This Paranormal Life - #030 Man Receives Emails From The 1500s - Part 2

Episode Date: October 10, 2017

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Last time on This Paranormal Life! This book contains information so mind-blowing, so mind-bending, so face-melting, that if true, it changes everything. So he types in open file KDN, and there's this text. True are the nightmares of a person that fears safe are the bodies of the silent world. Ken, Nick, and Debbie didn't know what to make of it. What do you want us to do? Did you live here?

You said your people's time is 1985. I thought your time was also 2109, like your friend who brought the box of lights to me. He grabbed the keyboard, calling 2109 question mark welcome to this paranormal life the weekly podcast where every week we discuss a different paranormal tale claim or case and we get to the bottom of it we get to the bottom of every case we get to the bottom of every bottle we get to the bottom of every piece of tinfoil packet of that sweet, sweet heroin. Whatever it takes to crack the case, we get to the bottom of it. Ideally crack. Yeah, hopefully it's crack. Is this another crack case? I'm itching to get to the bottom.

That's right. Welcome back, folks. It's another Tuesday. I'm joined by my professional paranormal host investigator pal, Mr. Rory Pars. Hello, everyone. Doing all right over there, Rory? I'm doing great, man. I'm ready to enjoy part two of one of our biggest investigations of all time. Back on Tuesday, and this time with a part two. That's right, people. A rare part two in this episode. So last week, we left it in a crazy place.

So it was this tale of a haunted computer. Right. Haunted with the ghost of a 16 place. Yeah. So it was this tale of a haunted computer. Right. Haunted with the ghost of a 16th century man and then near the end we had this crazy revelation where we seemed to be receiving a message from the future.

Yeah. From a 2109. A message from the future to the man in the past. Bypassing the middle. The middle, the present. present right which is 1985 where are we now who am i i just put a straitjacket on you right away wheel me out yeah i'm the fifth roaring to do this show you're like bring in the next one this is the real shutter island situation we got

going here we left it last week where ken the owner of this computer he was about to type out a message to 2109 try and make contact they said messages backwards in time he's trying to go forwards in time if that makes sense no cool moving on so ken has typed in this message calling calling 2109. And he waits a few minutes. And of course, nothing. But later that day, just like the first day that Lucas messages the BBC micro, there's a new file on the computer.

But this one isn't from Lucas. You're shaking your head. Yeah. Why does it always take until the computer is left completely unattended for a file to appear just one of my many many hang-ups about this story but please continue okay this message is written in all capitals it's important ken deb peter we are sorry that we can only get i'm shy i should do a voice right yeah right future voice it's slightly more high-pitched and annoying i think yeah i guess because it's all caps and in the future i think we're all going to get higher voices naturally

yeah because you know we used to be like neanderthals quite big and strong oh so the future is obviously going to be like mickey mouse people i know i was thinking more like a kind of like Dalek, sort of like Doctor Who, sort of like, Ken, Deb, Peter. Can I hurt my vocal cords just now? Your throat is bleeding. I didn't realize that was possible, but...

We are sorry that we can only give you two choices. One, that you either have your predicament explained in such a by the way people from the future are british okay obviously yeah that you either have your predicament explained in such a way that you may have instant understanding but cause what should not be to happen nonsensical continue or two try to understand that you three have a purpose that shall in your lifetime change the face of history we 2109 must not affect your thoughts directly but give you some sort of guidance that will allow room for your own destiny all we can say is that we are all part of the same god whatever he or it is oh god he's so annoying so horrible again he's got his fingers in his ears yeah god damn it i

didn't even realize this thing had speakers so look obviously this message is a bit convoluted grammatically yeah not much punctuation going on there but think about the wisest man of all time yoda and grammatically he was all over the place. He couldn't even form a sentence together. I think it was like... Because his little Yoda mind had been so blown by the knowledge he discovered over a lifetime of the universe,

he started sentences backwards. Yeah, people who are functioning on that level, they have no time for formatting, no time for punctuation. Too much he'd seen. Blown his mind was so i can understand why these higher he was really smart you just didn't finish primary school i think that's the difference between you and you that's why i can't form sense good yeah homeschooled i was friends

not many had i public education my father thought, was scam. Sounds like your father was a scam artist. Nah, kid, you're not going to school. School's a scam. They just want to get money out of you. School's free, dad. No, no, no, they just want money out of you. No, no, no, but if you join my school for a yearly subscription of $5.99,

you sound like a scam. Please, son, scam you sound like. You score a grammar in this house. Dad, my arm's's bleeding I cut my arm I'm a doctor to scam So we sure aren't going there Maybe you'll get lucky and die Be freed from life The biggest scam

I miss mom Jesus scam I'll tell you right now Junior Women Are scam Can't live with them Jesus, scam. I'll tell you right now, Junior. Women are scam. Can't live with them. Can't not be scammed by them. Jesus.

