The Worst Idea Of All Time - 33: 34th Floor

Episode Date: April 15, 2019

The boiz are together in Melbourne and recording on a balcony 34 floors in the air. They contemplate the nature of conversation, the value of older men, the Worst Idea project itself, and briefly, jumping to their deaths. Big has no groomsmen. Tim is on the verge of tears over depriving Monty from hitting the beach. The pair delve further into the Louise Conspiracy and low barriers to high buildings. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We just have a good rhythm together, you know, he sort of feels me out, I feel him out, and we go for it. Hello and welcome to episode 33, season 4 of The Worst Idea of All Time, I'm so happy to be here. Can you hear that? That's the sound of Tim and I shaking hands in the flesh. Together we're touching. As we sit 34 floors above South Bank, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. A swift 34-floor drop to escape the prison in which we currently sit. You can hear the sounds of progress as Melbourne charges ahead. A city of the present, yes, but also a city of the future. It is the world's second most livable city.

After? Vienna, now. Really? Yeah, I learnt that in Stu Dolman's show last night. Every year he talks about how Melbourne is the most livable city in the world. Shout out to Stu. Shout out to his show. In an ocean of a really bad day, his show was a beautiful oasis.

Tim, you had a bad day yesterday. Terrible day. Well, not terrible. Terrible is too harsh. You just arrived in Melbourne. How did you feel when you arrived in Melbourne? I was up against it. There was a lot going on.

Did you get the opportunity to be excited and happy to be in the second most livable city on earth? I sent you a message, which you will remember, on Facebook. I said I'm having a beer at an airport bar and I forgot how much I enjoy having beers in airport bars with my guy Monty. And I'm so looking forward to having a beer with you. So I was excited. It was great. And then the tax department kept trying to ring me in the airport. I kept missing their call.

Yeah, you had a run of little moments. Little annoying moments. Little things. The good news is that you've cleared your schedule. Yes. And you made time for one of the bigger annoying moments in your life. I'm also not going to jail. It was a very small matter.

I never thought you were going to jail i mean i would be so impressed if you were executing fraud the level of which demanded a prison sentence while we were maintaining our friendship as we have been i don't have the stomach for it i really don't but you've got the capacity you just don't have the constitution i don't have the capacity either but i could maybe grow the capacity. I could read a few books. I do not have the stomach for that kind of thing. I get worried if someone's mad at me.

I need to resolve that. I always thought that you handle conflict pretty well in that respect. I think... I think you sort of respect other people's rights to feel how they feel. And you are very at ease with the fact that you aren't in control of some of those elements. That's true, but I will do everything in my power to make sure that we cool between Tim Baird and the rest of the world. Yes.

Sometimes to my detriment, I think. Well, yeah. Not what we're here to talk about. No, but it is interesting. To me, more interesting than the movie we just watched. So we didn't actually... Can you believe this? Despite being in the same city,

with the same amount of time cleared on our schedule for the first time in a long time, we didn't even watch the bulk of the movie together. Could you articulate what your experience was like, Tim? Wake up. Where do you wake up? I'm in Brunswick. Beautiful, trendy,

hip suburb that I haven't been able to exploit yet. That's where I'm sleeping at my mate's place in his lovely spare bedroom. Wake up at 20 minutes to 10. Feeling like P. Diddy?

Yeah. No, actually, because I was hungover. So I was feeling less. P. Diddy? Yeah. No, actually, because I was hungover. Okay. So I was feeling less. P. Diddy probably does feel hungover. That's true. If his hard partying lifestyle that's promoted is anything to believe. What's Sean Combs up to these days?

He's got a luxury line of vodka. Oh, yeah. I don't even know if it's vodka, it might be tequila, but he's got like a boutique spirit and he is doing very well. Everyone is in that game, eh? Dan Aykroyd brought out a vodka. A crystal scale vodka, yeah. Dan Aykroyd.

