This Past Weekend - Michael Rosenbaum | This Past Weekend #114

Episode Date: July 19, 2018

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Your hair looks great. Thanks, man. I just got up, bro. Really? Fucking head. Just haven't been sleeping that good. I just got back from China. So, we rolling, bud? All up, bro. Really? Fucking head. Just haven't been sleeping that good. I just got back from China. So, we rolling, bud?

All right, cool. Dude, thanks for coming in today. Yeah, it's exciting. Yeah. It seems like it was a little, I wouldn't say messy. Yeah. But it seems like I walked in, the first thing you said was, you look like shit. Yeah.

Which was, was that true? Was that a true statement? I mean, first of all, move the mic down a little bit. You're hiding behind the mic. Okay. Which is a novice, nov mean, first of all, move the mic down a little bit. You're hiding behind the mic. Okay. Which is a novice, novice podcaster. Yeah, my bad. Move.

Okay. Second, did I think you look like shit? How do you think you look? Well, I thought this was just a podcast. I thought, you know, we weren't going to video it. So I brought my cut-off sweatpants and LeBron shirt that hasn't been washed. Wow.

Immediately on the LeBron wagon. Well, no. See, I'm one of those guys who just, I don't really know anything about basketball. I could name five players, but I like LeBron. People give him shit. We don't talk sports, but the fact that he was in Cleveland, moved just to get a championship, came back to Cleveland, won a championship, then came out to L.A.

Yeah. At the end of your career, you've done everything. Why not play for the Lakers? Yeah. You know? And I live here, so it'd be fun to see him. So, yeah, I'm on the wagon. Fuck it.

Did – now, who was also on the wagon is who? Michael Rappaport? Is he on the wagon or he hates LeBron? He hates LeBron. Does he hate LeBron? Ha, so now LeBron's out here. Well, I'm a Knicks fan, and we have nothing to root for. Well, you guys put all that money on Carmelo.

Yeah, he's just terrible. He's not a champion. Well, he's just not a team player. Right. That's what I felt. Yeah. So, yeah, it was a little disconcerting to watch those years. And you're a hockey guy, right?

Big hockey fan, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I love hockey. I think it's the best sport in the world. You saw that, because recently the Las Vegas Knights, right? Yeah, that's right. You're not a hockey fan yeah yeah yeah i love hockey i think it's the best sport when you saw that like because recently the las vegas nights right yeah that's right you're not a hockey fan are you not a hockey fan well i grew up in louisiana we didn't even have i remember one time we got some ice and uh one time you got ice everybody used it yeah people used to keep meat cold and everything like that and that was it if you'd have been caught skating on that dude somebody would have

beat your ass beat your ass yeah well it would have just been treason you know it would have been high treason actually you know skating on a just a you know such a usable good well i grew up in indiana southern indiana we had like there was there was like a rink or two so that's where i started playing hockey so i guess when you get down to that midwest you can still maybe get an occasional rink yeah indiana once you get down to louisiana i think yeah you're right i don't i don't really know a lot of people that play in louisiana there's not a lot of nhl players from louisiana right but uh yeah uh we were close relatively close to michigan a couple hours chicago ohio cold cold states chicago is not a state but it's a city did you feel but it could be a state it could be you know what i'm saying it depends also if you have a mentally handicapped friend who doesn't know that much and he might think

it's a state, he might think it's a theme park. Some people think it's a theme park. Chicago's a theme park? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know that. You think Chicago's a theme park? The whole Midwest is a theme park for me. I'm from La Crosse, Wisconsin.

Oh, really? Yeah, I love Chi-Town. That's a cold place, man. Very cold. That's why I'm here. Yeah, those people, yeah, they get cold over there. There's a lot of premature baby country, too. You know that?

Premature baby country? Yeah, isn't it? I think that just afflicted me. What is premature baby? Theo is convinced I'm a premature baby. I didn't say that. I don't know my biological parents that well, so it's quite possible. So you think he just came out too soon?

Yeah, at least smoking during pregnant pregnancy he seemed like he just got here early sometimes i feel like i yeah i that makes you ever feel that about yourself right now really i just i didn't sleep well last night my dog was moving around uh yeah i just kind of feel out of it uh i think i might have been in the bed with the dog i do sleep in the bed with the dog and i you know for some reason every night i think you know what this night i'm gonna have him sleep outside of the door. And he's going to sleep outside of the room, and I'm going to get some good sleep. But there's something about it now that I need his warmth.

Now, do you start to worry that that will replace, because you're not married, right? No. Now, do you worry, though, that that, like, you know, that, say, whatever vibe you were going to, like, say your instincts were, like, thinking, oh, it would be nice to have a woman here, that you fill those with the dog, and then you end up not, you know, like it's just less of a push to get married. I mean, if you even want to or to have a- I don't know.

The dog's 10, which is 70 really, and I've been dating this girl for like six months, and she likes the dog. Oh, she does. But she sort of needs the dog on the bed too. Maybe it's her safety net too. It's like, oh, he's here, but I kind of need the dog. Oh, she does. But she sort of needs the dog on the bed too. Maybe it's her safety net too. It's like, oh, he's here, but I kind of need the dog to balance things out.

It also separates us a little so you don't have to cuddle or do some shit like that. The dog's like, hey, buddy, come right in there in the middle. And the dog just gets there and you're like, all right, fuck off for a while. Yeah, but I like dating a woman who doesn't always have to be so attached. Oh, yeah yeah i think touching

next touching somebody while you sleep sometimes can be really bizarre i think it's rude yeah if you're sleeping don't you know there's no reason to touch them you know a lot of countries don't do it it's really an american thing is it yeah you don't see people in france doing that oh the french are who gives a fuck what they do i feel like but it's like um if you go to some other real countries right um i think real countries yeah you don't um the only reason yeah yeah well look the only reason france isn't gone is because people are you know kind of trying to be patient with them but i think that um that if you go to some real countries yeah dude you go to russia you go to like nigeria senegal these people are not sleeping next to not hugging at

night it's almost insane to hug someone and also be asleep at the same time when you think about that yeah that's really weird some people need to hold on to people to fall asleep are you a are you a cuddler do you do you have a girlfriend no um i have a yeah i've got a girl that i've yeah i got a girl that i've been seeing and we but we do not sleep on the same bed you know you sleep on the same bed well we sleep on the same bed where we sleep in separate realms of it yeah like i roll over i'm i'm facing the wall she faces the wall on the other side yeah i think that's really important it's like give give me my space yeah i like to roll i punched her in the face the other night um inadvertently um i just rolled over for a stretch in the middle of the night and bam.

Are you a hard stretcher? I'm a harder puncher. You know what? Well, it just was one of those things where I felt so bad. I'd never punched a girl. And was it out of a cold sleep and then you hit? Oh, yeah. I was like, oh, my God.

She's like, what happened? I'm like, I punched you in the face the dog's angry yeah fucking the you know the dog wasn't there at that time see that shows you i need the dog there yeah i was uh actually sharing a bed with a friend of mine and we're just sharing a hotel room a buddy and then we each met some girls one time and we're all sharing beds in new york and out of And I was in a dead sleep just in a, and I like punched, like actually punched this girl that was with me. You almost said chick, didn't you? I mean, she was of age. Everyone was of age.

And I like punched her. I woke up and I had punched her. No reason? No. Were you drunk? No, it was a scary, just a scary dream or something that happened. punched her i woke up and i had punched like i it just no reason no were you drunk it would know it was a scary just skim scary dream or something that happened and she was rushing dude and she had a straight cranium on her bro she had a fucking you know from like the temples up she

was like buster douglas you know so it didn't even phase her she had a real top piece it definitely woke her up you know do you feel bad she was like i think i have to go pee that was it strong woman right there strong woman could take a little punch like that wow holy shit and i mean honestly made me and i and i don't mean like it made me like almost respect like wow like that this is a real tough lady you know yeah you need a tough woman in your life dude i had a woman one time in brazil put her hand in my in my pocket to steal my money right and this is a dark woman i guess she was uh she was in america they would say a black woman in brazil i'm not sure if it was you know sometimes people say like in you know it's different kind of colors different connotation

different vibe or whatever but she looked like a kind of a black woman in america and she put her hand in my pocket on all my money was pulling it out and so i take my other hand and like pin her hand against my side and then she's still trying to do it and so um now i pull my hand out of my own pocket i have her hand pins against my side and we're punching each other with our loose hands me and this woman you're trading blows with this woman from brazil and she was a fucking man in the face yeah in the neck i mean bro yeah she was gonna steal she would have stolen anything she would have stole my she would anything i put in her hand she was gonna steal or didn't put in her hand because i didn't yeah why would you want to do that i wouldn't

and she was stealing everything and man i felt like i was getting stolen from and you just changed like exchange blows with your opposite hand your loose hand yeah and it's harder than you think like if you have like one of your hands kind of pinned against your cross that one's crossed and you're trying to do one of these these little yeah that's a weird way to fight someone yeah that should be on tv those matches. Yeah, one-arm fighting. The Alanis Morissette fight, one hand in my pocket and just another in your neck. Yeah, dude, that'd be great. We should start that.

Do the Alanis Morissette fights. Yeah, what do you think, man? Dude. I'm into it. I'm into it. I love that, man. That's a great idea. What would be another cool sport to start?

You ever think about something like that? Yeah, another sport. Shit, man. There's so many. We need a new sport, you know? What sport do you think is going to go? Something naked. I'd love to see.

Naked and afraid is such a big thing now. People love that show. Imagine you're doing a sport like naked you don't like that idea yeah uh-uh i don't is there something playing sorry i just kept hearing something um if they do i like a naked i like naked and afraid but you hear that i think that's fighter and the guy oh could be um do you uh but if i had to pick a sport here's my question do you what sport do you think is going to disappear first that's what i wonder because i don't know if all of these sports are going to stay afloat forever you know baseball has definitely gotten boring it's gotten boring but i think it's kind of just it's just so midwest

so universal you know well i wouldn't say universal, but it's America. It's like people think. Football, with all the injuries and the head injuries, and they lost a lot of – I mean, I don't know if that will ever go away, but now it's getting more and more dangerous. Right. I mean, they're going to take fighting out of hockey. I don't – shit, I don't know.

Everybody – so you know what's funny is everybody who loves soccer says soccer is going to be the biggest sport in the world. It is the biggest sport in the world because of the World Cup. Right. So every four years you have to hear how it's the best sport in the world. I don't agree with that. And then you don't hear about it anymore. For four more years.

In America. I mean, I think in the rest of the world, yeah, it's great. I mean, I think the World Cup's amazing. I watched as many games as I could. Yeah, it's great. I don't watch soccer. The second I turn on American soccer, it's not appealing at all to me yeah and i just like the sport where there's more goals scored i mean i just don't want to watch hey there's 90 minutes and nothing's happened

oh that guy fell down again yeah it's competitive and fun in the world cup but yeah american soccer i don't know we're gonna get reamed i would like to watch a guy who's like texting around on his wife but also living with her like in the same house you know it's sneakily texting other women i think if you could if they could that's a sport it is it's definitely one of the most popular sports in america i wish that they had a way to make it like a way that we could keep score at home and like watch it you know i feel like i wonder if more natural things that we do as humans if if we just videotape those, you know what I'm saying? Since there's going to be more like we're getting into the time where everything is videotaped. Like Truman Show kind of shit, where it's just all the time.