I had a tough childhood. I mean, I would never have known by your t-shirt that reads, Ask me about my childhood. My belt buckle that just says scamming. Gone scamming. Right after they receive this message, the poltergeist activity in the house starts legit popping off.

Things are moving around the house at an alarming rate. I know we talked about small items being moved around earlier, but here's a picture to show you what's going down now. Feast your eyes on this. Jesus Christ. For those of you listening It essentially appears as if all of the furniture

And belongings in the house Have just been magnetically pulled to one corner Yeah, as if Magneto himself Bust into that room Yeah, but not Magneto Because it looks like wooden chairs Yeah, the wood version of Magneto Woodnito

Has just taken all the objects And either drawn them or stacked them. It's troubling. And not only that, but one day they enter the house to discover more writing. This time, all over the floor. Ken immediately thinks to contact Peter, the language guy. And Peter works out... Of course.

Me, Peter. Oh, hello there. Peter, I was wondering if I could talk to you about writing on the floor. It couldn't have possibly been me. You're being weird again, Pete. You were so chill until these happenings. Peter works out right away that the right... Oh, coincidental.

...that is written in Latin. Now, Rory, a lot of people write in Latin. Granted, they all died a thousand years ago. There you go. Granted, Peter can speak and write Latin, but that's... You don't find this a bit suspicious at all? No. Peter's a trustworthy guy.

You know, you think Ken and Debbie are really that dumb, but they wouldn't suspect Peter. All I'm going to say is the only thing that verifies that this is really a man from the past is the historical accuracy of the Old English that he's been writing in. Verified by one man who also knows Latin. But, you know, in the last episode, we did get to a point where those guys, you know, locked the doors and been in the next room

when new messages had appeared on the computer. So, like, there's no way Peter no way Peter was bashing open those doors, getting in, typing up Word documents, and then getting out again. I mean, granted, the chocolate bars are old. For lack of trying, he was really going out those windows. We saw him go down the chimney at one point. They call him up, they're like,

Peter, I know you've been trying some of that funny business and we don't appreciate it, but God damn, you're the only person who knows latin on these parts and we need your help this is creepy so the latin reads peter you ask too much lucas is going to his death for he has brought death upon himself the gods will root you out so this is from the future talking about the guy from the past. Yes. Okay.

That's right. No. Then what is this? I'm not confused. It's all you guys who are confused. I guess because it's in Latin, we might infer that it could be from... Oh, the friend's phone. Lucas's friend.

Right, okay. Which might be his partner. We don't really know who that is. Okay. And before long, more messages start arriving on the BBC micro. Your questions will be answered. Not enough power. Go to sleep. Alone.

Peter, you are devoting nights and days to your investigation this is what he wishes for himself that trick of yours does not deceive me and if you don't think those make sense you're goddamn right they don't make any sense you know we were kind of had a bit of a linear discussion going on between ken debbie and lucas in the past at this point things are getting pretty messy it's hard to discern i think for these guys whether messages are coming from 2109 or from Lucas in the past or indeed from messengers that they don't know who they are yet. Ken tries to get to the bottom of this and he types in 2109. What's going on? What do these messages mean? And they reply, all caps. What help do you require? If you wish to know Lucasas waynman's true name we can say no more

than the man named peter has it the person you refer to as one is not to be trusted also there is nothing to fear outside man true but you are not yet ready to know what man is without knowledge you have fear with With fear, you create nightmares. This is Yoda, isn't it? Fear leads to knowledge. Knowledge leads to nightmares. A bit to pick apart there. Who's one?

There's another person they're referring to. We don't know who that is. But Ken does put two and two together a little bit. And he says, you know, Lucas did mention that the man who gave him the box of lights in the first place was John. And he thinks, could this potentially be the same person? Which is quite an interesting point that if someone came from the future to the past and did like a quick, hello, how are you? Shook his hand and said his name was one. Maybe someone in the 1500s might

have been like that's not a name yeah or like misheard it you know maybe it was like juan yeah it legit could have been and amidst this lucas is unable to message the guys he's being he's been blocked in the whatsapp group basically somehow but debbie leaves out some charcoal she kind of thinks around this and she leaves out some charcoal and some paper because of all the chalk drawings that be going on so whilst lucas cannot communicate through the computer he is able to write to them this works a treat and he writes ask debbie about the dream and you will know my name so if you remember back to the previous episode debbie was having some weird dreams yeah debbie in fact seems to be like a weird point of contact which that's what i was thinking dude like the other guys like ken like he seems like pretty chill yeah peter he's he he seems kind

of chill but debbie she's a woman i mean she's a witch yeah so she's not to be trusted because she's a woman i mean because she's a witch right So let's say what we have to do on three. Ready? Okay. One, two, three. Burn her. Put her in the computer. Oh. She has to go in. Right. Okay.

Yeah. The burning though. Are we still on track for that? Or are we going to put that on hold? If she fails to go in, we'll burn her. Okay. That's a good, that's a really good point. So Debbie's trying to remember her dream.

