filed a lawsuit against Warner Brothers claiming the studio breached a verbal agreement and signed contract to bring Tank back for the Matrix sequels. He alleged that the filmmakers defamed him and claimed he was blackballed in Hollywood following their feud. They counted that the actor made repeated threatening phone calls to Warner Brothers and the Wachowskis after a breakdown in talks over his salary.
Starting point is 00:12:48 He was offered $400,000 for both movies and he wanted $1 million. Thus, his character was written out of the film. That is actually a lot of money for even $400,000. That's a lot of money for like a background character. That's more than Chris Evans got for the first Captain America movie, I think. think yeah but at the same time like he's a major player that's true in the franchise he would have had a bigger role in this i liked that character everybody else is getting paid upwards of like 15 million dollars that's true yeah for two movies work for spending like over a year filming these i don't think that's an unreasonable request. Yeah, fair enough. Especially considering the money that these movies made.
Starting point is 00:13:27 Anyway, he actually has a documentary on his YouTube channel where he goes through his entire story if people do want to check it out. I don't think it's as cut as dry as like people necessarily think it is. And like he just demanded money and you know, whatever. Maybe that is what happened.
Starting point is 00:13:40 I don't know. But I just think it's, you know, it's worth mentioning. Also worth mentioning, because I've just looked it up. He is the adoptive son of Tommy Chung, of Cheech Chin Chung. Really? Yep. I did not know that.
Starting point is 00:13:50 Well, I mean, it says Tommy Chung. I'm just going to click to see if it is the Tommy Chung. Absolutely. It is! We did it! We did it, folks. That's live. We did that live.
Starting point is 00:13:58 We did it live. That's right. I think also there's some fight sequences in this that feel... FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies on the road from Istanbul to Paris and London. One woman has a secret, the other a mission to reveal it before thousands of lives are lost. FX's The Veil, starring Elizabeth Moss, is now streaming on Disney+. Will you rise with the sun to help change mental health care forever?
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Starting point is 00:15:07 You can just take this out I recognise that both of these people are excellent martial Artists but like let's move it along I think there's a whole lot of Merovingian stuff Just running his mouth about fucking causality And shit and it's like Just get rid of all that. But he's the Frenchman you love to hate That's his whole point. That is true
Starting point is 00:15:23 He actually also becomes one of the main villains in The Matrix Online. Yeah, we should talk about that now or later. Now or later. Maybe we'll save it for next week when we talk about it. Yeah, let's do that. Okay, yeah, yeah. Here's something that, though, I do think is great. Yes.
Starting point is 00:15:35 The highway chase is legit. Yeah. They built that highway, right? They built 1.4 kilometres. No, they built 1.4 miles of real highway to film this. I mean, Morpheus on top of a truck with a katana. Sure is. It's great.
Starting point is 00:15:51 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what I love about that is as well, when he's fighting an agent, he's got a bit more confidence and, you know, he's a bit more skilled, probably because he saw Neo beat up some agents and he's like, I can probably do this. And look, to tie this in with the merovingian uh and and previous versions of the matrix one thing that i do love about this movie is the concept of sort of programs that have come from previous matrices oh yeah that are just
Starting point is 00:16:17 monsters like apparently and again this is this this leads into the matrix online you get some some uh additional information about previous Matrixes. One has been revealed to be sort of a paradise world that people couldn't adjust to because it's too perfect. But one was just like a Transylvania nightmare world filled with werewolves and vampires. What did they think people were going to do with that information? Did the machines think that people would be too busy
Starting point is 00:16:43 trying not to get their blood sucked or get bolts put through their neck that they wouldn't? Were there Frankensteins? I think they went too far either direction. Yeah, maybe. It's course correcting. I also think they missed a trick in bringing that up. And then there's maybe a guy who gets shot with a silver bullet
Starting point is 00:16:58 who's apparently like a werewolf or a vampire or whatever. But it's like, do you want to explain that a little bit further? Or like you've opened up this door. Let's see it. Let's see more of that. Also, the Oracle at one point does say, every time you hear about a ghost or an alien or a vampire, that's a program that's a rogue program.
Starting point is 00:17:18 And part of my brain's like, no, maybe it's just your friend's a liar. Is every time my friend says that his uncle works at Nintendo and he gets all the free games in advance, is that a rogue program or is my friend just a liar? But anyway, I was going to say, I love the idea of the ghost twins, but at the same time... You don't like receding dreadlocks? I was going to say that you didn't even really have to make them ghosts
Starting point is 00:17:43 because honestly, if I saw two albino men, like white dudes with dreadlocks, I'd run in fear anyway. Absolutely. I don't care they had ghost powers, just white dudes with dreadlocks. Not for me. Thank you. But I liked that they were just terrifying ghost men with razor blades. There's a scene on the freeway where the good guys are being attacked
Starting point is 00:18:04 in a car by both one of the ghosts who's made scene on the freeway where the good guys are being attacked in a car by both one of the ghosts who's made it into the vehicle and is swinging that razor blade wildly, and there's also an agent on the roof just firing pot shots, and I'm just like, this is... Stakes are high. There's a lot. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:17 That guy's a ghost. This dude's a ghost. What the heck? Yeah, that whole sequence is great. I mean, they actually got a stunt performer to drive, like, against traffic. Like, a lot of those vehicles are CGI, but a lot of that is real. I know Carrie-Anne Moss learned to ride a motorcycle for this. She hadn't done it before.
