This Past Weekend - Urijah Faber | This Past Weekend #146

Episode Date: November 8, 2018

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He's no longer fighting, but he's got so many things going on in the business world that his career just continues to climb. Today's guest is Mr. Uriah Faber. But no, I've never seen anybody. I mean, that's really just making the most out of things. Bro, when I was in the lobby and whatnot, I tried a napkin. I was trying a couple different things. So you'll really get in there. Well, I just.

Because you just took an Aquafina wrapper off of a bottle. That's it. And then used it because it's thin enough to floss your teeth with. Absolutely. I love that. Yeah. It's effective. It's a genetic thing, I think.

My dad, I remember driving think my dad i remember driving around my dad's old beat-up truck and he always had toothpicks or he had a little crappy toothbrush he'd keep in his center console and he was constantly digging in his things we must have genetic thing kind of genetic teeth gaps that store food it might have been a survival tactic back in the day yeah but yeah useless now right yeah pretty much just to spend money on two on on dental floss do you keep floss around do you are you that you do i do usually or i'll grab if i've been in a restaurant i'll get like a couple you know toothpicks yeah for the day my girl's always making fun of me she's, I've never seen somebody floss their teeth as much as I do. Oh, that's pretty cool. I have to.

She makes fun of me for a couple of things. One is being a mouth breather. And I'm like, I was in 44 professional fights. I've been punched in the nose. Look, I can breathe at all. Yeah, look, I can breathe. And look, yeah, I'm not more damaged than I already am. Yeah, you're like, I'm not a machine breather at this point. And then the dental flossing.

But I just can't handle having a bunch of crap stuck in my teeth yeah now is it because you worry that other people see it or it's just a thing no i just get yeah just get some of my nerves i don't i don't really care right do you feel like it's an unorganized thing like i'm just trying to wonder if it goes back to a place in you that like resonates in other areas of your life you know you're a psych major i don't know i just like to think about you are i think like you know i just think it's kind of fascinating you know because you like you know a lot of guys have you know gone through fighting and been and had an

experience in that world but you like kind of seem to also attack like kind of the business world and like continue to you know just keep whatever your motivation was or maybe to fight i don't know but you keep that motivation just cruising right into whatever the next thing is. So I guess I'm just wondering if organization is one of your skills. Organization is not one of my skills. I think if I take it back, I do remember my mom always saying, she's saying, you're really lucky. You're blessed with good teeth.

You better take care of them. You better take care of all that kind of stuff since I was little. So maybe at some point that stuck in. It just stuck in teeth you better take care of them you better like all that kind of stuff since i was little so maybe at some point that stuck in it just stuck in your dad took care of she also used to tell me if i wore too tight of underwear that my wiener wouldn't grow really which i don't know if that's true or not but i think she's you know i was a guy that likes to keep old shit you know my old shoes they try to get me to get rid of my shoes and my favorite shoes throw them away and is it I go back and get them. Get them. Wow.

Just a comfort thing. This shirt's like nine years old or something like that. So if something works, you stick with it. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Did now when you were fighting and stuff,

did that change in, in your fighting style? Or do you feel like the fighting style that you have when you started was kind of the same? Cause I know you've just kind of, you you know i don't ever want to say somebody's finished from something but finished like a year ago i retired yeah retired retired a year and a half ago um was your style always the same my intensity was always the same but style changes and especially in a sport like ours and like you said i don't know how much you do or don't know about

about the sport i know you love it not super much i'm excited though and i'm i admire the fact like you know i've always been kind of like i guess afraid to defend myself or i grew up that way without like a lot of like you know somebody teaching me how to defend myself or letting me know when it was okay to defend myself or anything like that you know what do you think that comes from so i think it probably just comes from you know we grew up in like kind of a scary area and we just not having like a father you know like a that kind of a overly strong figure my brother moved away so kind of maybe some of that yeah and being just probably afraid you know like um but anyway so i admire that you guys can do that like to me it's

it's like it's fascinating yeah when they when they say that two of the most feared things in human beings, period, is a physical confrontation and public speaking, which you got the public speaking down. Right, that's good. I'm going to stay on this. I'm going to stay on that side of it. Yeah, it's weird to think about that for me,

for 13 years of my life and before that as a wrestler, my day was filled with fighting guys that are also some of the best guys on the planet. So you get rid of that real quick, but it's also something that can be scary. That's why it's probably so intriguing to people. Same with the reason you can get up and be funny and not afraid to introduce yourself. For some people, that's a scary, scary thing. It's very individual. So when you talk about has things changed,

as a fighter, especially when I first started, I was coming from a wrestling background. I wrestled in college at UC Davis, and I had to make ends meet. I was busting tables and coaching kids wrestling and making a couple hundred bucks to win and just having fun with it really and then following my passion. So I definitely have changed as a fighter skill-wise. I got better with things.

But the same mentality is important. You got to just believe in yourself. And people get knocked down on that kind of stuff. Like you may think you're the funniest dude in the world and you get up there and you can't get anybody to laugh and you're like oh crap maybe i'm not the funniest guy maybe that shakes your confidence or else you're just like i am the funniest guy but you know blame it on something these guys aren't they don't understand that wasn't it or i need to hit another i need to practice my jokes better or whatever right you got to keep that mentality that you've got something and then and then change it around so fighting style changed a lot throughout time but same mentality

same mentality is it is is fighting the kind of sport where you're hot where you're most everyone is put is humbled pretty often usually um are those humbling moments there's a ton of humbling moments every day there's humbling moments but you have to be a little bit delusional also i think uh you know you talked about connor mcgregor yeah you got to be a little bit delusional i i don't think you know people like oh because i know him i was on a tv show with the guy i remember seeing that yeah and all that stuff and they're like is he faking it for the this and that i'm like no he he's a he's a funny guy yeah he's a confident guy he's mouthy he's got a little bit of a temper and he really really believes all the stuff he's saying right

you know and i and i've got like he's almost delusional to a point yeah like to a next level delusional of success delusional to a point of success which is you know you got to be that when you look back and see him so like even in in these clips, and he's, you know, in the clips when you guys were on the UFC show, and he's all. Look at that outfit. Yeah, I mean, he shows up. He looks like Pee Wee fucking Herman right now. Oh, it's crazy.

He looks like a pimp on Martha's Vineyard, you know? But do you think that he, like even at this time, he had this kind of bigger vision, or he was just like maniacal, or do you think it was just. Oh, no, I mean, it's just like me or anyone else that's become a world champion on that level. Right. And had this type of success. You envision it. You believe it.

You're thinking it's going to happen and it's just matter of fact like it's going to happen. And he had that from a young age. There's a video of him. Maybe you guys can find it. to happen and he had that from a young age there's a video of him maybe you guys can find it when he's a kid saying i'm gonna be a champion of the world i'm gonna have more money than i know what to do with and he just you know got pimples and and shaved head and uh it's cool to see you know that kind of stuff come true because i had the same visions yeah like yeah and you fought i mean did you fought i mean you were just always fighting. Yeah, 44.5.

I was a world champion at the highest level when I was 20-something years old, and I maintained it for a while. I was the top contender my entire career. Had a lot of title shots. Even when the UFC and the WC merged, so I was the WC and the UFC. the UFC and the WC merged. So I was the WC and the UFC. The UFC owned the WC and all the

lightweight fighters owned the WC. So when they merged, I went to the UFC. I was 32 at the time. I kept going after that title and having title shots. So, you know, 13 years I was in the top three in the world and had a lot of fun doing it. Yeah, that's that clip.

Oh, wow. Oh, that's that clip. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, that's Connor. Yeah. My dream is to be world champion, world lightweight champion in the UFC, have more money than I know what to do with, and have a great life for my kids, my grandkids, everyone in my family, everyone.

That's come up with me. That's my dream. My dream is to be number one, pretty much. My goal is number one in MMA. He just basically spells out what's happening right now. Wow. Which is cool. Did you, like, whenever, so if you start to look at, like, success like that, like, really envisioning it, I think everybody probably has, like, an idea of success. Yeah. Do you think that in your own life that you saw, like, a vision of success? Do you think that success is own life that you saw like a vision of success do you think that success is just something you've constantly constantly seen like come to you through effort like what do you

kind of feel like success is in your life because you've had success not only in fighting but now in business as well that's a great question and i talk about this if i ever give a talk motivational speech or talk to a big company i you know i just basically have a conversation with them and for me and for a lot of the successful people the same common things come up and it's a thinking big process you can work hard you can be smart you can you know get up after you get knocked down and all this stuff that's all important but how big is your vision um and i remember I was working at a wrestling camp in Tahoe. I worked there when I was a freshman in college all the way through into my career as a champion in mixed martial arts and everything else. And I was a freshman or I think a freshman.

No, I was my first year out of college. So this is right after wrestling at Davis. Right after wrestling at Davis. Okay. And I was up there coaching, and I had traded a pair of shorts for this CD that this kid burned me. And I had a cassette tape. I put the cassette tape that hooked up to a ghetto CD player, and I put that CD player in there. And it was this song.

It was going, I'm going to be bigger than Jesus and bigger than wrestling and bigger than the Beatles and bigger than breast implants. I'm going to be the biggest thing to hit these little kids, bigger than guns and bigger than cigarettes. And I just bought a $350 car because I had another $400 car that broke down and I left. What kind of car was it? It was, I think it was a Datsun B310. It had like triangle windows and it beeped when it backed up. That was one of them. I can't remember. And the car was shaking, and I had this little cassette thing with the thing, and I had this CD, and I was just envisioning being on TV.

And I had had two fights in any casinos. I got paid like $500 to show up. But you could feel that fire. You started to feel the fire a little bit. Yeah, I started to feel the fire, and I was just envisioning like, but this is in 2004 when there was no, it wasn't that big that time. Oh, there wasn't even as big of a league? Yeah, there was three fights a year with the UFC.

The lightest weight class was 170 pounds. The biggest name guys were getting paid like 150 grand if they won the whole thing. And what weight were you at at that time? 133 pounds. So you would have to even, you'd have to get up to that weight to even compete. So my first fight was, I was eating everything i could to weigh 149 pounds and that's after i wrestled in college at 133 and so i was that's as big as 149 and uh and then i fought at 155 for my first fight and i fought this big mexican kid do you feel fat when you walked in the ring honestly like obviously

you were in shape but to put on that much weight that's a lot that's like 20 of your body because i was already cutting weight for 33 so we're we're we're put we're cutting down all this weight and then putting it back on 149 you said yeah 149 i was i was eating to do that but i was i was you know ripped i was a specimen at that time especially and and uh and went in and i just remember i got scared i didn't get scared but i got nervous for the first time when i uh saw the casino we drove up on the indian casino because it was illegal in california at the time and i and i remember the hair stand up on my neck stuff you're driving out of country to out of out of the state to do indian casino we Yeah, we're doing it.

It was the only place where it was legal because it's sovereign land. It was actually in California. It wasn't that far from me. But we had to go where they could do whatever the hell they want on the Indian reservation. And I'm getting paid $200 to show up, $200 to win. I sold like 20 tickets. They gave me an extra $50. And I fight this big Mexican guy. He's got pride tattooed on his stomach.

And I remember I pulled up to the casino. Gay pride? No, just regular pride. Yeah, I think it was regular pride. Yeah, I mean, you don't know. But hey, don't knock him if he had gay pride too. No, dude. They used to have this group that came by us.

It was gay fist fighting that would come to the bars in Louisiana. And it was a couple of gay guys that would get in there. I mean, bro, one of them was fucking... Dude, nobody was fighting this dude. You ever see the ladyboys in Thailand? Uh-uh.

Dude, there's a whole trend of every once in a while, like every year or two, a ladyboy just comes up and whoops people's ass. Really? And there's actually a movie about this one ladyboy chick who made it to the Lumpunyao Stadium, which is like the big show, and was fucking dudes up.

But she's all... It's like a super accepted thing over there in Thailand. It's like, oh, are you... They're trying to do it here in America. Make everybody gender neutral and everything else. Like your hair. Yeah, like this hair. But for some sports, I think...

