This Past Weekend - E414 Andrew Callaghan

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Starting point is 00:01:13 Today's guest is a connector. He's a man that bridges space between two things. He's a bridge. He might be a drawbridge at times. I don't know. We're going to learn just how he connects people. And we're going to talk about just his journey in journalism. You may know him from All Gas, No Breaks. From French Quarter Confessions. Or from his own Channel 5.

Starting point is 00:01:47 Today's guest is Andrew Callahan. I just got back into putting deodorant on. I actually didn't wear it for like a year. But then like just the past couple months, I don't know if my diet changed, but like the B.O. was back. So I actually just gave myself a hand soap like armpit bath in the podcast bathroom. I didn't know how close we were going to be sitting. So I was like, damn, I don't want you to be holding your tongue about my armpit odor the whole time.

Starting point is 00:02:43 Because that might send the interview in a different direction, subconsciously. Yeah, that's a good point, man. I hadn't thought about that. I think there are people you get around them. And when they got that odor, sometimes it repels you. Sometimes I notice it's almost like a well, it feels a little bit like not welcoming, but there's a human space in there that's kind of okay. Like you're fallible. Like you smell like I do. Yeah. Yeah. Like, okay, I'm a ride this guy.

Starting point is 00:03:16 I'll give this guy a chance. He smells like shit. We have a couple of stench bunnies. I'll ride with this on me right here. But I just, you know, I took a couple of years off too. And just the other day I put it on. And I was like, you know, I think there's something, it was a casual and it was like mint and something else. And one of those more like one somebody made in the woods or made at their house.

Starting point is 00:03:43 Yeah. And I was like, I can, I like this a little. Organic style? Yeah. Not like a typical axe chocolate or like old spice swagger or any of those like super heavy chemical ones. Yeah, that's the one that started getting scary. Yeah. I used to collect all that shit, all the axe flavors.

Starting point is 00:03:58 You did? I was a kid. Dude, they had, what you collected? I think I was a victim of the axe marketing. Like they had the axe chocolate commercial is like he walks out of the house and the ladies are just like all over him. And I was like, that's going to be me, dude. I was in seventh grade.

Starting point is 00:04:12 I was like, it's got to keep stacking up axe deodorant flavors and see which one works for me. Yeah. Boy, you get them axes. Boy, you get as much fucking deodorant as you can. Yeah. I remember something like that do being young in this. They had this fellow in our class named Michael and people used to beat him up a lot. And his dad could fix computers or whatever.

Starting point is 00:04:31 And where I was from, if somebody could fix computers, it was almost like they worked for Satan. You know, like people didn't want that. You know, can you fix a fucking truck boy? You know what I'm saying? Like get out of here with your damn wires, you know? And, and he I think felt like, dude, don't we give him power. And I remember he would put it on his whole body. Really?

Starting point is 00:04:51 Put it up and down his limbs and everything. Yeah. And it really didn't help him much. I made him, you know, it made him enjoyable to be around kind of, but I don't think it helped him in like the emotional sense that he was looking for, for like a parent, you know? Yeah. And he would put that old spice, the splash stuff on. Just all over his entire body. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:09 Like on the front of his hands. Yeah. Like a face too. I'm not sure how much he did on that young skin. It would probably really burn him. I'm sure he smelled great. Oh, dude, he was, but I think what he was looking for, he's like, if I get enough, maybe this positive smell, maybe my father will love me. So you said that like a computer programmer is like the least honorable profession where you grew up in Louisiana.

Starting point is 00:05:28 At the time it was. What do you think at that time was like the most respectable line of work? Probably tire care. Yeah. Fixing them, patching them up. Yeah. Yeah. You could roll in there and roll out in about 12, 13 minutes, you know?

Starting point is 00:05:45 Yeah. Is this before a discount tire kind of like took the mom and pop tire spots out of business? Yeah. Back in the good old days. Yeah. Back when you rolled in there and a guy could, a guy would, he wouldn't even have to, he'd smell around the tire and know what it was. I love tire shops. Oh, dude, they were so good.

Starting point is 00:06:01 One of the guys tried to make love to my mother for a while. And I think that also made me think, oh, these guys are heroes. Yeah. Why? Because it was somebody that cared about my mom, I guess, you know? It was like, oh man, these guys, they could change the tire on your life, you know? Yeah. They're heroic for sure.

Starting point is 00:06:17 By being like, you know, someone that loves you. But anyway, man, Andrew Callant, thanks for being here, bro. Thanks, man. So some of my audience might not know you, right? You're certainly like, you are a wizard in your own, in a very huge world of journalism, but in your own world, like, take me through a little bit of where you started out. So Andrew's kind of like this, I don't know, I'm labeled like this, Hunter S. Thompson, kind of like this, you know, this like, you're a journalist.

Starting point is 00:06:48 That's a safe statement. Yeah. You told me one time when I met you, you said, I follow the vibe or the heat. I follow where the energy is at. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And so you're like a seeker kind of. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:01 Where do you kind of start at? I first saw you on French Quarter Confessions because I'm from Louisiana. That was my first video project. I was a doorman on Bourbon Street in the quarter and I would get off work and like interview drunk people for late night confessionals, like when they were out partying on Bourbon and Royal and any surrounding streets, sometimes on Frenchman, sometimes you got a little crazy. But I mean, I started, I read from our high school newspaper and then like, I had this class high school teacher.

Starting point is 00:07:27 I didn't really like school too much, but I had a journalism class and this teacher, Calvin, would let me like leave school for the whole day and I would come back at the end of the day, like before the bell rang at like 325. And he said, if you had a story of a cool person that you talked to or someone interesting out there, I'd give you school credit. So I was able to just roam Seattle like free roam throughout the day and I would come back with like stories about juggalos that I would meet downtown. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:53 You know, like how to buy some shit off the Silk Road. I would go to the Occupy Movement, Tent City and interview people there and just come back and just like write a little article or write up and I got school credit. And then he helped me. That kind of experience like propelled me to go to college in Louisiana on a full scholarship to Loyola. Oh, wow. So they gave you, that's where you went down at Loyola.

Starting point is 00:08:13 Yeah. A wolf pack. You know about the wolf pack? Dude, I went to Loyola for one semester. No, you didn't. Yeah, dude. You live in Beaver Hall in the dorms? No, I try to do cocaine with a girl one time and I couldn't get an erection and I've always

Starting point is 00:08:25 felt horrible about that. That one experience is the reason you dropped out of college? It made me, I think, leave Loyola. She was like, I was like, because it was a small campus, I didn't want to see her. Oh, that's a small campus. You know, you see every student every day at Loyola. Yes. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:43 There's no place to hide over there. Yeah, and if you go to the boot or the Palms or like Snake and Jakes or one of those like college bars, you really see the same people every day. Yeah, and somebody usually, I feel like there's a sex crime there every night, like it almost should be like sex crime Sunday, you know, it should be like a thing. For sure. Like a game of Clue, they kind of like give you like a little check off sheet. Yeah, those particular bars like on the corner of like Broadway and Zimple or fucking Nightmare.

Starting point is 00:09:07 Yeah, people are pee and then drinking at the same time. Peeing and fighting and making out and grinding, which I didn't really know continued into adulthood. I thought grinding was like a middle school sort of like, you know, like it's like, but at the boot, like right now there's someone at the boot grinding with a stranger with their eyes closed, just fucking like the song Candy Shop is playing and they're just like straight up vibing it out, making out. Why is that? Why is there something about, and that's, I think, that is that dirty Louisiana thing

Starting point is 00:09:38 like, let's just get together and let our fucking oysters touch, you know, there's something about that. I mean, I didn't know because I did some grinding my freshman year at Loyola, you know, because everyone else is grinding and I didn't know at that time, but that would be the last time I'd ever grind. Yeah. You know what I mean? I wouldn't have believed you if you told me at that time, but then I was in the boot

Starting point is 00:09:55 and I was like, this is fucking weird and it never happened again. I wonder if there'd be like a good grinding championship that would see something that would be something I could see going to interview. I think Jamaica would win. Have you seen the dagger dancing? Uh-uh. They're like jumping up and down like dramatic air humping. You have to look it up.

Starting point is 00:10:13 I'll send you some videos. It sounds like some of the Maasai warrior stuff. Is it like that? Like when those guys, like they do a lot of that. It's just like that. Oh, wow. That's interesting. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:10:23 Okay. So you came through French Quarter Confessions. That's where a lot of people, I think, that's where I first heard about you from me and from Louisiana. Yeah. And did you miss that? Do you miss that Louisiana energy kind of? So much, man.

Starting point is 00:10:34 I think about it all the time. Like when I dream, it's like they all take place in the streets of New Orleans, like it's like my mental map. You know what I'm talking about? This is a special place. Once you connect to it, it like never leaves you. Yeah. You know?

Starting point is 00:10:47 But it's also hard to find work out there. Like it's hard to build a career in media out there. Yeah. I think it's really, really hard. Yeah. Like there's like the news channels. Yeah. And then there's like crime.

Starting point is 00:10:57 Yeah. Or you play for the saints. I feel like there's not a lot of avenues to build a name for yourself. For sure. I mean, the one time I tried to get involved in like local TV stations in Louisiana, I had to sign an NDA. And they're like, we're not going to tell you what your assignment is. But just sign this and we're going to get you on TV.

Starting point is 00:11:15 And I'm like, all right, cool. So I sign it and they send me in like a Sprinter van to Covington, Louisiana. Yeah. And they're like, you see this woman? Her house just burnt down. She doesn't know this yet, but her two dogs are dead inside the house. You got to go walk in that house with her and write about it. This is the worst job ever.

Starting point is 00:11:34 It was like a gender reveal. I'm not like that. Yeah. It was the saddest thing I've ever seen. Yeah. And so I was like, I don't want to do this. But after a quarter of confessions, like I would hitchhike around the U.S. a lot, like by myself.

Starting point is 00:11:47 Oh, you did? So you got so after that, you then you made it into hitchhiking. Yeah. Pretty much like right around there too. So I would hitchhike from like Seattle to New Orleans and back and just interview like outlaws, runaways, dead beats, like crazy motel creatures and like Nevada, you know, real reptilians. Oh, yeah, man.

Starting point is 00:12:03 Look, I've done a lot of picking up hitchhikers over my day. Oh, cool. And people that, I mean, I remember the worst one I ever had was a guy, not the worst, really the best also, this guy, what did he say? Oh, he goes, you want a cold beer? And I'm like, there's no fucking way to get a cold beer on him, put a cold beer out of his jacket, man. I don't know if he'd been cooling in with his heart or just whatever he had, you know?

Starting point is 00:12:24 And he pulled a cold beer out of his jacket and I was like, oh, this dude is a real, some type of like a future baby or some type of wizard or something. And then he told me a story one time, he got picked up by a guy one time and it was in a hot, the guy ended up being in a high speed chase from the police, right? So next, you know, this hitchhiker's in a high speed chase, right? Yeah. And so he's like, he asked the guy, I was like, why'd you pick me up? And he goes, because I don't want to die alone.

Starting point is 00:12:51 Yeah, get it out, man. We'll sell it. Actually. Okay. So you get into the hitchhiking, take me on some of your hitchhiking journey right there. I mean, just, yeah, just everything was so ridiculous. Like every ride was like crazier than the last, you know what I mean? Like there's always that one story that I tell about like tiny like Honduran dude picking

Starting point is 00:13:19 me up in Crowley, Louisiana and like taking me to like a refurbished barn house that had like 12 confessional booths. And I didn't know that it was like a porn viewing. Have you been to a place like this? Was it like a people kind of a gay meetup or straight? I think it's the place where truckers pull over to like have a private pornography viewing experience. They have like a bottle of lotion and like they have three channels.

Starting point is 00:13:42 They have like the gay channel, regular channel than like the fetish channel or whatever. So I'm thinking, I picked this dude up, he has like a fucked up car and he takes me to the place to view it, try to see, you know, see what was up. And I was like, no. And then he was like, oh, why were you at that truck stop? And I guess where he picked me up was like a known kind of a notorious bay for notorious gay prostitute truck stop. So he thought that I was a, I wonder why he didn't say anything for an hour in the car,

Starting point is 00:14:10 but he didn't want to get like get a solicitation charge. So he didn't say much cause he kind of figured out, he wanted, he was asking me weird questions. Like, do you like porn? Do you like movies? And I was like, all right, what's up with this guy? Right. Yeah. Do you like, if you ever, yeah, what kind of condiments do you like?

