The Worst Idea Of All Time - Episode One: Dante's Peak

Episode Date: December 24, 2018

The boys are back in town. After promising to not return to the Worst Idea format, Guy and Tim are back in the mines. This time, 52 reviews of Sex and The City. In this exciting first watch, Guy has thrilled to see some peen, has extreme issues with Big's fashion and is legitimately touched by Steve and Miranda’s relationship.Tim can't get over the terrible timing of this film's release, loves Jennifer Hudson's character and welcomes to return of the Runkle Crunkle. Let’s dig in. This is gonna hurt. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

We just have a good rhythm together, you know, he sort of feels me out, I feel him out, and we go for it. Hello and welcome to the worst idea of all time, season four, promises made, promises unmade. Guy Montgomery, you're joining me from New York City, we swore to never do this format again, how are you? to never do this format again. How are you? Yeah, good. Look, I believe the turn of phrase is promises broken. And I don't know who to be upset for at this broken promise, whether it's one another, ourselves, or for you,

anyone listening along. It fills my heart with dread and glee to tell you that Tim Batt and myself have both just sat down and poured out... Hold on, hold on. Before we get into the film. How, like, what... Can I just say, I want to put it on the record, first episode. It's been a long time between drinks.

I think we've been off format for not not quite a year but sort of heading up to i would say nine months or so does that sound about right that sounds about right i was um very pumped about jumping back in the pool with you big boy but i kind of forgot the fact that we are separated by a great distance and i think it's really going to change the complexion of a whole season uh god have mercy on us we will attempt to get through a whole 52 episodes of this and um after one watch i was i was not in a good zone and i actually woke up this morning with stomach cramps and uh thought i was going to vomit which i can only associate with getting back into the worst idea viewings.

It's actually called getting back into worst idea shape. And I understand you also have a physio appointment not long after this for a runner's knee. So who's to say what's attributable to your rigorous exercise regimen and what's attributable to the specter of 52 weeks of this now uh obviously i was about i was building up to saying something uh we've danced around it but what i want you all to know is tim batten and i both just sat down and poured over the two hour and 30 minute uh body of work that comprises michael patrick king's original love letter to the movie format with the characters made so popular by the hbo series uh tim batten myself have just watched sex and the city open parenthesis one i guess close parenth, or open parenthesis, the film. Yeah, the movie is how I've seen it being depicted online.

2008, am I right in saying that? You are right in saying that. I was but two years out of high school. I was a second year university student at Victoria University of Wellington. I was living in Torrens Terrace, a very run-down block of flats at the top of Cuba Street, a part of town, or specifically that building known for its partying antics. And boy, did I party. Tim, where were you? Funnily enough, I might have been, oh no, at that point I had moved.

But I used to live just around the corner from you in the QBA apartments, which are at the top of cuba which were kind of the nice version of the ones you were living at i went to a party or two you'd be a fucking dumb mate just above the hell pizza there guy used to wander down in my dressing gown with my millions of dollars before i was a 20 year old with a full-time job i can only imagine i actually i remember going to a party in that building and thinking oh wow so this is how the other half live uh so my congratulations to that that former version of yourself uh look first things first tim obviously it's quite it's an interesting order to watch uh the movies any sort of movies in uh and knowing what we know about how things unfold in the second movie it's almost like um it's really interesting i felt like it was sort

of like uh we'd sort of tried to build the middle of a jigsaw puzzle but we hadn't done the border yet and this is like watching someone assemble the border yeah very much so what i liked is that they put a bridge at the start between the series as a refresher it was like a previously on sex in the city to bring you right back up to speed just to help out all the people who had wandered into the cinema uh not aware of the franchise or what the characters have been through i'll tell you who those people were tim those were those were partners those were boyfriends and husbands that's what i suspected as well um so it really brought you back up to speed with all of the the journeys

and the arcs but it was also quite a there was a bit of a distance between the end of the tv series and the first movie right look i mean again uh i mean while i i feel like we've filled out the jigsaw as far as it can go, I have been made aware that this was a substantially popular television program before either of those movies. It's impossible for me to know what we've missed between the end of the series and the start of the movie. But I loved it. It just starts at such a clip. They go, bang, bang, bang, bang.

