This Past Weekend - Chris Lilley | This Past Weekend #200

Episode Date: May 23, 2019

Subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts http://bit.ly/ThisPastWeekend_ Theo travelled all the way to Australia to sit down with someone who’s work he really admires, the creator of Summer Heights High, Jonah from Tonga, Ja'mie: Private School Girl, and most recently Lunatics which is now available on Netflix, Chris Lilley. Check out the trailer for “Lunatics” on Netflix. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXAlhtdkpCY Find Theo Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiEKV_MOhwZ7OEcgFyLKilw Producer Nick https://instagram.com/realnickdavis Music “Shine” - Bishop Gunn http://bit.ly/MakinIt_BishopGunn Gunt Squad www.patreon.com/theovon Name Aaron Jones Aaron Rasche Aaron Wayne Anselmi Adam White Alaskan Rock Vodka Alex Hitchins Alex Person Alex Petralia Alexa harvey Allison Jones Andrea Gagliani Andrew Valish Angelo Raygun Anthony Holcombe Anthony Schultz Arielle Nicole Ashley Konicki Audrey Harlan Audrey Hodge Ayako Akiyama Bad Boi Benny Ben Deignan Ben in thar.. Benjamin Herron Benjamin Streit Bobby Hogan Brad Moody Brandon Hoffman Brandon Kirkman Bubba Hodge Carla Huffman Casey Roberts Charles Herbst Christian Coyne Christina Christopher Stath Cody Cummings Cody Kenyon Cody Marsh COREY ASHMORE Crystal Dakota Montano Dan Draper Dan Perdue Daniel Chase Danielle Fitzgerald Danny Crook Danny Gill David Christopher David Smith Diana Morton Dionne Enoch Donald blackwell Doug Chee Drew Munoz Dusty Baker Faye Dvorchak Felicity Black Ginger Levesque Grant Stonex Greg Salazar Gunt Squad Gary J Garcia J.P. Jacob Rice Jamaica Taylor James Briscoe James Hunter Jameson Flood Jason Price Jeffrey Lusero Jenna Sunde Jeremy Johnson Jeremy Siddens Jeremy Weiner Jim Floyd Joaquin Rodriguez Joe Dunn Joel Henson Joey Piemonte John Kutch Johnathan Jensen Jon Blowers Jon Ross Jordan R Josh Cowger Josh Nemeyer Julie Ogden Justin Doerr Justin L justin marcoux Kaitlin Mak Kennedy Kenton call Kevin Best Kiera Parr Kirk Cahill kristen rogers Kyle Baker Lacey Ann Laszlo Csekey Lauren Williams Lawrence Abinosa Leighton Fields Madeline Garland Mandy Picke'l Marisa Bruno Matt Kaman Meaghan Lewis Meghan LaCasse Mike Mikocic Mike Nucci Mike Poe Mona McCune Nick Butcher Nick Lindenmayer Nick Roma Nick Rosing Nikolas Koob Noah Bissell OK Passenger Shaming PF24 Gang Gang Qie Jenkins Rachael Edwards Rachel Warburton Randal Ranger Rick Robert Mitchell Robyn Tatu Rohail Ryan Hawkins Ryan Walsh Sarah Anderson Scoot B. Scott Wilson Sean Scott Season Vaughan Secka Kauz Shane Pacheco Shannon potts Shona MacArthur Stefan Borglycke Suzanne O'Reilly Theo Wren Thomas Hunsell II Tim Greener Timothy Eyerman Todd Ekkebus Tom Cook Tom Kostya Tommy Frederick Travis Simpson Tugzy Mills Tyler Harrington (TJ) Victor Montano Victor S Johnson II Vince Gonsalves William Reid Peters Zeke HarrisSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Today's guest is One of the funniest people that I've ever seen. I'm so honored to be able to sit down with him today He is the guest that I've been trying to get I sent him a DM probably a year ago And I'm just I had to come to Australia to be able to sit down with him. He is the creator He's he's just creative. He has a new series on Netflix called lunatics he is he is the creator and the

lead of like nine different characters in Jonah from Tonga and Summer Heights High which are two of the most amazing Shows you might have to go a little deep into the internet to find them But I think you should Summer Heights High Jonah from Tonga his new Netflix series Lunatics and I'm just really happy to be sitting here with mr. Chris Lily. Yeah, dude, I actually had a dream dude Like a couple nights ago that you were We're at like a restaurant or something. It was like a fast dream and you were having like a maybe like a salad or something I don't know. Is that something you would eat? Well, what do you think you would even eat you think?

Well, I don't I don't eat mate, but yeah, oh, so you maybe within salad eight. Oh, I don't know what I ate Yeah, Mexican Mexican food. So maybe yeah, maybe it wasn't I think it was you it was pretty much you because I remember I was meeting you at this restaurant And because I was excited about meeting you and so I was meeting you at this restaurant Yeah, and then it kind of cut to Yeah, it looked like you were having like a salad or something Yeah, I wonder what made you think that did I look like because you don't know what I really look like you would be thinking of the characters and stuff. So yeah, some of them. I mean Yeah, I'm trying to think of what character maybe we'd be having like a salad maybe

Not all the Earl of Havenhurst that not that guy I He's gonna salad eight on He's a chaser. Yeah, and what's wrong with him? I feel like he's on the spectrum. Yeah, some sort the Tizm That's what they call it where I'm from other Tizm. Yeah, there's something going on Yeah, I don't know. He's like kind of a victim of like society a little bit you think well Does he do his own thing or is he like a

Yeah, I mean, I feel like he's like Aspirational it's like everyone wishes they had the balls to do the stuff that he does and say the stuff he does Yeah, but I think he gets away with it because he's a little bit unaware of how impactful it is Which yeah, maybe that's the spectrum thing. Yeah, it's kind of a blessing to to be a little bit unaware Yeah, once you get too aware stuff's not that fun a lot of times Yeah, I think I think people want to bet him. That's why it kind of works. Yeah. Oh Yeah, I do a little bit. I think I was I wish I was a bit more like him

Just feel us. Huh? Yeah, and his little cousin too. What's a guy's name Dylan? Yeah How great was it to work with that kid? He's a cool kid. Yeah, he just kept laughing at me You could see some scenes Where it cuts away from him, I noticed because he's just gonna start laughing Yeah, it was well because we just keep rolling. I think he didn't quite know when we were on or not Yes, but he's a really great kid But he picked up on a lot of the language and he started like ad-libbing and throwing in like oh, that's great See words and stuff. So had to kind of pull him back a bit. Oh, he's starting to get crazy, huh? Yeah, but

Yeah, he was just having fun That's great. There was a it must be fun to see that as like a and we're talking about lunatics for people that haven't checked it out It must be great to see like in the beginning a guy like Dylan an actor like him kind of you know Learning his way, but by the end him starting to get that confidence and stuff. Is that pretty cool to see as a director? Yeah, I was unreal There's a lot of scenes where we drive off in this little Yeah, and I had to like pull out the audio because as we drove off he was like fuck slow down Yeah, I can't like swear

Swearing at me and just like he was just he got into it so much. That's crazy Yeah, I wanted him to be a bit more mute. So yeah, pull him out pull the audio out You had to take him aside sometimes a little a little bit But I just usually these people that we cast you kind of just roll with whatever you've you've got like you've You've chosen them for a reason and you just make the best of what they have rather than trying to shape them too much Yeah, and do you do or most of your casting as well? Yeah, well, I choose all the people that I'm I have a really great team of casting people that find them They literally got find them off the street