She remembers Lucas saying something along the lines of, if you put Tom instead of Lucas, you will know my name. It is also Peter's house. Okay. This is very cryptic. Tom House is his name. Not far off. They think for a second and Peter lives in Hawarden.

Tom Hawarden? That's right. Thomas Hawarden. Tom Hawarden? That's right. Thomas Hawarden. And the reason they strike upon this pretty quickly, I think, the reason that maybe Peter gets the bottom of this, is because throughout this investigation, he's been working with a local history expert, Robin Peel. And through analysing public records,

they had actually come up with a name a while back that Robin suggested. He suggested Hawarden. But it turned out that there was a record of a thomas hawarden there is indeed a record if you listeners at home look up thomas hawarden right now you will see records from the 1500s of this guy existing jesus again this is tough doesn't explain much because a hoaxer could look that name up absolutely but if there's a hoaxer he did at least least do his homework because it turns out Thomas Worden went to the college that Lucas said he went to. He stayed there for eight years.

He was actually expelled. He was always on his BBC micro during class. And they were like, how did you get that? Are you on Miniclip? What is a Miniclip? You guys don't know what Newgrounds is, but it's going to be home to some sweet flash animation one day. So around this point, Ken does what he really should have done right in the beginning.

He gets a paranormal research team involved. Yes! He gets the Society for Psychical Research involved. Now, this is a real society. Yeah, I know those guys. Granted, we started it. Yeah, exactly. I kind of threw it under the bus there.

Even if you lose your keys, call us. Anything. Oh, was that a creek outside? creek outside call us husband won't leave you alone call us now paranormal but we'll deal with it i bought a gun i just want to say that my business it's my side hustle actually my side hustle is my side arm not really really a job, but I've got a piece recently. Just go to job interviews and it's like, oh, well, you know, we've heard word from people that you're really great. Did you bring a CV with you? It appears you have a gun.

It's actually a cool little life hack. People take you a lot more seriously when you're in a gun. When you're in a gun. Just us on stage at like a TEDx conference. You know, I was bullied whenever I was at school. I was kind of a little guy. People picked on me. And whenever I got older, I discovered the secret.

Down a back alley for 200 pounds, I bought a 9 mil. Not gay sex. It was a gun. A 9 mil dick. So these psychical researchers come to visit the house. They bring around experts on ghost contact, tech-mediated ghost contact, computer scientists. Nice.

And they look at a whole host of things, like maybe messages are being uploaded via power lines. So I guess they're thinking it could be something wacky like that. I mean, it's like, you know, extraordinary claims needs extraordinary evidence. Someone even suggests, is there a dictation software that maybe someone is, again, using sound, like speaking this somehow? Right. That would make sense why grammatically it's all over the place and nonsensical. But upon hearing 2109, they're very very interested but they say no more in the matter and all the while the poltergeist activity is popping off once more ken and co are pretty frustrated and confused so once again they message 2109 listen this is your goddamn fault

yeah he like calls up 2109 he's like what is happening in the house please explain this and they get a a file back from 2109 possibly you refer to the forces that you yourself have unleashed it is correct for you to assume that the poltergeist phenomena is present in communications but we can say very little about this subject as only what you will know already for reasons surely evident to you three poltergeist phenomena as follows and they basically give future scientific research about poltergeist phenomena they say surplus kinetic energy projected by either one or more individuals or by storage channels held within buildings and places where strong emotions such as frustration have been felt most common energy centered around an individual released for many reasons usually children between ages of 12 to 19 87.9 percent girls in all but three recorded cases no injuries

inflicted by the source last cases of injury sustained by a falling beam recorded in 2006 why does he have time for this? He made everything sound like it was so urgent. It sounded like it was so up against the wire. Someone's about to be killed in the olden days, and now he's like, oh yes, poltergeist activity. One of my favorite subjects. And now he's just going on a rant about it.

Let's start a podcast. You would be dope as my first guest, bro. We could talk about all this cool shit in the future podcasts are also in video form do you mean just videos yes i forgot you had those two your puny minds could never comprehend vhs we have vhs oh shit what time is this i thought I was talking to the 1500s again I meant DVD do you know about YouTube

the future's quite boring really we still have YouTube what do you make of that he gives us this research about poltergeists quote unquote please

research the entire investigation yeah quote unquote research About poltergeists. Quote-unquote, please. Research. The entire investigation. Yeah, quote-unquote research. Also very interesting that he mentions a reported poltergeist injury in 2006, bearing in mind Ken's receiving this in 1985. So what was the one that he mentioned in 2006? Did it ever come to fruition?