Sometimes it's like, with some of that, it's like, yeah, support everything. Bill Burr the other night was saying they keep making everything also for women, which is fine. Yeah. But some of it is just like, it's not like, he goes, but nobody goes to the WNBA games. He's like, you've had the, nobody goes. Title IX is something that all college athletes know about yeah that's when they decided to make it mandatory that had to be an equal amount of resources going to women and men

yeah and scholarships too i think actually yeah and it screwed everybody it screwed a lot of men's sports it screwed wrestling programs it screwed like other things and so there's little animosity there but it does make sense that you that women should get a chance also. But sometimes it was like the cause of programs going down and then they'd throw in women's rugby and there'd be a couple chicks that are involved. Yeah, and then they got big girls making them get out there just because they're overweight or something or bloated.

I remember one girl had gotten stung by a bunch of bees and they made her get out there. She's like, I'm not even jacked. I just need a couple EpiPens and I'll fucking recover. I'm not playing. We never experienced that. I'm not playing halfback for you guys. That's funny. What if that was part of the regimen?

You had to get stung by bees to be a rugby player. I'd have a little more. I'd go watch that. I'd watch that. But the area area you grew up in davis there's a lot of rugby and stuff up in that area like berkeley davis that's huge rugby country yeah that's a big rugby country and it's funny because i don't know how it is in other countries but for here in the u.s it's kind of a rich kid sport yeah to be honest yeah yeah it's it's offered it like this school because i didn't have a swimming team we didn't have a pool in my little town we didn't have a rugby team we didn't have a water polo we didn't have polo we didn't have anything you know uh it was like the basics and fundamentals so um rugby you get a lot of tough guys in there but they're

usually you know george washington cash yeah george walt like schools like that exactly gw dude i remember they had to do you just reminded me of this they would check for sinkholes because louisiana really isn't supposed to exist you know that's where i'm from really because i mean it's like new orleans is eight feet below oh yeah yeah you know so really it's like people you know trying to like build a universe in the bottom of a teacup you know and then get pissed when t shows up you know when there's a little bit of chamomile on your shoulders and suddenly you're furious it's like what fucking you built down here but they had a dude they had this company would test for sinkholes and they used

to pay kids they'd hook you to a chain put a chain on you put the thing around your waist and have you walk off into fields bro and have just pay you like five bucks an hour and if you fell right through the fucking earth they yank you back yeah they yank you back up wow but then they're like oh this is dangerous land out here you know dude that's funny that's some weird shit that people used to do it was fun yeah i think some of that was just back in in like you know times were a little bit different i mean i'm 38 now so times were a little bit more fun right um yeah that that does sound like fun not not for the kid getting sun cold but for for everybody watching, maybe. Oh, yeah.

And the people betting on it. You know, I went to a – I did a USO tour with Carlos Condit, Michael Bisbing, and BJ Penn in like 2008. Oh, wow. It was badass. We went to Afghanistan. 2008? Two helicopters. And we went to all these different places and whatnot.

Yeah, it was 2008. So there was – we were at like a fence and there was like the civilian people that was living in the desert and there's about six kids that ran up and it was like like a flock of kids they come up and they're like hey hey hey trying to get our attention and this and that what's your name what's your name they're talking to michael bisping and michael business said my name is michael he goes kid goes my name is michael too michael jackson let me get some candy like that and michael's like looking to go throw him some shit everything and then the uh the people were the the military guys like i don't feed the kids and this and that and then guys started telling us back when it was unregulated

that they used to do all sorts of crazy shit. They would tie toys and candy bars and stuff like that to ropes, and kids would go grab them, and they'd yank them and stuff like that. Military guys would? Yeah. Then they all got in trouble because that's meathead shit to do, obviously. But it was weird to see that fucking dynamic where these kids, they'd come up and see visitors, they'd come up and talk, and then a uh a military dude

would show up and they'd like run like it was like a flock of like animals oh wow i was like yeah like uh yeah almost like when the zookeeper is there yeah the zookeeper yeah and when it's just like people watching the animals they come back in they see some sort of something dangerous and flock off and then run back and try to get some candy let me get a pepsi let me get a pepsi i'm michael jackson i'm michael jackson i wonder why they love michael jackson huh i think they and try to get some candy. Let me get a Pepsi. Let me get a Pepsi. I'm Michael Jackson. I'm Michael Jackson. I wonder why they love Michael Jackson, huh? I think they just know Michael Jackson. Yeah.

I mean, he's got to be one of the most famous. What do you think the most famous people on the planet are? Jesus Christ, Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson. Maybe Elvis Presley. Mary, maybe that photo of Mary with like the, or like, you know, where you kind of see the little crossover head.

Maybe. I'm just trying to think of, yeah, like images everybody would see. Muhammad Ali. Muhammad Ali. Yeah. Michael Jackson.

What about Tyson? Tyson up there? Tyson could be up there. I don't know though. I mean, it's a good question. Yeah. For this day and age, if you were to go over to somebody,

Ariana Grande now. The Rock. Yeah. The Rock day and age, if you were to go over to somebody, the Rock. Ariana Grande now. The Rock. Yeah, the Rock. He's in movies all over the world. Ariana Grande. Who else, maybe? I can't tell you what Ariana Grande even looks like. Well, it's probably good.

I think she's only 17. Okay. That's probably why. Yeah, hopefully. I can't either. Yeah, he can't either. So now that you've had a year and a half away from fighting like what are things that you don't miss about it you know that's a great that's a great point

there's a lot of things that you don't miss about it i remember having the same thing with wrestling it's fucking hard dude yeah i mean the wrestling world is a grind Then you get in the mixed martial arts girl world and, and you're basically fighting people every day. So, um, your body gets jacked up. You're cutting weight constantly. You're constantly having to, you know,

nourish injuries and things like that. I don't miss having to do the grind, like forcing yourself to do stuff when you don't want to do it, which some people don't do anyways. Some fighters don't do that. Right. And those aren't the guys that are the top guys. But most guys that are at the highest level

have to do a lot of shit that you don't want to do to accomplish some of the things that you do want out of life. Okay, so stop me. So I want to stop you right there and just say, so when those moments arise where it's like you don't want to do something, what were things that you used or things you did

to do that contrary action? To motivate myself even though I didn't know I didn't want to do it? I mean, just first off, the bigger picture, looking at what I wanted. I wanted to be a world champion or I wanted to have this house where, you know, material things or having the, the family that you want. Right. Um, I just think about the things that motivate me and all the benefits that come to being the, being the best at something.

Yeah. Um, yeah, no, that's a great point. Like if you're laying there and you think, fuck man, my alarm just went off. I don't want to go to the gym. Well, of course you don't want to go to the gym. Right. Right. But do you want to go to the future that has you feeling achieved?

Yeah. Achieved. Do I want to be able to go sit by the ocean in a cool place in Mexico and drink some beers with my chick or my buddies? Right. And not have to be working a regular fucking job? Yes. Right.

Because that might get you over that hump of, yeah, I might not want to go to the gym. It's easy to say I don't want to go to that. Yeah yeah but is it easy to say that i don't want to go to that bigger picture yep and i and that's for me is is the part i enjoyed is you know i like the challenge challenge is great i still for my for my workouts i'm still getting in and competing with the guys that are top dogs right now. Do you still train like you're – I do, but just for jiu-jitsu mostly. I'm trying not to get hit in the head as much.

Yeah. Because that's something that you have to do is you have to get your sparring in and stuff like that. So I do a lot less sparring. Every once in a while I'll spar. That means actually punching or kicking or elbowing or kneeing, that kind of stuff. And I'll do a lot of grappling. Do you go to 10th Planet where Eddie Bravo is? I've never been there.

We just competed against him, though. You did? In quintet. Really? Your gym competed against his? Yeah, my team competed against his team. To be fair, his team was like a purebred team of his guys. And we had some outside guys.

One guy in particular, Gordon Ryan, who's like the best in the world, that we recruited on our team because we didn't have a heavyweight guy. And we won the whole thing. Wow. But they won the one prior to that. So it's kind of a cool little rivalry. I mean, not a fun rivalry. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

I mean, it was a paid gig. It was televised. It's a big organization in Japan, and now it was on the Fight Pass. It was badass, actually. Now, is that that – I know they just had a trade between, who's the fighter? Demetrius Johnson? Yeah. And Ben Askren? Yeah, what do you think about that?

Everybody's talking about that. It's kind of cool. I mean trades, the word trade has never been even muttered in our sport before. Right. So the fact that they're doing that is kind of interesting. 1FC is the biggest

organization outside of the UFC not here in America but because they have so many Asian influences. They're in like hundreds of millions of Asian homes and the UFC hasn't necessarily been able to hit that market. That hasn't been their focus.

They've tapped the international market, but they didn't focus just on that. Okay. It's like, you know, there are specialists, 1FC over there. They cater to a different, you know, a different culture. And so actually Matt Hume,

who is the trainer of Demetrius Johnson, he also runs 1FC. So for that to have happened, it took some involvement with him. I think Demetrius had been a little disenchanted with the UFC throughout the years. He never was a massive draw, even though he's one of the biggest successes in the sport as far as winning. So the opportunity for him to go have a career in the Asian market,

he's like a video game guy. He's like an anime guy. He's a perfect fit. He's like a real quirky, fun guy. It's probably a better fit for him. And I think giving enough pushback on the UFC, they've got their ducks in a row. They're going to have to pay him a lot even though he's not

the champion, too, because he's built himself up to that level. They may not see the give and the get, but it's interesting. Maybe that's going to foster something. That'd be great. Do you think it would be... Are those two leagues... I don't know that much about it.

Are those two leagues... Would it be a thing where every year that they have a fighter that goes against each other for like an overall, like a new belt or something? Has that ever been a thing? I mean, it's a possibility. I would say probably not unless one buys the other, which I don't see happening. I see. But they have in the past i know that dana white went over back in the day when pride was big pride was like the big show in japan it was

bigger than the ufc back in the day and i know dana had taken over chuck liddell as a ufc representative to go fight alistar overeem over in japan so there's been stuff like that you know when you're dealing with individuals that are that have the say you can do whatever the hell you want right that's like negotiating with these guys it's always like well we can't do that it's against policy i'm like dana like this is your company you can do it you can do whatever the hell you fucking want wow you know yeah and it was lorenzo and frank for tita well that's not company policy and and but yet they bend the rules all the time so they bend them could it happen absolutely is this super rare yes and also ben askren is a guy that talked a bunch of shit on dana white back in

the day and kind of got himself banned they said because he was too boring which they say you know because he was a wrestling like a say you know because he was a wrestling like a racing based guy but it was really he talked a ton of shit on dana white dana white on the ufc right it was like you go to your bot your future boss be like you're a fucking idiot yeah you fucking fuck you and your whole family yeah it doesn't help me like hey can i get a job like i know like nick diaz i know has always been like outspoken kind of against things and i think you know sometimes just put him in like a tough spot you know it's put him in tough spot but you know it's like you know i mean he speaks from the heart you know i mean not trying to switch to nick

or get you to talk about that or anything but i just remember being in a conversation with him one time and he was like very outspoken about that sort of thing dude that guy wears it on his sleeve there's no faking it with him and that's also the unpredictability it's like playing uh texas hold'em yeah and you got your cards in the on the middle like my brother you know had a uh little mental illness at one point he was just being unpredictable and uh but he's smart as hell and didn't really care and you don't know these blood he knows how to play the game but he'd do unorthodox shit where he'd like sometimes he'd go all in and sometimes he'd just fold or whatever you don't know what the fuck he's doing like it made him a great poker

it made him a great poker player you don't know what he's doing and that's the diaz brothers yeah like they really are like well fuck you yeah i'm not fighting like then everybody wants to see the fight i'll slap someone in public and then it's fighting like then everybody wants to see if i'll slap someone in public and then it's like oh then everybody wants to see the fight they're like well fuck you we're not we said we're not fighting for the money and then yeah then we'll go nine rounds at a produce section you're like what is yes one of the best fights is when diaz fought uh i forget the guy's name oh my gosh i can't even forget the name they fought and diaz lost the decision even though oh it was frank uh it was riggs joe riggs joe riggs and nick diaz they fought each other in

the ring in like 2006 or something then they both go to the hospital after a close fight that i think riggs got but diaz thought he won then they fight in the hospital in the emergency room one of the best before and after fight stories and do they have the video the hospital in the emergency room one of the best before and after fight stories and do they have the video of them in the emergency room too fighting uh i don't know but there's probably a story if you if you look it up but that's great uh so i think you can see them like talking shit being held back oh yeah you know what's funny is about uh you know or what's it what's unique as you're talking about this when i think about nate diaz i think about him more talking shit than i do fighting when i think about him in my head it's like if somebody's like oh nate diaz the picture that pops me in his head is like almost

yeah him fucking you know yeah like him being him yeah more than it is like a like a memory of a certain fight of his or something yeah it's kind of interesting because other fighters the same thing doesn't happen as much and you know when you think of cowboy you think of a certain fight of his or something. Yeah. It's kind of interesting because other fighters, the same thing doesn't happen as much. Hey, you know, when you think of cowboy, you think of a cowboy hat. When you think of the California kid, you think of blonde hair smiling. Yeah.

