This Paranormal Life - #321 Out of Body Experiences - Can Human's Travel to Different DIMENSIONS?

Episode Date: June 27, 2023

Is it possible, through years of meditation, to focus one's mind so sharply that your consciousness can actually leave your body? The answer... is yes. And it turns out you don't have to meditate at all. Apparently you just need to get hit by a train. Today we're diving into the mystery of 'Out of Body Experiences', specifically one's caused when an individual dices with death. Is it REAL astral projection? Or just loss of blood?LIVE TOUR - www.thisparanormallife.com/tourTickets go on sale at 9am 30th June in your event's local timezone. Patreon pre-sale links will be posted to Patreon. Pre-sale starts at 9am 28th June in your event's local timezone.Follow us on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTubeJoin our Secret Society Facebook CommunitySupport us on Patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife to get access to weekly bonus episodes!Buy Official TPL Merch! - thisparanormallife.com/storeIntro music by www.purple-planet.comResearch by Amy GrisdaleEdited by Philip Shacklady Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Is there an alien race that uses nudes as currency? Are mosquitoes tiny flying vampires? Answers to these questions and more on this episode of This Paranormal Life! Hello! Hey! And welcome back to This Paranormal Life. This is the weekly comedy podcast where every Tuesday we pick a different case and try to get to the bottom of it by the end of the episode and decide whether it's paranormal or not. As always, you're joined by me, Kit Greer-Molvena, and the guy sitting across from me, Rory Powers.

How are you doing today, Rory? I'm doing great. To answer your first question, can nudes be used as a currency? Technically, no. But they can be used in a barter type system where they are exchanged for services. For example, a nude can be exchanged for a restraining order. Oh, Jesus. That's not bartering. I think that's called the consequences of your actions. Of actions, yeah. Because I always say sometimes, you know,

consequences of your actions yeah because i always say sometimes you know shaking a bee's nest can be exchanged for bee stings again i think that's not really getting something out of it that's more just a consequence for the actions it's what i like to call the fafo law the around find out law yeah well right now i'm suffering from one of those, which is no sunscreen can be exchanged for becoming as red as a f***ing Teletubby. Right, Poe specifically. I went out. Not Tinky Winky. I went out. I got a little bit burned.

That was bad of me. I should have known that my vampiric Northern Irish skin wouldn't be able to handle the heat. So I've been suffering through that that consequence for the last few days yeah um i wasn't gonna say anything but um you look like a snake a snake that needs to shed its skin all in one giant go i'm trying to shed in one piece so i can essentially create a second rory they can do things for me like jury duty and look after my kids and shit that i don't want to do yeah i think if we kind of if we just put a raspberry pi computer in it and give it ai

it might be smarter than you honestly it might have more iq points yeah it wouldn't take that much i'm pretty sure but aside from the sunburn i'm doing pretty great today kid how are you doing um pretty good um we are coming up to summertime and we are coming up to my kind of annual sunburning of a lifetime. Whoa! Usually it's around this time that I quote unquote get it wrong. Yeah. Innocently for the first time. The sun shines.

I destroy myself. The sun shines so rarely in the UK. It's just enough time to forget the lesson you learned the last time it showed up, which is do put on sunscreen and look after yourself. And then you don't see the damn thing for about 11 months and you're just so happy you want to run around in a field completely naked. Yeah. I think I've talked about it on the podcast before. The last time I got destroyed was doing some marathon training back in the day. And I ran for about five hours with my top off on the beach, just in time to jog into the burn victims unit of the local hospital because I was toasted, flambéed and roasted. But this is not what we're here to talk about today.

That is just a simple It is. It actually is. Kit's nipples were so toasted they looked like two pieces of pepperoni. He looked like someone gave legs to a leather handbag.

I walked into the hospital and someone said did anyone order Papa John's? Because I smelled like f***ing pastrami. I think that is just, to be honest,

unique to the male lizard brain that we can't remember to put on sun cream every year when it starts to heat up. We actually have an even bigger investigation to get on with today. It's not a UFO. It's not a cryptid sighting. It's not a ghost,

but instead a whole paranormal phenomena that we have to get to the bottom of. But not a cryptid or a ghost or a UFO? What do you know, Rory, about out-of-body experiences? Ooh, not much at all. Out-of-body experiences, I feel like the closest we've ever come to talking about them on the podcast before are possibly either past lives or people who suffer through some forms of sleep paralysis who have strange dreams where they're looking down at their own bodies both excellent examples these are if you're not aware these are not to be confused with

in the body experiences which is pretty much everyday life. Brushing your teeth, walking your dog, all in body experiences. Where it starts to get paranormal is where you're minding your own business. And then, uh-oh, you're not in your body anymore. Is technically, is sex an in body experience? I guess for the dude. That's a great, that's a great intro question.

There you go. But if you think about it, it quickly becomes an out-of-body experience. Learn in again. In theory, that's usually how it goes. It's the best damn

six seconds out of your body you're going to have. If you think about it, that is kind of as paranormal as it gets. If you think about the, that is kind of as paranormal as it gets. If you think about the entire human experience

is we are a f***ing AI or some kind of ghost stuck inside a shell. I think that was the name of the movie, Ghost in the Shell. We are piloting a skeleton mech. We are walking around in our bodies. That is how we live our entire lives from birth to death.

The number one strangest thing that could happen to us is for our consciousness to not be inside our body anymore. That's true. I've never actually thought of it like that before. That is, that would be terrifying. Now, out-of-body experiences can take many forms, but there is one kind that are probably the most famous. And we're going to hear about them and really get stuck into today's investigation but first we have an even bigger announcement to make are we allowed to finally say it i think so we're going on tour holy moly this october we are embarking on our first ever world tour that means we're touring here in the UK, but also for the first time ever.

