Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 179 - Ruby Ridge

Episode Date: February 17, 2020

The 1992 Ruby Ridge armed standoff between the Weaver family and the federal government. Three people died and the American modern militia movement was born. Did the government use excessive force in dealing with Randy Weaver, who refused to show up to court and face weapons charges? Or did Randy Weaver's own consistently paranoid and terrible decisions bring the wrath of Big Brother to his door? This one got me fired up! I heard way too much about this incident growing up in Idaho, and after doing the research I felt like I'd been lied to. Will you agree? Sorry about my terrible voice and Hail Nimrod! Check out Lynze and I's new horror podcast Scared to Death. Listen on Spotify, Stitcher, iTunes, Youtube, and more! Here's the iTunes link: https://apple.co/2MRMgai We're donating $4,200 to the Equal Justice Initiative Dedicated to freeing wrongfully incarcerated inmates. To find out more, go to https://eji.org/2020 Toxic Thoughts Tour Standup dates: http://dancummins.tvSt Louis Feb 20-22 Helium CLICK HERE for tix! Salt Lake City Feb 28-29 Wiseguy's CLICK HERE for tix! Nashville March 12-14 Zanies CLICK HERE for tix! Huntsville, AL March 15 Stand Up Live CLICK HERE for tix! Philadelphia March 26-28 Punchline CLICK HERE for tix! Listen to the best of my standup on Spotify! (for free!) https://spoti.fi/2Dyy41d Watch the Suck on YouTube: https://youtu.be/PPRLmUHxr_kMerch - https://badmagicmerch.com/ Want to try out Discord!?! https://discord.gg/tqzH89v Want to join the Cult of the Curious private Facebook Group? Go directly to Facebook and search for "Cult of the Curious" in order to locate whatever current page hasn't been put in FB Jail :) For all merch related questions: https://badmagicmerch.com/pages/contact Please rate and subscribe on iTunes and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!! @timesuckpodcast on IG and http://www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcast Wanna become a Space Lizard? We're over 7000 strong! Click here: https://www.patreon.com/timesuckpodcast Sign up through Patreon and for $5 a month you get to listen to the Secret Suck, which will drop Thursdays at Noon, PST. You'll also get 20% off of all regular Timesuck merch PLUS access to exclusive Space Lizard merch. You get to vote on two Monday topics each month via the app. And you get the download link for my new comedy album, Feel the Heat. Check the Patreon posts to find out how to download the new album and take advantage of other benefits.

Ruby Ridge, the site of an 11 day arm standoff with the former green beret and area nation sympathizer Randy Weaver, his young family and a friend named Kevin Harris on one side and the US marshals local law enforcement and the FBI and the other. The Weavers and their friend Kevin were hold up in the isolated Weaver cabin in boundary county Idaho, about 75 miles from where I sit and record this episode in the sucked engine here in Cordo lane. The weavers had long feared the power of a tyrannical government. They moved Idaho from Iowa and parked to get away from the government and away from society in general. They wanted to isolate themselves from an outside world.

They increasingly began to view as unjust and immoral. And then in 1992, the outside world came to them. The firefight that ensued atop this northern Idaho ridge kicked off a modern American militia movement. It has been pointed to by many as the sign that a corrupt federal government wants nothing more than to take your guns and your property. The Ruby Ridge Siege is viewed by the more conspiracy minded as blatant evidence that the new world order is real and that they have no problem killing innocent American citizens who get out of line and refuse to do what they're told. But was the standoff that simple?

Was it simply government agencies wildly abusing their power and killing innocent Americans who hadn't done a damn thing wrong? No, it was not that simple. Both sides of this standoff made numerous terrible decisions. The US government did not handle the Ruby Ridge Siege as well as they could have mistakes from made. Maybe some power was abused. However, Randy Weaver was far from innocence and he and his family also made terrible

mistakes that needlessly put themselves in harm's way. This whole standoff was so incredibly avoidable. Today's story is a story of self-fulfilling prophecy. Sometimes, when you worry about something coming true, so much that you start basing the bulk of your life choices around preparing for how to deal with this upcoming truth, you end up making this thing come true when it otherwise wouldn't have come true. You create your own worst nightmare. If you live your life in constant fear of the government being out to get you and you get so afraid that you start making a bunch of preparations

for the government to come get you preparations that include going to meetings where people talk about overthrowing said government and then you make illegal weapons to prepare for a battle against said government. Well guess what? Now that government has a reason to come for you. The weavers had paranoid visions of the biblical fight for their lives against the government and then their paranoia manifested itself into reality. Randy's 14 year old son ended up getting shot in the back and killed.

His wife was shot in the head by a sniper and killed while holding their 10 month old baby. A federal agent was also shot and killed. There's a lot to unpack in today's Northern Idaho. Everything that could go wrong did go wrong. What did the US government mess up? What did the weavers mess up? And how could this entire situation have been avoided addition of time suck? This is Michael McDonald and you're listening to time suck. You're listening to time suck.

Happy Monday, Meat Sacks. Happy President's Day. Hope you have the day off. I'm Dan Cummins, a suck master, the mush mouth wander, the Lord's sucking tin, the suck tater, and well, work and wait. It's time for time, suck. Yes, I have a cold.

My voice sounds off. I'm throat-coding. Got a lot of tea, got a lot of medicine in my system, and I'm gonna do my best to make this intelligible today, because I very much care about today's topic. I care about all the topics, but today, you know, I have, you'll find out. I relate to this one in different ways, more than most of the topics we've done. I hope the couples who suck together, stay together, had a happy Valentine's Day. Lose the pheno hopes you fucked. Yeah, yeah, hey, Lose the pheno. Hail Nimrod, praise both jangles.

And glory be to triple M when you're feeling a bit too much angst, put on a little yacht rock and see if you can keep me in mat. Recording to the sucked engine again today in beautiful court of lane Idaho. Again not far from where today's story takes place. Recording with Reverend Dr. Joe H. C.J. Paisley. Thanks to all the fine folks who came out to Brooklyn and Washington, D.C., the other weekend, I didn't feel well, but you made the shows a blast. They were packed and so much fun.

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Got blankets, tote bags, and like just unique, weird, cool stuff. So proud of the store. And that's enough on announcements. It's burned through. Now let's get to one of my favorite episodes at TimeSuck so far. Again, this one to hit really close to home. Hip, hip, yaw.

[♪ INTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ Ruby Ridge is beautiful. Let's start there. If you like miles and miles of thick pine forest and wildlife like elk, moose, so many deer, black bear, maybe the occasional grizzly, mountain lions, coyotes, bald eagles, hawks, otters, beavers, so many more critters. Boundary County Idaho is your place. If you like fishing for rainbow trout, cut throat trout, large and smallmouth bass, brook trout, blue gill, perch, crappy, catfish,

10 other types of fresh water fish. Well boundary counties got it. It's got almost 1300 square miles of rugged mountains, pristine lakes and streams, total population of less than 12,000 people. A lot of land, not a lot of people living on that land. Because town in the county seat is Bonner's fairy. Bonner's fairy has a whopping 2,500 people living in it. Give or take a few.

Their Idaho is most friendly town according to Bonner's Ferry.id.gov. Just revitalize their downtown with improved parking, which I guess it means they now have like an additional three or four parking spots. I can't imagine parking was a real problem before the revitalization. If I were to ask somebody, you know, and Bonnors fairy who revitalized their town instead of a company I almost expect them to say like a like a single person's name Wow downtown looks great who clean this place up barb Wagner Duck her two years about things. She did a hell of a job. She's a one woman wrecking crew

No one in Bounderk County can work a cat and a dozer and pour some mud like Barb Wagner. Ruby Ridge is less than 20 miles from Bonnars Ferry. The southern most of four mountain ridges that extend east from the bottleneck Roman nose mountain range towards the Kootenie River and a lush valley in the Northern Idaho panhandle, important antestral home with the Kootenie tribe of American Indians. Caribou Ridge lives in Lies, North of it and the area between them drains into Ruby Creek. Some local maps have identified Ruby Ridge as an extension of Caribou Ridge, but press reported on the Weaver standoff used the federally recognized name.

As the crow flies, that's 30 miles, about 50 kilometers south of British Columbia, Canada. A lot of the locals refer to this part of the world as God's country. It's ridiculously beautiful part of the world with four distinct seasons. And if I talk anymore about it, I might end up with a price on my head for encouraging more people to move up there and ruin it. So don't move to Northern Idaho. It's fucking terrible to shithole, especially don't move there for California. California is about the worst for letter word that isn't a for little word.

You can say Northern Idaho because Californians are almost single handedly fucking up the entire real estate market, which is still extremely cheap compared to California I mean super expensive so don't even try it. Don't even look don't look on real estate apps. Come on save your money Don't come don't go there Northern Idaho is also a Randy Weaver the man today's tale revolves around decided to move You wanted to get away from society like a lot of folks in Northern Idaho, a lot of anti-social types in Northern Idaho. I grew up in, you know, on the edge of Central in Northern Idaho, it's very much the same down

where I grew up in Riggins. A lot of people who are friendly, like Bonner's Ferries website proclaims, but that friendliness is served with an undercurrent of stay the fuck off my property. I'm moving Northern Idaho for shindigs and hooting antics. That's what people want to be left alone. There's a reason Randy

Weaver and his family moved to boundary county Idaho, not Los Angeles County, California. Like they wanted to be left alone. We're not going to be left alone if you do things like, I don't know, ignore your court dates. America is the land of the free, but it's also a land like

all other lands of laws. And if laws had been followed, there would be no tale to tell about the Ruby Ridge siege today. That being said today's story is not as simple as you'd ignore in a court date, right? There is a right way and a wrong way to enforce the law. A lot of people believe that the law was enforced about as wrongly as it could be in Randy Weaver's Ruby Ridge debacle. I don't know that they're entirely wrong. I don't know that I disagree, or I'm sorry, I don't know that I agree with that assessment

either though. Let's get to know the star of today's show a bit now. He came to believe what he believed. His beliefs will play a very large role in his standoff with the government before we go into a more proper timeline where we can go over all the nitty gritty details of the 1992 Ruby Ridge standoff. Randall Claude Randy Weaver was declared a healthy newborn baby boy on January 3rd, 1948. He was one of four children born to Clarence and Wilma Weaver, a farming couple

from a Velisca Iowa, a town mostly known for the Velisca Axe murders of June 10th or June 11th, 1912, when eight people were killed with an axed by an unknown assailant. I tell that tale in episode 19 of my other weekly podcast scared to death If you want to hear it. I heard is a good really good story. I maybe I'm biased Randy's dad Clarence was an agricultural supply salesman who had three daughters before Randall was born His mother Wilma ran the home and they were a deeply religious family They were so deeply religious that a hard time finding a local denomination who matched their strict and conservative views of fundamental Christianity, which is saying a lot when you live in a small Midwestern farm town of less

than 2,000 people. The family bounced around between the evangelical Presbyterian and Baptist churches of the area, trying to find a preacher who got it. And actually, I say that they lived in Velisca. That's not exactly true. They lived in Grant, Iowa, a satellite town of about 200 people at the time, 15 miles from Velisca. Velisca is where you go to school, where you get your groceries, where you go to church, go watch a single screen, or a movie, the single screen movie theater,

and living in an even smaller town probably says a lot about the Weaver family. They didn't want to live in the big city of liska. They preferred the quieter burger of grant. I'm speculating here for sure, but being from an area kind of like this that is often how the story goes. Growing up in grant, Randy hid from his sisters, played little league baseball, and goofed off with a local farm voice.

And by goofed off, I mean gave him hand jobs behind the old Anderson barn. They called him handy Randy, the nickname of handy Randy and the stigma that came with that nickname, you know, when you have a family who's super conservative and religious, is largely what would lead handy Randy to move to Idaho many years later in a small conservative Iowa town. Once you are known as handy Randy, you're always handy Randy. And when the FBI made their siege many years later, continually taunting weaver by calling him handy Randy would seriously escalate the situation for four days straight.

One agent after another day and night, we're chanting non stop through the loudspeakers. Handy, Randy, making the boys feel dandy, handy, randy, just have to give him candy. It was terrible. And it also never happened. It was never nicknamed. There's no record of him having sexual relations with any kind with any boys or dudes. And if he did, uh, and he started listening to the podcast, I imagine he stopped listening a few moments ago and is now on the phone with his lawyer.

Sorry, Mr. Randy, not handy or Andy Weaver. I'm insane. I've never really cracked the up because I'm an idiot. Randy was very religious and conservative. You weren't allowed to be anything other than being really religious and conservative in the Weaver home. His father, Clarence, couldn't have been more proud of his son when he professed his faith in Jesus Christ at age 11. Years later, Clarence said of Randy, he was a good

boy. He always believed in God. Always did right by him. We didn't stand for anything else. Randy started working in the fields when he was 10. His dad was never so proud as the day Randy stood up to a local farmer who tried to pay him less than bigger boys for the same amount of work. Randy said, I was always a little kid in school and I hated a bully. His hatred of bullies would help fuel his later standoff with the US government. 1962 when Randy was 14, his father Clarence moved the family north to a gray two-story house with a square post porch on Vine Street in Jefferson, Iowa, about 50 miles from Fort Dodge. Fort Dodge is the county's county seat of Webster, Iowa. Small cities sit along the Des Moines River, home of former

NBA player Nick Collison, former Iowa governor, Cyrus Carpenter, and a number of other notable authors, athletes, playwrights, politicians and more. Jefferson, Iowa, where the weavers would actually live, is a county see a green county, Iowa, about 4,000 people, George Gallup, inventor of the Gallup Poles from Jefferson, Dorine Wilbur, 1972 Olympic gold medalist in archery, and not nearly as many other notable people are from Jefferson as are from Dodge City. The weavers, they like to small town. Jefferson was probably as big as they could handle 20 times the size of Grant.

Jefferson was also the perfect town for handy Randy to escape his dark past. Why do I keep doing that? No one called him that. I always say that for real this time Randy thrived in Jefferson. He was popular in school. He had a good sense of humor. He could joke around with anybody. He could, you know, he fit in. He was charming and funny. He spent a lot of time in Jefferson Tinker with his cars, working the summers in the field, having a few beers here and there with his buddies. It was like growing up on Happy Days. One of his friends would remember.

It was Friday night football. Get the crops out of the field and wait for the next parade. And I bet he had some kickass moths and pancakes at a local soda fountain. I bet Jefferson was a cool place to grow up. I bet it still is. Randy attended the Presbyterian church youth group on Sunday school, he earned decent grades, played baseball and football, to local high school. He graduated 1966 and enrolled in Iowa Central Community College. He was a brand new school to time driving 50 miles to class every morning. The classes were in Fort Dodge.

He was a good, hard-working young man. Although most of his fellow ICC students were farm kids and white like him, Ford Dodge also had a small black population. And Randy has said to have gotten along with everyone regardless of the color of their skin, interesting considering what beliefs he would develop later about race and who he would associate with later. Randle Weaver was a regular guy in Iowa who didn't cause problems for anyone. He was wiring strong for long summers of farm work. He worked as a school bus driver while he was going to community college. He also met his future wife in Jefferson. Friends of the

couple would later say they were perfect for each other, the all-American couple, but they broke up after a few months because Randy wasn't ready to settle down. Oh, Randy Randy. So that's a wild oats to sow. You get it. Be gone, those to Fina. Why do you constantly tell me with cruel handy Randy jokes? When the Vietnam War began to escalate, we've had dropped out of community college and joined the US Army in October of 1968. He was stationed in Fort Bragg in North Carolina with a lot of other dudes close quarters where he did not do any handy, dandy, randy and if he catch my, catch my drift.

Randy was trained as a combat engineer and volunteered for airborne training. Here he passed the rigorous training required for special forces. He became a green beret his dad clearance couldn't have been more proud. And he shouldn't have been more proud, right? Become a green beret's hell of a accomplishment. In his training, Randy learned to survive on almost nothing. He learned to make explosives, prepare fortifications. He also worked as a construction equipment operator. He was a good soldier, rose to the rank of sergeant,

qualifying as an expert with the M14 rifle. He qualified as a sharpshooter with the M16 and the 45 caliber handgun, his military record with Spalas. He was given a national defense service medal and a parachute badge. Yet as highly trained as he was, Reaver never did what he signed up to do. He never got to go to Vietnam. There were jobs needed to be done

stateside, even during that conflict. And he did what he was asked. He was by all accounts in excellent soldier. His experience in the military ironically also began to erode his faith in the US government. He was raised to wave the flag as hard as any other god, fear and apple pie and baseball love in American. But the military was not weaver thought it was going to be. He was reportedly disillusioned by the grainess and the corruption he saw on base. Once he told friends, he was part of an army intelligence drug bust on base. He noticed that all the confiscated drugs were not turned over to the authorities like there were supposed to be if you followed the law to the letter. Randy wasn't pleased.