They walk around the streets and find them or they'll just like rock up to schools or whatever It's they'll go anywhere Yeah, because it's so specific the kind of people we need that you have to like search far and wide Yeah, it must be that it seems like you almost need Like kind of a garden you set up a garden and you're kind of the the rabbit in a way so it's like every the other people are still amazing people and humans and everything but it's almost Does that make any sense to you? It's almost like you have to have a place to put where your Creativity just is it be able to kind of flow through the yeah the the slalom poles of the other characters

Yeah, that's it. That's exactly it And it takes a while to find those people also you don't because they're real people I mean not all of them some of them have some acting experience, but a lot of them are real people and They're they behave a certain way in the audition and then when you're on set it's kind of like oh shit There's Chris Lee. Oh, he's in a wig. He's wearing at me and they kind of become a bit different So you kind of have to adapt to the new version of them. Mmm Because you can't talk them back into the regular versions sometimes it's kind of hard, I guess I try to a little bit, but then it makes them lose confidence. So

Sometimes I'm like I'll fix it in the edit But I mean they do that the great thing about that is then you get these magic moments where they just They do these things that actors never do like any like shit. That's so real and good and Yeah, is it hard for you sometimes when you know a moment like that is because I can imagine they're probably Times were in a scene. You know a moment just happened. That was so perfect that it's like Is it hard sometimes to You're you able to notice those as they happen kind of sometimes? Yeah, you're in it you Yeah, you see it when it happens. Yeah, and then a part of me is also like watching the cameras

And I've told those guys what to do while they're doing things I can see the way the cameras are moving at the same time like oh shit They covered it awesome. Got that. Yeah, like because we have two cameras rolling at the same time and Yeah, it's a weird thing and I can sort of I'm editing it in my head as I'm doing the scene I don't know. I'm not trying to make myself sound. No, it doesn't sound like you're I'm just like it's a weird process And you're like, oh shit, that's gonna work. Yeah, cool. I only covered that and then I'll cut there. It's that's exciting Well, there's not a lot of people that do that have ever done really kind of what you what you do, you know, it's rare It's extremely rare. I think man like I

Don't know. I mean Ari and I were talking about yesterday that does like You know in the US we have who's that guy Ari? Yeah, a little bit of Sasha Baron Cohen, but his some of his stuff is a little more mean-spirited I think where Yours is just kind of like this World that is just so It's all about fun. It seems like a lot of times Is that the vibe on set or does it get sometimes a little bit? Too mad like you have to manage so much that it's hard to stay in the fun stuff

It's probably more it's a little bit more serious, but it's pretty relaxed and kind of peaceful. It's it's a really quiet Thoughtful kind of set like it's not Yeah, that's not people aren't like often you have like a first first AD that We'll be yelling at everyone, but in our world. It's just very peaceful and he talks quietly and It's just about getting those moments because I've thought it through so much before we get on set Mm-hmm that I just know I need these little moments. So It's not like everyone's laughing their heads off the whole time. Yeah, you kind of know like you sort of You know how it's gonna come together

Yeah, it's it's more like peaceful than hilarious on set. Yeah do um Do you feel like Like recently I was thinking about like what makes Like why laughter is like important to me kind of you know or what like it's always been to me in my life like and sometimes I was thinking that You know, I feel like laughter. It's like It was like when people were laughing when I was young

It was like the only time that I kind of felt okay like for some reason in my head I was always kind of judging myself or I thought other people thought something was wrong with me You know and so I knew if they were laughing then they couldn't be like Not liking me at the same time or something, you know, like if I have those people laughing There's no way they could be laughing, you know See seeing their smile and hearing the joy come out of them and also not liking me So it was like a second of like peace in my in my head or in my spirit or something Do you what it what is laughter kind of been like for you or the or the ability to make people laugh like what's something?

Do you have any thoughts on any of that from your own experience in life? Yeah? I mean, it's so it's everything like I every friendship I have it's a bit about laughing and making jokes about things and just yeah I'm not really friends with serious people. So it's like it's everything. It's like so fun to just Even friends that I just text. It's just all jokes like and it's not like we're like, you know, it's yeah Everything's funny. It's just about seeing the funny side of everything Yeah, similar thing like growing up. I just knew that there was a sort of power in the idea of making the family laugh and I think I feel like you're the youngest as well as something like are you the youngest I have a older brother Yeah, so I'm the youngest. I've got two two older brothers and sister. So I remember going a little one then. Yeah

And so when I was like usually the drug addict is a little one. Oh, yeah. Well, there's time for that There's time for that. Um, but it's yeah, I remember just being like five and then my brother and sister were actually born in the same year Same year January December. But anyway, they were like I thought you meant like May and July. No, um, still it's like that's close. Um, and I think they call it Irish twins Yeah Well, I was supposed to be triplets to someone told me once Yeah, and I wasn't it's just me which is crazy because I've always felt like there was something else out there for me, you know How did they do an ultrasound? The doctor said that

Were the other ones in there at one point? I don't know told my mom that it was triplets whenever they were going in there and then nothing just me Can you have two that don't make it and one comes out? My mom would have told me I've always secretly thought I was a twin and that my mom is keeping it a secret and I like hit her up with that a couple of years ago And she had a like a flinch on if she sort of reacted when I said it So you think maybe it could be something There could be something there's yeah, but I don't know if that's possible. I don't know much about babies

Well, mom's like to keep secrets. I think when it comes to stuff like that, like about birth and like, you know, family history and stuff I think they don't like to share all of that Yeah, I guess it's in there die. It was more of a you just went off and did it and didn't talk about it Yeah, they used to sometimes they'd take a car down to you know, maybe Byron Bay or something, you know And just have a baby down there and come back and never even have a baby Yeah, just back always, you know, kind of fat for a bit Yeah, just into the toilet or whatever Yeah, that's it

But I mean, yeah people back in the day you drive off to another town Boston and give the kid to a charity or something Come back, you know, it was this true. Yeah, I wasn't a long ago. I was like that 50 years maybe Yeah The only thing my mom said once because I talked I was talking about how this circumference of my head is really big I was like, I've got a massive head and I have to get extra large hats and she's like and she was like Yeah, I remember So apparently it was a big head when it came out Oh, I bet that never leaves him either

Yeah, I don't think about that The pain of that. Yeah, that's true man And is your mom still alive? Yeah Oh good, yeah, let's think about it later when she's not Yeah, she brought it up Oh, well then you're safe man So you had the two older, yeah, the two older siblings

Um, yeah, although I was gonna say like they were like kind of pre No, they would have been like teenagers when I was about five and they're kind of stressing out The parents are stressing out about them because they're the eldest and they have to like There was a kind of stressy vibe going on And I remember just doing stupid gags and making the family laugh Which mostly involved me like getting my dick out Yeah That's a huge thing

Yeah, that was big when I was about five So there's a lot of dick jokes going on And I bet it was fun for them too to see a kid just partying with his dick out and not like in an illegal way You know, just a... Yeah, it was fun Yeah man, actually when I was born I had like an adult sized penis on a child's body Did you? Yeah, and so they had like I couldn't even sleep at night, it would hurt my back

You know, to sleep because I'd lay on it You know, babies lay face down Did you just grow into it or has it grown like before? No, I grew into it I grew past it actually Oh, right And that was kind of disappointing Oh, I see now