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This post was written by user zombie underscore twats with a Z. Okay, we're gonna have to beep that, I think. Jesus Christ. They allow you to have that on Reddit? You better get used to it because I'm gonna be saying it a lot. And get those giggles out of the way to listeners at home because you're not going to be giggling much longer because

Zombie Twits hasn't giggled since George Bush was in office. So gross. That's because the fateful story of Zombie Twits begins with an overdose. Our hero is found unconscious by their sister. The next thing they know,

they are phasing in and out of consciousness. The medical professionals were doing everything they could, endless blood tests to see what was going on, but they were losing him. thing they could, endless blood tests to see what was going on, but they were losing him. I don't remember a lot of it. I remember asking what was going on, and waking up in some random bed in another room. We're transferring you to an intensive care unit in the next city over, by helicopter. Unfortunately for the doctors, despite being completely out of it, what zombie twats lacked in consciousness, he made up for in physical strength. He was, of course, wrestling on the hospital bed like Wolverine, pulling out his tubes

and wires out of his arms, trying to fight the medical staff. They had to restrain him and reinsert his IV and deliver the medication that he needed to pull through. That's a weird reaction to ever have if you wake up in hospital, to start flailing about and ripping out the cables. If I ever wake up in hospital, I'm going to assume the reason I got here was important and the people here are trying to help me.

That says a lot about you as a person if you wake up and they're like oh thank goodness you're awake we found you when you why what have you done in your life that you think people are trying to kill you with wires yeah yeah he's like they finally come they've come for it my social security number we don't care about you we're trying to save your life uh it is true though i mean we've all seen those uh videos of people on a dentist chair or a hospital bed whacked out on morphine or different painkillers and uh you know it's pretty sweet for the most part most people just revert into a kind of little baby. Going to the dentist in the UK is so f***ed as well, because I'm pretty sure in the States, they gas you up, they give you all the

pills, you're basically off your tits in the chair having a great time. And from my experiences here in the UK, they give you a twig to bite down on and they kick you in the nuts to distract you. You put a potato in your mouth like you're a stuffed hog and just go to town. No, I've been there where they're like, whatever, have to get a filling or have to do some work. And they're like, all right, so we're going to make sure that we can numb the pain here so you don't feel anything. So to do that, we're just going to give you an injection straight into your gums so that you don't feel a thing. And you're like, okay, cool. And the numbing for the injection?

How do I get numbed so I don't feel the injection? He's already flicking the biggest f***ing needle you've ever seen. They're like leather strapping your hands to the seat. You're like, doc, the first injection though. The first, then, ah! That thing goes straight in. It goes straight in and they don't even get it.

My doctor didn't even get it the first time. I had to, they had to numb me up so I had like potato mouth. Stop talking about potatoes. And then they, and then,

you know, they always say the most bullshit thing right before they do that. They always say the words, you're going to feel a scratch. It's like, I i'm gonna feel a three inch needle going into my mouth it's not a scratch oh it's rough it's like you tickling me that would be a scratch yeah not a needle four nurses and doctors had to pin down his limbs so they could insert a nasogastric tube when just then for a second he lost he lost vision. But when his sight

returned a moment later, he wasn't looking at the nurses anymore. He could only see his own face. He had bulging eyes and puffy red cheeks. After 18 hours of treatment, my heart had stopped. I was then outside of my body, looking at the doctor and nurses trying to start my heart back up again. They were injecting me with shit and doing compressions. The doctor had a bald spot on top of his head. The nurse had what looked like a ketchup stain on her pants leg. It's blood, buddy.

I didn't just float there though. I went somewhere. It was very, very cold and dark and nobody else was there. I didn't know what was going on, but I was scared. Time stopped existing for me. I was yelling, trying to find another person. Hello? Anybody? And then suddenly I was yanked and flew back into my body. I felt like I had been slammed into a wall. It hurt to come back.

I had been clinically dead for two minutes. Whoa! I didn't wake up for eight hours after that. I didn't tell the doctor about the cold place. I rarely tell people about the cold place. I did tell him about the floating, though. Seems like kind of the same thing. I told him what happened, who did what, what they were wearing, and about his bald patch. Rude.

He told me that that happens sometimes, and that I should see a therapist specializing in out-of-body experiences. I didn't, of course. User ZombieTwits says that he healed well and went on to live a normal life, save for sometimes thinking about his strange and paranormal experience that probably not everyone is ready to understand. Yeah, telling the doctor immediately about the cold place is a way to guarantee you ain't leaving the hospital that night.

That's a very safe way to say you might be going to a different hospital, actually, after your short stay in this one. Yeah, everyone knows you got to make like an injured horse and be like,

I'm doing great, doc. I feel a million bucks. I feel like I can get back to work tonight. Let get me out of here let's get some of these tubes out of my arm and i'm out of here yeah yeah yeah you gotta tell them you're you're feeling great because otherwise because they're gonna be trying to take it real cautious yeah and you don't yes you don't want to get checked into an insane asylum so don't talk about the cold place not a good idea i mean mean, I feel really sympathetic here to

the doctors and nurses and stuff because they are trained to handle medical emergencies. Sure. Blood pissing out of people, people with their arms hanging off, people with sore throats. It's a wide range of illnesses. It's true.

