This Past Weekend - E525 Jessie Murph

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Starting point is 00:01:33 theovonstore.com. Thank you for your support. Today's guest is a singer-songwriter from Huntsville, Alabama. Her rise over the last few years has been incredible to watch. She has a new album coming out, ASAP, and a single called Dirty is already released featuring Teddy Swims. We talk about all of that and a lot more. fan and I'm gonna stay. I'm gonna stay. I'm gonna stay. I'm gonna stay.

Starting point is 00:02:32 There's kind of vibe in today, dude. You're having a good hair day. Yeah. What do you do to it? Huh? What do you do to it? You volumize it? I mean, does that mean not wash it as much?

Starting point is 00:02:41 No, that's not what that means. Oh, it isn't? You don't got some powder or something? Oh, you know, I don't put no damn powder in my hair that's not what that means. Oh, it isn't? You don't got some powder or something? Oh, I don't put no damn powder in my hair. The Lord does my hair while I sleep. So when I wake up, it's just... That's such a dude thing.

Starting point is 00:02:53 What is? The Lord doing your hair while you sleep. It works. Yes, for some people it works. Now some men they wake up and it's just not the, you know, I think it's the Lord missed them or he left them too long in the. I think so. And what's that thing that they put on women?

Starting point is 00:03:09 Did you ever go to the hair salon with your mom and they would put that thing on her? Yeah, they still do it. Do they really? They do that to everybody, not just moms. Yeah, whatever that thing. My mom sometimes like, if it was going to be like Easter or something, she would take us, yeah,

Starting point is 00:03:21 she would take us to this nice place. It was called the Looking Glass Salon. Wow. And- Where at? This was in Louisiana, in Covington, Louisiana, and it was nice. When you opened the door, it had a little bell on it or whatever.

Starting point is 00:03:34 Oh, that's how you know it's a good one. Well, you just knew that they meant business in there. Did you go under one of those? Sometimes I would sneak in while my mom's hair was under it and I'd put my hands in there. It feels nice, no? Yeah. And I thought it felt pretty cool and it just made me feel like I'm gonna be somebody someday. You should go

Starting point is 00:03:52 Yeah, I think you have long enough hair to where it'll like it'll do something to get it done. Yeah, is that your hair? Yes, yeah. Wow I bet horses get jealous. Probably some of them. You think so? Yeah. I hope so. Jesse Murph, thanks for coming in. Thanks for having me. I'm excited. I'm happy that you're here.

Starting point is 00:04:13 I'm a big fan. You know that. Yeah. Right? Yeah. I mean, I love like, I don't know like the album names and stuff, but I went, what was the tour?

Starting point is 00:04:24 I saw you in Boston, I think it was during drowning maybe yeah. Yeah, and was it Wow Yeah, long time and I even bought a shirt and I was gonna say and I saved it to wear if you ever came in You didn't wear it. What's up? That's fucked up dude. I only bought one. It's fucked up, but uh, but that's okay What's going on? How's your day? My day's good. Yeah, I know. It's been a good day.

Starting point is 00:04:48 It has? Not much has happened. Really? How's your day going? My day's pretty chill. What happened? We did a podcast this morning and yeah, Mike go get a massage after this

Starting point is 00:04:58 or go to dinner. You should. Yeah. And yeah, that's about it really. You get massages a lot. I do. They're good for the soul. Yeah, they really are, huh?

Starting point is 00:05:07 I think having somebody touch you that's not trying to like. That's not us? That's not, yeah, trying to be a pervert or whatever. Depends on the massage you're getting. The places I go, I tell them immediately when I go in there, do not. You really do that. Oh, I tell them straight up.

Starting point is 00:05:21 I say. Seriously. Yeah, because I. Do you feel like you have to? I just don't, I want clear communication between me and anybody that's touching my body. I feel like, because here's what happened- Should you be doing that though? I don't do it.

Starting point is 00:05:34 What, getting massages? No, I don't tell them that. Oh, you don't? You're just taking a risk? Should I be telling them that? I mean, I think you prefaced it like, hey guys, I'm just here for the massage. Especially if I was a girl, I feel like I would.

Starting point is 00:05:48 Really? Even if it's another girl, you think so? These days. You're telling them? You're telling them. Yeah, because some of the girls are even so strong and you don't know. You don't know who's who.

Starting point is 00:05:58 You don't know who's who. Fuck, now I'm nervous. No, but I will tell them straight up, because here's what happened. One time I was in the massage, sometimes they have that little chair where they put your face down. Have you seen that thing? No, I haven nervous. Yeah, no, but I will tell them straight up, because here's what happened. One time I was in the massage, like sometimes they have like that little chair where they put your face down. Have you seen that thing?

Starting point is 00:06:08 Yeah, no, I haven't. So I was in there, the lady's massaging me, a guy comes in. This was like at a strip mall in Tennessee, and a guy comes in and he's talking to the woman, and he asks her if they do like happy endings or whatever. Damn, like a client. Yes, and I felt like,

Starting point is 00:06:25 I cannot believe this guy's asking this. And the lady's like, no, no, no. She's doing your massage. Yes. Okay, okay. And I was like, tell him no, you know, I was just like, because I don't know how experienced she is or whatever.

Starting point is 00:06:37 And then, yeah, she's like, no. And then the guy, you know, I think he felt a little embarrassed and then he left. But anyway, that's why ever since then, I go in, I say, and think he felt a little embarrassed and then he left. Uh, but anyway, that's why ever since then I go in, I say, and if, if, if, if we have a language barrier, I'll even draw. You draw, how do you draw it? What do you draw?

Starting point is 00:06:54 Kind of a human body. And then I'll draw kind of like the middle area. How long would you say this is taking you? Like how long? Well, you know, for me, it takes a little while to draw it. And then I will put a big X over the middle. That's what you do. Yes.

Starting point is 00:07:09 I can see it. If the language is, if there's a language barrier. That makes sense. Yeah. I can't judge you for that. Thank you. Yeah, cause I want them to know straight up, I'm here so that when we both, when I leave,

Starting point is 00:07:19 we both feel cool, but not strange. And that's respectful of you. Thank you. I get it And that's respectful of you. Thank you. I get it. That's where we are. You've like had so much success at your age. Pretty crazy. Crazy.

Starting point is 00:07:34 Are there moments where it's like, I wish, because I don't think people realize like, a lot of people think like, oh, I would like to have popularity. I would like to have fame. I would like to have fame, I would like to have some celebrity. But then once that kind of comes, it's real. And you can't put it back in the box.

Starting point is 00:07:53 Do you ever have moments where you're like, gosh, this is a lot, and it's gonna be here to stay, probably. You know? Yeah, I mean, definitely. I think it, I'm sure you have to say, it just gets a little overwhelming sometimes. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:08 But yeah, I don't know. Yeah, because I mean it's kind of crazy. No, it is crazy. Yeah. And it's so different from how I like grew up and how everything that I saw when I was younger is. So it's just like a very different, it's an adjustment for sure.

Starting point is 00:08:22 Yeah, yeah, a lot of people don't know, you're from Huntsville, Alabama. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Since that rocket, you have like the most trajectory out of Huntsville. You think so? I think so. Since that, you know the rocket

Starting point is 00:08:31 that's by the interstate over there? I know the rocket. Everybody knows the rocket. How do you know about the rocket? Look, honey, you drive through there and then people are like, have you seen the rocket? It's the thing. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:40 Did you go? I don't know. I think we pulled over one time. That's the rocket. Yeah. Huntsville is kind of a cool place. You don't realize, I feel like it's the next Lexington kind of.

Starting point is 00:08:50 You think so? Yeah, I think cause there's a lot of odd diversity there. It's like, I mean, I don't know. What'd you think it was like growing up? Did you feel like it was just the sticks? No, Huntsville, no. I feel like that's a city. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:03 But I did live in this place called Athens, Alabama. And that was the sticks. No, Huntsville, no, I feel like that's a city. But I did live in this place called Athens, Alabama, and that was the sticks. Yeah? Yeah. It's like 45 outside of there. You ever been? 45 minutes outside of Huntsville? Have I been to Athens, Alabama? Yeah. No, ma'am.

Starting point is 00:09:16 Don't go. Really? I don't know. What, Athens is a city, a county state of Limestone County. That's where you're from, Limestone County? Yeah, well, I was born in Huntsville, but I lived here during middle school and high school. Limestone County. So formative years.

Starting point is 00:09:29 Yeah, very formative. You know? Did you guys have school dances and stuff over there? Yeah, I think so. Did you have the one where the girl has to ask the boy? No, why would you think that? Because some schools have them, in the South they have Sadie Hawkins, yeah.

Starting point is 00:09:43 Oh my God, Yes, we had this Yeah, anything you want to know about yourself just ask me I am but you had to ask a boy Yeah, I guess I did Damn, do you remember like do you like? We did have that. Oh my god, that is brought up so many memories Oh, yeah Cuz the girl had to buy the shirt, dude. And I remember I'd be at school and it would be like the day the girl was going to give you the shirt. What shirt? What shirt are you talking about?

Starting point is 00:10:12 Because girls and boys had to have matching shirts for Sadie Hawkins dance. Oh, we had different Sadie Hawkins. Oh really? What was yours like? You had to get a matching shirt and the girl would buy it. But then you had to meet her at school and the day the day she would give you the shirt you know she'd call you the night before and she'd be like my mom got a shirt you like all right you don't know what the shirt is no you're just nervous anyway cuz you're just kind of nervous to be around girls and it's like junior high or whatever and then she'd give you'd

Starting point is 00:10:37 like meter for like um and you get the shirt and you were just so nervous I feel like were you like a nervous were you nervous like in junior high and stuff? Like where were you like? A little bit, maybe. I don't know, it depends on the situation. I feel you, like that's a scary situation right now. Yeah. Like you remember the first time a guy had to like

Starting point is 00:10:54 ask you to a dance or anything like that? I don't know, I didn't go to many dances. Really? Yeah, no, I wasn't much of a dancer. Well yeah, I didn't go because I was a dancer. No, no, no, you know what, I'm like a dancer, like going. yeah, I didn't go cause I was a dancer. Like a dancer, like going. Oh, you didn't go, okay. I think I went to one in like sixth grade or something.

Starting point is 00:11:10 Okay. But yeah. Okay, so you're growing up around there, you're not dancing, what are you doing over there? Did you have a first job over there somewhere? No, I did track though, I did cheer. You did track? Mm-hmm, yeah.

Starting point is 00:11:25 What'd you do? Huh, I played basketball with a couple of brothers too. Bring it up again, man, when you get it. You did track, cause track is sort of a, that's me right there. Damn, wait, which one? This picture's faded out. Number 34.

Starting point is 00:11:42 Okay, really? Yeah, and I'll tell you this, Mr. Don on our team, who was the same age as me, people called him Mr. Don, he had two children, he was a power forward. Wow, how old were you? Probably 13. You were 13 in high school?

Starting point is 00:11:58 Ball and sun. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. So what were you doing over there then? Just, yeah, sports, I don't know. What did you do when you were growing up? Yeah, I don't know either I guess. Just like the normal things, right?

Starting point is 00:12:12 Yeah, just normal stuff I guess. What would you guys do for fun in your town? Like in our town, sometimes like when we got into high school we would meet outside of the Michael's craft store parking lot. Yeah. And people would go do stuff. Okay, yeah, so similar.

Starting point is 00:12:27 Walmart. Walmart, really? Yeah, but I don't know, you didn't really wanna go there. Really? Yeah, it was like ratchet. Did y'all have like different parking lots for different like vibes? What?

