This Past Weekend - E468 Tucker Carlson

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Starting point is 00:01:23 Today's guest is Tucker Paulson. I'm going to try this product. Maybe I'll try one towards the end of the episode. It will wind you up. Really? Yes. Once you try this, you're gonna get a lot richer. Zen? Is that the advertising campaign?

Starting point is 00:02:12 Zen is not a sin. That's the advertising campaign. Really? Yeah, but the truth is Zen is a powerful work enhancer. And also a male enhancer. If you know what I mean. Really? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:02:24 Talking erection, huh? Yep, there's no election front, it was in. Wow. I don't know if I want to zin supported weener, you know? I don't know. I think you do. You think so? Oh yeah, because you want people to get addicted, too. Just close your eyes. B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b Oh, damn, it's like that. That's the neighbor saying, hey, it's real quiet over there. Wack it on the nightstand.

Starting point is 00:02:45 Oh. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Oh. Sorry, excuse me. Sorry. Dude, I would hate to have a real long win

Starting point is 00:02:53 or if you have a cat, that would be the fuck. That would be the fuck. It would be dangerous. It would be dangerous. Talk about a cat toy. Yeah. Pfft, pfft, pfft. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:03:01 But you'd have to put a little bell at the end of it or something. You would have to hit a feather. at the end of it or something. You want it in a feather. Yeah. Um, nice to meet you, man. We never met. Did you have such a crazy, crazy laugh, don't you? It's real. It's beautiful.

Starting point is 00:03:19 It's beautiful. It's very high. Is this, are we on TV? Huh? Is this being recorded? Yeah. So yeah, my laugh is very high. And that's how you know that it's real because it's very high. Is this, are we on TV? Huh? Is this being recorded? Okay. Yeah, we're going to start. Yeah, my laugh is very high. And that's how you know that it's real

Starting point is 00:03:28 because it's so embarrassing and I do it anyway. I like that. Yeah, and I shouldn't have said that. It's not nice to condemn somebody's laugh or what. Oh, you can't hurt my feelings. Okay, go ahead and try. Oh, I'll give it a run, man. Okay, good.

Starting point is 00:03:39 No, I think your laugh kind of reminds me of like a, like a proud kind of grandmother from like maybe the 1850s or something maybe totally sending her boys off to work. Yeah Or like or woman that is kind of new cookie recipe in the mail, you know It's it joyful, but there's a sort of undertone of diabolic. Oh, yeah But in my case, it's totally real. And again, it's not an appealing laugh. It's not like, wow, what a manly laugh.

Starting point is 00:04:10 That is, it's not a chortle, it's more a giggle. Yeah. Yeah, no, it seems like a kid, yeah, like a kid would love it. It seems like, but not too much. Woohoo. Yeah, it reminds you of like Winnie the Pooh kind of, you know? You look, you do have a Christopher Robyn vibe if he grew up, you know? Thank you.

Starting point is 00:04:30 I don't think he ever did though. You think he exists only in the pages of the books. Oh yeah. Actually, there was a Christopher Robyn that was Millen's son and he grew up to be a super bit or a bit or a atheist who hated his dad. Uh-oh. Yeah, it didn't work. Really?

Starting point is 00:04:44 It's all fantasy, yes. Wow. Unless I'm misremembering that, A. Mellon who wrote the book, yeah, he had kind of a tragic family life. Oh, that's heartbreaking. Good to see you today, man. We never met before. One of my children is like your biggest fan.

Starting point is 00:04:58 Really? Yes. And are they, like, how children are we talking? Mid 20s. Oh, that's fine. I'm just saying, I don't want it. Yeah, I don't want it. Nothing creepy or anything.

Starting point is 00:05:07 I don't need like, because it's kind of weird that they allow like little kids to watch you. It's a seat that like, sometimes it's weird that there's no barrier to entry in a lot of people in the world. There's porn on Twitter, dude. So, I mean, in a world that allows that, you're fine. You think there should be porn on Twitter?

Starting point is 00:05:22 No. No, it shouldn't be porn on Twitter. I mean, I'm, you know, no. Yeah, don't go to Twitter. I mean, I wouldn't, you know, spend a lot of time trying to ban porn on Twitter, but like porn on Twitter, come on. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:05:34 Twitter is for your ugly opinions, not your nudity. Yeah. What things do you think shouldn't be on Twitter? I mean, I think everything should be allowed on Twitter. I mean, I'm on Twitter because everything is allowed, right? I don't think everything is allowed on Twitter. I haven't found the boundary yet, but Elon Musk who owns that is said that he's for free speech. And if it's a political view that most people don't like, it's still allowed. Yeah. And I'm so grateful for that. Someone with unpopular views, you know.

Starting point is 00:06:02 Well, didn't they have, well, one thing that I don't like on Twitter sometimes you see like people beating up teachers and stuff like that, you ever seen you this violence that happens? Yeah, I don't like it. But the fact that they allow it and kids beating up each other will have like those things where somebody's gonna set up a kid, somebody's filming some other kids

Starting point is 00:06:21 like are gonna come in and beat up the kid, right? But why did that, because then I feel like if they would stop allowing that then, Some other kids are gonna come in and beat up the kid, right? But why did that, because then I feel like if they would stop allowing that, then because other kids just start mimicking what they see. Well, it's also bad for you to watch it. I say to someone who's watched a lot of it. It's like the ISIS videos. Do you know what to mean?

Starting point is 00:06:37 Or there's a whole bunch of channels of criminals getting shot coming into a jewelry store or a liquor store and some Korean guy just blows them away. And you can't help but love it. I mean, it is the most alluring kind of porn. You just watch it again and again. This guy getting killed. And you think this is not good for me, actually.

Starting point is 00:06:54 I shouldn't watch this. Yeah, there's probably a part of your spirit or whatever. Totally. It's not edifying. It's like actually bad, but it's very hard. Have you ever seen the criminals getting killed? Oh, yeah, yeah. I've seen a couple of them.

Starting point is 00:07:05 There's one guy who's so good at it. He's killed like seven criminals. Yeah, he's a watchmaker in LA. Oh, is he? Yeah. No, it's a very famous guy. Oh, there's a one guy in my dude. They got a quitch on a ravenous guy.

Starting point is 00:07:17 Well, he finally gave up. And now I think he lives in Vegas, but this was in the 80s or 90s in LA. I think he killed five people literally. With revolvers too. This was before everyone had like a double stack, you know, 19 round magazine. These were just like with conventional 38 or 357 revolvers. That's him right there. Can you have that up for me, Nate? This is a watch seller.

Starting point is 00:07:39 He's actually a watch maker. He's the guy who fixes expensive watches and makes the new gears. He's a very, yeah, look at that, Mr. Thomas. The dealer Lance Thomas was wounded five times at his shop, wow. Let's see, he's like the 50s. Okay, I'm sorry, it's my memory pretty good or what? He killed five robbers since 89.

Starting point is 00:07:56 That's amazing, he's like the 50s and watch maker. He's like a few seconds. He's like, that's good, that's good. That dude's unreal. They ran me out of business. He's talking about, there's got to be a truth. There's got to be a time. There's got to be a time when you walk away from the war zone. Wow.

Starting point is 00:08:14 So he just quit because it was too, what a BMF. I mean, he just, yeah, he shot a couple in one day. He says, this is his best quote. Mr. Thomas said he felt no remorse for the lives he had taken. The police ruled each shooting was justified. I was icy said. A frightening thing about this is that it all becomes easier. Wow. It's not good for you to, I mean, you don't want to have to kill five people. I don't, you know, I don't think it's, I don't think it's good for you. What's a fair amount of people to kill? I don't think you want

Starting point is 00:08:42 to kill anyone. You can help. You know, I mean, well, it's certainly justified in self-defense. I mean, no one will judge you. No honest person will judge you for killing someone to protect your life, for your loved ones, even your property. But I just don't think you want to have to do that. Yeah, I agree. I mean, unfortunately, there's some people I think that wake up in, or they're kind of like, kind of looking, you know,

Starting point is 00:09:03 with mine getting into a little, you know, killing or whatever. But I think, yeah, I think you have a lot of people moving to places where you can defend yourself, where the laws are more in your favor to defend yourself because it feels like your own safety has become your own responsibility. Well, you can't defend yourself, you're a slave.

Starting point is 00:09:22 I mean, by definition, if someone can hurt you, but you can't defend yourself, then you're not a human being, you're subhuman. Obviously. Yeah. That's a human right, that proceeds government, right? Being a human? Defending yourself.

Starting point is 00:09:35 Defending yourself. You have to be able to, if I walk up and punch you in the face and you can't hit back, I'm the master, you're a slave, obviously. Yeah. Yeah, that's why I think it's one reason why you can't take guns away is because people have, at the end of the day, have to be able to defend themselves or groups that people have to.

Starting point is 00:09:50 Well, of course, in the police, you know, they've got their own thing, their own concerns. Yeah, you can't rely on them. Um, but I was thinking, yeah, what I don't like about those violence that they show on Twitter where it's like the children beating up children. Yeah. It's because if you're a kid and you see that

Starting point is 00:10:04 and you see that and you see it gets a lot of traction, then you go do it. So you're just replicating this vibe. It's like you see so many more kids doing it now because they've seen it as like a thing. So that kind of thing I don't think they should allow one there.

Starting point is 00:10:19 Well, also you don't wanna see every ugly thing that people do. You know what I mean? You don't wanna see fat people in the shower, you don't wanna see people in the john. Like there are a lot of things that happen that you don't necessarily wanna look at video of. I don't mind watching a thick person in the shower.

Starting point is 00:10:33 If there's a real skinny person in her with them and they have to like kind of like jockey for position or something, you know? Sean with somebody's hard, I think. I don't know matter what size they are. Have you seen a lot of that? I think I've been in some showers with, you know, with varying sizes of humans and yeah,

Starting point is 00:10:49 it's the all the fattest person you've shared with. Oh, probably a good... Hmm. Trying to remember. Like real fat or just kind of bulky? I remember I picked this gal up one time trying to fucking go back to how it felt on my back I'll probably say Upper ones upper ones, but you're not going to

Starting point is 00:11:16 No, no, no, just as yeah Okay, you're lying I can tell Yeah, yeah, okay, you're lying. I can tell. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. No, is there laws like, do you know if there's any laws? Like if there's people who are doing pedophiling, right? And they are reaching out to children through social media.

Starting point is 00:11:41 Why isn't there a responsibility on the social media companies? Well, that's a great question. That's a very good question. That's a very good question. That's a very good question. That's a very good question. That's a very good question.

Starting point is 00:11:50 I think there is. I think there is. And I think some have got in trouble for that, providing a space for that. I'm not a lawyer, but it's certainly wrong, certainly immoral. And I, you know, you gotta think they make some effort to stop that, though. I think there's a lot of it. There are a lot of creepy people out there. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:12:06 And the number of creepy people is increasing. You think so? Seems to be. Yeah, seems to be. Yeah, I wonder why that is, huh? Because you can look up other creepy people. It's kind of like, you said you wouldn't allow video of kids fighting on the internet

Starting point is 00:12:22 because it inspires other kids to fight. Yeah. You know, creepiness inspires creepiness, right? Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, man, I just wanna get to know you a little bit. I wanna get to know you too. I'm not like the whole shower thing. Oh, no. Not, you don't weigh enough, I don't think.

Starting point is 00:12:39 I'm close. For what I'm looking for. Okay. Yeah, man, nice to meet you. So you grew up, you grew up in California, right? I did. And so were you, I think people were you in a fraternity? I think that's the most thing people look at when they see it. In a fraternity? No, I was. No, really? No. Okay. I never joined a fraternity. Oh, my roommates joined a fraternity. I actually lived in a fraternity, but I never joined. And I don you like to be told what to do at all? Really? No.

Starting point is 00:13:05 Me neither do they. Like at all. Like at all. Yeah. Yeah. It's my big, it's like I have a moral claustrophobia about being told what to do. I'm happy to do things in the mind,

Starting point is 00:13:15 serving other people, but it has to be voluntary. I can't be ordered around. Yeah, I don't like being told what to do. Hey bitch, go get me a cigarette. You're a pledge. You know, things are. Yeah, that's a good point. I don't know. I'm not gonna do that. Yeah, and I don't want to being told what to do. Hey bitch, go get me a cigarette, you're a pledge. You know, think so. Yeah, that's a good point. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:13:26 I'm not gonna do that. Yeah, and I don't wanna be told what to do about some white kid that's in a polystyre or whatever. Or any color kid. Yeah. No color kid. Yeah, yeah. Or adult for that matter.

Starting point is 00:13:37 I just don't wanna be bossed around. And by the way, I don't mind taking advice or wise counsel from people I respect or I'm often wrong. I'm not saying that I'm always right. I'm definitely not. But being ordered to do things suggests a level of disrespect I just can't do with it at all. And even just about like work and stuff

Starting point is 00:13:56 where you always like that from just like with work, like you wanna be your own voice. Of course, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's where you end up, right? Keep getting fired, right? Yeah, yeah. So I mean, not that I mean that's where you end up right getting fired right? Yeah Yeah, I mean not that I don't I don't want to fight about it I'm not interested in being like you can't tell me what to do or you know give a lot of lectures about it But I a deaf especially my business you have a similar job where you know you're paid to say what you think yeah

Starting point is 00:14:19 Right and so you you want to do your job which is to say what you think Was there even a time when you were working at different newsplaces where you were like, gosh, this still isn't my own voice? Oh, all the time. Really? Was always my own voice, but they're just you could feel the parameters. I mean, I started in my 20s, mid 20s. I know I'm in mid 50s, so it's been a long time. Why you look great for 50s, man? I'm 54. Are you really? Yes. Oh, wow.

Starting point is 00:14:47 Is that shocking? Shocking. I don't feel it. But anyway, but when you're much younger and you've got little kids, I always had a lot of kids just reproduce like a crazy person. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:57 Which I recommend strongly to you. Um, you know, you feel vulnerable and like, you know, you're not allowed to say certain things. And I do think I was never censored, but I self censored for sure. You know, you feel vulnerable and like, you know, you're not allowed to say certain things and I do think I I was never censored, but I self censored for sure You know The war on rock breaks out and you're like maybe it's a good idea This is not a good idea and you know, it's not a good idea You know what I mean? But you allow yourself to be convinced because

Starting point is 00:15:20 You know, it's super unpopular to say it's not a good idea But it clearly wasn't war with Iran not a good idea. I can say that now Why do we go along with that consensus a lot of times? What is it that makes us afraid to speak out? Well people have a deep need to be part of a group It's just it's a human need right up there with sex and food and shelter, you know, it's like people want to be Connected to other people which I understand and I want that too But that can override reason and common sense very often

Starting point is 00:15:49 So if you're in a million studies been done this, but if you're in a group, I mean everyone experience You know group full of people and I was like, you know, I hate chocolate ice cream and you're like I kind of like chocolate ice cream, but you don't say anything about it because People like chocolate ice cream suck and you're like, yeah, they suck You know, it's just, it's a human thing. And so it's, people go along with stuff that their gut tells them isn't the right thing, but you should never ignore your gut,

Starting point is 00:16:13 your instincts, which you inherited from your ancestors, which are encoded in your DNA, and which are almost never wrong. If you're with someone and you feel like, God, that person's lying. That person's lying. You may not know what about, you know, of X-ray vision to someone's soul,

Starting point is 00:16:27 but you can smell the deception on someone. I know that you can, we all can. Or if you feel danger, you're like, wow, this person poses a threat to me. You're right. You don't know the details. You don't need to know the details. Get away.

Starting point is 00:16:39 And if something's really stupid, like, let's go over with Ron. It's like what? And I just feel like it's, you know, maybe because of my age and my job, I have a moral obligation to say, I think that's really unwise. You don't wanna go to work with a run? No, because I'm not insane.

Starting point is 00:16:59 That's insane. Oh yeah, look, I'm not saying it is either. I don't think that we should be involved in a lot of this shit. You think? How's it helping you a lot? No, it's a, just cause all these moral victories you're winning. It's causing more problems.

Starting point is 00:17:12 I don't even know if I'm winning any moral victories. It just causes more problems, you know? It's like hard to navigate between my friends that are different ethnicities or different, are from different places now. But we shouldn't have to, because we all live here and we should all be united in that. Right, but do you think,

Starting point is 00:17:27 and I think when I was a childhood, felt like that, we were all, it felt like we were united, that we were all like Americans. But it doesn't, I feel like that's been pretty heavily compromised, pretty quickly even, which is almost amazing. And I feel like, and these aren't Debbie Downer feelings,

Starting point is 00:17:47 these are your just thoughts, I should say that. I think sometimes that, yeah, it's like, like America just feels like a shell company that, that, people just parked their asses. Where it's an LLC for the world. Yeah. No, I mean, have we always been that though.

Starting point is 00:18:06 Of course not. It was a real country. It wasn't just an idea or some shell company or LLC. That's so nice. I'm stealing that by the way. I hope this never airs so I can steal that. Yeah. But no, a buddy of mine, my best friend, just sent me a video about eight minutes ago. He's dropping, he's visiting his daughter

Starting point is 00:18:21 at Parents Weekend at a college, a well known college. And there's a huge demonstration in the middle of campus between two sides in the Middle East. And one of the sides starts burning the other side's flag. It's a foreign flag, okay? And this fist fight breaks out. And I'm like, I mean, I have views on who's more right or whatever, but I thought to myself, and I said to him,

Starting point is 00:18:44 if someone burned an American flag, nobody would fight to him, if someone burmed an American flag, nobody would fight over it. You get to burn the American flag, but bring the flag of another country, which is not our country, to which we do not pay taxes, whose military we don't serve in. That's the most defensive thing. We have lost the thread, man.

Starting point is 00:18:59 We're all Americans, and if you wind up in a place where our allegiance to other countries or regions or things that are not American take precedence over our common Americanness, I mean we're screwed. We're screwed. I feel like we're at the apex of that sometimes. Yes. We're not at the apex of that.

Starting point is 00:19:20 I don't think in the, I can't tell if we're at that in the, I think we're if we're at that in the, I think we're getting to that in the moral compass of a lot of people. And it's sad because I think a lot of people, myself included, or for myself, I don't think I ever wanted to get to that place. No, I never, but I think a lot of people are just starting to feel like, um, you know, once your Americanism, like, dis, dissolves and once you're like common thread dissolves, you don't have a connection, you know?

Starting point is 00:19:49 And so then you, it's your instinct start to take over like we're kind of talking about and you have to take care of yourself. And so once like the ice you're on starts to get milding, like before you're on an ice, you can skate, you're seeing other people, you're fucking do, you know, you're buying a, you know, bootleg, grisky jersey off somebody, whatever, you guys are all on an ice, you can skate, you're seeing other people, you're fucking do, you're buying a bootleg, grecky jersey off somebody, whatever, you guys are all on the ice, right?

Starting point is 00:20:09 You're imitating home alone, there's a fucking, you know, gays or there's gays guys always on the ice. But it's like, What are the gays doing on the ice too? Skate, yeah, stupid question. But they're having fun, right? Of course they're fun. And I'll say that I'll live with the gays skater

Starting point is 00:20:23 and he could jump over a Volkswagen, right? That's impressive. Oh, it was unbelievable, bro. I've never seen strong ankles. I mean, just the dude was like a, yeah, he brought us out of the living room once and showed us and blew our minds, man. A beautiful guy.

