The Yard - Ep. 191 - We Ranked Every Type of Gamer

Episode Date: March 19, 2025

This week, the boys make a tier list! The boys separate different gamers you can find into different tiers! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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He's a data scientist. Mm-hmm. And that's how we knew that it would be fine press one if you think Nick looks wet and Like I think I was looking at the camera the two-shot. Oh that boy looks wet I think I look you think you think I look wet I think you look like you look like you've been doused. And don't ask the fans if they think he looks. I know they'll get weird about it, and I'm not looking forward to that. You're dangling the hook for the weirdos. And then when one of them bites, you get mad. It's like going fishing.

It's like chumming the waters and getting mad at the sharks. You're acting like it's in this inherent like Gunnar ideology to have to chase the blood. You could just be normal. Sharks don't have a choice. They have brains the size of my fucking penis which is small. Gooners are like sharks, they have a sixth sense and once it hits the nose, you can't stop it.

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I'm sure. I'm sure of it. That was Jackie Chan's hand. No! The legend! The whole Jackie Chan wax figurine that Ludwig had was thrown away. Except we kept the hand. They sawed it off. Yeah, dude It feels crazy. It's really gross. It's like

Rubbery, it's really good. It wouldn't feel awesome around your penis. That's what you grow if you drink Red Bull. Yeah, it's true You can't say anything. Also, that is a hat only Ludwig is allowed to wear which is really funny It's a hat I think only Ludwig would be willing to wear Hey, hey, no don't hey, he's the athlete you can't put it on. You're willing to wear. Hey, hey, no, don't. Hey, he's the athlete. You can't put it on an athlete. Hey, you're not an athlete. Come on.

Hey, don't do it. You do it. We do. OK, you can do it, but we instantly have to blur it. We will be really mad. We'll just instantly blur. It'll look really funny. Do it.

Do it. Do it. OK. Yeah, Archie, make sure there is no evidence of this. Yeah, OK. Well, look, y'all. Hey, hey, I know you saw that thumbnail. I know what you're thinking. They're dipping back into the well.

They're dipping back into the well. If Hivemind gets to do one every fucking, every single other week, and those guys are cool, I don't think it's crazy for us to go back to the world. Ranking every music note. Honestly, A is pretty lit. I'm a, I'm a. But F? F, F is low key fire. But E.

F's underrated. F's underrated. I think put F in the S tier and put A in the B tier. E is overrated because it's a standard tuning. See? This is like, this is it. This is what you want. It's just slop.

It's slop. You, the slop, the real slop man is gone. Here's your real slop. Yeah. Synthetic and grey. When we talked about this idea, I immediately thought like, oh, it's funny we do this when Ludwig leaves. And my immediate justification for that is like, he does tier lists all the time for his job.

Nice for him to not have to do it. Yeah. We're saving him. Then I looked at the other episode we did, Every Guy. That's exactly what I said. No way. When the video starts. And I was like, time's a flat circle.

It's a flat circle. And here, and I'm back, and I'm back, and then we're back, and then we're back. I like being back because we can, we always cut crazy loose when he's gone. He regulates us. Oh, dude, he holds us down, he fucking spits in our mouths. Regulator! It's gone. He regulates us. Oh, dude, he holds us down. He fucking spits in our mouths.

Regulator. It's gross. He's like the government. Yeah, he's like the government and now we're finally free and we could date anyone we want at any age we want. Can I just say that he sent both of you guys a message asking for a playlist for his trip? This one hurt Nick.

We don't need to talk about it. This hurt him. And he't need to talk about it. This hurt him. And he didn't message me? Yeah. Guys, clearly also, I'll read it out, clearly a copy pasted message. He said, sent it to me, yo, would you perhaps be willing? He would never talk to you like that. He would never talk to you ever.

Ever. No, no, no. He has never, perhaps? Would you perhaps be willing to make me a tilde two hour music playlist to listen to on my motorcycle trip? Smiley face. It can be on Spotify and you just link it like I don't fucking know. I'm biking for like 60 hours, so I'm trying to get a few people

to make me playlists I listen to each day. Another line break literally can be whatever songs you want on it. Pepe dance. What is it like? Squeaks getting messages like those all the time. It must be nice. Must be nice that he feels the need to be sweet. Let me clarify.

You guys did receive this message. That must be the longest message I've ever received from him. Nick. Oh God, dude. He I don't think he sent me more than two lines in a year. It's actually crazy. Nice. Even though I know it's pasted, it still felt special. And that's why we're different, because it didn't feel special for me.

But at least Aiden, we got it. I like I like how you got it. And you're like, it didn't feel special. It's like and Nick didn't get it, but it would have felt special. Would you have felt special if you were that copy pasted bullshit? Yes. Yeah. Wow. Yes. I think if he was like, hey, do you want to make a playlist for me?

I'd be like, he likes my music. I love he did like that, but I didn't like that it was copy pasted. It's copy paste. When you copy paste messages to people, I always at least put something in there. Yeah. Put a little something. Bald, lol. I used to do this with Mango when I needed to paste messages to like all the invites

to summit or all the people in SoCal Star League. I'd paste it to everybody. And then for Mango, because he made fun of how formal my message was once, I was hand-typed Mango's message. How would it go? Like, I'd say, hey there, hey there, Kadorin. I'll have you know the tournament will be in February or October. And then Mango would be like, yo, tournament, Feb 15th to 29th.

And then not spelled out you there. Dude, you're code switching for mango. That's so sick. Let it not send me a message for a play. I DM him. I said, bro, you DM to everyone but me for a playlist. And he said, well, let me get a playlist. I said, I'm just so hurt. Like, imagine I wanted some recommendations

for New Hampshire restaurants and I just checked Yelp, which is like asking Aiden for music. Oh, dude. And then he said, honestly, I was planning on asking you, but I just didn't need it for the front part of the playlist. A lot of people think that the back part is the most important as well. And that's where your music would shine.

And I said, you are too media trained. You are massaging me into loving you. And then he said, also Alex's playlist was 20 hours long. And I said, you asked Alex? Yeah, that's rough. He's blowing it. He just met him. He went the wrong fork in the road there.

And then he said, also bro, you should hear what Shroud listens to. He's a school shooter. He actually said this. And then I said, you asked hear what Shroud listens to. He's a school shooter. He actually said this. And then I said, you asked Alex and Shroud and not me. That's tough. And then I said, I am not kidding. When you come home, I will be buried under your yard seat.

And he said, you're making this sound bad. And I said, for whatever wifi you are on in Japan, and then in all caps, ingredients for a bomb, how to make a bomb And then he started sending me a bunch of apologies He said I don't deserve it But I'd love it to our playlist if you find it in your big freaking heart He said friggin is I can say and then I'll send Archie. I'll send you the face

He sent me send me a picture of his face. I guess I'm sorry. So I did make him the playlist And the playlist is entitled, it's the picture he sent me. And it says, I listen to this playlist because I am a pedophile. Seriously, not a joke. Also, I have a bomb in this airport. And it's two hours of honestly pretty good music. Yeah.

I will say when I made mine for him, I like slotted it in. I was like, OK, I got to work on this thing. We're going to sing and then like do a lot of playlists. And I really did think about it. Well, I did. I was like, what would he want to listen to? We truly covered all the angles here because I received the message, thought it was special and didn't make the playlists.

That's insane. That's the most insane because I came into the office and I announced to the guys, I'm like, did you guys do Jubin's playlist? And Aiden turns, he's like, no. And then Nick is like, what playlist? I'm like, what do you mean? I did say it like that. You did. You said no. You did. And all of like, I'm like, what loving playlist? And they're all like, oh, that mean they look at each other. We're like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah, me and Aiden look at each other and we're like, uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. But we reverse engineered it. If you're at the top of his DM stack, because the day before I sent Ludwig a Mark Wahlberg video, and I'm obviously up there. So you're going to stay at the top of his DM stack.

I had him message him in a few days. Yeah, yeah. And you're falling behind. He's a popular guy. I'm probably low on... Dude, you're... I'm probably low on the stack. To be fair to Ludwig's Discord, if you haven't messaged him in two days, you might be 60 deep in the stack.

It's, look, there's a lot of people that he's sending bullshit copy paste to. Anyway, he's gone. He's just a smoldering wreck somewhere in Japan. And because he's gone today, the yard boys will play. We will play now! We're gonna play with you. We'll play with it!

We're gonna play with it, with you, Aiden. Do you think that we'll develop cataracts from looking at screens for so long? Oh my God, dude. Shut up. You like my eyes are getting he might be gone, but I will fucking kill you. I will fucking kill you if I have to do it. Maybe we should just do the segment was the cookie episode without him to the

cookies primo one or almost beat the shit out of Aiden. Yeah, that was without him. We got some bangers. Yeah. Oh, dude, you think there'd be a bag of cookies without him in the room? Full? Oh, no. Papa's taxing those immediately. I would have broken your arm like a cop.

Yeah. It would have been fucked up. You'd kill me like a dog. Yeah, I would shout you like a dog immediately. Anyway, guys, it's a Tier List episode. It's one that I think we would... We picked it because we have a lot to say. I feel specially, I feel uniquely suited to be the arbiter of all things gamer.

I've been a gamer for a long damn time. There's better people for gaming, but gamers, categorically who they are, how they operate, and why I dislike them or like them, I feel uniquely suited to answer here. And so the every type of gamer ever tier list is brought to you. And just like last time, we have some good categories for you guys. In the top tier, we have the gaming legend. Next we have a net positive. This is replacing our category kind of based.

After that we have harmless. Harmless is so high up. That means that the bar is pretty low Yeah to be harmless right I think I think there's yeah I think I think it's pretty easy to be a harmless gamer, and that's a good thing So what that means is that to become less than harmless and to go to our next header neck neck net negative Negative you'll also notice there are more negative categories than positive ones. That is because gaming creates more negative people than positive people. It's 100% true.

And we need more categories to separate those out. So after the net negatives on society, we have the whack playlist. It's back. Everyone liked that one. And then from there, it's jail. And from there, it's death penalty. Because, you know, not everyone who goes to jail is killed. Where will Courage JD end up this time? Well, do we wait do we all have a veto? Same rules last time

No veto we all get our one time Utilize your one time to force someone into a category now and look force them into a room and make it stink Courage JD, maybe yeah Trouble enough from the last fucking episode For some in a room and make it sting courage JD maybe Trouble enough from the last fucking episode Who's next? Courage don't you don't go to a room? Fight with a guy who goes on main and he has a moral superior Gunners upset yeah, we are in this minute

So zip I think what I want you to do here is just drag a random one up Don't go in order just drag a random one up We'll read it and then we'll start from there and this is a great one to start with. Oh, no always shit always mad this is the gamer that has that never improves is hard stuck in every title and And is equally mad about it as someone who? actually practices. Do you can you guys can't think of anyone? Can't think of anyone. I can't. I can't. I can't be that.

I don't know. This is one of the tough ones because like fun, because like we have no points of reference. Yeah. Guy that doesn't really touch our lives. I'm really looking through my friend group. I'm thinking hmm Who which one of them would it be would it be no not Mike Mike doesn't like skates good again So yeah, you don't have to keep naming our friends and idea it, but I do think that this type of person uh-huh

Deserves a break every once in a while oh a break every once in a while. Oh, a break! Because they seem to be always shit. And always mad. Yeah, that's true. There is no breaks on our end. There's no breaks for the other side. And yours because you presumably are dealing with these people too. When you said our end, you meant the three of us.

I meant the three of us, yeah. And also Kirby Ludwig in the chair. Well, I'm going to have a little bit of a hot take here. I think they're a net positive. And the reason why I think that is because someone's gotta be on the opposite end of the kill feed. You know what I mean? Like when I get the 4k, it's the guy who's always shit and always mad.

Yes. You know? Yeah, I think when you do frag this guy and he does get mad, that's good for the game. Oh, our whole Discord is laughing and the clip is funnier. And I think it's secretly because if you can avoid this guy in your circle, I think he's better in your game. If he wasn't your circle, he'd probably be like have like he probably really funny or like some sort of like some quality

that makes up for it. Like not just some but many and probably right. Some quality that makes up for it. Like not just some, but many. And probably, right. You would think and hope. I feel like this guy's kind of short on qualities usually. No, he's tall. He's tall. Well, compared to maybe like a boy, like a child, he's tall. Yeah, he's probably really tall.

Your your take is what popped into my head at first, because I was like, well, it sucks to have this guy on my team. But then I thought, it's great to be on the other team. But it's a bit of a confirmation bias, I would say, because I don't think you need to be fragging against this guy. It's like you also destroy the quiet guy who's not that good and just plays for fun, too. And I think this guy is a net negative,

because there are people who are equally bad, but not a shitty person. We can agree that he's not harmless though. He's a net negative. He's either net positive or net negative. He's a net negative on the community. He's the worst type of teammate to get. And you do not get, I would say, very much out of different, out of being this person's opponent. What? Yeah, no, I think you actually do get more out of this person being the opponent, because what are the greatest moments in gaming, bro? It's fucking Bobby Big Balls, who is not shit, but when he was mad,

you're 30. Shit like that is like it's heart and soul. If you're mad at the fucking game, that means you really at least have bring a human energy to something. I don't think why don't we break through the froth wall here? We're talking about you. What? Category, it strikes a lot of resemblance.

I am an important question. I am second king with two characters. I have a very important question because I think there's there's kind of two versions of this guy because to Slimes credit When he's playing games with with random people right the maybe he is the always shit always mad Podcasting white boy I think you don't you don't let it go crazy at like your your teammates actually in the game with you.

And that's what makes the difference to me, right? Because you're right. I don't like I think as an entertainment product, I love this guy. I actually think these guys are not often enters. I think that they have I think that they talk about video games the same way a grinder does. They just don't know how to commit those things the same way. Like, I'm literally not talking about you, but I do know people who are like this, who like,

they're always like, yeah, let's fucking six-stack, let's watch the VOD. And then they do all that and they just never get better and they're so mad. And they're not necessarily angry or flaming their teammates. They're just mad. They're just pissed off Yeah, this could be like this actually changes a lot this changes a lot, and I think I'm in Nick's camp I think this person is actually a net positive. I think they're a net positive I would almost call them a gaming legend, but I feel like that's too big of a debate So we would not call them a gaming legend And that's fine. It's fine and

What an awful awful one to start off with. The goat evil. All right, the goat evil. So I put this one in and the reason why it's in parentheses evil is this is Leffen. I was gonna say Leffen. The person who is the goat, but so annoying about it. Like, oh my God, shut up. We're like goaded. Like everything touch, you're so good at.

And that is pretty beast. But we will later get to another type of silent goat that is a different type of goat. So what's another what's it like? What's another example? Not just left in. I'm trying to think of like other ones that in other games, an evil goat. I think you could argue like maybe scumpy Chris G

because he's like he was like a notorious shit talker and like always starting ship it was like a big undisputed go to call duty these dude these guys are good for the game or maybe like Hellmuth oh the go there in that positive this friend is this frame. I actually think they're gaming legends. I mean, OK, so gaming legend is it's more of a term of endearment, a spiritual idea. People that end up in this category in the future of this tier list

may not be actual gaming legends, but I do think that if you're a goat and you're evil, that is it just automatically slots you into a pantheon. If we don't have a Helmuth, it's not that fun watching. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we did. Oh, you hate Hellmuth and you think he's terrible and you think he's an awful person, dude. But you just watched the two and a half hour. You just watched the whole compilation of Negron who pissing him off over and over again.

On your bike and shit. That's a different guy. Oh, my God. And he's and he's freaking out. He's like, he called me with 10 for honey. It's like, yes, we need these guys. They're they're gaming legends. They're essentially playing so bad today. It's the lips, dude.

Yeah, I think an easy gaming legend. Unanimous. We need them for the sport. We need them for the the the spectatorship. I need them for the sport, we need them for the spectatorship of it. You need them for the community of gaming. It is an unfortunate byproduct of like, beef in gaming will always have inherently more interest, because we're just humans that way. And when we get to the other variant of Goat, I could talk more about... You can pull it up, if we've placed it, you can just pull it up while we're talking.

Okay, so the other one... Okay, this is one of yours. Yeah, guy who's never played Elden Ring. So I'd like to add before you talk about it, neither me and Aiden have played Elden Ring. Yeah. Zipper has not played Elden Ring. What?!

This is all true information. Now continue. Now I feel... I feel friggin' stupid, I guess. I guess I'm a fucking chump. There's an important question that goes with this. Do you mean gamers that haven't played Elden Ring or is there a guy, a character that has not played Elden Ring

that you are specifically talking about? No, that was the first one. Yeah, you're all just guys who hasn't played Elden Ring. What is someone not having played? So I feel like when someone hasn't played Elden Ring, to you, it's like Aiden saying he doesn't know what the TV show house is. Like it's some sort of cultural touchstone that they're missing that you think reflects on their value as a human being or as a gamer.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Explain it to me. What is your value? I mean, it is. It just means that you have either intentionally or unintentionally opted out of a piece of important media. And you can assign that, because you guys don't play all the ring, and because of it, I don't respect you, right? So it's like, I obviously don't. And if you did play it,

then we could enjoy that beauty together. You could be like, oh, I did that one boss, and I'd be like, that's a cool boss, huh? And you'd be like, yeah. And that's like the height of human emotion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's and you're lacking that right. And that's disgusting. Do you think that there's things other ways around?

Like, do you think there's things that you haven't done that make you less valuable to us because they're equally as important in our eyes? I've done everything you guys have done ever. So it doesn't this is like a what was awesome hypotheticals. That doesn't make sense. OK, I'm going to give you a treat. I'm going to give you a treat. You ready for your treat?

Put your hand out. I'm going to give it to you. The treat is you don't need your one time, but you get to choose what category this goes in because I don't know how to I don't know. I don't think I'm allowed to do this. Feel about Elden Ring then. I think it's one of those things... It's Game of Thrones for video games.

