TigerBelly - Rob Lowe stars in RoLowe & LeeLee

Episode Date: August 7, 2024

Actor Rob Lowe joins us for the first time. He calls Double D and sends Bobby into a panic. And we’ve got a special deal for our listeners: Try BlueChew FREE when you use our promo code BELLY at checkout--just pay $5 shipping. That’s www.bluechew.com , promo code BELLY to receive your first month FREE. Visit www.bluechew.com for more details and important safety information, and we thank BlueChew for sponsoring the podcast. Earn points by paying rent right now when you go to www.joinbilt.com/belly That’s www.joinbilt.com/belly  

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If you want to see Bobby ecstatic make sure you subscribe to this channel. Enjoy the show What's the longest you've slept without being sick? Oh, I think I've done, I think when I've done international flights, I think I've slept LA to Australia. The whole time. I think it's pretty much. Whoa, dude. Sober, sober. Yeah.

Sober. Sober. Unassisted, no unisoms. No unisoms. Ooh, there might've been a unisom. Okay, well that's not cheating. But once I'm in, once I'm in that flow state, I can go, I can ride it out.

Oh, deep flow, deep flow. Deep flow, yeah, I can ride it. So. Do you have bedtime rituals? Yeah, I wanna know your bedtime rituals. It depends on if I'm on location or if I'm home, because if I'm home, my wife likes to watch TV. And I like to go to sleep in a crypt.

Like I want it similar. Like the problem we had. Yeah, like in a tomb, I say tomb, he says crypt. I want a tomb. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want a tomb. I want a tomb, I want. So no ambient sound. No nothing.

No nothing, no light. How do you do that? Do you like light, Rob? No. I hate the light. I tape up the, if there's like, you know, like blue lights. I do the fucking same thing. I'm just like Rob Lowe, fuck, holy fuck.

Oh my God. So. Let's be clear. You're not just like Rob Lowe. He is. He is. Let's establish that right now. Let's be fair. That's the rudest thing I've ever heard you ever say. I'm just like Rob Lowe. He is. Let's establish that right now. That's the rudest thing I've ever heard you ever say.

I'm just like Rob Lowe. Exterior, no. All right? The inside. The packaging comes in a different, but the inside, the prize is the same. That was the craziest statement I've ever heard a single human say.

Wait, what? Say what? I'm just like Rob Lowe. Okay. In a roundabout way I am though. I've never heard a single human say. Wait, what? Say what? I'm just like Rob Lowe. Okay! In a roundabout way I am, though. I mean, in general, we share human elements, no? Rob, are you not human? I'm human. Yeah, yeah.

Thank you so much. See? We're all alike on the inside. Yeah. Okay, it's like, anyway, you're making root. In many ways, we share many similarities. And we're gonna get into it in the podcast. And you're wearing both black shirts?

That's not, now you're fucking being, please stop, stop that, okay, yeah. You guys both have eyeballs? All right, so welcome to the podcast. How many episodes is this? Probably over 450. Oh my, I can't believe it. Oh, I think this is yours, right? Yes. I can't believe it. Oh, I think this is yours, right?

Yes. I can't believe it. Anyway, you guys, you know, I grew up watching this guy. But, and Kaleela, no, because you know, her and I used to date. So what are the three shows I keep watching over and over again? Next Gen. Yeah.

West Wing. Yeah. And what's the third one? Oh, X-Files. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. West Wing. Yeah. And what's the third one? Oh, X-Files. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So for the last 15, 20 years, every year I'll go through a whole season of West Wing

and I'll stop, and then next year I'll do Star Trek Next Generation. I like your taste. I do. I love your taste. And then X-Wiles. So I think that the first four seasons of the West Wing are probably one of the best television ever written

and acted, I just think it's fucking incredible. And so, and you know, I mean, I, you know, last night I saw Michael Bay. He came to the club, right? How dumb, I like him, he's a nice guy, but there's not that big of an intimidation thing. And I've seen many people, I've worked with, but for some reason, because, like if I,

it was, if Patrick Stewart was here, I'd be nervous. If David Duchovny was here, I would be nervous. Or Gillian Anderson. Gillian Anderson. You know her? Well, David's one of my best buddies. David texted me today. Let's FaceTime. Freak him out.

Let's FaceTime Double D. No, no, no, no, no. He's getting so nervous. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no. Do not. Bring over.

Rob, no. Rob, no. Rob, no. Oh my God. He's sweating. I don't know what toowe. Oh my God. He's sweating. I don't know what to do. Hey Siri. He's not gonna pick up.

He's not gonna pick up. There's no way he's gonna pick up. Hey Siri, FaceTime David Duchovny. Bobby, walk through your thought process that Rob Lowe. I can't right now, dude. If he's like, you know what I mean? Who's that? Jonathan Frakes from,

I know Jonathan Frakes from Troubich Rack. Yeah, he played Ryker. Don't go to me, go to you. Yeah, go. What's up, homie? I'm sitting here, I'm on a podcast right now, but with one of your great fans. Okay, I'm just saying, David, my name is Bobby. I know you don't know me.

I'm a gigantic fan of yours. I didn't know you because my daughter, we were driving down to LA last year for about two hours and she was playing your podcast with me and I was fucking cracking up. Oh my God, I can't believe it! What is going on today? Anyway, Dave, I'm a huge fan. Hopefully one day I'll be able to meet you and I won't be weird. And it'll be cool.

Thank you. Double D, he was saying his two favorite shows are West Wing and X-Files. So I was like, I gotta get double D and have them take a bow. That's fantastic. And don't podcast yourself out before you get to D, lore. No, I'm saving my best shit for you. Don't you worry. I'm just giving them the dregs here, but when I get on your podcast, I'm gonna throw down, okay? Just give them that bullshit, that normal bullshit Rob Lumschen. Yeah. That's what I'm gonna do. Alright, I love you brother, I'll call you later.

I love you too, thanks for calling, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you! Double D, Double D, Double D. Double D everybody! Double D, Double D, Double D. Double D everybody! Double D everybody. Enough of that bullshit. We're not doing that again. I will literally melt. Hit me with some other ones.

Anyway, I'm not going to tell you anything about what I like anymore, but anyway, that was literally like, it was just too much. I was sweating for you. Me too dude. Don't do that too, dude. Don't do that again, Rob. Okay, Rob, do that. But anyway, that was what a surreal experience

because thank God you didn't know Patrick Stewart. Yeah. Because that would have a hard, do you know him? That one I can't help you. Yes! Sorry, we're out. Fuck you, Rob. You're not that cool.

I can get LeVar Burton for you. Whoa. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and I was a huge, were we dating when this audition happened? And I didn't go in. You didn't go? No, because I had heard that he needs everything word for word on the script, and it was like chunky lines, and I was like, I just just know I can't do it. Word for word?

So on set was he like, was that like that? Oh. What do you mean, oh! So if you're a fan, you'll remember, I wanna say it's maybe episode three, it's the famous teaser, it's all in a one-er, one shot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, it's Bartlett giving a speech,

we all fold in, walk through a lobby, walk through a kitchen, walk downstairs, walk into a basement, limousine drives out, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. And if you had a line that was, if the line was, yes, Mr. President, and you said, yeah, Mr. President, they were throwing it out and going, oh my God. And how could I just say this too? If I was like, 11 pages, right? If I was on page 10 and I had, yes, Mr. President. At the end.

At the end, right? I've been there. You have? All right, right? I've been there. You have? All right, so what I'd be doing is I'd be like in a complete and utter panic mode. Yeah. Well, if I heard action and then like three minutes,

because you know, it's probably take a couple minutes to get up there. Get to you, yes. Yeah, right. And I would just be like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I would take repeating the word, right? And I know for a fact, right? If once my line came out, I would go, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I would take repeating the word, right? And I know for a fact, right? Once my line came out, I would go,

hello, Mr. Putin, oh fuck! No! No! I pulled a Biden! I did a Biden, you know what I mean? It would have fucked me up. So, and then would you say, let's say you fucked up on a line before?