Starting point is 00:20:37 Not that great. I mean, pretty beautiful, I guess, tall. Tall. Which adds a little bit. But well built too, obviously. Oh, yeah, kind of. If I don't know, I'm a quick thinking about him, but But anyway, but once that ice starts to melt the first thing you have to think about is yourself right?

Starting point is 00:20:52 Yeah, and so that's what I feel like we're right now and a lot of people are having to think about themselves Like literally watching our country or what we have viewed as our ideals and morals and what we held dear like Sink in this water and there's nothing you can do about it except take care of yourself. That's where I feel like a lot of people are at. There's nothing they can do right now but take care of themselves. And they're displacing a lot of their frustration about our economy, which we never talk about. It's getting very expensive for people to live here, like too expensive actually.

Starting point is 00:21:20 Oh yeah, I saw some Gary other day. I was like, Jesus man. How do people afford that? Yeah, you know. How do you even do a bonfire anymore? You know, that's totally right. Yeah. No, it's completely right. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:30 How do you, if you want to take, you know, gasoline and port on the pallets, like it's six bucks, you know? Right. But, but they're displacing a lot of that frustration on to regions, countries, conflicts that are thousands of miles away. It's almost like I'm picking a team, and all my rage is gonna, and I do wish people reserve their anger for our leaders

Starting point is 00:21:49 who deserve it, in my opinion, on both sides. And for the problems that are like besteading the country, you drive to America recently, it's like not a good shape at all. It's kind of poor, actually, shockingly poor. And people should be really mad about that. And instead they're mad about whatever, Israel, Hamas. I mean, I get it.

Starting point is 00:22:06 I think they're, I understand people are upset on both sides. However, it's unhealthy to spend all your time in your head and rage to put a foreign conflict when your own country is suffering so badly. Like, we need that energy, that constructive energy here. And I never hear anybody say 108,000 people died of fennel ideas last year in my country. Like young people, a lot of whom weren't doing fennel.

Starting point is 00:22:30 They were taking percussette or benzos and they ingested a pill with fennel in it and they died, they were poisoned to death, okay? That's unbelievable, that's outrageous. No one seems mad about that. They're mad about some foreign war and what a waste. You know, because we can't control that anyway. Yeah.

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Starting point is 00:25:52 like I remember watching that show. What was that show that I really liked? Yeah, dope sick. You see dope sick. No, man. I don't know if I get handling it, but I live in a place with a lot of that. So I see it. Well, it's about the fan, it's about Michael Keaton is in it, right? I think that's him. He used to be Batman, but now I guess he's selling drugs, right? Which is a perfect example. Oh, it's about pretty farma. It's a perfect example of our country.

Starting point is 00:26:16 Even Batman is fucking selling pills, you know? Well, the company that got, the country got rule America hooked on opioids, got away with it. Well, that was on label. Nobody went to jail. Yeah, the whole family. They're still rich and like really didn't go to jail. This ruin, this ruin, this I think about this every single day.

Starting point is 00:26:37 I hate the Sackler family. I hate this whole thing that happened. It's unbelievable. But they got away with it. How do you do that? Well, these people, this country, they let a, our FDA let these people down. But no one was punished. Not one person was punished.

Starting point is 00:26:51 Yeah, I know. And you see people go to jail, I mean, this not even a political point, it's true. And both, you know, voters for both parties go to jail for very small things, very small things. Yeah. And yet you like poison the entire country, you rack an entire generation of kids,

Starting point is 00:27:07 and you're still a billionaire? Tell me how that works. I don't know. If I ever saw that guy on the street, I would fucking saw his face off. How would you saw his face off? I'd figure it out. Do you bring a saw?

Starting point is 00:27:18 Do you have a saw with you? I'd just turn into a saw. That's how much I ate that guy. You know what I mean? It's just unbelievable how many people I got killed in no care concern. No. And then the way that they lobbied our own FDA people,

Starting point is 00:27:31 they took them off of the job and paid them more to work for them to help them beat the laws. Yeah. Sorry man, I didn't mean to bring that up. No, no, no, but I mean next time they tell me I have to take some former product and probably gonna pass. I'm just saying.

Starting point is 00:27:43 Yeah, I'm a same leader. I'm gonna get a pass. I'm just saying. Yeah, I'm a pro-wagoner. I'm a pass. I don't trust you anymore, sorry. Well, I miss the days you get some fucking good pills too. I mean, there's part of that in this, you know? When a dude could give you a couple stack or twos, you know, you'd hold up the wall over there and, uh, and hoboak for an hour, you know?

Starting point is 00:28:00 I think those days are, are over. You gotta go to Fendle. I just don't wanna do it. No, I don't think it should. Well, I'll overdose, man. I'm sober like 18 months. I would overdose easy. You're sober 18 months?

Starting point is 00:28:11 One of the reasons I don't do cocaine anymore is because they fucking ruined it. What? With the Fendell. You speak as baby-loxative. Yeah, but I'd rather shit than die. I agree with that. I mean, I'd rather get off the toilet and be like,

Starting point is 00:28:24 oh, I was hectic than be like, get out like an air nurse like, God, we're not going blue. But I got to go to heaven. And that, by the way, is a guess. Okay. But that's the hope. And how's it been 18 months? It's been good, man.

Starting point is 00:28:42 I love it. You know, we're the first six weeks. That's the toughest part. Oh, I know it been there. Oh, you have yeah, what did you have to get off of? Oh, you name it. That's been 21 years, but yeah, but you still you can drink though. No, I can I can do it a blow. I can drink, but other than that, I'm totally so Yeah, it's it's a modified shepherds So it's a modified separate who is your brother? Shepherd Smith. That's what I want. Okay, that's funny, but I'm not going to comment on it

Starting point is 00:29:10 beyond that. That's fine. No, and no digger, Shepherd. I'm a fan of Shepherd. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he's just a legend and a lot of circles from a lot of friends. I'm from different colleges.

Starting point is 00:29:19 How do you know all this? It's like, dude, it's easy to just be alive and you just pay attention. Well, without commenting on that, I will say. No, so Brad, he's been cool for me, man. But it was tough the first six weeks, like, how would you do? Yeah, I think what's tough is like having to change, having to quit some, you know,

Starting point is 00:29:38 having to not have a beer if you need it, having to not like have something to give me a little bit of respite. Yes. That's right. bit of respite. Yes. That's right. Oaning angst. Yes. That's a lot of it.

Starting point is 00:29:49 Did you go off everything? Yeah. So, I didn't have a problem with anything except for cocaine. So, if I drink, I could have a drink, I'd be fine. I hated drinking. But I know if I have a drink, the only reason I'm going to have it is so I can go, I'll have four steps and then I'll go get cocaine. Of course.

Starting point is 00:30:03 And then I'll be fine. How did you deal with feeling terrible the next day on the cocaine? Yeah. Oh, poor, Lee, brother. Bagging people for gatorade over text message. Yeah. It was horrible, dude.

Starting point is 00:30:14 Yeah, and this, but this was some of this, they didn't have that. It's a high cost drug. Yeah. And not just on the front end on the back. Yeah, the next day was horrible. The sad, the like the things that have to apologize for. Yeah. What's the freakyest thing you did while on cocaine? Oh, dude, I'll day was horrible, the sad, the things that have to apologize for. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:25 What's the freakyest thing you did while on cocaine? Oh, dude, I'll tell you some of the weirdest thing is what I would look for, ask courts on the internet, right? Yeah. And classic cocaine move there. Yeah, 100 Biden has plowed this furrow before. Yeah, dude. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:40 Others have been where you were. Yeah, literally. Yeah, I think Hunter even was my plug on some of this. And so he, but then they would come to my residence. I would be so scared and paranoid. I would take the money and hand it out the door because I didn't want to not pay for the,

Starting point is 00:31:01 you know, they drove over. They drove over, right? You know, so yeah, I would pay him. And then I would just be grateful that they weren't there. So you, you wouldn't stiff the hooker, but then you wouldn't stiff the hooker. Yeah. Well, I think, look, I, well, I just felt bad. You must have been their favorite account. Well, then sometimes, dude, I had to talk to a lady who speaks another language. That's crazy. Because then you're playing charades, you're fucking high on cook.

Starting point is 00:31:30 You were ordering the human trafficking ones? I wouldn't say that, dude. These people were off the interstate. I would say that. They were off the interstate. They weren't like, what are they called? Lot lizards? No, this was out of this.

Starting point is 00:31:42 I mean, they weren't, I think these were decent ladies, who were out in total. Trying to make a dollar. I never, yeah, anyway, this didn't get in well, but. But yeah, that was kind of the toughest part, because I was just looking for some kind of connection. Of course. And I just,

Starting point is 00:31:59 That's a real thing when you just said, I get that. I didn't know how to get it. Because it's isolating. It's drugs now called isolating. You're really about yourself when you're said, I get that. I didn't know how to get it. Because it's isolating. It's drugs and alcohol are isolating. You're really about yourself when you're doing them. And part of you wants to reach out and connect with someone else. I think that's absolutely right.

Starting point is 00:32:12 Yeah, I like cocaine because I needed to control how I felt immediately. That's one reason I didn't like alcohol. Because I was just such a control person that I needed to control how I felt immediately. So cocaine, I could do it immediately. I would, the feeling would be there immediately. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:28 And so that's one reason that I liked it. You never got into Zanax or alcohol or anything to help you come down. No, I wish I had. I didn't know you could do that. Oh, yeah, you can do that. Oh, I mean, I don't think it's legal, but you can. So I was doing it wrong.

Starting point is 00:32:43 Yeah, so you're doing it wrong. I was just thinking. You had the wrong kind of cocaine addiction. but you can. So I was doing it wrong. Yeah, so you're doing it wrong. I was just thinking. You had the wrong kind of cocaine addiction. And most of the shit I was doing, I think it was Sherwin Williams. You know, this shit had, you know, I remember doing a Nate Ballamat finish, you know? So I'm like, this isn't legitimate, you know,

Starting point is 00:32:59 semi-gloss, I'm like, this is for fucking shutters, this is outdoor, would it, you know? I've done some very questionable thing, you know, so what was it like for you getting to getting off of it? I mean, it was awful. It was awful. It was awful. It was, it was absolutely awful.

Starting point is 00:33:19 But I'm so grateful that I did. I'm thankful my brother and I both did, actually. Wow, so it's in your family? It's a, it's a, well, it's in my family. Oh, we're brother and I both did, actually. Wow, so it's in your family? It's a, it's a, well, it's in my family. Oh, we're sweetish, yeah. Oh, y'all are. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:30 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. The farther north you go, in, on the globe, the higher percentage of people have drinking problems. I mean, that's, I think, pretty well established fact. Look at Santa, do works one fucking day a year. I mean, the ask him, oh, no, I'm serious. And, you know, it's a lot of ancestors from Northern Europe.

Starting point is 00:33:47 So yeah, alcohol is a big thing. And I needed to get off it and had at least children and a job on TV. And it's just not compatible with a productive happy life at all. And I quit in the first few months were like shocking. I didn't realize, I didn't realize, I had no help at all. Really?

Starting point is 00:34:04 Yeah, I didn't, I did it at home alone. And I didn't. And I didn't realize, I had no help at all. Really? Yeah, I did it at home alone. And I didn't. And I didn't willing to try and have, how like were you that kind of, like you're like, were you a, like, standard public job? Oh, no. I was an anchor on CNN, and so I just thought, I don't wanna get into the whole,

Starting point is 00:34:17 I'm going to rehab or whatever. I just don't wanna get involved with that. And it was fine, we're great. And I've never, you know, gone back, and I never would at for anything. And I've never, you know, gone back and I never would for anything. However, I didn't realize that I knew very little about it. I hadn't, this was kind of before I was using the internet. I just didn't know that much about addiction at all.

Starting point is 00:34:37 And I quit and all of a sudden I had these withdrawal symptoms that were like shocking. My hands are shaking. I feel like I'm gonna freak out all the time. Super anxious, super, super anxious. Sweating, heart palpitations. I was like, what is this? And I asked somebody, I didn't tell many people.

Starting point is 00:34:55 I asked them, they were like, oh, you're a Drone from Alcohol. And if you start to hallucinate, that means you have the DTs that do it in the Tremons and you need to go to the hospital because you could die. I was like, what? I never got that, thank heaven. But anyway, yeah, it was awful.

Starting point is 00:35:07 But then, you know, within like, I don't know, six months, I felt great. I started smoking two cigarettes at once. I mean, my nicotine, it's in prom galomor intense. But I felt wonderful and I felt great ever since. Wow. And did you ever go to meetings? You ever get into a 12-step or no? No one time.

Starting point is 00:35:26 But I love it. I just did dinner last night with Bobby Kennedy who's been in a 12-step program, Russell Brands, same thing in the other front of my mind. I always went to a meeting at Bobby's house on Tuesday. Oh, okay, what a wonderful man he is. Bobby's a neat guy, a neat guy. He is, he's a very deep person,

Starting point is 00:35:41 and he's learning the right things, and people like that make me very pro 12 step because like they are just like I'm not in control of my life and they're not because nobody is Everyone lies about it. Oh, I've got it under control. No, you don't you know freaking idea what you're doing You can't extend your life by single day. You're lying to yourself in those around you Just admit you have no clue. You're doing the best you can you're a totally screwed up kind of embarrassing person You know what I mean? Okay.

Starting point is 00:36:07 And be liberated. And so I strongly believe in that because it's true. It is the truth. I know in the rest of it, it's such a fucking, such a sled we pull in our fake. And it is. As I always say to my kids, everybody knows who you really are. Everybody already knows what your bad qualities are

Starting point is 00:36:27 and they love you anyway. So don't even try and hide them. I mean, I'm sure you don't people who are like alcoholic or bad temper or secretly gay or what. And they're like, oh, no one knows. No one knows. It's like everybody knows. And again, they love you anyway.

Starting point is 00:36:45 So you don't need to hide it. Just be who you are. And when you are, I mean, you are so liberated. It's this massive weight coming off you. It's like, yeah, kind of fucked up. But, you know, more than some, less than others, but trying and people are like, that's great. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:02 People are way less juggie than you think they are. Right, there's some inverse of it, you know, where it's like we think someone's so, but then if we look at the way we look at people, we might have some jokes about it stuff, but most of the time you have empathy. Exit. At dinner, two nights ago, I'm sitting next to this woman

Starting point is 00:37:21 and she said something about, it was a long story, but basically it was about a woman gaining weight. And I said to her, you know, I've never been in a group of just men on a hunting trip or fit, you know, we're just men. We're someone's like, ah, she had a fat ass. It's like men have the widest, strike zone imaginable. Men like women, heterosexual men like women,

Starting point is 00:37:42 they don't judge their appearance very harshly at all. They kind of tend to like all sorts of women. That's true. And if you knew how non-judgmental men were about women's appearances, you would relax. But of course, you don't care what men think about your appearance, you only care what other women think about your appearance and they're very judgy.

Starting point is 00:37:57 But it's the same principle, it's like we are less judged than we think we are, you know? Yeah, it's funny, but it's not the nature of us to think think we are. You know? Yeah, it's funny, but you we don't, but it's not the nature of us to think that we are. Did you tell people when you quit using cocaine? Yeah, I did, I think. Let me think. Yeah, uh, yeah. I did, I told them.

Starting point is 00:38:20 Well, I got into meetings. I didn't, it was been in my family, you know. My family, a lot of my family, it's in my family. So, the cocaine thing. The drug, just alcohol, childhood issues, really. A lot of it is more, a lot of my stuff comes from really intimacy disorders, like a connectivity disorders. You know, so, but then whenever anything triggers

Starting point is 00:38:47 one of those connectivity disorders, then a lot of times it would lead me to doing drugs. So, yeah, I just love it, but what I love about it is now I get to see, man, I saw a dude yesterday who just got a six month chip, you know, in the guy, man, to see somebody whose life is changing, you get to witness somebody. It's unbelievable.

Starting point is 00:39:13 It's unbelievable. I totally agree with that. I had a friend call me this morning, right? And we've been friends for years. And we kind of both know that we have some of the same problems. And it was like the first time he opened up to a man, and we're both sitting there just kind of crying on the phone. And it was the first time he opened up to a man. And we're both sitting there just crying on the phone. Because when he opened up, it just made me feel like,

Starting point is 00:39:31 I was like, I don't know. I just understood him and it was like, I don't know. It was just so important. Well, that's what intimacy is. That you can activities. Yeah. I've always thought that we misread intimacy. We think it's when someone tells the truth about other people.

Starting point is 00:39:47 It's very easy to tell the truth about other people. It's only when someone tells the truth about himself. It's only when you admit who you really are to someone else that you have intimacy. That's the measure of intimacy. If you're willing to tell someone who you really are, you were intimate with that person and vice versa. And that's totally the case. So if you want to know how many truly close relationships do I have, that's and vice versa. And that's totally the key. So if you wanna know how many truly close relationships

Starting point is 00:40:06 do I have, that's how you know. How many people am I willing to admit what a schmuck I actually am, too? That's the number. And what I love about 12 step, I've never actually been to 12 step, I've only heard about it. Actually I went, I was at Russell Brands house,

Starting point is 00:40:20 and he had a meeting, yeah. Oh that's cool. A hilarious people. Was it? I didn't stay for it, I had to leave, yeah. Oh, that's cool. A hilarious people. Was it? I didn't stay for it, I had to leave, but they were. A lot. One of the guys was smoking, which I love,

Starting point is 00:40:29 and it's old school. And they were, anyway, but, but I love the 12-step thing, because you just like it, as with Christianity, which I also like, you admit right away that you are powerless. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 00:40:45 You're not in control. Your life's unmanageable. That's a nice word that they use a lot. Because it's like, sometimes people are like, man, I'm not powerless. But I'll be like, you know, things are unmanageable for me. The way that they phrased everything, it was just really articulate. But anyway, man, we'll congrats on that. Yeah, I think it's interesting.

Starting point is 00:41:01 And it gives me a better scope to handle my own life, you know. And it definitely gives me more opportunity to look at other people when I'm able to. Do you find yourself less judgmental? And what about all the guys you used to do cocaine with? Do you still talk to me? I did it by myself. Good.

Starting point is 00:41:18 That's a fun way to do it. Yeah. Shopping out lines at home. Uh-huh. I change outfits and come back and it'd be a. Uh-huh. Yeah. I change outfits and come back and it'd be a different guy doing it. Yeah. And like, hey, don't do it.

Starting point is 00:41:30 This is for me. You know, is yelling at the other me? You literally did it alone. Oh, yeah, brother. I would do it alone and I'd go hide it somewhere. And I'd be like, I'm going to bed and not do it anymore.

Starting point is 00:41:42 And then I would fucking get up and go find it. And I would do more. And it does affect your sleep patterns. Yeah, bro. Yeah. I've heard that. Yeah. Most of my sleep patterns was me praying, dude.