Yeah, okay, now it's a child size Yeah, now it's well, it's I mean it's you know, like a healthy kind of teenager size, you know Oh, yeah I think, I think I haven't shown it to any anybody I haven't seen a lot of teenagers dicks, but I can imagine Yeah You think... I guess at five years old your dick is like your greatest wet, it's like the coolest thing you've ever known

It's the best thing out of it Yeah How great is that? Four times a day It's so fun Yeah It's still fun, it's like, yeah And people laugh at it, my family thought it was hilarious

Yeah Oh, yeah, that's great Yeah There's a lot of photos of it Oh, that's crazy Do you, I remember it, sometimes I'll be honest, I would lay in the water in the bathtub, right? And just pee straight up in the air onto myself Yeah, same

Oh, that's really good It was good, man I just saw, oh, you know what? I just saw the scene last night I was up watching Lunatics of the one Where the, your character, the large buddy realistic guy when he urinates his mouth Yeah, yeah, he loves that When he's showing the girl Paige, when she's sitting down He thinks it's amazing

Yeah And it is Like It was good, man, it was exciting But yeah, I remember being, it was so much fun when you were young, man Yeah, making the family laugh, that is definitely a thing And then you just become a big version of that, I guess Yeah

Yeah Did you, did you realize like, because I remember when I was young I would make kids at school laugh, you know But I never realized that it would be able to translate into doing it like on a stage and stuff, you know In a bigger environment Yeah Did that kind of happen for you? Like, was there a part where you realized like Because it's kind of scary to think that one of your talents, something you do

Could be like a marketable talent, it's almost like a Yeah It's almost cheesy, yeah, it ruins it a little bit, it's like Yeah But then you're like, I can have a normal job or I can do this cool thing and Yeah Yeah, it's sort of worth it Do you know like a lot of your characters have they been with you since you were young

Or some of them are brand new, some of them are things you just see off of people on the street And you're like, oh, I could do that guy Yeah, it's usually a combination of like things that, of ideas that you collect over a really long period So it's not like it's ever one person or one thing you've seen Sometimes it's like a leftover concept from another show And that's the kind of start of something But then it just evolves along the way It's sort of out of, I feel like it's out of my control as well

Like it kind of, without trying to like stand in like a way and go It sort of, it comes alive and I don't really have that much control of it It's like, you put the things in place, you know what they're going to look like And there's the story, but the way they kind of move and the way they sound And everything, it just comes together literally on the first day when we're on set Because I had an idea for all the hair and stuff But then the hair guy was like, well, why don't you try this? And it kind of evolved really differently

But you don't get to see all the elements together until literally like boom on the first day Like that Quentin character, the first thing we filmed was around the pool when he's having his 30th party And I didn't really know what he was going to sound like Like I kind of, I knew the character, I knew what he was about But he really just came alive in that moment Like around the pool with his mates and they're all going out And yeah, I was like, okay, this is who he is But sometimes people don't get that and they often say to me, I really like the voice

Or like, I just love how she moves or something I'm like, how am I moving? I didn't, I haven't noticed it Oh, I see, like those things weren't even part of the plan No, I haven't practiced, I'm not, I don't stand in front of a mirror doing this kind of thing It just, it really just comes alive on the day It sounds strange, but it's It doesn't sound that strange to me, I can understand a little bit Yeah, well, I've thought about it a lot and I know what the story is and I know what they're going to say

And the scripted lines and everything, but it, the combo of everything comes together on the day, yeah Like that, the Gavin character, he was sitting on his bed back at the Adelaide house And started talking, but I was like, this is kind of how kids talk, I think And it was really slow and I was like, it didn't have the rhythm of something that should be funny But I was like, I think it's better to just make it real, like make it exactly how I think 12 year old boys talk And that'll ultimately be funnier than trying to be kind of quirky and have that funny rhythm that people usually do Yeah, because some of that I'm noticing in some of that it's like, there's something like going for the joke And then there's something like, I trust that this will be funny later and I just have to let it, yeah

Like sometimes there's a moment I notice in myself where it's like, there's a little thing that goes on my head It's like, if I don't say anything else or make another sound or another movement right here, then this is going to land really, really good But if I do anything else, if I look or move or anything or say one more word, it pops the balloon So I can imagine there's some unique moments where you're doing those characters where you probably really land in like a special spot You're like, oh, this is a good spot for this character right now Yeah And so cool, man, because it's just such a, because then the reward is all for the audience The reward is all, you know, they're going to love it, you know

It's so cool, man The hard thing is you have to really block out trying to impress the people around you, like the crew and the cast If the moment's awkward and not funny, it's okay because it'll come together later But yeah, it's sometimes you have to really remember it's not about pleasing the people around you, it's about the end result Yeah So you get over that and just, yeah No, it's interesting, man, it's a... Yeah, because then it's interesting because part of which, or what I always noticed with my original thing was to make the people around me laugh

Yeah So it's then whenever you're taping something, sometimes you have to sacrifice that Yeah To know that it's going to make, it's going to play better in this other way Yeah, I think when you were saying making this kid's laugh at school I used to do that, but in a more kind of thought out, planned way Like I wasn't the class clown, the loud kid, but I would plan out a thing like a funny scripted thing that I was going to just do If I had to do a speech, I would write out something really funny and then I just get up and do something kind of shockingly funny

Rather than I wasn't the kid yelling shit out from up the back Yeah In primary school days, I remember like you had to, I don't know, drawings and stuff, I'd always do something really funny that incorporated like some in-joke about the teacher or something But it was planned out, it wasn't sort of the loud funny guy thing Yeah Which seems to be what I like to do Yeah, I was never the class clown, I was never like a physical, I was never physical, I was always like in my head, I was like, oh this would be a time, I was a verbal I was more verbal than I was physical

Yeah, I still wanted the people around me to laugh, like I loved it that you get up and do the speech and they laugh, it was so fun Do you remember sometimes the fact that they would even continue to let you go back up to the front of the class after you'd already been funny other times? Yeah And ruin the teacher's day and she's again going to let you go up and do anything Yeah The teachers just secretly they're like kind of bored and wondering what they're doing with their lives and they're like, hang on, this is gonna, this will be like a little wrong but it'll entertain me Yeah Sometimes there was no like educational kind of content in what I was saying but the teachers would give me full marks, they'd be like, you made my day

And you just, yeah it's awesome I started to work out that if you actually pretended to be the teachers so I'd get up and do like speeches as them and um They would get keen to it Or some other kind of controversial teacher at the school and it was like, it can't leave the classroom but I said this Yeah That was fun That's fun man, it was so fun being young like that just to be free, you know Yeah, it was good

Yeah And there was no, it didn't have to lead to anything, it was just that moment of being funny and then you'd be thinking about that forever Yeah and then reenacting with your friends or talking about how funny it was, that was so much better, now it's all captured So it kind of, it spoils it some Yeah and it gets judged for weird reasons and analyzed too much I guess Yeah Well that's one of the cool things that's been about podcasts, it's like all, that shit is dying in the US like all of that like Because there was no fan base for it, it was just like clickbait online, you know, there was no real, you know, people judging stuff, it was just

Losers sitting around at home with not just on their computers and people, lonely people writing articles, it wasn't actual funny people who like to laugh Expressing themselves because they're busy, living their lives Yeah But now it's like, with podcasting so many more people are just having a good time again And so much less judgmental, in the US anyway, I'm noticing it growing But I don't know if it's the same here probably Yeah I guess it would be, it seems to be getting really huge the whole podcasting and I can see why Yeah, it's uncensored and you really feel like you get to know the person you're listening to

Yeah I think it's good Did you, so when you made your family laugh when you were young, did you make like your mother and father laugh too or no? Yeah, yeah, they were the main ones laughing Oh really? Yeah That's cool Was it fun to make your parents laugh? Like who was the funnest to make laugh in your family?

