This Past Weekend - Last Chance U's Coach Jason Brown

Episode Date: August 2, 2019

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Today's episode is brought to you by Gray Block Pizza. Gray Block Pizza is in Los Angeles at 1811, Pico Boulevard on the way to the beach. Gray Block, get that hitter. Today's guest is a man that I've wanted to come in for probably about a year, I guess. And he is, you know him from last chance, you. He's quite a polarizing figure. I mean, if he were in the wilder, if he were in the wilderness, he would be a polarizing bear. He's also the author of Hate Me Now and Love Me Later. It's a new book. You can get it on Amazon. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Jason Brown.

What's up, slap dicks, man? That's probably my favorite. Is it? Yeah, because I grew up, man. We had a coach, man. And he would always call us numb nuts all the time. He'd be like, you jackasses. He'd be like, get your dick out of each other's butts and get out here. That's what he'd say. He'd come in the locker room and say that. No doubt. Hey, slap dicks been around. Yeah, slap dicks been around. Been around a long time, man. Coach Jason Brown, nice to see you today, man.

Yeah, I appreciate you having me. Yeah, it's an honor, man. It's a pleasure, man. I'm hot off the second season of y'all's show. Okay, good deal. I haven't watched it yet, man. I haven't watched the first one. Really? Nah. I've seen bits and pieces here and there, but not at once. Let's get you closer. Sorry, let's get a little closer. Gotcha.

Yeah. Yeah, don't be afraid to eat it like this. Okay, gotcha. Right up on it. Okay, cool. How many of the players are, I mean, how much coaching are you able to do at the Juco level? And how much of it is just like sheep herding just guys who are just real, just fucking? Good question, man. A lot of people don't ask that question.

They don't realize what... Just muppets. I'm sure you get some muppets at that level. I grew up around muppets, so I know what it's like to be around them. No doubt. You don't coach a lot, man. People don't realize. I can coach with anybody in the country. And they'll tell you, the D1 guys that know me, I grew up... I got my name as a coach. X's and O's, a lot of people stole things from me offensively. I won't get into that. But once you get the head job, which I've had a few of them, you become a manager now.

And in Kansas at Independence, man, I didn't have the opportunity to hire an offensive coordinator because we didn't have the resources. So since I was my baby, I said, you know what? Screw it. I'll run the O. Spend more money on defense aside or hire an offensive line coach. So I did those things where you compare that to Buddy Stevens' first year or two years on the show. He didn't do much of any coaching at all. He managed as well, and he had that thing rolling. I was in the process of building like he did. But he's been there 10 plus years. I was there a year one starting this program. So I said, let me take the offense. He's got the resources built up to where he could hire some coaches and pay them.

And was there a reason why suddenly like some of the finances wasn't there? Just were never there. And what we got going there, shoot, man. The money that we raised, me and my boss, Tammy, we came up with a lot of money to get some decent coaches that we could get, but we still had shoot. So I'd average about 15 to 17 coaches a year, more than anybody in Juco. And probably eight of them were unpaid. So they were guys that were, that I gutted and worked hard, but shoot, 17 of them got D1 jobs too in three years. Hate me now, love me later. Yeah. Look, man. Well, that's the book, right? That's the book. That's the book, man. I appreciate this copy.

No doubt. But how much of it, like, when you get a lot of these players, because at that level, it's a lot of players that have already had a first and second chance kind of, or is that not the case? Is this, is it a lot of guys who you're able to go and get them right out of high school and bring them in directly? So I get three types of kids. Okay. All right. So one is the high school non-qualifier. He didn't qualify out of high school. He was a division one prospect. Yeah. Didn't have the grades. I go get those kids, best of the best of those kids. The second type of kid is the D1 kid that went to the four-year, so went to Alabama, went to Georgia, wherever, and flunked out, smoked weed, got kicked out,

had some type of charge. And they're already at these university, I'm sorry, going to the third one, what's the third one? And then the third one is the kid that's at the D1 as well, who's a good kid, good grades, does everything right, isn't playing the amount of time he wants to play, and says, you know what, screw it, I want a shot to go, get re-recruited, comes to me. And that's a Jonathan Banks that played at Tulane, or he was at Kansas State actually, so came from Kansas State to me, back to Tulane. Yeah. So those are what we call four to four kids. They were at a four year, came to a two year, went back to a four year. Okay. So we get a lot of those. So they're coming down to get the tape, to get the film, to get the stats, and then go back up to another

place where they can start work immediately. No doubt, no doubt. And I've had, you know, last year alone, we had 28 D1 transfers. And then, you know, nobody in the country has that, but only eight of them played. So usually you think about it, a lot of those kids are broken. They're far, far, they're probably, we call damaged goods. So can I, the D1 coach that sends me those kids. Yeah, because you're hurting the sheep, when some of the sheep have like prison term. Oh, yeah. Like, damn, this sheep's tatted up. No doubt. And I got it. And I got a fucking massage them. I know what I'm saying, bro. You're trying to make veal out of lamb. You know, that's wild. Chicken salad, chicken shit. But you know, we get it going, man. We, we, you know, the D1

coach sends me the kid over most coaches because of the fact they know my reputation proceeds itself as far as when my kid leaves me, he don't fuck up at the next level. Really? He don't get kicked out. So 222 kids, which I'm most proud of the division one in my coaching career, never had a kid get kicked out of a four year or go to jail. And that left me that left you and went to a four year. Nope, never. Is that you don't see a lot of that on the show? No, I know, they don't. I know, they don't show a lot of that stuff. They don't really, we had 101 kids sign scholarships in three years there, which is, you know, no, no, nothing close to that. And they don't show that really. They don't show all the names. To put in perspective, the first year show last year,

when we won it, five kids they showcase, Emmett Gooden, Rikim Boyd, Malik Henry, Bobby Bruce. Yeah. They don't show the other 40 kids that signed division one. There's 40 kids signed D1 that year. I see. And so, so we, so yeah, you're only getting a taste. And is that because they only chose those kids to do the kids kind of like do an initial interview and then like, okay, these are the ones that we want to focus on? They do. They spend tons of time early on trying to find who their guys are going to be. The storyline. And so, you know, it's unfortunate, like Jermaine Johnson this year is at Georgia, number one player in the country. Koi Dang, the number two player in the country, who's that cow? We had both of them. And you never even saw

Koi. You didn't see him at all. So is it because they didn't fucking rock McDonald's or is it they didn't have the broken life that a lot of the other ones did? Who knows? Right. They kind of stayed out the limelight. They just did their business, handled it and got on. But you know, we sent a kid to Cal Berkley, Koi Dang. Wow. And we sent a kid to Vanderbilt in the same season last year, a kid named Dante Kerry Williams. That's never happened, junior college ever. Send a kid to Vanderbilt and Cal. The reason I say that is, I don't know if you know, Cal Berkley and Vanderbilt are probably the two highest prestigious academic schools in the country. Juco kids don't go to those two schools. Right. So, so you're saying that yeah, a lot of the work that you do, the show

obviously doesn't reflect that. Not at all. It's just not part of their story. Yeah, not part of the story. You know, in Hollywood, they got to make right ratings. And you know, if I'd have known going in and did some more research, because you know, Greg Whiteley, the producer, does a great job. I think he depicts it the way that I don't think he's out to screw me or anybody. I just think that you could be the best filmmaker in America. And he's a great one. He filmed Mick Romney for all those years and that documentary he did and Netflix. He has a lot of shows. He, oh, Mitt Romney with the, uh, who did the, uh, the climate change. Was that Mitt Romney? No, that was, uh, his mitten. Is the first name mitten? I don't even know who the fuck. I don't even know who the

fuck it is. But no, that was the other dude, Gore, wasn't it? Oh, yeah, yeah. I think that was Gore, but one of those fucking guys. Slap Dick, uh, global warming deal. But Mitt Romney, I guess, was running for president or whatever. I don't know. I don't know shit about it, but he followed, he did his documentary, the same deal. You know, I think it looks like they've done a great job. Yeah. He did a great job filming it. I just don't know if he knows the complete inside the intricacies that go into junior college kids, the broken home background, the, the coach's backgrounds. And they're broken to fucking muppets. Yeah. Coaches too. We're broken. And you, I think you'd have to be to spend time around, you know, to be in that environment and

not get so affected by it. And a lot of people don't know your, so your story, you are, you're from California, right? You grew up in Compton, right? And you played, you played quarterback. Yeah. Quarterback, whole life. Yeah. And so what was some of that like growing up? Like, what was some of, like, did you have like a role model kind of, I mean, were your folks around? What was your vibe? You know, I had my pops and mom around. They divorced when I was young. And they're both white? Yeah, both white, both white, um, living with, uh, end up choosing to leave with my dad. So we went on and all over the place in California though. And then, uh, he was a truck mechanic, diesel mechanic and, you know, like to drink and come home, fall asleep. And you know,

probably why they divorced, to be honest. But you know how that goes. He was a rough neck. And so I love diesel, bro. Yeah. That's what he did. But and then, uh, so I had those guys that it wasn't like I didn't have the support. They were there. They were there for me. It was just one of those deals where I was kind of on my own the whole time, um, doing my own thing, man. Yeah. You seem like you got to like to do your own thing. Yeah. So yeah. Some of it is you just making your choice of some of those environments to make you become that person. Product of your environment. Yeah. You know, I'm a chameleon. They call me, man. I can go in and walk into any, any type of, uh, any home, any background, walk down any street in the country, in my opinion.