Here are the four primary characters you need to concern yourself with. Here's the format. Here's how we're dealing with it. Let's make a fucking movie. But then true to Forbes, boy, the brakes come on hard and they don't stay off. It is a movie stuck in second gear with also the handbrake firmly pointing to the sun. Oh, my friend. We could not be coming at this from more different angles. Oh, my friend!

We could not be coming at this from more different angles. Two and a half hours is long for any film, but I would describe what I just watched as a romp. We had, as opposed to what we had in Sex and the City 2, three and a half, almost, storylines crammed into the film, as opposed to the zero that the sequel tallied. Look, I enjoyed it all like i enjoyed this film all the way up to um i mean i i don't think it's a spoiler to talk about the plot line of a movie that was released 10 years ago uh big and carrie's reunion when they uh in the wardrobe at the apartment that they've sold the

glitzy penthouse um all the way up until then i was like hey we're having fun this is all right and then when i saw them get back together and i considered i'd have to watch the mess they create for themselves before patching it up again and again and again i was smiling along i laughed aloud uh a few times there's one i can specifically remember i mean i don't live in fear of this yet let's enjoy ourselves the movie will never look better sweet ignorant guy i really wish i had brought your attitude to my watch and it could have been colored by the fact that I put it off as long as possible. This is a two and a half hour movie. And I ended up starting the watch at 11 p.m. last night.

And then I was anticipating breaking it into two bite-sized pieces. So I'd wake up early and finish the second half. But I was like, fuck it, I'll just watch the whole thing now. And then I can sort of sleep in and um i can't tell you how many times i kept looking at how long there was to go and just being shocked to see a time code of one hour and 40 minutes left i was just like are you kidding me man you call me sweet ignorant guy you're sweet ignorant Tim watching it for the first time knowing it clocks in at a girthy two and a half hours

at 11pm on a school night I mean that is tandem out to self harm Tim that is like you know you've got to hit this in the daytime even splitting it would have been a nice idea. No one enjoys watching a movie they don't want to

when they're feeling tired. I'm just thinking of you up and alone at 12.30am on a Thursday morning, trudging through the remaining hour of this film. Of course you didn't enjoy yourself. Do you know what's going to happen as well? This is a foregone conclusion a true inevitability this will be i think the shape of a lot of watches

because the time zone uh variable that we've thrown into the mix here is not insignificant we're sort of a very awkward um opposite ends of the day and i i do like to watch the movie as close as i can to a record just to get a fresh perspective to pour into the microphone i i look my kingdom for your enthusiasm for that first watch guy truly i wish i had it um but i don't think i could even muster it if i sort of made the decision to get positive about this thing because it was just it was it was hard it's hard work yeah yeah before you hard work before you launch into your various problems with the film and i'm not over here telling you that we just watched a perfect bit of cinema uh i would love to just try and milk some positivity out of you while i may

if you could share your shining light for this the first screening of sex in the city oh wow shining light uh i i'm gonna paint with a really broad brush this episode and say just like samantha everyone else has got their shitty little problems. And Samantha is just this perpetual beam of light shining through. She seems to be the only real character, you know. She's had an actual problem. She had to get chemo, which they talk about. And now she's just loving life. I feel like it colors her whole character in a really positive way.

