The Weekly Planet - The Matrix Revolutions - Caravan Of Garbage

Episode Date: September 9, 2021

After the somewhat mixed reception of Reloaded at time of release the Matrix Trilogy concluded with Revolutions that same year. The idea was to wrap up the story of Neo, Trinity, Morpheus and Agent S...mith in the most epic way possible! A mech battle with characters we didn't recognize and a fight in the rain. It's not all bad though, in fact, many consider it to be a worthy conclusion. Until The Matrix Resurrections that is. Thanks for watching to our Caravan Of Garbage review. SUBSCRIBE HERE ►► http://goo.gl/pQ39jNVideo Edition ► https://youtu.be/ToQvLlToA-oHelp support the show and get early episodes ► https://bigsandwich.co/Patreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesJames' Twitter ► http://twitter.com/mrsundaymoviesMaso's Twitter ► http://twitter.com/wikipediabrownPatreon ► https://patreon.com/mrsundaymoviesT-Shirts/Merch ► https://www.teepublic.com/stores/mr-sunday-movies The Weekly Planet iTunes ► https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-weekly-planet/id718158767?mt=2&ign-mpt=uo%3D4 The Weekly Planet Direct Download ► https://play.acast.com/s/theweeklyplanetAmazon Affiliate Link ► https://amzn.to/2nc12P4 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:01:05 Visit planetbroadcasting.com for more podcasts from our great mates Welcome back everybody to another episode of the Caravan of Garbage show Weird intro, I don't normally do it like that You got very pretentious, you're like, ooh, the Caravan of Garbage show It's not a show I mean, Ben and Lawrence who do the edit, they do a lot with a little You know what I mean? Very much agree, yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:25 Where this week we are wrapping up The Matrixology. Should have used that in episode one, don't you reckon? Yeah, yeah, but, you know, sometimes inspiration only strikes too late, way too late. Sure. Do you think inspiration has struck way too late in people leaving a like on this video for one, but secondly, for the third Matrix film. Is it diminishing returns for you?
Starting point is 00:01:47 How did you feel coming back to this? You've said too many words, and I had an answer for the first thing you asked, and now I'm so confused. It's not too late to leave a like. People should definitely leave a like. Look, I think the Matrix Revolutions is a decent capper to this trilogy,
Starting point is 00:02:01 but I do not think it has as many memorable action sequences as the first one or even Reloaded. Yeah, I would agree with that. It feels like a lot of the things they're doing, except for the 40-minute mech battle, which we'll talk to, they've done variations on it before. Like we get a Smith and Neo fight, but they're flying and they're in the rain.
Starting point is 00:02:23 We get like a lobby scene, but everybody's upside down or whatever. But looking behind the scenes, like on that scene in particular, they're really like flipping people onto the roof. Like they tabled them up. Like I thought it was just like, ah, they blue-scranted, they put them upside down or whatever. Turned the camera upside down. Turned the camera upside down, but they did it for real.
Starting point is 00:02:42 So maybe they did that thing where they lock the camera and it looks like somebody's walking up a wall but they're actually turning the whole thing oh they call that the jgl corridor spin around that's what they call it yeah even before jgl did it that's right wow they knew it was coming wow yeah they planned that for decades in hollywood well they were like boy you're destined to do this and he's's like, what? I'm just a sitcom actor. I'm an alien or something. I don't know. You get in that corridor.
Starting point is 00:03:09 We'll spin it. I bet Penn and Teller have done it. You know the thing? I know the thing. Yeah, I absolutely do. But going back to this, it was always the one that I always looked back on and went, yeah, I don't know, whatever.
Starting point is 00:03:19 But I don't know, man. I really like this. You know what? Going back to this, my first thought was the Matrix code turning into anything still gives me this huge thrill. Like when it turns into a city or a car or a man or a moose. I don't know. Yeah, maybe.