He's the opposite of hip hop. He's got a vodka. Yeah. He was funny. Yeah, he was. Probably isn't anymore. I can't point to any exact things off top of my dome but i get the sense he's got some some um probably quite outdated opinions on life

yeah i remember a few years ago or something possibly i read like an encyclopedia style but also written as a sort of a presentation of the facts uh book about it the uh saturday night saturday night live year the early years and he was sort of he arrived on the facts book about the Saturday Night Live years, the early years, and he arrived on the scene as a bad boy. Oh, true. From the wrong side of the tracks. I think he was part of that group that did a lot of coke. Absolutely. And it seems to me that a lot of the guys,

a lot of the young bad boys or, you know, the young boundary-pushing white guys of comedy in the 60s and 70s across both the UK and the US, probably also here in the Antipodes, they have not been able to resolve the fact that they are no longer relevant or funny in the present day very well at all. John Cleese, who I think is one of the funniest people

of all time at the peak of his powers, is just furious. Chivvy Chase is chase is another one could be the american equivalent yeah it's it's got to be a hard thing to let go of being like one of the most revered funny people just just do go quietly into that good night and just let your legacy speak for itself yeah you're fucking 70 maybe all the interesting stuff you like just enjoy the fruits of your say it to your grandkids yeah so there i was waking up with a hangover and i did the mental arithmetic we were supposed to start recording at sort of um 12 30 we decided last night in a very um loud bar environment that's right so i was like well fuck i gotta rip this uh scab off pretty quick so i jumped in the shower and um packed my bag and got on a lot of public transport for sort of 45 minutes and how do you find the public transport here in melbourne

second most livable city in the world second to none apart from maybe vienna correct second to one yeah um it was it was great it was very convenient but i felt very embarrassed i found myself turning apart from maybe Vienna. Correct. Second to one. Yeah. It was great. It was very convenient, but I felt very embarrassed. I found myself turning the brightness down on my screen so no one could see I was watching Sex and the City. Oh, wow. You were embarrassed.

I was. Second to one. I'm ashamed of what we do. Second to one, the Tim Batts story. I think you should take pride in it. I know what you're describing. I felt embarrassed watching it on a plane before because people think that I'm that much of a fan.

We've spoken about this. But I think there's... I'm trying to learn to take ownership of embarrassment because that is where liberation lies. That is, you know, the death of the ego is where you can be free. Nice. And if you sit on a tram, loudly, publicly watching and

enjoying Sex and the City, you're going to win over a lot of people. If you take out those headphones and put it on the loudspeaker, you're going to be drawing in people. You're going to create a sense of community on the tram. People are going to be grateful for you. They're on their way to work. They're thinking about something else. Suddenly you're bringing them in saying, hey, look at this.

Carrie's created an entire fictional black family to deal with her heartbreak. That really, because I actually forgot until you mentioned it when I got up here, the Louise conspiracy, and then it was just in time for that scene to come on where we meet Louise's presumably, oh, younger sister or niece maybe? Yeah. The grandma and her mother, and we were just like, none of these people are real.

This is a complex delusion of Carrie's. The amount of work that Carrie has put into this fantasy is at once heartening and terrifying. She has filled out an entire family living in St. Louis who are helping... And a boyfriend.

Some other external person who's not even in there. Confusingly called Will. Well, yes. This is what I was saying during the watch, guys, that he's called helping. And a boyfriend. Some other external person. Confusingly called Will. Well, yes, this is what I was saying during the watch, guys, that Will is a clue. His name is a clue because Carrie has Willed him into existence. He is just a figment of Will. And what I'm trying to tell you is if you're sitting on the tram,

8.45 a.m., loudly explaining to everyone in earshot what you're watching, you're not going to feel embarrassed about what you're doing anymore. You're going to feel proud. Imagine if every person you've walked past, and maybe they're wearing slightly shabby clothes, like, you know, I wasn't looking my best on that tram situation. When they're talking about something, maybe they're constructing a book, a podcast series,

they've delved into something, and you actually need to pay more attention, not less attention. Everyone tunes them out, myself included. We put on the headphones. I want to tune in. It's interesting, isn't it? I mean, if you say you just walk up to anyone on the street, what do you think percentage-wise the chances are

that they're going to say something you find interesting or that you could have a conversation that is mutually interesting? Far out. How interesting? In your current state that you'd be happy to engage in. My tolerance is low at the moment because I'm a bit tired, a bit bushly. But I would say the odds are about one in three. 33%?

Yeah. So you think 33% of people are of value? To me. Yeah. Yeah. I could be interested in a one-off convo with them. Okay. What about this?

