This Past Weekend - Nicole Arbour | This Past Weekend #96

Episode Date: May 17, 2018

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with, she is, well, she's controversial. She's a comedian. Is she more comedian than controversial? Is she more controversial than comedian? What's going on with this young lady? She's certainly been in the news the past day, and that is Nicole Arbor.

Arbor. Is she? Oh, yeah. We just want to be pretty. Pretty, that's the goal. We just want this money. Get them and be whole. Why we even trying?

Don't deserve a raise. Want my boss to hit it. Never life this way. We just want to be pretty. Pretty, that's the goal. We just want his money. Get him and be home. This is America.

Don't catch you climbing up. Don't catch you climbing up. Cause they'll get you slipping up. Alright, we are good. Can you hear? I can hear. Hi, Slytherin good. Can you hear? Hi, Gryffindor. I can hear. Hi, Slytherin. How are you today? I'm not Slytherin. I'm so Gryffindor.

What are you? Move the mic a little bit closer. You can move it down a bit. Yeah, I'm definitely very, very... Are you Gryffindor? I'm so Gryffindor. I've been tested multiple times at the Wizarding World of Harry Potter. When they put the hat on you? They put the hat on me.

I've been sorted. I've done the sorting tests online. I've gotten a wand. You've tested Gryffindor positive? Gryffindor positive all the time, even at the grand opening. Oh, you were there. The wand chose me. Are you really a Harry Potterer?

I'm a Potterhead, yes. Yes. I'm a big fan. Nice. Yeah, I've been getting into it. I've only read about three or four of the books. Reading is a waste of my time. I'm just kidding. I'm like, there's a visual. Why would I read?

Yeah. And this is a crazy week because you were going to come in yesterday and then you couldn't come in. I know. I'm sorry. It's okay. First of all, I was going to come in. It was a crazy week. Put out one of those videos that went crazy viral. Messages got skewed. It was kind of interesting. Always interesting with the interwebs. But yeah, so now we're doing today yeah and i appreciate you coming by and i was yeah because i was watching

the video and i didn't know that you had this video coming out whenever i'd ask you to come on the podcast do you know that or not no okay well i made it in 24 hours so you probably wouldn't have known that right yeah um but yeah so i'll watch the video and i was just like i guess and obviously there was some people i got messages yesterday when when I was like, Nicole Arbor's coming on and people were like, what is she? Oh, I'm not going to listen. I'm not going to watch. You know, people just like, why would you have her on? You know, some, someone attacked me about it.

Yeah. Which I think is interesting, which whatever, you know, if that's how, you know, people want to live, whatever. But what was like your thought process with the video? I think is interesting, which, uh, whatever, you know, if that's how, you know, people want to live, whatever. But, um, what was like your thought process with the video? I'm a really big fan. Uh, when I saw the original, like I watched, I consumed so much everything. Yeah. And this was the first thing in a real long time that I watched it. And I was like, Oh shit, this is like boom in my heart like it wasn't to me just about the theme of black people

in america that got to me because obviously i can't identify as that but it was the truth i like i think there's so much bravery in people being honest and i felt like it was really raw and really honest and even him like being shirtless and the facials and everything about it i was like this is real this is real i'm like okay well what's real to me because that's not my reality but i kind of think that i can show you my reality and then maybe just maybe i know it's a crazy fucking idea but we can find some common ground within our empathy for each other and our experiences because i see as a canadian i see so much divide that i just haven't experienced growing up in canada race relations are very different in canada and america and when i came here i almost had a culture shock really straight up i was like

wow i went to a hip-hop club which i go to all the time in toronto and i went to a hip-hop club here in hollywood and i was one of two white people. And they were like, someone came up to me, a guy and his girlfriend, obviously black. And they were like, it's not that we don't know why you're here. We just don't understand why you're so comfortable. And I was like, I don't know. Why wouldn't I be? Yeah. Like, yeah, I just wanted to like show my perspective of growing up as a woman.

And there was a lot of other girls that jumped in and did that too and i think a lot of people look at me and assume i'm extra stupid right because of there's layers to this shit i'm a bit of a tiramisu okay and uh yeah there's imagery throughout my entire video that people are definitely missing because i think they just assumed i wouldn't have imagery in my video right so yeah the whole thing was an homage from my perspective in hopes of pivoting and making everybody included in like, okay, we all have all this shit. Let's unpile all of our baggage and let's just get fucking honest, meet at the ground floor and then go up.

Yeah. Cause I, I just, I don't like seeing people fighting about nothing all the time. Yeah. Yeah. There's the idea. So that was, so that's, so like, what was the idea. So that was your idea going into the video? Yeah. Because you must have made it really fast.

24 hours. Yeah, I mean, so you... Now, can you move the mic a little closer? Can you hear? Yes. All right. Yeah, we can hear. All right.

Okay, great. Did you... I mean, when you watched the video, did you... I mean, obviously, there's a lot of articles saying, you know, that it has so much like representation and, you know, it has so many, so much symbolism and stuff like that. Did you feel that when you first watched it or did you just feel like, oh, this is the Childish Gambino version? Yeah. I saw all of it. Yeah.

I saw all of it. And like, that's why, like, obviously mine isn't the high art level that his was because i had a 24-hour turnaround which i'm pretty damn proud of i directed that shit yeah i thought it looked good look i thought it looked good for 24 hours other you did thank you why i think it was just like well it's so fast that she must have like like did was your thought process like um you know i want to capitalize on the heat of this video? No, it was more like, in retrospect, if I knew how much bigger his video was a bet to get, because I made mine when it was at 43 million views. So to me, I know the lifespan of a viral video or something going big is about a week.

So I was like, okay, I'll put this out at the one week mark. And he was at 43 million views. I'm like, okay, I'll put this out at the one week mark. And he was at 43 million views. I'm like, okay, it's already huge. It'll start declining now on the rise. Because I was looking at what's trending. And I was like, okay, it's at this spot. I don't think it's going to go higher. I was wrong.

So I could have held off and put it out later. In retrospect, definitely. But yeah, I definitely wanted people to know it's the same thing. Did you know people would take such's the same thing. Yeah. Did you know people would take such offense to your video? Absolutely not. No. It was hilariously shocking to me because I'm really good at creating conversation on offensive topics and hope of us finding solutions. Yeah, you're a rabble rouse.

I mean, you definitely. Rabble rouse. You're reeking rabble rouse. I rouse the rabbles. You rouse rouse the rabble yeah this one definitely not but you so you didn't i think that might be what it might be tough you know to not to i guess tough to believe maybe it's just that like you know you have if you have a history of rabble rousing yeah do you think it's i mean i guess you couldn't be surprised that people are gonna to think, oh, this is just a rabble rouse again. No, I can't.

I can't be surprised at that. It's interesting for me because I came out doing, I did stand-up for years. And I was a professional dancer and choreographer. I've choreographed and produced giant award shows. Yeah, I thought your dance was spot on. I mean, I'm not a great dancer, so anything's good for me. But I thought it was good. I mean, you know, I'm not a great dancer, so anything's good for me, but I thought it was good. Oh,

thank you. So for me to turn something around bigger, like a bigger production like that in direct is things that people don't even know I do. Yeah. And for me, I'm, I'm bored at staring at a camera and talking to it. Like it served its purpose,

but I'm bored. And the live tour I have coming out has elements of everything in it and i just wanted to make something bigger because that's what i wanted to do and there was such positive intention behind it was there hell yeah like and the entire cast and crew and like hearing people be like oh it's racist and it's against black people i'm like half of my cast and crew are black people right the producer and the engineer the sound engineer who are award-winning in their fields are black people the girl doing the hook yeah i didn't it didn't seem like that to me i'm not a black you know i'm not black

what unfortunately um but yeah it didn't seem like that to me i mean it seemed like it i mean i felt like it seemed hurried, kind of, you know? It definitely seemed, I was like, wow, I cannot believe she put this together. You know, it's, I mean, it looks great. It just seemed kind of hurried. It was just like, like, were you in a, were you like, did you have a certain amount of time you had to get it done in or something? Because it seemed like. I was just really excited to get it out.