Oh yeah, so when we would do those, we called them the walk-in talks, when we would do them in the the White House set, sometimes we would walk in circles because you could never take, what we learned was if the characters walked past the Oval Office door on their way to the Oval Office, nobody noticed. So we could make our set look bigger by circling and then going into the door. Oh. So sometimes you would sit there and you'd hear them coming down the hall,

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then they'd get quiet and they'd walk away. And here they come again, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and now you've got to walk out like the second time. Whoa, so you had to time that out. That was super gnarly. Oh, that's so gnarly. Yeah, you don't want to be the person entering.

Which, but would you, would you say I'm sorry after you fucked up or no? You get to time that up. That was super gnarly. Oh, that's so gnarly. Yeah, you don't wanna be the person entering. Which, but would you, would you say I'm sorry after you fucked up or no? Yeah, for sure. I mean, usually what happened is you didn't know you'd screwed it, because nobody would ever screw up big time. But it was honestly really, really small stuff,

like the difference between mmm mm, and ah, like that specific. Yeah. And so they had a, um, that's why I, that's why I knew this about them. That's why there's no way I'm going to go in there. Yeah. It's somebody whose job not there's always a script supervisor. Yeah. Supervised dialogue. I've been on sets before. I was a script supervisor. I was the supervisor, the dialogue.

I think, first of all, Rob, I've been on sets before. Don't talk to me like that. I'm the audience, I know. That was insane and out of pocket, okay? So we used a camera, Rob. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what a jib is. I know all the things, all right? Oh, he's a jibist.

I love that. Nice guy going on. So anyway, script supervisor. We had someone in addition whose job was just, just to make sure we said everything right. That was the- Which you had just, not just the script supervisor, but you had somebody that's like, say it word for word guy.

Yep. Was he always on set? Uh, she was always on set. Aaron, Aaron, Aaron, Sokert, Mr. Torken. Oh, no, no. Oh, well that's- But he would definitely come down, for sure. I mean, I've worked on shows where you never, like I just did a Ryan Murphy show, in five

years I never saw Ryan Murphy. Wow. Don't you love that or no? You like it or no? Yeah, I have mixed feelings about it. He's got a lot of stuff he's doing. But Aaron would come, I think you probably saw him at least once a day.

You know, he'd come down for a scene or two and a lot of times he would come down for rehearsals. Wow, oh I see. And then leave. But those long, uncut scenes, how long would that take to rehearse? That one we rehearsed all day until lunch, so that's what, that's...

Like 6 a.m. call. That's five, we rehearsed that for about five hours. Wow. Including setting it up. Wow, yeah, yeah,ed that for about five hours. Wow. Including setting it up. Wow, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we went to lunch and then shot it for the rest of the day and then went into, you know, shot lots of overtime.

I think we finally wrapped at like 1.30 in the morning. We did 35 takes. Oh, that one scene. 35 takes and only three of them were completed takes and we never went okay we got it we just ran out of time oh and they just chose one oh they just chose one also that's sometimes you know he doesn't get it exactly the way he wants it and he just accepts it that time that time when I don't know if we ever got it exactly perfect but it's great it's a great

West Wing moment is he a screamer? No, God. No, he's great. How do you deal with screamers? Um, I don't know. I'm trying to think of how I had well there's screamers and there's just people just loud like yeah screaming He's like, how dare you? What are you? Never had a director like that. Not that I can remember but I but you never had Peter Weller then Peter Weller He's making up for those I remember. Oh. But I- Well, you never had Peter Weller then. Peter Weller? The robot? Was his director for- Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's making up for the old type.

When he talked like this, for his most famous role. Yeah. He decided when I'm a director, I'm gonna be like this! Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly, that's what I thought I was gonna get. But he's a screamer.

No way. Yeah, like, Memorizer lines! Amazing. Right, and I'm like, I have two lines, you know what I mean? That's good. I don't like screamers. No, that's not helpful.

There he is. Oh my God. And see that photo too, I was like. Did you guys look like a indie band? Peter Willard. Like you guys are like, what are you, Daft Punk without your fucking robot hats on? Without the mask, that's Daft Punk revealed. That's Daft Punk without your fucking robot hats on? Yeah, without the mask.

That's Daft Punk revealed. That's Daft Punk. Yeah, yeah, I mean we get probably three fans that group right there. So I was trying to get away from him, right? Get away. So I was like, no, so I was trying to get away. I was like, I'm gonna have a cigarette between cameras.

He comes out and just sits next to me and starts talking to me. Oh, he's got a Stogey. I like that. And he's one of those white dudes, and I'll tell you, and starts talking to me. Oh, he's got a stogie. He's got a stogie. And he's one of those white dudes. And I'll tell you, and you're not one. I want to hear all about white dudes. Well, it's just my point of view.

I really do. Nobody talks about white dudes. They don't. They don't talk about everybody but white dudes. I don't know. I know, but I'm just saying that you're like, because you've been white for a long time, right? For a long time.

For a long, long time, right? That maybe you don't know the differences, but as a small little Korean man, when I have my own point of view and my perspective. Yes, of course. So he's one of those old school, see, old school white dudes like that, they don't know how to start a conversation

without going to race first. Oh, that's amazing. Right? That's amazing. Right? That's amazing. This is hilarious. Like, what, give me. He'll go, yeah, so that time I lived in Thailand. And you're like, and then you always have to go, no.

You know, I like kimchi. Yeah, yeah, exactly what it is. I don't think it's so bad. Yeah, yeah. I was on a flight once and this old man. I flew here to Korea. That's what I mean, that's what, yeah. I was on a flight once and a white man comes up,

he sits next to me, he was like 80 years old. And he was like, you know what I mean, like he looked like he was from the South. And he wanted to start a conversation and he looks at me and it was like a one minute stare because he was trying to think of something and he goes, my granddadder loves that Hello Kitty. And I remember going,

I wanna say, hey bitch, I didn't invent it. You know what I mean? It's like, I'm not, you know what I mean? Mr. Kitty. Mr. Kitty. Yeah, yeah. And then when they start that way, you don't know where to go.

You know what I mean? Well, I wanted to go, I love baseball. My dad loves baseballs. I mean, so it's like, then you have to go into this hello kidder conversation like, yeah, I think this rich is a very likable creature. I mean, the plushie, and I don't know what to fucking say, you know what I mean? But it's like, so anyway, he was one of those about Thailand. He's a nice man.

Anyway, let's move on. So you never had a screamer is what you're saying. I don't think so. Yeah. I mean, but you've been a, and I hate to be uncomfortable about it, but. ["Sexy Girl"] Bluechew.

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realm for six decades. Well hold on my. 52. So five decades. Yeah five decades you've been and so it's like I mean what mean, was there ever a time where you weren't famous? Yeah, I got my first taste of it when I start on a network's sitcom when I was 15. And I remember the difference, it was in front of a live audience, I remember the difference,

because we'd come out and be introduced to the audience before we shot, and there was that version, and then there was the version the week after we aired the first episode. Wow. And it was like, wah! And I was like, oh, I'm famous now.

So back then, television could do that. Overnight, okay, check it out. It was the lowest rated show on network television. What was it called? A New Kind of Family. Doesn't that sound riveting? Wow, wow. Doesn't that sound like something you wanna tune into?

No, I do not wanna watch. I don't like the New Kind of anything. New Mutants, I don't like any of it. No. Yeah, but. But it was literally the lowest rated show on TV. It was opposite, 60 Minutes. Yeah.

