Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 340 - The Skull and Bones aka The Brotherhood of Death

Episode Date: March 20, 2023

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Skull and bones aka the Order aka the Brotherhood of Death Order 322. Skull and bones is Yale University's oldest secret society. Ah yes, it is but one of many secret societies associated with Yale so many secrets. Skull and bones has been shrouded in mystery and secrecy ever since it was founded nearly two centuries ago now back in 1832 All members taken oath promising to never reveal the group's activities and secrets and they seem to take that oath very Seriously, according to the traditional mainstream sheepal narrative Skull and Bones was founded by a group of Yale juniors who were either angry over the years, honor society elections or inspired by occult European societies or perhaps both.

Well, of course, also look into a ton of conspiratorial allegations today. But again, relaying what is documented. From the 19th century to the present day, 15 Yale juniors are tapped by senior members every year who have selected them to be the next annual iteration of Skull and Bones. The juniors who accept and participate in strange initiation ceremonies and are supposedly required to reveal their life history, including all their sexual experiences to the existing bonesmen and other initiates and maybe the devil or something. There's a lot of wild rumors.

Three former US presidents have been members of Skull and Bones, along with many wealthy businessmen and important politicians other than the presidents. This has helped lead to numerous conspiracy theories revolving mainly around members conspiring to establish a new world order. Skull and Bones is a prestigious secret society dominated by wealthy elites, but do they actually have any nefarious intentions? Are they helping each other into positions of power as part of some evil, subversive plan, or are they helping each other into positions of power?

Because that's how networking works. That's how people in literally every profession and business organization in the world handle themselves the exact same thing. I mean, if you were running a business and you could help a stranger or an old friend, a friend you no received a great education and would do a good job, what would you do? If you were able to help someone who would likely do you a favor back because you were both in the same group and you were younger or you could help a stranger who doesn't have that connection to you and would be less likely to reciprocate again, what would you do?

Is the Skolan bones really associated with the infamous illuminati? Are they in an international mafia of sorts? Or just an organization no more dangerous and terrible than say the oxludge? The Eagles, the loyal order of moose. I had an older gentleman at the gym volunteer to sponsor my membership into the fraternal order of the Eagles recently.

If I join, does that make me part of the illuminati or do I just have a new bar to go to? What dark truths, if any, have conspiracies uncovered about this organization? Is it really a group to be feared? Or is the Skull and Bone Society nothing more than a group of some of the finest slash most popular students at Yale coming together for a unique bonding experience that will give them access to some of the world's most powerful and successful people as they begin building their careers. This week, we'll discuss the founding of the Skull and Bone Society, some of the most famous members that have called themselves Bonesman. The society's alleged strange terminology and

initiation rituals will meet some of the journalists and writers who have spent years trying to uncover the secrets of skull and bones and go over a brief timeline of notable events in the society's history. In another conspiracy, is this the Illuminati or just another group that drives a certain segment of society crazy by refusing to share their secrets, addition of Time Suck. This is Michael McDonald and you're listening to Time Suck. Oh! Oh!

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Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Oh! Happy Monday, meet Saks. Welcome to the Colt of the Curious schools in session. Talking about school today, at least. I'm Dan Cumm's bought tickets to the standup shows recently. The tour continues. New Orleans, Philadelphia this weekend as this episode drops, Cleveland Columbus in a few weeks and then back to the clubs to build a new hour. Dancomas.tv for tour info for tickets, Bloomington, Madison,

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Sword, sword, sword, sword, sword. Bad Magic Comics presents official t-shirts and wall art, now available at BadMagicMarch.com. Coming soon, Attack Cat, Karate Woman, and Spy Person. Ah, shit, yeah. Shout out to Jeremy Blake for creating the non-copied right 8-bit track called Power Up. You heard it there. It's fun. And how about that's it for today's announcements. I imagine a bunch of outrage right now hearing that, no, please, please do more announcements.

That I've nothing to do with a skull and bone sequence society. You know, followed by literal hisses and booze. I'm glad that's not a thingssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss What a weird thing. Let's get going. Structure wise today, Meet Sacks, we're going to meandra a bit. Boo! Now, hard to say, perfectly structured with the topic that begs for me to take a side road so as we go through it. First we'll start with a short overview of the history of Yale University. Makes sense, obviously, to get a feel for the school where this all started, where this continues. Then the meandering begins. I will cover the School of Bones Society itself. There are symbols and terms.