No. There we go. But trouble is, if you Google that, today we're obviously beyond 2006 now. Yep. If you search poltergeist falling beam injury, something like that, not much comes up, to be honest. I did see a record of like a firefighter being injured by some sort of like building support beam 2006 but i mean that's

probably not poltergeist no um there's more fire related i assume the poltergeist started the fire dude uh it's tough though because you don't know what's caused by a poltergeist what's the chances think of all the seven billion people that live in the world today if someone's being haunted by a poltergeist a do they know it right b does it ever get reported is the person killed that's a good point you know because all we have record of is the reported cases of paranormal activity there's got to be so many that go unreported i mean if i had a paranormal experience i mean the one i had in in dublin for example yeah the port that paranormal experience yeah i didn't talk about that i didn't write a blog about that or go to a newspaper about it

yeah i mean that's because you knew it not to be true though so well you know i to this day believe it it could very well be true but i mean i know you say that for the podcast but yeah but uh but at the time you didn't think that happened did you i mean it was pretty i think you knew it was a dream it's pretty certain you know it's pretty certain that it hadn't happened it's fine we can talk about we'll talk about it another time we'll get back to it um yeah all we have are the documented cases so it could have very well happened and we didn't even know about it it's true uh you know that's kind of devil's advocate it does of course open a whole can of worms about how would 2109 know about it if it wasn't widely documented even in

2006 oh yeah but they do seem to have kind of crazy interdimensional powers of travel and communication yeah so definitely interesting, not conclusive in any way of anything. Got it. Well, the next day, 2109 follows up with another message and they're pissed off. They're freaking pissed. Who? We have reason to believe you have Lucas Weinman's true name.

If this is correct, you must say so, so we may rectify the problem immediately before it is accepted. You may now continue to write to Lucas to establish your responsibility to our experiments and towards a better understanding of time and its forces. No, look, no. This has gone on too far. Does anyone, do any of the three of them know what's actually going on?

It's getting quite confusing. But don't worry, if you feel confused... We're very much at the base. We are at base camp of Confusing Mountain. And we shall be scaling post-haste. Population, the author. Oxygen is known to thin

at the top of confusing mountain I hope you're prepared it's not that you've missed something

it is confusing okay there's a lot going on so Ken says I mean like what do I care whatever

we figured it out yes so you know Lucas Wayman isn't his real name. It's Thomas O'Warden. What the f*** ever. Exactly.

What does it matter? Oh, if only you had listened. At present, you have two Lucases running around your house. If at any time... What? If at any time the two Lucases are to meet, we cannot explain the devastation that will erupt within the time continuum. We must stop communication with Lucas 1, but we cannot interfere with Lucas 2 while we decide what can be done to rectify the problem.

You must help by giving us every word uttered by Thomas Howard from the second you received his true name. You must also state how much information you have in this man. Everything, word for word. Avoid any other communication you have with him. Desperation, be quick, be quick. Okay. Ken and Debbie do not know what to make of this.

Who should they even be listening to at this point? Surely 2109 cannot be serious about the devastation it would cause across the space-time continuum. Right. And to make matters even more confusing, they're getting messages from they-don't-even-know-where. Another file appears in the computer simply reading, What are you scared of?

Ken asks 2109, again politely, to stop the poltergeist activity. Can they please help them with that at least? Because their life is kind of in ruin. Right. As you've seen from the picture, they don't have a chair to sit in anymore. Woodnito is messing the place up. They said, Yes, we shall hold back as best we can on the poltergeist.

Ask the man David what he thinks of conjectural take-ons and what his theories of causality... Oh, shut up. And what are his theories of causality Oh, shut up. And what are his theories of causality? What answer does he have for its paradox? Cheers. Oh, no, shut up.

This is mad. If the 2109 people were the ones that gave the dude the computer in the first place, why can't they just come back now and just talk with the people in the present day? They't give him that that was some sort of accident but because because if you the last messages we've got 2109 seem to have lost control of the situation okay they are relying on ken in 1985 to maintain contact with lucas right in the past or thomas as he's now known i think

if they were able to just zip back and sort this whole thing out they would right um so which indicates that it maybe wasn't them or at least not the people who are messaging ken so at this point what does ken have to do stop two lucases from meeting about his house yes okay and meeting and disrupting the space time continue of course keep up dude you idiot and it turns out this david they mention is one of the men working with the research team investigating the case this is the society for psychical research when they ask david he says that's weird. I've been lecturing my students at the college on tachyons very recently. And amidst this, I should just point out, the gang are receiving a ton of messages from 2109 and all sorts of corners.

At one point, Ken mentions using a telephone. This is kind of funny. 2109 replies, Yes, telephones, the things that you may consider advanced communication. If only you could see what is to come. Why is he bragging now? This isn't the time to brag. We are not entirely in command of this experiment. I get that.

I get that. We can only say that communications will cease no earlier than november if you tell us who is one then we shall give you a hundred percent evidence for the people directly investigating your phenomena so they're kind of doing a bit of a bargain here they're like just look we've only got till november these guys are kind of revealing themselves to be kind of pen pushers yeah um they're kind of like look we've until november to wrap this up please get us the data we need on thomas warden tell us who one is so we can tidy this whole shit up and we'll let you know whatever you want to know so seeing this conversation between 2109 and ken the spr society

for psychical research said look can we write some questions as well we want to know some stuff so they ask how do your people use this communication? What's going on? And 2109 get back. Peter you are without any exaggeration a clever and cautious man whom have thought with great care your words. Here are some facts accepted in our time. One, if a person is to physically travel in time, then they must take the living place of a person at the point of destination and vice versa.

