This Paranormal Life - #118 The American Dyatlov Pass - Part 2

Episode Date: June 25, 2019

What happened to the 5 men who mysteriously vanished one winters night? What did they find inside that old cabin? Time for some answers...Support us on Patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife to get access to ...weekly bonus episodes!Buy Official TPL Merch! - thisparanormallife.com/storeFollow us on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTubeJoin our Secret Society Facebook CommunityIntro music by www.purple-planet.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Last week, on This Paranormal Life, five friends drove 50 miles north to Chico, California to watch a local basketball game. And that was the last time any of them were seen alive. The police started investigating the disappearance, but they couldn't find anything. June 4th, a group of motorcyclists were driving up in the woods around 19 miles from where the Montego car was found. They rode past a nearby trailer that was maintained by the Forest Service. The front window had been smashed. The men approached the cabin and slowly pushed the door open. Hey everyone, welcome back to part two of the American Dyatlov Pass mystery incident.
Starting point is 00:00:47 We're very excited to be back with our conclusion episode to what happened in this case. That's right. We started off last week with a smorgasbord of different sort of paranormal setups. And believe it or not, we are going to go down the rocky road, the dark wormhole that is this mystery and end up at a yes or a no, whether this is paranormal or not we are going to go down the rocky road the dark wormhole that is this mystery and end up at a yes or a no whether this is paranormal or not so to catch you up with the story if you haven't listened to part one definitely check it out but this is where we are so far february 25th five friends drove 50 miles north to chico california to watch a basketball game their names were bill sterling jack hewitt ted, Ted Wainer, Jack Madruga, and Gary Mathias. But as we know, when they left the game, they never arrived home. Their car was
Starting point is 00:01:31 found all the way out in the woods in the middle of nowhere, completely abandoned, and all the men had disappeared. In hindsight, I didn't need a whole episode to build up to that point oh we actually covered it pretty quickly in that roundup we might go back and delete the first one and just lead with this if you haven't heard part one it you don't need to part two is going now this is the only time we'll ever say that i've already had the whole week people in the paranormal commune putting me on blast for my 15 minute episode. This is Jeff the Mongoose all over again, people. The cult has turned on me. I promised you a banging ending and I'm going to deliver.
Starting point is 00:02:16 This story's going to get weird. That's right, because Rory has drunk that thing of petrol last week. The gasoline. Didn't work out exactly the way we anticipated. No, I have robot lungs now. Is there any of you that you look like Robocop? Is there any of you that isn't robot at this point? Negative. I am almost 100% robot. Well, hopefully Rory hasn't lost any of his storytelling ability. It's all here, brother. Don't worry. And I got metal lungs, so I don't need to breathe. We can power through this thing.
Starting point is 00:02:46 Our story ended when a group of motorcycle driving men discovered that a cabin that was maintained by the forest service had a broken window and they went in to investigate. So the men slowly approached the cabin and opened the front door. It was dark, cold, with a chilling breeze blowing through the broken window. The men noticed a figure in the corner of the room on the bed. The figure was wrapped head to toe in multiple sheets, lying motionless. One of the men slowly unraveled the sheet to reveal a frostbitten hand. Shush. Beside the body on the table was a nickel ring that had the name engraved on it ted it was the body of ted weyer one of the men who had gone missing four months ago
Starting point is 00:03:34 only one of them only one of the group only one of the group found frostbitten and kind of wrapped ceremoniously in a blanket almost as if it was after his death. The motorcyclists immediately call the police and tell them what they found. Officers and a forensic team arrive at the trailer to investigate the scene, and finally maybe get some answers to what happened that night, four months ago. But like every piece of evidence in this case so far, it only raised more questions. The men disappeared four months ago ago now that's a long time so at this point ted's body should basically be a skeleton there's no reason it should still look
Starting point is 00:04:13 this normal oh i guess i didn't really think about that i kind of imagined maybe the cold had like preserved preserve him i'm not too sure i think by this point he should pretty much be well i guess sorry the cold is thawed it's summer at this point so yeah months and months i'm being silly because like if you die on mount everest you're not going anywhere you're perfectly preserved but yeah actually i'm talking nonsense if this is in a forest by summertime the body would decompose exactly but when the forensic team unraveled the sheets, the autopsy showed that Ted had been alive in this cabin for at least 13 weeks. What? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:59 What? In fact, he hadn't just died of hypothermia, but also starvation. Oh my God. Isn't that crazy? This is a rapidly changing picture. And it's only going to get weirder, my friend. Over three of these four months, he was alive. He was alive till three weeks prior to being found dead. They were off finding him alive by, I think they worked it out to be a couple of weeks. Holy shit, they'd have to feel pretty bad about that. Yeah. Like, at what point were they just procrastinating the search effort? Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:05:20 Yeah. Like, at what point were they just procrastinating the search effort? Yeah, exactly. Ted had been in this cabin for so long that he'd grown a large beard and lost nearly half of his body weight. Besides the ring on the table was his wallet, a gold necklace, and a golden watch missing a crystal in the middle, which his family would later claim wasn't his. Either he picked it up on the way, or maybe there was someone else in the cabin,
Starting point is 00:05:44 or maybe it was there in the cabin before he got there. But even stranger, his shoes were missing and were nowhere to be found in the cabin. I mean, he's not gonna willingly throw them away in winter. So we can kind of assume someone's interfered at this point. Or yeah, because even I think if you're walking in the snow and it's really thick and you're running and you like lose your shoes you don't you don't go like oh there's no time you go no i'm going back for the shoes it's it's so cold there's no like i'll swing by jd sports after i get back after i have a spot of lunch at the cabin you're going back for the shoes you go oh yeah i've been lost from civilization for months it my shoes are my life you drop your wallet fine you don't need money in the wilderness no you drop emergency radar kit leave it behind that
Starting point is 00:06:40 that's not going to help you in the wilderness. You leave your phone behind? F*** phones. You think a grizzly bear cares? When a bear shows up, you're going to go, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. Oh, hi, police. Can you come save me from this grizzly? Yeah, that would actually be the perfect thing to do in that instance. They can do that?
