This Paranormal Life - #073 Death By Ouija Board - A Spanish Possession

Episode Date: August 7, 2018

As recently as the 90s, ouija boards have been found at the centre of myriad paranormal events. Today we cover one of the most disturbing of all time; a young girl encounters a ouija board, and is never the same again. This story was adapted into the acclaimed film 'Veronica'!Support us on Patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife to get access to weekly bonus episodes!Buy Official TPL Merch! - thisparanormallife.com/storeFollow us on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTubeJoin our Secret Society Facebook CommunityIntro music by www.purple-planet.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Do ghosts obey ghost law? How do airplanes stay up there? All these questions you can find the answer to on this episode of This Paranormal Life! Hey! Oh yeah, you're listening to This Paranormal Life, the podcast where every Tuesday we investigate a different paranormal tale, claim, case, beast, and get to the bottom of whether it is true or whether it is false and as always i am joined by my professional co-host and paranormal investigator mr rory magic powers good morning paranormal nation how's everyone doing out there today is that a heckler get him outanormal Life is not like other podcasts where they tend to dilly-dally around the top of the episode. We are not ones to do that.

We like to jump right into the episode. Again, I don't want to, you know, delay us from getting into the episode too much. I don't want to freak you guys out. Of course. As a paranormal investigator, I'm always on alert. I'm on tens non-stop every day, every second. Code orange.

Is that the highest? I don't know. I'm drinking an ice-co ice cold glass of water here what is on my cup are you seeing this look at this residue on the side of my cup i think that is government-sponsored sort of hormone mind mind control hormones probably what to make me like scared and horny yeah i don't want to free well yeah i was wondering why i'm way more scared and horny than usual there is some legit it's been spiked man it's been spiked i'm gonna start spilling all my secrets oh god i can feel it i can feel them coming out it happens every night again and i know tonight's the night oh lordy it is a full moon oh don't know if that has anything to do with it oh i don't pay taxes really that was bad the glass is like 99 full you've had one sip

i just had to get that off my chest really i'm freaking out that was nothing to do with the water it wasn't actually i just had one ice cube and blurted out i don't pay taxes i really hope that um hmrc kind of government employees are not a large part of our listenership who do you think spiked it bro hmrc they've been on to me since day one you've always wanted a piece of this paranormal pie why am i still drinking this? That's bad water. I had another sip. Oh, God. I'm doubling down. I peed the bed last month. The year is 1990.

It's late on a cold November's night. Police in Madrid are sitting around the office, smoking, shooting the shit. Now, I don't know much about Spanish-speaking police, but I have watched two seasons of Narcos, so I get the picture. Handlebar mustaches, cigarettes, that kind of thing. Right, right. It's normally quiet at this time of night, but it was a little too quiet that night when... The phone went. Finally, Jose Negri thought.

One local officer. The man on the other end was panicked. Something about intruders, people inside his house. He heard noises and seen things. Cool it, sir. We need a name. Okay, Mr. Gutierrez. And an address? Okay, you're just around the corner.

Let's check it out. We'll be there in a few minutes. What is it, Jose? Another officer asked, putting on his vest. Sounds like a home intruder let's go but if those words made the officers feel like they were trained for what was in store they could not have been more wrong as in not even trained for a home intruder these guys were fresh off the the goddamn police academy oh okay yeah what wait all of them there was a whole squad in madrid that year actually yeah it was bad they just took kids before they even sat the goddamn gcse's just

straight through police camp not even a full week's training honestly three or four hours wow that is really really working quickly i don't even know how you cram it all in i think they just kind of in the first couple minutes they were like here's how you load a gun and then if we have time at the end we'll teach you how to use the safety little kid walks in he's just like come at the amas and they're like hola captain sir you are 40 years old how are you less experienced than me i'm a slow learner captain all right so we got a squad of inexperienced policemen heading to what they believe is a home robbery right as they pulled the squad car up on the street they could they could see two this tap water is getting to me.

Right? I'm telling you. I'm going to tell you right now. There is some bad stuff in the water. I'm going to take a picture of it right now. That is not okay. There is crystallization forming on the top of my glass. There's crystallization forming on the top of my eyeballs.