Yeah. Because I thought that video was going to decline and i just loved it so much and i just like the original i loved it and i just really in this utopia in my mind that i've created if everybody put out their version of what america is like to them we would finally have some common ground yeah yeah literally That's the utopia in my mind. Right. But, well, we win some, we lose some. Yeah, it just seemed like it was, did it feel like a,

I guess, did it feel like a success then or no? Yes, because I always want to start conversations. That, to me, is like, if there's a big conversation starting, that means it needs to happen. If we're not resolved on an issue, that's when there's a lot of controversy behind it. We can't have controversy if there's a resolution on that topic. So, it's not the topic I wanted to be discussing, but a topic came up nonetheless. So, I'm doing a video tomorrow on how I think we can stop racism in America.

Wow. And I have theories, and I think I'm at a cool spot because I am Canadian and I can step back and kind of see a big picture and maybe people will agree. Maybe they'll disagree. But do you think that if you were like, who can put out a women? Cause your video is a women's edit. You're like, this is as a woman,

this is what I see. You know, this is my, like my childish Gambino. This is my version. Yes. This is of, of what it's like this is as a woman this is what i see you know this is my like my childish gambino this is my version yes this is of of what it's like for me as a woman or what some of my life is like right yeah or things i see or whatever yeah woman's version it's woman's experience yeah um and a lot of people said you know i heard that like oh well if this were a black woman or a latino woman that nobody would care nobody would have been upset yes but that's like a lot of what i've done in my entire career with my let's say dear fat people video people are like oh well if she was ugly then no one would care if she put out this video

yeah there would be no pushback on like uh other videos i've done they're like yeah but if she was a dude and said the same things there'd'd be no issue. Male comedians have said similar thoughts. Carlin did this. And, like, I hear I'm the wrong look, like, daily. And the irony is that's in my video, too. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, if it was a black woman or a Latina, no one would have cared.

No one would have cared. I mean, I do think there's a double standard sometimes that it's like, you know, that it feels sometimes like white people can't say anything. Yeah, that's what I'm definitely touching on in my video tomorrow. And I read a lot of the comments from both sides. And it just feels like I think we're both at the same spot, actually, because white people feel like they're walking on eggshells for certain reasons. It's like what you say can and will be used against you in the court of black twitter yeah and then on the other side there's black people who rightfully feel on eggshells because there's people being shot for no reason there's people being imprisoned like i can see both sides but

we we have to talk you know what i mean like we have to get this shit, but we have to talk. You know what I mean? We have to get this shit out, and we have to stop judging each individual person as a whole of that group just because of their skin color on both sides. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think, I mean, look, I agree. I mean, it's definitely always good to have a conversation. That's why some people were like, you shouldn't have her on. And I was like, well, you know, it's conversation. on and I was like well you know it's conversation like what are we gonna how do we you know if we limit ourselves from things that we that sometimes we don't agree with or things that we're unsure

about or just things that other people said like this is bad or this isn't how I like it or whatever yeah um then how are we you know then we're just going to be stuck in our safe kind of universes but did you think you had to think when you saw that video that it was you know there's so much like you know like black attraction to it like so many art like so much revelry and excitement yeah um that did you think that like oh this is gonna piss off some black people like if i go in here so no not at all really not not even for a second and because as someone that's controversial i feel like that you that's kind of where your nucleus would start i thought feminists might be the only ones who come at me like no like what would feminists be because if it's a woman's edit what would feminists be? Because if it's a woman's edit, what would feminists be upset about?

If they were like, oh, you don't represent us. You don't represent all of us. Like, I hear that. Anything I do, I get people being like, you can't do that after I already did it. But there were also so many opportunities for, say, my producer or my sound engineer or the female vocalist. Yeah, I thought the cast was diverse. I mean, I thought there was definitely diversity in the cast. Nobody said shit. Yeah.

They were all really excited because we really did have a really cool, genuine message. And I broke it down in a really cool way. And there's so much imagery in it. If it's actually watch does not look at this stupid white girl trying to imitate or steal or whatever. If you actually look at it, like I did my best. I did my thing.

I thought, look, I thought you did your best. You know, I definitely thought that. I thought it was like, I mean, I wasn't a huge fan of the song. The child's coming to song. Like I wasn't like out of the world with it. Like I thought it was good. You know, video is better than the track. Yeah.

But I thought the video was, I thought the video was super and it definitely, you know, it makes you think about things. It made me feel there were moments where I wanted to keep it on and video was super, and it definitely makes you think about things. It made me feel there were moments where I wanted to keep it on and turn it up, and there were moments where I wanted to turn it off when I was watching his original version. So I liked that. I liked that it had me going in all different ways and had visceral reactions to it, where I found myself like, geez, what's going on? Am I okay watching this here in this place where I'm watching you know i had some real reactions that's

good um and i think that was the point of the video too right for something like depending on who you were watching the video you would get a different reaction out of it yeah you know because i know like coming from a latino's perspective too like and this is uh chris perez is our producer chris perez it's on now holla his beard game is so strong yeah thank you yeah i mean coming at it from a latino's perspective i definitely got a different take out of it i feel then even some black people did and then some white people did watching it so i bet i think that was the point about art right yeah exactly it's up to your own interpretation yeah, did you feel like then, like, I mean, did you feel like you succeeded in representing, like, pulled off kind of a woman's edit? Or do you feel like you, do you feel like you, like, that, because you kind of got, like, a lot of racial pushback and stuff, too.

Do you feel like you were deserving of that? Or that was all just askew? I think it was, well, here's the thing. I think everyone gets to think what they want. it's just the fun part of art i got a lot of comments from women who were like holy fuck thank you you just said that thing that i think but i've never said right and i got a lot of that which is cool and then i got a lot of black people being like yo i get what you were doing and that was ballsy as fuck good for you you did your thing and then I got a lot of black people being like, yo, I get what you were doing. And that was ballsy as fuck. Good for you. You did your thing.

And then I got people saying, you're racist. You're white. You're not allowed to talk. You're not allowed to comment on anything that black people do or any black art. And I'm like, oh, that's a different thing. That's a different conversation. So I think I succeeded in what I was creating. Didn't mean to bring up the other conversations and it's

been pretty interesting to dive into that stuff but i do understand where um some hurt came from because some screenshots of different things i've commented back to people were clipped really tight and then taken out of context and i totally see where hurt feelings can come from that like a hundred and thousand percent like i i typed um some guy was like what's the opposite of white woman tears everywhere and i was like black woman tears everywhere like that's me just being a smart ass no they just clipped that black woman tears everywhere nicole arbor yeah and i'm like oh fuck really that's dumb but yeah that's the internet. It's messed up. It's a messed up world out there.

I mean, you know, it's like anybody can put out anything. Yeah. Do you feel like, I feel like there could have been more time between when you put yours out and when his was out. And you, there was no, you had no, because I find like you like rushed to get it out, it seems like. I thought that it was gonna go down i saw how fast it trended and i just know that generally a trend like that i didn't think it was going to be pharrell happy i thought that it was going to be big but i didn't know it was pharrell happy big so i was like i felt like an asshole when people magazine wrote that article recently like it was nice they were really fair and i thought that was super cool

but i felt like an asshole i'm like okay now i'm i'm literally deflecting shine from the original and that was not what i wanted to do i wanted to add to it like not to say that it is like for all happy but like i loved that when for all had that and it made people feel something thousands and thousands of people made their own happy videos yeah and. And I loved it. And I just like, I don't know. I just, I saw something different for it. And see, and like, I want to believe you, you know, and I do. I want to believe you, you know. But I guess, I guess just since you have this realm of like controversy, that it makes it

tough to. I guess so. Like. But you understand that though. Yeah. It's funny. I was doing an interview with, uh,

Yahoo earlier today. And she's like, we're off in Santa, in Santa Monica. Um, just on the phone. Like we didn't, I did a bunch of interviews today.