Starting point is 00:06:59 They can... What, call the police? Yeah. Well, the bear can, but yeah, if you have it that i mean that would have solved this entire problem i mean if you could just call for help or indeed the radar system that you mentioned that you might be able to navigate your way out of the woods that's not in fact even if you had lost your shoes if you had the radar on the phone you're pretty much golden yeah no i think about it that's actually i probably i should have gone back for those
Starting point is 00:07:23 now that this happened to me cut to you you at your Duke of Ed camping training. The whole camp wakes up one morning. Where the f*** are all of our shoes and devices? Rory's winging them one by one into the lake. Don't need those where you're going. You're going with us. So a lot of strange things have happened so far. But the most puzzling part is yet to come.
Starting point is 00:07:44 The trailer they investigated, which, as I mentioned, was maintained by the Forest Service, contained matches, firewood, and heavy winter clothing, all untouched. That doesn't make any sense. It doesn't, does it? There were a few ration cans on the floor, but an even larger storage unit of rations remained intact, even though it had enough supplies to last all five men an entire year Bizarre so these cabins are prepared with almost exactly this scenario in mind Yeah That someone could come across them at the start of winter and live out the entire winter there alone exactly Ted essentially
Starting point is 00:08:28 winter there alone exactly ted essentially starved to death surrounded by food also a nearby shed held a butane tank with a valve that if it had been turned would have started the trailer's heating system it was rigged up to be i thought this was just like one of those they stumbled upon a gold mine rations for a year, a heating system, a fireplace, winter clothing. That sounds like a pretty nice holiday, all things considered. That would cost a pretty penny. It would. That's probably where heart attack Joe was headed with his family before he kicked the bucket. So with only Ted's body found in the cabin.
Starting point is 00:08:58 Sorry, it's such a sad picture. It's like a man sneaking out at night to break into a park rangers cabin and eat rations because you know then that one time that the rangers like it's like oh we're stuck out overnight at least let's go to god damn it joe you've eaten all the tin beans again yeah you shouldn't call your countryside getaway a rangers emergency supply closet that you just smash your way into and eat all the supplies like papa who does this place belong to it's ours junior i've got a timeshare on this place why did you have to break a padlock to get inside i share it between me and the ranger anyway eat your snacks whoop whoop he's here he's here grab the snacks and run
Starting point is 00:09:43 billy loses his shoes your shoes billy you don't need those in the wild he's taking off his shoes while he's running they can't trace us this way he's saying all this while having a second heart attack with only ted's body found in the cabin police began a search of the perimeter to see if they could find any trace of the other men and it it wasn't long before they did. On the road between the trailer and the abandoned Montego vehicle, police discovered the remains of Bill Sterling and Jack Madruga, both diagnosed with death by hypothermia. The search continued for two more days, until officers also found the remains of Jack Hewitt, two miles north of the trailer, a completely different direction. This meant that Gary Mathias was the only one still to be found. We're already getting a bit
Starting point is 00:10:31 of an idea of how these events could have taken place. Perhaps some of the men fell ill on the way to the trailer, perhaps, but then it doesn't explain why Jack Hewitt is two miles north of the trailer. Everyone's pretty far scattered apart i mean i don't know granted i am a very very sheltered city slicker yeah i know next to nothing about uh surviving in the wilderness but it seems like you probably wouldn't split up given the opportunity unless you have some unless one person you know that switch flicks in their brain and they start swinging a pocket knife at everyone else yeah yeah forest berry that you're all fighting over
Starting point is 00:11:11 then you should probably stick together uh because you know you know that'll happen when you get you know when you're lost in the woods you can't see anything and all of a sudden the berry supply starts getting a little low i feel like you're starting to draw on personal experience again. This is back to the radar thing. It's every man for himself. It honestly is. You have not known the taste of pure ecstasy till you have had a fresh winter kissed forest berry.