You know whenever you're a kid and you get that like sleep stuff like you get was it conjunctivitis if you're sick and it like glues your eyes shut what did you ever get that no that sounds like an alien disease right never mind never mind i've never had an infected schmlorbin before i love earth just like you my eyes are always open i blink what i me too you know whenever you're you know paddling the underground pools of enceladus and then you just get a weird little twinge in your eye and the mothership calls like now i feel like you're not even trying to not be an alien anymore do you ever get bored in your spaceship? You're really just going for it now. They could see two figures standing at the side of the road. Despite the cold, Mr. and Mrs. Gutierrez

were huddled outside. But as the officers looked up to the house, it looked calm. It looked more like these two were locked out than there had been a break-in. Okay, Mr. and Mrs., what's happening? They explained there had been loud noises in the house, doors slamming, but something didn't sound right. That was fine? When he described what he had seen, it didn't sound like a regular break-in. He mentioned seeing shadows stalking the hallways. They had the feeling of being followed, of being watched. This culminated in

Mrs. Gutierrez screaming awake in the middle of the night as she was grabbed by invisible hands, end quote. Okay. The officers looked at each other and headed for the front door. Then they were led to the master bedroom

where his wife had been grabbed. No sooner did they get there, but they heard a loud bang right outside on the balcony. Weapons at the ready, they swing open the doors, but nothing. Rejoining the others downstairs, they knew they had a bad feeling, but they hadn't seen anyone or anything yet. But as soon as they said this, a cupboard door swung open violently, almost hitting one of the police in the head. Oh my god. They looked inside, but there was no way it could have happened on its own. Everyone in the room stared at it, just shocked.

Mr. Gutierrez, why don't you take a seat and tell us more about what's been happening? In the haunted house? Yes. Take a seat in that. You're going to sit down in that chair house yes take a seat in that you're gonna sit down in that chair and that thing's pulled away from you at the last second you're falling down star asshole exactly don't chat in the house true i look i'm promoted to captain look i'm a responsible man i like dealing with my problems head on. But I also know when the solution to a problem is fire.

We are looking at that solution right now. You just say, what's the captain's name? Negri. Negri. Negri sits down. He's like, listen to me. I'm so sorry I brought you out here. But the solution to the problem is fire.

We can't do that. Our home insurance is not covered by arson. I understand that the problem is fire. We can't do that. Our home insurance is not covered by arson. I understand that. There's no way we can pull this off. The problem, though, with invisible entities is you cannot catch them. They are hard to find. He's spreading petrol at this point. Could you please just wait until we've had the conversation before?

Yeah, it's our hearts that have called you here. I know where your minds are going to end up. Pointing a gun at their heads the husband is like listen captain there is no way i'm gonna let you burn down this house i'm putting my foot down he turns to the wife we have to burn your husband it is the only solution when you're dealing with invisible entities like you like your husband he's visible this three-day police training is not working on whatsoever i really hope he's the kind of guy as well that deals with like every obstacle in his life with fire you know he's like goes to mcdonald's like gets a big mac uh chows down on that puts all the wrappers in a bag just

burns it and throws it on the floor it's just ash like he thinks that's how you recycle or something yeah it's a bold strategy okay i mean you do often think that in the movies don't you yeah it's kind of like paranormal activity the first night they're like oh it was weird we were kind of haunted last night let's set up a cctv camera we'll see how it goes no burn it down move on that's another uh another saying from the commune right that we have burn it down move on that goes for frankly, dealings with other people, relationships. Relationships. Construction work. Past. Failed educational systems.

Poor governments. Candles. Yeah. Listen, society has long been based on the premise of owning up to your mistakes like a man and dealing with them and really facing the music. We think that has led us to a cliff edge. I think from now on, we better just burn it down, move on. That's right, because society is two things, flawed and flammable. Burn it down, move on.

God didn't make these things flammable for a reason. For no reason, I mean. make these things flammable for a reason for no reason i mean you know this police chief as well has like a badge on his chest that's in uh like latin and it's like a pigio monocade ratio it's like what does that stand for burn it down move on it's like how why was anyone teaching that in the olden days? The man is looking at his phone. He's like, did I call the right police? Is this the local police?