And I think that real recognizes real. Yeah. And they know I'm not fucking with that guy. Yeah. Yeah. You seem like you got to get somebody with a sword, bro. Yeah. I mean, you know, I, you see a years ago, I used to, I used to look that shit up. Did you? I would hope somebody would look at me. I would look home. Somebody looked at me. I, I just, you know, I just think that they knew. Yeah. Nowadays, you know, they still know, but I'm not looking enough. Back in the day, I would look at you a little longer, you know, but, um, you know, you gotta grow up. You gotta mature, man, you know. Yeah. Yeah. You got to be brave. I think, you know, I think you got to be brave in certain type of environments, you know.

No doubt. No doubt. And I think me, you know, I lived in a car, man, for 18 months growing up. What kind of car was it? Shit. I don't know. I don't even know whose car it was. Oh yeah. It was like an old Camaro or something. Dude, I got hit by ants and shit. I fuck. Fuck it. Too bad it, luckily it wasn't back east where it got cold. Cause I don't think the car had windows. But you might have froze out, dude. I, uh, I got hit by a Trans Am when I was three, dude. Beautiful too. My mom had a Trans Am. Did she? Yeah. This one was silver. Dude, my dad was more excited about the car, bro. You know what I'm saying? My mom's over there making sure I'm all right. My dad's asking, you know, my dad's asking me where he got it.

Oh, shit. I had a Buick Riviera, 63 Riviera, man. Got ran off the road by some, got chased, man. And being a knucklehead, man, some gangsters were chasing us and we, I'm, and we had to get out of there and got hit by a car and ruined it. My papa pissed, man. It was his baby. Shit happened. Um, the show, do you, uh, like after your second season with the show, did you, did you have a different view of Hollywood coming out of it? Kind of? Did you have a different? Yeah. Uh, you know, I didn't know, so I didn't watch it. I was like, fuck, I'm not gonna watch myself. And so this- Really? Nah, yeah, exactly. I still haven't watched the first year. Dude, because you seem like the guy that will watch you.

Nah, nah. What happened was they sent us the show early. Right. Before anybody. And they were like, so me and my boss watched the first three episodes, I think, to get ahead of it PR-wise. Oh, that makes sense. So the town folks and everybody, the haters, we knew how to combat whatever was going to be brought our way. Right. And that's why we watched it a bit. But I, I was even like cringing in my own skin, like, I don't want to watch myself. Like, it's crazy. Well, what didn't you, was there any specific things you didn't like about yourself? I mean, I know what some of that is like, you know, but, uh, but is there anything specific for you that you kind of- I thought there was so much shit left out that it was just there, there, there were kind of

a pegging me out to be this guy that was result oriented. So I was just doing everything that whatever, whatever to win at all costs. Right. And so they, I think they put that out there. And then, uh, can you do anything else at that level though? No, you can't. And that's why- Like these guys aren't staying, like they're not staying there for four years. Nobody's gonna stay for, yeah, nobody's looking to stay in the community unless they get arrested, it looks like. I get them six months to 18 months, max 18, mostly six though, because I got mostly D1 transfers. And all I'm doing, I'm having them six months and sending them right back. The 18 month kids are the good high school kids that didn't qualify that I get. Uh, so that's a little bit different.

No different. Those are a lot of, those are a lot of those kids when D1, a lot of those kids, majority of those kids are the ones who made it. See the show, the first show, I don't show the 35 other guys that signed D1, Delrick Abrams at Colorado, who'll be a draft. Wow. Uh, DJ Williams, who's a, who's a, uh, who's a Jim Thorpe Award nominee this year. Wow, really? They don't show him at Utah State. They don't see, they don't see all those guys, man. Because if you see that full picture, it definitely gives a little, it changes really the scope of, I think, how people, um. So many guys. I mean, you know, Ray Buford at New Mexico State, who was at, who was a transfer, he was at Minnesota, we brought him in. He had some background issues that was a BS deal. I had

three kids that left Minnesota over a big time rape scandal. They didn't do it. It was cold up there, you know what I'm saying? And that's a joke. Yeah. That's a joke. So I, I got him. Oh, you got to get a little closer. Okay. And I got him there and fixed him and got him re-recruited. And a lot of D1s wouldn't have touched that situation. And the Title IX deal now, they don't want to touch it. Yeah. And my reputation, though, of when I put my name on a kid, those D1 coaches know this guy, he ain't fucking around. You like to use Carl, you almost like you're running a used car lot. No, it is. And they know if my word is on it, that I'm, it's, it's reputable and my kid's going to do right. And they're, they're,

they're all thriving. All 35 of those other kids other than the five they showcase. Yeah. All started at the D1. So why, so why don't they want to tell it? Why isn't there, because I feel like that story is also very attractive to me. It like gives me more of a full picture of what you're, of what a coach is dealing with at that level. No doubt. They, you know, they don't show the things I wish they showed. The four year school comes in there, the division one coach, tons of them were the most recruited junior college in the country. They'd come in there and talk to my boss and say, the players have their pants pulled up. I don't hear him saying the word bitch. I don't see him doing these things. They look us an eye to shake our hand.

That is about being tied to any other juco. And he goes, those guys line up at practice to shake our hands. And he goes, it's taught, it's clearly taught. And I wish they would show at least coaches talking to my boss about it and showing people that, you know, we were different. And that's the reason though, so many guys went on and those guys are thriving now at the four year. Rocking boys at Arkansas, they'll be probably the top two or three running backs picked in the draft. He's a, uh, dope Walker nominee. So we got kids that are being division one nominees for big awards. You know what I mean? Yes. I mean, who knows, he could be a Heisman candidate. So, you know, go, we got kids all over. Now, what type of pride can you grab me a water too?

And Jason, one as well. Thanks. What type of, I mean, that must be, it must be a really amazing feeling when you see that kind of go on. Like what's that like for you as a, as somebody that's been a part of their journey? And that's what gets me off. You know what I mean? When the losses don't mean deadly shit to me in junior college. Do you know who played for the national championship in junior college last year? I would say McNeese State. And that would be a guess. No, juco. Oh, I have no idea. That's exactly. So that's my point. Nobody knows and cares about junior college and what they did. And, you know, the bottom line is it's about, can I mold this young boy and turn him into a man so he don't fuck up at the four year? And

those coaches get a quality kid and product and they're good community members and all those type of things. That's what makes me, allows me to sleep at night. And I've done that better than anybody in the country. And those D1 coaches know that's about that. That's what I'm about. And that's why they'll take the risk kid that a lot of people wouldn't take. They'll call me and say, coach, how has he been since he's been with you? I know he got kicked out at Minnesota. Coach, he's been a standup straight shooter. And do you shoot those guys straight all the time? Straight all the time? Would you, you know, bend the truth a little bit? No, never, never. Because, you know, I've sent so many guys on, they come to me and they know.

And then, you know, ultimately that's how guys get jobs. But at the end of the day, I didn't need the D1 coach. They needed me. The kids, I don't need the kids. They needed me. And at the end of the day, I held all the cards because I had the best player in the country and I'm getting them graduated faster than anybody in America. And, you know, we got guys everywhere. We'll probably have 10 to 12 guys get drafted next year after these two shows. And nobody can say that. And do you get, like, any type of, like, any type of kickback? Is there anything where coaches are trying to give you, like, look, can you steer this guy more my way? Do you ever? It don't happen, man. That's a,

you know, it never really happened with me. You hear those stories and the blue chip movies of the world and the program and all those movies. Oh, yeah. They show that shit. But, you know, it's not happening that I see a lot of, you know, coaches that you have relationships with, you know, I try to tell the kid, okay, listen, don't go be the other guy, be the guy. So don't go to Alabama if you're going to be four string. Right. Go to fucking McNeese State and start and get film and you still get drafted. Football players fine. B.J. Sam's, man. B.J. Sam's is a great player. I think he went to McNeese State. And look, all those guys went to Troy and all those guys that are in AFL. So it's not, you don't have to go to those places. Every, every

place has a, every kid has a place. I think there's a place for everyone. And I don't know if, but our kids, they did go to those places because we had the best players in the country. So it wasn't easy to play for our guys. We had transfer from San Diego State, San Jose State, couple of running backs. They didn't even make our red shirt team. And they started at those four, those were D ones they started at. So that's the difference. So it's, yeah. So a lot, I imagine then that it gets, the players that come in that aren't that great or, I mean, the level of competition must be pretty severe then. A lot of times at practice and stuff for the beginning of season, I'll break it down like this. I'll tell you like this. We had 101 kids go D one,

28 of them never played it down for me. And we had a, we had a D tackle red shirt that signed with South Carolina. So that tells you the talent. So they're going against the best O line in the country every game as our scouts or our O line guys that signed division one that didn't never played for us. They're going against Emmett Gooden that's starting at Tennessee. Yeah. Jermaine Johnson. So those guys are good, but they just weren't quite good enough to play for us. And those guys got scholarships because I'm pushing them out because I'm graduating them so fast. I'm getting them out. So they can now go to the four year and have four years to play three instead of having to red shirt, sick around, waste two years. I'm getting them out. If I can

get them graduated and they have enough film on practice, cause we film everything. They got practice film going against our guys that they're signing D one. Yeah, we don't even see that. Is there, but how many of the players do you keep tabs on after? Is it such like a, is there, is it such a river of players going by that you're able to really follow up with many or? No, I stay in touch with the man. You know, I know statistically speaking, I keep track of all those accolades kind of. I know how many kids I sent on. I know how many kids out of those 222 kids, man, 126 of them have earned their bachelor's, 26 of them have earned their master's. Those are the things I care about. The show makes you look like half of them can't even fucking

read. They can't. So the truth of the matter is those guys can't read. And I try to tell these people, these academics, so-called professors, you know, I was told that a kid told, a guy told me, a professor at Independence went to a job. I met with the teachers and I told them, these are my expectations. My kids are going to sit in the fucking front row. They're not going to have hats and headgear on. They're not going to play on their cell phone. Coaches are going to be walking in the class because they're going to check every single kid. And so it's an investment. So I'm letting you guys know, if anything's different, let me know. So I tried to build a relationship that way. So it's a couple of weeks in the school and the teachers are like, man, it's the most

engaged ever. We've ever had a football program. It's unbelievable. And then there's this guy in the back on his phone. He's a professor. And I go, and he tries to raise his hand. I go, well, first of all, I wouldn't take your hand in my class because you're on your phone. So I'm just, you know, they didn't like me. But he goes, well, coach, Emmett Gooden can't take notes. He don't want to take notes. He won't pass my class. I said, well, fuck, do you think Richard Sherman knew how to catch a football unless you tell I taught him? So like, people don't realize, like, you got to teach these dudes. So I told him, this is what I told him. I said, Emmett Gooden did not turn down Notre Dame to come to independence. I said, I don't think you fucking turned down

Notre Dame either to come to independence to teach. How about we teach these cats? And that's where there's a chapter in my book called playing the game. So I teach these kids how to play the game because the academic side of this thing is a game. And I don't believe this thing isn't built on intellect, man. It's built on, and I mean life. I don't think the kids, if you're good community kids, good hearted kids, you're mean, right, you do well. I think it's built on that and how you treat folks. The teachers are going to work with you, then you're going to figure it out. Yeah, you sit in the front, you go see the teachers in their office hours after hours, you sit in the front. And this is what I tell kids all the time.