Oh. Imagine a set of scales balanced perfectly with pebbles. To remove a pebble from one dish to the other and keep this perfect balance, you must instantaneously remove a pebble from the other and replace them in reverse order. Unnecessary.

I think everyone had a firm grasp on what he meant you may move a couple of pebbles already in the dish but the vital balance is still kept if someone is brought in from another dimension he's really slaying it on now we got it man no you don't understand if one were to take seven pebbles, you must also take seven. It's like, yeah, cool. Eight pebbles will result in an equal eight pebbles being. Oh, my God. They just said how smart he was as well. Like, you're an intellectual man, Peter.

Now to condescend you beyond belief. For a prehistoric little bitch, you are quite smart, Peter. But in the future where we have giant brains and giant hogs, you are merely a surface dweller. You and your tiny brain and packer are no use to us. I bet you can barely satisfy your girlfriend. Two, matter will not, as we know, ever travel in time. This is not a contradiction to the above information. Three. We are not in control of this experiment. I will stress that.

This has gotten out of our hands. I am both drunk and high. At the wheel. Weed in the future is super strong. I'm not just a lightweight. This is some heavy duty shit. 2109

knows how to party. For Thomas is a person living in the 16th century but unknown to him he is not quite what he seems to be. Ken, there is a possibility that you may persuade Thomas to call up his chat one tonight as it is imperative that we speak to him immediately.

That was kind of interesting about the time travel, though, I thought. Someone traveled back in time to give Lucas slash Thomas the box with lights, the computer, the ability to contact the future. Right. So does that mean there's been a trade? Also, they said that matter cannot go back in time. So does that mean that it's people's like minds or souls or something is that what's traveling back yeah or then how did he get a

computer back yeah is it just some sort of is it like in that movie arrival it's like the aliens gift the humans something and what it turns out out is they gift them the ability to see through time. Right. Information can travel time, but matter cannot. Okay. So who is this character one or John? This is the guy that Lucas claimed that appeared to him and gave him the box of lights. That's all we know.

Additionally, I told you that the Society for Psychical Research had a few questions. One of the things they wanted to know, and this was pretty darn smart of them. If you're from the future, tell us where in the night sky is the next supernova going to happen? Not like when's my cat next going to like shit in the kitchen. Right. What's the next astronomical event that humans cannot interfere with? What's the next time it's going to happen? And they reply, David, you interfere with what's the next time it's going to happen and they reply

david you interfere with communication yes we are from what you would call a tachyon universe but your understanding is incorrect yes we will give you a plotting of a star next time we move at a speed so that we cover every point in your time and universe. We have no form. We feed of a neat energy that you will not have heard of. Biscuits. We had those. Shit. It is an advanced feeding supplement

placed in a bowl, preferably with cold milk. Cereal? Shit. I didn't think you guys had that. Cocoa puffs from 2109 are much more advanced than cocoa puffs of your time.

This entity they're communicating with is not even human anymore. And they say that they're moving at a speed that they can cover every time and space of the universe. It's all very cryptic. Alongside these messages, Ken also receives bizarre files that read like code and he wonders whether he was ever supposed to receive these at all and people who research this plan to kill ken he knows too much i don't think this was supposed to go to me shit ken we meant a different ken we like you bro two one three-8-8 colon irrecoverable state

reason for your pretext state what prerequisite you intend state logical explanation for intrusive behavior upon 1985. This is not your concern. Request com.link62plot.chan 45295

request answer immediate colon fed awaiting reasons for delay. Okay. It says, State logical explanation for the intrusive behavior upon 1985. This is not your concern. So again, it's not like these guys are like pen pushers from the future. This sounds like a forum or like a chat or something. Exactly. like pen pushers from the future this sounds like a forum or like a chat or something exactly it's like they're being reprimanded or something for contacting 1985 at all yeah like they're maybe

being like hey well what are you guys doing with this contact with the past so there seems to be there's some sort of something technical going on here but 2109 do you get back with an answer the next day to some of david's questions david SPR. And he had asked about this supernova. So they write, David and John observe bottom right-hand region of the southern hemisphere near to the center equator. Seventh celestial body in the Delphinus constellation could soon be a quasar. But David, doing his homework, he says in relation to the supernova,

that's incorrect. They must have it wrong because that area of sky is in the northern hemisphere not the southern hemisphere but then they think to themselves here's i don't mean to red pill you sons of bitches but this statement by 2109 would make sense if you were looking at the Milky Way from outside the Milky Way. Oh. Kind of like subtly backs up what they were saying about they're not really based on Earth anymore. Yeah, yeah.