It can't be. If you dial like one number the wrong way, you get some f***ing insane local police, local militia. Now that I think about it, since when do police have long hair? Police chief should not have a ponytail i'm sure of it that's right mr gutierrez why don't you take a seat tell us more what's been happening lately they sit down well you see it all began around two years ago our daughter estefania died she was only. The officers looked at each other.

Something wasn't right. They could see where this was going. They blew out their matches. Momentarily. One of the officers stopped doing sick tricks with his Zippo. Yes. Out of respect. Richard stopped blowing fireballs almost immediately.

He still had a little gasoline in his mouth. He had to get rid of that and then he stopped. We think that her death was otherworldly. It wasn't natural. You see, shortly before her death, one of her teachers stumbled across a dark room at her school. She could just make out what was inside. Several girls sitting

in the darkness in a circle surrounding a board. Surprised, they looked up at their teacher, but she realized what was happening. It was a Ouija board. Oh, okay, okay. She jumped across the room, picked up

the board, and ripped it in two in front of them. Too late. Then picked up the glass piece and ripped it in two in front of them. Too late. Then picked up the glass piece in the middle and smashed it on the ground. Too late, you bish. As the girls said. As it hit the ground, a black puff of smoke whipped out of the glass as it shattered into pieces. Is that good? Estefania, sitting the closest, inhaled it in her next breath.

That's bad. Her parents, of course disappointed Could have moved past that day But their daughter wouldn't let them As the days passed She would tell her parents that she could See other people in the house People that no one else could see A shadowy figure would appear

Like a flash and then disappear She would scream out of shock But but no one else would understand. A crash upstairs. It sounds like it's from Estefania's room. They jump up from the table. And again, it was repeating. Someone was really up there. The officers jumped to their feet and drew guns and made their way for the stairs.

Mr. Gutierrez showed the men to the door holding in the noise. They swallowed and turned the handle. But the noise had stopped, and at the center of Estefania's room lay a crucifix. It had belonged on the wall, but it had fallen down somehow. Yeah, fallen. Sure. In the corner, by a table, a portrait of Estefania lay on the ground. The glass and frame were intact, but the picture itself had been burned. No, Actually burned?

As if set on fire, burning away just her face. They were like, oh my god, the picture's been... No, that was actually me. Yeah, while you guys were telling about the Ouija thing, I went upstairs and burned something. I was itching. I was itching, I'll be honest with you. At this point, this is ridiculous. Jose turns to Mr. Gutierrez. Is there anything else we should see?

They walked into a bathroom that was completely disused. It had just been used to store things lately, but no one wanted to go inside. The couple explained, We started hearing voices in the house. Voices coming from this bathroom when we knew no one was in the house. The officers felt something else they'd been told about too. The bathroom was icy cold, inexplicably colder to anywhere else in the house. But they hated that.

They were like, this should be on fire, not cold. They're like, what are you talking talking about it's literally like a degree colder in here wrong everything is wrong about this steve i don't take my work home with me we got a no fire policy back at the uh back at the old house you just know he's gonna be like he's sitting at his table eating his uh dinner with his wife in just utter silence and after three minutes he's just like so i lit a fire today no steve we said no work at the table sorry you just can't help it it's the only thing on his mind 24 7 did you know the tip of the flame is the hottest i just worked that out me and the guys just worked that out you think it would be the core, but it's really the top of it.

Why didn't you become a fireman? There's an entire profession dedicated to the pursuit of fire. To stop fires? Are you mad? After dinner, like, they're just washing up. It's like, hey, pups, do you want to watch a movie? He's like, yeah, I've got a couple of DVDs back here. What do you want to see?

Inferno? The Blaze? Volcano? Volcano 2? Volcano 3? The Blazoning? He's like, all right, fine, yeah, let's watch Volcano 3. Kid opens up the DVD case, just a flame bursts out.