I said, you know, you're going to sit in the front row and have a relationship with these teachers, dress appropriate, sit in the front, be engaged, ask a question. Yeah. Everything I've been teaching these guys since I was been a coach. And the guy in the back on the cell phone, and compared to the guy in the front, when they go talk to the teacher at the end, and the teacher sees you, what's the difference between a B and a C? There's a bubble on the teacher. The man with the pen at the end wins. Yeah. And so he's going to favor that B over that C. And then if you're in the back, D or an F, you're going to get the F. So I try to tell him it's a game. You've got to play the game. Play the game. It's almost a little bit of that with everything. Everything. You've got

to play a little bit of the game. It's not who you know, it's what you know in life, man. Yeah. Yeah. It's at least a good mix. I screwed that up. It's not what you know. It's who you know. Yeah. So that's just how it goes. Well, look, man, I fucking love when you screw shit up, man. Dude, so many people love your personality, man. It's almost like it reminds me of, it's like Barnum and Bailey kind of like a little bit of like the guy that runs the circus, you know? But kind of like kind of like a, I don't want to say like a wig of Barnum and Bailey. And I, someone will use the term wig in here, but yeah, like I'm trying to think about what it is. It's almost like. So Michael Rappaport, good friend of mine. Of course. I saw that before I even knew

you. He said I'm the most entertaining guy since Sopranos. And so he was like, and that's a made up guy. He goes, you're a real guy. And so, you know, Greg Wiley, man, he's a producer. He shows us, pick us, you know, for whatever reason. I didn't know why. And I said, you know, I asked him one day. I said, why did you pick me? For your personality, right? And he goes, you know, you're the most unfiltered guy filmed in 20 years. And I said, well, all right. Then why then towards the end of the second season, they make it look like that's the reason why they don't want, or why is it just they had to make a show? Or do you think they had something against you? No, they didn't have none against me. Greg, I mean, Greg, I have a lot of respect

for each other. You know, the thing is, I asked him, I said, you know, at the end of the day, why did you want to come here? And he goes, well, this is a specific story. And Bobby involved Bobby Bruce, the kid on the show. Yeah. And Bobby's very, you really get engaged with him. Yeah. And I, you know, he's like a son to me. And I said, listen, so I bring him in and I'm ripping his ass. And I, and Greg, and they go film him. And right afterwards, he walks down, you know, moping and they're like, how do you handle the coach Brown? How do you stand for this? Why are you going to show up to practice tomorrow on time? Why do you continue to show up to everything on time? He goes, because coach will get us if we're not there. He goes, yeah,

but he just called you a motherfucking whatever. He goes, Oh, we really? He goes, my mom calls me worse than that. And, and then he goes, well, coach Brown called you this, this, and this. He goes, yeah, but he loves me. Yeah. So that kind of, I think, Terry, I, Greg, and I think chose him to stick, stick with me because, but I wish that would have been shown more. Right. Now that you look at it, they don't show that as much. They don't show that as like, and that's kind of like what podcasting is. It's like, we, you know who people are. And then it's not about everything that they say. What's the most watched thing on social media? Fights. Oh, yeah. Fights. They don't show that the doggy being walked. You know what I mean? So everybody wants

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you start to watch yourself and then it's like, oh, well, is this what I, you know, kind of what I am? Nah, like you mean like if I was trying to act a little different? Well, just if you notice at certain times, like, okay, right now, like I'm- And they're filming me and- Yeah, I know they're filming me. Nah, you see on the show, I don't know if they put it in, but I'm one of the episodes or I think they talked about, but I ripped the staff or the coach or the kids. I bring them in, ripped the coaches and the kids and I basically was like, I don't give a fuck about these damn

cameras and then you can get the fuck out and- But is that how you really felt though? Yeah, we were losing and you know, I think the kids, I knew that our team had gone Hollywood. We played 10 games last year. We were better than all 10 teams by far, athletically. Yeah. It wasn't even close. Garden City played for the national championship last year. That's the team I was formerly at. Yeah.

We were beating them 21-0 within four minutes. Like, that's the team we had and it wasn't even close. They played East Mississippi for the national championship last year and that just showed you our- We lost six days out the week where every other year I've coached, we've won six days out the week. And if you ask what that means is my teams usually win six days, meaning we don't still at Walmart. We handle study hall. We kill the weight room. We kill practice. We're good in the community. We treat women right. We didn't have that last year. I cut 36 kids, fired seven coaches. We had such a bad nucleus of kids and coaches that wanted to be on camera.

Right. So you get a lot of- Yeah, you get a lot of people that want to be Hollywood. We had 200 kids show up that we didn't know who the hell they were. No one prior engagement. And they get there and we find out, oh fuck, cousin cameras. Yeah. And we just drove from New York. You better fucking drive your ass back. You're not coming here. Well, they enrolled in classes unbeknownst to us prior to them arriving. So the schools, they thrive on, they need FTE, which is full-time enrollment. Right.

They need that to survive. So they're loving it. They're loving the enrollment and they think, oh, the show's going to bring these kids. Well, guess what? Those kids were fucking cancerous as shit because they were horrible. They didn't belong there player or person. They didn't care. They just wanted to be on camera. And so they're in the dorm with our kids because we all live on campus, those kids. So they're in there just cantering them up. And you know, it takes one bad apple to ruin

a bunch. Oh, yeah. So that's what happened this year. And so you're telling me that's what people these naysayers got to cut you off? Oh, coach can't coach this year. Well, so I just fucking forgot all of a sudden how to coach. Nine and two to two and eight. I mean, okay, I forgot to coach talent wasn't much different. Well, why weren't you getting help? Like if there's stuff like that going on,

like that there's such a larger element that that's, I mean, it's something no other coaches are going to have to deal with because you have the cameras there and because you have this attention spotlight. And then the first year, though, we had coaches that were a couple more guys that were at division one programs that were coaching with us for a year. Now they're back at the ones. Those guys are holding them to the fire a little more. And they did what we the one tongue language that I call it. We all had this one tongue language in the program.

It's our way you're going to do it or not. This past year, though, we had coaches that wanted to be the kids friends and that type of shit right and that don't work. We're not there, but we don't go to the club with these kids. It's not our buddies. We're trying to mentor you and mold you into something bigger. And these coaches we had didn't weren't ready for that. Yeah, it seems so remedial there. I mean, it's like, it shows that there's not much for the kids to do is they're really not much for to be done in that area. I mean, it's very nothing. There's not a coach of Starbucks is about an hour.

Wow. You got Tulsa, Oklahoma, which is about an hour, 10 minutes north. Yeah, I was just here a couple weeks ago. We're doing some shows. Yeah. And looney bin. No, Kane's ballroom. Oh, okay. I like Tulsa, man. I hung out there. Yeah, Tulsa's nice. I like Tulsa. Beautiful place. Can't drive around everything's fucking under construction. But yeah, what are they doing? I don't know, man. It's been that way since I've been there. But I like Tulsa, man. The Tulsa love me, man. The people there, they everywhere I go in Tulsa, man, they love me. And it was a good deal.

It was a good deal. Would you go up there to meet ladies sometimes? Because they don't shoot with the ladies. I mean, they got that Lady Tammy, I think is her name. My boss. Yeah. Did you guys ever have any? No, hell no, no, hell no. Come on, man. Come on, man. She was like a father figure and a mother figure all at one, man. She was a K-State Hall of Fame basketball player. But she really? And she's an Olympian. So she's big deal, man. She's in the Raptors at K-State. Look at that's what I'm saying.

Everybody thought that though. Everybody would walk around that town. That town's 9,000 people. Damn. And there's not a, nothing's open past 8 o'clock at night. It's fucking, it's unbelievable. There's nothing there to eat. You know what I mean? It's just, it's one of those places and she, me and her, we're always seen because we got to fuck off campus to deal with other shit. Yeah. And everybody, oh, they're fucking around and no, mother fuckers, you guys don't get it. I'll never mix business with pleasure, first of all.

But dude, what I'm saying is you hang out at the salon, you're gonna get a haircut. You know what I'm saying? I hear you. I see you got the Joe Dirt time, boy. I hear you. Bro, I had, I got you up, man. You got to get one of my shit. I got a barber, man. Bro, you ain't got his shit, bro. Hey, I got a barber, man. You got to go low, brother. What? How low is that, bro? I can see your ideas, dawg. That shit is fucking low. Hey, this is what it is. What it is, man. In the second season, did you start to, I know you, because you started to get a lot of fanfare.