Starting point is 00:11:37 Okay. That's all I'm saying. So you went from like, it's all about survival and every man for himself to it seems you just really like the berries you didn't even need them sometimes i don't even wait till the supplies are running out oh sometimes i realize if i just have the knife at the start i can make people get the berries for me you can get more berries that way how many times have you had to fight over forest berries you know how you got hunters and gatherers?
Starting point is 00:12:06 I hunt the gatherers. It makes things pretty f***ing efficient, actually. I don't know where to begin with that. Well, you wouldn't because you've never had the taste of pure ecstasy of a winter-kissed forest berry. Why winter-kissed? It's fresh. It's cold. There's no fridge out there in the wild.
Starting point is 00:12:22 So a winter-kissed forest berry... It's just a cold berry. It's a cold. It's a single cold berry. And it tastes like ecstasy. When you have, when you've been. The drug? When you've been, when you've been out in the woods, all right.
Starting point is 00:12:33 Chewing on bark and drinking piss for two weeks. Don't do that. Do you know how good a frozen, a winter kissed forest berry can taste? I mean, of course. I mean, if you in the regular world eat piss and shit all day long, and then you have a Mars bar, it's going to taste, like, amazing, I guess. It's going to taste like a winterkissed Mars bar, if you will. I was going to say, is it a regular Mars bar or is it winterkissed?
Starting point is 00:12:59 For the sake of argument, winterkissed. I was going to be pretty damn good. Go get me one. The point being that I wouldn't imagine you would split up. You are stronger, smarter, more capable of helping each other in numbers. So to have them scattered. More berries for a start. Right, of course.
Starting point is 00:13:15 In numbers. Let's try and move past the berries just for a minute. I feel like you can't. I feel like you can't. That was a massive pause, sir. You're still holding the knife. It's very distracting. I don't even need That was a massive pause, sir. You're still holding the knife. It's very distracting. I don't even need it to be a berry, really.
Starting point is 00:13:29 If you just hand me a winter-kissed bug, a winter-kissed fish, anything from the wild- Why not just ice? Just winter-kissed winter- You can get that in the wild? Of course. A winter-kissed ice cube would just do me fine. So to have them spread out by miles, not just feet or meters, that seems remarkable. So we found the bodies of four of the five men. Gary Mathias is still missing. And just when you thought this case couldn't get even more confusing, when the forensic team were searching
Starting point is 00:14:00 the cabin, they found a pair of shoes that they believed to be Ted's, but they were Gary's, and Ted's shoes were gone. Weird. Really weird. On top of this, the rations that had been opened were opened by a P-38 can opener, which is a really strange military tool that only Matthias would have known how to use as he was the only one who served in the military. Oh, weird. I mean, that's a complete other layer to this story. So the one, so far, remaining potentially alive member of this group is the only one to be trained. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:34 And from this evidence that they discovered in the cabin, it seems that at some point Matthias was also in the cabin with Ted. Some of the possible reasons behind what is in that cabin is obviously matthias was the only one who was able to open the rations so he was the only one that was able to get into the to those ones before he left what kind of sick bastard cabin rations
Starting point is 00:14:59 are these that they're only openable by veterans but by like retired military equipment yeah that's so backwards i don't understand that you think to be fair i don't remember what year this is but maybe it was pretty far back because i feel i feel like nowadays there would be like legit hot pockets and a microwave and like some red bulls in the freezer yeah like you're so well catered to that there is a freezer in case you get too hot from your very well maintained temperature wise cabin it's like we used to put in all sorts of like nutritious varieties of tinned foods we just figured it's easier to put in 200 million calories of pop tarts i mean that's a cabin i want to get lost in throwing some cheetos
Starting point is 00:15:44 in there. Some Gatorade. Winter Kiss Pop-Tarts. Some Winter Kiss Pop-Tarts. Don't mind if I do. Now, over the next few weeks, police searched around the trailer and the surrounding woods. But to this day, Gary Mathias has never been found. Really?
Starting point is 00:16:00 Yeah. I was not expecting that. Never been found. They never found his body. They don't know whether he died somewhere out in the woods or whether he's still alive to this day. It's crazy, isn't it? That's the thing. Like, I guess in winter you have this window. This period in winter where the bodies would be preserved if they passed away.
