This Past Weekend - E492 Jameis Winston

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Starting point is 00:01:09 He said you, he always sees you in there getting a lot of juices. Where you at? Whole Foods or Fresh Market? Yeah. I'm in there, man. Are you? Yeah, I'm in there. Like I get the, the watermelon juice.

Starting point is 00:01:22 Oh yeah. Like I got a watermelon juice right here. Oh, you do, huh? I do. I keep it, man. Okay. Good for circulation, you know what I'm saying? Good for the body.

Starting point is 00:01:31 Yeah, I'm just saying, he keeps that thing on in my herd. I keep it. That watermelon juice, bro. Yeah, you got, look, if you can't get to one in real time, keep the juice out of it, I feel that. Yeah, man. Thanks for coming in, bro. Oh, thank it, I feel that. Yeah, man. Thanks for coming in, bro. Oh, thank you.

Starting point is 00:01:48 I'm thankful for this, man. I admire you, your story, you know what I'm saying? Appreciate it. Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, I've been a lifelong Saints fan too, so, yeah, this is really, it's just a nice opportunity, man, to get to sit down with you today. Yeah, we went to the basketball game last night. Pels. Yeah. You been? Yeah, I've been to some Pels games. Yeah, we went to the basketball game last night. You been?

Starting point is 00:02:06 Yeah, I've been to some Pels games. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the city, man. Smoothie King. Yeah. Actually, we went to one of my old recruits back at Florida State, Malachi Dupree. Went to LSU. We went to his little sushi spot. Me and Cam joined in. A good friend, Stone, my wife, his wife, and we met a couple that just came from the game, they were celebrating their second year anniversary. Last night?

Starting point is 00:02:30 Yeah, she had like on her pills, like chain and everything, and I was like, hey man, y'all celebrating? Did the pills win last night, you know? You celebrate your anniversary, going to a pills game. That's a big night, yeah. And they was talking about,

Starting point is 00:02:42 yeah, we came all the way from Mississippi. I said, okay, that's not that far, but to celebrate the anniversary it is. Oh yeah. I think anniversary is important, man. No doubt. I celebrated mine Wednesday. Oh, you did?

Starting point is 00:02:54 Yeah, no doubt. Nice. What'd y'all do? Four seasons after four seasons. Really? Yeah, it was your fault at the four seasons. Oh, that's how you do it? No doubt, we did it right.

Starting point is 00:03:02 Wow. So I guess you got to find something that rhymes each time you think think or like for fifth what do you have to do then Cinco de Mayo? Cinco de Mayo that's my grandma birthday. Oh it is? Yeah. Oh you can't mix them then? Yeah no. Yeah what else? Yeah I grew up not far across the lake man uh so I'm from this area. Coventry. Yeah. Yeah you've been over there? Well I've drove driven over there to go to Alabama. Oh yeah. I'm from this area. Covington. Yeah. You been over there? Well, I've drove, driven over there to go to Alabama. Oh yeah. I'm from Birmingham, Bessam.

Starting point is 00:03:30 Oh yeah. Yeah, what was it like in your town growing up? Pretty small area? Yeah, pretty small, intimate. But we had like a lot of celebrities, not celebrities, but some of the greatest athletes there, like Bo Jackson, like D'Amico Rhymes who coached for Texans yeah, so like Carrie Rose, Cori White. We had a lot of like sports figures that Willie Mays was right down

Starting point is 00:03:55 like 15 minutes from Fairfield. Really? Really Mays? Did you ever get to see him when you were a child? Well, no, he's a little older than me. Right, but even when you were at your... Oh, he was already deceased or no? No, he wasn't deceased, but like I never got to meet him. You think he'd drive down there and meet him? Well, I played it like his baseball field. Oh, you did? I did have, yeah.

Starting point is 00:04:15 Oh, nice. No doubt. It was cool. Yeah, what was it like? Did y'all have any pets growing up? Yeah, I had two pets. I had two pit bulls. One name was... His name was Bagdad. Oh, damn. Yeah. I mean, I had I had two picks, two pit bulls. One name was, his name was Bagdad. Oh damn. Yeah, I mean, I think he was a service dog. He was he was definitely a service dog. But he was Bagdad because I guess the time that everything was going on and like, and like, when we first got him, he was a he was really a rescue. Like he was into fighting and stuff.

Starting point is 00:04:41 And like he was all ate up and everything. Oh damn. And he really just like he became my best friend. Really? You know what I'm saying? Because you know, like a lot of people are scared of pit bulls. Yeah. And he was a little timid at first just because of what he went through. And me and my dad was like, man, you know, he went through war, you know. And at that time, you know, we were like, it was during like the early 2000s

Starting point is 00:05:03 when a lot of things, a lot of events had happened. In the Middle East. Yeah, in the Middle East. So we named him Baghdad, you know? Damn. And another one was Ice. Oh, now Ice seemed like he'd been into some other stuff. It was a she.

Starting point is 00:05:15 It was a she. Okay, I'm just saying, Ice seemed like he might've got off into the drug game. We got her from a kid, is it little or a kitty? It was one of them. We got her from a kennel. it little or a kitty? It's one of them. We got her from a kennel. Oh yeah. So she was a puppy.

Starting point is 00:05:28 And we had her, she was feisty. Really? Yeah, she was feisty. A lot of the, yeah, a lot of women, females are overall. And that's fine. Yeah, it is. Look, they gotta be. To each his own. Yeah, they gotta be feisty, man.

Starting point is 00:05:41 Yeah, it seemed like you might have, did y'all have a cat or not? You don't see a lot of, did y'all ever own a cat? No, I'm not a cat guy. I mean, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like,

Starting point is 00:05:56 it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's Like that show and like, it's like, I had real life Tom and Jerry moments. The cats, like we had Pitbulls shat up in the back. We had the cats running through like the, they was alley cats too. Like they was some bad because them rats,

Starting point is 00:06:11 they was big, they was small. Damn, you're down living on Noah's Ark, bro. It was over there. It was a lot of species, most of them. I'm trying to tell you, cockroaches, everything. I was like, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie. I was like, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie.

Starting point is 00:06:24 I was like, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie. I was like, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie. I was like, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie. I was like, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie. I was like, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie. I was like, I on Noah's Ark, bro. It's over there. It was a lot of species multiplying. I'm trying to tell you, cockroaches, everything. Oh, at night, you've turned it, yeah, you turn the lights off, you hear some romantic music going. You notice, and them animals are figuring it out, baby. One of the most memorable things was the light bugs.

Starting point is 00:06:40 Do you remember light bugs? Did y'all have light bugs? I feel like they're extinct, bro. I haven't seen any light bugs lately. Well, I think there's so much light now that's in the cities because in the day, they didn't have as much, you know, like, especially if you're in the country, you're in a smaller environment.

Starting point is 00:06:51 There's not, you're not, people aren't running around with so much lights everywhere. You might have a porch light, maybe like a flood light by the garage. So right off in the distance, you would see them. But now I think also when you're in a city, if you see a light bug in a city, he lost. He gotta be lost.

Starting point is 00:07:07 Yeah. I mean, he ain't. He probably did. He probably got hit by a windshield or something. I guess. Or got knocked off and now he lost in the city. That'd be a good movie, wouldn't it? A lost light bug.

Starting point is 00:07:18 But they call them fireflies. Like I never knew, understood. The lost fly. But I think fireflies are maybe the ones that are out there popping off. They shooting, bro. I think light are maybe the ones that are out there popping off they shooting but I think light bugs are the ones that's out there really spreading the word I feel like yeah cuz a light bug was amazing when you were a kid and you saw a light bug it was because you didn't

Starting point is 00:07:36 think it was anything in the dark and then you see like literally and they like glow and they come back they go dark and glow and like you said you end up following is like you know it's like at a kid, you know how you practice slow motion stuff. It's like you would mimic the light bulb just going slow and just seeing them just fly. And they move like so subtle. And then they disappear and you run back

Starting point is 00:07:55 and tell your parents and that's when your mom usually like say to the dad, I think he's been smoking dope. Well, it was so many, like we used to get flooded with light bulbs, you know what I'm saying? We had to watch out for the rats and, like we used to get flooded with light bugs. You know what I'm saying? We had to watch out for the rats and the cats, but we got flooded with light bugs. Yeah, I remember they had, because we would try to catch them in a jar if my grandmother would give us like a little jar, like a mason jar or whatever, we'd try to catch them in

Starting point is 00:08:17 there. But then they die, if you don't put the air in it. Yeah, they die. Yeah, we just catch them in our hands and let them go. We'd end up squishing them and it'd be sad. But some of my younger cousins, they would just take the light out of there, like just kill them, just pull it out.

