This Paranormal Life - #353 The Ancient UFOs Hidden in Famous Paintings

Episode Date: February 6, 2024

Art has always documented human history. From 10,000 year old cave paintings to, I don't know - Banksy, visual art has depicted the world around us and its major events. In some ways it's evidence of these events, so what if it could also be evidence of the paranormal? In famous paintings from around the world there are hidden references to paranormal experiences, particularly aliens and UFOs. On this episode we peek behind the velvet rope of the Louvre after dark and shine a light on the most amazing depictions of UFOs in art history!Follow us on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTubeJoin our Secret Society Facebook CommunitySupport us on Patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife to get access to weekly bonus episodes!Buy Official TPL Merch! - thisparanormallife.com/storeIntro music by www.purple-planet.comEdited by Philip ShackladyResearch by Ewen Friers Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

What does music on an alien planet sound like? Rory drinks Monster, but has he tried Loch Ness Monster? Answers to these questions and more on this episode of This Paranormal Life! Welcome back to This Paranormal Life. This is the weekly comedy podcast where every Tuesday, me, Kit Grimmelvenna, this guy sitting across from me, Rory Pars each week we get into a brand new paranormal case and decide by the end of the episode whether it's truly paranormal or not how the hell are you doing today Rory?

doing fantastic, and two great questions right off the bat while we don't know what it sounds like George Lucas himself has confirmed that music from other planets is called j**s instead of jazz. That's right. Yeah, I forgot that. That's what he calls the music being played in the cantina.

Very early in an episode to say the J word. Maybe we'll beep that. Yeah, I think we just got dropped from YouTube, TikTok, just about everywhere. Thanks to that. Demonetized. Secondly, you know, you talked about me drinking Monster Energy drink. Yes, I'm drinking a red bull right now but we have been pretty caffeinated recently in the studio because listeners to the after party will know we recently got a coffee machine yeah we did yeah so if you're if you here we go here we go if you want three, go. If you've been wondering why we were so lethargic and boring for the last, I don't know, 300 episodes,

well, worry not, ladies and gentlemen. We're going to be go, go, go for the next 300 episodes. Hopefully, maybe 600. Let's go, go, go. Yeah, we got them. And, you know, we got a lot of free pods with the coffee maker. With varying degrees of intensity, we got intensity level 6, intensity level 8,

intensity level 12. It's really great that it doesn't go below 6, because that would be strange if it went below 6, because it would kind of seem like a defeated purpose of getting a coffee, because it would be like, well, why would I do that? I could just have a cup of tea if I didn't want to go above intensity level 6. And 6 was nothing. 6 did nothing to me. My morning cup now is 4 6s

in a bowl, and I kind of lap it up like a dog on all fours. So you're on a 24? I'm rocking the 24s. Yeah. I'm feeling good. Is it hot in here though? It is hot, right? What I'm trying to say, Rory, is I'm glad that you got the machine hooked up in the studio, into our veins for the first time, because it means that we can radically change the format of the show going forward. In the first time because it means that we can radically change the format of the show going forward in the past up to now the last six years slow down we've been doing no no even for me it's a little fast uh we've been doing a mere one case a week no more brothers and sisters we will be doing six today. Whoa! About seven minute kind of micro episodes each.

One after the other consecutive order will be coming down. And yes, no, yes, yes, no, no, no, no, yes, yes, yes. Is that true? Because I think one after another. And then that way we'll have completed all the paranormal cases in the universe, by my calculations, by my calculations, this summer. No more coffee for you. Oh, really? No more coffee for you. Oh, really?

No more coffee. That sounds like a terrible idea. We don't want to finish all the cases. Yeah, kids drinking more as we speak. It's actually empty. Oh, God, I'm going to have jeans.

Anyway. What I'm trying to say is we have a brand new paranormal case I'm excited to get into. Today, Rory, frankly, nothing to do with the stuff I talked about at the beginning,

but that's fine. Rory, today we're talking about art. Okay. Are you an art guy? Do you know much about art? Yeah, I love art. You know that. You know me. Rory, famously an art guy. He's always talking about it. When you think Rory, you think art. Yeah. You think sculptures. You think marble. You think... Right, right. Yeah, marble statue. Tiny penis covered by a leaf. No, no, no.

I think more like, you know, when you think of the greats, you think of Da Vinci, Michelangelo, Rory Powers. You know, it's kind of, they're all synonymous with creation. Are you a visual artist? I don't really remember that. I'm an audio artist. What was the last piece you made? We're making it right now. This episode is... I'm making it artist what was the last piece you made we're making it right now

this episode I'm making it I researched this case and presenting it so yeah you're you're the marble and I have to

I have to carve something good out of this heap of shit that's why I'm the artist and you're the slab okay so I'm the the beautiful virgin

virgin uncarved slab of marble and you're going to. Okay, so I'm the beautiful virgin, virgin, uncarved slab of marble and you're going to hack away and reveal the masterpiece within. Exactly. Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself. I walk in to see the finished piece of marble.

