This Paranormal Life - #058 The Alien Invasion Of Zimbabwe

Episode Date: April 24, 2018

In 1994 no less than 62 children claimed to have had a close encounter with an extraterrestrial during a normal school day in Zimbabwe. What happened that day? Did anyone believe them? Where are they ...now? This is their story. Join us as we explore Ruwa, Zimbabwe on this episode of This Paranormal Life!Support us on Patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife to get access to weekly bonus episodes!Buy Official TPL Merch! - thisparanormallife.com/storeFollow us on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTubeJoin our Secret Society Facebook CommunityIntro music by www.purple-planet.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Who will be the next species to rule the earth and why is it spiders? Can ghosts swim? Answers to these questions and more on this episode of This Paranormal Life. Hey! Welcome back to the podcast. It is Tuesday and you are here with your two favorite paranormal investigators in the whole wide world. This is Rory Powers.
Starting point is 00:00:18 Hi, how's it going? My name's Kit Greer. And if you're tuning in for the first time, This Paranormal Life is a podcast where every week we dissect a different paranormal tale, beast, claim, and we get to the bottom of whether it is true or whether it is false. And you know, if you are tuning in for the first time,
Starting point is 00:00:35 honestly, f*** off. Yeah, we said professional paranormal investigators. We cater to the day ones. From this point onward, it's going to be jokes and references that you will not understand. We basically, at this point, have our own language. Mataka no hoi, kid. Mataka no hoi.
Starting point is 00:00:54 Basically, flahoo off. You could just uckfay off. You little astrid bay. Like always, like every week, we're just going to dive right in. Yeah. I'm going to be real with you guys for a second. There's been a lot of no's on this podcast lately. There has been. It's not something I'm proud of. You know, we always try to bring the most groundbreaking stories to the table. Absolutely. Sometimes those just aren't the most believable stories.
Starting point is 00:01:19 It's true. Sometimes to draw in a crowd, you got to lie. That's what my papa always said anyway. Baba the traveling thief. And that's why on this episode, I have a tale so true, you might as well just say yes right now, Roy. All right, I'm in. So these days, UFO sightings are ten a penny. You know, Johnny over there in the middle of nowhere, he's in his back garden, he sees an orb in the night sky.
Starting point is 00:01:48 That's great and all. Yeah. But it turns out Johnny was drinking that night. Hell, Johnny's unemployed too, and turns out he could do with the media attention. Right. Next thing you know, the UFO was actually a dragonfly, and he's wasted everyone's time, including ours.
Starting point is 00:02:04 Absolutely. And, you know, we're talking about the present day, the age of information. You know, back in the olden days, if you saw an alien, hell, if he walked right up to you and slapped you across the face, who are you going to tell? Who's going to believe you? But nowadays you can be tweeting this stuff. You can be periscoping, Instagramming. Exactly. You know, the coverage is great, but it also gives a platform and a voice to these
Starting point is 00:02:26 whistleblowers these these um who's the guy that cried wolf that little shit does he have a name you know the dude that cried wolf in the story yeah i don't think so little asshole you're talking about a real life whistleblower or no. Okay. No, the boy who cried wolf. Little ass. That's right. They're wasting our time. And by the way, our time is very expensive.
Starting point is 00:02:54 We're like high-powered lawyers over here. That's right. Our normal investigator costs about a grand an hour if you're wondering. And that's a cheap rate. That's right. That's the mate's rates. So listen,
Starting point is 00:03:02 it's like court. It's all about witnesses. That is the holy grail. Someone else who saw the same thing who can independently verify it. Right. Unfortunately, this happens much less often. Turns out most people see UFOs when they're like blackout drunk at 3 a.m. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:19 And hell, I am not one to judge. I once saw space debris re-enter the atmosphere and tear across the sky while drinking in the street a few years back. I think I've told you about this story, Rory. The first time for me, actually. And maybe if I had had one more beer that night, I too would have called Coast to Coast AM
Starting point is 00:03:37 or emailed Alex Jones about it. But there are certain times in history when not just one, but many people share a paranormal encounter. But many people are drinking together and have experienced the paranormal. Indisputable proof that aliens are real. Stag-doos see more paranormal events than the rest of the world combined. But no one believes them because they're drunk off their...