Starting point is 00:14:24 Yeah. Just like strange shit like that. Super, super weird. Yeah. But I wrote a book about the hitchhiking, like a zine thing. You did? Yeah. And like people liked it.

Starting point is 00:14:34 I probably sold a couple hundred copies. Like that was good. But then I realized like nobody really reads, dude. Yeah. Reading is a tough thing for people. Do you even find for yourself that it's hard to read these days? I'd prefer to listen to a podcast or an audio book, you know, but it is like a calming like a thing to do.

Starting point is 00:14:49 Reading. Yeah. I think it makes my mind, it does something good for my brain. Yeah. I feel like in my mind, it makes them kind of settle down. It puts them like on a pace that feels like they can keep up with. Yeah. Whereas like this, the way we kind of have media nowadays, sometimes it feels like a

Starting point is 00:15:02 pace that's not fair to the, the operating system that I have, you know, that God put in me or whatever. Any hotties ever pick you up, any chicks ever pick you up, was there ever any sex on the route? No. Wow. Definitely not. It was mostly like a super old timey, like sticking, sticking spindle kind of like formerly

Starting point is 00:15:23 vagabond hobo dudes, you know, because I think that like they, they grew up before Texas Chainsaw Massacre came out, which to me is the quintessential turning point of hitchhikers being viewed as like potentially homicidal maniacs. But before that, I'm assuming it was a cool fucking hippie thing to do, you know, but after that, it was like hitchhiker is a, is a murderer. Yeah. And so I think now like people would flip me off, you know, like good, and we're talking like Christian family folk would be driving in a minivan, look at me and the whole family

Starting point is 00:15:51 would flip me off. Oh, yeah. Just strange. Look at that. Yeah. Yeah. They used to call. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:15:59 I remember. Yeah. People would sometimes drive by, call me a road inward. They would call me up like, what? What are you even talking about? Wow. Like what? So you, you did some hitchhiking too?

Starting point is 00:16:07 Yeah, man, I used to get out there, bro. I used to love it. I used to love, you know what I think I loved? I think I did it because there was a part of me that wanted to have something different, you know? Yeah. But then there was that moment of fear where it's like, I don't know what the heck's gonna happen to me.

Starting point is 00:16:24 Yeah. I think I always liked that, you know, gamble. Like one dude that picked us up in Arizona drove me from Phoenix to Vegas. He was like basically an arms dealer, you know, and he had just spent the better part of 10 years like in Arizona State Penitentiary and his whole backseat had like home depot buckets just full of like magazines, switches, silencers, beams, all this crazy ass shit. And was it hard to navigate that? Is it hard to stay in the pocket in there and not just like jump out or?

Starting point is 00:16:56 Well, because you know, one thing you learn from being a hitchhiker is people lie a lot. They try to impress you. They try to relate to you and they want to seem super cool and like weathered. But they would tell you like, man, I used to be selling guns all up and down the West Coast. You're like, okay, you know, we hear you. Right. And then he was like, no, for real.

Starting point is 00:17:12 Check out the back. And I look at these buckets full of like gun parts and I'm like, why the fuck did this guy pick me up? Yeah. He was already running hot, riding hot as hell. Right. But I guess he probably enjoyed the role of the dice too. Oh, right.

Starting point is 00:17:24 There's two people are rolling the dice and it's also like saying, hey, God, I'm gonna put the dice or fates or whatever. I'm gonna put the dice in your hands. Exactly. And I'm gonna let, I'm gonna take, I'm gonna like, yeah, I'm gonna take my hands off the wheel. Yeah. Dude, a lot of times I would let people just, or I would get picked up or have people take

Starting point is 00:17:42 me just even around our own town, you know, and it was definitely, yeah, there's that element of uncertainty. What's going to happen here, you know, and also it takes some of the responsibility of your own life off of you. You're like, I'm going to put my life in this guy's hands, this Mazda, you know, this dude in a Mazda. Yeah. With underglow.

Starting point is 00:18:02 Yeah. Yeah. Damn, bro. Yeah. And hitchhiking used to be so popular in the 70s and stuff like that, like 1978 or whatever, Texas Chainsaw Massacre drops. That's when it happened, huh? And then every year there was a hitchhiker horror movie of some hippy looking dude who

Starting point is 00:18:18 likes, you know, slashes the driver's throat. Oh. It's horrible. But also in the South, I mean, hitchhiking is a lot harder than it is on the West Coast. You think so? I did the 101 one time, like from Astoria, Oregon down to like the Bay, I got picked up within 30 seconds every time by people in like Volkswagen vans and RVs, like, you know, West Coast kind of like hippy adjacent folk.

Starting point is 00:18:39 In the South, I feel like it's more of a charity thing. Like when I, I remember I picked up in Paducah, Kentucky one time, which is like the most religious small town I've ever been to. And everyone who picked me up was like, you remind me of my son. I'm like, what do you mean? They're like, he's strung out on dope somewhere. And I'm like, okay, I'm not, but like, thank you. So I think it's just a different barometer for like.

Starting point is 00:18:59 You remind me of my hot daughter in that area. You probably compete with some of the local models, I think. I think so too. I could model in Paducah. Oh, right. If all else fails, I can just go model in the Appalachia. Yeah, that'd be so good. Gotta get stronger hands, you know, once I get like farmer fingers.

Starting point is 00:19:16 Bro, how pissed would they get if like a trans model showed up and just started winning all the pageants? Oh, dude, culture war. 2.0. That'd be so good. The culture war has been, is back on, even watching the news. Yeah, I think I see a lot of it. So when you say culture war, what does it mean?

Starting point is 00:19:31 Means when mainstream media propagates like irrelevant, small culture war shit, you know, like things that aren't really a big issue, like, you know, like trans women playing in sports and they obsess over it to distract you from real things that are going on. Do you think that they do that? Yeah, they totally do it, like, like left, like liberal and like conservative mainstream media, they pick strategically like before midterms to get people all riled up by like zooming in on like specific, they know what they're doing. Yeah, like people with lists, like, they're, you know, or like, you know, like trans people

Starting point is 00:20:04 in sports. Yeah, it doesn't just make you angry, like you didn't hear about it for like eight months and then they're like, oh, shit, we got an election coming up. Let's stoke more anxiety and exploit people's fears about this. Yeah, try to get votes and it works on instantly. On both sides. Yeah. Yeah, it works instantly on both sides.

Starting point is 00:20:22 It's amazing sometimes because people look at the conservative side, I feel like this is just a general thought of mine. People look at the conservative side as being a less educated side, but both sides will fall for the same exact tricks. Yeah. It's almost crazy. You can almost, I don't know, it's just really fascinating to me that it's like, but you, this is the same game being done on both, on both teams.

Starting point is 00:20:49 Oh yeah, totally. Like liberal media will go to like the furthest sticks and boonies they can, they can possibly go to to find like their like racist guy to interview and just to get people all freaked out. And I'm sure you know what that's like. They often scapegoat the south. The south is always. Yeah, it's happened a lot.

Starting point is 00:21:05 It's happened a lot over the years, especially during like, during Trump, during like that administration, during that kind of stuff. Those white guys in Charlestown or whatever, like. Charlottesville. Yeah. I thought it was surely like, there's probably a couple of dudes in there who was hoping things we'd go to another level of like, let's whiten, you know, whiten around. But I think there was a, probably as many people who were just confused and responded

Starting point is 00:21:28 to a Craigslist ad, you know. Yeah. For sure. And just falling, falling victim to their own echo chamber, you know, like they're in these tight, weird online niche communities and the algorithm starts recommending shit to them that they already know they're going to be receptive to, to get more ad revenue. And before you know it, they're just like down the rabbit hole and these social media companies are making fucking millions while these people are just spiraling out of control.

Starting point is 00:21:49 Yeah. The next thing, you know, they're yelling shit about Jews in public. I mean, that's crazy, dude. You know, I don't yell anything in public. Yeah. Michael Myers is pretty, I don't honestly brought a dude not that scary anymore. I saw the last Halloween of his horror, the one few years ago was horrible. I can't imagine how bad this one is.

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Starting point is 00:24:40 But I seek out people like that. That's sort of the basis of early All Gas No Breaks interviews is like, I don't want to talk to an online loud person, I want to talk to a real life screamer. So yeah, get me to All Gas No Breaks and then let's get to channel five and then just for our listeners. So, you're doing the hitchhiking, you left out of Louisiana and you end up... In Seattle. Yeah, and then from Seattle down to LA on the west coast and back to Colorado.

Starting point is 00:25:10 The summer's following that, I hitchhiked a bunch, but the book that I wrote, it's not for sale anymore, but it was about my first hitchhiking experience. That kind of had a small cult following, which led me to want to make a show. The book was called All Gas No Breaks, A Hitchhiker's Diary, and I was like, man, nobody really reads. I want to make an interview-based road show. So I convinced a company to buy me an RV, whatever, made All Gas No Breaks, fell out with the company over a contractual dispute, signed a movie deal with Tim and Eric.

Starting point is 00:25:37 That movie is coming out in December. Awesome. It's with HBO and 824. Congratulations, man. I'm stoked, dude. It's crazy. Wow. And so the movie will be about, I know you have a tour coming up too, right?

Starting point is 00:25:48 Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, that's crazy, man. I start my first ever tour in like 12 days. It's like 45 dates, like back to back. We're going to screen scenes from the movie. We're going to find like battle rappers and magicians via Craigslist to open up each performance. You can have some people from episodes I know that you've already taped that will be at

Starting point is 00:26:05 some of the venues. Yeah, definitely. And it's just crazy. I haven't just been like trying to be calm before the tour starts. I just been playing tennis and hanging out with my mom every day. Oh, wow. Yeah, at Venice Beach, tennis courts. Do you and your mother look alike or no?

Starting point is 00:26:20 Yeah, for sure. Y'all do? Yeah. That's cool. I think so. Yeah. Is your father still alive or no? Yeah, he's alive.

Starting point is 00:26:28 He's a bartender in Seattle. Oh, he is? Yeah. Are you proud of you? Yeah, I think so. I hope so. Yeah. They should be, I think.

Starting point is 00:26:36 Yeah. You know what I mean? Do you feel like your desire to create or to get out there and interview people, do you feel like any of that came from your own childhood or do you think it was just a choice you kind of made as you, like, is it more about journalism or is it more about seeking something to fulfill something inside of you? Well, I think my mom is like a super sweet, like caring person, very empathetic, big listener. She was the kind of person that like, you know, if someone would approach us on the

Starting point is 00:26:57 street, you know, like I need some help, she would always help them. But a step further, like talk to them and converse with them and she's like, I think when I was super young, she would humanize people just day-to-day for me. So I didn't grow up with this wall or like glass wall between me and like people who I didn't understand. Right. So I just kind of went through life. And then like when I started smoking weed when I was like 13 in Seattle, like walking

Starting point is 00:27:18 around downtown high, I just became like this, like a toddler level curious, like wanderer. And I would just walk around and be like, what's up? Where are you from? What's, and I would ask people, what's the craziest thing you've ever seen? I was young. I'm like, what's the craziest thing you've ever seen? I'll just sit there for like an hour and be like, damn, dude, all right, peace. So I was like listening to basically five hours of free podcast today.

Starting point is 00:27:38 And so by the time I got old, I was like, man, you can make a career out of this. Like that's sick. Wow. That's incredible. Man. Yeah. Seattle's got Seattle at night. It's really, it's got to like a damp vampires on the ground, bro.

Starting point is 00:27:50 There's a lot of like, there's a lot of damn condensation, fucking drug muppets bouncing around over there. Certainly so. That's why. It's a beautiful American city. Yeah. We used to do that comedy club underground, underground comedy over there. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:07 It was, it was honestly one of the best rooms to do comedy in. I don't know if it's still there. So now, so, so, so that's where you're at now. So now you got like, I mean, you do so much interesting stuff. Now you follow, is that still kind of your goal to follow the heat, to follow what's going on? How hard is it to still do that when you've gotten busier? I'm not, I mean, right now, there's not much happening in the news cycle.

