This Paranormal Life - #084 The Cash-Landrum UFO Incident - Part 2

Episode Date: October 23, 2018

On this weeks episode we finally come to a conclusion in the Cash-Landrum UFO investigation. Was it a UFO? A secret nuclear powered government weapon? Let's #INVESTIGATESupport us on Patreon.com/ThisP...aranormalLife to get access to weekly bonus episodes!Buy Official TPL Merch! - thisparanormallife.com/storeFollow us on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTubeJoin our Secret Society Facebook CommunityIntro music by www.purple-planet.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Vicky ran out to see what the commotion was, and there was Betty, standing in the kitchen, holding clumps of her own hair. Oh no. Not only was there no sandwich, we do not have a fridge that you can even keep a sandwich in, so what you are saying is categorically untrue. There is a planet out there where every day it rains glass sideways. You are exposing children to these days to magic are you crazy mad welcome back to part two of the cash landrum ufo incident if you haven't listened to part one yet definitely go back and listen to part one uh because a lot of this and this stuff we're going to be saying uh isn't going to make any sense um usually we do introductions let's speed through that i'm
Starting point is 00:00:44 roy powers this is uh kit greer that's right paranormal investigators oh yeah we're investigating the paranormal that's right now for those who are here and ready to tackle part two let's do a quick recap okay one night betty vicky and seven-year-old colby were driving home when they spotted a giant glowing diamond in the sky. That's right. This diamond emanated incredible heat. After standing outside the car, staring at it, the craft was chased away by a horde of military Chinook helicopters. They thought it was Jesus initially, later decided that wasn't the case.
Starting point is 00:01:23 When the radiation kicked in, they thought it probably wasn't him. He didn't talk a lot about that in the Bible. When the gang got home, they all fell violently ill, vomiting, swelling, losing hair, and Betty had to be even rushed to the hospital. Doctors said they had severe radiation poisoning, but when Betty and Vicky tried to explain to police and military what had happened, no one would believe them. The military even denied having any Chinook helicopter stationed nearby, despite the fact that in the following months, multiple witnesses no one would believe them. The military even denied having any tunic helicopters stationed nearby despite the fact that in the following months multiple witnesses came forward claiming they had also seen the same thing. That's what we call a corroboration of evidence in the biz. I don't know if that's true but it sounds right. We call a grade a f**k up. someone misspoke and the truth shined through that is the story as it goes so far that's
Starting point is 00:02:08 what the military call a clusterfuck and what paranormal investigators call a gold mine or was it your watch actually i just got this thing i don't know how to mute the bish really jesus all right hold on i mean it's a casio so i don't even know how it's making that much noise it's also a calculator i'll have you know so don't diminish it because it's actually with the technology in this yeah we could go to the moon or something like that people like to say that yeah i don't think with that specifically though we will we i could calculate how many moons there are okay go zero times one so zero we look up in the night sky no moon i've managed to put it on theater mode i think that does
Starting point is 00:02:54 something so what okay just ignore it all right put it on theater mode it starts from beginning to end reciting the script and songs of cats the musical all right let's let's push on with this story okay please after the incident had happened we heard that vicky called the national ufo reporting sector in seattle this was the telephone call that we heard in the last episode now these are the kind of folks who have your back they contacted the aerial phenomena research association these these organizations have named so long yeah you know you can trust them they sent out a bunch of investigators to the town to take a look at the case now these investigators did everything they talked to betty vicky colby
Starting point is 00:03:38 also all the other witnesses who claimed they had seen something that night. And they came to the conclusion that everyone was telling the truth. No one had any re... I'm sorry, I can see a smile on your face. No, no, no. It's just, I'm only smiling because, look, it's hard to get into paranormal Harvard. You know, I know that, you know that. It took a lot.
Starting point is 00:03:59 It took a lot of blood, sweat, tears, stolen money, stolen cars. Stolen watches. We got in there. And the education standard is very, very very very high unfortunately the same cannot be said for other paranormal colleges so you know sometimes these guys now my sorry yeah it's kind of distracting my watch is blasting music right now i didn't i don't know how it's possible because that thing is rusted up it is obviously from the 80s this is where is the love
Starting point is 00:04:25 by black ips and this this watch really predates that whole music generation yeah that's really confusing uh what do you think smash it i think okay let's just like all right well it's fine now okay all right um let's hope you were saying paranormal harvard yeah but some of these paranormal investigators didn't get the same stellar education that we did. You know, listen, some of these guys, I don't want to doubt their motives, but maybe they're going into these cases. You know, they're looking for that case that's going to put their name up in lights. They're looking for that case that's going to be the cash card.