It's like you have to go a period of time, usually like a year or two, where everyone talks about it. And it's like everyone's like, dude, you gotta play it. It'll change your life. It's the best. And it's like, why you haven't seen Game of Thrones? It's all the same behavior.

And then a few years goes by and they make a new game. And we all, you know, it goes down as a legendary. You ever play it? Maybe I don't play a lot of games like the layers of friction to consume this piece of media. Fuck, are you talking about layers of friction? You piece of shit. You play slippy.

You play slippy on fucking melee. That's not what I'm talking about. Imagine imagine if you told like like somebody, like a random person you walked into in public, like you haven't hit Grandmaster and Slippy yet. It's not one to one. But all I'm saying is like this, the media is I have to sit down and play for a hundred years. How about this? If you don't play, if you haven't played Elden Ring, you're just a droid Your guys are you guys are droids is it was a fucking droid so we're harmless and that's that's my slime

Yeah, do you think flat? Do you think that? Who is a question? There's a good question Do you think that of every person who's played Elden Ring you would get along with most of them or or the lesser of that group? definitely some vitriolic racists that I probably wouldn't get along with. Aswin Golds played Elden Ring. Yeah. So it's tough, right? Because I shifted me back over

because I think that guy's awesome. It's basically it's like, all right, if you're a fucking barista at Starbucks and you and I ask you, have you played Elden Ring? He's like, what's that? You're you're a droid. I think the rats under his bed have played Elden Ring. I think these guys that have never played Elden Ring should go to jail. What? Oh, I'm sorry.

Do I not get my treat? It is your treat. I got my yummy treat. I feel like if you if you haven't played Elden Ring, you are harmless. Harmless. Come, you know, you can enjoy your treat. Enjoy your treat. It is your treat. It is your treat. You're right.

I also don't want this to be like because it's such a Reddit opinion. Now I'm like trying to be ultra contrarian to like find where I can be cool because that's like a Reddit thing to say like, oh, yeah, I'm like all the way you might as well go to jail And I don't be that guy either so I'm fucking trapped because I'm a hater I'm trapped in a prison yes And I'm fine with that. So that's fine. Um rhythm game the rhythm gamer. Oh Is my thing rhythm gamer there's there's kind of there's kind of two types there's like the lazy rhythm gamer? Ooh. Because when I think rhythm gamer, there's kind of two types. There's like the lazy rhythm gamer. It's like you play on these guys or you do the keyboard or you know,

or you're the dance dance revolution, like those types of rhythm gamers. There's also like osu! Osu! is extreme, bro. That's what I was thinking of. For the sake of this, I have put osu! players in their own category. Oh really? Interesting. Because I do think it's a type of person. Smart.

So this is, we're gonna exclude osu! players even though it's a rhythm game. Yeah, okay. Honestly, in my opinion, harmless. They're over in their corner, they fuck with each other, every once in a while you see a cool clip from their community. I've never been pissed off by a rhythm game. Actually I have. I did watch Tafo do DER once,

and I thought this would be a pretty, it would be awesome use for like a single grenade. So right, there's something that gets evoked. Vicky, Vicky, I'm sorry. Also, there's nothing more fun, I think, than doing a rhythm game that you're shit at with another person that is shit. And it's just like, it's... Which just doesn't make you... Maybe that doesn't apply to the tier list itself.

Yeah, the gamer is outside of it. I feel pretty confident that they're harmless because they're just over there. And it's like, cool, Yeah, I respect what you guys do But also when I see like rhythm games, I always feel like okay guitar here is a good example Every time I see a guitar hero clip. I'm like, I feel like a lot of gamers could do this with time You think so? I think you can put the hours in and like for the base game Like you could you can expert all the songs and you can FC the songs. I should think anyone with time can just kind of do it. Not like the custom crazy tracks.

Maybe that's part of the harmless joy. Yeah, I think it's harmless. Even though they're hard. I think that's fair. It can be hard. I think I'm happy with that. If you're at round one and you're slaying. My experience with rhythm gamers has also been suspiciously positive. And I feel like when I think about the things

that I associate with rhythm gaming, I feel like I'm thinking about the in-person rhythm gamers I see at arcades. And they play, maybe they're the active guys who play DDR, like you said. Maybe they're the less active people that do maybe one of the button ones. And I'm balancing.

But I feel like there's a dark corridor in the back Yeah, of the online rhythm gaming that I don't know very much about and you're skeptical of that and oh, yeah They're fucking I'm gonna put a little Harmless stamp on this but I'm wary of the dark door in the back. We're keeping eyes on you fucking freaks FGC globetrotter FGC globetrotter, this is one of slimes. Yeah, this is basically the person, if I'm correct. This is the person that just plays like every FGC titles. Yeah, it's interesting.

I think it's someone who will just put enough hours into every fighting game to get like somewhat decent or like at least understand and control the character. Now, I brought this up and I was like, should we put this in before we did this? And Aiden had this immediate reaction, which is why I wanted to put it in. Cause he doesn't like them.

And I don't know how I feel. At a personal level, I'm sure I like them fine. But in, okay, I've thought, I've actually thought about this guy. Guy who has in his profile on Twitter, it's like Guilty Gear, Tekken, Street Fighter. Melty Blood, fucking Divekick. Plays everything.

Grow up! Pick one! You know what my problem is with the FGC Globetrotter is I feel like they play so many titles because they think that's their opportunity for glory. Yes! They're like, oh, this is the title that I'll be top 100 in.

Surely it's this one. Yes! This is why. This is- Put your nose to the top 100 in. Surely it's this one. Yes. This is why. This is- Put your nose to the grindstone. This is exactly it, Nick. This is the problem. It's because they moved from FGC title to FGC title

because they are pretty good at fighting games, Anthony. They are pretty good. And then they pick, and then the new one comes out a year later and they were pretty good at the old one, but they never had to push very far. They never had to leave their comfort zone. And then the new one comes out and year later and they were pretty good at the old one, but they never had to push very far. They never had to leave their comfort zone. And then the new one comes out and they're better at fighting games

than all the new people that are latching on to the new game. So they get to be pretty good again. And they get to reset that little cycle over and over and over again. And you never have to push yourself. They're always a natural. They're truly good at one of the games. They're playing games that have just come out, so they're always a natural. And I don't know, listener,

you might be thinking video games are for fun. What's wrong with people playing games for fun? Not fighting games. Fighting games are not for fun. No, fighting games are not about having fun. I'm sorry, they're just not. They're not. They're about hard fucking work.

You need to pick a game and learn. Stay in your lane. It's like getting excited for chess two and chess three and chess four because you could never be good at chess. You'd be that, you were pretty good at chess one, but you never got that good. And you jumped to chess two

because you could be kind of good at it at the beginning. Over and you repeat the cycle over and over and over. Pick one and lock in. Despite how critical we're being, I do think that they're a net positive because I think they... They're the only thing keeping Japanese fighting game companies alive. I do think I do think that maybe not particularly Japanese fighting games, but I do think that fighting game community in general is has been struggling

for basically almost its entire life span. They're always I think that the player who's involved in multiple games, the only reason we even really know about them is because they have a following higher life span. Yeah, they're always the broke. The player who's involved in multiple games, the only reason we even really know about them is because they have a following of some level usually. And I think that helps new games they play. And I care about, when a fighting game gets really big, I could never play it and I do care.

I'm like, oh, that's cool. Okay. A fighting game got big. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause I like that. Yeah, this feels good. I think Nick's probably right. I think I have to look at the grand scope outside of my own judgment

and say that they are a net positive. And I've met a lot of people who are very into fighting games. The fighting game community changed my life. But I think I've always had this problem with gamers in other genres too. This happens in any game that has subsequent releases in the same series. It happens with Smash. It happens with competitive Mario Kart Kart it happens with all any franchise long title where I always think it is lame when people quit a game to

Play the new one because they just couldn't get good at the old one I think that is I think that's lame And I think learning how to stick it out and learn something and get good at that, provided you actually enjoy it. If you hate if you fundamentally hate the game, I totally understand why you want to play a new one. But if you're the person who's done that over and over again with new titles, it's like maybe you just don't.

Maybe it's just not your thing. Hence hence the Globetrotter. And that's and I think that that's the kind of it's not the not the sort that the learner who just likes the learning process and then stops. It's the Globetrotter who does it for the ego. And I think these guys fuck is it bad if we keep putting the the guys who like have weird egos in that positive?

What does that say about gaming? If we feel like we need them. We need I think we need that's why they're in that positive. think we need them. That's why they're in net positive. I think it's actually more interesting that they're in net positive. Yeah. Yeah. You see the screenshot at the end, you're like, how'd they end up there? Yeah, exactly. Because I... It's true. They're net positive.

Always shit. Always mad. That guy makes me mad, but I need him. We need him. All right. Oh, the cheater. The hacker or the cheater. The cheater. Which I think are the same phenotype. What can I say? You uh, I'm gonna say jail on this. I'm not gonna say death penalty Have you guys ever known someone who's cheated in it on my game?

Like like downloaded a cheat or a hack You mean like yeah, you mean like what you do. Yeah, can you say? Do we know them? I I won't name them on the podcast. You probably will. We can just bleep it. Do you know? No. He got VAC banned for cheating in CS.

No. And he got kicked from the homie server because of it. The homie server morality kicked him. Whoa. But he still like plays melee and he's never cheated in melee, right? But he got V plays melee and he's never cheated in melee, right? But he, but he, on VAC banned in CS. I have a friend, I won't name who, but I have a friend who, they had a server, it was like all, it was like they're all their closest homies.

And the guy who made the server, one of their friends, they were in a CS game with him and someone else was spectating him and they noticed that he was playing so weird and he's like tracking people involved before shooting and long story short, the guy was cheating, but he was the owner of the Discord server that they were all in and they couldn't kick him. Ah! And it was like, so it would either have to create

a new server and invite all those people or try to get him to transfer ownership. Yeah, but without outing him, they had probably exactly. And they had this embargo where they got it from him and kept it. Wow. What a political situation. I I think so. The closest I've ever been to being this guy was when Tekken came out. There's a it was in Tekken 7, too.

It was a big controversy, actually. It was it's a mod for the game that allows you to see real time frame data. So you can be playing a match with someone and you hit their block and you don't need to go into training mode to see it's minus 15 or something. And I just wanted that so I could learn faster when I was playing with people, not online, because online it was disabled, but you can make sure it wasn't disabled online. So you have an inherent advantage.

And there's threads about if this is wrong or not. I asked I asked like Brawl Pro and shopping, is this wrong? And he sent me like seven paragraphs about like both sides and how like how it's complicated. But you download on like a GitHub. It didn't work. I didn't want my main account on steam to get banned for some reason if this is considered a cheat yeah so I had bought Tekken on a new

steam account that's crazy because I didn't want my that was suck right yeah and and it just like didn't work so I was like okay I'll just you know I'll learn the the normal way but I realized what it's like to go into your files you know install what some might call a cheat even though it's a to go into your files, you know, install what some might call a cheat, even though it's a mod. And it felt kind of dirty. The psychosis of a hacker to me, they're very insecure. Like they're very like, this is why I think it's not death penalty, I think it's jail, because I think it comes from like an inherently understandable yet equally pathetic human flaw of I'm not content in my life.

yet equally pathetic human flaw of I'm not content in my life. I'm not a winner in many places, if any places. And this is where I I forcefully win due to cheating. Yeah, I mean, I can't like if you just if you tap everyone's head in the rounds over, do you feel anything? I think they feel dopamine. They feel awesome because it's just like, wow, they all exploded. I think all the dopamine comes from. I think it comes from the the respect of your peers while it lasts.

It's like the idea of like being the guy and getting that attention is the real dopamine. It's not like what you're doing in the game. It's like the I think you're like clocking in for work almost. Sure. Yeah. What comes alongside it? You know what I fucking love? The apology posts of people that cheat. Like semi-notable or even professional people,

like gamers, they like get caught and then they do this whole explanation. Ever since, there was this one guy in Valorant, we joked about it forever, it was like, ever since I was little I was a cheater or something like that. It's like nobody cares, bro. You're just, you're fucking lame.

In defense, I actually didn't, I was a cheater or something like that. It's like nobody cares, bro. You're fucking lame. I actually didn't. My my sympathy did not come from that. It was more I think the one thing I'll give to these people is hacking and cheating. The people who come up with these things or install these things often have like a huge overlap with people who are modifying the game in ways that help with like quality of life or help turning into good things in the community somehow. And then I think that's like the one redeeming thing that comes out of it. The white hat cheater?

Not even white hat, because I think a lot of these people who like I think about the communities I've been in, where a lot of people that got caught cheating in the game and like in competitions were also people like Building software that ended up being really useful to make Quality of life stuff that they were black hat and they turned white hat a little bit flipped over The gray had if you will Jails fine. It was fine. Yeah. Because it is the essence of gaming is fairness. We are both here to play in multiplayer gaming. Because I don't think hacking, cheating really should apply to like, it's not modding.

It's not a single player game that you, but like if you're cheating in a way that matters socially with other people, you're beating them or you're cheating on a speed run or your leaderboard score, I think it's just the essence of gaming evaporates. Yeah, sure. It's the most important thing. And living with that shame is actually worse than being shot. I agree. Anime racist.

Anime racist. Okay. This is someone so ubiquitous that it should not have any doubt in your mind what this person is like. And everyone's encountered one. Loading up one game of CSGO, one of those Steam profile pictures, click on one of them. It's an anime girl. Click on the comments. They're calling each other the N-word, affectionately.

And you're like, you guys probably aren't black. Sometimes they bust out weird ones too. It's not every day I wake up and see the K-word in my life. But they're dropping it. They're like ancient Sumerian, like Mesopotamian slurs. From when we were learning how to plant food. It's like a cipher, but each slur is actually a different... I didn't know gazebo used to mean that.

They're posting shit, it's like bird emoji, urn emoji. If you really decode it, like this was some shit that would get you killed in Farrow Duns. Bird running Farrow, oh my God. Oh my God, can't believe you said that. I think they're a mystery to me, too. Can we really quickly, small departure, why do the racists often love anime?

What is it about that? Dude, I don't know. What is the connection? Yeah, why don't they like house? Or, or what? That's a great question, Nick. Because if I cared about the Aryan race, I feel like I would like house more.

Yeah. A white guy solving problems with medicine. Is it? It just feels emblematic of, if you will, that side. It feels a little more connected to it. Why are they like it? Why do they like epic anime? I don't know. You know what? There is.

And this racism is often directed towards black people predominantly. And I think that there is something to be said about anime not having black characters often. So it's like it's like an escape. Oh, I have never thought of that. It's an escapist genre. It feels like it's your own. It's addictive, it's like an escapist. I have never thought of that. It's an escapist genre. It feels like it's your own. It's addictive, like candy. It's an escapist genre for people who I think, like, are very not, not grounded

in the reality of real life. They are escaping constantly with video games, with being online, like not having social circles, like whatever. I think, so I think it coincides in like a, you watch an escapist genre. I think it makes sense that if you, if you aren't like, it I think so I think it coincides in like you watch an escapist genre. I think it makes sense that if you if you aren't like it's probably so much harder to relate to things that are very real like high levels of realism. Even for these guys to watch like Sherlock, I think they feel a real friction there because you know he's the guy isn't throwing down a sword and going like I'm actually Sundair

and you know what I mean? Like, the tropes that are often used and depicted in anime are so just... They're cartoons. They're a reduced image that is more easy to chew on than the real world. And so you access that, and then you start playing video games, and then you realize you're a teenager and you want to rebel even further.

You learn about racism. It's apparently awesome, right? And so you just playing video games and then you realize you're a teenager and you want to rebel even further you learn about racism It's apparently awesome, right? And so you just end up in this and then the problem is that if you become you go through your 20s And you're still this guy. It's the death penalty It is it I think in a lot of ways this can be a rite of passage for most I don't know like you know what I non- What I think about a lot is how prevalent this guy is in online spaces. But I've never met this guy.

That's the thing, have we though? See, I always wonder this. Is someone closet, am I meeting closeted anime racists everywhere? At like Smash tournaments, if someone, and this is profiling, it is tournaments if someone and this is profiling it is if someone gives me a fucked up vibe I ask them to see their Twitter profile and I'm like Twitter right now and if it's like an anime

profile and they're like kind of weird they're like maybe kind of goonery I don't take a picture with and they're like maybe kind of goonery, I don't take a picture with them. It's like, you know that, have you seen that fucking TikTok? The TikTok of Travis Scott asking fans if they can name a song to sign. It's just Anthony's version of that. It's like, wait, why is Kanye not into your Spotify

rap until this year? Yeah, you just started listening, huh? Awesome. It's just weird to jump on the train now. This is a weird job on the train now. This is a clear death penalty. Also, sometimes you bink the random anime racist, but also girl. And she has like, she has like Cyrillic letters in her Steam profile.

Very rare phenotype. And is probably in like a Discord of like 20 guys and is like the only girl in there. And they're all fighting for her like racist attention? Oh, God, yeah. It's kind of like, did you guys see that, you know, that news story that came out a few months ago and there was that that school shooting in Wisconsin. Yeah. And it was and then you open it and then it was a it was a girl.

And it was like, that's that's her. Yeah. You know, you know what that is? It's D.I. It's all right. Next one, Zipper. Yeah. Next one. No comment really needed for that. All right. Always shit. Always happy. All right. Now, let me earlier. You were talking about our friend who used to like Blair Shrek

through the mic and and just use a shotgun and CS and always going for goofy things. And even if he went 0 and 30, he had an excellent time playing. Yes, at all. Absolutely. This is always shit. Always happy. They are not necessarily good. They're not good at really any game, but they are always having a great time. I have to be honest with you. This is straight to gaming legend for me.