Starting point is 00:28:31 So it's like, I'm more doing like character studies and like random cultural interest stuff. But like once the midterms kick back into full swing, like I got to follow the news beat. Like there's nothing better than like being on the ball of news as it's happening. Like it's just, it's like the best feeling. It's like, it's kind of like a dick thing. Like watching history unfold and documenting it and being like on scene. I get how reporters can get addicted to like following that high all the time, but you

Starting point is 00:28:53 got to like stay away from that to a certain degree, because then you become just like a chaos tourist and you spend every waking day being like, where are people pissed off? And you get so used to it. It's kind of jades your mind and you're like, man, like society is in decline because you spend every other day at like a right or left wing protest. So it's important to kind of zoom out and cover like positive subjects. Like I went to a powerlifting event in Sacramento a month ago called World's Strongest Man. That was just fun.

Starting point is 00:29:19 No one's talking about like, you know, the Clinton deep state cabal or like the collapse of civilization. So I'm like, man, this is just nice. So you got to pepper your life with shit like that to stay levelheaded. I think. Interesting. Yeah. I saw you talking to a bunch of like those jizz wizard dudes, those like those fucking,

Starting point is 00:29:37 you know what I'm saying? Yeah, they gargoyles, dude, then dudes go deep, bro. Yeah. Will Blunderfield. This is that. Oh, okay. Will. Will.

Starting point is 00:29:47 He's kind of the commander in chief of the jizz wizards. And that's a new movement really of men. Do you see that just as a wild, like an out there group, or do you see that as a, as, as an example of men trying to find different ways to regain masculinity? I think for, I think that will, will specific demographic is dudes who would be traditionally called gay by society. Okay. Trying to become bisexual to a certain extent.

Starting point is 00:30:11 You know what I mean? Cause he's talking about how, you know, when he does the same sex erotic bonding in the forest with his bros, it kind of makes him have a procreative urge. You know, so I think to a certain degree, I think the manosphere has definitely taken over, like a lot of the surface net, even what is the manosphere? Just like Andrew Tate type people, you know, just like men's, like alpha men's wellness, self-help dudes, you know, but I think that wills a bit different because it's more on like the spiritual side and it's more connected to like eating well and all that type of shit,

Starting point is 00:30:47 adding like glyphosate and natrazine out of your diet to like have your chakras aligned and like reach the new dimension and like breath work. And I feel like he, I feel like he's more on that tip. But then again, I feel like 2020 and COVID created this insane fusion with like the wellness community and like pretty hard right people because of the anti-vax thing. Oh, interesting. So like half of the, you know, like yogis and like holistic community wellness people became like fully Q and on pilled in 2020.

Starting point is 00:31:19 Wow. Like I remember I'm not going to say her name, but this lady who invented butthole sunning or perineum sunning. Yeah. I've heard a lot about that. Yeah. So she, it was super like kind of cool, hippy, like free thinker, believes in the sun god, thinks the sun god speaks to your soul through your anus, rays come in, get into your body.

Starting point is 00:31:38 That's got divine energy. I hadn't talked to her in like six months. I checked back on her Instagram and it's a, this is real shit. It's George Floyd and then like a lizard person cropped over each other and she was like, don't believe everything you see on TV. And like it's just crazy to see like that happening to someone like that. And now it's all just like the storm is coming like crazy ass, like friend, shit, like JFK Jr is still alive.

Starting point is 00:32:07 Oh wow. Like, no, he's not. But his, him being alive is central to the QAnon. Oh, I see. I see that. You're just saying that it gets in that little, that drain. They were waiting at the grassy knoll in Dallas like four months ago for his return. No way.

Starting point is 00:32:25 Yeah. And like, it's kind of like Bigfoot hunting style where like one guy says that he saw it when everyone looked away. And so I met a guy, it was like, I saw him and everyone's like, no, you didn't like, they almost were having some infighting. He's like, no, dude, I saw him. You were down there when that happened. No, but I talked to a bunch of the people who were there at the People's Convoy, which

Starting point is 00:32:41 is like a trucker protest right after. Okay. Yeah. Wow. I'm pretty deep in that little world. Yeah. Well, we've had Bobby Kennedy on here before. So he was big, he's a environmentalist, you know, so it's, it makes sense that he would

Starting point is 00:32:55 be, you know, he was always about like taking care of nature. So then it makes sense that he would take, want to take, that his interest would lead to taking care of the nature inside of your body, you know, like the waterways inside of your body and that sort of thing. So he's been a big like, I wouldn't call him, I don't know, I don't know if he was anti, he wasn't anti COVID, but I think he was an anti-vax, anti, or making sure that vaccinations are tested correctly, you know, because in my town, I grew up in a, in Covington, Louisiana, and they had, they used to, they were making the polio vaccine in our town, in like the

Starting point is 00:33:31 sixties or something, whenever they put it out, or maybe the, I think the sixties or seventies. And they, that's where they created the polio vaccine that, and they used to test it on monkeys. Well, the polio vaccine ended up giving cervical cancer to millions of women, but they'd already made it and they were just like, fuck it, we already bought it, right? We already. The deal sealed. Yeah, this is what we got.

Starting point is 00:33:57 It helped polio, but you, there was a high risk for cervical cancer. So I think some people, you know, it also depends on, I think, where some people's mindsets come out of. Do you, do you now, like, like, I knew you just went and interviewed Alex Jones, and I had to sit down with Alex Jones. What was that kind of like? Was that, do you think the guy was absolutely crazy? Do you think he was overwhelmed by the lawsuit at this point?

Starting point is 00:34:26 Or do you feel like he's on point with some stuff and he's just too loud for the world these days? Like, I don't know. It's such a tough one because I do see both angles of it. You know what I mean? And I had a lot of heat from a lot of my fans for even talking to him. I mean, the billion dollar verdict, it's, he probably has between two and three million dollars in infowars or free speech systems is filing for bankruptcy.

Starting point is 00:34:51 So he's not going to, the San Diego family's aren't going to see that money. But I guess it's a precedent in the future for it's like, if you, because he was really coming after the parents as well, you know, like he put one of the parents addresses up. It's egregious. I mean, it's egregious when somebody goes, and I can't imagine when you go through something like that. And there's this voice that gets loud. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:13 But I'm reading this book called Sandy Hook by Elizabeth, Elizabeth Williamson and like some of the dudes that Alex was like platforming on his shit. I hate saying platforming, but like the student Wolfgang Helbig and there's people who like we're writing like 4,000 emails a day to the Sandy Hook families, like type shit, like harassing them, stalking them, leaving messages saying they're going to kill them, accusing them of keeping their kids alive as sex slaves and the attic and shit. Horrible stuff. So it wasn't a lot of people.

Starting point is 00:35:41 It's not just about Alex. It's just some of the people. The ripple effect. Yeah. Cause there's a whole community of lost people who devote their whole life to harassing the victims families of the Colorado Aurora shooting, of Sandy Hook, of Uvaldi, like it's a whole community of, you know, crisis actor, followers, like false flag. Have you been able to meet any of those types of folks?

Starting point is 00:36:02 Even just to see like, cause I think one thing that's really interesting that you do and I really like seeing it, man, is that you kind of just, you go and just kind of listen to people. It's like, Hey, here's what's going on. And I think it's really powerful. Even as you say, like some of your followers or supporters, like, why would you even give this guy space? But people would say that too about having Bobby Kennedy on here.

Starting point is 00:36:23 It's like, why would you give this guy space? Like he's a human being. He's first of all, one of the smartest guys that I know. Like really interesting and amazing friend. So it's like, I wouldn't not trust him. Like why wouldn't I listen and hear what his, what his thoughts are and what's going on? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:36:41 I just think like the more liberal audience is like super into a deep platforming and they think that like giving someone a, giving a problematic person a platform is somehow supporting them. And I always refute that like this. If I, if it's a lesser known shitty person that I'm cherry picking to kind of dunk on, that's fucked up. You know, if I'm, if I bring some white nationalists from the, you know, cuts of Alabama on my show just to like grill him and make him look stupid, I am inadvertently growing his audience

Starting point is 00:37:11 by bringing him on. Okay. I watch my shit and even if they agree with me, his name is now out there. I've elevated his name to the top. And so people will know his name will go to his website. You kind of increased traffic for that person and you create future white nationalists and vice versa. But like Alex Jones, everybody knows who that is.

Starting point is 00:37:29 He's a household name. The proud boys, everybody knows who that is. So when I'm interviewing people like that, that most of my audience doesn't like, I am not increasing their fame or increasing their exposure because with or without me, everyone's going to know who those people are. Alex Jones is on the front page of the New York Times. The proud boys are being investigated by the FBI for January 6th. So me interviewing them, I'm not platforming or increasing their audience at all.

Starting point is 00:37:54 But you know, if I was to interview like more lesser known, you know, fringe people, I wouldn't do that, you know. Yeah. Like if you were to interview like whitey killer 1200 or you were to interview like slave buyer 55, exactly, then you would be, you know, or yeah, the mainstream media, like liberal media does that shit. They found like the dumbest person they can and they're like inside the Klu Klux Klan. And it's, you know, and it's like some like 300 pound like CSI Miami watchers sitting in

Starting point is 00:38:26 his chair. He's like, why people were just better at stuff there. And the journalist is like, what do you mean by that? How can you say something like that? He was like, you know, I'm not doing that shit, man. Yeah. It's interesting. And it's like people, why do people get so stuck in their own like, why can't people

Starting point is 00:38:49 just let somebody else have a different like, like a different politician? How did that get so crazy from your perception? I don't know. But I think that, uh, the political like the, how all the late night TV shows and how SNL just became like orange man bashing machines. Yeah. And you fucking turn on Colbert or Jimmy Kimmel or something. It's literally like every other night is like an anti-Trump monologue.

Starting point is 00:39:13 It was horrible. They ruined their shows, I think. They're still doing it. They're crazy though. It seems like bad, but why it's like, you can just say, hey, this is who I support or don't support. Yeah. I think the incentive is there.

Starting point is 00:39:26 It's the safest thing you can do, you know, in comedy in that realm is to just bash like, you know, a conservative president and I don't support Trump. You know, but it's like, I don't want to go on late night TV and watch a rich guy talk shit about another rich guy. I know. You know what I mean? I'm just like, this is just the same shit. And I think that's something to do with it.

Starting point is 00:39:47 Cause if you think about it, right, like those shows reach everybody, they're on cable. So you can be sitting in the middle of a red state and you go on cable and you go to Comedy Central ABC late night and that's what you're seeing is you're supposed to hero being shit on by, you know, the comedic elite of late night TV in Los Angeles or New York. Right. And that they're all on the same page. None of them have any different view or not even a lot of, uh, like variation in their own views.

Starting point is 00:40:17 Yes. But like, so the real OG is like John Stuart, like they've held it down. You know, that to me, that's like the best early daily show to me that was like during the Bush era, that was like this absolute sweet spot of like comedic late night political shit. Yeah. And Bush also was, they kind of made like, it was different with trunk people. I mean, they, Hollywood just decided they fuck their, either something, either we don't

Starting point is 00:40:42 have enough ownership over this guy or he's too much of a loose cannon, whatever it is. But that not a, excuse me, not a chance or, or, or we, everybody's going to hate this dude. And then everybody works with all. So they have no choice. Yeah. That's who pays their bills. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:59 It's also hard to satirize a guy who doesn't give a fuck about anything. Right. You know what I mean? It's like, you think he gives this shit? He just likes the attention from it. You know? Right. I think, yeah, that's really interesting too.

Starting point is 00:41:08 But I think that turned off a lot of people, even if people like weren't that political, it was just like, well, why are you so one sided? Yeah. What do you, what, what do you have in this? Yeah. And there's, you can, there's real venom in some of those monologues, dude. Oh yeah. They're like, Jesus Christ.

Starting point is 00:41:23 This is like mean spirited almost man. Like. Oh yeah. I thought that it was, I think it ruined Hollywood for a lot of people. It's like it made a lot of people think like, well, obviously this is a group that doesn't support me. Yeah. Do you think that your move to Nashville was like a little bit inspired by that stuff?

Starting point is 00:41:41 I think, well, I wanted to honestly say money. Yeah. And everybody went to Austin and I'd never wanted to be like everybody else and everybody did it. You know, Joe Rogan moved there and Tim Dillon went there and Tom Segura. And I think I always wanted to be a little bit different. Yeah. I was scared that if I, you know, I don't know, I want to go look at Austin now.