Starting point is 00:04:58 They're looking for that case. So, you know, they're going in there with that bias. So, you know, I'm just saying maybe that's why they thought everyone was telling the truth it's true you know you're an investigator of the paranormal you've been brought on this big new hot case so you know what are you gonna do are you gonna show up there or maybe do you twist it is that my goddamn watch holy shit that is the mexican hat dance why would a watch need to play that? No, it's just doing like an air raid siren.
Starting point is 00:05:27 Should we be worried? I have no idea. Again, I don't know how old this thing is. All right. It's going under the mattress. Well, that'll do it. Okay. It actually did it.
Starting point is 00:05:38 It did. Yeah, it's gone. Interesting. So I get what you mean. We have to be careful when it comes to the word of paranormal investigators right sometimes sometimes not us though trust us now as time passed betty's health slowly recovered but there were a lot of other effects from the encounter that never did betty and vicky were mocked around town i'm sorry pride i'm sorry more than anything their pride was damaged yes betty's skin
Starting point is 00:06:08 returned her hair regrew but the embarrassment of thinking jesus came back to earth would haunt little colby forever you i mean is that a laughing matter to you sir let me recite a little nursery rhyme for you all right bed is on fire i'll tell you that right now sticks and stones may hurt my bones but words f***ing scar me yes you said that yes the radiation has faded yes the scars are gone but words words hurt forever yeah yes the radiation has faded but people are calling them crazy they're mocked around town yeah colby's injuries meant he had to temporarily drop out of school oh yeah i'm sure and doctors diagnosed him with ptsd wow a pretty terrible stress day the family was suffering sorry that's not what the family were suffering but at the same time there was nothing they could do months later in april 1981 colby was outside in the fresh springtime air when all of a sudden he heard a rumbling noise
Starting point is 00:07:07 in the distance. At this point he is crapping his pants. He is sweating. He is looking around. The last time he heard a rumbling. It wasn't Jesus. It wasn't good. It was not Jesus. He stood there looking around for the source of the sound and that's when when he noticed, in the sky, a speck on the horizon, getting closer and closer. No. Colby began to panic and ran inside to get Vicky. Brrrah! Vicky! By the time they got back outside,
Starting point is 00:07:36 the speck was close enough to make out in clear view. It was a CH-47 Chinook helicopter! Whoa! The exact same helicopters that had been seen that night with the nuclear diamond listen i've got a question to ask the listeners at home all right when was the last time you saw a helicopter a chinook helicopter when the rarest goddamn pokemon of the helicopter breeds right i don't know if it's pokemon but yeah exactly i think i've seen more blackhawk helicopters in my life than i have chinook i don't think i've ever seen a chinook helicopter in my life especially this is this is especially important because the government denied they had any chinook helicopters stationed nearby that's right so what is one doing flying over becky and Vicky and Colby's houses?
Starting point is 00:08:26 Someone's telling lies. And you said this thing has got double propellers, one each side. This isn't some hobbyist learning to fly a helicopter. No, you know this thing. This is like some Zero Dark Thirty deployment in Chirac sort of shit. You know, this is a kind of movie scene, Mission Impossible, back of the helicopter, hangar door hanging open,
Starting point is 00:08:52 fist fight in the back. You know, you're punching the villain's face on the edge of the helicopter at 10,000 feet. None of this was happening, but I appreciate, I know what's going on in your head.
Starting point is 00:09:00 I just want to set the scene. Okay. Well, obviously, Vicky and colby are excited they run to the car and take off in the direction of the helicopter waiting to see where it lands vicky said because colby was so upset even at just the sight of the helicopter that she wanted to reach it on the ground to show him there was nothing to be afraid of that's a dangerous game to be playing well i guess I guess if... Fallen around.
Starting point is 00:09:25 If the kids... Classified. Because you know that that helicopter... Listen, they said it doesn't exist. You're getting very excited. That means it ain't supposed to exist. Yeah. So, if it... I mean, look.
Starting point is 00:09:39 I know where the story goes. So, if I'm trying to steer you off the path that you're on. There could be greys. MIBs at the very least. I wouldn't hype up. Maybe ghouls. Hell, maybe the second coming of Christ himself. Again, I know what's happening.