Starting point is 00:16:19 But then, I guess once everything thaws out and there's a bunch of wild animals out there, those remnants could be gone forever. Yeah, but it's a little strange seeing how quickly they found the remains of every other person in that party. And I mean, within two days of finding the body in the cabin, they found all three other members. Yeah. We already know that he didn't break into the longer supply of rations i don't know unless he went military style and started hunting the wilderness i don't know where could he have gone did he he's either dead or found a way back into civilization and
Starting point is 00:16:58 maybe something happened that night that he doesn't want to be found the fact that ted survived for over three months i mean if you think that a couple of the other guys only made it two miles up the trail to think what kind of distance you could cover with rations or any amount of food and three months you could he could be dozens or even hundreds of miles away if he found some way back to civilization, like you say. Yeah. Well, to this day, police have never ruled out foul play. Jack's mother told the Washington Post
Starting point is 00:17:31 that she believed that, quote-unquote, some force had led the group astray, saying, We know good and well that somebody made them do it. I'm positive Jack never went up there on his own. Ted Ware's sister-in-law said, They must have seen something at that game. Something in the parking lot.
Starting point is 00:17:49 Maybe they saw it and didn't even realize that they saw it. What? Like a supernatural force? Or maybe like some shady deal. Some weird thing that they weren't supposed to see. And then the people who noticed them seeing it chase them on the drive home up into the woods up into the cabin a chase would explain some of it the fact that they kind of seemingly made irrational decisions all along the way as if something was pressuring them but by all accounts there's no external evidence of any pressure yeah but it's strange because the case doesn't make any
Starting point is 00:18:22 sense without it there would be no reason at all to keep on pushing forward. Like there was no reason to drive the car in that direction. No reason to leave the car when it was working perfectly fine. No reason to push off into the wilderness even when you found a cabin full of supplies. It's so strange. So I wanted to include this story on the podcast because, you know, it's a creepy mystery story. It's similar to the Dyatlov Pass incident.
Starting point is 00:18:51 A lot of parallels drawn there. So naturally, it would be a great fit. So, but the one thing we haven't talked about is the paranormal side to this story. All right. Why did these men go up here what forced them was something chasing them did they see something strange that night that would force them to go up there i did a little research online and i couldn't find anything whoa no one was connecting
Starting point is 00:19:19 this for paranormal means i don't think so i mean i searched a lot of reddit threads forums i went to the dark web found a bunch of weird shit on there i think i'm like i think i ordered uranium from a site by accident when i tried to click through to their forums that can't be okay i don't think so but it's on its way the concierge says there's a package for rory just stick in your airpods and keep walking you didn't hear anything stick in your airpods leave your shoes behind and run into the woods look for some winter kissed forest berries my friend maybe just mention to the guy if you get another x-ray or commercial airline flight in your life you might might die. Yeah. You're pushing it already, pal. We should warn him for sure. But there were in these forums, a lot of interesting theories about what
Starting point is 00:20:10 happened that night. So I figured we could talk about a few of them. Mystery Machine 2 said, what I find strange is that the sheltered areas like the trailer slash cabin, was not searched in the initial search. Had they checked, they may have found Ted alive. The only reason they were found was because someone noticed a broken window. Not saying there is a conspiracy, but I just find it really odd that those areas weren't checked even weeks after. Yeah, I mean, we'd have to, you'd have to ask a ranger, like, was it inaccessible? Did they decide it was too dangerous?
Starting point is 00:20:47 Yeah. I mean, how bad could this weather have been that they couldn't physically access these permanent cabins? And I mean, we're not talking about, because we said a storm rolled in, but we, like, a storm doesn't last four months. Nope. I guess maybe no one was under the assumption that someone could still have been alive up there after all of this which is quite sad geez i guess but then also what's the point in these emergency cabins and trailers to fill them with all these supplies if not for this very reason i mean do they do they put them there imagining that someone can shelter overnight
Starting point is 00:21:23 but then eventually make their way back i suppose so i guess that's it or i guess like worst case scenario if someone's gets trapped in there in an avalanche they have enough food and supplies to last them until someone can get them out super strange laney says this case is intriguing for the same reason the diatlov one is albeit at least with diatlov everything can kind of be explained with reasonable assumptions. First off, no. No. Absolutely not.
Starting point is 00:21:52 I think we came down with it was a military experiment and aliens were involved and there may have been some sort of night beast. I think we said yes to all of those. Yeah. Pretty much every paranormal option out there so laney if you know what happened up there can you please get in contact with us she went on to say why were they out there to begin with it's so far from where they were going and to where they'd been why did they stop why did they go to the cabin and stay so long it seems most likely to me that their individual mental states are the cause
Starting point is 00:22:26 of everything here especially the really odd behavior like not eating any of the food now she brings up a really good point uh that is talked about a lot in this story which is the mental health of these five men because i believe a number of them suffered from mental illnesses even though they were all on medication and i mean it was comfortable enough that they could do this sort of thing go out drive hang out together i don't think that there were any immediate problems but then i guess maybe in a situation like this where you're pushed into a very stressful situation i mean that brings out the worst in me i killed a man for a winter. So before you were trying to allude that you never had been in the wilderness,
Starting point is 00:23:08 this had never happened to you. Now you've just come out and said it. I'm airing it all out in the open now. And I'm a normal person. And I'd do it again for a sweet, sweet winter kiss. For half a berry, lukewarm summer kiss. I'd do it for a summer kiss ladybug. So help me God.