He told us a period. And when that's, and when he did tell that superior, that superior told him to mind his own business. He was treated as if he had done something wrong by reporting this. His experience did not sit well with him. He decided that, you know, his fellow soldiers were bullshit patriots that they were all in on it. In 1970, we were secured a temporary leave from Fort Bragg and returned to his hometown for a visit. Back where things were wholesome and he ran back into his old high school sweetheart, Vicky Jordanson.

He went out with Vicky Jordanson almost every night when he got back and that's how she got the nickname sticky Vicky. Sticky Vicky and handy Randy. No, that's not, no, that's true. Goddamn it. Get out of here, Luciferina. Stop, stop, stare me back to juvenile, you know, he over full of hand jobs and sticky finger, finger banks. I'm a grown man, hosted a very serious podcast. No, Randy soon gave Vicki a ring,

quickly declared that they were engaged. Are you crazy, Julie asked her sister, Julie Dordison? You just met this guy, but then Vicki reminded Julie that they dated before, right? Several years earlier, but the timing wasn't right then. Now it was. And they quickly got married. Little more about that in a bit. In October 1971, following three years of duty, Randy, we received an honorable discharge from the Army. He was, he was ready to go. After he's dead in the Army, Randy moved home, grew his curly hair out long, grew out some wicked 70 sideburns and a decent stash, and then he was walking down the aisle with Vicki. Let's learn a little bit more about Vicki. Vicki was born June 20th, 1949, a year

and a half after Randy in a house on a lake between the Central Iowa Towns of Fort Dodge and Colville. Little town of around 600. There was one's home to a number of get ready to be shocked. Colmines. Yeah, crazy, right? Coalville, Iowa used to have a lot of coal mines. It doesn't appear that they're still active, but they could be. Not a lot of web info about Coalville in general right now. Vicki's father, David Jordison, was the third generation of his family to live in the family home. But when he moved his beautiful 22 year old wife, Genie, into the house of 1945, they still didn't have electricity. Electricity came to the family home a little while after Vicki was born.

What a different time. And you imagine living with electricity? I can't. Wouldn't be doing this. Goodbye podcast. Vicki had two younger siblings, Lanny and Julie and a whole mess of cousins running around. Vicki was a talented and attractive child born into a family of talented and attractive kids.

And according to her relatives, even amongst these other kids, she still stood out for being extra awesome. Those who knew her, growing up said she could do anything. She was a smart, curious child, always reading. She could sew, cook, knit, finish furniture. She could seemingly pick up things without ever, you know, bothering to study them bother to study from the beginning her parents that they felt they were having conversations with a little adult the jordan's like the weavers

we're also religious family but unlike the weavers they were all all on the same religious page dad david was a devoted member of the reformed mormon church we learned about that branch back in the uh... suck on more than ism and genie was a congregation list and on Sundays, the kids went with dad to the local RLDS church while Genie stayed home. Interesting. I feel like traditionally that usually goes the other way around.

Not saying it should, but moms usually seem to win out over dads when it comes to things like, where's the family going to church? But you know, I guess dad put his reorganized church to Jesus Christ, Latter-day Saints, known as community Christ church. Now, foot down. After church, kids went to the RLDS Sunday school. Dad went to a Bible class where he talked about current events

and church prophecy and then when David left, I'm guessing everyone else there talks shit about his wife not coming with him to church and how sad it must be for his family and dear God, what was wrong with her and doesn't she care about her soul? Live in an Iowa, Vicki witness, the US government is starting this power in a way that didn't sit well with her a few times when she was a tiny tot. Her family's favorite tree was torn down to make way for the electrification of their

home. And then later, the family farm itself was put on the chopping block strongly against her family's wishes, cut up to make way for a new highway, imminent domain. Like Randy, she didn't like bullies either. And she felt that she had seen the government behave like a bully on a few occasions, on a few occasions. Vicki did well in school, mostly getting A's. She attended the same eye with Central Community College that Randy did after she graduated from high school in 1967. Two years later, Vicki graduated from ICCC with an associate's degree in business, took a job as a secretary at Sears, back when Sears had secretaries.

Then she ran back into Randall Weaver, who was not known as Haney Randy, but was known to family and friends the time as Pete. Not sure how Randall becomes Pete, especially when your middle name is Claude. He had to be numerous first names to pick from and they went with Pete. How weird are nicknames by the way? Like did Joe Paisley ever think before he took a job here that he would ever be known to some as micro-paint or to horsecock Johnson to others? I strongly doubt it.

When I was in Washington, D.C. recently I met a guy after one of my shows who asked me to sign something for his buddy Squishy since Squishy couldn't make the show. And when he said that, naturally I said, I'm sorry, did you say Squishy, since Squishy couldn't make the show. And when he said that, naturally, I said, I'm sorry, did you say Squishy? He's like, yeah. And then I was like, how the hell does someone get the nickname of Squishy? And I thought the answer would be a little creepy

and it was creepier than I expected. His buddy said that when he was a kid, school janitor picked him up for a hug and then told him he felt Squishy. I shit you not. And I was like, dude, you're making this out. And he's like, nope. And then other kids started calling him squishy

and the name stuck and it sticks to this day. And I said, that janitor sounds creepy as fuck. And he said that that's what him and the rest of his friends all told squishy. But squishy was like, no, no, he was super cool. Well, if you're listening to squishy, he doesn't sound cool. You might wanna leave town.

You might wanna start a new life and never talk about that janitor again. I holy shit, dude. I mean, good for you for embracing it. But squishy, come on. Let's worse than handy Randy. Back to Vicki now, regular old Vicki, not sticky Vicki. November 1971, Randy Viktor, you get married to a ceremony at the first congregational church

in Fort Dodge, Iowa, and an attempt to impress and or a piece Vicky's family The couple arranges for two ministers to conduct a ceremony A minister from the reorganized church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and a congressionalist pastor So super nice move on Randy's part classy move Then and over backwards to appease the in-laws Stroking them both off not can classic handy Randy. I'm so sorry. I know that jokes probably weren't thin. It's all I can think about every time I talk about anything about him. Okay.

Okay. After the wedding, Randy and Bikki move across the state to hear falls college channel of around 40,000 fine Iowa folks. What Randy planned to use is GI Bill alone to go to college at Northern Iowa University. Bikki was planning to work as a secretary for a while. Then hopefully, say goodbye to a day job and be a housewife and a mother. And it is a bummer that more people can't do that anymore thanks to how much the economy in the US has shifted since the 70s. Thanks to wages that have been way too stagnant compared to the cost of rent,

mortgages, health care, higher education, more. Trajectors more families can't survive on just one income if that's their preference, right? Which things cost less? So great for the kids one parent doesn't have to work and be a full-time parent homemaker, which I do realize is a shitload of work So shout out to all the moms and dads out there who are able to do that, especially if you love it I'm pretty career oriented myself. I've known for years that as much as I love my kids And I do love this shit out on my son Kyler and Dodderman Row The path of homemaker was not ideal for me, but I have enormous respect and admiration for homemakers.

What you're able to give your kids is magical. Hope you take a lot of pride in that. I don't feel like this society values it as much as it used to. I think you should take a lot of pride in that. You're appreciated immensely by some of us. And Cedar Falls, Randy and Rolls of the University of Northern Iowa to study criminal justice ironically in 1972. He actually wanted to become an FBI agent or join the secret service.

Two agencies he would come into a standoff with later in life. So he could help weed out corruption that he saw in the government. However, after only two semesters, he dropped out because the tuition was too expensive. If only it could have worked out. His life's path would have been very different. It would have followed a different trajectory odds are after dropping out of school. Randy got way into AMway, which I don't think is a real great sign. I know some people have made a lot of money in that for sure, Pyramid's scheme, but getting

into AMway, always every time reeks of extreme desperation to me. Again, if it's working for you, I mean, God bless you. If you don't know what AMwayIA is, it's hand jobs. It's a pyramid scheme where the more handy randies you go out, the more money you make off the people who you talked into slanging out those handy randies. I'm such a child. If you don't know what AMOIA is, AMOIA is short for American

way. Space just has had a Grand Rapids Michigan where I have unsuccessfully made fun of AMOIA many times over the years to the crowd's dismay. It's an American multi-level marketing company that sells health, beauty, and home care products. And the more you get other people to buy products, the more you make, and then if you're able to sign up somebody to get other people to buy products from them, you make a little money off those sales as well. And if they sign up other people under them to get other people to buy stuff, like you

continue to make a, you know, increasingly smaller percentage as it goes, but it's a classic pyramids keep. And Randy got real into it for a bit. He talked Vicki into selling it. He talked other family members into doing it as M.A. tends to do. If you get a, if you know, if you have a relative who got into the M.A., it's like, do shut the fuck up about M.A. I get it.

Fine. I'll buy your stupid volumes if you just stop talking about it. But you get, you know, but then it doesn't go as well as you wanted to. And after a few months, you know, when he doesn't catch on like wildfire, his love affair with amway is over. And then in 1972, he applies for and gets a high paying job at a local John Deere tractor factory in the neighboring city of Waterloo, an industrial town about 70,000 people, butts up against Cedar Falls and Eastern Iowa.

Anyway, good money working for John Deere. A company had a quarter, just two hours away in Malene, Illinois. He was a young dude, he got long hair, he got a sweet stash, probably some fucking sick aviator shades, bell bottoms rocking a new sports car. Feel like I'm talking about my dad right now. This is my dad in the 70s. Young blue collar dude, sweet stash, new Corvette. Randy had a burnt orange Corvette for a while, then a triumph roaster, and then a 240Z.

Fuck yeah, bro. What are you driving? Mark your gouger. Chevy Nova. Okay. Cullis. Come on, bro. Let your chest hair out.

Put on a pinky ring. Hop into a Datsun motherfucker In addition to his sweet Datsun 240 Z got my neighbor had one of those grown up and I didn't think that's a fucking sick car Someday I'm gonna have a Datsun 240 Z Randy bought you know trucks and motorcycles. He's buying snowmobiles and fishing it life is good Life is good right now for the weavers. They could have just stayed in this lane. We wouldn't be talking about them. Randy and Vicki, they're still, they're still young, they they buy a house, a well kept rancher and Cedar Falls, they're killing it. Randy is the envy of many of the people around him. He's crushing life, smooth sailing. He's probably rocking a little bit of Jim Kroche out of that sweet Dawson blasted it off of that eight track and it's bad bad

Lee roe Brown bad as man in a whole damn town better than O'King Kong Me no then a junkyard dog, you know fucking hit Florida it off the stop sign. Come on Roll those windows down bro. Let that smooth breeze kiss those sweet feathered banks Weaver was also idealistic family member saw him as an exuberant man who threw his energy into whatever came his way. He was always going 150 miles an hour in whatever direction he was heading, whether it was AMway, whether it was sports cars or his new obsession in the mid 70s, silver and precious metals. Yep.

Randy got way to precious metals in the mid 70s. And again, I swear, this this so many times during this suck I'm like am I talking about my dad or am I talking about Randy Weaver? Randy believed that the dollar would soon become devalued since it wasn't backed by gold standard and precious metals We're gonna be the only way for people to survive the US effectively abandoned the gold standard in 1933 and then president Nixon Completely severed the link between the dollar and gold in 1971. Part of what was called the Nixon shock way too complicated to try and explain here. My dad used to talk about investing in precious metals growing up. He talked about the value of

the dollar plummeting due to not being backed by gold. Right. Has that happened? This is a good excuse for me to look into this. We my get out so into this, he was literally hiding gold dust in the walls of the house at one point. If you invested a thousand dollars in the market in 1971, for example, for even easy numbers, if you invested in the Dow Jones, like if you got yourself a piece of an index fund and just rode the general economy of the US, you'd have almost 21,000, or I'm sorry, you'd have roughly 21,168 dollars today according to online calculators. Like, if you didn't touch any of the money and if you just reinvested the dividends, if you invested $1,000 in gold in 1971, or sorry, 73, 73, 73, 73, I changed it and I've

got to change one of my notes. So just for accuracy, I'm talking about 1973 through 2020. So economy, 1000 equals 21,168, gold and 73 equals $1,000 equals $3,000 37 today. So very different. So gold would be, it would be a good investment, but not even nearly as good as betting on the overall economy, which is kind of like betting on the dollar. All the paranoia of the economy collapsed because the dollar isn't backed by a precious metal has thus far been completely unjustified. And how my dad does listen to this episode because you know, that knowledge will only make

him super duper sad at this point. For the rest of you, just know that historically over the long run, betting on the overall strength of the U.S. economy has been a very good investment. As the price is silver, I know we're talking about gold and silver here, as the price of silver began to climb in the 70s, Randy gave silver medallions and coins out his gifts, talked family members into investing heavily. This is super unfortunate because in the late 80s, the price of silver collapsed. Whoops. The price of silver per ounce reached a high of almost $118.19 by 93.80, it had fallen to less than $7.00 an ounce. Oh well. Randy and Vicki stopped caring

about the price of silver. They had instead begun to focus on something that has never helped out a single person's life ever, despite millions and millions of people being obsessed with it over the last couple millennia. Doomsday prophecy. Yay, doomsday. Yes, the weavers got real into worrying about the imminent end of the world, the second coming. The couple began to harbor some pretty diehard fundamentalist beliefs in the late 70s. Those beliefs just were hardened over the next decade and a half. Vicki had always been religious, but now she began to study the Bible religiously, pun not intended. She began to really study it. She grew positive that she was being led to study it because God wanted her to know

that the apocalypse was imminent. Right. Here we go again. When has this mentality worked out for a single fucking person ever? Thinking the world is about to end, making life decisions based on that end has literally never worked out for anyone. This new mentality of the Weaverts feels very connected to the earlier obsession with investing in silver because precious metals are going to hold on to their value over the dollar because the economy is going to collapse right. The government's

falling apart, the world's falling apart. Everything's falling apart. This mentality, the military is morally bankrupt. Everything's bad. Starting to get a real good picture of the Weaverts here and it reminds me of some of my dad's friends around Rigg and Zydeho in the mid and late 90s. Everything's corrupt. Everything's going to shit. I had better prepared for the for the end of the world. Thank God the world's going to end at such a terrible place. In 1978, the weaver family is introduced to a book that would help ruin their lives called the late great planet earth written by Hal Lindsey and C. C. Carlson. The book was very popular at the time, among so-called truth seekers with backgrounds like

the Weavers. It was written almost like a long letter, directly to readers, you know, like Randy and Vicki, stop an occasion to ask if they were getting it, if all the pieces were finally starting to come together. The book introduced thousands of people to doomsday interpretations of Old Testament prophecies at a time when the country as a whole was in the middle of a born again movement. The huge bestseller convinced many that they were living in the end times. In this book, I'm attempting to set step aside and let the prophets speak Lindsey and

CC wrote, if my readers care to listen, they are given the freedom to accept or reject the conclusions. Well, the book has described modern definitions to old and new testament words. For instance, Gog, the evil empire spoken of in his equal was for sure the Soviet Union now. And the 10 horns of the beast from revelations described obviously open your eyes, sheeple, the 10 nations of the common market of Europe, all the signs are right there hiding in plain sight. The book show how biblical prophecy

could be used to predict an upcoming Arab Israeli war that would definitely trigger a nuclear holocaust between the US and the Soviet Union and for sure bring about Armageddon. And there was like a 99.99% chance that all of this was definitely gonna happen no later than 1989. The 80s, that was it, the world would go on no further.

And again, I feel like I'm talking about my dad My dad's father hit my grandfather was a Pentecostal minister who got real into this exact type of shit I'm positive. He was very familiar with how Lindsay and he convinced my dad growing up to the world was definitely at the end of the 80s And my dad says that was the one of the main reasons he did not bother going to college What was the point? Your bachelor's or master's degree wasn't gonna be worth anything, you know when God and his minions be and battling the devil on an apocalyptic, you know Plain field of earth, right? It's just gonna be a big nightmare. So why bother and what has this how Lindsey pieces ship and up to since the 1970s still living Still living despite constantly talking about the world being about to end any second still making a plenty of money selling more books

The nerve of this douchebag telling everyone the world's gonna end getting all kinds of people terrified People who did that then don't properly plan for the future because there won't be one and then of course the world does not end And the finances of a lot of people who thought it was going to end are totally fucked up. Like you're not exactly maxing out your IRA or your 401k or folks and unbind investment properties. If you think the world's gonna end, right? But dickheads like Hal Lindsey, they end up doing just fine when their prophecies failed to come to fruition, right? After their predictions do not come to pass, they just sell more books about how the world

is gonna end now. It's infuriating. I hate people like Hal Insey. How is also the author and popular of the popular Satan is alive and well-on planet Earth. That was a big hit in 1972. Fun book about how a new age spiritualism was for sure satanic. Watch out for that hippie trying to sell your crystals. That's the devil. He's put down the pitchfork and now he's picked up some Zeppelin records. How also wrote the 1980s countdown to Armageddon. First published in 1982. There's a new world coming, published in 1984 and Satan, you can suck my cock published sometime last year. JK, he did write the final battle, published in 1995. I wonder if that book has an intro

that is just a huge apology for convincing everyone the world was going to end, you know, many years earlier. He published Apocalypse Code 1997, Planet Earth, the final chapter. I mean, you get, you get the picture here, 1998. He published many other stupid, useless, harmful books. And he's still around today. He's still a fire in Brimstone, Dickhead, still talking about the world ending. And if you don't mind, I'd like to take a few minutes to shit all over his ignorant, spiteful harmful beliefs in today's idiots of the internet. Idiots.

