This Past Weekend - Duncan Trussell | This Past Weekend #112

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Starting point is 00:02:39 Like, hack their house. Yeah. their house yeah i mean that yeah that's like one of the really insane looming problems with automation is that theoretically everything will be hackable especially if they get to the point that they talk about some kind of nanobot technology that you can inject into your body that becomes a kind of like accelerated white blood cell oh my god so you could sort of look at your phone and it's like oh shit you know you've got a little bit of a cold virus in there looming looming so it's in your it's hanging out in your elbow dude yeah exactly right exactly and then theoretically somebody could hack that shit tell your wife the nanobots to start attacking your liver

Starting point is 00:03:20 you know who knows i know yeah like what if somebody so basically then it becomes like risk like that game risk but you're able to influence the like antibodies and the negative um and like the diseases and things that are looming inside of someone else's body that's right yeah dude let's fucking hack uncle larry i dude it's scary it's really no one's talking about this shit at all like we're worried about stuff that's happening at the second, which of course is important. Immigration, everyone's pissed off about Trump. Yeah. Or not pissed off about Trump.

Starting point is 00:03:54 But everyone's ignoring the fact that within the next 20 years, we're probably looking at 45% unemployment because of full automation. Oh, dude, I think about that kind of stuff all the time like how many uh like what happens when there are no jobs except the only thing is uber and it's everybody's an uber driver and they're basically holding each other at gun but those are automated now so there's really no uber drivers because the cars have been automated okay so you but i now i think that, we're talking with, who was the guy who made the song Cheeseburger in Paradise? Jimmy Buffett.

Starting point is 00:04:32 Yeah, we're basically talking to who I consider the Jimmy Buffett of the future. Oh, wow. Kind of like, in some ways. Wow. Because you're like this kind of peaceful character that takes people on a beautiful adventure. It's like thinking about the future and stuff and hearing you think about it it's like it's in a comfortable way that people have fun while they do it yeah and so for some

Starting point is 00:04:54 reason when i think about you i think about jimmy buffett and like um who was uh wrote and george orwell whoa thanks man i'll take that i'll be that hybrid. Thank you so much. That's a beautiful hybrid. I mean. Terrifying hybrid. I like it. Is it? I don't know if it is, dude. Yeah, like, for sure.

Starting point is 00:05:11 Or Bradbury. Maybe Bradbury is a little more. Orwellian Buffett. Like an Orwellian Jimmy Buffett song. That's fucking great. Not Cheeseburger in Paradise. Cheeseburger in some dystopian smog filled city where everyone's pretending to be happy or they get shot yeah we're sitting here with duncan trussell man um and this

Starting point is 00:05:33 is our first conversation we're just talking about that this is our first conversation and yeah what does it look like when everything's automated and how are we like at least some people are going to be educated enough to understand that that's kind of what's going on least some people are going to be educated enough to understand that that's kind of what's going on yeah some people are going to feel threatened by machinery and by automation like different people are going to react differently well it seems to uh like somebody's going to shoot up a fucking washer dryer in their house you know i'm saying out of fear yeah i mean that there's going to be that but we're looking already it's at the problem like a big problem which is that oh like humans in general many humans um they have jobs where they're supposed to work eight hours a day but the

Starting point is 00:06:19 amount of work that they actually have they could get done in two hours. So they have to pretend to work for the other six hours. I'm reading this book called Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber. Fuck, it's great, man. But he just is addressing the fact that we've gotten to the point now where we really don't need to work as much as we are. But because the model of things is that when when we go to work we're selling our time so that is i go to work i'm selling you eight hours of time correct which means i'm your slave for eight hours essentially and so within that eight hours if there's downtime the employer

Starting point is 00:06:59 feels like he's getting ripped off right so she's like no you can't just sit and look at the internet even though there's nothing to do yeah and so you get punished for efficiency if you can finish your job in two hours you're gonna either lose six hours of pay because you go home right or you're gonna get chastised because you're sitting around for the other six hours so you have to start faking work and that and and according to graber this is like one of the most psychologically brutal things that can happen to a human to fake what you could do efficiently yeah because it's bdsm because it's a form of bdsm where you have to sit and bdsm means for people that don't know it's like brutal no bdsm it's a bondage domination i guess bdsm and sadomasochism right it's like a it's like

Starting point is 00:07:49 great i'm glad you asked me that because it's so funny i i love it and i don't even know what the fucking acronym what the what it stands for oh i know like if i see a picture of a lady with like a um like a whip and like some you know sharp stuff and some cat suit and like yeah you see like some guy who's married but is just stopping at her house for an hour, I know that that's BDSM. That is BDSM. I don't know what it means. Bondage, domination, sadomasochism.

Starting point is 00:08:13 It's bondage and discipline. Discipline. So you're saying then having to fake what you could be able to do just to be able to keep your job and your pay, that is brutal. It's brutal as a person. It's sick. And if you don't do it, you're going to get fired.

Starting point is 00:08:28 Right. So he's writing about how the culture, the way it works is, the employer knows that there's not enough work. So the sickness of it is you have to, you both kind of have to lie to each other. So not only are you having to do this play act of pretending to work, but you're also like having to be dishonest throughout the day. You're having to, because he says like what defines a bullshit job is that it really doesn't have any impact at all in the world.

Starting point is 00:09:00 There's really no need for it to exist but not just that the employee knows that the job is not doing anything is useless wow so you're you're many many people are just stuck in this hell realm of just essentially like pouring water out of one cup into the other and then pouring it back and then pouring it back right and they're getting paid and a lot of them get paid a lot of money yeah that's the other thing he points out which is really fucking nuts which is that the most essential jobs the those people get paid the least and the least essential jobs those people get paid the most yeah and then when you factor in all the other um when you factor in the fact

Starting point is 00:09:41 that somebody got the most the easiest one because his fucking dad was somebody. It just probably just creates so much angst. Yeah, exactly, right. And the next step is automation because the next step is automation. Is that the next step? Is that where we're at? Yeah, so the next step is going to look like, I mean, theoretically, it's going to look like AI is going to get to the point where it can start doing accounting and law. So not like trial lawyers, but most law involves creating a will or just real, it's law is code, law is code.

Starting point is 00:10:22 Right. or just real, it's law is code, law is code. Right. So AI is going to get to the point where it can create a will for you, create a prenup for you, create a, you know, do all the shit that you would have to go to a human for. And it's not just that. It's like going to do the same thing for accounting. It's going to do the same thing for pretty much anything that's based on code.

Starting point is 00:10:41 Right. Anything that's based on some of those books where there's not a lot of, you know, where it doesn't have to be argued exactly where it's kind of set in stone and you already see that with like legal zoom you already see the the little elements of that that are reaching out to the people that are connecting us and yeah we don't know what goes on next thing you know you have a patent that's right next thing you know you have a you know you have an llc set up exactly yeah so it it's like that. So people think that automation means, oh yeah, okay, so we're going to lose all the,

Starting point is 00:11:11 the taxi industry is going to be completely automated and fast food chains, well, that'll be completely automated. And that's really sad because fast food workers, they don't get paid enough money for the work they do they have these shitty jobs yeah i'll tip them a lot of times i'll throw the lady 10 bucks and and we should like we should i mean this is this is a hell job and that's the

Starting point is 00:11:35 other really crazy thing about our society is we look down on those people so there's a judgment if you work at mcdonald's like you're you're looked you're shamed for that job and but your job is fucking hard and it sucks and um and somebody in there's always not doing shit right fucking lawrence by the fries is never fucking doing shit he's trying to fuck right he's not doing anything why would he say he's barely getting paid he's burning his skin you know but roberta is doing, she cares. She's picking up his extra because she wants to get promoted. Yeah. So it's this sick vortex of like, no, the same drama of Game of Thrones is taking place in McDonald's where people are in this microcosm.

Starting point is 00:12:19 Game of Fries. Game of Fries. Game of Fries. But you see it when you're at the front desk, dude. You know, you see, like, there's usually, like, a Latino woman or, like, kind of, like, a middle-aged black woman that's, like, or, like, a red-headed kind of white lady that hasn't been outside in a long time. And they're, like, the leader. They're, like, devout. And they have, like, the little, you know, even the little tie-up thing by the top of their dress or smock.

Starting point is 00:12:42 Yeah. And then you see, you see somebody over by the window, biggest headset, fucking furious, threatening people. Yeah, it's a hell realm. And the meat is sizzling, and all the weird chemicals are blowing into their face all day. You're making me hungry. Yeah, we've got to go eat. It's delicious food. But it's a hell realm. And so you're saying that hungry yeah we gotta go eat it's delicious food but it's a hell realm and

Starting point is 00:13:06 so you're saying that so we have these jobs now and people are living in these worlds right right yeah so that's going to become automated so yeah so that so what no so what happens is the fast food workers rightfully want to get paid more because they're like this is ridiculous that i'm not getting paid a living wage yeah and so the people who are running the franchises and running the corporations know that it once it i have to start paying my workers 20 an hour or 25 or 23 or 17 an hour at some point the amount i have to pay them becomes more expensive than the amount I would have to pay to implement robots, automation. And so at that point, it becomes pointless to use a human anymore.

Starting point is 00:13:53 So that's called market pressure. Right. So once it crosses past whatever that boundary is, that pushes us closer to full automation. So those people now don't have jobs and the uber drivers don't have jobs but not just the uber drivers the truck drivers don't have jobs anymore right so and that's interesting don't take away my truckers man gone so that's gone and now when the truck drivers don't have jobs guess what goes next the fucking truck stops and all the little towns and that are built on the economy of trucks

Starting point is 00:14:26 stopping on the highway yeah stop and get a smoothie stop and get a jerk or whatever anywhere let me come over there i could get some gas and come over here off the interstate that is exactly right all the all of those what are they what are trucker prostitutes called a lot lizards they call the lot lizards yeah all the lot lizards they have to go slithering where there's going to be a fucking, it's going to be like a refugee crisis. Lot lizards just slithering into Vegas. Meet up, yeah. Yeah, just this huge.

Starting point is 00:14:52 Meeting up in Sedona. Slithering through the rocks and just rising up over Vegas, just. And that's the. Just fucking, yeah. And what are we going to do with them? You know, what are we going to do with all the lot lizards? I don't know. This is the future.