There are origin, man connection to the original Illuminati. Some notable members and reported initiation rituals, and of course we'll look at all kinds of speculation about the real true conspiratorial intentions of this secret society. Reliant on a pair of journalists who seem to have done, you know, more actual journalism than most. I'll also look in at one author who maybe did not do the best investigative journalism. And instead focus more on titillating accusations. Tidilating. I like that word. That's a sexy word. Not the sexiest topic today, but a sexy has titillating word. Towards the end, we'll cover a brief timeline of some significant events in the society's history. And then maybe, just maybe, since many of you have sent in messages

recently asking about it, we'll bring back that old segment idiots of the internet to see what some, you know, people on the lesser side of being informed have been saying about this group. All right, Yale University is a prestigious. I feel like it's Yale. You're not supposed to say prestigious. It prestigious. Ivy League School located a new Haven Connecticut, New Haven, one of America's first plan cities founded by the Puritans back in 1638. And in 1639, it's streets were laid out nice and tidy its first streets and little four by four grid.

Never been to New Haven. While about 500 colonists were present for the start of the new community on April 24, 1638, just over 130,000 people live inside the city limits today with about 865,000 in the metro area. It's located along the central southern coast of Connecticut just across the Long Island Sound from New York's Long Island, about 20 miles from Long Island via boat. The city served as co-capital of Connecticut from 1701 all the way until 1873.

Over 170 years, and then the sole governance was transferred to the more centrally located city of Hartford Since 1873 new Havens built itself as Connecticut's cultural capital That's a nice little self-given consolation prize, I guess And Yale University has long been the cultural capital's biggest taxpayer and employer and still is today Yale controls new Haven the skull and bones. Yale controls New Haven, the Skull and Bones control Yale, and New Haven controls, well not even Connecticut sadly. A graduate of Yale include US politicians, diplomats, five presidents, Nobel Peace Prize winners,

Nobel Prize winners in general, many other notable individuals throughout US and world history. Former presidents of Mexico, Germany, the Philippines, Latvia, and more have studied at Yale. Former Turkish and Italian prime ministers. Not going to speak it right now. Taiwanese premier and various royals have studied at Yale. 19 American Supreme Court justices, over half a dozen current US senators or Yale alumni, numerous Nobel Prize, excuse me, and Pulitzer Prize winners, Academy Award-winning actors, actresses, directors, Jody Foster, Paul Newman,

Merrill Streep, Oliver Stone, Francis McNorman. McDorman, why did I say McNorman? McDorman, have all studied at Yale. Grammy winners, Tony Award winners, national medal of art swimmers, noted journalists and pundits like Anderson Cooper Farid Zachariah Zakaria. I think it's I was supposed to say that. Sorry for you. And on and on the founders of Boeing United Airlines time magazine FedEx electronic arts Pinterest Morgan Stanley so so so many other corporations like these people have gone

to Yale. Rumor has it the true hidden founder of bear evil incorporated has also gone to Yale. And of course was a bones man. Dozens of four to five hundred CEOs, so many Olympians, the only American university that has an even more prestigious alumni list would be Harvard. And not by lot. Yale is the third oldest higher education institution in the US, founded as I said in, well, maybe I didn't say 1701. Harvard is the oldest, founded over six decades previously in 1636, thought by the College of William and Mary, founded in 1693. I've been to those other two campuses, but not to Yale. Yale is one of

nine colonial colleges, which were chartered before the American Revolution. The full list, Harvard, William and Mary, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, the University of Pennsylvania, Brown, Dartmouth, and Rutgers. Patrick J. Mahoney wrote for the Connecticut history for Connecticut history, not the, all of these institutions played an integral role within their respective colonies as centers of learning and scholasticism, as well as training grounds for future leaders and professionals, given the economic realities of the period students largely attending colleges close to home. Therefore in the same vein as state universities today, these colleges became identified with

a particular colonies in which they resided. And the New Haven colony was where Yale was founded. And it kicked off at the exact same time as the city of New Haven, 1638, founded by those roughly 500 Puritans who had fled England. They fled because of religious persecution. That's what I learned in grade school. What I didn't learn was that they were persecuted mostly because the Puritans were fucking insane.