I'm like, you took me out of it completely. It's just a statue of you. That's right. We are talking about specifically visual art, you know, paintings,

things like that. You know, they, things like that. You know, they don't teach a lot about art at Paranormal Harvard, except for maybe the art of war. Yeah. So I'm pretty uneducated, but even better than having an art degree, I did need a minimum wage job in about 2017. So I did work in the Tate Modern Art Gallery. One of my favorite art galleries in the world and definitely in London. So, you know, whenever I got that job, I had to do a kind of social network style crunch montage

of learning a bunch of dead guys' names so I could fake like I knew what I was talking about when I worked there. Right, because people, you know, similar to a restaurant when they ask for a wine recommendation, people would go to Kit in the museum and say, hey, I only have 45 minutes. What should I see? What should I hit?

What are the big ones? The soup can. The what? That's what I always reply with. You ever seen the can of soup? Campbell's? Is it at Campbell's? Yeah, right.

Andy Warhol, isn't it? Hey, this guy is an art guy. This is me and the thing going, brother, you know more than I do. All I know is there's a big old can of soup on the second floor. Oh, no, I'm thinking of the painting of the... That's what I mean.

Soup. Oh. The big old painting of the can of soup. Yeah. Is it? By Andy Warhol. Yeah, it is. Okay, okay.

But you're right, people would come to me asking for recommendations and asking even my opinions because people come along and you know I have sympathy

maybe they're the Rory Powers of their friend circle they got no one they're such a genius about art and they have no one to talk to about it so these people

come into the gallery and they see me walking along well they have friends sorry you made it sound like the Rory Powers of the group doesn't have friends so he goes to museums

by himself no no no they just they're friends but they they don't have friends that they could like talk to about art okay yeah i'll take that yeah they're not alone yeah because i have friends that's what i'm saying and if i if they well most of these guys were alone actually which is but if they didn't want to be they could be with you came here alone today right well yeah so sometimes you're alone it's work

I'm not gonna come with someone else you know that'd be weird yeah I went home alone spent the night alone

woke up alone and you do live alone yeah well yeah a guy's gotta have a little space

you know interesting you know you know who else was alone go on Da Vinci I don't know who he was.

Or who's the guy who cut off his ear? A complete, wow, I just got real cultural whiplash. Vincent Alone. That's what they called him to his friends. Vincent Van Gogh. That was definitely a different person. Look, the point is that completely against my will, I now know a tiny bit about art

and unfortunately like it on some level. Art is basically the meaning of life, Rory, and also its history. And through studying it, we can tell about the history of the world and of mankind. From 50,000-year-old cave paintings in Spain of men and women hunting animals to the Renaissance and Caravaggio painting of Jesus being placed in his tomb, to Rory's disturbing childhood drawings of hedgehogs with chiseled ab muscles. We know what was going on in the past thanks to art. It's true. It's true. The original photograph.

So Rory, that made me think. What if buried in the history of art is a secret history of the paranormal too. Hello. What if we can find clues to the world's most paranormal events and creatures hidden in paintings and works of art just because that's what was happening at the time? I love this already. This is very Da Vinci Code level investigation. Yes.

Looking at ancient paintings and trying to decipher hidden messages or little secrets that have been buried there i am into this right just in the way that uh michelangelo whenever he was painting this is dean the chat i'll stop now sistine chapel he you know supposedly you know he shows what is it who is it touching i think i'm touching god i don't i don't touch in fingies with god yeah and kind of I think. Adam touching fingies with God. Yeah. And kind of receiving the spark of life and whatever.

You know, the story goes that like Michelangelo didn't even actually believe in God. So his big like Banksy statement to the church was he made it, he made God. God's in like a clamshell or something, isn't he? And if you look at the image of like what God's sitting in, it looks amazingly like a clamshell or something isn't he and if you look at the image of like what god's sitting in it looks amazingly like a human brain and so it's like was he saying that like man invented god in his mind oh that's i have never heard that one before so there's a secret code of the artist were they trying to tell us through the pieces through the ages what was really going on that god is a merman okay might cut that

I'm on to you god I understand this is a bold claim and it's one we're going to blow wide open it's a bold claim by the sounds of it

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patreon.com forward slash This Paranormal Life is available ad-free over at patreon.com forward slash thisparanormallife. Rory, picture this scene. You're strolling through Florence, Italy, a contender for the single most important city on earth for artistic masterpieces, whether it's the Galleria dell'Accademia, whether it's Michelangelo's David or the famous Uffizi Gallery, housing works by Da Vinci, Caravaggio and Raphael. But amongst these masterpieces, there's one that is very interesting. If you go to the Palazzo Vecchio, up on its second floor, there is a painting called Madonna and Child with the infant Saint John.

Hmm, okay. A painting that has confused and caused debate for years because of what is depicted. To make things even more mysterious, no one knows who painted it or where it came from. Oh, that's cool. Now, we'll say there are theories and good bets on who it might have been, but they don't know for sure. Rory, check this one out. Okay, very classic-looking, old-timey picture here.

We've got a woman in a robe, hands together, bowing down, almost praying over a little baby that is worryingly ripped. This baby is jacked. Worryingly or satisfyingly ripped? This baby has pecs, a six-pack, biceps. Very strange. I showed this to my daughter, Cora, and was like, where you been?

Where you been? It's a new year, new you, Cora. I don't care if you're two years old. You need to get in the gym. Look at this baby. This baby lived 500 years ago, and it was jacked as all hell. They didn't even have whey protein back then. The baby's being helped by another small baby with a halo on top.