Starting point is 00:09:57 So don't get the audience's excitement up too much or else my story is going to be disappointing. It's going to be a piece of shit. It's time to get riled up, everyone. We are reaching the grand climax of this week's episode. There's so much more to go. Hold on to your ass cheeks, ladies and gentlemen. It's about to get crazy. All right. You're clearly not going to give up, so I'm just going to have to power on. To their surprise, when they reached the area where their chinook helicopter had landed there was a small crowd it turns out the helicopter was part of some sort of air show
Starting point is 00:10:30 where people could watch the planes and the helicopters and the kids had the opportunity to talk to the pilots i uh yeah i so i see now i got a little over excited it was it really had not this is such a minor part of the story. Any grace? No, there were no grace. Tom Cruise? At one point you mentioned ghouls. I don't know why you thought they would be in the helicopter, but there weren't any of those.
Starting point is 00:10:53 It was probably nighttime though. There could have been ghouls. It was day. It was bright day. I actually said springtime air at the start of the sentence. So just kind of. Mamo said I had an overactive imagination. And look where I got me. All right, this is getting sad so let's just keep keep going with the uh the old podcast here vicky and colby headed over to the
Starting point is 00:11:12 chinook helicopter there was already a small crowd so they stood at the back waiting for the pilot to finish talking to the small crowd of children all right kids, this here is a Chinook CH helicopter. It's got two rotary blades instead of your regular one rotary blade. How many of you kids would ever dream of becoming a pilot when you grow up? Me, me, me! I bet you would. While the pilot is talking to the kids, Vicky says, See Colby, it's just a helicopter flown by a regular man.
Starting point is 00:11:44 Ain't nothing to be afraid of. Let me see. How many of you kids have divorced parents? All of us. All right, that's a good ratio. Where's dad? Is he out of the picture or is he still around? The pilot is still talking to these kids about flying helicopters. He's trying to impress them. When all of a sudden, one of the kids asks him about visiting the town. The pilot replied, Well, I've actually been here before.
Starting point is 00:12:08 A while back, we were in Huffman checking out a UFO. Vicky is speechless. This man, even though it was kind of jokingly said, claimed he had been investigating a UFO in a Chinook helicopter around the exact same time Betty and Vicky had seen the diamond. How many Chinook pilots are there, after all? That's what I want to know. More than 23? Can't be many more.
Starting point is 00:12:36 Vicky waited nervously for the crowd to dispense. When the kids were gone, she approached the pilot. Hello, ma'am. What can I do for you? He said. I'm so glad you're here. I was there that night. Uh, what night? I saw it. The UFO. It burned me. Quickly, the mood of the pilot
Starting point is 00:12:56 turned sour. He refused to talk to her or Colby any further and hustled them out of the aircraft. So, her plan of trying to chill colby out and make him used to being around helicopters completely backfired well it didn't help that she brought this kid who was clearly suffering to the pilot was like he's just a regular man nothing to be afraid of and the pilot's like let me tell you about the time a ufo melted a woman's face he's like i damn near lost all my fingers holds up
Starting point is 00:13:28 yeah definitely uh she you know brought him there with the best intentions yes unfortunately it turns out this is just another step in the story that never ends oh my god it's like some sort of never-ending story. But instead of that big, fluffy piece of shit, what was his name? Kirby? No. Falcor?
Starting point is 00:13:49 Falcor! Instead of Falcor, you got a Chinook helicopter chasing down a nuclear diamond. Holy shit. Yeah. I mean, what were the chances of her tracking down this man
Starting point is 00:14:00 and then him just letting slip? He should not be working in any sort of governmental secret service capacity which he obviously is i think it's one of those things he obviously was talking to a group of kids he was lured into a false sense of security he thought he could just say innocent eyes but they had little notepads i i saw them they had little like honestly there's little audio recorders oh yeah kids are you think those kids aren't russian and chinese spies they're all just doing that thing where they're on their knees where
Starting point is 00:14:30 their knees are on their shoes all right so as you can uh tell this is a chinook helicopter which means instead of one blade there are actually two blades keeping the vehicle afloat and then just one kid from the crowd tell us more about the American nuclear protocols. All right. Well, we'll get on to that eventually. Who wants to touch the steering wheel? None of us want to touch the wheel. What year did you boys say you were in?