Are you coaching right now? No, no, no, no. I'm just chilling. I bought a house in an empire in a brand new home from scratch, got to pick the flooring that did the whole deal. And then that's it, man. I got the book tour coming up. I'm gonna go do, you know, I've been speaking at some high schools that's going to start jumping off and then start speaking around the country and stuff like that and doing the speaking engagement deals. And that's about it, man. Figuring out what I want to do. I don't know if I want to coach no more. Really? I don't know if these kids can handle me anymore, these enabled kids, if these parents are allowed to be enabled. I don't think the kids have changed. The parents

have changed over our time, over the years. And what do you mean by that when you say that? Well, we grew up, man. There was no second guess in a coach. Everything was yes, coach, yes, coach, this and that. Now these fuckers all think they know everything. Oh, no, I'm gonna do this. No, you're not, motherfucker. Not under my watch. But that's kind of what... But then if you say that, then it's suddenly like the parents are complaining and now you... Nightmare parents are calling me. Yeah. But, you know, it's a... I don't know, man. Maybe, you know, all good things come to an end. I don't know if I'm meant to do this anymore. So it's full circle. When I started playing, I've made it professionally. I got cut by the chief, got

cut in NFL Europe, played Arena League and... What year was that? Shoot, oh, two, oh, three. Wolf years of those years. And so who else was quarterbacking around then? We're at... Anywhere. Oh, shit, everybody. The guy at the chiefs was Trent Green. Kurt Warner was still playing Rams, you know. Everybody was playing... Was that Lorenzen? Did Lorenzen play back then? Or do you remember that? Jared Lorenzen. You know, he was at Valdosta State, man. When I was in playing, I played Division II as well. So we both were Division II. Oh, wow. And we were battling for the Harlan Hill Award, which is a D2 Heisman. Really? That's wild, man. Yeah, he was at Valdosta, played for a coach

named Hal Mummy. Yeah, Hal Mummy. He went down to the southeastern. And who's a big time, Mike Leach. He basically hired Mike Leach, if you don't know. But Hal Mummy... Mike Leach coached for Hal Mummy originally back in the day. They're kind of the inventors of the spread, open up offense, you know what I mean? But he was at Valdosta, man. And I remember... You guys ever played against each other? No, we didn't play against each other. But everybody knew who he was because he was like 400 pounds a quarterback. Oh, yeah. Unfortunately, he passed away, man. Rest in peace. Yeah, yeah. He was sweet. I went to Lexington a couple of times and he would always pop out and say, hey, you know... Oh, did you?

Yeah. He was always a really, really kind, kind man. Yeah, I was just trying to think of what other quarterbacks played around then. Yeah, it was a lot, man. They're all still around. A lot of big name guys. Farves and all them guys. Yeah, we used to go to Farstown and eat mushrooms, dude, back in Kill, Mississippi. Is that right? We go put jerseys on and eat a bunch of fucking mushrooms, dude. Brady was just getting going, you know what I mean? Drew Bledsoe had just given it up and Brady was taking over and started to win Super Bowls already, you know. We're the same age, so, you know, he's a Northern California guy. Did you ever play against him? No, no, not nothing, but pre-season game. You did? Mm-hmm. Who won? We actually won, but I didn't play at the same

time as he did. You know, he's a starter. I was a fucking practice squad guy. But you had something to do with it, I bet. Yeah, so, you know, it was good. It was a good time, you know what I mean? Do you ever play against any real heaters out there? No, you know, remember Julius Peppers? Yeah, so he played for North Carolina, right? Yeah, North Carolina. Carolina Panthers. He lit me up in a pre-season game. He shouldn't have fucking been in when I was in. It was a fucking 13-0 line, you know what I mean? But, you know, it is what it is. You always have the best ice fun ages for everything and make none of it your fault. Yeah, I know that. That's how it is, man. It's the best. That's the best. Is part of a head coach's job to make it not their fault no matter

what? No, I take responsibility, man. I tell everybody, man, the kids and the coaches are responsible, but I'm accountable and there's a huge difference. And I'm accountable for the entire gamut, you know, 30 administrative people, trainers, coaches, football operations people, and then I got 200 kids, you know what I mean? So, which are all like my kids. So, I'm accountable, man. And if people don't realize what people ask, like, okay, Joe Paterno didn't know bullshit. You're the head coach. You know every fucking thing. Right, so you have to know everything. I know everything. Because it seems like, yeah, sometimes it's like, or just from the show's perception, it's like, yeah, you're always in everybody's ass,

it seems like. Right. And that's because... But I guess you have to be, you have to know what's going on if you're going to be the one who has to be accountable. My thing was I don't want to get a call from the cops and you didn't tell me first, coach, assistant coach. I should know every fucking thing before it happens because you guys are in them dorms. You know what's going on. If you have any relationship with your players, you know exactly where the motherfuckers are. And that's how I was as an assistant. My kids weren't getting in trouble. And as a head coach, the number one job of an assistant coach is to protect the head coach. One. The second most important thing is don't let shit get put on the head coach's desk. And those are two things that I never

allowed as assistant. And I try to teach those assistants. If you want to get a big time job, just what you got to do. And it comes off, okay, if I'm hating me now, love me later when I get you the job. Because at the end of the day, man, you know, it's a results oriented business. And that's what's in that book. And you win the game or you lose it, man. There's no gray area in football. Last time I checked, they fucking checked score. And the kids graduated, they don't, they get a scholarship or they don't, those things come on me. And last I checked, assistant coach doesn't have a win-loss next to the record on the resume. So do you think you played the game of, it sounds like you played the game of getting

kids to the next level pretty well, right? It sounds like that game you played pretty well. If you, you know, if you look back on your years, and even if you look back on the show, I mean, even though it's kind of like a, that's kind of a selective interpretation, what do you think you could have done better or differently or, you know, shit, man. There has to be something, man. There's a lot of stuff, man, probably little things, you know, I would have loved to have hired an offensive coordinator, right? As you see, yeah, yeah. We didn't have the money. So it was like, it wasn't in my hands to do. And did you take a bigger shower? Was there a reason you guys didn't have the money? Like,

would there have been? No, I got raises here and there and I got up there, you know, pretty, pretty high. And it was decent stuff for me, but I got my offensive line coach really high. My coordinator really high, the one that's on the show living in the dorms. Is he a neat guy? Yeah, I've known his older brother for a long time. Martin, is that also? Yeah. But, you know, his wife, I guess, tried to bash me, which comes off pretty fucking unappreciative, but I got her an AA degree for free, but fuck me, right? So, and also, I didn't hold them guys hostage by any fucking, they had plenty of opportunity to go get apartment in town. They made enough coin. Yeah. But they chose to do that. But I guess the show shows them

like, I'm the fucking devil. And I kept them there or something. But, but I knew his older brother for a long time. And, you know, they should talk about me firing them and all that. I did fire him, but nobody knows why because they didn't know what he did. And he admitted what he did. And, and I hired him back because I love the kid. I know his older brother. You know, we kind of grew, he's from Pasadena, Juco guys. And, and so, you know, I just, I came off from his wife kind of unappreciative, in my opinion, what we did for him because he was like the second or third highest paid D coordinator in our league. He could have went and got an apartment. But they don't show those things. You don't say that. Do you feel unappreciated?

I'm not going to cry over spilled milk. No, of course. I mean, I will do it. Yeah. But I've got a couple of times in this podcast, but I'm not going to matter. You know, the town, would you know who our independence Kansas was if the fucking show didn't come there? No, nobody would. And, and you wouldn't know any of those kids and probably 17 coaches don't go division one. And there probably isn't $3 million brought into that town because of Netflix. And, yeah. So I guess in that regard, yeah. We got a question that came in right here from, because we have video questions that came in this year. Yeah. Yeah. And this one's related to about the town's attitude. And that's not me in a disguise, even though me and that guy have a very

similar nose. I'm down. What's up, Theo? Gang, gang, gang. Coach Brown, just wondering how did the people in Independence Kansas treat you? Do you think that they were racist? Not towards you, obviously, but I feel like they didn't like the football team. Do you think that any of that had to do with race? Thanks, Theo. Gang, gang. Gang, bro. Is that got steel in the bulldozer? I didn't feel that at all. I didn't feel like there was any racial tension, really. I think there's might have been some undertones. There might have been some underlying stuff. I mean, yeah, that's just in the history books. So I think that's, I don't, yeah, we didn't face any. We didn't face any. The town people that I'm, that I, we,

I love the people there. There's the hatred that I took from there. There's a select few guys. And most people there love me. And we, and we got along great, man. It was great people there. There's these pseudo guys that make these pseudo names up. So Freddy's really Johnny and Freddy and Bobby. Yeah. And he comes up with three names and he's now from Arizona, but he's right there. Right. And he makes up these names. So the percentage goes up in hate. Right. And especially if the other one's talking more than it looks like it's 50%. He's Johnny Freddy. Yeah. Yeah. And it wasn't that way. But you know, this is the thing. The answer is question. So, you know, the J-Hot Conference in Kansas and the Mississippi League where you kind of are from,

Mississippi only has eight out of state is allowed, but Mississippi's more of a prominent black state. Yeah. Yeah. Kansas primary white state. Yeah. We only had 20 out of state is allowed when I got the job. That rule changed seemingly overnight. So we became an unlimited out of state state in junior college. To bring in as many as you wanted. So of course, nobody's going to recruit Kansas no more because Kansas high school football is not very good not to bash them, but they don't have the legislature in place to allow those kids to thrive. They don't, soon as football season's over, you cannot have a football out again. You go right into wrestling, track, basketball. We're in California, Georgia, Florida, Texas. Football season ends after Christmas.

