This Paranormal Life - #361 Muckie - Ireland’s Loch Ness Monster

Episode Date: April 1, 2024

In 2017 global history was made when two, apparently pre-pubescent (judging by their voices), 25 year old investigators known as Kit and Rory deemed the Loch Ness Monster to be a real paranormal cryptid, giving it a double yes in their investigation. But there was a problem - how could Nessie be the only sea serpent in the British Isles when Kit and Rory grew up only around 200 miles away (as the crow flies) from Loch Ness? There are countless lakes, some larger and deeper than Loch Ness, dotted around Britain and Ireland. Well it turns out that Ireland has more than its fair share of aquatic legends. Perhaps the most famous of all is Muckie, a beast incredibly similar to Nessie and has been spotted on and off for decades in Killarney National Park. To find it will require tenacity, grit, and a not insubstantial amount of dynamite. Time for Rory and Kit to investigate.Follow us on Twitter, Instagram, and YouTubeJoin our Secret Society Facebook CommunitySupport us on Patreon.com/ThisParanormalLife to get access to weekly bonus episodes!Buy Official TPL Merch! - thisparanormallife.com/storeIntro music by www.purple-planet.comEdited by Philip ShackladyResearch by Ewen Friers Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Do dinosaurs still roam hidden parts of the earth? Why do dogs smell like that when they're wet? Answers to these questions and more on this episode of This Paranormal Life! Hello and welcome back to This Paranormal Life, the weekly comedy podcast where every Tuesday you're joined by me, Kicker Movena, this guy sitting across from me, Mr. Rory Powers. Hey! And we dive into a different paranormal case, deciding by the end of the episode whether it's real or not.

Rory, how are you doing today? Great. Big questions right off the bat. What did you say? Do dinosaurs still live inside of the Earth? Whoa! Well, sorry, you've been eating edibles or something? I said, are they just on Earth, full stop, somewhere hidden? You're saying inside the Earth, which I do like. If they got to go somewhere, you know, if I looked up at the sky and saw a giant meteorite coming straight at me, I'd go downstairs.

I'd go in a hole. That's where I'd go. Into the earth, into the ground. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what the closest is we've investigated to downstairs. Probably recently, the Paris Catacombs, those went pretty far down. Yeah, I think if the meteorite was coming and I saw it, I'd be like one of those birds that just buries its head in the sand. Its body is still completely visible, but I think I'm safe.

There's a lot to be said for that. There really is the feeling of safety before inevitable destruction. Secondly, why do dogs smell like that? I don't know. I've never had a dog before, so I don't know specifically what smell you're talking about. Count your lucky stars, bro, because you so much as get a sprinkling of Evian near a dog,

and it's like you unleashed a dirty bomb, a kind of Fukushima level outpouring of gas. Wash your dog. Wash your dog more, I think is the answer to that question. They do smell mysteriously bad. Dog owners will know. Rory, we actually of course aren't here to talk about either of those things, ultimately. As you know, for us paranormal investigators, and for paranormal enthusiasts around the world, like our listeners, there are certain words that will always captivate and terrify us for what they represent.

Roswell. Sasquatch. Enfield. Deodorant. Right. Or, more relevant to today, Loch Ness. For hundreds of years, this murky lake in Scotland has represented the unknown and the paranormal.

The Loch Ness Monster, or Nessie, is arguably the world's most famous cryptid. And back in 2017, just five episodes into a new podcast called This Paranormal Life, an apparently pre-puberty kitten Rory decided the Loch Ness Monster was a double yes Laying down history even if our voices were so high only dogs could hear the conclusion Wow the bar was low back then I think we recently did an episode of this podcast where I had to Just to get it a double. Yes. I had to provide 88 pages of declassified military documents, witness testimonies, audio recordings from witnesses, and newspaper cuttings from 1967. And at the end it was still a coin toss as to which way it would go. Evidence inflation.

Back then, one page of evidence is worth 88 today. Right. It's a good question. Back then, one page of evidence is worth 88 today. Right. It's a good question. I will say it surprised me looking back at that conclusion. But there is something to Loch Ness. And I don't want to be revising history right now. I'm trying to use the fact that Loch Ness is real as a lever

for today's investigation. OK. Because saying that Loch Ness really does have a monster is cool and all, but it actually raises way more questions than answers. Because if Nessie is real, there could be others, right? Others in similar places even. We should know, because we grew up somewhere pretty damn similar. Remember, we grew up only 250 miles away from Loch Ness. Ireland is full of murky lakes, even bigger ones than Loch Ness. Is it possible that creatures like Nessie are hiding there right now?

I see, I see. So proving the existence of one of these creatures, or at least saying one of these exists, implies that there could be others, and there could be some right on our doorstep. You know, I don't remember how we said Nessie existed, if I had to guess. We probably favored the kind of prehistoric survivor hypothesis. Yes. That this was more likely to be something like a dinosaur, some kind of ancient creature that survived, rather than a magic Sasquatch or something?

Who's to say, ladies and gentlemen, that these creatures are even confined to a lake? I think we need to storm Buckingham Palace, the White House, all buildings of significant importance, and grab anyone that looks like a snake. Start grabbing people by the neck. All right, well, if we're gonna start walking into the White House grabbing snakes, there's

gonna be no one left in the White House, am I right guys? Hey! Eww! Baa-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba! Also people went to jail for a long time for storming the White House, or storming Capitol Hill. So let's not do that. I did forget that. Yeah, don't do that. Don't do that. We're going to reveal how this isn't just stoner chat, but a deep and crazy history on the Emerald Isle with witnesses, scientific research, and maybe, if you're lucky, evidence.

Brother, if it's about the paranormal, it's boner chat, because I'm excited. Rory, are you ready? I think we both. I think I've established I am. Let's dive in after a a couple words from today's sponsors and of course a reminder that every episode, every single one of this paranormal life episodes over the last six or seven years are available right now, ad free in one place, that one place is patreon.com

forward slash this paranormal life. Link in the description. We are in the southwest of Ireland in Killarney, national park filled with valleys and lakes, specifically, Muckross Lake. Sorry, one more time? Muckross Lake. Muck-cross? More of a muck-cross.