Starting point is 00:04:04 The year was 1998 interior crack den crack den roswell new mexico couldn't tell if it was a crack rock burning up in my peripheral vision or if it was an alien craft re-entering the atmosphere anyway it wanted custody of the kids and said see you in court before it flipped me of the kids and said, see you in court before it flipped me off, the little alien grey. Yeah, sometimes there are just enough people that see the same thing
Starting point is 00:04:32 to prove it beyond all doubt. Today, I have such a case. Okay. But there is a plot twist. All of our witnesses are six years old. Jesus Christ. Specifically, six to 12 years old. There's a little bit more leeway than that.
Starting point is 00:04:48 Okay. Six to 12 years old. Primary school children. All right. I'm going to take a sip of my Lombardi liquid of the dead here. It's ice cold. Really? Really?
Starting point is 00:05:02 Tears at the vocal cords. There's like a visible i don't know smoke emitting from that bottle you really shouldn't be drinking that you look thirstier now than you did before you drank it i don't know how that's possible my eyes a healthy shade of purple yet you look, my eyes are now the shape of cat eyes. Fucking hell. Like it goes away after a couple hours. Don't worry about it.
Starting point is 00:05:33 Anyway, if you've got any catnip around this joint. The year, 1994. Pulp fiction is in the cinema. OJ Simpson is arrested. And most relevant to this story, Nelson Mandela is the new president of South Africa. Okay. And not too far away, in Rua, Zimbabwe, people's lives are about to be changed forever. The staff at Ariel Primary School in Rua are on their mid-morning break, preparing class for the afternoon, when they hear screaming from outside
Starting point is 00:06:05 not unusual in the play park of course these kids are young they're probably playing games you know it's not a game scotch worst teacher earplugs in why is no one helping us? Flames clearly coming from the building. But the teachers know something really is wrong when they see the look on the children's faces as they run inside. They see real terror in their eyes. They're crying. And they have just one word for their teachers.
Starting point is 00:06:41 Abutu koloshis. That's a big word. It's a long word. Long word. What? the teachers are puzzled that's the name of a zimbabwean legend of a child-eating demon oh my god but it's it's not really even a cryptid it's more of a myth like the banshee or something it's like a folk legend so it's not even like seeing like bigfoot right right it's like seeing santa claus yeah something like that but i guess in this case he's like a child yeah yeah but so what the kids were spooked but teachers know what kids imaginations are like and how rumors are spread so they calm
Starting point is 00:07:20 them back down listen kids nothing happened chill the f**k out and they get them back into class we've got times tables to learn back to it And they told them to forget the whole thing. Right. Well, the school day ends and everyone goes home. The following day, the teachers at aerial school went to work thinking it was all over until 9.30am. They start receiving phone calls, worried parents turning up at the school. What happened yesterday? What happened to the kids? Did you do something? What did they see? Our children are freaked the f*** out.
Starting point is 00:07:48 And this is when they realize maybe something actually happened yesterday at break time. Okay. Maybe the kids weren't just trying to get out of class or screw with their teachers. Whatever they saw that day, they at least believed. The kids were talking crazy stories about an object moving through the sky, disappearing and reappearing in a bizarre way at lightning speed. My God. The staff and parents knew this wasn't easily explainable.
Starting point is 00:08:13 They couldn't just pin this on a plane or helicopter. And so they called in the help of Cynthia Hind, Africa's most prominent UFO hunter at the time. Okay, this is escalating very quickly. I think if you the teachers at your school are requesting the assistance from a professional ufologist, you pull your kid out of that school. You absolutely pull your kid out of that school. The irony is this is an incredibly expensive school by the way. I'm not joking. You don't want to see the poor schools like down the street.
Starting point is 00:08:45 Those kids are getting probed, abducted, slaughtered non-stop because no one They have aliens running the school.
Starting point is 00:08:53 The headmaster's ten feet tall with lizard eyes. He is a bonafide grey. All the grey pupils like bully all the human pupils. Yeah. There's real like cliques in the
Starting point is 00:09:06 lunchroom look at this little bitch timmy he doesn't even eat slime get out of here you little normal food eating bastard all the cool kids high-fiving with their tongues tongues you're sending your kid to school it's like listen to me i know you wanted to go to the expensive school down the road where all your friends went from from preschool but look we can't afford it this year maybe next year we'll try and get you in it'll give you a great education it's a school of life you know okay papa school. Okay, I understand. Money's tight. You're very mature for your age, Timmy. I know. He goes into the first class.
Starting point is 00:09:49 La la la la la. Like, alright, welcome to class, everyone. We got a new pupil, Timmy. Timmy, could you tell us the relative element to make fuel composed from dark matter? Timmy's just like sitting there with his times tables. Cat goes meow. go see the principal like open the door in the principal's office is like tentacles of his timmy's like this is too much so they can't so they call in this ufologist when cynthia arrives at the school she asks right away to see the site of the event.