You could pick up a football again in your football training again, 24 seven. I see. Everybody's a lot more trained, a lot more acclimated. Is it the high school level? High school level. Yeah. So Kansas behind the times in that regard. So I was hoping the out of state rule optimistically speak and change the entire legislature from the high schools. It hasn't yet. Hopefully it will. But then it keeps probably keeps sports like wrestling and stuff big in those years. It does. It does. But to answer his question, I think there's some hidden racial agendas because of the fact, okay, now we were Kansas, predominant Kansas, eight team league. And now it's become out of state. Our Kansans aren't playing anymore. I see. And now there's,

there was some, you know, there was some spite, I think, and some hatred. But we didn't really see it. My coaches didn't really see it. But not from the local people that you feel like that. We didn't have that feel. There was no tension that way. You think there might be some underlying stuff that's like, yeah, because it's like, they almost might need to make some legislation to even just keep white people in sports at some point. No doubt. And Bill Burr. Yeah. But you know, they, they come to me and talk about, I think they were more took it out on me. Like, let's get this fucker out of here. So these fuckers, these freaks of nature won't be here no more. We can go back to having, you know, fucking John Deere here. Well, they must have been upset though,

the townspeople, were they upset about the show? Because I could see if it brings in a lot of knuckleheads, like you're saying into this campus that you don't even see on the show. That are just maybe hopeful football players like guys who got, you know, locked out at D7, you know, who are homeschool football team, you know, you know, because they're just milling around town then. I mean, was there a lot of people who was milling around town? Probably, but you know, that's why I always had a relationship with every manager that owned a place in that town, Walmart, you know, all the restaurants. So if any football player, which was going to be a black kid in there, in their mind, so that's why I taught,

go to the corner store and buy a black and mild. Right. And if the 35 year old black guy is in the store, guess who fucking did it? Football player. Right. And that's the fucking, that's the, we get that black eye. Unfortunately, and I taught those kids, man, they don't give a shit about you. So don't get caught up. Don't be stupid. Don't be in the store. Don't go to Walmart and steal. And that was big before I got the job. We didn't have that issue. I never had a kid arrested and never had any domestic violence charges. We never had any issues. And I let those managers know they'd call me if there was any concern or people disrespectful. I didn't allow that shit. And I'd cut them quick. So the town folks knew that discipline was there before that was,

since I was there, they know it was tenfold from when I was there. They were robbing and pillaging before I got there. Before you got there. So you felt like you definitely really tightened a lot of stuff. Oh yeah, we tightened it up and they weren't going to, they weren't going to free for all running around that town. And you'd cut the kids. Cut them quick. Get them out of there. Oh yeah. We cut hundreds. Is it fun to cut them sometimes? Well, yeah, it's fun to cut them fuckers. Trim the fat. Yeah, trim the fat. You got to cut the cancer. My dad died of cancer. Man, I told him, I said, fuck, I'm not going to have that shit around. You better get the fuck, you better shit or get off the pot. Yeah. So. Did you get lonesome in the town?

You know, man, we worked 20 hours a day. People don't realize we worked, we were there, you know, burning midnight oil, man. And we were tough. We had, we had, we had weights of five. That mean my staff was there for to get the damn thing ready. And really, were you there too, or just the staffs there? You get to show up a little later? No, I showed up a little later for the fact that I did all that shit for 20 years. Right. No, I get, yeah. I painted fields and all that. It's their time to fucking figure it out. They didn't, they were going to get fired. And that's just the results oriented. But I also did everything else. Like I was there. My thing is, if you're going to be a leader, you're going to show it, you're not going to talk it.

So everything that we did, I did obviously. But certain things like that, I believe head coaches, they've earned the right to sleep in an extra 20 minutes. I agree with you. But you know, those things, those, those type of things happened. And, and then we were there till midnight, man. And we were curfew checking them at 1130pm, getting right back over four. So I mean, you know, we're there all day with them, class checking them, dorm checking them, make sure they're not smoking and stealing and doing any stupid things. And, and unfortunately last year, we had more of that than any, any year I've ever been a coach as a coach. And well, it seems like you said, like, you know, you had kind of control over that. Then what made it go so haywire last year?

The cameras. Really? Yeah. It's just nucleus, bad nucleus. And did it, do you feel like you could going back on it? Would you have done anything different to like from the top down, like this is how it is? You know what? I don't know. I think it might have been inevitable, man. I don't know if you could have changed that. I don't know if anybody could have came in there and did anything different. I wasn't going to change up anything because my model has always been successful. So why would it change all of a sudden? We still have the best players. I don't think I changed. I think because the ego is dangerous, man. I noticed from my own ego, you know, like my career has

changed a lot. I've worked for 15 years and in the past year, it's really gotten a lot different. Yeah. You know, and sometimes it's tough for me, you know, I'm tough sometimes. I've been, we've gone through stuff here with working with my producer. It's been tough for me to learn to work with others, but it's been tough for me to learn who I am as I'm becoming more of a, have to be more responsible and stuff. You know, it's, we all grow. Yeah. It's been, it's been tough for me. I've had a lot of struggles with it. Yeah. And sometimes it's my own ego. Sometimes it's insecurity. You know, it's a little bit of everything. You know, I think football coaches, especially head coaches are probably the most egotistical

humans on earth. I think football players are the most egotistical people on earth. And I think that's where you get the headbutted headbutting going on. But I don't think I changed. I think as the year went on, you can see, my boss made a comment the other day, you can see in the show, because she watched it. You can see on the show how you just were like, give me the fuck over this year, because you didn't want to be around those kids, those coaches, nothing. And I didn't. And that's why I was out week five, to be honest with you. I was thinking about what I'm doing different next year already. And I already had the plan. I was doing it every night until midnight or

two in the morning, three in the morning in my office building this year's team. And is that because if you don't win that year, if you don't get to that hot, like if you're not undefeated, then it doesn't really matter? Or what is? No, just that I knew this. I knew the nucleus we had. And it was just a bad batch, man, bad batch from top to bottom. And I knew I was starting over and I was going to gut this thing and we were going to get back to the basics. And character first was what I was changing. So I had character first wrapped everywhere in the facility and that was going to happen. And that's so that kid, that German kid that I hired, that whole issue happened with,

I hired him to be a graphic design guy. And he was a manager, came from overseas, came out there and I got him a job on campus, fed him every day. I said, listen, if you can help me wrap this facility, get it nice, I'll let you be on the team. You'll never play, but I'll let you be on the team. What do you want? What was he going to be on the team, a soccer player? I don't know what he would have been. But you know, he did a good job and I let him in. He helped me wrap that thing, getting all that going. Yeah, I will say that a lot of stuff looked good. Yeah. So, you know, that place was bad when I got there, man. You don't even know. I built everything with these, man. And that's the most

rewarding thing. I think the blood, sweat, and tears you put in and when you win it, and that's the most rewarding deal in anything. But yeah, he kind of did he backstab you a little bit? I didn't think it was that bad. Texan, you're calling my buddy Hillard. It doesn't mean anything to me. It's like, I don't give a fuck. It's like, it's a joke between friends and it's a fucking... He called himself that. Yeah. And that's when he got there. He did that. And the team called him that. Everybody called him that word. Yeah. Digital Hitler, I think, is one of his screen names. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. He had the Minecraft book he'd walk around with. Oh, damn, right. He did a lot of that. It's all going to come out, man, the truth. And the thing is, man,

he did a lot of that stuff and the kids were going to kill a man after the whole deal. And even though I'm getting investigated, I'm having to protect that kid from getting killed by the players. And people don't know that. And, you know, I hired... What does that matter for? Because they were trying to fire me over it. Oh, and the players wanted you there. Yeah. And they were like, motherfucker, your ass calls yourself that. Now you want some 15 minutes of fame. Right. And he... You see in the show, I guess, Greg, I thought depicted it right. You know, you see us, they're all... The kids are calling him that. Well, I'm calling him that on the field in the office. He's laughing and giggling because he knew. And you see this text messages that were put

in there. They're stuff scratched out. Yeah. On the media. There's some stuff missing that's unbelievable and how people take your opinion and run with... Their own opinion and run with... Also, it's a text message between two people. Who gives a shit? If I'd say Nick and I'm, look, I'm sorry if I'm being a Hitler today or... Well, let me ask you this. Did you know this? My boss, the president of the college, was from a Jewish descent. Who? Barnwood. Barnwood. Yeah, I knew that. So he's up there saying these things in the academic building. I get wind of it. I bring him in the office. I suspend him. He also... I had a huge issue with him in females. Females are coming to me left and right like he's super scary to them. Yeah. And he's creepy.