And the one with Yahoo was interesting. Cause she's like, Oh, was this like, you were trying to just get attention for this. I'm like, no, I was like,

I was just doing some art. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not at level 12 12 piss people off all the time and when i am pissing people off my core fans definitely know it's always to get to something real and a resolution every single video i've ever done if you break it down like let's say the most controversial of dear fat people it's like i was disabled for six years i could barely walk and then i would see people doing things to their bodies and like abusing themselves and

self-inflicted pain and i'm like ah i wish i could do what you're doing right now like i wish i could go out and go running and you're eating garbage and you're killing yourself and you're you're eating your feelings and you were logged up you were stopped you were shut down i was stuck yeah and i was like we need sometimes you need a drill sergeant sometimes you need a hug yeah and i felt like people to snap them out of that needed a drill sergeant and if someone's dying which i felt like a lot of people are on that topic it doesn't help to rub their shoulder you got to get the fucking paddles and shock them yeah and be like what are you doing so that's like what i did with that one but each video like i treat each thing differently depending on the topic but it's always

with the the hopes of a resolution and like that's just keeping it fucking real yeah yeah do you feel to know me more and i think you'll change your mind okay yeah yeah and maybe it takes some of that i mean i met you on Jim Jefferies podcast. You know, we did that together like a couple weeks ago. Yeah. And I thought you were extremely funny, right? And I didn't know about you know, any, I didn't know that you had like this,

you know, so you had this kind of controversial kind of vibe, you know, or sometimes this controversial trail that kind of follows you. I still think it's funny. Yeah. No, I know you do. I know you do follows you. I still think it's funny. Yeah. No, I know you do. I know you do.

And I, look, I think there's all types of entertainment. I mean, I thought that your video was, um, I was like, wow, this is impressive.

Like how, like how did she get this, you know, how did she get this done? And so fast. I mean, it was so fast. Cause it was what?

48 hours after his came out or something. Well, it was a week. I put it out. It was a week. The literal one week mark. Oh, wow. Okay. I thought it was even sooner. My something? Well, it was a week. Oh, it was a week? I put it out at the literal one-week mark. Oh, wow. Okay, I thought it was even sooner.

My bad. I recorded it a bit sooner because I had one day to kind of tweak it and stuff. But it's because I produce large-scale things all of the time. Yeah. And people don't know like 90% of what I do. Right. I work with amazing brands. I have a whole other life other than those things and the comedy.

And yeah, so for me to call up some dancers and some other people and say, hey, guys, I have this idea. It's positive. You had a lot of support. I did. And like the people in it, there were reporters in it. There were the people from Playboy Radio in it. There were like there are a lot of real cool people. And everyone had a great like a positive vibe behind it so i'm sure to pull that shit

together we had a big team meeting at the beginning and i'm like i want us to remember our messages here why are we doing this why are we doing this part who wants this role have you experienced this okay you can do that right like we went through a lot went into it yeah yeah a lot of thought and a lot of thought yeah and care yes i. I hope you rewatch it. There's like... Yeah, no, I've watched it a couple times. And I mean, no, it's interesting you're talking about it. I mean, it's like, you know, there's definitely a thing out there where it's, you know, where things get roasted in Twitter and in these weird worlds where it's, you know, it can be a lot of bandwagon.

I mean, obviously, there's so much bandwagon, you know, finger pointing and hatred out there. Yeah. You know, on the web. I mean, I felt like probably a lot of people were, I think maybe people's upsetness, that's not a word, but it is. Now it is. Yeah. Could come from just the fact that it was so close to that. Like, I think people were still trying to live in this world of this video and learn what it was about. And then, yeah, I could see how somebody would be like, oh, and then some

white woman came along and took it from us. I see it. So you understand that. I understand it. It wasn't the intention. I think it's us human beings. Right. At some point, we do have to just be human. At some point, we do just have to be human beings. And it's like, you know, if we're all going to be equal then we'd all just need to be equal you know i i understand that and yeah if you weren't a white woman would people have looked at you the same would have they have been as upset um no i don't think so no the answer is no and the funny part is like i've been discussing this

like with my team and again we're we are a funny part is, like, I've been discussing this, like, with my team. And, again, we are a funny bunch. It's like every shape, size, color, race. Yeah. And they're all like, Nicole, you're used to this. People always assume you're stupid. They assume there's no intent behind anything you do. Yeah. Just trying to get attention.

I can relate to those things. You know, that's the same thing people think a lot about me a lot of times, you know. Yeah. I mean, it's just um yeah i mean it's just you know it's just it's certainly interesting um so interesting but now so how do you find this though this is where i struggle like like or not struggle but this is where i'm wondering how do you go from controversy to comedy though that's where i'm like well how does this contra comedy because if people show up and they are, you know, if people are like miffed,

if we can use that word, then how are you going to, you know, how do you then, it seems like you're bringing them a far way back around to get them to laugh. Well, that video wasn't supposed to make them laugh. Like if we're talking about that video in particular. No, I think I'm just talking overall.

Like how do you go from controversy, yeah, well my other videos aren't my other videos are comedy videos and then i put real points in there it's like the real shit's peppered within it yeah oh accidentally made you learn haha uh and then i just like do my nonsense so that's easy and then i do live shows and i put the real shit in there and i just like i like to secretly teach people things or make them secretly think about stuff. But something like this, like, I don't know, I'm going to navigate it.

Yeah. Because I do want to be going more that direction too. I'm going to be doing more politically charged shit. I want to talk on real topics. I don't want to be a one-dimensional, one-trick.

It's true. Just be funny only because I have more to me. And I actually love that about Childish Gambino and all of his different sides. dimensional one trick it's true just be funny only because i i have more to me and i actually love that about childish gambino and all of his different sides like he does stand up he does acting he does his music he i that's who i am so i have to start letting that out or i won't be happy as a person right yeah i'm not worried about it yeah no i don't feel like you're worried about it you know well i guess maybe that would have been the next question of mine like yeah did you

have some reservations after? Like, I'm sure there had to be a moment or two where you were like, because I would be scared. Like, the Internet sometimes can be scary to me. Like, I remember one time I was dating, you know, I dated like this lady that was on Real Housewives a couple years ago or something. Right. And suddenly it was I was at the gym and it was like on the bottom of the ticker. And I was like, what the F? Like, and I wasn't even like super really dating her, you know, like it was I was at the gym and it was like on the bottom of the ticker and I was like what the f like and I wasn't even like super really dating her you know like it was just kind of whatever and then I'm like and I just remember being like I don't like this like I

want to be an entertainer yeah but I whatever this other thing is happening out here where it's like there's this press and there's this opinion or and this stuff that's forming about me that I have no control over. That's not based on my talent. I didn't like that at all. It felt extremely, I remember calling my manager. I was like, can you just make this stop somehow? Like just make it like it was on everything. It was on everything.

And that was just super scary. So I'm sure you felt a lot like like some of that like when that kind of thing rises up yeah so like last time i had tons of controversy i've had controversy a bunch of times yes the first time i was not ready i was not ready and i was literally disabled still and on disability when i filmed my first video that went crazy viral that's why i'm sitting in the white wall i was sitting in bed. And was that for large people? Fatties? That was my third,

fourth super viral video was Dear Fat People. Okay. Yeah, but that one, when that one went crazy viral, I was still on disability. So I was like, oh shit,

I'm getting pressed in the UK. Were you on pills or something? No. I was on everything for like years. But you remember making it and everything. Like this was planned.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah. No, no. That's 100% Nicole-ness yeah but that's Nicole then you know what I mean like I was still in pain and like I would make that video so different now but uh yeah I was like oh shit I better get up because here's I'm on a roller coaster whether I like it or not so I better show up to this stuff and it was crappy it's like you don't know what to expect and when people are saying things that are untrue about you and I've had people pretend that they're dating me I've had like I've had a whole bunch of that stuff that icky feeling of like ah don't no let's focus on like the thing I do it feels pervasive almost

and uh I don't like it either but this time around when that started happening I don't like it either. But this time around, when that started happening, I didn't anticipate it like that. But I felt like I was ready. Because I know who I am now. And people, and this is going to sound so after school special, but people calling me a racist doesn't make me a racist. Right? I agree with you. It's a good point. I mean, there's so much witch hunting out there these days. And it's a lot of it's just immediate it's like people don't even know they have no idea um because i you wouldn't you know i mean i don't know you don't i don't know you didn't strike me as a racist person you know the video didn't strike me as all at all as racist yeah it wasn't you know and i mean i feel like i feel like i would know a race is pretty easy because i've you know i grew up in an area there's a lot of racism um and i feel like I would know a race is pretty easy because I grew up in an area where there's a lot of racism.

And I feel like it's, I mean, I felt like, yeah, it's kind of messed up that, you know, it is tough. It's tougher these days for a white woman to have a voice. It's tough. Yeah. Or some white women anyway. You know, I don't, I love your chance, by the way. I'm going to say cross-legged.