Starting point is 00:12:36 Oh, like this parking lot is this vibe, this parking lot is more country? Like this one's ratchet, this one's, yeah, 100%. Okay, at our school we had this, it was called the Hick Tree, Prep Tree, and then I guess a little bit more like the Urban Tree kind of, you know? And that's where, yeah, people would like be like

Starting point is 00:12:53 more beatboxing kind of stuff, or people like, you know, ciphering stuff like that. So those were the trees that we had kind of. Okay, trees. Yeah, and then parking lots, I don't think so really. Like we had to go in in New Orleans if you really wanted to get ratchet kind of. Wait, okay, trees. Yeah, and then parking lots. I don't think so, really. Like, we had to go in in New Orleans if you really wanted to get ratchet, kind of. Wait, where are you from?

Starting point is 00:13:09 I'm from Covington, Louisiana. Okay, all right. So it's just like a pretty regular place. You're close to New Orleans? Maybe 45 minutes. Really, you go a lot? Oh, dude, we would go a lot. But the problem was, we'd go over there and get drunk

Starting point is 00:13:20 and then somebody would have to drive home. Who drove home? Huh? Yeah, that's a great question. And that's what our parents asked every time we got back. Oh, it's fucked up, dude. Yeah, it was bad, dude. Fuck, I loved that city. In New Orleans?

Starting point is 00:13:32 Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I've been like twice. Yeah? I wanna go back. Did you go on tour? Mm-hmm. On, was the first tour, Drowning was the tour? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but no, it's such a good one.

Starting point is 00:13:42 I watched a documentary about Katrina the other day you did and now I'm upset Do you remember it? Yeah, dude. My friend was a news reporter during Katrina He lived in Baton Rouge So they had it taken by helicopter every day in the New Orleans and then helicopter him out So he'd be there like interviewing people that were like he's like, where are you sleeping? And I do like we don't know He's like, all right. I gotta get on this helicopter Yeah, what it's pretty sad. That's fucked up. What?

Starting point is 00:14:06 It's pretty sad. I kind of feel for him some, but yeah, Katrina was pretty bonked, dude. You remember it well? I don't remember it that well, but I do remember seeing photos. They had like, cause the water was really high. There were photos where people had like gotten,

Starting point is 00:14:22 were like kind of swimming through the water and then they got hung up on a fence, like a regular-sized fence. And then after the water went down, they found bodies just hanging over the fence. On the fences? Yeah. That's dark.

Starting point is 00:14:34 I didn't see that in the documentary. It was pretty dark, yeah. Did y'all get bad weather? Like that. I mean, that's a bit much. Oh! Oh! You don't have to flash it like that.

Starting point is 00:14:43 Yeah, I mean, I was... We can close our eyes if we want, but yeah. So stuff like that, like people all over. This was another thing that happened that people don't realize. People would be like going, because everywhere was covered in water, so people would be going through somebody's backyard.

Starting point is 00:14:56 They had a swimming pool that people don't know while they're going through the water. No. Yeah. And just, that's bad. Just down in, deep in, dude. That's scary. The whole city's a deep in. So yeah, that's bad. Deep end, dude. That's scary.

Starting point is 00:15:06 The whole city's a deep end. So yeah, that was kind of, I guess that was something. Did they have any tragedies in your area growing up? Or you guys like in the tornado belt or anything? Or head lice or anything? Oh, definitely. Head lice 100% but tornadoes for sure. Yeah. Yeah, some of my friends definitely got their roofs taken. Oh. Yeah. You? We of my friends definitely got their roofs taken. Oh, yeah. You? Oh, we had a lot of

Starting point is 00:15:27 lot a lot of head lice. I think I grew up in the head lice belt or whatever. And you'd see people itching all the time. One kid he was just itching so much at Christmas. I remember he couldn't even open his gifts because he was just yeah. No, no, no, no. Yeah. He get rid of mean, I don't know. You should ask. I hope he's doing well. Yeah, I didn't get his name. And that's okay, you know, time passes and time heals all wounds. Do you think he shaved his head?

Starting point is 00:15:52 Let's talk more about you, okay? I don't know what I'm talking about anymore. No, you've just had such an ascent. It's really like, it's rare, you know? I mean, you've just had such an ascent with your career. What are parts that are kind of scary right now? I think just decision making. I get really scared making decisions.

Starting point is 00:16:15 Yeah, me too. Yeah, it's scary. That part overwhelms me a lot. And just knowing what's the right decision to make and trying to learn all that probably. And is it decisions about what song to do, maybe who to collaborate with, what kind of decisions you mean?

Starting point is 00:16:29 Yeah, and how to deal with certain things too. I think I'm learning and I don't know. I feel like I'm also dealing with, I've dealt with some hate for the first time and that's something I'm trying to figure out. Yeah? Yeah, because I got such a short temper. You do?

Starting point is 00:16:43 Yeah. Damn. So I gotta figure out how to navigate it. Was, was it with the coetzel song that kind of stuff or just I mean That's definitely yeah, that was prominent. But yeah, cuz you had a song with coetzel and people were upset Why was it I couldn't figure out kind of why they were upset. I think just cuz I was on Really? Yeah. Oh, that's a bummer. Yeah. I thought it was really a great I thought it was really awesome. Thank you. I appreciate that. I think they were just pissed it like that's that It wasn't just him probably You know because you know, sometimes you just want a song and it's like you just want that person

Starting point is 00:17:18 Yeah, yeah, that's true. They were pissed. They were pissed. Damn. Maybe people really dogged really Did anybody say a really good burn and you were like, yeah that But they were pissed. They were pissed. Damn, maybe people really... I got dogged. Really? Dogged. Did anybody say a really good burn and you were like, yeah, that... Does anybody... Because sometimes you read a comment and you're like, that's so good. Yeah, I know. I don't know. I don't know. There was a lot of shit. And would it just make you like kind of nervous about it or... No, it just made me mad.

Starting point is 00:17:42 Oh, I see. Because like nobody would say that to me in person. Yeah. It feels so personal. Yeah. You know? Do you ever read your comments? Oh, I'll read stuff sometimes.

Starting point is 00:17:51 Yeah, this guy looks homeless, how this guy get a home. That's fucked up. Yeah, oh, that best. This guy looks like somebody that might have matches on him. That's what somebody wrote one time. That's bad. I don't know why, but that one feels really bad. So yeah, sometimes you read stuff, it really kind of, you feel kind of cooked by it. And you can't write back, because then you're in the trend. Then you're in the bullshit.

Starting point is 00:18:16 No, you shouldn't. Yeah, you should never. Do you? Yes. Do you really? Do you not? Hell no. You've never done it? Ever. You never wanted to do it? Oh yeah, I wanted to. Maybe you should do it. Nah. I think you should do it. You're bad. I can already tell you're a horrible influence. So, okay, so you're growing up in Huntsville

Starting point is 00:18:35 and then how do things start kind of popping? You're doing music, you're running track, and what's going on? You run by the music teacher and just hit some bars or what? No, I started like posting online and then it just kind of took off from there. TikTok. On TikTok?

Starting point is 00:18:50 Yeah. Wow. So do you think that the, like now, like people want to, like do most young people think I need to be good at music or I need to be good on social media, I wonder? Whoa, that's a really good question.

Starting point is 00:19:04 I don't know. Probably social media is their first that's a really good question. I don't know, probably social media is their first thought, I think. Yeah. I don't know, that's a great question. I think it's kind of a joint effort though, like, because if you, the music is the first part, I'd say actually, because you've got to have something there, I think, but then the next step is to make sure

Starting point is 00:19:20 that can translate onto a screen. Yeah. And like in the beginning, were you just kind of screwing around or what happened? I haven't seen your earliest TikToks. That's good. Yeah, I don't know. I was just sitting in my like, in my house in the basement

Starting point is 00:19:36 and I would just like film videos and be singing. I was like doing covers and shit. Oh nice. Yeah. And then one of those blew up and then it was right when COVID happened. Then I was just stuck at home. So I just kept doing it. Just in the basement.

Starting point is 00:19:47 Yes. Oh, and so you just were you at first you were just doing covers. Oh, that's kind of perfect, huh? Yeah, it was a good start. And then did you start writing some like what was one of your first songs that you wrote? I don't even know. I've been writing since I was like 11. I just didn't post it when I was 11, which is so good. Yeah, because I mean, which is so good.

Starting point is 00:20:06 Yeah. Yeah, cause imagine that. Right, yeah. You know, even you get your, even it does well at 11 and then you're like, fuck, I'm 12. And I have all this, it's a huge, like if you want to be able to really like have a career, that's such a long career to have to even get to 30. 100%.

Starting point is 00:20:27 Also, and then you look back and you're like, things you say when you're 11, it's not how you feel when you're 12. Yeah, totally different. So different. Like, man, I wish these girls would leave me alone. That's 11. And then 12, you're like, damn, where'd I hoed that?

Starting point is 00:20:40 It's so different. Some kids are, and I don't say that kind of stuff. Oh wow, we don't have to, fuck. Is this an early one? No, this is so red. This is the beginning, and it's far down there. That was fast. Oh my God, a lot of these look like

Starting point is 00:20:52 missing person photos. This is so scary. You're just, they just scroll through really quick again like that a little bit. Oh, a lot of these look like, like, Jesus. Wow, there's a lot. You were so brave,... You're fine. Like, Jesus. Wow, there's a lot. You were so brave. That's a lot.

Starting point is 00:21:08 No, and it was scary because people would, like, make fun of you at high school. Oh, I'm sure. So, crazy time for that to happen. You had to put yourself out there like that and then go to school, like, if you have one that doesn't really pop. Yeah, and a bunch of them didn't pop before one popped. Yeah. Yeah. But when one popped that next day,

Starting point is 00:21:25 you were like, what's good? Oh yeah, wow, that was so embarrassing. And you'd see the like, where you can see that people would send something. You know what I'm talking about? The little arrow. Oh yeah, the arrow, yeah. That's the best marker.

Starting point is 00:21:35 But when there's like three, you're like, fuck. And you know it's just three people in your school, be like, look what the fuck this chick's up to. Stop. Oh, bad. That didn't happen to you? No, cause we didn't have it.

Starting point is 00:21:45 And so you were like, if you would sing in front of your class, whatever, and people were like, you suck or whatever, you know? Did you do that? No, I didn't. Can you sing? There's one video of me singing. The boys will find it.

Starting point is 00:21:58 What did we have? Oh, I remember like talent show is where you got to do something. That's crazy, dude. So we didn't, since we didn't have TikTok, we had an actual talent show where people had to do a talent. Like you, and that was your one chance. If you wanted, you basically got one tick talk for the year and it was live at night. That was it because it was like, you get up a talent show and that would be it. And people would just, the next day people would be like, you suck.

Starting point is 00:22:22 Did you sing at the talent show? Yeah, I'm singing right here. This is you? Mm-hmm, it's a while back. Wow, different haircut. Yeah, cool, you grew up in the church. You know me? Me? Me?

Starting point is 00:22:34 Me? Oh, the wind. There's no way. That's not really me, sorry, sorry. That's not you? Somebody made this and sent it. Hell no. That's not you? That made this in sinning. Hell no. That's not you?

Starting point is 00:22:47 That is you. That guy looks like mentally unwell. I mean, it looks like me, but that guy is not. Theo, that is, that's you. I pray one day that God turns me into that. Do you have a cousin? I don't know. But if he is, I'm gonna take his life and his skills.

Starting point is 00:23:00 No. And I'm gonna become that guy. You're related to him. Hope I am. Y'all are, have you talked to your mom? Yeah, not as much, but that's just our history. But okay, so TikTok starts to happen, you come out of the basement, you finally realize,

Starting point is 00:23:16 I'm doing well enough on TikTok, I can come out of the basement. Yes. And then how do you start to write like your first song? Like how does it evolve a little bit from there? Do you write your first song by yourself? Yes, I think I like something like made me so sad or mad or something. I think I went through a breakup or something and I just wanted that person to know how it felt so bad.