Starting point is 00:03:37 Is there out-of-door stuff in the Matrix? Can you go out to the country? We know there's cats, but beyond that, I don't know much about the nature of the Matrix. Also, they even put the Matrix code in the raindrops at the end. You can see it on like an IMAX. But if you're watching this... What about an IMAX? Maybe.
Starting point is 00:03:53 The green one? The green one, yeah. Yeah, potentially. So one of the things I think didn't do this movie any favours was the fact releasing this six months after the other one. I don't think it helped. Like they were going for Year of the Matrix I also think some
Starting point is 00:04:08 of the marketing choices like this poster that Ben alerted me to of Hugo Weaving flying in the rain with lightning behind him I remember that one yes you see that one
Starting point is 00:04:15 so I think I don't think everybody was as jazzed for this and that was reflected in the numbers and in that meme have you seen that meme what's the meme
Starting point is 00:04:23 it's the men looking increasingly the audience members looking increasingly less and less excited over the movies isn And in that meme, have you seen that meme? What's the meme? It's the men looking increasingly, the audience members looking increasingly less and less excited over the movies. Isn't that a meme? I know that meme.
Starting point is 00:04:30 I'll show you the meme later. Can't wait to see it. Okay, great. Can't wait to watch it back in this video. The famous men. Famous men. So obviously also
Starting point is 00:04:36 the Oracle had to be recast. She passed away, the original actor. Yeah, Gloria Foster passed away but it's replaced with Mary Alice. Apparently at first they weren't going to acknowledge it but I think that you can't do that no just everybody walks in the room and just goes whatever different person yeah or not different person I think it's good
Starting point is 00:04:53 that they they did it you know you know what uh speaking of people walking in the room one of my favorite moments in the rewatch is the moment where agent smith goes to the oracle's apartment the hundreds of agent smiths and they all all bob their head identically under the beaded curtain as they go into a lounge room. There's some great Agent Smith doubling stuff going on here. What I also thought was interesting about that scene and sequence is that Seraph mentions that he'd beaten Smith before, and I just wonder...
Starting point is 00:05:18 Boggle is the answer. A game of boggle. But when did that happen? 11 points on the word quagmire. That's how he did it. That's how he did it. He was one of Boggle. But when did that happen? 11 points on the word quagmire. That's how he did it. That's how he did it. He was one of the best. But that also speaks to the theory that we talked about in the last episode where potentially he was another version of the One.
Starting point is 00:05:35 Yeah. Or maybe he's just like a rogue program who's just more powerful. Well, one of the Merovingian's thugs mentions upon seeing him that he doesn't have his wings anymore. So perhaps he was a seraph in the literal sense. Maybe he's from that wacky universe where everything was horrible the Merovingian's thugs mentions upon seeing him that he doesn't have his wings anymore so perhaps he was a seraph in the literal sense maybe he's from that wacky universe where everything was horrible and nightmarish and Frankenstein all the time yeah remember the matrix 3 Frankenstein all the time uh and he was an actual you know angel with wings yeah now you might be right
Starting point is 00:05:59 I do wish though that we saw agent smith take over the little girl and then we just got a teeny tiny little agent smith just running you know teeny tiny little Agent Smith just running. You know, like little pint-sized Ant-Man, you know what I mean? Like child-sized. I would have liked that. Look, bullets firing and tiles being chipped off walls and people being flung into walls, that all still works, right? Sure.
Starting point is 00:06:18 I think it's just some of the best, God damn, we're just going to chip away at this room. Do you know what I mean? Just tilers in Sydney in the early 2000s just rubbing their hands together being like, oh, it's payday. Payday for old Joe. Tile Mart. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:34 Quick, put in the Tile Mart ad. Here it is. They had a great jingle. You didn't want to go with Frank Walker National Tiles? You idiot, Mason. Put that one in. It's burned into everybody's brains in Australia, this ad. You idiot Mason. Put that one in. It's burned into everybody's brains
Starting point is 00:06:46 in Australia this ad. Hello. Hello. Anyway, as mentioned, I never really liked the mech fight, but this time around, and maybe it's just
Starting point is 00:06:55 because I've been immersing myself in the world of The Matrix. Maybe it's because it starts at about the halfway mark of the movie and it never ends.