Like a thousand percent, batshit and say. More on that in a second. Reverend John Davenport and Oxford graduate was the religious leader of the New Haven colony. Davenport wanted to establish a theocratic colony and a college to educate future leaders. The colony didn't last long. They never had a charter, giving it some kind of legal title to exist as far as England

was concerned, and it never mustered much of a militia to defend itself against being forced into not existing anymore. The early days in New Haven were interesting. A government based only in the Bible quickly led to which trials, decades before the later Salem witch trials. Connecticut was actually the first colony to put so-called witches to death. Plans for a college library started in 1656, but plans to establish the college were suspended when King Charles II forced New Haven to join the larger Connecticut colony in bordered

to the north in 1665. In 1700, a group of 10 ministers led by Reverend James Peerpont, Mitt and Branford, town that butts up against New Haven now to found a college. Each minister donated books and made the statement, I give these books for the founding of a college in this colony. Probably said it's similar to that. Reverend Peerpont donated Bibles and hymn books, Reverend Crane donated several medical books, Reverend Winthrop donated copies of a model of Christian charity,

popular book at the time, Reverend Taylor donated upon a wasp chilled with cold, a book of prayer meditations, Reverend Mitchell donated various books on Roman history, Greek philosophy, and Reverend Skitsky donated copies of illustrations of Bucsome beauties I thought long and hard about for months on a boat, and sketches of new native women that make my spirit and other things soar. of illustrations of Bucsome beauties I thought long and hard about for months on a boat.

And sketches of new native women that make my spirit and other things soar. Both recently self published titles. I have no fucking idea who donated books other than Reverend Peerpont. I made the rest of that shit up. 1701 New Haven was made co-capital of Connecticut with Hartford, as I mentioned. The governor and general assembly met New Haven for the first time in October of 1701 and passed an act for liberty to erect a collegiate school. The purpose of the school was to instruct young people in arts and sciences, quote, for public enjoyment, both in church and civil state.

And by young people, they of course meant young white men and no one else. Don't even fucking think about stepping into the classroom, front butt owners and possessors of large amounts of melanin The general court of the colony of Connecticut approved this act which would establish a collegiate school to train men for careers and religion and politics Reverend James Peerpont's and his colleagues Secured a charter for the collegiate school for some random trivia Peerpont would have nine kids and his descendants include the dude who wrote jingle bells and famed gilded age banker and financier JP Morgan. School's trustees chose nearby little town of Saberuk, not New Haven, located at the mouth of Connecticut River as a convenient location for the school.

Abraham Pearson, a minister from another nearby town, Killingworth, was the first president of the college. The college operated in Killingworth until 1707 when it then moved to Sabreq, then the college moved again to New Haven in 1716. Yale's curriculum focused on classical studies and adhered to what was called orthodox Puritanism. And to me, that education is way fucking scarier than some kind of new world order shit. If I had to choose between some kind of gilly add theocracy or a one-world government illuminati type thing Well bring on the new world order

Illuminati here I come who's dick to wife to suck Puritans were insane check out the five basic core tenets of Puritanism. They're founding principles around this time One is the concept of total depravity founding principles around this time. One is the concept of total depravity. Most Christian sects believe in the concept of original sin rooted in Adam and Eve's temptation and fall. The Puritans took it further. They like to take things further.

Puritans took the concept of original sin to mean total depravity. To the Puritans people were not only inherently sinful, we meet sect, our evil is fuck. There is no horrendous crime We are not capable of committing if you don't give yourself to God You can be skull fucking Nana roast and some babies on a spit and probably a couple of months tops Second tenant unconditional election and other Calvinist Christian sex the concept of unconditional election is often called predestination

Puritans believe that God chose who would be saved and who would be chosen for eternal damnation And that a person could not do anything to determine God's choice and that being a devout member of the Puritan Church was not enough To be elected for salvation. Well other Christian denominations do believe that people can choose salvation Puritans believed that the choice was God's alone and how completely fucked What a deal what a cool fair loving God. Right. You can live a life of total obedience to God, believe in Jesus as your savior, never masturbate, never dance, never fucking one outside of marriage. Not yet have any fun inside of marriage.

Basically, a super boring sad joy to prive life and still end up in hell with people who actually had fun when they were alive. The Puritans put the Z in zealot. Again, I'd much rather live in some kind of Satanic new world order fever dream than live under the thumb of these just oppressive clowns. The third tenant was limited atonement, really just an extension slash clarification of the previous tenant. Like other Christians, Puritans believed that Jesus Christ died to a tone for the sins of man.

