This Paranormal Life - #018 Mothman - The Harbinger of Death

Episode Date: July 18, 2017

What exactly caused the Mothman to appear in 1966? Does he really bring death and destruction everywhere he visits? Or is he in fact trying to WARN us of these events? Find out as Rory Powers and Kit Grier investigate. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Was the First World War really a battle for supernatural technology? Is rain alien tears? All these questions you can find the answer to on This Paranormal Life. Welcome to the podcast. This week, I am your host, Rory Powers, joined by my paranormal associate, Kit Greer. Howdy, pals. How you doing, Kit? I'm doing good, Rory.

How you doing? You having a crazy week? What's happening? I'm having a pretty crazy week because... So this week what we're going to be looking into is actually another listener request. Oh, cool. So yeah, it was actually messaged in by a couple of our listeners. This week, we're going to be investigating the legendary creature known only as the Mothman.

Wow. Now, this request was so popular, I think we actually had about three or so people emailing in for us to investigate it. So thank you to Rose Keating, Andrew Steen, and the other random people on Twitter who messaged me about it, and I didn't go deep enough to find your Twitter handles. Right on. So thank you to all those guys.

Thanks, guys. And, oh, yeah, side note, This Paranormal Life has an official Twitter account now. That's right. You should check us out at This Paralife. There's a bunch of fun tweets and updates. Me and Kit both post on there as well as the Facebook page. So check it out.

That's right. We're pretty active on there. So get involved. More active than I think the community is in investigating paranormal facts. Yeah. Which is something that we want to change. We want to make it like Sunday game night or like weekend hangouts. Oh, hey, baby, do you want to go to the movies tonight?

I don't know. Why don't we go to the woods and find bigfoot? Yeah, we have a responsibility to hit the streets and find some ghouls. Yeah, because what do you get out of watching a movie? Nothing. Sure, an hour of entertainment. I guess a smooch, maybe. Yeah, maybe a smooch.

Maybe eventually marry this girl. First date idea. Who gives a crap? Hunt for the vampire beast of Blade and Borah. Second date idea. Please, what is the second date? Roswell. Investigate investigated or go there third date idea we're straight to third ancient pyramids i said it marry me i'm sold so let's get started because i'm not gonna lie to you one there's a hair in my mouth that won't freaking

quit where is there there's more son of a holy is that hairball it's no i got it i got it it's fine i'm not gonna lie to you this is a big one so when it was emailed in for me to investigate i thought okay it's a paranormal creature he's probably shown up harass some people and then we talk about whether he's real or not okay yeah yeah that's kind of the we've been through a few paranormal creatures that yeah tends to be how it goes exactly but the further i went into the mothman into his his red red eyes the further i wanted to be him i just kept on going and going and there's so many crazy theories and stories that i mean this this

is this is a big investigation okay i mean we both we got uh big old cups of coffee in front of us we're ready to dig into this bad boy to beat it over the head string it up clip its wings stuff it back into back into a little what are they called little shit cage cocoon cocoon back in its little bird cocoon okay so let's get started with the investigation let's get started first off i'm gonna take us back to november 12th 1966 in west virginia great year great it was a good year it's late at night and five men were in a cemetery preparing a grave for burial. Oh, jeez. I hope to God these men were grave keepers.

I don't know what context it actually is. Those are just, like, that's a sentence, like, you don't really come across. Like, people that do those things are not your friends or family. No, it's such an obscure job, isn't it? Yeah. So they're digging away into the ground. Huh. When suddenly they hear a noise in a nearby tree. Uh-huh.

Hmm, I mean, that's pretty normal. Yeah, it's pretty vague. Is it a blade? It could be an owl? Yeah. A squirrel? Yep. All of a sudden, a giant, dark brown winged creature took off from the tree, flying into the air.

Wow. Now, it was dark dark but the men could make out the outline of the creature this was no bird it was humanoid humanoid humanoid as big as a human as big as a human with wings now this was believed to be the first official sighting of the mothman okay what are your thoughts 66 right, that's pretty vague. Right. You know. I mean, these seem like trustworthy gents.

Trustworthy grave-digging gents. Well, what I would say is if they are true grave-diggers, this won't be their first grave-dig. So, they're not going to be easily flustered by a bird flying out of a tree. Yeah. So, I'll give them that if they're doing something incriminating then why in the telling of this story i mean they've given it away so this must have been an actual event yeah for them to be like look sure we were digging up some graves but forget about the real crime here the real crime here is the goddamn man crime against nature

they're putting him in handcuffs he's taking him away because he's just covered in the jewelry of the deceased from that graveyard words yeah it's kind of tough at this point because we don't really have a good description of the beast but i did think this was important to put into the story because it is allegedly the first official sighting this is when it popped up november 12th yeah okay so i just want to get out of the way because it said it was human he's real move past it sorry yeah your your storytelling skills aren't that incredible that's that sold on it already so this was the first sighting of the mothman but it would not be the last. Okay. More sightings of a giant bird-like man started popping up all over West Virginia and even surrounding states.