That's for today's comments. I chose posts from underneath the video published less than a year ago on how Lindsey's own YouTube channel. He's up there in years, but he's still checking around putting out messages up there out on the YouTube's. This was published on March 14, 2019, this title, how Lindsey report update an Armageddon King of the North titled How Lindsay Report Update, an Armageddon King of the North. Of course, this video has Armageddon in the title, Dude stays on brand. It's how saying the same stupid shit, he's always been saying his entire fucking worthless life, that the world is a dead of sin, God is not happy about it, the signs of the end

times are all around us, Jesus is coming back any second, and I'm going to say some hateful stuff, but if you stick around until the end of the segment, second. And I'm going to say some hateful stuff. But if you stick around until the end of the segment, you'll see it comes from a place to love. Honestly, especially a place of love for Christians. Use a Rob Sirnec posts. How Lindsay, stay strong. Love your godly counsel. I read late, great planet earth, 1980s, countdown to Armageddon. You are a biblical genius and you and use and used

of God to give, I don't know what he's trying to say there, it's very poorly written, but he says you're a biblical genius and you give people hope and scary times and then he says to himself that it makes no sense. Jim, I gotta bless you. How is how a genius rob? He thought the 80s were the countdown to Armageddon and he was fucking way off. That's the opposite of genius. He's 30 years late in counting. The book wasn't titled The Countdown to Armageddon. It was titled The 1980s Countdown to Armageddon.

And he thinks he's a genius. Okay. Another user with an account name of Dr. Keith Conkel and times Bible prophecy posts. Of course, Jesus is coming soon. All caps in about, I don't know, 15 exclamation points. How soon Dr. Keith, 1980 soon? Nice channel name, by the way. Man, ideas are like viruses.

They infect and they spread. I'm guessing how is the guy who infected Dr. Keith and now who knows how many others Keith is infected. I checked out Dr. Keith's YouTube channel, did some Googling, even found his Facebook profile and no mention of what he has a doctorate. I am strongly assuming if he indeed does have a doctorate, it was given to him via a non-accredited online institution. Gonna go out and limb and say it didn't come from seven plus years of rigorous academic

study at a brick and mortar institution. Gonna go out and limb and say, didn't come from seven plus years of rigorous academic study at a brick and mortar institution. Get into the game from a place to get a little cavalier with their use of the term doctor. User Andrew Zikano doesn't care from some disrespect he finds in the comment thread, coming towards how that I did not find myself, but he posts, for you that disrespected this man of God, I feel very sad, how confused you are. Hopefully the Lord changes you because he has brought many to Christ Jesus. Andrew, you seem like a nice guy.

Why are you wasting your time defending this jackass? There's a lot of great Christian ministers out there going find one of those. Defend them, defend their message of love and forgiveness and of doing your best to live a righteous life while understanding that you're still prone to suffering from the human condition, but that's okay because God still has love for you.

Go find the dude, preach him about that. Get away from how Lindsey. User Cynthia writes, Dr. Lindsey, my son is gay. He's an atheist also. He says the Bible isn't true. He was raised better than that. I don't know what to do.

He's an intelligent man. He refuses to hear anything about God. Maybe you have some answers for me, right? And yes, technically, Hall is also a doctor. If you caught that, Dr. Lindsey there. In 1994, he earned the doctorate or his doctorate of theology from the California Graduate School of Theology, which is now known as Haven University. It's a real place, but if you got a doctor from them,

you're not a real doctor. Their website lists 10 faculty members, roughly, total. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Pretending that you're a doctor devalues the title, real doctors work so hard to attain. And Haven, you, you're gonna study one interpretation of the Bible from guessing about, I don't know, six months.

Not saying that's super easy, but it's not the same as having a PhD in mathematics or botany or medicine or English lit or almost anything at all. Your doctor should have an asterisk behind it, like having a doctorate in cryptozoology or ghosts or anything else you can't scientifically prove is real. Now, I'm not saying God isn't real. I'm saying you can't prove it in the same way that you can prove like limestone is real or that horse is real. You can study geology scientifically.

You can study veterinarian medicine in a different way than theology. It's just a pet peeve. Cynthia, please, stop being a shitty mom. Love your son in hope that if God exists, he'll understand. It's either that or judge him for the rest of his or your life, increase the obvious tension between the two of you and deprive him of a mother's unconditional love. Is that what you want? You're not going to convert him to heterosexuality.

It doesn't work like that. Let the dream die. Science is proven over and over again that homosexuality is not a choice. So pull your head out of the dark ages and let him believe what he wants to believe. You can go to church, he can go to Starbucks or the gym, and then you two can meet up afterwards for a nice mother, son brunch, where we can talk to you about his daily life, and you can try not to think about where your baby boy is putting his dick. All right?

How does not have answers for you? Stop asking him, Cynthia. He should have lost all his credibility on January 1st, 1990, or the latest January 1st, 1991, if you're one of those real anal retentive nitpickers who refused to acknowledge 1990 as being part of the 90s, like almost everyone else. User Dwayne Williams leaves to spend less time watching how, more time studying history. He writes, as a society, we are becoming more violent by the day. Anyone we disagree with, it's almost like we'd be willing to kill them because of their

opinion, absolutely no love of God God or for our fellow man only hate Three words for you Dwayne Vlad the impaler Things are a lot better than used to be things were way fucking more Terrible back in Vlad's day back in the 15th century Way more violent to use your word one more recent example of a more violent time eight-off Hitler Let's go more recent pull pot come air ruse If you think that you know God is coming back soon because things are just so especially sinful and violent and terrible now You don't know fuck all about history

You're you're you're making a nonsensical ignorant argument Okay, two more Use your mr. Wisdom So you know this guy's gonna be super smart Post yes, I agree that people have become more ignorant I use your Mr. Wisdom so you know this guy's going to be super smart. Post, yes, I agree that people have become more ignorant. I've seen so much stupidity these last couple of months that would leave you speechless. We need Jesus so badly.

Let's keep on praying and worshiping our King Jesus who is coming back soon. The fucking irony. You're condemning ignorance by agreeing with how Lindsey. How Lindsey is the king of ignorance? He rants and rants about how the world has never been more evil because of He's apparently oblivious to history and he's literally made a career out of making false predictions God last one User Mark Pieden leaves the comment. Why would a man want to become a woman in vice versa?

I'm glad I'm not around any of this nonsense And in the context of this comment thread This is written to me in an obvious tone of, oh my God, things have never been more perverse and sexually immoral like they are now. And again, it's a nonsense argument. It's not true. Even if it was immoral to be transgender, which I do not believe it to be, you would still be wrong. You would still again fail to understand history. Right? Think about the Roman Empire, Mark Pieden. Let's talk about the Roman practice of Penerasti. Roman men were free to enjoy sex with

other males without a perceived loss of masculinity or social status as long as they took to dominate or penetrative role, which I don't think is a moral problem as long as we're talking about consenting adults, but back in Rome, that right extended to men having sex with boys. In particular, slave boys. Roman citizens having sex with slave boys might not have been constantly and openly discussed, but it was certainly happening and it was certainly not legal. You could have sex with your slave boys, whether they wanted you to or not, and you could have sex with other men's slave boys if the owner said it was cool. The first century BCE Roman dramatist, Quintis Navias, wrote that boys were more attractive at the onset of puberty

and that the sexual use of boys ceased after their butts became hairy. Gaius Lucilius, a second century BC poet or BCE poet, drew comparisons between anal sex with boys and vaginal sex with females. So Mark Piedend, are you saying that God was cool with the rampant ass raping of boys in the Roman Empire? Is that why the rapture didn't occur back then?

But now he's so pissed about sex changes, he wants to fucking tear it all down. It's a nonsense argument, makes zero sense. And if you're thinking, yeah, that was before Jesus died because that doesn't apply as far as Christian second coming logic goes. Well, no, this Roman behavior continued continued during the first few centuries CE after death, right? AD. So that argument is null and void. And I say all this with love, please, if you're Christian, don't waste your time focusing on the end days. There's a lot of love and forgiveness you can focus on instead.

So why don't you do that? Just do that, right? I'll bet you'll be a lot happier. Don't waste your time on clowns like Hal Lindsey. Hal is 90 years old now. Still alive. I hope he sits down in his balls today. Then I hope he falls down when he tries to move off his balls and he breaks both his hips.

Fuck Hal Lindsey. That'll prick. All he's done is spread unnecessary panic and fear over the course of his overly long and useless life. And now that he's on YouTube, he's just another idiot of the internet. And again, I apologize for my voice. I'm on a million de-conjustions in cold medicines. The doctor said, you know, it's just gonna take five, six days for it to break up and speak normal again.

Ugh, virus is. Why? Okay, so now we know a little bit more about how Lindsay and the belief system he had, and this was the belief system that the weavers were getting into. They were digging this message. How spoke to them? They were worried about the end times. They were worried about the US economy collapsing. They were worried about the immorality of US society. They feared God. They feared authority.

They were fearsome, worried people. And Vicki's family began to worry about them. Vicki's family was watching them become more and more involved in their fundamentalist, you know, belief system. Here, them talk more and more about how the world was a terrible evil place, a morally bankrupt place, decaying before their very eyes. This is why life is going good for them. Right? He has a good job of making good money. Another major book that influenced the couple was the fictional Alice Shrugged by Anne

Rand, the founder of Objectivism, a Rand-made philosophy revolving around reason and individual liberties. Vicki found the hero's struggle between the individual and the state, prophetic and its action inspiring. The book paints a picture of a government so overbearing and immoral that creative people led by a self-reliant protagonist go on strike and move to the mountains. You will win the book's protagonist, Christ, from his mountain hideout. When you are ready to pronounce the oath I have taken at the start of my battle.

And for those who wish to know the day of my return, I shall now repeat it to the hearing of the world. I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live my life for the sake of another man, nor ask another to live for mine. So the weavers are getting ready to run for the hills. I think they want to go hide from the corrupt government. Vicki also is enjoying some lesser-known works of the writer H.G. Wells, known for his popular stories about time travel, space, and hidden civilizations. He also wrote some dark religious stories, like a vision of judgment and a dream of arm again.

That second story has eerie similarities to what the weavers would go through on Ruby Ridge. In that well story, the main character dreams he is a great leader, living with the woman in the future on a thousand foot cliff, with a view in several directions, on his cliff. Men come to him and tell him they are at war with him. Why cannot you leave me alone? The dreamer asks, I have done away with these things. I have ceased to be anything but a private man. And then the story ends with the man and the woman being killed. Also in the late

70s, Vicki started to have visions that she thought were sent to her by God. So that's fun. While in the bathtub, one night, Vicki claimed that she had visions from God about their deaths and about great violence in a cabin on a mountain top. So pretty eerie. Or did it just make sense, right? Is this all about self-fulfilling prophecy? Would they end up just living out a lot of their own drama? They were also dreaming about living on a mountaintop removed from society at this time. So it does make sense as she was thinking about mountaintops. And they were worried about, you know, a government coming for them. So it actually does make sense based on her thought processes. Randy also had visions. So both of them having prophetic visions,

you know, reading a ton of doomsday shit, weird that this would lead to something bad. Randy dreamed of a configurations of buildings on a hillside, a cabin and outbuildings. You know, buildings he would later build himself. Randy and Vicki also begin to identify as literalists because they believed that the Bible was the literal word of God and that all of it must be taken as truth, even the laws of the Old Testament, which many churches now treat as arcane and kind of irrelevant dogma, literalism. I'm going to risk being super offensive again and say that literalism is fucking nonsense. Anyone who claims to truly be a biblical literalist concerning the Old Testament, I think

you're kidding yourself. Right? There are hundreds of things that the Old Testament prohibits you not to do. I have never met a single Christian who literally follows all of the Bible, including the Old Testament, not a single one. And you have an either, right? If you follow it literally, you're supposed to do so many rules. You're not supposed to mix fabrics, right?

So don't be a fabric mix in heathen. Leviticus 19, 19, King James version, you shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your livestock breed with another kind. You shall not sow your field with mixed seed, nor shall a garment of mixed linen and wool come upon you. No interpretation. Take that literally. You don't get to wear a polyester blend tracksuit. You fucking sinner. How dare you mix your fabrics? Right? That's the one thing that really chaps God's ass, the mixin of the fabrics. You're also not supposed to trim your beard either, if you're going to take it literally. Leviticus 1927, you shall

not shave around the sides of your head nor shall you just figure the edges of your beard. No room for interpretation there, right? You gotta let your hair grow out. You know, despite a lot of bleep to the contrary, God only loves hippies. So stop offending God. You clean shave and dip shit. Look at you with your perfectly faded hair. No wonder the Westboro Baptist Church is so mad at the US military. They all got their fucking devil haircuts. I think you see how ridiculous it is to truly take it all literally. Again, I've never met a literalist who follows all of the Bible teachings. Literally, I've met a ton who do a lot of cherry picking, right?

This first lines up with the, you know, other beliefs they already have, so they'll follow that one, but they won't follow this other one, et cetera. So the weavers are getting crazier. And again, I feel like I'm researching people like I knew growing up in Riggins. One family in particular who I will not name, a family who also worried about the collapse of the US economy because of the dollar not being backed by gold.

A family who also was convinced of Armageddon coming soon, a family who claimed to be literalist. They like to follow biblical quotes such as Leviticus 1822. Now, shall not lie with mankind as with woman kind. It is an abomination, super homophobic. But then they would ignore the book of the rest of Leviticus, verses like 1933 and 1934, which instructs one to be kind and welcoming to immigrants. How often has this one been preached? It says in the King James Version, If a stranger sojorn with thee in your land, you shall

not becks him, but the stranger that dwells with you shall be unto you as one born, born among you. And you shall love him as yourself. For you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am the Lord, your God. Right? Supposed to welcome immigrants, according to Leviticus. Treat them as your own. Treat them as one of you because you were once an immigrant. Sorry if I'm going overboard, driving some of these points home, but it does piss me off because I just, it fucking is one of you because you were once an immigrant. Sorry if I'm going overboard driving some of these points home, but it does piss me off because I just it fucking is one of the things that chast my ass more than anything else in the world because of my upbringing. People who like, oh, you got to follow you. Look at this. Look what it says right here. Yeah, then take it all motherfucker. If you're going to be literalist, then follow

it all or shut the fuck up. Oh, man, Randy, we have a reminder to be so much of people I grew up knowing. I feel like I truly understand where him and Vicki were coming from. I think there's some good lessons to be learned from their tragedy that their life became. I don't think that they were all bad people. And we're totally bad. I just think they were bad. Shit, crazy in some ways. I think they wanted to live moral lives.

But then I think, you know, they fell into this kind of weird dogmatic trap of literalist interpretation and they succumbed to all this apocalyptic nonsense and it did them a great disservice. As I think it does to everyone else who follows that line of thought. The weavers decided they would only read the King James version of the Bible going forward because Vicki now believes that all other translations are not divinely inspired and are pagan influenced. I've heard that rhetoric, rhetoric too. My paternal grandma once told me that all Catholics were going to burn in hell for sure because

Satan had infiltrated the early Catholic church and destroyed the Bible. Fucking craziness. They started having lots of Bible study sessions at home. There would be anywhere from four to 10 people at the Weaver's house, sometimes it's often it's four nights a week talking about all this. Randy led the Bible study most of the time, but everyone read chapters and commented on what they might mean. Vicki was a scripturalist and scholar of the group, or the main one.

It was as if she had memorized the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, Acts to Zechariah. She knew what God wanted. She was convinced that she knew she convinced Randy what she knew. And if Randy knew something, he found impossible not to tell other people about it. He was that kind of guy, co-workers, neighbors. He wanted to talk to everyone. Everything with him was either right or it was wrong. It's very much like black and white, rigid thinking, you know, he tossed off authoritative opinions constantly. In the late 70s, he began to warn anyone who would listen about current politics, tell them to repent, launch into biblical prophecy regarding the end times.

You know, he sounded like he was becoming someone I would much rather throw down the stairs and have to listen to for more than 10 minutes. It wasn't long before Randy found a group of about 10 other men who felt the same way he did. They were born again, coffee swilling Christians who met at a theater falls restaurant called Sambo's. They'd meet there at night debating and sharing scripture. He was super into all this. He's talking about it once a week at the diner. He's talking about it three, four times, you know, more every week with Vicki and friends at home. At one home Bible study, Randy and Vicki interpreted a verse of Revelation, the beast causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond,

to receive a mark in their right hand or on their foreheads. And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name, and his number is 603 score and six. Six, six, six, the beast. Randy said this was a metaphor for computers soon. He said everyone would be cataloged on computers, births, schooling, purchases, homes, every credit card connected as they are by computers would mark people with the number of the beast. Vicki said, of course, once the currency was devalued and finally changed, no man could buy or sell without a credit card without 666.