It looks like they're almost on some kind of boat or something. But yes, this is a somewhat typical and familiar Renaissance religious scene. It's the Madonna and the baby. It's Jesus and Mary. Right, I see. I will say. Yeah. Might be getting ahead of ourselves a little bit.

Some pretty weird shit going on in the background. Okay, okay. So we're cooking already. Rory is a keen paranormal investigator and his eyes have already been drawn. Now I'm assuming you have some sort of explanation for the objects that are in the sky behind Mary. There are cyborgs. Bender from Futurama is in the background.

Very strange. Well, why don't you describe what you're seeing as a kind of firsthand witness? Well, it's hard to tell because this is a photograph of a painting. What is like an artifact? Yeah. And what is part of the painting like are these smudges is it a little hole or a nick or is it actually paint um on one side of her it's a ufo oh it is an alien craft by the looks of things floating in the sky a cigar shaped dark object just over her shoulder directly behind her is a much larger darker blob that seems to be some sort of distant spacecraft floating in the sky and then to the left is what can only be described as a small army of jellyfish raining down from the clouds

well i can't say i'm not delighted with your interpretation of it because i thought you know i come into these not knowing how much i'm going to have to fight you to kind of see what's going on the image rory but i'm actually glad you point because i'm going to hone in on one of these but i'm actually glad you brought up a couple of the other things because the thing is you got to remember this is a religious image. This is not a photographic interpretation of what was going on one day. Hence, the baby with a halo. This is some kind of angel. Also the baby that looks like Hugh Jackman.

Right. I don't want you to say this isn't accurate. Wolverine era Hugh Jackman. Not the greatest showman. God, no. What I'm saying is we do, of course, have to be prepped that we shouldn't expect the completely literal in these images. We should expect some kind of imagery going on.

And yet, I do want to draw your attention to the UFO. Yeah, sure. Because it is, even within these kind of religious symbols going on, it feels out of place. If you want to see this image, the painting is called madonna and child with the infant saint john uh if you want to see this you can check it out there or why not head over to youtube.com search this paranormal life where you can watch this in beautiful high

definition uh all our episodes are up on youtube these days and it's a great way of us sharing these images with you so you can check this out for yourself. But for the sake of most people who are just listening to this, actually, I thought this was cool. I didn't get this right away. Your eyes are drawn to the UFO. Actually, to drive it home, there is a shepherd and a dog.

Oh my God. And he's like squinting, hand over, shielding his eyes from the sun, looking up at the UFO on the hill. That is weird. It's funny because you did point out how out of place this looks amongst all the religious iconography. And you are right.

If there even was something, they were going to put something in the sky, it would be an olive branch. It would be a dove. It would be, you know, some kind of religious symbolism we see all the time. That is a black orb. If we want to get dramatic, maybe a burning bush, but this is really. And wait till you see, Roy, I have a close-up, which is quite satisfying. Like, there's little guys in there.

Shut up. That is not, that can't be a close-up. It is. It is a close-up. No way. All right, this isn't an artifact because it's glowing. They drew little glow lines on it, and there's orbs coming out of the orb. There's like circular windows on the craft.

That's so f***ed up. There's like portholes on a UFO with glow lines from a 500-year-old painting. I don't know what to say about this. I didn't realize we were going to be doing this today. So it's no surprise this painting has drawn so much attention. It's just this object is so similar to modern depictions of UFOs, UAPs, flying saucers, and hundreds of years before any flying machine, let alone the concept of a UFO. This painting is actually commonly referred to because of this stuff as Madonna of the UFO.

Wow. So if you search that online, you'll also find it. Rory, the terrifying thing of this kind of bombshell start to our paranormal investigation is this is only the beginning. I have more groundbreaking images to show you. Well, that's one hell of a start, let me tell you. I should say, of course, the MIBs have their explanations and their excuses for what's going on here. Art historians have explained this image away,

claiming that the shape is some kind of religious icon or, get this, an unfinished angel. Oh, yeah, sure, bud. But paranormal believers say F that. It's too similar. And I guess I should say the quiet bit out loud, Oh, yeah, sure, bud. But paranormal believers say F that. It's too similar. And I guess I should say the quiet bit out loud, which is, of course, what we're referring to here. If you're new to this paranormal life or you're new to discussing UFOs,

this general idea is ancient alien theory. The idea that UFOs, of course, entered the zeitgeist in the 50s and 60s with places like Roswell. But actually, paintings like this suggest, what if they've been coming for hundreds of years or even thousands of years? Yeah, you know, a lot of crazy theories out there by a lot of different people. You know, people say that aliens built the pyramids, which I personally think is nonsense. But when we're talking about aliens visiting Earth at some point in the past, not only do we have to consider the fact

that that did happen at some point, but also, did the past happen in the past? You think time is a straight line? What if aliens appearing in the past happens in the future? Yeah. You know? Let's get crazy here.

Give me a couple more sixes. Fire up that coffee machine. I want five more sixes. We can't have you on a 48 right now. I need to be on the level. I need to be on the level. Let him cook.