Starting point is 00:10:28 And shortly after that, she asked to talk to the kids about what happened. She quickly realized that whilst details between each child's story were different, they all seemed to be talking about the same thing. The aerial school has a very diverse classroom. And although tuition was pretty expensive, there were kids from all different backgrounds and heritages.
Starting point is 00:10:48 There were kids from Zimbabwean tribes, white European families from South Africa and all over. X-Star from the moons of Pluto. Of course. Cynthia had a theory that each kid described what they saw in the language of their culture, because these kids are pretty young. The kids that grew up with Zimbabwean folklore
Starting point is 00:11:08 talked about seeing the abutu koloshis, the child-eating demon, or the dzvikwambo, the goblins of Shona and Ndebele folklore. But other kids described seeing something that sounded like aliens. One kid said, quote,
Starting point is 00:11:24 I'll be the UFOlogist. Okay, okay, okay. Is that a man or... It was a man, right? It was a woman. Oh, it was a woman. Cynthia, sorry. Cynthia.
Starting point is 00:11:31 All right, Billy. Tell me what you saw. Details. We need details, Billy. I don't know why you're being interrogated. I'm very scared. I could see that the little man... How little, Billy?
Starting point is 00:11:45 Specifics? About a meter. Right. He was dressed in black. Humans aren't that small, Billy. What? Are you lying to me? What?
Starting point is 00:11:53 You little f***. I'm literally one sentence into my story. I'm really... Jack, hold his hands. Oh! You're going to tell the truth, you little s***! We're going to go through this one more time. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 00:12:10 Switch blade. Oh my God. I want my dad. Your dad's a gray, Billy. What the fuck? All grays. What the fuck? So to finish Billy's testimony.
Starting point is 00:12:23 He was dressed in a black shiny suit. Then he had long black hair and his eyes, which seemed lower on his cheek than our eyes, was his eyes were enlarged and elongated. His mouth was just a slit. So to recap, a black shiny suit. He had long black hair and eyes. But his eyes seemed lower down the cheek and they were just like a little slit. So definitely weird. And I can see why people
Starting point is 00:12:50 thought this sounded like an alien. Right. So Cynthia got the children to draw what they'd seen and to recreate Cynthia's reaction, I'm going to show you the images these kids drew. Okay. So there's about eight images here. I'm just going to show Rory some quick thumbnails. All right. I want to see what these little kids drew. I was actually a pretty good artist when I was younger. Really? So I've only matured both in age and taste. So I'll be able to give a pretty good depiction of what's going on in these pictures. Sure. Of course. All right. First picture. We're looking at what looks like some sort of sombrero We're looking at what looks like some sort of sombrero landing in between some ping pong tables. Landing between some tacos.
Starting point is 00:13:32 It looks like there's some chili con carne. Rory, are you just really hungry? No. Anyway, this was the Forest of Chapotle. We're seeing some consistent themes here. If you told a random group of children with no artistic talent to draw an alien, this is very much like what you would see. If you told a group of kids with no eyes and a broken hand to draw an alien, this is the kind of crap that they would probably draw.
Starting point is 00:14:03 Okay, they're six years old. I don't see a picture for any of these kids in the arts they would probably draw they're six years old i don't see a picture for any of these kids in the arts i mean they're already grown up so well i'm sure they're actually older than us you know what one of those kids was called mark zuckerberg ever heard of him uh why don't you go ahead and check the signature at the end of that bottom one banksy yeah the banksy he actually saw a lot of shit as a child that's why he's too afraid to show his face um okay so we're seeing pretty consistent themes here the last one is definitely the creepiest which is definitely
Starting point is 00:14:36 with just a man with hollow eyes like you would see in a skeleton yeah two dots for a nose a humanoid face yeah yeah with vaguely alien like facial features yeah this is this is weird pretty creepy i don't like it so yeah definitely some ufos i mean it's kind of almost comical just how alien like they are it's almost like they weren't even trying i don't know why I hate these kids so much. I just feel like the paranormal world isn't something to be taken lightly. And I would never take any testimony from the eyes of a child. You know how they say you should see, everyone should see the eyes, see the world from the eyes of a child? Right. Horseshit.
Starting point is 00:15:18 Okay. Children are dumb and small. You should see the world through the eyes of an old codger. Someone who can barely walk. I want to see the world. the eyes of an old codger. Someone who can barely walk. I want to see the world. Afraid. Scared of mortality. I want to see the world through the eyes of a shark.