Oh, dude, he made my fucking ovaries hurt a little and I mean, and I got a cock. You feel me? So he's breaking into the weight room, man. And... This sounds like Selena. This sounds like the person that killed Selena. Ah, fuck. Man, I'm just telling you... Why don't you let that guy go then at some point? Well, I did. I suspended the guy and I cut. I said, you're done here. He immediately goes from there to the fucking academic building and doing like the marching shit and the teachers hit call me and that's when I send out the text. And I was really doing it as a joke to say, listen, I'm trying to help your savior ass, but I'm your new boss, basically. Get your ass over here and see me because you're not going to do

that shit under my watch, under my program and make us look bad as a football program. So that's why I regret that. I regret doing that way because obviously nowadays with the soft natured people that we live in this cultured society, they want to get 15 minutes of fame and they're going to blast you out. And I don't blame the kids, man. I don't blame the kid. You don't blame him? I don't blame him. I blame the cowardly grown folks that pushed it. I get the kid a job on campus. It's the guy that employed him that pushed this. Right. And it's ridiculous because... Not the principal, huh? Not the president. Not the president. Because the president seemed to kind of... He doesn't comment on it in the show, but yeah, I mean, I knew that he was Jewish or he seemed like

it, you know, and then... But then I was like, oh, if he didn't really comment on it, then he, you know, like, I don't know if anybody... Let me care. Nobody cares. Here's the thing. Nobody really cares about any of this shit. It's like people write articles and then people that are bored. If I win a public figure, I'm still there. Nobody gives a fuck. The thing is the president came in. If you were winning, do you think that anybody would care? This is the thing. They hadn't won in 30 years. Year one, we went in there. We beat four teams that they haven't beaten in 30 years. Yeah, we beat them. Oh, they got a picture of the independence football team from like 25 years ago and half of them won ice skates, dude. Fucking shitty squad, bro. Well, that's what I mean. So

we go five and four year one. Yeah, well, I'm at a catcher's mitt on. No shit, man. I know shit. But five and four year one, I mean, unheard of. So like, okay, shit, next year we win it. Like, then we... Then I have one bad year and that's not... I wasn't worried about... I was like, I'm never gonna fight for a bad year after what we've done here in three years. So that's why a year... Week five, I was prepping for this year and I was already getting ready for the program because I think we would have won it all this year. We had a great staff. I hired the best recruiting class in my three years there. So it even been better. So going back... What could you have done differently, you think, if you were looking back on it? I mean, what? Man, I don't know,

man. I don't know. Sometimes things are supposed to go the way they go, man. I don't know if you can change something. You know, I didn't do anything different. You know, the cameras didn't bother me. They bothered other guys. But this is the one thing I'll tell you, which might sound like jokingly, as a joke. I'll never hire these young fucking coaches again. So maybe I'll have a staff of fucking 80 year olds next time I get a job because those guys know the intimate setting of a locker room. And when we grew up in football, football locker room was the most intimate setting period. Now it's a mockery. It's a place where kids want to film you cussing out the team because Johnny stole at Walmart. You're cussing out the guy and the team for making an example of everybody.

So you better not do it or this guy, you're going to end up like him cut or in jail. And they want to film you on the low and put it on social media and even coaches, young coaches. I'm just like, where does this become? Everybody's going to get their clout. And that's what kind of gave me sour taste and coaching. Maybe I don't want to do this no more if it's become such a spectacle. Well, there's so many battles it seems like you have to face. Now you're trying to keep these. I mean, you're also, you're at the, you're like a second, you're, you know, you're at the father. Yeah, you're a father, but you're also, you're the tent behind the big circus. It's like, this is where the animals, you know, they got animals doing cigarettes out here. You know what I'm

saying? Half the guy, you know, this is where we, this is where all the shit's done. And you don't, they don't show it. Like, you know, there's a lot of things. And, you know, you get drugged through the mud back there. They just show the good shit, you know, dumping water on me when we win it all. Like, you don't know what we had to go through to win that thing. You know what I mean? And it's not like it's a 20 minute ride from, in California, Jucco, you're taking 20 minute bus rides. You know, we're going to Garden City seven hours across the state or to Iowa or whatever. And, you know, you got to deal with those kids in hotels overnight, you know? Yeah. Oh, I'm sure especially with social media now, everybody's trying to fuck each other and all

of this shit. It's a joke, man. It's becoming... Oh, you could fuck somebody at a truck stop, you know what I'm saying? If you got to fill, if you fill in a 30 gallon tank, you'd have time. You know what I'm saying? It's like, these days, it's so easy to just cross pass with someone. Go to AMPM or whatever, yeah. Do you, do you wish you were still in an independence? Not how it ended, no, because I just don't, I feel the course had ran its, you know, the time has ran its course. I think it was done. It was time to move on. All good things come to an end. I built that place, man. I mean, there's a brand new turf field there, state of the art, locker rooms, meeting rooms, you name it. I did it. And so I missed that part

of it because I know what we were going to have. It would have been the premier place in America. There's no doubt about it. But at the same time, man, if I've never kissed anyone's ass, man, if you don't want me there, I'm fucking leaving on my own. You don't got to beg me to leave. And you don't have to force me out. I'm leaving on my own. And that's just how I was raised, man. And so if you don't want me, I don't want to be here either. And for the most part, I was wanted by everybody. You know, 99% of that town wanted me there, man. I get a lot of love emails from them people to this day and independence, man. And I love my time there, you know, to be honest, small town and all that, but it was fine with me. I was there to do a job,

which was to help young boys turn into men. And we did that. We excelled and we did it better than anybody in the country. And so we put our footprints in the sand, man, so to speak. And then we set history, made history there. And now maybe it's something, it's a new venture to be had. What are you missing right now about coaching? The interaction with the kids, you know what I mean? Recruiting and getting those kids, finding the next Emmett Gooden or Rocking Boyd or Malik Henry, and trying to save one of them, because you can't save them all. So my whole thing is save one of them, man, because I try to tell these young coaches, you try to save them all, you're going to spread yourself too thin and be

super, super heartbroken at the end of the day. I learned that as a young coach. And did you? Yeah. And so, you know, now you just try to pick one and save that one kid. And hopefully we save more than that, obviously, but that's, that's my goal. And so hope, you know, I missed that part of it, trying to find a guy to save again and, you know, help these young cats out. Some of these other, when teams were playing you guys in your conference last season, were a lot of the, were people more trying to beat you or trying to beat that team? Me. They hated me. They hated me. They hated you. They hated me in California when I was here, because I beat everybody's ass and I recruited everybody. That's how it goes. Why do they hate

you everywhere you go? I mean, I love me later, man, I guess. You know, man, do you think people love Nick Saban that play against him? You know, what's funny is, I hate Nick Saban, but I respect him more than any other coach. That's what I'm saying. So those coaches don't like Nick Saban. He runs this. That's his shit. SEC is his league. It ain't fucking. Well, the whole incident league, it's his league. It's definitely playing for a second now. It's Saban's conference, you know what I mean? And, uh, and those kids, those coaches don't want that. They're fucking trying to beat him. And so remember, everybody was on the TV show, a national Netflix last year. So every team we got, whether they were shitty or good, we got them times 10. They were on steroids.

Yeah. And everybody wanted to beat us on film, on camera. And, uh, and I'll try and tell our guys, man, you don't understand. You're playing a team that's shitty and they're rising to, they're rising 10 times up over the, over the, they were, they were rising out the toilet right now. They want to beat your ass, man, on, on Netflix. They're not going to lose on Netflix. They did last year. We beat everybody on Netflix last year. Everybody's pissed. We're talking shit. And was the show coming, was the show going to come back for a third season? Possibly. But not definitely. Not definitely. I wasn't told they would. But there was probably a big time chance because I don't know, I've been told,

I'm not going to say names, but I've been told that they're going to have a hard time replacing me on there. Just because of the polarization, I guess, not to boast, but I don't, I think they're having a hard time finding somebody now. And then, and then how many coaches are going to, now that they see the stuff coming out and how I'm portrayed, because a lot of these coaches, even in those Jukos, know me. They know that ain't the real me. Like, they're like, fuck, you got fucked over. They're not going to probably accept it too, because you're going to do this to me. You know what I mean? Right. So they probably have that battle too. So it could have been an easier deal just to follow me and keep fucking me. Yeah. Yeah. Because it seemed

like they went two seasons and from what I heard, they were going to, they weren't sure until the last minute if they were going to switch to a different school. Yeah. And then, and I've worked in, you know, unscripted program before. And it's like, yeah, you never really know until like, I mean, until a couple of weeks before the camera starts rolling, they can make a different call. Until it's green light. And I kind of feel like the story, I mean, there would have been a chance for like a comeback season. But after that, I couldn't see how they would go more than and to be honest, I didn't want to end that year on the loop two and eight. You know what I mean? Yeah, you guys got fucked. And you know, we lost four games by one, two games by three,

like those games we lost. And then we get blown out by the worst team in the league. And that was because it had hit it, the nucleus had settled in and it was like, ah, fuck, we're done. What was wrong with the quarterback that because it starts J Jones? Yeah. J Jones, what was wrong with him? Was he just often injured? Injuries. I don't know how mentally tough he was. I think he had other ulterior motives as far as maybe I think he was already looking forward to maybe, you know, he had girlfriend back home. I think he was homesick. I think he thought it was maybe beneath him. He was a great kid. I think great hearted kid.

Yeah, he seemed like he had a good heart. Good parents, good parents, man. Raised him right. I just think he, I think he was there and that's out of his, it was out of his league. And he was just like, ah, and you know, I brought in some good backup guys. One was a true freshman that was, I didn't want to play this year, had to. Was it Chase? No. No, it was a kid named AJ Wright, the third guy. Oh yeah, with the long hair. Tall, tall, six, six. Dude, way too much hair on that kid though. Yeah. Jesus, bro. The hair to human body ratio, it's a, it's not a unique, it's a very unique amount, that's what I'll say. He, he, he, he's going to be special and didn't want to throw him in the fire like that fast. So, you know, the

backup comes in that first game and rips it for like 300 yard, three touchdowns and shit. So, we start him the next game and he looks like shit. Yeah. And we're down 35, nothing a half. We come back, Storm and back should have won the game, put in AJ, he rips it, come back, then he gets torn, lame broom in practice. Then we go back to Chase. And you guys were running that all season to look like. And then we're back to, then we were trying to play a fourth quarterback. So, people don't realize that you're two and eight too, but so you know, we had 22 offensive line change-ups, meaning there's so many injuries, we've had to swap, left tackle had to play right, center had to play guard. We had so many injuries. Why so many injuries? Just one of those deals.