Starting point is 00:08:31 Oh, dang, somebody grew up to be an electrician probably. Most likely. Because that is intense behavior. To pull the light out of it? I don't think they had a lot of electricity. Okay. I think they were pulling their soul out. It was the light.

Starting point is 00:08:45 Oh yeah, I love that. If something's flying around and they just got about half a watt on them. Yeah. And you block it. You got to come home like, you got to take it, put it on top of your head like ding. I got an idea to take this from you.

Starting point is 00:08:58 Oh, that's wild, man. Yeah, I love stuff like that. I loved being like a child and like, cause every experience was so new Everything when I was a kid was new man. That's one thing I really miss Like you just so innocent. Yeah as a kid like not much heartbreak not much real failure You know, everything is just a new experience to you Like you always know like if I fall down I'm getting right back up. I'm continuing to play

Starting point is 00:09:22 I feel like when we were young, like everyone was outside. It wasn't like a video game time or anything like that. Like we was outside playing, we getting to know other people, we getting into fights, you know what I'm saying? Look, who stole my cousin bike? Like we going on real like search hunts. Like who stole my cousin bike? Like stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:09:40 And then it was your other cousin. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Your other cousin. Yeah, I know you liked that. Who was actually like your true blood cousin. I know, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Your other cousin. Yeah, I know you liked that. Who was actually like your true blood cousin. I know, bro. You know what I'm saying? Because your uncle had another lady up the street

Starting point is 00:09:51 that you didn't know about. And that was what it was, man. They met through choir, and that's what it was, man. Singing will bring people together. Yeah, it does. Yeah, I loved like little neighborhood stuff when you had your friends and you would go outside and see them. I loved stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:10:09 We played a lot of football outside. We play in the street even too. Yeah. You know? Did y'all play like throw them up, bust them up? Like what did y'all play, two-hand touch? We would play the game where somebody throws it up and then you just run and hit them. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:10:23 Yeah. Throw them up, bust them up. Bruh. Yeah. Yeah. Different. Yeah. They and we lost some people. Did you have the same hair? Like, cause I feel like your hair is built for like that type of game. Oh yeah, but my hair would stand out. Stand up. Yeah. My hair catching out, bro. I ain't gonna gotta raise my hands. Man, it looked solid. You know what I'm saying? Thanks, bro. You can't throw nothing through that. Oh, no, bro. No doubt. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:10:46 I got, yeah. This is really some J.Lem Ramsey hair, I feel like. It's a real, I got some shut down corners on this thing. No, you do. Lockdown. And that he is. You have a lot going on, man, in your life right now, huh? Yeah, I do.

Starting point is 00:11:02 I do. Bless, man. You're going to be moving, man. Yeah, I do. I do. Bless man. You're going to be moving man. Yeah, I am. I am. And I'm happy. I'm happy for increase.

Starting point is 00:11:10 I think that's the biggest part. You know how it is. Any part of your life you get to choose how you view it. And obviously you've been from this city, you know how much this city is. How this city rock with their football team. Oh man. But man I'm excited for Cleveland, bro. Like I'm excited to get to work. I'm excited to have opportunity to be at a, you know, a story franchise and bring them hope. Yeah. Yeah. How do you, what is like the process as that happens? Like,

Starting point is 00:11:41 how do you find out that you're going to go somewhere else? What's that process like? Do you hear about it first or it really is a surprise? It's like a vetting process. Well, you know, you got some type of inclination. Like when you've been in place for four years and you haven't like moved up in the light, look at it as a company. If you haven't moved up in a company,

Starting point is 00:11:59 and year by year, like you moving down, like eventually, like you about to get replaced, or you about to be out of there, or like they're not going to invest in you, or they don't think that you worthy of an investment, you know, so you go and look for other opportunities. And the best thing is when opportunity presents itself to you, because then you can grasp it.

Starting point is 00:12:19 You know what I'm saying? When you are in a position where like, you are starving for opportunities, like that's a little bit more challenging, you know? So this one, in this case, man, it was a great opportunity with Cleveland. And you know, you got agents and you have relationships that you build with these coaches and GMs,

Starting point is 00:12:35 general managers of the team. Yeah. And that- You feel good about it there? Yeah, I feel good about it because how I view it, like, bro, it's the opportunity. It's the opportunity to impact, it's the opportunity to increase, it's the opportunity to impact it's the opportunity to increase it's opportunity to better myself right you know and I know

Starting point is 00:12:49 I'm a strong component of like like change is what you make it bro yeah you know I'm saying sometimes we need that that shift that part that paradigm shift to like challenge us to put us in a new environment you know. Yeah I feel that a lot man I feel that even as like there are moments in my own life and career where things have been going well, and then there's moments where things feel like they haven't, my perception of things is that they haven't been going well. And man, sometimes I get scared of how I behave

Starting point is 00:13:20 when things aren't going well, or the feelings that come up, the fears that like take over how I operate or, yeah, I'll get into like not as much a desperation mode because I've had some experience with some of it now, but I do get into, yeah, the first thing to leave is my faith or confidence that things are going to be okay a lot of times. You know, cause it feels scary. Well, I think like the fear part is that's what grabs you. You know, that's what puts you in that fight or flight stage.

Starting point is 00:13:53 But when you said faith, like faith is the first thing that you should hold on to because faith is really the things that you believe in that you have not seen. Like typically when you experience pain is something that you have experienced, you've seen it, it's happened to you. And I think that's why I'm always in this position

Starting point is 00:14:09 because my faith allows me to hope for more, to want more, right? And like, and to dig in even deeper, you know? I feel like when you are, like, when you think of a seed, right, everybody look at a seed, like, let's do an acorn. You look at an acorn, but- What's a seed? It's a seed, it's a good seed too.

Starting point is 00:14:30 An acorn is turned into oak trees. You know what I'm saying? Did you know that? That's a good point. So that seed, but for that seed to grow into what it needs to become, it has to, it has one, it has to break. Like that seed has to be broken, right?

Starting point is 00:14:44 And then it has to get rooted. So before it sprouts up, it has to break. Like that seed has to be broken, right? And then it has to get rooted. So before it sprouts up, it has to go down into the earth and establish a foundation. So when you think about challenges, right? It's telling you, like, it's the Lord telling you, like, hey man, like, we're gonna have to have a shift. You gotta get rooted in the real foundation, which is me, right?

Starting point is 00:15:01 Which is the Lord, which is Jesus. Right? That's your foundation. And before you can grow up, right, you is the Lord, which is Jesus. Right? That's your foundation. And before you can grow up, right? You're gonna have some little seedlings, like you're gonna have a little cracks in here. You might have a little bird trying to come and snatch you out.

Starting point is 00:15:14 But through that trial, right? You're gonna be able to turn to this beautiful oak tree and you're gonna be able to be fruitful and give to others through your testimony, through your experiences. And when you view it from that perspective, now that fear isn't as frightening. Yeah, no, I feel that.

Starting point is 00:15:32 And when we talk about like, as kids, the reason we're feeling is that as kids, because we know we're gonna get another opportunity. We know, okay, if we get scrubbed on the football field, okay, we got tomorrow. Right. You know what I'm saying? But as adults, those little pains that we get scrubbed on the football field, okay, we got tomorrow. You know what I'm saying? But as adults, those little pains that we get,

Starting point is 00:15:48 those little failures, they eat at us. And we start questioning ourselves, like, wow, are they better than me? Or am I missing something that I used to have? But as a kid, just like, man, I'm proud of the moment. Like, we out here again, y'all. We live and local. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm here. But as adults, it's just like, man, I'm proud of the moment. Like, we out here again, y'all. We live and local. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:16:05 Like, I'm here. But as adults, it's those conditions, man. Yeah, the conditions change because when you're a child, you really have so much blind faith, don't you? Even if you don't, even if as a kid, you don't perceive it as faith and a higher power, you just feel it as faith that you're going to have another opportunity that you got the next day.