Starting point is 00:42:05 I'm going to go check it out for a month and see. And then Nashville, I don't know. I think there's, there's something really nice about it. It's just a lot of nice folks. You've been liking it. Yeah. I think it's nice. I think it, there's a lot of, there's just a lot of nice people there.

Starting point is 00:42:24 Like I have like the nicest neighbors I've ever had. Yeah. It gives me a little bit of a different idea of what's, of what the America's still like kind of, you know, that's nice. Does it feel southern to you? Yeah. It does. Sometimes I would never was like red net growing up.

Starting point is 00:42:42 Like our family didn't have any money. We were just poor white. Yeah. Yeah. So we were like, you know, like we didn't have a boat, like a boat or any, you know, we didn't have like a flag that we supported. We didn't have, you know, my father was from Nicaragua, he was 70 years old when I was born.

Starting point is 00:42:59 My mother was from Illinois and was making love to a poor old man. Like, you know, who's having sex with a seven year old with no money? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's a bad deal. I think it didn't matter who you are. Yeah. No, it's not good.

Starting point is 00:43:14 It's like, it just seems like a poor business choice, you know. Man, that's a shitty age to have no money. I know. Yeah. And it's just like, anyway. So yeah, I think, what are some things that I like about it? It's nice for touring too. We can take tour buses right out of there.

Starting point is 00:43:28 Yeah. And it's one of the last Southern cities that still feels kind of like, I don't know, it has like a new rebirth. Yeah. Like I've gone to a lot of these cities like Montgomery, Jackson, even there. Even Savannah during the daytime downtown kind of like Jackson. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:49 Charleston and Jackson. Yeah. Yeah. Birmingham, I hear is pretty good. I haven't been really spent time there in the city, but there's a lot of Southern cities, Columbus, Georgia, that are just like ghost towns, you know. Especially Mississippi. Oh, Mississippi is a really a ghost state.

Starting point is 00:44:04 Like the north part of it, like the Delta, shelled out terms. It's gotten really bad, man. Yeah. Mississippi is just crazy, man. A really bad branding happened, I think, with a lot of like, a lot of the South was based on, even a lot of the tourism was based on tradition. Like war battlefields and antebellum homes, things like that. That I think white people didn't realize maybe as much at that black, maybe black culture

Starting point is 00:44:34 didn't have like, or maybe it angered them. I don't know. I think a lot of that kind of came out during BLM when a lot of like statues were being torn down and like, you know, so I think the South also is in a little bit of a space where it's like, well, I don't think I was grasping on to the history there because it was racist. I just thought it was the history, like Robert E. Lee, that was the statue. Like, you know, we would all meet up there at Mardi Gras.

Starting point is 00:44:59 I don't think half of us knew what the fuck he did, you know. But I think so a lot of the tradition there feels like it's been stirred. And I think a lot of people down there don't really know what to do in some Southern places right now. Yeah. I think they're going to start landmarking like a like hip hop achievements and shit. Like when I was in, I was in Clarksdale and Yazoo City and the Delta and it's everything is like the, you know, the Delta Blues trail.

Starting point is 00:45:24 Like here's where Lightning Hopkins like grew up and I'm like, what about Lil Wayne? Yeah. Like at what point are we going to start like marking Lil Wayne's house and Holly Grove and shit? Cause like that stuff really changed the world in a similar way that blues did, you know, it's not even a bigger impact. But like, I'm amazed they haven't done that. I think about it all the time, like hip hop heritage trail.

Starting point is 00:45:42 It's going to happen eventually. We're going to be tripping, bro. We're going to be like 90 years old and they're like in the third war. They're going to be like, here stood with the Magnolia projects where soldiers slim and Master P and Seymour came out with their first no limit records album. We're going to be like, what the fuck, but it has to happen, right? Well, it's, it almost seems like it's behind schedule, especially since they've gone through so many of those projects and stuff over the years and tour like had to tear them down

Starting point is 00:46:05 or refurbish. You think somebody would have said, Hey, let's just take this building and make it make some money for the city. You know, especially, yeah, they should have preserved like one of the old Magnolia buildings. Oh, yeah. Big boy where juvenile grew up. Yeah. I mean, that's like the backdrop to like the birth of fucking Southern rap music.

Starting point is 00:46:22 Dude, I would go there in a heartbeat because it's so funny because I've gone to the ones where like Elvis was born and you'll see signs like muddy, gusty grew up here. Like people you don't even know anymore. Yeah. But if they had like big boy, like if they had a lot of different ones along that trail. It's one of those classic things of like, who's really going to campaign on that though? It's like in Seattle, you can't drink in strip clubs. That congressman is going to be like, I'm going to make this my issue.

Starting point is 00:46:48 You know what I mean? But I think these days, I think you make that small pinpoint issue, that catapult you from being some muppet with like, or, you know, just somebody to be in like all you need is that one. Yeah. And then you're in the game as long as you got to have some backup plans. Yeah, for sure. But dude, I can't believe that they have strip clubs where you can't drink it like this.

Starting point is 00:47:11 Like, but the strippers are all on pilt, they can fucking do pills. But I can't drink a god damn white club, I thought this was America. I feel you, my dad works next to a strip club, my dad works at a bar connected to a strip club. Yeah. And so it's always like bar strip club, back to bar, back to strip club. It's like just tear the wall down, you know what I mean? Oh, dude, we went to a strip club once in Virginia, we were touring a couple of months

Starting point is 00:47:38 ago and they're like, oh, Edgar Allen Poe used to own this. A strip club? Yeah. His like, his, I think it's Edgar Allen Poe, is he from Virginia? No, Edgar Allen Poe's from Baltimore. Okay. Well, at one point he lived, I guess in Virginia, and he like lived there for a while or something. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:59 Like, oh, we used to live here. It was like a historic building. Yeah. But then part of it was a strip club. It's pretty cool. Wow. I didn't even know Edgar Allen Poe got down like that. It went looking for a little bit of push.

Starting point is 00:48:08 Yeah. He had a twisted mind. Oh, he had to, dude. So it must have been a twist to the strip club. Dude, he was like one of the first BLM activists. Look at the fucking that, the Raven or whatever. Was that about race? It was about black birds.

Starting point is 00:48:19 Yeah. It was actually a pretty good anti-racist. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. When all the, when everybody's writing about Red Robins and you start rocking about the B about the, about the Raven. So was he like, were authors like rappers back then? Like you think if you went to the strip club that everyone was like, oh shit, it's Edgar

Starting point is 00:48:37 and he's like making it rain? Or what was the strip club like before that kind of music? Oh, I don't know. Violin. Violin. I just can't envision like, you know. Yeah. Just that slow.

Starting point is 00:48:50 With no future. Like what does the strip club look like? The artist's future. Right. Yeah. 100%. I don't know. It's a great question.

Starting point is 00:48:58 A hunting we will go maybe a hunt. Just like maybe somebody singing stuff like that. Like folksy accordion. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody in the Claremont lounge in Atlanta. Yeah. That's a good one.

Starting point is 00:49:07 It is a good one. It was Bourdain's favorite spot. Was it really? Yeah. Yeah, they used to have that old, an older lady in there and she'd get those beer cans for you. Yeah. And they're a good place to watch people do coke that shouldn't be doing it.

Starting point is 00:49:19 Yeah. For sure. What's weird for me in strip clubs is I only like them if they're like super novelty. You know? Yeah. I like it in like an atmosphere sense. Like a soprano is about a Bing style. Just like the lighting and like just degenerate people.

Starting point is 00:49:32 I like to watch the people at strip clubs. Yeah. More of a burlesque style or something. No. I mean, like I like to, I like to look at the dudes who are at or watching strippers more than the strippers. Oh, wow. Because it's so interesting.

Starting point is 00:49:44 Yeah. There's something about somebody being right there to like, it's almost like a sense of like, I don't know. I guess some people go probably for desperation. Yeah. They have just like this weird like slack jaw and like a permanently half full whiskey neat Jameson glass and they're just like absolutely mesmerized but like this wet stack of ones because their palm is sweating, you know, the ring in their back pocket.

Starting point is 00:50:06 Just like nothing in front of them, nothing behind them. Just in the moment. You know what I mean? Yeah. There's some feeling right there. Huh? Yeah. Cause they must know that the girls don't actually like them.

Starting point is 00:50:19 Yeah. So I guess a lot of is the myth of it. Maybe it's they want to feel like a rock star, like Nickelback style. Yeah. Like they're at the strip club buttons. But I mean, imagine going to a strip club by yourself ordering a Jameson and smoking a cigar. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:34 The idyllic like, it's like some Hemingway shit. It's like, yeah. Yeah. Like this is me. I do this. This isn't weird at all. This is cool. This is what rock stars do.

Starting point is 00:50:44 Yeah. You know? But then the women are all peeled up. It's not even this like exchange of emotion anymore. It's just two people sharing each other, hoping one of them has a, has a perk on them. You know? Yeah. Like it's almost like playing perk chess with their eyes.

Starting point is 00:50:57 Yeah. I've never even taken a prescription pill before. You know? Just playing just with that 220 milligram stare. How does that make you feel at the perk set? Like, I don't know. I took two Somas one time and actually drove off a road on accident and my buddy, I think RIP, tried to give me a BJ or something.

Starting point is 00:51:14 I don't even remember fully, but I wouldn't take them. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying. I just have friends you take them. I've had a friend take them. I looked them. I know.

Starting point is 00:51:25 It's crazy. I think it disconnects you from any senses that you have anything wrong. Yeah. There's nothing wrong, man. It's not a good thing. No, you're made out of marshmallows and fucking homemade pussy, dude. I think you have everything that's perfect, you know? I wanted to ask you, so what happened to the King and the Sting podcast?

Starting point is 00:51:44 It's no longer? Oh, the King and the Sting podcast. Yeah. The podcast is still going. I'm just not, I'm not doing it. You're brand new cool though. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:51:54 We just, honestly, man, I missed, I couldn't, I didn't have enough attention really to focus. Yeah. Like I like, I like my own podcast and we have a unique kind of audience, I think. Yeah. And I think I wanted to be able to, I feel a lot more in touch with this now. Yeah. Like it's important to me.

Starting point is 00:52:11 Yeah. And it was still important, but it was just a lot to try and juggle. Yeah. I liked the Gringo Poppy, actually. Yeah. Yeah. I think people get burning so much flak and I think that's one of the reasons I admire him in some ways is how you could withstand so much disdain from people, you know, or

Starting point is 00:52:32 fake disdain. Yeah. It's pretty psychotic. It's crazy, isn't it? Yeah. It goes back to the people you were talking about. Yeah. No, for sure.

Starting point is 00:52:40 It's kind of why I stopped like, I still have Instagram and stuff. I just don't go on it because like when you run that, when you're like a major public figure or whatever, a big media figure, like if someone comments on your shit, you're amazing. At its best, that's an ego boost, unhealthy ego boost. Yeah. And if someone says, you suck, then that's an anxiety spike. So it's like, there's no, once you've kind of passed that threshold of like validation from the public, it's nothing but bad for your mind because it's a little box in your

Starting point is 00:53:07 pocket. It's like, oh, you're the shit, man, you're the best journalist. I'm walking around by myself getting endorphins from that, which is not natural. It should be like, you know, touching trees, playing tennis with my mom, but instead it's like, and then if someone, man, if that box is like, fuck you, man, you're a libtard, you sell out or something, I'm like, oh man, I don't, I feel bad about myself. So there's no healthy like middle ground. I don't think for me, at least I'm too sensitive.

Starting point is 00:53:33 Man, I'm too sensitive to it too. And I still let it affect, you know, I let it affect me a lot of times, or I noticed like you're saying, to have somewhere with all that, I go there for certain things. Did you just kind of pick that up or did you always know it or did you kind of like, did you notice that happening? You're like, yeah, this isn't good. I stopped going on Instagram one month ago, because I was just like, damn dude, like every day I wake up, it's the first thing I check and say, what are people saying about me today?

Starting point is 00:54:01 Like, yeah, am I still okay? Oh yeah. Like, am I still okay? Do my fans still fuck with me? Like, did they like the video I just dropped? You know what I mean? Like, did something come out in the middle of the night and me picking my nose or something? You know, I can't go anywhere.