Right. It can fly, so it's clearly mobile. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not locked to one location. It likes Virginia, though. It does like Virginia. It likes the ghost. But one area in particular was known for its mothman sightings okay and would

also be the location of one of the most terrifying mothman encounters to date wow this is what this is my personal favorite one yes can i just make a little guess okay right away i'm gonna guess that the town that's most famous for the mothman sightings is a piece of shit small town that no one cared about before the Mothman. How dare you? How dare you, sir? Point Pleasant is an angel of a city. Is it a city? It's a town. It's a town. It's, okay.

It is relatively small, sure. And yes, okay okay it does now have an annual mothman festival but that doesn't shouldn't take away from the legitimacy yes the time's income is 90% based on mothman merchandise but it's also home to the biggest ball of yarn sure um okay so this is this is my my favorite sighting so far so one night on november 15th which is only three days after the first sighting took place so did you not say december before no november okay did i say december not sure okay whatever i said before this is three days in november after the original one. Two young couples were driving down the road by a place nicknamed the TNT area.

Oh, Jesus. It's not a good start, is it? He goes to graveyards. He goes to the bomb land, essentially. And that's because this location was filled with disused World ii tunnels and bases they were actually used to create dynamite and explosives why do teens like those places i don't i mean it's a cool place it could so it's it teens are so stupid so stupid like no sense of danger no sense of like maybe there's a reason why we shouldn't go hang out in disused World War bunkers. I don't know what you mean. What's wrong with, like, make out cliff?

Yeah. Point Pleasant. Point Pleasant. Make out cliff. But no, we're going to go to freaking bomb line TNT area. Hey, babe. What do you say we take a drive down to the harbor? No.

No. Make out point? No. No. No. What about the bombs oh what

I just want this date to be explosive if you catch my drift I think I know what you're saying it's not worth the joke I would say I just feel like

we got this spark in between us please open the car I want to get out I just think you're a dynamite girl alright smash the wish she's borderline crawling out of the car at this point.

He's mad. He's wearing a TNT vest. So these couples are driving down the road. And as I said, so this was a place that was used to create dynamite and other explosives for the war. And possibly even create a mothman. Put a little creepy paranormal noise in there to imply a certain story point. You know, a little narrative twist.

Where did that point come from? I made that up off the top of my head. Okay, just wanted to make that clear. A lot of this will be made up. Yeah. Oh, okay, yeah, it's one of those. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, anyway, Roger and Linda Scarberry were enjoying a leisurely drive with their friends Steve and Mary Mallet. You know, driving down the road. Maybe you went out for a couple's date that night.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Picked up some ice cream. It's a nice night. 1960s, you're just listening to like beats as you drive by. So great. Yes, we love, you know, blowjob in the backseat, whatever's going on.

Who cares? We're all free in the air. He's giving him a handy. He's giving her a dissonance. The TNT area is like international waters, baby. Anything happens, there's god damn monkey guy fights in the trunk. There is so much cocaine in this car. When all of a sudden, Linda noticed something strange.

Outside her window, she could see two large, glowing red eyes near the old power plant. Never good. Never good. As they got closer, she screamed. In the moonlit night, she could see a creature, seven foot tall tall with giant wings on its back. Roger stopped the car to get a good look at the creature. But that's when things kicked off. Whoa.

The winged beast took off into the air and headed towards the car. Roger slammed his foot to the pedal and drove off as fast as he could, allegedly exceeding over 100 miles per hour. Coward. Real coward. With the creature still pursuing the car.

Oh my God. He's driving allegedly over 100 miles per hour. And this beast moth man is able to still chase them airbound. Because you said this thing was humanoid. Yeah. But it's seven foot tall. This thing is NBA annoyed. Yeah.

And like track and field annoyed like running 100 miles like he's an athletic bird like mothman yeah he's been working out so after a panicked period of driving they arrive in town and the mothman was gone okay okay so obviously they pull over the car and they talk about what they've seen you know i'm like so um uh you can be roger the husband and i'll be linda in the in this in this situation roger did you just see what i saw jesus christ why am i english you're southern should we stick with it? Keep going Yeah

Keep going It was like a shotgun wedding Keep going Roger I swear The beast's eyes I saw them in the dark What are you talking about? Roger you must believe me

He was monstrous I was just driving Because you were screaming To be honest What are you talking about? Roger I'm sick of your bullshit You must believe me for once Every day

Every day it's another beast. What is it today? What is it today? I told you it was the chupacabra yesterday. He was in the toilet. Yes, of course. It was a spider. He was the mothman.