Starting point is 00:16:24 Wow, it's really crazy how much that changes over time because yeah, it's the conditions that change and then it's um, it's choices, it's decisions. Yeah, especially as an adult. As a kid, you don't like you making decisions, but you're making decisions off of default, right? As you get older and as you get more intentional with your work, like you work your tail off, and you got a strategic plan to what you're doing. Like, it's some people that think they're working, but they don't, they're just working off default, like off of every day. Like, I'm waking up, I'm going to work. They're not designing nothing throughout their day to actually have an impact on their life that they've been given. Yeah, that's kind of interesting, huh?

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Starting point is 00:19:41 that has all types of accolades, interesting and powerful in the NFL, what is it like to be a backup quarterback? Like what do people not know about being a backup that some of the tougher things probably? I think that one of the most challenging things is like you have to prepare as if you're the starter. Because the thing about the quarterback is,

Starting point is 00:20:02 there's only one person that you get, every other position has depth, like they have someone else that's aligned with them that's doing essentially the same thing that they're doing. There's only one person on the field playing quarterback. And there's three people, maybe four in a room. So all those people in the room are preparing for that specific role.

Starting point is 00:20:23 That's why, cause yeah, other jobs don't have a backup. Like you don't have like a backup mayor. Yeah. He's sitting in the next room. He's in there signing documents and it's like cutting ribbons, you know, practicing cutting ribbons with big scissors. Right. Or you don't have a backup waiter, you know,

Starting point is 00:20:38 like if your waiter is doing, you know, and he's in a parking lot, he's just running fake food out to people. Right. And just, you know, yeah, this, so that pressure isn't right there with other jobs. lot, he's just running fake food out to people. And just, you know, yeah. So that pressure isn't right there with other jobs. No, it's not. But it's, you know, pressure is for the unprepared.

Starting point is 00:20:51 That's why you gotta stay prepared. Like in any role that you're in, but specifically as the backup, you gotta prepare like you're the starter. You know what I'm saying? That's why I'm always gonna view myself as a starter, because I know like it happened to me. It happened to some of the greatest.

Starting point is 00:21:04 Like you are one play in the sport that we play I was always going to view myself as a starter because I know it happened to me. It happened to some of the greatest. You are one play in the sport that we play from your career being over, from you losing your job, or you becoming irrelevant. Oh Lord, baby. You know what I'm saying? That is the sport, that's the business that we in, that's the sport that we play.

Starting point is 00:21:20 So I approach all that with gratitude, bro. I'm grateful for each day. I'm grateful to prepare. I'm going to support whoever is in front of me. I'm going to support all my teammates. But brother, I know what's real. And what's real is any moment, anytime, any place, anything can happen. You know what I'm in this place. Come on. Man, yeah, I guess that's so true. Do you see other people don't keep that same energy? Like is it a, because perspective is, so much of life I learn is about perspective, man. If you could show up really with a gratitude and really with the perspective

Starting point is 00:21:58 that there's possibility at any moment, that changes everything. You become a beacon, you become a light bug for other people at that point. Well, we call it the light of the earth. So I think when you in that role, it's not your job to see like, are they doing what I'm doing?

Starting point is 00:22:20 Or am I doing what they're doing? It's your job to see man, how can I perfect what I'm doing to encourage somebody else to perfect what they're doing so they can be their best self. You know, like, and I think that we get so much, like, we all compete, right? We all chasing this rat race.

Starting point is 00:22:35 We all chasing something that's greater than us, right? But a lot of times we're so busy looking at other people running their race and sort of focusing on the race that you got to run. And I think one thing that I've learned through experience, because experience through certain conditions, circumstances and facts, that's what creates perspective. That's what gives people that wisdom,

Starting point is 00:22:59 because they went through something. And that's why I'm always hanging around,, I'm always hanging around, you know, like you saw, I call my granddad, I'm always hanging around people that are wise and older because their experiences are, it's freaking gold, bro. Like they've been through so much stuff and they've overcome so many different things. Like, bro, the slowest way to learn

Starting point is 00:23:22 is through your experience. So why not pick somebody else's brain? Why not learn or hang around somebody that's an old, old head? You're a senior citizen, yeah. Bring a couple owls with you. Yeah, senior citizen, yeah, that's personal. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:23:33 I use that all the time. Yeah, get you a couple owls, baby. That's what you need, you know? My wife, she a rice owl. Oh, she went to rice? Yeah, she went to rice, yeah. Oh, wow. I saw, oh yeah, LSU beat them the other day.

Starting point is 00:23:44 I saw them in the women's game. They did, but for Rice, though, I think Rice just happy that they got to play LSU. Yeah, I mean, look, they're a starch. Yeah, that is true. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people, they used to be in a recipe and suddenly they go for it.

Starting point is 00:23:58 Right, you know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying. They actually in the mix, you know? When you get gumbo, you ain't thinking about the Rice, you're thinking about the gumbo. The game is changed. That's the super bowl for them if they end up in a gumbo. Right, it is.

Starting point is 00:24:11 You got to play with Drew Brees for a season, right? And Drew, I got to meet Drew one time, right? So Drew Brees is an intense dude, man. He's locked in, bro. You could see that he, it was at a dinner party. And you could see that he, you know it was at a dinner party and you could see while he's talking to me behind me he sees the whole dinner scenario. You know like he sees like you know uh the waiter is in the flat you know the bus boy gave up on his route early. The strong safety's rolling silverware, the maitre d's out of position. You could see he's got a lot going on, you know?

Starting point is 00:24:47 What do you get to learn from somebody that's that, like a hall of fame? What is the difference in being around somebody like that? I think one thing about Drew is he was very observant, he was very detailed, and he was very intentional with everything that he did. So he had a mission for everything that he was doing. It was on purpose.

Starting point is 00:25:08 So real purposeful. Yeah, so I knew what his intent was for each day because he knew what his... That's how he led. He led by example. He led by showing you this is what I'm about. Either you're going to join or you're going to get left behind. And I think that's why people follow him

Starting point is 00:25:25 because they knew his direction. But I think just sitting back from afar, learning just the X and O's, being able to see the relationship with him and his longtime head coach Sean Payton, but also reading books about Drew Brees, understanding the perspective, understanding that he went through

Starting point is 00:25:43 one of his most challenging times, you know, when they won the Super Bowl, you know, I'll let you look up what happened, but he had certain circumstances, conditions, and facts that happened in his life, even in his NFL career, early on in his career, a team didn't believe in him. So he continued to grow. He didn't point fingers, blame anybody else. He continued to overcome the naysayers, and he set that standard every single day. And when you're around someone like that,

Starting point is 00:26:18 you gain that perspective. And that was a year that actually, I was so grateful for that year to sit behind a Hall of Fame quarterback, learn how he moved and everything. Because me and Drew Brees are two, we are two separate, he is from one side of the block, I'm from the other side of the block.

Starting point is 00:26:37 So being able to be around him every single day and just be in his presence, you know what I'm saying? See how he living, you know what I'm saying? What you eating over there, Drew Brees. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You got him a rice crispy treat over there.

Starting point is 00:26:52 What you having? And one of the greatest things that I learned by Drew Brees is like, he helped me with food because his meals used to look so bad. I used to look so bad. I used to question like, are we in New Orleans? Like, we don't got no chef that can cook Joubris. Some that look better than this. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:27:13 But he was so strict with the way he ate. You know, he was so intentional with everything that he did. And I was like, okay, that's the sacrifice that's allowing you to be the elite of the elite. You know what I'm saying? Those are the disciplines that you willing to take to be in the city like New Orleans and not eat the stuff.

Starting point is 00:27:32 You know what I'm saying? Not put their stuff in your body. You know what I'm saying? Like, no seasoning, like at all. I don't even think, he probably used salt and pepper once. Oh Lord, that was probably on Christmas Eve. You know what I'm saying? They come Christmas Eve. You know what I'm saying? They come with everything, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:27:46 I know, imagine, yeah. Not even, ugh. But no, he was an amazing human being. That's some tapwreaker or something. Get him a spice rack for Christmas. Yeah, for real. Changes a lot. It would, no doubt.