Right. And then somehow within those, idiosyncrasies or behaviors of humans become like a sport. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I think that could be kind of cool because I think a lot of guys probably do that. A lot of women do that yeah you know they're like acting like their lives all great bouncing around the house and secretly texting some right yeah you've never done that you seem like a good guy you wouldn't do that oh no man i've struggled a lot man i've struggled a

lot with that kind of stuff dude that stuff's hard cheating yeah you've struggled with cheating yeah i've never been good at it what about you never been good at cheating or never been a cheater i've been a cheater i've never been good at cheating i've been good at it but it never ends well in the end it it's i've never been good at it because it makes me feel like a bad person but i'm unable to like not do it you know i'm saying yeah it's it's a tough one i've never believe it or not i've never cheated wow and i haven't been i've been in some like yeah it's tough for me i just can't live with myself like you said that i'm just not good at i just feel so horrible like why am i why would i do this yeah you know there's even like you know some girl gave me her number like years ago and

i was dating this person she goes hey call me and she was so pretty and i was like oh yeah and then afterwards i took her number and i deleted i was like oh my god what did i do because i felt like this is you know this i shouldn't be doing this is the girl doing this to me i don't know i'm weird like that yeah there's a lot of you're not weird like that i mean that's the right way to do it yeah and it's also like a balancing even like when you're dating man have you ever noticed this when you're dating it's like you always have you know especially when you're in your 20s or 30s how old are you now i'm in my 30s i'm 38 yeah i'm 46 are you really yeah i can't be doing this shit so when you said that you look like shit i probably look better now you look better now because i don't look for maybe 40 i look like for early 40s maybe you look better

now than when you came in the room really i've woken up a little bit yeah oh good that's a treat by the end of this you could look fucking really good i could look 40 brad pitty throws at me you kind of look brad like brad pitt on your picture the past weekend with theovon that's a really handsome picture you are a handsome guy i'm an eight bro i got a big nose and my eyes are kind of a little too polish my dad my friend dac said i was an eight he says you're a six and looks and a ten in personality so you're a solid eight so i was like hey that's cool eight's the one to get it's universal you know it's kind of it's filled out like you know i think eights kind of know some of the strengths and know their weaknesses 10 seem imagine being a 10 no i can't do it because

you're only going one way yeah down if you're 10 you're only going down that's why i feel like all these hot guys like bradley cooper and you know yeah they're gorgeous he looks like a llama a little bit though he looks like it's like kind of a strong llama a strong llama good looking llama you know what i'm saying he's long and you know it's a little too long you know really think so you know the thing is is if he's a 10 now you only got one way to go for us guys like us well you're better looking than me i'm like it but i feel like hey when i get older i'm not maybe i'll look a little better right or And now you only got one way to go. For us, guys like us, well, you're better looking than me. But I feel like, hey, when I get older, maybe I'll look a little better. Here's the difference.

You won't notice when I start to look worse, as you will somebody who's really good looking. When they get a little worse, everybody notices. Oh, what happened to Bradley Cooper? Yeah. Oh, God, he really fell off. And all he did was he has a little bit of jam on his cheek from breakfast. Some jam. That's all it was.

It was a little jam. And he's just going downhill. We have jam on our cheek? Yeah. It's cute. People are like, oh, God, look at that. God, that cute jam. Look at that little smucker bunny. You know?

It's true. Yeah. That's my theory on all of it. Well, dude, I love that. That is the best thing about being an eight. It's like you have room to grow. You have room to flow kind of a little bit. You know what I'm saying?

You have the potential. You could show up and be an eight and a half at a wedding. You know what I'm saying? That's true. You throw on a suit, Theo Vaughn, and you're kicking close to an eight and a half, nine. I bet you clean up real well. No, no, no, no. I don't think that.

But I think that you can look like, I love this. I love the idea that everybody should think that they're an eight, because here's what I also think is that, you know, like, like your buddy Dax told you that you have, that you're a 10 in personality and a six in looks, right? And if his calculations could be off, dude, or they could be, you know, pretty correct. But the thing is, is that it's great to have – I feel like we all even out. It all fucking evens out, dude. So it's like somebody that's rich could be a fucking piece of shit, right?

Yeah. Somebody that has one arm could have a huge dick, right? Somebody that can't read could be Rain Man. So everybody has their strengths is what you're saying. man you know it's like everybody has their strengths is what you're saying like everybody has their strength but it's all in in the end if you're able to get a complete look at somebody it all evens out so i think everybody is an eight really well that's nice of you to say that i think everybody's an eight is it nick he could do it dude but he was born early yeah you're a premature baby i may be a six but if i was

full term i'd be an six but if i was full term i'd be an eight yeah here's the thing he'll live probably 80 years he'll never hit nine months you know what i'm saying he'll live 80 years but he'll never be a right child journeyman yeah dude he's like sam perkins or whatever of like genetics was your mom a stoner or anything like that oh come on guy she was all those things well my mom was my mom was stoner or anything like that oh come on she was all those things well my mom was my mom was on valium and a lot of drugs and things like that a lot of drugs and also schizophrenia oh wow she had schizophrenia yeah yeah you should see this documentary called uh three identical strangers that's out right now it's pretty fucked up looking for nick davis

premature dude where is the premature baby documentary and how that all plays out Looking for Nick Davis. Looking for Nick Davis. Old Nick Davis. Premature. Dude, where is the premature baby documentary and how that all plays out? I wonder how that affects children. Can I follow you around for the rest of the day? Absolutely. Just for the day. I just want to see what your life's like. All right?

I'm going to be here for the next 12 hours. Do you think that you have any of that stuff? Your mom's schizophrenic. Is she really schizophrenic? She really is. And I've totally like, they always say 30 is kind of like this point where it's safe. And I've always kind of taken self-inventory, been like, am I fucking crazy right now? But I think I'm cool.

I think I'm all right. Yeah? Yeah. And now once you get through the 30s and you're safe of having the onset of it or no? That's like all the literature says i mean i'm sure there's anomalies that happen later 30s but everybody says late 20s you're kind of you're kind of safe what are signs i just want to know what signs are so if we see any in the next 30 45 minutes in here we could let you know hearing voices uh well we heard that right now not even in a podcast

you're you're right i might not even be producing this podcast it's also delusion delusions of grandeur i'm sitting in a room with michael rosenbaum and theovan right now i don't think so is that is that anything like borderline personality schizophrenia you know what that is i'm not a psychologist borderline personality disorder uh-? Uh-uh. Uh-uh. It'd be great to have a guest on that has it so we could talk about that, though. You don't have any issues?

What do I have? I think I'm probably a little bit on the autism thing somewhere, you know? Outside of that. What else, dude? ADD? Yeah. I think I have attention deficit disorder. Trying to think of what else outside of that, dude. Depression?

Yeah. Probably depression. What else? You said nothing, and we've already named three but those to me are blood like those are like blessings well they're just easy those are like people have real fucking issues yeah yeah yeah yeah and also america is like so it's almost like we get into this creature comfort like it's almost like having a disease has become like a creature comfort in a weird way i think you're right man it's like almost like you know and i feel like that like it's it's nice in

a way that everybody can express like hey i have depression or i have this and that's that's a good thing but i feel like yeah now we're seeing everybody's got something wrong yeah everybody's got it but isn't that warming isn't that like uh kind of like a nice thing to, not that I wish people bad things, but to know that everybody's got their shit, so it makes you feel like, hey, I'm not worse than anybody. Everybody's struggling. Everybody's got their shit. Right.

So that's good. It's good to know that, hey, you have a little depression. I have a little depression. You have a little anxiety? Yeah. You get anxiety? Oh, yeah. You have anxiety attacks?

No, I used to get them more when I was younger. I don't get them that much anymore. Yeah. You know? But it's nice, though. He has he has schizophrenia you know you've got a little shit going on i got shit we're human yeah no i think it's uh look i i try to live in that space that you know i feel like i feel like the one place i feel like what hollywood's done a bad job of of acting like people are human you know It's like they create this idea that people aren't, and then they just use those elements to sell stuff. I feel like there's a lot of Hollywood celebrities who are kind of stuck in a way.

They're in this old world where they can't just be themselves, and then there's another generation that's just like, like oh i'm just being whatever i want to be that kind of is like kind of like instagrammers and youtubers those people that are just kind of making their own way that don't really need hollywood as much you know right um anyway that's one thing i just kind of noticed in the industry uh yeah but i think it's important like i mean it's funny because you know you're coming on my podcast yeah and that's i didn't even know what i was going to do with the podcast but that's what it turned into it became therapy for me and then it became therapy for the guests and then people were listening going hey these people are talking about real shit just like about anxiety and all this stuff and i think that's

what's like kind of it's important to see like everybody's got their shit yeah we all have our shit oh yeah well we're just broken i mean we're all broken yeah we're not well you know but i also think that i do believe or i'm starting to believe and i could be totally wrong is that it's like there's this thing where you you get so comfortable as a country like i was just in china the other day this past week and those people don't seem like they're thinking about that kind of shit everybody's doing stuff everybody's cruising and moving forward it just seems like everybody's in the past or fucking not ripped in china they're ripping off the rearview mirror moving forward yeah

and it seems like we're kind of like in this place where it's like you can dawdle like you can be taken care of by the guy like it's like there's just so many like there's tell there's like fibromyalgia which is members of television disease it started is it not real you don't think that's real what you don't think that's real what is it from a snake bites what the fuck is it from dude i don't know chronic fatigue yeah sure bro i'm always tired i got fibromyalgia look if you've seen 600 episodes of fucking prices right yeah you're always tired i I got fibromyalgia. Dude, look. If you've seen 600 episodes of fucking Price is Right, yeah, you're always tired, motherfucker. I've probably seen quite a few.

You know, I'd like to buy a Z. That's all you're doing. Fucking get up and go. That's not Price is Right. That's Wheel of Fortune. Yeah, but you know what I'm talking about, dude. But I do know what you're talking about. You know what I'm saying, bro?

And I know exactly what you're talking about. That's so fucking true, man. Dude. I think that you just nailed it, man. And I hate to say it because people are out there listening who have that. I thought you were going to say there's people out there going hey people know the difference between price is right and the wheel of fortune what the fuck are you talking about but yeah i like i like that idea that moving forward because i think you know my therapist once

said he stood up in front of me with his genitals in front of my face yeah yeah yeah not naked genitals was it studs off of uh melrose it was the rage over in santa monica and he stood over him he goes michael you've got one foot in the past you've got one foot in the future and he grabbed his genitals and goes and you're pissing on the present wow and i thought that was incredibly profound sans the genitals in the face but i really felt like you know he's right it's so simple that's so simple everybody's always worried about oh my god marcia she called she told people i was the bitch yeah or oh my god your your your brother is an asshole he's like 20 years ago this happened everybody's always thinking about all this shit or oh my god God, I just need money.