She out to fuck. And she don't mind who knows it. And she's struggling to um consolidate that with her relationship to smith garrett uh which we really get to see the contours of in this this movie i don't want to put carts before horses but i like i've got a very bad memory how the fuck did i don't understand how the ending of this film with the smith smith garrett relationship connects to the second film uh because it ends on like it ends on good on good terms it's quite an amicable uh a conscious uncoupling in the great words of uh health and

well-being guru gwyneth peltro I feel like they end on decent terms. And accordingly, you know, Samantha's not ending it because she wants a relationship with someone else. She's ending it because all she really wants is a relationship with herself. Doesn't mean her and Smith Garrett can't link up in fucking Tallahassee and bump uglies every now and then.

Gotcha. Or the Middle East, as the case may be. So there is all of this to say I've forgotten what the line is, Guy. Truly, there was a line that I really loved delivered by Samantha. I can't remember what it was. Can I guess what it is?

Yeah, yeah, go for it. It's an experimentation in our synchronicity. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Carrie's been jilted. The four friends decide to go on the honeymoon together by way of solidarity to support i mean what is understandably an absolutely devastated carrie bradshaw uh they look around the it's i mean reminiscent of when they arrive at the opulent hotel and sex in the city too only they're they're looking at sort of the condo or bungalow where Big and Kerry would have spent their honeymoon.

A beautiful view of an azure ocean across a balcony. Like undeniably beautiful. And Samantha says to herself, this will kill her. Ah, good but not it. Oh man man that line was the biggest laugh i had i was like that was when i shared a comic sensibility to the syllable with one of the characters because it's true it's true you know saying it doesn't mean that it devalues it it was funny i could feel uh the bond of friendship between them but i mean you know like

i was i was really in the i was really in the movie at that point that's great man i'm so happy for you this is like the start of an exciting relationship that i know is going to go south at some point but like you're you're having a good time with this movie and i love that yeah so you you don't remember the the samantha line but samantha's general presence was your shining light i'm gonna go with that this time yeah i can't remember the line i will get it in subsequent watches i'll tell you that for free what was your shining light guy just like to say dire straits for your prospects if you're one of your highlight from the first mate this is what happens when you're forced to watch

a film in the middle of the night your brain gets scrambled it's all jumbled up the entirety of someone's character uh well mine was going to be the line i just shared but i i enjoyed the movie to such an extent that you need not worry there's there's plenty more i enjoyed the um the curtains drawn lights up no holds barred approach to uh sort of the the raunchiness of the film something that was sorely lacking in its sequel was just how out and out horny these motherfuckers are. You know, you've got... I'm specifically right now thinking of Dante's dick or Dante's peak, if you will.

Yeah, yeah. Samantha accidentally stumbles into her sexed-up neighbor, and this is the guy who's causing sort of the bulk of her consternation about being in a relationship, is that she sort of the bulk of her consternation about being in a relationship. Is that she sort of regards her neighbor in Los Angeles as the male equivalent of her. A different lady every night. He fucks just unrelentingly.

I don't know what this guy does for work. All he appears to do is have sex with a beautiful woman. And this really turns Samantha on. Yeah yeah and the ocean that's true he he has sex with the ocean on on top of surfboard often that's right if you want to fuck the ocean take up surfing uh but so she got and she her little dog that she buys who's also a representation of her horniness because it's been neutered but it humps everything in sight runs up onto this uh dante enjoying an outdoor shower and this is not long after we've seen i believe it's not long after or like i mean on top of this by way of raunchiness we've got two pretty powerful sex scenes between

uh steve and miranda um you know we've got just it just it just feels like it's having more fun it's more confident in itself than the second film, which is such a weird comparison point. And I think that might be part of why I enjoyed it is because I am drawing a very direct line between the two. But when we saw the penis, I mean, I feel like there must have been a conversation around that because it's not, you know, like at the time of release back in 08.

But I was like, wow, we're really out here. I loved it. I loved Dante's Peak. We didn't see a ton of Dante's Peak, though. It was a titillating view of it. It came on screen. We saw it. It was a co-star.