Starting point is 00:27:57 But you're right, that level of commitment though, because also a lot of salt gets into your joints and stuff like that, especially as you get older, it gets, that's a thing that happens to people, you know, I think. But yeah, I guess interesting to see that just that level of commitment. And the amount of commitment we feel like we have to make to ourselves,

Starting point is 00:28:13 because some people hold themselves to such a high standard that if they don't make a certain amount of a level of commitment to themselves, then they don't feel complete. Some people may hold themselves to a different standard, and it's fine, whatever your standard is. But we all have this level, I think, of where if we hold ourselves there,

Starting point is 00:28:32 and we meet ourselves there, then we feel complete. Yeah, I think it's, I know it is great to challenge yourself and to push new limits and go to different heights, you know what I'm saying? And be tough on yourself. But you also gotta give yourself some grace. Like that's where that balance come in. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:28:51 Like you can't be your worst enemy and your biggest fan. You know what I'm saying? Like you- That's how I get, you know what I'm saying? I turn into my worst. Yeah, it's like I'm trying so much, I end up being my worst enemy, but but you being two different people You know, I feel like we talk to ourself more than anybody else talked to us

Starting point is 00:29:11 Yeah, so you got to give yourself that grace man You got to speak life into you more than anybody else gonna be speaking life into you because I guarantee you Somebody else they they care about they self more than they care about you. Yeah So if you downing you all the time, how's that going to make you feel down, depressed, oh my goodness, now I got to do this, now I got to do that, now I got to revert to this versus like, man, like, if I'm like, okay, I didn't fail, okay,

Starting point is 00:29:36 I'm not the only person to fail. You know what I'm saying? Okay, how I get up out of this? You know what I'm saying? Who I need to talk to to get up out of this? You know what I'm saying? Like. Like a lawyer usually. Hopefully we won I need to talk to to get up out of this? You know what I'm saying? Like- A lawyer usually, but-

Starting point is 00:29:45 Hopefully we won't have to get to no legalities. That's what it is. We're trying to stay out of some legalities, man. You gotta stay up out of them. I'm just talking about self-esteem. Like what Cat Williams said, it's called self-esteem. You know what I'm saying? Like, come on, you gotta lift yourself up, man.

Starting point is 00:30:03 You gotta give yourself life. That's a good point, saying? Like, come on, you got to lift yourself up, man. You got to give yourself life. That's a good point, huh? Yeah, I think I wonder, yeah, sometimes it's hard for me to see what the conversation I'm having with myself is. Does that make any sense? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Because we, like, I'll say it like this. Why do we give other people better advice

Starting point is 00:30:21 than we give ourself? I know. It's like, we counsel ourself out because we don't listen to ourselves. So when we not listen to ourselves, how do we expect to hear ourselves when we in this funk or we in this like this mode where we like, we about to turn up, we about to go in to somebody's head.

Starting point is 00:30:38 We mad, you know what I'm saying? We not hearing ourselves. We just reacting in a default, not being on purpose. We not being intentional. You know what I'm saying? We just reacting in a default, not being on purpose. We're not being intentional. You know what I'm saying? We just like a little kid, we having an anxiety attack or we spazzing out, you know, all of us have those moments but the ones that are able to, you know,

Starting point is 00:30:57 look at those moments, reflect on those moments and build off those moments and not let those moments destroy them, like the ones that end up being successful. It's interesting, huh? So much of that war is really, it's a peace talk, which you have to bring yourself to the table. That's the tough, I just have,

Starting point is 00:31:15 sometimes I have tough times in that moment of like, this is how I feel right now. And instead of bringing myself to the table, I'll just walk out and start, you know, executing a plan, you know what I'm saying? And it's not really, I haven't really brought myself into a place of like, okay, how do I do this best for me and for others and for, you know.

Starting point is 00:31:37 Yeah, sometimes that's a thing that I struggle with a lot sometimes. Yeah, man, sometimes you just gotta be led by the spirit, man, like one of my favorite verses is, trust in the Lord with your whole heart and lean on it to your own understandings. I acknowledge the Lord in all your ways

Starting point is 00:31:50 and he shall direct your paths. Sometimes you got to really let go and let God. Oh yeah, the Lord is my GPS, baby. No, for real. Like you have, but you have to be, you have to humble yourself. Right. And just be like, look, I really don't got no control

Starting point is 00:32:04 of what just happened and let me give it up. Let me give it up, man. I know and sit there and do nothing. I should be your therapist, man. I feel like I got you over here, man. You ready to lay down, you know what I'm saying? I can sit here and speak life into you, brother. What you need to do. Oh yeah. Bring it on me, brother. Yeah, you're mindful. Brother. Playing hymn. You mindful. Playing hymn.

Starting point is 00:32:25 Mama Pray for me. What's that one? You ever hear that one? It's a little light of mine. I can still hear Mama's prayers. You ever hear that song? Mama's Prayer. That's an old one.

Starting point is 00:32:35 See if you can look that up. Mama's Prayers. I used to love this song, man. Yeah, maybe that's it at the top. Let me see what is that one. ["I Can Remember As A Child"] I can remember as a child, back in Liberty, Texas,

Starting point is 00:32:59 at 131 Navigation Street. I'm on. At my grandmother's house. I'm on. Got a bit from my house. Always, huh? Yeah, he's a little chatty moving forward. Great guy guy buddy. It ain't nothing like a good gospel song when somebody's not talking at the very beginning. You know what I'm saying? He goes, damn. I'm still here, I'm still here mama, mama praying.

Starting point is 00:33:32 And the prayers that she prays, the prayers that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays,

Starting point is 00:33:40 that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that she prays, that's an old one, I like it. No doubt. That's a- how do you like, if you're going to Cleveland, how do you guys find a new church? What's that opportunity like? Well, first you- I just called it opportunity because you showed me that.

Starting point is 00:34:07 Well, you connect with one, if you know somebody on the team that goes to a specific church. Like this, Cleveland was actually even, it was easy. Like literally when I signed with Cleveland, my dad had sent me like a YouTube, Pastor Vernon, like at the Word Church. And he has a huge church in Cleveland. And I reached out to a couple of friends and like they connected me with him instantly. Right?

Starting point is 00:34:34 So I was like, okay, well I got Pastor Vernon already. Like, so when you in that, when you getting fed like from other people and you being led and you walking with the Lord, like, it's like the spirit find a way to connect you like with the right people. Yeah. And what about your family and stuff?

Starting point is 00:34:49 Was it tough to like, did you find out you're going to go to Cleveland and you have to go home and tell your wife about it? So it's a process. It's a process of like, and it was a very tough process because my wife is like that comfort. When you get that comfort bug, right, it's like, it's tough to get anybody

Starting point is 00:35:06 off their pivot foot when they comfortable, when they good where they at. Oh yeah. It's very challenging. That's me too, man. If I got me a, like a, you give me a power aid and sit me down somewhere, I'm, leave me be for a little bit.

Starting point is 00:35:19 Right, well, I think, and it's kind of like a, especially with this city, because my wife, her family is from the West Bank. Oh, they're from the West Bank? Yeah, from Algae's. Oh yeah, I used to. So her dad from the West Bank,

Starting point is 00:35:31 and she was so rooted, she was so rooted here, had family here, and it was just tough. Transition is always tough, you know, but we're one, and I want her to go with me. She was like, hey, can I stay here? I'm like, yeah, baby, you can stay here if you want to, whatever you want. But in my back of my mind, like, I don't need you to stay here. I got you with me. I got my babies, you know what I'm saying? I need to see you and my babies. You're my primary baby. Yeah, you're the tallest baby. You're the first baby. It is, but it's tough, man. It's tough having to move.

Starting point is 00:36:06 But whether it's tough, man, it's an opportunity. It's a chance to grow. You got to be comfortable being uncomfortable. Yeah. Yeah, that's true, man. Comfort really can be your coffin. I know that. It can get real easy.

Starting point is 00:36:22 Yeah, no doubt. Challenging yourself, accepting challenges, but then there is that fear that comes with it. It's like, how do I manage the fear while I'm doing this new thing, while I'm going this way, right? Yeah. But Joe, he was telling me something, because I'm talking about like communicating with people and he was like, man, when you have that fear, it's better to do than be scared.

Starting point is 00:36:46 Cause you scared, you just sitting there. Yeah, you just sitting there, you just thinking. And like he told me, I was like, dang Joe, like what you doing? Give me advice for, man, like just do. And once you start doing, like eventually that fear stop being in that rear view mirror and you just leave it. You leave it there.