Do you think you could make a conversation interesting to anyone? Yeah. Well, to a greater degree than the average bear, I think. Yeah. You're smarter than the average bear. It's not intelligence, it's curiosity. I'm curious about a lot of things. What are your tips and tricks? To what?

Ask a lot of questions and listen to people. Find out what they're passionate about. What are you interested to find out what people are passionate about? I remember when I had that discovery as well. It's like, well, whatever I'm the most interested in, everyone else is as interested in something as I am in that. And so if I meet them and find out what it is and just ply them with questions and visual cues that I'm engaged and interested, even when I'm not,

here's the secret. I don't give a fuck a lot of the time but you smile and you nod and you go oh wow yeah and you can even if you if you feel the need to speak for yourself you can relate it back to your own experience you can go well you probably feel about this thing the same way i feel about this thing now we're having a conversation baby magic that's it that's the recipe that's how it works um you now have the ingredients to go and have a wonderful conversation with anyone you know what struck me today guy i've i can't believe i never thought of this before big's got no groomsmen carrie's got three of her best friends piled in the car and um you know contrasting colors but in a sort of of motif that they've figured out.

And Biggs just buys fucking lonesome with his driver. I know. That's it. And he chooses to isolate himself further. This is a guy who could use someone loudly watching Sex and the City on the J train. Or some groomsmen. If he had groomsmen, do you think... I mean, they would have fucking sorted him out.

He just needed a friend. Yeah. Big big just needs a pal that's right i think he has i guess in a sense he is always meant to be independent of of anyone like he exists you know unto himself no man is an island and i think this movie's proof yeah because i i i totally agree that you know all of the all of the things he felt, I mean, the poor communication that they shared before the marriage obviously is not an ideal run-in, but everything he experienced is probably not, you know, in flashes or bursts, uncommon.

But it's just if you have no outlet to sort of talk through it and solve the problem, it can just grow. Yeah. And every week I just want him to walk down i mean and i know it's coming i know i know i will bet you a hundred dollars yeah by the end of the season that big walks down the aisle at the hour mark into the movie oh once oh yeah i'll be a hundred dollars he walks down the aisle and big will get married to Carrie the first time around Folks what you can't see is Guy Montgomery has extended

His delusional hand to me To try and solidify this deal This is like making a deal with the mentally deficient I can't do this Absolutely not, take the bet This feels immoral If you're so sure about yourself, take the bet I owe you $20 by the way

I can't remember what the bet was But I made a bet with you on the podcast I think it would be 20 bucks and an extra screening of Sex and the City Do you remember what it was? What the bet was? Absolutely not Someone will know. If you could please tweet at us that would probably be the best way

That would be great. Just remind us of what happened I was wrong about something I owe you 20 bucks Which I think I've got in my pocket. I'll give it to you at the end of this I was wrong about something. I owe you 20 bucks, which I think I've got in my pocket. I'll give it to you at the end of this. I was defiantly proud. So how was your watch before I arrived when I was on the public transport?

Really sad. So I'm living with some of our Little Empire brethren. Yeah. You know, you've got the male gazer here, Alice Sneddon is here. We've got a pretty full house of guests at the moment. And they were all, they'd borrowed a convertible from Alice's friend Morgan. A car?

Yep. Soft top? They were going to drop the top and they were heading out to the beach. And as they were all leaving, I was just sitting in my bed. No. I'd uncorked sex in the city. Oh, my God. I'm so sorry.

And I was saying to anyone and everyone, I was saying, come in, guys. Watch this. You're going to love this. And they would say, no. And I'd say, come on. And they'd say, no, this is your decision. And I'd say, guys, you're going to love this movie. It's actually a good movie.

And they'd say, no, we're going to go and look at the water. That breaks my heart that you are not at the beach. I didn't know that. you've been working so hard over here fuck man i'm gonna cry no no don't don't cry this is before we started into the louise conspiracy theory in the last episode this is what i was trying to say to you i am honestly welling up that you're not at the beach i know well it's fine because this is devastating to me 34 floors up i can end this thing whenever i want but the thing is this is what i was i lived in fear of is like already i struggle to and this is through no one's fault but my own like it's i find it difficult in the

throes of the festival to uh wrestle total control of my time and decision making. Like there's always something owed to someone else. There's always something that is meant to or needs to be done. Yeah. And so your arrival, for how excited I am to see Tim, and like, oh, man, remember the start of the season? Do you remember those guys? Because they were not these guys.