Probably my oldest brother, yeah And I mean he would make me laugh, like so we had a kind of, and still does, like we had a good thing together Yeah One of my favorite things that he did when I was little was, I used to go to bed really early and he was a teenager so he would stay up But it was really dark and he used to sneak in my room and like jump on my bed and pretend that he was my Chinese mother And did this like ridiculous stereotypical accent But the whole concept was that the Chinese mother used to sneak in at night to try to steal me back Because I was actually a Chinese kid that had had an operation to make my eyes wide

And then he'd do the whole like, I can't do the accent, I'll get in trouble, but Here, I'll do it, let me try, okay? Oh, you're coming home! There it is Yeah, this is your Chinese mother Anyway, he used to do that and then he'd run out of the room and then he'd come back in as himself And he'd be like, oh Chris, there was this Chinese woman running down the driveway, she seemed really freaked out And I'd have to pretend I didn't know anything about it

And it used to make me laugh so much He did a lot of those, but my Chinese mother was one of my favorites That's so cool that he did that because then it leaves you, because then he goes to bed or whatever And it leaves you in your bed laying there with this expansive idea of what can be funny There's a woman out in the world that's a fake woman There's your brother who's just asleep in the other room, there's you laying there with your eyes and your spirit wide open It was so exciting I'm still thrilled by it

I mean, that's an example of him being hilarious to me So I think it kind of got me excited about those ideas Do you think that humor creates a special bond between family members and stuff like that? Yeah, definitely I kind of imagine people that don't find things funny That's my whole relationship with the family is everything's a joke I messaged my mom like every day and it's always something funny Yeah, I mean there's lots of in-jokes and sort of funny stories

But yeah, it definitely bonds people together Do you guys, does your family have a good regular connection as well? And then you also have the humor connection? Or is the humor connection kind of like a... Does it kind of suffice for you guys is the way you guys kind of emotionally connect to each other If that's something that's a bizarre question or not Yeah, I think, yeah, it's not two things It's like we talk about regular stuff but it always has a bit of a funny take

And it's that kind of piss-take Australian humor thing where you're kind of like putting someone down Yeah Yeah, my mom's thing is about how she's to say we're all thick, like not very smart And so that's her whole thing is that she, in the family, she's the one that had the thick kids Especially after hearing about how thick your head was Oh, yeah She should have known out of the gate this one's going to be a bit thicker than most Yeah, so she still runs with that angle that like we're really stupid

She's not wrong She must be really proud of you, huh? Yeah, I think she's really into it Yeah, she's... She, yeah, really appreciates it and I think so We don't really talk about it in that way so much Yeah She's always telling me people that she works with and friends and stuff that are loving it

So I think she's into it That's cool, that must be, yeah, for a mom that's pretty cool Yeah, my mom said she wore a t-shirt on mine Because my mom first came to Sony, she hadn't seen me performing about five years until a couple of weeks ago And she, um... I gave her just like a merch t-shirt, you know She was just enamored by She talks about it every day now

And it's got your head on it It's pretty lame, but she likes it, you know Yeah And she wore it somewhere and some young guy came up and said something to her And, uh... Yeah, it's just like the most... Yeah, there's something for me anyway about making my mom feel proud that really just like Makes me feel okay, you know

Makes me feel like a different level of okay than I'm normally able to make on my own, you know Because the kind of thing we do, it takes a while to get to the level where it's like your job and it's perceived as a successful thing So there's many years where I'm sure parents are like, what the fuck am I doing? Like, I fucked this up Yeah, what am I doing? I gave birth to this thick-headed baby and now he's out here Doing dirty riddles, what's going on? Yeah, I shouldn't have laughed at the dick jokes

Yeah Um, but yeah, so I had a similar thing with my mom There's the character Jamay, the schoolgirl The first time I played her, I sent a photo to my mom going, this is what I'm doing And she was like, what the fuck? Like, this is wrong, because it's like, my son's dressed up as a young girl, it's really weird And she said, her reply to me was, I won't be showing that around at work And then, when the show came out, it was like really popular in Australia

And my mom bought a t-shirt with Jamay on it and she was walking around wearing the t-shirt with me on it I was like, oh, you changed the tune She's like, oh, once I saw the show She's into it now She is Sorry to interrupt the episode, but I gotta let you know that if you need a snack right now Maybe some taquitos or maybe an ice cream, you know, or a tiramisu Anytime, anywhere, even Ibuprofen at 10am, you can postmate it

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And I was so shocked when I saw it and I was like, oh my god This is like everything I've ever wanted to laugh at in one space And I couldn't believe that I hadn't just been known about it And how did you find out about it? Somebody said, hey man, you have to watch this And then I heard it again like a week later from somebody just randomly And then I was like, okay, this thing's coming into my little universe And I gotta know about it

And it, oh dude Cause that show, I made that in Australia for our local network And I just never thought it would go beyond Australia Really? The fact that you're watching it in America a year ago, it spins me out Like, that I could imagine I could imagine that a decade later or something if you have something that's still swirling And even blowing people's minds, it blew my mind

It was like, I never seen anything like this since I was a kid And they had a show called In Living Color when I was young That was really big in the States But yeah, to this day I think it's probably the funniest You know, and going off into that series, you know, with Mr. G and the other character Like, Jenner from Tongue Just looking at my dick, just the whole, just so many fucking It's everything that I felt like was funny to me as a human, you know

And I couldn't express it And so somebody had captured this ability to just make it perfect, man Yeah, somebody will just really get it Yeah Does it make you laugh? I mean, I never go back and watch anything that I really do have done But does it make you laugh sometimes? Sometimes a character, like, the voice of one of them will pop in your head

Yeah It makes you feel good Definitely, like, because if you have a look at Instagram And people make all these memes and little videos And the thing is, I forget that I've done stuff But I relive it through those videos and things Someone sent me a Jermay one the other day And I was like, shit, that's funny

I was losing my shit a bit Yeah, it was just Jermay having to go at the principle for not giving her the Hilford Medal I don't know if you've seen that show, but yeah So her whole thing is that they've given it to a fat lesbian border And she's really, like, can't believe And she says, yeah, I'm, like, the hottest student to ever grace your fucking playground And I don't know, just for some reason that line made me laugh But yeah, I do laugh at it

I love it Yeah I don't, yeah, some of the old stuff It's not like you sit around and laugh at it, not in an ego way But that's, I mean, that's just a testament to how entertaining it is I think that it can even come back and make you laugh, you know Yeah And that's okay

It's, you know, it's cool Sometimes there'll be a moment I'll see in a joke I'll, you know, I'll see online or something And I'll be like, dude, that got me, man That guy did a good job It's not like I'm thinking I did a good job Yeah It's kind of like I'm thinking that guy did a good job