I just need this. I need this to be happy. And we all do it. We need all these things that we don't have. We're worried about the future. What's the past? The past is fucking me. And if you just try,

and there's a lot of shit right now going on with meditation. And by the way, it's great. It's great. Like I never did. I always looked down on it. I was like meditation yeah i don't need to meditate and i wake up and i'm like 15 minutes to just take my thoughts away all the other shit and just sort of be here yeah and it's weird and that shit it does help to try

it's hard to be present it's really hard to be present yeah i think it's you know it's funny i was thinking about this last night like it's hard to be present like especially now i think our phones are something that take us out of, you're still present. I was just going to say it. But you're in a different packet. It's kind of like you're being repurposed or repackaged. Your attention is being taken out of your presence. It's like you're still present, but your attention is, I don't know.

Limited. Yes. Well, how about this how about how many times you think that we're talking right now if we weren't on this there'd be sort of a i don't know a propensity to just kind of grab your phone like you know we you're with your girlfriend or you're with your friend you're like yeah man so how's work going it's all pretty good oh cool man yeah i'm glad you finally got a job that's so cool rob yeah but um yeah and then you're on your phone it's almost like you're compelled to just you're always thinking about i gotta get a check what do

you what do we have to check what's the we got we got an email five seconds later yeah somebody said i might miss something one they're like what if i miss you know what if something happens the reality is this what happened in the 80s and 90s dude i miss that i really do i'm not knocking technology but don't you just i remember when my friend danny cutter recall i still remember his number eight one two eight five three six four six four and you guys can call that actually you can call it you can call it and ask for the late i shouldn't have given you that number that he didn't live there anymore he doesn't four families later but you can still call and ask you can still ask for daniel cutter and say is he there and they're gonna like he doesn't live here anymore like well

lucky he used to yeah and say if you see him tell him to meet me at newberg cinema at 8 p.m uh we're gonna see uh last of the mohicans yeah we're gonna see uh pink cadillac yeah dude and that's what we did and you just hoped he'd be there yeah you thought hey danny's gonna meet me there at eight and it's gonna be all right yeah and you have to check your text there. Yeah. You thought, hey, Danny's going to meet me there at eight and it's going to be all right. Yeah. And you have to check your text every 10 minutes to see if he's going to cancel or he just showed up at Newburgh Civitan.

Right. And then your attention was, you were excited about seeing him. So it's like your attention was like, you're like, oh yeah, where's my buddy? You're thinking about the movie. You know, your attention and your focus are in those things. Whereas like, yeah, it's just like our focus gets taken away for a little bit. That's the,

that's the thing. So it's like, you know, it's, um, I don't know yet, like waters down, it waters, it waters everything down in a weird way. It's like, yeah, I know I'm going to see my sister, but I've already talked to her five times this week or i've already texted with her 20 times this week it's like it's just not the same you know yeah maybe there's something something we can do like i do a thing where we're having breakfast or something with my friends and we're sitting there and i go hey everybody's cell phone in the middle everybody put their cell phones in the middle if you want your cell phone you're paying for breakfast if you grab your phone you're paying for breakfast let's all have an hour where we just sit here and talk to each other yeah

and i think that's you know that's i could see that i'd eat breakfast with you probably in silence sometime you do oh you can talk still you would you're like wait does that mean i have to talk to you fuck yeah you don't have to but as long as you're present as long as you just look and eating your food and you're there you're not distracted by anything other than the food but that's okay that's i'll deal with that if theo just wants to have his food um i was thinking the other day i was thinking yesterday man so you know we all have family members that have passed away or whatever my dad passed away when I was kind of young, maybe 16, not super young. But I was thinking yesterday, I was like, man, it'd be nice to see my dad, right, to spend time with him.

But then I started thinking, but how long would I hang out with my dad before I'd be like, man, dad, I'm going to go do something. I'm playing with birds. Yeah. I'm going to go fucking. do something i'm playing birds yeah i'm gonna go fucking like how long before you hanging out with somebody you haven't seen your whole life you would give anything to see it to spend time with and then you saw them and then how long till you fucking peek at your phone you know what i'm saying how long hey this is so great i'm so great you're so glad you're alive yeah i just want to check the dow real quick oh my god we're down 40 i'm gonna call

my business manager real quick yeah yeah you know what it's crazy but it's crazy to think that's a crazy thought because you think oh my god i'd spend every waking hour for the next 20 years right no you wouldn't and the reality is too is i don't see my family that much i see my mom she lives in indiana i see her once a year for a couple days. I see my dad maybe once or twice a year. He lives in New York. I don't see my family very often. And the great thing about technology, the opposite of what we were just talking about, is I can FaceTime and see my grandfather, see my grandmother, see everybody.

So that is pretty significant. That's significant. It is. That is significant. But maybe if I didn't have it, I'd say, I have to go visit them. I have to see them. Maybe I'd go see them more. But maybe this is a't have it, I'd say, I have to go visit them. I have to see them. Maybe I'd go see them more. But maybe this is a cop out.

It's like, oh, but I'm seeing them. Right. I'm seeing them on this phone here. So maybe, I don't know, man. Right. So I wonder if we're going to start to evolve into, like you're saying it right now, I have to see them, right? I wonder if there's going to be some new turn of phrase or something that's going to be actually that i have to actually spend you know like it you know because it used to be i can't wait to see my grandparents but now you visually you get that like that's been appeased you know yeah so

it's like then what is it going like virtual reality touching my grandparents right or is it gonna be do you feel that grandma yeah yeah i feel that she's like what's that that's warm yeah and she comes and you're like oh wow man i hope my grandma does it did grandma still come bro this is we're gonna take this part out we have a lot you started i just was wondering if grandma's come i don't even you kept it going i can understand a guy says something every now and then you know i think i just said i just want it as a question i just like to be educated there's no stupid questions look i understand somebody throws a grenade into a fucking into a into a into a busy family dinner you know but you throw it back

what's wrong with that no but the guy who picks it up and like shows it to everybody in the dinner is that what i did yeah so everybody's looking at it when it blows up that's fucked up so i showed that that cum grenade to everybody at dinner is what i did i don't know man um all right i'll stop that i don't want to think about my grandma blanche coming either so you're you're starting to look definitely better than when you walked in really yeah yeah i didn't i was asleep you know i really i was really i'm bummed if i looked like shit in the beginning i apologize and i appreciate your honesty theo but um i didn't know cameras i you know i think giannini, we play hockey together. Yeah, you told me that.

And I forgot. I don't read things that well. I have ADD, and I didn't know there were cameras. But I'm okay. I think your audience is probably cool like this. I'm just shorts and a shirt. I'm not going to wear a suit or anything. I'm out of fancy pants.

Well, some people, I think, were also thinking we'd come in as a little bit more of like your superhero attire and also, but Lex Luthor is not a superhero. Um, and he's a super villain. He's super villain. Yeah.

Some people call him the, like the antihero or I don't know. Do you think he had the ability to, and for some of our listeners that, that don't know, uh, Michael played Lex Luthor on Smallville, right?

For seven years, seven years For... Seven years, man. Seven years. That's a long haul. Yeah, it was a long haul. And do you start to feel as like... Like... So, as an actor

and as a character, like having a character, do you... Is there a certain point like after a certain number of seasons or episodes or maybe it's immediate that the character

actually starts to feel more like yours and you're able to do some things yeah you know what's weird is it was like i was always like funny guy and doing you know i was doing some comedies at the time i did with your buddy harlan williams who i love i was i was taking a hike with tom green and harlan a couple of weeks ago and they just randomly go theo vaughn man is fucking funny have you seen his and tom's like yeah man they start talking about you like that's yeah he's a good guy just i had dinner with him at bobby lee's birthday party in the middle of nowhere yeah

harlem's so nice i don't know tom as well but yeah but they think the world tom's canadian though and they're so nice yeah all all of them i think all of them are nice well how did they do it and living right next to us yeah that's weird in the cold man um what was i saying bro my my i wake up my ac's two degrees too long fucking furious what do you keep it on to sleep i'm at 69 are you and i didn't say that to be funny but you're also lex luther oh yeah lex luther yeah oh so anyway yeah the lex luther thing you know i was always doing funny stuff so i got this raw i was like they're gonna fire me there's no way i'm gonna play this serious role my friends are like they cast you as this and i shaved my head and then i started

wearing these suits and i don't you know and it was it was just did you think it could really be you in the beginning like we'd like were you on like because sometimes you get cast as something you're like oh this is i can do this and then sometimes you're like maybe they see this maybe they see something that i don't fully see yet like was there any of that or what was it i was nervous i had a lot of confidence i gave the best audition of my life they asked me they go hey be serious here be dangerous here be funny here because there's 700 other guys auditioned for and i go what did 700 other guys do that that you want didn't do that you want me to do? And they said, well, just be dangerous.

So I remember we had three pages of dialogue. I've told this story, but I circled be charismatic here. Be dangerous here. Be funny here. And on three pages, I chose to do that. I made distinct decisions. I differentiated whatever. And I just did it.

And I had a lot of confidence because I really at first didn't want it. And I was like, what is this? I'm not going to get. I just, for one of the the i could be insecure as fuck i could be i could not have the uh uh the confidence and i did that day and uh so when they cast me i was like they're gonna fire me this isn't me i can't i can't play this villain i can't and they shaved my head i looked in the mirror and i go oh you look different you look a little weirder not that bald people are real but but I looked weird.

I looked a little different. I had this matrix bump on the back of my head, which I still have, occipital bone, and I just looked different. And that helped me transform. Then they put Armani suits on me. Look at me. I wear T-shirts and sweats. And that was a problem, too, when I went out with women.

I think they thought they were dating Lex Luthor, and they were dating Lex Luthor. I didn't have a suit. I have a conversion van in the front. I just wasn't, you know, I wasn't like as cool and smart as they thought, you know, this character was. Sammy Luthor. They got Sammy Luthor. Sam Luthor.

Yeah. But I just, I fell into it. I got comfortable in the dialogue and they let me start to be myself in a way, a heightened version, darker version. And did that start to grow myself in a way a heightened version darker version and did that start to grow over time like did you start to because i know sometimes in the beginning of things they just you know they want to get things established like even just as like you know but were you able as a care are you able to like create the character more as time goes on and you know like what little bounds and things that that character can do on screen that are still going to come off yeah the biggest fight for me was they they were you know it's like when is

he going to come evil i can't become evil but i could have moments and i could have like little nuances and things like that that you could say oh there is that dark side there is that so it was me just trying to keep it in check because i knew i had six or seven seasons to do it in if the show was going to be successful and i if i got if I started twirling the mustache, like, ha, ha, then I was fucked. I was like, okay, he's evil. But so it was one of those things where I'd call the guys and I'd say, hey. And they were great and collaborative. We were trying to work on something now together.