Muck-ross. Like if an Irish person lost their crucifix, and they'd say, Ha! M Crosse! All right, that's a kind of, that's incredibly insensitive to it. I'm just trying to get like, this is how I mentally kind of remember things. We have Irish listeners. Yeah, sure, not many. I don't know why.

They just shun us for some general reason. Always have, always will. Not even in the top 10 listener destinations, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, but there's some. Which is wild because we are both Irish as well. Yes. Yeah, they kind of, they seem to have disowned us, but we don't want to

piss them off any further, all right? Because we didn't win big at the Irish podcast awards last year. We were nominated for quite a few awards. Yeah. But I think we can win big if we really nail this one. Okay. I'm not saying that's the only reason I'm looking into this absolute pile of horse shit in today's case, but... I'm sorry, are these things still on? Yeah, let's cut that, please.

You're just gonna have to grin and bear this episode, brother, because we need some more Irish stories in the end of the podcast. Okay, I'm here for it. All right, hey guys! Welcome back! We're in Muckross, hey, my lake. Oh, yeah, I love this one Muck Ross, and I remember it because I respect it Not through wordplay It's 2009 and John Downs has traveled from his home in England to Kalarney to investigate the lakes Get that out of here. Am I right?

Hey, we got a lot of English listeners brother Yeah, not that! Not in a violent way. Listen, I know they do- We have to appease everyone? And I can see the live numbers and they are ticking up because Irish people love that, but we have way more English listeners than Irish listeners. Oh shit!

And brother, the British podcast awards are also coming up, so- Oh! Which we didn't even get nominated for last year, I f***ing think. Me! So we are between a rock and a goddamn hard place. Okay. Alright, don't... So just...

Yeah. Ugh, okay. Alright, I'll try and not piss anyone off. I'm like, the story goes on where he's like, foreigners out, am I right? Britain and Ireland is the place to be. Okay. An Englishman, who we love, is visiting Ireland, the place we love...

In a respectful way. In a great way. John isn't your average tourist. He's the founder of the Center for Fortean Zoology, the CFZ. I believe we've come across these guys before. They've been around a long time. They self-describe as having investigated cryptids on five different continents, calling themselves the leading non-profit organization dedicated to finding and studying

unknown or mystery animals. Mystery animals, I'm pretty sure I saw them in 2006 when I took acid at that rave in Belfast, but they did a sick set. They had a great keyboard player at the time. Fun fact, for the first two years, this podcast was also non-profit because then make a f***ing penny. Well, after a day of driving around the Ring of Kerry, John, his wife and two fellow investigators stopped on a hill overlooking Muckross Lake. I understand this is just Ireland only 15 years ago, but I am fully picturing Jurassic Park. Four investigators, open top jeep, driving through thick rainforest. Oh yeah.

They peered down into the valley, the subject of all their investigations and where there had been word of movement on the lake. Just then they saw some strange movements just below the surface of the water. It seemed to be some kind of large animal. Rory, thank God, John was carrying a camera at the time. It starts off slowly as John notices birds and small objects on the lake. But soon it becomes more interesting. And here you can see something swimming slowly but surely across the water.

It's far too big to be a duck. And in fact, if you look closely, you'll see that there's nothing above the water. It's something just under the surface. The whole thing is very reminiscent of the pictures which made the newspapers a couple of years ago when somebody took photographs of what appears to be an immense creature swimming across Lake Windermere. And could this be that uber predator? Just look at the way it's moving, it's far too big to be any known species of animal that should live in that lake. As you can see Rory, John's group were pretty far from this lake, about a quarter mile just

for reference. So anything they're seeing, as he points out, had to be pretty big. But the moment we care most about is six and a half minutes into this tape. Look at this. You can see something large and dark and they're very, very fast moving like a torpedo and leaving something like a torpedo trail in its wake

as it zooms right towards us and then bears to the right. I've never seen anything like this before in my life and it's difficult to know how to explain it." Alright, for those listening there's some kind of commotion-y waves on the surface of the water and then something, some kind of object. It's hard to tell whether it's either above the water or below the water, creates kind of like a bend pattern as it turns along. Yeah, it does look quite a lot like in some kind of thriller movie or war movie when they do, as he said, launch a torpedo and it kind of like very quickly just shoots out under the water and curves around in a nice pattern.

I can't stress how hard it is to comprehend what's happening because for some reason, they decided to stand a mile away and then zoom in as close as they could. Because at the start of this video, at one point, they're showing the lake, and this thing is shaking like crazy because it zoomed in like a hundred times. And I was like, oh, that must be... Those ripples must be... I can see a boat there on the lake. And he was like, that is a duck.

And I was like, okay, well, I don't know what the f*** is going on then. Perspective is really wild right now. So even in this part where we see this kind of pattern, it's very hard to tell whether that could be an enormous sea beast or a pigeon. Yeah, well, it ain't a pit. I mean, hopefully that's the point of showing you the bit before, right?

Is because we generally know from watching the beginning, you see smaller things on the lake. You see whether it is a bird or a duck or whatever. And then we see a few minutes later, something considerably bigger. Different, for sure. Going underneath the water. And yeah, it is funny.

I mean, thankfully he caught that bit, the important bit on camera, because right before that. They see something what they think is crazy and he starts this is full clover feel the camera he's so excited he starts swinging the camera on it's insane which is. Yeah i mean that's paranormal evidence 101 isn't it sadly it's like it's like all footage of natural disasters on Twitter or places like that. It's always like, you know, you get a glimpse of a tsunami and then the camera is just a floor. It's doing a 900 like Tony Hawk, just impossible to see what's going on.

One thing I want viewers to bear in mind as we proceed though, through this case, when we talk about the Great Lakes and the sprawling hills of Ireland, I think a lot of people, probably, including myself, pictured quite a large body of water, which if that is the lake in question today, it is not a large body of water. I mean, it is and it isn't. It is a lake and it's sizable, but it's not like I can't see the other side. It blends into the mountain tops. You could swim it. It ain't Lake Michigan.

Yeah, you could just swim across this thing. I mean, here's a good example. Here you could see that Muckross Lake is, you know, it's large, as you can see in relation to the towns and mountain ranges but it is also connected to Loch Lene which is a lot bigger so kind of one and the same in in some ways. Yeah okay. So Rory yes well it's not the biggest lake in Ireland it is one of them uh it is deep it's about 250 feet deep. Wow, that is actually deeper than I thought. An interesting place to start with some fascinating, yet incredibly shaky footage. You know, maybe this case is better known than we thought because that video has over half a million views.