Starting point is 00:23:35 So I would just like write a song and post it and I'm like, well, he's going to see it. So that was that was my thought process. Yeah, because a lot of your stuff,'s like dang she is a lot of your stuff gives me like bereaved like revenge chick vibes. What does bereaved mean? I don't know. I liked that word. A close relation of friend through their death. Oh maybe I'll use that one. Oh bereaved go down one more. To be deprived of a loved one through a profound absence. Fuck, that's sad. Wow, I'm gonna have to use this word more.

Starting point is 00:24:11 Yeah, yeah, because some of you put stuff in your, I'm like, God, who's she mad at, you know? Or where's, some of it has a little bit of revenge in it though. 100%. Yeah. Yeah. And it's kind of like, all right, interesting. That's the most motivating emotion, I think so do you think yeah hundred percent?

Starting point is 00:24:27 What do you think right? What motivates you the most that's a great question. Yeah, probably some spite probably spite which is just yeah It's like revenge is fancy cousin that wears a tie I guess 100% Yeah, what is it? Oh? Proving something to people right spite. Yeah, I'm telling you Oh, proving something to people. Right, spite. Yeah. I'm telling you.

Starting point is 00:24:48 Yeah, it's like, oh, I'll show these. And then I used, you know, things you don't say at church or say to your grandmother at your grandmother's house, you know? Exactly. So you start to write a song, right? You write your own songs? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:01 Yeah? Yes, I'll collaborate with people sometimes, but I always am a writer. Really? So your first album was mostly your own?? Yeah. Yeah? Yes, I'll collaborate with people sometimes, but I always am a writer. Really? So your first album was mostly your own? Yes. Wow. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:10 Dude, it was so good. Thank you. Yeah. Damn. I mean, I feel weird as like a man saying that because I almost feel like it's, I don't want to say it's music for women because music can be for anybody.

Starting point is 00:25:18 It can be for anybody. Yeah. Damn, were you going through it? I don't, probably, I've been going through my whole life. So I think I could just, I was like, what the fuck is going on here? And so, yeah, there were so many things I was like, um, yeah, I just loved it. And it was kind of weird because I would tell my buddies, I was like, have you heard this girl?

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Starting point is 00:27:27 Today's episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. If you need somebody to talk to, and you don't have anybody, you know, you have something you need to get off your chest or things just aren't feeling correct inside of you or just anything we all need someone to talk to, BetterHelp can be there for you. That's true. If you're thinking of starting therapy, give better

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Starting point is 00:28:35 Yeah. I don't know. I think there was this one song. People started reaching out through email. People just email or sliding the DMs. Really? And it kinda went through there. Yeah. Okay. But I don't really remember how all that happened. It felt like such a blur of time. And my mom also like helped me with a lot of it.

Starting point is 00:28:55 Cause I was so young. She did? Yeah. And is she pretty smart? Yeah. God bless her. Good woman. What does she do for a job? She works at a transmission shop. No way.

Starting point is 00:29:08 Really? Family business. No way. Your family does, your family's not trainees. What's the term called? Transmissioners. Yeah. That's awesome.

Starting point is 00:29:19 It's got to be it. Dang. So your dad sometimes has grease on his arms or whatever? No, I mean, no. I don't know. But how do they get him out of there? What, the transmission shop? I don't know. I don't know. She works, she doesn't like build transmissions. Okay, so she's not a mechanic?

Starting point is 00:29:36 No. That'd be crazy though. Okay. Yeah, could be a little bit strange maybe. My mom dated a mechanic I think for a little while. Really? Yeah, I don't know if, I think she just needed new tires to be honest with you but you know you gotta do what you gotta do. So happens. Yeah things are in alignment. She get the new tires though? Yeah we got them. It's all about that PSI mommy that's what we need filling badin' bad boys up, dude. So I saw you in Boston perform. How do you get from where we're at,

Starting point is 00:30:11 like where you're in your town, to that place? Like your mom puts deals together, something. You fly to where, Los Angeles? New York. New York. Yeah. Whoa, was that your first time ever goin'? Yeah, 100%. I think the first place I ever went was Miami,

Starting point is 00:30:27 and I spent a week there and just made music for a week. With producers? Yeah. Okay. And that was my first time like going anywhere for music. It was my first time like going on a plane, other than for like cheerleading. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:40 It was crazy. It must've been so exciting, huh? It was so exciting. It was so exciting. It was so exciting. And I was, I just remember being so like, oh my God, I want to do this the rest of my life. I like fell in love with it.

Starting point is 00:30:51 But yeah, I don't know. Everything just feels like a blur. Yeah. Like how do you feel when people ask you? Oh yeah, now things certainly feel like a blur. Right. And then sometimes you can't even remember what you were doing.

Starting point is 00:31:01 It's like, I don't even know. You're right. You just somehow like got where you are. Yeah. You know? Yeah, like I kept, I don't even know. You're right. You just somehow got where you are. Yeah. You know? Yeah, I've always kept working. I've just kept going forward. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:31:10 You just have to keep doing it. Yeah. So yeah, so maybe we don't even have to learn about all that stuff about you. I was just, here we are. Do you have a pre-show routine that you do? Tell me about it. Take me through some of that.

Starting point is 00:31:22 Okay, pre-show, what I do. I'll have a Red Bull every time. And I'll put on, lately I put on Sexy Red every time. I mean, you got to do it. Shake that ass for Drake. Exactly. That's what I put on before I go on. Get It Sexy is the song.

Starting point is 00:31:38 Oh yeah. The last song I play before I go on. And yeah, it's really all due. It's not too complicated. That's it Yeah, and what's in your green room kind of you have some candles in there. What do you got? I try to have some candles in there Like a good vanilla one. I like when it like something really sweet probably like a cuz yeah something that remind you of like a car freshener

Starting point is 00:31:58 You can tell you grew up poor if your candles match your car freshener smells. I am that's fucked up Yeah, I actually I I realized that a lot. Like, hey, light up that new car smell candle, you know? I get it though. Bath and Body Works. Oh, God, dude. You go there? Nobody used to go there to get like,

Starting point is 00:32:17 presents for your girlfriend or something. You have to go in there. It's a good place. And it was so embarrassing. Some lady comes over in an apron and she's like, how can I help you? You're like, I'm in love with somebody. I gotta prove it to them.

Starting point is 00:32:30 I need your damn scent that expresses my fucking feelings, lady. How many times did you go there, you think? Probably three or four times. For girls, the same girl? Uh, yeah, probably two different girls, maybe. Damn. But was what it was. I got in there and got out, you know, have did what I had to do. Huh? It did the trick though. Did the trick. Every time it's gonna work. Yeah. My first girlfriend

Starting point is 00:32:52 was kind of like a she was like pretty masculine I guess and she would the school bus would come and my brother's friend it would pick them up first so they'd already be on the bus and she would pick me up and give me a kiss goodbye at the end of school. Wow, wow, how old were we? She played second base, we were seventh grade, I don't know what grade she was, she might have been 40 years old,

Starting point is 00:33:11 but she would fucking, I remember, and they would, you could hear them, the windows would be up, because the driver would get mad, he'd put them down, you could hear them howling through the bus windows. No. Ugh. What was her name?

Starting point is 00:33:22 I don't wanna say it, because. Sorry, I didn't mean to do you like that. I'm sure she's a beautiful, I think she just, you know, some people, she's a late bloomer, you know? No, I actually feel like girls probably like mature faster at that age. Oh, she was just tall. She was tall. She played second base. Yeah. Come on, dude.

Starting point is 00:33:38 This is a lot. Damn, that's a weird image in my head right now. This is a lot. And I didn't hold onto that gate or whatever. She was really, she held me up, dude. I didn't have a choice. She played second base, I think, on the- For what sport?

Starting point is 00:33:53 I don't know, hopefully not baseball. But all I'm saying is was she was a tough gal and I was just glad that we had each other for the time that we did. And that's the one you got Bath and Body Works for? Yeah, I remember getting her something. And she wanted like a lot lot of Atlanta Braves baseball gear and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:34:09 So she did play baseball. Yeah, she really did. You had it right the first time. She played, yeah, she played a woman's baseball. Anyway, yeah, I'm trying to think, what do I have in there? So I'll have a yoga mat. Oh yeah, they're sexy right there, bring her up. Wow, that was a good one.

Starting point is 00:34:23 Yeah, that was fun, dude She's so good and I just got and I I walked in this um If you're on if you're listening on audio, it's just a picture of me and sexy red And then there's uh, I have this suicide boys shirt on and I just got in that there was a room next door I was asking like you guys know where this clothing shop and like the people right next door Have a bunch of clothes and I just walked in there and they had that shirt like right next door to you of suicide boys you ever heard of them of course I've heard of them yeah I just found a song that I really like by them is it called dust in a vase or oh is

Starting point is 00:34:53 that one good I only know one song really and I love it maybe I should dive in are the roads I'm trying to think of the one I like. But sexy was cool, man. And yeah, I tried to invite her out to do something, but she got pregnant. Which is kind of the same thing. Because a lot of women are like, I can't, I have to wash my hair. But she's like, hey. I got pregnant.

Starting point is 00:35:15 Yeah. That's one hell of an excuse. It's, and I know I was like, I even asked my buddy, I was like, you don't think she got pregnant just so she didn't have to go out with me? He's like, you think someone would get pregnant because she doesn't want to go out with me? He's like, you think someone would get pregnant because she doesn't want to go out with you, dude?

Starting point is 00:35:27 You're an idiot. I mean, that's commitment, though. It is commitment. That's some real people-pleasing shit right there. Yeah. Yeah, so anyway. Oh, and then, so yeah, before my show, what will I do?

Starting point is 00:35:39 Yoga for like 34 minutes. Really, actually? Yep, 100%. Like regular yoga, hot yoga? I do yoga with Adrienne. it's just on the computer. Okay. And I'll put my yoga mat in my green room and then I will have like a couple sips out of a coffee

Starting point is 00:35:53 and I'll listen to some FGL or some Boosie and or maybe some Morgan and then I'll go out there. Okay, I like this routine. Yeah. The yoga's good. Yoga makes you feel good. It's actually, how long have you been doing it? I've been doing it for maybe six years.

Starting point is 00:36:09 Wow. So I do it probably three times a week right now, but it just makes you feel, I don't know, it makes you feel pretty alive, I guess. You do like complicated yoga? Hell no, dude. You said six years, you should be. Like Bird or Bald Eagle or whatever that stuff is.

Starting point is 00:36:21 Damn, you know the names for all of them? Whatever that other one is, Hurt Camel or something. I don't do any of that. What is that? I don't know. What does that one look like? I haven't heard of that one. You gotta be a woman to be able to do that one, I think. But it's, yeah, I think there's just a lot of different ones.

Starting point is 00:36:35 So, you gotta do some cool collabs, yo. Right? Yeah. Some great collabs. Pretty crazy. Jelly Roll called you his little sister. What is it? What did you say? Yeah, you talked with him didn't you? Yeah? Yeah I love you. I mean who doesn't know he's the best dude. I've ever met I know such a great man almost just or more of them or if they just turned him into two eclairs No, but no you got to have jelly roll So yeah, too good when you guys made this video, Wild Ones, this was...

Starting point is 00:37:07 Because this whole thing's just like, it's not one shot, was it? How many times did you guys do it? I don't know. You know it's fucked up, I don't know if... Were you really there? No, that's me, I was there, but I don't think... I don't know if I've watched the full video. I don't like to watch them back.