One of the things is we net, we're the only league team in the league didn't have a turf field. So, when I got that done and got that donated and got that going, we were still practicing the whole entire season on a basically rock field. And we had, just so you know, we had six ACL blowouts during the season, I practice. We just didn't have the facilities. People don't realize. Somebody should open up an ACL factor around the corner, dude. People didn't know what we've dealt with, man. Broken ankles, you don't understand. Then we get the turf field for the last game of the season. Life fucks a little late. So, that's why I was looking forward to this year because we had all this new things. Yeah, to get to play with all

the new toys. Malik, you guys brought Malik back in. Was it just out of necessity really? No, it was to save his life. So, I brought him back, known the kid a long time since we shared the same mentor. My junior college head coach, it was also his quarterback coach. And so, I've known him long times as a little kid. His dad, you know, he didn't get anything because of the show probably, the bad light. And then we brought him back and I told him, I said, listen, you'll be a practice squad quarterback. Yeah. And I said, right now, because this wasn't your team, it's not the talent set that's built around you. The first year's talent was about around him. We could play action, RPO, hand the football off. He could throw it to great Y

receivers. He had the best O-line in the country. And this team wasn't built that way. We're going to run more option with Jay, spread it out, be more, play faster, do those things. When you brought him back in, what did you tell him? Did you reach out to him after the season started? No, I was done. He graduated. We were trying to get him a scholarship. He had three years to play division one. So we were trying to get a market to get him out of there. And a lot of people didn't want to mess with him. So I said, listen, I told my players and coaches, I said, listen, he can't come back and do anything. He can't shit on himself or he's done. He'll never play again. He came back and did a great job for us like practice squad. He did a hell of a job

at practice for our defense. He did all those things. But so at a necessity, he had to play and we were down to nobody and he ripped it against Garden City and we should have won the game. Probably should have threw the ball every down. He would have probably threw for a thousand yards. I don't know. He's that good. But the next game we start him. We get blown out because it wasn't him. It was the team. And his attitude went to shit then? Not really. It was just a matter of, I've already losing the team now. I'm losing the team. And Malik wasn't here in the beginning. He wasn't here all spring, battling in the snow and fighting in weight room and running. And I just felt it wasn't fair to the kids. And so the truth of the matter is I told him, I told him,

I said, listen man, know how I feel and you know the deal. This ain't for you. This ain't your team. This team is not built around your skill set. And I'm losing the team and he's like coach, I get it. Now that's a simple conversation. He continued to practice with us. And people on the state didn't show really that. And so now he's starting in Nevada. He got named and started today. Nice. Really? Yeah. Wow. That's pretty cool. Do you feel good about that? Yeah. He'll rip it, man. They throw the ball over the place. He'll dominate that league. And he'll get drafted if he stays the course. Now what about they had another kid on the show, Adrian? No, the kid, he's like, he was defensive guy number six. Katelyn Davis. Yeah. It seemed like he couldn't

even write or anything. Katelyn, man. But he's a huge personality. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Freely fun to watch. Fun to be around. Greatest kid. Yes. He, a sister died on him. His brother died on him during the time at my place. And so I kept him from leaving because I knew if he went back home, he would be nothing good. And I said, listen, man, you're going to save your mom's life. Eventually you have to graduate and get this done. And he's struggling class, obviously. And got him graduated, man. He's at Arkansas State now. And he'll have a chance to prolong his career and make some money and maybe help his mom out, man. They come from a bad poor background. Is he a good player? Yeah, a good player, man. He's a tweener. And that's why he

probably didn't go big time. He's a tweener. We don't know if he's an outside linebacker or a DN. That's kind of great now, though. Yeah. So Arizona dollars, schools came in on him late. And he's like, man, I'm going to Arkansas State. He's from Louisiana? Louisiana, yep. Oh, wow. So it was, we had a lot of Louisiana kids. Yeah. We got some other video questions that came in. Yeah. And I had a question about Malik's dad. They interviewed him a lot in season three. Did you have a relationship with him? Because to me, it seemed like he just showed up in high school when Malik started getting some recognition. And he seemed like a well-spoken dude, but I didn't trust him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I've known him. I've known him a long time.

Like I said, we share the same mentor, me and Malik. And I've known his dad, Marcel, a long time. So yeah, he was around. You know what I mean? His mom got a divorce, I believe, and they were kind of back and forth. So that always makes it tougher that people don't get to see. So they had their own personal deals that probably were struggling. It was probably hard for him to be around Malik. So I don't know the whole, in totality, that whole deal family-wise. But nah, he came to every game at Independence. He flew in every game. Do a lot of parents start to mill around whenever the kids are doing well? Do you see a lot of that or? Nah, I didn't allow it. I didn't allow it. It was a different deal because he was out

coming from California and flew in every week. You wouldn't have that from normal parents coming in every game to a junior college game. It was on YouTube. So parents would watch it from home or whatever. We had so many kids from so many places. But he would come to every game and I let him be on the sideline during the game, not on the side but back. But he was there and he supported him. He supported a lot of them the whole time that he was there with me. And so it was a good deal. But now, I'm sure you'll be at Nevada Games. You seem like a guy that has a chip on his shoulder, you know? Which I think is, if you want to be a guy who survives and achieves and things in this world, it can often be great.

You know, I feel like a lot of my life I've been that way. Where do you think some of that comes from for you, you know? Just being told I couldn't do it forever. There's nothing greater pleasure in life, man, than doing something that was told that you cannot do. And that's, I wasn't supposed to take an independent job. You can't do nothing there. You're not going to win. They haven't sent a kid D1 in five years and they haven't won a game in ten. But what about when you were young? I mean, no. And then that's him back from, you know, he's the only white boy in Compton. You ain't going to survive, you know, those type of things. Oh, I'd have shot you if I do. Yeah. So, you know, yeah, you know, because we'd have been competition. No doubt. No doubt. You'd

have to shave your head though. But yeah. But you know, I had, you know, I was raised by a big time, you know, guy in the drug business, you know what I mean? And I was raised by guys like that and street guys and actually easily been in the dope game. But I was like, no, I'm going to be a leader, not a follower. That's my thing. Teaching these kids. Don't don't go left. Go right at the stop sign because guys will follow you regardless. Yeah. And so I preached that. So, you know, I was like, I ain't going to be elite. I ain't going to smoke weed and sell dope. I'm going to play sports and try to affect some young men's lives. And so that's what I chose to do. Back to the thought about like when, as the second season comes on, they got to have some ladies

hitting you up, man. Yeah, they did, man. It was crazy, man. Did you get out to Tulsa and meet some ladies? I didn't mean to anyone, man. Come on. I'm telling you. I had no time, man. I shit, you know, gotta make a little time. You know, it's crazy. People that know coaching, you're there. You're there coaching the season. Obviously it's 24 seven. Soon as the season ends, man, you're, you're taking your staff, you're splitting it up and you're, you've created this recruiting database and you've created this plan. Now we're, we're, we're eight to 10 guys on the road from the end of the season till Christmas break. And so, and we're everywhere in the country. And so, uh, shit, I'm everywhere, man. Just trying to get the

new batch of kids and right. So yeah, never ends. Never ends. But still dude, you a human guy with a couple of nuts on you. No, no, no doubt. At some point, one new one. Yeah, I was flying a men man here and there. There now we're talking. Not now more. I can't, but I did that. Yeah. You know. And that had to be startling, dude, because look, I've done it, bro. You fly somebody in the next thing, you know, like, dude, this one girl I met one time had a real small head, right? And you can't tell them photos and stuff. Dude, I'm talking about, bro, you couldn't even legally bowl with it. You know, it was small. It was too little. Holy shit. And you can't tell them photos. And then I'm hanging out with somebody that got that,

you know, I'm worried her head might, you know, something, you know, cause dangerous could happen. You can't do that online shit, man. That's just dangerous, man. It's dangerous. Well, they call it catfish or something. I just learned what that said was. I didn't know what that said was. Yeah. I'd have been damned if I, if I did that and somebody showed up fucking 500 pounds out of fucking, I would have lost my shit. Or you to put them on the offensive line. D-line. D-line. They can't move very well. You put on D-line. Let's take another call. We had, we had so many submissions. You got a question? Yeah, I actually have a Patreon question from Kyle Savage and he wants to know,

I know you just briefly touched on it, but what do you think you would do if you weren't a coach or involved in football? Like, what do you think? What would I do? I don't know, man. Shit. You know, I'm a great recruiter and that's what my name, I started my name built on recruiting. So, but, but selling cars and shit, that ain't me though, man. Even though everybody says, oh, you could be a salesman, great salesman. I don't have no desire. I think you're, no, I was just saying you're stable of players. It's like a used car lot. No doubt. No doubt. No, but people have told me before, like you can sell a car, you can sell ice on Eskimo, man. Why don't you just sell cars? And I'm like, that ain't my thing.

Probably cause they don't help nobody in my opinion. You know what I mean? Right. So you do have a feeling really that you want to, you do, you feel effective when you're able to help people? Oh yeah. Yeah. That's what allows me to sleep at night, man. Not wins and losses. You know what I mean? Nobody gives shit. And you know what? I've told people. Cause the show doesn't, yeah, I mean, and I know you, you know, you, that you haven't seen it, but the show doesn't show that it just doesn't have that element of you. I know. That's what I'm hearing. It's got more like this Huey P Long kind of like guy,

which is an awesome character, man. Trust me. It's also a character I think we need out in the world, like that a character is still allowed to have like some sort of manly attributes and tell everybody to go fuck themselves if he wants to, you know? It's like that, especially in LA, they're trying to outlaw, you know, they're going to take our balls soon, bro. You know? I think there's some great American words that they didn't like me to say, man. I think mother fuckers, like probably the best one. Oh dude, they said it on some of the boats. If you've listened, they got some, you know, transcripts from the Mayflower. A lot of people are like, yeah, mother fucker, we going to America, bro. Yeah. Columbus, huh?