When you think of Nick and Nate Diaz, you think of middle fingers and heads up talking shit. So, you know, they're branding. Yeah. Whether they're trying or not, they're doing their thing. Yeah, it's almost pure. Yeah, and it's almost pure branding. Yeah, actually, like, that was one of the first fighter people that I ever met was Nick Diaz. Yeah.

And I was fascinated by him. Well, there's Nick and there's Nate. Yeah. Yeah, the brother was the one I won with. And I know I'm friends with both of them. Yeah. And they're really different. Yeah.

I mean, they come off, they're one as a unit when it's them against the world. Yeah. come off they're they're one as unit when it's them against the world yeah but like as far as like getting to know him like nate is way more mild than nick right he's a little bit more like you know dependable as far as like showing up to places and whatnot yeah and then nick is like a savant like he can tell you about health food he can tell you about jujitsu and he knows fighting like like that's his thing yeah but he's kind of out there sometimes it's kind of a weird dynamic but um they're fascinating brothers man yeah they're fascinating yeah one thing yeah but when you said he wore he wears his heart on his on his sleeve man it's

exactly what i thought about him like i could like one minute he was like the toughest guy and one minute he was also like at the same time kind of um i don't want to say the sweetest guy because i don't mean it like that, but he was the most- Endearing. Endearing, yeah. Emotionally, right there. It was almost fascinating to be around. I've never met anybody really like that.

Yeah, no, it's a good dynamic. I've always been rooting for those guys. Yeah. After talking to him, i rooted for him and almost anybody he knew so much in a weird way yeah they're very endearing um so now that now that you've gotten out of fighting did you start was there a point where you started to like look at business after did you start to like you know do things preemptively i did i definitely was preemptive of the business and it was more out of a means.

If you look back at me from a business standpoint, my first business was top of the line coaching, TLC. I started that when I was a struggling fighter just graduating college. I basically was getting paid a couple hundred bucks to show up,

a couple hundred bucks to win, selling tickets. Is that in Tahoe? Is that the place you're talking about or no that's in sacramento okay sacramento yeah so so i was coaching uc davis wrestling i was an employee for the for the college making seven thousand dollars a year working 10 that's that's that's way below poverty damn dude that's sex trafficking yeah that is less than sex yeah exactly so i'm doing that then i then i'm busting tables uh at at inc which is a little late night place sometimes till four in the morning after wrestling practice i go and i started tlc top line coaching i'm coaching kids at two different schools, cash under the table. And then in the summers, I'm working wrestling camps.

And the wrestling camp I was talking about, making a grand or two doing that. But for me, I graduated college with a great degree. And I'm just like living the fucking dream, dude. I don't have a job. I'm just hustling. I'm working like fucking dream, dude. I don't have a job. I'm just hustling. I'm working 17 hours a day, but I'm skating by and I don't have a job. I see what you're saying.

My apartment's $250 a month. I took a crappy little room in an apartment with two of my buddies from college. You must have had a positive attitude. Oh, from college and um you know you must have a positive attitude during oh yeah that seemed like something you must have had like a real like almost a disposition that you were born with or something because yeah some people would look at that as like fuck i gotta do all this work it seemed like you were looking at it as like oh this is great yeah a hundred percent and you know i i remember and and i talked about before the thinking big

thing like how big are you thinking? The people I've met, I've met billionaires and successful movie stars and musicians and clothing moguls and all these different walks. And that's the positive mental attitude is part of it. And then definite is the purpose, like knowing what you want. Like going after that thing that you want or having your vision for yourself. And all through high school and college, I had a late start in wrestling. And I always write down my goals. And I don't know what it was.

In high school, I would write down my goals. And I always wanted to be an All-American, top eight in the state. That was once I got to be able to think that big but i never wrote down be a state champion i don't know why you know what i mean which is weird it's it's you know no one else in my school had gone to the state but you're skipping a step all-american you're skipping the step of state champion right i i didn't skip that step right i never got that far oh being an all-american is top eight in the nation top eight in the nation state right oh top eight in the nation. Top eight in the nation. Or top eight in the state. Right.

Oh, top eight in the state. And then. And then. State champion is the winner of that. State champion is the winner of that. And I wrote down to be top eight as my biggest goal. It was first to get to this state tournament. It's a big goal.

It's a big goal, but it's not big enough. You know what I mean? Like, because I was working just as hard as the state champions. And I had the gifts of a state champion. I was, you know, I had, I was doing extra extra shit i'd get up in the morning i'd run to school ran like 13 miles to school one day dude they this reminded me they had a guy on who was on um the ufc the fight show that you guys did what was it called ultimate fighter ultimate fighter they had a guy named sam um a long time ago he was like kind of this big, he was from Alaska.

And he went to Louisiana. Sam Hoger. Yeah. When I went to Louisiana State, he was there. And I remember he would, this just made me think of this. He would run across campus with his girlfriend on his back in the morning, bro. And you would see him running across just to stay in shape. And he was the first person I ever met in my whole life.

He was a really sweet guy that talked about UFC and MMA. And when people heard him talk about it, it was almost like listening to somebody that had come from a mountain talking about a rare thing they'd seen in the woods. That's when it was so premature. This was 2002, 2001. Yeah, I went to Sam Hoger's gym years back and had done a seminar for him. But yeah, that's funny.

And it's true. You do these extra little things, and you're a gifted athlete. I was a really gifted athlete. Yeah. And I was raised up healthy. But why did I not put down champion, only top eight? Right. That's weird.

Then I went to college, and I lost to four guys in my state tournament in my high school career. Yeah, and that ain't super great. Three of the guys came to the same college I went to, which is crazy. And then, you know. So you were training. So you were working with champs pretty much every day, really. I was working with champs, but the point was I got there, and when I went there, three of the guys that beat me in high school

and placed better than I did came to the same school, and I set a new set of goals, which is to beat those guys and beat the other guys and this and that on my team. Again, I started low, started low, started low, and I got to a point where I beat out all those guys. I earned myself a scholarship. I beat out all those guys. I earned myself a scholarship. I made it to the national tournament, which was my goal.

And then I wrote a goal to be an All-American, which was top eight. Again, why did I not put number one? Isn't that bizarre? So now looking back then, what is that? Because sometimes I'll think about that kind of stuff. Sometimes it's kind of weird. I'll think about, I want to be great. Right. But then I almost get-

It's scary to say it. Yeah. But it's also, I don't want, this is interesting, because I'm trying to feel this and think about this at the same time. Yeah. If I say that I'm great, I don't't want or if I think that I can be great it's almost like for some weird reason I don't know if I'm ashamed

to say that it's true it happens like I'm trying to think of what that feeling is that would make me you know like admit like what's the fear to admit that fuck I want to be good the fear is this first off

the fear it's a double edged sword if you never say it there's no accountability it's a lot easier not to say something because then no one's going to point and say

ha you fucking you failed damn it's just like my relationships I'm in it's just like I don't want to say like I'm in this for the depth of it

I've been there brother because wow it's crazy it's crazy it's crazy that that commitment level and realizing and that's what I realized after my fight career.

I went in and I beat a guy. I beat two guys that were national champions the next year and all Americans and this and that. And this is in wrestling. This is in wrestling. So when I went to my next phase of life and my next thing I was going to go after, which was unrealistic as fuck.

And now that that's what I'm talking about with thinking big, why the hell would I choose a career? And in mind, this is 2003. It was illegal in California at the time. UFC fighting cage, fighting mixed martial arts. Yeah.

All that legal. It was illegal at the time in the biggest show they only had a weight class of 170 pounds a night and i was 133 pounds and there was only three shows a year right 200 bucks was the prize and and you know what you said in the big period in the big show there's three shows a year at the big event and the biggest prize is 150 grand. And yet here I am graduating college with a degree from a great university and saying, I want to make this my career. How stupid is that? Yeah, it doesn't. Well, here's what I'm then.

Here's my question is, did you think, though, that it was going to be an actual career at that point? Or did it seem like this is just kind of a wild thing that's going on in the world right now? You don't know that it's going to grow. When somebody asks you to come down to the ballpark and play a game of unique six-on-six football or something, you don't know maybe years later it's going to be the NFL. Well, perception is everything. And so, mind you, 2003, $150,000 is still pretty good money. Oh, yeah.

It's great money. Oh, my gosh. That being said, I also got my emergency teaching credential. 2018, that is still extremely good money. Yeah. So I also had my emergency teaching credential. I was going to start substitute teaching for like $11 an hour. Right.

Then I took my first fight, and I beat up this kid in a minute and a half and forget that i had trained all through high school and college as a wrestler yeah in my mind it was a minute and a half of work and i got paid 400 bucks to show up and i got paid 50 bucks i made 450 bucks almost 500 bucks in a minute and a half that's the way i saw that so you're looking at all my buddies there and a bunch of hot chicks and and and i'm the center of attention and i like got my endorphins going i'm like this is fucking it i'm going this route this is it what you know like so is it it's about perception now when you have money in the bank and you're looking at what the hell was i thinking but at the time it's interesting i was going passion all passion and just thinking big you know if there's one thing you know about

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Yeah, the perception thing. And perception is fascinating to me because that's, I mean, it's a thing you talked about a couple times, you know, like looking at the big picture, you know, and just perceiving things like that. Because that's a thing that I even notice in myself, and it's a constant battle, is when I'm in a good mindset

and I'm able to perceive the bigger picture and actually be brave enough to even admit to myself that I want to try and be great. It's scary to be great. And then other moments where I get fallen, yes. Yeah. Yeah, it seems fascinating to be great, but it also just yes something seems well first

off really scary about it is other people keeping you accountable then also you've said it out loud then you also know to be great at anything i don't care what it is it could be you know anything i met some of the best video gamers on the planet and i got to talk to them about what they're doing you know even you you know i i i set it up on your path to where you are now. And it was, you know, a lot of stuff over, you know, 15 years. Uh, and people get discouraged. People get tired of the hard work. Some people can't, can't do that push. And, uh, so when you do that accountability and you say it, then that changes things. And that's what I did when I got out of college.

I realized, so now I'm coaching at the college. Right. And I'm seeing guys that I beat that are All-American and national champions and stuff like that. And I know that I've worked harder than these guys because I'm in the room. So you're realizing you're in their class. I mean, you're realizing that you beat them and these guys are doing well yeah and i'm like why did i not put down the champion thing so i i set my new goals i'm living in my little apartment um bus and tables at inc i'm coaching kids and i'm and i'm coaching wrestling working like 17 18 hours and uh and i

wrote down my goals it was be a world champion at the time it, it was UFC or Pride because those were the two big organizations. I said, own two houses in the next three years. That's hard to do, but the rest of it sounds good. Yeah, and then I said, oh, you think owning two houses is harder than being the world champion? Well, I mean, yeah, these days. This is where we talk about perception.