Chuck her in the credits. Right under whatever the real guy's name is we'll find that out later many opportunities but dante's peak made just a tantalizing sort of it was a side boob equivalent but for dick a little side dick i thought that's i think and i feel like that's part of what i loved about it it was so it was tantalizing. It was so, it was like, oh. And also, I mean, we didn't get a lot of it, but what I did see, it looked post-ejaculate to me, which sort of ups the raunchiness again.

I mean, I don't know, I don't know a lot about penis size, but the guy looked, it looked weighty, man. You know? Well, you're going to, look, if you're're gonna be casting for that role i think he's got two and a half lines in the entire film you're gonna want to see the penis in

the casting room you know you're gonna want to see what you're dealing with this is going to be a centerpiece for the film people are going to talk about dante's peak uh someone may make a podcast about it decades from release you're going to want to get that knob right that's right uh but i yeah like i mean that just it felt like the movie was having fun with itself and that was sort of uh it was it was a treat um on the uh exposure of bodies front as well weirdly so what i kept thinking about this movie was sir jessica parker's fingerprints rule over it the entire thing was so constructed to put her in uh the best light possible and sort of to have as few things like sticky points of actual conflict that would travel

with her outside of the film as possible i'll try and dig into what i'm talking about here i'm pretty sure we see we definitely see uh cynthia nixon's naked breasts and she's having um passionate lovemaking session with the mayor of new york steve and we also uh i think see charlotte's breasts at one point, but I can't remember when is that right? I'm with you, I mean a hazy memory of it's there, but I also don't remember the

sense Sarah Jessica Parker we don't see any of that stuff, and there's even an exchange where they're talking about in their respective relationships how much sex they all have on the regular Miranda hasn't had sex in six months inside of her marriage

you see which is creating some issues Charlotte announces that she has sex two to three times a week with Runkle and talk about a shining light could not express my joy at seeing the rinkle crinkle back on

what was originally a big screen but for me quite a small screen in the middle of the night in new zealand in my bed it was something special um and samantha announces that she has sex all the time love sex can't get enough of it and syria jessica parker carrie bradshaw refuses to partake of the conversation whatsoever. They ask her. They try to elicit how many times she has sex from her. These are inextricably linked women who have been spiritual besties for eons. And she will not share with the group, after they have laid their sexual souls bare, how much intercourse the woman is getting.

souls bear that's how much intercourse the woman is getting do you know tim she says something uh which to me was almost uh more personal like to to the point of line crossing says something even more salacious and like just dripping in the filthiest fucking kami innuendo she She says, like, by way of sort of a winking confessional, when big colors... Well, explain the metaphor, though. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Sorry, sorry. Lily is there. Yeah, yeah. So, they're not allowed to say the word sex because Lily and Runkle's beautiful daughter, adopted daughter Lily,

is there. I say adopted because it was nice to see that part of the storyline I mean because Charlotte's storyline is essentially uh you know her her looming and eventual pregnancy and birth holy shit this I don't want to spend some time there's a lot of stuff I also I don't want to blip your spot but you did accidentally just say it was uh Lily's daughter Lily it's this isn't a um uh one of those awful situations of hollywood directors sort of

you know having it off with the stepchild or anything like that is it's charlotte and runkel's daughter lily yeah yeah yeah i apologize uh but so uh they changed the word to coloring so because she's coloring in so they use that as a metaphor so when they're talking about coloring they're actually talking about intercourse and uh so this conversation plays out carrie as simmers detailed refuses to divulge how often her and big have sex uh creating more intrigue not just for the friends but also the viewers and then sort of as a compromise or like you know some sort of uh consolation prize she says uh i won't i won't say blah blah but when big colors he really stays inside the lines and it's meant to be the sort of pithy throwaway one-liner

that answers all without saying anything but it just throws up all sorts of disgusting scenarios in my mind where i'm like well what constitutes coloring outside the lines i mean come everywhere let's not beat around the bush the guy has got ejaculate everywhere and it'll be a mess an absolute mess have some consideration now can we talk about big in this film? Guy Montgomery. New York City's favorite financier. What a fuck. This guy. He's such a sad sack in this movie.