And we still probably had 14 million people watch. Oh my God. It's the hottest show now, probably doesn't even get that. No, God no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No. That's, where is it? How about that hair?

What is going on? Oh, there you are. What is going on with the wings? Like, what is happening? Who's your mom? That's Eileen Brennan, hot off Private Benjamin. Wow. Are any of these people working?

I mean, I'm pretty sure they're probably stars. Anybody? So the other woman is Chris Pine's mom. What? Wow. Wow, wow, wow, wow. And let's see, the dog still works apparently. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow.

Incredible. By the way, dog was not in the show. Are you sure? No, he was not in the show. Promotional shot? It's proportional though. Nope. How long did it go for?

13 episodes. And so the conceit was two divorces share the same house with their young families very ahead of its time. That was groundbreaking in those days. Oh yeah, it is groundbreaking, yeah. And it bombed horribly. And they shut us down for a week,

and the fix was that family on the left was replaced with an African American family, and they never told the viewers why this new family was in the house. Are you fucking kidding me? No, I'm not kidding at all. It takes one episode. We're moving out. Okay. Nothing. Welcome. And we never acknowledged it and the young daughter was played by a young actress who later went on to have a music career named Janet Jackson. Whoa.

Wow, never heard of her. Yeah, she did okay. Interesting. No, oh wow, that's like, was she, how old was she then? 13 or 14? Wow. Was she nice?

More or less. She was great. Oh, she was amazing. She was so sweet. Whenever I see her, we look at each other like, was that a fever dream? Did we, we did that show together, right? She's like, yes, we did.

It's worth it. Wow, you still, wow, that's incredible. And so from then, you've been kind of in the public limelight, I guess. Well, I had my, so I'm 15 there. And then when you're 16, 17, 18 in the business, they hire 18 or 19 year olds to play those ages because of child labor laws.

So I aged into a point in my career right after that where I didn't get anything. Like I thought it was over. Wow. I thought I was gonna have to be a Marine biologist. Wow. So you went to high school and everything, like regular school?

Yeah, and it like kinda ended after that. I did a couple couple after school specials, and I did a bad pilot with Ron Howard. Whoa. That didn't go anywhere, but nothing happened. And then I turned 18 when you can work as an adult, and got my first job as an 18-year-old, and that was the Outsiders.

And that was that. OK, so I want to talk about that in a second, because I just got goosebumps But I wanted to ask you this because I do are you are you a comfortable talking about sobriety? Of course, okay, you know, I'm sorry. Do you know that I didn't I wait no congrats, baby. I love that, baby I just don't want to do what he does. You know me I know me but um, yeah I've been so I've been I had 13 years of sorority at one point. That's awesome.

17 years, but you know, all program related. I was a hardcore 12 step guy. And now I have over two and a half years. I started my own meeting. I'm very active now, but so you do 12 steps. I do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I want wanna ask you, when did your alcoholism come into rear its ugly head? I think you're born with it. So, cause I know-

That's interesting, okay. Okay, I'll tell you why. Because one of my first memories is my dad. I'm little enough that I can be in my dad's arms. So that's how young this is. And he's drinking a beer. And I go, and I ask to have some of it. And he gave me a sip.

He goes, oh, I'm sure he's like, oh, isn't that cute? And I remember going, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Wow. And then vomiting. Wow. So like, I think a normal person, A, might not have asked for it, and B, would have,

I was like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Well, most people would have been like, oh gross, because it hasn't really, you know, I mean. Well, I didn't like it, I threw up. Oh, okay, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, but yeah, I think you're kind of, I honestly think you're kind of born with a predisposition to it and then it's a lot of like whatever you're going

through in your life can like ignite it. Because there's a theory that maybe it's not a genetic thing and that maybe trauma and all those things can like kind of, you know what I mean? I can be both. You can be both? But I'm inclined to believe that. I do too because my dad's one. No, I'm not.

That's a whisper on the mic. We're doing a podcast. My dad's one, right? And you know, there's generations of them. Yes. So in my mind I'm like, I think it's just, I just carried on the tradition, you know what I mean? Yeah, my son, and I'm not speaking out of school

because my son's very open about it. I have one son, completely normal, another son who's got seven years in sobriety. Wow, wow, wow. Is that the son that you're doing the TV show with? That is. Because you know us alcoholics, man, we know how to make fucking television.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We do, we really do. So, but like how to make fucking television. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We do. We really do. So, but like during the outsiders and all that stuff, was that, were you drinking a lot then? Bro, this is how different the business was in those days. Oh, I love it, I love it, I love it. Again, this is a studio movie. Like, you know, Warner Brothers Studio.

First of all, there was always someone you could buy blow from on set. Oh my god, what a great thing. They don't have that at craft service anymore. That was usually prop. Licorice and stuff. Usually prop department. Prop department, sometimes camera, sometimes the AD staff. But for sure, one of that department was selling coke, always in those days. Tommy Howell, played Pony Boy, was 15. I had just turned 18.

Can you not call people like Double D or Tommy Howell? These are little side things that you have with these people, but I'm a lay person. I'll only go for their IMDB. Yeah, yeah, yeah. IMDB names from now on. So we're- Pat-ass. You know what I mean?

It's like, what? Patty, Buddy. Buddy. Buddy. That's right, Buddy. Buddy. Buddy Swayze. Did you call him Buddy Swayze?

His name was, and by the way, I refused. I thought it was like you. He was Buddy to everybody. Did you call him Buddy? I couldn't bring myself to do it. What'd you call him? Patrick. Okay.

But no, his name, but hey, call me buddy. Really? Hey, call me buddy. I'll be like, yeah, okay, buddy. Yeah, yeah, okay. So we're teenagers, and at rap every day, the Teamsters gave us six packs of beer. Oh, wow.

Wow. We're not anywhere near 21. Wow. So when you say, were we drinking? Yeah. And there's no like network person, or not network, but like, network but like anybody from a studio that was like, hey son, you know what I mean?

All that stuff is. Shouldn't you be rehearsing? That stuff is, that was not happening in those days. Because I saw a clip once, it was Richard Pryor on a set and I think he was smoking crack. That's amazing, on the set. On set. Openly?

Yeah, it was either weed or something, but it wasn't like a cigar or like a pipe. Contraption of some sort. Yeah, you were doing, right? And I was like, wow, that's interesting. You know what I mean? Like I would be so nervous on a set that, so when I relapsed the last time,

I'll tell you what happened to me. On a Saturday, I was drinking 24 hours a day. But first of all, wait, here's what I wanna ask you. Okay. Everybody I know, and you had at one point 17 years? Yeah. Okay. So I'm fascinated with people who go out after 17 years, 10 years, five years.

Yeah. And I wanna know what the thinking was behind it, because I've had, and I know a lot of people do, and it's always the same from my perspective. It's like, you know, man, I got sober when I was 20 and you know, everybody experiments when they're 20. It was like, it's like, I, I, I, and I've learned so much and look,

I'm not going to go back and do any more blow or anything, or I'm not going to like get drunk and fucked up or anything, but like, I know what it is now and like, if I wanna have a glass of wine with my wife, I wanna be able to do that. I had a friend tell me, and like I'm gonna shoot a movie in France and I just wanna have a glass of wine.

Within six months, he had bitten a cop in the face. Yeah, that's what happened. It goes down fast. Yes, it does. I mean, for me, 17 years sobriety, and then like, you know, I had a friend that knocked on a hotel room and I answered it, and I was from head to toe with poo. You know what I mean? And I go, hey man, what's going on? You know what I mean, it was insane.

You know what I mean, so that's what, I get the cop fighting thing, you know, but. I didn't think that could be topped, but you did. Yeah, so I'm gonna tell you what happens. And this is, because I've really relapsed a couple of times. It's always when, for years, you stop going to meetings. You stop calling people, you know what I mean? I mean?