Puritans, however, believed that Christ's atonement did not extend to everyone. Only those who got elected received the salvation benefits of Christ's atonement. Those elected were part of an exclusive group and not all Puritans were necessarily considered saved. The next, the fourth tenant, irresistible grace. Puritans believed that once God chose to elect someone for salvation, that person could never resist God's grace. Being chosen meant that a person had found the path to salvation, which included ecstatic, or excuse me, ecstatic intimacy with the divine. Sounds like a pornish. Pyrrhton's could be called on both internally and externally, being chosen internally meant that God changed the person's heart to respond to the hospital. A gospel, the external calling was to preach the word of God to others. So not sheld the most important part of that is God has a cool

kids club. And if you're in it, life is super easy for you because you generally don't want to sit, right? You're called towards doing the right thing. So it's pretty easy for other people, you know, it's a fucking struggle. But oh, well, life's not fair. And those other people will probably descend for hell anyway. So you know, fuck them. And then finally, there's perseverance of the saints. A person elected by God's grace would never depart from the path to salvation. So really an extension of the last tenant.

The person would have complete power to understand the Word of God and would never turn towards evil. By definition, understanding the Word of God meant that someone would never depart from God's commands. The person would instead persevere toward salvation. This belief is in stark contrast with other Christian denominations, which believe that even people who are saved sometimes fail to understand and can choose to depart from God.

So did I say there were five tenants? Really just three. Without God, we're all evil monsters. Believe in God and following His rules does not guarantee salvation. And God picks who He wants to save before they're even born and makes it easy for them to end up in heaven. So super fun. Now, let's go burn a witch.

Burn the witch. Burn the witch. In the early 18th century, a businessman named Elihu Yeo donated nine bales of goods to the school so they could have an established building of their own and no longer have to balance around the goods, which were cloth sold for five hundred and sixty two pounds, a lahu Yale also donated four hundred and seventeen books and a portrait of King George I to honor his contributions to the collegiate school was renamed Yale College. The name of lahu comes from the Bible.

He was a guy who basically told Job, a dude who suffered so much, even though he really didn't fucking do anything and was very devout in his faith to quit whining about it. Except God's love even when it shows up in the form of nonsensical punishment. Elihu was the step-grandson of Theophilus Eaton, co-founder of New Haven. Theophilus, another biblical name, the dude who, in the book of Acts and the book of Luke were addressed to. Also translates to an old book of the book of Acts and the book of Luke were addressed to also translates to an old Greek friend of God. Very biblical names in the family that you don't hear a lot today. A lauhu lived from 1649 to 1721. He was an English merchant and official of the East India

company as well as a benefactor of Yale. Elihu was actually born in Massachusetts, moved to England with his family when he was just three. Interestingly, never returned to live in the US. He was a wealthy man who made most of his fortune in diamond trading, illuminati blood diamonds. Yale made his first contribution to the collegial school in 1713 when he donated 32 books and 1718, Cotton Mather, the prominent Puritan minister and writer wrote to him, hinted that, you know, the Sabrik school could be named in your honor. If you fork over a lot of shit, gay was a college that promoted modern ideas, modern for the place in time, that came from the great awakening and the enlightenment.

School grew in the 18th century, despite chaos, the American Revolution and its aftermath. They experienced a big increase in students during the war because students were exempt from military service. But some would fight in a militia. Then after the war, men who had served in the military started attending school, and for many years, Yale had the highest enrollment of all the colonial colleges. President Ezra Stiles wrote in his diary, Toto, 218, the greatest number ever together at once in an American university. 218 the most. my how times have changed the largest student body in the US right now is Texas A&M in college station

Almost exactly 75,000 students 75,000 at one time that is a lot of kids If you go there and you're having a hard time meeting people and making friends, I hate to break it to you, but there's a very good chance that you are fucking terrible at meeting people and making friends. By the mid 19th century, Yale was still the largest college in the US and then Yale changed its name to Yale University in 1887. Yale grew more during the late 19th, 20th centuries. The School of Medicine was chartered in 1810. I guess not the just late 19th but the entire 19th. Followed by the Divinity School in 1822. The Law School in 1824 and the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences in 1847.