Yeah, right. And so when you were coming i knew you were coming and i'm obviously always excited to see and spend time with you but i was like well that is like all those pockets of time which i barely had control over yeah those are now they're our time and our time should technically be the best time because we've got a lot in common we've got a lot to talk about and we do if we have a conversation chances are it's going to be fun but we've limited the value of our time too and this is exactly i spoke to tom walker recently and he was famous australian comedian he was telling me friend of the podcast he was telling me about when he listened to the start of this season

and he could see something that i think everyone who's listening right now could see and that neither of us were aware of, which is we're saying we miss each other, we want to hang out. And Tom was saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This isn't it, boys. This isn't it. Just have a phone call. Yeah.

And he's right. He's right. But we're here. and he's right he's right but we're here there is something because i know that um what you're describing so far describes the entire podcast project which we've been doing for several years now but there really is something very different about the two watches per week the pressure on our time as a result of that is uh is dicey oh yeah i'm all right with it it's it's okay especially i feel a very strong commitment now based on the fact that um we've we've got a little machine going you know people are contributing money to us through the patreon

which i am eternally grateful for we've we've got a couple ads running um we've got to stay on top of it i get it's it's essentially work now um but it is psychically very damaging to be going toe-to-toe with carrie and the gals this frequently i know and it's i mean lessons literally the refusal to learn lessons is admirable because it is it's not because it's not even the practice of doing it twice a week. It's the length. Yeah. It's two and a half hours plus an hour for record, set up, and dismantle. So it's three and a half hours out of a day, which doesn't sound like a lot.

But it is, folks. Well, I mean, not to people people who work i guess it's not if you work at you know nine to five what a way to make a living yeah yeah but it's just like we don't need to check our privilege a little bit things wow absolutely be worse yeah no of course i mean things could be so much worse no one's asked for this it It's the comparative thing, isn't it? Happiness is drawn from where you're at in your community. The people you're surrounded by, what your position is in there. And people talk about this when you become a millionaire,

that when you're in the low millions, it's actually like really hard because you're suddenly in this sort of another echelon or tier of people that you're with by virtue of probably where you live. You're an expensive property. You're an expensive area. Suddenly you're thrust into a world full of yachts, expensive vacations, holiday homes,

complicated tax structures you've got to outrun, and just a whole private school. By the way, that's a very important note is you do have to outrun and just a whole private school By the way, that's a very important note is you do have to outrun them Do not just pay whatever the amount of tax you're being asked to No, no Spend all of your spare time finding loop holes and escape hatches

Yeah Panama That's right, we're still appealing to one libertarian listener and I would like to say this Evade tax at all costs. Oh, I'm not cosigning that. This is Timbatt saying I do not cosign.

against paying your fair share of tax at the worst idea of all time. Oh, you've put it forward as a whole show ideology, haven't you? You've done it now, Monty. When you're in the low millions, you still feel poor

because you're having to buy so much shit and pay for so much expensive shit that you actually don't have any money. Is this a creative analogy or is this something that you've read or you know of? This is real. This is a real thing. Apparently, I've read about it ages ago. Are you a millionaire? Is this your coming out party? Yes. How'd you do it?

And it's hard. It's so hard. How'd you do it? Was it by not paying tax? Yeah, absolutely. That's the secret, everybody. How'd you do it? Was it by not paying tax? Yeah. That's the secret, everybody.

But I also, I remember, I didn't finish this book, but I did start it. Nice. Nelson Mandela's... Shout out to books. Nelson Mandela's wife wrote a book. And she talks about at the start of it how the happiest people she's ever met are field workers who are doing manual labor jobs because they were surrounded by people in the exact same situation. And they're just like, this is our whole world, this is us. And they kind of, like, just got on and they sort of...