Starting point is 00:07:02 It's still going. If you put it in a DVD player in 2005's still going if you if you if you put it in a dvd player in 2005 still going just you just left you just leave it in a room it's still going the mech fight's still going squids are still pouring in just people running in and reloading those things nobody ever questioning why you wouldn't put a lid over the over the mech suit some sort of helmet of some kind of face shield i don't like it. Just a regular tank? You could just be driving a regular tank?
Starting point is 00:07:28 But that being said, going back into this, I think it's really cool. And like a technical marvel. And I'm still kind of like, I don't care about any of these people. I kind of like the commander. You know the dude who's up front and he gets his face shredded?
Starting point is 00:07:40 I kind of like that. I also, I guess, didn't mind, like the kid kind of grows on me a bit when he's like i'm 16 i'm like you're 24 but anyway it's neither here nor there i do like when he goes to is you reverse line to get into the military i i did enjoy the bit where just before i guess a reverse lie is still a lie anyway continue yeah what is the yeah that's a good point but the bit where he's about to shoot the door open and he goes, Neo, I believe. And I just thought, Neo doesn't even like you.
Starting point is 00:08:09 He doesn't think about you at all. Wow. Don't you think? Yeah, yeah, you'd be like, who's this guy? But thanks, I guess. Appreciate it. I can't believe also that they didn't have not only like one EMP to go off, but then when everything shuts down and the squids pour in again,
Starting point is 00:08:25 just have another one ready to go. Just have a series of them. Retroactively, makes me wonder why all the hovercraft didn't have big mech machine guns on them. Would have come in handy. Just have them out there. Big machine guns on them.
Starting point is 00:08:38 Also, if you can set off an EMP inside of a spaceship or whatever and it doesn't shut down the spaceship, surely you could rig up something similar for Zion, right? Where it doesn't shut down everybody's oxygen or whatever. Oh, great point. I'd make great points. But I'm sure you've got a great point about this mech battle also.
Starting point is 00:08:57 Here's one for you. I'll give you this one. I'll just say this one's yours. Okay, great. Mason emailed me this, right? And he said that it's- And then I forgot about it. He said it's cool how...
Starting point is 00:09:06 And then I did this thing where I zipped to my lip. Yep. And I had a little imaginary key and I turned the key and I threw away the key. I ate the key. I ate the key. Delicious. He said to me, though, it was cool how by the time the ship arrives to save the day, the whole color palette of the city has changed and it's just wrecked as shit.
Starting point is 00:09:22 And I really enjoyed that. That goes from like a kind of cool blue to just like, it's just hell. Just red and dirty and smoking. I did tell you that. And you said you didn't even notice that because you're not very observant. That's what you said.
Starting point is 00:09:34 You said, thank you for pointing that out. I did say that. You said, I've seen this movie so many times over nearly two decades. I didn't notice that at all. Why did I write this scenario? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I was doing you a favor.