You know, I'm not comparing my, in quotes, struggle to other people, but legitimately, I feel like I am not allowed to be, A, intelligent, B, talented unless my clothes are taken off, which I address in my video by the dancers being scantily clad. All are professional ballerinas, but it doesn't matter because when we show up on set, we're supposed to be in thongs and be twerking. Like, we are really put into these boxes and i just i can't live like that i can't give a fuck i have to do what i'm here to do and what i'm called to do i don't know what you believe in up there but uh when i have ideas and larger concepts and i'm being called to do it i just i have to do what i gotta do and and do you like but do you risk i mean do you feel like was there a fear this time you're like fuck i'm gonna lose i'm gonna lose my

whole audience like i'm gonna lose no there wasn't like i think you have those little like waves of like oh fuck oh fuck but then i'm like no you're good you're good this is not a real thing people are intelligent they'll know that. I'm so thankful this time that like, people I thought was really fair. And Perez Hilton, of all people I thought was really fair, which is cool, because he wasn't so fair to me in the past. But like, he's changed a lot in like the past six or seven years. I remember having an interview with him a couple of about six months ago. And he was a lot different than he used to be a long time ago. Isn't that fun, though, how we get to change?

And I think we have to allow people that ability to change. Yeah. We have to give people room to, A, fuck up. Because if we're all living in a world where we're not allowed to fuck up or experiment. Especially when we're all fucked up anyhow. Right. Yeah, express your fuckingness. Yeah.

Like, yeah, I think we all have to just like loosen the reins a little bit. And I think that'll happen more when, uh, we start having real conversations and being honest because yeah, it's weird. I think of someone like Justin Bieber who grew up with that kind of like scrutiny on him and, or Chris Brown that,

you know, he makes a mistake that of course it's a, it's a bad mistake. What happened with him and Rihanna, but for him to have to live in that forever, it's a bad mistake what happened with him and Rihanna. But for him to have to live in that forever, it's just not fair. It's not real. And I think we got to readdress how we are treating each other, kind of.

Do you think, but do you feel like, I mean, some of your stuff that it treats people. I mean, say like the Fast Shame video. fast shame video, like, is that like a joke or is that real? It's just like your real thoughts and it's. Well, that's like going to character mode. Right. You know what I mean? It's definitely a character. It's a funny character. Oh, thank you. It's a hyper version of one part of my brain. And, uh, I'm sure you have those too, but that served its purpose. Like I got thousands upon thousands of people and i still get them daily being like you saved my life i needed someone to i watched your video and i went oh fuck she's talking to me yeah and i lost x pounds like i'll show you the photos on my phone

i believe you our producer said he might be fat he said he might be fat the other day well i just barely found that out someone brought it up to me that you might be fat yeah just a little bit yeah you know it's actually funny because my weight fluctuates a lot and my best friend read this article of some guy who texted his friend that he was fat every day until he lost the weight and during college and finals i was stressing out and eating a lot and he texted me every single day that i was fat and it kind of did help you know and it comes out of a place for love you know he did i guess fat shame me a little bit and i lost the weight and then i think this past year i started putting it back on again what happened to somebody dying your family like how what made you think like you put it back on

like well you know i'm like a stress eater yeah you know and i used to i actually used to be in really good shape i saw a good competition i would watch that stress eaters taste delicious uh yeah i played football all throughout high school i actually boxed most of my life and then i broke my shoulder uh playing football and that kind of limited i had like multiple surgeries that kind of limited a lot of what i could do oh wow uh and then i don't know if you know anything about boxing but we had to do a lot of weight cutting so i was always on diets and food is delicious yeah it is and i hate having to like lose you know when you're cutting weight you have to lose like 15 20 pounds in a day you know you're talking to a model yeah oh yeah so you get it so after all that was like well i

don't i'm not gonna box anymore i mean i used to want to be a professional boxer and that's just that completely went out the window and i was like well i'm just gonna eat whatever i want to be a professional boxer and that's just that completely went out the window and i was like well i'm just gonna eat whatever i want to eat and what about no whenever you saw the fat shame video though or the show i mean i don't know if that's okay i saw i mean i saw that when it went viral you know it didn't bother it didn't bother me in the slightest because one i understand that it's satire you know i i totally got that and it helped it i thought you were funny thanks you know i think comedy if you're funny that trumps a lot of things you know like and then um i i could see how some people would

get offended it's just i'm not someone that i'm just not gonna get offended by that you have a different experience and i you know what i mean like i grew up in such a multicultural neighborhood and i was watching the simpsons and I grew up with an Italian neighborhood, but going to school with Trinis and Jamaicans were my friends and like Filipinos. And like, we all roasted each other every day and about our ethnicities. Yeah.

So I just, yeah, me too. That's what it was like growing up. Like people didn't care as much. It wasn't, it's crazy. It's like,

I don't feel like in a lot of ways that we have gone, uh, I feel like we've gone forward as people. I just feel like electronically, it's like we're still we're living in different centuries and we keep bringing those different centuries up into current times a lot of times. Yeah, because I feel like we're evolving as people. I just feel like on social media. A lot of us aren't evolved or we're just it's just easier to hate there. It's easier to be angry there.

That's why I turned off some my comments. I turned it off on YouTube on this video and I turned it off on Instagram. We're just, it's just easier to hate there. It's easier to be angry there. You know what? That's why I turned off some comments, my comments. I turned it off on YouTube on this video and I turned it off on Instagram. The second I saw my cast getting like super harassed and hated on. Yeah. Did they feel bad then? Cause I noticed some of your cast didn't share the video. So they all did it first. And then I was like, yo, fall back.

I'll take this heat. Like this was not what we did this for so fall back and some of them were like no we're putting it out send us more clips and like a bunch of them posted even more after that they're like fuck that we know what we did we know the intention you're not doing this by yourself and i'm like it's okay i got this was there a difference between like if like black girls or white girls or white girls or Latino girls that were more willing to share it? No. No.

And the producer, the guy that produced the track, Quinn Anthony, badass friend of mine for years now, he did some interviews yesterday. Like I said, he's a black guy. And he went to bat. And he's a very intelligent, very philosophical kind of man. And he was like, you know know how are you calling appropriation on nicole you know let's say for example whitney houston's number one hit is i will always love you created by dolly parton so he's like it's not cultural appropriation she had a great idea we went in this vibe she was appreciating the original it's a remix and where's he from is he

from from here i believe yeah i think he's an la native and uh yeah like i had a whole bunch of big music producers hit me up and all black people after and we're like yo that was dope we see what you were going for the tone of your voice is very fred durst it's cool there's no girl that sounds like you right now yeah let's record do you feel like did you feel like the video was so outside of the race thing then, right? Yeah. Outside of that. Because I felt like this just seemed like such an easy thing to accuse people of all the time now. And if we can't all just do whatever we want to do.

And I feel like we almost can. I feel like most people are kind of doing what they want to do. Yeah. Like when I look around, like most people, it's like I don't see as much. I mean certain things are certainly not as racist the environment that i grew up in i don't hear anything like i used to hear when i was a kid um yeah i mean and you know what the problem with calling everything racist is that it takes away it from it you know like my when my family first immigrated here they experienced

actual racism you know like it and and to say that you're racist because of that video is the it's it's like infuriating but do you think it was messages right but do you think it was now people could definitely get lost here i feel like this is a place where i got lost with it i felt like where was it comedy or was it trying to make a statement? I don't think there was comedy in it. I think there was biting satire, hence the smiling to the camera while I'm talking about rape. You know what I mean? That's my art. That's how I feel about it.

I'm not going to cry about it. I'm going to smile and say fuck you to the camera while I do a video, while a girl is being carried away by a Mexican man who he had actually gotten the date rape drug. I think he said three times, three times himself. There was multiple people in there that had gotten that. So that to me is the way I express myself. Like it's, it's biting and it's satire, but there was no ha ha funniness to any of it. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think then, so I guess like like as an entertainer are you going to be able to get people do you feel like you still want to be a comedian or do you feel like you are trying to

go in a different direction because i feel like it's going to be hard to get people from controversy to comedy i think you can go from comedy to controversy yeah but i've been doing it like shows all the time uh huge tours offered right now and and I'm going to be doing them. And I'm really excited. And I'm going to Nicole Arbor it. I'm not going to just stand there with a mic and tell jokes because that's not where I'm at right now. There's going to be a lot of everything. Well, and I think that's some inspiration to me. Even watching the Childish Gambino video, I was like, oh, wow.