Starting point is 00:15:32 Always on alert. I can see omnidirectional. Looking for the blood. I want to see the world through the eyes of a dog. Black and white and crotch level. That's all I need. So I know what you're thinking. what actually happened that day in 1994 cynthia got a lot of different accounts but let's try and get a full picture i understand i've painted quite a broad with broad strokes here for dramatic effect
Starting point is 00:15:58 let's try and get a full picture so this is roughly how the kids told it and here's a quote from one researcher mr Mr. Nickerson. Sounds like a pedo. Sorry, I had to just say that. He sounds like a pedo. Who let him in the school? Nickerson? Mr. Nickerson McPanties or something.
Starting point is 00:16:15 Is that his name? Sick bastard. Middle name Panties. He shows up. Black eyes, long hair, shiny suit suit the kids start screaming did i mcnicholson who let him teach a class we are dangerously underfunded he's actually paying us so he said quote it was morning break and they were out in the schoolyard playing. They saw one main silver craft that had four others around it. Okay.
Starting point is 00:16:51 It came down on a hill beyond the schoolyard that was out of bounds. The boundary was the edge of the schoolyard. They ran to the edge of the schoolyard to see what this thing was. They saw this small creature walk around on top of the craft while another came down to check out the children. He was in all black with a very tight suit. The children said he had big eyes like rugby balls. Wow.
Starting point is 00:17:17 The children had direct eye contact with this creature. There seems to have been some kind of communication with the children about the state of the world, what we're doing to the planet the destruction we are causing although not all the children got this message some children were traumatized others were really excited the young children were the most traumatized as they were at the front of the group it's a really sad thing that in a lot of these stories we hear about with alien um communications you know when aliens come down right and you know they'll use their telepathic powers or their technology to to warn us about like what we're doing to the planet and how detrimental it is
Starting point is 00:17:56 and the sad thing is we're just like dude we know like we all know we are this it's like what it's like yeah we know what's happening i know humanity is just like that guy you grew up with who's like really off the rails and like has it has like maybe a like a drink problem or something you're like so true i think you should bring it in they're like i know i know like what is that it yeah all the other planets are like coming down and being like you know man you should really clean up your act a little bit and get things together. And it's like, yeah, what can you do, though? They're like, well, we're telling you. Swinging a beer.
Starting point is 00:18:33 What? So we're trying to tell you we've drawn out actually a 10-point system on how you can use, yeah, all right. Yeah, life really is f***ed, isn't it? Yeah, well, you know, you can't change the way you're born so no point crying over spilt milk lights a pile of trash on fire what like you're needlessly going out of your way to harm the planet at this point burning tires in front of them yeah but i guess if you were an alien looking down on earth, maybe you would talk to the children. The next generation. Because they don't know that on this planet, no one gives a shit what children say.
Starting point is 00:19:11 They're like, oh, we'll tell the children who will grow up to become adults and rule the country. And then the kids are going to be like, oh, my God, we learned this. We're trying to drink here, kids. If you still remember it when you're 18, f*** off again. So at this point, Cynthia knew something huge had happened here. All the kids were essentially telling the same story. This wasn't just a playground rumor. She knew she had to get this to the press's attention before this crucial story faded away into the kids' memories.