Starting point is 00:54:13 Or just like, you know, like how are my stats doing? Or even more specifically, like, it started actually when I dropped Alex Jones' interview and everyone was like, why would you platform, why would you platform, and then people, other people were like, you're a fucking G for giving this guy a voice and I was like, I can't deal with this. I just want to like, make cool stuff. I still check YouTube comments and stuff like that, but I'm not trying to like, be constantly engaged in my own feedback loop.

Starting point is 00:54:36 It's so unhealthy, dude. Yeah, it's scary. It puts you at the center of the universe. Even if you're, no matter what level you're at, you could be a small level, dude. But if every day you're engaging with people who love or hate you, and I don't have much hate, I have a lot of love, but that makes hate stick out so much more. You know, it's like, I can see like a thousand positive comments and then if I see one negative comment, like those words are like etched into my brain, like the whole next two days.

Starting point is 00:55:01 So true. I just can't turn it off. I'm like, damn, did I fuck up this interview? Like, am I falling off? Yeah. And like, I just had to stop, dude. It's amazing how that can overwhelm, how that can overwhelm whatever, all the proof that we would think we have built into our system of, because of our own like lives, you know?

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Starting point is 00:58:48 I think you do a great job of being in that space. Do you feel like you ever go to a place just to pick on a group? Never. Not anymore. I mean, when I first started, it was a lot of low hanging fruit, but I developed a respect for interview subjects pretty quickly. I mean, there's some groups that it's clear from how I'm talking to them that I'm trying to sort of poke holes in what they're saying, but no, I don't go try to pick on people.

Starting point is 00:59:16 If anything, I try to understand people because picking on people is really easy. Anything that society sees as weird, like furries or flatterthers, it's very easy to show up, point fingers, make fun of them, ask them weird questions, but when you ask the why or how did you end up like this, it's when it gets really interesting because you get to just follow that why infinitely until you get to the core of what drove them to the fringe. And that's the shit that fascinates me because it's always the same. What is it?

Starting point is 00:59:46 Just community, loneliness, isolation, being ostracized by the traditional group that they were around, online echo chambers, loneliness, personal failure, personal aspirations, common themes like old school shit. Yeah, those are tropes that have been around forever, huh? Yeah, that's what it comes back to. What does tropes mean? Does that make any sense? It does make sense.

Starting point is 01:00:08 All right. I'll take it. Oh, it also comes back to the Jews a lot. Really? Yeah. Because they started it? No. Like hella people don't like Jews.

Starting point is 01:00:16 Oh, yeah. Kanye was talking about that. Do you think that many people don't like Jew? I think it's, I mean, I think it's, because what did Kanye, they were getting on Kanye. I mean, he's been saying some horrible shit. Yeah. You know, that Kanye shit is sad. But do you think people should just be, but should he be shut down from saying stuff or

Starting point is 01:00:35 he can just say, I guess people are going to say whatever they want. If he says, I'm about to go death con three on the Jews and he's telling his audience that like, Hollywood and music is totally controlled by Jews. Like it is true that there is like highly influential Jewish people in Hollywood, but it's controlled by money people, capitalists of all shapes and sizes and they're not loyal to each other. Do you think that those money people aren't loyal to each other? I mean, in a sense of collaboration, but shit, they're all trying to race to the top.

Starting point is 01:01:06 That's how it's working. And the idea that there's some sort of cohesion there, it's not really true. I mean, there is a collaboration, but like what Kanye is talking about is being exploited by, you know, predatory recording, I mean, record companies and shit like that and labels. That's a real thing. I mean, there's a lot of media invading his life, you know, TMZ showing up to his house at three o'clock in the morning and asking him about his mental health, like every element of his private life being publicized by media outlets.

Starting point is 01:01:34 That's a real thing. Right. And so it's like, he's so close to talking about that, but then he is obviously someone in his ear being like, it's all about the Jews and he's like, and then my Jewish personal trainer. It's sad. A lot of people don't even know that they're being anti-Semitic and I also think the phrase anti-Semitic, it's so overused.

Starting point is 01:01:51 Yeah. It's tough because you can't even, sometimes it feels like you can't even say the word Jew or Jewish and you're something like this person is anti-Semitic. It's like, well, you could say black or white or Christian or, you know, Muslims or Slims. Some people call them. Yeah. But I'm just saying conspiracy thought, the idea that like every anomaly and everything that goes a little bit weird is not a result of human error.

Starting point is 01:02:15 It's a calculated deep state plot. Every sort of loophole, there's loopholes in everyone's reporting and everything has, everything goes wrong. People think the CIA is doing all this crazy shit. They tried to kill Castro in Cuba like 45 times. The CIA can't pull off anything correctly. Our government can't do anything right. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:02:33 It's not about people think they're capable of these massive like mind control conspiracies. I was like, why do the roads look like that? Yeah. I just don't get how people think that this all powerful deep state can manipulate and control the entire planet. Yeah. That's true. If you can't even get me from like St. George to El Paso, then how are you going to get

Starting point is 01:02:53 me from like the aliens to, you know, to the octagon? Right. People are bad at secrets too, man. Yeah. People are bad at secrets. That's a good point. I always think that a lot about secrets. Like, why, if somebody knew something on their deathbed, why are they going to hold

Starting point is 01:03:08 on to it? Especially anymore. I could see 50 years ago when there was this more like loyalism to America too. Like we are this thing, like people I felt like had bought into like we are this text, this thread, this woven blanket. But now it seems like we are the like, that's, that's disappearing. Yeah. Like if they told Trump about the aliens, he would tell in a half hour, he would fucking

Starting point is 01:03:34 tell us. Yeah. He'd be like, I will not be, you know, a puppet of the CIA. Yeah. There's a spacecraft below the White House. It's been there for 30 years. It's not what he sounds like, but that's how he would say it. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:03:48 It is. Yeah. Totally true. But, and that's why I don't think they could get all these pilots and people that have died over the years that I don't think they could get any of those people to keep a secret anymore. Do you think? No.

Starting point is 01:03:59 Somebody would make a TikTok in a half hour for their dad. Like my dad just told me this. Yeah. It would be the kids of these area 51 people. Yeah. We're like, so my dad just dropped the bomb on me. Like all that shit. Area 51 is so sick, dude.

Starting point is 01:04:11 Yeah. Have you been over there? I tried to go. Yeah. Area 51 in 2019. One of my first things. I think I remember that. And it was a let down, huh?

Starting point is 01:04:19 The only guy we got arrested was this like recently divorced father of three who was in the, like a, he was sleeping in the back of his Subaru next to our RV and he was like, they're fucking in there and I'm going and he tried to storm it by himself and he got like, you know, machine guns in his face. Wow. Yeah. Dang. Do you think, did you get the feeling when you were there that they're holding something?

Starting point is 01:04:39 No. I think they're just, you know, experimenting with drones. Why would it be area 51? Like there's merch along the whole highway saying those aliens there. Yeah. They would have moved them by now through a different black box site. Do you feel like we've had a lot of encounters and feel like we've had few? A lot, dude, totally.

Starting point is 01:05:01 Do you feel like that there are alien figures amongst us, that they have that kind of technology to put people amongst us that are actually beings from other planets or worlds? Yeah. I mean, like every looked into like the eyes of like a Nordic dude, like a six foot seven, like a Viking looking person. Cold blue eyes. Maybe six, four, maybe. That's evidence right there.

Starting point is 01:05:26 Yeah. I got to look deeper next time. I didn't, I guess I didn't look that deep. The joke there is pretty much all alien conspiracy theorists such as Bob Brown in Nevada think that people from Norway are aliens. Oh, really? Yeah, or that they possess some sort of reptilian or old school lumarian DNA, which gives them that sort of look.

Starting point is 01:05:50 That iridescent. And also the architectural capability, Ikea. Yeah. You want to follow the directions or whatever. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Damn.

Starting point is 01:06:04 Well, I think sometimes that aliens come here, I think we are like aliens advanced far past us, right? Like even if you see us now, we're becoming like meeker figures. We only use our brains. You see an alien. It's like just the brain looks active. The body just looks like this dormant sort of like non genital, no tits even anymore. Never.

Starting point is 01:06:23 Just like the body seems very like you don't notice it. It's just that kind of like diamond oval head with the big eyes. So there's a lot of brain activity thinking. Yeah. That's what I feel like. So aliens, they've moved off here a long time ago. I think they come by right now and then to see like the plant. Like it's almost like if your parents took you like some shitty water park, it's like

Starting point is 01:06:43 a poor, poor alien families, no offense. But if an alien family is real poor, then they'll like, or they didn't get tickets to like the cool planet to go see. Yeah. Then they stop there. The kids are like, what the fuck? We're over here. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:06:57 This place is weird as shit. Yeah. This place sucks. They didn't see the capital riot, like Will Smith punching Chris Rock. Yeah. People are fucking morons. Get out of here. Yes.

Starting point is 01:07:05 That's what I think happens all the time. There's kids here and his wife here to save their fucking family or to do, and he didn't plan ahead and the kids like to get the fuck out of here. They land at Talladega race weekend. They're like, what the fuck? No, but I would think the aliens would actually be on a smaller level, like on microbial small level so they can, you know, kind of look at us like they could be like cell sized, you know, condensed because they don't want to be identified.

Starting point is 01:07:29 Everyone assumes they're these like gargantuan Cthulhu looking district nine creatures. We're going to come down and like scare the shit out of us, but why there was like shrimp in the movies, you know, like giant lobsters. Yeah. I think they're really like flowing through the air like little dust particles be like, you know what I'm saying? Dude, that's more of a vibe to in a dust particle. When you watch them, how they move, they move like alien vessels a lot of times.

Starting point is 01:07:54 They move with purpose. Yeah. That purposeful dust, Tommy. For real. Damn. That's almost sort of we are as humans. Uh huh. We're fucking, we think we're purposeful dust.

Starting point is 01:08:05 That's a fact. Damn, bro. When you went, when you go into some places, do you ever have, do you have a lot of fear? Obviously, you know, I understand now from like you're growing up and stuff like that and some of your energy, like, like I remember from my dad, my dad would sell, like do like credit card signups at colleges and stuff when I was a kid and so we'd roll over there and like we'd get all the shit out and like, you know, he's 78 years old. We'd be signing people up and I would get up on the table and bark at college kids going

Starting point is 01:08:33 by to get them to come and sign up and they get like a free hat or something. That's right. That says like chase back, you know, something that's like frisbee. Now it would be cool. Back then it was horrible. For sure. But now it would be a fire hat and uh, so I could see where you being in your environments growing up and like having like, um, interaction with people where it makes you fit into your

Starting point is 01:08:54 world now real comfortably. Were there places you've gotten in that make you, have made you kind of fearful or scared? Honestly, not really because like with the camera rolling, people aren't really going to test you. I think that like the most nervous I've ever been was like, I was, uh, I was trying to do SEC games for a while. So like I was at the roll tide, I was at the Auburn roll tide game in Tuscaloosa. So home game for Alabama, Alabama lost the home game and so like people were fighting

Starting point is 01:09:22 in the streets. Like, you know, you know how it goes. Oh yeah. Like football in the South is a real serious thing. I'm watching 50, 60 year old dudes who, you know, we're in there for in frats four years ago, rumble out old beefs in front of the Waffle House in Tuscaloosa. I'm like, man, this is tough. And when people were fighting right in front of you, my first thought is I want to interview

Starting point is 01:09:41 them while they're fighting. Right. You know, so I was like, Hey, what's going on? How'd this start? And then they would feed our ears. I mean, we had a couple of situations in Tuscaloosa where people would try to take our cameras and like, who the fuck are you guys? And we're like, YouTube is like, get the fuck out of our party.

Starting point is 01:09:57 You know, also they're very comfortable with violence at Southern schools. Yeah. There's not really consequences for like big brawls at schools in the South and fraternity environments that there would be on a regular street anywhere else. Yeah. I think Southern culture, it's more like, especially in the South, you're looking at more like a fight outside of the bar. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:10:17 It's like Australians. Yeah. It's just like, yeah, they settle the score after. Yeah. It's like a bunch of big mean Australians kind of literally. Yeah. No one's called the cops really. They kind of let things happen.