How did you even do that? You know before he went to become a policeman as well he went to like do the fireman's exam and he's like i'm here to become an official fireman you can already tell the way he worded it it was not what he thought it was gonna be they're like right fireman yeah i want to be a fireman right saying it weird but a fireman show me the matches what the match i will be a fireman i will control the fires control i guess yeah yeah i will master them right yep definitely the most dangerous and sexual element weird take fine not not a not not prohibiting you from the job and when required on necessity i will spread them throughout the town absolutely the wrong way around no yeah so we're gonna train you how to use this massive hose uh to so so disgusted as he hears it so i heard you guys were behind those californian

forest fires last year they're like yeah yeah that was us he's like those are awesome you know that we put out fires not we don't like we're firemen we stop fires water men you watery sons of bitches all right all right all right, all right. Let's sit down again, sir. You were saying you were in the middle of an extremely important storyline, I think. The story of Estefania continued. It wasn't just teenage games that led her to playing with the tools of the occult like the Ouija board. One of the girl's boyfriends had died in a motorbike accident that year.

She thought if she could get this thing to work, maybe they could make contact with him. I guess she was scared or didn't know what she was doing, but she wrote these other girls into helping. All we know is that ever since that day, our daughter's health, both mental and physical, started deteriorating fast. There were hallucinations, seizures, complete delirium. She would lash out in anger at her own family. And most worryingly of all, she claimed to be able to see shadow people. But whilst they consulted every professional they could, no one could help. She had a psychotic break, they said, but nothing could be done. All the parents knew was she had inhaled this smoke. Could that hold the answer

They would never find out by the end. She was uncontrollable constant seizures hearing voices all the time This was when her parents started to experience the paranormal for themselves Whoo the noises started phantom voices and signs throughout the house the temperature drops the sense of being stalked they vaped some of that stuff as well when she died there was no cause of death no one knew who or what to blame needless to say jose negri and the rest of the police force didn't discover anything new that night they only had two or three days training at that point and they couldn't solve the mystery of Estefania. That's a hard one to start with.

I feel bad for these guys. You know, like a robbery or something, forced entry, hit and run. Any of that is, you know, run-of-the-mill textbook. Right. A little dead girl who tried to contact her dead boyfriend via tools of the devil and then was strangled presumably by ghost hands that's not a case you want on day one it's true it's kind of like uh you know you you're looking for a job you see there's like a security gig coming up you're like awesome security gig that could be quite flexible i could suit me i can work nights

first day in the job they give you a little earpiece you're feeling kind of cool you got the earpiece got your nice suit you're looking pretty pretty fresh and they're like hey you're just guarding this event uh just anyone doesn't have a ticket don't let them in can do can do no problem awesome jason born swings down from before you even get a word in he cobra strikes you in the nose breaking it oh absolutely blood pissing everywhere snaps one of your arms backwards takes a small knife just like scalps off your fingerprints at this point the door is wide open it doesn't even look like he wants to get into the event you know the end of that shift and your boss like that was a really tough break

we had no idea jason bourne was gonna show up yeah he's like a world renowned criminal you don't want that on day one that's too much that's like that's like being uh paid to be a gardener and it's like you just gotta trim the roses you know water the flowers you're like okay that seems pretty good and then you know day one you're out there putting down some like a pesticide and just your boss comes over and it's like the plant from little shop of horrors has found its way into the premises you have to take it down now it's like that is not what you want he is eating people he is butchering people you have to stop him i'm i'm a florist i'm a gardener. What am I supposed to do? Garden him.

You know plants better than anyone. Listen, the police have tried. The military have tried. We nuked him. He ate it. Now he's got powers. Listen, the analogies just go on and on, really. Yeah, we could do anyone.

Baker. Someone orders a big cake. Day one. You're f***ed. could happen with any job you know imagine you're a baker day one you're working in the kitchen your boss comes over and says so in the corner of the kitchen we have the plant from little shop of horrors he is eating humans any job yeah really any job actually yeah yeah you're working in retail you know you're boxing up all the the the stocks you know getting all the supplies set out there and then in the corner of the shop late at night you just hear feed me seymour and these vines start wrapping

around your neck uh-oh it's the plant from Little Shop of Horrors. I never would have guessed. So we need to cut these guys some slack is what we're saying. Exactly. That's a hard break. These policemen did all they could, lodged their police report, and Mr. and Mrs. Gutierrez were left to deal with the shadows. They did nothing, really, it sounds like.