Starting point is 00:23:27 So yeah, that's talked about a number of times as a possible reason as to why they wouldn't eat the food. If they were under the impression that breaking into this cabin was trespassing, they would rather die than suffer the consequences of stealing people's property. Got it. So without knowing exactly what the individual states of each man was,
Starting point is 00:23:51 the fact that these men were not neurotypical means that we cannot apply the kind of rational thinking as we sit here in a quiet, calm room. We cannot apply our thinking to where their heads were that night in the in the middle of a storm exactly now i will say that like these theories have been run by the families of those men and the families have completely denied it saying yeah like they obviously know these men quite well and they would say this is so uncharacteristic and strange they would know to live rather than to yeah steal something like they're smart enough to understand the circumstances that they were in so i don't know it's an option but it's still very confusing
Starting point is 00:24:31 it's so tempting once you have kind of a um a clause like that to do with the story to do with where these men's heads were at that we want to just kind of write it off at that point and say say that well it was a situation of their own design at that point and say that, well, it was a situation of their own design at that point. But like you say, these families were like, no, this isn't in line with anything they had ever done in their adult lives to date. Yeah. They see the families every time they're interviewed are much more in favor of the idea that something or someone chased them or pushed them into this situation god that it was a much more dramatic thing rather than like we're lost we need to explore and then s mike 12 or smike 12
Starting point is 00:25:12 not sure what it is said i don't know what happened here but this shit is haunted i smell a conspiracy i like your line of thinking uh i don't know if we can really come out and say that about this early in the investigation, but I like where your head's at, Smike. Smike12, you know, I'm with you, brother. I smell a conspiracy when a conspiracy is around. Unfortunately, I did the hunting. I looked for any case of government activity in the forests around Yuba City and Chico. I went as far to google the words
Starting point is 00:25:47 snow ghost sure that's not a thing that's a band but it's not a thing i learned were they good i didn't listen i was under the under pressure snow i googled snow ghost snow beast winter cryptid yeah a lot of these different things and um almost zero hits it's remarkable how few responses i got back from that however college basketball ghosts were tanapani oh yeah yeah i think they witnessed some sort of flubber experiment that night but you know what i always say you know if you google something and you don't find it, it's because the fat cats on the top don't want you to find it. That's right. Why don't you go ahead and Google, are MIBs real?
Starting point is 00:26:33 Last time I did that, my laptop shut down immediately. Bam, gone. All my files, all my coursework. Like I had to repeat my second year of university. I'm pretty sure that thing's like a 1997 power book though. Yeah, it was running fine before I Googled it. It was running perfectly fine. I had all my shit on and I had all my coursework.
Starting point is 00:26:54 I had all my dissertation, which was animated realism and film, which I thought was actually pretty freaking good. And then I think oh gee i'll take a five minute break uh tappity tap tap tap where do the mibs live it sounds like you had your entire life entire adult life stored on this thing everything yeah i don't trust i don't trust a lot of things in life i don't trust hard drives i don't trust backups i don't trust paper you know what happens the paper blows away so where about that where do you keep information i kept it on my computer which is a hard drive
Starting point is 00:27:31 you realize that now i keep it in a book that's paper yeah but it's locked down i've got it locked down between the hard corners which are also paper they're tougher paper but the thing about a book is it can't blow away and it can't go away and that's why all of my secrets and all of my shit is right here in the top drawer beside my you don't know where it is you can't find it i lost the book i'm gonna be real with you i lost the book i was expecting massive, but you've lost it. F***. I lost the book. I don't know where it's gone. What's in it?
Starting point is 00:28:08 Like, is there anything sensitive? Anything that could like... Everything. Everything? Diaries from day one to now. Well, I wasn't really thinking about that. I was thinking like passports, credit card number, bank information.
Starting point is 00:28:19 All of it. All of it. My confession for when I killed that man over a berry. Well, you just confessed on air, but... F***. Oh, wait. The book's right over there berry. Well, you just confessed on air, but... Oh, wait, the book's right over there under your pillow, bro. Oh, oh. You did just confess the murder.
Starting point is 00:28:30 Right, but my passwords are safe and my diary. I think the police are outside. No one's gonna find out about my crush on Megan. So that's what I really cared about. So we got a lot of different theories about what happened, ranging from conspiracy theory, people suffering from mental health, people being chased into the wilderness, possibly just five men who got lost and a bunch of mad shit happened to them.