He is. Some of the suits he wears. I know that fashion doesn't age, but there's a particular suit he wears when they're first inspect inspecting the i believe the the fancy penthouse apartment that is uh purportedly beyond their means until big says i've got this but he's wearing this suit while they're looking in the tiny little wardrobe i mean it is just it's it's baggy too baggy through the legs but also like tapered like short leg to the point of we used to call them hover

pants and uh intermediate and like uh middle school so that we could taunt anyone who didn't wear pants that were long enough for their legs the guys wearing fucking like i don't know straight like three quarter pants i didn't notice yeah like straight legged capris i mean they're they're begging all the wrong spots i was frankly disgusted and there is a parade of other questionable fashion you know on display by so many characters and they're like is it i don't know what was going on in chris not's personal life at the time of shooting but he did not have his shit together this is coming from a man who regularly revels in the absurdity

and obnoxiousness of his own dress. I mean, you wore a hat made of towel material in a color I can only describe as electric puke for ages. You loved that hat. I still wear it. Yeah, look, I mean... And you're giving shit to Chris Noth.

Time may not be kind to the hat. And I'm fully aware of that. And I wear it secure in the knowledge. Yeah, yeah. No one is kind to the hat. However, I persist. I feel like... I mean, maybe that was the style that big was going for on that day

but it seems unlikely to me it makes me uneasy to think of this man who's holding this he holds he wears suits every day he must have a wardrobe full of suits like it's just there are so many things about it that ring uh it it it so it it bothered me so much the other thing i thought about with big is like this is a guy with no mates you don't see a suit the only person who's introduced as being close to big's friend is um the the arsehole at the rehearsal dinner who sort of keeps interjecting and sort of throwing shade on the fact that Big's been married before. He doesn't have any friends. I mean, for me, the big in big stands for big suit and big red flag.

And I'm proven right and will be time and again. That's his boss, right? That guy is talking shit about him. I think he's just some asshole who Big's still friends with because he can't shake him off i think no i think he's a partner at the firm i think that's a higher up for big and that's the thing this is someone who he brought to the rehearsal dinner like he clearly doesn't have any mates because he's packing it out with colleagues it is kind of sad but i think that's a thing that can happen um to older men they they lose their friends and stuff but biggs uh as you say he's a real sad sack in this film he spoiler alert and there's going to be a bit of that they're going to get married they kind of have this um trip over a

proposal style situation the movie kind of opens with them discovering this incredible penthouse apartment which i can only imagine the gall with which an audience was willing to accept this in the midst of a financial crisis orchestrated by new york real estate realtors selling oversized uh you know bundling up mortgages and selling them for more than they were worth this must have left a very metallic taste in the audience's mouth. Absolutely. That's the sort of thing I almost want to trace back to the series, because I feel like the characters probably became successful

over the course of the HBO show, which sort of doesn't necessarily earn them the right, but explains away some of the tone-deaf extravagance. I think you're right. I guess, you know, and people want to see these characters who they love so dearly living their best lives on screen but i mean i couldn't agree more uh and i i mean there's i don't i mean maybe maybe carrie bradshaw's sense of humor isn't for me but like when you know when they go and they see the wardrobe and they're saying, how can anyone get a divorce in a place like this, you know,

when they're being shown around? Yeah. And then Carrie opens the wardrobe and she says, well, now it's a small little closet. And she says, well, now I understand the divorce. Oh, because it's too small. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The walk-in closet is too small in its original state.

That's right. I mean, that line felt laboured to... I don't know, it's petty. I mean, this is the sort of complaint I should be reserving for ways down the track. But, yeah, look... Well, I mean, you sound like you've got stuff to say about Big. What did you make of him in this film?