Whoa! And lots of comments from paranormal enthusiasts and is a key piece of evidence today. But why were they looking for a cryptid there in the first place? Well, it so happens that these lakes have long been associated with underwater monsters. Local lore, anecdotal sightings and myths have thrived in communities around these shorelines for generations. Locals have started calling the beast that lives in the lake Mucky. That's kind of a cute name for a seemingly ferocious monster. Most sightings described a very large eel or snake-like animal that moves quickly and

occasionally breaks the surface. Some descriptions include fins a bit like the plesiosaurus which is a bit more like Nessie. Hmm. I needed a little bit of a reminder of what the plesiosaurus looks like if it is supposed to be what Nessie looks like. It's this guy. Whoa okay yeah. Yep. Yeah yeah yeah. That's Nessie alright. You've got the diplodocus neck and head Attached to kind of like a turtle's body That's that's what the look we're going for here I actually tweeted this last night that I got I got pretty freaked out at midnight Googling dinosaurs hadn't looked at dinosaurs in a while. It's a slippery slope, dude. Yeah, it's crazy

It's one of those I know this is and I cannot stress how much I don't smoke weed, but this, but this is a very, it can only be described as like a very like stoner thought whenever you're like, it's like, I get it that they existed. We all get it. Yeah. But whenever you really think about that, whenever you really think about it and you look at the dates of when they lived and then you start thinking about how long ago that was about him being alive 208 million years ago. It's terrifying. At midnight last night I wasn't okay with

that. I was recently at a kind of ecological park that was talking about kind of the history of the world you know the environment all that kind of stuff and they were talking about some of the what, you know, the environment, all that kind of stuff. And they were talking about some of the, what do they call, extinction events that have taken place in the past. Sure. And I kind of waltzed by it and I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I get it.

The dinosaurs, the meteorite, the whole deal. And they're like, yeah, that's one of eight. There were like, I don't know, five or six global extinction events before it even reached the dinosaurs. They were like, there was the reckoning, there was the damning, there was the bloodning. But you're like, Jesus Christ, what was going on on the earth before the dinosaurs were kicking about? Because even the dinosaurs, it was like, I don't know, whatever, a certain percentage of Earth's life was wiped off the planet. Some of the ones that came before the dinosaurs, they were like,

there was one dude left. One dude and a f***ing squirrel. And they had to make it work. It's like, everything was gone. It's crazy. Getting back to Mucky and Nessie. The problem is, Roy, if Nessie has taught us anything, it's that aquatic monsters

are very hard to spot and very hard to get evidence of. Very true. But I think with John's video we're off to a rolling start. Rest assured it's not the only proof of something big in the water. In April 2003, fish scientists were conducting hydroacoustic sonar scans of the lake to check the fish population. Just to clarify this is a human scientist that evaluates fish not a fish scientist. Hold up oh it was Aquaman. Human scientists checking fish populations. Right. This is boring stuff these guys aren't quacks these guys are just regular researchers. They're not quacks because they're not ducks and they're not fish.

That's a different scientist. Those are the duck guys. They're the quacks. And Rory? They detected more than they bargained for. Something was getting in the way of their readings. Something big. In the southeastern corner of the lake they detected a 27 foot snake-like shape that baffled the team, writing, we have been unable to identify exactly what this image is but we know it was not a computer or logging error as all the gear was functioning normally. The story caused a wave of interest and speculation and was picked up in news outlets as far as Japan. Maybe the first story that made Mucky nationally famous.

Wow. I was gonna say, you know, maybe a little bit strange that Mucky's so relevant in Japan, of all places. But as a country that is, you know, one of their famous fictional characters is a monster that came from the ocean. Maybe they're just pretty keen to figure out if any of them are real. Right, these scientists, they get back to the office, they're like, this is crazy, bro, we've got to tell someone about this. The colleague's like, hey Sean, Shinzo Abe is on the line.

Huh? The Prime Minister of Japan is on the line. He's like, are you sure it's not Godzilla? Just double check. Just like, we know their movies and stuff, but like between you and me, we... Some of them look pretty real. They ain't just movies, bro. The first two Godzilla movies were actually leaked CIA video files. I like that. I like that connection. I know Japan, another nation fascinated with

its own folklore, but yeah, I mean, a water beast is pretty much the modern mascot of the country. Yeah. We should be clear at this point, this is crossed over, right? We've gone from eyewitness testimony, rumours, legend lore of stuff in this lake to sure it was ramped up a notch. Guys with experience of Loch Ness started looking into it and maybe saw some stuff on camera, maybe, maybe not. It should be pointed out, it's entirely feasible that there is an undiscovered beast in this lake.

It doesn't have to be shape shifting or magic or anything like, you know, invisible Sasquatch. Cause like I said, this thing is up to 250 feet deep. Is it possible we're dealing with a cut off prehistoric animal? A creature that was supposed to be killed off with the dinosaurs, but it didn't get the memo and it's living its best life to this day. That is the popular kind of theory anytime we're talking about swamp, not swamp monsters, sea serpents, anything like that. It's an old dinosaur that is missed its expiry date and is still on the shelves.

The only problem with that is, you know, that recent sighting you said, when was that, 2003? That is very recent. That is only 20 years ago. That is at a point where we're entering a territory where people have very high definition cameras And also equipment whether you're a human scientist or a fish scientist We should be able to capture whatever it is that is down there if you're seeing it You know, these aren't sightings from the 1940s or earlier. They did capture it on a scout What does that mean? I mean something's done there did capture it on a scan. What does that mean? That means something's done, eh?

No, no, no. What does that mean? They captured it on a scan. They saw a 27-foot-long beast. They saw it. On a scan. What is a scan? What do you mean? An x-ray? Yeah, like a sonar. Sonar? Yeah.

They saw it on sonar. Yeah, the second one you said. That one. An x-ray, yeah, sonar, yeah. They did. How do you see 20 feet on sonar? I believe it's dots, right? Yeah, well, there's a, there's a, they've got a scale. There's a scan.

Got a scale, don't they? Okay, I'm just, I'm not. Yeah, you don't believe in scientists? You don't believe in Sean the scientist? I just want to take that into consideration. I want everyone to take that into consideration. This isn't. That going forward you need.