And then the last one was, own a healthy and successful business this is funny it is funny see what i'm saying about perception right well shit that's easy man it's very easy to be the world champion of the hardest sport in the world but you want to own two houses are you crazy been in la too long dude you've been in la too long i think that's what it is that's it yeah i think at these la prices it would seem a lot more feasible yes come to sacramento we got a spot we'll build this podcast over the gym i love sacramento man uh let's so we have questions that came in from some fans we're not aborting our conversation but i just want to

uh chop some in here and there uh you can put these headphones on actually cool and you'll be able to hear one of the ones that came in. Gang, gang, Rat King, Theo, thank you for taking the video call. Uriah, just as much thank you to you. Hey, by the way, I'm liking Andre Feely. He's got them hands, boy. He's got them relaxed cobras on the end of his fucking arms, his little nubs.

By the way, I'm sorry, anyway, two questions, guys, real quickly. Do you have any books or conditioning tips or anything that you would recommend that I can read and take in for my first fight? I'm trying to get it by mid-January. Thank you in advance as well. Any tips on real estate investing?

You know, anything that you know, you wish you knew when you started getting into your guys' monetary endeavors, you know what I mean? That could go for both of you. I appreciate it. Thank you very much for everything that you guys do. Huge fan again. Gang, gang, baby. Rat King to the day I die.

Damn, bro. Wow. That's your boy. It is my boy. I hope everything's doing okay. No, I'm excited. He's more fired up about my life than I am. Yeah.

But those questions are almost – it's almost crazy. That's the questions that came in because we just stopped right here on real estate. And I know that's part of the world that you're in. Right. And so what were his questions again? One was if you had any real estate investing advice that you wish you had known earlier. Right. And then he said also any good books or things that you should do to prepare for a fight.

And fitness, nutrition type. And he also said what's up to Andre Touchy Feely. Yeah. You'll love andre feely we'll get him on the show at some point he's a unique character is he unique mofo really he's got an outcast and underdogs uh music label and his clothing that guy looks like an outcast and underdog uh oh that's perfect yeah he must be a fan he said that he was yeah he's a fan of his but um there's a lot of good books i mean there's i like napoleon hill um you know he wrote three thinking go rich but he has the also the laws i forget the i forget the rules of success that's what he talks about positive mental attitude and um uh yeah there's oh wow that's him yeah touchy feels it he i just produced a movie and we put feelingely in it.

He kills. I'll show you guys the trailer of this movie. Bangle, what is it? Is that the movie? No. No, it's called Green Fever. It's not out yet. Okay.

Yeah, I got him. I was just in The Rock's movie. You were? Yeah, that was sick. But let me get back to this guy. Okay, yeah, get back to this. So even outside of books, though, what are practices, I think? Because anybody can know a book.

I want to know what you know. I would say for a guy like that, he seems like he's passionate and happy, dude. You got to understand about commitment levels. I talked to – there's Coach Lee Kemp. He has a book. It's called, I think, Winning Gold. He's a three-time world champion. That's a good one.

Anything you can read on Dan Gable, that's another guy who's... Yeah, he was one of the best wrestlers of all time. Both Lee Kemp and Dan Gable were both two of the best wrestlers of all time. And the commitment level these guys had is what set them apart. Just deciding they're going to do something and then just

going after it. So those are two things. And then I would say, you know, you've got to put yourself in uncomfortable positions. Some people hate two things. And then I would say, you know, you got to put yourself in uncomfortable positions. Some people hate to run. I like to run. I mean, I hate to run the way I run because I run until I'm like fatigued in a short period of time. And I would do some hard pushes where your lungs are blown out.

Do five minute rounds as fast as you can for as long as you can. Five minute rounds of what? Running? Three rounds. Yeah. Yeah. Of five. He's probably going to fight three minute rounds. Five minute rounds of what, running? Three rounds, yeah. Yeah. Of five, because he's probably going to fight

three minute rounds. That's that fear running, bro. Or you could give somebody a fucking hatchet in your neighborhood to do this trouble, you know? And fucking run from that dude, bro. Yeah, he'd get that one. If you wanted to get old school with it, you know? Do those hatchet runs.

So those are some of the things you say, like physically, that the guy could do to start to challenge himself. Yeah. And I, and I would say, you know, I just, I just watched a Ted talk when I got over here, look for as many of these motivational things as you can get, because it all ties in together. Like we're talking about, um, you know, you got to believe that you're going to win.

You really got to believe it in your heart. And then, you know, you have to go out there and do it. So, uh, I would say, you know, get on some of these subjects on on on the internet and start you know book on tapes uh stay motivated stay motivated find motivators find motivators and then get yourself out of your comfort zone when it comes to fitness and whatnot when you got into business and stuff did you start to realize like here's one thing that I've learned, like, or started to question and see. That there's things that I'm not good at and to let some of those get help with some of those. Let somebody else do some of those.

Because I come from this thing where it's like I'm afraid to let anything go. Right. You know, like, it's just not my nature. Yeah. Did you have moments where you came to that or did you to that? Or was that always just part of your flow? I've always been pretty good at delegating just because I feel like I'm real self-aware. And I understand my strengths pretty well. And I know some of my weaknesses.

And I'm also not afraid to share in things. Which is sometimes it comes back to bite you. But as a general rule for me it's worked out you know i'm okay to give inclusive give something to someone yeah to help motivate them as long as they're pulling their weight and they're like-minded and i trust them and stuff like that yeah we just gave nick two raises this year so nice yeah that's not bad yeah we asked we told him he can't ask for one for another year. So that was the best part of the second one. Well, that's a good idea.

But the workload keeps increasing, so we may have to talk about that. You give and you get, right? Yeah, there we go. But yeah, so for that, delegating is a big thing. And then on top of that, just like the fight game, you're just always trying to improve. And I've been learning that. I've taken some hard knocks in the business world,

just like in the fight world. Really? It's been having conversations like this. I'm part of something called EO. It's an entrepreneurial organization. I'm like the low man in the totem pole. We meet once a month. There's, I believe, 11 of us in the group,

all from different walks of business. We share information we there's like a gestalt way of of communicating which means we talk about our experiences not like giving advice necessarily you have to like speak from your own experiences oh wow what you've done like oh like i had this happening like oh i had an experience that i can relate to where i was doing this and someone tried to sue me and you have to share your experiences. I learned a lot from other people. Um, but the truth is like, you know, a business is 90% of the time, just a group of people. And I mean, there's products and there's this and there's that, but you have to, you know, work with managing people and be

able to delegate and be realistic what you're, you're good at and what you're not. Have you ever heard of the shoestring millionaire? The guy that made shoestrings? It's not a rapist, is it? I don't think so. Yeah, sorry. We could Google that, though. Sorry.

No offense if anybody's a rapist. Sorry, but no. I don't know what I'm talking about, but I feel like murders and rapists always get some of the craziest nicknames. some of the coolest names yeah that would be a good one millionaire the shoestring millionaire rapist crazy yeah yeah i the whole backstory to that is well it's gonna be great well maybe we'll make a frenemy movie about it you could be the the i'll be the rapist yeah that'd be good i got that yeah i'll be the raping you. That'd be good. I'll be there. It catches you.

I could see that. Yeah. Weird twist at the end. I rape you. And this is where Nick's salary goes up. Because that's where he comes in. I pitch it. Yeah.

So have you found that you enjoy one more than the other, being a businessman or being a fighter? Or do you find that really they were the same thing and you're just doing two different actions? I think it's kind of the same thing as long as you're passionate about both. I've been passionate about the business side of things. And again, I started out my business through necessity. I needed to start coaching kids, TLC. Then I ended up doing alpha male shirts while I was selling tickets and shirts

to raise money when I was fighting. Right, you're already selling a ticket. Let me sell you this shirt as well. Then I started a gym where I brought in a guy that wanted to start a gym. He put up the funds. I put in all the sweat equity. My dad did the construction for a cheap price.

I helped dig holes and build stuff in addition. Then I started a management company before anyone knew who I was. And then it spurred into more and more things and just learning out of necessity how to survive on my own terms. And for me, being a businessman is the same as the fight game.

It just allows me to live the life that I want to live on my terms. When I want to do things, who I want to be with. It's nice, huh? That kind of thing. And that's what I'm always fighting for. And that's what I'm always pushing for

is the ability to do that for the rest of my life. And of course you have to do stuff like we talked about that you don't want to do in order to do the things that you want to do. But you want to try to get those down as minimal as possible over time i feel like joe rogan's a good example of that yeah i mean that's a guy that he loves fucking fighting yeah he loves making people laugh he loves interesting weird shit and like talking about it so curious yeah and do martial arts yeah whatever and that's how he gets paid and time travel i have a feeling he also yeah my time oh i've had low key he has a dude in his warehouse fucking tinkering with clocks right

now there is no doubt time travel one day he's just gonna fucking set a watch he might be your dad what if he already went back and he's your dad what if one day he just shows up with a tattoo of his family on his arm and i'm in one of the pictures um yeah he is a fascinating man one one of the gifts i notice he has is the constant ability to stay curious about things he's curious about everything you know yeah and he genuinely is like it's almost i don't know if that's a gift or something that he nurtured over the years but yeah he has the ability to stay uh curious about everything but also yes he's created a life where that fits the life that he wants right like he doesn't take on like television shows and that kind of shit like yeah they're always throwing that stuff towards him you know um but he's like i'm this is what i want yeah does what he wants yeah and that's that's that's through a lot of

hard work and dedication and probably doing some things he didn't love to do at points here and there and and finding his way i had a conversation with him one time it was about i think he's talked about it where he was talking about you know getting involved in buying our team and we had a conversation this and then i got mad at him for something he said on one of my fights and it was a stupid immature conversation we're having and it was just me and him yeah and at the end of the day he goes man i don't care about money he goes the whole reason he goes i don't do things for money he goes the whole reason i have you have fuck you money so you can say fuck you i don't want to do it which is awesome i like him a lot and he he's been uh he's been uh uh you been a big part of the mixed martial arts world for a long time.

Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. We were just talking about this earlier, that if the world was going to end and everybody was going to listen to one guy, where are we all going to meet up at? I feel like it would be Joe Rogan. Yeah. If Joe Rogan's like, hey, I'll see you guys in Denver in six days. Well, I don't know about that like i would i would say i would count that he wasn't trying to hoax us yeah like say go there and he's really i count that i i trust that he

wouldn't do that but do i know that that i believe that his idea is the best i don't know yeah that's true. Because he gets on some fucking tangents sometimes where I'm like, are you serious? Like, where's this coming from? Yeah. I remember he asked me one time, man, the hardest thing sometimes is to keep up with like what's going on when I go on his podcast. Like, it's hard to like, yeah, he just likes to think. He's like, you think you're the only Theo Vaughn out there?

I'll tell you what, you're not the only Theo though. Yeah. My dad's Theo. Is he really? That's my dad's name. Oh, wow. Theodore Faber. He's first generation American from Holland.

Yeah. It sounds very, that's Dutch. You guys are Dutch? Yeah. Oh, dude, the Dutch, I'll say this, most aerodynamic people in the world, bro. Yeah. Usually. Kind people, really kind people too.

Oh, the decent dutch they call them decent um and very cheap from my understanding really yeah going going dutch that's when you make the chicks pay for pay or share yeah making ladies pay for half of it and they're also the tallest group of people on the planet and i ironically got my short side from my four foot ten uh great great grandmother or great grandmother on the dutch side from my 4'10 great-great-grandmother or great-grandmother on the Dutch side. And my Italian grandfather was nearly 7' tall. Dang. You could still grow, though.

You could still grow. I just got lucky. You never know. I never have to hit my head on anything tall. I'm limber. I'm quick. Yeah, that's true. You can also be Halloween things.