Yale would award the first doctor of philosophy degrees in the nation in 1861. In 1876, Yale awarded the first doctorate degree to an African American student, Edward Aboucher. Aboucher was the first black graduate of Yale went on primarily to work as an educator. Yale's first co-ed school, first university, and the first university art school in America, opened in 1869, right?

Women could study, but only art. Ha ha ha. Gets it over there and draw something cute, girls. My name's Jess Flowers. We men will be over here learning how to dominate the business world and extend the patriarchy. Where's something pretty? School wouldn't become fully co-ed until 1969.

Yale hosted America's first collegiate rowing races in the New Haven Harbor in 1843. Yale and Harvard competed in the first intercollegiate races in 1859, which marked the beginning of a pretty famous rivalry between the schools and the use of school colors. Then Yale alumnus Walter Camp, class of 1880, helped create the sport of American football, may have heard of it. Known as the father of American football among a long list of inventions, came created a sports line of scrimmage and the system of downs. Now today, Yale has over 11,000 students, counting grad school and undergrad and over 3,000 faculty members. And while it's obviously known for being one of the most prestigious schools in the US,

also known for having several different secret societies, the most infamous of which is Skullenbones aka the Order aka Order 322 aka the Brotherhood of Death. That's a good name. No wonder there's so many conspiracy circling around Skull and Bones. Although the Order of Skullenbones is made up of Yale students, it and other Yale secret societies are actually privately owned. secret societies are actually privately owned. There are eight total so-called landed societies associated with Yale, Skull and Bones, Skull and Key, Wolfshed, Book and Snake, Elihu, Brazellius, Mace and Chain, and the ancient order of soul eaters, let Satan begin his reign on earth and the babies of the righteous shall be curbs dumped. Or maybe the last one's known as St. Elmo's. I wish they had an order with that actual name, just to be like, what the fuck are you guys doing? St. Elmo's not as prestigious as Skull and Bones, of course not.

It's a, it's a weak ass name, comparatively. Who can take a secret society seriously with Elmo in the title? Before continuing with Skull and Bones, let's take a few minutes to give an overview on just a few of these other orders. Skull and Key, founded in 1842, is reputedly the wealthiest of Yale secret societies. It's one of the so-called big three of Yale secret societies, alongside Skull and Bones and Wolfshead. Like many of the old societies, they hold meetings on Thursdays and Sundays, have 15 members who are seniors, and recruit a new 15 member class from the junior class every year. The building that serves as their clubhouse of sorts is also like the Skull and Bones Meeting Center, referred to as a tomb. And here's what one supposed member said happens in their tomb, and allow me to play some secret society type music for a little bit of dramatic effect.

A week usually consisted of an informal dinner on Sundays where it was just our current delegation, term for the current group cohort of 15. Afterward, we'd have either a bio or just hang out. Movies, TV, drinking, laser tag, a mixer with another landed society, etc. Thursday nights were very different. We'd dress formally and have dinner with a small group of adults who were either members or honorary members. Honorary members are usually faculty members. We also usually had an invited speaker who is prominent in his or her field. After dinner, the adults leave.

The delegation usually does the usual college hangout things. We only wear black robes and white masks around tap. The process time when we pick a new delegation from the junior class. But we do have meetings in the secret society where things get done. These more serious meetings usually occur in a special sacred room. I wouldn't say we control anyone's future, but our own. We encourage each other in our endeavors

and learn to rely on other people who have been members. And surely, there's usually leads to interesting useful connections when it comes to career moves. Whoa! How nefarious. Do you have chills? I have chills. Career networking? Sometimes wearing robes and masks for dramatic effect? Laser tag!

I bet laser tag is practice for controlling the world. Scary stuff. The bio they mention is a central feature of most, if not all of these secret societies. A bio is when each member spends an evening recounting his or her life history, personal development, and aspirations to the group. A devilish way for the secret cabal motherfuckers to really get to know each other and form long lasting friendships. Illuminati! long lasting friendships. Illuminati! The founder of Case Western University, a mayor of Chicago, a mayor of Philadelphia,

US Supreme Court Justices, senators, the guy who engineered statehood for Idaho, where I record every week, all former members of this group. Political pundits, for read. The Karyas Stone, Phillips, the founder of the Chicago Tribune, composer, Cole Porter, Harvey Cushing, aka the founder of the Chicago Tribune, composer, coal porter,