Me cook? Bon appetit, brother. The thought is fully formed. We've eaten already. We've eaten the meal that's it okay you know we all ate uh you know what if we're getting crazy here what if what if what if aliens going to that event that exists in the painting is something that happens in their path in their future i've said this before i don't understand how time works all right all i know

right is i read go into your local if you haven't read it before go into your local book purveyor go on audible.com and uh and read carlo ravelli the physicist his books he has some great short digestible best-selling books about physics and he has at least one on the nature of time all i know is this guy's a brainiac yeah a world-renowned physicist and i'm pretty sure page one of the book on time is like time don't exist right and time and he's like time it's a human concept and if it does exist it goes forwards backwards up down left right loop the loop yeah and he's kind of like the more i study study, to be honest, brother, the less I know. So he explains a lot of ways in which it can be manipulated, in which it is an illusion. And I don't know if that makes any sense to what you've said, but I'm here for it.

Yeah, that's enough to just blow anyone's mind. How about instead of going forward or back in time, you go left? There you go. That's enough. I'm sure the listener is going to think that I've completely cocked up paraphrasing Carlo Rovelli. But here I've just looked up an actual quote from him to give you an idea of how little me and Rory understand time. This expert physicist, he says in one of his books, he says, quote, If I ask whether two events, one on Earth and another on a different planet, are happening at the same moment, the answer would be the question doesn't make sense. There's no such thing as the same moment definable in the universe.

The present of the universe is meaningless. That's beautiful. He also said we inhabit time as fish live in water. That one's weirder. So what we have learned is studying time makes you lose your mind. Yeah. So we won't think about it any further. I think it's about time we move on to image number dos.

Our next painting dates from around the same time as Madonna dell'UFO. It was painted by Carlo Crivelli. Wow, very close to Carlo Rivelli, in Italy as well. In this one, the Annunciation with Saint Emidius. Mary, she's back again, is said to be receiving the message from the angel Gabriel

that she will give birth to the Christian Messiah. The only issue is, she seems to be receiving the message from a laser beam shot directly into her brain from an extraterrestrial craft okay that's pretty bad the annunciation of saint emidius i'm starting to think emidius was the name of the craft that came from proxima b okay this is what do you want me to say man we'll describe it for the good people at home all right look look

look this one it's kind of a a shot of a city you see an alleyway you see a building some rooftops uh but we crucially see inside the buildings and inside one of them we have uh what's her name amidius kneeling down on the ground uh of her house, looking like she's reading presumably the Bible. But yes, as Kit pointed out, there is a yellow laser beam shooting down from the clouds through the wall and into her skull. Yeah. I will say, you know, because the first picture, the problem that we had with it was that it didn't, it was trying to convey a message that wasn't using religious iconography. This picture, really using religious iconography. The laser beam itself.

Oh yes, laser beams. Famously, Jesus had a plasma cannon that he would blast the heretics with. He was basically the first Jedi, Jesus. What I will say, this quote-unquote laser beam does look like a sunbeam coming down from heaven. That is real specific religious iconography. Halfway through, it becomes... When have you seen a sunbeam the diameter of a laser beam?

Okay, well, this isn't a real event. Also, let me just double check. Is the beam coming from the sun, Rory? Or is the beam coming from a saucer-shaped object? You're jumping ahead here. It is coming down from a swarm of clouds. Yeah, I will concede

it was precisely between the shapes of a swirl of clouds and a saucer. It was precisely between the shapes of a swirl of clouds and a saucer. It is saucer-like, but also interpretable as clouds. And the beam of light, even as it travels down, slowly becomes a white dove as it approaches her. Sure. So the beam actually, if you look, isn't even hitting her.

It's becoming the dove as it floats down. actually if you look isn't even hitting her it's becoming the dove as it floats down so this one a little less i would say specifically paranormal but what i will say is as we know kit when we've researched these kind of old paranormal events from the past what people do is when they're trying to depict them they're using their own frame of reference. That's right. So let's just say we are talking about a very, very enthusiastic Christian demographic. If they do see a UFO in the sky, that's God. That's an angel. That's what that is. So I wouldn't be surprised why it would be depicted in this way, in this painting. in this way in this painting. This kind of thing is exciting, enticing to me, because now we're getting into the real stuff, which is, okay, we see one where it's undeniably a flying saucer,

and then we see another where there's something else in the sky. But yes, this time it's projecting the grace of God or some kind of divine knowledge into mary via arguably laser beam and then you start to wonder oh shit is it one in the same we're going we're going from ancient alien theory to alien jesus theory which is that many of or some of, the Abrahamic religious events as described in the Bible and worshipped for thousands of years may have underpinnings in paranormal events. Sure. That, not saying that Jesus was an alien, but what if Jesus came along and Christianity existed, but then, like you say, like we saw in the Portuguese Our Lady Fatima episode. Yes. When something else happened that was paranormal, it was interpreted through the lens of Christianity.

Exactly. That being said. Go on. One of the people just walking on the street here has bird wings on their back. So this is already a pretty artistic interpretation. You know, I don't think we could take this as fact. And I also thought at the bottom of the picture, there was a dildo on the floor.

Well, there wasn't. So I don't want you putting that in people's minds. You tell me, brother. That looks pretty suspicious to me. That's a courgette or a squash. It is weird that it's there. There's no real reference point. But that definitely had some other meaning.