Wow. This is a gaming legend. Interesting. OK. Because their ability to enjoy games in this way is something that I find I have find so much difficulty accessing. It's like an untold of skill to me. It is truly beautiful. It's the other essence of gaming is it's play. These people, no matter how many people like versions of them

there are, if they're filling out the player base of gaming, it's generally good. You know, what's funny to the guy in our that we talked about that fits this bill. He was like he was a really he was like jacked. Yeah. Happy and like great relationships and also just had a weird hobby, which was, you know, playing games in an insane way. He would he would he would stock a tunnel in dust too, with a Nova with like 16 K in his bank and just play Shrek

get out of my swamp like hard style over the mic for everyone to listen to. And he's the only one alive. So you have to listen to it. Yeah, he also sold wax, you know, so he just yeah, I think it's true joy. It is true joy. And I think the way it's like it doesn't have to be so bombastic.

It doesn't have to be Shrek blasting over the microphone. It can just be it can be the guy who struggles with Super Meat Boy and he's streaming it to his boys in the discord and he and he's just he's stuck and he can never beat the game. He's like, beat the level tomorrow. I'll figure it out tomorrow and then or or the guy that's been Silver in or bronze in Valorant for five six years, but he doesn't complain It's just he just plays Valorant sometimes that's an important guy You know, I think the operative word here and always shit always happy and always shit always mad is the word always. Yeah, because it presupposes that this person's not faking the funk.

They truly are just they're loving it. They're gamers. I think it's a gaming legend. Okay, I'm with it. They're a beautiful gamer. Yeah. And we need them. The Zelda man.

Dude, I fucking hate. Close your eyes. I hate the Zelda man. Close your eyes. Picture him now. Okay, I want you to picture the Zelda man and I'm going to try to describe him to you. Okay. Potentially. All right.

A skinny fat male. He's wearing a Zelda Triforce t-shirt, centered Triforce. Maybe it's green. Long hair, but long hair that looks like it's wet, but it's not wet. Glasses are not glasses. Facial hair, but scruffy, not well grown. Tube socks. Shorts. Shorts.

Dad shoes. We like. Yeah, there's the cargo fits. This is very popular and sort of. Yeah, this is like the stereotypical Zelda man. The Florida man is a Zelda man. And walking a convention floor. And OK, this is a controversial one, I feel. They could go a lot of places on here. You're so fucking funny

Hmm is up until you said Zelda man right there. I thought you said the words. I thought it said Zelda main. Oh That's so niche. Yeah, that's such a that's such a big use of a square So, okay this is the Zelda man. Now, many would say, oh, harmless, maybe, let people enjoy things. If everyone thought like that, by the way, the world would be gray. It'd be gray. There'd be no color in the world. Was this person not on our previous tier list? Well, there's there's a couple of like it. Yeah. But we also have a we should after we place them,

we should see if we put the same category. Yeah, we should. This is a man I don't think is necessarily harmless, because their time and their money and all their resources as a gamer goes into one thing, and it's Zelda. And it's the Funkos, and it's the jerk-off shit, and it's the cons, and it's the jerk off shit and it's the cons. I don't know it's the Zeldas.

It's the sandals. Aiden it's the sandals that they wear the socks in. And all of it, it just gets funneled into this. And they feet look like a pussy. And they feet look like a pussy, Slatt. They feet don't, they feet may look like a pussy. They feet might, but I don't think this person, I don't think Zelda Man is...

And they feed look pussy like? I don't think Zelda Man is gooning adjacent in my experience. I have some sad news to tell you. Oh they goon. But I don't... I think they separate... They can like a lot of things. Here, this is what I would say.

This is what I would say. Zelda Man is really into Zelda, but I think he actually watches normal pornography. I know, I think he's watching like two inflated Gorons, like sucking it from the back. Okay, look, here's my argument for her net positive. I think that they single-handedly hold up the economy of retro game modding without these guys. Would there would be no people who find it

worthwhile to develop like like emulated console handhelds that you get to take and bring on planes. It's like these guys in Pokemon guys. No, I disagree. And here's why. The these Zelda men in my head, they come in the night. These pigs, they don't care about getting a cool Chinese retro handheld that you have to hack to make work. They're just gonna buy it on the Switch store. Wait, no! When Nintendo tell them. No, I think that's exactly what they care about.

I think Zelda made the care. No, I think they're purists. I think they play the new games on the Switch, but I think the old ones, they're like, I gotta play it on original hardware. They have both. And that's what Zelda has. They have, no, right now, right now, they're sitting in a room that isn't their bedroom. It's actually, it's a game room that they begged their wife for when they negotiated the rent.

And they're married. And they're married. And they're always married. They're always married. They're always married, and they always had a Triforce at the wedding. And you know what, she also loves Zelda. She loves, or she loves.

And right now, they're sitting in front of a big black IKEA shelf that's squares Because they counted them out they kind of and they inlaid LEDs to put their various gaming consoles and plushies and Consume and they have they have badges from all the conventions that they've gone to and bought awesome Zelda paraphernalia from hanging off of the corner. Oh, and the amiibos. And the amiibos. How can we forget the amiibos?

They have the amiibos. But growing up, growing up, Anthony Bruno is being 14 and hating this guy, but then becoming an adult and realizing that he is harmless. And you know what? It's fine. I do want a tour of his goon closet I want to see all the things he's gathered. I want to see all the cool Zelda stuff that I would never buy for myself What the fuck's happening? No you don't

What is this shit? Yeah, this is crazy I want to I want when he walks in a room you smell his penis like someone opened a beef jerky like a bigger bulk Yeah, I'll never forget that penis. I Didn't that guy look like a zelda man he did yeah I'm kind of I walked by me in cargo shorts at bigger bulk I was playing melee and I smell these penis and I was like that's the worst shit Ludwig he's a little he has smelly penis and he's. But he has, he holds that job. These rookies ain't gonna collect themselves. He's married and he has two kids that go to an okay public school. Yeah, and he tries to get them to play Zelda, but they really just want to play basketball.

I draw the line at harmless. Harmless. I agree. Fine. Fine with me. I agree that it's harmless. Okay, this was one of Anthony's. The Asmongold DEI foot soldier. This is a gamer? Which I asked the exact question, Anthony, can you make this a gamer? And he said, let.I. foot soldier, which is a gamer, which I asked the exact question.

Yeah. Can you make this a gamer? And he said, let me explain. Let me explain. You know what? He put a great argument. So these are the guys that that pretty much look at any any piece of media, the contemporary piece of gaming or media. And if it has like a female main character or if they are black or if they've made her breast smaller

in a newer version of the breast or smaller, if their hair is shorter, there are so many things that can go wrong in this person's mind about the I Bres is so fresh and these people are they are entrenched in in this insane culture war where they think that they have lost something along the way back when like Lara Croft's had giant polygon tits and they think that because that is gone Very adjacent to like the West has fallen the West has fallen and there's no more good media that caters to my sensibility Which is like a straight white guy And it's it's a tragedy and these guys, you know, they are gamers because they have nothing else to do. But they're actually only gamers. They are only gamers.

And they're Twitch streamers, watchers. And they watch their, you know, guys like Asmongold, and they also probably have fucked up teeth. And yeah. This is a clear death penalty. Well, well, well, do we want to do we want to give them the easy way out? Because we put them in jail. Jail. Jail is where they belong. Yeah. The question is whether or not we kill them. Just do I do I share the same animosity for them that I have for the anime racist. We instantly wanted to kill the anime racist.

Yeah, I feel like... I mean, there's a lot of overlap there, but I think the Asmongold DEI foot soldier is more likely to engage in some sort of crusade that they think is really noble. The anime racist is kind of more of an aimless scattershot of many things and actually a very broad type of person. I would like to put him in death penalty, but above the anime racist.

You mean the left of who gets to the left it first to the oh, anime, it would imply that the very last one on this is the worst. Yes, got it. Got it. This is the worst on the list. It's a somewhat ordered tier list, at least the lowest tier. Yeah, I think this is fine. I think jail is fine. Death penalty is interesting because at the end of the list. It's a somewhat ordered tier list, at least at the lowest tiers. Yeah. I think this is fine. I think jail is fine. Death penalty is interesting because at the end of the day, these guys still need to consume.

But a lot of them have Funko Pop caves of their own, right? And so if you want an industry to continue... But the nuance, the nuance between the two is what's important. Wait, why do all your Funko Pops have camel toes? These guys will play what you give them? Wait, why do all your Funko Pops have camel toes? These guys will play what you give them? Wait, what is a Spunko Pop? Where do you even buy that? Yeah, death penalty.

Yeah, sure, I'm with it. Alright, still buys Mortal Kombat, one of slimes. Can I, if you could Google something really quick, Zipper, can you look up how much in sales the new Mortal Kombat game just made? I it's funny, even though you made this one up and put it in. I have had this thought before. I know when Mortal Kombat comes out, I'm like, people are buying. People come out of the woodwork that you don't expect that are like,

oh, have you I'm getting the new Mortal Kombat. Check this shit out. I know five million units. Wow. Globally, that has outsold Tekken 3 by sorry, Tekken 8 by I think three million units. Wow. That's September 20, 23. So there's been time. OK, so let me just say at sixty dollars a pop.

That's a lot of fucking money. Let me just say Mortal Kombat as an IP. So cool. Yeah. Like one of the coolest ninjas gore. Just so awesome. Aesthetically, it's amazing. All the games are so fun to play, like so cool. Yeah. Like one of the coolest. Ninjas, gore. This is so awesome. Aesthetically it's amazing. All the games are so fun to play.

Like so cool. Confused who is still like with bated breath like I need the next title. Are they a collector? Are they a hardcore fighting game player? These are guys who own consoles. That's it. So much time. It comes with the Xbox.

So much time has passed that this this guy is climbing into he's climbing into the same zone as the guy who still buys Madden for me. OK, it's it's lost a bit of the novelty. It's like it's like how saying like in pop culture, if you said fatality in 2006, it's like, oh, and now and now if you did that, it's like, come on. I see. Is it though? Have we actually looped back around?

I think we're looped. I think if I, maybe we're irony boys. Look, look, I am going to throw out a fatality for you. I'm going to pick a really good time and you're going to love it. Can you, Zippor, can you Google the image of Wojak bell curve? Because I think that's what we just arrived at. Is it Wojak Bell Curve for Mortal Kombat guys? And I can explain this in that context.

But while he's doing that, Mortal Kombat, the amount of money that these games make every year and a lot of it has to do with I think the marketing machine of Warner Brothers, the Warner Brothers IP now. That's why in the game you have Terminator and shit. It's a very morphed thing than what it used to be, which is also not. If you play Mortal Kombat now, it still does these callbacks to the 1990s game. It makes sure that if you're a guy who's 35 and you load that shit up, you're like, ah, nostalgia.

Okay, saying fatality is based. And then the middle saying fatality is cringe. And then the end saying fatality is based and then the middle saying fatality is cringe and then the end saying fatality is based. That's where we're at in society right now. I want to put them in. I actually want to put them in net positive because I think like the FTC Globetrotter, I think they are preserving something that was and kind of still is important and cool. But are they by spending money on a AAA studio?

Exactly. It's so commercial. It's big business. And it's lost a lot of the like flair and joy. They don't need to change the game very significantly. Like, do we need Cheaper By The Dozen 4? You're saying like, do we need to keep making these? It's more like, does the guy who works at an Amazon warehouse come home, rips a bong, and plays Mortal Kombat story mode for three hours? Is that a net positive?

In a lot of ways in spiritually and the context of the world, probably not. It might be harmless. But I wouldn't call him a net positive. Let's say like my girlfriend, like makes a new friend and I go over to their house for the first time, I meet her boyfriend. He's a turbo like AAA gaming normie. But he's like an old head. He's playing Mortal Kombat on the new PS5.

I walk in, he's playing on TV. I'm like, is this Mortal Kombat? He's like, yeah, it's the new one. I'm locked in. I'm interested. I'm like watching it. I'm like, oh, wow. Gaming as a. That's why it's harmless. It's like it's TV for me. It's just there's nothing.

There's nothing brave about playing Mortal Kombat and buying it again. There was a- This is coming out this year? Well, there's a Mortal Kombat 2 movie- Oh, and they got fucking the guy from the- from the boys. That's him, right? Oh yeah, that is the boys, man. I met him. Look, it's gonna be a forever IP. Until civilization collapses, we will know that Sub-Zero shoots fireballs.

Shoots ice balls, sorry. I'll settle for harmless, but I think it's not positive. I'm a harmless. Harmless. Harmless it is. Up next we got the Stardew Valley or the MapleStory Girl. Yeah. Zipper pissed off that we said girl at the end of it. I mean, you can be a Stardew girl and be a guy.

Let's make it. Alex smokes me. It is a MapleStory girl. Yes, he is. Or no, Stardew girl. Sorry. Sorry. No, he's a MapleStory girl. Well, OK, here's the here. You actually made Stardew and MapleStory their same category. I would argue that they're different. Yeah, because Stardew, MapleStory is an MMO that you like grind and play. Stardew is more of like a compact single player experience.

But we can still. Let's put it this way. MapleStory girl might go in whack playlist, but Stardew girl might go in. Might go in armless. Yeah, because MapleStory girl has a Venn diagram sliver with anime racists. MapleStory girl has BPD. Oh yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, she's got- It's not- She's got some fucked up bangs. But! Stardew Girl- But Stardew Girl- Stardew Girl you take home to mama. Stardew Girl's fine.

She's fine. She's got- The thing about Stardew Girl is like she has other interests. It's- And she's great. Stardew- She's great. If you-

I don't really care that she plays Stardew. It's like, oh, it's cool. You play Stardew Valley. Like it's if you have never sat in bed with a Nintendo switch with someone you're dating and they're playing Stardew and you're playing it. Have you really been in a relationship? Good question. Really?

Let's let's I'll fix it after this. Let's separate them and let's place both of them. Okay. So starting with the Stardew, the Stardew girl. She's I would she's harmless. I mean, net positive. How fun is it to be like, yeah, I play I play Super Smash Brothers. Melee. Yeah, the old one. Yeah. And CRTs and she goes, oh, I play Stardew Valley.

And you go, that's awesome. We're connected. Yeah. Like, it's, I think having that social glue and being able, the challenge of being like a hardcore gamer to navigate that as a mesh and be like, actually, I can find a connection. Because you just said Stardew Valley and it's not, no video games at all. It's actually not positive.

I would argue gaming legend because anecdotally every person that is a Stardew Girl has been very cool. Well, let's pump the brakes. Also for net positive on that. You want to you want to silence women. You want to put a ceiling maybe perhaps over there. Just bit of glass. They can look through it.

It's just like it's just Stardew Girl. It's nice because you both have, it's like, oh, we both play a video game, but inside I'm like, be brave, try something. One of the funniest things I've ever watched was Alex when he plays Stardew and he... Talking about MapleStory or Stardew Valley? Sorry, which one did you play? I can't remember. MapleStory. Okay, sorry, I didn't play either of these games.

They're, in my head, they're the same even though I know they're different. MapleStory is a 2D game. MapleStory, girl! MapleStory I can't remember. MapleStory. Okay, sorry. I didn't play either of these games. They're in my head they're the same even though I know they're different. MapleStory Girl! MapleStory Girl! That's MapleStory. This isn't, yeah. She's dangerous. Yes. She's dangerous. MapleStory Girl is posting some shit like,

the real body count is the amount of men you've put in therapy. Like, that's... Like, you gotta be careful. She's our first whack playlist in my opinion The stories that I've heard about maple store maple story girls. They make me scared Okay, you guys play so I'm good knows game. I'm clearly a game out of my element here, so you guys place them Yeah, I agree maple story girl goes in whack playlist stardew girl goes into I net positive give me that that that positive is good Okay, I agree

So put it in that positive. You're an evil piece of shit. It's just a step down from gaming legend I love Stardew Valley the low to your main This extends I wanted to extend this outside of just fighting games because I think this person they're also playing fucking like Pre-patch your roof. Yes. Yeah, and they're and they're also like they're playing they're playing at every video game they play. They intentionally take the route of the fucking oh, look at me. I'm playing the dumb character because every time I lose, it's like, well, I play a character and every time you lose, it's like, oh, my God,

you lost to my shit, my shit gimmick. Classic. You're hedging. They hedge. It's a low tier option select. It's a very tier option select. It's a very celebrated and- The Donkey Kongs, the Luigi's. It's the cornerstone of the concept of a low tier character is having this option. Yes.

I think we need to put these people in jail. I think that's heavy. I think that's a heavy burden to put them next to Hacker and Cheater. I like you saying this because you... I don't think you've ever taken this path of resistance in any game. You play Funky Kong, you play Sheik, you play... You don't play low tiers, but you have sympathy for them. Yeah, a little bit.

Why? Because I think that putting them next to hacker and cheater feels feels wrong I would put them in a whack playlist because on the whole I Like this is better. I think I agree with the whole thesis that Nick has it is you do a lot of protecting of the ego That's why it's good when a low tier a serious low tier gamer breaks through and OMSA if you will who's not a low tier gamer He believes he's a lover of Yoshi. He loves Yoshi. Or that happens with Donkey Kong or Donkey Kong.

Or like it's happened in a bunch of games where like there's a difference between someone who genuinely pushes the character and doesn't just play for the novelty and truly believes that this character will not stop me from winning. I will find a way to win with this character versus the guy who's like, let me do the cheese. And, let me do the cheese. And I let me do the cheese guy. He's not cheating. And I don't want to put him with the cheaters, but I don't like him.

I play when I encounter him in the game. I said, you're this is miserable for both of us because you, you know that you can't beat me with this character. And I know that I'm going to win that you suck all the joy out of the game. This interaction has nothing left to it, especially, this is the worst, this is the worst symptom of low tier gamer, or low tier main, is I notice on Slippy,

this is a phenomena in Maylad, love to know if this carries to other games, is when I play unranked, the people that are most likely to quit out on me after like one game or Mid game or low tier players who are getting fucked up Yeah, because they showed up to the party and no one wanted to see magic tricks. Yes, and they're like, oh I guess I'll leave No one cares. You don't like it when you face the reality of your choices. Oh, that's interesting. I'll be out of shield That's awesome, bro. I saw that when I was 10.