It's not the 1500s. You need. We're talking about 20 years ago. Hey, this was the problem with Loch Ness too, right? Was all the photos of Loch Ness were garbaggio. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Not Loch Ness, but Nessie the monster.

And I mean, I think with Loch Ness, but Nessie the monster and I mean I think with Loch Ness they have got into all that and in that sense has our verdict aged like milk because there should be a 100 4k GoPros set up around the lake at all times live streaming so that anyone on earth can just see it when it pops out There should be yeah. Yeah. I mean I can't even tell you how many sea serpent like cryptids We've investigated on this podcast before, you know. As you said, the Lugnus Monster, the sea serpent of Lake Koshkonong, the Ogo Pogo. God, there's probably so many more that I can't remember. The Lake Michigan sea serpent. I think we did that one in a live show when we were in Chicago. There's, there's just so many out there. And unfortunately, very often it does come down to a no because, uh, this is

the problem is, you know, when we're talking about cryptids that live in the forest, in the jungle, you know what else can live and breathe in the jungle? Humans. So it's pretty easy to look in the jungle and walk through the jungle and find the thing. We can't breathe underwater. We can't even really see underwater. So as soon as that thing goes down, it's gone.

It's disappeared into darkness, the mist of the earth. And that becomes a big problem. I agree. Because it's very hard to see. The problem is you f***ed up and mentioned the Ogo Pogo. And unfortunately for you, that is real. I knew the second I mentioned the Ogo Pogo and unfortunately for you that is real. I knew the second I mentioned the Ogo Pogo. And we gave that a yes, even though we didn't have to on a bonus episode.

So if you haven't heard that episode, you have to go listen to that episode if you want to hear about a real... You know, I'm not saying this one isn't real, but if you want to hear about a real sea serpent that we already gave a double yes, that is one on the Patreon. The Yogo Pogo episode was fantastic because the entire time I was saying it was a no. Yeah. Right up until the last minute and Kit said, well if you don't believe me, here's a video of it. And he just showed me a video of the Yogo Pogo and I was like, alright, that's a yes. And Rory, shouldn't that be the lesson? Is that imagine, imagine if that video had never been taken.

We had to wait all those years of people theorizing about the Yogo Pogo, talking about the Yogo Pogo, and then we just took some lucky son of a bitch to point their flip cam at the lake to capture it. And maybe that's what we're waiting on here. That's true. But until that day arrives, my verdict may be a no. You don't know what's coming.

I'm excited. I do want to support the idea of this cutoff prehistoric animal theory by saying that this lake is actually already home to one species of fish that doesn't exist anywhere else on Earth. No way. It got cut off during the Ice Age and survived when all the others died.

Shut up! That's crazy! So it's already happening. Rory, what we do know is that Mucky in Macross Lake is far from the only sighting of a water beast in Ireland across the years. There are several major lakes with supposed cryptids spotted in them. From Loch Derg to Loch Re to Loch Anna and more. But there's one loch that really piqued my interest. That we're going to take a look at right after a couple words from today's sponsors. This is the first radio ad you can smell. The new Cinnabon pull apart only at Wendy's.

It's ooey, gooey, and just five bucks for the small coffee all day long. Taxes extra at participating Wendy's until May 5th. Terms and conditions apply. Okay, we're back and we're talking about Mucky. And in this case, some creatures that also might exist like Mucky in other lakes. I became tantalized when I found out about Loch Fada and the rumors surrounding a beast that may live inside the lake. My interest was piqued because we have video testimony of a sighting.

Is there a loch that doesn't have a sea monster in it? I guess. In Ireland? Because you just rattled off like 14 different lochs. I think ironically, you know, I don't know if everyone knows this, but our biggest, the biggest lake in the country. Our biggest export is snake meat. From Ireland.

Fun fact. You know the way St. Patrick drove out all snakes? Where do you think they went, bitch? The water. Not everyone knows because Loch Ness is so famous. Right. Our biggest loch, our biggest lake, is Loch Né. Yeah.

And actually, before anyone is like, shut up, you guys don't have a Loch Né. It's the biggest lake in Britain, in Britain and Ireland, in all of England, all of Scotland, all Wales, all of Ireland. That's the biggest one. Really? Yeah, it's massive. And it's been in the news because it's poison now. Okay, great. Yeah, which is good.

Of course it is. Yeah, fantastic. But funnily enough, I mean, after all the chats, there's been a lot of Loch Né news in the last year, and it is massive, and it's well-known, da-da-da. I don't think there's any, I mean, I might be wrong. I might be wrong. But I don't think there's actually any rumours of our biggest lake having anything in it. Which is disappointing, because that's probably the one that you just don't want to be poison. Right. If there's sea monsters in every other loch on that island, poison those ones!

Poison those and let them float to the top! And unfortunately, uh, unfortunately, Lough Neagh, the big one, is where all our drinking water comes from, so it being poison is bad. Do I want to know how it has become poison? I think farmers just dump, like, cow shit into it. That's what I was worried about.

I think that's what it is. Okay. I think they've been doing that for a hundred years and now it's poison. That's gonna be Ireland's next extinction event. We all drank cow shit and died. Yeah I don't know if anyone's been paying attention to like UK news over the last two years but there's shit in all the water. It turns out it's bad. Kind of, I think like a couple of years back, um, our kind of government of the UK kind of said it was okay to dump shit in water and then everyone started doing

it and now it's bad. What a fun little time to be alive. To put, to put poop in the one thing we need to live. That's great. That's cool. Rory, let's cut to that video testimony. As it came towards us, it suddenly opened its mouth, which opened something similar to a shark-shaped mouth.

And we did notice the body had all movement in it. And in color, it seemed a kind of a bluey-black shade. And it came right up along until suddenly I moved. When I did, the others jumped as well as I did. So then it suddenly just took fright and went right around a rock, which is still there at the point, if you notice it further, and went down. We could see the movement in the water as it went down.

And very quickly again it came up, but it was quite a long distance from us when it did come up. It had moved much quicker going out and it had coming towards us. And what did you think it was when you saw it, Miss Morgan? As always, it's pretty interesting isn't it whenever you finally have to hear someone actually say what they saw and you're like yeah wouldn't really know what to say to you if you told me that to my face. I may have missed this did we tell the audience that this video clip was from the 1800s? No it's from 1967. It is not from 1967. Those people look like they rode into the interview on a penny-farthing. Listen, Ireland was a different place at the time. That is insane.