You can be things at Halloween that other people can't be. You know? Jump out of weird stuff. Yeah, tumbleweed. I could hide a pumpkin. You could hide on somebody hide on somebody's yeah you could hide on uh let's go to a call actually actually we have a call i think it's gonna fit you know hey uriah this is noah up here in cleveland i'm huge fans of you both and i have a question for uriah i'm particularly not a very tall guy and i know you're not either and i was just curious if growing up if you ever had like little man syndrome or if your size or stature ever affected you in any way all right gang gang

theo see you right peace all right brother nice guy you know what i uh yeah that's never really i never really had had that and i think it's because i'm delusional yeah you know what i mean i haven't known for that my guys make fun of me and this and that. I think I did a great practice when I got my ass kicked or something like that. But my brother's 5'11", my sister's 5'9". She's hogging inches. Yeah.

You can be 5'6", babe, and help your freaking sibling out. But you didn't ever have it. I didn't really have it, no. And I think it was because I always got treated with a lot of respect. I never really was the guy that got picked on. Yeah. I had the gift of gab.

I also was a good athlete. When I was young, I used to do a lot of, like, I used to do commercials and, like, runway models. Entertainment. That kind of stuff. So I always had a lot of confidence. modern entertainment that kind of stuff so i always had a lot of confidence um but i will say you know i have i have experienced like just other people thinking that way like it would be shocking to me when when when somebody like oh well how is it you know like mention it and i'm like i just it doesn't factor to me i remember i had a training camp

back in 2005 there was tito ortiz randy Couture was out there, Frank Trigg, Quentin Rampage Jackson, James Sandman Irvin, Scott Smith. We got you right here, actually. I'm going to interrupt you. Yeah, all these guys. All these individuals that were there at this event, and Frank Trigg was the smallest one but he's a 70 pounder in the ufc which means he walks in 70 pounds 170 oh he was 170 pounds

i'm like where is that be like your cousin is that guy oh daddy long neck daddy long neck dude he's coming he actually he just hit like 90 pounds but 70 pounds i'm like who's no these i remember all the other guys were big guys right right like heavyweights and light heavyweights and he was a 170 pounder and i told him i said hey bro tomorrow i got a bunch of guys our size coming and remember i was 133 pounds and he goes would you stop saying that you and i are not the same size that's what frank Trigg told me. I'm like, damn, I guess you're right.

And then I'll see pictures and I'll be like, oh, that guy's about my size. Like I thought that with Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy, I'm like, Tom Hardy's about my size and Dan Bilzerian. I'm like, dude, Dan Bilzerian is my size. And then I'll see a picture next to him. I'm like, oh, fuck.

Never mind. This is so crazy because this all is like it's perception man like you your perception is this bigger picture perception even of yourself yeah even even unrealistically like that i mean i i literally i was like dude i met bill zarian this is years ago uh and i'm like dude bill zarian's sure me he And then I told someone, I go, yeah, he's just a little guy. He looks bigger in videos and everything. And then I later took a picture to send to my buddy of me and Dan, and I'm like, oh, wait, never mind.

He's got me. How much different in height is there between the two? Do you know? I can look it up. Probably about four inches. It's kind of fascinating though. Yeah, it's almost like just having that ability, that bigger, but not only having a bigger idea, but having that bigger idea like infiltrate your perception.

Right. So the bigger idea almost, it's not just a thought. It's like this more rounded thing that lives in you. Right. What's the book, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? What's the book they – With Jack Nicholson? With Jack Nicholson.

Yeah, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Yeah, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. And the Indian guy never talks. You remember that? Yeah, yeah. We had to read that book in school. And the Indian guy saw Jack Nicholson's character as so much bigger than he was

just because he had a presence about him. I think maybe I have that going for me. I don't know. There's definitely been moments where I've been in some fights before where you're from different, I mean street fights I'm talking about, where you're from different,

like when I got to college, I come from a small town and I went also been i went to the same elementary school for from kindergarten to sixth grade everybody knows who you are you know there's like there's an awareness of who you are no one really messed with me i wasn't a big fighter growing up but no one would mess with me that's i mean if they would they'd be in a fight probably right didn't happen but you weren't out picking fights you weren fights. You weren't like an asshole kind of kid. No, I was like, you know. Just a person. Yeah, just a nice guy.

We lived in a small town. And I remember getting to college, getting in the bar scene, and everybody has different rules of engagement, too. There's a kid from the rich area in San Fran. There's a guy from the ghetto. There's a guy from the small town. But for me, I'm not used to somebody getting in my face and trying to punk me for no reason. Right.

You know, I got in a couple of great fights with guys that just were playing with different rules and had no clue who the fuck I was. Right, right. Like too little too late, you know? Yeah. In somebody's neighborhood, you can sit right in front of someone and dangle your face and talk shit and like touch noses. In other people's neighborhood, as soon as you step into a certain area, you're getting hit. That's true. It's so interesting.

It's interesting that it's like the mesh pot of people that come together you add alcohol to that yeah and egos and chicks around and whatnot yeah oh my gosh oh that's sec football yeah yeah yeah basically but no that's interesting that the different people have different rules of engagement and also use the term that i've never thought of great fight was a term they used up i can't even imagine putting those two words together so when some of the first time you like if you get hit it doesn't i mean i can imagine at a certain point like if i get hit in my face bro like i would be you know first of all i have a big nose so like that's definitely gonna get hit no matter where they hit me i'm fucking getting grilled in the fucking beak you know no matter but it's like that would

like i feel like just really want make me want to shut down does that kind of go away a little bit were you able to stomach that a little bit more well yeah because you know how to take a punch i mean there's a lot of things to think about but first off pain is is a different thing for you because you've experienced probably i've experienced a lot more pain than you have physically just through my career. The other thing is understanding how to position my body, how to mitigate the actual damage done, whether I'm getting hit hard or barely slipping a punch or whatever. That changes. The ability to be aware of what's actually happening. They say that it's not the punch that you see coming coming it's the one that you don't see coming that's because your brain doesn't know what the

hell is happening when your brain sees it coming and it goes okay i just got hit and it can function that but if you just get hit your body's not as accustomed so i see what you're saying so when i'm more used to that i know how to body use my position. My instincts will allow me to deflect the blow a little bit in the correct way, not just follow instincts that are human, actually train instincts by professionals. And then it's not as big of a deal, right? And I actually know where to hit somebody. Right. If you guys are curious where to hit somebody, if you want to knock them out or hurt them,

you hit them in the chin, in the upper lip, in the jaw right here. You can sometimes do damage if you can get a guy in the temple or the back of the head. But you don't want to hit him around here. This is where you're going to get your hands broken by hitting somebody, which I've done before. And so, you know, that's like, I just had Bradley Martin. Do you know who Bradley Martin is? Do you know him? He's a YouTube guy, fitness guy.

He was on your podcast? He came out and was on our podcast, and he came out to the gym. He's got like 300 million views on YouTube. Wow. He can do some crazy stuff. He's an athlete. He's a 260-pound guy. He's like a real athlete on top of being a bodybuilder,

but he's a real character, too, and a business guy. Fascinating. We're talking about the fitness stuff, and he's like, I think I want to learn how to do this and do that. And he's like, do you think you can beat me up? And I'm like, I mean, there's only one way to find out. Yeah, just guess. That's what I would do.

That's what I would do. And I'm like, like i said you ever train anything is no and then so we had like a little bit of a debate of like well i would just pick you up and i'd slam you down and and elbow you and i'm like all right well i had that experience where i had this conversation with a 300 pound guy before who played football davis we were both washing, washing the courts and, and, and for work on the tennis courts in college. And we're out there and we're talking about this subject. And he said,

I just grab you by your neck and I would just grab you by your neck, pick you up and slam you. And I, and I'm, and I'm division one wrestler at this time. And he's, he's a star football player, like a defensive lineman or offensive lineman.

And this ain't Tom and Jerry either. No, yeah. His name's Eric Trolia. Trolia, if you're out there, what's up, buddy? And so we're out on the courts washing, and I've got my shoes off and my shirt off. I'm just wearing shorts, and he's in there, and he's got his shoes on, whatever. And we're talking. He goes, I go, what makes you think I'm going to let you grab me by the neck and throw me on the ground?

He goes, I'll just grab you by the neck and throw you on the ground. So this culminates into me and him getting into it on the cement. Wow. And he's 300 pounds, and I'm 140 pounds. And I get behind him like this, and he goes, and he does like a barrel roll and I slam my hip and I end up choking the guy out. Wow.

At the end, I mean, I choked him unconscious and made him tap. Yeah. And then my hip was all hurt and we both felt like idiots afterwards and everything else.

But then I was telling Bradley this and he's like, I guarantee you, I can pick you up and slam you within a minute. And I go, I go,

all right. Jesus, like Hanna-Barbera. And he's injured at this time right radley is and so so you guys hit the mat so he's like i can't because i'm injured this now we're gonna do it we're buddies we're gonna do at some point so i'm like well let me just get up and i go let's just feel i want to feel what you feel like like you know grab each other you know move around a little bit this net he's like you get he gets the ice pack off his knee and he stands up and we start grabbing

each other like this. And I did something that set him off. Wow. And he goes in for a double and then he goes in and grabs me and we almost go into the mirror and then he slams me on the ground and squeezes me. And I'm just like like like just chilling at this point and he gets up and goes i want my i want my 5 000 bucks and i go what that wasn't the competition like we were getting up we thought that was it he didn't think that was it but he

was into it he wanted to play was he showing it was he flexing a little trying to show his worth you think we were just we just were having fun and i got him i convinced him to get up so i could like feel him yeah even though he was injured and he said that i set him off by doing something oh yeah and so he went full mode and and i wasn't going full mode at the time and i'm next thing you know i'm slammed on my back this 260 pound dude just like flexing on me it was the funniest thing could you have made him tap at that moment yeah not at that moment no but we're gonna find out that's it we're gonna maybe televise it yeah i was gonna say you gotta live stream that dude it was it was so funny and i go i go bro you just won a race that no one else knew was a race he's like well you set me off and i go what i do he's like you

set me off and i'm like all right whatever whatever do? He's like, you set me off. And I'm like, all right, whatever. Whatever, guy. No, it was hilarious. Dude, after you beat him, I'll beat him, dude. This guy,

I don't know. We have a one minute set where he's going to try to take me down and whatnot. I like that. And we're going to do it. And this guy's impressive, man.

I mean, he can jump. He can do pull-ups. He's flexible, but he's 260 pounds and all. Where does train he has his own gym out here uh that's not that boxing burn is it no it's not boxing his is more about it's something you know weightlifting it's like an 8 000 i think it's pretty close to here i'll get you the information before dude yeah i gotta start getting in shape man i'm starting to feel ashamed of myself yeah i don't like when

theo gets all fired up after we have a fighter and he starts trying to fight me. It's weird because you guys leave. You don't get paid for that. Get that in your contract. You guys leave and it's just me and Nick. Nick was a premature baby. He was born probably six weeks early. You never know what's going to happen. You talked about a hip

injury a few minutes ago. We had Dustin Poirier in the other day, you know. Oh, yeah. And I'm a big fan of Dustin. He's a nice guy, and he just wants to be the champ. He loves to fight. And he took out of the Diaz fight because of hips. He got stem cells put into his hip.

Is that like a normal thing how is that kind of review like veered in the fight world is that the same choice that you think you would make if you know if you're not in top shape do you step back from a fight and wait till you are like that seems to be like a choice that's most likely to be made um yeah depending on how bad your injury i've gone into fight i mean the truth is and dustin knows this you're never going to go into any fight 100 right but there's you you're gonna always have nicks and bruises and maybe little injuries and stuff like that and i've had fights in the past i mean after i lost my first fight in the smaller shows i fought seven times in one year on these little reservations making

a thousand bucks here 500 bucks here you know that was how i was part of how i was making a living at the time and there's more of a necessity necessity. But when there's a lot at stake, you want to give yourself the best chance and the best chance of recovery and everything else. I would say if the injury is bad enough, absolutely step out and try to nourish it back. It's higher stakes now. It's a big deal. Every single fight is the most important one in your life. When you look back on your career, was there a fight uh if you could go back and redo one fight is there one or even a moment in a fight that you get that plays in your head sometimes um

you know even as a comedian i have some moments in my head that like oh man like you know i taped a netflix special that i really didn't like you know just the pieces didn't come together right and uh and i wish i could go back and do that over yeah do you have moments like that yeah quite a few actually yeah and i know you know 44 fights i've had some where you're more inspired than others especially me at a time when i was the pioneer for the lightweight fighters and my name was the biggest in every in in the sport for for my weight class yeah it's like every single fight, I had everything to lose. Everybody wanted to fight me, et cetera.