Starting point is 00:41:57 That somebody would fucking poor gatorade down my chimney. I was just one gatorade. Why gatorade? Just because it's like has electrolyte in it, I would be so dehydrated. So you're not much of a planner. You didn't go to Costco at the time. You just get a pallet up for home.

Starting point is 00:42:13 No, no, bro. You have some pretty crazy nights or no? How do you? Yeah. Hockey. The good news is that, I mean, it was a different, I'm 54. So it was a different time. In the world that I started where I started working 91, everyone went to lunch every day. And though I was a writer at a magazine

Starting point is 00:42:32 and everyone to lunch for an hour and a half every day. Period. I mean, it was a different economy. This was before the corporations took over everything and then planted chips on your phone to listen to your conversation, track your whereabouts, and before we became East Germany, they didn't really know where you were. And it was just a civilized place This was before the corporations took over everything and implanted chips on your phone to listen to your conversation, track your whereabouts,

Starting point is 00:42:45 and before we became East Germany, they didn't really know where you were. And it was just a civilized place and you could just have lunch. And if you drank, it was totally within bounds. To have a couple drinks at lunch, and smoke at lunch,

Starting point is 00:42:57 and then that could keep going. I'm not saying it was great for productivity, but it was a better country. That's just a fact. It was, yeah, it was some fun. And so, I would just say the great blessing in my life is definitely erase my memory of a number of years. So I don't have a lot of guilt somebody

Starting point is 00:43:15 because I don't really remember what I was like, but I don't think very appealing. Yeah. Not a great drunk, yeah. Yeah. Okay. And when you drink, like even if you're not setting out to say use cocaine, you can wind up doing that.

Starting point is 00:43:30 Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, if somebody's got some cocaine, you're gonna stay around them until they don't have it anymore until you have it. I've heard that, yeah. That's true. Oh yeah, that's me right there. I did one time, I was doing some cocaine at the house

Starting point is 00:43:44 and people like, I was one time. I was doing some cocaine at the house and people like, I was like a big vest guy for about 11 months and vest with nothing underneath. Yeah, it is fucking vassette. It's the Chippendale thing. Some shades, it had no chillin' in my part. Did you ever dance? Huh?

Starting point is 00:43:59 No, I wouldn't dance. I'd make a smoothie, but which is kinda like dancing, but just definitely nothing underneath it. Just the vassette. Yeah, no, just vass, yeah. make a smoothie, but um, which is kind of like dance and but just literally nothing underneath it. Just the vest. Yeah, no, just vest. Cause I was just in California too. The way it was, you know, weather permitting. Yeah, totally normal people.

Starting point is 00:44:12 I mean, I remember I drove in California and I'd often wear a vest. It was silk vest kind of. It's my nipples. I liked it. Dude, when silk came out and it was like, there were silk shirts. Oh, yeah. They were so bad. I'm not going to wake. Never. It came out and it was like, over silk shirts. Oh yeah. They were so bad.

Starting point is 00:44:26 I'm not gonna wake. Never real? Yeah, I never wore a silk shirt in my whole life. You're lying. I swear. Yeah. Never, I never fell for that. Good for you actually. I fell for it.

Starting point is 00:44:36 I never bought anything from Fila. Oh yeah. And I never did. Never ate anything that was velour. I mean, their whole epochs. Yeah. In fashion history, that is messed. I just totally got it. I've been wearing the same freaking clothes since 1984, and I mean it. Wow. If you just stay exact with the same like someday, this will be super cool. For a

Starting point is 00:44:56 moment, and then we'll move on to something else, we'll go back to Vests. When I was in school, it was good, man. That was good. Yeah. Yeah. You kind of, you seem like you were conceived at like a Johnson and Murphy and something just fucking world right. I don't know what that is, but I will take that as a compliment. Yeah, it's a compliment, man. My best friend Kevin likes that shit, that story. What's Kevin do?

Starting point is 00:45:14 He does, I don't know. He's looking for a place right now, but his wife's, he got married, but that's Johnson and Murphy. They're at the airport. He's a producer. I buy almost no clothes at the airport, but I'm not against it. So let's get into something important then, right?

Starting point is 00:45:34 Where did you have, I'm just trying to think of where to take this thing. You see trauma? No, trouble. Trouble hooks. Trouble, trauma, trauma, those are the fucking, those are buzzwords. Buzzwords, yep. You make me nervous, I'm gonna grab another zin.

Starting point is 00:45:51 You want it? I almost want to do one, but I just don't know how I'll do with it. Why don't we wait until we're about to close, because things may happen to you that you're not ready for. Okay, but it gets wild, huh? It gets wild in a subtle way. It kind of grows on you. It's not like doing cocaine. It's not like doing cocaine. It's not like firing up the pipe. And you know what I mean? Last offer, anything like that. It's a much more subtle organic.

Starting point is 00:46:13 You just all of a sudden you feel good. Then you feel the power rising from your central nervous system, then sort of going outward through all the nerve endings down to the tips of your fingers. And then up here, it just starts crackling synapses. Just make connections that you hadn't before. I know I'm making it sound like ayahuasca.

Starting point is 00:46:29 It's a lot more subtle than that. Talk, if you did like a talker, a lip-tucker. Yeah. I would buy that. That was your brand of nicotine pouches. Like to do that? Because I believe in it. Talk.

Starting point is 00:46:41 Talk a talk. Yeah, talk a talk. And you get a VNATIVE American attached to it. I love that. I definitely get picketed, but I do it anyway. Yeah, but a tuck. And you get a native American attached to it. I love that. I'd definitely get picketed to do it anyway. Yeah, but some of them would love it. Native Americans would love nicotine. They certainly do.

Starting point is 00:46:51 God, they love it. And unlike most people, I actually know something. Do you? Yes, I do. Because I live near a population of Native Americans. In Maine? In Maine. And employee two.

Starting point is 00:47:04 And have for years and they're really wonderful people. Spent a lot of time with them. And the two that I know very well both love tobacco and they have every right to. Yeah, look, I think it let them love it, you know, at least leave them with tobacco. 100% that happened. Well, they actually, they gave us tobacco. They did? 100%. Wow. Yeah, I mean, there are million different Native Americans. One of those terms, it's like, I'm not sure. Yeah, sure. What past some equities have to do with Hopi's, like, it's pretty, you know, there was a lot

Starting point is 00:47:32 of beef. There was a lot of beef between Native, like, different Indian tribes. Big times. Yeah, yeah. Some of them were very warlike, I think, as the term we used, but, um, no, they used a lot of tribes used it in, in, uh, religious rituals. And they would, they would a lot of tribes used it in religious rituals. And they would, they would use it recktally. Uh-oh, really?

Starting point is 00:47:49 Tobacco supositories. Ooh, yeah. There's a ramrod. Get it up there. Oh, dang, huh? Yeah. Real. Look it up.

Starting point is 00:47:59 Booth and Verkin, that's insane. What, I can't, did it Indian? Yeah, let's see, Tobacco smoke in a molissa. Oh, there you go. Oh, I can't, did it Indian? Yeah, let's see tobacco smoke animal. Oh, there you go. Oh, yeah. Look at that. Okay, so that's it was used by, okay, imported from the new world.

Starting point is 00:48:13 Okay. And it in and in suff, and in deflation of tobacco smoke into the rectum by animal was a medical treatment employed by the European physicians. Right. But also it says tobacco smoke was used by Western metal as a tool against cold and drowsiness and drowsiness.

Starting point is 00:48:30 But if I'm drowzy and you're blowing smoke in my ass, I'm at the, I got a wrong PPO. You definitely do. And by the way, this not even covered now. That's crazy. No, no, that, that in le us or like completely ignored by the medical establishment. But yeah, it was common. The procedure was used to treat gut pain and attempts were often made.

Starting point is 00:48:52 I'm not making this up, you're fact checking me in real time. No, I love this, but applying it by animal was a technique appropriator from the North American indigenous people. Yes, that's right. Wow. See? How great is that?

Starting point is 00:49:03 It's amazing. If they even thought it up, I think if you're chilling around that long, you got somebody's going to blow smoke and somebody's ass. You think so? Yeah. Yeah, dude, you get people around. So like how many thousands of years does it take an evolutionary process for someone to say, okay, we've reached this point in civilization where somebody's got to blow smoke up someone

Starting point is 00:49:23 else's ass? Is that before or after the wheel? Okay, we've reached this point in civilization where somebody's got to blow smoke up someone else's ass. Is that before or after the wheel? Because they never figured out the wheel. Look, I think it's four years. Somebody's blowing smoke in his life. Really, it's quick. It's quick. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:49:36 I mean, I don't know. It'd be interesting to see how the first things happen like that. How are the pyramids built? I don't know, people talk about it a lot, you know. People don't know. We don't know. How is that? And I'm not, by the way, suggesting any theory. Yeah, no. Well, look, I think, but how do we not know that? And why doesn't that make all of us humble? Like, if we don't know how they built the pyramids three or four thousand or actually, we don't know when the pyramids were built

Starting point is 00:49:58 to be totally honest. Yeah. If we don't know that, then we don't know shit, right? Oh yeah, I think so. So much to just say that. Yeah. Why don't we just say we don't know shit? Yes, yeah. All wisdom begins with acknowledging what you don't know. And anyone who tells you, I know the answer

Starting point is 00:50:16 is about to lead you into say, we're with the wrong. Something equally crazy. Take the facts, you know what I mean? Like that's a lie. So you never trust anybody who claims to have it all figured out because he's lying to you. Well, do you think that one of our political parties thinks that they have it all figured out more than the other?

Starting point is 00:50:35 I think they both do. I mean, I think politicians by their nature have to are unwilling. By the way, everyone's gonna allow you get somebody who shows up and starts to tell a portion of the truth and everyone loves him And then he's always invariably accused of Someone had taken out They're like anonymous charges. He was to be in 1985. I can't tell you my name, but it happened

Starting point is 00:50:59 They just did this to Russell Brand. Yeah, there's always somebody. Yeah, they'll come out with anybody for yeah But or nobody in his case. I don't think they put a name to any of the four people who are accusing of sexual assault. I'm not shocked. Well, now there's bot. They can even, I mean, there's bots writing articles now. I read an article the other day about my parents.

Starting point is 00:51:16 I'd never heard of either the two people in the article. Are you sure? Yeah, it was a bot article. It was a bot, have you done 23 in me? I'm very ashamed. You're positive. Okay. I'm pretty, I mean, yeah, you're right. Cause you don't know, dude. Yeah. That's a bot article. It was a botted. Have you done 23 in me? I'm very sure you're positive. Okay. I'm pretty, I mean, yeah, you're right.

Starting point is 00:51:26 Cause you don't know, dude. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, maybe I'm angry at the wrong woman. Exactly. That's a good point. You're telling your shrink about the wrong mom.

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Starting point is 00:55:19 No, it's a fair question. I mean, how do you make sense of the world if you don't believe what people are telling you about the world? Right. How can you make rational decisions if you can't be certain that the input is accurate? I can't really answer that. I know what I do, which is I don't read any time to the Washington.

Starting point is 00:55:39 I don't want that in my head, you know, the Washington Post or NBC News. Are there liars? I know there are liars I've written for all three of those. I know that they lie, so I don't get anywhere near it. When you say they lie, does that mean like you write an article and you give it to your publisher, your producer? And then they say no and they change it? Or what do you know?

Starting point is 00:56:00 No, it means they don't assign stories on things they want to ignore. I see. And where do they get those orders from? It's all by instinct. So their job is to protect the people who are in charge. It's to protect the people who have power currently. The point of journalism is to challenge the people of power on behalf of the rest of the country.

Starting point is 00:56:18 Right. And they've inverted the formula. Yes. So if you work for the Washington Post, the idea is just protect Jeff Bezos and his friends at all cost. And so if you work for the Washington Post, the idea is just protect George Jeff Bezos and his friends at all cost, and that's what they do. So, but I'll tell you a way that I, I think it's a good start to figuring out what's true,

Starting point is 00:56:35 is watch what they become hysterical about. You'll see somebody occasionally say something and people just land on him. She, you shut up, shut up. Let's put him in jail. Whatever that guy is saying is true. Or it points in the direction of the truth. Right.

Starting point is 00:56:51 When someone says something that's like legit and say no one's mad at this, gets a friend of come the bus. You know, who's talking about whatever, the earth is flatter, wizard people, which by the way, maybe true. I don't even know fucking. Yeah, fuck it.

Starting point is 00:57:03 Duh, duh, goose on a, yeah. Totally nobody cares because he's not a threat to anyone because he's insane. Yeah. Insane people are not a threat to the existing order because they're crazy, they're self-discrediting. But when they become hysterical about somebody and they're like, he's a conspiracy theorist without even refuting what he told you, then you know he's

Starting point is 00:57:22 on to something. I mean, a hurt dog barks, right? When you have an infection, someone touches nearly an infection in a heart, what does that tell you? You have an infection. Yeah. Oh, I see what you're saying. Well, do you think that's one of the reasons

Starting point is 00:57:33 why Bobby Kennedy was looked at it so crazy? 1%! Yeah. And what's so funny, as I said, I saw him, very recently the other night, and I said to him, and I saw him, I sort of follow it. I'm just interested in the reaction to Bobby Kennedy. And remember, they attacked him as a craze

Starting point is 00:57:50 conspiracy nut because of the vaccines. And he said there may be a connection between the vaccines and autism. Like, shut up! And they literally canceled his contract with the New York Times. He had a contract to write for them. They canceled it.

Starting point is 00:58:02 Wow. And they just basically drummed a amount of playt society. They don't talk too much about that anymore, right? But the vaccine stuff, because I think there is this recognition, and by the way, I'm not an expert, but that actually a lot of people were hurt. A lot of people were hurt, not just with the most recent round of mandatory Vax, but in earlier rounds. Now you could argue it was worth it.

Starting point is 00:58:21 You know, we have a flu vaccine. It academically supposedly prevents the flu, so maybe we get it, and some people get hurt, but they were telling us for years, nobody gets hurt. Well, that's just a lie. And yeah, people get hurt all the time. They get hurt all the time. Yeah, I mean, a lot of vaccines.

Starting point is 00:58:34 It's like even the polio vaccine, I recite this a lot, but they tested the polio vaccine in our hometown where I'm from. They had a primate testing facility there. And, are you serious? Yeah, and that's where they tested the polio vaccine. You grew up in a town had a primate testing facility there. And, um, Are you serious? Yeah. And that's where they tested the pulley of accident. You grew up in a town with a primate testing facility?

Starting point is 00:58:48 Yeah. What town? Tulane National Primate Research Center. That's gotta be the most depressing place in the world. Is it in New Orleans? It's outside of New Orleans. No, no, no. This is outside of New Orleans.

Starting point is 00:59:00 Yeah, they don't allow that in Audubon Park. They don't allow that in auto-bond park. But in our town, this is where they made it at, but that vaccine gave cervical cancer to tons of women. And they knew it when they put it out, but they'd already ordered it. They're like, well, fuck it. We already paid for it. Right. So exactly. But so I think that it's bad to lie. Right. And it's especially bad to lie at scale. Like if I lie to you about something and, you know, but if I'm lying to 350 million people, that's a crime, and they've done it.

Starting point is 00:59:32 And the problem is at this point, it's like, I mean, I would go to a surgeon, you know, because that's a pretty straightforward operation. I've got a knife, I'm gonna take this thing out or sew this up or whatever, but I don't think I would go to a doctor for, well, we're gonna try this drug. It's like, maybe I would.

Starting point is 00:59:47 I mean, I don't know. Yeah. I haven't had to make that choice thankfully, but I would be hesitant because I don't trust them. Cause they lied. They got caught lying and they never admitted it. That's part of it. There's never any resolution.

Starting point is 01:00:00 There's never any affirmation to your questioning and even if you were right, there's never any about-face acknowledgment. But can't get better. If you get in a fight with your girl, okay, and one of you behaves horribly, one of you's on say, okay, and then says something outrageous. And you wanna continue the relationship.

Starting point is 01:00:20 There has to come a point where you're like, you know, I really was an asshole, and I'm sorry. And I love you, and I'm sorry I did that. Right. And only when you do that can it get better. It cannot be healed before you do that. It doesn't work. And that's true with public trust as well.

Starting point is 01:00:32 And that's where we've gotten. It's gotten to the point. But I don't understand why they can't admit it. Like, I've been wrong about a ton of things. I agree. And I feel so much better when I admit it and stop pretending that I'm omniscient. I don't know everything.

Starting point is 01:00:42 And that's okay. Why can't they do that? Why can't Foward should just be like, wow, you know, I told you this in good faith, I was wrong and I'm omniscient, I don't know everything. And that's okay. Why can't they do that? Why can't Fowd she just be like, wow, you know, I told you this in good faith, I was wrong and I'm sorry. He would do more for people's trust in science if he did, he's totally incapable of that because he's a freaking sociopath, dangerous human being. He's a shitty pitcher, too.

Starting point is 01:00:57 You see that? Quite a shitty pitcher. And I say that as a shitty pitcher, but even I, he's got little dwarf arms, but still. It's okay, man. Look at this. Let's show this shit, bro. God, get fucked. That dude is. We've got a mask on outside. Dude, that guy's got fucking, but it's so prime of fascia retarded.

Starting point is 01:01:21 It's like there's a dwarf on the field with a mask on it outside, Prima-phacia retarded. It's like there's a dwarf on the field with a mask on it. Well outside Throwing it at the back boy Like this is not a real country if that guy's running it. Yes. This is joke. First of all the bad boys 11 So he's Let's call out. He's flirting with a child. Let's call it Freak now half of America needs a Tommy John surgery in their heart Because it is dude my Ocar ditis right. And there I am with a fucking slider boy. Well, you don't even dick around.

Starting point is 01:01:48 Do you? Is that you? I've done some things, but no, not on this. Where is that? That was St. Louis. But actually I got to throw it out for the diamond backs. That's why I'm wearing this jersey. How nervous were you?

Starting point is 01:02:02 I was pretty nervous, I guess. It suddenly makes you feel like how old you are. You're like, fuck, I'm getting old. How old were you? I'm 40, oh, I was 41. I'm 43, but I was like, oh shit. 43 is pretty old. Yeah, it feels old sometimes.

Starting point is 01:02:15 Actually, does it feel old? No, it just feels old when you're running upstairs. Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm talking about, I'm 54, yeah. I can't believe that. I always run upstairs. I always run upstairs just because. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:02:30 Yeah, you're like, I'll show them. 100%. I've always been. And I'm with my wife who's very fit, like next level fit. Crazy. And she doesn't even, she'll just be prattling on running upstairs. Doesn't even, she does, huh? She's whimsical.

Starting point is 01:02:43 I know she's whimsical. She's just got like crazy cardio. Oh God. Cause she never stopped doing it. You know, like when you're a kid that makes you do physical fitness and then I took about 40 years off for cigarettes and stuff. And she didn't.

Starting point is 01:02:56 So yeah, pays off, it turns out. Who, when was your first cigarette do you remember it? Yeah, I remember it really well. Yeah. It was delicious. And my father smoked and was very, Do you remember it? Yeah, I remember it really well. Yeah. It was delicious. And my father smoked and he smoked on Filters cigarettes called Palmails. We called them Palmails.