And as I say, this whole time, Ken is getting, frankly, bombarded with messages that he just doesn't know where they're from. Those ones that we've read are signed off 2109. They all kind of make sense. But he's getting loads. We don't know whether they're from 2109 other people maybe from this guy one things like i know your greatest fears why don't you just move at this point or just smash the computers sledgehammer through the computer it's all over yeah all is not what it appears you can't afford to be angry someone is in trouble and again more information that just seems like it's leaking through one reads sm fields will cause more than disruption

with this kind no more games tell them why don't you you know why it's as if like people within 2109 are maybe arguing with each other it's just becoming a huge mess of messages crossing wires and it's not even just on the computer anymore they find more writing on the walls one day god damn it the eyes are open yet nothing do you see the gray retarding mass is your convict quietly alone he sits in the dark waiting for sentence to be passed and demanding through the eyes of the blind of unspoken questions to be answered of ethereal kind the soul he is the traveler. Chain nor bark can hold him to frail flesh.

Here is the ruler of time and space. Here is your God. Which is very confusing, but also just very disconcerting. Nothing helps. Nothing is helping. Nothing is helping, no. You think if you're from the future and you're advanced enough, you'd know by now. You'd just be like, all right, sidebar.

Guys, this isn't working sidebar guys this isn't working like this isn't working i don't think we're talking to him in the right language if they're smart enough if the people in the present yeah are smart enough to communicate effectively with the man from the past yes why aren't the people from the future who have evolved beyond human bodies smart enough to capably contact and talk with the people of the present well i think 2109 are doing in the spectrum of this story they're doing a decent job of like if you just pick out the 2109 messages i guess it's like a conversation between each message but it's just i think these messages where we don't know where they're coming from whether

they're lucas maybe they're Juan. It's like drunk texting. That's what it is in the future. It's crazy. This is like how your phone messages inbox would read if you posted your phone number on a forum somewhere. This is what it would look like. And again, 2109 making a little bit more sense than these other messages. They give them some direct instructions this time.

They say, We need you to do the following. There is a brilliant researcher named Gary M. Rowe. His ideas differ somewhat to yours, but nevertheless, he can help you with a couple of your problems. You may phone him at the number below and subscribe up top, comment down below, and invite him to talk with you. When he comes, show him this and ask him what he makes of it. Peter must do the telephoning. Weirdly specific.

So Peter types in his telephone number. It's a UK number, and a Mr. Gary Rowe picks up, and he's a ufologist. He seems to understand and doesn't ask too many questions, but he comes around to the house to research the case with all his gizmos and gadgets. Gotcha. 2109 actually get Cairn to print out their messages without reading them and give them in sealed envelopes to Gary. They say,

The communication between Gary and 2109 is not of interest to you. Gary has a better understanding of us than you do. His experiences are most definitely an advantage to this. You will pay Gary whatever Gary wants and Gary shall have free reign of the house and biscuits. Gary likes sandwiches without crusts. I mean, I thought that point was pretty fascinating though because you were contacting someone from the future

and you were this disembodied alien entity with crazy technological capabilities. Right. And you were messaging people in the past and they just weren't getting it. You might turn to your local UFOlogist. Maniac. Yeah, your paranormal investigator. Yeah. And you're just like, okay, these guys have an open mind.

Talk to them. Not like you, Ken. You can, goddamn. We thought you'd get this by now. Narc bitch. Yeah. Because Ken was a teacher. Maybe they were like, yeah, he's a smart guy.

He's a teacher. He's going to understand. Yeah. But his mind isn't open the same way Gary Rose is. And this whole time, engaging with 2109, Lucas has not been able to contact the folks. We think maybe 2109 was blocking that in some way and in one of these later messages lucas reveals the night the box of lights was given to him he says that his friend katherine was asleep by the fire in his house

one night and he picked her up to take her to bed. All of a sudden, a green light shimmered on the wall. It became huge, and out of the light stepped out what he thought was the devil himself. He was paralyzed with fear, and a person stepped out. Fear not, Thomas, you are starved to be a great man if you do not have fear, but keep your faith strong. Lucas thought his words didn't sound like the devil so he listened and he left with Lucas the box of lights in his house. But Lucas quickly realized when Catherine woke up that Catherine couldn't see the box. She didn't even hear Lucas speak to the one. She said

silly Thomas you were in your dreams. So I lucas is kind of left maybe not knowing whether it was a dream but he's left with this like as if he's had like a mental breakdown he can see this box that no one else seems to be able to see yeah that must suck i mean i guess it could be worse you mean how long do you just ignore it like yeah at least a box is manageable i feel like if that happened to you and it was like the devil man that stepped up and he was just hanging out in your house. All the time, yeah. All the time.