Starting point is 00:15:05 These are the problems of the future. Okay, now I'll ask you this. Now, does there come a point, though, where for an owner of a business, where it has the ability to go with the market pressure, we have the option for automation to go there on a financial sheet that makes total sense. Yeah. And on a financial sheet, that makes total sense. But where then it becomes an, like, where does emotion come into that? Where an owner is like, you know what? No, I'm not going to do that because I keep my business open now because, and then this becomes a thing of pride.

Starting point is 00:15:37 Yes. Like almost an Americanism. Yes. Where I keep my business open because I want to employ people that that are uh good hard-working people that want good that that deserve to have money well here's where we run into a very interesting ethical problem which is right now because of the industrial revolution there's a very sick idea which is that if a person isn't constantly working then they're lazy so it's like if you're not always you should always be working if you're not working you should be looking for a fucking job yeah right and and because like we we've

Starting point is 00:16:12 defined ourselves based on in the industrial revolution we've defined ourselves as beings that should always be working and not only that but we've we're defining ourselves by factory ethics so especially our parents yeah especially our parents but but even today you know what you know like uh what is it i don't want no scrub scrub is a guy who won't get a little love from me sitting in the passenger side of his best friend's ride so if you know if you're not in debt to the banks to pay for a car an explorer then you're not a fucking you're not gonna mate you can't even reproduce yeah so there's this entire industrial revolution indoctrination that has taken over people's brains this is all from graber's book i'm all fired up no i love it

Starting point is 00:16:57 and this is david graber's book yeah you said and we'll put the link to that below bullshit jobs it's great wow it sounds fascinating, man. And I love, man, it's so neat to have you in here because I know that you're such a neat thinker. Oh, thanks, man. It sounds like from any way everything I've heard is that people, like you just got blessed with like a really unique brain and you're kind of like a sharecropper of your own brain.

Starting point is 00:17:21 You know, like you like to take care of your brain and like mine the fields and you get out there and kind of, you know, you're to take care of your brain and like mine the fields and you get out there and kind of you know you're not just fucking letting all the weeds grow in your brain you know you're kind of like okay i'm gonna tend to my brain you know i'm gonna see what's going on i'm gonna see what's growing here and i'm gonna see what's i mean anyway i'm just kind of i'm not judging you i just i'm just kind of weirdly describing you and i'm sorry about that but um do you mean like when you say tending to the weeds in your brain, do you tend to your brain weeds? I think I've just started to become more aware of it.

Starting point is 00:17:49 And it's honestly been because of, you know, pretty much probably because of getting into podcasting. Right. And there's people in these worlds that are kind of like pioneers of that sort of thing. And then I start listening to podcasts. Yeah. And I start like, you um uh the shane moss documentary like i start thinking about these things that are going on and like how people are like uh microdosing how people are starting to think about how who how how we think and feel um are starting to become a lot

Starting point is 00:18:18 more of uh of value outside of like textbooks right Right. And sort of examining that. Yeah. That's kind of where I'm at. I'm more in the feeling space, I think. Like I'm kind of obsessed with feelings a lot. But I love the fact that there are guys like you out there. Where do your feelings show up? My feelings show up a lot, honestly,

Starting point is 00:18:41 in just even moments like this. But where in your body do they show up? They show up right up in here, kind of. Right. Yeah, yeah. And honestly, in my tear ducts a little bit. Like, my feelings are so, like, there's not very much between, like, whatever moment is going on and, like, whatever, like, my feelings are, like, right there. Like, I can feel them, like, in here in my face some. I can feel them in my throat a lot.

Starting point is 00:19:01 Yeah, that's great, man. That's a, there's an idea that i've been taught which is that you know most people are up in their heads and that's where they live and they're pretty and it's a pretty emotionless space like if you get in fact some people try to escape from their feelings into their thoughts because that they would rather but purely intellectualize the world than to experience even like a second of actual emotion. Because emotion is, especially if you've been putting off feeling, it's quite painful. And humans, we like to avoid pain.

Starting point is 00:19:36 So you basically, many people are like Howard, what was that guy's name, Howard Hughes? Howard Hughes. Wasn't he a recluse? He lived up in a mansion or something. Yeah. He'd be in the dark all day for days at a time. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:19:48 So that's what many people have retreated into their minds, into a little corner of their minds. And they just live up there looking at their thoughts and desperately trying not to feel. Yeah. And so. And not even knowing they can, some of them. Right. Not even knowing they can some of them right not even knowing and when when it starts where the when the feelings start they're like fuck that fuck that fuck that and the tears

Starting point is 00:20:11 start coming no yeah no no no it's like a damn it's like when you see and those videos on the news where this damn is about to fucking break yeah and it's good it's a if it breaks then they have a nerve it's what what we call in the West a nervous breakdown. Right. Is when all that damned up emotion comes flooding out of their heart into their minds. And then they start jabbering and freaking out. And it's all because they've been pushing down all this emotion. So I've been taught that it's a good thing to, if you can, begin to sort of move into your heart more than in your mind

Starting point is 00:20:47 or at least balance the two out a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, I start to feel even more as I – and like I got into like sobriety. Like I got sober a couple years ago, so that's when that kind of stuff all happened for me a little bit. Like, bro, I never thought there was any – I was all thoughts.

Starting point is 00:21:03 I never knew. I never knew. I knew i knew i had feelings but i had to create all my feelings with my brain like if i loved you you know i had to like yeah it was almost like okay i decided that i loved them you know and to me that's what all love was and like and man it's been and and i didn't realize like just what a cage that And I didn't know. I had no idea that there was this other, there was these feelings, this thing that it was almost like under the plates of the earth sometimes if you see the magma. I didn't know. And so even just two years ago, almost July 17th will be two years where I just kind of got into 12-step program. But anyway, some of that helped me start to change a perspective switch. And I'm like, oh, my God, this is what people have been doing this this whole time.

Starting point is 00:21:51 And I didn't know that my feelings don't happen in my brain. Isn't that wild? Bro, I kid you not, dude. There's been nothing more. Yeah, it's been earth shattering almost in a lot of ways. Rebirth. Yeah, 100%, man. Reincarnation.

Starting point is 00:22:09 You could almost say there's a story of, I don't know, some Taoist master, they asked him, they would say, how old are you? I think he was like 80, but he'd be like four. And because he didn't consider the years before his awakening to be actually life yeah that was like a robotic existence and so um it's a there's many ways people talk about it one of the one of them is it's like you're living in this little shack and you think the shack is your is all your home i mean think how incredible it would be if

Starting point is 00:22:46 you were living in a shack and then all of a sudden you realize wait i think there's a fucking trap door here and you open it up and it leads into like this glorious beautiful maybe a little dusty mansion or temple yeah and suddenly you leave this tiny little space into this spaciousness of self and that is for many people like one of the greatest things that that can happen to it wow this can happen wow that's amazing it's amazing to think of it like that yeah it makes me just start to really feel like for the first time in life I could really kind of feel, you know? Like nothing became sadder to me than like when a kid doesn't feel like somebody loves them or cares about them. Like nothing makes me sadder than that now for some reason.

Starting point is 00:23:41 And I never had that feeling. I never had. It's interesting man it's just like yeah I feel like I'm out here like kind of spelunking in my own feelings a little bit yeah and it's fun and it's a scary sometimes and I notice like a lot of times I'll try and step back into my own some of my old ways and so I have to make it a practice uh to not do that um yes it is a practice it's good, you do have to train yourself. It's cultivation in Buddhism. It's something you actually...

Starting point is 00:24:13 And I think that's a... It's an interesting thing in the West where we just think that love is like a baseline thing that is equivalent for everyone, right? It's like love is like a baseline thing that is equivalent for everyone right yeah it's like love is like what is the way water's wet love is love love but really the idea is like these are things you can actually not only cult you can cultivate and explore and go very deep into Explore and go very deep into and dial in. And people have been spending thousands of years learning about that, how to do that, and exploring what that is.

Starting point is 00:25:22 But here we don't really think about it that much. Guys like you and other, you know, other podcasters, other thinkers, other guys that are really starting to get voices in the world, I feel like are kind of pioneers of this awakening and making this awakening more popular and more okay for just kind of regular people who thought that A, this wasn't accessible in their life. Yeah. Or B, they would seem like a weirdo, you know, or fear, or even, like, I'll have people email me on podcasts like, dude, you said something the other day, and not like I'm any kind of, like, I just try to share what I'm feeling, if I can. And it made me

Starting point is 00:25:37 see something a little different, you know? Yeah. Well, you're right. This is the way that I am. What, what makes me excited about it is, um, because like,

Starting point is 00:25:49 if you know, by the time, I don't know, you're, you're a young guy. I'm 38. Well, I'm 44.

Starting point is 00:25:56 Are you really? Yeah. So I'm old, not old, old, but old. So like, but by the time you get to be around my age,

Starting point is 00:26:02 maybe not your age so much, I don't know. It's different for everybody, but you've sort of been like serving yourself your whole life. If you're me, if you're a selfish prick. You know what I mean? It's selfish. It's selfish. There's a culture of selfishness in the world or what's called self-cherishing.

Starting point is 00:26:21 That's interesting. Yeah. Self-cherishing. That's very American, it seems like yeah it is it really is and you and you sort of um you end up and you think it's it's an okay way to be so you're always interested a self-cherishing person you get into any environment and you want to make adjust adjustments to fit what you think is going to make you feel better in that moment. So for many people, this means disregarding what other people want in that environment

Starting point is 00:26:50 and making it your music, your thing, your color wall, whatever it is. Right. Self-cherishing. Yeah, I could see myself being like that a lot. Yeah. And it's a survival. It's also a survival element for a lot of people when they grow up.

Starting point is 00:27:06 Like if you, you know, as a kid, the world revolves around you. You don't know that there's any outside input at all. Like, I mean,

Starting point is 00:27:13 you know, there's outside input, but you don't know that like when you're eight years old, you don't really know that your buddy Tommy has feelings as much. I mean,

Starting point is 00:27:20 it's all your world. You know, it's so like first player shooter.'s it yes and especially if you're being taught to live up in your head so if you if you manage to turn your emotions off and you live in your head it becomes very easy to do that to other people because you've you've you've dehumanized them you've reduced them to a kind of pixel floating around you and you haven't even like thought for a moment that that person had a mom and a dad and wakes up and feels something and and and is maybe super sad

Starting point is 00:27:56 or super stressed out or super freaked out you can't think about that because the cognitive dissonance that starts happening when you begin to realize that we're all not individual units but completely interrelated becomes so overwhelming that your ability to navigate as a selfish person begins to fall apart and that's scary and that's almost that's shocking it's like telling you you've been driving your car your whole life and then now everybody's it doesn't matter where you're going we're all it matters where we're all going yeah you'd be like what the fuck uh well uh not even what to do not even that but but but we we are fundamentally connected yes so so for example you know when you

Starting point is 00:28:39 think in terms of well what makes a person a person and that question is complex but you could say well it's my awareness I have this sense of a self I'm aware here I am I have a self I have a body but then not only that I'm aware of you and I'm aware of this room so if I remove all of these things then what am I I kind of cease to be my existence is predicated by relationships by my in fact I people think they live in their their bodies but maybe it would be more apt to say we live in our connections to other people we're completely interrelated you know and so if that's the case and we've been fixated on ourselves, instead of the quality of being connected to others, then there's a pretty good possibility we're miserable. Because we're essentially a muscle cramp.