They were a shoulder to cry on. That was kind of it. Okay. With nothing left to lose, the couple eventually moved out and never experienced any of these paranormal shenanigans ever again. Burn it down and move on. It weirdly was the right advice. Yeah.

So what are your impressions so far? This is a sort of world-famous case. This is kind of curious in that i haven't had to provide that much evidence yet because it's very much public record right this is officially documented by the police in madrid this call out to the gutierrez residents and the death of course of estefania public record and the testimony of her parents they've gone on camera and explained all of this in documentary form. What year is this again?

1990. Okay, so that's pretty close. Yeah, it's all fairly recent. It's a widely covered case. But what do we think about these paranormal shenanigans? I think it's strange that the daughter died and even in the 1990s, there was no autopsy to distinguish what the reason of death was.

It was largely inconclusive. They basically couldn't determine what acute cause it was. They couldn't quite get to the bottom of it. That's a bad way to go out, isn't it? Just no one knows even how you died. Just like the guy from futurama that had like that bone disease oh yeah bonitis bonitis yeah just go out like that i i talked about it recently the other week how i want to die right i got a good in my head this is my dream death wow is i'm

on a spaceship re-entering the atmosphere you know and i'm on a whole crew of people and something has gone wrong on re-entry that requires me to like hold something in place while we re-enter the atmosphere yeah and you know it's like ripping me apart and i i'm burning up in the heat and they're like rory no and i'm like just get up get the f**k away from me just you know melting in my space suit absolute hero you know when i come back i'm just like a pile of ash uh i like the idea of you pitching this to a um you know maybe jeff bezos elon musk one of these space entrepreneurs yeah like we need uh candidates to go to space. Places are limited, but financially available. We're talking kind of $10,000 a seat.

Absolutely. Scholarships are available to fund people to go into space. Please pitch us what you would do with that opportunity. People are going, I want to take this rare bug into space and see if it can reproduce. And you're like, I want to die. I want to be an American hero in space.

How do you want to die? I never even asked. How do I want to die? Yeah. Bear. I don't really care which species. Oh. Just Revenant style,

more or less. Right. I thought you were going to say like bear naked or like bear ass killed by a bear i think the only thing missing from the revenant was that leo wasn't ass naked he was fully clothed yeah one of the big cons of that movie so we're left as always with investigations like this in a difficult position because how can we possibly test the hypothesis that a Ouija board caused these paranormal happenings

and ultimately the untimely death of Estefania? Well, we do not have access to a Ouija board just yet on This Paranormal Life. Nope. However, this did not stop me from downloading a Ouija board app. Nice. Welcome to the 21st century, nerds. So, needless to say say i didn't learn anything from this story and i'm willing to put my life on the line oh my god what is this okay so here's an ad that plays in the ouija board app apparently so it's not for milana yeah yeah it's a great song

it is damn it guy okay okay we'll pass the ad so it straight to give us a review haven't even wow is this even the right app holy shit yeah so it was i think 50p to unlock the paid version i didn't do that so right we got to deal with these ads along the bottom of the ouija board that's that's fine it says spirit at the top and then oracle board uh established 2016 very recent yeah um and then in the middle we've got uh the button start seance okay so if you're willing let's blast off let's do it uh so oh it says if we pay 50p like i said we can unlock turbo seance turbo seance so turbo seance uh messages are spelled out much faster i don't know i guess we'll see how slow these ghosts are where does this go to the devil like who who's accepting these are these payments

uh okay so i'm gonna hit no thanks baroque as hell uh okay so we've got i mean i'll just i'll let you hold it there all right i'm holding it now it's a pretty cool looking ouija board so it says place finger on it to start right yeah i'll let you go right ahead all right i'm just gonna place on the on the fake glass ask a question we're supposed to ask a question so it's got a microphone so you can you can ask it things you can ask the spirit things what should we say uh well maybe we should see if estefani is in the room do you want to ask is this estefani there is estefani there d o this is weird you do you b e B, E,

L, I, believe. It sounds like it's going to be believe. Do you believe? Is what it's asking me. Well, do you? In what?

Like a thing, in a thing called love? No. Do you believe in this goddamn ghost that just spelled out a message for you, asshole? I just picked up goddamn as the next question we want to ask. How did you die? How did you... How did you die? L.