I think it's that human connection thing. I have strayed so far from the original point I was making, I don't even know what the fuck I'm talking about. Oh, no, but it's... The folly of humanity is, you know, measuring yourself against anyone else ever, I think, is... But isn't that... It's what folly of humanity is, you know, measuring yourself against anyone else ever, I think. But isn't that, it's what we all do. It's like, that's where happiness comes from.

That way lies madness, man. Yeah. Or like, because, you know, no one cares about you as much as you. And I just think it's an easy trap to fall into. That's powerful especially in the entertainment no one cares more about you than you well apart from if you're in love

well done no no no what you're saying is very insightful I'm not trying to pick holes in it I think it's quite profound you're right everyone's so busy worrying about themselves that you don't need to worry about

what other people think of you paranoia is born out of like egomania because you know to be paranoid is to believe that your life is that valuable or interesting that other people are specifically working within their own lives to do something to impact you but that's not the case at all they're flat out no one is noticing the way you dance at a disco because they're also dancing. That's what I think. This is good stuff. We're on the balcony.

I don't know if we mentioned that before, but we're actually overlooking. 34 floors up. Can you believe it? That would be the case if we were inside as well, though. But we're outside. If you can hear traffic noise and construction, that's what it is. They don't even have a restrictive barrier. What they put up barely reaches my hips. Oh okay i'm looking out i should take these glasses off do you know tim fuck that is mass vertigo that is making me feel

ill every single morning i get up and i walk out onto this balcony and i look over it and i think it really just is that easy far out so. So I think like, you know, I might have said this before, but anyone who says they've never considered, not even in actuality, but anyone who says they've never considered,

you know, killing themselves, what they're really saying is that they've never walked over a decent sized bridge. Yeah. They've never been 34 floors up on the balcony in the middle of a comedy festival.

That, um... I think the thing is, I festival that um i think though the thing is i know that as soon as i was in free fall i'd be like oh no i've cooked it i've made a mistake there's a there's a name for it i think that feeling i don't know what it is it's so prolific it's so like common that feeling of looking out over hide absolutely and it doesn't even need to be entirely you know tied up in the mental side of it. Not at all. It's not like your emotional state.

It's some weird proclivity. It's a curiosity built around the limitations of the human body and physics. Yeah. Let's test some things. There is a part of me, not now, I'm too old now, but when I was younger, I genuinely would have thought that if I just bent my knees on impact, a 34-floor drop. younger, I genuinely would have thought that if I just bent my knees on impact... A 34

floor drop. Shin splints at worst, but otherwise I could walk it off. My word. Guy, it's a wonder you've made it to 30. Happy birthday. Thank you. Ah, what else happens in the movie? I was thinking about some stuff today.

What was it? What were some other notes? Well, should we delve into some shining lights? Absolutely. I've wanted to say it for so long. Carrie skips over a puddle. She's wearing shoes that I wouldn't wear, but in the same way I like to leap over puddles

if I am in a city or town or a place where it's recently rained. Sort of just like you bring your feet right to the precipice of where the puddle would make your toes wet yeah and you push off and you land on the other side and it's a great feeling you feel athletic um even if it's not a particularly athletic maneuver and she does it on the way to meet uh her alter ego louise and the partner for whom she's created for her alter ego, Will. And every week I love it. This week, I love it so much, I'm going to tell you about it. This, of course, only happens when I'm not in town with you,

whereupon I would lay my jacket down on top of the puddle for you to walk across. Yes, yes, yes. As is custom. You love getting your clothes wet. For you. In general, you just love wet denim, eh? It's not that I love wet denim, it's that I hate dry denim. Yeah, yeah.

You know, and there's not a lot of alternatives to that. It's a subtle but important distinction. I'll use whatever I have around me as well. If I'm in a cafe, I'll throw cold coffee on there or water if they've got a jug. If I'm walking down the street, I will piss myself. I won't tolerate dry clothes. That's disgusting, but I respect a man who knows what he wants. I'm going to borrow a little bit from a potential shining light you mentioned.

Oh, wait, maybe not, actually. I like the snow in the New Year's Eve montage that Carrie's walking through when she has 48 minutes to get from her place to Brooklyn. Where is she? She's in Manhattan, right? Yeah, no she's actually she's just going down to lower manhattan she's not going to brooklyn it's 11 12 p.m she's going to visit miranda miranda's not in brooklyn remember miranda moves into old ukrainia near chinatown on the lower east side oh she was in brooklyn she moved out of brooklyn true yeah and and Steve have a pretty big spat. Yeah, I remember that. Because he fucked Smith Jarrett.