Starting point is 00:28:55 Kit, I mean, can you piece this thing together in any way possible? This is definitely a nebulous story and that's obviously why it's drawn so many comparisons with the Dyatlov Pass incident which if people don't remember it just basically we were let it was like one of these movies where you get the final scene at the very start and then you spend the rest of the goddamn movie working backwards trying to pick it apart but except with Dyatlov you just never get any closer to the solution that's a little bit like what happened here you're left with four bodies strewn across the ice in a park 70 miles from where they were supposed to be and one missing forever by all accounts and
Starting point is 00:29:36 almost zero explanation almost the opposite of an explanation for how they got there there's really no rational way that could have occurred well people again people have examined the maps and you know people have said there is literally zero there's a zero percent chance that they got to this place by accident yeah it's so far out of the way it would be almost impossible to reach this point by accident they drove so far into the wilderness there was no reason to do this at all like i cannot stress that enough and i guess that's what one of the things i can't help but think is that it almost has some similarities to the lead mask case we covered a little while ago where these two men went off kind of into the wilderness for seemingly supernatural
Starting point is 00:30:28 reasons that weren't immediately clear to those around them but it sort of defied all logic as to why they did it and we see a little bit of that here and i can't help but wonder do we jump to a paranormal explanation just because it doesn't make logical sense? Or is this just something that really just doesn't make any sense and doesn't have a paranormal explanation either? We talk to these families and they say, these guys wouldn't have done this. They were normal in every other way.
Starting point is 00:30:57 Why would they have gone out and done something like this? And I wonder, is a crazy paranormal explanation, is a crazy dramatic explanation, kind crazy dramatic explanation kind of a coping mechanism for these folks to try and come to terms with what may be a kind of freak set of circumstances yeah i think what you said is is bang right where it's like immediately you know as paranormal investigators we look to the paranormal to explain the things that can't be explained in the regular world yeah but maybe what we're looking at is just a set of normal circumstances well circumstances based in this
Starting point is 00:31:31 world that are very abnormal i mean there's a lot to tie into this story that we mentioned in the first episode and haven't even mentioned here like the man who's having a heart attack mentioned that he saw the car that they turned off the lights, that he saw a woman holding a baby and a second pickup truck arrive around the scene, which obviously wasn't abandoned because it wasn't there the next day. Granted, he was delirious from his heart pain. True. But all these things to take into consideration. I think the more I looked into this case and the more I broke down all the facts, it just didn't make any sense. I think the closest theory that I can agree with is for some
Starting point is 00:32:14 reason they drove into the woods. You're going to hear a lot of for some reasons. For some reason they left their car, which was working perfectly fine. For some reason, they wandered forward to try and find shelter, and they did find it. For some reason, they didn't eat any of the food to the point where they died, and then men left the cabin to try and find help and couldn't because it was just too cold. That is an explanation that doesn't make any sense but at least is plausible like it could that could have happened yeah there's nothing outside the realms of physics it's it's only it only defies logic it doesn't defy science in the way that paranormal stories should that's very well worded and believe me if i had got one hit when i googled snow ghost
Starting point is 00:33:06 snow ghost would have been the conclusion also winter cryptid any of that shit i would have hammered that nail down that would have been it like right out of left field you're like yeah obviously these are three men under tremendous stress uh-huh uh-huh i think it was a snow ghost i think it haunted them to death up in the wilderness and what's that based on one google result to a fan fiction posted on wechat in mandarin chinese in 2003 it's like oh you don't believe in snow ghosts well here's their number one hit single like this is a band yes i see that now this is a band okay but does that mean that they were not also hunted by a ghost of the snow so yeah it absolutely does where would this name have come from please so high without fact look it's a weird
Starting point is 00:34:01 one guys it's a strange one i'm glad we investigated it it's also quite a heartbreaking story because i mean in the end uh these five good friends uh some of which were suffering with mental illnesses just died out in the wilderness and for some reason no one found them for four months it's uh it's pretty sad it's pretty heartbreaking stuff i think uh hopefully i speak for me and kit when i say we do not believe this was a paranormal case nope no paranormal activity no snow ghosts nothing like that but hey i think it was a great story hopefully i didn't disappoint on the delivery of that sweet sweet conclusion because you know i did realize yes i maybe i padded out the first episode a little bit sure and you did
Starting point is 00:34:46 kind of big this up to be one of the strangest most sensational cases that we would ever cover i think we talked for five minutes about the differences between chica and chica state which ultimately were very little there's almost no difference but hey what a case i'm glad that we investigated it if you have your own theories as to what the hell just happened to these guys, please let us know by emailing us in at thisparanormallifepodcast at gmail.com. And if you want to get involved with even more fun, awesome, entertaining paranormal memes, then you can head on over to our secret society it's a secret society it's it's on facebook sure but it also exists in the real world you know it's a place you can go to it's a commune it's not a cult you know uh did you see the last john wick movie no i didn't okay
Starting point is 00:35:42 do you see any of the john wick movies no i haven't okay it's awesome so in john wick there's like a hotel the credits state john wick slow motion tracking shot into john's house it's like you're oh so you're just gonna tell me the entire trilogy i start acting it out john have you come for me you've got to come back for one last job john i'm retired turns out you haven't seen it either the point being that in john wick there exists uh and probably the real world let's be honest a hotel run entirely by assassins and inside the hotel they just do assassin business basically uh in the paranormal world there also exists such a hotel i'm obviously not going to give you the name of this hotel i'm not going to give you the location but um paranormal secret society members can go there oh yeah it's pretty expensive it's pretty pricey minibar is a little bit
Starting point is 00:36:43 overpriced but but it's pretty lush. If you want to find out the location of this hotel, if you want to find out the coordinates to the hotel, what you need to do is you need to follow me on Twitter, at RoryHasPowers. You need to DM me and say the sentence, give me the secrets, master. That exact sentence.