Starting point is 00:18:36 And Keanu Reeves, who was a huge motorcycle buff, was like, she did it legit. Like, she didn't cut any corners. She didn't let me do it. I wanted to do it. Because I know about motorcycles, actually. But whatever. She was just like any corners. She didn't let me do it. I wanted to do it because I know about motorcycles. But whatever. She was just like,
Starting point is 00:18:47 no, this is all dibs. She called dibs. Yeah. Anyways, it took 48 days to fill that sequence on the freeway and all the wood was donated to low-income housing in Mexico. So yeah, good stuff.
Starting point is 00:18:58 I've got some more questions because last week I was like, what's going on with this fucking Matrix situation? Oh yeah. Some more questions. Okay. Again, I'm not really looking for answers but at the same time, leave them below. You know what to do.
Starting point is 00:19:09 Here we go. Is this how premonitions work in the Matrix? Is it based on probabilities? So when the Oracle is like, you're going to say this and you're going to take this and you're going to fight this guy and it's going to be sick or whatever, and it's going to be bad news also for you, that's math, right? It must be, yeah. Okay, fair enough.
Starting point is 00:19:25 But when he gains, when Neo gains in power and wisdom, I think she can't see what he's doing anymore. So maybe love. Maybe love. Maybe love and maths. You might be right. So one of the counselors, you know, the guy, one of the guys who's the head of Zion.
Starting point is 00:19:42 The guy from Water Rats, sure. Yeah, he's probably from Water Rats. Is he? I don't know. Sure. It's not Steve Bisley, is it, from Water Rats, sure. Yeah, he's probably from Water Rats. Is he? I don't know. Sure. It's not Steve Bisley, is it, from Water Rats? I don't think it was Steve Bisley. So I thought he'd be somebody because it's mentioned that there's been a lot of previous ones.
Starting point is 00:19:55 And I thought maybe he was one of them. Oh, that was often a theory at the time, I think. And he's doing, like, a talk and he's talking about the balance of machines. But it's just a pep talk from just some fucking dude. Yuck. I just think, pointless. Just a guy to be like, machines and people. Yeah, we know.
Starting point is 00:20:12 That's a big part of these movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also, I was in that Matrix that was the weird Transylvania universe. It sucked. You couldn't go around a corner without some guy wearing a bloody white tie and tails and a chest full of medals going, Blair. Blair. Oh, God, I hated it here.
Starting point is 00:20:31 God, I'm never going to sleep, even if I get out of this. Anyway, my other question was about werewolves and whatever. We've covered that substantially, yes. Okay, so what are the big situations, I guess, to come out of this and talking point, and I think a downfall of a lot of people was the architect. Sure. And the reveal that, as we mentioned, Neo is one of six previous ones who have showed up, and every other one of them has decided to return to the source, save Zion,
Starting point is 00:21:03 or save like 12 people, and the cycle continues because he's a particular part of the algorithm which cannot be defeated and just kind of has to run its course. But he chooses love and he saves Trinity and whatever, and Link goes, you did it, that's my job. Just point things out as they happen. He caught her, that's what he says. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:21 He flew in and he caught her. We're all watching the movie, Link. All of us. I don't mind it. I think it's way too wordy, though, right? I mean. It's intentionally confusing. Yeah. Present day me was like, had already steeled myself for it.
Starting point is 00:21:37 Yeah. And I'm like, here it comes. Okay, that was less painful than I remember. But at the time, you know, you're a young boy. Yeah. You're a grown man yeah you're you're grown man i'm an adult but a stupider adult and and at the time it just really rammed the brakes on didn't it it did but i but i like the idea behind it yeah you know what i mean and again
Starting point is 00:21:56 we're here rewriting like some of the the most popular movies ever made yeah but surely there was a better way than mr exposition yeah just sitting in a chair saying here's an explanation. Could we have not scattered that throughout the course of the movie? But I mean that would have been a nightmare as well. Just in between highway chases and fighting vampires or whatever you also had to put in a series of clues that this was going to happen. I think you do the same but you just word it slightly better and I've never made a movie.
Starting point is 00:22:24 What the fuck do I know? But I just think it alienated a lot of people, and it reflects the box office numbers on the next one. And it became hundreds of memes. And Will Ferrell did it in the MTV Awards. But I also think it would have made a huge difference if Neo fucking kicked that guy in the chest. I think that would have saved just like, shut up, bang.
Starting point is 00:22:45 Oh, no one's ever done this before. That wasn't on any of my TVs. Anyways, it ends on a cliffhanger. First of all, I can't believe that the squids just worked out bombs. It's like, come on. But Neo realizes that his powers, they extend outside of the matrix. That's right, it's back. And the prophecy is nonsense.