It was a spider. Who knows what tomorrow could be? Bigfoot. It could be something else. It could be a bigger spider. It could be a goddamn dog. And that's the end of it. That was a goblin on Halloween.

I swear. It was a child. It was our child. It was was a child it was our child she thinks everything is a beast um so they pull over and they talk about what they've seen i mean what was this thing was it a man was it a moth was it some sort of moth-like man i mean it sounds like it was a helicopter it was like if it's chasing a hundred yeah a hundred miles per hour that's pretty insane i mean like birds can't do that yeah it can't be like a crane it was either a mothman or it was a shadow yeah

it was roughly the same size as us i mean mean, no matter how fast we went, it just kept coming. So eventually, after a big discussion, they decide it's a bird. Really? Yeah. I mean, I guess. Well, it flies fast. I mean, you have, I guess you pulled over and the logical side of your brain is maybe kicking back in. Yeah.

I mean, they seem like normal, reasonable people. But come on. 100 miles per hour? Yeah, sounds a bit yeah regardless they think it's a good idea to return to the tnt area what like what like that night like that night directly after they were like look let's go find out what it is that we saw uh they didn't have to drive for long though before they saw two glowing red eyes once again in the darkness sitting there waiting for them right beside route 62 the couples now realized they really weren't dealing with a bird

no no no no this was a monster i don't get the logic of like it was for sure a bird but let's go back in case it wasn't and then what we're up against it again i know i'm very flawed um they're ready to leave at this point but in doing so roger's car headlights shine directly at the mothman the creature leapt into the air with insane speed disappearing into the night. God. What are your thoughts? Oof. I don't know, there's a lot to digest here. Because the original story, we got a glance at it.

This one, we've got another glance, but we've got him chasing and interacting with the people. And then a full-on headlight beam look at the creature. But they seem to be pretty set in this idea that he just like zips up and out of there like real fast. Like, yeah, I don't think they're getting like a good. They think this thing's a bird. They're not getting a good look at it. So the couples reported later that night what they'd seen to Sheriff George Johnson, an honest man, a normal man.

And the next day, a press conference was held to warn the people of this town what exactly was out there. OK, now, do we know what they said? I think he just said, look, there's been some sightings. OK town what exactly was out there. Okay. Now. Do we know what they said? I think he just said, look, there's been some sightings. Okay. There's something out there. There's something out there. We're not sure what it is at this point. I can't imagine them giving a statement like that anymore because people's imaginations

are just run wild. Yeah. Well, this is what I wrote down. So like he's a small town sheriff. Yeah. So even if this was happening and there was something creepy going on you know he doesn't know about government cover-ups or like cia protocol he care he's got to protect the public and he's just got to be like hey look there's something out here i don't know what it is

yeah i like i'm just doing my job yeah i'm packing heat are you guys packing heat packs no baby hey kids talking about your kids yeah you guys packing heat no my dad little pussy here hold this i don't think i can hold it pull the trigger holding it to his forehead pull the trigger you little pussy it's like i don't think i can do it i thought so you're as bad as the Mothman. Kid pulls the trigger. It doesn't fire. Congratulations. Passed first grade. Walks out of there.

I love the idea of him giving it to the kid. And he's like, come on, you little pussy. Pull the trigger. Become a man. Kills the sheriff. And it's like, what do we do now? Sheriff just watched it like an action movie the night before he thought it would be cool yeah uh now of course after the press

conference obviously newspapers started reporting stories about what had happened the most iconic one reading couple sees man-sized bird creature something what that was the that was the headline so yeah pretty small town uh local so so many of our stories are just like the mind-boggling shit people did like 40 years ago i know right it's insane uh now as we said it's easy to be skeptical when we're dealing with testimonies, especially from over 30 years ago. But one thing that you and I always come back to and always ask each other is why would a victim make this up? Do they have something to gain? Do they have something to lose?

What could be a motivation behind a fictitious story? Right. story right well i can tell you this on november 16th uh linda scarberry the wife of roger was rushed to hospital after basically experiencing a nervous breakdown okay she literally had to be hospitalized because she couldn't handle the mothman yeah it was just so i don't know he was just leaving her voicemails just in her closet at night like eating all of it wait moths eat clothes clothes eat clothes and it sounds crazy when you say it out loud but yes yeah they eat clothes it's tough okay well you know it's definitely it's fuel to the fire i'll tell you that much it is absolutely fuel to the fire that burns the clothes the moth

man eats which is good we should keep burning those clothes drive them out i'm very confused before we continue on with the investigation i think it's time we look into exactly what he's rumored to look like yeah please do because at this point there's been enough sightings to get a concise kind of idea of what he looks like yes all right so brace yourself because things are about to get really weird. Really dumb, really fast. After talking about a giant mothman terrorizing a city, things are about to get weird. So buckle up. I know it was all textbook shit right up until now.