Starting point is 01:03:11 Oh, yeah. Palmalls, but they were extra long, flavored with licorice. I think made by the American tobacco company. Great cigarette. In a red pack. And we had many. So that's, I don't even know if there's a picture of the, he smoked right there, right there, one down, that right there. That's the cigarette of my childhood. He picked him up

Starting point is 01:03:30 in the Marine Corps when he was 17. I guess they came in his K-Rash in hand. That was the cigarette of my childhood and there was always one smoldering in an ash train or kitchen and everywhere else. Anyway, but I was, I was like romantic. Little, I was against it. And my father really loved cigarettes. And he wasn't embarrassed of it. It wasn't like, I smoke, but I feel bad about it. He was like, no, and I smoke on filters because you feel stripping when you're done. There's no filter.

Starting point is 01:03:57 You smoke them backwards so the enemy doesn't know. It's an American cigarette. You burn the logo off the paper. Yeah, he really liked cigarettes. And he felt sorry for people who didn't smoke. So I was like maybe 13. I was in eighth grade when I started and it was totally, I worry you were you out with the boys and you was at the house and you said it was at school. It was at school. Smoked one at school. Oh yeah. It was allowed actually.

Starting point is 01:04:23 It was so pretty freaky with a teacher. I know, it sounds like it was in the 18th. I was romantic, I think. It was romantic. It was great. Just a sneak, it sounds like espionage. No, no, no, it was totally open. You could smoke at school.

Starting point is 01:04:35 I could smoke at school through a senior year of high school. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You could smoke as a child at school. Oh yeah, I had parental permission, yeah. Really? I shouldn't be saying this. It's, you know, it's so funny. People would be like, yeah, I had parental permission, yeah. Really? I shouldn't be saying this. It's

Starting point is 01:04:45 it's so funny. People would be like, yeah, I did. I wascker DMT and everyone's like, it's so cool. It's like, yeah, I smoked a cigarette. What? You're a criminal. But, you know, I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't say smoking is a great long term play. Yeah, I don't think that it is. It where I quit when I was 45 because I felt like I probably should. It'll probably get me anyway, but I did enjoy it. I really did. I never had a bad one. You know? There are no bad cigarettes. You're not like, oh, this is disgusting. I never felt that way at all. I've had bad fig newtons. You can scrub almost any consumer product, but a cigarette is remarkably consistent,

Starting point is 01:05:26 and it gives you what it promises you. The payoff is always there. That's a good point. Yeah. The payoff is always there. You know, especially that first fucking drag of the beach. And the morning.

Starting point is 01:05:36 And the morning. You know what I loved was they had a man in our area. And it was actually my grandmother was married to a man and he would light his cigarette and he would let us inhale the lit smoke up our nose and we're really young Louisiana's the best, isn't it? God, it was fucking good. I think it's got the highest smoking rate of any state. You know what Louisiana does have?

Starting point is 01:06:01 It has the most people that are born there that die there that never leave there. A belief. It's a cool place. That's dangerous. It's not like every other place, actually. You know what Louisiana does have? It has the most people that are born there that die there that never leave there a Belief it's a cool place. It's not like every other place actually. Oh, dude. It is Yeah, I always say like New Orleans. It's a good place to get oysters and murdered Yeah, you get murdered and oysters Yeah, the thing about Louisiana never gets credit for everyone talks about diversity in the melting pot like Louisiana Actually was that long before most places. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:06:26 It was, you had a bunch of different cultures there. And they kind of got along, you know, sort of, anyway. He still got a good mix down there. Yeah. We had an area bus called Chafonkda. That was the river and it was named after the Chafonkda Indians. Chafonkda? Yep.

Starting point is 01:06:42 Is that like the Fagawi tribe? I'm not sure. That's not a real name. That cannot be a real name. It's a real name. TCHGF. Shafunkta. Yep. Yeah, chiff.

Starting point is 01:06:50 It does sound like it's a joke, right? It does sound like it's a joke, right? It sounds like a play on words. Yeah, it does. Well, here's how they got the name. A long time ago, a Native American through a big rock into the river. And that's the sound when it made, when it went in. Oh, that's so cool.

Starting point is 01:07:09 Is that true? Yeah, true story. It's a pretty fascinating. But that right there is a perfect example that Louisiana to me is that it's a place for great storytelling. It's a great place for kind of family. Yep.

Starting point is 01:07:23 So that's one story I like to tell about that. People have dinners with their families there. People have 90 minute lunch breaks. People wake up, get to breakfast, and then do two or three things before they go to lunch. I love that. Yeah, it was part, that's how life was. It was him.

Starting point is 01:07:38 It wasn't all about efficiency. No, it wasn't. So if your life is all about efficiency and every moment is being monitored and counts towards something, then you're not really human. You're a machine at that point, aren't you? I mean, you're a cog in a larger machine. And that's what I think a lot of people feel like these days.

Starting point is 01:07:53 Well, and for good reason, there's some check on the internet. It's a 22 year old experiencing life in the corporate world for the first time. And she does this video like, this is terrible. I don't make any money and they treat me like shit and treat me like, you know, I'm not worth anything, I'm not human and everyone's like, shut up and work, honey. And I watch this and I'm like, no, no, I hope you win. I hope you win. I hope you, the seeds of revolution are sprouting in my heart.

Starting point is 01:08:21 I just so hate that culture. Oh yeah, what? The treats, like they're not people. Like for what? Yeah. Well, I mean, I think for some people, in my own sense, learning to be a boss and leader has been tough, is because I never, you know, I just started out wanting to be a comedian.

Starting point is 01:08:39 I wanted to sleep in, and master bait and go, a lot, be chatting. I didn't get crazy with it. I didn't like, yeah, I was kind of... Not compulsive, for anything. No, no, I was in organized. Okay, just... Yeah, just good.

Starting point is 01:08:53 Okay, that's fair. Yeah, one off kind of guy. Yeah, kind of like when they play the trumpet in the morning. You never got greedy though, you never went back to that. Never went out greedy. Yeah, I was like, that's it. Yeah, but so I think learning to do that personally has been a little, it's been a journey for me, but yeah, I think with companies, it's like, that's it. Yeah, but so I think learning to do that personally has been a little, it's been a journey for me.

Starting point is 01:09:06 But yeah, I think with companies, it's like, how do we get away from that? And is it just, sometimes I think America was just this Christian experiment that got compromised and is turned out poorly? You think? I think you're onto something, man. And I hate to say that because a part of me

Starting point is 01:09:23 doesn't really want to admit it. What's obviously true? It's obviously true. I mean, you can't have a democracy unless, it's a voluntary system. People have to show a lot of restraint, they have to be all in, there has to be some sense of the common good.

Starting point is 01:09:36 You can't just be like, how much can I grab? It's like Halloween, it doesn't work. If all the kids just empty the basket on the front steps, you know, in the first wave of trick or or treat, or so it's true though. Now you're right. And a democracy is very much the same way because you can take power and then just like steal everybody's money legally. And so you really have to have some boundaries that you impose on yourself.

Starting point is 01:10:00 And that has to come from within. You have to have the sense that someone more powerful, like I use the word, but God is watching. And if you don't have that, then it just descends into greed and selfishness, which is where we are now. Have we let, because do you think America's still a Christian nation? No, no. What is it?

Starting point is 01:10:20 It's an LLC, as you said. So, really? Actually, again, I'm just wondering. We've been privatized communism, it feels like to me. You know? It gets exactly right. I mean, I don't know what's for the free market. Everyone's for using power to hobble their competitors.

Starting point is 01:10:35 You know, everyone's into, and the other reason we have regulations is to create monopolies. The system is completely rigged, and you know that. You're asking how do you get reliable information about the news. The news media want to talk about race. That's like the remaining thing that they want to talk about. Black, white, Hispanic, Asian. But that's actually not an interesting conversation because you can't change your race and like people

Starting point is 01:10:57 are different races and they're sort of different. But they're also very much the same. It's like not that interesting a topic. To me personally, I'm not interested in talking about race. What's really interesting is that the United States for America is being looted by a small number of people who are getting away with it and they don't want to talk about that. They never want to talk about economics. They're more to talk about the tax code. They never want to talk about any of that stuff ever. And that's how you know that CNBC and CNN and the New York Times, the only people who were looking out for you

Starting point is 01:11:25 are actually just a Victorian guard standing in front of the people with the most power and money and keeping the masses from asking uncomfortable questions. And so whenever anyone asks about like, well, wait a second, why do we tax people at half the rate for investing that we do for working? Literally, they pay half the tax rate. So you have a job and you work every day and you pay one rate,

Starting point is 01:11:49 but if you just stay home and invest money and live off the interest, you pay half as much. So are we saying it's twice as virtuous to invest as it is to work? Oh, I see. Is that what we're saying? So if you're a day trader or just trading stocks or something, you don't have to pay as much. Or if you're a private equity guy and you can claim

Starting point is 01:12:04 that your income is actually investment is interest on your investments, you pay half the taxes. So we have a tax code that discourages work and encourages parasitic behavior. Now, there are arguments on both sides and I'm not an economist, but you don't even hear those arguments

Starting point is 01:12:23 because it's like shut up racism, trainees or whatever. It's all a distraction from what the real story is, which is the looting the country. And at this point, we can't repay the death of the wheel. So it's going to be like, well, unfortunately, we had to sell Yellowstone. And no, I mean, it's going to get to the point where we're all sold to Asians. No, no, for real. Yeah. Where we're, I mean, what? And then to the point where we're always able to to Asians now. No, no, for real. Yeah. Where we're, I mean, what? And then they're gonna say the sale was racist too. That's gonna be the craziest part.

Starting point is 01:12:49 You're asking questions about it is racist. Okay. Yeah, yeah. You're always the race, just to be clear. You're always the racist. Louisiana man. He wasn't David Duke for Louisiana. Shut up, clansmen.

Starting point is 01:13:00 Yeah, he's the lift way to it, David Duke. Okay, in prison? No. I can see you guys in the yard. Ari, all the area nation guys. He's like, on your back, as you're doing push-ups. Well, I was never in any area nation, dude, you know? Not even in prison.

Starting point is 01:13:15 No, I never even went to any of their meetings or anything. I saw pamphlets or whatever, but I never pulled up over there. But yeah, we shared a back fence and he used to date this hot girl that worked at a seafood restaurant that I worked at. So he'd pop in there and I'd watch him eat shrimp or whatever. But what was the seafood restaurant? It was called Morton's Seafood. In Madisonville right on the river, it worked over there.

Starting point is 01:13:40 Baby and I was a bus boy and they used to have raccoons coming out the wall when they'd cooked duck. The boarding was bad on the wall and it'd r it out and they'd let one of us bus boys get there with a With a broomstick we'd have to stand there and beat the raccoons back in their ferocious animals. Well, they love duck of course So do and pizza. Oh really? Oh, yeah, oh wow. You call them trash pandas where I live and you see them outside on the trash cans Oh, yeah, and they love pizza. I like pizza. Oh, yeah, unfortunately, and oh, yeah, you have pizza and you see him outside in the trash cans. Oh yeah. And they love pizza, I like pizza. Oh yeah, unfortunately. And oh yeah, you have pizza and you, you know, I'll leave the coin. Yeah, they go crazy.

Starting point is 01:14:09 I'd love to see. Now that would be a good day, Portonoy thing where he gives up. He does one bite to a, hit a coin with a bite, you know. But if you were seen a recune, you never gave him any ductage. Oh, I pulled up on him and they're always like, this would be it.

Starting point is 01:14:21 Yeah, right, right, right. We didn't do. I'm the total. The gayest one is the one in the recycling band. He's always like this. We didn't do it. We didn't do it. We didn't do it. Of the total. The gayest one is the one in the recycling bin. He's always like, we, you know, at least the other ones are in the trash. There's always that one that kind of wanders up the recycle bin and he's wearing like a negligent

Starting point is 01:14:35 your mom or something like, what the fuck is that one been doing, you know? But yeah, they always are like plead innocent or whatever. No, they do. They're so clever. I love them. Oh, they're crafty. innocent or whatever. No, they do. They're so clever. I love them. Oh, they're crafty. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:14:48 I've never shot one. I've seen them so many times in the woods. There they are. Yeah, they love dog food. Yeah. That's kind of a mean G1. I've seen we have big ones where I live. Yeah, I grew up running a lot of rabies.

Starting point is 01:15:00 So in the moment, we'd come down the street. We'd all have to go inside. Do a lot of people have rabies where you grew up? Yeah, I would say it was, well, there was a big scare of it. When was rabies popular? Can you look that up please? When was rabies popular? Oh, and I was a kid.

Starting point is 01:15:13 It was a big thing. Get out the street, you know. There's a sick raccoon or, and, um, but when they got cars and electricity and stuff, they fixed all that. I mean, they just, it wasn't as big of a thing. But, um, but yeah, David Duke, man, we go to the gym sometimes and I'll say this, nice guy.

Starting point is 01:15:30 Yeah, I never met him. Nice guy, you know, he never, you know, we just did chest and troughs or whatever. There was never any racial things or whatever, you know, but he was a very fit man, I don't know. I'm never met him, but I will say this and I'm not saying he's a fed though, he's obviously a fed, but every time I would get a new show, I don't know anything about David Duke.

Starting point is 01:15:50 I'm from La Jolla, California. He wasn't quite as popular there. Yeah, because I'm not another picture without you. But every time I get a new show, there would be some news story. David Duke endorses Tucker Girls. I don't know why you and I don't know you? I don't know anything about you.

Starting point is 01:16:06 I'm from LaHoya. Okay, we don't share a common culture. I'm from Mitt Romney country. Yeah, exactly 100%. Literally Mitt Romney goes to LaHoya. This is a comedy store. I used comedy store LaHoya is one of my favorite favorite comedy club in the whole country.

Starting point is 01:16:19 Been there a long time. It's the best club. It's a child. Really? Up in the village. Yeah. In fact, there was a jack in the box next door that I used to ride my bike to Um, I remember that Jack. It wasn't it was maybe disappeared a few years ago if it did or they close it down for a while because they had caught selling kangaroo meat. Oh

Starting point is 01:16:35 Yeah, and I don't I don't know if that story was actually true, but that's what everyone in the town thought. I mean look if you can get a Fucking couple grams of room and low oil. I don't rubers. That's what we call them. That's so funny. I mean, look, if you can get a fucking couple grams of rou and loooy, I mean. I told rou burgers, that's what we call them. That's so funny. And if you took a close look at the meat, it was gray and kind of gristly. And it was not beef. I mean, I, and I think the company was owned

Starting point is 01:16:55 by Ralston Purina at one point. Oh yeah. And they're out of, I believe they're out of lose. Are they? I think. Yeah, I know they're out of the Midwest. But yeah, I loved it over there. You had always here, I loved La Jolla.

Starting point is 01:17:07 It's a beautiful area. But they weren't big on racism there when I was a kid. Yeah, I don't know, yeah, I don't know if they hit, well, it's mostly white there. Well, that's why they're not big on racism. Right. Yeah. Like people are expecting and we can't do it.

Starting point is 01:17:20 No, it was like rich white people. Oh, yeah, yeah. You rich white people. Oh, yeah, no, it seemed like rich people. Yeah, for sure. It's like, yeah, you Oh yeah, yeah. Rich white people. Oh yeah, no, it seemed like rich people. Yeah, for sure. It's like, yeah. You feel rich even when you're driving by. Or you feel like people want you to leave, I feel like.

Starting point is 01:17:31 It's beautiful there. Yeah, it's really pretty. It's very beautiful. Sad though, solos. Is it? Yes. Yeah, no soul at all. No one had a last name.

Starting point is 01:17:41 I mean, it was obviously it's one of the prettiest places in the world. Yeah. But yeah, it was, you know, high-end Bob, I'm a Sagittarius. Like nobody had a real connection to anyone else, everyone was just kind of passing through. And the first time I went to New Orleans, which is obviously a disgusting place, but I loved it because it was so, it was just so thick, it was just so much there. And all these weird rituals and customs, there's had a culture and I just didn't grew up

Starting point is 01:18:05 around that at all. And even though I didn't understand what they were doing in New Orleans, and obviously I was very threatened by it because it happened with a two lane. Half the town is a violent criminal, right? But I still liked it. Because I thought this is interesting in a way

Starting point is 01:18:19 that nothing I grew up with was interesting at all. I could totally see that. Yeah, I think I grew up in a place that was just so, you know, it was just, there was so much lore and stuff in our area that, and I think that's just a lot of the way that Louisiana was. Amos Moses.

Starting point is 01:18:35 Is it from Louisiana? I don't know, but I love that song. But you just picture, you know, wrestling algators in the swamp, and where I grew up, people literally talked about the weather every single day, every day, and the weather never changed. It wasn't like we lived in Minnesota or something. It's very true in the show there in the whole. It's unbelievable. Well, it's going to be 72 and partly cloudy, moving to mostly sunny

Starting point is 01:18:56 in the afternoon. It's going to be 68 overnight tomorrow. And then it would just be on endless repeat. It was a skipping record. Did you hate that about yourself, that like, was there any self like load? Because like I hated myself because I was so poor. Right? But does that happen on the other end of the spectrum? Or and I hated my neighborhood, I just felt embarrassed, right? Like, does that happen on the other end of the spectrum

Starting point is 01:19:21 where people, no, not enough. There should be a lot more self hatred in rich neighborhoods, I think. And I hate to say self hatred, sorry. I was not enough. There should be a lot more self hatred in rich neighborhoods. And I hate to say self hatred, sorry. I was ashamed of myself. That's a better way to say it. There should be more shame. There should be more shame.

Starting point is 01:19:31 Like if you've amassed $100 million from sucking the last remaining life blood out of some manufacturing company in the Midwest, calling it private equity, like you should hate yourself a little bit. You know what I mean? And there's none of that. And I think that's part of the problem.

Starting point is 01:19:48 There's not enough guilt among the ruling class. There's no sense of obligation of people beneath them. And that's one of the reasons they hate them so much. So that's one of the reasons that the fentanyl crisis has not even been acknowledged by Washington is because they kind of know they're responsible for it. And you wind up hating the people you've wronged. I have noticed.

Starting point is 01:20:07 Equity mean that you might want to pay. If you commit a sin against somebody, if you're cruel to somebody, unfair to somebody, you cheat somebody, you wind up hating that person as a way of justifying what you did. And the only way to stop that is by admitting what you did, saying it out loud to the person's face and asking for his forgiveness, which again is why, it's one of the 12 step model works, right? But if you don't do that,

Starting point is 01:20:29 you wind up blaming the person for the crime that you committed against him. And that's one of the reasons that people who don't get sober are so angry at the world. They're pissed at their parents. You meet these people, their parents send them to rehab six times, and they're pissed at their parents. Why are you mad at your parents?