Starting point is 00:19:40 Okay. Aside from press, Cynthia knew this case needed legitimacy. Look, we are proud of being paranormal investigators, but if we're being honest... Why do you think I got this tattoo? Wow. Yeah. Too discreet? I thought we were joking about getting those matching tattoos. No. To be honest. It is big, it is large, and it is colorful. I'll be honest, the part across the nipples really stung it really did sting i see they had to amputate those puppies yeah all three of them you know i'd be lying if i said uh if i said my parents were proud of my profession society isn't proud of our profession
Starting point is 00:20:17 no hell i don't know if i'm actually proud of our profession but that's because can i get the tattoo removed i didn't know you felt this way patreon bonus dear i wouldn't have even used your face if i knew you felt this way the world we live in simply doesn't believe in us paranormal investigators cynthia knew as a ufo researcher she couldn't make the world believe in this story on her own She needed to appeal to the scientific establishment for help. She picked a man who was, quote, not only open-minded and prepared to listen, but of some academic standing, and one who's risked his credibility with his colleagues to come out and say he believes the experiences of abductees, that those experiences are very
Starting point is 00:21:02 real indeed. That man was Dr. was dr john e mac a professor of psychiatry at harvard medical school and a pulitzer prize winner for his work in 1977 wow but by the 90s his career was in an interesting place he had recently started devoting his time to ufo research nothing weird about that he became obsessed with became obsessed with the UFO abduction phenomenon. Okay, nothing weird. And he had written a best-selling book called Abduction, Human Encounters with Aliens. And though once respected, he was now being shunned by his peers. Of course, aren't we all? One researcher from Johns Hopkins said, for example, quote, John Mack is a brilliant fellow who occasionally loses it and this time he's lost it big time you know what this is so unfair because you got a guy like john all right yeah
Starting point is 00:21:51 he's writing a book about uh abductions humans interacting with aliens and he's crazy he's kooky all right but then you get some woman writing a book about little wizard boy going off to wizard school and she's a oh she's great she's what a great writer she is so you've seen the double standards here so you know that harry potter was actually fiction jk rowling it was a story was written it was about events that took place no it nobody did you know you can go to universal studios and visit hogwarts so universal studios i've seen legit pictures online of people chugging butterbeer like it's wine yeah so they made that telling me that shit is the story what i'm sorry so you know the way if you turn on espn yeah you can flick the channel you know go through all different sports channels
Starting point is 00:22:41 there's no quidditch right it's because it's not possible because it's shunned by the muggles i know okay it's actually been a really tough like yeah you say muggle like you're not one of them a muggle hell no okay how can you prove to me that you are not a muggle well i can hop on my where is it where's this son of a bitch? Hold on. Hold on here. Rory's searching his room. Nimbus 2000. Rory has a dustpan and mop. It's not even a broom. It cost me a clean grand. Okay, off who?
Starting point is 00:23:12 Craigslist. Okay, fine. And as you can see, let's see it work. If this is what it takes to prove that I am not a muggle, the joke is enough.
Starting point is 00:23:22 Rory's opening his window. I shall leap from the balcony and take off into the night sky. I f***ing dare you at this point. So long, muggle ass. Oh my f***ing god. Is that a compound fracture? Holy.
Starting point is 00:23:36 Okay, I need to stop this f***ing podcast. Are you alright? No. Why did you? I can't believe you committed to the bit like that. Cast one of the healing spells or some shit. Do you need to drop this? I didn't read the book.
Starting point is 00:23:47 What heals? I'm a muggle. The only way I get through to you is by speaking your language. I'm a muggle. I don't know what to tell you. Look, I'm going to call 911. I'm going to put you on the phone with some muggles. Just tell the muggles what's wrong with you.
Starting point is 00:24:00 Hello, muggle asses. Hello, muggle rats. I'm actually doing fine, you but actually if you could call dumbledore that'd be really chill so he doesn't know dumbledore's dad i love the idea also i haven't read the books can you bring me whatever heals a wizard i didn't read the book you read the first book you thought philosopher's stone was the only harry potter novel read the first chapter believed i was also a wizard shut the book so that's right according to john's colleagues he had lost it big time and so he flew to zimbabwe nice that'll prove him and he didn't come alone he meant business
Starting point is 00:24:43 so he brought a bb BBC documentary crew with him. Oh my gosh. They visited Ariel's school and filmed interviews with the children. And thanks to the beauty of YouTube, we can now show you some of those interviews to hear first-hand close-encounter witnesses. This is great. This is some, I mean, as far as evidence goes in paranormal cases, this is right up there in the top tier.
Starting point is 00:25:03 That's what I'm saying, bro. Something scared you, is is right up there in the top tier. That's what I'm saying, bro. or a hum, or what kind of a noise? It was like someone was blowing a flute. It felt scary? What was scary about it? Well, it felt scary because I've never seen such a person like that before. Did you see the eyes? What did they look like? They were going like that. She's pointing to like almond shaped like slit eyes. Up there. What was the feeling when you looked at the eyes? Um, it was scary.
Starting point is 00:25:53 And what, scary why? What made it scary? The eyes looked evil. Evil. And what was evil about them? Say what you mean by evil. It looked evil because it was just staring at me. With what? Staring at you as if what? This girl is trauma, straight up traumatized. It is interesting to watch the body language.
Starting point is 00:26:18 Yeah. People keep coming back to that because, I don't know, like, kids can lie, but I don't know if they're notoriously very good liars yeah these kids are quite uncomfortable like if they were child actors this is oscar worthy so both of them were running one was running and in the trees and the other one was running running across the ship because there were also trees here. The eyes were more pointed as they came in towards the center of the head, is that right? For reference, the kid is drawing a picture of Spider-Man on a notebook.