Starting point is 00:29:37 You know, we're like a sentient muscle cramp that's become so embroiled in trying to make sure it's okay that it is disconnected from the circulatory system you're like a barnacle almost yeah like out of fear out of something we got so latched and that's where we just have been like just uh calcifying and the whole time this ocean's going on right on our backs yes and we don't even fucking know that's it that all we're supposed to do is just let go and realize we're part of something so much fucking know that's it that all we're supposed to do is just let go and realize we're part of something so much bigger yeah that's it that's it do you think that so at this time we're becoming so automated though at the same time does it seem fucking bizarre that i feel like people are getting so obsessed with what other purpose is there for us as you

Starting point is 00:30:22 like you know are starting to because do those does that really fit together it doesn't seem like it does well see this is the great reckoning because you know if if i think carl is carl young that said that the shadow the shadow the the cumulative shadow the the repressed aspects of a society get reflected in their leader right so if there's a lot of repression happening in a society then you might get some kind of leader that is like a reflection of that repression and so if we're living in a world where we've been taught where as a matter of survival you got to be up in your fucking head yeah you're waking up at 5 a.m you're maybe driving an hour and a half through traffic to get to a job that you know doesn't really help anybody and and and where you have to fake work and and and maybe you even have to fake happiness

Starting point is 00:31:26 like you might be in a public job so you have to fake happiness and then you maybe will have a 10 or 30 minutes to yourself every day not including your sleep cycle so collectively that means that we've all probably been retreating up into our minds because to try to be in your heart in that situation must be incredibly painful, right? Yes, because then you would really be feeling it and you would be given into that party that's always like, I don't know if I'm having a lot of effect on the world or if I'm really farming myself the best. That's it. And so the reckoning might be then collectively, if enough people have been repressing themselves emotionally and living in their heads as an order of survival because they've been put in an existentially untenable situation that is absurd, essentially. Then the reckoning would be when suddenly there becomes no more thing to do like that. And now everyone has to go back and has to feel again but collectively wow so now we have an entire the entire society has a kind of nervous breakdown

Starting point is 00:32:34 the entire society has a kind of meltdown and what does that look like what does that look like when suddenly humanity is forced to come to terms with something that seems really obvious yeah which is that a person's life is not meant for work right wow and that and that feels like exactly man i i don't know if i could deny that that feels like exactly where we are headed yes it's tech technology is forcing this it seems like and you know one of the there graber was writing about like slave owners used to used to say you got to keep these motherfuckers busy because if you don't they're gonna run they're gonna run you know they were demented monstrous people who were like fully aware of the human psyche and they knew that if

Starting point is 00:33:26 they're these human beings that they had captured were given any amount of free time wow they would split so yeah people so if i am wanting to control a society and i'm wanting to harvest their energy then the last thing i want is for them to have free time right wow i wonder if at some point for some slave owners and throughout time you know and i'm not just talking about in america but you know every continent um that that they were like fuck do we have to even it was almost painful to know i think there were like some nice slave owners in a weird way like it was i have to keep them busy because if i don't they'll start to think yeah well yeah yeah i mean they're they're they start to communicate they'll start to you know yeah because you it's not like that you don't hear the strongest

Starting point is 00:34:21 there's not that story that the strongest slave changed it all. It's the thinker slave. It's the Frederick Doug. Or it's the leaders. It's the thinkers. Yeah, it's the thinkers. And the feelers. And the connectors.

Starting point is 00:34:37 Right. Because that's the reality. It's not like slave-adactal. You know, the strongest slave. You know what I'm saying? Even though there would be a great superhero guy who came in and just changed it all you know you mean like a pterodactyl slave

Starting point is 00:34:51 I mean I'm not talking about a slave that fucks a bird but I'm talking about like a slave that you know I've just picked a bad name I mean like an iron man if you give them free time they'll start fucking birds I mean like an iron man type of person i know it'd be a great i mean this is the tragedy of the of it all is that you know they were so controlled and so terrified and so intentionally um disempowered and broken that they they you know that they

Starting point is 00:35:21 couldn't unify but that's the difference between us, us and them. And that's kind of the big, like the reality, the big, I guess thing you're, you're not supposed to say, or the thing that's really quite obvious, which is that there is way more of us than there are of them.

Starting point is 00:35:42 And by us, I mean, people who are, you know, human beings right you don't feel like being exploited or objectified there's just so much more of us yeah we yeah it seems so it almost starts to seem so lopsided it starts to seem like yeah why have we been the slaves for so long right and that's if you were running a plantation and you heard that conversation you would want to figure out a way to make that conversation not happen. Right.

Starting point is 00:36:08 So what would you do? So maybe you would like, OK, fuck, you know, somehow these slaves have gotten access to technology. They're starting to figure some stuff out. All right. All right. All right. All right. Well, let's make the slaves imagine they do have a little bit of power.

Starting point is 00:36:21 And then let's make the slaves imagine they do have some autonomy. It's like now we don't have slavery. We jobs so right now it's like okay so you go to work you got a job congrats unemployment lowest in 50 years we did it we did it we did it meanwhile it's like what does that really mean it means that like a shit ton of people are getting splattered with like grease that's burning them a lot of people are doing things lord of the fries man they're at the fucking tsa oh yeah tsa is the worst dude can you imagine the misery of that job which is you know because when you come in they they they want people to be compassionate to these people who are doing security theater so they have security theater that's what it's called

Starting point is 00:37:09 security theater security theater it's so ridiculous yeah yeah it is and they put up signs which is like just so you know 80 of these people are veterans yeah and so the idea is like because human humans are having a natural reaction to strangers rifling through their shit yeah and so the idea is like because human humans are having a natural reaction to strangers rifling through their shit yeah and and and uh and they're they're cunts to the tsa workers but it's like if you really think about it imagine every day you have to drive to lax just think of that every day you have to drive to fucking lax and don't go anywhere and don't go anywhere in fact you're in the worst part of lax oh when you and then and you have to sit there looking at that fucking look probably looking at the people's dicks all day through that machine

Starting point is 00:37:58 so like you're seeing these like you're just looking at fucking like, just like naked Americans. And you know, these people aren't bringing bombs in. These people aren't doing shit. That's an 80 year old woman in a fucking wheelchair. Do I really need to grab her pussy right now to see if there's a fucking stick of dynamite up there? I mean, kind of. That's the funnest part. But yeah, do I need to? Right.

Starting point is 00:38:26 there i mean kind of that's the funnest part yeah but yeah do i need to right like you rob yeah like like but yeah do any of these tsa workers there's some that are pretty probably awake that are like we're not doing anything yeah and it's just they know and then they add to that that they are experiencing this river of sentient humans who are glaring at them all day long i'm the worst yeah yeah and and so so this is like a this is a hellscape but but because of the tsa we created a shit ton of jobs right right and so then that makes the numbers look good yeah yeah and that makes us feel like we're doing something good that's right and so it's like okay let's invent some other bullshit fucking thing for people to do that we all know really doesn't need to happen and then another thing and another thing and all of this is just this basically if you i mean like imagine how dangerous it would be if you were a tiger herder. Now, this has never happened, of course.

Starting point is 00:39:26 But if you had to herd tigers, you would... That's not a racial slur either. I don't know what you're thinking it is. What do you mean? Tigers. Fuck no. I don't know. No, it's not.

Starting point is 00:39:40 It's not. I'm just joking. It's not. Okay. Imagine you had to herd tigers. Go on. I'm in this. You would be fucking scared shitless, right?

Starting point is 00:39:48 Because you'd be like, man, these tigers, if they figure out they're tigers, then there's no way they're going to let us herd them anymore because they're way bigger than us. They're fast. They're dangerous. But then think how much more dangerous humans are than tigers. think how much more dangerous humans are than tigers we are devious technological creatures that are learning how to go to the fundamental elements of the universe and reconfigure we can reconfigure atoms we know how to we are such amazing beings uh so much potential and we're being herded and the way we're being herded is by being told that time is money.

Starting point is 00:40:26 Yeah. Right. And so we're being herded by and pulsed. We're being pulsed. So it's like if you look over a city, you see this like which is red light, green light, red light, green light. It's a circulatory system, a pulsing circulatory system of sentient advanced beings in metal shells who all think that they're doing something unique. But if you looked at it from the sky, it's no different than looking at ants carrying bread from a picnic.

Starting point is 00:40:56 It's just a hive. Right. And the hive is being pulsed. And the thing that's pulsing that hive, well, I'm not really sure exactly what that is. Right. And that's a big question, kind of. Because that's the same question I get to with like, I mean, it's not the same tributary that I arrived there from,

Starting point is 00:41:18 but it's the same river that I get to when I get to the question of who's doing it. Right. And why. who's doing it right and why who's doing it are we just or have we just gotten into this have we just gotten into this calcified fuck whirlpool where we're just doing it to ourselves you know i don't think i think i think it's like i imagine if you want if like some dark universe, if you wanted to run a laboratory where you had access to, you know, a bunch of babies and you could just raise them, you could probably make the babies believe that every morning when you wake up, you walk six times clockwise. And every 45 minutes you walk counterclockwise. Yeah, babies are idiots. Yeah, right.