I say that if you went to rural Ireland, that kind of is what it looks like. Even if you pointed an iPhone 15 Pro Max, it would still be black and white. The audio would still sound like that. That's what TikToks from Kilarney look like right now. That is, wow, I would have assumed that was from the literal 1940s or something. That is really old school. Yeah, it is a bit, yeah. Okay, well look, hey, good to hear a testimony. Not entirely sure that two elderly women, kind of claiming they saw a strange fish...

Elderly? They were 28 years old! They definitely weren't! I bet they weren't that old. One of them is chewing Werther's originals while knitting mid-interview. Okay, but good to get some testimonies from just witnesses, normal people. Granted- Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

Your poke holes and everything. Your poke holes and everything. You can't simply just enjoy a story. Sorry, also to clarify, this isn't even about the lake we're talking about. They're talking about a different lake. A nearby lake. So not even, this is a testimony from 70 years ago by two women who were talking about a

different lake. A nearby lake. A nearby lake. And this is all gonna become clear very soon why I'm talking about a different lake. Don't you think it would be a little bit interesting if you were investigating the Loch Ness monster? Imagine you've got all your cameras set up on Loch Ness and you're investigating, you're all chips in on Loch Ness. And then some guy's like, hey, yo,

they just saw the same beast in a different lake five minutes away. Are you gonna be like, yeah, I think I'm good. I'm staring at the lake where there's nothing going on right now. Or would you be like, nice, maybe he got there somehow. I'm going to go and see. Oh, I see. So you're implying it's the same creature, but he has gotten to a different lake?

Maybe it's cousin or something. Okay. So it's not the same creature. We don't know. Okay. We just try to understand. Well, the same species, or something. Okay, so it's not the same creature. We don't know! Okay. We just try to understand. Well, the same species, for sure. Okay, but these lakes aren't connected,

unless this thing did like a free willy style leap across Ireland and landed in the other pond. This is not the same creature, we're saying. What happened next was exactly what I wanted to happen in TPL style. Some of the team from Loch Ness and its Phenomena Investigation Bureau got wind of what was going on at Loch Fadda. They came over to investigate it, headed up by decorated British army captain, Lionel Leslie.

He was a World War II hero and wrote books on big game hunting, but it was hunting cryptids that excited him most. He arrived in 1965 with a glint in his eye and a plan, aka dynamite. I knew this was coming. Captain Leslie first came here to investigate the monster report in 1965, and for him him this is a serious business. He's lowering dynamite into the lake So it's a member of the Loch Ness

phenomena investigation bureau and has spent five years on the so far inconclusive search for the monster That's said to live in the deeps of that somber Scottish loch The idea was to blast the monster here with noise and make him rise to the surface. But nothing happened. So this year he's back again. Across the narrowest section of the loch he stretched a strong net, baited with rotten meat, into which he hopes to attract the monster from the depths. I was looking at your implementation here, Captain.

I wonder, it's not very sophisticated looking. What chance of success do you think it has? Well, I've been assured by experts who've been employed on anti-submarine devices during the war that instruments like this have been sufficient to put off acoustic mines. You see, underwater any form of noise or vibration is five times as intense as an air and I believe that by making these noises in the deeper parts of the loch

we could manage to get these things on the move, at any rate, in an experiment. Even though it's just sort of tin cans with stones in them? The idea is to capture it, capture it, and bring it ashore. Capture it and bring it into shallow water, keep it alive as long as possible for zoologists to examine it and films to be made of it. Does this mean then that you're a one-man band as it were? Well no, the Loch Ness Phenomena Investigation Bureau

are very interested and are giving us their moral support. The net is being paid for by well-wishers. This is the first effort in history that anybody has tried to set out with a net to catch anything the idea is to catch it capture it trying to bring it ashore capture it and bring it into shallow water keep it alive as long as possible for geologists to examine it and so kill it to the native it is it is it an expensive business monster hunting? Well, it is if you go in for any length of time But we take it as a sort of glorified holiday at Boston expense

Say then at this stage Don't let Boston hear this you're likely to see or catch anything. I wouldn't like to prophesy anything. It's a gamble. And unless I have beginner's luck, there's nothing likely to happen. But somebody's got to break the ice. And we're breaking the ice. And once you've made the pioneer effort, something else will follow in after a year.

I do love that he kind of broke after a few minutes of interviewing and said that it was all a big holiday at the end. Yeah. Man that interview was really not having it. He was like your net is made of tin cans full of rocks. Yeah he's like how was your adventures in Loch Ness where you found nothing? And he's like, no, we found, we made progress. It's like, cool, cool. Do you think you'll find anything here? Yes, obviously.

But unfortunately Rory, as we heard from the video, he was unsuccessful in capturing the beast, probably because he blew it to smithereens a year earlier by dropping dynamite in the lake. Yeah, I don't like this guy. That's incredibly irresponsible, damaging to the local wildlife. Yeah. You know, because we could all find the Loch Ness monster if we really wanted to. We just drop a big toaster in the lake, and that thing would float to the top. But we don't because there's rules, there's regulations,

and there's the right way to do things. I guarantee someone's done that. We've seen that there's enough crackpots who live by the lake and all that stuff. Someone's definitely sneakily gone down with a toaster and just chucked it in. Yeah, I know, I don't know that I, I mean, I do understand it was a different time.

As you say, we're getting up on whatever, 60, 70 years ago now that this was happening, but I don't know that I totally agree with his methods, throwing in a bomb and then trying to capture it with the net and then I'm glad the interviewer asked, he said, what do you plan to do once you get it? And he was like, probably show it around like King Kong for a while,

hopefully keep it alive for as long as possible. But honestly, we'll probably eat it for dinner. We'll take a couple of pictures and then eat it. Yeah. And Rory, that's like cryptid hunting has gone woke because people want to protect wildlife now. Good. Yeah.

When it used to be all about killing them as soon as you capture them, stuffing them full of stuffing and then putting them on the mantelpiece. Yeah. Someone who is a cryptid hunter also shouldn't be a regular hunter. It shouldn't be a colonel in the army. Because I think being a cryptid hunter is hunting for the truth and evidence of the existence of the creature, not trying to put a bullet in the back of its head and turn it into a rug.