Starting point is 00:37:23 Really? Yeah, I know, it freaks me out, I don't like to watch it. Yeah, why? Fuck, is that bad? I should start watching the whole video. I don't like to watch them back. Really? Yeah, I know it freaks me out. I don't like to watch it. Yeah, why? Fuck, is that bad? I should start watching the whole video. No, I don't listen to my podcast. Really? No. No, that'd be weird. Yeah, and you would just be sitting there forever and then if people see you listening to it. Fuck. Sometimes I'll feel bad like I'm in the airport editing it or something and I'll see someone if they see my computer and like, Oh God, it's sad. The listeners own podcast. Makes me feel sad sometimes, but right. I feel weird. It's like, it's not my business to be watching it. That's a good point. Right. It's your business to be making it. Exactly. Um, yeah. So like, yeah, what are some collaborations? Cause like, so collaborations so far you've had Co,

Starting point is 00:38:07 Jelly Roll, Diplo Polo G, Diplo Polo G, Maren Morris, Maren Morris. That's, That's a lot. People love collabs I feel like. I'm a collaborator.

Starting point is 00:38:17 Really? I love collabs. Yeah. Yeah. Do you prefer if it's with a male or woman? I've only done one with a girl, but I think I'd like to do more. Yeah. It depends on the song, you know? Yeah. Do you prefer if it's with a male or woman? I've only done one with a girl, but I think I'd like to do more. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:26 It depends on the song, you know? Yeah. You gotta pick and choose wisely, you know? And is that kind of the hard part? So do somebody pitch you a collaborator first and then they pitch you a song? Or how does that work? Or do they pitch both you guys a song at the same time?

Starting point is 00:38:40 Well, since I write my stuff, it's like, I'll make a song and I always make it just for me. I never make it thinking about, like, this is gonna be a collab. Right. So I'll make it, and then I'll just have to delete my second verse. Oh, and let them put something in, because they have to get to write their own stuff, huh?

Starting point is 00:38:54 Yeah. Mm. Most of the time. Especially if it's a guy, because the perspective's normally different, you feel me? Yeah. Who would you collab with if you were a singer?

Starting point is 00:39:03 Oh, wow. Would you be a singer, or would you be a rapper or would you be like a rapper oh I was hoping to say dancer but I'll um oh I don't know about a rat if you had to start a music career right now you know what I would be I would think I would be like a country DJ kind of okay that's fire because I don't think there are enough of those right well I hate is you go to EDM club or something like that, you go to like a, you know, even in Vegas, you got some night clubs, a lot of times it's like,

Starting point is 00:39:32 you know, it's Diplo, John Summit, Chainsmokers, all good stuff, right? Love, fun to go to, fun to listen to. But they never have like that, a DJ that's kind of like a country DJ, but the same place. I feel like if you did like a country DJ in some of those places, it would like, people would love that too.

Starting point is 00:39:48 You got a point. You know? I really feel like there aren't enough of those. It's crazy. What are you doing? Side hustle? Well then I just think people would, I think people would be like,

Starting point is 00:39:58 what the fuck is this dude doing? And if it was bad, it's like I'm already doing one thing, but if I could do something, oh, I know what, I would be a Christmas singer. You think so? And you only sing Christmas, like carol-er? Yeah, maybe that way I only work one month out of the year. Show, and when they know when I show up is business.

Starting point is 00:40:18 No, not a carol-er, dude, I'm not going door to door. What is a Christmas singer? A Christmas singer is a dang, a good person that sings Christmas and sings about Christmas, boy. Bells will be ringing, that kind of stuff. That was you. Don't fucking lie to me. That guy was you. That guy was a pervert, man. You sing just like him.

Starting point is 00:40:36 No, that guy's a Pentecostal and that guy's been through a lot. You're fucking with me right now. I know. That's a great, but that guy's had a lot of tough times in his life. Yeah, I would think, yeah, I would probably be, oh, oh, Jazz maybe, something like that. Like Michael Buble. Yeah. Yeah, and I would have like a cool name too.

Starting point is 00:40:58 What would it be? You could have your name, I feel like. Theo Von maybe. I'd be like, oh, I'd have like a name like mystery or something like a strippers name But for a man, so like what so like mystery would be my name. That's good mystery Jackson, but it's for Christmas Yeah, I like it and it would be called mystery toe like mistletoe. That's good You've already thought it out This is all horrible. We're supposed to be talking about you Jesse

Starting point is 00:41:24 So what else can we talk about here then? So you have a new album that's coming out. Yes, I do. I do have a new album that's coming out. And it's called? BEEP Damn, you have vengeance towards men, huh? Not all of them.

Starting point is 00:41:41 Really? Yeah. But there's a couple that really must've just. Yeah, somebody had to do it. Yeah, somebody had to. Really? Yeah. But there's a couple that really must've just. Yeah, somebody had to do it. Yeah, somebody had to. Somebody, yeah. Somebody always has to break our heart, huh? Damn, that happened to you?

Starting point is 00:41:52 Oh, I think it's happened to everybody. I think it's one reason why so many people can like relate to all types of things probably. It's kind of crazy that we break each other's hearts, you know? I know and it's common. Yeah. And it does happen to everybody.

Starting point is 00:42:04 Dude, it's so crazy because like how you feel, your heart, it's pretty important and then you freaking, you're like here you go and then everything is good for a little while and then we let each other down, you know? Yeah, fuck. I know, you're right. When did you get your heart broken you think? Even a timeline, we don't need names. I don't think it was really a, I mean things happen and you like go through things and you see things and I think it's more,

Starting point is 00:42:35 with this album specifically, I think it's more of like a buildup of things. Like something set me off and then it just made me think about everything else and I was just fucking angry. And then that's, yeah. And when you get angry, what do you do? You go to a shooting range or anything like that? That's exactly what I do.

Starting point is 00:42:51 No, I'm just kidding. Oh. I've never done it, but I wanna try. Shooting range? Yeah, do you go? I took a date one time to a shooting range. It's an interesting place to do that. It was, and it wasn't, here's what I realized.

Starting point is 00:43:01 As I get there, I was trying to be cool and stuff at front at the counter or whatever and we checked out a couple guns dude You can check out guns and then here's a crazy part Because like alright, just here's your guns go in there booth for whatever and the guns are just sitting there And I was like you didn't bring the guns in there for us And he's like now you guys bring him in and he put him just like in this little like kind of like a bin They would give you at the airport or whatever. So I'm like carrying these two guns in there and the girls like this is cool This is fun. And then I didn't know what to do. No one had ever taught me how to use a gun or anything They didn't teach you, huh? No, they asked you if you know and you lied

Starting point is 00:43:41 Well, I had impressed this chick bro, and so I'm in there and and I was like, oh use yours first She didn't apparently she didn't know either so well that you're so fine Well, yeah, but she should know dude, you know, cuz women need to be able to defend themselves or whatever. And so I was like use your gun and She's like, I don't know how to use a gun, you know, and then I realized like oh shit I don't know how to use a gun, you know and then I realized like oh shit I don't have easy gun and so I picked it up And then I realized you're in there and there's other people you could shoot anybody if you've never been him What does it look like it's like um?

Starting point is 00:44:15 Yeah, really oh a hundred percent. There's no like walls Oh, there's wall But like you're facing your target and there's a wall on the side of you But right around the edge of the wall is just the next person shooting. Really? So you could literally, like if you hated somebody, you could just shoot over that way. You think that happens a lot? I, I...

Starting point is 00:44:31 You think that's a common thing? I don't know, but I just hope it doesn't. I was amazed they gave us these guns. So then I said, look, I'm going to be honest with you. Let's go back to the front and talk to the guy. I said, I think these guns are- You didn't double back, that's bad. That's so bad.

Starting point is 00:44:47 That's so sad. I said, I think these guns are broken. That's what I told him. That's what you said. And so we went back and like, he gave us some kind of like easier guns to use or whatever. And it was pretty fun. So you just picked some complicated-

Starting point is 00:44:59 I picked like some Sig, some Sig, Sig. What's a gun called, Cig, bring it up. Cigsaur. Yeah. Yeah, it was just, it was fine, but it was just a lot. But after that, I learned how to use a firearm, they call it. And now you know?

Starting point is 00:45:20 Yeah. And you could do it at any time. Yeah. And I live in Tennessee. It's a state where you can- Damn, you live there? You can do what you gotta do, yeah. I live in Tennessee. It's a state where you can- Damn, you live there? You can do what you gotta do, yeah. I live in Nashville.

Starting point is 00:45:28 You can, damn, really? Yeah. I used to live there. You did? Good place. Do you miss it or not? I do, I just moved like two weeks ago. Where'd you move to, LA?

Starting point is 00:45:37 Santa Monica, yeah. No way, you're by the beach, yo. I really like it, but I do miss Nashville. Yeah, well it's such a different world. It's so different, yeah. I mean, Nashville's so. Well, it's such a different world. It's so different I mean that's so quiet. You think so? I think so. I don't think so. Really? I think it's loud Depends on where you live though Yeah, I mean, I just live in kind of like a regular neighborhood. I guess you're in the suburbs

Starting point is 00:45:58 No, okay in the city. Okay, I would get out in the suburbs I've been looking at some houses, but I've just been touring so much and here sometimes that I'm like, if I bought a different house, I wouldn't be able to be there to live in it. Yeah. I feel you. I feel you so heavily. Yeah. Um, so dirty. That's the new single off of the album. Yeah. And the album is called, if these men come around, I'm gonna kill them. What's it called again? Okay. Okay. That somehow is almost even worse. You'd almost rather have somebody shoot you

Starting point is 00:46:30 than to say you were the devil, you know? Damn, you think that's really bad? What, to shoot somebody? Well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, that's bad, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:41 The name of the album? Yeah. I think it's bad. Yeah. No, I think it's good. That's good. I think it fits you. It actually makes me really happy that you think it's bad. Right. I haven't really told it to any like men yet. Really?

Starting point is 00:46:49 Yeah. But I love your reaction though. Thanks. Makes me feel good. Damn. Yeah, you are, you got the dark arts in you I think. You know? And that's OK.

Starting point is 00:47:01 Maybe you were a Halloween baby. Do you have a first single off of it? I do. The song that just came out, the dirty, with Teddy Swim. Oh yeah, with Teddy Swim, dude. He's such a... I saw this great TikTok of him the other day. Somebody was singing on the street and he walked up and sang with him. I know what you're talking about. So good. Find that up if you can. Teddy Swim.

Starting point is 00:47:24 Craziest voice ever. Damn, I haven't even seen this one. I don't know. Damn! That was insane. She just realized I'm out of a job. Wow. Was that so cool? That's great, Nick, thanks.

Starting point is 00:48:29 Was that pretty wonderful to get to, what was it like when you first met him? So crazy, he has one of the best voices ever. Oh, it sounds like he has a thousand years just trapped inside of him. That's a great way to describe it. I like that a lot, actually. Like somebody just screaming through

Starting point is 00:48:44 a fucking wishing well of beauty. 100%. Yeah, it just sounds like he's hurting. Yeah, it's like... It's Chris Stapleton-y. Wow, it is, huh? Yeah, right? I'd say so.

Starting point is 00:48:57 Yeah, 100%. Yeah, it's Chris Stapleton-y. Dude, I went and saw John Mayer recently. I went and saw the Grateful Dad and Company, and John Mayer plays with them. And sometimes he'll hit a note, and it feels like he's trying to find the exact note that will take us all to the end of time or something.

Starting point is 00:49:18 I feel like he's specifically good at that. Yeah, he's just like, he just rides at them. Exactly what he does. He's just such a crazy boy. And then here here's a couple of viet right here bring them up And this is Yon Mare This fucking kid is rich bro full allowance this week. Look at his face. His, how does he even know how to feel all this? I got a game on tour right now.

Starting point is 00:50:02 This kid could also be 40 years old, dude. We don't know what's going on, bro. Unreal if that's a real person and not AI. OK, so the new album, what's like, tell me about it then. Well. Are there new collaborations on this album? Are there people? And did you reach out to them?