Starting point is 00:09:47 Yep. And you just fucking dug my head in the toilet. That's right. It's the real world though, right? At one point in this. What do you mean? What's going on? What are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:09:57 Quite a lot of this movie is set in the real world. This is so meta, man. Some of this is the real world, but some of this is the Matrix, man. That's true. Well, quite a lot of this movie is set in the real world, but some of this is the Matrix, man. That's true. Well, quite a lot of this movie is set in the real world, unless you subscribe to the, it's a Matrix within a Matrix theory, which, you know, who knows. But one of the moments that I really liked from this
Starting point is 00:10:14 is the real world fight between Bane and Neo. Bane doing a tremendous Hugo Weaving impression. It's very good. Ian Bliss, incredible. That's an email I sent to myself to make sure I brought that up. Tremendous Hugo Weaving impression. It's very good. Ian Bliss. Incredible. Yeah. That's an email I sent to myself to make sure I brought that up. No, that was another email I sent to you. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:10:36 I sent so many emails saying so many insightful things that maybe you'll mention. Maybe, yeah. And I'll jump on them. But I think also it adds a level of vulnerability to Neo that we don't always see, especially when he's in the matrix, just being on that ship, being, you know,
Starting point is 00:10:50 the real world having an absolute horrendous moment. An absolute ball. No, he's having a bad time when he literally burns his eyes out of his head. I just can't think of, I think they're still in there. I guess they're fused shut. Yeah. I don't know. I think they just melted they're still in there. I guess. They're fused shut. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:05 I don't know. I think they just melted at least the top, like the top one third of it at least. Well, who can say? Who can say? But the fact that they were
Starting point is 00:11:12 bold enough to go, you know what, Keanu Reeves is the star of this film and he's a very handsome man, but let's just fucking fuse his face shut. That was one of the moments
Starting point is 00:11:20 that really stuck with me of this film of like, oh my God, he's like the main character. He's not a bad guy. It's not like an Anakin Skywalker situation situation you've maimed this dude like horribly and also you know in a lot in in some ways that sort of sort of closes the door on the series in some ways like it like in like in a bit in in the sense of like you know in a
Starting point is 00:11:40 world of endless sequels and spin-offs and etc yeah you go this is going to be the last chapter because this guy ain't got no eyes no more you could never make another the matrix after this that's right isn't it that's right but can you imagine like they burnt out luke skywalker's eyes or toady stark's eyes his hand off i mean that's not the same it's not the same anyway that trip they do into the the machine city if they burned out Daredevil's eyes. Again, it's not the same Mason. His eyes aren't horribly fused shut. You're right, he's very handsome. And you can see the weird pus and goo in it.
Starting point is 00:12:13 It's awful, and I love it. But no, I enjoyed the trip into Machine City, and that burst through the clouds. I mean, it does make you wonder why the machines wouldn't just... I mean, if you can reach the clouds where the sun is and they're solar powered, why you wouldn't? But you'd have to fly up. Or send up a big pole with a solar panel on it.
Starting point is 00:12:32 It'd have to be a lot, though. You catch a little sun and then by the time you dip back down, you're using all your energy, do you know what I mean, to collect. Ah, yeah, maybe, on your retro rockets. I don't know, I think they just like having people in batteries and stuff. I reckon they just like having people around. You know, they just miss that, you know. In fact, if the movie had gone 10 more minutes,
Starting point is 00:12:48 I reckon the machines would have been like, we just like having you around. I mean, they could have not. Just wanted one more look at you. Yeah. Humanity just wanted one more look at you. I can imagine that giant, like, buzzing face. Just want to take a good look at you, mate.
Starting point is 00:13:04 Wink. I just, I don't know i mean why would they even invent the matrix you could just keep people in comas but i guess maybe they figured out that you get more battery out of a person look at their minds yeah but i also think i i also think that you know in in the innumerable drafts of the matrix and you know in interviews with the wachowskis and etc i, I think. And it's supplementary material. Is it revenge and human suffering as well? Yeah, maybe some of that, but also they're using it for processing power
Starting point is 00:13:30 or something like that. Okay, sure. Yeah, fair enough. Morpheus is probably just wrong. Yeah. Well, he is. And it's also like it's really dramatic and interesting to be like they've turned us into this and show a battery as opposed to like
Starting point is 00:13:42 they turn us into this algorithm here. So I've printed it off on 100, they turn us into this algorithm here. So I've printed it off on 100,000 pieces of dot matrix printer paper. We're not in the matrix either. I literally printed this off. This is the real world. This is, I mean, we're supposed to be running a paperless office here. They'll be held to pay from the office manager, I'll tell you what. But I like my props, I'll tell you what.
Starting point is 00:14:02 I'm Morpheus. Anyway, Trinity dies. Yep. And I think it's a really great and touching moment. And I think it's like it's sad to see her go. It's good that she got that moment to say goodbye after getting that bullet pulled out of her guts or whatever happened in the previous movie.