There was going to be a big social breakdown, Randy would say, the government would use the opportunity to declare martial law, crushing democracy, killing the good Christian Americans, people would be riding the streets. The traitorous government would turn against its own people. The only protection would be clusters of good Christians with guns. And this might be a good time to point out that there's still a decent percentage of Northern Idaho and some who have very similar beliefs living here currently. One of the last times I walked into the local neutral shop

two employees were openly talking about Hollywood elites making sacrifices to the demon boffamette as if that was a a normal thing to believe and be okay to talk about in front of customers. I remember my dad talking about stuff like that in the early 90s. He briefly returned to his fundamentalist, Doomsday Roots. And I remember he and my stepmom at the time talking about how the new world order government was going to implant chips and all the citizens and have the mark of the beast.

And you know, and if you didn't have the mark of the beast, you would be able to buy or sell. You have to basically take off and hide out the hills and barter or fend for yourself. Wait for the end time. It's also crazy. We will have chip implant someday and it will be glorious because then we will have to worry about losing our credit cards anymore. Right? It's just a different form of credit card that happens to be under your skin. It'll be convenient and it's not going to have shit to do with the Christian devil.

In the early 80s, after years of being super into all this, all this apocalyptic shit, having their prophetic visions and so many Bible study sessions, Randy and Vicki decided it was time to get off the grid and head to Northern Idaho. Awesome. Vicki came up with a plan of surviving the apocalypse that involved moving away from corrupt civilization, and the Weaver family did just that in the early 80s. They moved to a 20 acre property and remote Ruby Ridge, Idaho, built a cabin there, paid only $5,000 cash for the land.

Right there, using some market, the beast credit card. I'm going to write some kind of devil check. I'm sure they use a check, but you know, you know what I mean? I can use some kind of devil credit. They built their home cheaply as well, doing the work themselves, used mainly leftover materials, just kind of like the thrift store equivalent of a house. They homeschooled their kids, guns and God, as well as writing in arithmetic and live pretty much off the grid.

They had no electricity, no running water. And for the next 10 years, they raised seemingly happy, healthy and kind of end of the time, zombie apocalypse ready kids. And then the apocalypse did not happen. But hell did come to the weavers and form in the form of an arm standoff with U.S. law enforcement. We're going to get to the standoff that would put the weavers into the national spotlight during today's time stock timeline in just a moment. But first, let's look at the history of the white supremacy movement that would surround the weavers, important to today's narrative, would surround them in Ruby Ridge,

and surround their story in the media, the stigma of white supremacists involved in the Ruby Ridge standoff, haunts Northern Idaho to this day. It's so annoying. When I told some of my Los Angeles friends, I was heading to Northern Idaho, Skinheads was one of the first words they tossed around.

When I asked them to come visit and see that it wasn't so bad, several of my Jewish friends half jokingly said that they would never visit Northern Idaho. Mixing things up with some local white supremacists is where the real trouble began for the weavers. While Randy Weaver never officially joined the area nations, much of his standoff story revolves around the ideas of that group. Randy has been labeled a white supremacist and neo-Nazhi, white nationalist by the media. According to Weaver himself, he never embraced their ideology. However, he did attend several summertime camp meetings at a nearby area in brotherhood compound in

Haydnido over several years with his family. He brought his kids, which you know, kind of fucked up. He may not have been a white supremacist, but when the area nations told him to come over for a get together, he didn't decline the invitation and then he came back over and over again. Why would you do that? Outside of doing that as a joke where you fuck with them and then post it on social medial later to make them look like ass clowns, why would you actually go to a white supremacist compound?

I sure as hell would not do that. Even though part of me would really want to go just to see how fucking crazy those people are because I am curious. I want to go in the same way I'd want to sneak into like some insane cult compound just to see what they really do behind closed doors. Well, would I bring my family just to hang out and enjoy the company of white supremacist? No, but we've or did. And I don't think it's right to overlook how terrible of a choice that was.

In an effort to be fair to Randy. I mean, he and Vicki would cite differences in religious beliefs between themselves and the group, but again, they went numerous times. So they were, you know, at the very least, I think it's safe to say they were pre-racist. And definitely racist. Definitely racist towards Jewish people. The ideology of the Aerie Nations is largely mostly anti-Semitic, a lot of new world order, biblical Armageddon prophecy interpretation mumbo jumbo.

And a later interview about his racial beliefs, Randy said when he questioned about believing in a secret cabal of Jewish people running things and wanting to make life hell for Gentiles, he said, well, it's not all the Jews. So yeah, he's pre-racist. Regardless of how racist he was or wasn't, to get some extra context that will help us understand what led to the siege on Ruby Ridge, we should look into a bit of the white supremacy movement here in the US.

We covered some of this during our KKK suck, episode 50. So we won't go too deep here today, but it's been a while since that suck and worth going over this area of information again, and we'll add some information I haven't covered before as well. And we'll get into this history lesson. Right after a quick word from our first sponsor, today's time suck is brought to you

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At first, start off with a little racist skinhead classic like romper stopper, pull on the boots, Reverend Dr. Joe Paisley, if you could kick off the chorus for us. Yeah, not a problem. Hmm? Skinhead, skinhead running through the night making lots of trouble starting lots of fights. Spin, don't spin, don't get a really pissed. Spin, don't think, don't think, don't think, don't think, don't think, don't think, and then when they think that you're cool with their hateful ways, you transition

into Paul McCartney and Stevie Wonder's Ebony and Ivory. Where the lyrics are all about racial harmony. Reverend Dr. Joe, could you help me with the start of that song? Give it a go, okay? Abony and ivory Lincter and perfling Don't think, don't think Don't think, don't think Bling, bing, bing, bing Bling, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, Bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang to shit out of some racism, he'll never. And I just want to be clear. Yeah, yeah. We're denouncing it. Denouncing it, right?

Exactly, exactly. I want to make sure everyone knows that. I did ask Joe before the episode if he could just memorize some skinhead lyrics, but to be clear, we did that so that we could denounce it. Very clear, we know it doesn't look great out of context. It sure does it.

Good sure does it. But I'm an enrol. Thank you. Yeah, we're going to air pluck the head away, you guys. Okay, that was fun. Now let's head back to the 1960s. And thank you, Joe, for doing that. Joe, I'm sure that was very uncomfortable. It's okay.

So is my life. And, uh, okay, we're going to head back to the 1960s and talk about people of different races not getting along. One of my favorite decades in American history, as far as just being so interesting, so much change going on, some of it good, some of it bad. In the 1960s, the Christian identity theology, formally a fairly benign expression of what is known as British-Israeliism or Anglo-Israeliism, began to spread through the US and Canada, particularly on the west coast of these nations, and it took some ugly turns.

This belief holds that white Americans and Canadians are the real descendants of the biblical tribes of Israel, and then this belief morphed into a form of anti-Semitism and then into white supremacy. In 2003, author Nicole Nichols, an expert on far right racist and religious groups in America, defined the concept of this Christian identity as practiced by many white supremacists and separatist groups.

She wrote that Christian identity became not an organization, but an ideology that many organizations adopted in some form or fashion. She said that Christian identity elevates white supremacy and separatism to a godly ideal, calling it the ideological, the theological, the ideological fuel that fires much of the activity of the racist far right. According to this Christian identity theology, Jewish people are neither the true Israelites nor the true chosen people of God. Instead, Christian identity proponents claim that Jews are descended from an asiatic people known as the Kazaars, who settled near the black seed during the Middle Ages. And then God's chosen people were in fact the Germanic Anglo-Saxon Celtic Nordic Aryan

people. And those of kindred blood are the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and hence the descendants of the ancient Israelites. Classic historical rewriting, right? The Jews are not God's people. The white man is always has been, and the Jews have been lying to and tricking the white man for over 2000 years. Michael Barkin, a reported expert on radical right groups, said, the virulent racist and anti-Semitic theology is

prevalent among many right-wing extremist groups and has been called the glue of the racist far right. One of the most influential documents that many of these modern anti-Semitic groups and individual sight is proof of a Jewish conspiracy to keep the white man down is the protocols of the elders of Zion. Now, we've covered this bullshit document in a few past sucks and also on the secret suck, but it's been a minute and some important propaganda to continually denounce from time to time. So I'll throw a throw down another overview of the protocols here. It's fooled a lot of people for a long time.

Continues to cause racism, hate, and harm. It's also very interesting. The protocols of the elders of Zion also called protocols of the learned elders of Zion and the blame the Jews for anything and everything. Chronicles, it's a fraudulent document that is served as pretext in rationale for a lot of anti-semitism mainly in the 20th century and the 21st century.

Document is purported to be a report of a series of 24 meetings in some versions, 27 and others, held in Basil, Switzerland in 1897 at the time of the first Zionist Congress. And that meeting of the first Zionist Congress did occur. Roughly 200 Jewish community leaders from 17 different nations did meet to discuss the goal of forming a Jewish state in Palestine. Since at the time, the Jewish people had no country to call home and had been living as nomadic people for centuries. Roughly 50 of the attendees were from Russia. 10 Christians also attended his guests, so they could monitor and watch

in hopes that the world wouldn't freak out over what the Jewish people might be up to. And the event attracted a fair amount of media attention worldwide. Most of the coverage had the tone of what exactly are the Jews up to. And then life went on and the media was largely forgotten about for most for a couple years. And then a Russian anti-Semitic propaganda is living in France, Pierre Ivanovich Rajkowski, a member of the ZAR secret police, wrote the protocols, alleged to be a record of what was really talked about at the Zionist Congress when the Christians weren't around. The Russian government had been anti-Semitic and worried about the Jewish people for decades.

Propaganda was nothing new for them. This propaganda just became far more successful than most of their earlier propaganda. Raczkowski wrote that the Jews in the Freemasons were have said to made plans to disrupt Christian civilization and erect a world state, one world government, the new world order, right under their joint rule. Liberalism and socialism were to be the means of subverting Christiandom. If subversion failed, all the capitals of Europe were to be sabotaged. These protocols, this propaganda, were printed in Russia in abbreviated form in 1903, in a popular newspaper, and then again in 1905. And then they were translated into German,

French, English, and other European languages, and then soon became to be a classic of anti-Semitic literature. In the United States, Henry Ford's private newspaper, Dearborn Independent, often cited these protocols as evidence of the Jewish threat. Ford was so worried about the Jewish people trying to take over the world that he funded the printing of 500,000 copies of this distributed throughout the US in the 1920s. The fraudulent nature of the protocols was first revealed in 1921 by Philip Graves at the Times in London who demonstrated their obvious resemblance to a satire on Napoleon III by a French lawyer, Maurice Jolie, published

in 1864. It was just a plagiarism. And then subsequent investigation, particularly between Russian historian Vladimir Bertsev revealed that the protocols were forgeries that also had partially plagiarized the satire of Jolie, a fantastic novel by Herman Goach published in 1868, and then there were other sources. So the author just pulled from a bunch of existing sources and twisted it to meet his own agenda. It was proven by academics to be a forgery, but by the time it was proven, the damage was already done.

Everyone reads the headline, almost no one reads the retraction. A problem that continues to this day. The protocols talked about a conspiracy to destroy Christianity and control the world that included a plan to take over the media has laid out in the 12th protocol, which read, literature and journalism are two of the most important educative forces and therefore our government will become proprietor of the majority of the journals. It will put us in possession of a tremendous influence upon the public mind. And to this day, you still see cries on the internet of the Jews control the media. The 17th protocol warns of a direct attack on Christianity.

As part of this conspiracy, the Pope and the church will be annihilated so that only years divide us from the moment of the complete wrecking of the Christian religion. The final takeover will be achieved financially as stated in the 21st protocol that reads, we shall replace the money markets by grandiose government credit institutions, the object of which will be to fix the price of industrial values and accordance with government views. You may imagine for yourselves what immense power we shall thereby secure for ourselves. And again, to this day, there are cries on the internet of the Jews have all the money. There are concerns by some about credit because of its relation initially to this document,

right? It's relation to the mark of the beast. It's part of the end times. The protocols make it seem as if the Jewish people are responsible for a number of past and present disasters from the downfall of Christian monarchies to the French revolution, to the advancement of liberal and bourgeois ideas. The protocols contain a number of metaphors essential to conspiracy vocabulary, such as the invisible hand that pushes pieces on a chessboard. The plotters are portrayed as poisons snakes, spiders weaving their webs, wolves ready

to devour Christian sheep. The last protocols describe the future reign of the Jews in Christian terms announcing the coming of a king of the Jews, who will be the real Pope of the universe, the patriarch of an international church. In addition to the protocols and building upon them, there was also American preacher Wesley Swift's influence on the white supremacy movement. In the 1940s, a former Methodist minister, Wesley Swift, started his own church, later known as the Church of Jesus Christ Christian.

And Wesley Swift was like the propagandist writer of the protocols of Zion, like how Lindsey, a huge piece of shit. Swift had deep ties to a number of radical religious right wing groups, including the Ku Klux Klan. Swift and his associates set the stage for the mutation of the Christian identity movement into a loosely organized set of virulently anti-Semitic racist belief systems that came to be grouped together as under the Christian identity rubric. Swift himself taught that only the white race was created in the form of God, while Asian and African races were created from beasts of the fields.

Thusly they are subhuman creations and not part of God's people. In Swift's version of Genesis, Eve, the wife of the first true man, Adam was seduced by the serpent who mass-graded as a white man. Eve bore a son from her union with this snake, Kane, who he asserted was the actual father of the Jewish people. He said the Jewish people were the literal descendants of Satan. This reinterpretation sometimes called the two seed or seed line or theory supports the Christian identity propensity to demonize

Jews whom Swift and others continue to label as the spawn of Satan. Today's white Europeans and their American and Canadian descendant Swiftot are descended from the true God of Adam and Eve, Abel, and are the actual chosen people of God. Some Christian identity adherents add on to this claim and claim that subhuman pre-ademic races existed and spawned the non-white races of the world, which they have labeled as the mud people. So, Jesus Christ. I mean, why do people complicate their lives with this kind of shit?

All the real problems in the world of disease and economic inequality, the real struggle of trying to find love and you know, and the work that goes into maintaining a career and forming and maintaining friendships and family relationships and on and on. And some people want to add a bunch of imaginary struggles to their applied as well. Right. There are a lot of things to be worried about in the world. Jewish people being Satan's minions, not one of them. The more people just need to get better hobbies to fucking fix this, like, what the fuck? Take all the time you're spending trying

to analyze convoluted nonsensical conspiracies and learn to play, I don't know, the guitar or something. Maybe speak a new language, right? I don't know how to get a, I don't know, study for a black belt in martial arts or something. Do something productive. With all that free time, fucking ignorant weirdos. Now back to the 60s for a bit before we launched

into the timeline, in the 1960s, a new group of Christian identity leaders emerged to spread radical racist identity theology throughout America and Canada. The most prominent among them were three disciples of Wesley Swift. James K. Warner, William Potter Gale, then the man most important to today's tale, Richard Butler.

Warner would move to Louisiana and play a leading role in the fight against civil rights there. Gail, an early leader of the Christian defense league and his paramilitary arm, the California Rangers would go on to form, to found the posse comatatus in 1969, a group that would help bring around, bring around. Sorry, my broken sinuses drive me crazy, makes it so extra hard to pronounce anything. He would go help bring around the sovereign citizen movement, sovereign, sovereign citizens believe that they, not judges,

jury's law enforcement or elected officials, get to decide which laws to obey, which to ignore, and they don't think they should have to pay taxes. And they have all this crazy rationale to back up this belief that it's far too complicated and convoluted to break down today. It's madness. And there are people who believe a Jewish shadow government has sold US citizens in an international slavery. And it's insane. We could easily devote a full suck to the sovereign citizen movement. And then the important thing to note as far as Randy Weaver, there're people who don't believe they're obligated to listen to the government. They should have to be taxes and they don't have to follow laws. Then there's Richard Butler, a character crucial to today's story, the dude who ran the Aryan nation compound that Randy brought his family to and

Hayden Lake, you know, a visit that led to more visits that led to a crime, led to an arrest warrant that led to the Ruby Ridge standoff. Butler moved Wesley Swift's Church of Jesus Christ Christian to Northern Idaho and recast it as a neo-Nazi group, the area nations in the early 70s. Under the leadership of Butler, Gail Warner, others, the Christian identity movement permeated most of the far right, right?