Starting point is 00:37:04 Yeah, cause a lot of times, man, there'll be opportunities and I get so fearful I stay in there like this, like Barry Sanders, and then I don't pick nothing. He went standing, he was, he was cut and moving and getting north and south. But I was, I was just the side to side, you know, I just get like this, and then the opportunities will disappear because I didn't make a choice.

Starting point is 00:37:23 That happens, that's happened to me before in life, where it's like, I just, yeah, instead of just going. Because if you go, you might realize one is wrong and you could get both of them and see and find the right one. When you were growing up, I know I've heard you talk about your dad was your coach, you know?

Starting point is 00:37:41 And you guys all lived at y'all's house, y'all's family? Because yeah, when I was growing up, a lot of black, a lot of my black friends didn't have families like that. You know, they didn't have that family community. Yeah. You know? Was that like, was it popular in your area that a lot of guys did?

Starting point is 00:37:59 A lot of young black men had that? No, it wasn't. It wasn't. And does it make you feel almost like, would other kids clown you because you had that? No, it wasn't. It wasn't. And does it make you feel almost like would other kids clown you because you had that? Cause like when I was growing up, like in our neighborhood, if you, if you made some grades, good grades,

Starting point is 00:38:14 a lot of kids would clown you. They would just, just cook you, you know, for trying to do better. Well, I was clowned more for being a nerd, making good grades. Oh, seriously? Then like having a dad in my life. I'm very grateful to have my father in my life. The sacrifices that he made for me

Starting point is 00:38:32 has definitely allowed me to be where I'm at right now. But even my dad, he loved his mom. He didn't have his dad in his life. But the women in my life, my grandmother, well, my mother, my grandmothers, my grandmothers, my aunts, they were the inspiration. Like because when you are in an environment and I had my uncles and stuff, my mom was as young as 11 and I grew up in a home where you know my uncles and aunts they all in the house and my cousins, everybody, like 20 of us,

Starting point is 00:39:03 you know. But it was it was perspective, you know, because like it's levels to it. Like you got people that are 50, you got kids that are two, you got teenagers, and you got like people that's going through a midlife crisis. You know, so you learning from everybody and you picking from like, okay, I probably shouldn't be doing that.

Starting point is 00:39:21 You know what I'm saying? Oh, grandma really don't condone that, but I kind of like that. You know, so it's a different variety of things. It's a lot of education at once. It's a lot of education, a lot of stuff for you to learn, but when you don't have guidance, when you don't have a father who is,

Starting point is 00:39:34 even if they're not perfect, I think a lot of people get caught up in like, oh, I expected you to be perfect, but you realize like, ain't nobody really perfect. Even if your father, or if you don't have a father, even the people around you, the men in your life, the women in your life aren't perfect. You understand, they human.

Starting point is 00:39:50 You're gonna go through the same human experiences that they're going through. Yeah. You know, so I never got picked on for having a daddy, but I definitely got picked on for being a nerd. Yeah, I never got to ask somebody, you know, because in, yeah. I think a lot of people look at people like, like the reason you're successful

Starting point is 00:40:09 because you had a dad in your life. I'm like, man, do you not know who LeBron James is? Like, he is known for not having a dad in his life and he LeBron James. But like, a lot of people use that because of the, honestly, the built up emotion or the built up anger that they have against another man right you know like it's true like like I think that that kind of overshadows like there's every I think every kid deserves

Starting point is 00:40:37 to have a daddy you know I'm saying but it is hard out here in these streets you know I'm saying like people have different personalities that don't condone a father might be in the house. The dad might want to be in the baby life and the mama probably don't want him in the life or the mama not in the baby life. You know, it's been, I was talking to a man in the sauna today, you know, and he was talking about

Starting point is 00:40:57 how his dad and his life and his mama died when he was 10. I was like, brother, that's tough. That's challenging. And he's still doing well for himself. And he was talking about, we were talking about our kids. Like, how are we supposed to speak life into our kids? He was telling me that he had a son that was 10 and he loved video games and social media.

Starting point is 00:41:16 You know, he had another son that was 14, had Down syndrome. He had a step, a step that I don't want to get on to this man business, but it was a true direct correlation with he didn't have his dad in his life, he didn't have his mom in his life, but he still found a way to make something out of nothing.

Starting point is 00:41:35 And I think we get so caught up in the, pity part is like, yo, you ain't have a dad in your life? Oh yeah, bro, I'm with you. Like my dad ain't in my life either. You know what I'm saying? Oh, your mama used to Oh yeah, bro, I'm with you. Like my daddy wasn't in my life either. You know what I'm saying? Oh, your mama, your mama used to abuse you. Oh, I'm with you, my mama did. Like, but it's-

Starting point is 00:41:49 Now let's take it out on the world. It's like, okay, what are we gonna do? Like, what is the footprint we gonna leave? Are we gonna say that we are who we are because we didn't have a daddy in our life or our mama was crazy to us? Or are we gonna say like, look, my situation was not, it wasn't ideal, you know, but I know through those,

Starting point is 00:42:10 through those circumstances, through those experience that I've grew and I've gained a lot of knowledge. I gained a lot, I went through a lot of pain. Yeah. But at the end of the day, I'm gonna be the one to decide, you know, my fate. It's my responsibility.

Starting point is 00:42:27 My emotions are my responsibility. My actions are my responsibilities. Now I might have certain conditions, facts, and circumstances that may have led to some of them decisions, but at the end of the day, it's still my responsibility. Because when you get out of that childhood, when you get out of that kid stage, and you an adult,

Starting point is 00:42:48 ain't nobody looking at you like, oh, he must have had a father in his life. Right. You know what I'm saying? They're looking at you like, on to the next one. I'm going to grow up. For real. That's what it is.

Starting point is 00:42:58 Yeah, that's a great point, man. I think there's aspects of my life where I've, like, I think I was like a late bloom or two like Realizing a lot of stuff and getting past like a lot of childhood stuff But I certainly feel like I'm at a point now where I want to grow up more in some areas You know and I pray that's what I pray about each day. I pray that God makes me more willing to Advance in some of these places and to let go of some resentments and help like soften some of the discomfort that I have in places. Because sometimes there's

Starting point is 00:43:30 things that are still hooking you to your past, you know? And it's like sometimes it's hard to get, you know like when you have like a you had a boat dock and you got the things tied up and some drunk guy tied the one and he tied a damn Christmas bow on it or something you can't get, sometimes it's like I got those. I really believe we have certain curses that are on us, that were put on us through our family, through generations, you know, of them, you know, living a life. But I also believe in that bondage, that true peace. And, you know, again, let's talk about our faith.

Starting point is 00:44:04 Let's talk about accepting our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, again, let's talk about our faith. Let's talk about accepting our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, man, and being separated from all that bondage and realizing like it is my life that I am free from everything that I feel like is holding me back to go do what I need to do for this world, for me. Yeah. And I know it's tough like... No, no, I know you're not saying it's possible for everybody easily, but it's something we have to hear. And that's why I'm listening to you say it. I'm happy to hear it today.

Starting point is 00:44:33 It's a message that I need to be reminded of. And I think that's why you're even saying it right now. And we're in the same space. Cause yeah, I need to be reminded of that. That how long do I want to sit and look at the chains instead of look out the window? You know? Like how, you know, like at a certain point,

Starting point is 00:44:50 even my eyes are tired of looking at those chains. It's truly perspective. Like we, man, I, so I'm, every year, Black History Month, like I want to learn something new about black history. And obviously being from the South, like my image on slavery and Jim Crow laws in the dirty South is just this gruesome image

Starting point is 00:45:10 of like white versus black. Like, man, they hated us and like, I can't believe, like they look at us, they act like it's not that far. They act like it's 100 years from now, but it's very recent. But I got disrespectful if I was watching this masterclass about African-American history,

Starting point is 00:45:28 black history on masterclass. And when my perspective was changed from all the great things that African-Americans have accomplished, besides all of the treacherous things that African-Americans went through, I started to see again, that light that's inside of me. Like, wow, like I possessed this.