Starting point is 01:20:44 They did everything they could. And the reason that junk're pissed at their parents. Why are you mad at your parents? They did everything they could. And the reason that junkies mad at his parents is because he knows that he's actually the guilty party and he's committed massive crimes against them but he can't admit it so he blames them. And that is true at a macro level as well. And if you're ruling class of all the richest people have gotten rich by dicking over the people beneath them, running these fascist companies that spy on their employees' phone calls and like

Starting point is 01:21:10 track them as they come in and out of the building and require them to work on Sundays with no overtime. And just really inhumane sweatshop type practices, creepy stossy stuff, those people end up having great contempt for their own employees. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, well, I think it's one of the spaces we're getting to right now in the country, as people, if you're an owner of something,

Starting point is 01:21:30 if you are a, well, you know what's interesting is, when you say that, I recently met a guy who was a Democrat, right, he's like a devout Democrat, right? And he said to me, this was interesting, I never heard this. He said, you know, I vote for Democrats because I want there to be programs in place to keep the people that are struggling. I want to keep them, I want to satiate them just enough so they don't rebel.

Starting point is 01:22:00 They don't have power. Right. And I'd never heard that. I don't wait out. I don't. Yeah, he said that to me. And I was like, that's so, I never heard that before. You're sure we're weed, here's your porn. Just don't make a mess. I just don't make a mess so that the rest of us who don't, who aren't as unfortunate as you, can still operate like we operate. Okay.

Starting point is 01:22:21 So at blue, I just never heard that perspective. Was this on camera? No, this was just in a human conversation. It's two humans eating, uh, an inhuman conversation, really. And he would be like, what? Yeah, I had a salad. I don't know what he had.

Starting point is 01:22:32 And we had lunch. He, the blood of children probably, I would say, he was. He was. He had a, oh, negative. Yeah, junior. Yeah. I mean, that is so dark, but it's so true.

Starting point is 01:22:43 And by the way, bless him for his honesty, because that is exactly what's going on. And that's not how you treat your own kids or people you love. Right. You'd never say, I'm gonna keep you on just enough assistance that you cannot starve to death, but that you'll be like so harried

Starting point is 01:22:58 by the shittiness of your existence that you'll never challenge my power. Like, that is a crime. I've never heard that. I've never heard that. Well, to me as an American value, that was like, oh, that's never a way that I ever would thought or think. No, because you encourage self-sufficiency, because that's where self-respect comes from.

Starting point is 01:23:15 I've got my shit in a pile, and I'm proud of myself. That's the goal for an adult man. And if you're preventing people from getting to that, then you are committing a crime, and you should be held accountable for it, in my opinion. But there's nobody to hold anybody accountable anymore. It feels like. Well, I'm very aware of that.

Starting point is 01:23:31 Yeah, sorry. Everyone's in on it. Well, it's just so interesting. But how do we get out of it then? By saying the truth out loud, I think that's the only recourse. I think that's more powerful than guns. I mean, I do.

Starting point is 01:23:43 Saying truth, I mean, that's what they get hysterical about. Right, you just saying it. You're just saying it. And they'll be three days. We need to take all our guns away. They're not gonna take your guns away. Okay, because they can't, but that's not their priority. But when somebody says something that's true,

Starting point is 01:23:56 I mean, they will disappear a person for that. Like, you'll never hear from them again. And there's a reason. And the reason is, nothing is a greater threat to the people running things than true words. And that's what it's like about Kanye, you mean? I'm not talking about what Kanye was disappeared. Yeah. I mean, and my view of Kanye would be, you know, if you show up on Alex Jones in a hockey mask saying you love Hitler, you're probably not really a threat to anybody. Yeah, yeah, actually.

Starting point is 01:24:25 I mean, really a lot of people are gonna watch Kanye being like, I love Hitler and be like, wow, I love Hitler too. Yeah, yeah, no, no. Oh, you might be able to walk on with the devil rays, maybe, you know. No, no, no, I'm just saying like, that wasn't, if you actually wanted to promote Hitler and I hope no one would ever want to promote Hitler,

Starting point is 01:24:42 but like if you did, that would not be the way to do it. Right? So actually, how is Kanye a threat to anybody? I don't think he was. He was, yeah. And by the way, he's a recording artist, he's a musician, so like, in a clothing designer, he's not in charge of federal policy.

Starting point is 01:25:00 So I did think, yeah, I thought that was distressing. Just because I don't think anybody should be silenced If you're not committing violence against somebody you have the right as a human being because you are not a slave You were a human being you have the right to say what you think that is that is a foundational right And if you don't have the right to say what you think then you're not a human being you're a slave like that's the acid test Am I a slave or not? I don't know one simple question Can you say what you really think and if you can't then you're a slave. Like, that's the acid test. Am I a slave or not? I don't know, one simple question. Can you say what you really think? And if you can't, then you're a slave.

Starting point is 01:25:29 Super simple. Well, now it feels like they, oh, it used to feel like you could write what you think, but now it feels like the paper is owned, right? Yeah. So they can, like even with AI coming out, it's like they could even adjust what you write. So you don't even fucking have a value

Starting point is 01:25:44 to write anything anymore. It's like, hey, just put you write. So you don't even fucking have a value to write anything anymore. It's like, hey, just put in kind of how you feel, we'll write what you're saying. Like it's getting to that, you know what I'm saying? It almost starts to, you know. It could be two years from that, where it's like, I've been a writer on my life and to see now machines doing that

Starting point is 01:26:01 and actually doing a fairly, you know, serviceable job. I mean, writing poetry and screen doing a fairly, you know, serviceable job. I mean, writing poetry and screenplays and like... Yeah, giving me a fake father. I know. What, but upgrade or no? A little younger than my dad, but I don't know. That guy seemed a little bit devious.

Starting point is 01:26:16 My father seemed a little happier than him. Fair. I'm a little bit real fast. You know what? You're gonna urinate? Yeah. They're right. Like a race horse, my brother. You ever owned a horse? Never owned a horse. I'm a do it real fast. You're gonna urinate? Yeah. You alright? Like a race horse, my brother. You ever owned a horse?

Starting point is 01:26:27 Never owned a horse. I'm a dog guy. Really? You ever bet on dog? You ever put one in at the track? Honestly? Yes. I have.

Starting point is 01:26:35 In Florida. In fact, in Florida in the 80s. Now or again. And that dog track has now been closed. And I love dogs. And I've always loved dogs. And it's the one in Miami that's near the airport. The dog track has now been closed and I love dogs and I've always loved dogs. Yeah. And it's the one in Miami that's near the airport and it was the most depressing, inhumane,

Starting point is 01:26:50 like you just wanted to send money to PETA spending 20 minutes there. But I did go there. Yes, I had been drinking and probably other things and I did bet on the Greyhounds and I feel bad about it. Yeah, I do. You ever ridden on Greyhound? I've always been a sizeable man. They buck me off every time I try. Really? Yeah, wheel around and bite me. Yeah, it's hard to

Starting point is 01:27:13 saddle a Greyhound. No, I mean the bus service. Oh, sorry, sorry, I thought you meant the dogs. Oh, no. I spent a lot of time actually true story. Yeah. I had a girlfriend in high school, A lot of time I grew, actually true story. Yeah. I had a girlfriend in high school, but we went to different colleges. And she went to Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee. And I lived in New England,

Starting point is 01:27:33 which is a small, colder region. I don't know, we'll shepherd, have it air. Go on. And I took the bus. I took a Greyhound bus from Washington, D.C., where my parents lived, to Nashville, which is like 12 hours. Yeah. And then I took one back. And so this my parents lived, to Nashville, which is like 12 hours. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:27:45 And then I took one back. And so this bus was going on to New York City, and for some reason it was 100% Puerto Rican and me. And I was at the back of the bus, and it left it like midnight. Yeah. And I was drinking and smoking on the best of long go. This was 1987, I'll never forget it.

Starting point is 01:28:01 And I fall asleep because I'm so loaded. I'm taking a leak in the empty cans. You know, it's doing what you're doing. You're having a life, dude. And all of a sudden, I feel this wet, grainy thing on my face. And these people right there in the seat, right across the aisle, we're just like full coitus, just like playing couch ball. Just full blown, sound effects, everything.

Starting point is 01:28:22 And the guy was wearing socks. And one of the socks hit my face. And it was just moist and had a lot of gravel from the ground on it. And I remember thinking, this is the, I can't wait to get off this bus. It was dark. It was nothing erotic about it at all.

Starting point is 01:28:37 Oh, yeah. Right? I mean, I don't know. It depends on what you're thinking, you know, how you are at the time, I think. Well, I was drunk in a dead dead sleep and they're rolling around and she's making these animal noises. Like, they were not at all inhibited, which was kind of impressive in a way, but I felt

Starting point is 01:28:55 it was very much an intrusion into my space. Wow. Yeah, that's fair. Like, hey, is there any zoning over here? You're right. What? Yeah. Yeah. Do we have a town plan? You're right. What, yeah. Who do I have to be a town planner? That's a true story.

Starting point is 01:29:08 Oh, that's good. Oh, Greyhound's unbelievable. Dude, I'm a one time guy's on there, right, sitting by me. He goes, hey, yeah, there was a brother on there, and he goes, hey, you want to see something. And I thought it was going to be his wiener, right? Because I've been on the bus before.

Starting point is 01:29:23 And. But you said yes. Well well I was a two hour ride I was like I'll fuck it see it now you know I'm not gonna pretend you thought he could hold on the bottom Yeah, I thought so I get it I get it some wiener trick you know a great on wiener trick And I was like yeah, I'll see it you know and he had a bag of jewelry and a gun and he just robbed a jewelry store. Wow. And he had a bag of jewelry and a gun. No, I didn't buy anybody.

Starting point is 01:29:48 He wanted me to sit there and look at it and I put on a couple of necklaces or whatever. And- Did you act impressed? Oh, yeah. Cause I was scared. And they always give the guy, you know, once you get out of jail,

Starting point is 01:30:00 they give you a ticket on the fucking grave. But imagine you rob a jewelry store and your getaway vehicle is a gray house bus. You are retarded. If you're in there, you're like, we gotta get out here in seven hours. I bought the ticket.

Starting point is 01:30:16 Yeah. It's pretty cool. Dude, that was, yeah, I mean, I love riding gray. And I used to work on a farm up in Mississippi. And so I would take a gray house bus up there. And I would ride it up there and there was always people on there. It was the bathroom like,

Starting point is 01:30:29 and it was just on there. It was always closed, they said, you know. I was on one with, yeah, part of it was on fire. I was on one where a guy stopped to fucking meet his ex or something for like 20 minutes, and we all had a chill at an hop. No way. 100% dude, go to Greyhound bus, Twitter fee,

Starting point is 01:30:50 Greyhound bus help and look at their replies on there. Bro, welcome to America, bro. I love that. So it's just like every waffle house they stop at. Oh, it's just like, the bus supposed to leave at full 30s, 970 somebody like it's 970 Well, you have a bad watch it but like it's not in 72 people are pregnant It's just the list goes on man chances. I'd like the people on those buses 100%

Starting point is 01:31:24 But seriously all drivers love my bag to be stolen this trip. Where's customer service? Yeah, go back one. I got a video. Let me see that video on there. This is what I do at night. I go to Greyhound Bus, help Twitter feed,

Starting point is 01:31:36 and they'll show stuff. Yeah, little eight balls between the seats are different things. There's somebody find a gram down there between the seats. Did you ever do that? I never found any drugs on there. Oh, that might be somebody touching them.

Starting point is 01:31:48 Don't let that video finish, please. But I spent a lot of time on this, man. It's insane. Greyhound bus hell. It's called? Greyhound bus help. But yeah, they could change it. It would still work.

Starting point is 01:32:04 I'm gonna urinate real fast. All right. So sorry, I had a urinating. That's why I heard it. Yeah. Well, and it's okay. Strong stream. I'm a new one. Part was being little and just not being able to pee in there. And I grew up around. We had a lot of dudes and they would hold a lot of brothers back three or four years. So you'd have a big brother in there. And he'd pee with us, is, do Mr. Larry, right? Mr. Larry? Yeah, he was like, they'd held him back like seven times, right? So at that point, you got to respect him, you know?

Starting point is 01:32:31 100% And he would urinate over your back and just, just right into the urinal, dude. You'd be standing there peeing, right? You're like, just scared, kid. I'm not scared, it was the first time you had to go into the urinals as a kid. No. Oh, well, I grew up in a less threatening environment. Oh, you did?

Starting point is 01:32:46 Because there was no one doing piss rainbows over my shoulder. No. That was the thing that he was the fucking Gary Payton of piss on me. He would fucking shoot from deep. And so you'd literally be peeing. Imagine this and you can't pee. You're scared.

Starting point is 01:33:00 And then a fucking pee comes through this from above and goes perfectly in. That's so impressive. You just feel demoralized though. No, but I mean, the pounds per square inch just the velocity. You know what I mean? You think you'd almost need CO2.

Starting point is 01:33:15 Oh, you get that much power. Yeah, it was impressive, man. It's crazy what some men can do. You know, we're young men or adolescents. Yeah, there's not a lot of dribbling at that age. Yeah, yeah. Oh, there wasn't any dribb impressive, man. It's crazy what some men can do. You know, we're young men or adolescents. Yeah, there's not a lot of dribbling at that age. Yeah, yeah. Oh, there wasn't any dribbling, dude. No dribbling.

Starting point is 01:33:30 It was just shooting. And then the end is like, bam! Off! It's like the Bellagio fountain. It's like, when it's done, it's done. I do respect that. What, so what's your, what is news like around the world?

Starting point is 01:33:43 That's something I don't understand. So different, it's crazy. You don't realize that we live in this bizarre biosphere where you have no idea what's going on in the rest of the world. You have no idea how your perceived, the United States has perceived, and you have no idea really your place in the global order because we're cut off from the rest of the world

Starting point is 01:34:03 and we have these two extremely lame and relevant countries bordering us, but that's it. Mexico and Canada, no offense, I like them both, but nobody cares. But there are big, important countries around the world and they're very focused on the United States. They have always views about what we're doing and those views are never expressed here. So if you're a leader in the United States, you can be like, well, we're doing this for democracy. This is the arsenal of democracy. And then you go to the countries that are directly affected by those policies, and they're like, you're freaking insane.

Starting point is 01:34:33 You have no idea what you're talking about. I mean, the mindblower for me this summer, what we traveled all over the world, a bunch of different continents, and we're still doing it, because I got fired, so I've been stuck in a studio for all those years. So now you gotta get out and about. Well, kind of. I mean, I go I've been stuck in a studio for all those years. And they get to get out and about. Well, kind of. I mean, I go on vacation for two weeks a year, but that was it. You know, when you do it,

Starting point is 01:34:50 will you do a show regularly? It's your tied to where you are, period. You're in a studio. Yeah. So all of a sudden I'm like, wow, I'm kind of in free. I emancipated you for a few months and it was a summertime and anyway, so we wouldn't, but the shock for me was, and this is not a partisan point at

Starting point is 01:35:06 all, at all. And what does partisan mean? You mean it's like carrying water for a party. Like this is what Republicans think. Or so Democrats are not partisan means not. This is just why things are true. And like it doesn't matter what the either party says. Okay.

Starting point is 01:35:18 What does nonpartisan mean? It just means not partisan. It's not you're not connected to a party. You're not helping either party. Okay. But what I mean is both parties, public and Democrat, we're saying for a year and a half,

Starting point is 01:35:31 Ukraine is winning this war against Russia. Yeah, I remember hearing that. Oh, yeah, I mean, and I still think people believe that. So whatever you think of the war, Russia, Ukraine, I mean, I'm not that interested honestly because I'm not Russian or Ukrainian is the truth.

Starting point is 01:35:44 But lots of Americans seem to be interested, and they have their little Ukrainian flags, and they're learning to pronounce Kiev as Kiev, and they're doing all the steps that you need to do, repeating all the dumb slogans. Slava Ukraine, yeah, whatever Americans have, they have no idea where something is, but they're like, all of a sudden,

Starting point is 01:36:00 and now you see it now with the Middle East, but I'm an expert, you know, it's like the knock-buh. What? Stop. But anyway, but I'm an expert. You know, it's like the knock-buh. What? Stop. But anyway, but the article of faith for most Americans was that Ukraine is winning this war. So, I mean, I don't know how do I know. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:36:13 I'm stuck in a studio. So I go over to the region. It's two different countries up over Ukraine. Oh, you popped over there to Ukraine? No, no, I didn't go to Ukraine. I don't think I do well in Ukraine. No, they really? Well, the government of Ukraine is attacking by name a lot.

Starting point is 01:36:26 So I felt like that was unwise. Who's their master of their leader? Well, the president is a guy called Vladimir Zelensky. Oh, right, that's right. He's a fucking comedian. Yeah, but a very unfunny one. Yeah, do we have any videos of him doing stand-up comedy? He's got one where he's playing the piano with his dick.

Starting point is 01:36:45 I don't know if you can find that. Oh, really? Yeah. But yeah, and actually fairly well. Was it at a SIG app house? Where was that? It was in Ukraine somewhere. Oh, no way.

Starting point is 01:36:54 I think that's, yeah, it's a pretty common thing. Um, there. Oh, there he is playing piano with his penis. Yes. Is he really? Oh, yes. Oh, anybody can be president now. Well I don't know. Can you play the piano with your penis? Huh? Little bit of ball toven. Yep.

Starting point is 01:37:18 Kind of hacky, but it's cute though. That was good. I liked that. I said that just because I knew you'd like it. I love that. I wish I'd said that. But anyway, so whatever I do, I don't care about these guys in any way. But I go over there and I start talking and very knowledgeable people like the people who run these countries.

Starting point is 01:37:37 And they're like, what? No. Russia has 100 million more people than Ukraine, 100 million. And much deeper industrial capacity. They have all these weapons factories that you're not going to get into the largest country in the world by landmass. There's no literally no chance even theoretically Ukraine could beat them.

Starting point is 01:37:54 But aren't they an industrial old, aren't they, aren't they, like, you know, things made out of stone, aren't they? Like, really in the past with a lot of like tech not like, well, it turns out, I mean, there's a military advanced. Well, we always made fun of it, you know, during the Soviet period because it was super inefficient and they were all drunk and they would crash their commercial airliners all the time from drunkenness, all the time. In fact, a famous, their carrier, the international carrier, their national carrier is called

Starting point is 01:38:20 Arrow Flot, Russian carrier. Was the Soviet carrier? And in a very, very famous crash, the pilot had his son in the cockpit with passengers on the plane. And the cockpit voice recorder proved this. And the son just takes the yoke. It just pushes it down and flies the plane right into the ground.

Starting point is 01:38:39 So like people made fun correctly of Soviet technology, but it turns out they were actually pretty good at this. You know, they produced a lot of chess players, they're not stupid people at all. Another of the Ukrainians for that matter. But anyway, the point is the Russians were never going to lose, period. And anyone who looked at it objectively would know that except no one in the United States knew that. So that kind of freaked me out.

Starting point is 01:39:01 I'm like, we have a big country, smart country, very the most advanced country in the world supposedly. And nobody even knows a basic fact. It was really like, Russia has 100 million more people. Of course they're not gonna lose to Ukraine. Like that's insane. And yet nobody knew that. So I thought, wow, what else don't we know?