E. It's not fire. Let. S. Oh, H. Let's. A. V.

E. Let's have. F. U. N. Fun. I'm starting to question how reliable this Ouija board is. What's happening?

I touched the thing by accident. I wasn't supposed to touch it. F***ing oh my god. That scared the shit out of me. What's happening? I don't like this. It was just moving really weird across the board okay nothing weird no no nothing weird okay let's ask one last question before it eats my fingers yeah please how will ghost master oh it went to one and then literally just shut off wow all right so that was creepy uh the good thing is there is no so it just laughed uh a little girl's laugh estefania uh the good thing is that this is a phone and not a glass piece from a Ouija board.

So, you know, there's no glass involved. So even if I were to... Oh my God. There's some smoke. Bro. Don't inhale it. He did it. He inhaled the smoke.

I really needed to breathe. You like went for it. You went across the room and vaped it in i saw that i blew rings trying to do that ship thing from lord of the rings so we have talked about uh the possibility of doing a live show in the future where we do something interactive like that like a ouija board i think that would be really fun i think you know this app has definitely given me the interest in maybe sourcing an actual ouija board yeah that would be interesting we also talked about if we did a live show because we want it to be you know break boundaries do some

crazy stuff of course the first thing that happens is you know a little bit of applause everyone welcomes us to the stage of course a little bit of applause i think a lot of applause thank you i run out in full trench coat and just kick a mirror and smash it to pieces that's how we start the show with seven years bad luck right but then it's okay because at the end of the night burn it down move on that's what we do guys we check out of your seat you've all got a match you can light that on the side of your chair and just drop it where you're sitting, folks. Burn it down. Move on. Well, needless to say, I think using that app, I don't know if we're any closer to solving the mystery of Estefania.

As always in this podcast, we do have to come to a conclusion as to whether this particular paranormal case is truly paranormal or falsely paranormal. It's true. What? No, it's true. I'm saying true i'm saying what you yeah you know you never mind what are your thoughts this time around my thoughts it's interesting it's interesting because it happened so recently you know this could have easily been something from like the early 1900s you know It's like a tale of legend where little Susan died after she used the Ouija board. But this is very recent, which I think makes it a bit worrying.

I'm always really confused as to why someone would want to contact their dead relative via something you know is bad. Right. Like, what are you going to get out of that at best? It's like, oh my God, the board's working chris says hi love you love you and that only that only cost us our souls like fantastic that's absolutely worth and also it turns out it was the devil said that wasn't

even chris it was well i thought it was weird because like chris never asked me about my soul before um and he was banging on about it for like three hours this time when we used it chris never spoke in old english once the entire time i knew him but here we are talked a lot about his hooves um i know we weren't that close when he was alive but i really don't think he had hooves i'm like 90 sure he didn't have hooves um yeah i always find that strange like you mess with something like that i feel like you have to take responsibility for whatever comes next it's like the monkey paw you know you mess with something mystical and uh and bad you're gonna get what you want but not really what you want listen the laws of nature

are there for a good reason if your high school crush dies in a flaming motorcycle accident, that's because that was his time. It was his destiny. And he went out like a boss. A flaming motorcycle accident? If you're gonna die, at least die in a leather jacket. That's the way I wanna go. Reentering the Earth's atmosphere

in a leather jacket. For some reason, wearing a leather jacket. You think you're a hero and they're like, you know that leather jacket is the reason the plane is going down in zero gravity one of the zips fell off and smashed through a tiny tiny air hole we insisted that you wear a suit like the rest of us all of your hair gel got underneath the buttons you said if i'm gonna die i'm gonna die like a boss and we were like you shouldn't be planning on dying at all This is a worrying thing for you to mention on the way up to the mission Imagine that just like all right beginning engines starting countdown. You're ready for departure in three

Two how do you guys want to die? He's weird he's weird I start unzipping and I've got the leather jacket on underneath. I was hot as shit. What sounds do you not want to hear at two in the countdown before going into space? Everyone's like, goodbye Earth! And someone's like, yeah, goodbye Earth! Forever. Wait, what was that, Chris? Oh, I just, I said it with you guys. Bye Earth! There is no doubt that the

logic was definitely off on those girls behalf they were school girls i'll cut them some slack uh but they done messed up and they paid the ultimate price yeah that was a weird conclusion to come to just they deserved it not whether it's real or not we've had a streak of no's in this cast and uh i think today's the day that i buck this trend no i believe that this case is so recent in history this case has been verified not only by just the parents of this unfortunately dead little girl, but also several policemen in Madrid that wrote this up and filed a police report saying that they experienced these paranormal happenings when they went to investigate the homes of the Gutierrez family. I believe that this was a paranormal event, and for that reason, I am giving it a yes today.