Starting point is 00:45:48 Man, yes, my people were enslaved. Yes, my people went through some terrible circumstances. They went through a rough time, but man, look at how my people overcame. Look at the love, look at the power, look at the victory that came from all that. You came to a world where you were enslaved and now we walk around free. We walk around doing whatever we want to do. Go down Bourbon Street and

Starting point is 00:46:14 see if you could sense anything. You know what I'm saying? It's just wildness. And it's truly- Yeah, I get jealous of black community sometimes because they got the best origin story. Like I always like the, like if you look at a superhero or something, you got to have that origin story. And it's easy for me to like, I'm not going to say like, oh, what a unique origin story. Because obviously I know that there's tons of things that I don't even understand in it. I don't even understand like when somebody looks in a,

Starting point is 00:46:45 takes a 23 and me or something, they can't even, or they don't even know past where their grandparents are from. I don't know what that feels like. I don't know what it feels like to be in a place where you showed up as a commodity. You know, like I don't know any of what that really feels like, you know?

Starting point is 00:47:02 But I do think it's, there is something interesting about having an origin story that you can derive, if you're able to, start to turn a corner in your perspective, while still acknowledging the past, but to have it be one of looking forward. Well, I think you gotta acknowledge the past because that's how you learn, that's how you grow.

Starting point is 00:47:33 But I also believe that when you have acknowledged the past, you gotta think about ways that you can change it. Not think of, like at first I was so into like, okay, this is me. Like, you did this to me. Like, this is why I'm behind and my dad ain't living in a multimillion dollar house. Like, I'm behind the eight ball, right? We don't have generational wealth because we couldn't have generational wealth. Right. Right. But now I look at it as like, man, like, okay, I got this light. I got this opportunity, let me use it. Because people before me sacrificed way more than me

Starting point is 00:48:11 in this part right now, and they still found a way to do it. So it would be ignorant of me to think that I'm not able to do something just because the limitations and the restrictions. Now it is, now systematic racism and stuff. Now it is a system, right? But it's also a victory side to it that you can focus on, that you can like the communities that you build, like you got to surround yourself with those people that are thinking like that. Oh yeah. You know what I'm

Starting point is 00:48:42 saying? Well, the long and if you only look at yourself as a victim, then it's impossible to really advance yourself for anybody. Like if I only look at the part to me that, like if I only see myself as a victim, right? And that's all I see myself as, it's gonna be really hard for me to have new opportunity because I don't have any perspective. I won't even see opportunity if it shows up.

Starting point is 00:49:07 And I learned this, like I was talking to one of my mentors and he shared this with me and it kind of changed my perspective. He was like, you are not what you think you are, but what you think you are. Is that's your perspective? Like we all think like, oh, I'm this type of person, think you are, but what you think you are. Is that's your perspective? Like we all think like, oh, I'm this type of person,

Starting point is 00:49:29 but we're not thinking about the stuff that we putting into our mind on a daily basis. Like what we think and what we set our attention to is really what we are. Not what we may think, how people view us or how we may even view ourself, but what we think and like, like poor, like being poor, like that's a mentality.

Starting point is 00:49:47 Being rich, that's a mentality. Like these people just got, like me, Mill said, like it's levels to it. Like when you are, have a poor mindset, like man, that's struggle. That's hurt, that's pain. But man, I done seen people like with no shoes no shoes toes coming out their shoes that are happier than ever Yeah, I didn't seen people with no shoe at the beach. Yeah

Starting point is 00:50:14 No, I didn't see people with no shoes, man. I'm talking about little kids. Oh, that's you know, no shoes, man Enjoy enjoy. Yeah Because what they're thinking. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I remember I've gone to some different places like India, different places you see these kids show up and they're just living. Man, you're like, I wish I could be as happy as this kid. And he's sitting here and he's got nothing. He's just, yeah, and he's got nothing for himself. Speaking of Meek Mill, man, I got to ask, dude, did he? Or did he?

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Starting point is 00:53:23 Oh, really? And it's a double yeah. Siamese twins. Siamese twins, brother. And they married a man. One of them got married. Okay.

Starting point is 00:53:32 You see that? So I just wonder how does that, because sometimes it's hard enough, you're married. Yes. And if some of my in-law will get involved in a discussion, sometimes it can be challenging. So if you got an in-law, I mean, you got a dang neck neighbor, you know? I mean, to each his own.

Starting point is 00:53:59 Oh yeah, I'm just saying, how tough would it be to manage a... I'm just, what I'm really trying to picture, like, is he dealing with one woman or two women? Yeah. Like, that's what I'm trying to picture. Because if he's dealing with two women, then right on, brother.

Starting point is 00:54:19 Yeah, it's, that is, yeah, I wonder what he, yeah, does he really want to be Mormon, I wonder what he, yeah, does he really want to be Mormon, I'm wondering, you know? Or does he, you know what I'm saying? Does he really want to have multiple wives? I can speak Mormon too. Yeah? I can speak Mormon.

Starting point is 00:54:37 Have you ever been to a Mormon church? I've never been to a Mormon church, but I've had a lot of Mormon teammates and they're the nicest people that you can ever be a teammate with. I would be Mormon. I've been before to like, in Salt Lake, you can go see like, Luther, what was the,

Starting point is 00:54:56 sorry, my brain is bad today. Joseph Smith, yeah, you can go see like the campus, the Mormon campus and everything, it's beautiful. It's stunning over there. Jamis, when you look at guys like Caleb Williams has caught a lot of flack this year, I think more than, to me it feels like just as a, like just a fan, it feels like he's caught more flack

Starting point is 00:55:22 than anybody, a starting quarterback in a long time, who's gonna come out of the draft. Recently they're talking about him for having a pink phone case, or just his, or fingernail polishes. It seems like a level of scrutiny that's almost gone overboard, man. I think like, to whom much is given, much required.

Starting point is 00:55:46 And when you are in a position as he is, and when you reach a level of excellence that he has attained as being an excellent college quarterback, it just comes with the territory. You know, and I think, like if I was in his shoes, I know what it's like to be scrutinized like that on a whole different spectrum. And you have to focus on who you are.

Starting point is 00:56:11 You have to get closer to the people that's around you. You gotta push through that now. Like I don't know about the fingernail polish and the lipstick and stuff. Like this is life, you know. Oh look, we've all been to, yeah, we've had a couple of times, all had a moment or something.

Starting point is 00:56:27 Like this is, look, this is life. Or whatever. I know he can play football, and I know that character is what you do when no one is looking. So I just, I pray that he is focusing on his character and not in footballing everything for him, right? And I know he'd been to Oklahoma.

Starting point is 00:56:46 I was an Oklahoma fan. I grew up an Oklahoma fan. Really? Yeah, I really did, bro. Why though? Because Oklahoma beat Florida State in 2000. That's a championship. Oh, so you just, that's how you got on.

Starting point is 00:56:57 Florida State was my daddy team. So I was just like, I was on them bandwagon. I just jumped on. I was like, boom, sooner ever since then, you know? So that's why I like Baker Mayfield, Kyle Murray. I love Baker, bro. Bro, is there anybody more fun to cheer for than Baker, I feel like?

Starting point is 00:57:11 Man. Baker is a dog. I think he is a beast, man. He will not be denied, man. I mean, the opposition had him at like, it's almost a rap. It felt like, but then he's like, nuh-uh. He out, he out.

Starting point is 00:57:28 And now look at him. He's doing his thing. I know. There's so many stories like that, man. There's so many stories that people just continue to push through, like, you're gonna come out on the other side. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:38 Yeah, I feel like he's one of those guys that everybody, if you don't support Baker, I don't understand where you're at there, you know? Yeah, just that pressure, but do you feel like the media is at a place where it's just, or it's just always going to be like that? It just feels like this year, like they've gone crazy on him. Like who cares? Like it's a young guy trying to be a good quarterback. And like these are kids that they're scrutinizing. But in the common eye, you can be a kid,

Starting point is 00:58:06 but if you're a celebrity, you a grown man. Right. And like, and now everyone's so entitled to say whatever they want to say, you know what I'm saying? And like, and as media, we are attracted to those negative things. Like we not attracted to like, oh, Caleb Williams had a football camp with 300 kids. And like, he gave everybody free Jordans. You know what I'm saying? We not attracted to like, oh, Caleb Williams had a football camp with 300 kids and like

Starting point is 00:58:25 he gave everybody free Jordans. You know what I'm saying? We're not attracted to those. Yeah, Caleb Williams made a nice pasta. You know? I don't know. I don't think he's a pasta person. But I don't know. It definitely seemed he, I mean, who knows? He'll probably have a dang housewares collection in a couple months according to the media, you know? No doubt. housewares collection in a couple of months according to the media, you know? You'll have a flatware line. But no, I think it's like, yeah, nobody wants to, but yeah, we don't look at, we don't gravitate towards that.