Starting point is 01:39:19 Yeah. And like to the amount of lying that you can do in a world where everything is controlled, all information is controlled with the exception pretty much of Twitter Because the guy owns it is that he's not gonna censor. Yeah, you learn it's nice I feel like that's one thing that I thought was that yeah, maybe that's it. That's what's about censorship is at least you feel like you can Say things Or that things can be shared on there. Because didn't do you feel, I mean,

Starting point is 01:39:47 as someone who writes comedy does this every day, do you feel freer on the platform now? On Twitter? Yeah. I feel like at least if YouTube takes me down. Oh, look at that. Comedy is legal on this platform. So Elon, like specifically endorsed, you're right to see it.

Starting point is 01:40:06 Yeah, it was nice of me. We had Roseanne Barron and she's a... I like her a lot. Oh, dude, she fucking did so much for comedy. She did so much for women and gays. And oh, wait, I saw a part of that. And they Hollywood threw under the fucking bus as soon as they had a chance because they're heartless and

Starting point is 01:40:26 And so anyway she was on my show and she Well, I saw that and they took tell me if I'm misremembering this they took a line that she had And they cut out all the context and put it like on TikTok and it made her sound like She was a crazy person or a vicious person which she's not either one. Yeah, she's a Jewish, I mean, she's born Jewish. I think she's still Jewish, right? She is. And so she said, yeah, oh, and the Holocaust never happened, right? She said sarcastically, right?

Starting point is 01:40:54 Of course, I think she had relatives who died in it. Yes. Yes, very obvious, right? Right, of course. And they, some guy on Twitter, asshole Sam, I don't know what the guy was, something's fuckelstein or somebody, he fucking made a big deal about it. For the Minneapolis fuckelsteins.

Starting point is 01:41:11 Yeah, probably. Let's do this. This was two weeks after, right? It makes a big deal about, or just put that clip in whatever no context. So then YouTube took us down, took that episode down. But we got to put it on Twitter. So that was nice, at least because it was an honest place,

Starting point is 01:41:26 you know. But what I worry about is like, didn't some of these companies, didn't Twitter or Facebook, didn't they get in trouble for not letting, like during election times, like not real information being allowed to be shared? Yeah, I mean, I don't know who would get them in trouble.

Starting point is 01:41:43 They run everything. And, you know, my concern would be, as we're getting to this election, it's very intense. I think they're very intense people on both sides. And if you actually had a platform that was open for everyone to say what he or she thinks, that's a massive threat to the asshole community. And I think that the, because the truth is always a threat to liars. That's just massive threat to the asshole community. And I think that the,

Starting point is 01:42:05 because the truth is always a threat to liars. That's just, right? Never changes. People are killed never for lying, ever. They're only killed for telling the truth. You're only punished for telling the truth. People get mad as cause you told the truth. Everyone should know that.

Starting point is 01:42:18 So, I mean, I can't imagine the pressure that's gonna come to bear on this company, X now, over the next year. I mean, it's gonna be without precedent, I think. Do you think Elon could be, I mean, there could be like even an assassination attempt on him or something? I would never speculate about something like that, but I just think there's, like, you can't,

Starting point is 01:42:38 you're a guy at a bar, what are you gonna say, you know? You know, I think there's gonna be, I would have a food taster. I mean, I think it's, I think, look, the one thing we, look, if you're doing a great job at something, if you're a great father, a great husband, great employer, great comedian, you're not too worried because you know

Starting point is 01:42:56 you're doing a good job. But if you're doing a bad job and the only beneficiary of your work is you and everyone else is getting screwed and they can't even afford to fill up their truck or buy groceries And you're still getting rich. You're very worried Dictators are always worried about their own security, okay? So what's the biggest threat to you? The biggest threat is someone calling you out and so you have to shut down any

Starting point is 01:43:20 Medium where that could possibly happen. So obviously Facebook is completely controlled Google is completely controlled. TikTok, foreign-uncompany, God knows what their agenda is. So really the only big platform that's pretty not controlled with some apparently some limits. But in general, it's not controlled. It's free speech, it's X.

Starting point is 01:43:39 I agree. So like, there's a lot at stake. legitimate leaders don't worry about this. If I'm a legitimate leader, if I'm a good father, and one of my kids is like, I wanna smoke weed at the breakfast table, you're like, you can't, sorry. As I make the rules, no weed at the breakfast table.

Starting point is 01:43:53 I'm not worried about saying that, because I think I'm a pretty good father, and I think my kids think I'm a pretty good father. But if I'm a terrible father who's abusing my kids, I can't let them say anything, because the authorities might find out. I can get punished for what they know. And that is the same attitude that every dictator has.

Starting point is 01:44:11 That's why all dictators take the guns and impose censorship as the first thing they do. They don't wanna throw you in prison. It's expensive, it's difficult. They don't wanna execute you. They just want you to shut up and be obedient. And Elon Musk, in buying this platform and opening it up to all positions,

Starting point is 01:44:24 even on popular ones, is the single greatest threat to their hegemony, to their control. And I'm not predicting their response, but I mean, it's going to be intense, super intense. I can say that. Do you have security and that sort of thing if you were him, would you have like somebody, you know, would you make sure that the Tesla truck, which is supposed to have been out for 17 years, but that it has extra bullet proofness in the glass?

Starting point is 01:44:50 I would definitely include as a standard feature, not an add-on, the oil tanks that drop the oil onto the road behind you so that people pursue, when you spin out and go right into a bridge about men are off the side of the mountain, off Mall Holland, you know what I mean? I would definitely do that. And I'd have like hidden machine guns

Starting point is 01:45:07 under the side view mirrors. I'd have a death ray possibly. I'd probably be a custom feature, but I would have stuff like that, yeah, for sure. Do you think we get fair news about like even the war like in Israel and Hamas, like do you think we get fair information about that? Like Joe Rogan had a lady on recently

Starting point is 01:45:25 and she was saying that like the perception of what happens over there isn't the information that we get, you know. You see that? Think of it this way. What's at stake? People's lives control of government's control of land, you know, ancient rivalries and hatreds. I mean, there's so much at stake here. This is a Celtics and the Lakers from the Bible. That of course, yeah, I mean, it's very intense. And so of course, there's gonna be massive lying on all sides, and there is. And that's fine.

Starting point is 01:45:54 And you'd go into it knowing that. I've spent a lot of time over there, and I will freely confess I don't understand a lot of the dynamics because I'm from La Jolla. I'm not from, you know, Janine or Jerusalem or Qatar, it's like, I'm not from the region, okay? I don't speak the languages, but I know enough to know that there's massive lying

Starting point is 01:46:14 and I think it's good to know that. The only thing that enrages me is when you hear people say, you must believe me. I have no obligation to believe anybody. You have an obligation if you want me to believe you to prove what you're saying. Right? And I have a right to ask simple fair questions. How do you know that?

Starting point is 01:46:31 How can I trust that? And if you don't give me those answers, then I just don't believe you. And I don't have to believe you. And if your recourse is, you're a bad person for not believe me. Fuck you. That's my response.

Starting point is 01:46:42 Fuck you. And especially in this case, where my money and potentially my children's lives, well that was a cocaine thing. Yeah, one of these things got blown out in my nose. So every now and then I gotta make sure it works. You gotta open it up. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:46:55 Just I agree with that. This is bad. Just widening it out. There's no shit. God, I didn't feel good. I didn't. God, dude. If I can feel it dripping down the back of my throat right now.

Starting point is 01:47:04 Anyway, Shardy is profanity on your show, but somebody put on some cash. You know, what's fucking wrong? Is that what you listen to? I don't know what happened to be honest. What were you listening to? I think it was probably yes. Some cash is some traveling will berries.

Starting point is 01:47:20 Traveling will be a little bit of that's the soundtrack of your private cocaine. I get out of it. I got a unique lesson. You know, a little, maybe some Morgan Wallet, a different, you know, a clectic mix, I think. James Blake, maybe. What about Dustin and Baggy, Billy Strings? I've never heard that.

Starting point is 01:47:37 I love Billy Strings. But I haven't heard Dustin and Baggy. Oh, it's a great tune. And it's about Dustin and Baggy. I thought it was an Irish guy Dustin and a baggy. That's good. That's good. It's cool.

Starting point is 01:47:49 It's Dustin, mom's pissed. And back, back. Sorry, I'm just pissed. Have you ever been to Boston? I've been to Pittsburgh though. Dave Chappelle was just in Boston. And you saw what they did when I'm over there. It was unbelievable.

Starting point is 01:48:02 Yeah. Do you think that's fair that they should, because, what's not fair, but it's like, I don't know if you go to listen to Dave Chappelle these days, you know he's gonna talk more about a lot of stuff. You know, Dave Chappelle criticized his Israel spars with crowd at Boston show. Oh, he criticized Israel. So I didn't know that's exactly what he did.

Starting point is 01:48:20 I mean, look, I wasn't there. I only know what I read. Yeah, I wasn't there either, but I think he made one point, which I think is entirely, I don't know if I mean, look, I wasn't there. I only know what I read. I wasn't there either, but I think he made one point, which I think is entirely, I don't know if I agree. I don't agree with Dave Schpell and everything. Of course, but the one point that I read that I did agree with was, the United States is implicated in this and so we have a right to have an opinion on it.

Starting point is 01:48:38 And that is obviously true. And anyone who tells you, you don't have a right to have an opinion or you must have one specific opinion is wrong. And I think it's fair to say that. Yeah, I think people should be able to have their opinions, you know? Yeah, because once you don't have your fucking opinion,

Starting point is 01:48:54 then it's like, how do you get to a revolution? How do we get to a revolution? Because at what point do people just say, well, if my life doesn't, if you don't want my life to mean anything to me based on how you've set up the environment, at what point do you go from there to then I am not going to play this game or how does a revolution start? They're very worried about it.

Starting point is 01:49:19 That's why they're putting people in prison. I think they should be worried about it. They are worried. I'd love to fucking be on a horseback, dude. Well, but you know how you get your revolution is by not listening to people and not serving their interests and telling them to shut up again and again, calling them names. You know, something you've got a legitimate question.

Starting point is 01:49:35 Like why should I support a worth of run? Shut up, you know, calling me, you know, I have four children of draft age. Like why is that not a fair question for me? Shut up. And you do that enough. And I have recourse because I have four children of draft age. Why is that not a fair question for me? Shut up! And you do that enough, and I have recourse because I have a platform, but most people don't. And if you tell them to shut up enough,

Starting point is 01:49:54 we don't care that you care about gas prices and your stupid pickup truck. Well, some people like their pickup trucks and they use them for work. And if it's not affordable to fill it up, that's a big deal for them. And if you're like, shut up, climate change, pig, you know, your nephew OD's unfendel

Starting point is 01:50:10 and nobody cares, like if you keep that up for a long enough, you will make people radical. And why wouldn't they be radical, actually? And I'm so insulated for most of it because I have enough money and I'm not in debt and my kids are grown and paid for and I'm in a much easier position than most people. And I feel radical just watching.

Starting point is 01:50:29 Right. And so why wouldn't they be on the brink of being unreasonable? And it doesn't need to be this way. You don't have to solve all people's problems. Like some problems are very hard to solve. And people know that. There's no magic button you press that ends inflation or stops fentanyl and everyone know that. There's no magic button you press that ends inflation or stops fentanyl, and everyone knows that.

Starting point is 01:50:48 All you need to do is express the fact and do it sincerely that you care. You acknowledge these are big problems, but when the speaker of the house, who I know, it is a nice guy from your state, the new speaker of the house comes in, and the first thing he does is issue a statement on behalf of foreign

Starting point is 01:51:05 country that's the most important thing I'm and I'm not even against the statement but I'm just saying like what bigger statement does that make? I tell Mikey Johnson yeah and he's the speaker he is and he's God I'm a damn Mikey he's a nice guy and I'm not against him but I'm just saying like if you think the welfare of another country is the most important thing for you as one of the leaders of our country, third in line to the presidency, you have lost the threads on,

Starting point is 01:51:31 because it's not. Nothing is more important for the leaders of our country than our country and how it's 350 million people are doing. So I was enraged by that and people were like, oh, you for a mosque? Of course, I'm not for a mass at all.

Starting point is 01:51:46 I'm for America actually. I shouldn't even have to answer that question. You for Israel or Hamas. I mean, obviously I'm for Israel or Hamas, but that's irrelevant. I'm for America and no one even asked that. And I feel deep resentment about that, that the concerns of this country are of no concern.

Starting point is 01:52:03 Right, it feels like our concerns don't even fucking matter. They don't matter. That's why it makes you wonder, are we just a shell company for Israel? Are we just a shell company for a child? Like, where are we anymore? Like, are we just...

Starting point is 01:52:16 Well, there are a lot of people who live here who really like it here, who are born out. We all love it here. Well, I know you do, and I'm just saying, like, it doesn't have to be this way. You know, there are hundreds of millions of people whose ancestors are you do, and I'm just saying, like, it doesn't have to be this way. You know, there are people, there are hundreds of millions of people whose ancestors are buried here, and they want to stay here, they don't have another passport.

Starting point is 01:52:30 And it wouldn't be hard to rally them and just say, like, you're a Democrat, you're a Republican, you're this, you're that, but we're all American, and let's have a conversation about what's best for our country. You would get people from all sides being like, that's right, that's the right conversation. We may not even agree, but that's the conversation we should be having.

Starting point is 01:52:48 And if you don't do that, I'm just telling you, you play with fire, people go crazy. And I'm totally convinced that the mass shootings were seeing in the massive spike in mental illness that we're seeing, which is leading to the mass shootings. These are manifestations of the frustration, the hopelessness that people feel when they realize their leaders don't care about them. I believe that, I can't prove it,

Starting point is 01:53:08 but I believe it because I happen to live in a place with a lot of people who are not kind of succeeding in the modern world, and they're good people, and they have skills, and their families have been here for hundreds of years, we should care about them. I agree, but see, I think our country has been compromised by people that don't care and they don't see value in that. And it feels like it's just about a bottom line or it's about, I don't know, some goal

Starting point is 01:53:40 that to me seems so erroneous. I can't even fathom that you wouldn't have feelings. Like when you're like that Sackler family that's just let watching people's children die. Just you can make money off of a fucking pill. Who cares? What are you, what are you gonna get another like half bathroom or something?

Starting point is 01:53:59 Like what are you gonna get? Exactly. Like I just, I don't understand the goal sometimes of some of that, or why people would think that selling someone out to such a point where they don't have any purpose where you take away their hope, you know. We had a guy on here talk about meaning

Starting point is 01:54:16 this guy, John Vervaki, and he was real interested in this guy, is from Canada, and he just talks about meaning and when people don't have like, when they don't feel like they're supported by, I'm gonna fuck it up, but if they don't feel like they're part of a group or they don't feel like, if they're totally cut off from other people and just floating around atomized and alone,

Starting point is 01:54:39 it drives them crazy. Right, you go crazy. And then you get an extra risk. And then you get an extra risk. And you can find it. So you've basically taken so much of America by taking away like things that brought us together. Yes. I'm crazy. Right, you go crazy. And then you get to put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk.

Starting point is 01:54:47 And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk.

Starting point is 01:54:55 And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk.

Starting point is 01:55:03 And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra risk. And then you put an extra wood. And so I think if your father went into the woods and your town or whatever, part of a company they built tables. It was literally Mahogany farmers. Yeah. And you had a table at home and then your, it was your dad's company's table. We like, we eat it our families.

Starting point is 01:55:13 Of course. And we built it in our town. Some physical connection between labor and reward. And that was just, now it's just, Now it's just, Now it's just like, do you want to eat it this fucking Chipotle sit-go, you know, where they're selling gas and burritos and, you know, and it's just like, is that a thing?

Starting point is 01:55:32 But that's a fucking town hall of a lot of, it's just, now everything has just been, it's a dollar general in most towns and that's what it is. And you know, it's like, just we've killed off a lot of that, you know. What's interesting is you drive through, I like to hunt in fish, so I've been in a lot of small towns in America, because that's where the hunting in the fish show. Yeah. And some of these towns, and especially the county seats

Starting point is 01:55:52 in rural towns, have beautiful courthouses, beautiful. Like somebody spent a lot of money and a lot of time to make a beautiful public building. One of those hasn't been built since the Second World War. That is true. Probably since the 30, since the Depression. Your Your state especially. You've got a lot of great public architectural Louisiana. None of it has been built since you belong was murdered. Okay. So why is that? And it's been replaced by disposable garbage in the dollar store.

Starting point is 01:56:18 I'm sorry to say in a little amount, but they are a symbol of it. It's so intentionally ugly. Box stores are so ugly. You're like, there's got to be a purpose behind, you know, architecture exists for a reason. You're sending a message when you build a building. When you build anything. And the message of box doors and dollar stores and of public, the DMV is, you mean nothing. We're not going to spend any time or any energy trying to elevate you or please your senses or build anything beautiful. It's ugly on purpose to let you know

Starting point is 01:56:51 that you mean nothing. You do not count. Shut up and obey. You're an animal, actually. And I just feel like there's something very profound about that, the message that it sends and everyone receives the message, whether they know what or not.

Starting point is 01:57:04 You go into a DMV, and what's it telling you? found it about that. The message that it sends in, everyone receives the message, whether they know what or not. You go into a DMV, what's it telling you? Huh, wait your turn, wait for your number, and then some surly low IQ person like it hassles you over. It's like, I'm a citizen of this country. Why don't you even have to have a driver's license? Give me my fucking papers and let me get out of here. How dare you speak to me that way,

Starting point is 01:57:22 but you can't because she's in charge. The whole experience is designed to degrade you and make you less powerful to take yourself respect away. I'm very upset by it. Oh, the DMV, it's almost like they have a line if you come out of the closet, you get to go to the front of the line, you know? I'd be willing to do that.

Starting point is 01:57:42 Yeah, but that's what kind of shit I'm saying. It's like that's how much they want to compromise who you are or what you are. But look at that. Okay, the drop ceiling, like there's no reason to have lighting like that. It doesn't cost more. Maybe to put some lamps or sconces or something. There's nothing more oppressive than a drop ceiling with fluorescent lighting. And there's no reason to have that.

Starting point is 01:58:02 And everything is made out of vinyl and metal. There's not one natural material in there. Why don't I have wooden benches? What would that cost extra? Train stations used to have them, but they don't. Because the message there is all this shit's disposable. It'll be in a landfill in five years, and so will you. Everything about that is degrading to the citizen,

Starting point is 01:58:20 and it's not an accident. We've been doing that since the day we dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, that is true. And to the second one, I mean, I have a lot of theories about it. I have no evidence to back up any of my theories. So I should just say that. I think the dropping the atomic bomb on Japan convinced the US government and the Western leaders

Starting point is 01:58:38 more broadly that they were God. They had the power to destroy whole cities. Nuclear power when weaponized, is the most powerful tool man's ever made. And it gave people the impression that they were God, and they lost all humility and all love for their fellow citizens. They lost love for their fellow citizens.

Starting point is 01:58:58 That's what our architecture, post-war architecture conveys. I don't love you, I don't care about you. The British colonized whole countries, India, for example. They didn't love the, I mean, they love the, but they thought the Indians were lesser than them. They did, they were racist in our current understanding of that word, but they built train stations

Starting point is 01:59:15 and say Calcutta or Bombay that would blow your freaking mind. There's nothing as beautiful in the United States as the train stations they built in the subcontinent, in India. Oh yes, stunning places. Right, stunning. So like, what does that tell you? And these were colonial train stations they built in the subcontinent, in India. Oh, yes, stunning places. Right, stunning. So like, what does that tell you? And these were colonial train stations built

Starting point is 01:59:29 for Indian subjects. Right. Look at that. But they still had a lot of pride in what they built. They did, but they, they, people here do the one in Mumbai, of the Mumbai train station. It's like the most unbelievable. And you had a Pakistani the other day.