This is something that if you're an actor or you're a comedian, you can do this also if you want to. Yeah. If you feel it. And even watching your video, you can do this also if you want to. Yeah. You know, if you feel it. And even watching your video, I was like, oh, wow, this is brave. Like this is, you know, she has on tap shoes. Like that's something you can do if you feel it. Yeah. Can I talk about the tap thing real quick?

Yeah. Because there's some serious irony to that tap scene. I always wanted to be a tap dancer. I will teach you. Yeah, we'll learn. That would actually be really fun. The irony of that part is I was like, you know what? I want to do a nod to cultural appropriation, but I've been taught it since I was a kid.

So I realized that tap comes from the minstrel shows, then went to vaudeville. And I know that because one of my huge inspirations and then teachers was gregory hines who's like the notorious tap man of the world black man for those who don't know and growing up as a kid he didn't say to me little white girl you're not allowed to do this because it's for us he just made sure i knew the history of it so growing up i knew where it came from i know the music that it started with like i freaking love tap i don't care if it sounds lame i'm a big fan yeah it's neat and uh super neat that's why we put that in there and i'm like well here's three white girls that uh grew up learning tap and it's not because we wanted to culturally appropriate or steal it's because it was taught to us and we love it too so i threw that in there as a little nod to the cultural appropriation which looking

back now is fucking ironic. Yeah. Well, I mean, if we're all out here, sometimes cultural appropriation, I'm like, this is just, I mean, if you want to look back through the history books, like there's, it's all been, everything's been culturally appropriated somewhere along the lines. All music comes from black people.

But did you know, did you, yeah, thank God it doesn't come from white people originally. I think that it would have been a lot worse. I think it would have been, I think it would have been a lot worse. I think it would have been a lot worse. Do you, but you have to know at some point, like, this is gonna push some buttons. Buttons? I'm not scared of pushing buttons.

I'm not. I'm not. Yeah. Be uncomfortable. Yeah. My favorite jokes and the things that I see in the world, like, I love George Carlin, and he pushed buttons. He did.

I love it. Yeah, it's tough. And it's tough you can't do it thatlin, and he pushed buttons. He did. I love it. Yeah, it's tough. And it's tough you can't do it that much anymore. But do you think it's... I think we have to. Like, say you're doing the tap dancing. You don't think, like, oh, this is... Because there's some... You know, like, you don't think, oh, peep, this is going to get a racy.

But I love tapping. Yeah. So where is the line? When do I get to live my life? I love rap. I love hip-hop. I love tap dancing. I want to mash it life? I love rap. I love hip hop. I love tap dancing. I want to mash it all up.

I love being super white as well. I realize I am mayonnaise. I will bring goddamn raisins and put it into your potato salad. I don't give a fuck. It's delicious. Yeah. It's like, when can you do it? Yeah.

Yeah. It's like, how can you live your life in a world where it is tough to live your life in a world where things are you know created by everyone it's like you can only use white stuff i don't even know what that is anymore right does that mean no little black girls can be ballerinas because that's stupid right because i know where that came from too it's it's dumb i just think it's dumb and we all need to like oh i don't think it's i don't think any of that kind of stuff is helping us i just don't think there's a solution to it.

There's definitely a very stupid double standard to cultural appropriation. I don't even, honestly, I don't subscribe to that rule. I think it's the dumbest rule ever. Being Mexican, I'm the first person in my family to be born in America. And I think, I just, I don't understand the negative part about cultural appropriation. I love it when I see black people open up a taco stand. I think that is the best thing ever. Because they want to share my culture. They want to learn about it.

I don't mind that stuff. And I think also in Japanese culture, it's the same thing. They like it when people share their culture. So I don't understand when I see another group of people like say no you're not allowed to use my culture that that goes against everything that i was brought up i feel it i feel why they do it too though because they still feel oppression it's not the same oppression from 200 years ago which is another tweet i got in trouble for when they're i said uh i'm sick of people talking about slavery something along the lines of it's over, let's focus on the socioeconomic slavery of now, which I'm going to address in my video because it's true.

I know what they feel on that side. So, yeah, I mean, yeah, that's it. Yeah, it's tough to, it's like. Like, do you want me to tag black girls when I wear braids? I don't know. Right. But if someone could give me some kind of playbook, that'd be cool. There isn't a real playbook.

I mean, a lot of it's so vague, and it's based on what articles people want to write and how upset people want to try and get people. And there's a lot of people, tons of people, who sit on Twitter, sit on social media, and do nothing else to contribute to anything. They're professional victims. Yes. Right. It's a big thing that's going on in America. I agree. victims yes it's a big thing it's going on in america i agree i thought yesterday i was like man if all these people that are hitting up my twitter went out and voted for whatever cause

they want whether it be a a large presidential thing a local thing a whatever a municipal thing yeah shit we could get things changed yeah imagine imagine they gotta turn voting into like online on twitter Make it like American Idol Oh I think we're close I mean I think we're Really really close You know I think I mean everyone says

That The Rock is like Running for president Is planning on running For president next time So I could easily see It being something like that He would save us all If there was a earthquake

Yeah Kanye too apparently Woody Kanye Yeah Kanye said that Kanye looked crazy Last time I saw him though I'm ready Kanye I'm ready i guess man

like breakfast club yesterday was making fun of me donkey of the day i'll take it i think that's a them talking about me makes me very happy so but how do you go from that so people talking about you right but do you think that like the long term of it do you think it's a viable like being controversial it's but that's not the goal right goal is like the goal is real shit right there's so much watered down bullshit i can stand i agree there's a lot of watered down bullshit i can make jokes like about anything and keep them within the realm of safe and get laughs my soul doesn't like it i did years. Like, I don't think that I was in a car accident and spent years in bed to come back to not live what I think is going to be what I'm here for. So, I know it sounds a little bit Kanye-ish, but I have to do what I know to be

right and fix what I think is wrong. That's your perspective. And I think... I'll do it. I'm not worried. I'm honestly like, I'm just not worried about it. Because people see who I am. People that are actually following. Right. Yeah. And so, do you feel like this next video that you have, you already mentioned it as race and it has some type of racial element? Yes.

And I'm doing a roundtable with all people of color. And all these people kept saying, you don't know, you don't know, you need to listen. I'm like, cool. Yeah, people say that a lot of times to me, too. And it's like, why does someone understand sometimes? Yeah, kept saying you don't know you don't know you need to listen i'm like people say that a lot of times to me too and it's like why i just don't understand sometimes yeah like i don't know yeah there's some things i don't know for sure so i'm saying come talk to me i'm setting up a round table yeah it's gonna be me and i'm gonna sit there we're gonna talk about shit and i'm gonna tape it and we're gonna put it on the internet yeah cool you want to talk let's talk Sometimes the best conversation, the realest conversations are had off screen. That's the craziest part.

True. You know? True. Because that's the only safe place to have conversations now is when there's no cameras rolling, when you can just speak your mind. Yeah. When is that? Yeah.

When is that? I'm not baller like you guys. No one really follows me around. I'm going to get Olivia to follow you after. I'm not followed like you guys. No one really follows me around. I'm going to get Olivia to follow you after. But it is interesting how it's like,

do you think sometimes there's just been such a way for so long that maybe black people feel? I mean, you can understand black people's perspective, though, when people were upset with you, if there were black followers or black people on social media. Some of them. I mean, obviously, there's a lot of Muppets out there. I don't care if they're black or white or fucking blue who just follow the, who have never had a. They can't breathe.

Yes. Who are just a bunch of fucking goldfish. No matter what, they just, you know, they're just swimming in their bowl. That's it. Yeah. But do you feel like, could you understand some people's angst? From the video, I think it's really misdirected. Really misdirected if they take a second to think about it.

I don't think a remix video should be met with the same fire as someone who has shot a kid. And that's what came at me, which is, I think it's ridiculous. The tweets that were taken out of context, 100%. I 100%

see how that could hurt feelings. Right. Ruffle feathers. Totally. If people don't like my music, that's fine. If people don't like my work, I don't give a shit. Yeah. Like, cool.