I know, I don't want to psychoanalyse Colonel Lionel too hard, but there does seem to be a vibe, doesn't there, right? Of these, like, whether it's Colonel Lionel or other people we've investigated over the years or, you know, even to a lesser extent, you know, Neil Armstrong. It's like these guys who, like Neil, went to space, explored the frontiers of space or Lionel, who was a war hero in World War 2 apparently. It's almost like they get back to civilian life and they're like, I mean we've talked about it before, it's the hashtag next mission.

Right. What is the next mission? You kind of get the sense that this guy, he's wearing a beret, he's got like an army coat on. The war's over buddy. Yeah. You don't need to drop bombs in a lake anymore. Like I don't doubt that he's sinking pints at the pub afterwards and like having a good time but yeah, he definitely is like, where'd he get dynamite? If he's just a civilian,

why does he have dynamite? I'm not surprised that he didn't find anything. Well I'm not surprised Lionel came to Ireland because this is where cryptid cases can be fascinating. Because not only is it, as I say, scientifically possible for there to be a beast, we've already seen the stranded species who've survived the ages and the depth and size of the lake. And there have been countless sightings of water beasts. There is also already mythology throughout Ireland pointing to creatures just like this. Now while there are lots of different ones, there is a tale in this exact area of an ancient

and gargantuan sea serpent. Ooh, sea serpent! The Pesht is a worm or serpent said to have actually carved one of the lakes in the Black Valley through sheer force of strength. Damn! One of the mountains that overlooks this area has a high point called Krok Napesht, or the peak of the serpent. That is kind of mad, isn't it? How big is this mother****** supposed to be? He carved a mountain? I think this is insanely cool. This is the stuff I really love when... It really tells us a lot about the paranormal, the hunt for the paranormal, the discussion about the paranormal, because it frames it as saying, this isn't a new thing.

Like, if we're discussing it, if we're reading blogs about it, looking at photos and videos, this is just continuing, probably, a conversation that's been happening for a long time. Yeah, I would say, you know, when we're entering a territory where we're talking about ancient beasts carving lakes and mountains, we're definitely entering the realm of folklore, mythology, very old-school belief systems,

rather than it being a genuine belief that a creature like this physically existed in our world. But doesn't it become interesting when we already have the folklore and then fish scientists say, we saw a 27 foot long beast in the lake. Right. Not that big. If this is the fish that was supposed to have carved a mountain. Really not that large. You know they were always exaggerating shit back in the day.

You make a great point that it is folklore. To that, here's what I will say, and this isn't a defence for Mucky or this particular serpent, but just something I was reading and thinking about recently, which I find so cool and fascinating. I can't wait for us to do more cases on Australia. Of course. Because I think it's something we haven't tapped into enough. I mean, obviously we ignored it for a long time because we thought it wasn't real, but now that we know it is real.

Allegedly. There's a really fascinating thing to do with, just in the same way that when we look at Native American stories in North America, tell of amazing paranormal folklore, they have the same thing in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander culture in Australia. They have amazing stories. The difference is maybe between them and in Ireland, or maybe it's not, maybe it is the same, is that in Australia they have this thing called the dream time, right? The dreaming. And this is like the big word for- Nap time.

I'm sorry. It's not, no. It's a time at about 3.30, 4.30. No. If you've had a big lunch- If you would let me finish. Sorry. And I'm sorry, I'm going to butcher it for the Australian listeners, but very broadly, this is like a combination of their folklore, their creation myth, and

their just lore in general. But it's not something in the past, it's something present and living and breathing and now. They tell stories of amazing creatures that lived in the land, spirits that inhabited places, rocks, trees, etc. Stories that we would be tempted to just put down to mere myth, mere folklore, the same way we do in this part of the world. The difference is the Aboriginal Australian people, they have been there for 65,000 years. And the coolest thing of all is their stories. Talk about animals that went extinct 30,000 years ago, 20,000 years ago.

There was all these different megafauna, giant sloths, kangaroos the size of skyscrapers by all accounts, but amazing creatures that aren't around anymore. Animals that we would believe to just be a myth, just a story. But they have remembered through their oral tradition for thousands of years through these stories. You're like, amazing and beautiful animals that we ate into oblivion. Most of the pictures and symbols of these once magnificent creatures are now seen in cookbooks from the ancient societies.

They were among the most delicious of all the animals. Yeah, we look at cave paintings and they've got like, yeah, a giant sloth on a spit roast. Like, oh dear. Oh. I bring this up not as some kind of proof that Mucky or one of these sea serpents is there now. Right. But I feel that there's something going on there.

Ireland is also an oral tradition. How can you have these ancient stories, the names of the mountains named after a sea serpent, and then through to the modern day tales of serpents living in the lakes, even sightings? Damn, if there isn't something there now, it seems like there was a long time ago. Yeah, I mean, that is kind of true to every location on Earth. There may not be a dinosaur there right now, but there was at one point, most likely. Well, right, but also within humans' lifespan.

Because humans have only been around for like tens of thousands of years or whatever. Yes. Dinosaurs should have all died millions of years ago. I feel like, yeah, well definitely not dinosaurs. Probably any more dinosaurs kicking about. You did bring something up earlier, which is worth mentioning, and I didn't realize this, but just how connected these lakes and waterways are. You guys know, it rains a lot in Ireland.

Some days, the whole country is just one big puddle. Oh yeah. You know how you can tell it's summer in Ireland? The rain is warmer. That wasn't a diss to the any of our Irish listeners by the way. It rains everywhere is what I'm saying. So don't, that wasn't an insult. Keep listening please. The lakes aren't isolated. The Shannon River is the longest river in the UK and Ireland and it connects to many other waterways and channels. I believe this came up in the Loch Ness investigation too, we were like, I think this guy is like commuting. I think the Loch Ness Monster is commuting from Loch Ness to

other places and back. Could be another way in which a beast would remain undetected for so long as it travels between places. I mean, that would be a way he would very much become detected. If all of a sudden he's swimming beside you while on the motorway. So while the investigation has been frustrating, throwing up tons of testimony and even some footage of a potential beast, like Lionel Leslie himself, were finishing short-handed. Despite sightings all around the country and dozens of witnesses over the years and the existence of a water beast in Loch Ness,

we just can't seem to pin down Mucky. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, a lot of today's case wasn't about Mucky, which was a twist I wasn't expecting. It was, it was. It's just a weird idea to be like, today we're investigating a creature buried deep underwater. To find out more, we're going into the jungle.