Things that happen to the human body what they're not prepared for is 9 out of 10 patients coming back and talking immediately about the cold place

that's out of their jurisdiction we cannot expect them to be able to cure cancer and also know about the cold place

yes I think you need a witch doctor for the second one you need at least me or Rory sitting in the corner of the room going, so you've seen it too. Right, yeah.

I'm the other patient. That's been in the shadows of the room. And they're like, get him out of here. He keeps trying to talk to the new patients. Did you see it? Did you see it? Did you see the goat man? They're like, why are you in here?

Has your consciousness tapped into a next level of existence? No, I have chlamydia, but I do know about the cold place. In the scheme of things we've heard on this part of my life, that's a pretty powerful story. What do you make of that, Rory? Look, we can dress this up any way we want, but it seems like this person's soul

left their body and was drifting, hopefully, up. I mean, I know one place is hot. Right. So maybe the cold place is actually pretty chill

and good and maybe heaven. Cold seems bad. It does seem like it's not, I think if we're hearing about someone's near-death experience, we don't want,

that's not very heartening to hear. No. It's not smoky. It's not. It didn't smell barbecue or Szechuan sauce. It wasn't a kind of fiery BBQ pit. So hopefully it was heading in the right direction. But it sounds like it just got recalled back like a yo-yo when he sprung back to life again.

The reason that we started here, that we started our adventure here today, is because zombie twits, of course, had something called a near-death experience, or NDE, where you come either so close to death that you experience the very precipice, an edge of death itself, so close to death that you experience the very precipice and edge of death itself, or you do technically die for a short amount of time before being resuscitated. Have you ever had a near-death experience yourself? Aside from the time me and you drank a bottle of whiskey and then started jumping across rooftops in our hometown, that was technically near death, but I didn't actually, my heart didn't stop

for any period of time or anything like that and experience these out-of-body feelings. What about you? I once choked on a gobstopper as a child, an enormous gobstopper.

I basically almost died like one of the kids in Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory Tour. You know, one died in a river, one f***ing turned into a blueberry and I almost choked to death

on an enormous gobstopper. And as you're choking on that gobstopper, your brother Colin's standing over you like f***ing Walter White in Breaking Bad standing over Jesse Pinkman's girlfriend overdosing. He's like, do I save him? Right.

He's a bad person, but can I literally just sit here and watch him die? That was just like Willy Wonka watching Augustus Gloop in the Chocolate River. I was like, I know legally I should help him because it's my factory and everything, but. He kind of made the calculation. He was like, I think CCTV is pointed this way. I can see me stalling. i think i gotta move i could maybe tell the oompa loompas to wipe the tapes before the cops get here but i'll just save the kid i'll just save him i'll like i'll i'll try it slowly yeah like save him slowly he really didn't care about what happened to a lot of those kids we've covered it many times before he's a criminal because isn't one one girl she hops up and it's

like oh she's a bad egg so she goes to the place all the bad eggs go and then uh you know the parents are like oh where do the bad eggs go to the to the swaz bosley cushion world or maybe the f***ing grimbo de limbo and he's like it's the furnace we burn we burn the bad eggs. That's a cute joke, but nah. Mr. Wonka, though, is it like the furnace of Warnus? It's like a rhyme to, it doesn't actually cook eggs, does it? No, it's a giant fire.

It is a giant fire with a conveyor belt. Your daughter's dead. She is dead. Now, if you'll give me a second, this little cowboy child is stuck in a television. It's been a bad day for willie wonka and if we look at our first story here it's very easy to see what is paranormal about this experience in this case zombie soul or consciousness or whatever you want to call it literally left his body and went somewhere else to the extent that he claims to have seen things

that he wouldn't have otherwise been able to see. Right. Supposedly, he, for all intents and purposes, became a ghost temporarily. Yeah, he got that drone footage. He got that. He went UAV mode. But for now, we're going back to out-of-body experiences. Most NDEs are out-of-body experiences,

but not all out-of-body experiences are NDEs. Think of it that way. You don't have to come near death necessarily. To have an out-of-body experiences, but not all out-of-body experiences are NDEs. Think of it that way. You don't have to come near death necessarily. To have an out-of-body experience. Okay. They were first described and named all the way back during the Second World War in 1943, which sort of makes sense if you think about it, because during the war, a lot more people than usual were coming near to death.

Yeah. It's also pretty easy to spot whether you've left your body and gone to the paranormal otherworld. Because if you're in a trench wearing clothes covered in mud, you're still alive. If you blink and you're on a white sand beach drinking Mai Tais with Aslan the lion, you might just be having an NDE. Yeah. I mean, let's be honest. Yeah, I mean, let's be honest, war is a situation where many people's minds are trying to escape their body as much as possible.

They'll do anything to not be conscious in this moment right now, in the horrific scenes. So in an environment like that, it's no surprise people were having out-of-body experiences. But of course, people have been having these experiences for thousands of years too. It just took kind of modern researchers to give it a name and write it down for it to kind of technically enter the history books. All 16 years of my marriage, my wife described me as mentally vacant. I had a pretty long out of body experience because I wasn't present in the relationships. Yeah, but there's a difference between like, between being emotionally available and being floating six feet

above your family looking down at them. My family called me limp daddy because there wasn't a beep of brain power behind these eyes. I was off on a beach somewhere else in the Bahamas, mentally thousands of miles away.