Starting point is 00:14:56 I have to go. Mother Russia's mother is calling. Crawls away. The shoes are gone. His legs are poking out the back. Massive beard as well. So they continue to question the military. They continue to talk to people in the town but everyone is still ignoring their story betty and vicky felt helpless but as the old american saying goes if you can't beat them
Starting point is 00:15:17 sue them in august of 1981 betty cash and vicky Landrum hired an attorney named Peter Gersten to seek financial compensation for their injuries. You know Peter Gersten. He's the hottest in the biz. He specializes in UFO cases. He's nuclear hot. You get radiation just by standing next to Peter. standing next to peter the case wound its way through the u.s courts for several years with cash and landrum trying to sue the u.s government for 20 million u.s dollars holy shnikes i guess aim for the sky right and then if it gets whittled down to like a free subway it's like well i guess i thought something what is it they say shoot for the moon land amongst the chinook helicopters that's what the old saying so when it came to the case they had evidence that they had been affected by some radioactive machine that night yeah they had other witness testimonies claiming they had seen chinook helicopters that night and other witnesses claiming they heard the helicopter
Starting point is 00:16:21 pilot mention a ufo to kids. That is insane. Is this the first time we've ever had evidence from a paranormal case actually brought to a court of law? I think it is. This is one of the, if not maybe the only, major court case brought against the US government in regards to a paranormal encounter. Wow. But there was one problem.
Starting point is 00:16:46 And this problem, unfortunately, would mean the end of this story. Even if all of this was true, the radiation, the vehicles, all the witnesses, the plaintiffs Cash and Landrum had claimed that there were no markings on the Chinook helicopters, which means there was no way to legally prove that they were associated with the US government. Really? Yeah. On August 21st, 1986, a US District Court judge dismissed their case.
Starting point is 00:17:17 It was over. This is some bullshit! Justice was not served that day. We didn't believe that whenever they send those Chinook helicopters out on a UFO chase, that they're going to just have a big old dumb American flag just plaster on there. Splapped on it. No, they're going to pull over the drapes, pull the literal wool over the flags. Hey, you're preaching to the converted here, brother.
Starting point is 00:17:39 This is some shit. I'm on your side with this one. But unfortunately, you know, it's the innocent until proven guilty. Even if all this stuff did happen, as long as there is no way to directly prove that the U.S. military are responsible, there's no way to get compensation out of them. The U.S. military denied ever having seen a Diamond Craft. They denied still having Chinook helicopters stationed at air bases around
Starting point is 00:18:05 that time lots of denial i feel like taking the government to court is an inherently flawed process i feel like they're biased that way is that case really gonna end and then no sooner does the judge smacked on the gavel, guilty? Does someone just come along and just put handcuffs on him and take him away? How do you arrest the law? That's what I want to know. I don't think it happens. That should be a takeaway from this question.
Starting point is 00:18:34 Who watches the watchmen? That's why in the commune, there will not be any watchmen to have to be watched. No. That's right. There will be no sentries, no lookouts, no police of any kind but there's also no crime because we're all crucially we're all chill af so moving on
Starting point is 00:18:51 cash died at the age of 71 on december 29th 1998 so years later wow landrum died september 12th 2017 oh my god no god that's so wrong 2007 okay that is so that's way too recent yeah 2007 yeah and colby still to this day continues to tell people about what happened that night seeking revenge like some sort of paranormal batman that's really unbelievable so we do have someone alive today who was witnessed there at the original close encounter of the first kind so now that the story has reached a full stop it's time to look back at this case when i look back at it i only see two explanations kit the first that this diamond craft was otherworldly. Right. And the government had to lie about its existence to protect the public. This explanation is so possible that it should scare you.
Starting point is 00:19:53 It should come as no surprise to people that the US government and UFOs have a pretty long and intimate relationship. Right. In 1952, a little thing called Project Blue Book. Ever heard of it? No. Oh, well, it was the name given to a huge study launched by the U.S. Air Force to investigate UFO sightings.
Starting point is 00:20:17 Okay. The scientific advisor to the project was a man named Dr. Alan Hynek. Just listen to this short clip. In 1966, congressional hearings were held with Secretary of Defense Harold Brown and scientific advisor of Project Blue Book, Dr. J. Alan Hynek. None of the evidence that I have examined would indicate any proof at all that we are being visited by extraterrestrials. Dr. J. Allen Hynek is one of the most important figures in this matter. As a senior government representative, he faithfully continued to dismiss
Starting point is 00:20:51 all UFO sightings as swamp gas, mass hallucinations, temperature inversions, and conventional aircraft until Blue Book was terminated in 1969. However, four years later, he founded the Center for UFO Studies, which is still active today. In 1985, shortly before his death, he revealed that Project Blue Book had indeed misled the public. I was there at Blue Book, and I know the job they had. They were told not to excite the public, don't rock the boat. And I saw it in my own eyes happen that whenever a case happened that they could explain, which is quite a few, they made point of that and let that out to the media. Things that, the cases that were very difficult to explain, they would jump handsprings to keep the media away from them.