Starting point is 00:14:19 But I just think it's a great lesson for Neo in terms of and it's a great realisation for the audience that, yeah, he's flawed and he can't do everything. You know, he has his limits because obviously there is that problem again at the start of, by the end of the first Matrix, that this guy can do anything, I guess. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:14:37 Yeah. Yeah. And again, like, one of the things that I like about the Matrix sequels is all the interesting ideas that are brought to the table, one of which is that we see right at the start of the third movie, which is that, you know, we have machines that can, if you have enough power and influence in the world of the Matrix, you can build your own realities.
Starting point is 00:14:57 Like you can build a train station where you are kind of a god and where the rules do not apply to you and you can beat. And you're in two of the mad max movies yes exactly yeah yeah and you can you can kind of you know even though neo is a is a is a god-like being you can defeat him in this yeah in this scenario i mean it is slightly undercut by the fact that in like the very next scene the heroes go to the merovingians like club where he he's built us like a like a club where the rules of physics don't apply yeah and yet someone could still just shoot him in the head you'd probably
Starting point is 00:15:31 you'd probably switch that off switch that switch off you know go into settings and be like can't shoot me in the head if you're friendly off shooting me also off wife sexy yeah sexy slider Wife sexy Yeah Sexy slider all the way up Do I want her to say anything in this movie? FX's The Veil explores the surprising and fraught relationship Between two women who play a deadly game of truth and lies On the road from Istanbul to Paris and London One woman has a secret The other a mission to reveal it Before thousands of lives are lost.
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Starting point is 00:16:49 that guy who hates their wives I'm one of those guys I'm married but I hate it I'm that guy oh bloody ball I'm down at the pub
Starting point is 00:16:57 but I'm pretending I'm still at work look at me just divorce your wife divorce her the merovingian well he's coming back for the new one. But speaking of the new one, with Trinity being, like, definitively dead,
Starting point is 00:17:10 I do wonder whether any of the returning characters are going to be digitized versions. Either they've had their conscious uploaded to the Matrix, whilst their physical body has been destroyed. Yeah. I think that's more likely with her than Neo. But, like, i wonder whether she's just a program running in the new matrix you know what i mean because it seems like she dies and nobody got to her you know by the time you know this movie's going yeah yeah during the course
Starting point is 00:17:35 of this movie so anyway we'll see i guess won't we we sure will anyways the end fight another thing that i never used to really like but looking back at it and the way that it's set up and the revolution, resolution, it makes sense that they'd first of all be evenly matched because Smith can see the future, but at the same time, Neo was probably more powerful so he can't block everything. Another thing from this is,
Starting point is 00:17:59 this is the movie that made Warner Brothers go, I reckon we could take another run at Superman. Like this was the moment. Really? Okay, it makes a lot of sense. It and the other thing is this fight there's a lot of sadness in the rain in those movies too is there yeah um but the other thing is this fight for Neo it's just for show oh for show yes but he went into this knowing that he wasn't going to make it out that he was just going to get assimilated by Smith. Of course, he can't just go in and go,
Starting point is 00:18:27 just assimilate me, make it happen. He's like, I'll take it. You chicken? Bet you won't. Yeah. But, you know, he's just putting on theatre for Smith, you know. Well, he's a theatre kid, isn't he? Well, yes, at heart. But, you know, the fact that that whole fight, it's for nothing.
Starting point is 00:18:42 He doesn't need to do it. It's ultimately a pointless fight for Neo. Do you know what I mean? The whole thing is to get Smith into the source of the Matrix. Get him on the source. Get him on the source and then delete him. And I just think that's a very interesting conclusion. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:58 You do get your big fist fight in the rain and whatever and everyone's screaming at each other about choice and chance or whatever the fuck. But then at the end, you do get your big fist fight in the rain and whatever and everyone's screaming at each other about choice and chance and whatever the fuck. But then at the end, you know. They're just both very hard of hearing. It's all about choice. What? What, chance?