It's like, okay, well that seems very different. Mucky is the Pescht. The Pescht, the ancient sea beast, is Mucky. They're one and the same. Is that a popular belief or is that a theory? Your turn is gibless. That's my personal belief. The Loch Ness Monster and Mucky are cousins.

Okay. So the legendary creature that was big enough to shape mountains on the face of the earth now lives in a puddle in Ireland. Is his great-great-great-great-great-grandson. It's not the same one. That would be crazy. It'd be millions of years old. Yeah.

It's called Loch Linn because he really shedded some of that weight from his prehistoric days. Yeah, he's prepping for a role. Rory, I've taken you on a bit of a journey. One we haven't done in a little while of looking at a water beast, a sea serpent, well, a lake serpent. Where's your head at? You know, we've been down this road so many times, honestly. And I think it's, it's always the same problem we come up against is, come on guys, come on. You, you haven't even tried.

You haven't even tried. You woke up on the wrong side of the bed. No, no, no, no, no. And you haven't even tried. You were pissed off from the beginning of this story. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. If you're looking for a creature in the jungle and you can't find tried. No. You were pissed off from the beginning of this story. Here's the thing. Here's the thing.

If you're looking for a creature in the jungle and you can't find him, fair play. Jungles kind of- You said the opposite earlier. You said you can simply walk around and if you don't see him, he ain't there. No, no, no. I've changed my- This is bullshit. This is whatever you were about to say is cap. You're speaking Caponese.

Jungles are huge. And when the jungles end, there's just fields, and it just goes forever. That's the earth, right? If you're looking for a creature that lives in a lake, there's only one place he can be, and that's in the lake. Oh yeah, and by that logic, we would have explored all of the world's oceans.

Oh wait! Scientists say we haven't discovered f***ing precisely jack shit of what's in the ocean because it's actually really hard. Okay. So you said scientists said we haven't examined

precisely jack shit? Yeah. So you know what I mean. We... Okay. Alright. Yeah. We're not dealing with an ocean beast here.

We're dealing with a lake beast. A lake that I think you said is 200 feet deep. Fine. That's, I guess that's pretty deep. I could throw a stone to the other side. You couldn't. So it's not that wide. You're pretty good at baseball, but even you couldn't.

So I'm just saying if in a hundred years, we haven't been able to snap a pic of this guy, I'm a little suspicious. I actually do have a pic. Do you want to see it? Yeah, sure. And it's so worrying that you tried to end the episode without bringing it up. Feast your eyes! When was this taken? Who took this?

And why did you almost not show it to me? What do you think of it? I think it's weird. It's so hard to tell what's going on here. I see the lake water, there's mountains in the background, and then there is just an incredibly suspiciously black blob protruding from the water. That's a blob of the Loch Ness Monster. Mucky, in this case. So not the Loch Ness Monster. It is Mucky. It's Mucky. It's Muckross Lake. It's Mucky.

What I'm saying is it looks like the Loch Ness monster. Okay. That's Mucky. We got a yes. When was that taken and who took it? It was taken in 1981. Okay. It is one of the more well-known photos of Mucky.

It was taken by a known hoaxer. He actually was so known, he got his ears cut off in Prague for defrauding people. Okay. All right. I can see now why you didn't want to... Which is why I didn't put it in the episode, because I wanted to focus on the legit stuff like the video. Remember, the video was pretty good. The video was okay. the video was pretty good. The video was okay. The video was okay. Oh my God, tough crowd.

All right. Wow. It's a tough one. Hey, look, cryptid cases are one of the hardest to prove because we do need some physical, tangible evidence at the end of the cases. Otherwise, the cases have to be incredibly strong with a lot of testimonies.

Like a sea serpent moving like a torpedo out of the water. So without that evidence, fortunately, it's to be a no from me this week. Sorry to say. Kid is devastated. I wish you could see the look on his face right now. So I just want, just to be clear. Well, we're not getting any Irish listeners.

That much is clear. I feel like it would be dangerous to align yourself with the World War II captain who also believes and wants to flood the lake with dynamite and catch all the fish in a big net. That's not a good teammate to have in this argument. I do have a soft spot for this story, clearly. I do get excited when there's tales of a serpent coming from so many different angles. And listen, I'm buoyed, I'm buoyed to use a water pun from the existence of,

we've confirmed on this podcast, two, two at least to my knowledge, sea serpents, well, lake serpents, the Ogopogo and the Loch Ness Monster. First one might have been a mistake. Am I so wrong to give this thing a chance? Because there's been evidence for those, they turn out to exist, that if we get some evidence for this and enough people talking about it, that this feels like it could be a shoe in, it's only a couple hundred miles away from Loch Ness. But I do have to concede that we are missing the silver bullet that was the Ogo Pogo final video.

Yeah, yeah, we've had some incredible Sea Beast cases that unfortunately have come down on a no just because we're missing that final piece of the puzzle. You thought this was incredible too? I thought it, they have definitely had some interesting moments and themes. Yeah, and that's all I'll say about that. Alright, alright, well seeing as you're being pretty nice about it, I guess I can give it a no. So, it's a double no today. Unfortunately, we're missing that last key bit of evidence. Hope you enjoyed the investigation, though, into Mucky. Hopefully we'll get another real

sea serpent on our hands. Or, you know, if you live near here, do us a favour. Make a homemade bomb. Um, no. Put it in the water. Do not do that. I think even just saying that on a podcast is probably a bad idea. Um, to get the sea serpent, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not for any other reason.

Okay, not a bomb then. Just, uh, like, splash about a bit. Splash about. I think the logic was solid. Make a bit of fuss. Make a bit of noise. Splash about. I think the logic was solid. Make a bit of fuss, make a bit of noise. Splash about. He shouldn't eat you, I wouldn't think, even though a few people have gone missing from the lakeside.

And try and drive him out. Move around, flop around like an injured seal, drop a few little drops of fish blood in the water and he'll come. He will come. And if you have any of your own insights or thoughts on this one, send them through thisparanormallifepodcastatgmail.com I think I put so much bad stuff in my body. I think if any animal ate me, they would die. Right.