Starting point is 00:21:47 For they had a job to do, whether rightfully or wrongly, to keep the public from getting excited. Thank you. Thank you. I mean, you can say that this is not high quality paranormal investigating. I'm getting clips from an old ass man. I've got testimonies. This is some good stuff. Great A. You can pat yourself on the back if you like, but that's done. Wow.
Starting point is 00:22:16 That's pretty fascinating. That is a very plausible version of events. What he's saying is he isn't coming out as one of these you know tenor penny x nasa guys and just saying um yeah i know i know i know i know i uh was a regular suit and tie guy while i was at nasa but now that i'm free i can say categorically without exception that i ate lunch with greys every wednesday they were chill we hung out they come to earth all the time this guy is just saying something very plausible which is that listen yes there are organizations in place for the detection of ufos the study of ufos but what is their mission what is their
Starting point is 00:23:06 guiding principle the guiding principle is is gonna be to not disclose dangerous unusual information exactly it's gonna be to um temper expectations and this means playing down evidence even when some of the explanations that they're giving are just not plausible they're talking about swamp gas exactly now think about this think about what happened to betty and vicky imagine the organization that was looking after this diamond was a had a very similar approach to the situation as project blue book so when the public are exposed to it they're gonna deny it they're gonna bury the story they're not gonna disclose any information this is something that happened in the past which means it can be happening now well said
Starting point is 00:23:58 perfect sentence it can be happening now so that's explanation number one right we do also have explanation number two that this object was not otherworldly that this is a piece of experimental government equipment all right listen people right now as we speak the u.s government has a gun that will turn you to glass they have a bomb that will turn air into bees whatever weapon that you think does not exist yet yeah they have five of them stationed in countries across the world let's think about this craft this diamond you brought it up in the first episode when we hear stories about ufos everyone says like there was no noise it just hovered there and then it like took off in an instance yeah the description of this diamond is very much based within the confines of our reality it's got some sort of
Starting point is 00:24:57 combustion engine it's shooting flames down to keep afloat It truly shined bright like a diamond with flames. I know what you're saying this is like because we're so used to the idea of alien technology being unfathomable beyond all expectations beyond imagination itself that this seems by comparison like a steampunk UFO that it runs on Victorian sort of fuels. Absolutely, yeah. Now, when we look at the diamond, it had a fiery engine, a byproduct of which was a bomb's worth of radiation.
Starting point is 00:25:34 So naturally, what I started doing was looking at the US government's history experimenting with nuclear engines. Because, you know, around time of the the wars and the nuclear bomb testing yep there was this whole idea that essentially nuclear power was the future it was in like 20 years going to be powering the globe everyone had this idea about nuclear energy that it was this clean pure energy they couldn't have been further from the truth yes and it wasn't long into this investigation that i came across something called project pluto which was a government program to develop nuclear powered engines now granted this was in 1964
Starting point is 00:26:20 and the cash landrum case was in 1980, so 16 years later. But does that mean the two aren't connected? It's totally possible. Could it be that in those 16 years, Kit, there was enough time to create a nuclear engine fit for a diamond-shaped craft? It's entirely possible. Listen, the 60s were a busy time. u.s had a lot on his plate you know
Starting point is 00:26:47 going to war all of that didn't have time to deploy nuclear arsenals hell no in wartime so uh it's entirely possible that it took them a little while getting around to this and they eventually created a nuclear engine do we know what did anything officially for the record come out of project pluto uh yeah somewhat there were two test launches where they experimented with i think sort of like ballistic missiles but the uh propulsion for those would be done through a nuclear engine so there were two tests done before the project was quote-unquote shut down for being quote-unquote too radioactive and for unsafe working conditions and everyone quote-unquote died slowly as far as i know
Starting point is 00:27:40 the launch of those missiles went fine they went well like it worked as far as missile launches go yeah and as far as there's anything i know about the u.s government they don't shut down working programs could you imagine if uh king arthur was at his weapons store one day ah men that i keep in the basement uh what new weapons have you been dreaming up for me recently oh good to see you sire blessings upon you get on with it well i may i kiss your rings oh god right to the kisser oh why did I invent the whip? I've been working on new types of weapons to advance your iron reign. Oh, fantastic. I know that the bow and arrow has been a pop crowd favorite among your people.