I mean, that's for me been my story of like, because you know, things, when you get sober, your life gets better, right? It's obviously better, right? You get all the relationships back. By the way, there are plenty of people that aren't sure about that. We know that to be true.

Yeah, yeah. I don't wanna point out what he just said. When you get sober, your life gets better. Yeah. What do you mean. Not in doubt. No, you- But there are people out there that- Wait, what people?

There are people, I mean, who are like, I don't know. Oh, in the world. In the world. That are probably drinking right now in their disease. Yes. Well, let me just say this. I literally wouldn't be doing it if I didn't visually see other people's lives get better.

I'm more of a like, it's like I saw Long Legs Saturday because people said Long Legs was good. Did you like it? I'll talk about it later. But it's like, you know what I mean? My point being is that I have to hear, you know what I mean, things are good for me to go, okay, I'll try it, you know what I mean?

So as a kid, I saw literally homeless men turn their lives around and then years later they have a family. As a kid, I saw literally homeless men turn their lives around, and then years later they have a family. And then I was just kind of going, oh shit, this is like a miracle. Yeah, it is. So anyway, yeah, but I stopped going to meetings, I stopped calling people,

and then what happens is, there needs to be something tragic that happens. For me, some people relapse when things are good. For me, it's like my trigger was when my dad died. And that was just the thing that I went, okay, I can now go out. You know what I mean? This is good enough.

But you were well on your way there, I think. The dad dying was just the kind of thing. The catalyst. That's the thing. You've slipped before you actually slip. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm a big proponent. Yep, proponent.

See, I couldn't do an Aaron Sorkin thing. That would have been it. Yeah, proponent. Proponent is 101. Proponent, proponent. That's who I, yeah, there's no way. I'm having a panic attack. Like I'm actually on set on an Aaron Sorkin thing. There's no's who I yeah, there's no way I'm having a panic at like I'm actually on set on an errand So good thing. There's no way I would say I'd quit. I just be like, yeah, I'm out get somebody else

How are you with names and military insignias and numbers? Cuz that's what Aaron used to do that to me a while used to do to me on purpose. Yeah He good. It's a private private John Smithson K Wilson, Lieutenant Colonel 3rd Class JG, like that kind of like. Oh, fuck it! I'm out! Oh my God, I would be so, you know what I would go, I'd go, no, just change the characters to the things I'm saying.

You know what I mean? That's what I would say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody knows these people, they're not real. They're not real. Let me make up the name. Oh, he wouldn't let you do it? No. Why? Well, also you have to clear the name, that's perfect. Oh yeah, real. Let me make up the name. Oh, he wouldn't let you do it? No.

Why? Well, also you have to clear the name. That's part of it. Oh yeah, yeah, you have to clear the name. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, he used to murder me with names, military insignias, and numbers. So my friend Gene Hong was the producer on Magnum PI.

He was one of the writers. And I did like 11 episodes of that. And he would literally purposely make tongue twisters so he can see me fail on set. You know what I mean? I know Bobby can't say these two words. Red leather, yellow leather. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Why is it red leather, yellow leather? Yeah, so I would do that extra red leather, yellow leather. But sometimes it works red leather, yellow leather. When you do miming in the back around, right, on a scene, do you see watermelon all over? What do you just do? Damn, that's good. Dude, you're born, you're wow, wow.

I'm not good at it. I need to say an actual word. I have to go. I just move my mouth. Oh, wow. You know what drives me crazy? When people whisper in the background, and they're supposed to be in the background

and be doing that, but instead they're going, I'm supposed to be together. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or when you get pinned up with a background person, you used to call them extras. Yeah, can't say that anymore. Right, and then they actually start trying to develop like a scene with you, and I wanna go,

oh, no oh no no no sweetie I'm never gonna see your guy I don't know what they but you know you say watermelon over there's great footage of Stanley Kubrick directing background artists in the shining on YouTube it's fantastic it's one of the big ballroom scenes all right, right, right, right, right. And God love them, backroom actors like to act. I get it. So, you know, there's a lot of, you go to a restaurant, you don't, you know, no one's doing this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. They're, they're doing this.

Yeah. So Kubrick was like, don't talk talk don't move your bodies Don't do anything Wow, and it looks great No, wait wait so in in the if they're that there are the scenes where Jack Nicholson goes in the ballroom and people are dancing No where people are like sitting. Yeah sitting sitting and eating the dancers can move. They actually can move. Okay. Okay Right, but they're not going. Oh, that's right. That's right. That's right But if I if I yeah if I look at that movie, will I be able to see people just not doing anything?

Yeah, they'll be like this. Oh, that's normal, or no? I don't think that's normal. Yes, it's normal. I guess it is, yeah, because you are, yeah, it is normal, yeah. Not for me, but yeah. Not for him.

Yeah, yeah, I'm up and about, running around, you know what I mean? But wow. You don't have to name names, but have you ever had a movie you did that you were like, I hate this? Yes, and here's what I've- I've had.

I've had. I've had. I've had. Like a long job or whatever. Yeah. Okay, wow. But I've also, I'm a music fan, right? So I don't wanna hear

Bruce Springsteen talk about the one album he thought he made that sucks. Because it might be my favorite album. Right, like Nebraska. Well that would be it. Nebraska is a great album. I don't love it. Oh really? You don't love it? I don't love it. What's the darker on the side of town? What don't love it? I don't love it. I don't really like it. I don't love it. What's the darker side of town? What's that one called? Oh, that's the best, Darkness on the Edge of Town. The Darkness of the Edge of Town. That's the best album.

That masterpiece. It's a masterpiece. I can't say it's too long to memorize, but I like that one. It's a masterpiece. Born to Run, Born to Run. Yeah, I mean, all of them are great. Why don't you like Nebraska?

Is it because it was Andrew McCarthy's favorite album? Is that why I'm here? Are you guys friends? He'll love that. We're friends. That was really quick. So yeah, there are things that I... Well, the one thing I did get frustrated on,

I did a series called Brothers and Sisters and with Calista Flockhart and I had a really good time, but I was playing a guy running for president and he was this high powered sort of, the show was pitched to me as like, it's gonna be like if the American president happened and that character fell in love with a regular family. What would that look like?

It's an interesting premise. And it was really good. And we did, I think, two seasons that were really good that I was very, very proud of. Yeah, so this is after West Wing. Yes. Okay, okay. And then the network decided they didn't wanna do any political stories at all under any circumstances.

Why? Who knows? That's insane. Particularly because I'm playing the president. Somebody who's running for president and is a Senator. Yeah. So literally overnight, literally I'm talking about overnight. It went from debate prep and meeting with the Russian, uh, KGB, uh, agent, then coming home to my wife and whisking her to a beautiful dinner to me with oven mitts.

Oh! Like cooking pies with Sally Field. And no one would call and go, um, you know, and none of those things would happen. No, none of that good stuff. I literally just became like- You're just staples with your basket. That's exactly what it became. And it drove me insane. Wow. And people love that show.. Oh my God, that's insane. And it drove me insane. Wow. And people love that show. People go, I love Brothers and Sisters.

I go, did you like when I became the house husband? Wow, wow. And the network, did they explain it? They didn't explain it. No, but they did say to their credit, they weren't shy about it. They're like, we're not doing any political storylines anymore.

Wow. Oh, well, maybe it's because when, because over the years, you know, and you know, over the years it's become very heated politics. Yeah. Obviously, right? I think more so than it's ever been, I think, especially in the last 10 years, right? It's so divisive out there. We're not together. It's connected. It's so depressing. Is it not depressing? It is, it is. It's so depressing. I mean, let's say the West Wing today plays like a quaint.