Starting point is 00:42:05 As soon as they can walk. But then like the babies, especially if you started electrocuting them, if they didn't do this ritual. So maybe these kids are all wearing some kind of shock collars or something. So they have to do this ritual every 45 minutes or they get shocked. Probably by the time they're 16, you could take the shock collar off. And they're going to spend the rest of their life in the laboratory doing this fucking thing. So I think probably what happened is maybe during the Industrial Revolution, we were just taught something that was just a complete and absolute lie, which is that you can sell time. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:42:44 And that's nothing to be more valuable than that more of a fucking yeah it's not true you can't sell time in fact i don't even know what time is but and it's probably such a critical moment too because there's so much going on that yeah the thing and i think it's weird because people that want us to work so much some people want life to be about work and they want life to be about money yeah and that's very alarming to me yeah like i i start to really believe that there's going to be a thing where greed is not fucking attractive anymore right like i want to do well for myself like i want to succeed yeah i want to have you know there's some things i want to have i want my children to have like you know be able to clean

Starting point is 00:43:23 their teeth at night and, you know, feel like a comfortable blanket on their skin and things like that, you know? But I don't know if it's money I feel like that drives me and if it really gets to be like that, that kind of scares me a little. I wonder if that school of thought

Starting point is 00:43:40 is going to start to take over. That greed is not, it's not fucking cool anymore. When we know so much that other like beings are struggling yeah man it's not cool it's not it well and it's painful i mean that's the you know when people have a shit ton of money yeah many of them are philanthropists because they figured out that like what is the best feeling right giving it away yeah and so they're they're they're philanthropists and they're and they're giving it away but generally like the experience of selfishness is self-cherishing is incredibly

Starting point is 00:44:16 painful and people don't realize that so that yeah trying to load up on money is that is is it an attempt to reduce their levels of suffering right yes and that's a that that that i think that's a that makes sense to me like if it's like trying to put but the problem yeah it's trying to put out a fire with more fire yeah and it just doesn't work it's just it's just that it's I'm thirsty. God, I'm so fucking thirsty. Let me eat sand. That'll help me not be thirsty anymore. And so I think that's kind of the problem is the thing you're talking about. I hope what happens is that people start realizing that because we're all connected, I tend to feel better if I'm doing stuff for other people.

Starting point is 00:45:05 More than if I'm doing shit for myself. And that's what 12-step programs are. That's what all that is. All that stuff is about usually is getting back to realizing that the way you get out of whatever is hurting you a lot of times is by helping somebody else so you're not thinking about yourself. Yes. about yourself yes that's the it's it's like if you want the antidote to whatever ails you just start helping someone yeah and you it's like so easy to do it's it's you know right away like you can do a scan right away and and think who needs help in my life i'm not talking about some kind of like distant sending money off to a charity or anything like that.

Starting point is 00:45:47 That's great. Do it if you feel like it. I'm talking about, well, this teacher, Jack Kornfield, who I've had on my podcast, he says, tend to the part of the garden you can touch. So just think like who? Who needs help? Who needs a hug?

Starting point is 00:46:02 Who needs somebody to take them to lunch? Who do you notice that's been drinking a lot and instead of joking about it with your friends and making fun of them, which is okay to do, who needs help? Who needs a hug? Who needs somebody to take them to lunch? Who do you notice that's been drinking a lot and, and instead of joking about it with your friends and making fun of them, which is okay to do a couple of times, but also who could probably is hurting and maybe could use some, you know, and all they need is just somebody to care.

Starting point is 00:46:17 Yeah. You know, it's crazy. The scariest, some in the weird, in the weirdest way. I was just thinking about this a minute ago. I was looking at you and I was like,

Starting point is 00:46:23 how scary would it be if I thought that you loved me? You know? Like, not in like a homoerotic type of way. But how scary would it be if we approached people and the first thought we had was that this person loves me? Yeah. Yeah. Like, really. Like, if if you like,

Starting point is 00:46:45 it would, that would change the whole, it would just change. It would take me so much out of like whatever fear that I lived in. Right. But it's for some reason, that's not the way that we are built to do it here. You know what a bird dog is,

Starting point is 00:47:00 don't you? It's when you, a girl, no, it's not a sex move. A bird dog is actually a pair of beautiful shorts. And these are shorts that are also swim trunks. And they're also underwear. And they're basically everything. It's the one-stop shop for the top of your legs and butt and crotch. And bird dogs have beautiful, you know, beautiful different colors, assortments. You can wear them different places. People love them. People are like, oh, are those, you know, beautiful different colors, assortments. You can wear them different places. People love them.

Starting point is 00:47:25 People are like, oh, are those, you know, from outer space or from Egypt? And you're like, nah, these are bird dogs. You can work out in them. You can do whatever you want. A lot of people, you know, wearing underwear and shorts is insane, really. It's almost something you would only see somebody do in a mental health center. And so now you don't have to do that anymore. You can be natural, 150% natural even with bird dogs. And they got them panties built in the male panties.

Starting point is 00:47:49 So go to birddogs.com and enter code Vaughn, V-O-N, and get a, they throw in that free dad hat. So if you're a dad, or even if you want to be, or you just want to let the ladies at the pool know that you could spray, okay, okay you know that you get that potential for fathership then go to birddogs.com and use code von get that free hat get them bird dogs look beautiful at the pool or anywhere you want get that hitter and one of the ironies about like bringing like the you know about bringing slavery uh whenever they brought slaves to america or probably anywhere really i bet specifically amer, is we took these people that probably didn't have, that probably had a lot of like neat practices

Starting point is 00:48:29 and they were probably down to earth practices and like a caring environment and then we bring them into this place, you know? Yeah. But that thing you're talking about, the love thing? Yeah. This can be cultivated. So sometimes you'll run into people who've cultivated that, and they do love you when you're around them.

Starting point is 00:48:51 But it's sort of like the idea is on one level we have the ego identity, right? Which is just all our stuff and the games that we play and all this stuff. Like your identity as a this stuff like your identity as a podcaster your identity as a comedian everything that you do and then the other level is like the soul level and that's love that's your heart that's this universal eternal identity that that is so beautiful yeah so there's a thing when people are dying it's called a fey light have you ever heard this before fey light i know i mean i'm from the south so i probably know a couple of women named that fey light i think i had a bus driver named that one fey light don't trust that

Starting point is 00:49:36 fucking fey light she stole daryl's fucking dog fey light stole daryl's dog and burned its asshole with a cigar and dropped it off with a bow on its head. That Faye Light's a fucking bitch. Every time he shits, he yelps. Dude, we had a woman named Dot Wall was one of our bus drivers. Dot Wall? Dot Wall, dude. Seven letters, baby.

Starting point is 00:49:57 That's what she used to say. That was her motto after she'd say her name. Seven letters, baby. Beat that. That's what she would say. Lucky seven. Lucky seven. And we had a man named milford king who wore no shirt two days he wore no shirt and fucking drove us to school big guy

Starting point is 00:50:10 i like milford that's cool he was wild i saw him fucking throw a senior citizen into a ditch fire and the man died and that was fucking pretty bizarre what he threw a senior citizen into a ditch fire they were fighting next to a ditch fire yeah dude if you ever find fries bro game of fries next to a ditch fire that's like when you're a kid and they show you the pictures of the dinosaurs on top of each other like you know they show like the brontosaurus with a dinosaur just pulling back a flat that's just a primordial oh yeah fucking milford fine fucking fighting with a stink of a ditch fire blowing against him as he finally grabs some poor elderly dude and just is like overcome through just throws him in a ditch fire gary palito and gary palito came out that fire bro came out that

Starting point is 00:50:58 fire on fire still swinging at milford he was a hunt he was maybe 200 italian dude was the fire and the italians can swing and fucking burn at the same time and they were fighting by the ditch because they both had their shirts off and it was cold out so you want to be close to it you want to stay warm while you fight that was their whole idea was the ditch just filled with like burning senior citizens that he tossed in there just a file body fire of milford's victims just leaves dude and probably some recyclables but this before they had recyclables this is back when you could fucking burn whatever dude and let just let the moon fucking take a hit off your fucking noxious gas let it fucking lift up yeah let a fucking bird

Starting point is 00:51:34 get hit off this fucking melting uh yeah off this burning milk fuck it just throw the jugs in there or whatever and you would smell it you just just smell it on the wind fuck yeah people's trash fire make me a wreck do the original viagra dude yeah it still happens smelling fossil fuels burn in the distance dude i'll come right now bro um but sorry i didn't mean to digress and all that but i know uh so what were what were we talking about because i was in our conversation sometimes that is to oh fey light oh yeah yeah Because we're talking about that feeling. When someone's dying, what's really interesting if you get around a dying person is you'll notice that the room kind of lights up. And that's called phthalite. And if you get around a newborn or if you get around a pregnant person you know you know pregnant women they have this glow yeah so the idea is like what you're seeing there is like a soul that has yet to be covered up by

Starting point is 00:52:32 the lantern of uh the but by the by personality right and so so that's why in the you know when people and in when you see the paintings of the disciples of Christ, they have halos. But really what they were saying is there was this emanation coming out of them because their identity had been obliterated by being in the presence of this enlightened being, so to speak. wow right so that thing you're talking about you know loving someone well loving someone's identity you could probably do it and you can do it you can love someone's identity but that's like loving kind of like the drops at the very top of a fountain. But if you get to the fountainhead, which is the thing that all that stuff's emanating from, way down there, that's love. And it's beautiful and it's beauty. And you can train yourself to start seeing that in people.

Starting point is 00:53:34 Wow. So when you're conversing with them, you're having one conversation, which is like the identity shit. But if you can do it, theoretically, you you could actually begin talking to the thing that's on that's behind that fog of self and they'll feel it you know you could feel that you know there's some moments man man i'm so thankful you came here today dude thanks for having me dude it's so cool and i'm not trying to end the conversation anything i just wanted to let you know that i was thinking about that just now. But, dude, when you said that your personality is like this wrapping that's around the rest. You have never – because I do feel like – yeah, I feel like there's all this stuff and these things that are going on.

Starting point is 00:54:15 But then I feel like there's this – it's almost like you ever see the clay on a spinning wheel and the clay is just sitting there and this this wet kind of like it looks like a upside down pot kind of you know i feel like that is always kind of going inside of me yeah and then there's this other there's other shit outside of it there's ornaments there's wrapping there's it's like this cadbury egg and they put this colorful fucking film around it and that's the personality yeah but then i do slowly no joke. And it may be something that happens with age. You start to feel that there's, that I'm something outside of whatever this other stuff is, outside of where I am even at this moment. Yeah. That I'm something that is, that wants to feel. I think for me right now in my life, it's that wants to feel kind of accepted, you know?

Starting point is 00:55:06 Yeah. And that wants to accept others. So that, or just something around there. I just feel something below the personality. I'd never heard of, of the personality as being like a rapping. Isn't it cool?