Starting point is 00:23:07 And he's slipped into a coma. Agent Smith is in a man. He's in a man. And they have dual comas, back to back. Head to head, top to tail. That's right. Head to head. And I think that's a pretty interesting finale, if I'm honest.
Starting point is 00:23:23 Did people at... Did you see it in cinemas at the time? I saw it with you. Did you? Yeah. How was the audience then? Were they like, what the hell? This is how the audience was.
Starting point is 00:23:31 At the start, somebody was yelling at the start, like, oh, The Matrix or whatever. And there was one guy who was like, shut up! Everybody shut up! He was clearly like, this is what he'd been waiting for. Was it you and me? You and me, the two people in the story? Oh, my tricks.
Starting point is 00:23:48 Hey, shut up. So that's what I remember. And then we hung around for the trailer at the end. Yeah. For the next movie. But I'm wondering, were the general audiences surprised that it was going to end on a cliffhanger? Maybe.
Starting point is 00:24:02 I mean, they shouldn't be. But that's the thing. I remember when we saw Infinity War for the first time in theatres, a lot of people were surprised that to end on a cliffhanger maybe i mean they shouldn't be but that's the thing like i remember when we saw infinity war the for the first time in theaters a lot of people were surprised that it ended on a cliffhanger even though you know so much meat you know so much twitter chatter and social media was like there's there's going to be another one after this people were still still surprised so in like a pre i think most people don't know that though yeah probably yeah i don't know that there's another matrix coming that year in the year of the matrix as it was called.
Starting point is 00:24:26 That's right. By Warner Brothers. Do you know what it's time for, though? What's it time for? It's Matrixvia Reloaded. Nice. That's right. Hey, shut up!
Starting point is 00:24:37 We're doing the Matrixvia! The Matrixvia! Just a couple of mates hanging out. Just having a good time. Sean Connery, I think we talked about this last week, turned down the role of the architect because he didn't understand it after turning down Gandalf because he didn't understand it and going on to do his final movie, LXG.
Starting point is 00:24:55 He also did some weird animated thing in 2015, but don't worry about that. Did he do a James Bond voice in a video game? He did. They remade one of the James Bond movies as a game from Us With Love, yes. Singer Aaliyah was cast as Z, but she actually passed away before filming. So that role was recast. So here's an interesting theory that I thought I'd put in.
Starting point is 00:25:17 Seraph is theorised to be either an agent from a previous version of The Matrix or one of the five previous ones due to his skill. And also when Neo sees him, he's like glowing gold. Yeah, right. So, you know, maybe he's a digitized version of the one that escaped the source or something. Maybe, yeah. I don't know, but there you go.
Starting point is 00:25:36 That's a Matrix for you, all right. Great, reloaded. The Merovigian, his swearing in French translates to goddamn whore, filthy, shithouse, jerk burger of your mother. Okay. So there you go. We know this, but Reloaded and Revolutions are shot back to back, along with footage for Enter the Matrix,
Starting point is 00:25:54 which again, we might come back to, but we also might come back to, this is worth mentioning, the Animatrix, a lot of which serves as a prequel to this movie. Got to see the backstory for the kid. What's the kid up to? Also, I don't know this character. I don't care about him. I don't want to see him. Get out of here.
Starting point is 00:26:10 Also, shout out to Lee Whannell, one of the minds behind the Saw franchise, and more recently, The Invisible Man. He's Axel. He's Axel. He's probably in Into the Matrix also. That's right. In that 40 minutes they shot.
Starting point is 00:26:21 Anyway, do you want to talk about Box Office? Yes. This, off a budget of $150 million, made $739 million. Easily the biggest of the franchise. Yeah. Back in the day, that was considered a lot of money. These days, abject failure. Why would you even bother making a movie?
Starting point is 00:26:37 You could have put it in Dogecoin and doubled your investment. And then some, perhaps. So, yeah, there you go. We'll be back next week to talk about the Matrix revolutionans. And we're going to be like. James, it's the Matrix revolutionans. I apologize. And we're going to be like,
Starting point is 00:26:52 why is 40 minutes of this a mech battle with people we don't care about? Oh, we didn't even mention the mechs. I saw them and I'm like, oh, no, this is coming. 40-minute mech battle. Why wouldn't you protect your head? Put a screen over it. Yep. Put an oven door or something. I wouldn't you protect your head? Put a, put a screen over it. Yep. Put an oven door or something.
Starting point is 00:27:08 I don't know. That's fine. Put a fly screen. At least the illusion of something being there. Yeah. Anyways, this is Caravan of Garbage. We do this every week.
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Starting point is 00:27:41 Hey, shut up. I'm watching The Matrix. It's the Matrix way. And grab that jam, you guys. We'll see you next week. I'm watching the Matrix. It's the Matrix way. And grab that jam, you guys. We'll see you next week. I'm watching the Matrix. All right. Goodbye.
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