Alan Miles, who created Smallville and Badlands, Into the Badlands, a bunch of shit. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they were awesome. And they were just like, I was like, hey, isn't this a little too menacing? He's like, you know what? We wrote it, but we know you're going to play a little against that. Always fight things. So the best thing to do when you're playing a villain or you're playing a,

and I don't know if a lot of people do this, but the secret is play the opposite. If it's so dark, if you play the opposite, it's still going to be dark, but it's like you're not playing into the darkness. Right. Now the darkness is like a subtlety of yours. It becomes subtle. So people will say, oh, and he did that with his eye that was actually a twitch right that's when the darkness really comes through yeah and so it was fun but i'm like add like you i kind of got like i'm after season one i'm like okay i did this what's the next project but i was like oh you got six years left buddy but i i evolved and and the

character you know became kind of fun and then let me sort of bounce around ideas. And there's episodes where, hey, I knew I got to freak out in this episode because something happened so I could play this dark Lex. So freaking out and being maniacal. Wes Craven once told me it was the best. Wes Craven, the murder man, the mystery murder mystery? Well, he's director of Nightmare on Elm Street Wes Craven the murder man the mystery murder mystery well he's director Nightmare on Elm Street yeah mystery murder man yeah well but he he's one of my favorites and I worked with him and he just said he said to me you know you're gonna play an amazing I don't know psycho killer likable murderer something like and I go what he's like no this is a good thing in

your career and I go well Lex Lee because no this is a good thing in your career and i go well lex league is no no no there's something else that's gonna happen because you and it was just a compliment i just loved west cravey's my hero and this was before your lex luther no this was as i was doing lex luther so this was something else but i was like i like to go a little nuts you know in life you can't really go nuts because people think you're nuts but if you can go nuts on screen and take all that shit that bothers you or that fucked up stuff as a child, like things that I resented or things that I remembered

and channel it through emotion, I don't know if it's fun, but it's cathartic and it's real, and I noticed that when I would do it, it would get a rise out of people. I could see the creators and the show and the people and the fans would be like, I was like, oh, my. I was like, oh.

Because I didn't know freaking out on screen would look real. Do I look menacing? I'm kind of a pussy in real life, maybe. I don't know. Am I tough enough? How does this come off? Yeah. How does this come off?

But you just trusted it and just went. So when the dialogue was there and you start to see me freaking out in the early seasons and certain episodes wearing a straight jacket and just going for going for it i just went for it and i think that's something when you're younger too i was 27 28 29 and i talk about this in my podcast it's like you know that ambition that i want to do anything i just want to you know and then you get older and you start to i don't know if you lose that but that that drive that motivation but back then i was just like unstoppable i felt like i fuck it man i'm young and do you ever feel like when you get older you just that you lose that a little bit that fire yeah i mean i think i did you definitely lose what do i lose that's a good question as i get older what do i feel like

i lose i feel like you're just at the beginning like you're really blowing up so it's different with you maybe you like i've always been a late bloomer. Really? Me too. Yeah. Did you have hair on your balls in high school? Probably had a little. I didn't have much until my junior year.

Nick? Really? I was pretty late. I don't know. Eighth grade. I mean, obviously. Premature late? Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yeah. Sorry to go to the ball hair. No. And then grandma here no i think it's interesting man like it's tough these days to like i think as you as i get older what do i notice that's different that's a great question what do i notice that's different about like like my like like fervor like my vitality or things that i would do differently in my 20s that i wouldn't do in my 30s um i don't know i felt like i was so much more like insecure probably in my 20s and even like in my early 30s so i feel like more like i'll i'm a little more in touch with who i am now i guess so yeah i guess i wouldn't do as much errant stuff you know like i wouldn't just throw caution to the wind and do something kind of crazy yeah like dude i

remember one time bro like they're like you need to sing in this audition and i'm like i can't even sing you know i can't sing if we weren't in an audition right now you know what i'm saying you don't sing in the shower you don't sing in the car i mean i do a couple of fucking bars bro but i ain't doing it i'm not i'm not faking it through a whole song just to fucking make it through a moment of conditioner. You know what I'm saying? I'm not a fucking psychopath. So what I remember watching, what was it? Oh, Shirley Temple when I was young, right?

On the Good Ship Lollipop. I was like, that's a song I can pull off. I had just gotten out to LA. I was like, Shirley Temple, I was young, right? On the good ship lollipop. I was like, that's a song I can pull off. I had just gotten out to LA. I was like, Shirley Temple, Hollywood legend. They're going to love this. That's what I was thinking, dude. I'm going to curl my hair a little bit. That was horrible, bro.

So I was sitting there, and I can still remember their faces, dude. They thought it was a joke, you know? It was. And I was like, on a sunny beach in peppermint bay you know like and you were serious yeah then i stopped and then i'm like cracker jack bands like i had a whole i went second stanza you know what i'm saying it shook them i remember the assistant lady just like had to straighten her neck out she didn't know i was gonna go fucking seconds second stanza that fucking lame bitch wherever she is thank you theo yeah she was sitting there judging me the whole time you're a fucking assistant you're not even doing anything of

your fucking you didn't take a chance you didn't sing shirley temple in the middle of fucking these idiots fucking muppet bro chanceless i'll choke out all your fucking cousins bro through a cum mom on your family's dinner. Oh, sorry. Sorry, I did it again. This guy's tossing dirty grenades into the fruit salad. But yeah, I think that's one thing. I think then I would do that and I have any thoughts. Now I'd be like, no way would I do that.

So maybe you know more stuff and you wouldn't do... Yeah, it's like you have more frame of reference, I think. You know your strengths now. You're like, I'm not going to do that because, A, I can't sing. B, I'm not going to embarrass myself in front of this chancelless twat. Right. And C, fuck off. Yeah.

You know, I'm just not going to – I can understand that. But I kind of miss that sort of blind ambition. Right. That sort of – know i do i do miss that you know that just sort of like fear i think still gets in the way and when fear didn't get in the way then i mean we all have a little fear but uh you know i'm working on that i'm working on not giving a shit more and i think that's like just being in touch with myself a little more and sort of saying hey what do you want what do you want in life what is it you want i mean you've been doing this you've been acting people like hey what's next what are you doing that's the question in la hey what are you up to you always feel compelled to be like

oh i got a special i got this movie coming out i'm writing this script i'm writing doing this you need to tell people you feel compelled to tell everybody what you're doing so they think you're something so it gives you the feeling of i'm somebody yeah and i don't i don't like that i'm not doing that yeah so when people ask me what i'm doing sometimes i'm like not a goddamn thing yeah i'm doing my podcast uh playing in my band just have some fun yeah you have a band you guys are on tour someone said right well you guys are touring you guys are doing dates around the country well uh we were called shit sandwich right now we're called the sandwich it was just a joke uh we were in my basement and we were just like my bass player didn't carl he's on ballers but carl weathers no not carl weathers but

he is african-american carl is he really yep um like car uh weathers is carl weathers a real person he carl weathers is he was uh ap is. He was Apollo Creed in the Rocky movies. He's a big deal. Yeah, he's a big deal. But Carl never played bass. He learned to play bass. Kent was playing drums. Never really played drums.

I was like, who's going to sing? And they're like, you. I'm like, I'm not a great singer. So I said, fuck it. So I started writing my own songs. Wow. I started playing. My friend goes, open up for us at the Troubadour.

I'm like, what? He goes, do it. I've never been more scared. So I got up. We did three songs, the originals. playing my friend goes open up for us at the troubadour i'm like what he goes do it i've never been more scared so i got up we did three songs originals then he goes come to germany open for me so they paid for our shit you went to germany last year going to germany this year i'm playing in the love street festival here in hollywood i mean we're i just write my own shit and it's not it's not complex it's not radiohead it's not like but it's like 70s southern rock meets like gin

blossoms wallflowers 90s throwbacks but we play our own shit and i love it i love it and i i i you know it's just fulfilling yeah whether people love it or not i i really enjoy it and so like well like certainly like obviously with having some success there's something that happens as you start to get like a confidence that comes once you start to have some success in your work world. And I think it's probably in any work world. But it's like, would you have got into the band 10 years ago? It's like you start to get a little bit more comfortability once, obviously, you have bit of enough money you can pay your rent you know i'm saying some of those yeah fixed costs are kind of taken care of um yeah i did that with it was just you know sort of bucket list shit and

i was like you know what i've always wanted to be a singer i've always wanted not a singer but i always wanted to write songs and perform them i always wanted to do stand-up comedy harlan was like dude open for me bud yeah open for me pal i'm like no yeah two thousand people oxnard no one's gonna give a fuck get up there give eight minutes and i got up there and i fucking did it and i fell in love with it and then i bobby lee's like you're opening for me in here and i also i started did i saw you you're going up and i had never done it so i was going up with these big fuckers like you and rogan and bobby lee and swartzen and Harlan. And I'm telling you, acting and all this shit I've done, never been more fucked up nervous.

And the reality is I should have been thinking, dude, you just started this. Go out there and bomb. Have fun. Not be so hard on yourself. You can't be as good as these guys. You're not going to be great. And I didn't.

I was so fixated on just i gotta make someone like i gotta i gotta kill it and i put so much pressure on myself that i think it drove me fucking crazy wow for six months it drove me crazy where i was just like at the end of last year i was just exhausted i was just like i gotta take some months off and just like between the music and that and writing i was just like i'm too hard on myself i gotta give my body a break wow i i think that stems from childhood too is just being too hard on yourself you're not good enough insatiable did you ever have to deal with that yeah i think i had to deal with that kind of stuff you know i mean i think a lot of it was just i would get so nervous everything would make me so nervous forever how'd you get

over that? do you know stand-up comedy I can do it so then I start to live a little bit differently in my body like I know at least there's one thing that I know I can do so then it's like like I don't know I'd never had the feeling before of like something that I could do you know that I was able to really do and like felt like I really could do it and so then I guess it's some of the then that starts to live in you differently like oh I can do it. And so then I guess it's some of the, then that starts to live in you differently. Like, oh, I can do something, you know? And then, um, then I would go into other things and at least then I would know, okay, there'll be a point with this where I'll know that I can do it, you know? Um, and then, but also you slowly get, start to get used to a little bit of what it feels like to be, to have some confidence. And so I guess some of that, you know?

Success helps that too. You're right. It's like, I don't know. I'm a complicated, I mean, we're all complicated. Well, do people look at, well, it's just a question with success. Do people start to look at you differently if you have a success behind you, right? I think they do. I remember like whenever I first got out here to Los Angeles, Owen Benjamin is a comedian.

Nick Thune is a comedian. They hit the big time right out of the gate. They were just rocket launched into they were the next thing. MySpace had just come out, and I think there was these rumors. I don't know if this is true. Some of it is true, but I don't know how much of it is that they each got like a half a million dollars from like myspace or comedy central to to make like uh some web series and stuff like that and so everybody was like holy shit like that was half

a million dollars like 12 years ago you know it like, it was like a million. Yeah. Yeah. It was like 800,000. Yeah. So, um, so everybody was like, holy shit. These, you know, these guys,

you know, this is the thing. This is it. They're it, you know? Um, fuck. I don't remember what we were talking about.

Well, how'd that make you feel? I mean, was that like something, what were we talking about, Nick? Uh, you hadn't achieved confidence yet.