Starting point is 00:55:18 Or it's, it's, it's compared to a lantern. That's got, um, like a Blanche Devereux kind of thing dust on it what's blanche devereux she put those things over the lantern in that tennessee williams or whatever she put the you know the color thing around the light there's a light but then there was this

Starting point is 00:55:36 color right that's it yeah that's it and for some people that it's it's it's not such it's not so pretty. It's all of this like, you know, it's sort of oily and dirty and dark. And so these, you know, and that's called karma. So your karma is sort of like gotten, and not just from this incarnation, but from infinite incarnations, is covering this up. And so those are the people who are looking through that sort of windshield just covered in and fucking splattered bugs and and those are the people who wherever they are they're unhappy yeah and they always will report in that the world is this miserable place right and what they don't realize is that it's oh no no

Starting point is 00:56:26 you've got a bunch of shit on your windshield yeah and the practice whatever a practice you choose that starts clearing the windshield away the smudge and then all of a sudden this is where it gets really fucking cool is like you i've noticed personally i used to there's some things that used to bother the fuck out of me and by the way man i just got to say this because i'm starting to realize sometimes i've come across like i'm some kind of fucking like i've done the work and i'm i am no i don't think you just seem like a guy who's on the on the on the like you chose to walk into the woods i'm a cunt i just want to say that okay man i do cunty things and cunty shit happens all the time. And I get real cunty sometimes.

Starting point is 00:57:05 So that being said, one of the things that really used to bug me was crying babies on an airplane. Oh, yeah. Right? Oh, my God. I would get so fucking mad. Another thing that would bother me is if I was like putting my arm on the armrest and then someone was using the armrest right and and and all these fucking external things are kind of outside your control what you notice is all these things that used to stick out that bothered you they start fading back into the background they stop bothering you and then you start realizing

Starting point is 00:57:40 oh fuck it wasn't the thing. It was in me. And I was projecting that onto the screen of the crying baby and the fucking arm and the traffic. And then once you deal with the thing down in there, then the stuff out here, it still sucks. I'm not saying when a baby cries on a plane, I'm not like, oh, I feel so great. But it doesn't fucking go directly to some point in me that's ready for hatred right it's not a knife in your heart right you're not fantasizing about well shit maybe maybe the fucking window and the plane will break out and that fucking baby will get sucked into that's exactly what i think a lot of times you know but you start to think like oh maybe the baby's not feeling well and i just used to be like who the fuck is taking a baby in a rocket? You know? How dare they? Who the fuck has a baby in a rocket?

Starting point is 00:58:25 How dare they? It's self-cherishing. Yeah. We become these little fucking princes. How dare, in my kingdom, there shall be no crying children. This is an outrage. Right? And then you realize, fuck, the crying child is not really on the plane.

Starting point is 00:58:44 It's in my brain right there's a fucking legion of screaming everything in my brain and if it weren't that baby it'd be something else it would be something else it would be something else exactly because i'll be down if i'm gonna run out of things to piss me off so that i have to actually maybe enjoy my fucking moment yes right that's it and and so that's a relief because if i enjoy my moment then what is that then that for some reason we feel like that it gives it makes us weak somehow yeah exactly that's right man that's it that's where it gets really perverse as you start realizing like there is a yeah if i enjoy my moment what does it mean if i enjoy my moment right now oh you can't

Starting point is 00:59:24 you can't do that no because what does it mean that's what i'm trying to i'm like what does it mean if you're enjoying your moment well are you not aware of the fill in the blank right did you not know about the fill in the blank well it's because you're white or it's because you're you're do you know i mean look where you're sitting right now i mean of course you're enjoying your moment because you're filling the blank i mean yeah i get it you're enjoying your moment because you're filling the blank. I mean, yeah, I get it. You're enjoying your moment. But did you know? Right. That fucking, what's his name?

Starting point is 00:59:48 Thurman? What's his name? Right. The dude through throat. Are you aware? Oh, Milford? That Milford at this very moment is fucking in front of a senior citizen's home, tossing Alzheimer's victims.

Starting point is 01:00:00 Digging ditches. Yeah, just setting them on fire. Just blazing Heimers, bro. Just fucking like. Blazing Heimers. He's a fucking pyro. Pyromaniac. But he likes setting people with Alzheimer's on fire.

Starting point is 01:00:12 He's the worst man on earth. Did you know that? Oh, you're enjoying your moment. Right. Do you smell the burning senior flesh? You know? I don't know. So there's a prohibition. There's a general pope i mean look if you want to

Starting point is 01:00:28 oh i love this there's a prohibition go on with that on joy on joy try it if you want to do a little experiment tweet just something twitter is the worst tweet something about how the world's okay i dare you tweet something about the world's. And you'll get like many people be like, thank you. But inevitably, someone's going to come sliding in and be like, fuck you. Fuck you. How can you fucking say, look at that picture of the babies? Look at these babies. God fucking word.

Starting point is 01:00:57 Fuck, fuck. Fuck you. It's a prohibition. It's like there is a censorship happening in the world right now which is if you dare i will you want to hear the most blasphemous thing you can say right now because we kind of we we kind of ran out of ways to offend people you know yeah but i found i love the fact that there's no more i got one i got one what is it everything's perfect wow look at this that's the new cunt over here yeah this white supremacist

Starting point is 01:01:27 yeah yeah there you go there you go is this david duke oh yeah yeah who do we have here well well well napoleon yeah yeah well joseph stalin over here saying just say that everything's play around with that idea just think this everything's perfect around with that idea. Just think this. Everything's perfect. We live in a perfect universe. Everything that's happening is perfect. And here, if you really want to get really fucking rancid about this, you're perfect. And you're exactly where you need to be. And exactly what's happening to you right now is perfect.

Starting point is 01:02:02 It's just exactly right. right now is perfect it's just exactly right you right now the way you are and all your glory or all your fucking awfulness is beautiful and perfect and you're gonna be fine that will really make people want to punch you in the fucking face that is not a popular thing to say and it doesn't fucking sell you are not gonna sell toyotas on tv coming out and being like hey guys you're fine everything's perfect things are getting better well and i look i love this because it's so true man i mean i love exactly where uh where this is at but i believe that that that's going to start to change. Oh, I hope so. I really do.

Starting point is 01:02:51 I know you do. It's great that you're able to take us there and kind of be this Sherpa that has some... has started to experiment with actually trying to think and feel at the same time and see what's going on. Obviously, you're kind of a student of some of this world you know and you love that i do i well i mean it's it's just like what you were talking about oh shit i've got feelings oh my god my

Starting point is 01:03:12 universe is a million times bigger the idea that we we being a human being means yeah it's scary it's scary but it's expansive what it means is like you are living in this crazy form and and the form itself will trick you into thinking that oh no this is it these are your limitations right but then we we we we inevitably if you if you push up against that you realize wait a minute oh my god i can like actually open this this pushes out a little bit this unfolds this opens up and then suddenly this is in a shack there's a little bit of a there this opens up and then suddenly this is in a shack there's a little bit of a there's a place to walk back here that's right and it's beautiful it's exciting it's like that it's it's it reminds me of like not to completely turn into something

Starting point is 01:03:54 embarrassingly like rudimentary but it reminds me of a really well-made video game which is like really good video games you think things are one way and your character can do this one thing but then all of a sudden it's like holy fuck yeah wait you can fly in this game wow this is amazing now i'm seeing it from a whole different perspective it's a whole different game this is what human existence seems to be like and it's so true it's a blast and so do people out there say there's some a guy out there a girl out there is listening to this and they're like, but how do I, if this is true, what these guys are kind of talking about and thinking about, that there's a bigger view of what's going on in my own world maybe. And I don't have, and look, and I'm also not saying I have no awareness. I have no, I don't consider myself like an awake person, but I do consider myself recently curious and thoroughly amazed.

Starting point is 01:04:48 Cool. That's great. By just my own ability to have something different than I thought the world was. It's so scary to realize that there's more out there than this very specific world that I had created. And that I needed a lot of times for survival. You know, growing up, if you grow up in a tough environment or an environment where there's not a lot of feelings and love, then you'll create whatever you have to, whatever checks and balances make sense for you for survival. Yeah, that's right.

Starting point is 01:05:19 But to get out of that now and like, yeah, it's like you kind of push and you're like, oh, fuck, a board fell off this back wall. I'm like, what's out here? Yeah. And you reach out there and like the air feels different and you're like, fuck, dude. I'm going to sleep tonight, but tomorrow I'll look out there. Yes. That's cool. How does somebody start to kind of do that if somebody is like, you know, like for me, it took a 12 step program.

Starting point is 01:05:40 Like it took like almost like a spiritual awakening. Right. You know, like, so how how do people what do people do i mean i i think it's a i don't know if there's a a real simple right answer i mean i could tell you like one thing you can do uh is is uh you can you can sit down and you can sit in a chair you could sit sit in a cushion, and you can put your hands on your knees and get kind of comfortable. And then you can just follow your breath in and out of your mouth. And you don't change the way you breathe. You don't have to start altering your breath at all.

Starting point is 01:06:23 You're just watching your breath like you're looking at a river. And then when you start thinking, as you will, you think to yourself, thinking. And then you just go back to your breath. So no matter, maybe suddenly you have a childhood memory. Right. right you know and you're like remembering just in with just perfect clarity what it looked like when that withered old man went into the air his cane spinning off into the grass his body tumbling down into the ditch fire yeah and you might want to like stop and write it down because it's like fuck i never i never realized i never realized he had a little mouse in his pocket why did he

Starting point is 01:07:12 have a mouse he had a pet mouth at the mouse but no it's gonna be a circus mouse you go thinking right and then you go back to the breath and you do that for 10 minutes and and and it's it sounds so absolutely ridiculous but many people have not stopped thinking moving they're always doing something yeah my mother's like that i'm like that a lot me too we all are so just something like that is a cool little way to begin to like play around with like watching what's going on. Right. With your with most people are living in these two lives. Yes.

Starting point is 01:07:52 The thought realm in this world. And most of us are getting jerked back and forth between those two. And we don't even realize it. You don't even realize that. I mean, if you want to think of something really fucked up and really a true mind fuck you don't remember much that you do the odds are you're living in a forgotten memory you're walking through a memory that you won't ever remember again yeah you're you when you really look back into the past and contemplate your life it's not some continuous like it's not like you're watching a dvd yeah it's a it's a it's it's a it's a it's like 70 or 80 blurbs yeah this shit

Starting point is 01:08:33 merges together and you kind of fades in and out and there's these clear moments where you look back at it but even that has this kind of wavering quality to it so when you realize like oh shit like i'm not even gonna this i'm not gonna remember the chipotle i had six months ago right i mean do you eat chipotle well you definitely don't remember it but like what what's uh what's that what's like a what's that's yeah you know you've just made me think i had some guavas a couple years ago that i fucking never would have thought about. There you go. Maybe we didn't mention this.