It makes me miserable that the Reddit will be filled with posts of like, why won't anybody play any games with me? And it's like I make a point to not quit and play with them. And then they quit on me. And it's like, who are you to do that? Who are you? Who's capping here? You know what's funny too with a lot of things can come down to design. I experienced this myself with Tekken when I picked up the game.

There's a bear in it. His name is Kuma. He's a bear. That's crazy. And I was like, no matter what, I play that guy. Yeah, and that's different. And when you spiritually connect to a character, that's the beauty of games. What I was thinking of was like that guy can exist with any character, right? It's the guy who maybe mains Ice Climbers or I'm trying to think of a lower tier character. Say you love Young Link and you dress up as Young Link at tournaments. You're the same as the guy who mains Puff and dresses up with the Puff t-shirt on.

Yeah, you just happen to have chosen a better... It's not about the tier, it's about your connection to it. Also, to be clear, before you get crucified, Kuma's very good in Tekken 8. He's insane. But what I'm saying is no matter how good or bad he was, I was gonna play him. And there's a low tier main that kind of subscribes to that and is self-aware, and it's the ones that aren't

that sully the good name of the rest of them. And this is, I think, a clear whack playlist clear whack pay lip playlist excellent way game watch dude Oh game watch players just eat fucking shit. Eat some dog shit. Oh my god Wirtle NYT bot So this is one of mine This might be me. These are the people that are like, they're like, wordle posting. And they're like, they're like posting their NYT times in the group chat. And they do it every single day.

The hottest girl you know is doing this right now. The most beautiful girl who happens to also be reading this. The thing is that Nick, Nick, I feel the energy on your side of the room and I want to jump in that pool. The problem is this is so many people in the world right now. It's OK that most people are crazy. There's also a lot of Nazis, Aidan. So what's your opinion there? So because there's so many, we should just let it leave the moment.

I think there are so many people from very different walks of life who don't have like a competitive bone in their body that just like do. But they all come back to this point of being this person. And and it's it's too large of a spectrum of people that all do. This is what I'm saying. I think I think there's a distinction to make here of people that are so into it. People that treat it like it isn't just a daily thing to like kind of be like, oh, it was Greece and then move on with their lives. They're they're like playing it like it would be a much more complicated game.

You're not just doing you're so ripping the posts every day. Yeah, you're ripping the posts and you're like maybe you're even like on the word subreddit or you're playing like the duo deco world with 64 of them, which can be fun. But you know what I'm saying? Like there's a different type of like casual person who does this, like a normal human and person who takes it a little too seriously. Do they have Gunel? And it's like you get like an areola and you have to say what porn star it is.

That'd be crazy. How has this not been done? Well, let me just check. Have we just created a billion dollar company? That would be so cool if If it doesn't exist. We got a lot of programmers in the art community. Gunel. Just want to throw that out there.

It's a surname. So ancestry.com Gunel family. You guys both made some good points. And I'm going to go net negative on this. Because while I do think the general engagement and consistency is fine, I think playing these games is cool and fun. I think I hate when people still post their wordle emoji score lines because it fills group chats unnecessarily and it's who is this for?

Why you gotta fucking roast your awesome mom like that bro? My mom? She's not sending me that shit. mom like that, bro. My mom? Yeah. She's not sent me that shit. I actually think net positive because I think I just value the idea of like my grandma respecting a game. Like she's like, like my grandma puts time in in her morning to play a game. And I feel like that just I just respect that she thinks

that's an important piece. Is she pasting the score and sharing and competing with other people? Well, the dementia really makes that kind of no. She thinks she thinks she's posting a song sometimes. Yeah, yeah. I think I'll be the tiebreaker here. I think these people are negative because they could simply every person that is taken away by doing an N.Y.T. game could instead maybe be playing a different game and eventually reach. Like Elden Ring.

They can eventually reach something that I respect more. And when this stands in the way of that, I think that's a problem. These can be melee players. Your grandma could be playing melee. Your your hot grandma. I fought for you guys out there. I really do. I really do think you're in at positive. Oh, the Valve, the Valve truth-er, bro.

The Valve truth-er. Oh my god. Their favorite video games. Oh my god, the PFT. Source engine. PFT was the best game, bro. Let's play some Garry's Mod fucking. Prop hunt, anyone wanna play prop hunt?

We get on that. Yeah. No, log me in. You to play portal for the next time. They'll log me in. Himachi server, dude. One point six literally was the best game. The best game is forever. She was ruined by the bots.

It's really, you know what? They got greedy. And that's the problem. It's funny. They're simultaneously valve glazers, glazers and truth. Sir truthers. I really got that out. Yeah. I feel like to build a new Zealand bunker

that that game is going to live in. Game is going to run. Gabe Newell is going to be mummified in a sarcophagus in New Zealand. And you are the reason why, because you think he's some sort of legend when really he just bought he just created a marketplace. He is he is the Jeff Bezos of video gaming and you think he's a god And it's crazy orange box And I love these fucking games I deserve this I'm 34

I thought you know important half-life is to my life the first computer case I ever had I spray painted made and spray painted the lambda half-life logo on it in orange orange on black I'm a fucking, I'm the guy who this is for. Here's the difficulty because Valve games are just, they're so good. Like every Valve game is so good. Yeah. They fucking are. Because they're like a hardcore fan. That was a bomb.

That was an insane attempt. That was just a f- And they pressed a big button at Valve to release it and they thought it would be like a rocket launch But it fucking yeah But usually they hit and so when people really really love it and play every exclusively only every game I'm like I get it ethetically gameplay wise like just awesome But go up like touch gaming grass Go outside and touch the green pixeled other games that exist.

I mean, I would argue that a lot of times they do, but they end up playing like these guys are super adjacent to like ultra PC gamer guys. They've played Metro Last Light like a hundred times. Like these are the guys that gamers Nexus videos are made for. It's just they spawned the... They are the origin of things like Skibbitty Toilet and things like that. Well, it is a Garry's Mug.

I know where it's from, but not the origin. He's insane to say that. No, no, no, no. If we go all the way back, if we dig deep, I'm not saying they culturally created these, but they are the advent of making something like a medium popular that is the root at like that type of the head, the head in the animation expanded and he made a loud noise and it's funny Taking the assets from the video game and creating shitposts And I feel like that's done untold damage to me

Damage or cultural building blocks. I think Skibity toilet was important. I think it's the same shit as like Red versus Blue, but in a more libertarian environment. I know. Look, I think these guys are whack playlist, but I recognize what they have contributed. But to be a Valve truth or in 2025 is to be whack. It just is. They just they they also if you've met these guys, they rip.

They rip certain words with a callousness and they're not necessarily I wouldn't call them outright like bad people. But they they operate within a social sphere where they don't understand why saying those things aren't okay. Well, yeah, because they have awesome like, you know, nearly seven-figure software developer jobs and they wear polo shirts with the Nine Inch Nails logo on them and then they come home and they play Valve games. And that makes them whack. I'm sorry, I don't know. I wouldn't hang out with that guy. They also somehow have really long hair and are also balding. It's tough. They're doing both. They're tough to go that way. How do you do that?

You know what? Tenacity. Mobile gamer. Mobile gamer. This one's cut and dry. Not too much to say. I do think it's pathetic. What part of it?

Because it's like it's just David Chong pathetic picking a scooter when you go skateboards right there. It's just like it's just like have you seen, have you looked in a mirror while you do it? Because I want to make an important distinction here. The guy on the train, the guy on the train who's like. Guys do this at the poker table, too. But I think I think there's a there's a difference between slightly between this guy

and the gotcha gamer, and I want to make an important distinction. Okay. Because I think that if we, if we think about this in a, in a global sense, a lot of people just are mobile gamers by proxy of not really being able to afford a PC. Like that's why a bulk of mobile gaming exists is because most people just have phones. It's expensive. And this is just what they play games on. I don't buy this.

That's the most, no. iPhones are $800 now. No, cause you can get them with your plan and you always need a phone. I'm not talking about, I'm not even talking about the US. I'm talking about like India. I'm talking about like Southeast Asia. Okay, sure.

PUBG mobile, baby. That's most mobile gamers. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. If you include countries outside of the US, of course. The fact that you're socioeconomically prejudiced is a problem we can talk about later. Look, this is my experience with the mobile gamer. It's like you're hanging out. You're all having a good time. You're fucking.

Maybe you're like at a bar. Maybe you're at a friend's house. And one person in the group is. And you go, you go like, oh, what are you? What are you doing? And you're like, oh, I, I, I play this mobile game and I have to like do my daily unlocks for and you're like, oh, that cool. And then it's it fizzles and it's nothing I'm not interested. And also you're not participating and you're addicted and you get nothing at the end.

You know, it's funny. It pops up and you pay the company. Now, imagine if you do like that mobile game, try really hard, is it somehow fixed? If it's like, if it's their melee, and obviously it's different because melee is cool and this is lame, and we all agree with that. But if you by happenstance love the same game that Mr. Beast liked playing when he told us about that. That's a net negative. I think that is that is kind of if we're that what Mr.

Beast was doing is kind of adjacent to what Nick is talking about. And if I were to zone in on that version of the mobile gamer as this person that we're talking about, that person's a net negative. I think that like like. Twitter, Twitter is like a mobile game, kind of where it's where you pull out your phone and you waste your time and you destroy your brain. And I think mobile games are somehow even a worse waste of time. Sure.

Where it's like, I don't think you need to take gaming out of the house like that. I actually think it's good that you go out in the world and you don't play video games on your phone. I think you put the phone in the pocket. What if you're taking a train to work and you play a switch game every morning? That's I think that's better. I even think it's better for the mobile gamer to have that use of it. But the mobile the modern mobile game Pokemon Go has destroyed this.

The modern mobile gamer in America, in my eyes, is the guy who is not really hanging out while you're all together. It's true because he's on his phone and he's locked in. Interesting. He's mobile game. That's true. Because he's on his phone and he's locked in. Interesting. He's mobile gaming. That's a guy about to turn 30. The mobile game market share is $92 billion. Yeah, it's huge. Okay.

Yeah, and it's all and it's also I feel like a more. We should make a mobile game. A more overt cash grab than traditional gaming. Where it's also a cash grab. But like mobile games are just inherently because there's there's better hardware by a lot out there with computers and whatever. And so if you're making the game for mobile, I think you have like a goal in mind. Like, no, maximize profit, print print money in everyone's pocket everywhere.

I can't wait to play the next awesome A.I. mobile game. And I think if you bought into that, I think you're a bot. All right. You know what? I'll buy it. Net net negative. If you're a mobile gamer, you're a droid. Grandma. Speaking of mobile. Yeah, so this was Slimes.

You said you had a lot to say about this. I did? Yeah. You said, you said you were talking about. I thought you did. You did. I can say a lot about that. That's why I wrote it.

Oh, you know why? It's because I wanted to have Aiden explain about a grandma gamer, because he did earlier, and then me explain that I wanted to fuck his grandma. That's the only reason I wanted to put this. It is funny to just say what my plan was. Aiden, what is your grandma story? Grandma gamers, maybe not specifically my grandma. Not to be confused with NYTBOT. Not to be confused with NYTBot.

Not to be confused with NYTBot. Yeah. That's a more that's a more advanced gamer. Go on. But this this gamer, she she might pop open Solitaire on her Windows XP PC that she still has. It's really slow. Yeah. She might even venture into something like Mind Sweeper. She might even in the car, mutter the answers to a radio show while she's driving.

Is this gaming? It is gaming. It is gaming. Full house. And it's like full house. Playing Jeopardy? Grandma's playing Jeopardy. Grandma's love Jeopardy.

Or maybe she grinds a non-purchasable puzzle game, plays like digital Scrabble, but stuff like this. And there are grandma's who are doing that every day, all the time with a bunch of the free time that they have. Clearly harmless. Bingo, bingo. Yeah, OK. These people are the people that are getting their social security gutted.

They're harmless and they're beautiful. OK. And we all secretly would like to have sex with one. Nope. And we'll talk later. OK. The A-Rammer. A-Rammer. Not to be confused.

Not to be confused with the the League of Legends player, because to me, an A-Rammer is an even an even more pathetic thing is really yes, I do Being so addicted Half the people listening are playing Abraham right now imagine being so addicted to the way your binky feels in your mouth that you're like I just have to do it I don't want to wear my diaper anymore, but I still want the binky. I still want to I still want to click that around. I just do it all over a wall.

Well, no, it's total like, bro, just play the video game or don't. But just quit or don't don't fucking micro dose your point toxic relationship with League of Legends by a ramming. What is a different? OK, what's an example of an a ram like in a different game? Is it like death matching in Valorant? Oh? I'm like right. I guess it's like it's not it'd be like spike rushing it'd be like only spike rushing all the time Yeah, you'd be a psycho okay, but people who are playing. There's a lot of people that a rim I know I know and there are a lot of people that are. I know. I know.

And there are a lot of people who do Fentanyl. It's almost like it's not. It's actually more pathetic and lamer, but it's almost like surfing where it's like you love how the engine of the game feels so bad that you just do something to touch it all the time. It's not even at least surfing is fucking different. Yes, it's like surfing is, it's a little relaxing. It's like an exploration of mechanics that you don't get to use in the main.

You can't hear it. You're cheering as Aiden's talking right now. In the main game, it's like I can't boot into Mirage and then comp and then surf. Like it's a different thing. I think the ARammer is like they're so afraid of who they are and how much league they've played, but they're so addicted that they can't commit to the full match because they don't want to admit that's who they are and what they want. And they also can't let it go. And they're in purgatory.

It is a horrible spot to be in when voting a league client is... It's different. Maybe you really love league and you have 30 minutes before work, so you just queue an ARAM because that's all you can get. If you are playing more than three ARAMs in a row, you are lost. I want to put them in jail because I actually think it'll be good for them. Maybe tie. There's no way you can jail. Maybe tie.

They should definitely be above hacker. You know that scene in, why can I not think of the name the famous the famous fucking it's sad heroin movie Oh Requiem Requiem for a dream the scene in Requiem for a dream where he goes to jail and he's laying on the table Yeah, it's arm and you can see all the veins in his arm. That's what happens day They need they need it they need to suffer the withdrawals and then come out the other side way better. That guy also in that movie got such a better deal than the other two. Because Jared Leto got his arm amputated. And we all know what happened with Jennifer Connelly.

So that guy just went through withdrawals in jail and then can be fined. And then was fined. Hopefully was fine. All right. The menu gamer. Menu gaming. These are, you know, I think this term was coined by Northern Lion. It's like, oh, my God, was it? I just heard him say it. OK, OK. So, yes, he did coin it.

It's like Bolotro. It's like any any game that is played through a series of menus and numbers. Yeah. I think these guys are, you know, somewhat close to my own heart, because these are the kind of games I end up playing a lot. Oh, you know, I think they're net negative. Okay, kill yourself, but go ahead. They are fucking conversation poison.

Like, have you ever been in a group of friends who are also all gamers, and someone's like, bro, I had so many fucking jokers last night, and the fucking banana broke or whatever, and you're just like No one cares. All right, hold on. Hold on. I think we have to pull back and because I while I agree I think this applies to any genre of game that they're like the rest of the group No! It just never plays

You just never play Boulatro I can think of this Because it's fucking banky The social situation I thought of the social situation I thought of. The social situation I thought of was one night. We had like a game night or something. A bunch of our friends were hanging out and there was a mixture. I would say probably 20% of the people at this party or this hangout were like, let's call them normal people.

OK, the normies. I'll be less pejorative. They were normal people. And we were talking about the rest of us were in the living room talking about XQC and something insane that he had done. This conversation was something that the other 20% of the people in the room definitely could not understand or engage with in any capacity. They started playing the world. And you know what though? I could make them care about that. I could be like,

yeah, this guy's a kid gamer who is really rich, like hundreds of millions of dollars. And they're like, what, why? And I'll show them a clip and they're like, why does this make money? And they're in. But if I'm like, but the, I got the Joker. I got the Joker.

I got Blueprint and then I got Blueprint. Copy and demand. It is not, I don't win Monday, but it looks like gamble. I love that. Okay, okay, okay, listen, listen. I don't win Monday, but it looks like gamble. I love that. OK, OK, OK. Listen, listen, Nick has a point because Yingling was playing a lot of blotter when the fires were here. All I did, it was such a paradise.

I would hang out in the office all day. I would play I would play league. I play like 10 games a day. And then in between, I would just play blotter. Yeah. And and I would just wait for the fires to not burn my place down. Yeah. And you'd check the fire app, and it still says 0% containment. And it still says 0% containment.

And I'm like, that's bad. Surely they'd be at 1% by now. Surely 1% would be nice to see. Maybe lie to me. Does 0 mean we haven't started? Yeah. Or that the fire's winning every fight? Yeah.

But Yingling was here. And Yingling also played Bellatro. He's like, dude, I've been playing Bellatro and I realized it was going to be a boring conversation, but I extracted, me and him extracted all the value we could out of it. And then we've never talked about Bellatro again. So I get it. The problem. Okay, look, if I tell a story about how, oh, at this yesterday at the party, you had to

play Josh's puff to win a prize. Interesting. Or hey, in Mario Party, Miles tied with a computer for minigames. Funny. Conversation about Bellatro is only fun for people who played it. What I'm saying is that what you're true about, and even more true than you know, is that even people who play Bellatro, much like poker, no one cares about a bad beat story. It's like hearing their dream. It's like, we both dream and I don't want to hear about your dream. I don't care that you got like this many with this many jokers

because I wasn't there and I didn't feel it and I didn't get to, you know, at least like league players, their games miserable. They're miserable. But when they when they talk about it with each other and they're miserable, I'm like, wow, this is kind of funny. You guys are I'm entertained by your misery before we place this, how is this different than inscription? It's not, but it's so much bigger that it plagues so many more conversations. If if if inscription heads were like trying this hard to have conversation,

the beauty of inscription is that you can't talk about that spoiling it. So people will just say you should play it. And those guys, including myself, are annoying. But is that not also a menu gamer? No, no, it's a deck builder. It's not the same as Bellatro. I would call these all menu gaming. There isn't menus, but I get it. It does feel different. I'll leave this one to you guys.