So the mothman is described as a bipedal winged humanoid looking creature. The name Mothman was actually given to him by newspapers at the time. He does in no way look like a half moth, half man. Okay. That's more like a catchy phrase. You know, it's the Mothman. Yeah. Okay. So he's not actually, he's not, it's not like the fly.

Right. Yeah. Right. It's not, it's not like that at all okay he's often reported to be seven feet tall have a wingspan of 10 to 15 feet and as we know has the ability to fly over 100 miles per hour so for example if you were walking down the street late at night you're going home yeah you see a figure in the shadows. A horrible birdie man, seven feet, giant wings, glowing red eyes. I mean, do you think this could damage you so much that you lose your mind? I mean, could you move on with the rest of your life knowing you'd seen this creature that then just goes like, and takes off into the sky?

I think that would be for sure mentally damaging so several years ago i don't know how many years ago now um i went to the bathroom in my house okay i'm so excited and this story you know and i go to the bathroom and then i i reach over to to the toilet roll okay right okay right like it's a cardboard tube paper on the outside nothing paranormal yet nothing paranormal I put my hand inside

I feel like a little squelch a moth and then I just like flick my hand I like throw the thing down and there's just like a giant

spider and I've just crushed its abdomen and half of this spider is just like a man whose legs have been crushed by a steamroller it's just trying just like a man whose legs have been crushed by a steamroller

it's just trying to like a terminator like just crawling his way just crawling away this giant god damn spider I've just got spider guts and babies all over my finger that's so gross

so I'm telling you what does that have to do with that I've checked every god damn roll ever since in case it happens again so if I saw a moth man I'm in the hospital i'm in a nervous goddamn breakdown

screaming to the nurses bullies are teasing me throwing cardboard it rolls at me well i mean so i mean my perspective not exactly the mothman but as i've talked about i've been shut down on this podcast before my paranormal experience in dublin yeah where you know i saw how is this relevant i just don't see how you think this story is relevant well i mean it was because it was in plain sight i mean i just don't it was a beast yeah yeah yeah i mean i get i get listen this is about facts this the show is about facts okay okay you're right you're right and, this is about facts. The show is about facts. Okay. Yeah, you're right, you're right.

We'll talk about that story. Yeah, let's talk about real events. Yeah, sure. Sure. I figure if we ever do like a live podcast, then that can be like at the halfway point, we'll just cut the recording. And for everyone in the show,

I can tell them my paranormal story about the Dublin Gorilla Man. Yeah, I mean, if they want to hear some fake shit, yeah. Yes. About the Dublin gorilla man. Yeah. I mean, if they want to hear some fake shit. Yeah. Yeah. Totally.

Yeah. I'm sorry. I just, it was really, it was a really tough time for me. Yeah. I'm sure it was. I'm sure that make believe.

Right. I could, I could swear it was real. Yeah. It felt real. No, I'm sure it did. Video games,

stuff like that. Kind of mess with your head. Yeah. Yeah. Just, I mean, my brother saw in a couple of other people as well. Yeah.

Your brother's liar liar so rude so more on the creature he is rarely observed flapping his wings except for takeoff uh-huh and witnesses often describe his flight pattern as straight up like a helicopter very like a helicopter in fact he emits a kind of low chugging hum he's often carrying a number of people inside of him he can fly much faster than any bird should be able to fly uh measured by those victims who've suffered what seems to be mothman's favorite activity chasing cars really that is what a moth would do moths are very attracted to light so imagine you've got headlights at night that's the only thing he's just going to be drawn to it absolutely i mean i know you said it wasn't a moth but i kind of i'm not

listening to you on that point they like the darkness but that's weird isn't it like moths like the darkness but to find the light you know like they're out at night it's kind of it's kind of beautiful actually beautiful give me give me a second here actually almost like the darkness but they wanna love, they don't wanna fight Yeah, yeah So Roger was driving down the motherf***ing road And he was driving down the TNT zone When he saw the mothman he was flying in the sky His wife Linda, yeah, she thought he was gonna

die So they kept driving down this street They were driving all around They weren't driving neat. They pulled the car over and they thought what did we just hear and David said maybe it was a bird but it's not still here So then they got back in the car and they drive down the street Yeah, pretty far and they looked out the door saw those red go and eyes to their surprise they were terrified That was the mothman rap I hope y'all I would love it as well if you were like um you're like that was really good Roy I'm like thanks man like it's just kind of like wait what are your notes

you improv song then the lyrics and you can see where I've scribbled out like I've clearly worked on this for days you scheduled out three more improvisations. All right, so let's do a little roundup, okay? So we know what the Mothman looks like. And you might feel like we have a pretty good grasp on this creature. Yeah. You know, we've seen him. Yeah, we got the basics.