It's so quaint. Yeah. Right, right, right. Quaint, aw, bless their cotton socks. Right, yeah. It really does. It's like aw. Also, that show would never be made today.

There's no way it could get made. No, no, not on a network for sure. Yeah, there's no way. The notion that that was a network television show, we did 22 of them a year. Or you can do the West Wing but you have a Republican president next time. You could. I wonder what those conversations are going to be like. I thought they, when they did it, they did a really good job of, because Ainsley Hayes, I loved that character Yeah, and she was oh, she's great. Yeah, I thought she represented the Republican point of view always very very well She was great. She was so good in that And then you probably talked about we don't have to talk about why you left the show But anyway, um, I never knew oh they just they just stopped writing for me

They you know, they this interesting they stopped writing and then everybody else got raises and I didn't. And I went and was like, hey, okay, I think I should have a raise if everybody else has had a raise. But even if for whatever weird reason you don't want to raise me, if you promise to write me an episode like you did where I got nominated for an Emmy.

I'm sorry, I managed to, sorry, I got nominated for an Emmy. I'm sorry, I managed to... Sorry, I got nominated. You wrote me something great. But if you just say you're going to do two of those out of 22. Wow. And it was nope to nope and then I knew I had to go. They would just say no? Yep.

Wow. Because in the pilot, I mean, it's like you would think, because you had that storyline with that young lady with the, not prostitute, but the call girl. Yes. Sex worker. Sex worker. I'm sorry.

Why did, what? Yeah, I knew. He did. Oh, so you can't just change the thing. All right? I mean, it's like, I'm still like, you know, stewardess. You can't say that anymore, right? Stewardess. I think, I don't even think you still like your stewardess you can't say that anymore right? I think I don't even think you can say secretary. No you can't I learned that yeah

Really executive assistant what do you call the airline ladies up there flight attend flight attendant? What but we used to call them stewardesses right or no? What you never did no no it was stewardess back then it was stewardess back then and then all the change it Yeah, and also I'm like I'm like a right wing guy now because I couldn't catch up. You can't just do that anyway, you know? You better catch up or you are right wing. I know.

What are some other things that have changed? Oh, little people. That's been changed a long time. You should have caught on by now. Primary bedroom. Oh, yes. What was it before? Master bedroom. Master bedroom.

Okay so. You can't say I'm homeless either, it's a penthouse. Wait, wait, wait. Can we go back to primary bedroom? Yeah. What's wrong with master bedroom? The word master? The word master. Literally the problem.

Oh I see, I see. Because back in the south probably, the master, I see. Good connection. I'm pretty sure the master slept in the master bedroom Pretty sure I know but if you watch the master class like some golf tournament, right? Oh, I'm shocked that they can still do a golf tournament in the south called them with all white guys called the masters Wow see that's what I'm saying. They didn't change that.

But okay, so primary bedroom. Would you like, it's hard to come into the primary bedroom. Why? Because I want to be a master. Anyway, so what is another? That's it. Little people, master, primary, and then, um. I don't think you can say homeless, right? No. What do you call them? I think it's like unhoused or... No, another one.

Oh, and there's one with the word insecure in it. With food. Food insecure. What? Oh, instead of... You can't say it? I'm not gonna say it. I don't wanna say it. I don't wanna say it. Whoa, whoa, whoa, let me... You can't say it? I'm not gonna say it. I don't want to say it. I don't want to say it.

Wait, wait, wait. Let me guess. Don't say it. This is a terrible game, but okay. I know. I like this game. All right. So, Food Insecure.

Bulimic. No? No, it's for sure. It's something. Come on, guys. I have my... You know the game? My team is sitting on their phones like a bunch of...

Do not look at the phones. Let's play the game, Kaila. Food insecure. Food insecure. Might be just food insecure. But food insecure, I think... You can't say that? No, that's what you do say. That's what you do say instead of this word.

Instead of anorexic, bulimic. No, no, no, it's... Oh, I know, I know, obese? No. Starving, I think. Oh, oh, oh, oh, I see what you're saying. What is it? Trust me. Just look it up! I'm not crazy, it's out there. No starving. Oh What is it yeah

Trust me. I'm not crazy. It's out. I can't find anything. I'm trust me. I know I didn't make this up How about if you whispered in my ear, maybe it's housing insecure Food insecurity is the official term when people don't have enough to eat there goes. Okay. There it is. You can't say hungry No, oh,, so maybe that's what it is. You can't say people are hungry. What's the fucking word? Tell me the word. You can't say hungry. Is that really hungry? So it's like, hey dude, are you food insecure? I was gonna go over to get some sushi.

It's hungry. You can't say it. I don't think you can say it. That's crazy that you're saying it now. Whoa, whoa. Are you fucking kidding me right now? That's crazy what you're doing. No, honestly, is this a trick?

No. Are you kidding? No. I think he's right, honestly. I'm telling you, see. You're so clever. No, I'm not doing, I refuse. I review, you can't say hungry anymore.

Hey. You're being so wealth blind right now, Bobby. Oh yeah, wealth blind. Oh, wealth blind. That's a good one. That's right, I'm wealth blind. I haven't heard that one. I'm proud of being wealth blind

and I'm proud of being hungry. All right, and I know little people. What are you gonna do? Okay, what are you, anyway,? Anyway, anyway, that's insane. Anyway, so we were talking about, and then this and that. Okay, let's talk about. This is why we do podcasts, by the way. This is why, by the way, I do a podcast.

I'm gonna have to have you come on, literally, is my podcast. You can get wherever you get your podcast. But this is why we do it, because we can go off on tangents, and nobody can stop us. This is, I mean, to be honest, isn't this the best? It is the best.

You know, I haven't waited in line, literally with Rob Lowe. Yeah. Wow. And I got all kinds of fun people. The Arnold one was, Arnold was great. Arnold who? Arnold who? Arnold who? Oh, there he is!

Look, there's our guy, LeVar Burton! Oh my God, you were kidding! there's our guy, LeVar Burton. Oh my God, you were kidding. Dude, you understand, dude. It's like. Wait, you used to listen to his sleep stories. I did. On the Palm app.

Yeah, that's right. Yeah. But I wouldn't go, thank you, LeVar, thank you, Jordy LaForge. Yeah, you're right, you're right. I would like pretend that he was Jordy LaForge. I'm just, because I think that all three shows that I mentioned are just they just don't make sure I mean maybe Game of Thrones but like you know it's it's I mean those shows are up there man

that's awesome thank you yeah you're up there dude right I love that so let me talk to you about us so um isn't this great that we get to do this because two sober guys yeah hanging out talking shit but it's kind of like a TV show but from your own house or wherever you do it and it's like you can control the editing and and Thank you so much. Thank you in the editing. Okay. Yeah, I haven't done any of that accidentally say hungry We just bleep that can't you just bleep that out? Yeah. Yeah bleep hungry up. Yes, please don't say again Okay. Hey, um, here's some yeah, you know something's here. Yeah, yeah, bleep hungry out. Please don't say, okay. Hey, here's some kind of somethings here. You're, I'm sorry.

What is this? Food insecure. Are you ferreted scared? Wanna have some of that? I'm not hungry. So, but it's great. And so yours is called, what's your podcast is called?

Literally. Literally. And it's guest driven? Yeah, it's all guests. It's just me and a guest. And we just sit and talk. And the Genesis was, over the years, the friendships that I've made, and I know people in a way

that other people don't know them, like Double D. Like, we had D'Covne on there. We're like, and I'm like, I can talk to him about things that nobody else is going to be able to. So whether it's Downey or Gwyneth or Arnold. And so I kind of worked my way through my... When you say Gwyneth... Gwyneth Paltrow.