Starting point is 01:10:27 Right. So like, you know, that's the only place, Frat's is probably the worst place for me to film. Dude, it's funny when I remember growing up. Yeah. Frat's is a weird energy because it's also like, but then if they like you and they know who you are, then it is a different, the energy can be different unless you test that one dude who doesn't know. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:10:46 That sometimes can be weird. This was like, we were pretty like lesser known. So it was a lot scarier. Yeah. They were like, message some frat in advance and being like, I'm coming back to Ole Miss. They'd be stoked. They'd be like, oh, we're going to show you the best party ever. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:11:02 What about, I saw you that you went into O-Block, you went into like Chicago and they have like a lot of like, is that one of the areas where they have a lot of crime, where they've had a lot of crime violence? Yeah. Wow. I wasn't scared there or anything because like, you know, they just took good care of us. Also nobody wants to be perceived that way in media. So they're going to go above and beyond to make sure that everyone knows that like when

Starting point is 01:11:21 I got to O-Block, everyone knew that I was coming and they were just like, hey, good to meet you. We checked your stuff out. Welcome. Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. There you go.

Starting point is 01:11:32 Right there, dude. That's fire. Yeah. I would say when they say the hood or whatever is probably the least scary place to film. Wow. You know, because your intention is clear. You know, you're a white guy with a camera crew. It's like everyone knows what that is.

Starting point is 01:11:46 Nothing is going to happen to you. That's a good point. That's interesting. There's more commonality. There's more potential for violence as a journalist. You know what I mean? It's the classic thing of like Louis Thoreau from England when he did his weird weekend series.

Starting point is 01:12:01 Him being British as an outsider, I think gave him a pass to kind of come in and be more confrontational. Whereas like I'm more likely to be in a violent situation with someone who is a similar looks like me and isn't a similar age range to me because they kind of feel like, oh, it's more like buddy, buddy, like broed out. I even see it with fans, like any frat age white fan will come up and just bear hug the shit out of me. You know, there's just less of a barrier where it's like anyone older or younger will

Starting point is 01:12:27 be a little bit more cautious or in a different socioeconomic place. That's interesting. Yeah. It's interesting how some fans interact or some supporters of you will interact. Yeah. Like the other day at the airport, a guy was just yelling at me like, Theo, Theo, but it was like we knew each other, but we didn't know each other. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:12:44 And he kept looking at me like I should have acted a certain way, but I didn't really know how to. Yeah. It's interesting how different people's perceptions of running across somebody that they've seen before. Yeah. I think for you too, because you podcast, like people, it's more parasocial because they feel like they've spent so much time with you because they get off work, they're driving

Starting point is 01:13:02 home or whatever. They're listening to you like you're pretty much there in the car with them. They're laughing along with you or they're laughing along with us like right now. Yeah. If somebody says, I listened to the podcast, I immediately go into a different place with them as well. As opposed to someone saying I saw your standup special or somebody just saying, Hey man, I saw you on Tik Tok or I saw you on this and that because Tik Tok, you know, people

Starting point is 01:13:24 have cut up. I think we're almost at like a billion interact views on Tik Tok, right? For the, for just my name hashtag. Oh, cool. So kind of cool, but also like I didn't create probably most of those 90% of that. Yeah. Other people made stuff and put it out there. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:13:44 So it's kind of weird. So it's like, you get put out there in a way you don't even want to be, maybe put out there. Yeah. Like it's still your stuff. They're cutting up. Yeah. But it's just kind of interesting.

Starting point is 01:13:53 It's like they can kind of shape whatever, you know, and then people can see you more maybe than you wanted to be seen. I don't know. Yeah. And you give people a lot of yourself, you know, it's interesting. You have to though. I feel like the comedian lane is a bit different. And I remember when I first came out to LA, like I went on your podcast and I went on

Starting point is 01:14:09 some other comedians podcast and I was like, damn, your guys job is hard. Shout out to you guys. Like I don't know how you come up with all this shit all the time. Really? You just have to have this like verbose gift of gab to just spice up because I'm sure like, for example, you probably have told a lot of the same stories. Oh, yeah. And but you have to come with that sort of original energy.

Starting point is 01:14:27 It was like when you asked me about like the hitchhiking story, like I would have told it like funnier if I hadn't already said it like 20 times, but I feel like you guys have to have this almost like a respawning ability that is just like super human. Yeah. I think doing it with people helps more. Yeah. You know, that's why even like right when you walked in, I really felt like I lit up on the inside because I was like, oh man, I get to talk with someone today.

Starting point is 01:14:51 Right. And so that's, it is more, it's nicer sometimes than just talking by myself. You know, I find a lot of people like will send in calls to podcasts. Like there's a lot of guys out there struggling these days. Yeah. A lot of people are. You know, trying to figure out what, you know, it's a weird time to be human. Do you think that?

Starting point is 01:15:09 Yeah, definitely. What do you mean by that though? I feel like as we're switching more into like putting more of our feelings and everything in our intentions and everything, we're so reliant on media and just human interaction has kind of taken a backseat, but it's also hasn't. So it's this weird, like this weird thing because we're almost more interactive than ever, but it's not very real. It is, but it's like we're almost transitioning.

Starting point is 01:15:42 Yeah. It's, it kind of sucks. That's why I've tapped out from it. I'm trying to reverse engineer my own life. Like I have like, cause I had to use Instagram and these platforms. I'm sure you did too, to get to where I am now. But I've crossed this threshold where it's like, I don't need it anymore. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:15:58 You probably barely do either too. I mean, people are going to watch your podcast and they're going to watch your specials regardless of if you have to post stories or whatever. I mean, I'm sure it helps, but it's like, once you're past that point, I'm not going to hate on social media or anything like that's, it got me to where I'm at, you know? But like, I'm going to tap out from it because my human interactions have been low, especially the past two years. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:22 Like dude, it's like my real friends like, I don't know, I need more real friends. Not just like cool online friends, but like real homies. Yeah. No, I feel you man. And it gets addictive though too. That's another thing about it. Like I almost wondered, why did they let us have phones because they're so addictive? It's like, is it safe?

Starting point is 01:16:40 It's almost like a cigarette. It's like, at a certain point where we realize this is, this has ruined us. Totally. And Instagram is low key, like kind of pornographic too. You know what I mean? Like a social, like a, like a adrenaline porn or something. No, like it literally is. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:57 I see them tits on there at some time. You know, like, like, like a lot of my friends, like I look at their feeds and it's just like attractive women, attractive men, just like constantly and I'm like, damn, that must be kind of weird for you. And that's all your influence is like you're like going on your phone and just like scrolling through like people you think are like super bomb all the time. Oh yeah. Kind of rots your brain a little bit.

Starting point is 01:17:15 Like, you know, you're going through your day and you're like, you bet they look amazing. They look amazing. Oh, that's the homie. I'm missing out. I'm missing out. This person looks good. I'm like, dude, that, that sucks. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:17:25 Because the second you go back to your regular world, when you take that away from your eyes and you look at your regular world, your regular world doesn't stand a chance. Right. Really? And it's designed like that. Right. You know, right. That's the part I think people don't realize, man, we don't realize that there are these

Starting point is 01:17:37 shapeshifting goons, Jews, you know, we're talking about in the distance who are, you know, but, but that's, we don't realize that a lot of that has been, you know, it's, it's been, I mean, they have got us down to an algorithm. Jordan Peterson talks about that, it's like, we can't, the algorithm is so strong. If you want to still own yourself, you have to almost come to, you have to come to your own rescue, man. Yeah, you do. And it's an algorithm for everything.

Starting point is 01:18:07 And people only realize when they're in it, like even Jordan Peterson talking about that. He's also got an algorithm. Oh yeah. You know what I mean? And once you, if you watch one Jordan Peterson video, you're gonna, they're gonna, you're gonna see him every day. And the same goes for Jordan Peterson cookbook lobster, lobster, lobster, like for an experiment, you know, the mob boss, Michael Francisi.

Starting point is 01:18:23 Yes. You know, I saw one Vlad TV interview with Michael Francisi and I'm like, let me watch four of these. Dude, my phone was like a mafia phone for like a week. Every time I wonder, it's like, Sammy the Bull describes his first hit, you know what I mean? And it's just like best soprano scenes, you know, good fellas intro and I'm, dude, I'm watching this shit all day.

Starting point is 01:18:41 You know, I'm like, LaCosta Nostro over here on my phone for a fucking week. And you know, I start talking like these dudes and I start, no, I start talking to my homies about the mafia. I got Evan's like, dude, stop talking about the mob. I'm like, you know, I'm like, no, but it's crazy. The code of silence is crazy. It's like, blood in, blood out, you know, but not all Sicilians are bad. You know, Evan's like, stop saying this shit.

Starting point is 01:19:03 Let's talk about something else. And I'm like, I realized, you know, all moments of privacy, which should have been me time to think about my life. I was thinking about LaCosta Nostra and that's not right. No one should think about the mob for more than like an hour a week. Oh yeah. I think even that seemed like a lot, you know, especially if it's not a recipe coming really shortly after the thoughts, you know, you think the mob is still around.

Starting point is 01:19:25 If they are, first of all, I noticed, I noticed for a fact they do a lot of just trash hauling is what they do now. The mob has severely been reduced. You don't think they're walking into like Stumptown coffee in Brooklyn, breaking me caps and being like, give me five cents off this latte. I think they're like the comedy central, basically they're like comedy central, like they just fucking didn't get on social media and they fucking fell apart. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:19:48 They should have adapted. Oh. Yeah. They should have done a little bass like cartel style branding campaign. Yeah. Instead, they started like a Jordan Klepper show or something and it fucking tanked and they never got their feedback under them. Let's bring them back, dude.

Starting point is 01:20:02 Yeah. I mean, I don't know. But the mafia, I would love to see them back. Yeah. I would love a fucking Italian to just beat and hit me with a bat when I'm going for a job. Oh yeah. You're a motherfucker.

Starting point is 01:20:12 Because here's one thing I realized. If somebody walked up to me and punched me for no reason, right? But they said, you know what that's for, I would find some, I would find a reason in my head why. Yeah. And I was like, damn, okay. I think you could do that to anybody. What do you think would be the first thing that would come to mind?

Starting point is 01:20:36 Probably stealing something when I was younger, maybe. Yeah. You know, you know, bad sex, maybe. Yeah. Like you had me drive all the way over there for that bad sex or my, you know, you made my sister come over for that bad sex. Yeah. You were heavy into stealing when you were younger.

Starting point is 01:20:53 Yeah. I like to have stuff, man. And I'd tell people I'd have their stuff on and tell them I didn't have it, you know. Like retail? Yeah. And even undergarments, men's undergarments. Yeah. You've came a long way, man.

Starting point is 01:21:08 Yeah. Thanks, man. You know, I feel, yeah, at least now I can afford my own stuff. Hands would probably send you a pack. They're going to see this. Shout out to Haynes. I want to know about your movie before you go, man. I want to know a little bit more about it.

Starting point is 01:21:23 Yeah, man. Ask away. What can we look forward to? Obviously, there's some parts of it that are what? There's parts of the movie that I'm going to be screening at the upcoming tour. Okay. That's a fact. I'm going to screen like some sick at the HBO just finally agreed to let me show some

Starting point is 01:21:39 scenes. Okay. HBO has been awesome to work with. Really? Yeah, dude. Wow. Sick. Shout out to Nina at HBO.

Starting point is 01:21:47 She keeps it real. And, you know, it's HBO. And especially you came, you had some bad, you had bad experiences with that before, right? Hell yeah, dude. I remember you were in, right after I met you through with King and the Sting, that's when you got into the dispute with your own organization. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:22:03 Yeah. Yeah. That was a horrible thing. Yeah. But you know, I'm happy that it ended in like a cataclysmic fucking gnarly way because I had to go independent. Like I had to start Channel 5 because I had like the fire under my house being like, you know, you got fucked over, like respawn, kill it, like start your own thing and that thing

Starting point is 01:22:21 is going to be bigger. You know? I feel like if I didn't have that dramatic split from the All Gas No Breaks parent company, I'd probably would have just drifted into like comedic obscurity, honestly. What was a moment in there? What was some more of that? Tell me about that. So because other people, this happens to people a lot where people, you know, the deal isn't

Starting point is 01:22:39 right or they don't feel like if they leave something that they're still going to be able to survive. Yeah. It's like low regulation of like the Instagram and TikTok management world. It's not like film and acting and shit where you have guilds and unions. Like you can get pimped, you can get the blood pimped out of you by someone who manages influencers. There's no rules or regulations. It's like the Wild West.