Starting point is 00:28:37 I do love the bow shooting poor people all day long. And of course we have the beloved sword and shield. Hold out your arm, will you, Arnold? Please, not now, sir. But we're working on a new type of weaponry. Experimental weaponry.
Starting point is 00:28:54 New experimental. I've invented this new type of weaponry. A brand new weapon called the assault rifle. Not sure, to be honest. Which... Right, well well i haven't even told you what it does yet the name's not great though is it well it's it's all right sir it assaults people and it's a rifle what does it do then go on well you put bullets in it what's a bullet though all right you put arrows in the barrel i understand now yeah yeah good and you
Starting point is 00:29:25 pull the string sir you pull the string got it and it fires the arrows well how's that better than a bow and arrow though it fires them quicker it can go through armor if i'm going hunting why do i need anything more than a bow and arrow if i need more bows and arrows i'll get another guy with a bow and arrow i've got a f***ing army of bows and arrows what do i need you could have an army of people with machine guns to kill thousands of you to be honest take that assault rifle pulls out a taser but why have you got that that's even more modern than a gun takes it a glock nine millimeter the point is king arthur didn't stop right at the bow and arrow he made the rifles and had someone come along with a darpa drone that could unload 2 000 rounds in half a second
Starting point is 00:30:21 he would have used it of course now if this explanation was true and the military had developed some sort of nuclear powered craft yes i need to find out what this thing was all right so i looked online to see what other investigators thought the craft could be that's when i noticed one user say i may be wrong but it actually reminds me of a Lockheed Martin's multiple kill vehicle. Obviously, I had to know what this was. So I looked up a video
Starting point is 00:30:52 of a Lockheed Martin's MKV. Now this is an actual piece of military equipment that exists. And it's not even secret. This video's got like a million views. Oh yeah, it's on YouTube.
Starting point is 00:31:03 You can check this out. A lot of the good like to dislike ratio as well. This is a T08 hover test. This is December 2008. This video is very low res for 2008. Oh my god. Are those bullets? I think that is some sort of jet propulsion.
Starting point is 00:31:23 It's not firing bullets. That is to... Oh, that's keeping it going. Keeping it in the right directions. Jesus Christ. I think it just takes off again here. Oh my God. Now, people listening at home,
Starting point is 00:31:40 what we're essentially seeing here is a kind of small metal device yes similar to the size of it's essentially drone sized it's a drone size yeah but in the way the drones function by fans yes to lift it off the ground this is a looks like a rocket propelled drone rocket propelled drone using rockets on the sides of it to keep it positioned and moving in the right direction yeah once you see how many just how many rockets this has you'll realize how complex it is to just keep something in the air and straight yeah now it's called a multiple kill vehicle which sounds very intimidating yes a little less intimidating when you realize that the purpose of this device is to actually intercept uh intercontinental missiles oh so the killing is like the
Starting point is 00:32:32 neutralization of the missiles that is what they would say though isn't it yeah to get it made get it out the door because first they were like the multiple human killing missile and they were like you can't say that. And then, you know, once you order and it comes to your house in a big old package, there's a little note inside the package. It's like, by the way, they'll flick the switch and it'll go mental. Lock the doors and let it go mental. Mental mode.
Starting point is 00:33:03 It's like demo mode on a keyboard. Now imagine this device. Yeah. 300 times bigger. Scaled up. In the shape of a diamond. I mean, she didn't like specifically say exactly how big the thing was, did she? I think she said it was bigger than the car. Yeah, bigger than the car.
Starting point is 00:33:20 Yeah. So it doesn't even feasibly have to be that big. I mean, from this video alone, we've seen that. I mean, that could exist. Something like that absolutely could exist. But one problem, I guarantee that thing's not nuclear in any way. Oh, it is absolutely not nuclear. But does that not mean that the legacy of Project Pluto hasn't gone on to develop such equipment.
Starting point is 00:33:46 I mean, if you mash this multiple kill vehicle together with Project Pluto, bam, you have a nuclear engine powered kill machine. Wow. This is really muddying the waters. There's a lot of different ways this could go. There is. I mean, two, the way that you outlined, the two different ways. Two paths. Both pretty damn paranormal, to be honest.
Starting point is 00:34:07 And these paths are where we end this week's episode. It's time for conclusions. We're at a crossroads, people. Which path do we go down? Do we go down A, this is an otherworldly craft with a nuclear engine melting humans. Or B. This is a government-created craft with a nuclear engine, and it's a top-secret operation of some kind. Or I guess C. It's a tiny path. You can barely see it.