What about Downey? Downey? What Bobby? Downey and I were in history class together in the eighth grade. What? You and Downey were. Do you know what his nickname is, right? No.

I won't say it, sorry. You can't say it. We'll have to bleep it out. Remember when you were in the elevator you just got those Gucci sunglasses and I was like and we called you Down he does like his um loud choices Big swings Satatorily, yeah, it went and then when I posted that, people went,

hey, why, remember? Right. That's the glasses. Yeah, so they said I look like Robert Downey. He had a season. Downey would wear, Downey would be down with that. That whole outfit, that's such a good fit. So let's talk about Downey for a second.

Robert Downey for a second, okay? Oh, can you take that photo off? Rob's just staring at it. Because I know that I've never met him. And he... Nice guy? Nice guy? Step back in.

Step back in. I don't know, nice guy? How about this, nobody does more for people in recovery than Johnny. Nobody does. I've seen it and it's funny, you can tell when people are really doing the work. The work, you know what I mean? There's a transformation.

I know a couple of guys, we had one guy on our podcast recently and another guy and I literally, night and day, it's like when you run into them, you can't even recognize them because you're just like, oh shit, something happened. Like, this guy did a 180, you know what I mean? And so it's just incredible to see that. And you could even see it with him,

even though I don't know him, I just, from the outside, you could see him just shift, you know what I mean? And it's incredible. So you guys are close? So we, yeah. Nice way to wrap that up. You guys are close? So we, yeah, nice way to wrap that. I love that. You brought that home.

You landed the plane. Yeah, I love him, he's so, he was the, I can't say, master of ceremony? Yeah. Primary. Primary speaker. Primary speaker of the set. He was the primary speaker at my 60th birthday.

Wow. With he and Gwyneth. And they were, they should go on tour together. They were so fun. Incredible. They were incredible. They were so funny. So during.

So I've got a good lineup. Literally. How many people were at that ceremony? 60? Oh wow. Only 60 people. 60, 70? Yeah.

I think that was, yeah. Who else is there? It was a good group. Can you give me a couple more people? It was a good group. We had people from finance there. I don't wanna hear about that. I know you don't.

To me, that's more interesting now. I know, I know, I know. That's the new. So let's talk about the show. How did this show come up? Unstable? Unstable. Because you're with your son.

That's my son. It's currently son, we're, it's currently on Netflix and season two. Incredible. Is August 1st. So how did that come up though? So my son Johnny started just roasting me on social media. You can pull up, go to John Owen's social media and it's a sad day for me.

Um, and he just likes to hammer me. And he's a super funny kid. Was he like that as a kid too? Yes, both my sons, I have two sons, Matthew and Johnny. Johnny's the youngest. Matthew is in finance, so he took a real job. I think I met Matthew once. I think he's met, yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've hung out with him or talked to him. He's a nice kid. Yeah, they're huge fans of yours. Oh, thank you. No, like they're so excited. That's good, that's good. Look at him, how thirsty he is.

Yeah, so that's your son. Jesus. He's very thirsty. The thirstier one I didn't meet. Look at this hunko. He's a hunko. Let me see a close-up to his face. He's got, we gotta find the old ones

where he's making fun of me. That's a pretty good one. This is the one I didn't meet, right? That's the one I don't think you met. Yeah. Wow. And this is the youngest one. This is the youngest one.

Yeah, yeah. So he used to make so much fun of me. And people started noticing it and it became a thing like in the media. And we realized that people liked it so much. I mean, there's articles were written about it and on and on and on. And I was like, well, people seem to like this. Maybe there's a show there that uses this as the comedy ingredient. Wow.

And so that's how we came up with Unstable. Are you playing Rob Lowe? That's exactly the thing. Neither one of us wanted to play ourselves. I see. And we didn't want to do anything about show business. Oh, okay, okay. And we wanted to do something a little more,

you know, I don't know. We didn't want to do show business. But it had to be a larger than life father with a son who's trying to escape his shadow and live his own life. And what kind of job do you play? I play like an Elon Musk tech billionaire, lunatic. Wow, wow, wow, wow.

An absolute insane person who has been so sheltered and so coddled and so privileged that he doesn't have any sense of what reality is, but he's also brilliant and successful. And John Owen plays the son who's really the only one who can really reach him. Wow and did you create it with your son? Yes. You got sat down and went okay what are we doing? We it's Victor Fresco, Johnny and I created season the first season. Here you go, here you go. Okay. That's a good one. This is the one that um Johnny this is a picture of me I was working out in

my home gym. Yeah. Zoom in on that. And I, and I write, if you're not wet from your workout, you're probably not working hard enough. John Owen immediately, the subtle art of taking a selfie in front of your Emmy nomination. That's so good.

That's so good. This is me doing a bit in Cape Town, South Africa. Hanging out here in Cape Town, John Owen, this may be your finest piece of acting. Now would you call them and go, son, or would you laugh? Let's see what you got here. Oh, this is when I was out, I went to the Galapagos. So you have time to Instagram, but no text me back.

He's always on me. I can never really win. Well, you went to the Galapagos. It was pretty great. I wouldn't dive there so bad. Yeah, I know. What's so great about the Galapagos? You didn't get to dive there?

And I didn't. Can you believe I got all the way there? Cause I was with a bunch of people who didn't dive and I was on their dime and time. That's always a mistake, going with people who don't dive and I was on their dime and time and it was... That was a mistake, that's always a mistake, going with people who don't dive. I agreed. You dive. Love diving.

Why were the Galapagos? Galapagos. That's how I said it. I did... That's the real way to say it. I did Machu Picchu and the Galapagos on this trip and it was a... Machu Picchu, by the way, you think, that's the one I thought I'd go and go, man, it's fine.

Yeah. Fantastic. Fantastic. Okay, fantastic. Okay, well Machu Picchu? Machu Picchu. Are they close together, Galapagos? No, not really. Not really, because Ecuador is. Are they island places?

Galapagos is island. I know that. Machu Picchu is Peru? Peru, yeah. Peru, and let's say I'm a laborer, I am a laborer, so I've never been there. What are the selling points of Machu Picchu? Machu Picchu is, it's one of those.

Is there a Starbucks? There's no Starbucks. It's a mysterious ruin, very high up in the mountains. And people, megalithic, pre-megalithic, is that what the, you know, all that architecture? It's very ancient aliens. Okay, here we go, now we're talking. Is there an Arby's, what do you eat there?

Arby's. I don't know what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is that. I love that he goes Arby's, but you know they closed the last Arby's in Hollywood, did you know this? They closed that one? They closed that famous Arby's

right by the Netflix headquarters. They closed, it had been there for 70 years. Oh my God. Same ownership, 94 year old woman, I saw her on the news. It finally couldn't survive COVID and then the uh just you know, California insanity. Do you not like Arby's? I love Arby's. I love horsey sauce. The horsey sauce and the Arby's sauce. That bun? The bun is so warm. Why is it so good? It's so warm and moist. It's so good. I love it.

If you didn't know we were alcoholics, this is how you know. You love Arby's? That warm bun. Oh my god. I love it. But back to Machu Picchu. So what I'm saying is if you were inviting me there, I'd have several questions. Your lungs wouldn't survive.

Your lungs would not survive. It's way up there. They wouldn't. No, you wouldn't. You have to be on med. It's way up there. They wouldn't. You have to be on meds. You have to be on altitude meds. You have to gradually. Okay, okay. But could I gradually get there or no? Yeah, I mean you're... Yeah.

You're a smoker. Okay, so if I went there I would fucking die. Is that what you're saying? I mean you went to Denver and passed out. Oh that's right, that's right. I passed out at Denver. That's right. I passed out at Denver. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. It's amazing. It's amazing. Denver.