Cause you haven't had success. Oh, so everybody looked at them. Thank you, Nick. So everybody looked at them like suddenly you're like oh these guys know what they're doing you know but isn't that a scary feeling when someone you think everybody knows what you're doing like i have a weird there's a weird psychology oh i agree it is i'm just saying

but it's but it's interesting to me now looking back like did they know what they were doing probably not any more than anyone else now do they start to feel like they know what they were doing probably not any more than anyone else now do they start to feel like they know what they're doing it would be ridiculous if they didn't feel that way because whatever they're doing is showing um is is having a return you know they're achieving that's a mind fuck what you just said is it it's kind of a mind fuck but yeah in a good way like yes it's i understand it right it's a weird fuck but yeah in a good way like yes it's i understand it right it's a weird place to be in so they probably so then they start to feel more confident because when they walk in a room people look at them like you know it's like these guys know what's

funny they know what they're doing yeah and what's scary is all of a sudden you're out of the loop right and you're like what did we do wrong how do we get that now we're not confident about our stuff we got to get find something that makes us confident so people look at them like they're desperate like and it's just like there's this they're uncertain they're unable they messed up and so yeah so then in the end and that's a lot of that might just be hollywood i don't know if that's like that in other businesses i think i think maybe it's mostly it's hollywood it feels like i don't know i think that's probably with sports too it's something like he's the he batted 340 last year now he's batting 240 oh he's done his career's washed up he's finished right you know get rid of him new guy and then that guy's got to build up and start

taking more batting practice yeah go get coaching and all of a sudden he comes back maybe you know it's it's such a tough business and like you know it's who's hot like i heard like some a lot of people look at your fucking ibd imdb number yeah if you're not like in the top hundred you they don't cast you yeah you know you got to be hot you got to be this how many followers you have how many instagram how many it's not about talent anymore right right right it's not but i think that there are that i believe that the audience that audience has to get smarter as well in some ways where i think they do want i think audience does want something that's more real and that's more authentic you know than they did i think

they're tired of just being pushed like um i i don't know i feel like there has to be some you know everything i definitely feel like everything's changing i definitely feel like a lot more of it is in the hands of the entertainer now do you feel that at all or no yeah i feel like it's just like a well you came out of studio shows i mean you've come out of studio movies and shows yeah yes i'm like i mean you just had what was the other what was the new show that you had recently that was uh it was in pastor yes dude everybody's been telling me to watch that it was fun we only lasted two seasons but i played a guy who was pretending to be this gay pastor in the small town but i was really screwing prostitutes and doing drugs and it was awesome so a stepdad basically yeah it was uh it was awesome. So a stepdad, basically. Yeah, you're a stepdad.

It was awesome. And we did two seasons and we pretty much got to do what we want and I had a blast. It was the show that I would have probably done forever. It was just one of those shows where you're blessed to be working. It's just like you're working four months,

you bust your ass, you're making comedy every day, you're laughing, it's dark, it's funny, you're getting paid for it. It was job and those jobs are but back to your point there's so many things now that you know when i was i'm not old but like you know we're younger like think about it how many studios were there how many uh stations were there how many like who was making tv shows and movie now it's like youtube stations

and instagram and instagram's doing their own thing and it's filming a movie under the desk right now yeah he's fucking what are you doing under there yeah i mean it's definitely it looks like oh fucking he's here setting up lighting yeah but i mean it's like it looks like a short film i'm just joking that's kind of but you can do whatever you want the good thing is you can That's kind of right. But you can do whatever you want. The good thing is you can make a movie with your iPhone. You can do whatever you want. You can make product. But the bad thing is there's so much of it now.

Right. It's everywhere, and it's hard to like – people say, hey, there's a new show. I'm like, yeah, yesterday I heard there's a new show. Right. And the day before, somebody else said there's a new show. And there's eight superhero movies coming out this month. Yeah. And there's four Jurassic Worlds coming out. Yeah, there's an ant. There's a superhero now. And it's not a show and there's eight superhero movies coming out this month yeah and there's four jurassic worlds coming out yeah there's an ant superhero now which is and it's

not a bad it's just like it's just like i don't even know what to do i'm so add and not even the insect it's a woman whose sister had a couple of children yeah her aunt yeah i like it but you know it's like i just want a fucking chicken or beef yeah or vegan even there's three right but just to me it's so much so many choices that i i don't even have time i i don't even know what to do but you must be there must be something about you that finds because you have your own podcast now yeah and so there must be something that has led you in that direction to be to want to create your own stuff because i think whether we realize that in the beginning of having a podcast or not i think it ends up leading us there some i mean i don't know what are some of the stuff you found

you i you just nailed it and you you insinuated something you were like you know it's like we why do we do it and we found is it something you did you find so that's exactly what it was at first my producer rob was like dude you need to do a podcast and i was was like, nah, I don't think I need to do a podcast. He goes, yeah, you do. I think it'd be fun just talking to people. And I go, all right, you know what? Fuck it. How much is it going to cost?

He goes, get a soundboard. We'll get some mics. We'll go to your house. You have celebrity friends. You have athletes. You have people. God, Rob sounds like a great guy. He is.

He's a great guy. He's a kid. He's like 29. He's got a kid. He's married. He's just a nice kid you know so he hooked the stuff up and i'd invite my friends over like swartzen and harlan you know at first it was just like hey you know i'm finding stuff out about them but all of a sudden i go it one

day i don't know what it was it was like zach levi was on the guy who's playing shazam or uh you know just zam who that guy i'm the superhero he's they just did a new movie the guy who's playing Shazam. Shazam who? Shazam the superhero. They just did a new movie. The guy who knows what music is? Huh? That's a fucking superhero. No, Shazam. Remember music from the 70s?

Shazam's an app? Yeah. That's a fucking superhero? I'm out. No. But anyway, this guy tears up. We're talking about... That was a grandmother.

When I was growing up, somebody who could remember a song from the 70s was a grandparent. Now that's a fucking superhero? I quit, dude could remember a song from the 70s was a grandparent now that's a fucking superhero i quit dude an aunt is a superhero everybody's here asthma is now a superpower some guy that can't handle air and is gonna die soon wow it's right there uh no uh but look for me it became therapy i'm telling you man i all of a sudden i'm talking to somebody and i go down this rabbit hole where it's like oh you get anxiety like we're talking about and they're like yeah yeah it was

debilitating and i did this and i'm like you know finding out kristen bell has fucking anxiety and depression and all that jennifer love you it doesn't love herself and like really loves her middle name loves her middle name and she doesn't love herself and we and all of a sudden i get these texts from her saying that was like i've never done a podcast and i was crying today on how happy it made me to talk about these things and be open and i was like i've never done a podcast and i was crying today on how happy it made me to talk about these things and be open and i was like then i realized wow i get emails from people and texts and twitter and and it just made me feel good that people are it's almost they listen to it and there's hope for them yeah i feel like oh this i this is my idol and she's she's got a problem

she's kind of fucked up we're all fucked up yeah we were talking about so for me it inadvertently became like this is real if I'm just real if I'm just talking to people and finding shit out and we have fun we're laughing but mm-hmm I find all this dark shit and the dark yeah dark like there's dark stuff I can't wait like tomorrow I'm interviewing Dave Bautista you are a wrestler yeah but from Guardians of the Galaxy 2. He was Drax. I'm excited. I want to find out some shit about him.

I bet he's got some dark shit. Yeah. And I think that's what people want to hear. They don't want to hear just people going, your movie's coming out, those late night shows where it's five minutes in. It's just fluff. It's not real.

Well, it's all fucking Muppetry. Yeah, that's exactly right. How do we choreograph this just to make the audience sort of just laugh? He's nice. He's handsome. Go see his movie. Right. That's not, you know.

It's a fucking sham is what it is at a certain point. It's a Shazam. It's a Shazam, yeah. It's a Shazam. Just snorted at us. We got a couple of fan line questions that came in. Let's get to a couple of those, bro. Are these live?

Huh? Are these live? No, these are not live. None of this is live, dude. I got a couple of fan line questions that came in. Let's get to a couple of those, bro. Are these live? Huh? Are these live? No, these are not live. None of this is live, dude. I got a question from Michael. He used to be Lex Luthor on the Smallville. He was great, man. And I'm curious what he thinks of the new Lex Luthor, that Jesse Eisenberg Riddler Luthor.

That old goofy-ass Luthor. I don't like him, man. Take it easy, guys. Jesse Eisenberg's Riddler, Luther. That old goofy-ass Luther. I don't like him, man. Take it easy, guys. Jesse Eisenberg's playing Luther? He played him already. Oh, wow. I need to see that. Yeah, you know, thanks for the question.

That's hard for me to answer because it's easy to sound like a dick. Like if I was here to sit here and say, oh, yeah, he really dropped the ball. He played it maniacally. I wouldn't have done that. I think, you know, it's like there's a direction. And Zack Snyder was the director of the last movie, right? And so he and Jesse said, this is the character and this is what you're doing. And they worked, they collaborated.

And that was the Lex Luthor that Jesse Eisenberg did. And, you know, a lot of people didn't like it. A lot of people liked it. You know. Yeah. I always say, look, man, it's a vulnerable position to be in. It's like you're an actor. You do a part, and people are going to love you or hate you

or somewhere in between or forget you. I don't know. I enjoyed doing Smallville for seven years. I loved playing the character. I always thought Lex Luthor, he was like he had his shit together, and he was more in his head. Right. And it was real, and it was just like when he blew up,

he blew up, and you were intimidated by him. You were a little scared of him. You weren't sure what he was capable of. So that's my interpretation of the character. But, you know, that interpretation of the character was sort of. Do you have a picture of Eisenberg or something on there that we can see? Yeah, that interpretation was just, you know, it was a different version that That was, you know, sort of like,

it was a little bit like the Joker, a little bit like crazy maniacal, and that was the direction that he chose. Right. How did I do on that response? Oh, I see. Yeah, there he is. And I worked with him.

Yeah. And he was a great guy, and he's a great actor. So, you know, people always say all right well why don't you play like so they're like well they didn't ask me did he put on weight for this at all or no no i don't think so it seemed like he'd almost be a little too meek i feel like in some ways um yeah he looks like a lex luther like maybe in brooklyn maybe you know i couldn't see him lex luthering outside of that area lex luthering he looks like a gentrification lex luther yeah well the good thing is he's the you know well i

don't know like you know they're going for you know they went jewish uh for lex luther with me rosenbaum then i went to eisenberg so i don't know so it's obviously a jewish is it a jewish thing yeah i don't know eisenberg rosenbaum who's next vaughn yeah that's vaugh it's obviously a Jewish character now. Is it a Jewish thing? Yeah. I don't know. Eisenberg, Rosenbaum. Who's next? Vaughn. Yeah. Vaughn's not a Jewish name. Uh-uh.

No, no, no. Does, um, so what was another question? What do you have, Nick? Oh, yeah, we got another question here. Another Smallville one. Oh, yeah. Hey, what's going on? It's a question for Michael Rosenbaum. I don't know if this is too touchy, but what's going on? It's a question from Michael Rosenbaum.