Yeah, I don't know if playing Fortnite and ignoring your family counts as an out-of-body experience. I guess technically your brain thinks you're somewhere else. But what I'm trying to say is whenever someone is in a bad situation like war or my marriage to Susan, I can see why mentally they would vacate and their consciousness would try to escape their body. Victorians called this experience traveling clairvoyance. They saw it as a way to physically connect to the spirit world. And old Indian scriptures describe yogis being able to intentionally leave their bodies in spirit and then return at will it seems like throughout history people have identified this

as a power and tried to harness it very interesting i mean i'm i think we've kind of seen this depiction vaguely haven't we of like in a movie or something is like you know a yogi uh like a withered old man in a cave and he's meditating yeah but his spirit his spirit he's astrally projecting and his spirit is like flying across the earth and like right i don't know saving people from fires like superman or something but they can their spirit is stronger than their physical body yeah i think you're talking about the last jedi you're getting the confused with ancient texts pretty close honestly i mean star wars kind of notoriously rips off every world religion and and uh theology for its movies so definitely stolen from this kind of idea yeah which means the good news is you don't have to almost die

to have an out-of-body experience they They weren't dropping pianos on yogis' heads and asking them what they saw. According to Wikipedia, there are other ways you can get there, Rory. And please, for the love of God, no one try these at home. Ooh, okay. But the list includes traumatic brain injuries.

Okay, check. Got one of those. Sensory deprivation. Yeah. Gobstopper to the throat. Is that one psychedelic drugs oh okay that's that makes sense dehydration via gobstopper nothing's going down that throat afterwards sleep deprivation yeah i didn't sleep that night dreaming wait both so not sleeping and

also dreaming can do it and lastly lastly, electrocuting your brain. Have you tried any of these? I feel like the closest to an out-of-body experience I've probably ever had would be via a dream. But then at that point, that kind of delegitimizes the entire thing because by definition, it wasn't real. I guess it would have to be a dream in which those events actually took place somehow like a dream that became a premonition or something exactly it kind of time travel somewhat with reality in a bizarre way which mine didn't uh because i was dressed as goku fighting abraham lincoln i just wasn't in my body at the time so obviously that is a dream that did not come true. Yet.

Not yet, I will say. Still time. But no, what about you? Have any of these worked for you? I would say, I mean, I feel like for anyone, a few of these have happened to me or intentionally or otherwise. I did try a sensory deprivation tank once. Have you ever tried it?

You really tried it? I did. I think I got a gift voucher from a mate to do it here in london wow did it work i went with my wife uh and i knew quite a bit i think about it going in i kind of knew what i was getting into so i was going to be disappointed if i had nothing less than a complete out-of-body psychedelic experience I completely underestimated how difficult it would be to float in that little pod and not get the salty water in my eyes because it's saltier than you would believe brother I think they put too much water in your

tank are you supposed to be floating like a log? Yeah, that's the whole point. Really? The point of a sensory deprivation tank is you get in and it's so salty that you float totally effortlessly. It's heated to the exact temperature of human skin so that you can't really feel where the water begins and your skin ends. And lots of other factors that are sort of supposed to match your surroundings. It's also completely pitch black

so that you physically can't see anything. The idea being, you go back to egg mode. You go back to fetus mode. As if you don't even exist yet. Was my mother that salty? I don't have a lot of memories

from being zero, but that doesn't sound like exactly how I would remember it it sounds like they added just enough salt into your tank so that you would sink and also burn your eyes it was a bad combination I think you got I think in fairness to me

I think I lasted like the full hour or whatever because I think I f***ed up and got salt water in my it's so it's so salty it burns like acid there was something wrong with your tank i'm pretty sure there's no way this was right yeah well i pissed in it but that was because the toilet was busy before i went in but but i did manage to figure out how to get in without f***ing it up and uh and i did have a pretty nuts experience you do kind of zone out to a strange mental state.

My wife lasted, I think, about four minutes. And she was like, f*** this. I'm going to be in the waiting room. Really? What did she see? The cold place. She went straight to the f***ing cold place. Nope.

You just close that pod and just see the Grim Reaper holding us out. You're like, I see what's in my future. I see what's in it and i'm not interested uh like i say this list of ways that you can have an out-of-body experience uh do not try any of these at home you have to be a trained paranormal investigator to try these at home which is why rory is going to pick one of these methods i just mentioned in an attempt to have an out-of-body experience right here in the studio. Oh, I don't know about that. And I will say some of these do take too long to kick in. So we don't have any drugs nearby either. So your options are I kick you in the head or I electrocute your brain.

Do we have any other stories today to talk about people who have had near-death experiences? I think we just get to the meat and potatoes of this case, which is, let's give Rory brain damage. I mean, an out-of-death experiences. I think we just get to the meat and potatoes of this case, which is, let's give Rory brain damage. I mean, an out-of-body experience. There was no meat at any point. There was a Reddit post

in today's story and now you're asking for the check. But no, so far we've heard just one story of what an out-of-body experience can look like.

And we've looked at maybe what our own might have looked like, but, you know know as dehydrated as rory gets after a night out drinking a rory's dozen of coronaritas he's never hit out of body dehydration levels never not yet but we are only scratching the surface of what can happen during one of these out-of-body experiences and we're going to find out even more right after some words from today's sponsors. I wanted to find out more about OOBEs.

That's what they call them, by the way, in the industry. So I looked into the thousands of people around the world that have had unbelievable experiences. Like I said, you don't need to nearly die to experience these, but it doesn't hurt right or at least it does hurt but it definitely helps and one story of a near-death experience in 2006 caught my eye a man named david ditchfield was at a train station in cambridge waving off his friend

at the platform when he heard the tannoy system. Please stand free of the closing doors. He barely registered it, unconsciously happy in the knowledge that he was free of the closing doors. But just then, he felt a tug. He might have been, but his coat was not free of the closing doors. His coat got caught in the door as the train began to speed off. It pulled him under the train, where he was smooshed and smashed like a tube of toothpaste by the train. Unbelievably, he survived, but barely. Looking like a mangled Ren and Stimpy cartoon,

laying on the train tracks waiting for medical attention and looking up at the sky he was later after recovery able to be interviewed by psychology today about what he saw while he lay there i could see pulsating colors like little orbs much brighter and sharper than any colors I'd seen in my normal life. Watching them was really relaxing and therapeutic. It was such a beautiful place. He's losing blood. A lot of blood, clearly.