Hey, what a sandwich. Oh, God. But a few days later, when Catherine was in the house and singing, Lucas noticed that the singing had been turned into words on the box of life. And that's when he discovered that he could speak to this thing and the words would come up on the processor ah that is how he's been communicating with ken okay he didn't know it was going to go anywhere but he just knew that he could speak into it and see the words before him so the time comes

eventually they get to october and it's got to the date when running out of time they've run out of time 2109 are saying they're shutting this investigation down whether you like it or not yeah and lucas knows this lucas and ken and debbie they've built up a rapport at this at this point they're great friends they've shared thousands of messages probably at this point over the last year and a half and and lucas is very touched and and he he writes a lovely message um on the on the micro up this file. One day, we will all sit down at my table for wine and meat by the river in Oxford, and we will read each other's books. In your time, my book will be very old, but I will not go to my God until it is written,

and we will be truly embraced. My love to you all, I shall await you in Oxford. What a sweetie. Did he say what his book was called? We'll get to that. Okay. The Bible. The Torah, I think.

It's the last days of this investigation. And 2109 leave a similar message. Ken, Deb, Peter, true other nightmares. It's so unemotional. True are the nightmares of those that fear. What you fear will be your reality if you let it. Believe in yourselves. Safe are the bodies of the silent world.

As long as your kind cannot penetrate our world, we are safe. Turn, pretty flower, turn towards the the sun for you shall grow and so but the flower reaches too high and with withers in the burning light knowledge will be your progress but your kind are coming close to getting their fingers burnt indirectly you may prevent this get out your bricks get ready to build brackets write the book pussycat pussycat went to london to seek fame and fortune the cat went to visit the queen but instead frightened the little mouse under the chair what is happening off i would have smashed the computer so long ago thomas did eventually write his book and soon died shortly after it was placed in a secure place it shouldn't take too many years to find it

though he wrote it in latin with the help of a friend that he met in oxford the inscription reads me writes this in the hope that mine fellows will one day find this book then may our lands be not so distant we will finish now you have a lot of work to do there is no need for you to write back as we will be gone thank you for your cooperation so you got to go find the book no one's oh are you serious god damn it shit i mean i didn't i couldn't keep you guys hanging there any longer the book has not been found okay needless to say the book has not been found he said he's hid it in a secure location hope probably somewhere in london or whatever we don't know

if that's you know in a bank somewhere or like in storage somewhere he said it was secure but it shouldn't take too long to find it's written in latin and the mouse the charming mouse who knows what that means good god absolute nonsense but it's such a delicious story imagine how much it would change things that would be insane yeah no one's someone no one's managed to find the book no but i mean this is a pretty niche story so i don't know like i hold out hope that maybe one day this book ends in a pretty unsatisfying conclusion because we're just left wanting this book that lucas wrote but i think before we get to you frankly shitting all over the story i've painted over the last i didn't say i was gonna do that but sir your

trousers are done you're hovering over my laptop um i thought it would be fun for me to troll the internet and just see what people were saying about this there's kind of like a little active community people discussing this and what's kind of crazy is because this was written in the 80s the people that wrote this ken debbie nicola peter, Peter, they're alive. They're out there. Right. And so I did come across some comments from these guys. Not Ken. Ken's dead.

Stuck a revolver in his mouth. He said, I'm going to go meet Lucas. Do not fear the charming mouse. What? I hath flown too close to the sun, little flower. Imagine him saying that. Pussycat, pussycat. Pussycat, pussycat.

Bought a revolver. So I found one article online which was discussing this and Debbie, Ken's partner, Debbie started chiming into the conversation. She wrote, Both Ken and I are now living fairly normal lives and I feel very privileged to have had such an experience. To this day, we really are no closer to any answers

on the whole thing and believe me we have continued to search in our naivety both ken and i thought that at the time people would just well believe us why on earth would anyone want to make up something like that after all we did hope we would get help in understanding what had happened to us but all we ended up getting was letters from nutters filmmakers and people who wanted to turn it into a love story across time so yes going public was pretty much a pointless exercise i'm afraid people also forget the fact that the book had to be condensed most of the 15 to 18 months of the phenomena nothing eventful happened when it did well it was very interesting to say the least on one thread online in the section, Gary Rowe, the ufologist who 2109 specifically asked for Ken and Debbie to contact,

he's pretty active in this comment thread, and he's been replying to everyone, everyone's questions about it. As recently as a month or two ago this year. Ridiculous. You can literally, I mean, I'll show you right now. There's his facebook profile god gary rowe way more younger than i thought he would hmm it's not that long ago in the scheme of things is it i guess not yeah and he basically just seems to be saying i investigated it with

professionalism um i'm not a crazy person it was pretty inexplicable he recommends that everyone reads between the lines and tries to best understand it, but he just can't really shed any more light on it than what's already there. Fair enough. An honest man. I can respect that. Absolutely.