I don't know if this is too touchy, but what's the deal? On the set of Smallville, a show that used to be on with Allison Mack, did he get the vibe or anything that she was into some freaky sex cult shit? Oh, yeah. Some crazy stuff. Can you bring a picture up to it? Was the vibe there? Was she a beard?

Was it just out of left field? Anyways, man, you're the man have a good day you know what's funny is i haven't responded to this let me look at this so allison mack is the girl what was this thing called i remember they busted a man who was running who was using a group here you go you know i i've you know it's funny because i've chosen not to talk about it only because it's so it's shocking and all i can say is this when i was on that show allison was the sweetest uh professional most professional she was she was just a great girl great actress and uh you know i remember you know they I remember doing some self-help stuff.

I remember she was a part of something, and it was different than it was now. But I remember her mentioning something. Oh, there's this organization or something. There's always – because there's a lot of those. Whatever. I didn't listen to it. I just remember thinking, oh, it sounds a little culty. That's not for me. I don't know Whatever. I didn't listen to it. I just remember thinking, oh, it sounds a little culty. It's not for me.

I don't know. And I just never thought about it. But it never, she never, sorry, this is the first time I've actually talked about it. But I felt like it was such a shock to hear all these things. I just didn't believe it. It's like somebody said, hey, your brother killed somebody. You're like, no, he didn't. I know my brother.

He wouldn't kill anybody. So to me, seeing this, it's still, it's like somebody said hey your brother killed somebody you're like no he didn't i know my brother he wouldn't kill anybody right so to me seeing this it's still it's a little it's bizarre it's like you know i want to hear the you know the whole story i think's yet to come out but i think a lot of the story is out there now it's i think it's just shocking it's surprising she was great i just bumped into an old director from smallville we looked at each other like you know things happen in life and you're like, you just don't have answers for. And for me, it was like working with someone for seven years. We didn't go out.

We didn't hang out. Did you ever ask her out? She was younger, so I hung out with Tom a little bit, and I wasn't around as much. Who's Tom, you mean? Tom Welling. He was Superman. He was Clark Kent. So I hung out with him.

So I really didn't hang out with Allison, but maybe a couple times throughout seven years. So we didn know each other we weren't close friends but like there was always a mutual respect and a love there did you ever hit on her was there anything like that no never never never i never with any of my co-stars never would do that yeah you don't shit where you eat although i have shat where i at yeah um you know yeah in the in the past i mean there's when i was younger i did a movie in germany and the girl and I, the actress and I, we kind of got together. It was a mistake, but then we became friends eventually, which those just never end well.

So I never understand why people do that, because no matter what, if you're on a show, maybe a movie at the end, something, because the movie's over, but a TV show, it's just bad, bad, bad idea, man. Right. It's just not a good idea. And the good thing is Annette O'Toole was, like, older than me and married, so,, uh, and the good thing is, is Annette O'Toole was like older than me and married.

So, you know, there wasn't there. And, you know, Kristen and Allison were a lot younger than me. Right. But that's attractive to a man.

It's not like, yeah, but it was, they, they felt like, you know, younger sisters. Okay.

Cause I was 25 and they were 18. And what was her vibe? Like, I mean, was she like, you were 25 and they were 18. That's not insane at all. That's totally normal.

No, maybe I was 26. Yeah, even if you're 36, that's not that insane. Look, you know what it was? It was just like, they're on the show, they're younger, I don't have as much in common. I like 80s music and 70s music. I'm partying at that time. They're like going to museums. They're smarter than I am.

Okay, so they're kind of nerdier? They're maybe a little nerdier but just uh maybe more intelligent okay although you know i don't know that's a good way to put it yeah maybe more intelligent maybe more mature than i was which is not not hard to do right uh so i just didn't go there i thought it was a bad idea um not to say i never talked to a guest guest star ever you know if we became friends but just never do anything on set right like later on if you become friends and you're the guest star is, you know, if we became friends. But just never do anything on set. Right. Like, later on, if you become friends and the guest star is over,

you're like, hey, I want to get coffee. Right. You're not working on the show anymore. But in hindsight, like, are there any, do you think you could see her, could you see her, like, being and getting into something like that? No, never. Never. I thought she was just a girl, a nice person who just,

you know, she's like a lot of actresses or actors. We want attention. We want approval. And she found something that she thought would probably give her that. And I don't think that's what she was doing when I knew her. Right.

I mean, this was years ago. But ultimately, inadvertently, she got into something that was bigger than her and uh you know i'm hearing things like you know she said supposedly that uh you know it was manipulation or it was like you know she was what's the word uh coerced stockholm syndrome type of stuff i i just i think that she you know she who's to say what happened i mean mean, I'm not a psychologist. Yeah, nobody knows.

We don't know. I don't know. All I know is, you know, it's shocking that it happened. Like, if you said, oh, Theo Vaughn killed someone. I'd be like, oh, yeah. Because I don't know you as well. And maybe you did kill someone. It's not shocking.

But when you're. Who is it? That you, what? Who did I kill? I mean, you could have killed someone. Oh, yeah i kill i mean you could have killed someone oh yeah yeah you probably could have killed someone you probably could have killed that girl that the african-american woman who put their hand in your pocket in brazil oh yeah a neck punch is rough dude it would have taken a while to throw some very weak punches she could have killed you though

oh easily easily she probably could have and the crazy thing was people around us in brazil started like cheering and like betting on who was going to win. Because you both had long hair. We were both outside. It was broad daylight. Nobody helped. People started literally betting. You were scared.

I was extremely scared. That's scary. I was walking in a foreign country by myself and not even in the best area. Dude, it was shady. It would have affected my ego. Yeah. I would have thought out of all these people, this woman thought I was dude it was it would have affected my ego yeah like i would have thought like out of all these people this woman thought i was weak enough to put her

hand in my pocket wow gosh i gotta work out or something well you know what right after that i went back on like i was on a i was on a cruise ship i went back onto the cruise ship and stayed on there and i didn't go back out into the country i felt that's a shame i felt like uh unwelcome i felt yeah just scared, you know? I did feel like some of that kind of shit. When someone violates you, it just ruins everything. I've been violated before. And nobody helped.

That was a thing. That's just bad. People were gambling on who's going to fucking win. People were gambling? Yeah. And then also, I remember this in Brazil, somebody would come up to you and say i have aids right it was a kid i have aids i'm gonna bite you unless you give me money that was i would

have stayed on the ship it was a good call theo that was the aids bite trick you gotta do that in nightclubs here in la all the time but it's like this is like you know i'm gonna bite you i'm gonna take a bite out of your wallet better take me to mel's diner for a burger i'll bite you with my aids yeah that's not good that aids bite boy yeah but um so you never saw anything like that with that so you would never think that that girl would be into something never i thought she'd be married with kids and uh she was she was smart she was you know family was in the music and opera and stuff and sort of upper class i just well so how does that happen i don't know you know what that means but uh i just you look at her you're like oh you know she's got her stuff together she's she's not an idiot with

her money and she's i i just never thought i don't think any of us thought so then how does that happen then i think that you just you don't ever really know someone you don't ever really really know someone like i could tell you my friend tom of 32 years friendship i promise you he would never kill someone yeah but that's because i've grown up with him since i'm 12 years old right i know him inside out no that's daniel cutter yeah tom lally like i've seen his penis uh i'm not not in a gay way no uh but you know we we know each other i've been in the hospital he's taking care of me when i had back surgery uh he's like you know he's like more of a almost getting in a gay way taking care no no he's just my best friend and it sounds like bridges of

madison county almost man maybe it does i apologize to the audience my bad no no but you're right i should have stopped with the penis and then just kind of like he didn't have to take care of me yeah penis right it's like we're like trying on scars yeah it wasn't a good yeah yeah it wasn't good okay so your friend tom though i could tell you so i'm gonna change the way i thought i'm gonna do a trump there i'm gonna like change like the wooden wooden thing but i think that uh he wouldn't kill someone i know him but when you say allison would she do this i didn't know allison right i probably you know i'd see her once a week and i go hey what are you doing how's your weekend great who's this past weekend with theo vaughn and that would be it and i'd be like oh my god you had dinner oh great or it should be in the makeup trailer it's like what are you guys listening to

and that was it i directed her in an episode and she was sweet as hell and she's like oh i need to cry can you tell me that nice story about your grandma and i would tell her the story and she would cry and then she we'd roll camera and she was just sweet and she was nice i didn't expect this this is a curveball but, I didn't really know her. Okay, well then how about this then I have. Did she seem like a sexual person at all? Because some of the things that they got caught up in. Jeez, you're going deep, man.

Well, I'm just curious about the psychology of some of this kind of stuff. Because this kind of stuff is, you know, it's like, look, I'll have, for example, I will have people that will reach out to me, right? Like you might have chicks that are like porn stars, different types of stuff reach out to you or women that want to text you and get you involved. Like I used to have this girl that would invite me to like these orgies and stuff downtown. Did you go? No, I didn't go. But here's the thing.

It's like it would have just been, but I met up with her one time for coffee, right? like it would have just been but i met up with her one time for coffee right so it would have just so there's just a couple of you know it could be a couple of weekends it could be a drug of some it could be a couple of drinks you'd never kind of you're only a few steps away sometimes from things that you don't think you would be in right but i think you would still like some people would still have a vibe in them that would match the current of whatever that is. Yeah, I feel like – Do you feel like she had like a sexual type of vibe or do you feel like she was like a – there's these like incels now. There's people that are afraid of sunlight and are just lazy and aren't doing sex.

There are people that no one likes them, so they just say that no one wants them. I think, you know, look. Did she seem sexy? Did she seem sexy? I mean, again, I thought of her as like a kid. I didn't look at her like that. But she was like anybody else. She was flirty.

She was fun. She was nice. I didn't really see that side of her i just didn't see it and but i didn't hang out with that but i will say this i think that like for me i'm a bit of a control freak in terms of like drugs and alcohol like right like i have friends who get drunk and they're like they shouldn't drink and they get so hammered that remember things and i'm like i don't want to be that person yeah so i am always aware of what i'm doing i don't put myself in precarious situations right i just don't if i i can sense bad things happening yes it's always

been it's a gift but it's also i hate myself because it's like takes out of the fun it takes me out of the fun but like i'm running that cusp but like i've always been like i'm not going to that that doesn't look like it'd be fun i'm not going to go into that place i'm not that guy's looking at me i'm going to walk out i don't want to be i'm just getting away from trouble right so i always like if some girl's a little bit like let's i'm hammer let's go back to when i was younger i still remember going nope this girl's drunk and i don't know her and i'm not taking her back right i'm just not putting myself in that situation yeah and i think there know her and i'm not taking her back right i'm just not putting myself in that situation yeah and i think there are people like that and you're right you miss out

on fun but you also take yourself out of dangerous situations yeah and so i've always been that so i know people who could do like i've seen them i'm like good person never would do this sober never would make this bad decision sober drinking a little too much right now somebody doesn't keep an eye on that person they can make a bad decision wow and so i don't know with her i'm not talking about that right i never saw her so you don't know if that was she was i don't know but i'm just saying you know like i you were saying people could be on the cusp of like going down that way but i just like i know for me that's not you well i just know i could never think something that was happening in that was right and keep going down that. Keep going down it.