You know, including the clan, the race of skinhead organization known as the hammer skins. Christian identity enclaves provided trail of safe, or would provide a trail of safe havens for movement activists stretching from Hayden Lake in Northern Idaho to, you know, the Oklahoma Arkansas border. Many white supremacists on the run from federal authorities, you know, would find shelter and support from these Christian identity followers. While Randy and Vicki Weaver may or may not have been interested in these ideas, they did worry about a secret one world Jewish government, and they did share these groups concern over an intimate apocalypse brought on by this Jewish

conspiracy. Many Christian identity adherents believe that the biblical apocalypse is coming soon. They believe Jesus Christ will return to earth only after a time of tribulation, great battle between good and evil. It'll set the stage for the return of Christ and the final transformation of the world. Identity followers believe it's their duty to prepare for the apocalypse.

And this is terrifying. Some of them actually believe it is their duty to help bring about the apocalypse. They tend to cast the apocalypse in racial terms, whites versus non-whites. Identity adherents believe the world institutions will collapse during the end times. Therefore, tend to distrust. They tend to distrust such institutions, making identity theology appealing to anti-government types, you know, in militia types. In the 21st century, Christian identity groups are strongest in the Pacific Northwest of America and Canada and in the US Midwest, though identity churches can be found throughout

the US and in other parts of Canada. Identity churches also exist in Ireland, Great Britain, Australia, and South Africa. Estimates about how many members of these groups are varied from about 25,000 to 50,000. Identity adherents have committed a number of violent acts often against the government and or financial institutions. In February of 1983, identity adherent Gordon Call killed two US marshals who attempted to arrest him on a parole violation and then killed an Arkansas sheriff before finally being gunned down by authorities. Why? Because he thought the police were serving an unjust, Zionist shadow government.

Because he thought killing those officers would help usher in the apocalypse. The white supremacist terrorist group, the order contained a number of identity members, including David Tate, who killed a Missouri highway patrol officer, while attempting to flee an identity survivalist compound on April 15, 1985. During the 1980s, small identity groups, such as the new order, aka the order two, and the Arizona Patriots committed bombings at armed car robberies. After the Oklahoma City bombing of April 19, 1995, identity minister Willie Ray Lampley attempted a number of his own bombings.

In 1996, the Montana Freeman, led by identity members engaged in an 81-day standoff with federal authorities. Between 1996 and 1998, Eric Robert Rudolph, who was connected to identity ministers Nord Davis and Dan Gaiman, bombed in Atlanta, gay bar, bombed several abortion clinics and the Atlanta summer Olympics. In 1999, identity member and former Northern Idaho, Arian nation's compound security guard, Buford Furrow, went on a shooting spree at a Jewish community center in Los Angeles, wounding a five year old boy, boy, two six-year-old boys, a 16-year-old girl, and a 68-year-old woman,

and he also killed a 39-year-old man. The FBI, the ACLU, and the Southern Poverty Law Center, as well as many mainstream media outlets constantly report the domestic terrorism from these groups is more of a threat to American citizens than Islamic terrorism. So good job. You racist shit for brain idiots.

You so called patriots more of a threat to America than ISIS. There's also a connection between these racist Christian identity groups, the weavers, and the Oklahoma City bombing of 1985. Timothy McVey, the most famous name associated with the Oklahoma City bombing, you know, will be appalled by the government's conduct in Ruby Ridge, as is his friend Terry Nichols with whom he's living with. McVeigh closely was following the events of Ruby Ridge, both in local newspapers and in publications such as the white supremacist separatist publication Spotlight.

And he felt that mainstream media gave only the government's version of the events. Later he would recall this as a defining moment in his life in a book titled American terrorists based on prison interviews given by McVeigh to two reporters. McVeigh targeted the federal building in retaliation for the Ruby Ridge and Waco branch to Vittian tragedies. McVeigh would of course bomb a federal building in Oklahoma city where the blast killed 168 people, including 19 children, more than 500 others injured. Okay. Now that I've laid out a lot of the backstory for our primary characters, right? And the ideology they would be surrounded with in Northern Idaho, we can get into and properly understand their standoff. The 90s were a weird time in America for homegrown terrorism.

Right before we get into our timeline, a word from today's real sponsors. And now it is time for today's time suck timeline. Shrap on those boots soldier, we're marching down a time-sub-time line. Okay, let's head back just for a few details we missed earlier to the 70s. In March of 1976, while the Weavers lived in Sear Falls, Iowa, Vicki gives birth to the couple's first child, Sarah. 1978, Vicki begins having visions of her and her future family living on a mountain top. But they'd be safe from the coming apocalypse. The weavers formed a Bible study group we talked about earlier that began to worry about.

Zog, Zionist, organized government, Randy starts collecting guns, Vicki studies self-sufficiency and survivalist techniques. In July of 78, as the couple began to search for a mountaintop retreat, Vicki gives birth to a son Samuel. In 1982, Vicki gives birth to a second daughter Rachel while still in Iowa. In 1983, the Weaver sell their Iowa home in head, west, in August, finding and buying that 20-acre parcel on Ruby Ridge in Northern Idaho.

In 1984, in March, the weavers completed construction on their no electricity, no run and water haven't cabined, began living on Ruby Ridge, they would begin homeschooling their children. Now, this weirds me out. Thinking about two families whose homes are on either side of the house directly behind mine. They are fundamentalist religious types who also homeschool their kids. And you can kind of wonder if they're teaching their kids about some Zionist shadow government. I wonder if they're preparing them for the apocalypse.

I wonder if their kids are getting vaccinated. You know, I love Corde of Lane, but I would love it more if we had less of these paranoid weirdos living around me. I mean, when the apocalypse does come, I think I feel like I should probably use my guns to kill those people first, right? I mean, they probably apocalypse does come, I think I feel like I should probably use my guns to kill those people first, right? I mean, they probably have the best apocalypse preparations.

And if I can take them out, I'll have years worth of dry goods and water purification tablets so I can use to keep my family safe. Joking around about this stuff, I remember my dad telling me when I was living in the Spokane of my 20s about how a shit went down, I was to drive as fast as I could to get to the little salmon river canyon south of Riggins where we had enough ammo and wild game and clean water to survive, you know, some type of apocalyptic economic collapse. Make a stand for ourselves when the NWO, right, their forces came to enslave America. Then enough of that crazy got into me that I do take some comfort living here in Northern

Idaho. Think that if shit does go down, I don't think that it will. But if it does, I'm in a pretty good place to survive it. I'm learning so much about myself and the suck. I feel like I'm studying my own upbringing. I relate way more than I care to to Randy Weaver's survivalist mentality. In the mid 80s, the Weaver's taken a fatherless and troubled teenager named Kevin Harris. They're crazy, but they're not all bad. They also begin doubling down on some racist and

antisemitic views around this time, finding justification for them and their interpretations of the Bible. You know, they now, you know, begin to limit their association with those who don't share their kind of like-minded views. They got a nice echo chamber going. Nothing like surrounding yourself with, you know, only those who share your misguided views to really solidify those views. In January of 1995, the US Secret Service, the USS investigates allegations from neighbors of Randy Weaver that Weaver has been threatening to kill president Reagan, governor, John Evans, and others unspecified law enforcement officials.

That's Idaho governor, John Evans, the weaver's neighbor, Terry Kinnison, and the weaver family get into a $3,000 land dispute, which Kinnison loses and is forced to pay an extra $2,100 damages and court costs. And Kinnison would be the one to inform the FBI that weaver had threatened to kill the president, the pope, the governor of Idaho, law enforcement, others. And you know, something Kinnison was just trying to frame him. While Kinnison may have been getting back at Randy because he was pissed about the land dispute, I doubt he made up these claims.

I doubt he was lying about the threats. I mean, the more I've learned about Randy and Vicki, and, you know, the more we're going to learn, this seems exactly like the type of thing that they would do. The Secret Service learns through interviews that Weaver is also associated with members of Richard Butler's area nations compound. So, you know, Weaver's gone off the fucking rails, living out on a remote mountain in a shack with no electricity, no running water, place he built himself, homeschooled his kids, hanging out with skinheads, waiting for the apocalypse.

Now in all likelihood, he's threatening to kill leaders of the government. Right, the government he does think is in bed with some sort of Zionist new world order shadow one world government, right? Secret Service interviews weaver who denies his affiliation with Ari nations. He denies making threats against President Reagan and governor Evans. Of course, he does. It's deny or go to jail. He's crazy, but he's not stupid. No charges are filed against Weaver as a result of his alleged threats. On February 28, 1975, Randy and Vicki Weaver filed an affidavit with the boundary county Idaho clerk claiming that false allegations made to the Secret Service were part of an elaborate plot designed to provoke federal authorities and to storming their home and taking their land. Weaver writes, right, this is

something he sends to the government. He writes he may have to defend himself and his family from physical attacks on his life. Jesus Christ. He had such a huge hand in creating the horrible situation that would happen in 1992. It's like he and Vicki's insane belief system just willed what would happen to them in to existence. They worried so much about the government storming and taking their property that they did a bunch of shit that led to the government right coming out of their property. So sad, you know, if you just wouldn't have been such a paranoid lunatic, none of this would have happened.

In 1985, like a crazy person, we've been right to letter to President Reagan, apologizing for false allegations made by his neighbors against him. God, I wish I could access a copy of this letter. I bet it is so good. Dear Mr. President, this is handy, Randy. Me and Sticky Vicki would like to clear some stuff up. I know that some of your secret service agents have told you that I'm stockpiling weapons and hanging out with Richard Butler and his anti government, airy nation types. And

then I want to kill you. I want to kill the governor of Idaho. I want to kill for all of those who work for you crooked anti American politicians. And that is not true. I'm just a regular guy who left a good job in Iowa and moved north of Idaho to live off the grid in a shack with no electricity or running water, who refuses to let his kids go to school, would they would undoubtedly be indoctrinated into your Zionist anti-Christian satanic one-world government agenda and have had to, I would not want my children to share classrooms with subhuman mud people. Vicki and I just want to live out our lives in peace until the inevitable race war breaks

out. They'll proceed the rapture that how Lindsey assures me is coming any day now, where God will destroy you and all the other crooked politicians who began selling out our citizens in the international slavery when the gold standard was no longer used to back up our currency. Please do not think I want to kill you. Not yet. God will do that shortly. I will not kill you unless God gives me the green light.

Tell Nancy, hello, God bless you. You say Tannick Puppet. Sincerely, handy Randy Weaver. I bet it wasn't that far off of that. In July of 1986, a Bureau of Alcohol, tobacco and firearms and format named Kenneth Fadley, or Fadley, is introduced to Weaver at the World Arian Congress and Hayden Lake, Idaho. Weird, I thought he wasn't hanging out with us guys.

I thought that's what he said in his letter. Fadley meets Weaver again in January, 1967 at another area and get together. Also in July of 1877. And also in July of 1989 at another area in world Congress. So weird. He's not hanging out hanging out with these guys yet. He's hanging out with them all the time. Weird that he won't let his kids go to public school. God knows what kinds of influences they'll get there. But he will let his kids on a regular basis hang out with skinheads. I gotta say the more I learn about Randy Weaver, the less I care for it. At the July 1989 Congress, Weaver invites the BATF informant, Fadley, to his house to

discuss forming a group to fight against the Zionist organized government, Zog. Handy Randy is fucking mad. On October 11th, 1989, Faley meets with Weaver at a restaurant in San Point, Idaho. At which time Weaver says he can supply sought-off shotguns to Faley for the upcoming revolution, like a psychopath. Randy recalls that Faleyley first wanted machine guns, but Randy couldn't do that.

He didn't have access to machine guns, but he could saw down the barrels of some shotguns. On October 24th, Randy Weaver sells two sawdust shotguns to Fadley in a park and standpoint for $700, which is illegal. After selling them to Fadley, he also starts to think that Fadley might be an informant. In November, Fadley breaks contact with Randy and then weaver accuses him of being a cop.

Be an ATF agent, Herbert Byrley submits a case on May 21st, 1990 about the ATF's ongoing investigation in the area nation's compound to the US Attorney's Office in Boise, recommending that weaver be prosecuted for the illegal sale of Sadow shotguns. ATF agents, Byrley and Steve Gunderson approach Randy and Sandpoint in a attempt to enlist him to be an informant regarding the illegal activities of Aryan nation's members. Weaver says that he will not be a snitch. He then notifies his buddies at the Aryan nation's headquarters, that the government is attempting to infiltrate their group.

So he for sure is fairly close with these guys. What happened to the young soldier who is willing to snrate their group. Right. So he for sure is, you know, fairly close with these guys. What happened to the young soldier who is willing to snitch about the illegal confiscation of drugs on base because that was the right thing to do. Apparently that, that kid is dead. Randy has changed so much since his idealistic early Idaho, Iowa days. December 13th, 1990, a federal grand jury in the District of Idaho indites weaver for manufacturing and possessing unregistered firearms.

On January 17th, 1991, ATF agents posing as stranded motorists, arrest Weaver at gunpoint on weapons charges. He apparently tells the arresting agents, nice trick, you'll never do that again, right? Randy is, yeah, you get a little crazier, a little crazier all the time. January 18, 1991, Weaver is a rain before US magistrate judge Steven M. Iars right here in Cordellay, Idaho. Judge Iars appoints Everett Hoffmeister as counsel for Weaver and releases him on $10,000 personal reconnaissance bond directs him to appear at US District Court for his trial on February 19th, 1991 on January 21st, Randy receives a letter informing him that his trial date has been rescheduled

for March 20th, although the actual date was February 20th. So little fuck up here on January 22nd, we recalls probation officer Carl Reikens pursuant to the terms of his condition of release Weaver calls probation officer Carl Reikens pursuant to the terms of his condition of release. On February 5th, U.S. District Court clerk and Boise or a U.S. District Court clerk in Boise, Idaho sends a notice to the parties including Weaver that his trial date has been changed to February 20th. So now he does know the real date, but then on February 7th, the U.S. Attorney's Office and Boise receives two letters. Oh, no, excuse me. Then on February 7th, U.S. Attorney's Office and Boisey receives two letters. Oh, no, excuse me.

Then on February 7th, the US Attorney's Office and Boisey receives two letters from Vicki Weaver, dated January 21st and February 3rd, 1991, letters addressed to the Queen of Babylon. Oh, boy. The Queen of Babylon. Vicki, it's an important to note, just as crazy as Randy. The letters appeared to contain veiled threats. They're provided to law enforcement and boys. He wish I had a full copy of these letters as well, right?

Just dear queen of Babylon, sticky Vicki here. Handy Randy and I received your letter and form an ass of the change in court date. So your resign as government can prosecute my husband for being a patriot and wanting to fight to restore America to its place of rightful white glory. When the Jews were not pulling your puppet strings, the four horsemen of the apocalypse are riding towards you as I put pen to paper, pestilence, war, famine, death are coming. Repent about to God's glory before it is too late. Also can we please move the date of the summer? We don't have a snowblower and it can be a real pain in the rear to get

off the ridge during the winter months. Thank you, and God bless. Sticky Vicki and handy Randy. Also on the seventh, US probation officer, Colonel Reichen sends Randy Weaver, letter requesting Randy to contact him. He also messes up the date. He again refers to it as March 20th rather than February 20th. So goddamn it. Double check your dates when you're dealing with anti-government hot hits. On February 19th, 19th, 19th, 91, Weaver does not appear for trial and Moscow.

You know, on either the 19th or the 20th, Chief US District Court Judge Harold Reign issues of bench warrant for him. Now would he have appeared without the March 20th clerical error? We'll never know. If he had appeared, the whole standoff could have possibly been avoided. That being said, I'm not sure he would have showed up. He and Vicki clearly felt like the Zionist government was fucking with him.

On March 5th, Deputy US Marshals hunt and mace initiate contact with Bill and Judy grider, friends of the Weaver family. The griders give the marshals a letter signed by the Weaver family saying, we will not obey your lawless government. So there you go. They weren't going to show up. Right. The Weavers were architects of their own doom. They're making sure that their prophecies of a war with the government are going to come true. They just tell the US Mars Marshal Service quote, we will not obey your lawless government. The siege that follows was so very avoidable, right? You don't get to tell the government to fuck off. Not in any land, not even in the land of the free.

That's not how life works. You're being an idiot. Vicki Weaver continues to write threatening letters to the federal government by accessing old court documents at justice.gov. I was able to find an excerpt from one. This is what it read, which isn't that much less crazy than the stuff I was making up earlier. She wrote, a man cannot have two masters. Yahweh, Yahshua, Messiah, the anointed one of Saxon Israel is our law giver and our king. We will obey him and no others. A long, forgotten wind is starting to blow. Do you hear the approaching thunder?

Is it that of the awakened Saxon? War is upon the land. The tyrant's blood will flow. She's out of her mind. Right? They were idiots. You weren't living in a theocracy, lady. Like it or not, while we say God, in God we trust, we have a secular government. And if secular laws are not a bed, there are fucking punishments that God cannot save you from. If more people understood this, we'd all be better off. On March 14, 91, a federal grand jury in the District of Idaho

and Dites Weaver for failure to appear in court, the next day, March 15, the Weavers and their three children began an 18 month sit in at their cabin. Just go to your court date. You foolish stubborn asshole. Friends keep them supplied with what they need to get by. Friend and former boarder, Kevin Harris visits the cabin periodically and the US marshals begin to keep the cabin under surveillance, not because a big brother, but because they're not coming to their court date. I heard a lot about Ruby Ridge back when I was in high school. This part of the story about how they defiantly told the government to just a fuck off was conveniently left out of the narrative.