Ooh, it has been a long time since we've had a yes on this podcast. Fortunately, I am a no a yes today. Ooh, it has been a long time since we've had a yes on this podcast. Fortunately, I am a no. Wow. Yeah. Look, I appreciate the story. I appreciate the research. Unfortunately, I need a bit more juice. I need a bit more meat in the oven for me to firmly say this is paranormal.

People die all the time for mysterious circumstances. It's true. There are bumps in the night all the time. I live in a goddamn ghost house. This thing comes alive three in the morning, four in the morning. It's insane. I see things. I'm strangled.

But we will get onto that in another episode. They never mentioned this before, so weird. Also, policemen, we don't want to hold it against them, but they're very new to the force. Maybe they got spooked on their first big case. It's difficult to say, but until I have some more concrete evidence, we're talking some voice recordings, some videos of the house,

any pictures of the Ouija board that the girls use, things like this, then I would be convinced a little bit more towards the yes side. But unfortunately, it's going to be a no. More than fair. Then I would be convinced a little bit more towards the yes side. But unfortunately, it's going to be a no. More than fair. It could be said that I didn't do a good enough job of convincing you today. Definitely there's the naysayers out there in the world.

People have hypothesized, you know, simple carbon monoxide poisoning causing delirium and death. Right. All sorts of possible explanations. and death right um all sorts of possible explanations what i am excited to do is the spanish director behind the famous horror movie um wreck you know the wreck movies wreck one and two yeah he made a movie wreck three the blazing wreck three the reckoning he made a movie about this particular case called veronica and you can watch it on Netflix. Apparently, it's awesome. It's got a really high Rotten Tomatoes rating.

I didn't get the time to watch it before recording this, but I am going to watch it at some point. Damn, I'll check that out. So if anyone in the nation has seen it or has their own thoughts on this case, please let us know. Pick a side. Pick a side. Hashtag team powers. Team right. A.K.A. team team kit or hashtag team narc loser you can email

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pure mental illness i think was in there that's pretty pressing um there's a lot of actually shield you from mimic worlds whenever you do travel time we would love to be able to purchase that through patreon and um and demo it right here in the podcast absolutely with your support yes and every week we take the time to shout out just some of those who have been supporting us on patreon right here on the podcast here we are let's go thank you to will king will king he's a king among men a cruel fearless lord but not cruel enough to ignore the paranormal peasants begging outside his castle. Let me in, sir. Give me a coin.

And he did. So thank you. Thank you too. Ariel Holmer. Holmer? Bathroom mirror? In just about any mirror, Ariel is looking great. That's right. And you know where we got the biggest and best mirrors of all? In the paranormal cult commune. Everyone.

Right. And you can look forward to, you know, taking selfies, doing ballet. I don't know the other things people do in mirrors. Yeah. Whenever everyone comes to join us in the as yet undisclosed location that we will be revealing soon. We learned the hard way that mirrors don't burn. Right. So anytime we burn down the commune and start a new one,

it's just a field full of mirrors and ash. It is the most suspicious looking thing in the world. So thank you, Ariel, for donating on Patreon. Thank you. Thank you also to Full Heart. Good old Full Heart. I remember him full of spirit, brave, noble. He had the courage to defect with me from the front line.

That's right. When I didn't think anyone else was gonna join me, he stood up and went, I'm as scared as you brother. And me and Full Heart left for the hills. So thank you. Good to see you again. Thank you too. Sammy Clark. Thank you Sammy. all clark no bite

terrible that's your spirit animal did you just insult him as well slightly slightly but as we've discussed the podcast dogs that bite get put down you're a survivor good for you so thank you sammy thank you also to barry norton the norton of norton's antivirus jesus christ we have a goddamn millionaire cyber security expert in our midst insane is that why this podcast is virus free from day one russia has been trying to hack this since the first episode and i know because they email me regularly going, how are you doing this? How are you protected from our viruses?