Well, Big... We'll get back to Big in a second, but you've kind of... You dragged me into a thing which kept coming back to big in a second but you've kind of you dragged me into a thing which kept coming back to me through this film and call me a fucking left-eye pinky communist if you must podcast listener but holy shit every problem in this film is attempted to be solved with buying some stuff i mean doesn't matter what's going on money is the solution and again like the timing of this film just couldn't have been more awkward I imagine when it got released people were losing their

bloody 401ks you know retirement funds were being pissed away because of the irresponsible actions of people like big and we're supposed to enjoy these women who on a whim are off on shopping trips buying up Versace and Gucci goods my word anyway as you say they probably earned it through the course of the series and the fans that they had um uh you know pulled through over the years on the hbo show which you know the credit where it's drew due was groundbreaking big in this movie um sort of starts as a highfalutin banker type who is kind of a suave smooth-talking guy. Finally, he and Carrie are together.

I will not give you suave on account of the suits. They try to sort of present him as suave, I think. Well, I'll tell you who didn't try to present him as suave. Who? The wardrobe department. That suit is a goddamn war crime. So then he kind of transitions from that to emotionally defunct man-child when he can't quite navigate the proper pathways of getting this wedding together with Carrie

after they agree to get married because Carrie's insecure about him owning the entire apartment. So they decide a wedding marriage what better reason for marriage could there be than shared real estate legalese and so they they pursue their avenue um and then he freaks out because this is his third marriage and leaves her at the altar and then for the about half of the movie he's just kind of this sad ghost uh lingering in corners trying to chase her down to apologize and uh and and win her back uh he he is a bit of a sad ghost but i mean you are right because as the movie was you you know, ripping along towards this wedding, I was thinking, I mean, I was like, God, everything's happening so quickly here. How's this going to last two and a half hours?

Because within the first hour, there's already so much going on. You know, you've got the proposal, the planning, and then the absence of the wedding. You've got Miranda andve's relationship being torn asunder by his infidelity because she's too busy at work to satisfy what he needs sexually you've got samantha perving i mean what she's doing seems incredibly illegal literally just like by day and night watching her neighbor dante fuck up uh a souffle i was going to say storm but i wanted to say souffle and then you've got charlotte who's not really given a storyline

till later in the film but it's like it feels like it it picks up where the show leaves off again having not really seen it but like it feels like it's true to the show it feels like there's somewhat even distribution amongst the characters and it's, things are really humming along and I'm like, Oh wow. And then, I mean the second act,

you do get stuck a bit just in the, you know, the, and I guess that's part of the story, but Carrie's obviously heartbroken wandering around New York city, um, in Mexico first, but like he,

big is reduced to a ghost, would you disagree that i mean that i think that's part of what's got me excited is it's like they've written storylines for the other characters sex in the city 2 carrie's storyline didn't warrant a film and they didn't attend to anyone else's wants or needs so it was just this two and a half hour fucking dehydration marathon in the desert you're right man you're so right i you're you're so right and i'm so worried about me and both of us because i didn't enjoy it on the first watch and that was my one shot i'm fucking blowing it i am mr big at the altar you know everything was laid out for me we had a wonderful wedding with great people invited all our favorites along and i couldn't even fucking man up and enjoy that

what hope is there for the rest of this relationship oh look man i you know you know how things are uh it's this is i mean this is like any relationship there's ups and downs there's compromise uh you know not every day is perfect i feel like the an apt metaphor is actually drawn from the film when uh samantha is reckoning with the fact that she she's not happy in a relationship and she has to break up with smith jared and uh she says oh they ask her are you are you happy and uh she says she hasn't been happy for five years and then you know she's sort of uh pontificating that maybe that's what relationships are is that

you don't get to be happy and i ask charlotte and she says i'm happy every day not all day every day but every day uh and i feel like charlotte and let me tell you, you horny little scamp, you sound like you're being a real Samantha. Who are you talking to? Who, me? Yeah. You're not happy in this bed that we've literally just made for us to climb into. Yeah, you're right. Here I am buying tickets to film