Starting point is 00:50:21 How did it come about? What happened? Take me there, Ms. Murph. I'm going gonna take you there Okay, so first and foremost the teddy collab. Mm-hmm. I had this song dirty that I made probably about a year ago today and I posted it and it went viral and I was just about to drop it and then Drake text me he slides into my DMS

Starting point is 00:50:44 And he was like you trying to let me get on dirty. Ha ha, really? And I was like, yeah. Is that a euphemism? What does that mean? I don't know. I don't know what he's into. What do you mean?

Starting point is 00:50:54 Like, what was he saying? Was he flirting, you think, or he was asking about music? No, it's about music. OK. And I was so excited because I love Drake. Big Drake fan. I think he's incredible. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:51:04 So that happened, and I was kind of just like waiting on that. I love Drake, big Drake fan. I think he's incredible. Yeah. So that happened and I was kind of just like waiting on that. And it was like some back and forth and then it just ended up like not working. It disappeared. Yeah, it just didn't, it didn't happen. Wow, that had to be fricking amazing. Were you scared to write back? How long after you saw his message?

Starting point is 00:51:20 This is the question. How long after you saw, okay, Drake sent you a fricking message and you're like, how long you wait to even open it? I don't know. I don't I was definitely freaking out. He's one of my like favorite like just like songwriters. Oh, yeah It's like somebody from the Bible sent you a message. He's so good. Yeah But I don't yeah, no, I was definitely freaked out. I was like, what do I do that? What do I do? What do I even wear something nice to text? I was like, what do I, how do you do that? What do I do?

Starting point is 00:51:42 Do I even wear something nice to text him to message him back? Is that how you felt? I mean, I was like a little like, I don't know what to, I didn't know what I thought. Yeah, I was like, hey, I definitely asked a couple people. I was kind of- No, 100%.

Starting point is 00:51:56 You have to. Like, what do you say to, yeah. No, 100%. And so then you wrote him back? No, I did write him back, but anyways, it didn't happen, but it made me realize that I did want, I wanted somebody on the song. I wanted it to be two people. And I was like, fuck, well, who should it be?

Starting point is 00:52:13 Who could it be? Even though you'd just written it for you. Yeah. Right. That's cool though. I just wanted it, you know? Yeah, I know. He really made me realize, like,

Starting point is 00:52:21 the song would be sick as a collab. So I was like, who should do it? So I asked my fans, I just like asked TikTok and they were like, I got an overwhelming response of Teddy Swims. Really? And once I saw that I was like, oh my God, a fucking chorus. Dude is crazy. So I hit him up and he like did a verse and it's incredible.

Starting point is 00:52:43 So that's how that happened. Um, and then I also have a verse and it's incredible. So that's how that happened. And then I also have a collab with Bailey Zimmerman. No way, really? Bro, his energy is, his energy is strong. Strong. He brings energy, man. That guy is, he's his own fucking thing. He's like almost like a somebody cut a power cable

Starting point is 00:53:03 and it's just fucking, that one that's just like that on the street, you know? Like the city hasn't come to fucking clamp it down or whatever yet, you know? 100%. I love his energy as always. Anytime you're around him, you feel like kind of like just lifted up, you know?

Starting point is 00:53:17 100%. That's a great way to describe it. Yeah, he's a crazy, crazy character. And he just started even playing music, I think like five years ago or something. Yeah, it was really recent, right? Yeah. Which is wild.

Starting point is 00:53:30 It's crazy. What did he do before he did like? I don't know. Somebody said, I think he was in lawn care or something. Yeah, something like that. So it's like, wow. Wow, what a 360. Yeah. Let's see.

Starting point is 00:53:41 This is so helpful. Lawn care is dangerous. Swimms, Teddy Swimms grew up in Conyers, Georgia over there. His father introduced him to soul music at an early age. Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, and Al Green. Swim's family were American football enthusiasts. He had been playing American football for 10 years during his second year at Salem High School.

Starting point is 00:54:01 He must have been held back then. He played for 10 years in high school. Jesus. No judgment, dude. I did two years in sixth grade. Did you actually? Yeah. It never leaves your system.

Starting point is 00:54:13 What happened? Mom said they needed me back. Really? She said they wanted me back. Did you fail? I wouldn't say failed. I would say, yeah, we had some disagreements maybe on the invoice at the end of the year. But yeah, you know, that's what we did.

Starting point is 00:54:29 Yeah, Teddy's so magical, huh? You know, that's one thing that's amazing about TikTok is just how many artists you can find, you know? So many talented people on there. And there's like things that'll come across like, I know you had Maddox Batson on your show, he came on the podcast. And I just saw like his videos and people would tag me in him and be like, I know you had Maddox Batson on your show. He came on the podcast and I just saw like his videos and people would tag me in him and be like,

Starting point is 00:54:48 oh, Theo, this looks like you when you were a kid or this reminds me of you. And so then next thing you know, like he showed up and we had, we went for a ride. I got a Cybertruck, we went for a ride in it. And just ridiculous, you know? And we got to listen to like his first new song. Yeah, he's so- He's such a sweet new song. Yeah, he's so.

Starting point is 00:55:05 He's such a sweet kid. He is, he's always so just, oh, that's his mom right there too. She's pretty vibey, but she's married. But yeah, that was him, and we had a nice time. But yeah, that's one thing, it's like, oh, you can hear a lot of, you can just hear a lot of new artists.

Starting point is 00:55:22 People can break through really quick. 100%. Like that situation is crazy. He's so young. I know. What is he like? He's like 13? Yeah, I mean, that would be so scary.

Starting point is 00:55:32 That's a crazy age. Because then it's like, I don't think you develop any of your own thoughts or real, or not thoughts, but. Yeah, no. He's a fucking adolescent or whatever it's called. 100%. And he's also gonna be, he's gonna be so massive.

Starting point is 00:55:42 Yeah, it's like people compare him to Justin Bieber all the time. 100%. So that's also tough because you massive. Yeah, it's like people compare him to Justin Bieber all the time 100% so that's also tough because you're like, how does he just be himself? He seems to be good at it though Yeah, I really do feel like he's like made for it You know what? That's kind of funny. Yeah, he kind of just acts already. Like he's a star He does he just has that about him. He just fits in like it's okay with him. He doesn't even second-guess it No, that's also a thing of being so young though. I don't think it's okay with him. He doesn't even second-guess it. No, that's also a thing of being so young though I don't think it's like it registers. Yeah, the kids aren't really he probably doesn't really like it doesn't feel like it's crazy Just cuz you're young I feel right cuz also I think at that age you feel like almost all kids probably feel like a star

Starting point is 00:56:15 Anyway, cuz you're like just that vibrant crazy energy. It's just that age. Yeah, right So he's just like nah, but he's he's great did yeah, that was pretty cool I'm trying to think of who else that I'll follow or listen to. Yeah, who's your favorite artist? Who do you listen to the most? Right now I listen to Red Clay Stray so much. Have you heard of them?

Starting point is 00:56:31 Yo, so fucking good. She comes from super-spongebob school. Wow! I know that was you. I fucking know it was you. Yeah, god, they're good, dude. And they have um After when I'm leaving stage, that's a song that we play all the time

Starting point is 00:56:53 They got that song. That's your walkout track. I just wanna be loved They remind me of like the Beatles they remind me of Aerosmith a little bit a walkout track on the when I'm leaving I can't remember what it's called. I love that you love them. They're so good. God, they're so good. They're from down near you. They're from Mobile. No, I didn't even know that. That checks out. They're from Mobile. That really checks out.

Starting point is 00:57:13 I met you like two years ago. Yeah. We met at your agent's house. A and R. A and R. Yep. And your brother was there. Your brother writes with you, is that right? Yeah, he tours with me. He tours with you. He's a guitarist. Yep. And your brother was there, your brother writes with you, is that right?

Starting point is 00:57:25 Yeah, he tours with me. He tours with you. He's a guitarist. Yeah. Nice. So was he like part of some of your, like how did that, did you have to incorporate him?

Starting point is 00:57:35 Did he have to audition or was just like, it's a two person deal? It's a two piece. We always just kind of like played together. Like he's always just been obsessed with guitar and he writes too, he's incredible. But just growing up, that's just kind of like played together. Like he's always just been obsessed with guitar and he writes too, he's incredible. But just growing up, that's just what we did. So it just felt natural, I feel like.

Starting point is 00:57:50 And it's so nice to have him on the road. Is it? Yeah, you know. Why, could you get to do things together? Yeah, it's just like also a sense of like home and family. Yeah. Yeah, he's a real country dude. Are you guys pretty close?

Starting point is 00:58:05 Yeah, I'd say so. You have siblings? Yeah, I got three siblings. They're pretty good. My sister's a nurse now. Damn, wow. And I'm like, Jesus dude, I would not let her go near me. What?

Starting point is 00:58:19 For any, I just, I couldn't imagine. She's like, if I pulled up, I was like hurt or something. She's like, I'm gonna help you. I'll be like, get the fuck away. You really? I mean, I think she's probably educated, you know, she knows what she's doing, but I wouldn't let her. She's got to.

Starting point is 00:58:34 And she can prescribe pills and stuff now. Damn. So. I mean. We'll see what happens. Okay, so what else on the album? And then how far after do you tour? Like do you have a release strategy?

Starting point is 00:58:46 Like do you start to strategize more these days with social media? Or do you feel like you do things kind of whimsical? Or is it like, do you have like almost a calendar where you know when you're gonna put out what? I feel like, yeah, I know. We're strategizing is a big part of it. That's another part that really overwhelms me.

Starting point is 00:59:06 I don't wanna do that. I just wanna put out the music and then step away. You always seem very, on your socials, it always seems like super, just you kind of having a good time, just singing some of the bars of the songs and that's it. It just feels, it feels like you're just at home just doing whatever you want. Yeah, that's how I'd like to keep it. You know, it just feels, it feels like you just at home, just do whatever you want, you know?

Starting point is 00:59:26 Yeah, that's how I'd like to keep it. But you do have to like think about when you're gonna do this and when you're gonna do that and why you're doing, you know, but I hate that stuff. It really freaks me out. Yeah? Yeah, anything that's too planned freaks me out, I think. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:38 You know? Oh yeah, well once you start, and I start noticing too, it's like, well let's do this or do the edit. And it's the second you start to feel that it's becoming too edited I can already tell it's not gonna be good hundred percent or it's not gonna be real, you know, oh, that's a great. Yeah. No First of all, I'd like to say thank you to Dan Morgan and everyone over at Morgan and Morgan we had an issue with Kai the hitchhiker and he filed a lawsuit against us and he made quite a hullabaloo. But Morgan & Morgan stuck with it until finally our case was dismissed.

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Starting point is 01:00:53 pound five two nine from your cell phone. That's forthepeople.com slash this past weekend or dial pound law, pound five two nine from your cell This is a paid advertisement So now you're living in LA. Yeah Wow. I know I never thought I was gonna move ever Really? Yeah, cuz I love where you moved from Nashville to LA. Yeah, I just love the South so much Yeah, and I I don't know. I was never like a big fan of LA, honestly. But now I'm here. And how do you, and first you moved to Athens to Nashville?

Starting point is 01:01:30 Athens, Huntsville to Athens, to Athens to Huntsville to Nashville to LA. Okay. And why'd you move out of Athens? It was just really, like I said, I went to middle school and high school there. And it was really, really small and super conservative, like so conservative.

Starting point is 01:01:48 Really? It's in the Bible belt? Like heavy Bible belt. And I like- Were you with the church? Yeah, I like sang at church for a little bit, but I cuss a lot in my songs and shit, and that was like a really big deal there.

Starting point is 01:02:05 Yeah. Especially when me doing cheer was like really serious, they would like make me like run laps if I like posted something and there was a cuss word in it. I would have to like run miles for every cuss word. Really, at school? Yeah, public school too, which is just fucked. But then like, like the guys could do it, which is fucked.