Starting point is 00:58:54 Man, I don't think, I don't think like the world, like life, like obviously we say life ain't fair, but people's opinion really not fair, bro. Like what do you mean? I mean like, everyone gets this public persona, but no one really knows who that person truly is. Oh, 100%. You know, like, again,

Starting point is 00:59:14 let's go back to the social media thing. Like, social media has some great stuff. But again, like, I know people that are broke as a dog. And if you look at their social media, they flexing. They like, you just- They got jewelry on a puppy. The puppy got damn gold earrings and bracelets on. That's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:59:33 I'm just like, I'm like, what are you trying to portray? Like we know you. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like who you hiding from? Yeah, you sleeping in my back bedroom. Bro, I just paid your light bill the other day. Why what you doing?

Starting point is 00:59:49 Like don't let my gratitude ruin you. Yeah. You gonna go to the club and spend $200? You can't spend $200 at the club. You spend all the money. God, leave. It is true, hon. Taking a picture in somebody else booth.

Starting point is 01:00:02 You know what I'm saying? They went to the bathroom, they stand up in the booth That is true, it's interesting What else did I want to think about? Yeah, I guess just being in a new place Have you gone to Cleveland yet and picked out a home and everything? Man, I went to Cleveland I Haven't picked out a home yet. But it, I went to Cleveland. I haven't picked out a home yet, but it was like, it was really like eye-opening.

Starting point is 01:00:29 It was like- Because people rip on Cleveland a lot, you know? They do, and it's a beautiful city, but like, obviously when we talk about Cleveland, they say, it's cold, it's going to be cold up there. And when you come from Tampa and New Orleans, like it don't really get cold here, you know? And then it was-

Starting point is 01:00:43 It get cold, maybe in a freezer section at Rouse's, that's it. Bro, but it was one of the moments where like, it don't really get cold here. You know, and then it was- It get cold, maybe in the freezer section at Rouse's, that's it. Bro, but it was one of the moments where like, I'm getting my physical, you know, and it was cold when we got there. But, her name was Julie. She'd say, yo, it's snowing. I was like, it's wet, it's snowing out here in March.

Starting point is 01:00:59 I ain't never seen no snow in March. So I send the video to my wife, and I was like, hey baby, look, it's snowing. And she was like, I am not a kid, Jamis. You don't have to tell me it's snowing. I see it's snowing. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to see no snow right now.

Starting point is 01:01:14 I want to see a beach. I was like, all right, baby, you got it. You know, but I guess they're gonna talk about the code. Back to the drawing board. No, for real. Like, you started all over again. That's a husband's job, is to start all over again. You know, I just hit it with like,

Starting point is 01:01:27 well, you know, this is gonna be our first Christmas where the babies get to play in the snow. You know what I'm saying? She's like, it's almost May, Jamis. For real? We're doing a Christmas hit and met. For real, no. What's that like being a husband, man?

Starting point is 01:01:39 Was that scary for you or what was? It was very scary for me, man, but that's my high school sweetheart. And like, man, you talking about fear, like commitment to one person is, that is fear, you know, because your life is in their hands and their life is in your hands.

Starting point is 01:01:58 So when you're maneuvering and when you have all these different experiences that's coming at you, you have to be strong, man's coming at you, you have to be strong, man. You have to be strong and know this is my priority. This is my love. This is my first love.

Starting point is 01:02:13 Whatever can be attracted to my eyes or anything outside of that, I don't condone that. Plus my girl, she an OG, man. She was really the dream. I was a football player, and obviously I was an athlete in high school, and she was a hooper. Back in the day, loving basketball, that was everything. Oh yeah, that was romantic back then. My whole thing was like, man, I wish I knew

Starting point is 01:02:36 how to play basketball so I could have a love and basketball moment. But boom, God bless me with a girl that can hoop. That was pretty, had all these, the best eyes, like her eyes, and I just stare at her eyes, and it's just like, God bless me with a girl that can hoop. That was pretty, had all these, the best eyes, like her eyes, I just stare at her eyes, and it's just like, God, what you doing? What you doing with them eyes, huh? But like, when I was blessed with that, man,

Starting point is 01:02:55 I was, like my heart was took, you know what I'm saying? There y'all are right there. Yeah, that's us, man. And y'all in the water, baby, getting it, huh? That's in our house, man. We did the wedding at the house. Oh, that's beautiful, man. And y'all in the water, baby, getting it, huh? That's in our house, man. We did the wedding at the house. Oh, that's beautiful, man. My brother in them, that ain't my brother for real,

Starting point is 01:03:11 but that's my life coach. He right there. That's your lifeguard, too. He in a dang, he in a shy, that ain't the shallow end, I don't think. Hey, it's a step. Oh, okay. And look, and we tried to, we had him on a brick.

Starting point is 01:03:22 So he would be level, and he slipped off the brick. You know what I'm saying? During the ceremony, we was like, all we tried to, we had him on a brick. So he would be level. And like, he slipped off the brick. You know what I'm saying? During the ceremony, we was like, all right, man, we know you dedicated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's cheating at the combine if you standing on a brick. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:03:34 I know that, man. He like, I don't think nobody was expecting to get, you know, their pants wet. But I was like, we gotta get in the water. Like, because this is what it is, this water, we gotta be flowing, like, we gotta be watered together. I love it, man. I like that, man.

Starting point is 01:03:50 You just kind of make your choices, and that's it for you, you know? It seemed like your self-confidence is really unique compared to other people, man. Yeah. Were you always like that, do you feel like, or was that something that was kind of built, or do you think it was just a gift that you had?

Starting point is 01:04:03 I feel like it's still growing. I've always been confident in myself but more importantly in my faith. You know what I'm saying? Like I was rooted in the church like old Southern Baptist. From when you were little? From when I was little. But when I actually started to know God and I started to understand like that I'm fighting from victory not for victory. Like then I took a different approach to the way that I live. And I think it's like the accumulation of really who you surround yourself with, like seeing other people that's like walking,

Starting point is 01:04:37 like firm, that are strong brothers, that ain't like lukewarm, like that gives you that confidence. Like that gives you that affirmation to be like, okay, like man, I need to, like, what am I doing? Like you said, you questioned yourself. It's been so a lot of times where I've questioned myself. It's been some lot of times in the NFL

Starting point is 01:04:52 where I just like, man, like, who am I? Like what I got going on? You know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, I had to dig deep and just be like, okay, like this is who I am. Right. You know what I'm saying? Get back to your foundation. What is my foundation?

Starting point is 01:05:09 If I don't believe in this foundation that I built, then why did I even build it then? Why you have to, yeah. I'm not here for no reason. I'm here for a purpose, my own unique purpose. All right, so I got to live it. Hey man, I might try out for somebody. You can do it bro.

Starting point is 01:05:27 Yeah, the Colts might need someone. I don't know who needs somebody right now. What do you think about this new rule with the hip drop tackle? Do you have any thoughts on it? Yeah, I think it is, they're trying to make the game safer. But as I've been in the league, I've seen it trend to be more of a player friendly league.

Starting point is 01:05:47 I think it takes an incredible amount of discipline and athletic ability as people that are actually making those tackles to avoid making that tackle. So I think when you make a rule, like you say, okay, this is the rule, we can't do this no more. But as athletes being trained us to do a certain way, like for years, but for their whole life to just get somebody on

Starting point is 01:06:13 the ground anyway possible, I think it's challenging, man. And I'm happy for player safety. But at the same time, like I know, know I'm from Alabama, we love football. However, if you run across the middle and somebody takes your head off, that's football. Get back up, are you okay? Your chest up, okay? What you say, how many fingers I got? You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:06:37 Okay, come on, we about to do it again. You know what I'm saying? I'm dropped back in the pocket, somebody come and slap me on my head, okay, I want that 15, but hey, okay, like, okay, I see you came to play today. Okay. Like it's just, it's the brotherhood and it's the like, like we warriors out there, man. Like I said earlier, like, man, we one play away from our career being done, you know? So I do respect NFL making this player safety protocol and like doing everything they can to

Starting point is 01:07:04 help, you know, prolong people's careers. But I think it's tough. I think it's tough on the players. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's interesting to see like, and if you keep making things, like, I worry about if you put so much in the hands

Starting point is 01:07:17 of the referees, because there's a lot of people start to say that, a lot of speculation you see of people saying that things are fixed or organized or, you know know gambling is a lot more just in our everyday life now every other commercial is for it. You know I mean we advertise it it's like it's everywhere. So I just wonder if you when you put stuff more in the hands of the referees to and give them one more space where it could be a crucial call in a playoff game next year. What does that look like? How weird is that? When you look at the field,

Starting point is 01:07:52 a lot of times people just see the two teams, team A, team B. But bro, you forget it's another team out there and they got on black and white. And they're working together. A lot of the referees, when you get to know. And they're working together. A lot of these, a lot of the referees, when you get to know them, bro, they're insurance agents. They're not even doing this year round.