And Smith Jarrett fucked him. I liked the snow. And I think it's probably fake. And there's a lot of it. And it's definitely a practical effect. Ah, you like... Well, yeah, they probably did the snow budget before they did the autumnal leaves budget. Which we all know, they were pretty thin on the ground.

Not enough leaves for you, eh? You're a bit gassy. You are smashing a beer at the ripe old... Oh, it's fucking ten past one. I thought it was still the morning. No, no, no, no. This is... Time gets treated very differently inside this project, doesn't it?

Well, the whole idea of time and days of the weeks has literally been stripped to nothing by my book. I'd like to talk about something which I think might be part of the reason that Brady is such a damaged child and acts out the way that he does eventually. Can we please talk about the children? Brady Hobbs is five years old in this movie. He's not the most intelligent five-year-old. No.

But by the same token, he's also not the most dense. He might be. But in spite of that, Steve and, by virtue of silent compliance, Miranda, continue to refer to Brady as the baby. Yeah. If you're calling your child who's five years old a baby, that's going to create some long-lasting... Brady is not even a toddler.

No. He's a child. He's a kid. You can't refer to a five-year-old as a baby without thinking that it's going to stunt their development in some way. And, I mean, to be fair, I think the reason he wins the science fair with his rat maze or mouse maze you know

two years on that's not because it's genuinely more impressive than someone who's explaining what static electricity is in a way that both five-year-olds eight-year-olds ten-year-olds and adults can understand and engage with and retain it's out of sympathy he's not given that first place ribbon because of how successful or brilliant his science experiment was he's not given that first place ribbon because of how successful or brilliant his science experiment was. He's given that because he's been mollycoldered his whole life. He's got no fucking idea what real achievements are. And he's got an inflated sense of self.

Is it a worry to you that I had forgotten about that whole science fair thing for a movie that I've seen 52 times? No. It's a worry to me that I remember it. I envy you.

Cool, man. Because I did think I remember it now that you've said it but I was like what are you talking about? What is static electricity? And the winner is

Brady Hobbs for his Mouse Maze. Woo! This is how you create an anti-hero. Take me back to the rainbow. That rainbow magic.

Rainbow, rainbow, rainbow's end. That rainbow magic. Great times. At rainbow's End I was on and off the tram on that one with you. What do you like about this city? I'm cooking out here, by the way. I'm roasting.

It's hot today. I love the cafe culture. You know I love cafes. You do. You love to eat out. I love the power culture. You know I love cafes. You do. You love to eat out. I love the power of public transport. I've got a huge number of friends that live here now. I love the botanical gardens.

I run around them most days. I just generally like the size of Melbourne. It's got all of the amenities of a proper you know metropolitan city with the the comfort of a of a smaller place that feels like home and uh i don't know i often wonder if i moved to australia where it would be melbourne's up there but ray badger and raised a very good point he said if you're going to move he's living in london though so if you're going to move back to australia yeah if you move to melbourne it's just a smaller representation of what a big international city is like you're not moving back to australia for australia it's like if you move to sydney

in that instance you're going to at least get to enjoy all the things that do separate australia from somewhere like england which is like the climate the beaches you know access to beautiful bodies of water in which you can refresh yourself. The thing about Sydney is, and I lived there a very long time ago, like 10 years ago, just for six months, but it's fucking expensive to live there

and just exist. Big time. If you want to have any fun in Sydney, you better be earning some serious coin. Well, you know one of the most efficient ways to earn money? Don't pay any tax avoid tax that's right with your help single libertarian listener we will shrink government

to a size where we can crush it under our boot that is the ultimate goal of this podcast project four years in the making and finally we can speak freely as we've whittled away at our listenership until the only one dedicated and true listener remains we're going to rally the troop for there is only one and we need only one fuck man i don't have i don't have anything else to say about this film which is a concern because we're putting on a live show in a few days here in melbourne by the time you listen to this episode comes out, that will have only just happened, but it will be on the other side of it.