That's a good way to explain it Yeah, I feel like I'm not responsible for that So yeah, I'm not bragging when I say that It's like, oh, that person was funny Yeah, it's hard to keep our ego out It's, uh, are you, are you mind cutting on the AC for a second? Or just cutting it on over there? It's on that wall

Just put it at like 19, yeah, if you don't mind, bud Oh, and always the open or two, he's a, he's a, well, that's what he is He's a comedian, but he's like the best, yeah He's been, uh Are you guys on tonight? A real champ, yeah If you want to jump on stage, man, you and me You want to welcome to practice something

Oh, what? People would lose their minds though, huh? Is it hard being like a legend in your country? Must be, is it kind of scary sometimes a little bit? It is a little bit, but I'm pretty low key and I don't do any press and stuff So I'm not kind of known as like me as myself So, um, I can kind of walk down the street But at the moment, because the lunatics thing's been really big

I do get stopped a lot and it's a bit full on Yeah It's a little bit of a like paparazzi thing that happens here, which can be a bit, it's just scary It's just scares me It's scary Like I, you know, I don't care The fact it's just me walking around the streets and stuff But the photos are not that weird

But, um, it's scary when you see them and you hear the camera and stuff It freaks me out What does that mean? Oh, hear the camera, people show up, yeah Oh, yeah, the pap thing, yeah Yeah But, um, yeah, it's scary if I go to an event or something And people are all hyped up and excited and you're like, shit, where, how am I going to get away from this?

Um, yeah, sometimes it just, it can be a bit full on Yeah, it's interesting how, uh, is it been tough for you to like Was there moments in your career where you've had to like battle your own ego? Like one thing I noticed for myself is my ego It's kind of a separate animal than me, you know, it lives inside of me And it's like, it can be a victim to all the things that go on in the world You know, you know, it's kind of like a sugar lizard, I call it Like it'll just, you know, it just goes for the sugar all the time

It's just the way it's built Have you had any, and recently I've had to just make sure to myself like start to do some meditation Is just make sure to just keep my mind and focus on what's going on My job is just to make people laugh and not get caught up in anybody else's ideas of what I am Um, do you have any, do you have any thoughts about that during your career Or notice any stuff about your own ego or anything? Um, I think like, I'm more the opposite, like I kind of can't get my head around the interest in it And I don't know, I probably should be more confident about it

I'm just probably a bit down on myself about the whole thing Um, yeah, if ever I, there's like TV awards nights and I go to those and like, what am I doing here? Like, I'm not part of this, like who are these people? I don't know, and I'm not saying that to be, I'm so super humble, whatever, it's just genuinely my thing I'm not, yeah, I don't have that ego Is it a discomfort? So say you're at a thing like that, right? Because if I go to something like that in Los Angeles, I feel uncomfortable Oh yeah

Like I feel like, yeah, I don't know, I feel like maybe these people are judging me Or I just feel some sort of uncomfortable, which is kind of fine with me It's kind of, some of the uncomfort is what keeps me in a place where I feel like I'm able to be funny anyway Um, is that the kind of thing you feel or you just feel like, oh, this isn't my vibe or do you, like if you go to something kind of fancy, is there? Yeah, I think because there's, I feel like there's an expectation for me to be a little piece of the show So I feel like when I'm at those things, people like, can you make us feel the way that we do when we watch you dressed up in the show? And I'm like, that's, that's not what I do But like, I knew that you would get it, that's why I like talking to you, but normally I don't do those kind of interviews and things

Or go on TV talk shows and stuff because I know that there'll be that expectation I see what you're saying Yeah, well, I'm so grateful that you, that we're able to do this, man Yeah, I just couldn't believe I could be such a fan of something, I've never been a fan of anything that much in my whole life It's almost bizarre, dude I was like, man, I'm such a, like what's going on with me, dude? I thought I was going to go through like a second puberty or something, you know? I thought I was going to sprout another dick or something, you know, or another beard or something on my neck

You know, I thought it was pretty cool, you just, yeah, it just made me laugh so much, man Oh, good, that's like the best thing ever, like to know that Isn't it fun making people laugh? It's crazy, isn't it? It's the best, yeah, it's so good Well, that's the whole drive and the reason that we're doing it It's just to make people feel that thing Yeah, I mean, you want them to feel a lot of things, you want them to be just excited and inspired and kind of maybe sad sometimes or all sorts of things But the main thing you want them to do is just laugh and find it really funny

Yeah, that's cool Yeah, it is cool, man, there's something It's so funny laughter because people shake and they make a noise and it's such a, it's almost like you're like Harry Potter It's not like you're Harry Potter, but the process of it is, the result of it, it's almost like it's like a magic or something, you know? Yeah, it's very weird I mean, you would have that immediate thing, you're standing in front of people and they're making noises and shaking their bodies at you Yeah, that's true, you get it more immediate on stage, that's right, I forget you because you, it says online you did stand up Yeah, I did start doing that, that's sort of how I got into it

Did you find that it wasn't your medium kind of doing it? Did you find like, because I'm sure you learned from it like, okay, this is this, but did you then find, okay, I work better in this other realm? Yeah, I think I prefer doing TV, but that was how I got into it, that was the stepping stone because I would stand, there's nothing better than, there's no better way of reaching Like, creating something and reaching people than stand up because you're just, you're thinking of everything, you're standing there saying it, it's reaching them immediately Everything else has layers of stuff that takes away from that, so I found it a really good way to start things And that's then that morphed into me doing characters on stage I mean, I always did characters back in school days and my whole life just always did characters But then stand up, I did the more traditional thing and then I moved into that like annoying singing songs stand up And then I was like, actually, I'm just gonna do characters

Also, I'd get on stage and I'd talk about a person, a type of person and then I'd sort of spin around and become that person And I was like, oh, this is the thing that's working, like, yeah And then started to make little short films and things about those characters and then that spun me off into TV So, yeah, I definitely did it for a little while and it was, you gotta have balls to do that though It's like so scary just to jump up in front of people Yeah, you get used to it, but at first Well, I think what's scary to me is to make a character and like put it on Instagram or put it on social media or put it on that to me feels so scary for some reason Like, there are parts of me that I think would love to do it, you know?

I want you to do it, you should do that Yeah, I'd have to, but for some reason that is so scary to me as opposed to getting up in front of people is much less scary Yeah, I guess it's just anything you get used to it It's like, if you're scared of flying, you do it all the time and suddenly you're not, it's like that Well, you know what I think it is, Chris Mann is, for me, if they're there live, then I know immediately For me to give something to a place and let it be seen and not be able to be there and know if they're there laughing Yeah That for me, there's some fear in that, like, I need to be right there to know if they laugh or not

I'm okay almost if they don't, it'll hurt me, but to put it somewhere like in a television and let them see it But not be able to actually be there and see them as they see it and know if they laugh Yeah That's something that's really like, to me, very uncomfortable Yeah, okay And that thing with TV also is it's expensive to make it, so there's a lot of expectation on it And a lot of kind of build up and hype and people love to say that you failed at it So there's this real, like, expectation thing

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Like get in a movie with like Meryl Streep and shit Yeah, that would be so dope dude, I think I'm already acting Anyway That would be so dope to see you in Bridges of Madison County too Oh yeah That would be the most legendary shit ever I'd just be laughing the whole time Imagine doing a scene with Meryl Streep, that would be hard work

But to me she's pretty though, there's always about her, because she had like a motherly thing and also like a womanly thing Yeah, yeah, she's a gilf Yeah, she's like a perfect storm, like I'd breastfeed off her definitely Absolutely Who's someone you breastfeed you think off of that's over the age of 60? Judy Dench, do you know who that is? No, I'm just thinking if someone over 60, I don't know if I want it breastfed Is she a Dame Judy Dench?