And it was sometimes hard to get up for these fights that no one knew who it was and everything else. So I've had some lackluster performances at times. And then I've also had some performances where I've had some bad injuries. Like I hit Mike Brown on the top of the head in the first round and I shattered one bone and I snapped the other one in a five-round title fight.

And I remember going back to my corner and telling my trainer who didn't speak any English, hey, my hand's no good, and he told me to shut up, champion, hit me in the heart. And I go and fight five more rounds like that. Third round, I dislocated my thumb. The first fight against Mike Brown, I did like a jumping back fist and overhand right like i mean there's been a lot of moments where like oh man i wish i could do that again

you know yeah a ton of those but at the end of the day it was always max effort was was exhausted and that that's comforting at least yeah yeah do you you know i was talking with dustin about this um about the fact that i was looking at some photos of him after some fights, and I didn't know what fights they were that he'd been in. And I was just – he looked, no matter what, he looked like he'd gone through – it's almost like it seems like to a guy who doesn't fight or can't fight that you go through like a win or lose. It's like you win. Yeah. In a weird way. I've been in a weird way like win or lose just that you test yourself that you test your metal

yeah to that point against another man that that that that is enough of a win in the end that it over it outweighs the actual fact if you win or lose yeah and there's guys who make whole careers like that i think donald serrani clay guida um you know those guys in particular have made careers like that where they're in it and become staples in the sport because every single time they lay it all out there and they put on a great fight and they walk away exciting. Joe Lauzon's another guy like that. Eddie Alvarez, would he be a guy like that?

Eddie Alvarez. Diego Sanchez. Diego Sanchez. another guy like that. Eddie Alvarez, would he be a guy like that? Eddie Alvarez. Diego Sanchez. Diego Sanchez. Those are guys that you know exactly what you're going to get when you watch those

guys fight. They're going to let it all hang out. They're going to get their head blown up. Nick and Nate Diaz. Those guys... There's a lot of scenarios. You can make a case for every fight being like that, but obviously, there's fights that stand out. It's a tough, scenarios i mean you can make a case for every fight being like that but obviously there's fights that stand out i mean it's a tough it's a tough tough way to to make a living once you even made it to the highest level yeah then staying there and then actually getting paid and

then being smart enough not to spend all your money and and do dumb things and go broke i mean there's a lot of different ways you can screw up in this sport. Do you have younger guys reach out to you now since you've had a success after? Not only success in the cage, sorry, but success actually afterwards in business. Do you have young guys that reach out to you now? Yeah, we have a ton of guys, especially on my team. I mean, I have guys that talk to me all the time about business that are peers in the fight game and ask advice and stuff like that um you know i've helped manage guys in the past i help guide people on our team we have a

lot of guys that have have started their own businesses chad mendez for example he has his fins and feathers hunting business um he spends all his time when he's not training to fight as an athlete he spends all his time you know doing awesome hunts which he loves to time when he's not training to fight as an athlete. He spends all his time doing awesome hunts, which he loves to do. And he's created a business around that. Andre Tucci Fili just got him in his first movie that I produced, the Green Fever movie. He could play Machine Gun Kelly in any movie, it looks like. Yeah.

He's got his own music label, and he's got his own clothing industry, his own clothing stuff. Danny Castillo has P220 hot pilates business and we have a lot of guys that have been following in the footsteps and thinking like that yeah yeah do you think that that's um more of a like i like i look at some athletes now like i look at lebron james and it's like he's kind of too much of a business for me he's not it doesn't seem like as much of a basketball player to me. And this is just my perception. I just look at him.

It's like watching something else go on. It's like watching an advertisement sometimes every time I see him touch the ball, whereas some players, it feels like when they get the ball, that's a player with the ball, a basketball player. Do you feel like that as you know the business side of it becomes bigger that it starts to um take away from the fighting side of it um it can i mean sorry i got something my throat it can i mean it just depends yeah it depends on the individual and

um here's a guy con Conor McGregor. I mean, his whiskey company is probably going to be frigging huge. Was it Proper 12? Yeah, Proper 12. I mean, that was just a massive paid advertisement. It really was. For his whiskey company. If you look at guys that have exited, you know, the vitamin water was, what, 50 cents?

Yeah, 50 cents. And then we have, was it Robert Downey Jr.? Not Robert Downey Jr. Who did the- Ciroc was P. Diddy or somebody? Maybe not. what 50 cent yeah 50 cent and then we have uh was it was it robert downey june not robert darren jr who did the rock was p diddy or somebody did he there was uh what's the name the actor who who sold his his alcohol brand uh oh the tequila company whatever it was like a billion dollar oh yeah robert oh no uh the guy he was a doctor in Grey's Anatomy or whatever, I think. Ocean's Eleven. Yeah, that guy. George. No.

Yeah. Fuck. This is the best game. You and me trying to guess something. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. You've been punched a bunch, and I'm just dumb. Yeah.

We can't figure it out. Yeah. What a combination. Who sold the tequila company that made a ton of money? The actor. Actor. George. Clooney.

Clooney. Gang. There you go. Gang, gang. Dude,. Clooney. Gang. There you go. Gang, gang. Dude, that's it. Bro, fighters against people that are like people that have been hit a bunch and then people who are just not that smart trying to guess things. We should do our own trivia show.

It's not a bad show. Oh, you have a podcast too, right? I want to get the name of that out there. Yeah, that's CaliCast. Okay. I was kind of stockpiling some interviews that I've done over the last year. We just recently launched oh sweet and uh we talk about business stuff fighting entertainment i've really been

getting into uh doing the movie stuff lately i was in the rocks movie just a small part uh called rampage okay and then i've got a slate of movies that i've been pushing for you know some producing some in wow um and what's that about? Is it just, do you see, is it a cool business thing? Is it something that you just always been intrigued by? Where does that start? Both? I'm an artist, you know, I'm a martial artist. I, any real estate stuff I've done, and I have to still answer that guy's question about the real estate. I skipped that, um, has been, they're all projects. My dad's a contractor, and he's worked on five different projects for me where I rip a place apart and rebuild it with my vision.

The Dutch are hard workers. Yeah, hard workers, absolutely. And so I like creating things, and I've always kind of been interested in that, and I've been learning the business over the last nine years. My manager, Mark Shulman, he's at Three Arts here. I started learning from him years ago by him trying to get opportunities for me. And I'm like, oh, that's how it works? You don't get funding unless you have something that's worth some cash,

either a director, a producer, or somebody attached. It's all about the script. And then you don't get the uh you know the the distribution you can sell international sales in front of movie before it's even made like there's all this stuff that that you learn and you're like oh there's a real recipe for that like when i started fighting there was no real recipe it was you know indian reservations sell t-shirts do this do that the road hadn't been paved but entertainment you can actually learn it and kind of conquer it

if you understand bankable stars and you understand the distribution and not every movie is going to be a major hit but you can get a base hit off one and build a repertoire of things until you really master things. I've been real close on finishing

a couple of projects. We've worked on stuff that I'd be in and scripts that I've come up with and had other people write. It's just a passion for me. I could see you in what's that movie where they escape from prison a long time ago?

Man of Constant Sorrow. I am a man of constant sorrow. Oh, Brother Where Art Thou. Oh, Brother Where Art Thou. Clooney. That wasn't that old of a movie. Oh, that's George Clooney. That's crazy.

I thought you were thinking of The Great Escape with Clint Eastwood. Is Clint Eastwood in The Great Escape? Or it's the guy, Randy Newman, Paul Newman or it's Paul Newman Paul Newman no Paul Newman's in that's another one he tries to escape

for Cool Hand Luke yeah cool that's my favorite movie Escape from Elk McQueen McQueen is the Great Escape yeah those are all my guys

McQueen Paul Newman Clint Eastwood that's my kind of shit Steve McQueen Jr. is a friend of mine oh is he yeah

really really nice kid Escape from Elk Alcat so you have a film right say you're financing a film and it's like um it's four guys it's like shawshank redemption 2 right four guys are escaping from prison right and they're all former mma fighters who's going to be in there you think the guys right now that are actually acting or just that would be fun? No, it just would be fun you think? Okay, well, Michael Bisping is a smart ass and he's actually a good actor.

And he likes to act. And he's a talented guy. He's a freaking crack up. He's funny. He'd be a good guy to have in there. I'd like probably Nick Diaz would be good for the wild card guy. He might like, you know, he could pop off you could pop off you might have to mess someone up he might be like hey we're going back

into the prison and people are like what yeah he's the quiet guy in the van who doesn't say anything and then all of a sudden goes crazy at the end yeah he'd be a good one so we got four guys that's that's two down why don't we throw why don't we throw brock lessner in there he could he could uh he could be like the alpha male guy and then he'd pop off or he could make someone wear lipsticks and be his girl something like that he could be the pimp

get Brock in there maybe a little guy he'd be a little guy Cody Garbrandt he might be a guy that would be a good look he's got the tattoos all over. That's not the guy with the glasses. That's Colby Covington I'm thinking of, right?

Who's the guy that wears the – Yeah, yeah. He'll put on sunglasses sometimes for promo stuff. Yeah. Colby Garbrandt. Not Colby. Yeah, I never met him. Cody Garbrandt.

Cody Garbrandt, yeah, and I don't want to be disrespectful to him yet. Definitely not if you've seen his pictures. Yeah, Cody's a bad dude. That's awesome. I've seen some of his fights. The first fight I ever saw was when Diaz fought McGregor the second or third time, whatever some of his fights I just the first fight I ever saw was when Diaz fought McGregor the second or third time

whatever the last one that's the first time you ever watched a fight first time I ever watched a fight yeah and then now I've been going back and learning things that's cause you've been

championing notes of the grindstone yeah that's like me somebody just I was out here in LA and somebody just texted me are you going to the

what is it with the Dodgers in it oh the World Series the World Series and I said I didn't know there was a world series going on oh you mean the fights out of that's exactly it i'm like i had no idea i really didn't i didn't know the world series was going on what if there's some things you know what as you say that man i think about like holidays that i sacrificed like fun parties um staying in college even like with my friends. I remember moving out to LA before college was even done. Constant like people's birthday parties, family members, births of sibling, nieces and nephews births.

Just things like that that over the years I've given up because I had to stay and I had to do comedy. Yeah, I think – I mean it's important. I mean here's the fine line. I mean, it's important. I mean, here's, here's the fine line. You know, I've, I've kept some of my friends from like old, old friends, 20, 30 plus years friends, but you don't always get to see them, but you always have that kinship and camaraderie. Um, and then there's people that can come into your life that are brand new that you can also build some great friendships with. Yeah. So for me, it's been like a, a sit, walk, uh, run bike. If somebody wants to, like right now you and I are on the same level, we're sitting here

and walking. If, if I want to continue this conversation with you and you get up and start and you start walking, I got to walk up next to you. And then if you start running and I want to continue that conversation, I got to run up side of you and get on a bike. I got to get on the bike. inside of you and you get on a bike i gotta get on the bike um that that idea right there um it can't take over your world but there's some level of that and then you know hopefully you bring your friends with you right or you take the time or you get to a place where you can make time

to go go go be yeah hang out with them but be really when you're going and you're going and you're going like you got to be traveling with the wolf pack yeah you know you have to yeah it's interesting man it really is like yeah and suddenly the wolf pack you just become like one of the wolves yeah and you don't even it's i don't know it's kind of crazy it's like one day somebody's an idol and the next day they're kind of like an amigo right yeah it's kind of a trip you know they're always a bit of an idol but you know and they're always respected but it of like an amigo. Right. Yeah, it's kind of a trip. You know, they're always a bit of an idol, and they're always respected. But it's like, yeah, it's like crazy.