Starting point is 01:23:00 I, there's been contracts much worse than mine, but I had what they call a 360 deal. They talk about it a lot in rap music. You know, it's a full management contract. So that means I can't acquire any money or get any, if I get a sponsorship deal, it runs through the parent company. Every stream of revenue that is to Andrew Callahan will have to be processed by the parent company and they'll give me 20% of that profit after expenses are recouped. So it's a shitty deal.

Starting point is 01:23:26 It was good at first because they gave me 45K a year, bought me an RV. I thought I was in heaven, but there was no show yet. As this show got bigger and bigger, you know, we're getting, I see that we're making like so much on Patreon every month and through merch and I'm like, I want more money than I'm getting right now. I'm getting paid. I'm getting paid literally the salary of a manager at Raising Canes and like shout out to them.

Starting point is 01:23:49 And I'm like, you know, they work hard. They're not even a sponsor out of the love of his hand. Sorry, go on. And then like, man. So, yeah, so that happened, it happens to people, but it ended up making, you didn't fold though. Yeah. I mean, so back to it.

Starting point is 01:24:07 I mean, the big lesson from that whole shit is like, read your contracts and know what real money looks like, you know, because before you start, you know, really succeeding in media, 45K a year seems like a great deal. Then in the world of adults, that's like a below standard salary. Right. But you just don't know that because you're young as fuck. But you were 21, 22. I was just interning for Seattle weekly and writing for my college newspaper for free.

Starting point is 01:24:29 So it's like, anyways, somewhere right, right before Augusto breaks kind of ticked, we signed a deal to make a movie with Tim and Eric's company, absolutely. And then Jonah Hill's company, Strong, maybe latched onto it and it became this whole like lot of chefs in the kitchen making this, the movie is about the 2020 election and the events that led up to the Capitol riot and the aftermath. So we're making this movie. I don't remember, I'm in the South Philly Walmart in this RV, we're out of propane, so there was no heat, it was 21 degrees and I'm getting these emails from the Augusto

Starting point is 01:25:04 breaks parent company that are like, we need you to produce two pieces of Patriot content or we're going to fire you guys. And this is while I'm making a movie and I'm like, I don't have time to do that. I'm freezing. It was horrible. And so I kind of refused, you know, I asked for more money. I said, okay, I'll work a second job now. Just give me more than 20% of the profit share.

Starting point is 01:25:24 They're like, nah, we're keeping you at 20%. They fired Nick and Evan just to make a statement after I asked them for more bread. And those are your associates. Yeah, still, they're partners and owners of Channel 5. And then like, yeah, dude, it just got so bad, they were just being like, I got this thing in the mail, my LA house, it was like, if you don't make a video for Augusto breaks by the end of the month, you're fired. In the mail, where did they send it from the past?

Starting point is 01:25:51 Did they travel back in time and write a fucking letter? What's going on? But looking back on it, I mean, like I said, I'm glad it fell apart. I don't have really negative feelings towards any of those guys. You know, I was, I was always supposed to be independent. Yeah. You know, you always have been probably really in your own way. Yeah, for sure.

Starting point is 01:26:08 You like being, it seems like you like having control over what you put out. Yeah. In a way, I almost feel bad for those guys because they made such a bad business decision. Right. Well, at first they made a great business because they saw the value in you. So that's almost, that's cool. But then they chose to not do it fairly. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:26:33 Cause I would have kept working for Augusto breaks. Like the show would have been going right now if they would have just been like Andrew, once more money, give it to them. But I remember the dude said to me, we have a bunch of connections in the comedy world. We'll be fine. We're going to replace you. And I was like, bro, I do the editing. It's my show.

Starting point is 01:26:50 It's like my concept. They actually created a bunch of copycat pages that are active right now with my exact style with other comedians hosting it. It's just a shameful endeavor. But you know, I don't know, sometimes you take L's and you just got to keep it pushing. But I think they should have just left my formula alone. Yeah. Dude.

Starting point is 01:27:10 I mean, if you put a bunch of L's together, bro, you got a bunch of L's, but you okay. You might be doing better. Yeah. But amen. Shout out to those guys. Like they put me on at first, you know, it's a good attitude to have man. I tried not to have any. I just tried to like not be negative about shit, you know, even though it's easy to be,

Starting point is 01:27:29 especially when you like got kind of burned like that. Yeah. But once you start being negative, people start being negative back. I know it's basic, but like even with my O Block video, you know, like I had, like, I showed two other like journalists in that, maybe not in like the best light, you know, because I was doing like a sort of expose about like what I saw is like the exploitation of like drill music by like media members around like an interview cycle based upon like fact checking someone's street credibility for clicks and views.

Starting point is 01:28:05 Talked about how that actually fuels real life violence because it kind of breaks down the inner workings of gang beef to like the general listening public and just makes people like not only fans of the music, but fans of like the gang lore behind the music, which you know what I'm saying? Oh, interesting. No, I know what you're saying. I'm just, I'm trying to imagine how a channel would do something like that or how. Basically like drill music is like completely full of like dissing people's dead family

Starting point is 01:28:33 members, dissing dead enemies. There's a whole gang lore behind every drill scene, whether it be Jacksonville, Philadelphia, Chicago with specific characters and legends and people like that. But the general YouTube public didn't know about what they were saying until like a second industry of you know, people who I call gang gossip YouTubers ran like a news circuit based upon like breaking shit down. You know, and like that sort of exposed the inner workings of like Chicago's gang conflict to like the just greater civilian public, stoked the flames of it, made it worse.

Starting point is 01:29:12 Is that helpful when they do that or no? I think that it's just clickbait. I think that at its best, like there's some people who do it really well, like this one guy, Trapp Laura Ross, he does like a really good job at like, you know, breaking down sort of the insanity and like the specifics of certain conflicts that should people should know about, you know, because there's people dying about like the hundreds here, like in Jacksonville. Right.

Starting point is 01:29:36 But I think that when it's a gossip based click cycle, like you'll never guess what gang this rapper's from, you know, that to me is wack. Right. But what I was saying is in the O Block video, I interviewed two dudes who are in that world and I just felt like, while I do have my problems with like how they use their platform to a certain degree, it felt bad coming at anyone. I don't want to do it again. You know, like just putting the, putting any negativity in the world and like, I felt

Starting point is 01:30:03 it kind of come back towards me when they had their responses and then people were, and I was just like, man, I don't want to start any beef with any other media members, like fuck all that. Like, you know. Yeah. Yeah, it's tough to navigate because sometimes people will steal, like will borrow your shit or do something like that to you and you're like, man, this is fucked up. It's like, do I want to, you know, like, it's like, do I call this out?

Starting point is 01:30:24 Like there's a clothing company that like totally copied a shirt that I made, right? Like a merch. And it was like, do I bring this up or is that just going to bring more attention to them? You know? Yeah. It's tough to navigate sometimes stuff like that. I know that's a different comparison.

Starting point is 01:30:38 Yeah. But it's like once you start calling people out for shit and then all of a sudden you're susceptible because people, now that you've stooped to that level of like internet beef, people start realizing it's an opportunity to capitalize on you and they start internet beefing with you because they know that you play that game now. Right. And I just don't want to do it. I stand behind my coverage of Oblac, but it's just like, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:30:58 Is it scary to see like, you know, you get environments like that where there's a lot of violence, you know, a lot of like growing up, like two of my closest black friends from growing up both got killed, right? And by other black guys growing up, there's just a lot of like, you know, there's a lot of black young men killed, you know, there's a lot of violence in that community. You see a lot of like the rap music and stuff and you know, I love, I love the music, but is it, I wonder sometimes I find like by listening to this music, am I just perpetuating part of this thing?

Starting point is 01:31:30 Well, the music is very much a part of the circumstances and like a reflection of the environment and the culture that creates it. The real villain in the story of the mainstream proliferation of drill music is the record labels who are fucking pushing this shit and like owning the masters to mainstream hits about like basically doing mass shootings, you know, so as a listener, man, it sounds dope. No, you're not perpetuating it. The music sounds tight.

Starting point is 01:31:55 They could be talking about whatever, right? But it's the, it's the record labels that, you know, make kids bop versions of songs and shit like that. You know, to me, I felt like when I do something again, if I ever step back into the realm of covering drill music, I feel like the record labels and the people who control and incentivize that are the missing sort of investigation, the missing piece to my investigative reporting, you know? Do you feel like you're, like you bow your reporting down to anything like you, there's

Starting point is 01:32:26 like, there's angles you're afraid to go to or things you won't talk about? Like it's hard to stay neutral. Yeah. I mean, I'll talk about whatever, but there's certain issues that I take more seriously than others. It's hard to stay out of the pocket of big business too, you know, as you grow. Yeah. Because they'll take your clips and they'll run them if it is with their agenda, you

Starting point is 01:32:48 know what I mean? Or they could start to make you look a certain way like this guy does this or, you know, they have just, there's a lot of power out there. Especially when you start to succeed. And that's why I wanted to get off social media because it's like, I remember one time I was like out in a nice restaurant and like, I had like, I had got shots for everybody and someone took a picture of me and they were like, I see where our patriarch money's going.

Starting point is 01:33:07 Oh, wow. You know, it's like that where I'm just like, bro, like I just like, let me enjoy my life to a degree. Like I'm supporting my entire family now basically, you know what I mean? So it's like, I don't know, man, success is hella weird because I never thought it'd be someone who was successful and it comes with a whole different responsibility and it's harder to make real friends. It's scary kind of isn't it?

Starting point is 01:33:27 It's hella scary, especially when you're young, you know, and you, you, you popped off when you were young too. Yeah. So you know what it's like? It's like, damn, like I have less friends than ever, you know, but the friends that I do have are really strong, but like I can't be around it. And your own ego, I got scared of my own ego too because, you know, feeling like I had a, I was at a loss, you know, of like, uh, attention or affection growing up.

Starting point is 01:33:48 Then I was like, oh, this is important, you know, like this specific part of it, you know, that can be scary. Yeah. It's all interesting. People look for like, uh, examples of ego exaggeration too, to be like, oh, this guy's super full of himself because he did this. Yeah. Like once you succeed, people look for a villain arc to be like, oh, he used to be dope, but

Starting point is 01:34:09 you know, now he's at Soho house and he's going to Equinox and paying for hot stone massages and I just saw him with AirPods in, you know, fuck that guy. What a sellout. You know, and like that's a real narrative, especially, you know, I'm someone who like cares about, you know, issues of like racial justice and shit, so it's like, that's not that compatible with having money and my goal is not to have money, but it's like, when you succeed, people kind of know that you're doing, you're doing well and like every time I sell merch, which is like the money goes right back into funding channel five, but

Starting point is 01:34:40 everyone's just like, I have fun like grifting or whatever I'm just like, whatever. People want to support you. People want to have your stuff. They want to be like, oh, I like this. This is something cool. I used to think about that. We try to self-merch at a fair price and we try to do the best that we can. And at a certain point you can spend all day, I can sit there and be like a guy who's handling

Starting point is 01:34:58 all my merch stuff or merch issues, but then I'm not even creating anything that people want or even honoring myself by being, it's like, there's only so many wars you can fight, you know? Dude for sure. And that's why I'm just like chilling on the, chilling on the Instagram. Yeah. Good for you, man. It's brave and it's hard to do.

Starting point is 01:35:16 Yeah. It's like vaping for your fucking ego. Yeah. And then it's off. Wow. Crazy. Damn. That's powerful, dude.

Starting point is 01:35:25 I didn't know that. Yeah. I'm not going to make any public statement being like, screen time is bad for you. The coolest shit to do is just withdraw on your own time, because only thing lamer than being addicted to Instagram is being one of those people who's like publicly against Instagram. Yeah. On Instagram.

Starting point is 01:35:40 Yeah. On Instagram being like, I'm taking a break from my mental recovery. It's like, oh, are you? Yeah. Thanks for letting us know, dude. This isn't part of your long-term Instagram plan, is it? You know, break from my break, then they'll come back and take a break from the break. Oh, that was so refreshing.

Starting point is 01:35:52 Great to see you guys again. How's it going? Yeah. It's been four days. Yeah. For sure. What about the love life, man? Do you envision yourself?

Starting point is 01:36:00 Are you dating? Is there anything like that for you? Do you like affection? Yeah. For sure. It's just hard to navigate in this, the position that I'm in, you know? Yeah. I'm like hyper, not hyper critical, but I definitely trust problems.