He's been run over by a train. Multiple train carriages. The sensation of love became stronger, and as I looked at my feet, I saw a huge tunnel of light drawing closer towards me. I felt, and I still believe this now, that the white light was the source of all creation. I never dreamt I would ever see something so beautiful. It was the light of pure, unconditional love. Editor's note, that was when they injected morphine. Yeah.

Unfortunately, no. It was the approaching second train arriving at the platform. Unfortunately, no. It was the 1605 to Bexley Heath. Then an unconditional wave of pain approached my body. It's so great that this guy lived so that we can laugh at this story. We can laugh about this. I forgot this was real for a second, I'll be honest with you.

Every molecule of my body was pulsating with love and light. Definitely the morphine kicking in, for sure. I felt more alive than I ever have done before. I felt more alive than I ever have done before. It felt like I was experiencing the true reality while my old world was just an illusion. I threw my head back and laughed because I felt so joyous. Then suddenly, I was back in hospital,

being rushed into the operating theater. But fascinatingly, more than 14 years later, he claims it completely changed his life, his outlook on life at least. In 2020, he said, now I feel like I'm living in different dimensions rather than one. Wow.

Someone keep an eye on him. It has made my life so much more interesting. I have more appreciation for nature and the world seems like such a beautiful place. Which, to be fair, he does sound like some kind of f***ed up Marvel villain waiting to happen. I see in multiple dimensions now and I can see that mankind is a cancer on this earth. Yeah, we're so close to veering into the dangerous change of mindset. But isn't that nuts that the tunnel of light is real?

That's not a cliche for movies yeah yeah it's obviously real enough in some form that a lot of people have talked about it before and had a similar kind of experience um which it's good to hear frankly that's really nice to hear because i know we're we are to be clear we are, yes, they're injecting him with morphine as he's feeling these things. No, this is him, as Rory says, every bone in his body broken, bleeding out. What should be the lowest, most animalistic, close to death point of his existence. Yeah. Is actually the most incredible, beautiful and poetic moment of his life.

Yeah. And look, we can all say maybe this is a little out there and a little wacky, but would you rather this or would you rather that they bring him back and they're like, oh, what did you see? And he's like, there's nothing.

There's nothing. Everything went black until this moment when you brought me back to life. And I felt every second. I wish I could say it was like a snap of the fingers. I felt every second. I wish I could say it was like a snap of the fingers. I felt every second. I lived there for a thousand years and you're only now bringing me back.

And I have to say, this experience was pretty triggering for me, Rory. Not because of the time I got my trousers caught on a mechanical bull, but because I've had my own out-of-body experience. And depending on who you ask, near-death experience that was the time you got your trousers caught on a real bull something we never thought would happen again

you thought you'd figured it out i went for the real thing the second time around everyone was yelling you lasted three seconds on the mechanical bull and broke your neck yeah the real thing will surely kill you look i've talked about it on the podcast before i'm not gonna labor the story um i met a german shaman in a forest and smoked toad venom this is not a bit unfortunately it's not a bit it's not a bit uh the sonoran desert toad is home to the most powerful mind altering compound ever discovered by man or God. He's the loud. He's also the loudest sleeping amphibian that there is the snoring toad.

It's snoring. Found in the snoring desert. They, they grab these toads and they, they, they scare them and then hold them up to a little pane of glass

and they fire toad venom at it and then you smoke the venom. That sounds like a bad... So you know it's venom. You know it's a bad thing that uses a defense mechanism to stop them from getting eaten. You need to know

what to tell the doctors who try to resuscitate you. You need to let them know what toad it was. That's like scaring a skunk, and they skeet their f***ing juice that smells like rotten s*** as a way to escape, and you're like, I might drink that stuff. Let me see what it does to my brain. Let's see if I meet God.

Seems like a bad idea. You don't drink in a squid's ink. These are things that you shouldn't do. Kind of makes sense though, doesn't it? If you're trying to have a near-death experience, smoking venom will pretty much get you there. There you go. Because eating the venom, that will kill you.

Smoking it? Yeah. Yeah, sure. Was this an out-of-body? I know it was a wild ride, but I didn't know if it was an out-of-body experience you had after ingesting this smoky toad. Let me show you,

using a JPEG image description on my telephone, a rough idea of what happened when I smoked the toad venom. Okay. This is a kid showing me a picture of essentially the hand of God reaching down from the heavens, smashing through the sky

like it's a fake brick wall holding a giant Miller beer. Miller light, yeah. And serving it to the people down below. But it's not about the Miller. It's simply that this is an analogy for what happened, except imagine instead of an ice-cold Miller genuine draft, it was just the face of God in the universe.

But the concept of imagine your field of vision cracked like an iphone touch screen and fell away and then true reality was kind of laid bare behind it yeah that would that would change you for sure yeah and it was just like tunneling through a white void through a wormhole through a kind of black hole of kind of pure consciousness, screaming, screaming. None of this sounds good, by the way. Oh, it wasn't good. Screaming at the top of your lungs,

hearing the voices of the ancestors, speaking in every kind of alien language, known and unknown to science and God. And then about 10 minutes later, waking up much like our hero here david kind of uh in his case on a hospital bed in my case in a shaman's living room yeah you woke up and the shaman was like all right so that was crack cocaine now you're ready for the toad venom that was cocaine? But that's some good stuff. That is the real deal.