We got the basics. Yeah. You are so f***ing wrong. I found some... I mean, what we've experienced so far, that's what I thought I was getting into when I started researching you off. Yeah, you thought you were going to have a nice little time.

Nice little open and shut case, as they call it. Honestly, I have a note here that says, end with the sweet rap. That was in my notes. Yeah, there wasn't really much to it, so I thought I'd just spice it up with a musical number. So I know I said things were going to get weird before. Yeah.

Now they're going to go very weird. Oh, Jesus. So some people believe that the Mothman is made by the government. Obviously. Others think that he's just simply a beast, an evolutionary runoff, like some sort of bird monkey. Yeah. But perhaps there's something much more paranormal about the Mothman. What could be more than...

Okay. Brace yourself. This actually gets pretty cool. Here we go. In 1928, so 30 years before the Mothman was ever seen, a silver bridge called the Silver Bridge was constructed in Point Pleasant, West Virginia, which is the hotspot, obviously, for the Mothman sightings.

Now, this bridge was big, and it was used to connect Point Pleasant with Gallipolis in Ohio for over 35 years. Now, as we know, the first Mothman sighting took place in 1966. Yes. And over the next year, Mothman sightings would continue to rise all over Point Pleasant. So why would he appear out of nowhere? Was the Mothman trying to warn us about something? What?

That's right. On December 15th, 1967, cars were piled up across the Silver Bridge. It's your typical rush hour traffic. You know, you got some people honking your horns. Other people have the radio on. It's a sunny day. You know, windows are down.

You're relaxing. You got road rage. When all of a sudden, due to a small defect in an eye bar, the entire bridge collapses into the river. Rumbling into the Ohio River during rush hour, killing over 40 people almost instantaneously. At the time, this was one of the worst catastrophes in American history. After the horrible event took place, Mothman sightings seemed to die down for a while.

Which led... Well, this is what we're going to get on to. seemed to die down for a while. Hmm. His work then was done. Well, this is what we're going to get on to. So this led a lot of people to believe that the Mothman had appeared to try and warn the people of Point Pleasant that this was going to happen. The Mothman was actually a sick civil engineer. He noticed some crazy inconsistencies in the architecture of that bridge i mean he's already spent a year trying to get these people's attention but every time he sees him in the worst way possible i assume because he's like a moth and he's quite soft he's got like a excitable

but like soft raspy voice yeah so if like if he finally meets someone he's like look i can't talk for long jesus you need to listen to me no don't shoot the bridge the bridge takes off shut up you hairy bastard so some people went as far to claim that they spotted the mothman on the bridge just before it fell into the river but of course the other side of this belief is rather than showing up to warn people it's about to happen, the Mothman itself is the curse and that he just brings darkness to wherever he is.

He's like an omen, you know? I was going to say he just like pulled a few pins. He's just gnawing at them. I saw him on the bridge. Shoot at me now bitches he threw a screwdriver into the river

and flipped us off first off what do you which one would you be more inclined to agree with is this a paranormal creature that can somehow predict tragic events

trying to warn people or is this you know much like before something bad happens like almost a final destination you know you see you have like a premonition of a bad event before it happens i mean it seems like it seems like a bit of a stretch if this thing is humanoid but doesn't actually communicate or speak english or necessarily understand human concepts right that it would be trying to warn people like they say that dogs try to warn people about earthquakes i don't know maybe like the dog just senses

some things like out of whack earthquake what's that good job to me roof cake but like yeah i don't know if the dog is like jeff run yeah like or if the dog's just gonna like something's weird right it's like a feeling yeah mothman is just kind of like oh there's a weird energy over here but maybe yeah it is like a premonition thing but running along those lines let's jump to another date please do 1986 in the soviet union a bizarre looking winged creature with alleged glowing red eyes was seen flying over a town. Could it be?

The creature was also apparently seen by a number of workers at a nearby nuclear power plant. Jesus. 1986. Nuclear power plant. Soviet Union. Jesus. A town you may know called Chernobyl. Oh!

Was the Mothman trying to warn the people about the oncoming nuclear disaster no way he was allegedly in i believe it's in that area completely separate from this and he's described as the bird man of chernobyl shut up yeah wow it was like sightings of like a bird-like creature in the i think months, months or weeks before the Chernobyl nuclear disaster. Goddamn. Because if you ever try to, like, Google that, obviously, if you type the word Chernobyl into Google, you're getting one thing. But, yeah, there's obviously going to be folklore and legends and local legends. Bird, man, nuclear disaster, Soviet Union, you might get a different result.