Okay, moving on. The dildo? Yes. All right, okay. I think the dildo is in the Annunciation of St. Chlamydius. Oh, shit. Hey.

Let's pay some bills. Okay, we've got to move on to our next image, it seems, because because i'm losing rory but that was to be expected as we go through the ups and downs of this case next up is the livre de bonmer a 15th century french manuscript on etiquette and manners but the artist jacques legrand left readers confused and astonished by one particular illustration. On sheet 129, there's an image of the goddess of fortune and her spinning wheel. But again, it's the background that we're interested in,

because hovering above is what can only be described as a medieval death star. What? And again, even more dramatically this time, there are peasants on the hill reacting in fear. Whoa! All right. I was just about to have a go at all of these artists for being too cowardly to just depict the UFOs instead of hiding them in the distance and in the shadows. This mother f***er hid nothing. It is the centerpiece of this painting.

Yeah. There is a giantpiece of this painting. Yeah. There is a giant golden goblet floating in the sky, you know, reminiscent of some sort of a holy hand grenade. It is pretty ominous looking. And yeah, there is kind of gold glowing light beams in the sky with a bunch of dudes on a hilltop kind of looking at it in fear and suspense. That is a weird one. I really don't know what's going on in this painting. Because it's gold, sort of interpret it as metal, but it could just be shining or something. But it definitely, to our modern eye, it's giving metal objects, metal sphere in the sky.

Now, is there a rational explanation by art historians about what this could be that isn't a ufo allegedly the savvy art historian explanation for such things is that the sphere represents the world itself what and they kind of say what planet are they on then yeah i mean in no world is that a world. It's got intricate carvings and markings. There's nothing to indicate that that is supposed to be. I mean, maybe very symbolically, you know, figuratively, it's a globe, of course. But why all the carvings?

Why are people looking at it and scared of it? Why is there other shining things in the sky? It's made of solid gold by the looks of it if that's a planet i want to find it what do you i think it is cool what do you think about this trend of there being people reacting to this background information yeah well it gives you a bit of context that whatever this thing is in the painting it ain't normal even in this time people are surprised yeah it's not like they're like oh yes uh yeah the glowing orb that is in the sky and it has been with us since the dawn of time even in the 1200s people in the paintings are like what the f**k is that i understand we're applying like a modern viewpoint but it's like doesn't this just feel

like if you were an artist hundreds of years ago doesn't this just feel logical that by they're using background information to explain what's happening and provide context to what's happening in the foreground yeah so in the images that show the birth of the messiah this supernatural crazy thing that's happened oh well what do you know in the background there's a ship and there's a shepherd like yo what's going on with that ship and then in this one we have a goddess of fortune another supernatural entity that either teaches or represents some kind of supernatural thing this being and then in the background people running in fear from this thing in the sky.

Are they trying to say the thing came down, the people were scared, the goddess came out? Listen, you really think the three wise men followed a star? They followed a glowing object moving through the sky at terminal velocity, making zero sound. I don't have to be a genius to tell you what that is and it ain't a star i actually never thought about that it's pretty badass they took them there let him cook keep let keep providing him vegetables and meats and fire because he needs to keep cooking this is why

we shouldn't podcast together because i'm saying the dumbest shit and you're like yes yes keep going keep going okay well the good news is what if we can't eat dog food like it's fine for humans okay I think it is technically all right we're gonna sorry we're gonna load up a few decaf pods okay into this uh machine over here yeah I think it's the coffee that's cooking my brain. We are going to have a couple of words from our sponsors before we get into a couple of brain-melting f***ing images.

And a couple of cups. A couple of cups of Joe. Decaf, of course. Of course. Of course. With a little sick slit in there. Let's pay some bills. Okay, we're back

and talking about basically just the end of reality as we know it. The reality of ancient aliens as depicted in art throughout the years. Right, next up. Rory, all the artworks we've looked at up until now show just one UFO. You ready for the invasion? Oh, that's never a good question to ask. This is an altarpiece in a church called the Miracle

of the Snow. It's quite funny. Okay. Alright. I can see why Kit would show me this picture. Look, it is a lot of people in a town, all gathered around in a circle. One

dude is sweeping what looks like a patch of snow on the ground, white. And above them is, it looks like Mary and Joseph, I assume? Is a guy and a gal? Who is that supposed to be? Yeah, probably. Probably. Up in the clouds, looking down upon them.

But crucially, below the clouds there are things falling out of the sky. They are cylindrical. are long they are shaped like cigars there are many of them i assume what the artist was trying to portray here was the falling of snow which i don't know maybe when this was painted they assumed it was parts of clouds coming down from the sky uh so they have kind of instead of as we all know snow comes from the freezing of water droplets coming from the sky that's why they're little

flakes this person seems to think like the cloud breaks into smaller clouds and smaller clouds until it becomes snow on the ground so it basically does become clouds clouds clouds clouds all the way down it looks like like aliens. It looks like a scene from Independence Day. This is crazy. Because they are, to be clear, lined up in a formation in the sky. Yeah. And Mary and Joseph, it's almost as if that's the craft that's closest to us and they are the pilots of it.