That's opinion. Yeah. But the other stuff, yeah. But that's not the goal. So, we'll fix that. Yeah. And I ain't scared. I'm not scared.

Yeah. I mean, you're definitely fearless. Look, it's brave. You know? Thanks. That's what I thought. I think of people like Eminem, too. Like, not to

compare myself to him but imagine what he went through just because he loves the art of rap and hip-hop as like the sole white person that was really pushing through all that what he's been called what he was like and that was in real life too and people would beat him up for coming to a show like

yeah that's crazy if I look at people who've done like way bigger shit than me and I'm like okay if they can do that i can be brave yeah i can just put on my wonder woman suit and walk through the fire look i mean it's it's uh it's definitely it was definitely brave you know it was super brave thanks probably the bravest thing yeah i mean it's like here's uh you know do you feel like it landed where you wanted it to or do you feel like it was off some i feel like it landed where it had to to, or do you feel like it was off some? I feel like it landed where it had to. Yeah.

I'm a big everything's happening for a reason kind of person, and then you see where it is, and then you learn from that. You adjust the dial, and then you keep going. Yeah, because I know who I am, and I know the goal is never to just hurt people for the sake of hurting people, because what the fuck's the point of that? Yeah, I think there's always room for me to learn and adjust and tweak things. hurt people for the sake of hurting people. Cause what the fuck's the point of that? Uh, yeah, I think there's always room for me to learn and adjust and tweak things. But I was really, I felt pretty good. Cause like my whole team stood behind me,

even when I was like, no, get the fuck back. Let me take this heat. They were like, no, we're with you. I'm like,

Oh wow. That's cool. Thanks guys. Do you feel like there's like that you can get that with that much, like people like having, do you feel like the media like, that you can get that with that much, like people like having, do you feel like the media treated you fairly kind of? Yeah. You do?

I do. Because, well, it's the media. That's cool. You know how people. Yeah, I'm not a big fan a lot of times. They get clicks by a sensational headline. Right. That is their job.

So I literally feel like this is the most fair I've been treated. We'll see. We can see what Yahoo said after because it was a really really fair conversation so we'll see what they report after but i've had people completely twist my words or full-on makeup things in the past that didn't happen this time if the black press want to say i suck i'm whitewashed i am i i am so white i am the whitest of the white yeah no you're not shocking me by calling me mayonnaise. That's fine. Say that. That's cool. But I think people, I think Perez, I think a couple others were super fair. I think the political websites that actually broke down the frames of my video with his and they caught what I was doing. I was like, that's cool. Like after today,

I probably won't ever want to talk about this video again. Yeah, no, I know. It's fast. It's like things come and go quick, you know? Yeah. The next, this next video you have coming up what is this about um i don't know what i'm gonna title it yet but it's definitely about fixing racism it's like white girl's gonna fix racism in under five minutes wow i i have a big idea and i think that's what everything's about like i have a bunch of like ted talk kind of stuff's coming up to you and i've done talks like that in the past and i fucking love it i love being able to flex my intellectual muscles and then go back to comedy and then go dance and like do all that stuff so there's gonna be a little bit of that in there tomorrow it's gonna be comedy

mixed with a bit of my preaching and then uh yeah so just vintage nicole arbor holla yeah you were scared. Do you remember that guy, Gratatata, that was on the internet? Do you remember that guy, Brian? No, he seems fun, though. He was on Twitter for a while. I know who you're talking about. He was on Instagram for a while, and he always had these abs, and he was on drugs, but he was like...

Damn. He was like, Gratatata. But is he single? He is definitely single. He got tattoos of doves or something on his neck. Damn. He'd be like, But is he single? He is definitely single. He got tattoos of like doves or something on his neck. Damn. Yeah. When they cry.

He was big on Vine, I remember now. I'm trying to, because he did a, he was like holding the gun. Yeah, that's all he did. And then it just went crazy, like the way he did it. I'm trying to remember his name, but I know, I know exactly who you're talking about now. Because he had like kind of like long hair a little bit. And then he would, he was like holding yeah that's fine um yeah the titties tool line i thought was really good oh thanks you know these are my titties that is my tool yeah thanks i'm being childish that is my tool is your brain right yes and it's so god

like i know this is your comedy podcast but it's just so no it's okay we don't sometimes it's not a comedy on here Oh okay I was feeling bad for a second We talk about a lot of real stuff On this show too Oh yeah yeah yeah No sometimes it's like Usually like the Monday episode

Is more comedy And if we have a guest Then it's just like about Just life Life You know Or just like about what's going on Or like what makes you

You know What makes us feel Like we feel Or do What do you think Do you think there's something In your past That makes you okay or comfortable, like having even controversy in your world?

Because a lot of people don't want that at all, you know? Yes. And, well, I've been like this since I was a kid. I was always in trouble because I would ask questions. I got kicked out of class at private Catholic school so many times because I would stand up to the teachers when they would say something I didn't agree with. So, they told me gay is wrong. It is in the Bible that it is wrong. It is a sin. And I was sitting beside my gay friend and I could feel him dying on the inside. And I was just like,

no, it's not. I was like, nope. I'm like, there are examples of being gay in the Bible. I don't think it's wrong. Plus, if you think it's wrong, Jesus would forgive you anyway. So, ha, we're good. And then they kicked me out of class. And then I did my ISU, which takes you an entire semester to do, on all the ways I found people being gay in the Bible and all the examples. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of gay activity everywhere. They wouldn't even read it. You know, especially alongside the interstate.

And that's true. That's fun. I remember when I was um in high school they had a man i met i was a bus boy and he was a bus man he should have got been a waiter by then but he was still busing and this gentleman was a buddy of mine you know and he was you know homoerotic man and he um and we became friends we used to use steroids together we'd pull off the side of the interstate and shoot steroids in each other's buttocks. That sounds fun.

Yeah, and it was, I mean, it wasn't like, I mean, that was my broke top, what's a broke top mountain? Brokeback Mountain. Brokeback Mountain. That was my Brokeback Mountain was me and this Italian dude just gunning steroids into each other's butt cheeks. You know, I was a bus boy. He was a bus man. But, yeah,

that was probably, so yeah, anyway, crazy shit happens off the interstate. What were we talking about? What were you talking about? I don't know,

but that was a great story, so I don't even care. Yeah, and he died, actually. Shut up, Billy Conforto, he died,

he was on pills and he drove into an embankment. Oh my goodness. Yeah, I've lost three friends to embankments, dude. Whoa.

That's crazy. We should start a fund. Yeah. Against him lost three friends to embankments, dude. Whoa. That's crazy. We should start a fund. Yeah. Against. Yeah. There should be something. Um, that we were talking about,

I've just always kind of been a rebel like that. I also, yeah. Do you feel that need to, to like, I feel the need to do what's right all the time. Like, but do you,

do you always trust your idea of like, do you have a, do you feel like you have a solid scope of what's right? Yeah, I do. And when it's not right and I do it anyway, it never works out well. Oh, yeah? Yeah, when I force something, when I don't go with my gut, all of it. Yeah, and then for me, being in a car accident and not being in the world, really, for so many years.

I've done a talk on this for people who might have seen it. I literally made a deal with God. I don't know who you believe in but uh i believe in the lord okay well that guy i was like yo if you let me come back i promise that i'll bring as many people with me as i can and like be real and like do my shit for real this time not just pose and be pretty and be a model and stay in the little box of, hey, cute white girl, this is what you're supposed to do with your life, which I was doing before. So I was like, no, I'm coming back and I'll do what I think is right. And yeah, that's why I talk about drugs in one video.

That one, it's super viral. I know that America, North America is very over drugged. I experienced it myself when I could have gotten real treatment. I was just given pills. Like I just kind of feel like I see different perspectives on shit. And when we express those, we can help people. Ding, ding. Well, yeah, I mean, look, I think it's always good to have different perspectives.

And yeah, I mean, I appreciate you coming here and thinking about some of this stuff with us and sharing, kind of breaking down a little bit. Because yeah, there's just a lot of heat out there. There's a lot of heat about the video and just what people thought. I want to say this, too. I think this will be in some articles, but for people listening that are like, oh, you stole this from him and you're using it for. What am I using it for? He gets the money from it.