Yeah, sorry, I've left off the title yet She's a religious figure or she's a... She's an actress Oh, she's an actress Yeah, no I don't want to suck her, what breastfade her Yeah Shit, who was there? It was Betty White, but she's so old

Yeah, I mean I definitely would go there, but not with Betty Yeah But... I'd put a straw in the tit I think now that I think about it, if it's really old You'd have to Yeah, I'm not going yet Anything over 50, I don't think I'll put my lips on, and I just, you know, would be a bit nervous probably Yeah

Not very straight Now your character Becky I think is probably one of my favorite ones I think Especially when they made Fun of her in the dorm, like I could really relate to that And that's as far as I am on the show, I'm just through, I think I'm now through episode 3 maybe Of Lunatics And some of it I find myself having to go back because there's more... There's a lot going on sometimes, so it's almost like I have to listen to the wording again Like to hear everything you're saying

Yeah Um... But we're... What's up with Becky? How's she doing today? Is she doing okay? She's never going to be that okay, like she's got a pretty difficult situation Um, I just like the idea that... She's basically kind of has a disability and everyone's ignoring it and pretending she's just the tall girl And she's got a lot of issues and her family just have told her how amazing she is

And if they do the right thing, they've given her this false confidence So at the point when we meet her, she's kind of faking it so much But she's just a bundle of insecurity and as the show goes on she gets really involved in becoming a YouTube vlogger So she gets this confidence boost out of all her followers online and things start to take off And so she's just... it's that young girl being so insecure and just... there's no way she's not an attractive girl She's got a really... she's got massive legs She can barely walk And being too, the ankles are very big

Massive ankles And they get bigger it seems like in some of the scenes Um, you're the first person to say that They don't get bigger that I think there's just more shots of them Okay, because there's a couple scenes where it looks like she put on about 40 pounds in each ankle Yeah, no, she just has some bad outfits But she just is never going to be the popular girl and all the kind of... she's always going to struggle in life And I just like that concept that the dorm life is just... everyone is just relentlessly attacking her every episode

She just is bullied I don't know why I found that funny but... Yeah Because it's actually quite tragic But to me it's funny She hits her head a lot on things Oh yeah Well it's so grateful her dad came and put her

You know Oh yeah, the poor dad He loves her Yeah, that's it He does his best, he's a busy dad though, he does his best And how can you relate to two girls if you're a dad, it's probably hard Yeah, and he had the perfect daughter and then the kind of freaky daughter So he kind of has tried to compensate for it by being super nice

But you can only build someone's confidence up so much Yeah And the reality is she's going to have a hard time Um I'm curious to see now man, now I'm even more invested in the character Yeah, she has a bit of a love interest thing With a basketball guy I'm guessing No, don't tell me, don't tell me

I'm gonna tell you that Okay, don't tell me She just wants to be a normal girl And it's a struggle Yeah That was a lot of fun I guess everybody had that, did you have like... Was there anything like, I have like a big nose, I have big ears kind of

Like those are things I was insecure about when I was growing up That always like, and a nose is hard because you fucking have to show it to everybody, you know Yeah, it's there Yeah I think I also have a big nose and big ears Is that what you think? I don't think about ears that much, but now you've made me think about it Sorry

Yeah, so... Yeah, you seem like you have a normal look to me Nah, it's a big nose and big ears But when you're a teenager, all that stuff is so much bigger on your face anyway Yeah And you had the big dick thing too Oh, yeah, thank God I had that, but nobody wanted to hear about that after the big nose and ears They were like, yeah, sure, God

Nobody gets all three big, you know Yeah No Nobody's that much of a legend Yeah Yeah, man, I'm trying to think of what else really So you don't have any pets? Oh, you do have pets, you said I don't have pets, but I have two rainbow arcades that come to visit me every day

And it's the same ones you said? Yeah, the same two, because one has like a squashed up foot, like an injured foot Oh, yeah, like somebody from Game of Thrones kind of I'll show you the photo, because he's my screensaver on my phone But yeah, they're really friendly birds, they're a big thing here in Australia, like everyone loves them I think everyone loves them, they've got good personalities Do you think that they know that you're on Telly and everything like that or no? I thought about that, I reckon they might be onto it

But literally I go away for months and I come back and they're there But yeah, because they literally come into my house and get in my sink and walk Oh, wow They land on the edge of my laptop, they've seen me naked Oh, wow They're really intimate They're artistic, it sounds like Yeah

They sound like photographers, they almost sound like a little bit of Well, yeah, maybe they are taking some photos, I don't know I did cross my mind that maybe, because there's some other like famous people who live in the area Like Hugh Jackman's got a place down in Bondi Oh, wow And I've always thought maybe the birds, they're going to him Because sometimes they come to mine and they've got this powdery shit on their nose And I'm like, is Jackman feeding them and then they're coming to me

Yeah Or are they doing cocaine down by Jackman's? Well, yeah Yeah They're like, grabbing up down there by Jackman's and then they're like, powder on their nose Yeah I could see that, man A lot of birds, everybody thinks they're doing good shit all the time

That's a crazy thing, man Yeah, these are smart birds, so it wouldn't surprise me Dude, I remember like when I was growing up, they have, in America they have a disease, it's called Down syndrome, you know And it's like people have like a, it's kind of like People just, I don't know what it is really, but They had a good buddy of mine when I was young that had it, you know And so we were children, you know, and we were good friends And

I remember People always thought that he was, and he would do, we would go drink alcohol sometimes And like he would do, you know, steal shit, just regular kid shit And people thought that he was always doing like, only sweet stuff Like he always got the benefit of the doubt Yeah You know People always thought like, oh, he's probably doing a puzzle or something

You know, he's with his grandparents, like, and he fucking was and he was Yeah He was raising hell, you know It's like some things like birds or whatever, they always get the benefit of the doubt, you know Yeah, we need to analyze that more carefully, yeah Just because you got colored feathers doesn't mean like you're not a dickhead Yeah, it doesn't mean you're not really raising hell somewhere Yeah

They could be somewhere doing who knows what I like to, I like to follow them I bought a drone and my thought was I'm gonna like fly it off the balcony and follow the lorikeets But they're so fast, the lorikeets are so fast Plus, as soon as they hear the drone they fly So it hasn't worked so far Because they have a nest and they have babies and stuff Because they always bring their baby to me when they've had one

Oh my god, this is definitely a game of thrones kind of I wanted to take the drone and find out where the nest was Imagine that Yeah You're fucking watching them, following them Yeah You could have had like a virtual reality drone And then I could go to the nest and like reach out

Yeah, spend time there Like I would feel like I was flying with them Daddy's home, yeah Oh, I'm a Chinese woman coming to get you in the middle of the night, that's what you do with the babies Yes, I'm the baby's Chinese mother, yeah I like that Wouldn't that be crazy man, if one day you wake up like in heaven or something And you come to and you just look in the mirror and you're an actual Chinese woman