People that even a year ago were like idols to me are like some of them are like kind of buddies. Yeah, I've been that way. Roy Jones Jr. I used to carry Roy Jones Jr.'s CD. He used to have his CD. He was a rapper? He was a rapper.

But no, his DVD of his fights, his highlights, I would carry that around with me, and I'd watch it all the time. I'd watch it on my computer or whatever else, because I just loved the way he fought. Everybody's at a party right over in the distance at a television, just watching Roy Jones. No, I'd bring it to my fights. I didn't mean I'd bring it with me to the club.

Right, it would just get you, but no, it would get you amped up, right? Get me amped up and then I'd become friends with him. I mean, I was just, before I came here, I was just with Mike Tyson. We were eating Chinese food at his office. You know? And, you know. Wow, that's crazy. Meeting MC Hammer.

MC Hammer was the guy back in the day. He's an amazing guy, isn't he? Vanilla Ice. MC Hammer's an amazing businessman. Yeah, and he's, well well he learned through hard knocks yes talk about a guy that had it all and just had to learn the hard way that you know how to how to be smart he's fascinating i sat next to him on a plane one time and we talked the whole time yeah it was a great conversation you know what they say all the rappers you know mc hammer hammer time and the

pants and everything yeah he seems like the fun loving rapper like almost like a fresh pence kind of guy yeah but they said out of everybody like Hammer would throw down at a drop of a dime. Oh, fight? Yeah, he was like a fighter. Wow. You don't cross the guy, he'd throw down. Hammer time. Yeah.

You never know. That's the way it is with a lot of fighters. You wouldn't know who you should and should not mess with until it's too late sometimes. Yeah, I get even nervous about interviewing guys in you guys' world because it's like, I don't even know that much about it. For me, it's definitely more of a perspective.

It's the thing in my life I'm always afraid to do for myself. So it's fascinating that people can do it, that it's part of their chemical makeup at some point to be able to do that. Yeah, it's a trip. It's a trip. Let's go to a couple more questions, and then we'll wrap it up, man.

This has been awesome. And thank you so much for joining us, bro. Yeah, bro. I had another one. You mentioned how your trainer in that Mike Brown fight, he was like, get out there even though you got a broken hand. And we just saw recently in the Khabib-Connor fight, Duke Rufus told Anthony Pettis not to go out for the third round

because he had a broken hand. Do you think your trainer should have? Obviously, you won, so it worked out. I didn't win. Oh, you didn't win the Mike Brown fight. I didn't win the fight, but it was one of my favorite fights looking back on because people became aware because I started throwing elbows only and i just i i lost both hands i dislocated my thumb on this one and i broke that one and that's like a fight that i go back on and people still ask me i mean that was like

a long time ago people like hey how are your hands i'm like they're fine i had 20 something fights afterwards but they're fine you know but they that's a defining they remember that absolutely there were multiple questions uh you guys touched on at first, but there were multiple questions about that from our listeners too. But do you think the coroner has a responsibility? Do you think they should stop it? Or I don't know. What's the responsibility there?

It's very individual. And Duke Rufus is a good friend of mine. Anthony Pettis is a good friend of mine. And Duke knows Anthony really, really well. So they have their own communication style. Master Tong didn't speak a leaky English, and I could have a whole couple-hour conversation with the guy without speaking the same language.

Wow. Just by I could understand the stuff he was saying and his points and everything. I got some great life lessons from the guy without us speaking the same language, which is crazy because I could get what he was saying, et cetera. He has a good relationship with Anthony. And I think when you have a relationship like that, they know what to do. And I know that Brian Bowles, shortly after I had my experience, he lost his world title because he thought he broke his hand against Dominic Cruz and didn't come out to the thing.

And it's just an individual thing. I just – I didn't think about it at all. I just – I was like – I wasn't telling him, hey, I'm done with the fight. I was letting him know. And he said, shut up. Shut up. It hit me in the heart. Wow.

You champion. So – Damn. And I could have won that fight. I was very close in the fifth round. I had a deep choke in, and I just couldn't hold on. Once you get in that choke, it's like a rodeo on somebody. Yeah, but I also had a broken hand.

Oh, yeah. My hand, like we hit. No pressure. We were standing. We were standing, and I had it like this, and when we hit the ground, it was like crushing my broken hand. Does a choke start to become slippery after a while when you're like, when you have it on someone or when does that become an element of a choke?

Like that depends on the choke, right? There's a lot. You should, you should choke you out. You want to get choked out? I definitely will. Really? Yeah. I don't want to choke anyone out.

We could though. Paige Van Zandt. John Cruz tucked it to me. What's that? John Cruz tucked it into me one time. Oh, I'm not going to be second. I don't take sloppy seconds. Paige Van Zandt let you choke her out?

No, she choked out. She was on a military tour, and she choked out. She's like, okay, just tap when you're ready and put the dude out. She was with Max Holloway on a tour. That's awesome. I used to follow her on Instagram until she got married. I was like, I don't feel like a creep. Let's take a couple more, follow her on Instagram until she got married. Yeah, you're like... Let's take

a couple more, then we're going to get out of here. What up, Theo? This is Cody calling from Michigan. I got a question for Uriah. I was just wondering what he thinks about this fucking Muppet, Logan Paul, thinking that he can fight Sage Northcutt. I just

want to get a little bit of insight, see what kind of fucking joke this is. Thanks, man. Have a good one. That guy should be a promoter, I feel like. He should be a promoter. Is that Dylan Davis? We'll have to have him out on the promotional tour on Sage's side.

Dude, that, ironically, and I hate to, you know, because that guy is obviously on my side that sage would win the fight yeah um logan paul was a high level wrestler a lot of people don't know that he's also a big athletic guy he's 185 pound in high school wow 185 pounder in high school then he took six in the state of ohio which is one of the toughest states. Sage, on the other hand, has been fighting as a career. Logan's been doing the social media influencer thing and everything else. But the mindset, man, that is the most important thing. Sage has it.

Logan has it. Logan would be a big disadvantage, obviously, in the stand-up and everything else. But they always want to see Sage go against wrestlers because he's not from a wrestling background they think that's his weakness etc and logan paul has been boxing for fun against other social media guys and everything else but he believes in himself and i actually know logan paul and i text him after his fight and then i text him when him and Sage started talking crap to each other. And I think it could happen. Yeah.

I could see it happening. I don't think it'll happen in the UFC. Sage is now a free agent. But unless Logan doesn't want to fight him, but I think he believes in himself. I mean, he comes off as a guy that believes in himself. Right. He told me, I'm a skull crusher. Dana said he should be put in jail if he lets Logan Paul fight in the himself. Right. You know, he told me, I'm a skull crusher. Dana said he would, he'd be, you know,

he should be put in jail if he lets Logan Paul fight in the UFC. Yeah. I told Logan that and Logan was like, I'm a skull crusher. Wow.

Dana doesn't know what he's talking about. So he really believes in himself. So he might earn it. He believes in himself. He's only 23. Sage is 21. I was 23, 24

when I started training for fighting with just a wrestling background. Just wrestling. Yeah, and who are we if we knock somebody that believes in themselves? I mean, I know that he has a lot of haters and I appreciate this guy honoring the fact that UFC

is real and it is real and it's a very difficult thing to get to, but the fact that he's got 17 million followers and he really believes in himself and he's willing to put it out there. That's great, and he really believes in himself, and he's willing to put it out there. That's great. If he really is willing to put it out there,

because there's one thing to say it. There's another thing to actually step in the ring with a Sage Northcutt and say, all right, let's throw fisticuffs. But I think it could happen. What do you think the odds would be? What odds would Vegas have? Well, the Vegas odds would start highly in Sage's favor. Logan Paul would talk himself up, and he has 17 million followers.

And odds are changing all the time depending on who's betting what money. So he might be the favorite at the end of it. If he can convince enough people he's going to win. You could be the one to promote that. Yeah, we've been talking a little bit. There you go. convinced enough people he's going to win. You could be the one to promote that. We've been talking a little bit. There you go. I have to talk about everyone in the picture.

I think getting Logan to actually want to fight, saying you want to fight is one thing, actually doing it is another. But you know what's interesting is that it's funny how I could see this. You have one career as a social media influencer, right? And you've had this, you've kind of grown up in this YouTube space and have millions and millions of fans.

And now you want to prove yourself in a different area of your life. We would all go to a skill set. We already have some. already have some you know like if i didn't do stand-up maybe i would try to get into um you know something else that i could you know i would probably i would pick a skill set that i have right and work on that so one of his obviously good skill sets is wrestling and i would say i i don't know logan to this level and i'm sure he's worked very hard to build his following now doing whatever he's been doing yeah pissing people off a lot of times but uh he's been consistent yeah growing up and being wild yeah being wild but i guarantee you if you ask him what what the things he's worked on the hardest on his life have been it's probably most

focused and dedication has probably gone towards wrestling just because i know the wrestling world and i know guys like that that believe in themselves. Yeah. And I know about a state like Ohio, which takes wrestling very, very serious. Yeah. So I think Sage and Logan could happen. Yeah. Wow. I'd watch it. I bet it would start out at 7-1, and I bet it could be even at some point.

Yeah. 7-1, I'd take Logan. Dude. Yeah. But I'll tell you what. And Nick's lost a lot of money gambling. Yeah, that's very comforting. I'm going to call your leader.

But no, it's interesting. Look, it's interesting because where would you go? You've already done something to a height. Yeah. And also, the thing about the world he's in is you have no way of defending yourself from haters. Right. You either like me or I don't,

and there's no, like, well, I mean, I think that's why Logan really enjoyed the process of having that fight because he got to, like, defend himself, really. Because he is just a kid growing up in a world that's really judgmental, and he's done some things that have pissed some people off. But at the end of the day, he's a human being who works really, really hard, who has some talents. Agreed. And he got to go out there,

and it didn't matter what anybody thought. He's going to go punch someone in the face. It's pretty admirable. Yeah, it is admirable. You know what's admirable? Even if you win or lose, it's admirable. Yeah. I think what needs to happen is

that fight needs to happen with Sage and Logan. And Logan, I mentioned this, raising some awareness for a charity. Yeah. That would be a cool thing. Yeah, because you can do it. Yeah, he's going to have so much power. And we could have Theo and D'Elia verse each other on the same card. Yeah.

You guys, what will happen is you guys do it. D'Elia and Logan got into it before. D'Elia and Logan got into it a while back. Did they really? Yeah, they got into just like a Twitter beef or something. Chris D'Elia had the most favorited tweet ever slamming Logan Paul in his response. What did he say? I'd have to bring it up.

We've got to pull that out. Yeah, pull it out. Because you know Chris D'Elia and I are friends from like 14 years ago? No. Yes. No. What was Chris D'Elia like 14 years ago? And Chris D'Elia also lost the Fighter and the Kid's Trap to me by 1% of votes,

but this was absolutely one of the best things ever. I don't know what Chris D'Elia said first, but Logan Paul said, I'm laughing because now I know why your comedy career took a dive. Did it take a dive? No. Okay. It's soaring, right? Yeah, that was part of Chris D'Elia's.

He started off with the wrong premise, and then Chris D'Elia responded, at least when my career dies, you can film it and put it on YouTube. Because he had had the Japanese thing in the forest with the body, right? Which I thought, who cares? But that was a great clap back by Chris. And it blew up. And it blew up. Because I think also people were at that moment where they were also looking to burn him.

And Chris lives in his own universe where he likes to do his own you know it was perfect Chris is too good at that kind of stuff so yeah

but in a real fight though Chris would be in trouble against Logan against Logan yeah but so Chris and I go way back because

there was a TV show pitched in 2004 about my block of houses where I was building my team and dalia was buddies with all the guys that were doing it and they brought him along for like as a comical piece of the director directing thing he was part of the uh like the the unit that was there to film us to create a sizzle reel to go sell and so i met dalia back in the day so great and uh you know their whole crew was just there we had a bunch of chicks around and they were

they were trying to pick off their own chicks at the time and everything else and it was just a bunch of guys that were young yeah they were trying to do something cool that's interesting before anybody knew him i had met his father's father's a producer yeah bill dalia yeah bill dalia and it was bill delia and and some of chris's friends that were kind of going on a reality because they're more you know scripted based and they're trying to do a different different thing and we we ended up pitching a show i didn't get taken up i think the ufc was kind of snuffing us at the time but but chris and i knew each other from that time and i've gone and watched his career grow and yeah he's so

awesome man he's hilarious he's very funny. He's been awesome, man. He's hilarious. He's very funny. You know one thing that he has more than a lot of people is he just has extreme confidence. Yeah. And it really— I think that comes from having a great family. You talked about not wanting to get in a fist fight.