You kind of want to really strap in for the venom. This stuff will drive you wild. And maybe that is the point where I say, don't try this at home. Because you're right, it's not. Obviously, it's not pleasant. But it's an out-of-body experience. it's it's another body experience absolutely you leave your f***ing body for about 30 minutes after i woke up i didn't know who kit was all right right

you're you're kind of neuralized essentially so i mean i can attest firsthand this is possible through uh psychedelic means yeah i guess it, you know, this same question we came about with dreams. You know, you may have had this experience. You may have believed it to be real because you're comprehending it through your own brain. But at what point is it real or not a hallucinogenic?

I mean, hallucinogenic implies that it is a hallucination. By definition, not real. So unless you f*** and flew through outer space and went to the site of the moon landing and took the flag down and then the next day they're like you guys aren't gonna believe this but the flag fell down somehow i know there's not wind in space but it happened uh that would be an indication of you kind of interacting with reality uh and this world i think that's where it gets interesting rory because earlier in our tale obviously in our first story we're

hearing about someone who floats laterally out of their body but staying in this realm enough to see the ketchup stain on the nurse's trousers and the bald spot on the doctor's head um but david's experience of getting trampled and mangled and smooshed by a train and my experience of smoking toad venom um that is more none of these are good witnesses for a paranormal case a dude who was hit by a train another guy who smoked venom from a toad trust me bro you're gonna want to hear what i have to say usually we want like a professor from a university or an an astronomist or something i'm a i'm a professor from the university of miller light how about that uh we don't want a guy called keitel who fell and hit

his head on a rock a guy called tron who got hit by a helicopter blade. But in David's, and my case, this is more, as David described it, skipping to another dimension, which feels almost more realistic, right?

It's like, I mean, this famous concept of seeing the light, seeing the tunnel of light, it's not here on Earth is it it's you're out of your body but not still here in the this paranormal life headquarters yeah yeah i guess the difference with the out-of-body experience is you kind of are still on earth but the implication is that you're going somewhere else you just went to the cold place. You straight up got there in about two minutes.

Such a short commute time. And maybe one of the most interesting bits about it, as you say, Rory, at what point is this not just a dream? Well, something David mentioned is actually incredibly common. When they do research of people who've had near-death experiences so many report many of the same things David reported that his experience felt to be much much much more real than his waking life which is not normally how we describe dreams we kind of pretty easily shake off um dreams in the morning and often even when we're having the dreams, we're able to shake them off or people can even lucid dream, realize they're dreaming in the middle of it. Whereas, get this, they did one study of 1,122 people who suffered near-death experiences.

65% of them said that their colors and vision were sharper and brighter and more intense than anything they'd ever experienced in their life wow uh most blind people even people who've been blind from birth who have near-death experiences can see during their near-death experiences for the first time what uh people routinely report that their experience is more intense more real than the real world what could this mean it's kind of like you know you're living your life with a wonky hdmi cable and then you get hit so hard they just jam that thing in and it's oh 4k 60 frames per second vivid colors uh in that moment. I mean, it might have something to do

with sheer adrenaline as well, that all of your senses are just cranked up when you're having an experience that traumatic. It's definitely one of the theories because, of course, this is happening in theory inside our brains, whether it's paranormal or whether it's not. So look, what we have is a borderline endless stream of historical experiences of NDEs and OOBEs,

even yours truly, and some inconclusive proof that maybe something really paranormal is going on. You know, seeing the thing in the room that you couldn't have seen otherwise. Sure. So how are the people at home supposed to decide whether they think out-of-body experiences are really paranormal or not? By giving them an out-of-body experience of their own. I have released toad venom into the water supply of greater London. No. I mentioned earlier that out-of-body experiences can be achieved through stimulating the auditory system using specific frequencies. Or in English, hearing noises that make you go loco.

We've covered this many times on the podcast before, such as in the case where we investigated the Lavender Town Syndrome. That's right. Where certain frequencies can affect the human brain. This is a real thing. right where certain frequencies can affect the human brain uh this is a real thing and this is of particular interest to us because you are currently listening to a dot mp3 file of sounds recorded at 48 kilohertz we have the ability to play through this podcast sounds that could induce an out-of-body experience rory. Rory, I have found a YouTube playlist

that promises to scientifically induce an out-of-body experience just by using sound, and we're going to expose ourselves to it right now at the same time as the audience. Are we legally allowed to do this? I feel like maybe forms would have to be signed. If you're driving a car and can't float to Mars right now, please adjust your set forwards by 30 seconds.

Everyone else, prepare to dive. I will say the YouTube video that we're going to be playing does come with instructions. Oh, okay. They write, all caps, CAUTION. This is astral projection. Sorry, not this is. This astral projection music.

Right. Strap yourself in a comfy laying down position dot dot dot get really comfy colon space put those nice headphones on make sure your eyes are closed or covered to prevent light and enjoy the ride to the astral plane this experience can be intense will you astral travel maybe will you journey the astral plane. This experience can be intense. Will you astral travel? Maybe. Will you journey to astral plane? Maybe. Sure. There is only one way to find out. Rory, are you ready? Let's do it. Let's dive in. All right, the astral travel frequencies have begun. Astral travel frequencies have begun. Remember to stay relaxed.