festival movies, going around cheating on this one true franchise that I'm tethered to for a long time i like to dabble what can i say i enjoy cinema um but it just makes me worried for the for the rest of the trajectory but you know what upon reflection um maybe the context of watching this in the middle of the night wasn't the smartest viewing choice on my behalf and maybe i've unfairly colored the film based on that but whatever's happened i didn't have a stupendous time and it is still two and a half hours and you got to admit that's a whole

lot of the girls oh man two and a half hours is it's it's long uh and it's like they tried in the second movie to best it just just for the sake of it because it's only i think a few minutes longer than this one it's like oh you thought the last one was long huh huh watch this no plot longer uh i i'm inclined to agree i don't think this will ever feel as long as that movie because of the action because there's there's storylines to follow and people to root for uh but i mean i i yeah certainly as i've said before that reunion between carrie and big in the in the refurbished wardrobe at the penthouse apartment they've bought and sold over the course of the movie um yep that is some uh yeah that that that did put the fear of God in me.

What did? What aspect of that put the fear of God in you? Just like, I know that diehard fans of the show are frustrated that they wind up together. And that's how I felt as a non-diehard fan of the show at the end of this movie. It didn't, because Big, there's no as much as carrie's not a great character in this film like i don't i don't like her she deserves better than big so now i've got the two leading stars of this film neither of whom i'm rooting for and i'm supposed to be rooting for their relationship together and i'm not and then they get together

at the end it's like oh fuck but like i mean chase down miranda bloody being a peeping tom for long can we spin a movie out of that can we just follow for two and a half hours the adventures of samantha who finally has a sort of another sexual awakening at age 50 and realizes that what she really loves what she undeniably can't get enough of, is not just herself having sex, but it is her secretly watching others have sex. And her pursuits through this illegal trajectory of trying to chase down open windows and parted curtains

to see coitus in the act, strangers going at her animalistically to satiate her own needs, awakened newly in this film yeah i i agree also and i mean even in in simpler terms even the the uh split and reunion of miranda and steve i i felt so much more deeply i was much more invested in you know like the the it's the fucking big and carry all the shit that comes up between them it's so heady it's like it's all just miscommunicate it's two

people who aren't making sure they're on the same page every step of the way he jilts her because she doesn't pick up her phone before the wedding if you're that worried bring one of her fucking mates dickhead you know miranda and ste like they've been best friends forever. Yeah. Miranda and Steve, it's like the reason their relationship comes apart is born of something that you can kind of sink your teeth into. It's like people trying to balance responsibilities in life. And you like both of them, and you know they're a good match, and you want them to get back together. I got goosebumps when they reunited on Brooklyn Bridge.

I took a photo of them. I'll send it to you. Send it to all of us, Guy. Yeah, well. Well, let's make that the image for the episode. So this is the picture that you can see as the thumbnail. That is a moment that captured Guy's heart. I felt that.

Steve's so lovely I'm sorry that he cheated on I was going to call her Amanda well I tell you it's been a while since Sex and the City 2 I tell you you might be sorry but no one is as sorry by that misstep in the relationship as the residents of New York City

I put it to you Timothy Andrew Batt as the residents of new york city i put it to you timothy andrew bat that the beginning of brady's turn to the rats and thirst for supremacy is on account of the tumult of living through a trial separation between his two parents as a young boy you couldn't be more right there is an undeniable connection between the tension which brady feels and he even you can see him start to try to grab the reins of power at such a young age on the eve of new year's a time known for smooching he tries to get his parents to kiss because he's been taught the rules of new year's you say happy new year very loudly when the ball drops and then you got to kiss someone and so as miranda's um refreshing his memory on these steps this protocol to usher in the new

harvest he says happy new year and she says great job and then and then they all they do it together because they're doing the crossover bit where steve's getting wardship over um the young king and he says now you guys kiss he you can see him even at such a young age he must be no older than three in this movie try to try to exert power and put the pieces together and what have we got now we're living in a world where cynthia nixon's you know she's gotten thirsty for it she's seen what brady's done with the place she was married uh on screen to the mayor of new york and now she's she's wanting to grab the reins for real what a what a powerful trio well i mean what a family think about you know the the hunger for power and you know the effective means of grabbing it that these people have i i agree i think think Brady's seen something broken that he wants to put back together.