Yeah. Because, hey, maybe your father figure was missing or this or this person took off, whatever. That guy comes from a very stable, was, you know, missing or this, or this person took off, whatever. Like that guy comes from a very stable, like healthy, awesome family. His dad and his brothers and everyone are super cool. He's, he's got like a solid foundation. That's a lot of times where the confidence comes from. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting, man.

Would you let your child fight one day? I'll let my kid do whatever I want. I'm not necessarily going to encourage it. Right. It's not going to like, I'm going to like push them in that direction it's a tough life not even i mean everyone who wrestles like i want my kid to wrestle because it teaches them life skills and this and that i think soccer let's i'll put my kid in soccer you can make a ton of money you can make so much money everyone sees your face yes you know the worst that happens

usually is you do a header and hit the ball or you fake some of those flailing soccer players you could go anywhere in the world and play soccer and be super famous and make a ton of money yeah and and it's healthy you're running all the time yeah you're in the sun the grass soccer yeah for a cali boy to be indoors in a cage all the time that's a really I try to do as much of my training outside as possible I say the training yeah forget about that

is there anything else Nick? we had one from an old friend of Theo's okay hey Theo what's up my man I have a question for Uriah Faber Uriah huge UFC fan here I wanted to know who would be the perfect opponent for you to dust off the gloves

and come back and fight in the UFC? If money wasn't the issue, if it was just strictly who do you want right now in this moment, who would that fighter be for you to get off the couch and fight again? Thank you, buddy. And he sent this in a while ago. I cut it out, but he wished you luck before your Sakurabaaba fight as well he knew all about it that's awesome thank you you know go back and forth there's always the talk of the tj fight i mean he's the current world champion

best in the world and i the reason why i fought was to be the best in the world um you know it has to be one of the champions right it has to be one of the champions, right? It has to be one of the champions that I can make weight. 35 sounds like a lot, uh, a big fight against Connor. Connor's my buddy, but that's how you get really paid. Um, you know, that, that would have been cool. Uh, at this point I've never been like a animosity type of fighter. I'm always like kind of trying to enjoy the process. So for me, it'd be whoever is, is holding the belt at the time.

You want the strap. The strap. But for just joy of going and being able to fight someone and not from an animosity or even for, not even if it was a championship, who's just somebody, and it could be somebody that was- Stylistically? Yeah.

You know, I think it'd be cool to fight a guy like Khabib. Yeah. Yeah, because Khabib's that seems scary a savage beast and i like what he's all about he's all about pushing the pace and and and mental toughness and conditioning and and willpower and that's that was my style always as well i i could push and push and push and i don't mind if i get taken down i've never been ground and pounded and that kind of stuff. So I think that would be fun, a fun challenge because he's proven himself to be the best.

Yeah. And that's so, you know, it's, it's amazing to just even think of like that part of like fighting someone out of admiration almost. Yeah, that's exactly it.

And there's a lot of guys like that. That's my grappling competition. You don't know who Sakuraba is, but Sakuraba and I were inducted in the Hall of Fame, the UFC Hall of Fame at the same time. And he is a legend of the sport. Wow. I had a video, like a cassette tape of him

that was like two hours long, him doing all sorts of crazy stuff. You know who Hoyce Gracie is? Yes. Hoyce Gracie is like the founder founder the first guy to win the the ufc and he was 165 pounds and he fought in a gi they did and he was no soccer rob was known as the gracie killer he he beat like six of them or something like that and submitted a bunch of the guys and so he would do stuff like flying karate chops and like spin around around and try to drop his butt on someone's head.

And he did a special no-time-limit match and let Gracie wear the gi after they had taken all that away. And he basically tried to take his pants off and undress him during the thing. So he has this kind of wild style. He's a character. He almost sounds like one of the Marx Brothers or something. He's hilarious. As well. Yeah.

Is that pretty wild to be inducted in the same time as him? Somebody that you see? Is it interesting because you admire somebody so much, you look at them a certain way, and then you can't really feel yourself right next on a tandem, can you? Right. No. It seems totally different, doesn't it? Yeah.

I'm sitting there watching this guy, and he was a 185-pounder. He was fighting these heavyweight killers and taking out legends and having fun doing it. And then I'm stopping my career and getting acknowledged the same time he is, and yet he was one of the guys that was like, you know, pump me up. And then we got to compete against each other. So we just competed in a grappling match to a draw, eight-minute draw. But that was a lot of fun. Is that the weed thing that they do with matt uh no okay if i if i did the weed thing i would probably be sleeping during the thing if i

were to smoke weed i would smoke a little bit of weed laugh for a couple minutes eat something and fall asleep all about 10 minutes right i'm not a functional guy when it comes they have an underground thing where those guys are like smoking the'll get on the mat and roll. There's a guy, Felony, I know that everybody always mentions. It gets in it. Awesome, man. I appreciate so much of your time, man. We've got to get you on the CaliCast, too. I'd love to come and do it.

Where do you guys tape at? We tape in Sacramento. Yeah. But we'll have you come down there. Maybe you can check out the gym. Do you ever do satellite? This thing's satellite or no? Yeah,

we could take it. Yeah, we're just going to start taking it on the road, doing some gas, like in Washington, DC this year. Maybe we do something like that. You could get some of the other fighters in the gym.

I've got a Sage Northcutt. You could ask him about the Logan Paul. He's a crack up. Is he? I mean, he is the closest thing we have to leave it to Beaver in the UFC, but he's 190 pounds ripped and can like do a backflip and kick you in the chin jesus christ dude if you ever if you ever

if you ever see sage's stuff it's pretty incredible he'll do like a he'll look a backflip and land in the same spot it's really weird that's cool man what a neat camaraderie that you so that you it's like uh a lot of it's about the camaraderie as well. Like the fighting is great, but it seems like there's a ton of camaraderie in these gyms and different groups. Yes. It's pretty impressive. You've got to watch Sage's Nuts. So, yeah, the camaraderie is important because, you know, at the end of the day, you're doing something that's very difficult and very tough.

Now watch this. Watch this slip. Some weird slow motion video, but. He lands in the same spot. That's kind of crazy. That's fascinating, huh? There it is. Oh my God, what?

That's the craziest handshake ever. You talk about exuding good energy. Like he can walk into any gym and he's like, hey, someone could be trying to, you know, talk crap to him. Hey,

that's a good one. Like, it's so funny, man. What's up, Mr. Faber? He calls me Mr. Faber. Does he really?

Yeah, he's aging me way too fast. I'm like, I got kids all over the place now calling me Mr. Faber. I'm like, really, Sage? He's got my neighbor.

I had him when he first moved to Sacramento. I had him live in two houses down with one of my good friends. They had a house in the back. And my buddy Pete is just a regular dude, successful developer guy, and kind of took Sage in. But he does not want to be called Mr. Jeremiah. So he's like, Sage, would you please stop calling me Mr. Jeremiah? And Pete's like, I mean, Sage is like, yeah, okay.

No problem, Mr. Pete. So now we got Mr. Pete t-shirts. And we got, everybody calls him Mr. Pete now. It's pretty good. I love that, man. And that's that prize cul-de-sac where you guys, you have your, it's kind of a whole squad, huh? We had that before.

That was how the team started. Right. You know, since moved on, that was like fraternity living, basically. We had five houses right next to each other and had probably over 50 fighters throughout the years that lived in that little area. Guys like Chad Mendez and T.J. Dillashaw and Lance Palmer. The list goes on of fighters that had lived on that block. Yeah. That's fascinating, man.

Yeah, it's pretty cool. Wow, man. I never gave the real estate advice. Here's my real estate advice. This is it. My real estate advice is this. If you're looking for an investment property, you find the worst house in the best neighborhood, and then you have to really, truly understand what it takes to do something

on a budget. Because it doesn't mean anything if you're getting to buy something for too much, or if you don't know how to budget and fix something up. So do your research, become an expert before you do anything. Don't just buy a house because it sounds cool. Also, don't be afraid to finance and get into debt. That's how I make big moves is not being afraid of debt. Guys like Theo and myself and a lot of people I've met, you'll find a way. I found a way by buying a house when I was making $7,000 a year back before the economy crashed. And I moved in a bunch of my buddies. I started having more success, bought the house next door, bought the house next door, and ended up creating a little real estate portfolio

and you know you also create and I'll comment on that you also create a you're also as you're developing real estate you're developing something inside of yourself whenever you buy something and you put your because it's not you

you're also putting money on the line but you're putting your what you think on the line you're putting yourself on the line you're mortgaging against yourself and the same thing happened to me. A buddy of mine and I split a property. It was a friend that I really, really trusted financially, a good business guy.

We split a property. We got in on about 15 years ago. And we still have it. I still have to do some, you know, landlording stuff every now and then. Right. But we still have it and we'll be able to sell it now for a profit here, you know, 15 years later. it and we'll be able to sell it now for a profit here you know 15 years later uh but it's been but but but also in the years since then i've gotten involved in other projects because then friends start to hear oh he owns something i'm gonna ask him and then you're part of you just become part

of different conversations then that's been kind of interesting right and then and then there's two different ways if you're gonna flip flip is dangerous because it's constantly a cash flow thing if you're gonna flip then you have to really know your numbers, know the market, know how long it's going to take you, know your budget, which I've messed up on plenty of times. If you're going to flip, if you're going to buy, fix up, sell, if you're going to hold, that's a different story. There's a lot more leeway in that. You just have to make sure that the thing cash flows. That means if it's paying for itself or it's making a hundred bucks, that's good because you're playing on the long haul. Yeah. And then commercial real estate is all about the tenants that are in it.

If there's a national tenant, meaning like a big box store, like a, like a dollar tree, it's better than a mom and pop store, like a yogurt land, yogurt land or something like that. So, um, that's a whole nother animal. So so uh you just got to be smart and educate yourself don't just buy a house because it sounds cool yeah and you'll start to meet parents who can do other stuff like i don't know anything about commercial real estate but now i could maybe reach out to uh your eye and ask them if i had some questions you know and so that's another thing you'll start to learn it's like um and people most of the time want to share the advice that they have or suggestions uh and that's one thing that's kind of fascinating is how much people want to give away what

they learn. Yeah, absolutely. People take it, they say everything, you know, all originality is borrowed. And I talk about this in my book, you know, a lot of times people will, they love talking about their knowledge. It's kind of like an honor to say, yeah, I know something I'd like to tell you about it so don't be afraid to ask and

don't be afraid to tell yeah awesome man sage advice sage north cut Uriah Faber I think we covered everything thank you so much

for being here man you got it bro thanks for having me I'm a big fan yeah look dude I'll come up to SAC bro I'll be there

I'll be there probably in the spring okay we'll get you working out too and you you do shows out there. Yeah. You let me know. We'll bring the whole gym out, man. Wow.

We've got a bunch of influencers on that team that would love to. Whenever we have Craig Robinson or Rogan or anybody that comes up, we'll always go support. Dude, that's awesome, man. I want to get choked out by somebody too. Yeah. That'd be cool. Maybe have a girl do that to you. Come on, bro.

Yeah, that'd be good. I mean, if she's cute. Yeah, exactly yeah exactly actually even if she's not bro actually yeah maybe not that cute yeah okay all right we got a little bit of everything okay now i'm just floating on the breeze and i feel i'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found. I can feel it in my bones. But it's going to take a little time for me to set that parking brake And let myself unwind Shine that light on me I'll sit and tell you my story

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