Well, okay now. I don't think we could say that. If we're saying that they are crafts, you're not but i'm saying if they were craft it's almost as if we're saying these two are in the sky piloting because why else are they in the sky call this one mary because it's the mothership heaven that's why they're in the sky i believe right isn't that sure they're they're in a halo-esque orb yeah no i and i will say it's not this one is not cut and dry but it is i think it's a it's an interesting one to compare to the others and i will give it to you that the ones in the distance

look most like flying saucers but then the perspective that we gain here is that Mary and Joseph are atop the cloud that's closest to us. And we can see that it really is. It's kind of cloud, fluffy and on top. So it probably is. They're probably clouds. A cloud. Now, worryingly, Rory, there's actually a woman in the crowd in this one who's missing a head. Oh, that is strange.

It looks like something's gone on there, though. There's a smudge or it's been erased or replaced or something. You're right, Rory. It looks like it has been altered somehow, potentially to remove evidence. That's why I scanned this one personally into Photoshop and digitally altered the image

to try and recreate what might have been there before. I already hate what you're going to show me. All right, Kit drew an alien head on top of the actual head. What if the MIBs have got to this photo, got to this painting before we could? I think after five years, this is a low point for evidence. All right, let's move on. You need to upload that picture so people can see what you just showed me. Things are only ramping up because if the miracle of the snow showed the

alien invasion, our next image shows us the pilots themselves in damn near perfect detail. This is the Visor de Cani Fresco, an almost 700-year-old painting in Kosovo. Here we can see the overall image. Yep. There are crafts in the sky. Yeah, there's objects. Yeah, that one's weird, to be fair. There's no way that's what that looks like.

That is, look. That's a low-rise image, but you can see the person is there. All right, this is pretty weird. It is a guy looking like he's flying through the sky in a spiky comet. Yeah, you could argue that he's in a cockpit. There's like a cubby inside the quote-unquote comet. In the world of religious renaissance artwork you should never hurt hear the word cockpit one thing i want to bring up i think it actually has a

remarkable resemblance to the sputnik the russian uh satellites that went into space yeah sure come on what what is the conclusion from that that's a russian satellite that's a russian cosmonaut who went hit a wormhole and went back in time no but i'm just saying that it looks more like an existing spacecraft yeah than a comet i mean the dude inside the comet looks like a protagonist from the anime series attack on titan so you know i don't know if we can draw too many conclusions from the look of the thing i mean not being a dickhead not trying to argue a very strong case here i i wouldn't want to be an art historian trying to explain that one oh yeah all of a sudden those art historians they're wearing sunglasses and a full suit suddenly you're you're like hey what's this one they just reach in the

pocket they take out a little earpiece for the reason they're like let me just i just need to ah yes i can think clearly now um those are of course the wise men they are now flying they can fly now leaving the spacecraft behind for a moment we'll continue on the theme of these pilots themselves next up is a painting of saint augustine from 1475 and showing something pretty terrifying the church claims that this image is supposed to be the devil but ufo experts argue could this be an early alien encounter? Whoa! When was this painted? I think a similar sort of a time.

Listen, I will not be able to describe to you in full detail what is going on here because this is an insane painting. We got a religious guy. St. Augustine. St. Augustine. St. Augustine on the left, fully kitted out, the robe, the book, the scepter, the big hat, looking like a noble, righteous guy. To his right, trying to grab the book out of his hands, is a six-foot-t tall green imp man with a crooked nose fanged teeth horns and the most crucial thing that i have to point out is his asshole is also a mouth he has two eyes on his butt cheeks

and his butthole has teeth so he's kind of a Seymour Butts. His tail is the nose. Yeah, and there's a whole face down there. You know, I can see why people would think that this is an alien or a creature from another planet. Fortunately, though, again, we are seeing more of the religious iconography than the paranormal, an alien iconography. You know, this thing has hooves. This thing has horns i thought the the the devil was more of a red thing but maybe that's like coca-cola getting

involved with santa maybe the og was green i don't know uh but that's a pretty terrifying right the devil got a brand deal about 100 years ago to make him red yeah you know again this is more of a punning pun intended devil's advocate type argument of these devil images we've maybe become a little familiar with over the over our our modern lifetimes we've seen these kinds of images roughly images of demons images of devils and it just makes us wonder i suppose where did they come from and what is the similarity or comparison between greys and these demons there are similarities the skinny whiffishly thin gray uh slimy limbs and skin the the big head, the big eyes, and other kind of disgusting things like a mouth for a butt. You know, it does make you wonder.

You go, you know, I don't know. There's probably someone out there who would argue like, you know, that this is what's happened. As the world has become less religious, we've just replaced that iconography with modern iconography. We've replaced the idea of demons and the devil with aliens. Is that true? Is that true is that true because alien you know let's move on because you don't agree i'm worried i might have lost you on that one well let me reel you right back in again

this is potentially the best yet okay 1710 the baptism of christ this is by one of rembrandt students the dutch art de gelder how do you explain this one to the listeners sorry it took me a second to figure out what you would have a problem with here because because it's actually just a beautiful painting of uh you know baptism taking place up in the mountains very dark dark, very gloomy. A lot of people watching. There are sunbeams from heaven. And the sunbeams are coming from a craft. They are coming from a rectangular craft.