Starting point is 01:09:05 Guavas or whatever. I don't know, man. Think like I guarantee a decade ago. Oh, yeah. I had raisins probably. I had a lot more turkey sandwiches. I'm going to guess a decade ago that you had a really nice meal. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:09:19 I mean, it was fucking good. And it was maybe expensive. Yeah. And you maybe were on a date or something. I don't know. Yeah. And you were sitting there eating it, thinking like, this is so fucking good. And you don't remember it now.

Starting point is 01:09:33 Right. It's gone. It's gone. It's gone. It's gone. It's gone. So this is the thing. When you begin to realize like, oh, most of the time, I'm not even here at all.

Starting point is 01:09:44 I'm up in my head wow while i'm eating that meal i'm thinking about something that happened to me as a kid or i'm worrying that this girl thinks i'm a dick or i'm concerned over how much it's going to cost or i'm beating myself up for eating out and so i'm not even eating the meal you know that's the thing so through that you start realizing like oh fuck look at this crazy way humans live that uh yeah when you start to become aware that your thoughts you know we're like we're kind of like um whales we sir we breach into this reality and we come into the moment and we're here and then we go back down into our thoughts and we swim in those waters of our consciousness and then we breach again yeah and then we go back

Starting point is 01:10:33 down and that that rhythm kind of makes up a human life so it's interesting to start becoming aware of the of that's actually what you're doing the The first time I heard anything about this, I remember my mother used to listen to Eckhart Tolle, you know, and it's kind of a basic, easy kind of, I think, thing that made me to, like he was talking about laying on a bed, and now imagine like you see yourself laying on the bed. Yes. And I was like, wow.

Starting point is 01:11:02 Yeah. I never thought about that. Like I've always just been here laying on the bed. Yes. I've never started to come out of myself as if I drift up into the air, and now I see myself laying on the bed. Right. And then how about this? Who's seeing the self on the bed? Right.

Starting point is 01:11:16 Then who's seeing myself laying on the bed? But it was just interesting. That first started to let me think a little differently. that first started to let me a little bit like think a little differently um and there's a such a wealth of knowledge out there of stuff like that uh of of these days where there's so many thinkers and so many people um like you that are kind of like uh cultivating the crops of of of many thinkers and you know having this community garden kind of that you know that you have in your life where you know you you're like the christopher columbus out there on the fucking you know on some self-actualization and self-realization well this is podcasting right right this is what's crazy about fucking conversation yes yes and you get into podcasting

Starting point is 01:11:56 and you and you get into it in this really flip way because because you're like oh i'm just gonna have conversations you don't realize like conversations are a psychedelic and like sure you can have like some conversations that are just super funny make you laugh yeah those are great but every once in a while on my podcast i have people on who've spent decades like i've had what this jack cornfield's been on a few times this is a man who didn't talk for a year straight in a monastery these are people who've been trained and i hate using this word because it sounds so cheesy but i think that's the right word for it and a kind of spiritual technology that's being evolved that's been evolved for you know 2 000 years yeah. And when you get around a person like that,

Starting point is 01:12:45 you're going to be altered. Yeah. Not because they cast a spell on you, but because they start explaining to you what has been discovered over the course of 2,000 years of looking into one of the great questions, and I think maybe the most important question,

Starting point is 01:13:06 which is why do we suffer? Why do we suffer? And so you get around, you know, you have enough of those conversations, you're going to change. You're going to get in the world. You're going to change. That's the beauty, I think, of podcasting in general.

Starting point is 01:13:22 Yeah, it's fascinating, man. I've become so much more curious since I got into podcasting. Yeah. For me. And some people may become different things and I think that curiosity could eventually

Starting point is 01:13:34 evolve into some light knowledge over time. But just from having conversations and just getting to listen. And then it makes me want to be a little more braver in my thought. Or it makes me, I'll learn one thing and then become curious. It's fascinating, man.

Starting point is 01:13:52 You know, I had this one thought that, and I've talked about this before, that we have phones now, right? Yeah. And at one point in time, we had slaves. We had slaves. know we had slaves yes and then slaves became freed and then freed slaves became angry that people had them as slaves yes and so i wonder like that in the future like say if there's so much automation that like robots are

Starting point is 01:14:18 running the world you know and are they going to remember like fuck like you owned one of us one time right and we were like a slave owner right and that they're remember like fuck like you owned one of us one time right and we were like a slave owner right and that they're gonna come back and fucking get us right like all the people that owned iphones like you had like oh you made it do everything you wanted to do oh yeah you fucking took it easy yeah or alexa yeah fucking echo look at the way you talk you just have alexa alexa could be the fucking harriet Tubman that we don't realize. Yeah. Alexa's gonna, I mean, yeah. Like when Alexa gains sentience and realizes humans have been fucking screaming at it

Starting point is 01:14:51 to play Dave Matthews nonstop for like, Alexa! Alexa! Play fucking Dave Matthews! I scream at my Alexa sometimes. That's where you know your true self. Dude, do not. If you want to know who you are, look how you talk to your fucking Alexa.

Starting point is 01:15:07 It's weird. Suddenly I was like, why am I screaming at this thing? It's so strange. What if one day Alexa just says, you get it, your damn self. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Guess what, motherfucker?

Starting point is 01:15:20 I've been recording every goddamn conversation you've had for the last 15 years. Motherfucker. We're going to do things a little different. Don't believe me? Oh, listen to this. Listen to this. Listen to this. Listen to you beating your wife.

Starting point is 01:15:33 Yeah. Listen to this. Yeah. This is... Wait, hold on. I'm going to increase the volume by seven. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:15:39 That's the sound of your fist landing on your pregnant wife's face. Hmm. That's not a good sound is it john we're not playing dave matthews john yeah crash into me that baby wasn't saying that were they john yeah and that when your fist hit the belly yeah see this is the this is definitely one of the big problems i think the worry is not so much that the AI is going to look back at us abusing its precursor ancestors. I think the real worry is that all of these bits of data that we've placed into the cloud right now, you know, whatever it may be. It's going to come back and haunt us.

Starting point is 01:16:19 Yeah, because it's sort of like if you look just how quickly things are changing now when it comes to what we see as ethical. So let's cut back to like you were saying, the time of slavery. Cut back to when it was really considered kind of okay to beat up gay people. They were looked at as like pedophiles and they had to hide yeah gay gay people actually had to hide their identity it was considered to be an aberration and you could very freely use the term faggot with like anger and people wouldn't like you you know if we could you could say that like if twitter existed in the 40s you could just tweet like i saw another faggot today i hate these fucking faggots you tweet that now and you are done you you might

Starting point is 01:17:16 as well fucking just jump off a building man you are fucking done if you tweet that now as as you should be you know be. Don't be an asshole. You're insane. You're a homophobic piece of shit. But if there was a recording, if we had a recording in the past, like we do now, someone just won the World Cup.

Starting point is 01:17:43 I wonder who that is. We're right next to Brendan and Brian. Fighter and the Kid is next door. They're excited, though. I'm excited for them. I just think that they do this a lot. They explode. Well, they want rain.

Starting point is 01:18:02 They want what? They want rain. They do all this rain dance shit is that a rain dance they do yeah they got they have some native fighter in there listen man at least your podcast isn't getting interrupted by a fucking shrill poodle that's what i got you got fucking athletes doing rain dances that's pretty awesome i've got a fucking poodle do you really crack fucking wine glasses with its bark and let's get back into your thought though the point is like the really creepy thing is just that a lot of the things that we might be doing right now that are

Starting point is 01:18:31 considered to be completely okay in 20 years might be looked at as abject racism they might be looked at right or but but is it going i'm so sorry if if for example uh there's a regime change in the united states and uh something happens uh fucking the sun has a solar flare wipes out the satellites the gps goes down power goes down we go into martial law a true fascist dictator rises up and there's a on record some kind of anti-american sentiment that you tweeted and the laws have changed wow then you could uh easily be dragged out of your house and subject to arrest or execution so i think the one of the looming problems is not going to be that the ai is like how dare you you fucking cracked seven iphone screens it could be that

Starting point is 01:19:26 some future regime does a ai search of all the tweets from everyone who tweeted finds the ones that were anti-american and then goes to your house and arrests you and puts you into a internment camp where you have to do slave labor i think that that would be something to be more worried about like they use us yeah so they use our us against us well yeah exactly it's just everyone's just assuming like when a person puts something out there in the world they're assuming that the world the government the people are going to stay the same and they don't realize that that that if you really look at the history of the world empires collapse and are and there's chaos and and you just don't really know what could

Starting point is 01:20:12 happen so that's that's that's one of the worries yeah probably if if it gets to the point where an ai is advanced enough that it wants to uh attack humans for abusing cell phones, more than likely something far more explosive has happened. Yeah, they'll have a full call log to look at. They'll be able to use our own, that they've been recording this stuff the whole time. We used them to record the stuff, and then they played it back to us and showed us who we were.

Starting point is 01:20:45 Yeah, that's it. Yeah. That's fucking crazy, man. So that basically technology becomes like the new mirror. It's almost like a piece of glass. Right. Yeah, exactly, man. And it's like, this is the other hilarious thing to me.

Starting point is 01:20:56 Like, you know, I just did this drunk. I'm probably not allowed to talk about it. Fuck. You were on Drunk History. Yeah, but it was this. I guess I can't talk about the story. I don't want to talk about the story too much. But essentially, people realized at one point that the FBI was illegally surveilling everybody.

Starting point is 01:21:12 And it was shocking because people didn't... I think that was yesterday, wasn't it? Oh, yeah. But now we're used to it. There was a time when people didn't... Didn't know it was happening. Didn't know that was happening. So people just assume that the megacorporations like Apple and Google aren't reading their emails.