Starting point is 01:02:26 Oh yeah. Most of the guys are allowed to curse in the South, but women are mostly for more for pregnancy. No, a hundred percent. That's exactly what they were trying to say. Pregnancy and recipes. That's like the, those were like, used to be the big women thing.

Starting point is 01:02:41 A hundred percent. Yeah. Did you have the baby class at high school? The men didn't have to do it. We had to do wood shop or whatever. Really? But the girls had a baby class? The girls had a baby class.

Starting point is 01:02:53 Is that everywhere? Babies and then I think the second semester was, I wanna say omelets. No. Or breakfast, babies and breakfast. Are you serious? Yeah. That's the class?

Starting point is 01:03:04 I mean look dude. That was fucked. That's the class? I mean look dude. That's how you keep a family together if you don't have babies or breakfast. Some guys took it. You were allowed to take it? Yeah, some guys did. Home economics courses often consists of learning

Starting point is 01:03:16 how to cook, how to do taxes, and how to perform childcare tasks. That's fair. That's fair, but yeah, I feel like guys should do that too though, no? Yeah, some guys, yeah, some of them, we had wood shop, you had to learn how to build a bird house, how to build a, how to like de-hoof a horse or whatever,

Starting point is 01:03:32 couple different stuff we had to learn. You really had to learn how to do that? Yeah. That's some Kentucky stuff, right? They had a farrier come and he would show us how to do the thing. Have you ever had to do it? I'm like, dude, I don't even, I'm fucking,

Starting point is 01:03:41 I can barely like, like, we get one pair of Reeboks a year. Dude, if I do this to my shoes, mom's gonna fucking, mom's gonna drive over my legs with her car, dude. How often do you think people use that stuff? Do you ever think about that, how like, you're never really using anything you learned in school? Oh yeah. What do you use it?

Starting point is 01:04:01 I think the stuff we should teach kids is like, hey, how do you be nice to somebody else? How do you recognize maybe if somebody else is having a tough day? Like emotional intelligence. Yeah. And it's so... it's scarce. You don't even realize how scarce it is. Emotional intelligence?

Starting point is 01:04:15 Fuck yeah. 100%, especially I think with my generation. Really? Yeah, 100%. There's just like a lack of like depth. Is there really, do you feel like less of an interaction in your generation? Fuck yeah.

Starting point is 01:04:27 I mean, for everybody right now though. And I think just because of like, I mean, it's because of social media, but like it's weird because we're so connected, but we're so disconnected. Yeah. Young adulthood is no longer one of life's happiest times. People are sad.

Starting point is 01:04:43 People are really sad. That's why though, I wonder. Yeah, why do you notice? Cause you have a lot of fans that are kind of like, you know, you do touch on that space of like, I want to feel something, you know? Right. Yeah. No, I don't know why.

Starting point is 01:04:54 I do think it's because of like, you're spending hours a day like on a phone and you're seeing all these things and it's, you're not meant to see that much, I don't think as a human. Yeah. And you see it and you're like, then your brain's just going crazy

Starting point is 01:05:07 and then you compare yourself to everything. Oh, that's the truth. You know, everybody does it. I think even adults do that now. But it's, I think it's really damaging for people like in high school and middle school. Well, you compare yourself so much. And here's one thing I realized.

Starting point is 01:05:21 It's like, you may love somebody, right? But then if you see a thousand pictures of other that are not even real, like they've been adjusted or filter, then you see those, then you're going to think, Oh, this, you can't help, but feel some attraction to some of it. I think sometimes it's hard because here the phone isn't playing fair. It's like if there's filters and stuff, that's not even the real person or the lighting is real.

Starting point is 01:05:49 You're getting tricked. Right, you're getting tricked. But we're all getting tricked into thinking that there's something better out there. That's fucked up. In relationships, it's fucked up too. Yeah. You know how many relationships end

Starting point is 01:05:59 probably because of that? So many Snapchat. You know how many relationships end because of Snapchat? You got Snapchat? I have Snapchat, I don't use it. Don't use it. I do not use it.

Starting point is 01:06:09 It's not good for you. Don't even do it. I'll never use it. Don't even do it. I wouldn't. Don't do it. Well, I will not. Yeah, but I don't even know.

Starting point is 01:06:18 Yeah, people are, and sometimes, now a couple years ago I would look at Snapchat, but sometimes you would open it up and there would just be like a dang cooter or something in there. And you'd be like. That happens to you. That's such a thing.

Starting point is 01:06:32 You're like, what is going on? Untelicited. Yes, and you're like, what is happening or something? And it would be like, come to Memphis or something. Somebody you don't know? You're like, dear God. These are your friends on Snapchat. I don't know who these people are.

Starting point is 01:06:45 Well, that's the crazy thing on Snapchat is it's just, you have no idea who the fucking person is. What are you talking about? You should, it should be your friends. You probably added them. Oh yeah, then I don't know how I got, I don't know. Cause there's like 70 people that can send me stuff and I don't know any of them

Starting point is 01:06:59 and I don't know how they're able to. How did you get them on there? Maybe when I first started, I might've hit the wrong button. To where you can allow anything. That's how you get unsolicited dick pics. Really? Yes first started, I might have hit the wrong button. To where you can allow anything? That's how you get unsolicited dick pics. Really? Yes.

Starting point is 01:07:08 Well, I don't get any dick pics. Actually, dude, I have gotten a couple of. I know you've gotten one. There's some guys from Scotland who are always doing blow and sending dick pics to me. It's just Scotland guys? That's really niche. They either sound Scottish or they've

Starting point is 01:07:21 done so much blood that they just can't speak English. There's audio. Yeah, there's audio too. On the Big Bigs, what are you talking about? Yeah, dude, you think I want a Big Big with no audio, dude? What are you talking, what are you talking? Just a silent wiener? What are they saying?

Starting point is 01:07:34 What are they saying? Sometimes it's like you'll hear them like doing like little football chants or just talking in Scottish. You're getting videos. Yeah, wiener vids or whatever. That feels much worse. It's more cinematography, I feel like.

Starting point is 01:07:44 Cinematic. Yeah, just a picture is like, oh, anybody could do that. At least these guys cinematography. I feel like- Cinematic. Yeah, just a picture is like, oh, anybody could do that. At least these guys are like- They're putting some work in. It feels like a- And they thought about you. They really thought about you.

Starting point is 01:07:51 All right, I don't wanna think about it anymore. You know, I'm 40 days off pornography right now, so. Wow, that's good. Feel pretty hype about that, actually. I feel pretty good about it. Do you think you will go to college? You didn't go to college. I didn't. You didn't. No, but I've been thinking about it. Do you think you will go to college? You didn't go to college. It didn't. You didn't.

Starting point is 01:08:06 No, but I've been thinking about it. Have you? No, fuck no. Like Mabu, would you go like him? I'm never going to college. But sometimes I do wanna go because lately I've, like when I was in high school, I hated that shit and I didn't wanna learn anything.

Starting point is 01:08:18 But now I feel like, I don't know if it's my age or what, but I just wanna learn so much. Yeah. I wanna like force myself to read boring books because I just wanna know more. Yeah. You know? But I don't know. You can.

Starting point is 01:08:30 I used to wanna go to Harvard. Really? Yeah. So you had dreams like that. I wanted to go, I just wanted to go because I knew it was like the craziest one. Like what do you mean go? Like just go there, eat in the student union or something?

Starting point is 01:08:41 You wanted to go to school there. I wanted to go and be a lawyer, which I would have been a fucking terrible lawyer. I don't know. I hate confrontation. Do you? I do. Some of your, I don't know, some of your energy,

Starting point is 01:08:53 I feel like you want the, you want, you, you- No, I do. You're there for it. That's the weird thing. It's like the songs are like the part of me that, that I'm not, I'm not a fighter, but in my songs I'm a fighter. Yeah. You feel me?

Starting point is 01:09:08 Yeah. But yeah, I know. It's like my alter. It's like what I, you know. Yeah, that's a good point. Sometimes we create, yeah. Yeah, I think when I'm, I don't feel as confident off of stages

Starting point is 01:09:19 that I do when I'm on stage. Right. I never even thought about that till just now. It's just like what you gotta get out, you know? Yeah, without it. I might be a fighter. You know, I could see you doing UFC or something. You think so? Yeah, really? Yeah, have you ever done that? Have you gone? I've gone. You never gone. No, I want to go really bad Really? So bad. I'll uh Yeah, I'll see if I can help you out. Please do, I really wanna see it. You would fucking love it then, dude. Really, you think so?

Starting point is 01:09:46 Yeah, are you kidding me? Find a fighter to walk out to one of your songs too, one of those bad bitches that are in the league. Oh wow, you've watched women too? I watched a woman punch a tit off another woman. No. Yeah. Where'd it go? No, that didn't happen.

Starting point is 01:09:58 And if you catch it, you win like a hat or something. That didn't happen. You win like a extra large shirt. No, I didn't see that. I have seen, oh, a woman punched a woman's fricking eyelash off the other night in Denver. She had fake eyelashes on? Yeah, that's crazy to wear that into the ring.

Starting point is 01:10:14 It's a crazy place to do that. She looked good though, she had makeup on. Right here. Watch this. No! No, no, Don't do that! You gotta use a stronger glue. What glue are women using on that? God damn! You know what? You know what I think? Do you know what eyelash extensions are?

Starting point is 01:10:36 You know exactly what they are? Yeah, it's like a fake eyelash you glue it on, huh? No, but the ones that they do, they'll go in there with like tongs and they'll do them individually No, with like serious glue and I hope that wasn't that because if it was Her real eyelashes came out with it. Hmm. Look at how red it is Yeah Cuz I don't think she's gluing striplash. You can see it leaving right there. No. Oh my god, I think that was an extension. That girl lost her eyelashes. Yeah, it's just that time of year. Oh my god. I gotta go see that. Yeah. You think there's one tomorrow?

Starting point is 01:11:14 No, no, no, they have them on Saturdays. Every Saturday? Yeah. You know what though? I will make sure you get to one. Please do. I'd be forever grateful. It's so much fun. You're right there by the cage. Yeah, dude forever grateful. It's so much fun. Really? You're right there by the cage. Yeah, dude. You're right there by the cage. Is it scary? Is that fucked up that we like to watch that as humans?

Starting point is 01:11:31 No, because I think it goes back. I think at first it is fucked up, but then you have to recognize that these guys are fighters and they love doing it. It's like, yes, they want to beat each other up, but they also want to show their skill and craft. Right, they want to be seen. Right, just like a singer, just like anything, a stripper, anything. Anything, it's like also want to show their skill and craft. Right, they want to be seen. Right.

Starting point is 01:11:45 Just like a singer, just like anything, a stripper, anything, anything. It's like, I want to put myself out there. So I think I used to sit there and kind of feel bad, but now I realize I just have maximum respect for both of the men or women that are in there because they're doing exactly what they want to do. Yeah, here they put it back on, I guess. Or they took the other one off. Yeah, no, the one on the, her right eye is still on and you can see it's gone on the...

Starting point is 01:12:08 Mmm. It looks like they're gone though. Yeah. That's bad. Um... Mmm. Do you party you drink? I do, I dabble, I used to a lot more than I do now.

Starting point is 01:12:22 Really? why? Well, high school, like 17 was just rough for me and I think I did that to cope with shit, which is not great, but the older I got, the more I just realized how bad it makes you feel. Like I can't tour and drink a lot anymore because it just wrecks me. I'll get sick so fast. Oh, you have to take care of yourself so much when you tour.

Starting point is 01:12:44 It's crazy. It's actually crazy. That's why the other day people were ripped. Morgan Walling canceled a show. It was in Tampa. Do you see this? And Jelly Roll went and did a show, which I thought was really sweet to try to be helpful.