Because I would think, oh, my God, this seems a little dangerous. You can maybe get arrested for this. If somebody found out, oh, my God, this is bad. So you couldn't keep going down that road unless what? Unless you had some of that in you. Unless. You had some of that in you. Unless. You had some of that dark. I don't even know if you had some of that in you unless you were easily, like you said, coerced or like, you know, you were.

Because. What happened with the Manson? The Manson family. They said they pleaded like what? That he did what? He. Yeah, like manipulated the people, I guess. Yeah, like they were like, oh oh my God, we just didn't.

Stockholm Syndrome type of thing where he. Yeah, they believed they were easily manipulated, like whatever. But they, you know, and they said that was the excuse. I know that that could never happen. To you. To me. Right. Because I, but I.

Now, how old was she? She was young, though. She, that's what I'm saying. Well, she was young. And this man was older, apparently, that ran the thing. So now so now i could see that say a man comes along he has a bunch of money you know he has access to like a lot of you know fun crazy stuff maybe maybe he seems worldly he seems like a leader of a group you believe in like i've been to these um i did orgasmic meditation where i'm driving around town and you know women's crotches as part of a club.

And that's a real thing. Really? Yeah. What? That's organized. And I met other – there's other celebrities in it, right? And I don't mean other celebrities. There's celebrities in it.

But it's like there are a lot of different groups out here. There's a lot of people looking for connection, especially in Los Angeles. It's a very disconnected city so if this girl was 18 19 lost 22 easily i could see her she gets involved with the group she's she was an attractive girl right at least sure she was an eight i don't want to put numbers on anyone anyone it's great myself like us right she was at least an eight i think she was a pretty girl she was smart she was this is why it's so shocking me yes she was younger she could have easily been mind fucked and and given like who knows they could have said oh and promised her these things and she was empowered by things and somehow she fell down this dark maybe all of it

to me is just it for me it's shocking just because like to know someone it's like you know again i said no someone but i really didn't know her and it just makes me sad ultimately because yeah it just makes me sad to know someone who really was a sweetheart and could be capable of something like this uh you know and we i don't know the whole story but right it's just it's just it's very bizarre it's it's it's completely shut when i saw it i just i looked at tom co-star and i looked at you know i talked to a couple of people i was just like i just i don't even know what to say well it looks like the older man whoever ran it looks like he took advantage of that's exactly

of her i feel like took advantage of a younger person. Took advantage of her. He probably blackmailed her. He probably manipulated all these... All these girls were manipulated and blackmailed and these women. And it's sad and... And it happens. You hear about... It's the dark arts.

You hear about, you know... It's the dark arts, bro. It happens more than you think, probably. Admit that it is. Yeah. The arts? Yeah, dark arts. Dark, darks. You don't think it's the

dark arts dude a man doing that oh yeah it's dark yeah yeah it is man i agree who's that on there i don't think it's i don't know let's hear there's another fan line yeah let's take one more fan line question here man and this is a from our live race raise fan line you can submit these online through our YouTube link or through a link on iTunes and you can submit a question that will come directly to us via video thank you so much let's play that Nick

hey I got a question for Rosie him being from Indiana you know fuck that no ask him a question for Rosie. Him being from Indiana. You know, fuck that. No. Ask him a question about Harlan Williams. Make him tell a good story. Yeah.

And what's up with this long hair off my head? Okay. So let's see about that. Tell us a good Harlan story. Harlan's one of the nicest men I've ever met. One of the greatest. He's one of my best friends in the world. We did a movie called Sorority Boys years ago.

Is it good or not? Sorority Boys? Yeah. It actually has become a cult movie. People love that movie. I love that. They really do. Genuinely, I go to these conventions to sign autographs, and people come up and love, quote,

Sorority Boys. They love Harlan. Have you seen Cicero? No. I think it's a movie. Sicaro. Sicaro. Sicaro.

I saw the first one. Is it good? Cicero. I was like, Cicero? Is Harlan in that? Hey, buddy, part of the mafia here, pal. Hey, Theo. Harlan dragged me.

He and I have gone on some crazy trips. He dragged me to Burning Man. And I don't do drugs or anything, i said fuck it i'm in burning man i'm gonna do a molly and i did a molly and it was a lot of fun and i remember just uh he i mean he was you wearing a diaper no but i just remember him like us laughing constantly yeah and we got this rv and he used to get pissed because i was taking a shit with the door open he's like yeah buddy what are you doing man i'm fucking sharing an rv with you and you're fucking shitting with the door open yeah and that's dirty i remember we came at like two and i don't want to miss

anything that's why i have it open oh i respect that almost kind of respect that's an indiana thing yeah and i just remember coming home like four in the morning to the rv and he's like i'm gonna have a thanksgiving dinner bud and i go all right and he opens home like 4 in the morning to the RV, and he's like, I'm going to have a Thanksgiving dinner, bud. And I go, all right. And he opens the little fridge in the freezer. It's like this little square, small Thanksgiving meal in one frozen meal. Wow. It took two and a half minutes to make it.

And he starts eating it. 4 in the morning, just stuff in his face. I was like, oh, it's delicious, bud. And I look in the back, and I go, you know this has 6,000 calories, Harlan? Wow. He he goes thanks for ruining thanksgiving pal and he put it aside but harlan's like one of those guys who just has a heart of gold yeah always makes me laugh every day i have texts from him this morning just does he do that to you oh you don't know yeah we're not that close we do communicate well i think he's

i think we've both kind of tried to become a little bit closer but i think um you know we probably have to do a little bit more follow through well i'll have a barbecue and i'll invite you and he'll come he always uh he always comes to those things but he's uh he's a treat man he's yeah i went to his christmas party and it was great yeah that's where i saw you it was so much you on a date uh no you were you were solo yeah we're solo but he and i were both like um yeah i was solo but it was uh yeah it was fun it was a great time a lot of cute gals running around christopher titus which was cool because i've always been a big fan yeah right yeah harlan's

good he's good people man he's uh he's got some crazy stories uh he took me down the amazon river no he goes buddy we're going to uh peru and i'm like nah i river. No, he goes, buddy, we're going to, uh, Peru. And I'm like, nah, I don't think so. He goes like, no,

buddy, we're going on the Amazon. We're going to see links and, uh, we're going to see those things that they're in the spiders. The, yeah, yeah,

but it's going to be, and it was, it was the most amazing time ever. And we swam like, uh, I swam naked. He, he had shorts on,

but with piranhas and the Amazon and, uh, it was just, he's just, he's just fun to be around. It's like an older brother. Yeah. He had shorts on, but with piranhas and the Amazon. And he's just fun to be around. He's like an older brother. Yeah, he's like one of the top 60 or 70 people I think I've ever met. Top 60 or 70 people. People? Not favorite. Oh, just people.

Yeah, one of the top. I mean, it would have to be. That's pretty good. Top 60 or 70? Yeah. I'd say he's probably top 20 for me. For me, because we're closer. Yeah, but still, that's a lot of people. 60 or 70, you don't even know him,

and that's a lot of people. Yeah, but nine people are family members, so then you're down to 11 people after that if you're doing top 20. That's pretty good. You don't know how to work a real top. You don't know how to work a top numerical system. What do you have to say, Nick?

I was just going to wonder if, or I was wondering if is harland always on or they're ever like a lot of people ask me that deep conversations with them yeah you know it's funny because when you meet him like he's always on he's like hey buddy yeah why don't you your wife yeah how's your wife doing bot and he's doing all you know and it's funny because they don't see the side of him like when his uh mom passed away how raw and emotionally was and how many times we just would sit there and talk for hours and emotional and like conversations about just life and growing up and his dad and you know girlfriends

that i've had or what you know his ex white we would just talk about real shit and he's just there for me when i was going through a breakup he'd check in all the time he's like hey bud leave these messages hey it's your aunt ruthie just checking up on you hope you're okay don't kill yourself the family loves you and like you would leave these i have i save all his messages i have a hundred messages that i want to make into a special. Yeah. And just use them all with like, it's just like these three, four minute messages of Harlan. I have them on here.

And he just knows how to make you feel good. And he's like, if he's your bud and he loves you, he's there forever. He's like one of those guys. Yeah. Yeah. He does have such a beautiful soul. He does have such a beautiful soul. He's a really interesting man.

And if people don't know him out there, he's the Dumb and Dumber guy. He's the something about- Oh, yeah. They know him, right? Little of your grandpappy's slappy sauce there. What does he say? It's so funny. You chewing on grandpa's-

Old cough medicine there, have you? You're drinking some of grandpa's cough medicine. Yeah, the favorite thing is in Half-Bakedaked when he's talking to the horse he feeds the horse all that stuff he's like whoa there big girl there's a black girl walking down the street and she's like what you talking about she thinks she thinks she's talking to her you ever run back butt naked backwards through a cornfield that's prison that's prison and that fake to him that's amazing yeah he's one of i'll say this one of a kind yeah and you're top 60 or 70 yeah that's good one of a kind that man yeah there's no i don't met anybody even at all like him well i think you

have like a certain personality when you're on stage especially that there's a unique there's people who just go up there and deliver and they just have funny stuff yeah and then there's a persona like you have a persona yeah right you have like like harlan has that thing where he goes and says there's nobody like him like you said he's like yeah buddy so uh uh i had the sand problem you know i had the sand problem i had ants all over the place and so i got really upset so one day i went with a little bucket and i picked up little fuckers and I threw them into the pool. And as they were drowned, I got this little tear in my eye. It was like, I'm getting emotional.

And I ran into the house and I grabbed a box of Cheerios. And one by one, I threw them in the pool to rescue the... He talks about the most random shit and i was always like god i can never be that funny i can never do that people are always like just be you man that's i guess the most important thing right yeah just go up and be you yeah i think so man look i mean i don't know like i don't know i'm certainly curious to see you know whatever you create and do next you just seem to keep staying busy and i think everything comes out of that it's see, you know, whatever you create and do next. You just seem to keep staying busy. And I think everything comes out of that.

It's like, yeah, you know, if you just stay busy, things will happen. Things, you know, get created and, you know, you get to do fun stuff. And it's exciting, you know. Yeah. It's fucking them again, isn't it? It is. Yeah, they are loud. Fighter and the Kid?

Yeah. Who's in there? I don't know. You should just bust in there after we yell at them. Can I yell shut up? Yeah, they're not going to be able to hear us. I don't want to do this. It's a waste of yelling. Let me do this. Let's see what they do. That's the yell.

He goes, is that the yell? Shut up! We could hear you over here paying $1,400 a month. Shut the front door. Fighter and the kid. They're both going to get their ass kicked. One more word out of you and I'm gonna come over there

and I'm gonna roll your ass it's Ray Liotta you fuck that ain't Will Sasso that big fucking Flintstone have you guys ever thought of soundproofing? This is unprofessional. You fucking Kratom junkies.