There are tractor beams coming from heaven. Okay. I'm starting to see why this is happening quite a lot in these depictions. Because I assume what they're trying to do is like the heavens opening up and the sun raining down unfortunately the sun raining down looks a lot like a tractor beam and the opening in the clouds does often look like a craft unfortunately uh i thought i knew pretty much all of the the bible stories the canon ones you know start to finish but uh i don't remember jesus getting baptized there is no sun in this image. You're claiming that clouds are parting and that sunbeams are coming down.

This is just a saucer in the sky and there is just four beams coming down, illuminated. I mean, again, you know, this is what's fascinating to us. Like, I really hadn't thought about this that much, right? That as part of, like, ancient religious iconography is that Cloud's part, beams come down and illuminate a person, a believer. But in the paranormal world, a saucer appears,

a cloud's part, a saucer appears, and tractor beams come out. Like this is literally out of every B-movie sci-fi ever. Yeah. That tractor beams come down to lift a person up. All right. Well, devil's advocate here. If it's a UFO craft with tractor beams coming down, why?

Are they trying to abduct Jesus? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Jesus? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Jesus was baptized, wasn't he? That's what I'm wondering. I don't remember. Yeah, I think he was.

It seems like kind of a pointless thing to do. They're like, hey, man, you got to get baptized. You won't be in the church. He's like, do you know who my dad is? Yeah. John the Baptist. That's how you got the name. That's how you get that gamer tag.

Wow. Is by baptizing jesus himself holy shit john the baptist was actually his cousin as well and i assume not in the kind of modern way that you call anyone cousin right literally cousin for me for me you gotta baptize me cousin we got orders we got orders We got one communal bread One tiny bit of wine Behind Behind Come on cousin Cousin

Cousin how many fish and how many loaves of bread do we have for service today? So we got We got one loaf of bread Are you f***ing kidding me? We got 5,000 people coming today Keep breaking it up Keep breaking it up and handing it out jesus just chain smoking oh god we gotta do that sketch video behind if the feeding of the 5 000 was in the bear just like oh, all the orders coming in.

It's like, oh, you zoom in, Bradfish, Bradfish. Jesus is just looking at all the orders of bread and fish coming in, smoking. All you hear is... And he's like, someone get me some holy water. And he's like, someone get me some holy water. Okay, you may be glad to know, Rory, we're at the end. Okay. Because I know you're feeling a little bombarded and probably a little confused because you were sort of bought in at the beginning with some pretty hard-hitting shit. And then, you know, we got a little lost along the way.

But I believe, I really believe I can rein you back in. Controversially, I think I can rein you back in with something you may have seen before. In fact, you have seen before. All right, all right. I didn't want to round out this episode without revisiting an absolute classic TPL episode and one that is incredibly relevant to this investigation. Let's see how many of the commune remember this one. In Japan in the 1800s, inside the pages of an obscure archive of shipwrecks, we had the Utsurobune. The pages show

a strange craft said to have washed ashore in Hitachi province in 1803. Covered in unknown symbols and made from unrecognizable materials, it's said the craft contained a mysterious woman. We have heard this story before. Didn't we cover this before? It was a full episode, yeah. Yeah, that's right. Way, way, way, way, way back. The account stated that this woman from inside the craft wore odd clothing and spoke a bizarre language. Utsuro Bune translates to hollow boat. And UFO experts suggest that this may be evidence of a historic extraterrestrial crash landing. Let me jog your memory, Rory, of what that f***ing 1800s manuscript looked like. Can't wait to see this. Wow.

I mean, put all that other shit aside. This is what we were looking for. This is an old-timey, Japanese is it, did you say? Japanese painting of a UFO. And these guys weren't f***ing around when they were painting this thing. No. There are gas vents on the side. Golden panels that look like solar panels, but in the 1800s.

Yeah, a woman wearing very modern clothes by the look of it. And yeah, you can even see the underpaneling of the craft. It looks like metal strips. Yeah, they're not messing around here. You know, several kind of detailed patterns. It's almost like corrugated iron there. And hard to describe, but just unmistakably, unmistakably, a flying saucer 200 years before they would become popular.

Yeah. Or ever seen, really. Yeah, I believe this episode when we investigated it was a double no. But. Is that true true i think so rory is right i've checked the record and that episode was a double no um i don't know why i don't know what else we packaged into it because on the face of it this feels like an instant yes it's pretty telling if by investigating it for three minutes, it's a double yes. But when you do a 45-minute episode on it, it was quite clearly a double no.

Yeah, really hoping I would have come down on a yes, at least to fight the good fight and claim that I believed in that one at the time. Starting to see why Kit decided this episode should be only five minutes spent on every single case and no more. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, Rorik.