It was an instant label label deal instantly and they get money like a remix they get the money from it yeah so it is making money on the youtube side but that goes to him right rightfully so we said that in advance someone was like oh well what are the song splits on this i'm like this goes to the church of gambino right like this is a donation yeah and yeah it was just it was just a piece of art being expressed and that's it so there was no like thievery intended or i'm going to steal his views it's like how you're giving me way too much credit how am i gonna steal any anything from that i'm surprised any shine came this way from that yeah yeah do you feel like it's um that being

not even from america like originally from canada that people give you an even tougher time to come to America and then like discuss like, you know, or comment on what's going on in America? Not that you're not allowed to or whatever, but do you get any kickback from that? Sometimes. That's why I put the line in there like, we'll say North America. Okay. Yeah. I see. Yeah, I was wondering about that.

I feel like it's similar. There's a lot of similarities, but there's definitely the race tension. The racial tension is so much larger in America. It is larger here. That's why I want to have the round table and sit down. It's like, you don't know. You don't know. Okay, teach me.

Like, now what? Like, teach me. I would love to learn because I'm pretty good at finding solutions. Well, I find a lot of black friends, like if I have black friends from other countries that are not from America, they don't have as tough a time in America. You know, like my black friends that are from Jamaica or black friends that are from England. I love Jamaicans. So, yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's a look, there's a ton of, you know, there's a ton of, there's always conversation we had.

It's always good to hear different people's perspectives. Chris, do we have a couple of calls that came in for Nicole? Yeah. We got a couple. Let's pull some up right now. I really like your shoes. You do? Are those Tom's?

Yeah. Yeah? And Tom's, I say they buy a... A pair for you, a pair for somebody else. Yeah, for somebody else. But I've never met that person or know anything like that. They should put a thing in it so you know if that's real. I want the photo. I want to to like see it sorry you're doing

your producing job all right so this first call is from orphan orphan what up what's up calling from chicago means orphan what's up orphan just want to say what's up, Orphan? Just want to say what's up and blesses to all of you out there listening. On the Nicole Arbor thing, I love the fact that she came out and blasted all fat people. Because I myself was fat at one point and got the courage to lose all the weight. Yeah. And yeah, there's no need for anyone to be big, guys. We need to get off our asses and motivate ourselves a little more. Well, look.

Yeah. Nicole says, yeah, you know that. That makes me so happy. Because she made the video. I know that, like, I mean, I see a lot of people, you know, I struggle with addiction. I know a lot of people that, you know, for some people it's an addiction. Yeah, 100%. You know, some people are addicted to snacks, addicted to, bugles, having pies, pieces of pie, leftovers, other people's leftovers.

I didn't know that was something. My buddy said. You're like pie. I'm like 3.14 repeating. What? No. People like having real snacks, late night snacks, mid-morning, daytime, afternoon, nighttime. Snacks, late night snacks, mid-morning, daytime, afternoon, nighttime.

I used to date a girl. She would wake up in the middle of the night and put a bunch of jelly beans and chocolate chips in her mouth. Yum! At the same time. But bad. Yeah. So anyway, I know it's an addiction. A lot of people have to.

Do you feel like sometimes your art, this is what I, this is, that it's just, it's more, it's just kind of a surface level. It's not going to, like, do you feel like it can't help because there's just so many more little, like, there's more to some of these problems? No, it does help. Right. I am a catalyst, and I know it to be true. And I have millions of, literally millions, 700 million people have watched my videos in the last two years. Yeah.

And millions of people have reached out and been like, that thing you said that time changed my life. And I'm like, what? When? Yeah. So like, you know,

I catch some heat sometimes. I don't care. Cause I turned around and go, wow, I helped all those people's lives. These people were in chronic pain. They're getting better treatment. These people over here,

they're not on those unnecessary drugs. These ones, they're getting along. This relationship is better. I'm fucking winning. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I guess. Well. I'm a cheerleader.

Like, for real. That's a good point. I mean, there's so many ways to reach people. And if, you know, yeah, I mean, it's like, who knows how people can be reached, right? Some people may need, you know, hand-holding and some people may need, you know, something real

fancy and then some people may just, you know, they may fancy. And then some people may just, you know, they may just need to see somebody just shoot them straight in a video. That's what I need. There's no universal answer. No. Yeah. And I'm sure that, like you said, it's helped a lot of people. But I could also see how some people would be like, oh, that's not for me.

Yeah, but that's the difference of, let's say we're hurt because we're all hurt, right? Yeah. And all my videos stem from like, okay, I see a problem, let's say we're hurt because we're all hurt right yeah and all my videos stem from like okay i see a problem let's fix it so if i'm hurt you might need physio for the same thing that i need a painkiller for the same thing that you just need to go for a walk until your muscles are better right so i just think it's different pills for different people and i think i mean if it helps one person when then why should we not do that thing yeah you know well we definitely live in a place where it's like yeah we, we want to, we want to find things that offend us.

You know, we want to be offended. There's a lot of people out there that wake up every day and want to professional offense. Yeah. It's gotten out of hand sometimes. I think, um, we got one more call. Okay. Yep. Let's go to it.

Okay. And this next call is from scuba Steve. Scuba Steve. Hey, that sounds? That sounds familiar. Yeah, this is Scuba Steve down here in Houston, Texas. And I had a question for Nicole Arbour. I wanted to know if she could tell us more about her depression and then also about the myths and legends

of the Hollywood casting couch I understand that they also have a casting recliner and a casting love seat if she could be so kind to indulge us with some more details on that Scuba Steve

who is Scuba Steve? I have no idea Adam Sandler thoughts on that Nicole scuba steve yeah yeah who is scuba steve i have no idea adam sandler little kid oh yeah the doll that's right um thoughts on that nicole well depression yes very large parts really came out when after the car accident when it came to fruition through that stuff that's what it stemmed from but obviously depression is a multi-ayered beast. And I made a video on how to defeat and treat depression, which also went psycho viral. People thought it was very controversial as well, because I told people you can get better. And a lot of times people don't want to hear that. And I do believe everybody can get better.

That can be true. Yeah. I mean, look, yeah, it's kind of almost like shock therapy a little bit, some of what you do. Do you feel like that? Yeah, definitely. But like, when it it's kind of almost like shock therapy a little bit, some of what you do. Do you feel like that? Yeah, definitely. But, like, when it comes to depression, Mr. Scuba Steve, if that's your real name, is probably not. No, it didn't seem like it was real man. I mean, it seemed like a real man, but. Yeah, I'm a little skeptical if he's the actual Scuba Steve. It'd be cool if he was.

Yeah. I gave people, like, three steps, like, and I really think that, like, is so important. Like our mind is like the strongest tool we have. So if you believe that you're not going to get better, you will not. And I guarantee you. And the difference between me and a bunch of people that were being treated at these crazy chronic pain clinics at the same time is the main doctor said to me, do you think you will get better? Do you believe that I can help you with this? Cause if you don't leave, he's like, you won't. He's like, you are already working against all these odds. And I switched my mindset, put sticky notes all over my whole house that said, you're getting better every day.

You can do this. You look great. You're awesome. Like, everywhere I could look, stopped watching negative shit, only watch positivity. I do three sermons a day that I listen to online or whatever. I listen to motivational shit every morning. And when you start actually like dealing with your real stuff, then you can get better. You gotta be real to defeat depression. You can't just take a pill and expect that you're better. Yeah. Yeah. You gotta deal with the real shit. Could you understand how if somebody saw

one of your videos and they, it did not work for them, you could understand how they would be upset. I mean, you could understand how people would look at a video and be like oh that's you know you know that's mean or something you could understand it i can understand it but that video in particular i give it a hundred percent nicole arbor seal oh fuck yeah wow you come back to me after you try the things i told you and tell me they didn't work and i'll tell you you're full of shit yeah like i firmly believe that you can defeat depression. I think everybody can defeat depression or at least treat it to where you have a way better life. And yeah, that's, again, like, and that's a funny video.

And people are like, oh, shit, that's funny. And I'm like, yeah, but I gave you the lesson. Ding! Yeah. Yeah, look, there's a lot. I mean, some people don't want to hear things, you know, and there's a lot of stuff on the internet that people, I mean, that's one thing about the internet.

It's like it's full of stuff that people want to hear and stuff that they don't want to hear. Yeah, it's interesting, huh? Yeah, it's interesting. It's fun watching people react, I think. Yeah? I think like, I think I'm a social scientist. Yeah, what do you get out of that?