On March 18, 1991, chief deputy US Marshal Ron Evans, district of Idaho, provides the Marshal service with analysis of the family situation and requests assistance from the Marshal service as special operations group, SAUG. SAUG, SOG, pretty close to ZOG, all right, the thing that they're afraid of, design is government, pretty weird.

On March 28th, Evans briefed SAUG personnel at SAUG Tactical Center in Camp Bull regard, Louisiana on developments in the Weaver case. The decision is made to send the SAUG team to Idaho to gather information to develop a plan to arrest Randy Weaver. And again, all of this could have been avoided if Randy would have just went down to the court and been like, what do I got to do to deal with this?

Right? He was an anti-government nut job who refused to own up to selling legal weapons. Between June 17th to June 24th, the SAG reconnaissance team travels to Northeastern Idaho, conducts assessment on the Weaver case. The team develops a plan for the safer rest of Weaver on his property away from his wife and children. The plan describes Weaver as extremely dangerous and suicidal. July 19th 91 deputy marshal cluff and Weaver's appointed council, Everett Hoffmeister meet with

Rodney Wiley, a Wiley, a family friend, and they ask Wiley to try and it please convince Weaver to surrender. Wiley reports the following day that Weaver says he will not surrender because he fears his rights will be violated. And of course he thinks that he thinks the government is being controlled by satanic Jewish forces. The silly paranoid fuck is continuing to create an entirely unnecessary mess. September 28th, 1991, the Louisiana Sog team is dispatched in Northern Idaho. The plan to arrest weavers canceled though due to bad intel. On October 9th, senior deputy US Marshal Dave Hunt asked Alan Jepperson, another friend

of the weavers to please convey an offer of negotiations with the family. They're trying to get them to cooperate. The marshals begin to formulate formal surrender terms. They want this to end peacefully. They're trying to be fair. On October 12th, U.S. Hunt and U.S. Marshall Hunt, excuse me, and another U.S. Marshall, Ron Evans proposed offering formal surrender terms to weaver and request authorization from the U.S. Attorney's Office to do so. On October 17th, Assistant U attorney Ronald Howell sends a letter to Hunt Nevins directing all contact with Weaver must go through the Weaver's appointed attorney. In addition, House and does not authorize further negotiations with Weaver directly

as proposed by the marshals. October 21st, excuse me, October 24th, Vicki gives birth with all the government around them to a third daughter, Ellie Shiba. Ellie Shiba, of course, and named her daughter Ellie Shiba. Right? If you're a Zionist or if you're a standoff with authorities because you believe in a Zionist government, you're not going to name your daughter Pam or Michelle. Six months later on March 4th, 1992, Deputy US Marshal Jack

Cluff, Chief Deputy Marshal Ron Evans, drive up to the Weaver property in an unmarked vehicle. The Weavers are still camped out. They're met by Randy, armed with a rifle. He tells Cluff and Evans to get the fuck off his property. Right, tells him they're trespassing. He's holding the gun. They leave without incident. Again, so unnecessary. They're not coming up there to fuck. They're coming up there to get him to go to court because he's supposed to go to court. He just needlessly endanger in his family at this point. On March 8, 92, a full year since the standoff began, a local spoke hand news paper, The Spokesman Review, publishes a front page article about Randy Weaver, snubbing his nose at

the federal government and the national media picks up the story and runs with it. March 27th, acting Marshall Service Director Henry Hudson briefed on developments in the Weaver case. Hudson asked US Attorney Maurice Ellsworth to consider dismissing the warrant and re-issuing it under a seal. Ellsworth rejects this proposal. Hudson directs that any plan to arrest weaver must eliminate the possibility of harm to Vicki and the weaver children.

Marshall Service Enforcement Division Branch Chief Arthur Rodrick is given the primary responsibility for devising a suitable plan to arrest weaver. A three phase operational plan is developed. Again, at this point, the US government is trying their best to handle the situation peacefully, a situation entirely created by Randy Weaver and his family. All right, they're not picking on him. They're trying to arrest a man who refuses to come to court, who's been refusing for over a year now. Between April 2nd and April 12th, phase one of the operation plan, operation northern exposure is carried out by US marshals.

The marshals conduct surveillance on the property and determine technical requirements for additional surveillance. On April 13th, Acting Director Hudson approves the operation plan for phase two, during which surveillance cameras will be utilized to gather info about the family's daily actions so that options can be developed for phase three, the actual arrest of Randy, so much taxpayer money being devoted to arresting one stubborn shithead. And that pisses me off. I hate this waste of money. I hate that this fucker has been painted as some kind of patriotic hero by so many when all he did was waste a bunch of taxpayer money. So far, he just looks more like a domestic

terrorist than a hero to me. I do not feel bad about the handy Randy jokes now. From April 17 through the first week in May, Marshalls installed surveillance cameras on ridges overlooking the Weaver property, you know, getting more intel on April 18, the Marshall service is informed by that a TV crew from herald O'Revary's program now can be told, have been shot at while flying over the Weaver property in a helicopter. Weaver will deny this. The helicopter pilot Richard Weiss eventually does give evidence to the FBI denying this as well.

On May 5th, one of the Marshall Service surveillance cameras is destroyed by Randy. What is he thinking? If this is all just going to go away, that he can win this fight, that he can just wait it out. Or is he thinking the apocalypse will come and just deal with it? On May 27th, an undercover plan is developed by the Marshall Service now. After acting director, Hudson rejects plans to forcibly arrest weverse now. They're abandoning their previous plan.

Right? They're not going to go with a phase three after all the surveillance and just arresting with either Leith or are not only the weapons. They're like, nope, let's be more patient. Now they come up with an undercover operation that will involve the Marshall service by and a plot of land, north of the Weaver property.

Then two deputy marshals will go undercover, poses husband and wife, right? They'll visit, they'll develop the property, they'll start to build a fucking cabin and hope that the opportunity to arrest Weaver will arise, right? Out of the presence or outside the presence of other family members. This plan is put on a hold

pending Hudson's confirmation as director by the US Senate. The fact that this plan was even considered to me shows that the US government went to great lengths and was willing to spend a lot of money to arrest one dude for refusing to show up to his court date. Way to make a mountain out of a molehill Randy. The court of public opinion seems to see you as a victim. I do not.

In early August of 92 Hudson gives a verbal approval to the undercover plan after being confirmed as Marshall service director. On August 17th, Deputy Marshal's Diggand Cooper, Roderick Norris, Thomas and Hunt arrive in North Idaho to update intelligence for this undercover plan. Like they're actually going to try and go through with this. The Ruby Ridge command post has now grown into its own little city. They have a bridge that they had to build.

They had to widen some roads to accommodate all the agents involved in this plan. On August 20th, 92, deputy Marshalls, Roderick, Cooper, Deegan, and Hunt, along with some other local Marshalls and deputy sheriffs, use a firing range, West to spoke in Washington to test the weapons as part of, you know, internal Marshall service practices. The final phase of Operation Northern Exposure begins on August 21st at 2.30 a.m., a Marshall service team of Roderick Cooper Deacon Hunt, Norris and Thomas, leave a condominium at Switzer Mountain to begin surveillance of the Weaver residents. At 4 30 AM, the Marshall service team arrives at the residents of

neighbors Wayne and Ruth Rowe, park their vehicle and move to surveillance positions on Ruby Ridge. The team splits into two three man teams at what was called the Y, the observation post, OP team, Hunt, Norris and Thomas, go to the site above the Weaver compound, while the reconnaissance recon team, Roderick Cooper and Deegan, proceed up the trail from a Y in the terrain toward the family's cabin. At 9am, the recon team joins the OP team of the observation post above the cabin to discuss observations. The recon team then proceeds to an area 200 to 250 yards from the cabin where Roderick

tosses rocks in the direction of the Weaver home. The rocks are meant to see if they will alert the Weaver's Labrador retrievers and initially they don't. The recon team then moves to a garden spring house area below the cabin. Randy, Kevin and Sammy are outside and armed. They're always armed at this point. Sammy Weaver is 14 years old. My son, Kyler is 14.

And the thought of him making patrol the family property with the loaded rifle in his hand, while knowing that armed federal agents are patrolling the property because they want to arrest me, makes me fucking sick. It bothers me so much. I would never do that to my son. A father supposed to protect their family,

protect their children, not recklessly endanger them. How dare Randy involve his innocent son in his delusional standoff? Fight your own fights, right? I've bit my tongue numerous times, when I've dealt with nonsense for some crazed individuals, doing a little harassment online towards me in part because I'm a public figure, right?

There's things I wanted to say to them, things I wanted to email or whatever, and I haven't for the most part, mostly because I worry about retaliation, not coming back towards me, but coming back towards my kids. I never mentioned my home address publicly or say what school my kids go to, right?

The least I can do is try and keep them safe, you know, as much as we can in our kind of public world now. Randy didn't do any of this, man. He didn't seem to give any thoughts to the welfare of his family about keeping them safe during either, neither did Vicki 10 a.m. While the recon team gets ready to leave the Garden Spring House area, Norris at the observation post radios that are vehicles approaching the weavers are responding. Then one of the dogs strike or picks up one of the Marshalls sense and the dog is now on their trail.

This is where shit starts to go real south. The recon team starts to retreat through the woods towards the Fernfield while now being pursued by Kevin Harris and striker. As the recon team passes the Fernfield proceeding towards the Y 14 year old Sammy is seen with Harris and the dog in pursuit as well. And again, how dare Randy not call off his fucking son? He's knowingly putting him in harm's way. To describe what happens next, we turn to an account given by the author of the main source book we used for this portion of the suck Ruby Ridge by Jess Walter. Best rated book we could find, The New York Times has reviewed it as having done a stunning job of reporting. Jess is a critically acclaimed author who grew up and lives nearby in Spokane, Washington. So thank you, Jess, for giving us such a great source to lean on.

And of course, we use a ton of other sources, but 10 30 AM with the dog putting the agents on retreat. Roderick things they can take cover. Slides behind a tree looks back up the hill where he sees Striker, the dog. Kevin Harris running behind the big yellow lab, breaking over the top of the hill, about a hundred yards away, aiming straight for him. He realizes this could all go down right now, but he also hopes that they can still get away with that a gunfight. Torn with the adrenaline and fear, the deputies now run alongside a log and road from one stand of trees to another twigs branches of crack under their steps. They stop and turn several times, covering each other, hoping the dog will turn back and

set the dog as gaining. The weavers usually would stop at the rock outcropping. Why would they come further down the hill now? We have to take this dog out, Roderick said he's leading everybody to us over his shoulder coopers. He flashes yellow between the trees, shadows of movement behind the dog that he takes for people. Ahead he realizes it's going to have to run through a clearing before the reach the next

standard trees. They're going to be, you know, wide open toward, you know, for fire from above. They're going to be sitting ducks. He thinks he and his buddies might not be able to get away without a firefight. This is bullshit. He says into his radio headset. We're going to run down the trail and then get shot in the back. We need to get into the woods.

The dog is barking, still chasing him. The marshals fan out, stopping the woods, breathing heavily, listening for the rustling of brush in timber, right? They're bouncing down the hill, shuffling sideways, taking turns as the last in line, covering the retreat of the others. Cooper tells the others to go ahead a little bit and he'll take care of the dog if it gets too close. He has a nine millimeter machine gun with a silencer. He hopes the weavers won't heal, won't hear

his shots if he has to take the dog out. Roderick and Deegan make it to some canopy, to a canopy tree line while Cooper continues running side step, keeping an eye on the trees while he hears the dog barking and the crackle of men running behind him. Then it all seems to go down at once. Cooper sees someone on the higher trail. The trail above them and the realization that they had fallen into an ambush hits him. He yells at the man on the upper trail back off US Marshall. Roderick sees him too. He yells at him. Cooper hears the dog bark turns. He's a growling at him. He points his rifle to the dog, but then it runs right past him towards Roderick. Cooper does not see the dog when he looks back at the trail. Randy Weaver is now running away in his peripheral vision. Cooper sees Deegan duck

into the woods. And so he runs behind him. 30 or 40 feet inside the tree line. Deegan jumps behind a big stump near him. Cooper spies a hole protected by a rock. He dives into it. The dog is still barking. Kevin dressed all in black, Sammy and jeans in a flannel shirt, walking along the trail, coming closer to him. From a stump, Deegan sees Kevin and Sam. Sam is the same age as his youngest boy. He sees him walk right past him. When the boys are past, Cooper relaxes a little, thinking they might be safe. They might get away without a firefight. And then several things happen in rapid succession. The dog moves towards Rodric. Deegan rises on his knee to identify himself. And in a thicket of who shot first stories, both sides agree that everything went to hell. And hits Randy as he runs back towards the cabin.

They run smack into a Zionist occupied government ambush. That's what he's thinking, right? He's been at the fork in the logging road when a man covered head to toe and camouflage. He stepped out behind a tree and yelled something at him. Fuck you, Randy and yelled back. He run about 80 yards back up the road towards the cabin when he hears the first shots sharp cracks echoing through the timber. Sammy and Kevin are down there. He thinks Sam, Kevin, get home. He fires around into the air from his 12 gauge double bearer shotgun. He loads another shell, but he's too eager, pushes it too far and jams the shotgun. He draws his nine millimeter handgun squeezes off three more rounds.

Sam Kevin, he hears a son's voice. I'm coming, dad. Then there's more shots. He hears from down the hill. Someone yells, there's a burst in all directions. You know, Kevin Harris wheels and fires his 30 out six, hitting 42 year old deputy, US Marshal Billy Deegan square in the chest. Larry Cooper sees his friend knocked back, sees his arm fly up. He lays a line of fire right back at Kevin Harris, who falls like a sack of potatoes. He hears Deegan yell, Coup, Coup, I need you. I'll be there Billy as soon as I can get him off her ass.

Hang with me. He squeezes his switch on his hand calls for Roderick in the radio. Get up here already. Billy's been hit. But Roderick has his own problems just downerick and the radio. Get up here already. Billy's been hit. But Roderick has his own problems just down the trail. The dog has run up to him. Roderick is shot at now in the back so it won't lead the family to him. And then 14 year old Sammy appears in front of him.

Seize that he has shot his dog's striker and allegedly yells, you son of a bitch. And then Sammy overcome with anger begins to fire at Marshall Roderick. What a fucking mess. Another round of fire seems to come from the at Marshall Roderick. What a fucking mess. Another round of fire seems to come from the woods and Roderick dives and bounces, feeling something graze, a stomach just as the bullet tears through his shirt comes within a breath of hit in his chest. Then according to one former officer on the scene, as Sammy turns to run away, he has shot multiple times in the back. Deputy Marshall Deegan and Sammy Weaver would both die from their gunshot wounds.

All because the Weavers just refused to obey the fucking law. Upon hearing the shots, the OP team runs through the woods to assist the recon team and are fired upon when running from the Fernfield to the Y. None of the marshals are aware at this point that Sammy Weaver has been shot and killed. At 10.45 a.m. hunt and Thomas leave the wide to go to the Rauhaus to call for assistance. Rotter Associate Director for Operations. The Marshall Service Special Operations Group SAWG is alerted to deploy. Hunt reports to the crisis center that the surveillance team came under fire from occupants of the Weaver compound and that they are still pinned downed under fire in defensive positions. At 1.30 pm in Washington, DC, Marshall Service Director Hudson,

other Marshall Service officials meet with the FBI Associate Deputy Director Douglas Gow and FBI Assistant Director Larry Pots to discuss the response to the shooting and the Marshall's predicament on Ruby Ridge. In the late afternoon, assistant director Pots orders the FBI hostage rescue team HRT to be deployed to Ruby Ridge. The team is, this team is basically a group of the world's most badass snipers. A Marshall has been killed. They're done fucking around with the weavers on Ruby Ridge. At 6.30 p.m. HRT commander, Richard Rogers and the advanced team of HRT personnel, depart for Idaho, accompanied by Marshal Service Director of Operations, Duke Smith. While in route, Rogers has a series of conversations with assistant director

pots and deputy assistant director, Carlson about proposed about proposed rules of engagement at one p.m. the Idaho state police critical response team to c.r.i. c.r.t. excuse me is formed is informed of the incident and proceeds to form a command post near the rouse at 8.30 p.m. the Idaho state police c.r.t. leaves the command post to rescue deputy marshals Roderick Cooper and Norris. And, uh, you know, and get the body of Marshall Deegan at 9.30 p.m. FBI special agent in charge Jean Glinn arrives at the command post at Ruby Ridge. Glinn assumes overall responsibility for the FBI operations at Ruby Ridge. Meanwhile, US Marshall, Michael Johnson has notified US attorney Ellsworth of the shooting at Ruby Ridge. Ellsworth sends Ron Howin to Ruby Ridge to act as US attorney's representative.