Starting point is 01:59:44 Well, that was part of India up until 1997. They have their own autonomy now. Yeah. They do. They have nuclear weapons, actually. Yeah, look at that. Look at that right there. Look at that.

Starting point is 01:59:57 Come on. That looks like, I mean, that's the train station in Bombay, Mumbai, India. Oh, yeah. I've been there. And it's just, I sat there and it's very poorly maintained. The Indian government has done nothing to kind of preserve it. Unfortunately, and they've built a lot of garbage architecture.

Starting point is 02:00:13 They stole from our anti-human architects. But like what kind of country would build something like that? A country that cared about pleasing people. You look at that that pleases you. You wanna keep staring at it, because it's beautiful. We've created nothing of beauty in the United States in 80 years, like what the hell?

Starting point is 02:00:31 Roy Lichtenstein and Andy Warhol, that's beauty, you know what's done, it's garbage. Yeah. Yeah, it's bootleg. Oh, hi, can we go in, baby? Am I? Yeah. Oh yeah, dude.

Starting point is 02:00:43 I like your attitude. Well, you know where there's great architecture Yeah. Oh yeah, dude. I like your attitude. Well, you know where there's great architecture that blew my mind, Milwaukee. The best, down by the river? Dude, Milwaukee. Yes. Is such a beautiful city. I totally agree with you.

Starting point is 02:00:55 I had no idea. Have you tried Cleveland? Uh, yeah. I mean, Cleveland obviously is famously screwed up, mistaken by the lake, but it's like, look at that right there. So the Germans built it. Milwaukee was a German city obviously.

Starting point is 02:01:07 It was. Oh, yeah, what's the beer was brewed there? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Very German city. I love, but we just, and they recreated Europe. The best of Europe. Yeah, Cleveland, definitely,

Starting point is 02:01:17 it was a bit of a different experience. I think when I was there, look at that, look at that building. I'm stunning. Imagine building something like that. And instead, we build glass boxes that are lead certified. And it's like we've built nothing of value, nothing of permanence, nothing we have built in my lifetime will last. And rightly so, there are Roman buildings and Arches. Rome. That was better than last longer.

Starting point is 02:01:45 Rome fell in the fifth century. And it's still there. And that will outlast the construction of a fucking half these pet codes. It's true. It's totally true. Yeah. Sorry.

Starting point is 02:01:56 And it's crazy though. But there's something happened. And I think that's the infection that starts to get into the spirit of us. You know, and I think that's the fight that's going on inside of a lot of people. Make something beautiful. That's what we should be telling kids.

Starting point is 02:02:08 Like your job in life, it's not just working for the man and paying the bills. It's make one thing that's beautiful that you are proud of. That's an expression of something good inside you. Make it with your hands or with your mouth. But make it. Make something beautiful. Yeah. I don't know why that's so.

Starting point is 02:02:24 And by the way, when you say something that you think is, that you think, no, no, there's you think is particularly funny or insightful, you're getting the truth about something. Aren't you filled with like this? Wow. Doesn't that feel like better than anything? Yeah, I think it feels like what you're supposed to be doing.

Starting point is 02:02:38 Yes, that's it. Exactly. You're doing what you're supposed to be doing. Well, God made you to do. That's my feeling, and we, but that's not advice that we give it all. It's like how to be an obedient get some stupid degree at some stupid college to be an obedient employee to some stupid asshole who runs it who's going to mistreat you. Yeah. How do we um what's new in your role? What do you do? What? Well, I've gone crazy.

Starting point is 02:03:04 What are you doing now that's different with, you know, you got on the Twitter, right? And so I know that. And congratulations. I think it's interesting. It's brave for people to get out of the system. A lot of people. I was expelled from the system. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 02:03:19 You got laid off from everywhere. Was it cutbacks or why did you think? Cutbacks. No. I love, I'm going to use that though. You got laid off from everywhere. Was it cutbacks or why did you take cutbacks? No, I love, I'm going to use that though. There's downsizing, just downsizing again. I'm being retrained, I'm learning to code actually. They closed the plan. I totally get, I was on third shift and they're just

Starting point is 02:03:39 the demand wasn't the client. I'm going to use that though next time. No, you fired. It's time's icing. But you got out and you moved to... I was thrown out. You were thrown out. And Elon called me the day that my show was canceled. And I was grateful that he did. He called you on.

Starting point is 02:03:56 Had you spoken to him before? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I had, and I really liked him, and I'm not a technology person to put him mildly, like at all. Yeah, I've heard that. I've heard that. Yep. Like almost on a crazy sort of take Kazinsky way,

Starting point is 02:04:10 which is I'm not defending it's. So who handles tech for you then, kind of? The tech people, I don't, they live in Bangalore. I don't know the names. Just kidding. No, we have a real super smart people. The Bangaloreians, isn't that a little bit? The Bangaloreians.

Starting point is 02:04:24 No, actually our Mandalorian, most of our staff from Fox came. And you know what I mean, we don't work for you. I know just I'm a Twitter user like everybody else, but his all he said was, I'm going to keep the platform open, you know, and people with differing views, whether agree with them or not, are welcome on the platform. And that's the guarantee that I wanted and needed. And so I've been super grateful. I mean, that's all I've ever wanted, by the way,

Starting point is 02:04:50 is to, I've never been, I have made some money, but not, I never got crazy rich, but I never wanted to. That wasn't my goal at all. I mean, I guess I would like to be richer, I guess. I don't know what I'm gonna do with it exactly. Well, now it almost looks like a sickness too. You know, I think there should be a gap.

Starting point is 02:05:06 The money acquisition thing. Yeah. There was a name for that actually. Historically, it was called greed. Yeah. And then, somewhere along the line, we like decide you weren't allowed to complain about greed. And I don't really, because you're against capitalism,

Starting point is 02:05:20 first of all, there is no capitalism in the United States. There's no free market, okay? The government controls everything. You can't have a business without intersecting with government, and the government is used by businesses to create monopoly. So there's no free market. So let's stop lying about that. Second, I am not against capitalism.

Starting point is 02:05:34 I'm for competition. I wish capitalism would return to the United States. But that doesn't mean that you can't say if I've got a billion dollars and I need ten more, that that's your sec, actually. If that's your goal, what would you do with a billion dollars? I mean, I don't want a billion dollars, not that I'm in danger of getting it, but if I was, I'd be like, I don't want that,

Starting point is 02:05:53 because then you spend your whole life worrying about losing it. And your existence becomes about preserving money when your existence should be about loving the people around you and creating something beautiful. Those are your jobs as a person, in my opinion. Yeah. Well, how could we put a cap on how much money

Starting point is 02:06:08 people are allowed to make? I guess people would find their way around it. I mean, the way to do it is to say it out loud again, everything changes with words, articulate the truth. It's not an attack on capitalism, which can just not exist in the United States. I know what you did. To say it is ugly, in fact, it's a sin to worship money.

Starting point is 02:06:28 Yeah. It is. You should not be worshiping money. Worship God. Worship people around you. Worship nature even. But worshiping money is disgusting. And we should not compliment people who do it.

Starting point is 02:06:40 We should instead criticize them and say, that's gross. Hey, hedge fund manager. That's gross. Yeah. fund manager, that's gross. Yeah. I'm sorry, I think that. No, I fucking think that too, man. I remember like maybe two years ago,

Starting point is 02:06:52 like it was like the first time I'd really made some money in my life. And I thought, and I remember I was in my garage, and I just was fucking heartbroken, man. I was remembered, call my brother, I was crying. But it didn't make you happy? I thought, yeah, because I, well, I didn't even know it was money.

Starting point is 02:07:09 I didn't know if it was popularity. I don't know what had happened, but I got into a different space in my career. I finally knew I could pay my mortgage for the year, just like, and I thought that that, somehow in the back of my head, without me even realizing it, I thought that that would be the answer to everything.

Starting point is 02:07:24 And when it wasn't, it fucking killed me. This is such a shit. But nobody wants to hear that also from somebody who... But it's the most familiar thing I've ever heard. It's like, I could tell you so many stories. It just made me so sad that I'd just been fooled. And even fooled by myself. Well, getting what you want is one of the saddest things that can happen to you. I mean, you're happiest when, as a man, I'll speak for a man because I am one, you have a clear mission.

Starting point is 02:07:48 For now. For now, I mean, I could totally change. Oh, it will change. If I get a better spot at the DMV, talker, it does change you. There's something going on in the water, baby. And that's why I, if I could take a break, a break to just promote my non-sponsors in. And this, these are threes. And I normally use sixes, but I appreciate the gesture.

Starting point is 02:08:10 But I do think nicotine does keep your testosterone levels up. Really? I do one of those repositories. I'm not doing a big win or anything, you know? I mean, maybe during the holidays, I would like an expander. It's just a regular spot. Okay. I would do something small, you know?

Starting point is 02:08:25 Just pop a bead in or something, you know? If I'm going to be at the ball part, you know, I do probably just something half a gram or whatever a milligrams, I don't know what it comes in. Three milligrams. Yeah, I do. But getting what you want, succeeding, you know, that's when men fall apart. Yeah. But then also, I think think that we there were more opportunities

Starting point is 02:08:46 for success in the past and there was more opportunities to feel value in the past. Like I remember when I was a kid we used to get our name in the paper and it made you feel so good like your local baseball school, right? And like even if you lost, they fucking put your last name. Oh for four, right? Cryed even though put cried like in parentheses, you're like, fuck yeah, dude, like at least someone in the stat sheet. They can't cry him? Yeah, I mean, I had an app index to me right in the guy who I think was closeter to whatever

Starting point is 02:09:13 was our, was a assistant coach or whatever. And he was screaming at me to get to their base. And literally my appendix had burst. So I can show me on the doll where this happened. Oh, yeah. Dude, I remember we had a dude bus. There's something here I can feel it. Oh bro, this guy's screaming at me

Starting point is 02:09:31 to get to their base, my appendix burst. I'm laying in the fucking dirt, right? And that's a sign of our fucking country nowadays like get to fucking dirt base. You're like, I have sepsis. And nobody fucking cares man, but they still put you in the stat sheet, you know, O for four. Yeah, I think, oh, we had a dude who was touching players and they just called him and

Starting point is 02:09:55 they're like, look, you can't keep coaching if you're going to touch players. That was touching him like in an affirming way. I think just extra affirming, like two affirming. Like overhand you're affirming, but once you turn the hand this way, yeah, totally. Reach around not affirming. Yeah, yeah, if you're doing that, that's totally, that's on affirming, dude. What do you think about, where do we go?

Starting point is 02:10:22 Does Bobby Kennedy Jr. have any chance? Does a third party have any chance in these days? No. A third party can affect the outcome for sure, but the system is, I mean, this could change with time, but the system, it's shown no sign of changing. I can bore you for hours, but, you know, Ross Perran in 1992 and then 1996.

Starting point is 02:10:39 Yeah, remember that. You know, when he got Clinton elected, the ears, that was the campaign thing. Yeah. For the years, I never heard that. I just made it he got clen elected night to. Fear the ears, that was the campaign thing. Yeah. Fear the ears. I never heard that. I just made it off. That was good.

Starting point is 02:10:47 Thanks. But he, and he actually was kind of impressive in it. He was a real smart guy. Was, he was, and he said a lot of things, it turned out to be true, but of course he was attacked as some kind of crazy person, but including by me, I should say. On damn really.

Starting point is 02:11:02 Yeah, I was used as a tool. Do you even notice you're a tool, when you're a tool like that for the further? No, no. Wow. I was 20, I was in my early 20s and I was writing, I was covering, first of all, people in early 20s should not be covering anything other than like kids with appendectomies in baseball.

Starting point is 02:11:19 That right? Should be covering national politics in your 20, like what do you know? Yeah. You don't know shit. Yeah, so you shouldn't be rendering 100% to 100% you know FFA events or whatever but not not politics But anyway, I was and I attacked him as a crazy person and I was used by the person I was working for who's still a public person Truly a dishonest person but anyway, whatever we've got.

Starting point is 02:11:45 If it's Chuck Schumer to say it, more dishonest than Chuck Schumer. Wow. Yeah. Anyway, I can't even get into it. But the point is he got 23% or whatever. I think was 23 that year in 90s. Lost parode did.

Starting point is 02:12:00 Oh yeah. Wow. Dude. Because he was running basically on pre, in sort of a pre-Trump more restrained, more academic, you know less, you know less Trump, but but the idea was the same like manufacturing is dying and it's going to wreck the country. We need to make things stuff like that. Bush, Perot, and DuCacas. You know, who was that? No. DuCacas was 88. It was Bush, Perot, and Bill Clinton. Wow. Who was then the governor of Arkansas in 1992.

Starting point is 02:12:25 It was the first race I covered, and Perot did really well despite massive hostility from the media, because of course they were protecting, you know, their bosses. This establishment. Exactly. That's exactly it, but I didn't perceive any of this. 18.9% of God. What did he get? 18.9% of God.

Starting point is 02:12:42 Oh, I'm sorry, 19%. I'm embarrassed. Did he affect the outcome of that race? Oh, well, he get? 18.9%. Oh, I'm sorry, 19%. I'm embarrassed. Did he affect the outcome of that race? Oh, well, he wanted for Clinton. I mean, Clinton won it as you can see on the page. It's 43%. Right. Absolutely.

Starting point is 02:12:52 So, Perot didn't win. Do you think that Bush wins that? Of course, yeah. Oh, absolutely. He took from Bush, yeah. Who is Kennedy taken from? What do you think? Trump.

Starting point is 02:13:00 You think? Of course. There's no person who's thinking, hmm, I'm going to vote either for Joe Biden or Bobby Kennedy. I have some friends that are. No ways. Where? Really? I have some friends that are that have known Bobby. I mean, these are people that have known Bobby Kennedy for a long time and, but who are Democrats who are like this is my guy the only reason you would vote for Joe Biden is because you believe they're safety in numbers

Starting point is 02:13:29 you're voting for the party you're not obviously I'm not talking about it but you're not voting for Biden you're voting for the Democratic party because you think when they have more power you're safer or richer or whatever that's the only reason and Bobby Kennedy man I mean I've never seen anybody get right to the core issues, the fact in the country the way he has.

Starting point is 02:13:47 And I don't agree with him on everything, but I mean, he names names, I mean, in a big way. Yeah, that's why I love him. I think, well, I just think he can fuck, he doesn't, I don't feel like he's in anybody's pocket. Do you feel like low-key, there's some party that's like planted him in there? People say that, but that's crazy shit, I think.

Starting point is 02:14:06 I mean, I feel like I know Bobby very well, and I am totally convinced just on a human level that he is an honest person. And I don't think that he would do that. And are there people in his orbit who would do that? I believe, yes, is the answer. But I don't think he knows about it, has anything to do with it.

Starting point is 02:14:25 I think he's totally sincere. He's certainly not anyone's pocket. I mean, the guy could be, his name is Bobby Kennedy, he's the son of... Oh, we could do whatever, he could do whatever. You could do whatever. And he has done, he's done a ton of great stuff with this life.

Starting point is 02:14:37 He has, but I'm just saying it's very easy to be loved by everybody and to just, it's very easy to make money when everyone loves you. Bobby Kennedy could have an infinitely easier life than the one he's chosen. He's doing this because he sincerely believes it. Look at that, right? And he's under threat. I mean, I was with him on the street the other day, this weekend in Washington, and the

Starting point is 02:14:56 security people around him were very nervous. He was not nervous at all, but they were. Anyway, the point is, I think Bobby is totally sincere, but he is giving a massive middle finger to the establishment, like almost as aggressively as I've ever seen anybody. Why can't we get him to a level? Because what percent does he have to get? Oh, I guess, I don't, we don't know,

Starting point is 02:15:17 because you don't know what I have to do. We need to get the plurality. You know, he need to get more than the other two. And unfortunately, the system is set up where it's hard for a third party guy to get on all ballots. I mean, they've rigged the system against a third party challenge because they don't want that.

Starting point is 02:15:30 Who is rigged the system, both of the parties? Both of the parties. Yeah, of course. Of course. I mean, once you have power, what's your number one goal? It's preserving it and preventing people from challenging you, you know, of course. When there's a revolution, what city should we meet up in? Well, if there is a revolution, and I pray there isn't, because they never end well,

Starting point is 02:15:50 but if there is... But it'd be fucking fun, huh? Like, the first 20 minutes when you actually storm the best deal and free the prisoners or whatever, hang your homemade flag from the roof of the Capitol or whatever, like you... Burn the news networks is the fact. Exactly. You'd have to do. So that'd be the fun part of the revolution.

Starting point is 02:16:06 I think that'd be, that would be definitely be the fun part. But then it gets, then you have like show trials and famines and you have like all the downside, but whatever, I'm not in church. So if that happens, I will be so deep in the woods, surrounded by my dogs and I'll say it firearms. Probably not gonna hear a funny. Let's just pretend one of your dogs is named firearms.

Starting point is 02:16:28 I actually have a dog called firearm. I have AK and 47 and I got bow, I got arrow, I got whatever. I got all my weapons and the woods with me. But yeah, and you can even just text me and just let me know where you're gonna be. But I think about the, you know what's wild is, I think about that sometimes. But you're gonna be in LA.

Starting point is 02:16:50 No, I won't be. I live in Nashville. Oh, you don't live in LA. No, I live in a place where if somebody is man weird, you can. Yeah. Um, okay. Because if you're in LA, you just get eaten.

Starting point is 02:17:02 Yeah. Oh, well, here's a move you would do in LA. You would get in a boat and go off the shore. That would be the first move and let the other. Having grown up on the Pacific, let me just say it's a little bigger than the chunk of funky river wherever you. You're from, yeah.

Starting point is 02:17:16 Super big ocean. Yeah, and also fuck men and Jerry's while we're at us. Yeah, but go on. They're mocks us. Is it called chunky monkey? What's the name of your river? Chafonka. Chafonka. I don't love called chunky monkey. What's the name of your river? Chafanta. Chafanta.

Starting point is 02:17:27 I love that. That's the greatest name ever. But the Pacific goes on forever and then you make it to Hawaii like six days later in your Boston, Wheeler. Yeah, right. Well, if you've been lost at sea for six days, you deserve to show up in Hawaii. It's easy to miss Hawaii though in the middle of the Pacific. You could. Yeah, that's a long way to Thailand.

Starting point is 02:17:45 It's super-packed and they take you up and they're like, you fuck you with it, go to Hawaii, like, what the fuck, I let my wife draw. No, the Pacific is not a good escape plan at all. No, because South you have, you know, Baha, Sonata, right? That's gonna be a little chaotic, it always is. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:18:04 From Los Angeles to what? The Arctic Circle. I mean, that's just like nothing. It's like Alaska. Like there's kind of nowhere to go. Yeah. But you know, you get in the woods. Deep in there. Yeah, you got a shot. You got a shot. And then, Radley up in there with a couple of pups. 100% you go full boot, Radley. Oh, given the hollow of a tree. Yeah, that's it. Me too, man, it sounds exciting. But I think people start to think that way.