Starting point is 01:08:11 This is a hobby for them to make, you know, six figures, for real, make six figures just to, brr, what you doing? Huh? Get on side, you know what I'm saying? But like- I have a mixtape, one dude, yeah, I know they had one video. Some guy, he tapped in to make the announcement

Starting point is 01:08:28 and he played half a track off of his mixtape. And people were like, well, what is even going on here? You got to think about how tough it is first to make in-game decisions to police grown men that are playing at the fastest level. So I got a lot of respect for the referees, but man, like it's a third team, bro. Like you playing against two teams.

Starting point is 01:08:48 You're not just playing against the other team. You playing against two teams because, you know, they have the rules and regulations in this day job, but they can dictate a game. Now, as a leader, as a coach or a person of influence, like you can't say we can't, we're not gonna allow the refs to dictate this game, but they have a certain level of authority

Starting point is 01:09:12 that can't, if they make a call and they're human just like us, if it's a mistake, they ain't finna say, oh my bad, like literally, look, we write reports out of the game, coaches are sending in like, this was a penalty, this was a penalty. And you'll get a letter back, this was a penalty, sorry.

Starting point is 01:09:30 Nuh-uh. I don't know if they send sorry. Like sorry is very polite. Right. But they're literally be like, this emoji. This, this, for real. Yeah, it's like, that was a penalty. All right, move to the next one.

Starting point is 01:09:42 Yeah. And he's like, what? We can't get that play back? And it's crazy. Well, yeah, there was that famous play in New Orleans that happened too. I think this was before you were here, whenever there was a pass interference against the Rams.

Starting point is 01:09:54 It took them from going to the Super Bowl. I mean, that changes Drew Beach from having a dynasty operation in Payton to things being, you know. He's still super-ch Famer. Super challenging. Here you go right here. John Hussey is a sales representative. Has been a referee for nine seasons.

Starting point is 01:10:11 Alex Kemp, an insurance agent, has been a referee for six seasons. In his sixth season, Clay Martin is a high school administrator. Dang, he a damn principal. And a basketball coach. He reading term papers on his phone probably at halftime. Scott Novak is in his fifth season as a referee. Brad Rogers is a college professor. Ron Torbertson, attorney. Yeah you already know it. He's been a referee for

Starting point is 01:10:35 10 seasons. What is going on? We got somebody in aerospace. Uh-uh. Adrian Hill. he in aerospace. Oh wow. He an engineer. They got different careers, man. Like that's what I'm saying. Like our livelihood is on the game. Yeah, it says Craig Warsett is a drill rapper.

Starting point is 01:10:56 But this is, I mean, this is unbelievable. Oh my goodness. Well, we gotta get, they gotta get some guys that are just referees. Nah, they not. some guys that are just referees. Yeah, nah, they not. Man, that thing, times have changed, man. It is. What else, we got Easter coming up, man.

Starting point is 01:11:11 Y'all gonna celebrate? What you guys got going on? Yeah, we gonna celebrate Easter. They have a beautiful parade in New Orleans, too. They do? It's at 2 p.m. I think it's in the French Quarter. I've seen it a couple times when I was younger,

Starting point is 01:11:22 but it's nice, man. I've never been to the Easter parade. It's nice. What do y'all do? Easter egg hunt or something? Go to church and the boys did the Easter egg hunt early this week so we don't have to do no Easter egg hunts but we gonna, it's a spring break this year so we gonna get out of town. Next week. Yeah. Any other stuff you guys want to look at man? Where are y'all going to go up to Cleveland or no? Not now. We're going to wait till it's summer, summer before we go up to Cleveland.

Starting point is 01:11:55 Okay. For the family to go up there. I'm going to be up there in two weeks. Scott Fagita I think played for. Yeah. Linebacker. Cleveland as well, and the Saints. He's a really neat guy.

Starting point is 01:12:08 Well, DeMario Davis, he came. Oh yeah, DeMario plays. I see him in Nashville sometimes. That's where I live at. Yeah, that's where he lives. Oh, it is? I see him sometimes. He'll pop into the same, we go to the same IV place.

Starting point is 01:12:19 Oh, for real? And he'll, I've never said hey to him, but I seen him in there. Yeah. He's a big guy. He's a great brother. Is he but I seen him in there. He's a big guy. He a great brother. Is he? He great bro, he phenomenal.

Starting point is 01:12:27 Yeah. He's one of those men that being in a locker room with like seeing the way that he walks, seeing who he is every single day, inspired me to be a better man. You know, and inspired me to check my engine light and just be like, okay, like what we really got up in here? You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:12:43 What's really inside? Yeah, I think, oh what we really got up in here? You know what I'm saying? What's really inside? Yeah, I think, oh wow, this is something right here. Monkeys have taken over the city of Lop Buri outside of Bangkok. Go ahead monkeys. But this, Jamin, this seemed like a look at this, man. But this what I look at. They together, like they fight.

Starting point is 01:13:03 Look, it's a silver war. It's a monkey silver war. This is real Planet Other Apes, like they fight. Look, it's a silver war. It's a monkey silver war. This is real Planet of the Apes, y'all. Do you see how like assembled they is? That's a good point. Look at the front lines they had right there. Go back a little bit. Man, come on, bro. They got a dang general out there with them, huh? No, really. It's Planet of the Apes. Look, nature, bro, I'm telling you nature.

Starting point is 01:13:23 Look, but they really turn it like it's really like they fight like look they ain't attacking no civilians like they all at each other like this is real Planet of the Apes y'all thought it was a game this is real and look then they going back to the they retreat much more time but bro like do they live there? Do they live in that palace? How do they take it home? Oh my gosh. I've never seen, like, we don't even get that organized. These monkeys was organized, like front lines. It looked like one of them had a whistle saying charge.

Starting point is 01:13:58 Like, golly. Yeah, the monkeys is why, it look like Bill Parcells with their coat, but they really, I feel like they put together, like they got a Rob Ryan defense going on over here. They structured. Miss Easterman, Jamis, I think we got to eat a W for the Lord, man, can we do it?

Starting point is 01:14:13 Let's eat a W for the Lord, man, please. All right, brother. Toast it up, man, he has risen, brother. Dang. Jamis Winston, man, thanks for, on behalf of New Orleans, man. We want to just thank you, man. I think it's been so fun to To have your energy around man. Yeah, just I think even just today It's like you never know what things you're gonna hear like whenever we do a podcast

Starting point is 01:14:36 You know You never know sometimes if it's gonna be just having fun or joking around or if you're gonna need to hear some words that You need to hear you know, So I appreciate it, man. I appreciate you, bro. I'm really inspired by like your story, why you had a paradigm shift, how you a man of increase, man. And for you to be vulnerable enough to share with me

Starting point is 01:14:55 some of the stuff that you be still going through, I think like that has a human element for the success that you have already like accumulated, right? In the work that you put in like when Joe told me you were just in Australia and then you just took a red eye over here just to come talk with me yeah and also have a show you know just what you put in man is you you know you you live in on purpose bro and I'm I'm grateful to be in your presence and and do this with you bro Gang thanks Jamus Winston man Best of luck in Cleveland.

Starting point is 01:15:25 Oh yeah. Your crew gave me this new one right here, bruh. That's the logo. That's the Jabba Wins, huh? Yeah, that's the Jabba Wins, you know what I'm saying? That's in Cleveland color, so dog pound, go get your T-shirts. Wow.

Starting point is 01:15:39 You know what I'm saying, Theo got the first one. All right. You can be next. Yeah, yeah, you could be next right there. Awesome, man. Thank you so much for your time, bro. Thank you, brother. But when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna take a little

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