He arrives at Ruby Ridge late in the evening. And 1 a.m. Idaho State police CRT arrives back at the command post brings with it the three deputy marshals and the body of deceased deputy marshal digging. The other marshals are then taken to the boundary county hospital for examination, then are taken back to their condominium at Switzer Mountain, arrived in approximately three AM. Sometime in the afternoon, FBI agents interview the Marshal's involved in the August 21st incident,

a criminal complaint has filed, charging Weaver and Harris with the murder of deputy Digan. At 4.45, the HRT team arrives at Idaho. At 9am, the HR team commander, Dick Rogers, briefs HRT members from an National Guard Armory and Bonner's Fairy. The rules of engagement for this mission are being changed, are still being drafted. At 10.30am, the HRT and SAG are assembling a new operations plan. The whole buy-in-some neighboring land, pretending to be locals, building the cabin, hoping Randy swings by and us loan some, that plan's fucking dead.

Right, that ended the second an agent was shot at 240 p.m. the operations plan, including new rules of engagement are sent to FBI headquarters and the Marshall Service for review. The new rules of engagement give the snipers more freedom than his standard with FBI policy in unprecedented domestic action and FBI history. These rules basically state if any adult is armed, it's okay to shoot and kill them. And at risk of pissing off some federal libertarian type listeners, I do not disagree with these rules in this particular case, at this particular point. The weavers in my opinion have taken shit way too far,

way too far. If anything, they'd be given way too many chances to end this peacefully. You know, I can't stress this enough. All Randy has had to do was turn himself in. He's had so many fucking chances, right? He would have been found guilty of a weapons charge, serve very little time. If any, thanks to having no prior record, the weavers could have kept living there insane anti-government, virally racist, you know, kill them all and bring about the apocalypse shitty backwards lives between two thirty and three thirty PM, the HRT sniper observers, briefed on approved rules of engagement are are briefed on those.

They depart on foot to observation posts on the mountain from 507 to 522 PM. The HRT sniper observation team arrives at their positions on the ridge overlooking the Weaver cabin. Meanwhile, Randy has discovered that his son is dead from Kevin who returns to the cabin. They go back out to get the boy, bring him to a guest home. They head on the property to clean his wounds. As Randy has his hands up on his head above his head, you know, on the building in his grief, an HRT sniper, Lou Haruqi fires around that wounds

Randy through the armpit. Randy wounded is able to make his way back to his cabin with Kevin, the main cabin. As Randy and Kevin are returning home, Vicki appears at the main door to greet them, distraught over the loss of her son and now wounded husband. She's holding her 10 month old baby daughter, uh, Lashiba, went at approximately five 58 PM. Heruji fires a round through Vicki's head, just missing the baby. The bullet also wounds Kevin Harris and his shoulder breaking two ribs, stopping just

inches from his heart. Initially, uh, Haruichi does not realize he shoots Vicki in the head. I do, of course, wish this shot had not been fired. She was not holding a gun. I'm sure the agent wishes he could take it back as well. She was not armed. She was holding a baby, not sure why they couldn't just wait for a better shot on Randy or Kevin and left Vicki alone at this moment. Haruji also again does not realize Vicki's been killed 6 30 PM and APC, an armed personnel carrier arrives at the cabin area. The FBI hostage negotiator delivers a message over loudspeaker that there are arrest warrants

for Randy and Kevin asked weaver to please accept negotiations by telephone for his, you know, attorney himself in at 8 p.m. HRT sniper observer teams and saw a person, I'll are withdrawn from their mountain posts because of the cold weather during the evening FBI SWAT teams are deployed around the command post and control access to the road leading in and out of the weaver cabin. There are masses of people media surrounding the area demanding info on what's going on. Many are neighbors. Others are coming from far away supporting the the anti-government and or area and cause. They see Randy as standing for some are yelling things to law enforcement officers like you are a traitor to your race.

They're holding signs about dog and about the new world order. It's a fucking circus. It's madness. A lot of people focus on all the government, personal and weapons that made it to Ruby Ridge and frame it as the government abusing its power. But what they seem to fail to recognize is that the government did not send a bunch of firepower up to Ruby Ridge on day one or day two or day 365. They gave them well over a year to just go to court, but they couldn't do that. Why? Because they were crazy. They thought

the government was part of a new world order conspiracy, part of a Zionist plot to destroy Christianity. At 6 a.m. in August 23rd, the HRT teams are sent back to their positions on the mountain. They arrived there about 730. HRT commander Rodgers takes two teams of HRT personnel to the Weaver cabin area, makes for Pete announcements over the bullhorn. For those inside to enter into negotiations, no response is given, which makes me hate Randy that much more. His son is dead. His wife is dead.

He still has three daughters on that ridge, three daughters who are very much alive and he doesn't do fuck all to protect them right now. At 8.01 pm, APC's armored personnel carriers are used to demolish outbuildings near the Weaver cabin. Right, during the clearing of a shed before being destroyed, the body of Sami Weaver is found. None of the officers knew that Sami had died. Only the family knew. Soon, everyone would know. In the fury of the crowd and the people watching around the world would intensify. I hate that Randy now gets to be painted as a victim. Meanwhile, Harris is charged with

Deegan's murder and Weaver is charged with lesser crimes. The next day, August 24th negotiations to try and make contact with Randy Weaver are may using a loudspeaker unaware that Vicki has been shot and killed. They address Vicki Weaver for the first time. They ask if she will let her kids have pancakes and come out of the cabin. No response from her, of course, it's heard. And then something super weird happens on the 24th as well. Apparently a robotic vehicle with a gun in its robot claw are sent in on the 24th. The robot tries to take a telephone into the Weaver home. Randy will not open the door. He is sure that this robot is some sign of the apocalypse.

The next day on the 25th negotiators continue to focus efforts on surrender. Efforts include statements directed specifically at Vicki Weaver. Again, no responses heard from the cabin. The Weaver family will later claim that they yelled back, you killed her 10, 53 a.m. on the following day, the rules of engagement that were in effect since the arrival of the HRT are now revoked. At the direction of Glenn, the FBI's standard deadly force policy replaces the new rules of engagement to guide law enforcement personnel deployed on cabin perimeter concerning the use of deadly force. At approximately three p.m. the first contact is made with Randy. He says he wants to talk to his sister, Martin's joy.

Martin's attempts to speak with Randy weaver the next day, but is unsuccessful at getting him to come out and surrender. The next day, again, on the 28th, further attempts by Martinus Joy are made to speak with Reaver and negotiate a surrender also unsuccessful. He's a stubborn bastard. So now the FBI decides to bring in a famous name in the Patriot movement at the time, War Hero Colonel Bo Gritz, a decorated Vietnam vet associated with right-wing causes. He's brought in to to go sheet of surrender. This was a dude who was running for president in 1992 under the slogan God guns and grits.

Someone who clearly spoke Randy's language. Let's take a moment to meet Bo Grits. I heard so much about this dude growing up. A lot of my dad's friends love this dude and were voting for him. There's many places you can learn about Grits. One of those places is at the Southern Poverty Law Center's website under fighting hate. He is considered an extremist and racist. The SPLC has recently been called out by many right and center leading people as a hate group themselves, but for decades, they have been the best authority on hate in the US. I personally think they've done a damn fine job of exposing hate groups. Gritz has been described as a supposed inspiration for for semester,

Stallone's character in the original Rambo movie first blood. Gritz has dedicated himself for decades to denouncing the new world order. He's trained in army of anointed eternal warriors in the battle against evil that resides in high places according to Gritz. And I do have enormous respect for him as a soldier. Grateful for his service. That being said, he also seems completely insane. He's a big doomsday Zionist guy as well.

For years, Bo has traveled the country, offering a series of well-attended paramilitary training sessions under the acronym Spike, specially prepared individuals for key events. In these sessions, in the Pricey 12 Part Spike video series, he also sells. He teaches people skills.

He's learned in Vietnam and elsewhere from close quarters combat to field interrogation techniques. He wants to prepare you for the new world order invasion. He's been saying could happen any day now for about 30 years, which, as you know, has not happened. Thousands of men and women have emerged from his elaborate training seminars with the Know How to Fight War. Many have gone on to join the violence prone wings of the extremist anti-government movements. Bo Gritz is a war hero who you could also make

the argument has turned into a domestic terrorist trainer. Now back to Ruby Ridge, 515 PM on August 28, 92, weaver agrees to talk to Bo. At 658, Bo enters the weaver compound, speaks with Randy the cabin. He advises him that the FBI and other law enforcement are, you know, are coming for him. He also, you know, finds out that Vicki has been killed and tells the FBI and law enforcement that also tells him that Kevin Harris has been wounded and is not doing well. The following day, August 29th, Grids in a family friend, Jackie Brown, speak with Randy again, as well as his daughters, and the wounded Kevin Harris at 507 PM, Jackie Brown enters the Weaver cabin. This family

friend gives a Randy gives her a letter that the family wrote in case they were killed. I can only imagine what this letter said, dear Zionist overlords, handy Randy and sticky Vicki here. Good job. You did it. You killed us. Congrats on getting rid of two more good Christians. You Jewish satanic bastards. I hope you're happy with yourself. I hope all this was worth burning in hell for all of eternity. God damn you fucking subhealing mud people.

Why can't you just let us do what we wanted? Follow only the laws we choose to. Spend our days in peace. Go into super racist, aeronation cookouts, training ourselves to be malicious members who are going to help overthrow the corrupt American government. Weaver friends Jackie Brown also allowed to clean the kitchen of Vicki's blood when she comes into the Weaver cabin. At 9 p.m. she tells law enforcement that Harris is close to death.

August 30th, the following morning Harris, who is about to die, decides to surrender after talking with Gritz and Jack McLam, a retired police officer assisting Gritz. Bull warned Randy that if he does not let Harris out of the cabin to be treated for his rapidly worst-need wounds, that he and the world will hold Randy responsible for Kevin's death. Okay, I'm liking Mr. Gritz a little bit more right now. I still think he's crazy, but even another member of this crazy ideology seems to realize that Randy is responsible for some of this shit.

At 6.27 p.m. Jackie Bant Brown and Bo Gritz carry Vicki Weaver's body out from the cabin. After delivering the body, Jackie Brown returns into the cabin to clean blood off the floor. The following day Gritz is told by the Hosscue, rescue team commander Dick Rogers that if Bo can't talk them out, we will take them out. At 9.40 a.m. Randy McClam return to the cabin to begin more negotiations.

Randy tells his girls that he believes they will be okay and that they're going to get out alive. Now is their chance. He begs Randy to surrender. Finally, Randy and his children do so over the next few days. So he, you know, he's surrenders on August 31st and over the next few days, uh, searches of the Weaver cabin grounds and outbuildings are conducted under the supervision of the FBI. On September 16th, the grand jury and diced Kevin Harrison Randy Weaver for assault and murder of deputy martial digon.

The next day Weaver pleads not guilty to 18 and abetting deputy martial digons murder. The day after that Harris pleads innocent to murdering deputy martial digans. On October 1st, a grand jury returns with a 10 count indictment against weaver and Harris, adding a conspiracy count amongst others to earlier charges. On April 13th, 93, the Harris Weaver trial begins in federal court in Boise, Idaho. jury selection begins for the murder conspiracy trial. And then on July 8, the trial is over and the jury acquits Weaver and Harris for the murder of deputy Deegan. The federal government could not prove that Weaver and Harris were not acting in self-defense.

Harris is also acquitted of all other charges against him. Weaver is convicted on count three, failure to appear in court and count nine committing an offense while on release. He's found not guilty of the other counts. Weaver is incarcerated pending sensing. And then on October 18th, he sends to 18 months, 14 of which he's already served three years of probation and he receives a $10,000 fine for his conviction for failures to appear and for committing an offense while on release. After that, after all this happened, right, after all this happened because he wouldn't

show up for a charge to send him in the end to prison for 18 months, right? I can only imagine if you would have went initially, he would have gotten even less trouble, right? And that his wife and son would still be alive. That's so crazy. December of 93, Weaver's release from incarceration. In August of the following year, weaver and Kevin Harris filed a $300 million

civil lawsuit against US government for the wrongful deaths of Sammy and Vicki Weaver. The following year in August of 95, the Justice Department agrees to pay weaver 3.1 million in compensation for killing his wife and son. Randy receives 100,000. Each of his daughters get a million each. Or each of his daughters get a million each or each of a dollar get a million. And I got to say this bothers me. Randy created this mess and now he's

getting paid for it. The government did not force him to arm his young son and send him to war against the government. Randy did that. And he did that because he was a racist conspiratorial maniac. Right. And so was his wife. They both recklessly endangered their kids' lives because of their belief in this ignorant shit. I feel sorry for the daughters because they didn't choose to be involved in this situation. Their parents did.

I think it's bullshit that Randy got a fucking dime from the government for any of this. In the fall of 1995, weaver says, if I had to do it again, oh, knowing what I know now, I would have come down from the mountain for the court of weaver says, if I had to do it again, oh, knowing what I know now, I would have come down from the mountain for the court of parents. Yeah, you fucking think.

I would not let my fears and the fears of my family keep me from coming down, but my wrongs did not cause federal agents to commit crimes. I have been accountable for my choices, but no federal agent has been brought to justice for the killings of Sam and Vicki Weaver. And I don't like this half-apology. In my opinion, Randy Weaver,

if you're listening, the blood is on your hands. You picked this fight. You put your family in position for this to happen. You turned a 14 year old into an armed guard and sent him to war with the federal government. You did that. You never took responsibility. In 1996, Weaver, now viewed as a hero in the Northwest militia culture, teamed up with Bo Grids and offered to help end another standoff between the Montana Freeman and the FBI. Their offers to help were declined. Of course they were. They're fucking crazy.

On 2000, Randy Weaver visits the side of the former branch to Vidyan Church in Wake O, Texas. A new church was being built a time of Weaver's visit. He let it be known that he supported the assertion that the government agents deliberately took things too far in Waco, right? And provoked the compound, set the complex on fire. And then, you know, when the government did mess up there, we've been over that. But again, you know, the government didn't make David Kresh, molest kids in that compound.

In September of 2000, despite federal officials voting or vowing that they would never pay someone who would kill the US Mars, after persistent appeal, Kevin Harris is awarded a $380,000 settlement from the US government. And that takes us out of today's time suck timeline. Good job, soldier. You made it back. Barely. and back barely. What a mess. I've delivered in this research for a few days.

I just have an a hard time seeing a Randy and Vicki Weaver's Patriots. I don't know how people can see them as anything but domestic terrorists who needlessly endangered the lives of their four children, stubbornly persisted and stand off to stemmed out of refusing to take responsibility and go to court for a weapons charge. Randy would later be found guilty of, and what was that weapon charge related to? He was related to wanting to go to war with the US government. That is what a terrorist does.

Right? They're hanging out in the Arian nation's compound around other people who wanted to take a race war to the US government. Right? I mean, the motivation to resist that court date stem from a complete lack of respect for the government, for law enforcement, for law, Randy and Vicki were delusional racists who believed that it was satanic to be Jewish. They regularly associated, again, with Richard Butler's, you know, skinheads, a group

of people who believe that all non-whites are subhuman mud people. Randi went from a member of the military to someone who had no respect for the military, no respect for law enforcement, no respect for the logon. I mean, just how ironic that far right extreme is considered him to be a patriot when he hated America. I think he still does. Today he's 72 years old, believed to be living in or near Calispell, Montana. He won't give interviews anymore. Based on the most recent interviews I could find, he seems to still see himself as a victim,

the recipient of the abuse dish down by a tyrannical government. When he was interviewed about a decade after the standoff, when he returned to live to Iowa for a time, Weaver was asked what he thought about Timothy McVey's execution for Timothy's murderous role in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. Weaver said that, quote, there should be a bunch of federal agents lying right beside him

on a gurney. He said that the real enemy, the federal government, was still at large. He said that the real enemy continues to violate the constitution. He said that Timothy McVeigh, the dude who killed 168 innocent people, including 19 children, was just trying to make a point. He said he was going to be judged during executioner, no different than the federal government. One has a badge and one don't. What a delusional asshole.

The US government has done a lot of bad things. However, they've done a lot more good things. You know, we hear about cases of police brutality, police violence, abuses of power. All right, those things happen. They make the news and they become big stories. What we don't hear about are all the times, a cop or a marshal or an FBI agent

keeps someone safe by stopping an act of terrorism or arresting someone who should be arrested. Cause those stories aren't sexy, but they happen every single day over and over again. Every single day, officers and every state of the nation protects society by arresting bad people for doing bad things and will never know how many lives they've saved by doing so. I might only be alive right now because some dirtbag I've never met, got arrested, and got put behind bars and was never able to do whatever he or she was going to do to me, my wife, my kids, or you and yours.