He feels like it's beyond his grasp or control. And so he swears to himself, come hell or high water, he's going to claw his way to the top and rebuild the relationship that fell apart. Not because of him. I mean, no one would want to put that on a child, but certainly something that he is to to a percentage point, a part of. He just wants to start flexing those powerful muscles of his, and he doesn't quite know how to do it yet.

Human manipulation skills, not great. But I tell you what, getting in charge of the rats, very, very exceptionally gifted at that. Before we sort of round off guy we haven't spoken at all about carrie's assistant louise or saint louise from saint louis as she's cheerfully referred to in the film great character kind of loved her cool cool presence she had this interesting sort of acting style of um quite aloof i would describe her as very very warm energy though that sort of uh that casual approach really she really lights

up the screen but didn't like throw she didn't shove it down your throat she was like i i'm a charming character and you will come to me. And I did really like her. I was very disappointed to see her go, even though I knew that she wasn't in the second movie. I was like, ah, dang it. Of course.

Yeah. She's in a lot of the movie though. And I think that the movie is all the better for it. She looks up with her back with her boyfriend, which didn't seem like a great bit of writing to me because it was sort of all the men in this movie are not super perfect um but we only get referred to what's his name phil or bit will his name's will um he tells you that he loves her but uh she's not the one but then by the end of the film they get back together and it just feels like she should have traded up, you know, gotten some self-worth.

Yeah, look, I don't know about that. I think it's played by Jennifer Hudson, who I can't remember. I think she was a singer. I can't remember if she was an actor or a singer first, but I feel like this role was part of her ascendancy in Hollywood. I mean, it seems absurd to call it Hollywood. Jennifer Hudson. Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure it is.

Jesus Christ, I don't know anything about anything. I did not know that. Did you not? There was a certain part of her story. I mean, I also, obviously, we both knew she wasn't going to be in the second film, so in some way she was to be written out. There was an element of the sort of the magical,

you know, like she's essentially brought in to fix up carrie bradshaw's life uh and then once once she's rebuilt her she you know is magic she magically disappears again um not to say i didn't enjoy her while it was happening but uh it did feel a little tropey to me what i was just checking it was jennifer hudson what felt tropey to me. I was just checking it was Jennifer Hudson. What felt tropey, sorry? Is it Jennifer Hudson? I just tuned out while I was Googling. Yeah, it is, yeah.

Just like she's essentially brought into the film to rebuild Carrie Bradshaw, and then as soon as it works, you know, a fairy godmother type character, as soon as it works done, she goes, oh, and I'm back to St. Louis. And you're like, okay. Christ, you're right.

I hadn't framed it quite so perfectly, but you're absolutely right. A little fairy godmother that comes in, fixes and then fucks off. She should have stayed in New York. She should have taken over Carrie Bradshaw's empire. Carrie's on the wane. Yeah, I mean, and we soon find that out look I I understand

you've got an appointment to get to we've been talking about this for a while I mean there's still I still have uh reams of notes over here so excited am I by the prospect of this film uh but before we go let's get another watch and like ASAP let Let's get in the pool. Couldn't agree more. I'd like to say at the end of the movie, they wrap it up as is they want with a beautiful bit of Carrie Bradshaw voiceover

where she sort of reflects upon the lessons learned and the experiences shared by her and her friends. The closing voiceover, it goes along the lines of and there in the same city where they met as girls four new york women were finally and all i could think in my head just on a loop the words in my head were going over and over

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