Well, we've already established that our drinking water is filled of shit. So we are poison now. Right. Which is worrying because I think 60% of your human body is water. And I was already full of shit. I'm 100% of a gobshite. But guys, if you couldn't get enough of this paranormal life this week, if you're fiending for more, maybe I've left you teased on the edge of your seat for a double yes for a sea serpent. Rory, let's drop in a goddamn clip of the Ogo Pogo

episode right here so the good people at home can check out a little bit of a Patreon episode, see what they're getting in for, and maybe they would want to check it out. Great idea. Roll the clip. I'm going to go on record and say that was some of the most convincing evidence I've ever seen in any episode of this Paranormal Life. This is wasted on a bonus episode. I'm ready to swear down right now that this mother f***er is real. We saw it. We saw it with our own eyes.

That's just, that's not as real as it can get. It's like, we have a footage where we caught him on camera. Folks, it's real. I just saw it in a lake. Unless they built a giant animatronic f***ing snake machine for this TV show, then I don't know what else I just witnessed. Humps. We just saw humps moving through like a giant, like, it was Godzilla. It was Godzilla, folks, living inside this lake. Truly the only possible alternative explanation is a high level hoax. Yeah. Like I said, a f***ing Universal Studios level

Jurassic Park ride animatronic sea monster. Which is not impossible. But when you start to put it all together with the other sightings and when you look back to, you know, the... What was that thing? The mid 1800s? I'm, I'm, I'm shook right now. I'm genuinely shook.

It's quite, there's something quite funny about waiting till this late in the episode to show you that. Yeah, after everything we've been through. Oh my god. Like, I was like telling you all about how to pronounce it in the local Native American dialect. We need to stop global warming. This thing needs to be able to live wherever it wants. Because if it runs out of water, it might start eating people.

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You said it was secret. Well, it was secret that I did it. It should be very public knowledge now cause it is made national news. Really? For the small fee of $1,500 a week, I will cut the brakes on whatever car you ask me to. No questions asked.

I'll just do it. Really, the less I know about the car, the better. So, you know, keep it vague. Just say, no, not necessarily. I don't know what happened. So just say red car, that street. And I'll just snippy, snippy, snip every, every single red car. But that way I don't know who died because of me and who just crashed.

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We are looking at Shane quarter of a mile away through a 100x magnified digital video camera. I'm looking- Oh it's a duck. It's a duck yeah I was just gonna say yeah I thought he was wearing the backstroke. If it was on water we should should have known that. Yeah Thanks to Tyler Flasspolar Tyler for a very small fee. I'll go under the tires and cut a couple wires So check out that I know you're on a certain just shout out here But for the small price of what I say 1500 don't encourage a week You can just anyone any whoever I don long? 1500 a week for how long? Once you've done the job.

Once I've done the job and I do not move fast. I do not move quickly. I move whenever I want. And sometimes I don't even do the job at all. Okay. Sometimes midway through the call, I snip snip the telephone wire just to make sure that you can't get any of my information.

I shouldn't be telling you this Tyler, because I feel like you may be not gonna pay me to do the job now, so I... I think you've lost that lead. I will. I will do it, if I feel like it. Thanks to Chris. We heard about the sea serpent Pished.

Well, this is Criished. It wasn't Pished. It was Pished. Pished. But this is Criished. It's kind of Pished, yeah. It is kind of Pished. Well, this is C pished. Pished. But this is crished. It's kind of pished. Yeah, it is kind of pished. Well, this is this is crished and he didn't carve the mountains, but he did carve some pretty cool other things. Well, crashed?

Crashed? Crished? Yeah, did a lot of cool things. Threw water into wine. Not Jesus crashed. Crashed. Crashed. There are supporters on Patreon, they carve things out of marble. So it's kind of like carving mountains, but it's like smaller and way more erotic. Oh, wow. They should think about doing it with crystal. Oh, that would be nice. Chris, crystal. It's nice.

Sorry, is it erotic? It's very, it's extremely erotic. Yeah. Marble honkers. Thanks to Richard field Richard I hate to tell you but you failed. Oh, no Failed what is driving tests? I hate to tell you hate to break it to you I hate to break it to you, but someone's got to tell you. Oh, yeah

I mean, I think he something went wrong at that downhill portion where the brakes didn't work If you catch my drift. Oh no. And he did catch a drift. Who do you work for? He caught quite a big drift actually. Around the corners and off into a lake. Thanks to Brittany Robinson. They call her Litany Brittany because she's always got a litany of offenses on a record. Oh, yeah We know a good lawyer kind of just yeah, just kind of they're expensive though Just kind of racking up offenses Charges faster than she can beat him. Oh my god, you know what like crud she'll get off like petty theft And by the time they've got a rock like the lawyers are congratulations. You're free

She's like not really while you were getting me off. I stole the judges dog And then she's back. She's never out of the dock. Does does theft scale are there terms for the scaling of theft? You know, you have like petty theft and then what I think that's the name of the game grand theft auto grand theft Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it does. It does a difference whether you steal And then what's the name of the game Grand Theft Auto Grand Theft. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it does. It does. There's a difference whether you steal the crown jewels versus. I want to know what the biggest. What's the biggest theft?

Cosmic theft. You know what? This is going to be something really cool. Galactic theft. That's what I want to go down for. Not all this break cut and shit. Maybe episode theft because you stole this double yes from out from my glass today. Yikes.

I didn't steal too hard because we didn't even get one. And lastly today to Benjamin Basque. Benjamin was hoping to bask in the glory of another double yes, but unfortunately, as Kit said, I stole it this week. He went for the slam dunk and I slapped it out of his hands. Shut down. So I'm sorry, Benjamin. Hopefully next week, if you're tuning in, we'll be able to deliver you that elusive double yes. Sorry, Benjamin. It's been real. Thank you so much for tuning into this paranormal life.

This Tuesday, we of course are cooking up the next batch of nonsense for you next week. We'll be back of course on Friday with the after party over on patreon.com forward slash this paranormal life and later in the month with the bonus episode. But Rory until then I say remember to live fast, investigate and die young baby. Young baby! Wendy's. It's ooey, gooey, and just five bucks for the small coffee all day long. Taxes extra at participating Wendy's until May 5th. Terms and conditions apply.