We have looked at some insane images today and I would say that this only covers a fraction of what is out there. And even so, we did cover a range of styles. I did want to include that one at the end because I've realized that, of course, we did focus a lot on Renaissance imagery for the first bit. And so I want to get in a couple of others in there

and pretty telling, actually, that the most obscure and the most distant to us, this Japanese one from a manuscript, was the most compelling single image of a UFO in history, arguably. Maybe debatable whether it beats the first one that I showed you. Yeah, that one was really good. You started strong. But the cool thing is, because it spans hundreds and hundreds of years

and across countries and across artistic styles. This isn't a trend. This isn't like, oh, back in the day, these three artists, they like to draw angels like this and that's why it exists. No, we're seeing it across different styles, which makes it that much more interesting. Rory, what are you thinking today? I think it's very cool, the range that we have here. You know, as you said, artwork that isn't just from one time period,

spanning multiple periods of art and art history, and even countries, throwing in the Japanese piece at the end there. As you said, yeah, it's very cool to see whatever this thing is, whether it is an object in the sky or light coming down from the heavens very cool to see it depicted in so many ways also as we said very tough to know whether or not these people were seeing something strange and paranormal and perceiving it as light from the heaven coming down or if they were seeing not not light from the heaven but light from the engine room of a Boeing 7037 from the year 20256812. So it's a little confusing today. The problem is, seems like art historians have pretty reasonable explanations for a lot of what we saw in these paintings.

Not true. Absolutely not true. One of them they said was an unfinished angel. Then they said the Death Star was Earth. Right. Not sure why they would have depicted

Earth in an image taking place on Earth to begin with. But I don't know how much old timey art you've seen. That shit is wild. It is bonkers.

I will give you that. I will give you that. They show a that they show a lot even a lot of mad shit yeah even like medieval art if you look at some of that stuff it doesn't even make any sense they're pulling from like fairy tales and poems and legends and stories and mashing it all together and some of the paintings are so abstract and weird it's very hard to figure out what is going on didn't you see the solar panels? The gas vents and the solar panels? You're showing me

the Japanese one again. Yeah. That one is very strange. And the portholes on the first one. The windows. I have to trust past Rory in the fact that

there was probably a reason why we did give that one a double no. An ancient painting really isn't enough to... I disagree with myself from the past. I was wrong.

I don't care. I don't care. I don't care if you're listening to this if you listen to that episode yesterday and now you're listening to this one today that person was an idiot what age was i even when i when i did that my brain probably wasn't fully formed i certainly hadn't had 16 espressos from our fantastic new espresso machine it is great so i So I'm thinking in a higher gear now, which leads me to believe this is real. At the end of every episode, we do have to come down on a hard and fast decision on whether, just like with the Utsuro Bune back in the day,

whether our present paranormal case is paranormal or not. I think the question today, Rory, is. I won't even say have artists in the past. Just ask the question, man. Have they? No. No. I won't even, no, I'm actually throwing you a bone here. Okay.

To make your life easier. Okay, thank you. I'm not saying have artists in the past ever depicted the paranormal. That's too broad, and I actually don't want to rule out uh doing this again this would actually be fun as let's say another bonus episode to find another amazing roster of unexplainable images and do it all again could be photographs next time what i will ask you is uh do you think the artists depicted today to you have captured the paranormal that would make it a yes what do you mean have what have the artist today that we've looked at are these paranormal things going on these uh

in the painting that showed you do i think these events transpired in real life and they're depicting them in the in the paintings yeah why what would you be answering well you could just say like is that a painting of a ufo it's like well it could be but whether that's whether or not that did take place in the past yeah well if if if it was a painting of a ufo then aliens are real and it is paranormal you don't know that no we do one dude painted the devil trying to steal a book that doesn't mean he's real and that happened. A little imp man with a talking butthole? Yeah, that's why I said it the way I said it.

Which is, do you think a paranormal thing happened and these people painted it? It's a no. It's a no. Yo, so why are you arguing me if it's going to be a no all along? And I say, yes, for me. Because that is. Because that is. And if you're listening at home right now, if you're listening at home right now,

if you're listening at home, because, listen, Rory has established himself in 2024 to be a coward, right? With the Florence UFO. He's established himself to be a coward. He has. And if you are sitting at home and you're thinking,

Kit, you've lost the plot. Kit, it's happened again. Kit shaved his head and lost the plot again. You're right. Go to YouTube. Well, or you could Google it, but go to YouTube.com. Search for this paranormal life. Check out the full video of this and look at this UFO.

Look at this Japanese UFO and then look me in the eyes and tell me this is a no. I'm staring at the camera right now. You'd look at it. Zoom in right now and tell me that's not a UFO. Is that the one that's, that's the one for you that's pushing you over the edge? That or the first one. The first or the last one.

Because I started strong, ended strong. Okay. Look me in the eye and tell me those aren't UFOs. Okay. Okay. But I still think a pretty electrifying case, one that probably will divide people because UFOs, as we've seen this year, are divisive.

Wow. And I think worth looking into. I can't wait to next time I'm in a gallery. Roy, I was actually thinking that. Do we need a travel show where we comb the world's art galleries looking for ancient paranormal evidence? Well, some of these sound like they were in France, right? At least one? No, all Italy, pretty much.

Kind of. All the Renaissance stuff. Why? Because we have been talking about the goals, the plans for the new year, one of which would include a trip to the Paris catacombs to film something there. But I thought if there was any of these paintings that were in French art museums, could swing by. Oh, hold on.

Where is it? Where is it? There's one that is French. Come on. Let me see if it's in France. Come on. And it is in California or something. And it is not on display.

So that's good. Fantastic. Italy we go. Guys, I hope you've enjoyed this episode looking all through our history to find evidence

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