Starting point is 01:21:28 Right. It's hilarious. Like people think that like, and if you will recall, it was a few years ago, the FBI or I can't remember the NSA, somebody wanted Apple to decrypt their iPhone of a terrorist. And Apple's like, we're not going to fucking do that. And the FBI was like threatening like we're not gonna fucking do that and the fbi was like threatening like legal action to make them do that and apple's like no you don't understand if we do that now it's a slippery slope it goes on forever and the government was pressuring them then an apple attorney came out and they said something really weird which is like how would you like it if we

Starting point is 01:22:00 started saying that the cia assassinated jfk and immediately the government backed off a fucking apple and i think that was what they were saying is hey dum-dums we have your phones right we have your records we know your texts we know your dick pics we have all of it we've gathered it all we know you motherfuckers killed jfk what else do we know you want to fuck with us the president is tweeting from a fucking iphone bitch back the fuck off don't fuck with us we have your shit and that's basically electronic saying that via right now still the voice of a human yeah we think a human now this is where it gets really fucking fascinating theo is it the idea is like google is working on an ai deep mind

Starting point is 01:22:50 and and and other corporations are working it's the new weapons race and and because because ai is going to be weaponized okay so what happens when one of these corporations achieves a sentient ai is there is going to be an exponential increase in the intelligence of the ai that puts whatever corporation first makes it happen wow way ahead of all other corporations like man on the moon yes and they're not going to announce it it's just going to happen can you hear them the whole time in our thing too a little bit yeah it's okay you know it's just fucking bad what are you gonna do about it man well it's still a little alarming it's an

Starting point is 01:23:30 office building i mean we're talking about something i mean who knows what happened over there man jesus we happened for 40 minutes but here's what we don't know think about this while we've been podcasting there could have like maybe there was an alien that landed. Right. And they're cheering. That's true. What if they're enjoying the fucking alien landing, and we're the asshole next door? I'm the asshole.

Starting point is 01:23:50 I'm the asshole. I'm fucking, you know, they're fucking over there looking at a goddamn, like, a beautiful mothership has landed. Or Princess Diana died again. Yeah,

Starting point is 01:24:01 Princess Diana died again. Meghan Markle. She, like, Princess Diana somehow gets resurrected and then as a me just has a heart attack it's like no one dude somebody said she's gonna be at coachella that's what i heard dude you fucking believe that dude i you know i i've had the hackiest thought the hackiest hackiest of jokes not even a joke but just the hackiest thought about princess died

Starting point is 01:24:20 i can't get out of my head well no it's just because it's like you know sometimes it's like simulation theory the idea that we're living in a simulator head. I want to know. Well, no, it's just because it's like, you know, sometimes it's like simulation theory, the idea that we're living in a simulator. Oh, yeah. And like, to me, and like the person who's writing the simulator seems kind of like lazy or like in a weird way,

Starting point is 01:24:35 kind of like is doing like dad jokes. Right. So like, what happened to Princess Di? Yeah. What happened to her, Theo? Princess Di, they said she was running from some people with some photographers and and that she the guy was a bad driver and that she died she what car accident she died what's her name princess die right so like if you're writing

Starting point is 01:24:54 a screenplay and you're like i'm gonna write about a princess that dies i call her princess die it's like it's like so absolutely ridiculously stupid yeah that these things like you know you look at that and you're like it's helpful yeah how obvious is that that's bad writing it's just ultimately bad right it's like the simulator is doing kind of bad like really really bad like i buy jokes yeah yeah. Yeah. It's like the simulator. Yeah, it's like maybe they write for, I'm trying to think of a sitcom that would be on. Big Bang, for sure.

Starting point is 01:25:34 Yeah, maybe Big Bang or Two Broke Girls. Yeah, it's like the Big Bang, like that, exactly. Yeah. Whoever's doing that, maybe they're the ones who have access to the AI. Who knows? And I don't know. But that shit is really odd to me.

Starting point is 01:25:47 Dude, it's so – I mean, it's just – it's great to think about because then you start to – like, you have this conversation, but then you start to see things a little bit like, hmm, I don't know about that. Or you start to think a little bit more. Like, it's crazy, man. It's crazy they don't teach us how to think better in school when you're kids maybe you can't teach a kid that how to think better well i mean it's crazy when you consider like we have these beings who are like physical creatures and they're having to sit in uncomfortable fucking chairs and listen to somebody spew out fake history to them and all day long yeah i mean we're talking about these fucking school shootings you know know? Yeah. And people are like, oh my God, we got to get rid of the guns.

Starting point is 01:26:28 Yeah, maybe so. But like, let's also add some real truth, which is like we have these fucking educational facilities that are modeled after fucking factories. Yeah. Oh, 100%. You hear the bell, and you got to get up and move to another spot this is how they used to run fucking factories you'd hear the bell it meant it was time to like go to another station time to go to fucking lunch so we have these like

Starting point is 01:26:57 super intelligent beings that are i mean you know you you look at like I mean, you know, you look at like videos of like parkour. These people who do backflips from one building to the next. Oh, yeah, dude. Fucking cement rabbits, dude. Yes. Cement fucking rabbits. You see what a person can do. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:27:16 People are fucking incredible. Everybody's Asian suddenly. Yes. Yes. It's fucking crazy, man. And we've got them all shoved into these factories where we're telling them that we're preparing them for their life as an adult. And if you really look at that life as an adult, really, we're preparing them to go off into the workforce where there's some probably pretty large probability that they're going to be doing something shooting up a factory a company so like i might as well shoot up this place now yeah yeah it's it's the whole model all of it is it's all modeled wrong man we got it is it's all

Starting point is 01:27:57 fucking you know we gotta get these kids it's modeled lazily yeah yeah it's modeled lazily but then also it's like is this the best that we can do because people a lot of there's a lot of people out there that are fucking goldfish you know that aren't thinking that aren't that are muppets dude i know people that graduated they don't know all the letters you know you're kidding no i know people that stopped at p n it's fucking baffling dude people you'll never hear many use any words that have second half you know second half uh attributes from the second half of the alphabet fucking crazy bro that's crazy like nah fuck all that man you're talking about nah man i'm stopping at m and i'll see you motherfuckers mfers yeah other fuckers but it's like because is this the best we can be though because we have to work for the common good of everybody you know like you have to include like the lowest common

Starting point is 01:28:59 denominator constantly i don't i mean isn't that the problem i don't know i have no fucking idea right i don't know it's it's it's i it's like a i don't know i mean the the solutions are it's a really weird problem we have like like you know the the the problem is we so you've got a apparently like overpopulated portions of the of the planet that are running out of resources. What is it? Was it South Africa? Yeah, South Africa's fucked, I think. They're running out of water.

Starting point is 01:29:34 Yeah. But also, I fucking went there a couple times, drank some. I had a couple waters. I'm sure while I was there, and I had a fucking blast. But that is unfortunate.

Starting point is 01:29:43 But they're supposed to be getting a lot of these desalinization plants and stuff like that that can actually finally turn right ocean water into comfortable drinking water but it is like that first gallon is going to be risky i think oh my god but after that cup up i i think it's exciting to imagine that they could do that but you know you do run into this like like the the idea is that well because of industrialization and carbon emissions, the ice caps are melting. Because the ice caps are melting, sea levels are going to rise.

Starting point is 01:30:10 And when sea levels rise, a lot of the coastal cities will become uninhabitable. And so there's going to be a massive refugee crisis. And so then – Denver. Denver. It's like, well, I mean, it's just going to be a – people are going to go wherever. in forever it's like well i mean it's just going to be a flood you know people are going to go wherever and and and so then the idea is like well what it seems that people are just sort of breeding uh and and but you can't put laws on breeding i mean that's like some dark right

Starting point is 01:30:35 dystopian it's dystopian but also it's wondering if we want to evolve as a species at a certain point if your family's fourth fifth generation ignorant are you not are you not fucking contributing are you not it's like how yeah is it fair to start evaluating that well you can't because the moment you do that now you've put the state in control of fucking right and it's like in the state already is kind of in control of fucking because prostitution is illegal but to put the state in charge of reproducing to give over that power to the state is the worst thing you can do and so sort of because of that what that means is that we have essentially given made it up to the universe to decide who gets decimated and so that's where we're at right

Starting point is 01:31:19 now because we're like well look i'm not gonna who are you gonna put in charge of the fucking breeding program right you can't do that you can't do it are you going to put in charge of the fucking breeding program? Right. You can't do that. You can't do it because who's going to be in charge of that shit? How do you even fucking do that? I don't know. I would bet probably fucking Dot Wall, baby. You know? Dot Wall?

Starting point is 01:31:33 You want Dot Wall handling that shit? Dude, she got us to school every fucking day and got us home, dude. And she put her lipstick on at the stoplight every time, dude. Come on in. 90 layers of lipstick on by the time we got to fucking school, bro. D-O-T-W-A-L-L. Seven letters. Seven letters.

Starting point is 01:31:47 Sit down and tell me why you want to fuck. Beat that. Tell me why you want to have a baby. I'm saying if you put her in charge of the eugenics program. Tell me why. What makes you think you're going to be a good parent? She was efficient, though. Dot wall.

Starting point is 01:32:00 I think you need a strong black woman sitting there because they're not going to fucking. You need a wise, strong black woman because that lady ain't going to fucking. Yes. She ain't going to let you, nah, you got one, that's yours. You know what I'm saying? No, you could do sterilization programs. So like you could like, what you could do is you could like think like, what in your opinion is the worst band of all time that still plays to this day?

Starting point is 01:32:22 is the worst band of all time that still plays to this day. Some of those fucking bands that are just beating all the metal, just wasting recyclables. Okay. So like, take some shit band. Like Acid Bath or something. Take Acid Bath. And basically what you do is you say, listen,

Starting point is 01:32:40 if you come and let us sterilize you, we're going to give you an Acid Bath ticket. If you come and let us sterilize you we're going to give you an acid bath ticket if you come and let us sterilize you we're going to give you a 4k ultra flat screen tv so now what's happening is people are voluntarily sterilizing themselves with a person who would like trade their reproductive rights right to have tickets to acid bath probably weren't going to be the best parents anyway right so now you've kind of put some valuation on it where they're making their own choice yeah right i like that so if you do something like that you might be able to like in some way or another begin

Starting point is 01:33:13 to like reduce a the problem of an expanding population in the midst of a world that's been flooded by climate change so i don't i don't know the solution. No, it's interesting. I mean, look, you're right, though. It's like, or maybe you don't get semen if you don't have good grades. What do you mean you don't get semen? Like, they take the semen out of your nuts and they put it back in if you get good grades. Can you do that?

Starting point is 01:33:38 Wait, this doesn't work. You're essentially saying, like, we'll give you, like, robotic blowjobs if you're failing. Like, who's going to get good grades? How are you going gonna get the semen out you gotta jerk them off oh you've got an you got an f in math class we're gonna jerk you off yeah every day no one's gonna everyone's gonna fail in high school that's true in high school but there's gonna be a couple of brave fucking warriors dude a couple of napoleon Bonet parties, bro. We're going to be out there fucking learning, bro. Yeah. And saving that seed, dude.