And as I say, if you are driving, try to aim your astral travel to a dimension that also has cars, so you can retain kind of function over your automobile. Right. We are not liable to be sued for any astral travel that takes place while you are driving a motor vehicle. Rory, are you feeling any kind of tingling sensations or anything to suggest that your consciousness might be exiting out your asshole? Trust me, brother, my consciousness started wandering long before you started playing this file. I'm glad to hear that.

This episode is having some effect on you. I don't know about that. It's pretty relaxing, I will say. If you made me put some headphones on and lean backwards, it could do something to you. It might send you, I will say. If you made me put some headphones on and lean backwards, it could do something to you. It might send you to the dream dimension. Okay, I'm conscious that we still need to land this plane, so I am going to try and bring the listeners back through the astral realm.

Don't get lost. Turn left at the three-eyed coyote, and please make it back to Earth where possible we're coming back in three two one rory i think i was losing there for a second but i'm glad to see that um seemed to be how many how many fingers am i holding up four all right he's gone he's gone Rory that is supposedly one of the ways you can get to some kind of astral plane or have just a general out-of-body experience do you think do you think that one is kind of moving the needle for you at all or do you think you still need to get kicked

in the head by me uh look I've been waiting for this moment in this case we talked about a lot of things today we talked about people having experiences in the hospital, someone getting hit by a train, and Kit smoking the venom of a toad. I've been waiting for the moment that we finally bring up astral projection. Right. And just like Kit gave you a warning

before that video started, that you can tune out or skip forward if you don't want to hear something unpleasant i'm going to give you that opportunity right now as well folks if you want to hear me go tinfoil hat on right now you can skip forward maybe 45 50 minutes where are we going because i'm about to launch another podcast about to start another part two is about about to start another podcast about to start? Part two is about to start,

mother f***er. Because you want to talk about out-of-body experiences, it's all about astral projection. We're going to take a quick moment to pause here while I take off my Atlanta Braves baseball hat and put on my tinfoil hat. I need to throw that thing away because

you wield too much power with the tinfoil beret. It's so small. it's still so small you had your warning now here comes the unhinged paranormal investigator chat you want to talk about paranormal evidence for astral projection brother it was in front of you the whole time look on the paranormal wall behind me i have pages of redacted actual government investigations into astral projection these pages on the walls these are printouts from a declassified cia investigation into the phenomenon of astral projection where they did experiments to see if a human's mind could travel to other dimensions.

Why are you so passionate about a case you've never covered on the show before? I cover it off the show every night before I go to bed. These are all real. Every night, I astrally project to Miley Cyrus' house where I make out with her all right uh it's true for for for those people watching the video recordings of this podcast um we kind of built a conspiracy wall behind me as part of the set for the podcast a fact wall not a conspiracy wall oh sorry yes a fact wall uh and a ton of the pages that are printed up here are actually from, I don't remember what the project was actually called, maybe Project Gateway or Operation Gateway. There was an actual investigation that the U.S. government did into astral projection.

Correct me if I'm wrong as well. The conclusion essentially being, yeah, it's possible and we need to figure out how to use it before the Russians do. This is a real thing. You can look it up online. You can read all the pages. Brother, I'm so deep into this thing. You have no goddamn idea. When is it coming on the podcast?

When can we hear an episode on it? I don't know. It's almost not funny. Why did you slump your shoulders as if this is like too big of a job? You can't do it. It is too big of a job. You literally have to record a podcast next week. We could do it then.

No, it needs time. It really needs time. No, hilariously, joking aside, one of the reasons I do know so much about it is because we mentioned it on the bonus episode, the TV show version of this paranormal life that i have been writing right uh focuses on astral projection okay and uh to write properly about that i actually did a ton of kind of fun kind of silly research into it

and yeah because of that then i've deep dive into God, there's so much crazy stuff out there. I mean, the sounds triggering it is like one thing where it's like frequencies apparently help you, I don't know, your mind travel. There's also all of this stuff about a silver coil when you travel that attaches your astral body to your soul back on Earth. So you have to be careful not to break that. Otherwise, you can become lost on the astral body to your soul back on earth. So you have to be careful not to break that. Otherwise you can become lost on the astral plane. There's a, I won't say the name of it because I don't want to be sued. They're kind of at a Scientology level, but there's also an institute in the US that's been functioning for like a crazy amount of years. And I kind of want to do this. You pay them whatever money to go on a

retreat and they teach you how to astral project. It's a crazy world. People take this very seriously. I know. Even to this day. So it could be that yes, with out of body experiences and near death experiences are kind of a shortcut and a cheat code to get there. But there's also very tried and tested methods to achieving this level of outer body experience that, my God, has been around so long that the frigging military themselves spent money investigating it. Well, I'm so glad you've brought it up. All right, I'll put my regular hat back on.

Rory's eyes rolled into the back of his head head i was possessed there for a short period of time um i'm glad you brought it up because uh it is the elephant in the room of out-of-body experiences is that one of the most famous well-known uh versions of that is astral projection it's kind of one of the most culturally known ones i suppose it's different maybe i think it's there's maybe a slight distinction only in that astral projection it's kind of deliberate isn't it yeah and and these near-death experiences and other body experiences we're talking i'm talking today about them in almost an accidental context but uh i i felt the astral projection was its own episode and that we would

get to that another time um but uh i'm so glad to hear that you're on the ball with that one oh yeah oh yeah that's gonna be a two-parter for sure uh the first part in our dimension and then the second part is available behind a paywall in the astral realm. Everyone has to hold their breath until their vision goes to a pinpoint. And then right before you lose consciousness, just hit play on your iPod, on your podcast player of choice, and the second episode will kind of come into your mind. I hope you guys are back to Earth after hearing those auditory tones. And maybe you've got a taste from what Rory's described of looking into a bit more astral projection on your own.