I think it's different because yours is like a story that you unfold, which Bellatro and other games like it are about beating scores, high scores. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, you actually convinced me that the menu gamer, while maybe not as social as they could be, it's net negative. Yes. I don't think they're wax. Yes, they're net negative. Idol games too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like Rune. Well, I think we have runescape coming up on the clicker. Yeah Yeah, okay. So a net negative that negative. Let's go, dude

The triple a gamer the slop eater the L classic the the undead husk that just wanders through this planet You know one of these guys the old personal trainer of Ludwig's and mine for a little bit, Christian, such a great guy. I love that guy. I would, I think if that guy said, hey, I'm going to war. Will you come with me and be in a trench and fight on the Ukrainian front?

He's not a Ukrainian, he's from like San Diego. I'd be like, Christian, I will, because I like you, man. He was this guy. Okay. Every time I hung out with him and talked to him, he'd be like, dude, I just replayed Resident Evil 2 for the fifth time. And I'm like, that's awesome, dude. He's like, yeah, getting a PS5 so hard, isn't it?

This guy is a net positive. This guy might be a gaming legend. This guy could be a gaming legend. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. There's other people that aren't like Christian because Christian doesn't really know. Well, listen, Christian, Christian doesn't really know what Reddit is. OK, he he knows what a PS5 is. Yeah. And he knows who Subzero is. But he doesn't know what Reddit is. And I think that makes him kind of special.

And the triple A gamer. Fuck, you've convinced me they're not positive. No, I think that makes him kind of special. And the triple A gamer. Fuck, you've convinced me they're not positive. No, I think you're wrong. I think you're wrong about this because the majority, that's the beauty is most of these guys actually are Christians. I would love to think that. I think the thing is they and by buying triple good, triple A games that launch and being into it, they're like the guy. You know, when you see those Tic Tocs of like, like wife influencers are like,

here's my husband gaming. And it's like and it's this guy. It's yeah, it's like it's the Star Wars game that just came out. He played God of War and he played Uncharted. And maybe he just bought Uncharted because it was Nathan Drake. Looked cool on the poster. He's playing on a TV that only swivels this way. Yeah, it's way high.

It's so high. Oh, my God. Yeah, it's above the fireplace. He is he's kind of the lifeblood of like why quality triple A games can even still exist. He, they even, they support the economy. At a Super Bowl party, they're who you're going to talk to. Yes, they are better to talk to. And most of them, and Simon, that's the thing.

Most of them don't know what Reddit is. And that's beautiful. I will allow these guys to be net positive. Yes. I won't go gaming with them. If we agree that they are the guys that don't know what reddit is, necessarily. Yeah, sure. Yeah.

And they go in net positive. Okay. But also some of them know the reddit. And yeah, those are fucked up. Genuinely sad Club Penguin is gone. Okay, okay, okay. So I put this one in. So these are the people that they swear Club Penguin

was so fun. Oh. And so, did you guys hear it's closing down forever? It's like, you weren't playing it. No one was playing it. That's why it's going away. This is also- No one plays it.

This is also the person, this is the same, they're actually the same guy. Do you get, the title is deceiving, this is the same guy. The person who deceiving, this is the same guy. The person who's still talking about neopets in 2025. And how much fun neopets is that? Give it up! Shut it.

Give it up! It's fine. It can be gone and we can still think it was cool. Once again, I'll stop you here because it's the hottest girl you can think of who's doing that right now. So chill on that. And she works at Applebee's. And she's wearing an Invader Zim t-shirt.

Oh my god. And she chewed the fucking pigment out of the sleeves. And she chewed a thumb hole in her Volcom hoodie. And she cheated on her last boyfriend. Yeah, in Discord. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, this person is... Well, you sound like you have contempt.

Yeah, this person deserves to be in the W.A.C.K. playlist because I think that they... I think they're the type of person who believes there's nothing cool anymore. Yeah, they're only interested in their own nostalgia. They're only interested in the idea of someone else finding their own nostalgia interesting and worth talking about and to be revitalized. Because you know what? If it was cool and we all liked it, it would just... their own nostalgia interesting and worth talking about and to be revitalized because you know what if it was cool and we all liked it it would just it'd make money for someone and it would still be around.

As someone who loves Club Penguin and got really into it and min-maxed the shit out of it when I think about that game actually now it sucked. It's a terrible game. I've never played it so I don't have context. I played Club Penguin and there's something undeniably cool about it. Aesthetically it's really cool. Aesthetically yeah. Like when you played it as a kid it was have context. I played Club Penguin and there's something undeniably cool about it. Aesthetically, it's really cool. Like when you played it as a kid, it was amazing. You're walking with people and you're talking to them.

It's crazy. There's so many cool things about Club Penguin. But I think that the possibilities with CP are endless, is really what I'm trying to say. Sorry. You know what's funny is like... So people do lament the death of CP. As much as we have beaten that joke, they called it that in the community and in publishing

for the game. So it was borderline official that it was... It was borderline official CP. Sanctioned CP. And the kids bought to it. And the kids wanted to be involved. I'm sorry. And you found a way to break the joke.

No, no, no. He bailed. If he kept going. I'm sorry. And you found a way to break the joke. No, no, he bailed. If he kept going. I actually pulled my parachute there. I pulled my parachute.

The problem is not that I don't think Club Penguin is cool. The problem is that the person who is clinging on to stuff like that, they're just so annoying. I think that makes a lot of sense. I think you had a great argument and I agree. Yep. Wack playlist. I'm fine with that. I never played it. That's fine. I'm fine with the placement.

Yeah, let's leave it there. Oh, Osu! Player. I've separated it from Rhythm Gamer because I do think it's a type of person. They're different. I do think they're different. Look, could I be blunt with you? Please. They're weird. They're weird people.

I've never met somebody who's really into Osu, really into Osu, who's normal. Not one. It's true. But the one person I can think of immediately is Goody. Yeah, Goody Osu is her Twitch name. Right. So she was like, it's funny because she plays Fox, too. And that's what Josh always says. Like, she just wants to fucking press buttons. She cannot stop herself from doing it.

The saving grace of Osu is that it is so difficult. Yeah. And something that hard, I just have to respect someone who's grinded it and got that good. But their smell is peeling the paint off the walls. Goodie doesn't smell bad. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

hold on, hold on, I'm gonna pull this back. I'm gonna pull this back. I want you to think about, I want you to on, hold on. I'm gonna pull this back. I'm gonna pull this back. I want you to think about Melee. I want you to think about Melee community, the community that we love so much. And it's a little weird. It's a little weird, right?

Yeah, it's a little weird. But we've kind of, I would say, we've ironed out the edges a bit because you have to show up in person and participate and be a functioning member of society. If Melee was only online, it would be Osu's community and it would be weird. Wow. This is something I haven't really confronted. And I think that you bring up a really good point. What does this make them? Does this make them enemies or friends? I don't know if weird means like, I don't think I'd put them on a WAC playlist.

Here's the problem is like weird will often lean into socially, maybe annoying. It'll lead into like, to be to be conventionally weird is sometimes interesting and cool and sometimes just weird in a way that's uncomfortable. And it's you just have to share that designation. There is like like speed running community is weirdos. But yes, weirdo positive where I'm like, yeah, well, it depends. It also depends. I guess it does depend. You know, there's I think a ton of people speed run who are fucking weird and they like would suck to talk to.

And then there's a ton of people at speed run who are. But also speed run. Some speed run communities are just the low tier main. And they're doing it in, like, they're finding glory in a niche speedrun. It's the same thing. Dude, that's like Miles playing Jackie Chan's Stuntmaster. And being the only guy who can beat another Brazilian guy. It's so interesting.

This game also sits in a unique place in my mind and the people who play it, because I think for years I knew people who were osu! players, but I did not know, and I'm not kidding, this probably went more than five years like this, did not know what the game was or what it looked like. I didn't know anything about it. I only understood the game through the people who said they were osu! players. That's important. That's context.

And I think I would put them in harmless. In harmless. They just annoy me. But the game is so hard that it's beautiful that they're so good at it. So I just have to respect it. OK, I'm good with harmless. The Nintendo beta. You call it the Nintendo.

All right. So we've already we we were coming back to the well on this one because fuck man. Me and Aiden hate this guy. I don't know about you. Maybe you have I want to hear you guys talk about you love Super Mario. So I think that you're actually love Mario. It's not about Mario and you know, it's not we actually covered this guy in

the last tier list episode as its own guy in general. So this is different from the Zelda man. This is the Nintendo guy. He is just so he has- He's the Wojak. He is the Wojak. He has the amiibos. He has the Funkos. He's watching every direct. He's so fucking ripped about the direct, bro. He's so pissed, bro. He's tweeting at Nintendo on Twitter. He's excited about the direct, but then angry about the direct every time.

And it's been years. Yeah, this cycle seems to never end. His salt and pepper shakers are like a red mushroom and a green mushroom. And he bought them on like arcade one up calm when he went to Japan The one time in his life and he came with about four thousand dollars He came back with two suitcases full of slop. Yeah, the Nintendo world And he has he has a bathroom rug of Mario's face cuz he just had to get it of Mario's face because he just had to get it. So this guy is such a...

And he's like when he goes to the mall, he has to stop in Hot Topic because he's like, honey, look, mushroom mints. These are cute. Also, that's the thing. It's not just that. It's about how he's also excited about how Final Fantasy IV got dropped on the Wii Shop channel. It's literally, it's every piece of slop

that Nintendo will drop into his mouth, and he licks it, and he licks it off. Anything they put off the fucking Krispy Kreme glaze printer from the Nintendo factory, he will either accept fully or be severely angry about it. And there's no in-between. All his me's are like 20 pounds less than he really is in real life. He has like no joke, like 7K hours in Mario Kart.

Because the game's been out that long. But he sucks at Mario Kart, dude. He has 7K hours, but he's not good. And he bought all the DLCs. Yeah, he can play as Link now. He plays Link now. Now Link's in the game now, because he's Link now in the game now. I think it's just, there's a difference between the Nintendo fan who...

Does the Nintendo beta, this is an important distinction I think we should make. Yes. Does the Nintendo beta believe in pirating? Or are they... No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because Nintendo hates pirating. And they're the guy who's on Twitter literally saying, just buy the game. They made the game. You can't talk to a mangaka that way.

I always have felt like the guy on Twitter is someone who like doesn't play these games and is just like a logic man whatever and that the Nintendo person is like they want to get their hands on any like they have ROMs, they emulate. It's tough. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He can go in a way. These guys are consumers.

That's their problem. He can go both ways. He can go both ways and that's... These guys are, they're consumers. The beta is... They want to buy. He simultaneously the guy who is ex... He wants to pirate because he's angry at Nintendo,

but he's so desperate to pirate what they don't sell because he's such a big Nintendo fan, or he could be a purist who has to own every game on every console in its correct form. And it's... I think I just come back. I come back to it in my head. Still, we filmed that episode two and a half years ago. And I think about it.

The way I sum him up is he he gets excited when Octopath Traveler comes on in the direct. And I just I don't know how to connect with that guy it's like I connect with a lot of people in my life and I just yeah he's wearing so funny cuz you connect with most people I know you'll famously use a translate app to talk to your uber driver and this guy you can't oh this is this guy's sick though play that shit spin that shit This guy's sick though. Play that shit. Spin that shit.

Oh, this. Do you know the song? Do you know who this band is? No. Oh, it's falling in reverse? This is Ronnie Radke. No fucking way. Yes, that is a large part of why this is hilarious. That is sick. The unironic version of this guy is kind of the Nintendo beta in my head. 100%. Yeah. To wrap it up, there is an arrogance to this person and a over-defense of the Nintendo and the IP and all these things.

I think they love to come at Nintendo, but then when somebody else comes at Nintendo, they're like, then they got a problem. So what are they? Jail. Put them in jail. I'm fine with that. I hate Nintendo. Like, yeah, they're like, they're as bad as a cheating person cheating.

Because ultimately, I think Nintendo games are so amazing that it's like, can't knock the hustle. It's like a valve truth or. Sure. But but you also don't need to defend. It's like you can let the bad games. All right. Minecraft Roblox can let the bad games. Bad. All right. Minecraft Roblox kiddo.

The Minecraft kiddo. These guys. So these guys are going to be these guys. One of them is going to be the president. I I was going to say that I was going to say I would be careful what we say here, because in 20 years time, when the laws change, I would like to be free. Yeah, I would like to not be put in a gulag and made to work.

So, yeah, the I don't. The problem is, I don't know much about the Gen Alpha, right? That's what they are now. I don't hang out with kids. I saw a kid wearing a shirt. I went to a taco place two days ago. I saw a kid wearing a creeper and it said Game Over. And I was like, that's awesome.

That's timeless. That was that was that's just the coolest. I was in Target when I was growing up. He bought it. He begged his mom at Target and she was like, well, yeah, it's clothes. You need those. And it's something you like. I don't have to fight with that. Awesome. Yeah.

I mean, I think, OK, here's an argument for them being net negative is Minecraft and Roblox and there's a lot of slop and especially with AI now, like Roblox has become a way for like kids to make money and like learn how to hustle, which I think is actually kind of damaging to the idea of being a kid. I think making a cool mod because you thought it was fun and then is cool, but then making a Roblox game because it can get to the top of the list and then like you become some sort of like weird mogul because of it is not good. How about this? Roblox is making kids funnier.

Do you think so? Oh, definitely. Yeah. Cause they're shitposting at a fucking unprecedented age. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. And they're consuming shitposts.

And that makes their, their sense of humor sharper over and over. We found a way to make shitposts make sense to kids and so they get funnier way sooner. I think you've appealed to something very important. My general impression of these two specific games is I feel like of anything you could be playing, the way you get to like build and make decisions in these games and be creative is just good. You get and make decisions in these games. Be creative.

It's just good. You get to be creative in these games. Listen, if you are a Minecraft, Minecraft has been responsible for I think a very, a very recent scar on society, which has been SM Peers. And I think that to be responsible for such. But the Minecraft, see the Minecraft player, the kid who's playing Minecraft is very different than the Minecraft YouTube SMP fan.

SMPers are so lucky to have made Jay Schlatt because they made such a big pile of slop in the process. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He came out of the factory like like Watchmaker Universe. Like, it's crazy that all the pieces fit together somehow. And he's like, he's funny and like normal. Minecraft is the game kids play on the iPad at Chili's. Like, it's different.

They're not playing it, they're watching it. All right. I think they're net positive then. You know, you got to hand it to them. Just like ISIS. They're potentially... No, they're not gaming legends. And they're not harmless.

Because they will harm us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That positive. Speedrunner. These guys... Oh, I have a question. I have an important distinction. Are we talking about people who they speedrun, like a game,

maybe a couple games that they like or they the FGC Globetrotter and they get a little into this game get a little into that game but they never they never say whatever dominates the majority so it's probably the second one I mean okay look I played I played neon white a lot and I like grinded a time for one level, the Clock Tower, and it was really fun. Am I a speed runner? I would say no.

I think speed runners are like, that's the content they consume, that's the games they play. They play games that have speed run categories. You've got to be a little more diehard then. I would argue that they are either harmless or net positive because they probably support the speedrunning community, which is like awesome. Yeah, I think I think at the end of the day, they're just heads. They're just insane, hardcore heads. And even if they're trying to low tier some shit or like Globetrot,

they're doing something that takes just an insane amount of rote work. And maybe we put them in that positive because at the very top, the speed runners who are creating the biggest speed run content, it's some of the most awesome content about gaming. I'll go harmless. You don't want to give them that positive. No, I wouldn't say that. You don't think ZFG is net positive.

That's crazy. You want to say that to his face, but that's not the guy. You wouldn't say it to his face. I'm saying they're harmless. But if you include all of the popular ones, it shifts it up. But couldn't that apply to so many of these categories? No. Speedrunning also, it's just melee. It's just fragmented melee.

It's the same obsession. We talked about this in an old episode. Yeah, we did. I think they're net positive because they're just a mirror of what we've heard. I think they're the very bottom of net positive. Okay. They're a mirror of what we love heard. I think they're the very bottom of net positive. Okay. They're a mirror of what we love. Alright.

I'm good with that. PC purist, ugh. Yeah, PC purist, like, oh my god, you console game. I, okay. Level. These guys are cunts. I have a question because maybe this is the, maybe more a sign of how I have changed the way I consume like online media, but in like 2010 2010s, in high school, maybe in college,

this was a really pervasive person on the internet. It was very easy to find the PC gamer. I don't feel like I actually see this guy very much anymore. I'm not saying to change where he goes. Is this guy kind of dying out? No, I actually think they haven't died out. It's that It's become like it's become more polar Like I think the in the transitionary period where like console gaming was turning into PC gaming and people there are some people who?

Got it, and they were like it's higher quality. It's better graphics. It's whatever you're stupid. You haven't caught up yet now It's like console gaming is very much this type of person Now, it's like console gaming is very much this type of person, and PC gaming is very much this type of person. And they don't need to fight because they're not sharing the same space anymore. Yeah, they're not competing against each other in the same cultural way. Maybe not in the same way. I feel like the way it happens now is like it'll be in like war zone. It's like, oh, you're a controller or like a console player.

And that's funny though, because you have to see. The game tells you who your audience is. If you force them into a box, they're piranhas. They just kill you. But they don't get in the same box very often. So the PC gamer guy was based on the idea, historically, that these games look better, and they control better, and they're more in tune with being a gamer.