Starting point is 00:37:06 Why do they have to call you master? It's part of, it's like, you know, when spies are talking to each other and it's like a bit windy for a Tuesday. And it's like, I like my apple juice with a lime. And they're like, Mr. Bond? Yes, Q. But they never, why would they have to? So listen, at Rory has powers. DM me.
Starting point is 00:37:23 I want the secrets, master. Then I will DM you back with a password to get onto a secret encrypted website. Okay, this is so convoluted already. From that website, you will solve a riddle. And once you solve that riddle, my friends, you're as good as goose. As good as goose? As the old saying goes. I thought you were going to say gold. What's good as goose? good as goose as the old saying goes i thought you were gonna say gold what's good as goose clearly never been to the hotel okay he's tried he's tried five times to
Starting point is 00:37:52 crack the riddle on my secret i refuse to call you master you didn't make it past the dms you were like i want your secrets asshole all right you're not getting to the website. Come on. You're not getting to the website. I really need a hotel. I got nowhere to stay. My paranormal Airbnb is almost up. Yeah, come along. Come stay at the paranormal hotel. I think what we're saying is the paranormal hotel is this Facebook group.
Starting point is 00:38:18 No, it exists. Kit thinks it's a Facebook group. I tell him it's a Facebook group. What's that? It's fine. It's fine. DM fine dme tell me your secrets master uh so yeah join the facebook group if you want a lot of bunch of paranormal memes it's awesome there but another amazing secret society that you can be part of that's not the commune that's not the hotel it's the power hotel holiday in the channel this is where the party goes down after hours.
Starting point is 00:38:47 That's right. DM me. Give me the keys, bitch, on Twitter. And I will give you a mystery key in the mail that unlocks a secret P.O. box. Facebook, poke my ass to receive a digital evite it's our uh patreon that you can go on to which is um patreon.com forward slash this paranormal life hopefully i don't know but on that on that patreon for as little as five buckaroonies a month you can get a whole ton of bonus episodes i mean we've been doing bonus episodes now for a year maybe more something like that so i mean there's a
Starting point is 00:39:24 there's a huge backlog there for you to just enjoy of additional content. Even lower than that, if you just do two or three dollars a month, one of those two numbers, you can also get your name shouted out right here on this beautiful podcast. And hell, it's no reservation at the Paranormal Hotel,
Starting point is 00:39:40 but it's pretty great. So, thank you very much to... Beth Green! Beth green has the best green that's right if you want that marijuana then then beth is gonna get you you've definitely never smoked weed in your life i have toked so hard that it blew my ass out sir so i think that's something that happens with drugs i i smoke absolutely an undercover narc for this you blew your ass out on weed i'm not a narc so beth just i'd love some of that sweet sweet ganj and you could just supply me with your home address, name.
Starting point is 00:40:25 I'd love to hook up and have a toke. So please, I'm not a cop. Thanks, Beth. Thanks also to Blair Buse. If it isn't Scary Blairie. The only reason I know this guy is because I saw a news report about him where he used to sneak into old folks' homes and try and just scare people. Unbelievable. Yeah, I think that he thought that's how inheritances worked. him where he used to sneak into old folks homes and try and just scare people unbelievable yeah
Starting point is 00:40:46 i think that he thought that's how inheritances worked like if he was the one to kill them oh he got the money highlander thing there can only be one exactly exactly um but i mean they told him that right when he was like in the closet full clown clown makeup, ready to pop. So Scary Blary was his name. He was, you know, shamed all over town. I'm glad to see that. Oh my God, he actually got some of that money. Seems like it. He's throwing it back to us.
Starting point is 00:41:15 He should be in prison. Oh, absolutely. Maybe he can't get hold of his estate. He's being siphoned off to podcasts. Hey, Scary Blary, we appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks also to Jamie Gregory. It's Jamie Gregory.
Starting point is 00:41:29 He's listening to our stories. We have a podcast, so give us cash. There's a little song just for you, Jamie Gregory. Adlib? Was that an improv? Right off the top of my head, man.
Starting point is 00:41:43 Really? You made that up? It was actually pretty awesome. I lied. That was a improv right off the top of my head? Really? You made that up. It's actually pretty awesome. I lied. That was a snow ghost song. I'm sorry. I completely didn't listen to them. One or two songs.