I passed out, I can't do Denver either. All right, so can we pitch me Galapagos, son? Ooh, Galapagos. Let me ask you, so if you were like, you called me and you were like, BL. Was that your nickname? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what? Is that your nickname?

Yeah, I was like, yeah, what's up, RL? You know what I mean? And then I'd be like, he's like, let's go to Galapagos. Leely. What? Leely. Le go to Galapagos. Leely. What? Leely. Leely. That's, call me Leely. Leely.

That'd be cool. Oh my God. You're gonna call me that? Yeah, Leely. Wow, he just winked at me too. Oh my God, my butt'll shiver. Uh. Shiver? Not in a sexual way, not in a sexual way.

Other way, what other way is that? What other way? There's other, like, you know when you have to poo or what? Yeah, yeah, it didn't really serve her. I don't know why I just said that. That was weird. But anyway, it did a little bit. So if you go lily and I go, we're going to the Galapagos? And I'm going to ask you some questions now.

Is there a Four Seasons? There is a very nice hotel at the base of... Oh, not in the Galapagos. No, no. The Galapagos, you're... It's extremely rugged. Yeah, it's like a biological, it's like reserve. Everywhere is biological. No, but this is like protected, biodiverse.

Next level. It's for like adventures and like people who like like the marine life. It's where Charles Darwin discovered and you know, you know, at all his whatever the fuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah, evolution. On evolution. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You don't know everything, okay? Fuck he did. So listen, tell me something. Number one, okay, so what you're saying is that there's no hotel. No. At the Galapagos. Is there an Airbnb? No, there's no, there are blue-footed boobies and then-

Is that a coffee shop? What is that? They're birds. Oh, blue-footed booboo boos. And they're dragons that live underwater. Like Komodo Dragon-y. That live underwater. Wow. So you need to tell me, I'm sorry, Rob Lowe,

those are birds. There's blue-footed boobies. Oh yeah, there's boobies. Look at those blue feet. Yeah, wow, they are very cute. And the only, and the other thing is that's the only place in the world that they exist. Oh my God.

That's the other thing. I gotta go. So when you, what I'm saying is, is that you go to the Galapagos, you take a boat there or you fly in? You can do both. Oh, what did you do? We flew in.

Of course you did. I have a jet, I get it. So you fly in and then do you stay on the island? We stayed on a boat, but you can stay on the island. Right, so you stayed on a boat, and how long did you stay on that boat? Too long. But how long?

It was too long. That's the other thing about the Galapagos. For me, oh here's the thing, and I don't mean to like bum anybody out about the Galapagos, but I could blindfold you, put you on a boat for hours and hours and hours, not have the boat go anywhere, take you to the Channel Islands.

Right here? And you would not know the difference. They look exactly, exactly the same. The only difference is how far you fucking traveled to go there and the diversity of the wildlife is nuts. But in terms of what they look like, looks like Catalina. So you saw wildlife there, the blue foot. Oh, it's insane.

Right, and then the underwater Komodo dragon thing. Look at, look at, look at. The animals of Galapagos, look at that. Look at that. It's interesting. Look at that iguana thing that swims with you. Which one? Can you see those David Attenborough videos

with the swimming iguanas? Those are all in there. You mean Planet Earth? Yes. Yeah. Planet Earth is not the only one. There's so many out now. Look, there's the flightless comorant.

The comorant, yeah. Doesn't even fly. And you saw all those little guys. Yeah, you see all of them. The marine iguanas, so cool. But to what point, like, D.W. is going, ah, sing it down that note. For sure, there's a lot of people you see.

But you like it? I mean, come on. Like, what is it, D.W.. For sure, there's a lot of people you see. You like it? Come on. Like, what is it? DW Griffith, the rock's a rock, a tree's a tree. Go shoot the movie in Griffith Park. What do you see? Whoa, I want that. Is that a director or a producer?

DW Griffith, the famous, I want to say studio head. Yeah. When some young director was trying to get money to go shoot in Death Valley. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. Rock's a rock, a tree's a tree, shoot in Griffith Park. Wow, that guy, that's old school.

Old school. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good shit. Wow, that's incredible. There's our guy. Oh, that's him? We gotta take you to the Channel Islands then, Bob. Oh, and, yep, oh, racist, I knew it.

Yeah. So, can we go back to Unstable, because I want to promote this fucking show. I don't know, why don't we go on these Galapagos? How did that even happen? How did that happen? I'm on the camera.'t know why don't we go on these Galapagos? How did that happen? I'm on the camera. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the photo. And your son. We were talking about it.

In my mind. I thought I was losing my mind. I was like, how the fuck are we talking about? Pichu Pichu or whatever. Leely, bring it back. Come on. What's your nickname? I've got to find one. What do people call you? I gotta find one. Yeah, you gotta think it. I can't just do, what do people call you? I had never had a nickname until the great Amy Poehler finally named me Rollo.

That's it. That's good. It's gotta be Rollo. Yeah, yeah. Honestly, if I see you on the street... Only funny people get to call me Rollo. You may call me Rollo. Okay, good, good. But if I go Rollolo, I don't think you would turn around. Oh, 100% I would. There's no way!

Yeah. Rolo! For sure. And you would turn around. Oh yeah. Bobby? There's no. Leely!

Rolo and Leely. Rolo and Leely, whoa. All right, so I'm gonna, well, I've never seen you in the wild anyway, so this is never gonna fucking happen. You have to go to the Galapagos. To see in the wild. Yeah, it's so interesting. I've never seen you out there.

Anyway, so how is Unstable doing the show? The second season is so, well we unleashed Fred Armisen in season two. Wow. I mean, he's funny in season one, but in season two we were just like, let's just really let him run amok. And he's so funny. And you know what, like, true comedy today is hard to,

you know, like, The Bear's not a comedy to me. And it's like, every show that's out there, as funny as it may be, it's not in the kind of vein that of 30 Rock or The Office or- No, The Bear is so intense. That's super intense because of the agita. Yeah, I mean, because I'm on Reservation Dogs and it's like, people go, you're great on that, but it's like, what a funny show.

And I go, it's a certain kind of funny. Yes. You know what I mean? It's more based on reality. You mean, they don't go too broad, right? Everything's kind of realistic and stuff. So in that sense, it is, but it's like, but I think you're right.

I mean, I think comedies in general, how do we get back to the old days where we have different varieties? Like for instance, you know, like Mel Brooks, Young Frankenstein or Blazing Saddles, right? I mean, those are such broad, like they're almost sketchy, some of the elements. And I love that.

That's what I, so I grew up with, with, I was formed by Blazing Saddles, SNL, sketch driven. I mean, Blazing Saddles is a series of sketches strung together as a movie. Yes. Which is not to say that I don't want things to be grounded. Yeah. But I think that what I really love about

Unstable is it's in it's working in an area that is wide open space and there's nothing like it. There isn't a new 30 Rock. There isn't a new Veep. It's in that character driven, absurdist comedy, which I love. Well, that's great because we gotta keep that going because I think it's just like, I think I could have had a couple of people come up and I've had some meetings, guys.

You've had some meetings. I've had some meetings. Lili has got some shit. Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't have any deals. No, no, God forbid. But let's take those meetings. Let me have two.

Sounds like my career. Let's just do a lot of meetings. But the meetings have been all about like, you know, we don't know what to do. Like, you know what I mean? Like, where do comedies go? Right? And I'm like, you guys made those decisions. You know what I mean?