Yeah? That's what I am to me. I'm like, yeah, I'm a funny social scientist. But do you feel like you, like, does that get addictive in the way you're gonna have to up the ante like if you have the next videos about how to cure racism it sounds like i just don't know if it's gonna go over well you know that's okay i think the the ideas have to go out there these ideas are real concepts real thoughts and they need to be out there and i if i thought them and they shouldn't be out there then i probably wouldn't be inspired to do it because just looking at my history it's like

all of the times that i say the thing that i'm really i really feel a lot of people get helped by it whether i have to stand in fire or not so i gotta do what i gotta do yeah well i mean i guess it's brave i mean if we stay yeah if we're here and we don't say or try and, if we don't share what we believe we're supposed to share. Yeah. Then, yeah, I mean, that would feel fucked up, you know. Seriously. I just hope you're on a good track. I mean, I hope that the long-term picture is good, you know.

I know it is. Yeah. Yeah. I just, like, I don't believe that i could come into like i've done this so many times it's like what am i at i'm over 55 super viral videos now wow at the first one people are like yeah it's a fluke blonde chick shut up second one yeah okay she couldn't do it again fourth one was dear fat people five six seven eight i'm still going in i had like 12 in the first few months and then people like it was still a fluke and now i'm like okay fuck you it's not a fluke yeah i

just like i i have a message behind what i'm doing i have a list of societal issues at my house on my whiteboard and i'm just gonna cross them off here comes the next video hope you get something from me and what gives you the right to be able to do that? You think just obviously you just have a voice and anybody can? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I actually think we have a responsibility that if you see a problem and you know how to fix it or you think you could help, you have to do that.

Yeah. You're an asshole. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look, it's wild. I mean, look, you're super brave. You wouldn't do it, huh?

I mean, I think, you know, I don't know. Sometimes I feel like I maybe do like bravery in some areas, you know. I like bravery sometimes to speak about certain stuff or to think about certain things. I don't know. I think I'm still learning a lot about myself, you know. Isn't that fun? It is pretty fun. Look, it's the best.

It's like, yeah. And if you don't take some risks and you don't do things, then where do you end up? You know, I mean, you just end up not knowing. and where do you end up you know i mean you just end up not knowing you know you end up probably not i mean the only way to get out of a fishbowl is to be you know kind of you know tempt your fin in some other water you know you got to kind of see what's going on so yeah i mean it's definitely you know it's super brave you might be maybe i mean you're the first female guest we've had is that right chris yeah first female guest i win yeah yay yeah you might win thanks i feel like i won being here yeah good luck with the video you don't know the name of it yet i don't yet but there's there's a bunch coming up

and then i'm working on the live tour right now so tickets will be available very soon and uh it's the show is so funny it's insane, every single time we have, like, a meeting on the show and we're going through the script, I'm crying and then everybody's crying and I'm like, oh, this is fun.

And what type of, is it just a one-woman show? No, there's a full cast in it. So there's, like, there's myself. It starts out one way and then we take you a totally different direction

but it's funny as fuck and super topical and really interactive with social media. And where could we see that? Where could we buy tickets? We're going to be touring everywhere but you can just

keep following us. Not yet, unfortunately, but we're going to be going to across the US and Australia and UK and obviously

I have to go to Canada because... Who do you liken yourself to? Like, if you had to compare yourself to like another artist, you know? Oh,

it's hard. Childish Gambino. Ah one good one yeah specifically the last few days probably um like i i think or this is just something new that we're on i'm on some new shit but like i think i'm a mash-up of a of a tony robbins with a carlin with i think i'm a mashup of a Tony Robbins with a Carlin. I think I'm an old school entertainer where they used to do everything. Like a Dick Van Dyke. That's, I think, I want to sing and dance and act and write and be funny and do all of the stuff. And I have motivational stuff coming up, too. And I have a motivational program.

Yeah, you don't want to be pigeonholed. I don't even know why pigeons would sit in holes. That seems stupid. They should get out. Pigeons are fucking lazy man um yeah i don't want no no um no well well i appreciate you coming on and uh those are some big names those are big names that you that you listed and you know um yeah it's a i mean i politicians, too. Yeah? I think they're so brave. Really? Yeah, I do. Like, you can't be a politician without being willing to stand in the fire.

And, like, I really look up to Michelle Obama recently. Like, Oprah, to me, is, like, everything. Yeah. I know she is to a lot of people. I just think she's so honest and multifaceted, and I just think it's cool that she does everything. She's so honest and multifaceted. And I just think it's cool that she does everything. And then like Michelle Obama, she just like, she took that job that she was given and she freaking ran with it.

And she ran a home and she ran a white house behind the scenes. And you know that her husband was busy, but she kept that shit together. And you know that she was there for him. And she started all these really cool initiatives. And she still is such like a model of what you can be i just think it's really neat yeah yeah i thought one of the greatest things that i've seen probably in my life is uh was probably yeah having like a like because if you're like a black child growing up like you and you look at like the white house and you've all or you know you see oh, a black man can be a president.

Then it totally just changes your perspective. I used to think when I was young and they had commercials for Disney World on the television. And it was always white kids at Disney World. Really? Yeah. And I was like, fuck. I just remember thinking, black kids can't go to Disney World? Just because that's

what the commercial showed us you know it's like and they probably weren't you know thinking that way they were just probably thinking this is the clientele that you know like yeah um but yeah it's just wild it's like especially the things that we see and the things that you know that we see are um you know they can really inspire people you know and and like Jay-Z and like, I love business too. Like, I don't know all of the directions I'm going to go. Like, I have some feature films right now that people are, you know, aiming to buy from me. I have a live show that I'm selling to Vegas that's a crazy-ass show that I think people are going to really enjoy. I just have so many different things.

A lipstick line coming out called Get Lippy. Like, I'm doing lots of stuff. A lot of aspirations. Yeah, I'm doing them. It's not even aspiring. They're happening right now. They're all in motion. And I look to someone like a Jay-Z or a Diddy who they started with the music or if I start with the comedy and then you spiral it out to all these other things.

It's just so fun. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thanks for coming in and talking about us with the video i'm super curious to see how the next one goes yay um and uh she's uh you're so nervous i am i yeah you're nervous about my next video i can tell yeah i wonder if i am a little bit i just i guess i'm stuck somewhere in between like um um, she's definitely brave. Um,

and just how, like what it feels like to have that controversy. Cause I don't feel a comfort. It's for me, it feels so what that feels uncomfortable to me. So for you to be able to wear that, it just is like, it's interesting. So my friend that was in here earlier,

Olivia, I know we're right. Yeah. Olivia, beautiful young lady. I thought as well. So single mother, isn't she? No. Yeah. But, uh, yeah, we'll go with that. Uh, we're wrapping up. Yeah, Olivia. Beautiful young lady, I thought, as well. Single mother, isn't she? No.

Yeah. But, yeah, we'll go with that. I'm her baby. She was in Wonder Woman. And she's in the video, too. And she was in the movie Wonder Woman. She's one of the Amazons. And we were both talking the other day about that scene in Wonder Woman where there's fire going on on this side.

And there's fire going on on that side. And there's, like, the dead zone in the middle that nobody will cross and i'm like ah fuck it i'm taking off my cloak let's go yeah like i i just get that that little moment of okay let's just wonder woman this shit yeah and we'll see do you feel like you have anything to lose or no i think what i have to lose is my self-respect for myself if i don't do what I am inspired to do. I mean, yeah. And if people, yeah, if you don't do what you feel like you can do, if you don't try, then I mean, no matter what it is, you're probably, it's, it just, it probably doesn't

end well for any of us, you know? Yeah. You gotta be brave. Um, yeah, she's viral. Guilty. She is viral. Uh, always. Um, Nicole, thanks so much for coming in and hanging out with us thanks for

having me mister yeah i appreciate it this is random and fun and we'll put all her links um to uh where she said it below uh chris anything else uh no that's it thank you for coming in i appreciate it was nice meeting you nice to meet you too and again i love your beard thank you so much. I appreciate it. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm Jonathan Kite, and welcome to Kite Club, a podcast where I'll be sharing thoughts on things like current events, stand-up stories, and seven ways to pleasure your partner. The answer may shock you.

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