Starting point is 01:12:56 But also, it's like, and people are like, fuck him. But it's like, it's so hard. And he's been touring for three years straight? Just straight, right? I mean, I think he's had maybe a couple months off here and there, but not a long time. I mean, I was shocked. Remember he was touring off their first album

Starting point is 01:13:13 and then he put out the double out. Remember that? Yeah, no, he just hasn't stopped touring. So I can only fathom that he's pretty burnt at certain moments, you know? And then they showed him the night before, it's raining, he's singing, and steam is coming up, it was like 100 degrees, it was like.

Starting point is 01:13:32 Also probably a long show, like he probably has a lot of fucking songs to sing. Oh, he puts in a two, yeah, it's like, I think it's a two hour show. Yeah, no, that shit is so, I don't know how people do that long of tours and not have to cancel shows. You never wanna have to do it, but you can't sing

Starting point is 01:13:47 if you can't fucking sing. How much wear and tear is it really in your voice? As a comedian, it's some, but it's not. Yeah, it's probably really different, huh? Yeah, it's more like just making sure your mental state is okay to go out there and build this energy of we're having a good time, you know? What do you do if you're not?

Starting point is 01:14:07 Pshh, I don't know. Like what would be warrants for you to not do a show? Or you're just broad-hogging it regardless? You don't have a fucking choice. Yeah, I know. So for me, nothing really, unless I was hurt or unless something like- Yeah, like physically. Really tragic happened in life.

Starting point is 01:14:23 But for a singer, is it realistic that it could come up to like three or four in the afternoon, you athlete and you're like, I can't do it? I mean, it depends, like, fuck, I had to cancel one one time. I had the stomach flu, but like from hell. Like I couldn't, it was so bad. I was just throwing up, like,

Starting point is 01:14:43 like I just couldn't like walk Very far without like throwing up and shit. So I had to cancel it, you know, you're just like weak and shit Oh, yeah, I hate that dude and you try to open a gate or eight and you can't open you have to not ask your neighbor You're laying on the bathroom floor. Yeah curled up. That's the only time I'll do it But I do lose my voice a lot and I just do the show anyways, I just hope they're gonna sing. Oh, that's why a lot of people go like that to the crowd Yeah, sometimes you've got to do it. But some people fucking some people fake it, which is crazy It's not them singing the whole time. You're lying. No, you didn't know that No, I knew that people have been accused of it. Mariah Carey does it. No. No, she doesn't really. Mariah Carey? Fuck, that's sad. I'm just, I'm, allegedly, I've heard that she does it. Somebody went to one of her shows

Starting point is 01:15:31 recently that said they bring a soap out there and she just lays on the sofa the whole time like in her pajamas no less. No she doesn't. I swear to God. See if you can find any of it because can you even imagine like you're like I'll go on tour but it's exactly how I'm going to be at home and you're just home and you're just on the couch and she's not singing Gotta be singing you're fucking what you have to sing. No, some of my friends just went in Vegas They saw her not long ago. They're like she just laid on the couch the whole time in her pajamas and sang They're like it was cool. But it was also like this seems pretty crazy. I don't buy it It could be mythological, you know, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:16:06 It's gotta be mythological. Have you seen that crab that's eating a gusher on the internet? No, show it to me. Oh, it's cool. What is it? It's a crab just eating a gusher. See if you can find it.

Starting point is 01:16:14 What's your For You page like? Me? Yeah. A lot of just positivity, little bit of tits, probably, honestly, to be honest with you. Honest joke, I mean, I don't know. I haven't been on there in a while. Watch Howie's reaction today.

Starting point is 01:16:27 She remembers. Is this the one that I like? Yeah, it was. Yep. OK. You can have whatever you want. Here's a gusher. There.

Starting point is 01:16:42 Do you remember gushers? You don't want it? You don't want gushers? I'll just crab you the damn gusher. No. Yeah! What's a gusher? You remember! Yeah!

Starting point is 01:16:58 Can you do happy mouth for gushers? Yeah! You want more? More? You didn't give them one. yeah you do happy mouth for gushers yeah you want more more you can give them one oh it's good it's good yum yum yum such a missy girl I thought we should we get to see your gosh, you're putting around give her another one

Starting point is 01:17:31 The buildup is wild yeah, I Feel like we're being fucked with right now. That's the world we live in now crabs are eating goshers It's just a different time you ever had had one? A gusher? A crab. Oh yeah, dude, yeah. Really? Yeah. Oh yeah, I mean in Louisiana we had a lot of crabs. Y'all been having Huntsville?

Starting point is 01:17:53 No. No. Hush puppies. I did have one. That's the Huntsville thing, it is a hush puppy? No, what is that? A hush puppy. Oh, like the food?

Starting point is 01:18:01 Yeah, it's like a little. That's not a Huntsville thing. That's an everywhere thing though. Is it? Is it? I just, they were really normal. I thought a hush puppy was from, like the food? Yeah, it's like a little. That's not a Huntsville thing. That's an everywhere thing though. Is it? Is it? I just, they were really normal. I thought a hush puppy was from Huntsville, Alabama. Is it actually?

Starting point is 01:18:10 Look at it, where's the home of hush? Where did hush puppies get started? There's no way. Do you like them? Hush puppy? Yeah, I like the ones that are a little sweeter. Ah. But I don't like the ones that have like jalapenos in them.

Starting point is 01:18:23 You don't like jalapenos? I like them, but I don't like them in a hush puppy. Are you- do you like spicy food a lot? Yeah, I don't mind it. But I'll fucking get weird if it gets weird. It appears that it originated with Native Americans. In Southern cuisine, can we say- find out where? I thought it was in damn Huntsville, Alabama.

Starting point is 01:18:42 You ever had like a ghost pepper? My mom lied. I don't know if I have. Is it cool? damn Huntsville Alabama. You ever had like a ghost pepper? My mom lied. I don't know if I have, is it cool? I've never had one. All right, damn girl. Hey, we ain't gonna force you on you, girl. Oh, did you see that white horse that they have? Where?

Starting point is 01:18:59 This is an animal I could see you having. Where? It's the fanciest horse they have, the most expensive horse in the world. Are you serious? Yeah, well this horse Because it was elected the most beautiful horse in the world Because of its coat. It's a coat that is somewhat silvery Wow you can see here Wow It's just magnificent and it comes from a lineage of race horses with a great track record

Starting point is 01:19:24 It's just magnificent and it comes from a lineage of race horses with a great track record So it's for these two reasons that at auction it went for over 50 million dollars Holy shit, there's no way 50 million for a horse. Well, if no just magnificent 50 million I'd pet that thing all night. Do you like horses? I like them, but I think they gotta like you, you know? They have to like you. But that's expensive. Dude, I remember the first time I ever stayed in an expensive hotel room, I was afraid to even go to sleep. I was like, dude, this is like 600 bucks a night, dude. I ain't sleeping.

Starting point is 01:19:53 You didn't sleep? No, I understand. I'm not wasting the money. So you just stayed up. Oh, you close your eyes. That's $11, dude. It's like, I'm definitely gonna get my money's worth. I know exactly what you're talking about.

Starting point is 01:20:04 It's so crazy sometimes. You know exactly what you're talking about. It's so crazy sometimes. Do you guys ever get stopped by the police in your tour bus? I don't think so. No, only border crossings and shit. Yeah, to Canada? Yeah, you ever got in trouble?

Starting point is 01:20:15 You go on a tour bus? We do tour bus and sometimes, yeah, sometimes we fly, but we'll do tour bus a lot. Have you ever had any good run-ins with the police? No, I mean, shit like getting like chased like in high school. Yeah. Like for trespassing and stuff. Oh, dude, we had this guy, he got so high, right?

Starting point is 01:20:36 He fucking called, he couldn't feel his arms. He said he's like, he said he didn't have any arms or whatever. Oh wait, and he called the police? Huh? He said he didn't have any arms. Starts yelling, bro, uh, for people to call the police. So the fucking police come. He started, he said these people, I think he was on, I don't know, some type of drugs. He's like, these guys stole my arms, dude, right?

Starting point is 01:20:54 Fucking goes like that towards us. Towards you? Yeah, and here's the dumbest part. Oh, no. The dumbest part, the cop comes over and goes like this, like we have his arms. The motherfucker has his arms on him. This didn't happen. Yeah, oh, I swear to this, like we have his arms. The motherfucker has his arms on him. This didn't happen. Yeah, well I swear to God, the guy was super high.

Starting point is 01:21:08 Dude, one night my buddy Billy invites me over. He was working at a gas station all night. He invites me over there. We smoke a little bit of weed. I went outside. I don't know if I wanted to get someone in my car or something. He felt so high. He thought that I poisoned him, right?

Starting point is 01:21:24 He locks himself in the gas station, calls the police. No. Yeah. Cause he thought you poisoned him. Yeah, so I was like, I'm fucking out of here, right? Did you go? You ran? I left, yeah, I didn't do anything. And then the cops show up and like- And he's just high?

Starting point is 01:21:37 Yeah, he's just high inside the gas station, so. Where was this at? This was in Madisonville, Louisiana, beautiful area. Is weed illegal there? I don't know if it's illegal or not, but it's not that good a weed. Do you have a opener on your new tour? Is that even put together yet, or you don't know? No, I'm thinking about people.

Starting point is 01:21:55 You got any ideas? I know you got ideas. I'm gonna think of something and let you know. What kind of stuff do you like? I know you had Charlie on Friday on one of your tours. Yeah. And who was on your last tour? Shibuzy and... Oh, I just met him the other day.

Starting point is 01:22:12 Character, right? Yeah. Yeah. Him and Matt Schmuster. Ooh, I don't know. I'm not familiar with him. Yo, you would like his show. He has a crazy voice.

Starting point is 01:22:23 Matt Schmuster? Yeah. Fuck, I might be saying that wrong, but I, yeah, crazy. Matt Schuster? Yeah, oh fuck, Schuster. It's a crazy last name, to be fair, but no, crazy voice. Wow, so you were closing the show?

Starting point is 01:22:40 Yeah. Yeah. And Shaboosie was, and that's when he was really blowing up, right? This was like two months ago, maybe? Wow. Yeah. Yeah. And Shabuzy was, and that's when he was really blowing up, right? This was like, like two months ago, maybe? Wow.

Starting point is 01:22:49 This was right before like he went crazy. That must have been kind of crazy. It was crazy. It's been so sick seeing him like go crazy. Yeah. Yeah, it's unbelievable. He has another song out there now that people are vibing to. I don't know what it is though.

Starting point is 01:23:03 He's got a couple, the album was so fucking good. fucking good. I gotta listen to more of it. You gotta listen I know you like sad stuff, huh? Don't tell anyone Yeah, his song was Noah Cyrus, I feel like you'd like Oh Did I meet her I'm at Brandy Cyrus the other day that's the mom no Brandy's one of the children I think oh really is Noah a child of it? Noah Cyrus?

Starting point is 01:23:29 She's so good. Did I meet her? No, she's pretty. Brandy I met. Yeah, that's a, oh, there's a huge Ron. Wait, Brandy. Who's damn Ron Cyrus? I didn't even know he was.

Starting point is 01:23:41 That's a big family right there. Yeah, that's a lot of family. Um, so you're thinking of people now How does that work? You just pick somebody? No, yeah, dude But I'm sure a lot of agents submit people through a like what about this guy? Yeah, and you have to listen do you feel like you have pressure to listen to any of that? It depends on ticket sales. Like if you if you like sell out then you can pick whoever you want Is your tour on sale yet? No, I haven't announced it yet. It'll sell out.

Starting point is 01:24:07 I hope so, I'm really excited. I'll be doing my first Arena show, which is really sick. Oh, that's crazy. I'm really excited about it. Yeah dude, some of your songs, they were like, yeah, some of them are so great. I don't wanna sing them because I don't want people to think I'm that weird anymore.