Do you ever think about things like that? Does the government waste some of our tax dollars? Of course. Could some reforms make our great country even better? Could money be more effectively spent, of course. I could armchair politician all day and think up ways that my mind would improve the average American citizen's quality of life. Should we keep our eyes on the government and help make sure they don't abuse the great

power they wield, of course. But all that being said, I do not believe like the weavers did that at its heart, the US government is some evil corrupt empire. And if they hadn't deliberately set themselves on a path to confront and defy this evil corrupt regime, they would still be alive. I get not wanting to be told what to do by other humans. I really do. I don't like rules. I hate being bossed around. I hate being told what to do. But you know, we live in a world of loss. So, you know, you're gonna be better off if you try and follow them. And if you don't, and you get busted, you go to court.

I don't follow all the laws. You know, weed's not legal in Idaho. I do it, I use it anyway. And if I get busted, guess what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna go to fucking court. You know, I might also start a petition to change the laws or legally protest. I'm gonna for sure talk shit about how dumb anti-weed laws are

on this podcast and in my standup. What I'm not gonna do is hold up with my family in the house and let authorities know that they're not taking me without an armed fucking fight, because that is ridiculous. That is the, those are the actions of a maniac. So don't be a maniac and don't think Randy Weaver is anything but a maniac. Time now for top five takeaways. Time suck, top five takeaway. Number one, there were around 400 law enforcement officials called in from all over the country

to deal with Randy, his wife, his kids and a family friend. A lot of taxpayer money, millions of dollars spent on one dude who didn't want to face his criminal charges. Number two, the government did make some mistakes when it came to handling the situation, at least one FBI agent, maybe got a little too trigger happy. The government did end up paying over $3 million to the weavers for basically using excessive force in this engagement. Number three, believing that Armageddon is coming soon

has made exactly zero people's lives better. So don't believe that. Number four, Randy Weaver refused to leave his property for roughly a year and a half to avoid going to court. And then after the whole mess you heard about today, he had to go to court. So go to court. It's not the 1920s anymore.

You don't get to sneak across state lines and hide out from the coppers and then start a new life. You get caught. And number five, new info, kind of. I believe I've mentioned this before, but I can't find it in my old notes after a bit of searching. I want to make it clear that the Arian nation's compound that ran in his family visited is no longer in North Idaho. It's found her Richard Butler died in 2004 at the age of 86 lived a long, hateful life. And the compound was lost before he died in 2000, Victorian Jason Keenan, an American Indian mother and son were harassed at gunpoint by Aryan nation's security guards. They went on to successfully sue Butler in the compound represented by local

attorney Norm Gissel and Morris D's Montgomery, Alabama based Southern Poverty Law Center, they want to combine civil judgment of $6.3 million from Butler and from the area nation's members who attacked him. In Butler was forced to give his racist anti-government compound to the Keynes. They sold it to the Car Foundation who then gave it to the North Idaho College Foundation and all of the compound's buildings were torn down and the land became just a beautiful slice of forest once again. That land was put up for sale to raise and down money recently for North Idaho College and it was not sold to skinheads.

So please know that North Idaho has changed. We have had our share of nuts, but we are also no longer the land of Ruby Ridge and the Aryan nations. Time suck, tough five takeaway. Ruby Ridge sucked. I'm feeling that's going to piss off some people with this one. You know what? I looked at it, these are the conclusions I came to.

And I'm just glad I know a lot more about a topic that was brought up so many times around me and my youth. I'm sure it's going to come up again in some future conversation with a relative of mine and I'm sure we're not going to agree. And I'm sure that I'm going to be able to speak a lot more intelligently about it than I used to be able to. It reminds me of the killbos or tale. Joe and I were talking about that before the recording. You look online, you read the YouTube comments and man, just a lot of people want to read into some of these stories. Just desperately want these people to be martyrs and just die hard patriots. And that's not true, man. Somebody who just doesn't

want to follow the law to me. How is that a fucking patriot? Fucking terrorist. Big thank you to the time suck team. Thanks to Queen of the suck Lindsey Cummins. High priest of the suck Harmony Vellicamp, Reverend Dr. Paisy, the Biddle-Lixer app design crew, Logan and Kedas Spicy Club, and the script keeper Zach Flannery. Check out the Colt Curious Private Facebook group if you want to make some new friends. Thank you to the counters of the Colt Liz Hernandez for being a kick-ass administrator. Over 16,000 meat sacks to meet in their hail, Nimrod. Thank you to the all-seeing eyes of the Col cult helping Liz, Ellie Darling, Robbie Erickson, Megan

Howell, Danny Ryan, Jacob Carey, and Juan Carlos Ramirez, Darius. Also the time suck discord channel via the time suck app has over 5200 die hard suckers being goofy over there. Keep growing, keep growing. Thank you beef steak for doing so much to keep discord weird and fun and for send us some friends out to say hi to me in DC Next week we have a topic that may as I write this also win the next space is your vote Harold Shipman aka Dr. Death Our British doctor who killed over 200 of his patients before his arrest in 1998

He initially thrived as a family practitioner before allegedly becoming addicted to painkillers. He forged prescriptions to large amounts of the drug. You know, he was forced to leave the practice when he was caught by medical colleagues in 1975, at which time he entered a rehab program. In the subsequent inquiry, he received a small fine and conviction for forgery. Few years later, he was back to doctrine, and then a few years after that, a local undertaker, noticed the doctor shipman's patients,

seemed to be dying at an unusually high rate, and exhibited similar poses in death, most were fully clothed, usually sitting or reclining. Dr. Shipman convinced the undertaker there was nothing to worry about, but in fact, there was a lot to worry about. Dr. Shipman would go on killing for many, many years after this

undertaker became initially suspicious. And then you know what happened? Well, you have to find out on next Monday. Find out next Monday on another true crime edition of Time Suck. Now let's get to the emails. Many of you have been kind enough to send in for today's Time Suck Updates First up Eric super sucker Graham no stranger to being a victim of Cummins law

Eric writes Dear suck master holy shit. I learned about a new way Cummins law can screw you I was making a delivery to one of those large chain, large chain family hotels. The head of receiving is this really cool guy. And after talking to him for a bit, I thought, yeah, maybe time to spread the suck. I started talking about the brother's grim episode. He was a huge fan of them growing up, sweet. So I casually asked if he had heard the story

about the children, the slaughter. He said, no. So excitedly, I decided to share it with him. Well, right as I got to the part about the kid getting his throat cut, this woman probably in her 20s walks right past us. I don't see her at first. I had my back tour. She didn't fully turn around, but I definitely got a look from her. And then she kept walking. Eep. That's not a good one to walk in on. It wasn't like I could apologize and explain it. How would that sound? Oh, sorry, miss. I was retelling a story from a book about children killing

another kid, but don't worry, it was all just a game. Ha, ha. Well, I hope you enjoyed my tale. So far, I'm still employed with my company. So that's a plus. Also recently at work, I made a mention about how I didn't want her to deliver, how I didn't want to deliver to a Polish person.

When I was asked why, by fellow employee, I come myself trying to explain it and then just said, I just can, man, you've got to hold on me. Man, I guess so, Eric. I'm making a, you look as crazy to other people as I looked at other people. And then Eric wrote, PS, we met in December, or we met in Denver back in November, Jesus.

And I asked about the guy that had the sick baby. That update that broke so many of our hearts. I was curious if you guys have an update to him or his family. Seriously, Dan, everyone at time. So thanks for all you do. You've created something magical. Praise be to triple M, Nimrod. Definitely lose to Fina and to you guys.

Loved you all into my fellow cult members. Keep on sucking. Eric, photo my mouth, Graham. Thanks Eric, man. I appreciate what you said so much. No, no update on Adam's situation that I'm aware of. I'm going to hope that no news is good news. I'm not going to intrude on him and ask. I'm sure you understand about that. But if we, if we hear something, we will let everybody know. So he'll name Rodden trying to get fired. Be careful.

Top shelf meets Zach Michael Avila or via Via, or a villa, a villa. Now writes down with a reminder to be constantly vigilant. Michael writes, good prevening, pre-evening, sucked him. I just finished the Girl Scout Cookie Martyrs. Girl Scout Cookie Martyrs, sorry, that is maybe, I don't think you probably meant to write it that way. Yes, I'm a little behind since I lost my car, but I'm catching up. I wanted to address the things children here in C. About two months ago, my girls told me there were being watched while they slept. My initial response was less and fatherly.

I said, how can you tell if someone's watching you sleep if you're asleep? They then told me that they'd seen a man outside their window. Again, I didn't believe my told them to go back to bed. The kids' room is downstairs and their window is in our gated backyard where I left my dog out. Because the room is downstairs, it's also halfway underground, which means their window is at ground level. So it was easy for me to brush it off as them just seeing the dog outside or whatever. A month and a half goes by with nothing else happening. But then one night my dog starts growling, barking, and starving at the window downstairs in Laundry

area. My little brother runs downstairs to see the dog, and then he sees the guys feed outside the window. This was about 6 p.m. because dark pretty early around this time in Colorado Springs. We ran outside to see if we could catch this guy standing outside the window, but he had taken off down the street and disappeared. Had my dog been able to break the window, she probably would have eaten him. The kids have been sleeping on the living room since then, and I moved cameras to see the outside of the house better. I now keep both my porch lights on at night,

and I'm constantly checking my locks. After listening to the girls scout murders, I realized I would have done what those counselors did. My kids told me about a guy a couple months ago, and I wrote it off as nothing but my dog, and then confirmed it with my eyes a month and a half later that they were right. I haven't able to stop thinking about how I ignored their words and then that it could have been their last words because of what was going on. It's a scary world we meet sex living,

but it will be a cold day in Nimrod's butthole before I let someone hurt my children. I understand where the counselors could have easily written off a child's claim, because I did that with my own girls, but I can assure you I will check every claim they make from now on It was a real wake-up call as annoying as false claim could be I don't want to write the one real claim off when it could be their last I know it's a long email, but I had to share my tail and spread the word Heed your children's claims One day it could be real and I'd hate to see it in the news Hail Nimrod and keep on sucking.

Yes, scary shit, Michael. And I think it would have done the same thing, you know, initially as well. Uh, not now though, not after, uh, that suck and not after, you know, the messages like this great reminder to, uh, be a little extra vigilant because you never know. I think about that more of the Joseph Duncan suck as well, best to take fewer chances. Most people are good. I believe that very much with the small minority that are not good, man, they can be so very, very bad. And because of those bad assholes, the rest of us need to

watch our backs and watch after each other. So thank you for sending that in. Time sucker extraordinaire, uh, Verrock Lee now has a powerful personal connection to share about last week's Camera Rouge suck. Merak writes, Here, haste or suckered of time. I just wanted to say thank you for educating people about that asshole pull pot in the killing fields of Cambodia. My mother was a kid there during all this chaos. She is still traumatized by it to this day.

My mom would tell me things she had witnessed and it would blow my mind on how ruthless these Camera Rouge fuckers were. They gave no shit about human life. My mom would tell me things she had witnessed and it would blow my mind on how ruthless these Camaroosh fuckers were. They gave no shits about human life. They murdered my mom, sister and her kids and also starved my grandpa to death. She once told me she saw these soldiers who were helping this lady give birth to a child, then through her baby in the air and Bayonetta the baby after it was delivered. Fuck. She also told me that she remembers the smell of a bunch of dead bodies burning when she was in a little village area.

She had to stay in. These guys were sick in the head. They would even kick my mom's food over onto the dirt and laugh at my mom while calling her names. When the Khmer Rouge were coming to an end, they had my mother run into the jungle and then they shot at her. Bullets whizzed past her and others who had also been running with her. While running, she was hitting the shoulder and knocked her down, but then she got up and kept running until she got to Thailand. In Thailand, she became a refugee and then eventually was sponsored to come to the States.

Sorry for the long assay, but love what you're doing with time. So I hope you have a great day and fuck communism. Holy shit for ack man, that is intense. Your mom is strong, the power through all of that. I hope her life is amazing right now Please give her a big hug from me and the team tell her how much we love her of course. She's traumatized And what the fuck did any of that have to do with farming by the way, right? How did all that cruelty? Come out of polpots supposed wish to have people live simpler happier agrarian lives Like I was such an epic piece of shit.

Anyone who thinks poll pot was anything brought a piece of shit in his dad's or head checked. Glad you're enjoying the show. Hail Nimrod and sweet sucker Nate Stalin also would like to share our personal connection to last week's Camaro Rooch suck writing first time message leaving spaces or Nate Starling here from Fresno, California. Just wanted to leave a message and say that this recent poll pot episode was my far, oh, was has been my favorite by far.

I've been waiting for it to climb the charts and finally it became a Monday suck, uh, Hail Nimrod. I wanted to let you, Dan, I want to let you, Dan, and all the times that community know that this event in history like so many others still affects many individuals, individuals to this day. My best friend's older brother's wife is a child of some Cambodian natives who survived and escaped the genocide and made it to the States. For privacy reasons, I will not mention my friend's nor his wife's names. She was born here in the States after her parents made it here safely.

Their journey to come here was not one of choice they had to escape plain and simple. It was that or die. Her mother and father had already had three and three to four children. According to her father, they all died of either malnourishment or murder. Her mother and father fought back in the Cambodian jungle. They were tracked down and fired upon by communist forces. They obtained firearms, gotten to a firefight with the Khmer Rouge had to kill them to survive. It is completely otherworldly for me to even think about a poor husband, a wife side-by-side shooting communists in the Cambodian jungle to stay alive, but that's what happened. The events she made it to the States had more children, my friend's wife being one of

them. She has said that the events changed her parents forever. They are kind, gentle people, but her mother constantly has nightmares from PTSD. She also has what seems to be moments of what feels like schizophrenia, where she will hide under her bed or excuse me or hide in her closet, thinking that the communist regime is coming to get her all over again. Like I said, I have never and will never ask her about it unless she directly brings a topic up. I just thought I'd tell you space, the nerds and time suckers, a small portion of her parent story.

I know it's not a lot, but it's all I know of the event. Just know that things like this happen over four decades ago and they severely affect lives still today. And goes without saying that Paul Pot was a huge piece of shit and deserves the idiotic title. We have so price, we have so precisely given him, Hail Nidrod and have a wonderful week. YAH YAH. Uh, yeah, thank you, Nate, man.

I bet you asked PTSD. And the poor country, I hope they have nothing but good times coming, you know, in their cultural future. And finally, kick ass meat sack, Miz Cooper sends me a message. It made me feel really good. She wrote, Daniel the manual. I apologize for how lame that name is. I'm a high school

teacher. I'm assuming my job wouldn't appreciate me calling you the suck Lord or cold leader or mother fucking mush mouth. Just to name a few. I know I know it's crazy to think that even in 2020 parents refuse to believe their kids can say things like fuck. Not their precious baby. Anyway, I'm reaching out to let you know how profound and uplifting the intro to the brother's grim suck was for me. I'm a huge fan so as soon as I heard that they were the topic, I knew reached out to let you know how profound and uplifting the intro to the brother's grim suck was for me. I'm a huge fan, so as soon as I heard that they were the topic, I knew I had to listen as soon as possible. With that, I've gotten several of my students

to join the Cult of the Curious, but it's still not enough to prove to them that learning is fun. So to remedy this, I'm using your intro of that suck and a lecture tomorrow for my gifted accelerated classes. The students are working on a hero's journey project in which they create a visual representation of their own hero's journey. I find it very important for my students to know

that what they do in say matters. Mostly, also that they learn that they have a story to tell that is most certainly worth a listen. I feel confident that your intro will like the fire they need just like it did for me yesterday. As I listen to that episode, in summation, thank you for all the you and your time to crew do for us meat sacks. Keep sucking the truth because I have over a hundred many meat sacks who need truth. Oh, and I'm going to

your stand-up show in late April when you come to Atlanta. Good to save up every penny in my teacher budget to be sure that in addition to my ticket, I get a strong drink, a good laugh, and an inappropriate teacher that I can never wear to work. And one last thing, I wish you and Lindsey, I wish that Lindsey and I were best bros. Oh my God, hilarious. She's the fucking best. You're okay, too. Ha, forever learner and always curious, Ms. Cooper, the little hippie teacher with green hair

that curses intellectuals. Well, thank you, Ms. Cooper. I hope you are right. I hope I can inspire some students to tell some of their stories. I'm honored that it inspired you. Yes, we all have stories to tell. I have so much respect for good teachers. You're so important to the world.

You are the stewards and shepherds of our future, nurturing the minds that will soon rule the world. Hail them, not to you. I'll see you soon in Atlanta. And that's all for this week. We all did. Thanks, time suckers. I need a net. We all did. Have a great week, mead, Zach. Don't kick off a year and a half long arm stand-off with federal agents because you refused

to go to court and keep on fucking sucking. You have to go to court right now. Oh shit. Oh shit. Oh shit.