I would love, that would be amazing I don't know if I'd love that, I'd be so surprised Is that what happens, you go to heaven and the real you is revealed I bet there has to be some sort of revelation or some sort of like an exposure Almost like you expose a photo where you see, oh this is Yeah, you thought you got away with this, this is the real thing Yeah, this is what was going on, you were fucking around, you know You were playing with these birds on the balcony in the head, you know

Yeah, cameras in their eyes Yeah Yeah, you were feeding birdseed to a camera for fucking five years man Imagine that, and you have to watch the footage in heaven And you look like such an idiot too, you just keep feeding this camera on birdseed Seriously, that could happen Was there ever like an entertainer from the states that reached out like Jim Carrey or somebody like that That was like, oh I have to do something with this guy

I can imagine that that's probably happened to you over the years That I've reached out to me Yeah, and they wanted to like, they were just real keen on trying to work with you And keen means excited, I just learned it like two days ago But yeah, they were excited to try and have you in their project I mean, even though it wasn't something maybe you were looking for but Yeah, there's been a little bit of that But sort of just more coming from like casting people with directors and stuff

Rather than actual like artists Like a lot of them, actually that's not really like people do There's been big big name people who are fans of the shows and have reached out Yeah, that happens a fair bit But I can't feel like a dickhead naming who those people are Oh yeah, no, I'm not asking who they are Yeah, I'm just asking if that's ever happened I guess like, yeah, I guess I was just kind of thinking like

Because if I thought of like one of my favorite movies is Dumb and Dumber, right? So I thought, well, would you ever see, you know, is that something that Like David Spade the other day was telling me that Chris Farley Got offered the role of, and there's something about Mary That Ben Stiller played, the main guy And I just never knew that, it just blew my mind Because then I start thinking of that movie And if Chris Farley plays Ben Stiller, it's just interesting, you know

So I guess I was just wondering if there had ever been like a unique role Or if somebody had ever, or just if it had ever happened, not like specifics, you know That has been a few roles, it's never like the handsome lead It's always like the kind of he, it's like the freak, the weird butler or something Kind of, yeah, one of them was like the, it was like James Franco's PA or something But obviously it was something like Camp Widow, like I get those roles Like basically they've seen some of our title, like can you do Mr. G? But we're not going to say that, but

Right You got to keep that magic for yourself Yeah, yeah, I don't want to do that Yeah, yeah, I don't like to outsource my magic if I have any, you know Or not magic, but whatever I do have, you know Yeah, I don't want to just put it into whatever I'd rather save it and maybe hope that it, you know, that it can be good somewhere specifically Yeah, I'm the same

So Well So you've only seen three episodes Yeah Yeah, alright And also, I also haven't seen I haven't seen the Heroes movie that you did Yeah

Yeah, I can tell the bits that you haven't seen because you kind of just Your eyes glaze off I know it's hard to hide it, huh? Yeah I know, I feel bad sometimes But you can't watch everything No, you can't, there's a lot of stuff Yeah

And I'm kind of glad I haven't seen everything because then there's some things that I can be like You know, still amazed by, like I'm only on season two of Game of Thrones Oh yeah, I'm on season one Are you? Yeah, it's awesome But I'm excited that that's ahead of me Because everyone told me to watch it, so I was like, no, I'm not going to Yeah, I'm like, I'm secretly watching it

Dude, I watched Scarface for the first time three years ago Shit I don't think I've seen it I haven't seen it Are you serious? Is it good? Fuck you, man You fucking just outdid me

I waited my whole life to watch people kept telling me You gotta watch it, it's like a legendary flick I haven't seen Top Gun Oh, fuck you, man Oh, you can end up in hell, brother You're not gonna make it, man Yeah What about Thelma and Louise, have you seen it?

Seen it Yeah, the other one was Mad Men Everyone kept raving about it, and I was like, no, not watching it And then I secretly watched it, and I liked it But I didn't want to tell anyone to like, had to get through like seven seasons Because I didn't want to be in season three and go, it's pretty good And they're like, I haven't you seen season six? Like, you don't want that

Yeah So I do a lot of secret watching Oh, I see What is, what about a league of their own, have you seen that movie? That is Madonna and that Yeah, yeah It's good though Tom Hanks is in it

The lesbian lady Yeah I could have seen you playing one of the characters in that on the scene Yeah, I can, I would say that, yeah A big butch lesbian, yeah Or not big, she could be just be right, yeah, but yeah A lipstick lesbian Yeah

Lipstick lesbian, but like in a Chinese city maybe, I see Yeah That's, that would be my dream I could see you being like the hottest woman in like a Chinese village kind of Yeah That's pretty cool Am I a Chinese woman? No, I don't know

I mean, I just think, I could see that Like I could see if I showed up in like a village like outside of Shanghai, you know, a couple hundred miles out Then being like, oh, this is our queen, you know Yeah Yeah I can see that too, that'd be great actually Yeah That'd be really good

I wonder what kind of, sometime if I could be like, if I had to be a woman, what type I would be I would be like, I think the bus driver, you know Oh yeah A bit butch Yeah, tough, you know, bowling at night Yeah, but she's got a feminine side Yeah She can sort of wear a dress on Friday night

Yeah, on Friday night she likes to wear a dress sometimes To go down to the VFW or something Yeah Do they have VFW here? No It's like veterans of foreign wars, it's where I like all the Oh yeah What do they call it here?

We got the RSO Yeah Go down to the RSO and maybe have a cocktail The Ari Yeah, I can see that Do some video games or something in a dress though You do some swing dancing I reckon Yeah

But you'd be sort of, yeah, attractive when you want it to be, mostly butch Yeah, mostly just fucking riding the rails Yeah Out there, just getting people where they need to go It'd be fun Yeah I think you could just do that for a day Be a real woman

Yeah I think in a couple years you'll be able to I think in a couple years like with all these hormones and stuff they have now I think Just chuck it on for a day Yeah Chuck on a fucking puss in a couple tits, you know Yeah And hit the

You know, go watch You know, something A film or walk, take a run Yeah I'd like to run as a woman I bet, go for a jog Yeah, the sports bra Just let it all Spit if you want

Yeah So you always got a butch woman Yeah, that's true Yeah Well being the pretty one would scare me I think It seemed like so much pressure That would be hard work Yeah

I don't envy that Always having a look kind of like perfect Eat your soup real perfectly Yeah It would make me nervous Everyone's staring at you Yeah Think about that, everybody's staring at you and it happens when you're young and then it makes you

That would make me so nervous Yeah, it'd be hard Yeah, I don't know what else I would be maybe I could see you also being like The guy like on a soccer team that like is in a wheelchair there on the side Oh yeah And he's like He's in the team but they just, it's like a sympathy thing

And they wheel him out once a year and kind of wheel him down the grass Yeah Down the grass Or yeah, it's like cause the field is a little bit Oh yeah It's a cheap field, yeah Yeah It's down here a little

Yeah, I could do that Trying to think of some other Oh, I could also see you doing like a Robin Hood type of Oh yeah I could see you being like a Robin Hood Yeah Rob's from the rich and gives to the poor Yeah

Does he swing through? No, it's Tarzan Isn't like climb trays and shit, is he Robin Hood? I could see you being like Tarzan's brother that wants to do something different Oh yeah To get out of the jungle a little Alternative, like, yeah, he's a bit of an Amo Tarzan Yeah

It's skinnier Yeah It's gonna be a bit of a gut Yeah His girlfriend's not that hot Yeah, she's not that hot, dude And she comes to the edge of the forest and like gives him books and shit And cassette tapes, even though he's gonna have a player