If you go to rorypars.com forward slash Chernobyl, you'll get the truth. Oh yeah, make sure you put in forward slash the truth. Just to be sure. Instead of forward slash the lies. A lie.

April 10th, 2009. A tall, hairy-winged man with bloodshot eyes was seen by the public right before the 2009 outbreak of swine flu. That's just a tall man with bloodshot eyes. He was just a stoner.

I don't even know if there's mention. No, winged man. Winged man. They did specify winged man. That's not paranormal. I'm just, look, I'm just here to bring you the facts. In all of these cases, right before a disaster of some kind there has been sightings of a bird-like man with red glowing eyes yeah i'm putting the ball in your court you can deal

with it however you like interesting this it is interesting it reminds me a little bit of um nostradamus and i would hope to maybe cover some of his predictions in a future cast. Right. But it's definitely, it's odd, isn't it? Whenever you have someone like that and they go, look at all the hits that Nostradamus made. You know, he predicted this, predicted this. Yeah. And it's like, well, also consider all the crazy misses and things he didn't foresee. Right. So like swine flu is very specific and quite small in the grand scheme of kind of human

catastrophe it's like maybe like mothman thought this was gonna be way bigger than it was he thought it was gonna be like the one that killed all of humanity so he's like oh i better be it's like a good party he's like i gotta be seen at this one you know i like he's like checking his little like disaster feed and his little moth iphone and he's like he's like checking his little like disaster feed and his little moth iphone and he's like he's like huh we seem to have a kind of horrific civil war in the democratic republic of congo or fit and mouth disease seems to be popping off in the uk this year well if we think that mothman has been present at a lot of these ongoing tragic events was he present for all tragic events was he there in world war ii did

he watch the hindenburg go up in flames these are pretty you know out there questions but this is an out there podcast that's pretty crazy this is like a whole wider thing it's like like as you say let's get away a little bit from the idea of the Mothman. Right now, he's trans... I mean, what we're talking about right now is just like an omen, like a demonic omen. So, if there is some sort of omnipotent bird creature that's capable of transcending time, you can imagine that's not something that would be open knowledge to the public. Well, until now. We've kind of blown that bubble.

Yeah, and good luck us less than the rest of this year. You know, there's a system in place. The world is fragile. The system is fragile. Listen, guys. All right, everyone listening to this podcast, listen up. You're a pawn. You're a pawn in a game.

Yeah, we're queens, but you're a pawn. Yeah, we're like a couple rungs up on the ladder, but... I'm actually a double queen. I invented that. Or did or did i no i don't play a lot of chess i'm a prong i'm a king the most powerful piece of all time i move where i want when i want and i've got a gun checkmate bitch you're a pawn i'm richard nixon okay it's a fragile system you know it you know it sucks because some people struggle in the world you know we got a tough you got to do your nine to five works it is a miracle that we are not all throwing our feces at each other and just

clobbering each other with rocks until we all die at the age of four it's a miracle you know so if there's anything that pops up like a time-traveling omnipotent bird yeah you gotta keep that a secret yeah because then people are going to work you're damn right the whole thing's gonna fall apart i mean and that's just something we have to deal with there's stuff we don't know there's secrets listen to this podcast and you can find out the answers forward slash the truth hashtag investigate that's right you're you listen you keep listening to this podcast you're going to come out with more knowledge than whatever shit you learned at school okay i promise you that i promise you that you already know how to play chess now you're welcome so we have to assume

that the government has some sort of relationship with the mothman because if the public knows you're pretty sure the government know okay well that relationship i can tell you is quite mysterious so in point pleasant from 1966 to 67 which was obviously the height of the mothman sightings It was around this time that a number of strange men started appearing in the town. Now, as we said, this is a small town. It wouldn't really garner any attention from public officials, really. And now I've talked about these people briefly before on the podcast,

and here they are appearing again. Uh-oh. So these people, they were dressed from head to toe in black suits, white shirts, black ties, and black shoes, which all looked completely pristine, but completely out of style for 1966. Okay? Okay. I think we both have an idea of where this is going. Why don't we say on three who we're both thinking of?

One, two, three. Agent Smith from Matrix. Oh. say on three who we're both thinking of one two three alien time lord for matrix oh let's see you went with the old uh matrix matrix one yeah the you didn't want to go for the uh alien time lords alien time lords oh yeah no uh what did you said though wait which pill did you take in the room with the guy? We'll get into a little bit of a description later. But they're involved with a story that I think will give you an indication as to what these people are. So one day, Mary Hyre, a newspaper reporter for the Athens Messenger, which was a newspaper that had one of their offices in Point Pleasant, was working at her office. Now, Mary was one of the most popular leading reporters to write about the Mothman sightings and strange occurrences in her newspaper column. Which basically means, Mary,

you painted a big old target on your back. Yeah, goddamn. They are coming for you. Yeah, you done messed up. You should have done that in podcast form. How about that? We're untraceable, bitch. We're like paranormal Bitcoins.