And a console, you're just given the machine and that also has evened out in a technological level because a PS5 is very strong and powerful and you can play Elden Ring at 60 FPS and you just buy the PlayStation and it's valid. Console gamers are more valid these days so that the lines have become thinner between these guys as well. So what that means is to be a PC purist today on this planet Earth in the year of our good Lord is way more cringe

because you're grasping onto an idea that was already being elitist and now you're arbitrarily elitist for even more arbitrary reasons. I think it's gatekeeping. It's gatekeeping the magical world. I think it's gatekeeping. It's gatekeeping the magical world of video games. But gatekeeping is awesome. We've been doing that this whole time. But to gatekeep having a fucking computer,

there is a level of that where it's like, OK. And I again, I think playing console shooters is fucking stupid. A mouse all the way. I'm fine with whack playlist My place is settle with this. That's fine. They don't preserve jail. We kind of need them Yeah, I think I think whack playlist is good. All right racing sims. Okay, so this is the person who who has the setup Like this is the person that like like I don't know if you guys have seen like pictures of these but like they have like They sit on the ground and

And their monitor is like low It's like it's like it's like almost on the ground too And then they have a wheel and they have the full racing sim kit and that's kind of all they play They just play games like that. I remember seeing some at 1g have a setup It was like the ultimate racing sims that was like nine grand and he's like in this like what looks like a mall massage chair yeah yes yes they always have these a crazy expensive fucked up gear yeah yeah this is like a there's a there's a broader version of this guy it's like Microsoft flight simulator guy it is like that do we have

them in here no we don't have that one okay but they're basically the same okay yeah the sim guy well the flight SIM guy is also extremely different because those guys are just pilots that didn't go to school. Like they have the same mentality of like, you know, like your dad's autistic. He just is. Right. So they have the same like I need to operate a machine that I can control with all these cool buttons. I need to fake operate the machine that I would lose in the Indian Ocean

So nobody would ever be able to find it. The question is, we kind of turn into old boomers when we say this, it's like why not just go buy a car? Why not just go ride a car? That's why it's fine. To me. To me, this person is basically, it's like a person who buys a snowboard, but rarely goes snowboarding, or buys like a jet ski and almost never uses it. It is fun and they like it a lot,

but they spend a bunch of money making this crazy setup for something that is fun. And it's like but they're not as it's not like they're using it every day. They're not gamers. They're not really gamers. They're like hobbyists. They're hobbyists. Yeah. They might as well be building little ships. The reason why I believe they're net negative is because I think they make us look like dorks. I think if you go on reddit and you type in gamer you're gonna see a guy who's got a setup like

this. He's like check out my setup. You think that's what you see? It's one of gamer, you're going to see a guy who's got a setup like this. He's like, check out my setup. That's what you see? It's one of the ones you can use to make fun of them. It's the people who are posting the setup of their Goon Cave that has the racing build and they're like, check out my awesome build. And then they end up on fucking modern day funny jumps. On bars and bar stool. And then you see it's like top five most expensive gaming setups

and the normies think we're dorks. Maybe no. I, okay, that's, that's where I diverge here because I think this person is more often a normie than not. The normie is the type of person to buy this setup. The problem is they don't fit in either box. They don't fit in the gamer box. And they don't fit in the normie box. They're doing something weird. So they're just this like, this fucked up version that makes everyone mad. Well, if they're in a box, they don't fit in the normie box. They're doing something weird. So they're just this like this fucked up version that makes everyone mad. Well, if they're in a box, they're harmless. But they don't they don't affect what they affect us by making us look stupid.

So they're net negative. And this is our tealist. And we all we're all settled either way. Net negative. Now you move on. Steam Deck Derek. All right. Steam Deck Derek Steam Deck Derek is it's like okay the switch wasn't good enough for you

But you do want me to watch you play video games in public And yes, I know you have a steam deck I can see that guys will be like Guys and they're gonna be like The group and they're watching me play on my Steam Deck? He... Ah, Steam Deck. Haha, yeah. No, it's the 2TB version. Yeah.

Haha, yeah. Okay, bye. Any game. He makes me... Any game. Makes me... Makes me groan. He just makes me groan.

I think it's like, ah... You know it's a Steam Deck, Derek. Yeah. That guy right there. No, he's not. You know why? No, he just plays as... To become Derek, it has to leave the house. He brought it to the office.

What about he brings it on planes? I don't think OK, this is the view. This is the same back to play on the couch. This was also the distinction I was making in my head because Ludwig has a steam deck, but he's not really a steam deck. Derek, nice place to play a steam deck. And as a guy, what is that on the wing of a plane? That's a bit of a steam deck, Derek. What the fuck is that Deck. And it's a guy, what is that, on the wing of a plane? That's a bit of a Steam Deck, Derek.

What the fuck is that? No, that's an insane person. I love that. Well, the thing about a Steam Deck is like, gaming is great, but like... It's the guy who's always fucking talking about his Steam Deck. That's where it begins and ends for me.

It's a guy who hates his girlfriend so much that he needs video games when he leaves the house. Yeah, they went on a vacation for a week and he brought his Steam Deck and she was playing. You brought your Steam? Because we can play a board game in the hotel room and you can still get the gaming and he's like, it's different. Can we not have a weekend? Derek.

Derek, please. My name is Kyle. Don't call me Derek. Steam Deck Derek fucking sucks and he's annoying. I think he's just a net negative though. I wouldn't put him in whack playlists. I think he's whack playlists. He's just a net negative.

I think he's whack playlists because once again, there is an arrogance to the guy who has a Steam Deck and that arrogance makes you whack. No. Look at him Aiden. You're over- no no no no no. This guy's gonna kill your child one day by running him over. You're overreaching the negativity that he brings. I want you to look at it.

Look at who's around him. Uh, the low tier main, the voucher. These guys are the same guy. No, they're fucking cringe. Heavy social faux pas from the others. And his steam deck. Derrick pulls it out of the party. And I'm just like, and I'm just like, Derrick, you brought your steam deck. But that's it.

That's the it's a negative. No, you know why, Aiden? Because steam deck, Derrick, you're not steam deck. But that's it. That's the it's a no. You know why? Because steam deck Derek, you're not actually hanging out with him because he steamed up, Derek. You don't give him an invite to basketball because fuck that guy. Of course, everybody gets an invite to basketball. Even you got an invite to basketball.

Damn. And you know, when you say it, you're always should always mad. I you're outnumbered. You're always shit, always mad. I. You're outnumbered. He's blacklist. Move on. No, you're outnumbered. Yeah. And we fucking move on.

Grab the next one. All right. Cod bro warzone only. Yes. This is. Or slash warzone. Cod bro slash the warzone only gamer. Because he.

It's like. He was on our every guy list. He was. He was on our every guy list. And I think he. Here's the problem. Here's the problem. He was. He was on our every guy list. And I think he though. Here's the problem. Here's the problem.

He votes against his own interest. He votes against his own interest. He just does. He doesn't. He thinks that he thinks that the stock market, which he's not really sure what it is. Don't ask me about tariffs. It's going to turn around. He works in an Amazon warehouse, but he doesn't fuck with unions.

It doesn't make any fucking sense. Yeah, yeah. He's just he's just a he's a droid who left to his own devices could probably figure things out pretty well not fuck with gay people no he really doesn't his clan tag is mago oh god he thinks it's lit funny it's lit funny but also Loki yeah and it's like and oh and you know when a girl pops up on the mic, God forbid he's saying some fucking. Hey, baby.

Yeah, it's just a hey, baby. The only the only decoration in his room, I think I've said this before, is the football jersey, a framed football jersey. And maybe like maybe like a whiskey glass that he got, like at the airport. Just a culturally devoid. That says like the says Green Bay Packers. Yeah on it. He would be is it okay? Here's a good question. Does he listen to the new Cardi? No, it's mumble rap to him. Yes, okay. It's mumble rap the Codro is like do with the fuck you this shit's fucking and And then he throws on Eminem he does think Eminem is fucking tight fucking love music is not like that anymore either It's lost. Oh this guy drops now and he's still into it. I I mean I it's funny how we kind of if he's death penalty

The only the positive thing I'll say about him though is it blows my mind I had I've told the story before, but I had this experience in middle school where the best Call of Duty Quickscoper at my middle school was this jock. There's a dude in my school who was a jock. And I'm like, how is he both? How is he both a jock and good gamer? And Cod bros, they find a way. They find a way to be both jocks and also like

80 input per minute gamers. Yeah. I mean, some of them, some of them are, you know, they're they're just as they're built like the rest of us. I think he might be he might only be a net negative. I don't I'm at war. Because feel least whack playlist if not jail because there's a there's a tinge of of authenticity to him that well, what about what about when what about when Bo's said take a picture of your teeth and posted on Twitter with the flash on because that came from the mind of a cod bro. They have they have an unbelievable ability to insult. Yeah, they have a creativity that's

because they have to adapt. They're like a they're like they're like Mercer. They're they're like a bacteria that's like immune to modern medicine. They they can just hurt you in ways that people have never been hurt before. They would kill Napoleon.

Despite everything, they persist with words alone. And that to me is kind of beautiful. So I think they're in that negative, but I don't want them to go away entirely. Because they're kind of like clowns. Yeah, you know what? That's a great... Because I think face banks is fucking lame.

But man, would it be sad if you were like not around Here's the thing. Yeah would you know what? This is this is my little little difference maker is all the people in whack playlist. I don't really want to talk to them But this guy I'll chop it. You're interested at least. Chop it up. You're curious. I'm curious and cod bro Yeah, that's a good way to put it. I'm not curious about Steam Deck Derek. No. He said everything he needs to say. No, he's more, he wants me to be curious and I won't be.

No, he wants me to be curious about his Steam Deck. Mm-hmm. That's good, okay. Blockchain gamer? Blockchain gamer. Does this exist? Yeah, yeah, that's just death penalty. Death penalty.

Death penalty, move on. Death penalty, move on. Okay, don't even need to have the conversation. Okay, Discord poison or the Cord nuker? This is the conversation. Okay, Discord Poison or the Chord Nuker? This is the person who inevitably is the reason you make the new Discord. Because you don't wanna kick them from the Discord, it's too computational.

So you make the new Discord, you invite the people you actually wanna play with, the new Discord is formed, you have to get rid of the legacy of the old one, it sucks for a while, and then the new one becomes the new one, and then it happens again later. It just happens again. Someone dates someone that invites someone. And then the new one becomes the new one. And then it happens again later. It just happens.

Someone dates someone that invites someone. And now the discord nuclear is here. Oh, God. He's the reason the Amon Game and Center exists. Amon Game and Center is a cruel, but just wasteland. But proven in its value, utilitarian, not a kind or a warm place. It's not kind, nor is it cruel. It exists.

It's the needle that injects the vaccine. I think they deserve jail. The reason why I don't think they need to be death penalty is because surely there's a discord that they do fit in like they're somewhere at some level. There's people I hope they find it. I hope they find it. So they're not in my aid and it won't be mine.

It won't be my value my time and my energy. I think jails good. they're not in mind. Aidan, it won't be mine. It won't be mine. I value my time and my energy too much. I think jail's good. I think it makes sense. One last note was, I forgot. Oh yeah. 30% of all the advice questions we ever answer are about how to deal with a guy like this. Yeah, a lot of them are. So many questions are about this.

We have someone in our friend group who is like, they're racist on the call. I don't know what to say. It's like, yeah, all right. That's fine. Table slammer, the table slammer or the baby rager or the this is the person who gets so mad at games. They get this is the difference between always shit, always mad. Is this person is a vibe ruiner. This is a person that you straight up just can't play games with

because they ruin the vibe. So not anybody that slams a table. No, no, no, no. Hold on there. You don't get out of this one. Just you don't slither your way out just yet. Now I fit into this category in when we used to play melee. I think I was a table slammer.

Yes. One of the only people I've had throw a controller at one of my setups. At one of your setups? Yeah. You threw a controller when we played. Who cares if it was your setup? I'm saying in my matches. That's at...oh.

No, no, not my setup. Like at my setup. The one I'm playing at. Like, one of the only people who's thrown a controller while we're playing. I thought you were on some like, and it was my TV too. I've slammed a table before. Haven't you people ever heard of? I've done it and you heard the forks bounce off the table.

It's like, what do you got? Dude, Kyle slamming his shit and hearing the cereal falls through his cell is classic. Because sometimes it's funny. But this guy, I think, is... I don't know if I'd go jail, but... Yeah, this guy, I think is. OK, if I go jail, but this lady's like a list, like playlist. Yeah. Now it's you. Amy, it's you.

And you slam the table and you slam the table. Oh, I slayed the table. I've slayed the table in my day. How do you feel about that? Uh, I'm evaluating it based on the parameters we've described. And I don't think... And I've found zero wrongdoing. And I don't think, uh, in...

I don't think I fit the description of what this person means. He's a table slammer. I'm a table slammer. You're a table slammer. Wait, oh, he said I'm one... I'm not a table slammer. I've slammed maybe one or two tables in my day. You've slammed a table! Because it's not about. I'm not a table slammer. I've slammed maybe one or two tables in my day. You've slammed a table. Because it's not about a table slammer. I just wanted to see how it felt.

It's about does your anger decimate the vibes to a point that people don't want to play games with? I've never table slammed. I've never table slammed outside. I've only done it alone. Like Rocket League ones is like the only time I've done that. You know, the vibe thing, I forgot about that. I don't think you're a table slammer in the vibe department. I think if it's I think it might be jail.

I have been at like I've been that person in my life in a moment. But I'm in that prison. It's not jail because it's like this person you don't want. You don't invite to play games. You don't want to play games with them. But like you hope that if they make us mad they're adjacent I think they're like a slightly better version of discord poison person because It's not that you don't mind them in like normal social you actually probably like hanging out with them

We like them But when you tag like hey any CSers in the chat you hope to God They say yes, you actually just go idle Yes, and you go ah I've got to go to the church store with my girl Alright, um wack playlists is good. Whack whack whack Sports only sports only the Madden the FIFA 2k 2k game They well listen to Carti's album. They did listen to Cardi's album, and they got some thoughts.

The Venn diagram of Cardi album listeners and sport circle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's going to be my one time. What? And we're going to put sports only in death penalty. Oh, my god. Because it is unimaginable to be the person that buys FIFA and Madden

and plays only those games and buys the new one every year. It is unimaginable to me that you could be that person. Have you played NBA 2K Create a Character Mode? I have seen people play it and it looks like a good time. Have you seen the parts where you can decide which brand deal to take? Which brand deal to take? Like brand, which brand deal to take? Like Gatorade comes up to you. That is awful.

And then you're bench pressing. And dude, they kind of, they kind of fucking cooked. They kind of cooked. He uses one time, bro. I'm putting sports only, a death penalty. I've never, we can talk about it, but he uses one time. I tried, we can move on. I've never had an ounce of fun playing them.

I do not understand why people play them. It's like, bring a little joy into your life and play anything else. Yeah, next one. We'll tell that to Flyt. As someone who likes playing sports. Oh, speaking to... Courage.AD, one time, one time jail.

One time jail, one time jail, one time jail. One time jail, one time jail. Courage.AD, one time jail. All right. Wow, back to back. Excellent, that was so fast. All right, League Rot jail. One time jail, one time jail. Courage, JG, one time jail. All right. Wow, back to back. Excellent, that was so fast. All right, League Rotter.

League Rotter, oh man. All right, the League Rotter. This is the- Is this Shake? Not the A-Rammer. Yes, but Shake actually is League Rotter positive. It's still like grossly pathetic, but it's like, but like like shake the league router is like yeah

sensor this Don't sensor this Zeke This is the person who has played league for such a long time and they they're like, oh dude least the worst game ever Don't play it and it makes it's the worst game It's the worst worst worst waste of time ever. But they still play it. But they never quit. And they boot it up and they rip games and they're miserable.

And they just, they never stop. The league rotter in my head is the guy you interviewed and uploaded. Oh God, yeah. Like that is the worst version of him. That is the worst, that's the bottom of the bill. And I'm not saying they're all like that, but it's within the scope of the barrel. And I'm not saying they're all like that, but it's it's within

the scope of that category is like the person is doing exactly what Nick said and they are undeniably sad to some degree and in some form because they continue to play League. So actually, I think that the key thing you pointed out here about the League Rotter, which makes them definable in this tier list is the flagellation and the negativity about being a guy who plays League. And what's important, let's make an important distinction. Who's not a League Rotter who plays a lot of League?

Miles. Miles. Miles actually talks like, here's why I like the game. Here's why I don't like the game. But he's very honest with those feelings. He has a glimmer in his eye when he talks about League. He's like, that character is really fun. He truly loves the game. And so he can't quite be a rotter because there's a pleasure there that he's finding. He also makes his league stories funny. They're not just miserable one-sided. He's not just telling me his dream. And this guy was just fucking unemployed for like 30 minutes.

Yeah, stuff like that. So, I think that they're better than the A-Rammer Because I think at least they fucking play the game. They have some of the anime racist DNA in them. They really do. It's not I'm not saying outright, but they also have an addiction man. Well a Rotter can also be I mean we love Zeke We love him and he if he's you know, considered a League Rotter He hasn't played in a while, to be fair to him. Zeke's also an A-Rammer, honestly. I misspoke. That's my slime. I'm sorry.

So I guess it's... I think Wack Playlist is fine. Wack Playlist is fine. Because jail has to be different. I respect them more than the A-Rammer because they are playing League of Legends. They're buying items and they're CSing. Nah, they're not going to Disneyland to eat the fucking churros and the hot dogs. They're going on rides.

They're going on rides. Exactly. I don't care that you're Disney adult, it's pathetic, but you're going on the ride. At least you go on the fucking ride. You play the rides that you made. All right. Goon and Goonette. Goon and Goonette.