Yeah She's always a bit depressed Yeah, I could see you doing that Let me think of some options Do you think sometimes, like, do you know when a character comes into your head you like Like for lunatics, you know, did you have them all planned out And obviously you had ideas and you said once you get to set Yeah

You get in makeup, it grows even more But was there another character that you went to set with that you guys did Yeah That you left on the floor? Not that we got that far with, but in the writing stage I had like about eight characters all armed And then I kind of had to narrow it down I remember doing a drawing, actually, and I'm not even good at drawing stuff

It's like of all of the characters together And so you could just look at the line up and was imagining it, how it would work And then there was a couple of characters that I just thought, nah, you're kind of crossing out It's like a little too similar to that, it's similar to something you've done before That's the thing, because I've done a lot of characters now, so I have to always Different, I've done, you know, once you do long red hair, you can't do that again So you got to think of different hairstyles Yeah, so a few of them I got rid of, but then are some of the great ideas

I sort of morph those ideas into the current characters So, yeah Yeah, it's hard to find new characters, I bet, because once you've done like a guy, if it's a gay guy, you can't It's like you could do another one, but it's still kind of sticks on the, it'll stick to the other one That's it, yeah It's hard, and there's always a little bit of a crossover, because there's certain things you find funny or interesting So you're always kind of going down the same path a little bit Yeah, but that's actually the challenge now is to make it different, because I've done a lot of characters now

Is that kind of, I mean, even though it's like, I'm sure there's a great sense of pride with that Is there a little bit of like, is it almost kind of a bummer sometimes that you've gone through like a lot of Humanity and character, you know, that you have that much of a body Yeah, it is, because sometimes you've got a slightly different take on it, and I'm like, oh fuck, that would be better But I'm like, yeah, but you kind of did that, like you've done like the fashion thing or the skate thing, whatever it is Surf or whatever the kind of world is Yeah Or I've done an Asian woman before, and I'm like, I can't really do that again

Yeah But I do bring characters back, like there's been a lot of like spin-offs and stuff Yeah Yeah, they come back Well, I've seen, I think some of the stuff I've seen, I've seen like Jonah from Tonga and I've seen, I mean, yeah, it was just too much sometimes Oh, but so good, and it helped me learn about like Tongan people a little bit and like the characters and it gave me like a sense of like What it would actually be like to be at a school when you're young like that, you know And when he goes and lives with his auntie

Yeah Oh shit, God, I fucking miss that family dude Yeah I miss the fam, I miss the fucking auntie, man It feels so real, like it feels like that, that they exist out there somewhere still Yeah Does it feel like that to you too? Yeah, to me it does, yeah

It's, yeah, and it's kind of, yeah, I'm kind of caught up in the illusion of it as well Yeah Weirdly Yeah, I can totally, I can totally imagine that You know, a lot of kids these days their imagination is changing because, you know, with social media, with computers and stuff, it's different Like you can create stuff actually more So your imagination is almost like the processor now is in the machine Yeah

And whether then it used to be, you have to be in your head, you know It's a little bit scary, I wonder if they'll ever have, you know, if they'll ever be able to do some of the stuff that, you know You and I have been able to do growing up, like if the medium will change so much that they won't even Like, why is this guy pretending to be this character when he could just, you know Yeah, you're right That's weird, isn't it? It's already kind of evolved a lot in the last 10 years or so, so, yeah Does it scare you a little bit?

No, I just kind of roll with it, like, it's funny doing the show with Netflix because they have this sort of, the episodic thing But all the apps kind of run together for most people, most people sit back and watch like one and a half episodes or something And then the episode length time, so we're sort of, they're basing it on the model of old broadcast TV But it's actually already evolving into this thing, it's just this linear entertainment thing that people just tap into when they want to And, yeah, we're sort of in this weird transition where it's a little bit, there's a little bit left over from the past Yeah And kind of like, yeah, like when films first started and it was like Vaudeville performers and shit and they were like It was all just like watching a theatrical production, like you were kind of looking at it from one perspective

And then it kind of evolved and people were like, well, shit, we could get different angles and we could edit this Yeah Anyway, I don't know why I'm standing like, I know what I'm talking about You just seen it's changed Yeah, it's evolving and so I started doing 25 minute episodes or whatever And they went to air once a week and now I'm doing this kind of long thing that just keeps flowing together And yeah, it's cool Has it been cool? Has it been, was it as cool of an experience doing lunatics as anything else?

Yeah Well, cool and better in the way that it reached people because normally I have to like launch it in different countries And you're kind of dealing with different networks where this was just like, they just press the button and suddenly it's all over the world Yeah It's a big audience So, but making the show was pretty much the same experience, I guess, as all of them because, yeah It's so crazy, there are moments where I'll look at you and I'll see like just another character will pop into my head that it's like I forgot about a little bit Oh, really?

You know, even from the past, yeah, there'll be like an angle where it's like, oh, there's a Mr. G, you know? Or be like an angle and then be like, oh, that's fucking, you know, oh, I see how he's built, that's how Jonah was built, you know? Like, just like the way your arm is bent, it's just kind of bizarre, man, you know? Yeah, it is really cool I don't see myself, I guess, I don't really get that experience unless I'm looking in the mirror or something, but Yeah, I can imagine, that must be weird. People often do try to say who they think I'm the most like They do say that quite a lot But that must change though, because then suddenly there are moments where I'm like, oh, he definitely seems like Gavin a little bit more, you know?

Yeah The Earl of, what is it called? Gaius, yeah Gaius, what a fucking great name Chris Lilly, man, thank you so much I don't think there's anything else really, I mean, we can kind of chill and wrap it up, is that okay with you? Yeah, that sounds good, it's been really fun Has it been?

Yeah, I didn't know what to expect, but it's been so relaxed and you're very easy to talk to Well, thanks, man, I appreciate it, yeah, I wanted this to be just a, I mean, I think this would be a great episode, man Our listeners are going to absolutely be over the moon just to have, to be able to have like just an experience with you Just as a regular person, you know? Yeah, it's just inspiring, man, it's inspiring to see like, because there's nothing else out there like you So people need to see it and young people need to see it so they can be reminded, oh, I can do that, you know? Yeah Because that's how I learned about stuff, watch it, I would see in living color and like Damon Wayans and stuff

I'd be like, oh, I can do that, that's a thing? Yeah Wow, now I'm going to do that, you know? Yeah, I get kids' enemy videos all the time of characters, like they, it does inspire kids Oh, that's great Yeah, it's fun That would be great Do you plan to, will you make more stuff in the future? You're not going to, you don't have any plans on quitting being creative, do you?

Not at all, no, I love doing this Thank you It's so fun, I can't wait to do more Cool, brother Chris Lilly, ladies and gentlemen, check out Lunatics And then go back if you haven't and watch Summer Heights High, Jonah from Tonga And you'll fall into the rest of the world and tell your friends about it Because, yeah, for some reason, Summer Heights High is the greatest gift I can give to any of my friends that haven't

I'm like, have you seen this? And when they say no, I'm just like, oh, fucking Merry Christmas, motherfucker You know, it's fun Thank you, brother Thanks, man Now I'm just floating on the breeze And I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone Oh, but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna take a little time For me to set that parking brake And let myself unwind Shine that light on me I'll sit and tell you my stories

Shine on me And I will find a song I will sing it just for you