Starting point is 00:19:14 No. I mean, yes. Maybe. Apparently that scene was like in the pit was excruciating to film because there's just tons of water pouring in and then having to pour out at the bottom and they're in wet, heavy clothes just kicking each other in the mud. Just awful.
Starting point is 00:19:33 But anyway, Neo's Jesus or whatever, and they chuck him in a drawer for later, for a later movie. Sure do. I never thought he was dead. And I think this also speaks to the world post the matrix oh yeah which i sent you an email about yes about what happens in the world no post the matrix and you're going to break it down for us right now then i said no i don't know so it in 2005 to maybe like 2009 yep uh we got the matrix online which was a massive massively multiplayer online role-playing game,
Starting point is 00:20:07 which continued the story of The Matrix and for a long time I think was considered by the Wachowskis and some of the other writers and producers of these movies to be canonical. Yeah. I think it still is. Well, here's the thing. So, for example, in The Matrix Online,
Starting point is 00:20:23 there was a storyline in which morpheus is assassinated yeah which may explain why lawrence fishburne has not been on the cast list for the matrix 4 or i guess he didn't want to do it that or they didn't ask him i think or maybe he is in it but it's a secret it. It could be that also. But I believe, though, in that game it was revealed that he wasn't assassinated at some point. Excuse me? He comes back. Oh!
Starting point is 00:20:52 So in that game, isn't it set up where, this is what I sent you, that the war starts up again fairly quickly. Yeah, but there's also even more factions. There's the humans, There's the machines. There's the cypherites who were like- They want to stay in the Matrix. Yeah, they were released from the Matrix, but they're like, this sucks, actually.
Starting point is 00:21:12 We would rather go back into the Matrix and eat medium rare steaks all the time. That's definitely going to happen. You're definitely not going to just recycle us. Please do that. There was also the forces of the Merovingian. There was also a group, hang on, I'm going to look this up. Called the Blue Man Group?
Starting point is 00:21:27 No, the Blue Man Group weren't in it. It was later discovered that Morpheus was not in fact killed, but the bullets used by the assassin were used to jam his transmission, preventing him from broadcasting inside the Matrix. Ooh. Okay, there was also a faction headed by the Merovingian, as we've previously mentioned, so all the ghosts and the vampires and the werewolves and etc.
Starting point is 00:21:46 You mean just regular men? Pretty much just regular men in leather trench coats. In the Matrix though, can you imagine? Wow. Yeah, yeah. There was also towards the end of the game, a small group called the Oligarchs, who were humans that prior to the war between
Starting point is 00:22:02 humanity and machines, had cut a deal with the machines to be cut out of the war. And they were separate from the rest of humanity on Earth. And they gained special in-the-matrix privileges so they could appear in the matrix and they had sort of godlike powers. And here's the thing. They had loot boxes. They had loot boxes, exactly.
Starting point is 00:22:21 But because it had been hundreds of years since the downfall of humanity, their physical bodies had all withered away. they were only like machine consciousnesses so their goal was to use the machine's technology to create human dna that was in like perfect synchronicity with machine code so they could use it to transfer their consciousness into new human bodies. And the pinnacle of that technology was Neo. So the idea was that the equation that the architect could never fully solve was in there because these oligarchs had put it in there and they were attempting to create, like, to become human again. I guess that's also something that Smith achieved because he managed to put in Yeah, he did.
Starting point is 00:23:05 Yeah. So maybe it was a combination of those things. Also, in the Matrix online, we saw the arrival of a character named Sarah Edmonton, which James, your brain is operating in a flurry of activity. You've already figured out that that's an anagram of Thomas Anderson and that maybe Neo was in fact not dead, but had reincarnated in the Matrix as a woman. Right. Oh, really?
Starting point is 00:23:28 Well, that's really interesting. Yeah. That ties into like a lot of the trans themes of the Matrix in general. That we are not qualified to talk about. No. There's a great video from the YouTube channel Curio, which is called The Matrix Sequels Are Good Actually, which covers that very thoroughly and is a very good video.