I imagine them as Toad and Toadette from Paper Mario. Yeah. But they are the the gals and the guys and gals who are playing video games purely for sexual pleasure and to beat off. Dating sim players. Dating sim. Anything with bouncing breasts. Honkai star rail. Or awesome thick bulges or animals with bulges or This is include like second life RPing kind of like jerk off goon like fucking nasty sesh Like a little bit criminal criminal if you're in the right server it really does

It has a strong ERP and Goldshire says zipper zipper knows game Yeah, I think if you I think if you're a per It's like like... I think if you circumcise your Sims character and you're white, you're a gooner. And I... I think that if you've had close-up detailed VR sex in Second Life, you're a gooner. And I think if you've beat off to any kind of Japanese crafted pixel, you're a gooner.

What if you have like... Now hold on. Oh, whoa. Now... They didn't come from a camera. Oh! Now let's go and then let's go and hold on a second. Hold on. Some of them said fine crafted Japanese material.

Does the gooner... Let's say someone only plays dating sims, but they've never ejaculated. Are they chubbed? Are they a gooner? Are they chubbed? Are they a gooner? Yeah, they're a gooner. Okay. Yeah, there's two afraid to come in name more than like four dating sim games. It's it's Wait, what do you mean? If you can even name more than five games in that genre? There there are 700 million sure we all know about Doki Doki. Mm-hmm It's the ones that you don't know about, the scary ones.

I, okay, okay. Potential Doki Doki spoiler. Just to say this. I don't know if it's a spoiler, it kind of is. I, so many people talk about Doki Doki. And they talk about the plot twist. They talk about the genre mix. And I was like, I gotta try Doki Doki, everyone talks about it. I hate dating sim genres so much. I couldn't get past the point before whenever it turns into like an interesting game.

So I never got to the point people talk about. I just played the part where you're in a dating sim because I just couldn't stand doing it. I just left. That's all I'm lying. It was too much friction for me. Neon White is an amazing game that I love, but it has like probably like a hundred thousand words of dating sim that you have to click through. And you know that the first screen that showed up, and it's voice acted by fucking Steve Blum, and the first screen, That's crazy. He's Samuel L. Jackson. You want me to bust in your pussy? And I'm like, you know what? Click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, you know what? Click, click, click, click, click, click. I just I didn't see I didn't read a single fucking word.

And it's a beautiful game. Anyway, people who listen to the Yarr on 2X. Good and good at Gounette. I think they're jail. I think they're fucking gross because why not just like, I think jerking off to porn is pretty normal. If you're I think it's just normal. And if you make it, we all be if you make it like this thing,

that's like your entire personality and like it seeps into like your hobbies and your like playtime and stuff. And it's like, yeah, maybe you're like a kink person. Sure. I mean, I'm just vanilla. So maybe it's hard for me to hear me out. It's just too much. Hear me out. Gaming legend. Hear me out. It's just too much. Hear me out. Gaming legend. Let me explain. They took, they made, they took all of the, they took all of the damaging aspects of pornography

away and they found a way to ethically beat off. No, no, not at all. I think this person- They found a way to ethically beat their shit, Aiden, And no one's being hurt in the process. Everyone's winning. Nick is so wrong, because I know some people like this, and they're not... They're not ethically beating off. They're not... Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Dark, twisted corridor. I've met people like this, it's like... You play the... You do the ethical beat-offs, and then you clock into your night shift, and you do that unethical beat-offs They're double if you do both if they're doing that kind because I know what kind you mean Yeah, I take back that they're not gaming legends But I just think that gaming legends the highest honor you can describe so I think it's crazy Maybe they're just too sexually deviant. Yes, it's just too big. I think that's it

It's they go to jail where they fucking belong and they can learn a jerk-off from thinking about stuff like a normal Maybe they're just too sexually deviant. Maybe it's just too big of a risk. I think that's it. They go to jail where they fucking belong. And they can learn to jerk off from thinking about stuff like a normal person. Yeah, that's fine. But put them above Courage JD. It's just, there's a little... And put Courage in the cell with the gooners. Alright, next one.

Michael Transaction. Michael Transaction? It's like a whale? Every single game that has the ability to pay for things They do they only open counter strike to open cases They pay they have so much money in Pokemon fucking card cracking games. They like they this is Michael transaction He is spending so much money on games that are purely Cosmetic boosts and the problem is he's often not wealthy.

He's usually not rich. No, no, because if he was good with money, he's usually like, I'm not going to put it there. But I think isn't Mr. Beast a Michael transaction? Uh, yeah. Yeah. All right. Um, this guy, I mean, it's hard.

I don't think I'd ever using the rubric of would you ever talk to this guy? I think I would, you know, negative. This is might be one of those like harmless. No, this guy's this guy's supporting all of gaming with his personal bank. He's supporting shit games that suck is on. Ironically, he's the dude who is unironically, he's the dude who he is the dude who is keeping free to play games alive. He's the reason that all the other people can play for free because that's a good point. Isn't it funny how free to play games, most people end up paying more than the price of the game?

Yeah, absolutely. That's hilarious. That's just that psychology. It's been a Michael and all of us. But there's a lot. There's the bulk of people who play for free to play games or aren't ultimately aren't spending like an extraordinary amount of money on it, right?

They're not paying enough to if everybody was like the base level free to play user if everybody was they wouldn't make enough money to run the game. Yeah, you're right. They're necessary. They are necessary, but it depends also on the how well the company is willing to give you the free to play experience. Like, Princess CSGO is good because you can play the whole game for free.

Is Michael Transaction... Is Michael Transaction a gaming legend? Is Michael Transaction also the reason that the systems that can abuse the gambling part of your brain exist in the first place? Michael Transaction is a double edged sword. But he's a net positive because of what you said, for all the non-Michaels, they get huge benefits. Michael Transaction exists so a kid can play Fortnite for free.

But that kid, because Michael Transaction is this, is also susceptible to buy exactly the youngboy Dance Pack. So how do I evaluate that cost and that benefit? That's tough. You have to do it for yourself. Well, is gaming good? Yes. Then it's a net positive. Net positive, easy.

Done deal. FPS only. Only plays FPS games. Only FPS guy. This was almost me, I'd say. I played a lot of FPS games. Only FPS guy. This was almost me I'd say. I played a lot of FPS games. But then you know, Smash saved me. Yeah, yeah.

Smash saved me. It brought me out. I played other games. And you're guillotine. And my guillotine drive de Mario karts. Um, that. Okay, here's my case. I thought at first, maybe this is harmless.

But I think this person is a net negative. Because I think the pervasiveness of this person and the popularity of FPS games on the whole have kind of sucked a lot of the joy out of new games getting made. Especially at the

AAA budget level. I think a lot of like, like picture this. Some gaming announcement, E3 equivalent thing is going on. Like, I don't know, PlayStation does their big show. And then they're like, and now one more new PlayStation exclusive title. And they like announced some crazy game. It's always some reskinned Destiny ass looking FPS game. And that's so many big games.

I don't know. I watched some gameplay of tens playing it and I was just like, can we stop? Can we stop with this nonsense? And Valorant. Look, they did it. They did it pretty crazy, right? They made it. You saying they made a new one. They made a did it. They did it pretty crazy, right? Just they made it.

They made it. You saying they made a new one. They made a new one and they did it pretty well. So that's the thing. I think it's just I think them choosing to only play those games has had consequences on the quality and variety of games that are able to be funded and released. Well, how is it their fault if they just like the genre?

And I don't I hate this guy to be fair. Because it's all of the people that buy Madden every year's fault that they get to keep getting away with it. I see okay. Now how is this different from the FGC Tourist or is it? You know what scares me about this guy and makes it a little bit different to me is they can only contextualize the fun of video games through the first person murder of other people. Sure. They've only found the fun in video games when they're holding a gun and shooting it.

And maybe that's why all the school shootings are happening. And it's probably, it probably is a one to one correlation. Home of AR-15, Home of Kids in the Grave. That's a fucking banger song. The difference between them and the FGC Globetrotter by by the way, is because so many of these games are not competitive games. They aren't games that you play necessarily even in a multiplayer environment. So you're talking about like Destiny where it's like you do like insane dailies every day and it's like a slop treadmill type of game.

A lot of these are story mode or one player or co-op games too. It's the general format that applies across all of these are story mode or one player or co-op games too. It's the general format that applies across all of these things. It's not just the replacement of like, what's this new tack shooter attempt or something like that? I'm with it. I think you brought up a good point that they help perpetuate an industry that is already stagnant by just paying for the new slop. Harmless. You say harmless? Yeah.

You say net negative? I say net negative. I made my case. Why do you think they're harmless? You tie break. Because to me, it's like there's so much cringe you can say about them, but I just, I can't, nothing they're doing is affecting me. No, I agree with that part.

I don't think they're necessarily cringe at an individual or like even as at a group level. I'm saying the consequence of their actions is more clear cut. I think they're a little cringe, that negative. I lose. That's democracy at work. They got to be at the top, though, somewhere, right? They can't be at the very end of that. Dude, that's what the next one is.

Pokemon goer. And I have a quick so I was in little Tokyo eating breakfast. And while we're eating outside of this little cafe, a group of people with multiple phones in each hand and backpacks walks by. It's a small group. Maxers. And then a few minutes later,

a massive group of these people walk by. And I was like, oh my God, Pokemon Go has still got it like that. They're a giant Pokemon Go social events happening. And they're all they all got a backpack. They all got phone chargers. Some of them have most of them, I would say, have two phones in each hand. Two phone. Chad.

Two phone baby Keem. Chad in Australia, he is like he is like the godfather of Pokemon Go out there. He goes with random members of the Australian, like the Melbourne community, and he's like, they don't really know he's a YouTuber. That's sick. Isn't that sick? He's their god-king. Also, guess what just happened?

Saudi Arabia's sovereign wealth fund just bought the game. They bought Niantic? Yeah. Holy shit. Isn't that tight? That's fucking tight. That's dark shit. The oil money is buying Pokemon Go.

Why is Pallet Town covered in oil? Are there any gay Pokemon that should... Not anymore, son! I was gonna say maybe they should change their ID or something like that. Um, well... I put them in separate from MobileGamer because I think they've convinced themselves they're exercising. They are.

No, this is, this is, okay. This is why I think net positive is I can't really, I can't really make fun of a game that ultimately just makes people walk all the time. But I think that I would put them below that. I mean, I would put them in negative because they're so not interesting. There is just like, no, but they're just like, yeah, I play Pokemon Go. So they're harmless, I guess. I don't want to know. Harmless. Yeah, they're harmless.

Sorry, guys, we we love gaming so much. This episode is going insane. Nintendo DS at the Gex show. OK, this is OK. You know what? I love Ringler as my fucking that's my slime. But Ringler was playing, I think, Magic the Gathering on the ground in front of top eight at Genesis like two years ago. And I was like in my head, I'm like, Ringler, get that shit the fuck off the ground. Come on.

Stop it. The performative gamer. The the hey, look, I love Ringler, too. I'm not necessarily talking about Ringler with the Nintendo DS at the Gek Show, but when I, when I see the pictures of the person with their Nintendo DS taking a picture of a concert, but their phone is off camera because it's the camera, taking a picture of their DS, taking a picture at the Gek Show, kill your- Just enjoy Stupid Horse. It's what you came to listen to performative nostalgia, somehow worse than regular nostalgia.

Perform. It's like, I don't need to know you have a Nintendo DS. I don't need to know that you paid 80 dollars at a thrift store this month for that Nintendo DS. No one needs to know you charge it and the battery is wheezing and it's got 10 minutes left. I mean, the same thing is sad. Peng Club Penguin is gone. This is I want to make a quick distinction.

I feel like this is like this would be very different from the person who still carries their 3DS around in their backpack to see if they get street passes. You know what I mean? But what are street passes like street passes are when two 3Ds is like are close enough to each other. You like exchange like me data with the other person. And you get to collect a little passersby,

and you get to see who you met that day. That's cool! I bought a 3DS. And some people still do it. I bought a 3DS to replay the Zelda games, I'm a Zelda guy, and it's such a shitty little device. But that's the thing, it's just like,

it's not for anybody. No, it's not that person. It's for you, it's this for anybody. It's for you. Like, it's this little piece of joy between you and the other three. This one truly has nothing to do with Nintendo DS. This is about, it's about holding it up above your head in public and saying, everyone look at me. I have it. Yeah, it's whack playlist.

It's whack playlist. It's perfectly whack playlist. Put it in the middle. I feel like it's everybody still cracking CS cases on a laptop screen. Yeah, the joke is over. It's like, OK, somebody did it. Yeah. The Flake, let me explain what the Flake is. I wrote this one. The Flake is the last person you want to have in a Baldur's Gate game

or the person who's like, oh, 100 percent, I'm down. Let's do Baldur's Gate. That sounds so fun. And then on day two, they're like, yes, sir. This is fucking funny. Low-key, I don't really want to- or they don't even respond or they never show up and all of a sudden you're playing their fucking character. The Flake is also the person that's like, yo, CS tonight? You're like, yeah. Yep. Tonight comes, they never show up. They never go online. Tomorrow, they're just like, ah, I fell asleep.

The Flake is Alex Smokes Mid. It's Alex Smokes Mid. He is THE Flake. He might as well get a fucking tattoo of Tony the Tiger, bitch. And we need to put him in jail. In jail? Because gaming, when we're almost 30 and some of us, when we're, gaming is a thing that we, unfortunately, we have to start scheduling. We have to be like, this is when I'm going to game because I it means so much to me.

I want to get it in. And when there's someone who doesn't value my time, but they're just going to not show up and ruin the experience for everyone. He wouldn't like jail. No, he'd be popular in jail. He'd be extremely popular. You know what? He'd make a lot of cool friends. My one time Alex, you No, you already used it.

I do, and I'm keeping Alex that smokes mid in jail. Let's put the Flake above A Rammer in jail. Sure. Okay. Achievement Hunter. You know, okay, honestly a sweet story. One of the first guys I ever met through Melee was this guy. He was a Mexican Smash player. His tag is, I think it's, Woker. W-O-K-E-R. He was with another guy from Mexico that came for Evo.

And we like hung out. Me and my friend Eric, I didn't know anybody. He played Samus. He was destroying me. He was the nicest guy. He added me on Facebook. We never ever talked ever, ever again. But he says, Happy birthday every year. Oh my God. And on his Facebook page, he was documenting a hundred percent completing Wii U games. And he's like, ninth, ninth Wii, like it's one of his hobbies is to game like that. But he also like just played mail. He was a good Samus.

And dude, if you're out there, man, I hope you're still fucking completed. I'll just look him up on Facebook later. But it was so cool. And every time he would just update his Facebook wall with playing Wii U games at 100% completion, because that's what he was doing, and it was so charming. Just because he was a cool guy. I think the Achievement Hunters, I think they are gaming legends.

Because I think that they truly want to squeeze all the juice out of the lemon. They really they explore the whole game. They play everything the game quote has to offer. And the developer of the game, when someone's like, you did all of it. That's awesome. You I and they don't harm anyone. They truly don't. Yeah, they love they love gaming. Almost. It's true. It's true.

Yeah, a lot. They love it so much. With 100% of themselves. All of the people that I've met that are like this in my life, and they've never been too like in my face about it. It's like it's usually for them. They definitely can't resist saying 100% of it when they say they played it. They can't resist saying it.

But you earned it. Yeah. Sure. And it's not overt, if that makes sense. It's not. They're they say they played it. They can't resist saying it. But it's not you earned it. Yeah, sure. And it's not overt. If that makes sense, it's not there's a heavy handed. Yeah, there's a feeling to like, for instance, Yakuza zero is a crazy dense game. It's like you just spend like hundreds of hours on the fucking minigames. And someone the other day was talking about like, dude, I spent like 15 hours on the baseball minigame.

And someone else who has done that can be like, brother. Like, it's a trench that you willingly go into. And if you find someone who has also done it, that's huge. Also, if like essence of game, if your like memory card per se were to like stumble into a thrift store and someone were to find it, you would be the most interesting. It would be crazy to look at what you've done with your life. My friend Justin, growing up, he got he had Pokemon blue and red and he got on one cartridge every single Pokemon and had him all level 100

Oh Crazy, it was it was it was insane. He showed me it was maybe he had a fucking game genie game shark I scrolled through it, but I don't know man. He just he didn't seem like a cheat He was really proud he drew Samus and put it on his wall Yeah, he did that shit. You know what he moved to Japan years later. He said he hates women It got weird well he definitely All right next one I'll have what he's having this is the person who only plays what everyone else is playing oh They have no like favorite video games. They're playing what squeaks is streaming right now.

They're playing. They're playing like they're just playing whatever the fuck is the game right now. Here. OK. What a gross little man this is. I think he might be a net positive. If look, if you invented Trick Shot Simulator and then Northern Light picked it up and now thousands of people are buying your six dollar game and making you a fucking millionaire. Yeah, he kind of I think it's and now thousands of people are buying your six dollar game and making you a fucking millionaire. Yeah, he kind of I think it's less about like how he like less about the shame

of catching the trend and more he rounds out the the group. If anybody wants to play something new, he's always there and always down to ride. And I like that. Does he lack the essence of choice? And what if you put into it? What if you put it from slave killer? The game is the awesome game where you kill a slave. Well, if he's having it, I got to try it.

It's it. We didn't say he's a void of morals. Well, maybe he is. If everyone's playing it, XQC just got a brand deal to play slave killer. The game where you kill a slave. You know that you need to have the title be so long because it's kind of in the first part. But they wanted to say it again.

You're having to make up, but you're making up this guy now. You're strained from what this guy actually is. Games like that are never the game that everyone's playing. This person, I think this person. We're on track. This person is just a guy who loves gaming and rounds out your group for anybody, any game idea that anybody has.