We're the WikiLeaks of iTunes, okay? We're the Edward Snowdens of the paranormal world. You can't find us. You don't know where we are. Internationally hated. You're never going to find us because we're invisible. Shit. What was that?

Police, come out with your hands up. It's just a podcast. I swear it's online. Mothman, come out with your hands up.'s just a podcast i swear it's all mine come on with your hands up so she's sitting there in her office and all of a sudden there's a knock on her door she opens the door to find a strange man standing there matching the description that i just gave you earlier yes now mary hire said he had all of skin and never allegedly blinked his eyes. What? After a few questions,

he began asking her intrusive questions about the Mothman and her research. As it was going on, the man also kept getting closer and closer to her until their interaction was interrupted by a phone call, which she was happy to take. It sounds like

if he wasn't blinking kept moving closer you're just hitting on her i think hey baby so if you're not busy writing about the mothman what do you know about the mothman i feel i just brought it up in conversation i thought you know you like the mothman what why you keep asking me about the mothman um the man at this point while she took the call, the man began to intensively study a ballpoint pen on her desk as if he'd never seen it before. Interesting. Who hasn't seen a pen before? Right. And you'd think that's the end of it, but you'd be wrong. Similar men also threatened Mothman witness Connie Carpenter. After allegedly trying to pull her into their car,

they left an ominous note outside of her house reading, Be careful, girl. I can get you yet. Is Mothman in the mob? Like, what's happening? When Mothman witness Faye Dewitt-Laporte and her brother saw the Mothman around the TNT area again, they tried to return to the local area the next day to find it was blocked off by two men in black who would not let them enter. I'm essentially talking about a group of people known as the men in black.

Yes. And I don't want to go into them too much in this one because they're so damn weird and interesting. Yeah. That they need a whole podcast episode. Yeah. I don't want to go into them too much in this one because they're so damn weird and interesting. Yeah. That they need a whole podcast episode. Yeah. These men turn up in a lot of paranormal stories. Like a lot of ones that I've come across.

And they're known for attempting to threaten witnesses and reporters of strange occurrences. But they've been described as human looking. But their mannerisms are so strange that it spawned so many different theories apparently according to witnesses the men in black have strange eating behaviors so witnesses say they when they saw him at a restaurant they didn't know how to use a knife and fork and they had to have the waitress come over and tell them how to cut the steak and then when they ate they didn't chew their food. They just kind of swallowed it. Yeah.

And we talked about them briefly in the story of the black eyed kids. Yes. Like at one point coming to pick up the children. That's right. Uh, and I do want to go into them in a later podcast, but it seems like they just kind of show up and they're almost, it's weird.

They're almost feel like they're a part of the government, but not even human themselves. Yeah. Just kind of toneless, up and they're almost it's weird they're almost feel like they're a part of the government but not even human themselves yeah just kind of toneless emotionless robotic and to take it to a different episode i mean we might be talking here about some sort of black helicopter as nanobiotechnology that these things are not human not animal not beast not machine but something different i'm gonna go not machine but in fact helicopter it's like you have such a tedious grasp on life in general i'm very interested to hear after all this information where where you lie i don't really know what to make of the men in black connection.

Right. Because like whenever it's aliens, there's a motive there. It's like, you know, too much. We cannot let this information get out. Yeah.

Like we're trying to backwards engineer technology here. We can't let other nations know about this. Can't let anyone know about this. Absolutely. We're keeping something under wraps here. I mean mean i don't really understand what the motive is necessarily with the mothman with the mothman i know what you mean about the fragile system that is uh western civilization but yeah i just find it very hard to imagine that if there was some sort of bizarre demonic anomaly out there haunting people,

that the government would really put that level of resources into shutting up people talking about us. Assuming the men in black are with the government. Yeah. But some sort of organization. I've got a theory. All right. Let me hear it. There's a gas leak in Point Pleasant, Virginia.

Okay. That's it. Everyone's high. Well, have you ever heard the theory of, you know, like the Salem witch trials? Right. And you go back in time and like, there was just this period in history where witches were real, apparently.

Well, you threw on apparently there, which I find a bit jarring. You're hovering on a broomstick. One of the theories, I think we can all sort of get on board with the idea. Burning a witch. Burning women. Excuse me. We don't need lots of convincing.