Norton, can I ask you what was in my water? Because I drank it. I drank almost the whole thing. I got really thirsty halfway through. I might just drink some more. I think the truth serum effects have been relatively limited so far. I think it's worth the have been relatively limited so far.

I think it's worth the hydration. Oh, God. That's delicious. Did I tell you I don't pay taxes? It seems to be cool. You're just repeating the same truth. So thank you, Barry, for providing us with, frankly, years of protection at this point. And we hope that you keep that up um because the commune is going to

be under attack it's a cult both sorry i think the water's making me say weird stuff i wish i had taken the water away yeah there's no way that's adding up in the cut holy that wasn't be can you cut that because the truth serum is really making me loopy. Shit it all. I'm going to write this down. It's a cult. I have to cut this out. Just writing that. Reminder to self-cut out. No one can know that. No, absolutely not. Thank you to Aslan Silva.

Aslan the Lion from Narnia is one of our Patreon backers? This is insane. Some of these patrons I thought were fictional. This is incredible. One question, sir. Where's the door? I've searched so many wardrobes in my lifetime and it has eluded me. We are yet to cover

Narnia on the podcast, but God knows it's coming. That actually will be a great one. Narnia? Yeah. Let's go to the conclusion. Is it real? Tried to find the door, but we did not find it. Thank you so much for supporting the podcast

in whatever mad Narnia currency there is. Is it just what, like, dreams, I assume? I suppose. Or, like, love? Some mad fictional Disney currency? And thank you also for protecting those children throughout the novels. Yeah, that was a really solid thing. Because that's not your responsibility.

You're a lion. Absolutely not. All you have to just do is poop and eat. Really. In that order. The dream. So thank you, Aslan. Thank you too.

David Emerson. Ooh. Lock up your Emerson's. Lock up your Emerson's. Daughters. David is in the c-c-c-cult. You have to stop saying it. I'm serious. I can't stop

drinking the water. It's so good. I'm so glad. I feel so liberated. I don't even think I know how to tie my shoes anymore. It's been so long. I told people I was doing the Atkins diet, but I don't know what that means. Let's wrap this up before

any more truths come out. Thank you lastly, but not leastly, to Andy Andrade. Andrade. Andy Anna Jones, the man himself. Legend. Artifact thief. Nazi killer. Good to have

you on board, sir. Welcome to the party. Glad you could gank some of those sweet Aztec coins and flick them into the bucket of the paranormal peasants. Absolute honor to have any one of your scatcher on board. Can't thank you enough, Andiana Jones. That just about does it for the shoutouts this week. If you haven't heard your own shoutout and you are a patron supporter that's because your shout out is coming we are getting to you so

thanks for being patient that just about does it for this episode uh i want to do i know i said we don't run ads but i'm going to do a last plug i have a band it turns out and we have a new single out so i'm going to play us out with that song instead of whatever we usually play out with. You can check that out. We're called ABQ. This song is called Take So Long. Thanks for listening. We will see you next Tuesday for a brand new paranormal tale.

Remember, everyone, to burn it down and move on. Lost among the snow When the wheels begin to break I know I'm not in control Though I don't feel the cold air This ain't over One by one, they said we'll never win Oh oh oh oh oh Take my hand and we'll begin again Oh oh oh oh oh

One by one, they said we'll never win Oh oh oh oh oh Fallen down, we know we're living Close, it's closer than you know A light comes through the years And still, we won't stop until we set the light ablaze

I know I'm not in control I don't feel the cold air this ain't over One by one, they said we'll never win Take my hand and we'll begin again

One by one, they said we'll never win Fallen time We know we're living It takes a lot It takes a lot It takes a lot It takes a lot It takes a lot It takes a lot

It takes a lot It takes a lot It takes a lot It takes a lot It takes a lot. It takes so long It takes so long It takes so long It takes so long It takes so long It takes so long

When the eagles fly On the mountain high Ready? Lovely Oh yeah Oh, yeah.