Starting point is 00:34:42 And it's that none of this was real. It was made up. It's not paranormal. Yeah. We don't have to look at that one. Don't even think about that one. This is just about the hardest decision I've ever had to make in this podcast. You're really thinking about this.
Starting point is 00:34:57 I appreciate that. Especially because sometimes when you've hosted the show, I've said no during your conclusion. You say sometimes as if it wasn't all the time you know we've had a bunch of evidence on this one pretty much unprecedented levels of evidence to do with this case between the court case itself the physical injuries endured by the witnesses what we've come down to is a classic trade-off between was this otherworldly and or was it just secret a long time ago anything that was unknown was pure mystery anything that was unknown was definitively paranormal but today we have this shadowy tier of society you know that is
Starting point is 00:35:41 the military industrial complex and so on where things are kept from view the glass gun the b-bomb they have it all and so i don't we can never be sure whether something is truly unknown or whether it is just being held from view exactly it has been said though that in previous decades the military always had the most advanced technology there are always a few steps ahead you know all that technology that went into putting man on the moon you know eventually later as you say filtered all the way down to your crappy exploded uh watch under the mattress there it's true but it took a long time and no one else in the world had access at that time computers weren't around took a long time for that to filter down but in the last
Starting point is 00:36:30 few decades that dynamic has completely shifted where the most advanced technologies are almost consumer technologies i guess what i'm trying to say is that we haven't seen anything since this story that really fits the description of what was seen that night. And hell, maybe I want to believe, but this case just isn't making any sense to me, which is why I ain't buying it. I ain't buying that this is some military testing. This is just some run-of-the-mill weapons test this is just a couple couple army men running about in a field shooting each other this is something completely different and these witnesses have the scars to prove it that's why this week on this
Starting point is 00:37:18 paranormal life i am saying this is a yes this is ufos this is normal we gotta march people we need to rally up and get the people behind this old old event yes listen brother i'm right there with you it is so rare that we get a ufo case like this with so much evidence the radioactivity, the multiple witnesses. You know, even to have a case that is so well documented and proven that it can even reach the US court. Good God. Is incredibly impressive. And of course it was thrown out in disgrace. Yeah. But what good case isn't?
Starting point is 00:37:59 You think the judge is going to gavel himself? No. judge is gonna gavel himself no and whether or not this was an otherworldly craft or whether or not this was some insane nuclear powered military experiment i believe both of those roads still lead to paranormal town meaning this case is a yes from me too it is paranormal christ i'm feeling fired up i'm feeling fired up i want to fight i want to fight whoa it has been a while since we have had a double yes on this podcast i'm glad you know guys we love doing the fun ones we love doing the uh the little jokey ones have a little laugh we call those the kit ones now and again, it's always fun to investigate these hardcore stories. That's right.
Starting point is 00:38:49 And hopefully bring some serious paranormal facts to anyone who is still listening at this point. This is what it's all about, people. This is what you guys come for. This is what you guys tune in for. You're punching yourself really hard. It hurts, but I feel alive. What can I say so thank you so much for listening to this week's episode of the podcast if you want to support the show
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Starting point is 00:40:04 to that tier so if you signed up to the $20 tier a little while for some of our day ones that maybe signed up to that tier. So if you signed up to $20 tier a little while ago, you might have moved to Austin that time. So I've sent y'all a little message on Patreon. So let me know your size, your dress, and we'll get that thing out to you November 1st. And as always, at the end of the show, we'd like to give a special thanks to everyone who has supported us on Patreon so far. So, a very special thank you to George Threadgold. George
Starting point is 00:40:31 only threads gold. No silver for George. That's because he's a winner. He comes number one every day in his life. Every opportunity. Brushing his teeth first thing in the morning? Number one. Did it faster than anyone. One second.
Starting point is 00:40:46 Oof, done. It's kind of bad, actually. Breakfast. Ba-ba-ba-boom, done. Ichiban. Skipped it. That's how quick he was. He's actually off to a pretty bad start to the day.
Starting point is 00:40:55 Yeah, he skips most things to save time. Yeah. But that's what makes him a champion. He's in bed by 10 a.m. We're in awe, honestly, George. So thank you. Well done. For supporting.