Starting point is 00:23:45 Terrific. Yeah, so I think it's really interesting as well that some of the storyline of The Matrix Online was that there is some version of Neo alive. It could be this woman. It could be that they've got him held hostage and they're keeping him in the Machine City. Just want another look at him.
Starting point is 00:24:02 Every now and then they pull open that drawer and go, yeah, he's still here. We got him. This guy's eyes. Should we put some of those open eyeglasses on him? We could stick some googly eyes on him. Yeah, googly eyes. But, I don't know, I think some of this is going to tie into the new movie.
Starting point is 00:24:18 I think it's all canon at the moment for the Matrix. I mean, they've never really thrown away any of it. Agreed. And there's not, on the whole, it not like star wars or marvel or dc where the canon just goes on forever it's like a you know it's pretty contained at this point yeah yeah yeah anyway do you know what's time for what's the time for first of all they cancel that game because no one liked it or no no people liked it but nobody played it was that i think so yeah yeah i think it did end with like a big like-life server crash.
Starting point is 00:24:45 Everybody got together for the big final battle and it was just like, nope. And people were like, man, this was immersive. Just like the Matrix would. It bricked my computer. It bricked my iMac. Do you know what it's time for, though? Is it time for Matrixphere?
Starting point is 00:25:00 It certainly is. Revolutions? Yes, that's right. Nice. The street corner where Neo and Smith fight in the crater is the same corner from which Neo made his phone call at the end of The Matrix. Oh.
Starting point is 00:25:10 So there you go. There you go. The late Gloria Foster and her replacement Margaret Alice had played sisters in a long-running Broadway play. So there you go. That's something that casting director Marley Finn remembered when she was looking around for a replacement. So that's a nice little nod.
Starting point is 00:25:24 So the term VDTs is mentioned in relation to Bane's self-inflicted cuts. This guy's got VDTs. What's that? I don't know. Some kind of weird Matrix sex disease potentially. No. It's virtual delirium. He had sex with a woman in the red dress.
Starting point is 00:25:37 That's what you get. It's virtual delirium tremens. So the idea is that it's the absence and or withdrawal from the Matrix. So that's what that brings about. It's like the Benz, the album. I love that album. It's a good album. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:25:55 You don't know. I just don't know. You're not going to have an opinion on the Radiohead album, The Benz. I don't. What, are you going to make something up? Yeah. I fucking hate it, all right? Wow, controversial.
Starting point is 00:26:05 So you like their later period works? I don't know, Mason. The more electronic stuff. I have no opinions on Radiohead. How do you feel about Tom York's solo album, The Eraser? Look, just because I'm a guy in my late 30s doesn't mean I have to give a shit about Radiohead, all right? No, you do. I've never cared about Radiohead.
Starting point is 00:26:21 It's the law. Though never mentioned by name, based on the information from the Animatrix, the machine city is actually called Zero One and is located in Saudi Arabia. So that means that this as well as Zion, the last human settlement, would imply that most of the main action from the film franchise takes place in the Middle East.
Starting point is 00:26:39 There you go. There you go. In the Matrix, the human resistance reveal that they don't know what year it is, but it's closer to 2199 than 1999. But in The Matrix Reloaded, it's revealed that the resistance has been created and destroyed five times, each cycle lasting approximately a century, and therefore it is likely to be hundreds of years later than this.
Starting point is 00:27:01 Whoa. Not that it matters because what is years when everything is awful? Exactly. Like now. And here's what the baby from that Nirvana album cover looks like now. Feel old yet?
Starting point is 00:27:12 And look, I just wanted to put this in because I want people to see the footage. So you know the slapping and punching sounds that we get from this. Iconic skin-to-skin action.
Starting point is 00:27:20 Well, here's footage of two shirtless men doing jujitsu on each other, just slapping their bodies together to make these sounds a reality. So there you go. Send this to Joe Rogan. He'll fucking love it. All right, Mason.