Like, we didn't have, I've been waiting in line. You know what I mean? How come there are no comedy stars like Will Ferrell and Steve Carell? Well, number one, they're still alive. Yes. Right. Maybe you tap into that. And also secondly, it's like you guys never put the energy

of creating new comedy stars. That's right. Right. And I think it's also has something to do with social media too. I think people get their comedy really quickly now. So maybe that's another thing. People's attention rate or whatever. but it's like we got it

I don't know what I mean. How do we do this? I mean by creating unstable That's one way of doing it But there's also a variety of different styles of conflict the only sketch show on TV right now is SNL It's always been there right is there another sketch out any other sketch shows. No, yeah, I Think 50th anniversary coming up What of SNL? Yep, fuck them. Okay. I love I love them 50 Wow, did you host it ever? I did three times And it was fun really fun really really really fun

But do you get nervous I have never been more nervous than when I was hosting SNL The first time. And then... You know what it is. Yeah, you know what it is. So the very first time, what were the feelings? You just... You feel like you're gonna die.

Really? Yeah, yeah. Because it's live. I mean, Lauren likes to say, um, the first time you host, it feels like you're being shot out of a cannon. And it really does. That is what it feels like. It does feel like that, it really does.

When you're behind that door, again, the door, and you hear that band is going crazy, and they go, oh no, your host! And you walk, it's your knee shake. Yeah, imagine this, you go out there and there's no pop. And now, you know what I mean? Rob Lowe, right? And you go up there and no one clapped.

Well, do you know this bit? Are you saying this out of... No, I don't know. What's the bit? What's the bit? Oh, so the first time I hosted, the bit was no one clapped. It should be an executive, Bobby. Bobby, Leely, you know, you know, you know,

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My publicists are all, I don't give a fuck anymore. Hey, that was so long ago. 35 years ago, this is my 20s, I was nuts. And a ginormous alcoholic. Never saw it. Anyway, yeah, yeah. Anyway, so the joke was that I would come out, so the beginning of us now, I go, Lauren, I think people are gonna be really angry at me.

So this is right when that came out then? Yeah. Right. Wow. Wow. I know what's going on. I have a daughter! What a great bit. It's a great bit, dude. It's a great bit. It's a great bit. It's a great bit. It's a great bit.

It's a great bit. This is like, but what for me this was, was like I was able to establish for me, like I'm fucking going for it. Yes. Like there were, there were people that were like, not only should you not do the show, period, but you certainly,

Don't do that. Under any circumstances, should you ever do that. That's the thing to do. And that. But you certainly, under any circumstances, should you ever do that. That's the thing to do. And that's what you do. What you did is what you are. Yes. And then years later, when they roasted me

on Comedy Central, which is also one of my favorite things I've done, because it's so rough. I mean, it's like they murdered. I Jeff Ross. I mean they don't know murdered I grew up in that world and it's just they destroy you but that's that's what the big boys the big boys play in that world That's what I say Wow That's crazy. That's good. I'm gonna remember that. It's true. The big boys play in that room. Yeah.

Is that what you said? Yeah. Okay, I don't wanna fuck up the quote. Yeah. Yeah, because it's like, you know, I wanna have a big life and I wanna be brave. And I think I've done that for the most part. I think in my life, you know,

I've done a lot of scary things. When I did the Tonight Show, Leno, I was living with six guys in a two-bedroom apartment in Silver Lake. I had no bank account, no car, nothing. I had nothing, right? And I remember being behind that curtain, right? And my parents were immigrants too,

so they didn't wanna watch it. They didn't know what it is, The Tonight Show. I just remember being there, and I remember, I've told this story before, and there's a guy there with a little walkie talkie your thing and this is what he said. He goes hey don't mess up There's only 15 million people watching. Oh God Literally, and then as soon as he said that I hear go anyway This next comic coming to stage right and I remember him saying that in this but I just remember going I have to hit this ball

There's I don to hit this ball. I don't get another shot. No you don't. Right, right. And it's like, and I want to, and at the time I was sober, you know what I mean? So I was just like, I'm sober, this is just, and that's what the thing about sobriety is,

is that the good, the bad, all the feelings, you're feeling it, and that's what I want. Even the uncomfortable ones, you know what I mean? That's a part of being a human being and I don't wanna be afraid of it. I wanna be able to confront it and feel it and all that stuff. So I don't know, I mean, I lay in bed sometimes

and I think to myself, cause I have a low self esteem, I mean I beat myself up and shit, right? We all do, yeah. But at the end of the day, I look back and I go, you know what, no man, you're brave. I hate to say this about myself it's fucking gross. No it's not because because to put put ourselves in the in the positions of being the butt of the joke doing of saying stuff that's outrageous like you

know the minute comedy is safe it's not funny. Yeah, the minute it's safe. Yeah expected. It's not funny Yeah, so the unsafe and unexpected. Yeah. Yeah is heroic. It is Wow Wow 100% Wow anyway You know, I was so nervous about this. I just really liked this podcast a lot man. You're like a good dude Yeah, I was happy to call eyes and you know And you got it's not it's not, it's not just like, let me just say this, the puckering, vibrating butthole thing.

Yes, what was that about? And the eyes, they, no. Vibrating? Was vibrating? I don't know, would I say puck or what'd I say? Quivering. Quivering, yeah, yeah. So we had quivering puck, puckering, vibrating?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, what I'm saying is that it's not a sexual thing. And the eyes would think it's just an observation I felt something jittering down below, right? Right and the jittering I was just like what is that? That's unusual You know what I mean? That normally doesn't happen. It could happen to anybody. Yeah, the eye thing is just like like hey, bro You have nice eyes, dog. You know what I mean? That's all. You know what I mean? Thanks, dog. Your teeth are great, too, but anyway

What's going on there? Just as we've been doing this with every guest, Rob Lowe was also at the Netflix school party. I know, I hear that it's an issue. So is John Owen Lowe, by the way? Yeah, everyone, but me. Yeah. I don't understand, how can I help this? How can I help right this wrong?

I'll tell you this, Ryan. Eric Griffin? Right next to Rob Lowe. What's the one that drives you the most crazy? What do you mean? Like, whoa, the whole Asian section right there. Chang Wang, Atsuko, Ken Jeong, Jimmy Oh Yang. Is that Jimmy Oh Yang?

Yeah. Jimmy Oh Yang. I'm sure Randall Park's coming later at four, but I'm sure he... Was Randall in there? I don't know. Please, God, please, God, no. That's, I mean, I mean I hate to say it because you're hearing your butt hurt about it. Quivering butt hurt.

Vibrating. Vibrating butt hurt about it. But that was really an amazing moment. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, signing, I'm doing a special for sure now, and I'm signing a deal with a company. Because of this. No, at the end of the day, you know, it's like I want to fight against fire. Fight fire with fire. Yeah, fight fire with fire, you know what I mean? I 100% support that. Thank you so much.

You know what I mean, I don't need that. I'm going to have to create my own part. I'm going to send this podcast directly to Ted Serena. I am, no, I'm not kidding. He loves podcasts. He's a good friend. You're friends with everybody. Okay, get it. I'm gonna say, hey listen, Ted, you gotta figure this out. You can't have Leely out there running the bar. All sad. Rob, I would love to do yours one day. Yeah, let's do this. You have A-list people, but people know me on the internet. I think, haven't we, we've, we're, we're, we're,

we've reached out, we've reached out to your people. These are the people in this room. Honestly, George, did they reach out? I'd have to double check. Oh, George is equivocating. I'll tell you this right now. There's no way I would have said no. So I never got the information.

It's probably scheduling or probably whatever. I never got the information. Can we try again one day? We're gonna figure it out right now. Yeah, yeah, figure that out, okay? We're gonna do this right now. Not in August, I just booked a movie. But anyway.

I love that. Okay. So fancy. He booked a movie. I'm not doing a movie in August. It's a YouTube thing. No, I'm kidding. Anyway, guys, give Rob Lowe a round of applause.

That was fucking amazing. Thank you so much. Thank you guys. We plug everything.