Starting point is 00:41:04 Thank you also to Miss Believer. Miss Believer was a disbeliever till she started listening to this paranormal life where we convert idiots into smarts. You know how people say, oh yeah, there's book smarts and there's street smarts. What happens when you read your book on the streets? What happens when you read a book called The streets what happens when you read a book called the streets have you read that book it doesn't sound like it i don't read yeah i didn't think so it takes up too much of my you're just the streets
Starting point is 00:41:34 i'm just the streets okay because i don't have time for the book part yeah but misbeliever has time for everything and that's why she is smarter than both of us combined. Thanks, Miss Believer. Thank you also to Ryan Harold. Wow, if it isn't Ryan Barreled Harold, the first man to ever chuck himself off Niagara Falls in a goddamn barrel and live to pledge on Patreon. Truly a paranormal feat.
Starting point is 00:42:04 Truly a paranormal man. I don't think he can really move anymore he doesn't need to with a click of a button patreon can can take your money he made so much money with that one act that he has been a a a patron of paranormal causes all around the world ever since. So thank you. Thank you also to Talon Diaz. There's no Talon what Diaz gets up to at the weekend. That crazy son of a bitch. Last I heard, he got chucked in the slammer out in the wilderness of Australia somewhere. This was true.
Starting point is 00:42:39 Next thing he knew, he was, I think I heard he was like, I don't know, traveling around, selling acid in car parks, concerts. Life has not been kind to him. It started off cool and then it got weird. Talon Diaz got kicked in Diaz by life. But he still sells enough drugs to be able to support his paranormal pals. And we'll take that drug money. We are not proud men. No.
Starting point is 00:43:08 No. So thanks for doing the dirty work for us, Talon. Thank you also to Andrew Nedelka. Andrew, did you know that nettles can sting you? Do they have nettles everywhere in the world, or is it like a UK thing? Yeah, probably a lot of places. I feel like it's quite a UK thing, though. Listen, nettles were in the world or is it like a uk thing yeah probably a lot of places i feel like
Starting point is 00:43:25 it's quite a uk thing though listen nettles were planted here by aliens to keep humans in check just when you think you are safe in the embrace of mother nature turns out mother nature stings like a bitch yeah and you learn that pretty early on in life. You know, you're frolicking around the garden, enjoying all that life has to offer. And then, just like Adam and Eve fell from grace by picking a poison apple, uh... You tried to chomp down on a nettle. I heard
Starting point is 00:43:56 it made great tea. So, Andrew, beware the nettles. That's all I'll say, brother. Thanks also to Dave Marshall. Dave Marshall is partial to a bit of the paranormal, and I appreciate that. A man after my own heart.
Starting point is 00:44:11 Well, Dave, you got two yeses this week. Yes to the podcast, and yes to Am I Grateful? Which is really the bigger question. And I am. I am, Marshall. So thank you. Thank you also to Christopher Comery. Christopher's, Marshall. So thank you. Thank you also to Christopher Comery. Christopher's never late.
Starting point is 00:44:28 He come early. Are you drunk? He come early. Christopher come early. You know how they say like a wizard is never late. He arrives precisely when he means to. Right. Well, Christopher come early.
Starting point is 00:44:40 That's his saying. Equally poetic. He kicks in the door. Christopher come early that's it that's his saying he usually poetic kicks in the door christopher come early kicks the front door in the party doesn't start for three more hours it's really annoying you have to make him a snack you know turn on your xbox for him to play because he's bored he was actually trying to give us money before we even set up the patreon he was so early we're like we didn't even know we were gonna launch it this is insane so thanks thank you so much for the idea i guess and thank you lastly but not leastly to mr ryan trail ryan the ryan frail trail the skinniest little trail tracker that ever lived this stick insect of a man yeah can hunt
Starting point is 00:45:29 unbelievable of paranormal cryptids like no one ever say it's his skinny tiny nose that does it his delicate twinkle toe footsteps barely imprint the dirt meaning any paranormal creatures don't even see or hear him coming his tiny armpits that barely even produce any sweat at all means even beasts with the strongest sense of smell have no idea what's happening but luckily there is one big thing about him his pockets filled with coins to rain down on the paranormal peasants listen whenever you catch that many lucrative beasts you got a few pennies to show for it exactly and you're also he he robs a lot of banks because they don't even see him wow he's so light he kind of just floats through the air vents yeah uh so thank you everyone who has contributed to the patreon and thank you
Starting point is 00:46:24 everyone for listening to the podcast. We hope you had a great time. And we will be back next week with a brand new paranormal tale. Remember everyone to live fast, investigate, and die young, baby!

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