Starting point is 01:24:29 Which ones do you know? Oh, let me think. There was a song, oh, What Happened to Ryan, that song. I remember that was kind of a, it was like kind of strange but I was like, oh, this one's fucking kind of crazy. Sad. Yeah, sad. Any of the sad shit, I was there for it.

Starting point is 01:24:44 Damn, I gotta send you a playlist. the sad shit I was there for it damn I gotta send you a playlist of sad shit I'm already on pills and shit man I don't want to fuck in I don't want this to be how it ends you know fuck I'm not gonna call for music that'll be your next album you know that's a crazy thought dude there's a video there was like a church or something they were doing a and whoever was doing the audiovisual accidentally played a played a Played a song or played a clip of mine. See if you find that Nick

Starting point is 01:25:16 I don't want to keep you too long. Just uh, so yeah, tell me something else before you leave anything Oh, do you ever have any pets growing up? What was that like? I did have a crab. Oh, you did? And it died. And I killed it on accident. Nah.

Starting point is 01:25:32 Yeah, and let me tell you how it happened. So I had a crab. Just one? Yes. Okay. Its name was Bubbles and then it had a shell. And you know when you go to the beach, you ever been to Orange Beach?

Starting point is 01:25:42 Oh yeah. Right? Good time, huh? Great-hmm, great time, dude. So I got it there and it had a shell. But you know how they have like the painted shells? You can buy different shells. Oh really? And what do you get them done at like a salon or whatever? No, they just have them.

Starting point is 01:25:56 Somebody else has done them already. Oh, and you put it on your crab? You're not supposed to, apparently. So I get the shell and I didn't, it had like a bad one on, so I took it out. And I tried to put it into the new shell and it just wouldn't, and then it died.

Starting point is 01:26:10 That was it. Yeah, I haven't had pets since then. No. Should I get another one? I'm trying to think, if you're trying to get something, you know what you're thinking about getting. I probably shouldn't do a crab again. It probably raps.

Starting point is 01:26:22 Feed it a gosher, dude, if you do. You think so? You know they like them, girl, get those fucking valentines. That was a gusher dude if you do. You think so? You know they like them girl, get those fucking valentines. That was a big crab, that's fucking crazy. You can walk that thing. I'll fucking watch one of them bitches eat a nerd rope homie. I don't give a fuck dog.

Starting point is 01:26:35 Next time I see you I'm gonna bring you a crab. I'll give a damn twizzler to a dolphin. No, do not bring me a damn crab dude. Play this video right here, this is at a church. Would you keep it? Think you want to kick a fat kid in K-market. I played that on accident at church. That's at a funeral? That's at a funeral.

Starting point is 01:26:58 Oh, they were leading prayer. Think you want to kick a fat kid in K-market. Can you imagine you're in a fucking church? That can't be real. They all said amen, and somebody played that on accident. That's fucked up. That might be my favorite clip I've seen all day. Oh, amen.

Starting point is 01:27:14 I like that. Look at this. You see this whale return somebody's phone. They dropped it in the water. That's a whale. It's a beluga whale. Right? Wow.

Starting point is 01:27:24 It's like a trans dolphin or whatever. Do you know about sea world? Yeah, I've heard about it. You know about the dolphins? Mm-mm. Have you ever heard about dolphin births? Mm-mm. Like people can, I don't know if this is safe,

Starting point is 01:27:35 but people can give birth and the dolphins deliver your baby for you. It's like a real thing. What do you mean? You've never heard of that? How could I ever heard of it? Cause's not even something it no it is something I promise you you what do you say Like a midwife that's a doll. Yes. I swear it's a thing unless I'm confused But I really think this and where do you do it in the deep end or whatever was this at a Hampton Inn? This isn't that thing that happened in um

Starting point is 01:27:59 Outside of Waco was it it could have been no I think it's a thing. It's an option It's an option at SeaWorld. No Look, it's a real thing. I've never seen this. Oh my god. That thing's a pervert. You get it No woman's married somebody tell that dolphin Dolphin assisted birth a newer take on water births is apparently a trend growing in popularity A newer take on water births is apparently a trend growing in popularity. The Sirius Institute in Hawaii, a new age center dedicated to encouraging the bonds between dolphins and humans, often assisted childbirth. However, it's unclear if any women have actually gone through with it.

Starting point is 01:28:35 One couple from North Carolina traveled to the center for prenatal bonding, but the actual birth with dolphins didn't happen. Wow. Somebody's had to do it though, if it's a trending thing. According to a website, pioneering Russian midwife, Igor Sharkarovsky began assisting births in the Black Sea with dolphins that live there. Some of the reported occurrences included a mother and a baby playing with the dolphin

Starting point is 01:29:00 within 45 minutes of the birth. Another instance of a free dolphin escorting a newborn human baby to the surface for its first breath. So it comes out underwater. Bro, let me tell you this. If my baby is born, I'm not giving it to a fucking dolphin dude for even 30 seconds.

Starting point is 01:29:23 What if it swims off with it? That's a crazy thought. No, I think you have to do it. But then you're like, oh, it didn't work or what? How are you gonna tell your wife? It eats your baby or it just eats your baby. Oh. That's a fucked up thought. But this is a thing though.

Starting point is 01:29:37 They said it's therapeutic. You know what's also therapeutic? Taking the child home safely and feeding him and probably homeschooling him and Making sure that your home is protected with a ring camera. I mean Like how weird people get too weird dude somebody in LA is definitely some pervert somebody You know, it's probably done that. Yeah one of your friends. I don't Some pervert. Somebody you know has probably done that.

Starting point is 01:30:02 Yeah. One of your friends. I don't have friends. One of your friends has probably done that. Jesse Murph, I don't have friends. You should talk to them. Do you have any new mentors that have come into your life through, like, sometimes you meet some of your favorites

Starting point is 01:30:18 and you meet any of them that kind of, like has Madonna spoken to you? No. That would be wild though. I don't know. There are people I look up to a lot that I know like communication, like Adele. I fucking love Adele. Really?

Starting point is 01:30:34 I look up to her so much. Yeah, I think she's incredible. Yeah, she's magical, huh? She's magical. You seen her live? No, I've seen her in person somewhere, but I've never seen her live. Really?

Starting point is 01:30:45 I wanna see it really bad. Yeah. Did you ever perform right after at a venue as her, or anything like that? No, I performed in some of the same venues, maybe. Cause I mean, she went on like smaller tours earlier in her career, I think. But no, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:30:59 She plays in Vegas a lot, I think. Yeah. I don't know, but. Did she ever reach out? No, but I don't know how this Did she ever reach out? No but I don't know how this happened but she like signed a set list. Somebody got it for me for my birthday. I think it was just a somebody was like can you please do this? She probably did it but I don't know it's on my wall and it's my favorite

Starting point is 01:31:17 thing I own. Really? Oh. Yeah. What about you? Um let me think if somebody gave me something that was real nice one time. Um, the guy that's in Better Call Saul one time, I think I was performing somewhere after him and he left me a nice note. What'd he say? He said, have fun. I was just here. Wow. You have it on your wall?

Starting point is 01:31:44 Nope. Bob Odenkirk, but he wrote it, signed it. Thought it was pretty nice of him. That's special. What do I have that's something that's real special? Yeah, what's the best gift you've ever received? Or so what's something that if you could only hang one thing on your wall, what are you hanging? Oh, that's such a good question. One thing.

Starting point is 01:32:06 I don't know. I can't even answer it, I don't think. It's a crazy question. There's a nice piece of art my friend painted, like it was the first piece of art I ever got, and maybe I would hang that there, I guess. What does it look like? It's just a picture of Chris Farley.

Starting point is 01:32:20 Who's that? He's a comedian. He was in a movie called Tommy Boy. Black Sheep. He's like a famous actor, that's him. He died though. I've seen him somewhere. Yeah, he used to do like, he did films like Adam Sandler, David Spade.

Starting point is 01:32:38 He was on Saturday Night Live. He did like Fat Guy in a Little Coat. He used to do like all kinds of like sketches and shit. I know I've seen him somewhere. Yeah, yeah, you've seen him. He was unbelievably famous. He was the most famous guy that they ever had. I mean, look at him.

Starting point is 01:32:52 He's... Oh, wow. What movie is this? He's fucking... No, this is him just going on a talk show. Oh, fuck, obviously, fuck. Wow, wow. Yeah, dude.

Starting point is 01:33:10 My friend said he would just puke, like my buddy would go over to his place sometimes and he's like, he would just puke on the side of his bed and then just like, between like the wall and the bed all the time. For why? Just to party, just to be like that. Dude, my friend Jeff, so you ever heard that song?

Starting point is 01:33:25 It's an old song, it's like, you gotta keep them separated. No, wait, maybe, keep going. Are you talking back to me? Oh, you gotta keep them separated. Come out and play. Yes, yes, I've heard that. Well, you're getting a tattoo now,

Starting point is 01:33:44 you're getting a tattoo now, you're getting ink done. Anyway, my friend Jeff, he had anger issues or whatever, and he would just, he would get angry. He would go in his room, he would play that song, and he would just beat the punch holes all in the walls. That's all he would do. Just to that tongue, you think? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:34:01 That was the only one. Oh, we could tell when he was mad, because in there you could hear the walls not doing well. And then, here's what would happen though, every year at Christmas, his parents would get his walls redone for him in the room. And he would fucking do it again. Really? This was at his family home?

Starting point is 01:34:12 Yeah, at his family home. And then I saw this band one time in Vegas, and I told the lead singer, this is the lead singer of Offspring, and I was like, bro, you are never gonna fucking believe this. And they died laughing. It was pretty awesome. Before you are never gonna fucking believe this. And they died laughing. It was pretty awesome.

Starting point is 01:34:28 Before you go, love life, is it harder to date as you get more popular? Yeah, no, I think I'm just, it's hard when you're busy. And when you're touring a lot, I think. Oh yeah. But yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's hard to build something because you're kind of on the go and your career,

Starting point is 01:34:46 like it almost has to come first sometimes. It has to come first. Right. Yeah, I mean, what do you do? My career is just like, I've worked so hard that my career takes first place. It's got to. Most of the time, even if I don't want it to.

Starting point is 01:35:00 It's like, I have to do this tomorrow. I have to do this. It's like, I'd love to. A lot of times they'd be like, yeah, look, I would have to do this tomorrow. I have to do this. It's like, I'd love to. A lot of times they'd be like, yeah, look, I would like to do that, but I just can't right now. But then you start to think, oh, well then, yeah, at some point there'll be times where I don't have to tour as much

Starting point is 01:35:16 and then maybe I could try to devote more attention to it. Because it takes attention too. It takes attention and it takes like care, I think. Yeah, but fuck, I mean, but do you ever see yourself, I mean, at some point I'm sure, but is there ever gonna be a point where you're not touring though? That's a good question.

Starting point is 01:35:34 And then you bring your family on tour and then they gotta help out. Yeah. And your wife's selling merch or whatever and calling you an asshole at night. Yeah. You know, outside of a fucking Walf house or something somewhere.

Starting point is 01:35:47 And you're like, yeah, I am an asshole. That's what you think. I mean, I think you gotta, you know, hope for the best. You know, I think so. Dirty, that's the new single that's available now with Teddy Swims. With Teddy Swims. So fricking cool.

Starting point is 01:36:02 And then these men are gonna die die what's it called the album I'm always gonna be a fan Jesse Murph likewise yep I'm locked in you're the man thank you so much you remind me of like women M a little bit like you're like kind of like cuz you have this like he always seems like he has this a little bit of a chip on his shoulder, but He manages it. Well a little women M is real good. Is that it's real good. I like that a lot women M Thank you for saying that even if you don't Ladies and gentlemen, Jesse Murph. Thank you so much and best of luck. Thank you album. I can't wait to get a hold of it.

This Past Weekend - E525 Jessie Murph

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