Hey, I don't know, man. I think there's some words out there that I think kids resonate with better. Yeah. They don't, I couldn't, you think I could whisper sweet nothings to body Bruce, son, please do right. Fucking kidding me. Mom calls them every fucking mother fucking the book. So like, you know, they don't, people in my, they don't know what being in my shoes entails. They don't know where these kids came from and what I have to deal with. And those kids don't know those words. And like you said, a lot of them come from their third grade reading level. Yeah. Third grade reading level, man. And like I said, they ain't built on intellect. If you know how to play the game, you might sign an NFL paycheck regardless. 22 of my NFL guys weren't

fucking scholars. Let me just tell you. Yeah. But they're making millions dollars. Yeah. And it's an experience based life. I think we live. It's not a, it's not built on intellect. I think it's built on hands on experience out there and get your, get your, get your hands dirty, man and figure it out. And I don't know if a piece of paper from a college really means that much. It definitely ain't fucking, you ain't making the money back to pay it off. You ain't making more money than the college degree cost. Well, you're going to work out, you're going to work. Yeah. Over time, you're going to spend 10 years of your working life paying it off for sure. Biggest scam in the country, man. But, um, but yeah, it's interesting because at that level,

then you're only the only thing you can do. You're not a parent to these guys. I mean, you can try to be like, you know, you can try to be a shoulder here and there. You can try to be a role model. But this, the scope of time that you have with them, the fact that they know, everybody knows this is just a curve in the river. We're trying to get you back upstream. There's no bones about any of that, is there? No, not at all. Um, I don't, I don't, like I said, I told people, people were all saying, we won the thing last year. Yes. And everybody I saw in public, not one person said, damn, coach, you're a hell of a coach. You fucking won. So everybody this year was like, man, you're going to get bastards going to an eight. I said, no, I'm not,

nobody gets a fuck about that. Watching that part on the show. I have not yet been told, do your shitty, you were in two and eight. Nobody gets a fuck. They were like, damn, you're crazy motherfuckers. We love you. Yeah. And that's all I've been told. Nobody cares about wins and losses and that shit. People, people think that, that's not really what it's about. Um, now at the SEC, it's wins and losses. Right. NFL, it's wins and losses. Right. You're not molding your boys into men and making them. Yeah, you guys are sous chefs down there. You guys are like prep, not, you know, you're chefs, but you're like prep cooks. You're fucking getting these ingredients ready. We're gutting them and cutting them and skinning them. And yeah,

all that shit. All you guys do. Hunters fuckers do. Would you, would you take a, would you take a job at a different level, you think? You know, I would. Uh, if it, if it ever was that, was that time, you know what I mean? I've had offers way back and I, not as a coach, but like an off the field role and stuff like that. I don't know if I regret it or not. Um, maybe I could be the fucking Clint Eastwood or recruiting man. Yeah. See, I did that man. I think everybody knows that, but they're scared man. You got to understand. I was told by a great man one time, like, you know why you won't go D one. I'm like, what's, what's up? Uh, well, first you're rough around the edges to, um, what's going to happen when you leave

independence? Where are they getting the kids? What's going to happen when you leave Compton college? Where are they getting the players from? Cause I had the best players. And so those guys had to get those guys from somebody. So if I was on their level, kids disappear. And so never look at it that way. And, uh, kind of stuck with me and I was like, fuck, I'm start charging these fuckers then. Yeah, should have. I would love to see a TV show of him coaching Pee Wee football. Maybe I don't know if I could do that. Get to them before they're corrupted and entitled. I hear you, but it, but shit, I'd be fucking in jail, bro. Little slap. The parents and everybody fucked. Oh, fuck them,

bro. The Trump administration would have me in jail, man. Dude, the Trump administration would hire you, I think, bro. Oh, well, fuck, maybe. I don't know. I think, look, man, I think you do. I need somebody in my corner, man. You do. You do great, man. I think you have so, I think you have a lot of people in, uh, I think you have a lot of people in your corner, man. I think it's just nice to hear somebody fucking yell, fuck sometimes, you know. I appreciate it, man. I wish that you could put my payroll then. If you could go back, uh, knowing everything you know now, do you think you still would have done the show or? Yeah, because in my opinion, who am I, man, to take away, uh, young men and platform for an

opportunity from these youngsters. So like the coaches, 17 coaches got jobs. You know, you wouldn't ever know who Kaylen Davis is or, or, or even my two white fucking kids, Chance Mayne and Kerry Buckmaster, they highlighted on the show. Oh yeah. Um, you know, they got my tokens in there. Oh yeah. But you know, they, they did that. Nobody would know who they are. Kerry Buckmaster lived a harder life than most fucking any inner city black kid I ever met. They came with a big hair? In Arizona, yeah. Yeah. So, um, you know, our friend, Nevada, I mean, so, you know, he, uh, fuck, he lived in a car, man, drove up here with fucking tuna fish sandwich, drove across his country to get independence, man. And, and, and, and his time there, he busted his ass for me and,

and, uh, was a very loyal kid and, uh, you know, he was an emotional roller coaster, man, but they all are, and that's my job to try to mold them and help them. And so, uh, hopefully he figures it out and ends up becoming a, uh, you know, has a family and does well in life, you know what I mean? But, but nobody would know those guys and nobody would, and probably 10 of the 17 coaches wouldn't have got those jobs if they weren't on the show. So I don't regret the show. I just, um, maybe I should have did more research on how they were going to depict it. Yeah. But besides that, now, you know, I got those guys an opportunity for, you know, rest of their life to be known. Uh, let's take this question right here.

Coach Brown, I just wanted to see what your new opinion was on the new Caddy lineup. We got the new CT5. We got the new XDS. Uh, CT5 looks like it's got that supercharged V8 in it. So I wanted to know what your opinion was and what your plan is for the new year. Here now, gang, gang, brown crown. Gang, bro. I don't know, man. I'm, uh, I got the, I got the V sport out there in the parking lot, man. I'm a, I'm a speed guy, you know what I mean? So probably the, probably the, the CT was talking about, I guess. So yeah, I'm a speed guy, man, but I've had the, I got the big body too. So I like to get into the Ville. Yeah. And lay back to my dad, my son roof and my dad bought a cutlass off a couple of brothers that lived down the street

from us when I was old, when I was a kid, right? And my dad was old, my dad was 70 when I was born. He was an old man. Oh, yeah. So he would drive us around town in this and he had these speakers in it. My dad couldn't even fucking hear, right? So, bro, we'd be rolling with 22 just listening to NPR, Paul Harvey all the time. Paul Harvey. Bangin, huh? Good day. Yeah, bro. I'm fucking banging, bro. And one of them had Chinese food in it, bro. One of the things was rattled out. What was the shit called back? What? Donks or what are they called back down there? When they put the big ass rims on the fucking cutlass? I don't know. People just called them, I think, spinners, 22s. I don't know what people called them back then.

Now, you weren't born when spinners were around. Fuck you. No, I was before. No, that was probably when I was like 16 or something, spinners, you know, the Trolls, Spreewells or whatever. That's when they started. Those were the spinners. How old are you? 22s, I think was the only thing I heard. I'm 39. Are you? Yeah. Okay, you're younger than me. Some people said, yeah, maybe, I don't know, they fucking had rims then. White wall. I remember some people paint the white walls. That was it, dude. I mean, everybody, the only nicest thing you could have us was a five-point or Mustang. No, that was big time. Yeah, that thing was big, bro. Convertible.

This one dude floored it one time and these two fucking real pasty bitches fell right off the back, dude. They were sitting on the back like they were in a parade, but they weren't in a parade. They got cherry. And they fucking rolled right off the back, bro. They got cherry marks on their elbows. It's like rug burn, man. Jason Brown, I'm trying to think of a neat job that I would like to see you doing, man. I don't know, man. You might be one of the last ones like you, bro. Yeah, I know. That's what I'm hearing, man. Somebody maybe, I don't know. We'll see what happens after this, man. I mean, shit. Bestseller book, man. It's a, so you know,

like Tony Dungey went on Twitter and was like basically saying, telling people, you know, I played for coaches that didn't coach like Coach Brown and you didn't need to cuss and stuff. Oh yeah. Tony Dungey seems a little fucking soft though. My rebuttal is like you weren't in junior college and those guys weren't coaching junior college kids. So it's a little different. Yeah, I can only imagine, man. It's already easy enough for, it's already, these players are already treated like royalty at some of these universities. They're already given a lot of second, third, fourth, fifth chances. But the moral of that story I was telling you is that book's the bestseller. Tony Dungey's isn't. Gang, bro. I respect it. I'm gonna go with that.

Yeah. I'm ahead of Tom Brady, too. Fuck me. Believe that or not. And his book sales, I don't know if I believe that. Yeah, Google it. Really? Fuck, I was just told by my publisher. I was the number one book. I hope so. She didn't lie and I'm a fire ass. Look, I'm ready to read it. They had a coach that gave you a book, the ego book. Read my quote in there, man. Is it from his? No, I wrote you a quote in there. Let me see. From Paige, man. Dude, I appreciate the support and love. Much respect for what you do. Gang, gang, my best coach, Brown. W-I-N, bro.

Win, man. You know what that means? What's important now? That's my thing. There's a chapter in there. Beat it up. I appreciate this. I will. Coach Brown, thank you so much for being here with us. Appreciate you, man. I appreciate any time, man. Do it again. I really appreciate it, man. I wish you the best of luck and... Definitely. Yeah. Definitely. Appreciate you guys. Time to feel the power of movement. The first-ever Lexus RX500H F-Sport performance takes exhilaration to the next level. Sees every second with an innovative hybrid powertrain that presents thrills at every turn. Those who yearn

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