Starting point is 00:41:53 Jamie recommended them to me. Thanks. Also to Guy Remington. This guy is famous for throwing those high school parties. That's right. He gets the booze. He gets the ganja. He gets the ganja. He gets everything together to have a good time.
Starting point is 00:42:09 Guy, I would love to come to one of your parties, man. I'd love to come with, like, just me. You'd like to go to a high school party? Just me and the squad. Me and my friends. You're in your late 20s. Why would you want to go? Hey, just hang out, man.
Starting point is 00:42:21 What age are the boys? The boys? Well, the boys, um... Because boys would insinuate pretty young. You've got, um, uh, Lieutenant James out, man. What age are the boys? The boys? Well, the boys... Because boys would insinuate pretty young. You've got Lieutenant James. Just James, not Lieutenant. That's his code name because he's an officer of the party. That's pretty old.
Starting point is 00:42:34 No, no, no, no, no. We're not cops. Is that Lieutenant James over there in the Thrasher shirt? He looks about 90. I can see his handcuffs. he's still wearing his badge he's trying to fit in in a cool youthful environment but he's still smoking a pipe i'm not i think it's a meerschaum smoking ganja from a meerschaum pipe um if you could invite us to the party man that'd be cool no arrests just fun i don't know why I said that. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:43:05 That was weird. That was jarring. Just fun. Thank you to Real Santamon. They say Santamon is the Real Deo. A purveyor of all the most highly illegal shit. Oh, very nice. Very nice.
Starting point is 00:43:23 You know, I love that hashtag illegal activity me and james my buddy james would love to come hang out and just take a look at some of your rail stuff that you got going on there that would be awesome that'd be really cool so if you just supply me with your home address phone number and um your medical history as well would be awesome why would you need someone's medical history to hang out be awesome why do you need someone's medical history to hang out with them send me like maybe their address send me your snapchat code and your fingerprints baby and let's just let's just see where this night takes us me and me and james are in thank you to sarah allen sarah i don't want to scare you, but when it comes to our relationship, I'm Allen.
Starting point is 00:44:06 It was so aggressive. It was super. I think I came off a little strong there, Sarah. I meant to say, you know, thank you so much for supporting the show. I really appreciate what you're doing. It helps us every week to be able to continue this thing. And more or less, I'm all in. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:44:21 There's no way to say that without somebody saying it like Charlie Sheen. I'm all in. I'm winning and I'm all in. I'm all in. Sorry. There's no way to say that without saying like Charlie Sheen. I'm all in. I'm winning and I'm all in. I'm all Alan. I think we've got to move on. Thank you, Sarah. Thank you so much, Sarah. Thanks also to Alex Jones.
Starting point is 00:44:35 Alex B-B-B-Bones. That's right. I think he's the one and only skeleton that straight up listens to our podcast, which is remarkable. I'm not even sure how he yeah because i mean ears are just cartilage right so it's it's literally i think he just presses it and the vibrations just go into his whole body whoa so i mean he's scary enough let alone with a pair of airpods jammed in his skeleton head and he's just shaking with laughter and rage
Starting point is 00:45:01 and rage i don't think he can hear anything i think he's just laughing at the thought is he alive are you sure now i think about it i think i just put my airpods on a skeleton the man you killed yeah they were 150 pounds as well so i probably should have i'm gonna go back and get him after this but thank you alex thanks lastly but not leastly to pricey luke pricey luke will get you a sweet bag of kook. Kook. Cocaine is what I'm... That was a street name. For cocaine. Or Diet Kook. Which is the
Starting point is 00:45:32 less harmful version of it. Math, I think. So I don't care if it is a little pricey. And I don't care if you're a little dicey. I'd like to buy a bag off you, sir. To have a great night with me and James. Just open up a bag of kook sir. To have a great night with me and James. Just open up a bag of kook and get blasted.
Starting point is 00:45:49 Or whatever we kids say these days. Lieutenant James is trying to get wizard status this weekend. With kook bags. Or kook bags. So if you could just tell us your name, address,
Starting point is 00:46:04 TikTok handle, and spit in a jar for us, that would be just... That would seem so excessive. What is, like, you know, saliva pact. Some of that weird shit. Actually, a blood pact would be great. If you could get a sample, or like, just a... I shouldn't have said sample.
Starting point is 00:46:20 That's not weird. But like, just some of your blood. Just send me your 23andMe data. Send me your ancestor.com. That's, I want to know if we're related, bro, because we're both so awesome.
Starting point is 00:46:31 Yeah, come on. Just send all that stuff over. That'd be great. Me and, me and James. I'm just imagining James is like aviator mustache,
Starting point is 00:46:39 like six feet. Wrinkle does all hell. Me and James will take a look at it and yeah, let's let's party let's party man and that about wraps it up for this week and our investigation into the american dyatlov pass incident thank you so much everyone for joining us i hope you enjoyed this very strange and unsettling conclusion and we will be back next week with a brand new paranormal tale

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