Starting point is 01:36:16 Yeah. I feel like I'm in the position that I'm in. I feel like I'm really paranoid about, you know, if someone's genuine or not. Interesting. And so that makes me not open up to people because I'm like, damn, this sounds like a classic thing, but it's like, would you be around if I didn't have all this shit going on? If I wasn't doing cool stuff.

Starting point is 01:36:35 And that extends beyond dating. That's just all of social life, but I'm taking it slow. I have a lot on my plate. I have this movie coming out. I have the tour working on a cartoon. I definitely have put the whole love life thing in the backseat until I'm like satisfied with other stuff, you know, because love can crash and burn, but if you make awesome stuff, that's forever.

Starting point is 01:36:57 You know, if you put your passion into a project, that's going to outlive you. When also I noticed my passion, my work can't hurt me like at a level, you know? Like my work can't, my work is always, I know exactly what it's going to be. I know the return it's going to give me. It can affect me. It can, but it's not going to have the same effect as loving somebody or something like that. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:37:21 Anyway, that's kind of a fucking big reach, but it's not going to go on your phone while you're sleeping. Yeah. Yeah. My job's not going to go on my phone while I'm sleeping. Yeah. That's true. Also, it's like, I feel like if you do date people in this position, like they assume

Starting point is 01:37:34 that you're like, hell, I'm faithful when you're not. Oh, interesting. You know what I mean? Like. Yeah. I think that's probably true. Like if I meet a girl the first thing you ever say is, oh, I bet you know girls all over.

Starting point is 01:37:45 All right. I could spend like two days with someone, like have the best time. Yeah. And they're like, I'm just one of the many. I'm like, no, no, that's not even true. Yeah. Like you have the best like, I'm like a honeymoon basically. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:37:58 The last thing they say is like, all right, I'll see you in a month. Never. I'm like, man. Yeah. They, but I guess that's an accurate thing for somebody. If you're just kind of also, we passed through town guys, like us passed through town, you know? We're tit grifters.

Starting point is 01:38:12 Yeah. And that is something and some of that's first of all, okay, we've also created this ambiance in the world. Like it's not like, I get a lot of dims from women are like, let's fuck, let me see that penis hole. No way. Oh, I swear. Okay.

Starting point is 01:38:26 Dude, the stuff I gotten, let me see that dick hole or whatever. You know, just crazy. Like what? I don't even. So it's like, there's women out there trying to get you to stop by as well. Yeah. I've been inhuman about it. I've seen, I've been at the zoo before, animal walk across the cage, fuck another animal.

Starting point is 01:38:46 I don't even know them or her, they didn't even look. And then they go back. They go back to whatever, the dog food or whatever, they give them whole dog food. You notice how did the zoo? I didn't know that man. It's like, yeah, I'm like, everything eats dog food. Yeah. I try to avoid like doing that type of thing though.

Starting point is 01:39:04 Like for tour, like when I'm on tour, I just like to work, finish the show, do the meet and greet and just keep it pushing because I got to watch the ego too. And there's no worse way, there's no worse thing for your ego than like being surrounded by surrounding yourself with like fans or people in your DMs, like saying shit like that. Because you just sort of develop a complex where I haven't developed it, but my biggest fear is thinking that I'm better than other people or that I have more value than just random garbage man or something.

Starting point is 01:39:38 And also in your ego can grow without you even knowing it. That's what's even scary. Yeah. The ego like a damn moss, bro. Yeah. That thing, it grows at night. Yeah. Also, the weirdest shit is like in the regular world, people are attracted to like being

Starting point is 01:39:52 like athletic and like funny or like in the media world or in like the LA world. It's like who you know and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, it's different man. It's interesting. Well, you're certainly on a journey, bro. And I appreciate you coming in and just kind of spending some time with us and just, you know, getting to know you better man and learn about kind of some of the stuff that's made

Starting point is 01:40:12 you tick. Yeah, dude. Damn. Yeah, the sky's the limit, dude. One last question. Do you think about like your, do you think that there's still good journalism out there? Oh, so much, man. That's one comment that I get on my videos that I don't like is people always say the

Starting point is 01:40:30 last journalist or something like that, like, no man, I'm heavily inspired by Louis Thoreau by Daily Show Correspondents by like Sasha Baron Cohen, people, you know, Vice when I was in high school was this shit. Yeah, Vice was so fire when it first came out, work out bought. The old school days when it was like, like the interviews with General Buttnaked and Liberia. Yeah. You're like, oh my God, like I want to be doing stuff like this.

Starting point is 01:40:54 I only hope that I can create and inspire like more journalists, more civilian independent journalists to go out there and get like the real take, but I feel like I watch interviews that are dope all the time. I watch interviews all day on YouTube and I'm just L-O-L-ing. Dang, that's cool. But the hard part is like, you know, there's too many interviews now. Yeah. You feel that way?

Starting point is 01:41:15 Yeah. Yeah. Whereas we're doing an interview, we're saying it. Yeah. Like I'm saying stick this too much. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I try less and less. I realize more.

Starting point is 01:41:23 I just want to have a chat. Yeah. There's just too many like on YouTube, like maybe it's an algorithm thing, but it's like, it's definitely an algorithm thing. But no, man. I mean, I want to do this forever. Yeah. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:41:36 I'm not mad at anyone. Yeah. I'm curious, bro. I'm curious to see where, yeah, I'm curious to see where you take it, man. You're so creative and it's fun to listen to and it's fun to learn and see what you're doing, man. I appreciate your time, Andrew. Yeah, dude.

Starting point is 01:41:51 It's been sick being on. I like that. It's just you and me. You know what I mean? Yeah. I see why you like a more one-on-one podcast style. Yeah. It makes me feel more comfortable.

Starting point is 01:42:00 I can be myself. I can try to learn more about the person. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Sometimes you go through times in your life where you feel like I need to evolve and I don't know how to do that right now and so I need to take a step back and see what do I do.

Starting point is 01:42:16 Yeah. I wanted to ask you, who's like your dream podcast guest? We had Lil Boosie on. I would like to have him again. So good, dude. Yeah. I like Boosie, man, because he's so, he's so real and uncut, but also trying to figure your shit out, you know.

Starting point is 01:42:34 You guys are just pure Louisiana too. Bro, yeah. I love Boosie. Who else, dude? There's a Senator John Kennedy. I think his name is from Louisiana. Know what's his name? From Louisiana?

Starting point is 01:42:43 John Bell Edwards. No, that guy. That would be a terrible review. Yeah. I guess the governor. John Neely Kennedy. Yeah. There's this other dude from Louisiana.

Starting point is 01:42:51 I want to get that dude from Louisiana that does those crazy videos. If you're a criminal up in our town. Oh, I didn't know. I thought it was Florida. That's Louisiana. That's Louisiana. I think you'd be a good reporter or some shit. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:43:04 This dude says some wilds. He's just like, it has great sound bites. I would love to sit and chat with him. That guy hates crime. You can look at him and just tell all types of crime, dude. You parking the yellow. He's on your ass. Oh, that's true.

Starting point is 01:43:15 He does that. He fucking has the most. He has that whole monitor vibe. He does. I can literally like picture a young him. Who else is somebody I would love to really interview, man? Man, JJ Watt, I think would be real interesting. Um, oh, I wanted to interview mystical so bad and he just got arrested again for the same type of shit. I know really

Starting point is 01:43:37 Damn, he just can't stop being a fucking bad man It that bro that broke my heart because I was so I kept reaching out to my even DM them a couple times we've been messaging and And And he did and then he got then he got busted so if he ever gets hot I would like to I would love to get to chat with him I'm not NBA young boy. Would you do that? Yeah, be fire. It's a hard one again. I've been trying to get it for a long Have you yeah, he's hard. Yeah, I was curious as to how you go about your guests Do you use publicist and reach out to use just different avenues? It's personally check in with people. Yeah. Yeah

Starting point is 01:44:08 Trey young I think it would be real cool. I'd like to get him from Atlanta Hawks. Yeah, that'd be good He's just seemed like an interesting guy. I gotta rewatch your interview with boozey, man That's one of my favorite my favorite podcast you've ever done. It was fun, man We had to give we had to give him a huge bag of weed and like a couple grand, you know to show up That's not too bad. How much are you the couple ounces of weed? It was a no, it was like this much weed with a pound of weed Yeah, yeah, it was it was a That's thousands of dollars worth of weed. Yeah, yeah, we had it And the best was afterwards here we go

Starting point is 01:44:44 He was dancing in the parking lot and he opens up this SUV Like two of these like red-boned chicks get out of there dude and like one of his hair was like stuck in the seat belt But they've all been there just smoking in party. Have you seen how he asks his fans for random shit on the road? He's like who in Atlanta has a Pontiac GT He's like, I need a Pontiac GT rental car with note with the good tags He's like email my manager and like the next thing, you know, it's some family like what up boozey And he's like appreciate it man. He said you should look up when you get home boozey asking fans for things on Instagram It's like a 20-minute compilation. I love that man. What are some groups you want to get into man?

Starting point is 01:45:27 Are there some outlier groups? You don't even know exist yet. I'm sure the adult baby community Oh, really or they call it the age play community. Hmm people who pretend to be babies, you know Get important get caretakers to read the bedtime stories some so go as far as Getting the diaper changed and such Wow. I Could see that man. It's important. Yeah, that's a good one I interviewed an adult baby at Folsom Street fair in San Francisco two weeks ago. Super cool, dude You'll see it. Yeah, he was just like I had a terrible childhood didn't get to experience being a kid And I just walks around in a diaper

Starting point is 01:46:04 Binky damn That's pretty gangster Yeah, there's some definitely unique groups out there man. I'm curious cuz a lot of them we learned through you man for real You know like my favorite part on those jizz wizard dudes was when they had the one dude that busted out like a real You know, he had that roar shark test and the other dudes had that little jizz on the paper You're talking about the different coloration between Will and Brian Seaman on the paper. Yeah. Yeah, Brian's it was extremely dark Yeah, like orange like minute mates. That was disgusting. I mean, I don't say disgusting Brian if you're watching this It was more halloween. I don't think your ejaculate is disgusting. However, I would

Starting point is 01:46:39 Suggest you consult your primary care physician as to why it's so discolored. It's pumpkin spice. Everything's pumpkin Like it's just that time of year too. You like Halloween. Oh, yeah, what are you gonna be? Hmm, I don't know. I might do something else. It's your farmer or something. Yeah, you know I take it pretty easy what you got Michael Myers. I'm just gonna minion it really. Yeah just like paint my whole body yellow or where the goggles and speak that whatever like hybrid of A Spanish and Italian. Yeah minions. Good man. That's a great idea. Actually. Yeah, shout out to the minions Honestly, that movie was fire as hell. It's that whole series is so great man I went and saw Zach Brian the other night. Have you ever seen him? No, is he involved in minions? No, he's just a musician

Starting point is 01:47:15 But it was awesome. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it just reminded me how great it is to go see live music Live anything this makes you feel, you know, you're like, oh, this is and it reminds your brain that you can do different things You know, sometimes you don't get enough real input, you know, yeah, yeah, it's like you don't get enough actual Performance and they only you know praise you for the one thing they know you're good at like feel you're so funny But right, but then you're an amazing athlete and you're great at fucking listening to music But then my brain forgets those other things. So if I got I got to go out and have real experiences Yeah, you know what people always ask say to me, which is hella weird, huh? They go, how do you find all these crazy-ass people? I'm like everyone is insane. Yeah

Starting point is 01:47:56 You know, I mean like Yeah, I'm like, you know, when's the last time you talked to a person, you know, we got problems Everyone's got serious stuff going on, you know, we're like in the matrix. We're out here. We are man We're freaking out here. I'm happy to spend time with you in the matrix today. Andrew Callahan, man Best of luck on the tour. We'll put it in the link and everything like that. Oh for real? Yeah Dude, this is gonna be tight so cool. I appreciate it. You weren't feeling well. I appreciate you making the time Yeah, man. Yeah. Hell yeah. Hope to see everyone on tour, man. Yeah, man. I will come out when you're in Asheville I'll come out. For real? Yeah, when Asheville or LA so

Starting point is 01:48:31 We'll do it. I'll be so sick Thanks, guys

This Past Weekend - E414 Andrew Callaghan

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