Starting point is 02:18:31 And that's a sad, it's interesting because it just comes in my head sometimes. I've thought about asking people I know, I've thought about asking Joe Rogan, where do we meet up? If shit gets weird. And I'd never used to think that Joe's gonna leave his house, right? He might not, but I think everybody's got a little bit of a place. I think some people are thinking maybe, could be, I think you want to do mountainous,

Starting point is 02:18:53 so I think you go salt lake or Denver, Broncos suck, but so I don't know if I go there. You totally doesn't have a team. I don't know, but you start to think about that. You wanna get up to sea level, you know, you don't want nature beating you. So you don't wanna drown out, you don't wanna be in fucking Johnstown or something,

Starting point is 02:19:12 or whatever that place is. Johnstown or Johnstown. Or Johnstown, both of them funner out. Both of them funner out. Both of them funner out. Bad, bad. Purple coolade, overflowing rivers. You don't wanna go anywhere, I think is the truth.

Starting point is 02:19:26 You don't wanna go anywhere. You don't want to. You don't wanna travel. If things go sideways, I don't think you wanna be on the road. I mean, that's a good point. The two times I've been in places for brief periods where there really was no authority. Would that feel like nowhere was it?

Starting point is 02:19:42 One was Katrina right after the storm in New Orleans. Wow, you were down there, Ambrose. I was, and the other was in Baghdad in December of 03, when it kind of like started to get, I felt out of hand. And which one was more hectic, you think? Oh, Baghdad. But I, but for the United States, I really, no one ever says this, I really feel like Katrina was like,

Starting point is 02:20:02 was almost unbelievable. How chaotic it was. Oh yeah. Oh, for real. I mean, yeah, I could bore you. Oh, I've been in a game when the saints are fucking losing to the Falcons and it gets fucking hectic enough.

Starting point is 02:20:13 There is no one there to call, like I hear you. And then people start behaving in ways that are ridiculous. And I saw, I saw them in my own eyes and dead people and people getting shot, like I saw it, not guessing. And my own eyes and dead people and people getting shot like I saw it, not guessing and I was just like, this cannot be America. Like I always thought if something bad happened, there would be like you just like call some special number

Starting point is 02:20:34 and like dad comes and restores order. No, no, at all. The police were looting. I saw it. The police were looting during Katrina. So that's, anyway, whatever. My point is I don't think you wanna travel too much if you can help it. The police were looting during Katrina. So that's, anyway, whatever. My point is I don't think you want to travel too much if you can help it. It's better to be in a place where you're just like, this is my place and I'm defending

Starting point is 02:20:53 it with these firearms, but this set, and tell things come down. Until electricity is restored after the MP attack or whatever. Yeah. Because that's what's going to happen. You'll be to be a nuclear attack? No. There's going to be, it's pretty easy to take down a society that's what's gonna happen. You'll be the big nuclear attack? No, there's gonna be, you know, it's pretty easy to take down a society that's digital.

Starting point is 02:21:08 Oh, yeah, once you unplug that, and then when there's, but that's a crazy feeling when you're like, okay, because your first thought is, let me call somebody. Nope, your phone isn't gonna work. No calling, no oil through the pipelines, no food delivery.

Starting point is 02:21:21 God's gonna have the busiest afternoon. No airlines, no one on the roads, dams fail. Like, you know, if you've put everything online, which, because the people who run our country are so stupid, they've actually done that. You are so vulnerable that it's unbelievable when you're using Chinese servers and switchers and like, at that point, you have

Starting point is 02:21:45 no control. You don't need to drop a new gun anybody. Yeah. Yeah. First of all, if anybody bulls me that shit, do not nuke. You don't need to. You don't need to. Let us at least enjoy the mystery of it for a little while too. But people are so that doesn't mean just no door dash. That means no anything. And people, one thing I've noticed in both the place I've been working, stacey dash either, huh? That bitch, both the place I But stacey dash either on that you know no stacey dash you can't call any of your call girls from the interstate Oh, thank God, what if they start showing up? They will they'll be seeking refuge at your place Remember me you tip me for no service seeking refuge rainments

Starting point is 02:22:22 That was a tough plan words. That's a good one though. Thank you, dude. But I think, yeah, but you wouldn't be able to use money anywhere. No. That's gonna become no value. Like it's just, it's weird we're having this conversation, but even as me listening to you talk,

Starting point is 02:22:36 I am my brain, I think, is recording this because it feels like it could be plausible. All you need is a couple of cops to be like, you know what? Fuck these people as well. I'm not gonna quit blockading or attacking these people who I know are really struggling when I'm going home tonight and being one of them. 100%.

Starting point is 02:22:56 And by the way, my kids are at home. And this happened in New Orleans during Katrina. It's cops and I give them all the benefit of the doubt. Some of them, you do have some criminal cops down there, but you also have good guys too, you know. And the good guys are like, I'm sorry I got a wife and kids at home, like I'm not, and people are going nuts. The thing that I noticed was it took like zero time from when authority disappeared for

Starting point is 02:23:18 people to get super afraid for the predators to come out and start praying on people. And for everything just to fall apart, everything. Yeah. And if you unplug this country, and by the way, once you decide you're gonna go to war with the Ron, is we've apparently the morons who run our country have decided, that is, I mean, a very likely outcome

Starting point is 02:23:38 that they're gonna do something like that. Really? Absolutely. Everyone's like, oh, they could send an ICBM or whatever. Why would they bother to throw a missile at the United States across the ocean when they could unplug the country? And then you have real casualties, mass casualties and mass chaos, like true, true chaos. People are not prepared for this.

Starting point is 02:24:03 They haven't thought it through or leaders have not prepared them for it at all. It's like, oh, it's on your iPhone. You don't have an iPhone and there's no electricity and there's no water and there's no way to get anywhere. Yeah. Come on, newt. And that could happen. That's not science fiction.

Starting point is 02:24:18 Like that could happen soon and we're not ready for it. And as you said, it's not a cohesive country. People are not like, oh, I'm gonna help my neighbors. You don't know who your neighbors are. They may not speak the same language. Well, you're certainly not going to also help your government. So that's gonna be the weird thing.

Starting point is 02:24:33 When the government's like, people do this, it's you might, if a lot of people are gonna like, fuck you, I don't trust you. Totally. And people have not seen chaos. They don't know what chaos looks like. There we go. Like, when people imagine war, they imagine, you know,

Starting point is 02:24:48 two lines against each other, lobbying artillery shells or rifle fire at each other, there's a certain order to that. And people can handle it. You know, it's dangerous, but I can handle it. It makes sense to me. It's orderly, it's geometric. Chaos is completely different from that.

Starting point is 02:25:03 Chaos is like, you have no freaking idea. What's happening? Who's on your side? Who's not? Who's the threat? Who isn't? Where things are going? People are not designed for that. People can't handle K.O.S. and they go crazy. And I've only, as I said, had a taste of this a couple of times but enough to learn, K.O.S. is the one thing you have to avoid

Starting point is 02:25:22 because that's when people become animals and really start behaving in ways that are inconceivable to civilize people. Oh, we're gonna turn in a middle monkey's real fast or we're gonna... Like, in minutes. Yeah. Oh yeah, bro.

Starting point is 02:25:34 Dude, I was at a Dave and Buster's one time, right? I might even joke and fucking power goes out, dude. Did you eat anyone? Bro, it was wacka everyone in that best dude. People were beating this, it was Waka everyone in that bistro. People were beating the, it was complete darkness. And people, yeah, you're fucking feeling around for whatever, you know, birthday cake or whatever you're, you know, like you don't even know what's going on.

Starting point is 02:25:54 But that was created at Dave and Buster, I know. You know? So what is your plans now? Like you've already, you're on Twitter, you're in a free space, as much as we have in in today's society you're in a free space for free speech what else do you is there like we have some plans i mean some of them i'm if i'm being honest include territorial expansion

Starting point is 02:26:17 working on vade canada called to do it just knock no pillow fight uh... no i mean just knock. No, pillow fight. No, I mean, I just want to continue doing what we're doing, which is just, you know, say things that can't be said in other places, bring facts that maybe people haven't heard with the spirit of humility. You know, if you, I'm having spent my whole life in Washington most of it 35 years. I'm very, I know, I'm having spent my whole life in Washington most of it, 35 years. I'm very, I know, I can't believe it.

Starting point is 02:26:47 But you know what, I think a lot of people were glad that somebody was there. You know, it's nice to see people that get out of a space because then they're, when you're not as compromised, when people don't seem as compromised. It's totally right, no, it's totally true, but I didn't realize just how controlled my brain was by it when I was in it, because you don't, right?

Starting point is 02:27:03 But anyway, but I've been around a lot of people who set out like with these grandiose plans, I'm gonna change the world. Those people invariably, 100% of the time, make the world worse. So like, you know, approach every task with the knowledge, I have no real idea what I'm doing. I don't know the long-term consequences of this.

Starting point is 02:27:24 I probably can't fix every problem. I'm just gonna try my best with humility, you know, to make things slightly better. That's my goal, make things slightly better. But anyone who tells you, if we pass a sludge a sludge, at least we're gonna fix everything. We're gonna fix healthcare forever, said Barack Obama in 2010.

Starting point is 02:27:43 When he soon said that, I was like, I don't even know much about healthcare. I'm hardly an expert, but I was like, the second you tell me you're gonna fix something as complicated as one fifth of the entire US economy and one piece of legislation, fuck you. Because you're lying actually, because that's impossible. And it turned out they made it worse.

Starting point is 02:27:59 Of course, so I don't wanna do that, not that I even have the power to, but I just want to tell the truth and do it without being told not to, and I think that we can. And Tucker on X is your show, right? And do you guys have, would you think, would you ever do a show

Starting point is 02:28:20 with a partner, you think, or anything like that? I'm not gonna pitch you an idea. I'm just, because that's usually the predecessor question like I'm not gonna pitch you an idea. I'm just, because that's usually the predecessor question like somebody trying to pitch you an idea, but do you think about that sort of thing? Like, do you have,

Starting point is 02:28:32 well, I mean, I have a million people I would like to work with. I mean, I like to interview people actually and a lot and I really try to be quiet while I interview them because I'm a compulsive talker, obviously. But I'd like a respite from that where I can just listen. So I like to, we will have a lot of people on and we have a lot of recurring gas. But yeah, we're making a bunch of documentaries

Starting point is 02:28:56 and doing stuff like that. So like a production company kind of more, like are you expanding in that sense? Mm-hmm. Yep. Like, what is that one? Ben Shapiro has one, Out Kick is a company, is that a company?

Starting point is 02:29:09 Daily wire? I don't know what Out Kick is. I have a friend who works there. Out Kick, I think it was football and then they, okay, does Jason, does Jason start there? Do you know Jason Woodlock? Yeah, I do know Jason Woodlock, I met him one? Do you know Jason Whitlock? Yeah, I do know Jason. We're like, I met him one time. I look, so I love Jason Whitlock.

Starting point is 02:29:28 Yeah. Really? And he guys seem very friendly. I didn't get to talk to him much. He's a great guy and very deep. He's not a shallow person. Really? He's the kind of person when you're talking to him.

Starting point is 02:29:37 Whitlock's, oh, there he is, right there. Whitlock will say things and you're like, wait, what? I'm sorry. I just want to have like a super shallow conversation. Like, how are you? I'm great, how are you? And he'll, because I'm shallow in some ways. And he'll like, he doesn't think like that

Starting point is 02:29:52 or talk like that. It's sort of like super heavy stuff out there. Oh, and it's cool. That'd be interesting. Sometimes I wanna have deeper conversations with people, but I think I'm gonna get afraid to get into them. I don't know how to get into them without seeming like I'm being a, obtrusive or, I don't know. With him, you don seeming like I'm being a True Siv or I don't know with him. You don't have to worry because he does it. He's okay with it

Starting point is 02:30:09 Yeah, well he just goes there immediately goes there I like that about him. Do you uh? Do you ever get asked and then we'll wrap up because I need for a while. Thanks your time. I love it Um, do you ever get asked to bring people over to Twitter? Like, is there like movement? Because then, oh, John Stewart just had a show with Apple, right? Was that recently where he canceled,

Starting point is 02:30:35 yeah, he had a show with Apple. John Stewart. John Stewart. The guy from the Daily Show? From the Daily Show. John Stewart's show on Apple is ending. Mr. Stewart and, and sorry, Apple are parting ways because of creative differences over the past.

Starting point is 02:30:49 I didn't even know we had a show on Apple, so it shows you what I know. People with the knowledge, but they had a disagreement about the episodes, the type of episodes he wanted to do. He wanted to do episodes on, can we move it down? Okay. According to Hall of Report,

Starting point is 02:31:03 ahead of its decision, the end. Apple approached Stewart directly and expressed its need for the host and is tuned to be aligned with the company's views on topics discussed, rather than falling in line when Apple threatened to cancel the show. Stewart reportedly decided to walk.

Starting point is 02:31:17 Stewart, that would tend in discussions of artificial intelligence and China were a major concern for Apple. Why would they be concerned with him having episodes like that? I mean, we're assuming that's true. I hope it's true. That's a noble reason to leave.

Starting point is 02:31:30 If you think there's something really important and you want to cover in your boss says, no, it's a good reason to quit. So I hope that that's right. Was there another time you almost quit before? Or you guys laid off all the time? Or you guys laid off all the time. I mean, I didn't know even though that show existed,

Starting point is 02:31:43 so I don't think it was doing well. I don't think so. Yeah. And Stuart, obviously a talented guy, I knew him, you know. Yeah, he's kind of below 25 years ago. Yeah, I always thought he was talented. He definitely did what I think everyone does at some point and it's important to come out of it

Starting point is 02:32:00 and start to mistake yourself for like a messianic figure. And just like, no, I'm just a guy. Like it's so important. And I've done that. So I've been there. Oh yeah, your ego is the first thing to grow. 100%. And it's very scary.

Starting point is 02:32:12 You're like, dang, does God have some special reason for me? No, you will humiliate yourself. You will humiliate yourself and you'll destroy yourself. You will lose the respect of your wife and your friends if you don't pull back from that. Yeah. And just remember, I am an asshole. And if you don't believe that,

Starting point is 02:32:29 next time you get out of the shower, walk in front of the mirror and look at yourself and be like, am I really impressive? No, no, no, really. Oh yeah. Yeah, I saw it this morning. Did you? What'd you think?

Starting point is 02:32:43 Right, yeah. So, yeah, right, exactly. So like, it's important to do that think? Yeah, right, yeah. So, yeah, right, exactly. So like, it's important to do that, you know, and I mean that will keep you from thinking you're the Messiah. I don't think he has any mirrors in this house. Yeah. Yeah. Any other question that, or anything you wanted to talk about,

Starting point is 02:32:56 Tucker, no. Okay, I know you share everything on your own show. Why do you share everything in general? Yeah. Yeah, I've enjoyed the hell out of it. Yeah, man, it's been a lot of fun. I've had a great time. Yeah, I've enjoyed the hell out of it. Yeah, man, it's been a lot of fun. I've had a great time. Yeah, I wrote me too.

Starting point is 02:33:07 I appreciate it. You're the only person I've talked to in the last, well, probably ever, who one of my kids will be impressed by. They're not impressed at all. Yeah. They're impressed by you. I don't know why.

Starting point is 02:33:18 You've obviously got some sort of weird magic power over younger people. I don't know anything about that. But you don't abuse it. Well, I'm not asking the thing. Very good. I just, they're not going to start a children's crusade or anything.

Starting point is 02:33:30 They came after our industry a couple of years ago. Oh, I didn't mean it in creepy. Okay, good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I only know adult women. And um, the, the old women like you. No, I just only know people that are legally adult. Well, of course.

Starting point is 02:33:43 Okay, that's all I'm saying, dude. Because, yeah, immediately, like, you know, I remember the New York Times, like hunted down half of our industry, you know, like finally. Oh, I noticed. I noticed. Yeah, just that vague stuff where it comes up. And I think there are a lot of creepy comedians,

Starting point is 02:33:57 but not as many as there are in journalism. He has some creeps, there's in journalism. Dude, what happened? Remember the guy who jumped off in the Zoom meeting and then they brought him back on for the interview. And he sat there and he's like, oh, you're gonna cut wack it off in a Zoom interview. I mean, it just shows his name is Jeff Tuben.

Starting point is 02:34:14 And not a stupid guy actually, I know him. And I've worked with him, but he's, oh yeah. But his desire to be on television trumps everything else. Like if I said to you, if know, if that happened to you, you'd be like, you know what, I'm just kind of out. I'm gonna do something.

Starting point is 02:34:29 You know what I mean? I'll find people know I'm had issues with it. Right. Yeah. But you said you have them under control. You're not compulsive. No, I'm doing great. Just habitual, but not a problem.

Starting point is 02:34:38 Yeah, yeah, just out of full moon. Yeah. But imagine if you're Jeff Tuben to sit there with this female anchor on Fox and talk about that. It's like there's no shame that you won't bear. There's no shit you won't eat just to be on television. And I obviously had no respect for Jeff Tuben anyway because I know him.

Starting point is 02:35:00 But I had even less after that. I mean, that was weird how God will give you your gifts. You don't fucking know what they're gonna be wrapped in. It's like all he wanted to be was on camera. I know. And just like, there he is. You gotta want the right things, you know what I mean? I think you gotta get real specific with God,

Starting point is 02:35:18 bro, cause he's busy. I totally agree. And last thing I'll say is I think it's so important if you are publicly humiliated and I have certainly been. And he was, of course, too. It can be a great thing. That's a great thing.

Starting point is 02:35:34 And you should treat it that way and be grateful for it. You know, that this is keeping me from becoming an even worse person than I might otherwise have been. There's nothing worse than a man who's spent his entire adult life succeeding and never being humiliated. They become unbearable. They talk only about themselves. They can't bear to listen to you.

Starting point is 02:35:53 Every time you talk, it's your holding their breath until you stop so they can start up again. They become true narcissists. And I just hope for Jeff Tuban, who's really an asshole, actually, I'm just saying. I don't know. But I do. I do say he's like, he really an asshole, actually, I'm just saying I don't know, but he's a lot. Well, I do. I just wanted to say he's like, he's an asshole. Yeah, he is. But he may be less of one now.

Starting point is 02:36:10 Yeah. Actually, and I've certainly been an asshole a lot. So I'm not judging, you know, but I do it. So I have, I hope for him. Yeah. I caught Wacken off. There's a massive upside potentially. Oh, yeah, dude.

Starting point is 02:36:24 I mean, definitely. There's no way. Yeah, that guy definitely likes jerking. But yeah, anyway, uh, Tucker Carlson, thanks so much, dude. It was interesting and I really appreciate your time. I really do. I did. And thank you for the Zen. All right. Yeah, you bet, brother. I might do one later. We'll see. I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone Oh but when I reach that ground I'll share this piece of mine I found I can't feed it in my bones But it's gonna take in my balls but it's gonna take

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