Lay off the Kratom, you creeps. Those guys are always hopped up on all types of rare uppers and stuff. Really? GNC, yeah. Oh, I drove past a GNC in Venice, and what's his name? He was out there before it opened, dude. Callan?

Huh? Callan? Both of them. It was Schaub, I think. That's weird. Showing up to a GNC before GNC opens. I mean, I can understand a McDonald's for you're waiting for breakfast,

but that's weird. Who is it? What the fuck are you doing oh my god bro you look like a fucking dude they were telling us you were at the gnc before it opened one day i've been farting yeah you got glass farts in here. Dude, we've been over this, Brian. Isn't that gorgeous? Get older. That's Brady Matthews, dude.

God damn it, Brady Matthews. Yep, exact same thing you said last time. He's an adult, dude. Exact same thing you said last time. Should we bully them or no? Hang on. Who's your guest? You're looking at him, bro.

What, bro? You're my fucking guest. What? Hey, I'll come over after, man. I'll be your guest you're looking at him bro hey i'll come over after man i'll be your guest oh my god everything's way okay dude break up all your shit dude half this shit is your old shit yeah we'll break it do you guys think you should do something about the sound thing yeah get your shit Yeah, we'll break it. Yeah, we'll break it. I don't like the vibes in here anymore. Yeah. I don't like the fucking plants. Yeah.

Do you guys think you should do something about the sound thing? Yeah, get your shit together. I don't own the fucking place. Come on, dude. I don't run shit. You own another cubicle. Damn, dude. I don't own it at all, bro.

I don't have a fire kit facility. You guys are leasing. Bro, Brian's starting to look like... Are they? Let's do. Let's do. Really? Brian's starting to look like your stepdad, dude.

Get your fucking life together, dude. You guys are in shape. No, you're starting to look Croatian, bro. You gotta fucking tighten up, dude. Wow, you look third world, bro. You look third world successful, dog. You know what I'm saying, dude? Yeah, but I'm wearing my special.

Yeah, no shit, bro. No, don't say that. No, you look okay, but the... You're making me feel insecure right now. No, you look fine. It's the rest of shit, bro. No, you look okay, but the... No, you look fine. It's the rest of you, though. That's all I'm talking about. This shit is on, bro. You tell fucking D'Lea if he wants a strap

to come and fucking get this bitch, dude. Yeah, it's a fucking belt, you piece of shit. And it only costs $182, you cheap fucks, dude. What the fuck is this? Huh? That's a fucking belt, you piece of shit. And it only costs $182, you cheap fucks, dude. Huh? That's a real knife. Yeah. And come and get those wooden shoes some guy made for you one time.

Those are made out of solid wood, dude. Yeah, there's a worm living in one of them. I bet you do. We won't. Yeah, get your shit together, dude. No. Oh, that guy has asthma.

I'm a premature baby. That dude's a premature baby, dude. Seven months and look what he's doing. Oh, my God. Bro, he is flexing his snap. He said I have a good body. One more strong flex and he's going to break his own back, dude. He does look not nervous.

Oh. You're talking about comedy right now. What the fuck are you talking about? My bad, guys. Get a fucking guest, huh? You got him a huge comment. Yeah, dude. If you don't come back, we fucking everybody.

Get a guest, bro. Everybody get a guest. Get a guest, bro. You heard so much. Wow. Back off the kratom. Back off the kratom. Back off the kratom, you apes. You apes.

Bro, your shirt, bro. Dude, that shirt came with school supplies. Get your fucking life together, dude. Bro, that shirt is for a child. That shirt is for a fat kid. Yeah, I bet, dude. Wow. Does this happen every podcast?

No, it doesn't, bro. Those guys are completely out of line, though. That was fucked. It was insane that they live right next door. I mean, what are the odds of that? Yeah. Oh, it's happened before. I mean, just, I mean, yeah.

This is the first time they've come over and started shit, though. Yeah. We'll see about that. That's just the beginning, man. Yeah. I hope it's the end. Yeah. But I think we can wrap it up, though, man.

It's been a great episode. It's been fun as shit, man. Yeah. It's been good. That was really fun. You're going to be on mine. Yeah. I'm excited.

Yeah. I'm excited, too, man. It's called Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum on iTunes. It is. It's called Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum on iTunes. And Jeannie It's called Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum on iTunes. And Jeannie Buss is coming on here. You just had her on yours, right? She was on, yeah.

Yeah. She's coming on yours? Yeah. Are you serious? She's the best. You've got to bring me up. We're good friends. I love Jeannie.

Well, the crazy thing is that, yeah, I just messaged her the other day and said, I'd love to have you on. And then I'm looking through your guests, and I was like, wow, what a smart guy. You know? Why didn't Siri just start talking? I don't know. But Jeannie is, she's an awesome guest, and she's like, she's so open to talk. We talked about her life and shit.

She's great. Did you guys ever date or no? No, no, never, never, never. She's a pretty lady. She's a beautiful lady. Very charming. I think I mentioned Phil Jackson's cock on my podcast with her. Really?

Yep. I asked her if it was big. What'd she say? She said, just look at his hands. She told me, she said, I wouldn't take it

in the first round, but I drafted in the third or fourth. That's what she said. Really? Yeah. I think that's a compliment. I don't think so.

There's only two rounds in an NBA draft, so that's a lucky insult. Oh, there's only two drafts. See, I don't know anything about basketball, so that is an insult. How's that happen in Indiana?

I know, man. I know, right? Wow, that's so true. How's that happen in Indiana? I know, man. I know, right? Wow, that's so true. Thanks for that. Where it started. That's unlike you, Nick, to talk to me like that. Who started having a schizophrenic heart? Henry Ward.

I think it was the other bipolar or whatever. Borderline. Dude, that's Jimmy Chitwood country, isn't it? And you fucking didn't even. Dude, that's Larry Bird country. That's fucking Michael Jordan's estate over. Milo and Otis. Yeah, that's Jimmyry bird country that's fucking michael jordan's estate over milo and otis yeah that's uh jimmy dean down on the farm oh bob evans bob evans down on the farm fuck yeah dude i had all that shit yeah clue clucks clan yeah well i don't yeah it was indiana was it yeah a lot of

people blame the south and i say it a lot i love indiana but you know i'm saying take back your product we didn't start it do you remember pizza king do you have pizza king or pizza chef or druthers uh-uh we had somebody got killed outside of a little little caesars one time though mr gaddies oh we had mr gaddies i miss mellow yellow dude mellow yellow soda maybe some pib oh yeah dude my buddy got a can of mr p Pibb one time, opened it. It was so thick, it wouldn't even come out of the fucking can, bro. How crazy is that? Do you still drink it?

Huh? He tried to suck some of it out. That's fucking awesome. And that's America, dude. That's America. And I'm trying to think of anything else we wanted to cover. Not much. And you know Gianni, who does our booking, right? Yeah, he's awesome.

I play ice hockey with him on Monday nights. Yeah, I didn't know he was an actor he doesn't sleep good hockey player though i watch his instagram videos he's like he lives with like a bunch of little guys they're all like how old is he 26 or 40. he looks like he also be about 45. if he dyed his hair on the on the uh on the sides if he died at gray on the sides he could easily be 40. Yeah, one of those old sort of short. Like a small Dutchman. Yeah, yeah, a small Dutchman, a flying small Dutchman. Nice guy, though. Nice guy.

Definitely seemed like he'd be a – I've seen him naked. Have you really? Yeah. Well, we were in the locker room. Yeah. With Tom. Really?

No, no, I have – you know, we get changed in the locker room. I didn't try to see him naked, but you're naked around guys, you know? Yeah. What round would you draft them in? Yeah. Oh, I didn't look, I really didn't look at it. It was like, you know, those glances aren't even, they're kind of just peripheral, like, moments that you just, like, block out.

You don't care. It's just a dick. It's another dick in the locker room. It's true, especially as you get older. Now, that's something that happens when you get older. When you're young, you'll look and you'll take in that dick a little bit with your eyes. Yeah, because it's an envy thing. It doesn't have to be a gay thing, but sometimes if you see a older when you're young you'll look and you'll take in that dick a little bit with your yeah because it's a gel it's an envy thing it's not it doesn't have to be a gay thing but sometimes if you see a dick like god man why is this dick so big

yeah gosh why is my dick not as big as that you know when you're younger and stuff then you get older you're just like i don't even care i have the dick that i have do we yeah well we had a black kid in our junior high school named mr larry right or middle school right he'd been in school so long on him oh you've been in school 24 years i think and this was back when they let you stay in school until you either got it or they don't let you do that anymore no or they gave you a job at the school right so i remember he would fucking come in while people are the pisser and he would piss over he would stand behind you and literally he was so big he could just piss right over you into the fucking urinal.

And that was like his big trick, and then they gave him a job as a custodian. Mr. Larry, bro. So Mr. Larry just kept working there? He was a student and then just kept working at the institution there? He was a student until he just, they're like, ah, fuck it. You know what I'm saying? Larry is a staple of this organization.

We got to keep him. Student ain't your thing, but you definitely, you know, you're good here. And people like you, and you got a job. And you got a huge cock and get pissed right over someone's shoulder. Cocktown, bro. All right. That's a good name for this one, Cocktown. Michael Rosenbaum, you can check out his podcast.

It's available on iTunes and Stitcher and every place that podcasts are available and also a short film horror film you just directed I directed this movie a little short called

Fade Into You it was at Screamfest and I had a movie called The Neighbor with Bill Fichtner it's pretty cool check it out I want to see that

Sorority Boys I think you did that man it's me and Harlan just being idiots and it's a lot of fun and ridiculous humor and my movie back in the day

I directed with Swartzen and Harland, and Miranda Baccarin from Deadpool. She's in it. Yeah, back in the day. I think if you like raunchy comedies, you'll fucking love it. Really? It's a lot of good, good, good fun.

Farts, you see dicks, you see everything. Yeah. We'll put all the links. We'll put the links to a couple of those at the top so people can check them out. Thanks, bro. I loved it, man. Yeah, I had a good time. Good to be here. those, uh, at the top so people can check them out. Thanks, bro. I loved it, man. Yeah.

I had a good time. Good to be here. Well, we shall look better with you. You look good. You actually, you've evolved since you got here. Really? Thank God, man. Cause I was, you came in here probably an eight.

You're walking out of probably a strong eight. Would I walk in like five? I walked in as an eight. Yeah. How'd I walk out as an eight? You did it. I'll catch up where it's been blown. Now I'm just floating on the breeze And I feel I'm falling like these leaves

I must be cornerstone Oh, but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones But it's gonna take a little time For me to set that parking brake And let myself unwind Shine that light on me.

I'll sit and tell you my story. Shine on me. And I will find a song. I will sing it just for you. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm Jonathan Kite, and welcome to Kite Club, a podcast where I'll be sharing thoughts on things like current events, stand-up stories, and seven ways to pleasure your partner. The answer may shock you. Sometimes I'll interview my friends. Sometimes I won't. And as always, I'll be joined by the voices in my head. You have three new voice messages. A lot of people are talking about Kite Club. I've been talking about Kite Club for so long.

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