But just stay tuned to This Paranormal Life because we will be covering that in more detail in a future episode. But on this episode, the one that we're still here on Earth recording, we have to decide at the end of our episode whether out-of-body experiences are paranormal or not yeah whether we think they're real rory what are you thinking today you know if we had focused entirely today on these types of government experiments they've done into astral projection and um you know that side of things maybe i'd be edging closer to a yes uh unfortunately today we were focusing on smoking venom from a toad and a dude who got hit by a train so hard he went to another dimension uh we were talking about uh 1122 um peer-reviewed research studies uh witnesses saying they had gone to a place more real than this one on the precipice of death, but go off.

Some guy got hit by a train so hard, he woke up in the real world. You think this is the real world? This was the dream he had when he got hit by a train in Gargon 4. Yeah. So this is not real at all, this world that we're in right now?

No, it's the veil of Maya. It is an illusion, as described in Hindu scriptures and Buddhism, that this is simply an illusion keeping us in the cycle of samsara, in the continual cycle of death and rebirth that we ultimately have to break out of you know by smoking toad venom or getting hit by a train uh whatever whatever gets you off sure um so give me your ipad give me your ipad then if this isn't the real world give me i'll take the ipad this is because it's just a dream from a frog's brain right so give me your and i'll take the phone as well. If none of it means anything and I'll take the wallet and whatever cash you've got. But I'm, but I'm stuck in this world.

Yeah, but it's not. In this world, I kind of do need the phone. You could probably jump off a bridge and just give me all of your shit. Cause it's. Yeah. I'll see you in the next one, huh? But, uh, but I'm here. I'm here now.

Yeah. In a dream. Yeah. So what is dream money to you it's like disney bucks it doesn't mean anything yeah if you're uh performing musical theater as you would have done as a young man back in school while you're on stage you're not like kill me use the knife i wasn't a couple of them actually best play and sliced my throat because this is a f***ing play. This is a stage production.

It's all fake, don't you realize? Yeah, I played Lumiere in the stage production of Beauty and the Beast and Belle was like, wow, what a strange castle. I heard there's a scary monster

that lives indoors. And I'm like, cut my throat. This isn't real. God got a Lumiere Rory sorry you gotta just we know it's not real but it's like you're pretending to be a you're pretending to be like a candle that's come to life and it's kind of a whimsical place. We're just going to take it from the top here. Sorry, sorry. It's just every time you yell cut, it takes me out of it.

Yeah, you're taking everybody out of it. You're taking everybody out of it. Like going off script. All right, we're dilly-dallying here. It's a yes today from me. It's a no from me, straight up. You know, is that an indication possibly of who on the podcast has smoked venom from a reptile and who hasn't?

Is that an indication of whose third eye is open and whose third eye is glued shut? I think it is. All I'm saying is I think you might be eating a lot of humble pie when we come around to this astral projection episode. And you go on the record saying that all this shit is actually real. Possibly. But all I'm going to say is, sometimes it does some good to have a guy with his third eye closed.

Sometimes it's nice to have, if someone's driving the car, that they can see what's happening in this world. Sure. And not see intergalactic jesters doing front flips on the on the highways most of the time i use my third eye to just like text while i'm driving as well so like it's not even being put to good use you've got it's that's the fancy name for your apple watch yeah hey we managed to land the plane uh from wherever that plane was whether you call it the astral realm whether you call it

outside of samsara and the cycle of rebirth and death but we hope you enjoyed this investigation into out-of-body experiences and near-death experiences if you've had your own we would love to hear about it

hell yeah because as we say we're going to cover more of this stuff in future send it in to thisparanormallifepodcast at gmail.com. And if you want to hear some real paranormal stories, make sure to check out my new podcast,

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Oliver whoa don't fall over oh Oliver cracked his head oh boy he's gone to Oh, boy. He's gone to the Toad dimension. Yeah. Yeah.

Hang on, buddy. Let's try and make sure he has a safe kind of astral travel by playing. I'm going to play some music on my phone just while he's blacked out. Something nice. Like Metallica. I don't know. Oh, no. Maybe like baby nursery rhymes.

Those are kind of creepy. Baby dimension. He could end up in the baby dimension. Uh-oh. I'm just going to sing Sweet Caroline out of tune. That should kind of creepy. Baby dimension. He could end up in the baby dimension. Uh-oh. I'm just going to sing Sweet Caroline out of tune. That should do the job. Safe.

Thanks lastly today to Rebecca Jean Carroll. Come on down to Rebecca's jeans. We got big jeans, small jeans, jorts,

old jeans, new jeans. Very cool. Jean jackets as well. We only have DNA jeans. i'm afraid that's what i meant big jeans small jeans oh jesus christ you're gonna go you're gonna have to go down to the jean district if you want a jean jacket so you sell human genes i could make you i suppose i could make you a jacket out of human skin that would be dna please don't where is your boss rebecca is it

rebecca is sleeping right now she is wake her up she's knocked out she's in the toad dimension so thank you just a couple today we're back with more next week but thank you so much to rebecca thank you so much to everyone who supports us on patreon. We'll of course be back with more next Tuesday back on Patreon on Friday and later in the month with a bonus episode and back in the astral dimension whenever you want. Come say hello. Yeah, we'll be hanging out there.

Hanging out. We're doing an astral meet and greet. It's going to be really cool. So thank you for tuning in. We'll see you then. Bye bye.