Starting point is 00:26:55 On top of the silver object, okay. And did you look at him? Yes. Did he look at you? Yes, then he gave me the creeps. Gave you the creeps. Actually, in your drawing, you showed him standing up, didn't you? Yes, I had to me the creeps and I stopped looking. Gave you the creeps. Actually in your drawing you showed him standing up, didn't you?
Starting point is 00:27:07 Yes, I had to draw him standing up because I couldn't draw him sitting. Don't twist the story. This is evidence you swore in a Bible. What I thought was maybe the world's going to end. Maybe they're telling us the world's gonna end. It was like in the world, all the trees will just go down and... And there will be no air and people will be dying. How did he get that across to you? Well, he never said anything.
Starting point is 00:27:38 It's just that the face is the eyes. Thoughts? Very interesting. Positive? Otherwise? Very interesting. the ice thoughts very interesting positive otherwise very interesting i did not think that a testimony from a group of little children was going to be so damn convincing i've i've edged a lot closer to a yes than i had ever hoped i would when this case started there's almost something weirdly like more convincing about kids because they kind of although kids have crazy imaginations they can't they do stand nothing to gain from getting people to believe
Starting point is 00:28:12 their lies very true they don't even understand the world of like media and like kids don't want to be on tv they don't care about any of that yeah and to get a story that's so consistent across all the kids because you know like if this was a lie you'd have that one little asshole kid that goes rogue and he's like and actually you know what he actually singled me out and said i was the best one of all the kids yeah he gave me a ray gun and i shot it once and then i had to give it back you would have had that kid like chiming exactly but the fact that they're all genuinely so terrified yeah giving the same testimony i think that's like
Starting point is 00:28:45 that's what the teacher said is like she she knew even in the beginning when she wasn't sure if it was paranormal she said i knew they had seen something right because you could never get them to be that scared or honest yeah so john and his colleagues were blown away by the research they did with these kids members of the crew said that this project shaped the rest of their life and opened totally new horizons as one producer mr carter said it was clear they were telling the truth their voice tone their body language they were so consistent they told their stories with such conviction and they spoke about it in their own language one child recalled being told by the alien that we should not be so tech-knowledged. And he was like, why would they make up that word even?
Starting point is 00:29:32 Yeah. Even though they didn't speak in, like, verbally. However, they did not necessarily convince the rest of the world, of course. Local reporters in Africa claimed that the sightings simply coincided with a meteor char which at least drove the kids imaginations wild and maybe explained the craft moving moving through the sky that's a big leap though it's kind of a leap to if they had just seen a ufo you could say that right but someone turning up in their back garden yeah that's crazy spider-man
Starting point is 00:30:03 eyes and when john John Mack returned home, he faced the Harvard committee accusing him of failing to do systematic evaluations to rule out psychiatric disorders and putting persistent pressure on his experiencers to convince them they'd actually been abducted by aliens. Basically, they were trying to shit all over his research into UFO abduction.
Starting point is 00:30:24 Many in the scientific community thought John had royally cocked up this investigation, that he hadn't been cautious enough with these incredibly young impressionable minds. He must have guessed his academic career was done for. But to his astonishment, when the final report came out from Harvard, they simply cautioned him and they said that Harvard wanted to reaffirm Dr. Mack's academic freedom to study whatever he wishes and to state his opinions without impediment. He remains a member in good standing with the Harvard Faculty of Medicine. Good. This was a huge win for John,
Starting point is 00:30:54 because Harvard, they weren't exactly putting their stamp on what he had been studying, but he wasn't a disgrace just for studying UFOs. Which is nice, because no one should be. Exactly. And that goes out to the whole world, especially my dad. You text your dad. Harvard says it's okay.
Starting point is 00:31:10 Let me come home, please. The Nimbus was a lie. I got scammed, dad, again. Usually on this show, we are relying on scant evidence at best, but what makes this case special is we have literally dozens of eyewitness reports of this event, and thankfully several have been reached or come forward to
Starting point is 00:31:30 researchers for comment on what happened. In one Reddit AMA just last year, two affected kids came forward. Here's what they had to say. One Reddit user asked, what message or mission could the aliens have had? and the witness replied thanks for your question i'm not sure what the purpose of the visitation was the 11 year old me was asked the same questions by the media i had no idea then and i have no idea now okay look i'm all right with that you know because if you think of it in with the rules reversed okay imagine there's aliens living on mars right okay and we go through the whole process of launching a rover all the way out there yeah onto another planet yeah imagine these aliens are looking at this thing come down and they're like oh my christ like
Starting point is 00:32:16 a message from another planet this is amazing the thing lands the rover lands picks up a rock and flies back up again you'd be like what were they trying to say what were they trying to do that's so true nothing they were just there to pick up a rock and some dirt and see what the temperature is you know who's to say that aliens don't do the same shit here on earth granted these guys i think had a bit more of an agenda than just rock picking but they kind of did the equivalent of running up to a six-year-old, grabbing them by the shoulders and going, stop killing the planet.