And I think that's a good guy to have around. I think I get pissed when I ask people, what's your fucking dream? And they say, I don't know. And it's like, what's your favorite game? And this guy says, I don't know. So fuck you. I think where I agree, although I'd rephrase it,

I think most people don't know what their dreams are. I think that when I say to someone, what's your favorite game? And they're just like a tabletop simulator or like something like kind of they recently found out about. They don't have any like history in gaming they care about. They don't want to prescribe, attribute any like legacy or like, you know, their favorite movies all just came out. They can't think of an old movie they've seen or liked or that meant anything to them.

To me, I'm like, you're a little boring. But I agree with you. I think that they're necessary. Yeah. They support indie gaming. The cost of the... Yeah. Low cost, high benefit. Fine. I think they're bottom of net positive. Fine. I'll give them net positive. The thrower thrower.

I mean, if you play League of Legends, that's me, this is this is not someone necessarily who like this person's included, but it's not just the person who like starts to get tilted and then throws. They are included. To me, it's like the person who cues to throw. They cue to troll. Yeah. Miles has some serious understanding of guys like this

because he plays so much league and he plays on alts himself and he smurfs when he wants to relax. And the person that has just a burner account fresh to go and just runs it down. It really is a person. It is how they extract value from the multiplayer game is that making people upset. And it's really interesting

because I've never known a person like this. They have to go to jail. They have to go to jail because- I think their death penalty, dude. To buy and play a video game that you don't play, you have nothing of value for society. There's nothing about you that is good. I mean, well, there's this like...

There's no belief that you will reform after jail. You'll come out and we'll still want to kill you. There's this joker-esque... Well, to be fair, jail takes their time away from them. And that's what they've been doing the whole time to others. Oh, so that's kind of fair. But also to kill them would feel good. Would feel good to do.

And their blood would explode out of their brain. I think they're... I say death penalty as well. To me, I would say jail because to me, they're akin to like the hacker or the cheater. It's the first question that comes to mind is like, why would you do this? But then the answer is psychological. You want to exert some sort of control

or a desperately attempt to like fulfill... Desperately fulfill a need that you have. I feel like they want to feel some sense of like control and like power over other people. Yeah, it's a good point if we throw hacker in jail We're gonna have to throw throw in jail or we throw them both in death penalty Let's put them next to each other and put thrower under hacker. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, or it's got to be the opposite Sorry, that's fair. I love hacker. Yeah

All right. Okay. I I Shifty capital F capital T under lowercase y 1k subs on YouTube. This is your yeah, this is my daemon. This is your Valorant player probably immortal. Yeah, like has they paid for a banner on Fiverr that says their name and 3D letters and has like awesome blue energy all over it. And it has in the image the names of all their socials, which is the same across. Yeah, he has an Instagram and he has Twitter.

His Twitter actually says an extreme like two viewers. the names of all their socials, which is the same across... Yep. He has an Instagram and he has a Twitter. It's his Twitter. On his Twitter. It actually says an X. Stream to like two viewers. Yeah, yeah. And he streams like, yeah, two to four people. And he's always like talking about like... He's always hashtag small streamer posting. He's also talking to his community.

He's talking to his community. He's like, hey guys. Which is... Live today. Just Pornbots. Mm-hmm. And... And giveaway retweets.

Giveaway retweets and replying to tens and being like, you're actually spitting, dude. He can't commit to do people look at his Twitter or not. He's either retweeting giveaways, which is like no one looks at my Twitter core or saying hey guys at the start of a tweet, which is I have a big community core. These guys are fucking miserable. They're also their gamer tag is it's it's constructed. I know you don't care about gamer tags, but to me,

it's constructed off of elements of what they think a popular gamer is. Like I shifty is like they've seen it so many times that they don't even realize they didn't think of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just like you just take Lego pieces of other people like that and you just cram them. It's like a phonetic salad that makes no sense together. Thank you.

These guys are miserable because they play the game. They probably play a lot. They're better than guys like me. But the irony is that I'm a bad player and people watch me which is, you know, a cruel way to perceive the world. They don't have webcam on their stream. They just have a screenshot of a character from their favorite anime. Like Kaluwa.

No, but if they do have a webcam, because I would, these guys are the guys that kind of invest in the idea and so they'll buy a webcam and we'll have cool overlays and shit. Yeah, they go full overlay. And they look over at the chat and it's just never moving. And look, this isn't a rip at the small streamer. This is a rip at- No, it's hard to make it. It's like they're good enough at games to believe isn't a rip at the small streamer. This is a rip at... It's hard to make it. It's like they're good enough at games to believe they have a chance at being like a

YouTuber, but they have like nothing interesting about them. They're not investing in the idea of actually being entertaining at all. They're trying to coast on the idea that they're immortal. They're hoping that one day they have like branding. Famous. Yes. They're fundamentally misunderstanding the idea of being interested in a streamer. I would like to see this person in whack playlist.

I think the ones I'm imagining are fucking me. I actually want them in harmless. We are so spread apart. Oh, really? There's just troves of them and we don't notice. I mean, 99% of them. That's a good point. I'd be I'd compromise and go net negative on that. What are they? What are they negatively influenced?

My fucking time, I think they feel they they they have the audacity to occupy space on your timeline. But then again, but then again, like an ad as Nick points out, as Nick point, they're like an ad. It's very similar to an ad for a boring guy. Most of them you never see. They're an ad? As Nick points out, as Nick point- they're like an ad. It's very similar to an ad. Yeah, they're an ad for a boring guy. But as you point out, most of them you never see. They're an ad with no product. Most of them you never see, so does that mean harmless?

I think they're harmless because so many of them use- they're trees in the forest. There's so many of them, you just don't even know exist. I'll go harmless on that. Fine. Yeah! But I hate these fucking guys. Uh, alright.

What is this? RuneScapeSkizzo. Oh! These guys, I mean, I think these fucking guys. Uh, alright. What is this? RuneScape Schizo. RuneScape Schizo. Oh. These guys, I mean, I think this is jail. These guys just play RuneScape and they see teeth in the walls and they just, they can't form like natural bonds like a human. What's the difference between a RuneScape Schizo?

And there's like a cape that they're really interested in finding one day. Yes. And it's just crazy. Yes. It's crazy. And you know, I don't know much about runescape, but if you talk to someone who has played it, and they're always talking about numbers in the terms of like millions and millions. Yeah. Yeah, so this cool cape I found cost me 700 million GP. I'm like, that's a high number. I feel like that shouldn't be the way. What's the difference between a RuneScape schizo and someone who played back in the day

and has a lot of nostalgia for it, and when it comes back, they're like, oh, I'm so excited. I'm going to play the remaster, the reboot, old school RuneScape. Let's go. I think that the difference is the schizo has it on all the time. Yeah, you can't disengage from RuneScape. Like RuneScape is a second monitor game. And you see, you put it well, you see teeth in the walls.

Ah, Sanchovis. Yeah. Sancho, yeah. He does that? He dies in League, he tabs out, he plays RuneScape, he goes back. He is never not playing a game. Yes. Liam, when he speedruns Mario, he has a very, very tiny RuneScape window that's always on

in case he fails a run and wants to look at it. I think the RuneScape schizo is the person who has it on while they are playing another game for sure. You can't just play one game at a time. You have to always be playing RuneScape. Yeah. And there are some people that full box RuneScape and those are the true people that are, you know, writing on the walls with their shit.

To me, they're... To me, they're... Oh man, I actually think they're harmless. RuneScape and those are the true people that are you know writing writing on the walls with their shit To me they're oh man. I actually think they're harmless. I think they belong in jail. They're only hurting themselves. I yeah guys That's what I'm thinking is like if you have it You're I want to put death penalty your one time. They're evil. They should be put down like animals Okay, can we agree to put them above rock blockchain? Yes, okay Wow Wow, all right next we have the silent ghost. Okay, so this is the person who's literally good at every single thing they do every game they play But they are just so meek about it void. Void. This is like void. I mean, this is like it's crazy.

I mean, gaming legend. It has to be. You have to be the top of the game. Legend. Are they above or below evil? Above. Above. Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the force for good is more important than the force for evil. Slightly. You know, what's funny is that Tekken has a lot of these guys, like silent goats. And I think as an American, they appear silent because I don't speak their language because they're from different countries. Like me in TechAndys. Oh, yeah. You know, and it's like silent goat. You really need both.

And I think that and this is unfortunate, but this is my real take. If all the goats were evil, it's more interesting than if all the goats were silent and good. I think I disagree. It's just simply better television, brother. I think I want to agree with Aiden. I think silent goat is better because I think when you're a goat and you're evil, it's just like, can't you just be good and not complain? Can't you just not be annoying?

Because you have it all. I think when you think about who the... Oh, maybe this is tough. Because I thought of other examples in the moment that I was drawing that thought. I was like, because the silent goat could be like Shohei Otani right now in baseball. Where he's like beloved, you know, and he's not allowed to speak because he might talk about that gambling shit. He might talk about that shit.

But then I thought about Michael Jordan, the evil goat. Yeah, but not because like Larry Bird. Not because he's like Larry Bird is a bit of the evil goat and And. No, but they bring they just bring a beautiful balance. You know, maybe I know, but like you do, you do. But the question is, I'm asking if it was oops, all evil or oops, all silent. I think if you're all silent, there's nothing bad about you. You're just amazing. You're just you're just you're. I think that is a story that people admire more.

Like that version of the goat is. Lauded. Collectively, it is, but in in contrast to the evil. It just is. No, I don't think so. I think in I think in contrast to ourselves, maybe an example is like maybe Messi and Ronaldo. Ronaldo is kind of the evil goat of the two. Sure. And Messi is the silent goat.

I think we don't compare them to evil. I think we compare them to ourselves because we look at them and we go, if I had what they had, I'd be so annoying about it. And they're so cool. And they're not. And I can't do what they do. And they're not. And that's so crazy.

And or tennis, a better example, I can actual tennis example. Federer Djokovic, Federer Djokovic is the is the good evil go. And I think if people have to pick when given the two, they pick the silent goat. They pick the good goat. Well, it's also like more people enjoy it from a periphery than they do like who are heads, right? Like to understand the beauty of how Arcel and Ash plays is different than like just seeing, I don't know, some boisterous player that is different. You know what I mean? Arcel and Ash existing is more important than the evil Tekken Goat equivalent existing?

I think so too. To the broader narrative and success of the game and community and things like that? When I see Leffen being so good at games, weirdly him being evil, it makes me get why he's good at games more. I see his iron-headed will and his tenacityacity whereas like the silent goat, they're like, they're like, they have aura. You know what it is? It's aura. It's like, whoa.

I don't get it. It's almost. Aura is important. You know what I mean? They have- And if it's oops all aura, you can't really lose. And the evil person has aura sometimes, but a lot of times it's just minus aura.

Punk has hella aura though and he's evil as fuck. But remember, but you see when he crashed out on Leffen? But that's why, ah, but a lot of times it's just minus aura. Punk has hella aura though, and he's evil as fuck. But you see when he crashed out on Leffen? But that's why... Ah, but that's... That was minus aura. Then it's like a... I think that's the thing, right? Is that it can kind of... It's like they need to like, ride or walk the balance beam

of how to be the evil goat, and it can go against or in their favor. Let me provide another example for the silent goat winning. Think about it not in the context of competitive gaming. Think about it in like speed running in like in like dark souls fucking a hundred percenting like the person who's just like quiet and says a kind of funny thing every once in a while. And it's just crazy good. I want that guy more than I want like the guy who's really fucking annoying about the game.

Yeah. And it's like in like is like talking shit in the whole community. And I don't know. But one just edges the other out. One engine. You got to get through this. I think we outvote him. Yeah. But I would like to say, can we put always should always happy above both of them? He is the he is the heart and soul. He's the heart and soul of gaming.

That's the salt of the earth. All right. Is that it? No, no, no. The multiplayer. This is someone who only plays Aiden, only plays multiplayer games. Oh, doesn't have the doesn't have the object permanence or mental capacity or anything to play a story game. They don't find value in it.

They don't want to. You put them on Breath of the Wild. I play games to beat someone else at the same thing. We're both doing competitiveness. What's the matter with you have to beat somebody? What is it? What is it? Joyous.

What's the last single player game you finished completed finished like Pikmin when you were a kid? Come on. I'm getting me. I'm bored. Give me one bro. No. This is crazy.

There he is, the multiplayer at work. Racking his brain. For what it's worth, I'm pretty deep in Breath of the Wild. Over what period of time? That's been a six year. Over a long period of time? I mean it might be Resident Evil 4 in college when I was like 20... You finished that game.

20 or 21. Anyway, that... But this is me. This is absolutely me. I cannot sit down and enjoy single player games most of the time. Are you truly a gamer? No, I don't think so. Uh-huh.

To be honest, like... You're missing out on half of the gaming experience. Yes. I would not call myself a gamer in the traditional sense. Like, if I'm talking to a guy, if I'm talking to AAA gamer, and we talk about gaming, we have very little to talk about. Because I have no idea what happens in the games he plays. I think we hate the Nintendo guy for different reasons.

Because the Nintendo guy, he can't even relate to him wanting to play the new Fire Emblem beat off game. He's actually the only person because the only game single player games I finished and play growing up were the Nintendo games. I think I think your neck negative. I think I did too. I think your neck negative. I also think your neck negative because you never get any bitch.

Let's go. I get neck. So so you can stay right there for the rest of your life. Lovely. The Gotcha Gamer. This is, I mean, they have to go. Is it not just a Michael transaction? It's not because they fully, Michael transaction to me

was somebody that boots up something like Counter-Strike is cracking cases and like that's the fun of it for them. Or maybe they play League and they buy they just buy a lot of skins and they like pimping out the way they play League. Michael Transaction is a more general person that existed before gotcha gaming was popular. And this format of gaming where you pay massive amounts of money for chances at getting items

Oh, that's what it is, yeah Is insane Because it's not even, it's a step down from It is worse to be hooked on this than it is to have an actual gambling addiction at a casino You have better odds at actual casinos That's tight. I didn't. This devolving, it's like a form of gaming

that should be, it would be like being addicted to like draft kings, except worse. It's worse than that. I didn't know enough about gotcha before this to like, so I Googled gotcha games and I like went to r slash, I think it was r slash gotcha gaming or something like that and the first post on the subreddit is a, is a boy who is sniffing the pussy region of a cardboard cutout of an anime girl presumably from a game that they like Wow

This is the- And I was like, that's all I need to see Some people have it all That's the like all the page all the worst It's like if you fuse Goon and goonette with a sports gambler And and then and but and then fuse them with mobile gamer Let's put them in so it's I'm the guy hanging out with Nick at a social event at dinner

Who's on my phone playing a video game not talking to anybody and also losing money at the same time? And you have a boner And you have a boner. And you have a boner. Yeah, and asking, hey, can anyone cover the meal? I don't have my money at all. Jail sounds fine to me. Yeah, I'm going with jail. It's another detox situation.

Uh, all right. All right, VR gamer. OK. Are these not, again, gooners? This is what this shit is for. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's not, it's techy gamers. You get the fucking silicone doll.

This, this is what a VR gamer needs. Except all of it. Jackie Chan with a pussy. Beautiful pussy. You're going in, you just jumped to porn. That's fucked up. I didn't. It's been touching Kirby Ludwig's Red Bull Pussy. Anyway.

I think this guy is more adjacent to Marques Brownlee than than Goonie. Oh, that's also kind of gross. Just like a tech treadmill guy who is like really. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Like before Tesla got like the super notified, he was like really into Tesla. Yeah. Fucking that's fuck that person. I don't know. They don't care about gaming. They just care about gizmos.

This is a gizmo man. He's a gadget guy. He's a gizmo gadget guy. I think he he sullies like he sullies gaming a little bit, so I'd make him a net negative. Net negative. I agree. I think he's whack playless. I think he's very similar to a racing sim guy. I know, it's more pathetic.

Because there's a superiority of this guy. You also look like a dork when you play VR games. In racing sims, you don't really look like a dork. Yeah, at least you're holding a wheel, which we all innately understand. I want to hold that. There you go. And so, and all right, last one, Sims girl. All right. I haven't thought about Sims girl.

Stop, stop beat off. This looks so funny. You gotta do it more like lower down and like kind of like, stop doing that. We're almost done. You ever beat off like this? You ever do it from the other way? The other way.

All right. Okay. The Sims girl. Sims girl. This is it. This is it. This is what the thought I had was a MapleStory girl. I'm scared. Sims girl. You feel safe.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I am trying to low key build a life with Sims girls are so cool. Low key trying to date Sims girls. Sims girls are the same girls that you that like when the first time you go back to a place, you watch a movie on Netflix on her laptop in bed, resting on one of your chests. Mm-hmm. That's like the...

And then she's like, and then you're like, yeah, I like, I play video games. Like, do you, do you like any video games? And she's like, I'm actually, I'm, I'm really into, uh, The Sims. And you know, I'm instantly, I'm like, show me, I want to see. I want to see what it is. And then Sims. And then you see like the Steam like fucking hours played and it's like four digits and you're like, my me, I wanna see. I wanna see what it is. And then you see like the Steam like fucking hours played and it's like four digits and you're like, my G.

Yeah. I've had only wonderful conversations with Sims gamers. Also, there's a gooning aspect to this. Sims is kind of a do it how you want type of thing. You can make it goonery. You can make it not. You can you can you can have them have sex and be circumcised. Fine with the gooning here. I it's better here.

It's like elegant, elegant gooning. Yeah, because if they were seriously depraved, they just go fucking play Second Life. Yeah, but the gooning in Sims is simultaneously funny and a bit charming. You're so right. Are they a net positive or are they a gaming legend? Dude, on God, they are gaming legends. We need them. I'm good, but let's put them in gaming legends.

They are gaming legends. I have, I just think they, it's hard for them to do wrong. Even when they're gooning. It's such pure gaming. It's just like, what if life was just exactly what I wanted it to be instead of what it is? Escapism at its purest, most crystalline form. It's just like what if life was just exactly what I wanted it to be instead of what it is Escapism at its purest most crystalline form I've said this a lot But I think something that illuminates something about me is when I was a kid and I played the sims the first one

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