Sure, we've all wanted to burn our wives i think you know we can all sort of get behind the modern notion that witches ain't real so one of the theories is that if you go back and if we look at the biological records look at these towns where the witch trials were going on that there were particular biological traits in the soil. We can tell that there was a particularly, let's say, long freeze that winter. They think that caused unusual microbial growth in the fields of wheat.

Jesus, that sounds like real science. It is. How dare you bring real science onto this podcast? And it caused growths of ergot in their food supply. How dare you bring real science onto this podcast. And it caused growths of ergot in their food supply. And ergot, basically, it contains an analogue of lysergic acid, a.k.a. LSD. What we're saying is entire populations eating bread, eating food, tripping on acid for like a year at a time. Oh God. They were insane.

Just tripping like daily, the entire community. So they were just all having these bizarre individual like hallucinations and horrible paranoid thoughts. And they just started pinning it on like women. That's crazy. It probably wasn't even women half the time. They're probably just like grabbing a broom and being like burn the witches so that was a long tangent but what i'm

saying is maybe there's like something else going on in virginia well it's interesting to think of if these bunkers were used during the second world war yeah that's a lot of time for any chemical runoffs in these bases to infect a town's water supply yes and henceforth make loopy people to see bird men and loopy engineers to build a shitty bridge which actually is totally not correct because the bridge was built like 30 years before the bird man okay right so that's that's faulty faulty. Okay. But if we're to start making, if we're to start tying all this together and start making concrete observations, what do you think? What do I think?

Well, obviously my research brought me to some pretty dark places, some pretty crazy places. I think I'm on a list now. I think strange men are going to be following me. I think we're definitely like flirting with that territory. My Google searches alone in the last two weeks. Yeah. I'm probably on a list.

Chernobyl nuclear bird man, men in black, robot humans. I mean, the list is probably people who shouldn't be allowed to vote. Yeah. That's probably the height of it you know if there wasn't something in this town then why all this why the cover-up why i mean like even if someone even lied and said like yeah i saw the mothman who he flew around and he was eating a pair of trousers in the sky yeah you still had these people show up to town and like interrogate people and ask questions and insist that they stop their research and i find that quite strange and weird because if because if you're getting shut down that means something

you're doing something right that's right so come at me police try and stop this podcast police don't give a shit. The police are like, we should fund these guys because they're turning everyone against the truth. I think there's a lot of this that I do not believe. There's a lot of holes to poke in this. But, you know, at one point, was there some sort of creature floating around West Virginia? You know, possibly, possibly.

Yes, I believe the Mothman existed in some capacity. That's my, that's my research. That's my conclusion. I hashtag investigated and came to my conclusion you're on your own with this one tell you that right now well you're a man in black aren't you i put on my aviators you're on your own powers you have been looking at my ballpoint pen for

the last 45 minutes salivating chewing a single piece of lettuce before just letting it drop out of my mouth you're not feeling it you're not feeling the bird man i'm not the mothman shit the thing you just said was real yeah it's just it's just a lot of like fluffy stuff because it feels like the sightings could have been a bird the the it wasn't the men in black shutting it down yeah it could have been for i don't know other reasons yeah it could have been yeah sure maybe that's why you're trying to grab the girl and drag her into a car sure i mean there's something that's creepy note on the

doorstep there's something to that there's something. Left a creepy note on the doorstep. There's something to that. There's something to that. But, um. No, it's cool if you want to, like, keep your eyes shut on this one. That's fine. You want to keep your head in the sand. That's fine.

System's Fragile. I said it on the podcast. System's Fragile. You're a Jenga block and I'm playing the game. You're a prong. Sorry for toppling your little world, Malvena. In the final edit of this podcast you just photoshop my words i'm not feeling it look you know we're gonna this is gonna happen on the

podcast we're gonna come to a conclusion and it's gonna be different conclusions is that so bad there's never another episode this is the last one so angry at each other or it's like the next one is just you the mothman point two it's like i really just you need to look at these documents though because you're like i'm so sick of this uh so you're saying no i'm saying no that's okay you know what guys this gives us a great opportunity for you as listeners to write in uh and tell us whether or not you think the mothman is real you don't want go as far as to head on to twitter look at at this power of life we're going to be when this episode is live we're going to be tweeting a poll yeah and uh we want

you guys to vote in it and see whether you think the mothman is real or the mothman is in fact a hoax that's right And remember when you're voting... The truth. To keep your allegiances in mind, you know, that we both have a side on this. Right. Some of us researched the episode. Yeah, and then some of us are just more likable.

Sat there. You know. Yeah, just do the right thing, you know. Don't be a moron. Just remember who taught you how to play chess. Just remember that. Please. If you have your own be a moron just remember who taught you how to play chess just remember that please if you have your own

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