Starting point is 00:27:32 Yes. It's box office time. Uh-oh. So this one cost $150 million, like the last one. It only made $427 million down from the $739. I think partially because people were a bit lukewarm going out of the last one. They didn't expect a man to sit down and explain the Matrix to them at the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:54 Did he change his haircut between Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions? Well, you can do that, can't you? I think he did. A computer is going to change his haircut. That woman changed her face, Mason. She's a different woman. Yeah, but he's an old man and he's definitely set in his ways he's not getting a haircut it's a good point but i think they should have waited a year released a couple of video games and comic books
Starting point is 00:28:13 and you know wait for the dvd sales to like go through people get an appreciation for it maybe ramp back up to it yes i think two in a year kind of killed the gains on this yeah and if i know anything it's that you should never lose your gains. You know what I mean? Keep grinding. You know what I mean? Absolutely. 5 a.m. start.
Starting point is 00:28:31 Yeah, yeah. You know, don't lose your gains from the bends. It's straight into OK Computer, you know? I wouldn't know, Mason. I don't have an opinion. You know. It's in your DNA. You know.
Starting point is 00:28:41 What if that's my ability in the Matrix? I can unlock it. I have opinions about Radiohead. That's it, yeah. Oh, my God. I do know a lot about Radiohead. And I hate him. I hate him, Mason.
Starting point is 00:28:52 Anyways, I'm curious, though. First of all, what do people think about this trilogy in general and the way it wrapped up? Because I've definitely come around on this. I quite liked all of this coming back to it. Same. I think it's way better that I gave it credit for initially. They thought about this.
Starting point is 00:29:09 I mean, you know? More than they thought about Speed Racer, am I right? People also like that. No, they do. It's just me, I think. Remember that time they made Hugh Grant Asian in that movie or whatever? Nope. Cloud Atlas?
Starting point is 00:29:21 Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, some thought went into that as well, obviously. Very much so. Anyways, I'm curious, though, also if people want us to come back to cover Enter the Matrix and also the Animatrix. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:33 Because Enter the Matrix is its own self-contained video story, and the Animatrix is obviously a series of vignettes, if you will. Yes. I will. Thank you. Thank you. That kind of flesh out the world. But look, if you do want to see any of our Caravan of Garbage videos early,
Starting point is 00:29:47 like what we're doing next week, here's a hint. Wow. It's maybe Ghostbusters. I can't remember what's on the list. Can't remember. Do you want to look at it now? Yeah. All right, fine.
Starting point is 00:29:56 Fucking Jesus. Radio head. What is this show called? It's supposed to be the document. What is this called? There's an album to you in the document what is this called there's an album james called radio dread yeah and it's like it's like reggae covers of a bunch of uh radio hits it's really good it's good oh we're kicking off that we're doing the the bond movies oh we really yeah didn't we do them already no the craig ones okay right i mean they might still
Starting point is 00:30:21 delay that we'll have to see but we may as well just do them. We've got to fill some time, don't we? Yeah, that's right. As James Bond would say, crikey. Crikey. But yeah, you can actually see all of these early every week over at bigsandwich.co, including some other bonus podcasts that we do, movie commentaries. Our podcast, The Weekly Planet, where we talk movies and comics and TV shows, that comes out a day early on Sunday as opposed to Monday.
Starting point is 00:30:41 If you want to check it out, or just check out the podcast at the regular time, it's got its own YouTube channel and all. Oh, my God. Thanks for watching this, though. I'm at MrSundayMovies on Twitter. I'm at WikipediaBrown on Twitter. Do you have opinions on Radiohead? Let us know in the comments.
Starting point is 00:30:54 Which one's your favourite? You don't have to have an opinion either. That's right, but you should. No. Look at yourself in the mirror. You're a white man in his 30s. You should. You should think about it.
Starting point is 00:31:03 All right, let's get out of here. Grabbed our gem, you guys guys we'll see you next week goodbye I like the song Fake Plastic Trees it's a good song that's on the bands that's all I have to say
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