So, I've taken you on quite a journey, Rory Pars. Yeah. I've taken you from the 1500s through 1985 through 2109. It's been unbelievable in the truest sense of the word yeah so what are your initial thoughts this story is mad it doesn't make any sense in any form which is why rory's rolling up his sleeves ready to get into fisticuffs i just i don't get if you were gonna make this up why wouldn't you make up a story that makes more sense exactly why wouldn't it have more of a logical conclusion unless you're just terrible at storytelling and english and you just created this way too convoluted self-indulged

story about time travel and weird old machines yeah uh how much is a bbc micro this isn't something we can buy one yeah let me? Yeah. Let me find out. I could probably search really quick on my phone. There was actually someone on our Twitter, got in contact to say that they sat their O-levels, I think, kind of the modern equivalent would be GCSEs. They sat that on the BBC Micro back in the day. No way.

And I asked him, I said, what was it like to use? I'd love to try one one time. He's like, well, I kept getting all these messages for 2109 you are tempted to cheat yes well we know everything somewhere between 75 to 100 pounds that's pretty good yeah that doesn't seem too bad i mean i'm not gonna we already don't make money from this last thing we need to do is start buying the whole yeah old shit you're the investigator here what did you what's your where are you coming down yeah i think that's a very good point for better for worse one of the best arguments for this not being a hoax is how convoluted it is right it's not like a neat hollywood story no not at all really so i think it leads people to want to investigate it

but yeah come to absolutely no conclusions regarding it additionally i think it leads people to want to investigate it but yeah it comes to absolutely no conclusions regarding it additionally i think in favor of maybe the veracity of this story is there does seem to be pretty decent paper trail of people involved in it and surrounded in it okay vouch for these people as people who lived in this small town in england yeah and say yeah like it didn't really affect their lives in a good way um they wrote this book uh seemingly pretty earnestly like i mean for goodness sake like peter was one of the local school teachers ken was one of the local school teachers seemingly normal people i think it was peter i thought it was him at the beginning and i still think it's him now i i think what happened to ken i think he believed it was happening right but i don't

have enough evidence to think it was actually time traveling communications but i also don't know what it could have what else it could have been i know what you mean there's there was like a funny few, and I had to leave out some details for the sake of brevity, like where 2109 says, lol, this is a hoax. Yeah, of course. That was an interesting note.

Kind of ruins the mood. Yeah. The way they need to speak specifically to different people, like we need to speak specifically to Gary. We need to speak specifically to Peter. Yeah. Take it to Peter. At one point, I think Gary, I might mentioned that gary is getting reprimanded for being too

near the computer the 2109 is basically saying leave debbie in the room oh right yeah weird stuff like that where well how do i know that that wasn't peter that wasn't debbie just typing it all up you know yeah yeah that's a really good point. In the case of a crime, you know, often it's the most obvious person or the person closest to them sort of thing. Yeah, and it's hard to believe the book written about the murder if it's written possibly by the killer. So, you know, don't really know who to believe in that situation. I would understand more the link between the present and the future

not to the past to the extent that was happening that sounds insane it's a bit like they say time travel will be possible from the point we invent the time machine but you won't be able to go back yeah it's a bit like saying yeah you can use a computer once it's invented to contact the future yeah exactly you can't go back once it's invented to contact the future. Yeah, exactly. But you can't go back. But I guess their workaround was they went back in time and gave the computer to the 1600s. Yeah, but then that's also insane because it goes back in time. Sure, I'll believe that.

But now he's got a computer delivered in a dream that only one man can see. It's like, where's the technology at? What is that? What does that even mean? That's insane when using time travel you must remove one pebble replace with another pebble 2109 did a pretty good job of giving away just enough information to make it seem legit right but they never really gave away so much that it was like truly mind-blowing yeah but i feel like they maybe

slightly fell short on the kind of irrefutable proof that they were from the future i think if you were from the future you feel like the best way to get people on your side is to maybe go your dog is gonna get hit by a car on tuesday and then this space car comes flying out of nowhere kills the dog comes out of a wormhole, kills the dog into another wormhole. You could have done anything. You could have made breakfast,

had it sitting for me first thing in the morning. I didn't have to kill my dog. He was flying too close to the sun. He had it coming. Okay, I think I've taken you on enough of a journey and I feel like you made your mind up last episode unfortunately i think all things considered you know it's a very nice story very romantic story um but i think i'm gonna land on a no you're like wow i honestly didn't see that

coming that honestly you were on board. That honestly hurts a little bit. It actually smarts. That being said, I too am a no. Where do you come down as the investigator? There's too much going on. There's too many things for me to have to say yes to. I just don't know if it's true.

But I will say it is one of my favorite investigations we've covered on this show so far. And for that reason, it's a no. Two no's. Two no's, unfortunately, but a riveting tale nonetheless. We'll chalk that one up to a loss. So we're going to post a Twitter poll because I think this one could be quite divisive. I think people enjoyed last week's episode

and hopefully this week's episode. So we're going to see what people are thinking out there. See if anyone's read the book. See if they know better than us. You can find that at This Paralife on Twitter. You can also email us your own suggestions, stories, anything at all, really, to thisparanormallifepodcast at gmail.com.

We'll be back next week with another riveting tale of the paranormal. Goodbye. Thank you.