What is there more to say? I'm not too worried about that, Tim. I'm not worried about any of this. I think... Do you reckon Samantha's going to eventually regret her decision to break up with Smith? Do you think she's going to get to age, let's say, 68? And I really hate to say this, but I think this is steeped in medical fact. The fact that she's had cancer once, I think, increases the likelihood that it will come back later on.

And to be honest, when you're in a situation where you're up against it, you want to have a partner there with you. You want to have a person who's on your side in a big way. She is a strong, independent woman. Clearly, that is true. I think there'll be flashes of regret, but ultimately I think she feels good within herself about the decision. Yeah.

And I think that isn't even from a selfish place. I think she feels good about the decision because it was the right thing to do for both parties. Yeah, that's a good point. The moment isn't always pleasant, but ultimately she's setting Smith free to find someone who loves him the way he needs to be loved. That is such a good point. And he is, you know, he's a hunk and he's handsome and he plays a doctor on TV. And he probably gets all sorts of different people throwing themselves at him. Yeah.

But ultimately, he's a sensitive new age guy who needs someone who's as invested in the relationship as he is. And him and Samantha share a healthy working relationship. She works on his next film. The one where he had to fly to the Middle East to shoot the movie poster. In front of a green screen. Now, if we want to talk about uncomplicated tax structures, I think that is certainly one of them. When you've got to burn so much cash that you're funding a bunch of people to go to the Middle East versus shooting against a green screen. Oh, that's my kind of fraud.

Yeah, yeah. Now we're cooking. We're talking about the upper echelons of fraud. Before we get out of here, I'd like to ask you this. We're not getting out of here. We've been talking for 32 minutes. That's ages, man. That feels like seven hours.

Is there anyone who you'd like to get licked this week? Yeah. It's Mr. Big. Oh, no. What's's he done it's just a fuck man i i know that earlier today i said that he probably needed some groomsmen some friends to help him through this time but it's almost a reflection that in his late late 50s i want to say seems to be like 58 something around there if he doesn't kind of know that about himself and is willing to acknowledge the personal flaws that he has that can only be filled out by having a bit of love and support around him and then sort of nourishing that running with that then that's still kind of his fault the fact that he hurts carrie so much um sure maybe if

there was a friend there you know it wouldn't happen but guess what is sort of his responsibility to know that about himself and to put some people around him i reckon that the conception of the film i love you man starring paul rudd and jason seagull was probably in the back of watching this and they thought well what say big was a developed enough character to identify flaws within himself and his personality yeah and needed to recruit a groomsman that's one thing i would be curious about in the series is whether or not he has friends throughout that because it seems to me his friends are just you know vague connections to acquaintances, usually partners of partners. Yeah. I don't think he has any friends in the TV

show because... He asked the jerk from his office to his rehearsal dinner. Yeah, exactly. Carl. But he is a partner. You're thin on the ground if you're asking colleagues out of obligation. For your, yeah, for your engagement. What is that? It's called a rehearsal dinner.

Rehearsal dinner, right. That is, yeah, things are pretty thin on the ground when you're inviting Carl, a known arsehole, to come dine with you the night before your big day. Because presumably that means he's definitely at the wedding, and he's probably got a good seat. Come fly with me, let's fly, let's fly away. Are you thinking about... Going for a fly off the balcony absolutely it's very dark i don't think we should uh we certainly shouldn't do it no no we should talk

about it either it's just i know we shouldn't but you know you watch sex in the city for the 33rd time hey it's a shame it wasn't the 34th time. 34th floor. Yeah, if you look over it, you do get chronic vertigo, eh? Oh, man. It makes me physically ill doing that. Guy is just looking straight down now. Got his head leaned over the very concerningly low barrier that they've got.

It only comes up to his waist, to his belly button. So there's really no um it's a beautiful day in melbourne city town if we put a pin in this i've got to be somewhere in an hour but you know we could go and get a coffee together fuck fuck off that'd be so good god that'd be nice guys i'm sorry i feel like i'm depriving you of a good five maybe ten minutes of podcast but we're damaged and we need to go heal ourselves, much like Big Needs to. So to all of our listener, you've been licked. This is the Frosty Fellas signing off.

We just have a good rhythm together, you know. He sort of feels me out, I feel him out. And we go for it.