Starting point is 00:32:50 What? I'm six. But it is interesting. You can't always expect extraterrestrials to come with this profound message that's going to change the world. I think the ultimate example of this is elon musk launching his convertible into space right zero point no reason no one no one no one even got a say in that no world government was like you probably shouldn't so maybe like aliens yeah they are like that you know it's not like an alien it's not like take me to your leader like one planet talking to another it's just one rich ass alien one road paid as a galaxy yeah just
Starting point is 00:33:33 you know cruising just flying through the galaxy stopped off on earth to take a dump said hey to a bunch of kids snapped a quick pic and took off again i thought this was cool one reddit user asked was an alien seen running around on top of the flying saucer the witness responded it was reported by several students at the time i don't have time for that haha i mean time had slowed down incredibly slow it was as though everything was moving in slow motion at least it seemed to be it's hard to put into words okay i thought that was cool because there's a temptation to ask these people like okay like what happened as if it you could capture on like a video camera and upload it to youtube right when
Starting point is 00:34:18 the kids testimonies are kind of saying it kind of happened in slow motion they seem to be moving faster than light across the sky they talk to us but they never opened their mouths right they didn't make any sounds they telepathically communicated i got the message from them when i returned home at night it seems to kind of defy space and time a little bit exactly which would be presumably much more like what an actual uh you know conversation with an alien would be like yes it's not going to be like hey what's up you guys need to stop wrecking the planet they probably don't speak english no i actually found an article online which i will put in the show notes in which they talked to it looks like about five different people who were involved at the time between
Starting point is 00:35:00 one student there was just a guy passing, someone working in the garden in the school. They're all basically coming back with the same thing. And some of these people were adults at the time. For example, the guy who was working in the garden, he said, quote, I looked up and it was just there. It was 20 feet above the ground, hovering, making no sound.
Starting point is 00:35:19 It was glowing. It sort of changed colors. Then as it was fading, it started moving towards the pine trees, moved through without knocking anything over, just like it was a gas jeez yeah another student it was the most amazing thing i'd ever seen in my life it took a while for me to comprehend what it actually was i'd never seen anything like that before there is actually a film being made about this uh currently which is kind of drawing some new media attention to the whole story i'm only bringing this up because i was watching the trailer for it and i thought i recognized someone in it so i'll show you and see if you recognize them someone physically yeah i hope
Starting point is 00:35:57 that this film gets massive exposure and it gets people thinking about experiences they've heard about and maybe going and researching the history so one of the ghostbusters you know boy those kids are telling the truth and i was telling the truth when i had my experience and it will it's going to provide a lot of reinforcement what it kind of gives me a sense of satisfaction and vindication really because this is Dan Aykroyd talking everyone you know it's amazing
Starting point is 00:36:32 everywhere I go interviewers say to me well I've had an experience or my wife has had or my father or something happened to us when we were kids you know so so with no irony whatsoever one of the ghostbusters is legit investigating this story he had a paranormal experience dan akroyd apparently that's insane although is he recalling the set of ghostbusters i was on a film set it was insane it was several years long there
Starting point is 00:37:08 was a press campaign for god's sake and no one seems to be talking about it there were ghouls there was slime there was a goddamn building tall marshmallow man marching through the streets i have a backpack with some of these paranormal beings trapped inside it. I'm in pitches every night saying they want to make a sequel. I think, are you mad? We trapped it. We killed it. Why would you bring it back?
Starting point is 00:37:32 Why would you want to relive this? Tears in his eyes. Everywhere I go on the streets, people ask me, who are you going to call? And I break down. I don't know. Because it's not me anymore i'm not strong enough so who you're gonna call someone else off so listen i've provided you with a lot of evidence i i'm just gonna round off this uh investigation with a quote from dr johnny mack himself listen people said to him uh this is craziness you can't investigate ufo abductions this is not real this is not science and he said to them quote you put on like some
Starting point is 00:38:19 patriotic american music in here like this star sp. Oh, what's that song? Star Spangled Banner. Put in Star Spangled Banner. Although alien encounters are not possible according to the science of the times, they might nevertheless turn out to be real
Starting point is 00:38:37 in some way that we do not yet understand. Goddamn right. Just as the bizarre reports of rocks that we now call meteorites falling from the sky seemed impossible in the 18th century. Praise America.