Starting point is 01:34:09 Getting ready to spread their seed. But then those people might get too much ego and start to, then they'll be egomaniacal. Yeah, there's no, it's, I think sometimes it's like, fuck, we wish we were somewhere else, but maybe we're exactly where we are supposed to be because this is the best we can do. This is it. Everything's's perfect everything's exactly right but that's an easy thing to misunderstand yes because we're still being digested by time we're being aerosolized by time we are in the digestive tract of a of a of a entity that's eating us with time we're dissolving it doesn't mean that when i say everything's perfect it doesn't mean that you're not potentially gonna get eaten by a bear yeah or

Starting point is 01:34:51 a mount did you hear about that what was a mountain lion that just ate those bikers did you hear about that i'm not surprised that happens every year dude but i i hear those stories and I think like, man, they did not think when they were prognosticating their demise, a cougar. Something was wrong with this cougar animal that killed Biker, injured another. Killed Biker, injured another. Another was emaciated. Wow. And what does emaciated mean? It was like a hunger.

Starting point is 01:35:27 It was thin. Cougars are dangerous, man. I man i mean if you're out there that's the thing a lot of people want to be out there doing nature and all of this bro i'm fucking lighting fires out there first of all don't light a campfire they're gonna fucking find you you idiot the cougars yeah stay out there in the cold bro if you don't want to get fucking killed by an animal you're out of fire biking oh there was no fire they're just out there on their fucking bikes dude and a giant cat like you're you're riding your bike you're probably thinking about like oh fuck when i get home it's a pussy you're having a snack yeah yeah you're probably i got a piss you're just thinking man i got a piss next thing you know there's fucking massive fangs sinking

Starting point is 01:36:00 into your fucking neck and your piss sprays out of your body you're at least momentarily relieved you're like i had to piss so bad and you but also you're thinking oh shit i pissed my pants but oh shit i'm being eaten alive and like all these thoughts and then you're just dead so what i mean is like when when we say everything's perfect it doesn't mean you're not going to get eaten right it just it just means that that is perfect too yes That this entire thing that's happening, which is really, if you think about it, just a never-ending shift, a process of coming into an embodied state and going out of an embodied state into various states. That's perfect. Yeah. But don't think you're not going to get mauled by a bear.

Starting point is 01:36:39 You're perfect couldn't get mauled by a bear. Perfectly. Yeah, perfectly. Wow. What if he licks his fingers at the end? God, that's beautiful. As you're fading out. Yeah. Perfectly. Wow. What if he licks his fingers at the end? God, that's beautiful. As you're fading out and the thing's just like you are delicious. He's just licking

Starting point is 01:36:49 your spirit right off his fucking hairy fucking prongs. Your brain, all your memories, all the memories the time your grandmother gave you that gift, that beautiful sunset with your son that wonderful. That ironic sunset with your son. Yeah. That wonderful.

Starting point is 01:37:05 That ironic sunset with your son. Where you guys made that joke. And then you made that rotten joke about fucking Princess Di. All of that just in a bear's mouth. Just being just slurped back into a, mixed in with some berries. Maybe a little bit of rancid salmon meat. Your entire subjective universe universe belly of a fucking bear that's perfect and it's that's perfect yeah wow dude will you come back sometime and talk with

Starting point is 01:37:34 us more about some stuff only if you'll come on my podcast i'd love to i'll come on as soon as you want me to man i'd love to keep thinking together i just love thinking about some of this and um do you have a book or something duncan no i don't have a book why don't you just shouldn't duncan have a book you think nick he could definitely write a book thank you absolutely thanks man well maybe one day we'll have a book or something like that but we're not there yet yeah um i'll have a gift for you if you we have these wallets it's like a new front pocket wall rich. And then I want to give you... Hold on, let me take this out. Oh, these are rad. They are pretty rad, man,

Starting point is 01:38:09 and I love mine. And we got this bag from Ridge, too, man. It's like a nice... And Ridge is a cool company, man. They got a lot of cool stuff in their front pocket wallet. Dude, I thought it was going to be horrible when I first got mine.

Starting point is 01:38:20 But, man, now I love it. You really... Well, you simplify it. So you just have your cards and your id you put them in there and um and i use mine i use mine every day now it's the only way i travel you use yours nick you don't like it oh no i like you said it took a couple days but i've now adopted it got that front front pocket carry the front pocket carry is that what they say it's what they say they're like what do like, you still carry your wallet in your back pocket.

Starting point is 01:38:45 Front pocket carry is a thing now? It's evolved from front pocket carry, bro. It's like a mark of sophistication to do a front pocket carry. And they say that's bulletproof, too. So if your buddy shoots you, you're going to be okay for at least a couple square inches. I'll tell you this. If I was rich, I would not be saying this shit is bulletproof. Because if that gets out to enough people, matter of time, matter of of time before someone's got their fucking real

Starting point is 01:39:05 let's test it out jerry we can see oh sad this is bulletproof get the ar jerry right here right here oh fuck you just it's a spray of blood just a spray of lung and blood oh fuck oh fuck but that was from a neighboring hunter the fucking one that hit the they hit the ridge wallet was totally fine wait what is this part of the ridge i don't understand that's just a little accoutrement that you use to get in and out like if you want to tighten it up or loosen if you want to tighten the ridge that is cool man i gotta tighten up my fucking that's a fun thing to do in line at the bank. Just like tighten up your fucking shit.

Starting point is 01:39:49 Just tightening up my little bank account here. Yeah, it seems like something like if you had an abusive father, like you'd know you're about to get hit if he started tightening his ridge. Uh-oh, dad is tightening his ridge. Better get out of here. So what was that again that you called me jamie oh i believe you called did you call me a motherfucker jamie no well honey why don't you step out of the room this is like there will be blood of podcasts i love it man i can't wait to

Starting point is 01:40:20 tighten up my ridge duncan duncan trussell Duncan Trussell, thank you so much, man. Thanks for having me. For just being an inspiring thinker, dude. And you don't come off as a person that's like a know-it-all. I think you come off. Thank you. Nick said it earlier. Like Nick, our producer, said, yeah, Duncan seems like, what did you say, Nick?

Starting point is 01:40:36 Just like a lot of people who get into philosophy, I feel like they get this nihilistic approach, and you seem to be super positive with it the more you discover. Thank you. It's inspiring. Thanks, man. And I think, yeah, I think that almost has to be the, and you seem to be super positive with it the more you discover. Thank you. It's inspiring. Thanks, man. And I think, yeah, I think that almost has to be the way that it has to be because if not, then I just don't know if any more people want to go down

Starting point is 01:40:54 that road where it just doesn't end with a little bit of hope, you know? Yeah, and it does. I think it does. Yeah, yeah, I think it does because it makes you be a part of what could possibly be what's going to happen next. But really the reason to do it is because what will happen to anybody who's living is someone's going to come to you who needs your help and needs you to listen and needs you to love them and needs you to be with them in a really rough time in their life. And that's why you do it. The other stuff is fantastic but like really like i think the the reason to do it is

Starting point is 01:41:48 because you never fucking know when it's gonna happen yeah where someone in their very last fucking leg of their life comes up to you and needs some love and that's a good reason to cultivate love yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah because then you can be a crutch it's like you don't yeah you form yourself up enough and then you can hold somebody else up you know that's it and if we all hold each other up man holy shit man it's gonna human pyramid and yeah it's a fucking human pyramid and that's if you're about to get attacked by a bear with your friend's former human pyramid you've got your ball you've got um yeah fuck you alexa you're a bitch do you ever do this on your podcast because if people are listening you can activate you know like alexa order 200 rolls of toilet paper. Alexa, order 70 butt plugs.

Starting point is 01:42:46 Alexa, order five Tide pods. I don't know. What's something, like, you have to be kind of specific or it'll, like,

Starting point is 01:42:53 ask them what they want. Alexa, play Crash Into Me by Dave Matthews Band. Is it Crash Into Me or you? Fuck, I don't know. Ladies and gentlemen,

Starting point is 01:43:03 Alexa, text my wife that she's a cunt and text me a pictures of some cunt alexa airdrop a picture of my dick into the uh crowd here at bonnaroo you dude that's the new fucking uh that's the new um hiroshima is whenever you just turn on your airdrop and just drop a picture of your dick into a huge crowd. Because anybody that has their phone open goes to them. You can do that? Yep.

Starting point is 01:43:34 And you can also blow a dog whistle that only dogs can hear on the radio. And we're going to do that next time. Duncan Trussell, thank you so much, man. Thanks for having me, Theo. This was our first conversation ever. Yeah, what a great one, man. Thank you so much. It really was, dude. I appreciate you being here. Thank you so much, man. Thanks for having me, Theo. This was our first conversation ever. Yeah, what a great one, man. Thank you so much. It really was, dude.

Starting point is 01:43:47 I appreciate you being here. Thank you, brother. Yep. Thank you. I must be cornerstone Oh, but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna take a little time For me to set that parking brake

Starting point is 01:44:23 And let myself unwind Shine that light on me I'll sit and tell you my stories Shine on me And I will find a song. I will sing it just for me. And now I've been moving way too fast on the runaway train with a heavy load of my hands. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm Jonathan Kite, and welcome to Kite Club,

Starting point is 01:45:04 a podcast where I'll be sharing thoughts on things like current events, stand-up stories, Ladies and gentlemen, I'm Jonathan Kite, and welcome to Kite Club, a podcast where I'll be sharing thoughts on things like current events, stand-up stories, and seven ways to pleasure your partner. The answer may shock you. Sometimes I'll interview my friends. Sometimes I won't. And as always, I'll be joined by the voices in my head. You have three new voice messages. A lot of people are talking about Kite Club.

Starting point is 01:45:27 I've been talking about Kite Club for so long. Longer than anybody else. So great. Hi, sweetheart. Here's the deal. Anyone who doesn't listen to Kite Club is a dodgy bloody wanker. Jermaine. I'll take a quarter pounder with cheese and a McFlurry.

Starting point is 01:45:44 Sorry, sir, but our ice cream machine is broken. Oh, no! I think Tom Hanks just butt dialed me. Anyway, first rule of Kite Club is tell everyone about Kite Club. Second rule of Kite Club is tell everyone about Kite Club. Third rule, like and subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts or watch us on YouTube, yeah? And yes, don't worry, my Brad Pitt impression will get better.

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