Starting point is 00:38:51 I know this one is kind of heavy. Like I said, this is too goddamn real to be entertaining, guys. Right. What did you make of this case so far? It is a heavy one, as you said. Heavy, but it moves like a gas with big dark eyes and a telepathic mind we do have firsthand testimonies they are from children right uh even though they were very believable children um i think it's a really interesting story as you said the witnesses
Starting point is 00:39:20 didn't have anything to gain from it. The story was pretty concise. You know, it comes in line with a couple of the other alien encounter and paranormal stories that we've looked at. You know, the description of these creatures, these beings. So, I don't know. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that they did see something. My Achilles heel when it comes to the paranormal is aliens you know ghost goblins ghouls you gotta win me over big time with those but aliens hell i'll say the real right now try me you had me at minute one i'm i'm so on the edge i'm dancing on
Starting point is 00:40:00 the precipice of a yes here well let me push you over the goddamn precipice okay here we go because you you you know you're the first time investigator in this case you're the one that's close enough to the information you're the one that's going to push me in the right direction so kit please do so it is my belief that we have so many witnesses on this case from ages six through to people of middle age seven you can tell me that shit all the way all the way from p2 all the way to freaking p5 i swear to god through to middle-aged people and we've seen these testimonies right there's been stuff i didn't even include in this investigation i think the main thing to hone in on with these witnesses is they don't they do not stand to gain anything from this
Starting point is 00:40:42 i think that that rules out the possibility of lying i think what we have here is either something non-paranormal that people have mistaken for the paranormal of course or something genuinely paranormal it is my belief that what these people are describing defies logic it defies what we know to be normal defies it defies military testing. It defies meteor showers. Exactly. You know, it's one thing to say, oh, it was the meteor showers. It was, you know, maybe a plane in the sky. Maybe it was someone in the nearby field. But all the little, all the little details that even the mind of a child, I think, would struggle to come up with. The fact that time actually felt like it had slowed down.
Starting point is 00:41:26 They weren't actually moving. They kind of floated along, passing through the trees like a gas. A grown man just said this craft passed through a forest like a gas? Yeah, that's insane. I think personally, if we're to start coming down to conclusions, which we have to do on every episode. Yes, dude. This week, from me.
Starting point is 00:41:49 No. It is going to be a yes i'm right there with you brother that's a double yes double yes the trigger we did it you know i was just thinking yeses are so rare on this uh podcast sometimes we should do like um when we when we start the paranormal commune yeah we should have like uh like a special like break glass in case of like in case of a yes thing where it's gone like a bottle of lombardi and we'll both do like a shot or something to to sell to toast it yeah we we gotta have um a yes alarm that goes off like kill bill style like hell yeah double yes i cannot yes i can't believe it i'm actually really excited to read up some more about this case so if you could stick all of this sweet juicy evidence in the patreon notes cannot do okay people are paying for nothing every week the class the notes are classified everything's redacted even youtube videos
Starting point is 00:42:46 hell we might not even put this live right this case is so true i might not even post it uh rory is quite right all the details of this case will be in the patreon show notes which you can access for just um two bucks a month um that's on patreon.com forward slash this paranormal life and if you want to get into other craziness on patreon we have bonus episodes merchandise from five bucks and more a month it's just a a way to help support the cast get something awesome in return get some money to help us build the commune here in London, which we have been looking at. We have been looking, you know, it's been a long road, but I really feel we're getting there. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:30 A lot of the doors are shut on us when we say commune, even more when we say cult. We didn't mean to say cult. That's why we knit that one in the bud, honestly. The C word just slips out sometimes. Unfortunately, I said it to Mayor Sadi khan himself uh and he vowed to deport us from the city yeah it was weird as well because it wasn't even like a slip of the tongue it was just out of like a nervous i think it was the subject of the email actually yeah i think i actually just put it right in there block capitals which we he thought was a typo because he did
Starting point is 00:44:00 invite us into the office yeah i shook his hand and he extended his hand towards you and you yelled cult in his face. We were immediately escorted out of the building. Granted. But it's going to be a great commune. It will be. So you know what? Tell all your friends about it. Get them all invited.
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