Harvey Cushing, aka the father of modern neurosurgery, Dune'sbury, cartoonist, Gary Trudeau, also, former scroll and key members. I like the name scroll and key, by the way, it's a good one. And then there's Wolfshead. Wolfshead was created by 15 rising seniors from the class of 1884. People considered possible taps for the older societies, but they didn't get tapped. And they created a so-called third society with some help from some members of the class of 1883. The society changed its name to Wolfshead in 1888, five years after forming. This formation continued, or I guess it would be, excuse me, four years after forming. This formation continued

the tradition of creating and sustaining a society. If enough potential rising seniors thought they had been overlooked by existing societies. You won't let me in your secret society. Fine. If you can't beat him, copy him. I'll just form my own secret society. A skill of bones was established after a dispute over selections for five beta cap awards. Scrolling key was established after a dispute over elections to bones. And now Wolf's head is established by kids not invited to scroll to that scroll or bones. This group also has 15 senior members also meets Thursdays and Sundays. While the Scull and Bones group are rumored to have taken much of their rituals from the

Freemasons or been influenced or inspired by Masonic rituals, the original illuminati, etc. Wolf's head apparently looked to ancient Egypt for symbolism and ritual construction. or have been influenced or inspired by Masonic rituals, the original illuminati, et cetera, wolves had apparently looked to ancient Egypt for symbolism and ritual construction. Very little is known about their inner workings other than they are thought to be pretty similar to the inner workings of any of the other secret societies at Yale.

Meetings, bios, handshakes, probably a little bit of laser tag. The usual, you know. A number of senators, noted artists, Congress members, diplomats, first president of Momma, the Museum of Modern Art, Supreme Court justices, they've all been members. And there's even less info online about the other groups.

According to information on Brazellius, did I say Brazellius earlier, it's Berselius. This society takes its intellectual mission very seriously. Invoking Socrates' exhortation, the unexamined life is not worth living, as well as stating to its prospective members that Berselius provides opportunities for achieving thoughts through an open, honest exchange of experiences, passions and opinions. This process prepares its members, whose diversity is highly valued for an active intellectually

vigorous and moral life, giving them a place in time for contemplation and reflection, so that they might rise boldly to the challenges of their lives, devoted to good character, tolerant of others, and willing to serve their communities while forging links of mine to mine in a chain unbroken. So, you know, sounds actually pretty fucking cool. These land societies all own their own buildings, which while they may look like they're on campus are, again, privately owned.

These secret society buildings are located in main campus areas where they're very visible, seen by many students every day. That visibility combined with secrecy, of course, as help lead to a lot of conspiracies. And there are many other non-landed secret societies at Yale. Secret groups that don't own their own club or flat house or tomb or fucking laser tag course, or whatever you want to call it, they'll, they may rent one.

There's spade and grave, and sword Leviathan and numerous others And I'd never thought of this before this week. There are numerous other colleges and universities across the US that also have secret societies and Have had them for a long long time Excuse me the college William and Mary became home to the first known collegiate secret society in the US the FHC society founded in 1750 The FHC society founded in 1750. The initial stand for the Latin phrase, fraternities, humanitists, cognitive, cognitive talk. Not great, Latin.

Brotherhood, humaneness and knowledge, so what it translates into. Third US President Thomas Jefferson was a member. This society is faded and completely gone away, but then been revived several years later, and then fades and gone away, but then been revived several years later and then fades and goes away and then gets revived. That's happened numerous times over the years. The nation's first collegiate Greek letter organization, Phi Beta Kappa, formed on December 5, 1776 at William & Mary, founded as a secret literary and philosophical society.

Columbia University has three secret societies. Cornell University has had many over the years, with at least four operating on campus today. Sphinx Head, Der Kicks increase, Quill and Dagger, that's a great one, Quill and Dagger, and Order of Omega. Ooh, another good one. Dartmouth, Dickinson, Duke, Emory, Fordham, Georgetown, Harvard, where secret societies are called finals clubs, and go back to 1791.

James Madison, John Hopkins, Loyola, NYU, Rutgers, Smith, University of Chicago, on and on and on and on. So many schools have versions of secret societies. Skill and bones just seems to have had more powerful members than most, and you know, they're also one of the oldest. Skill and bones, the oldest again of Yale secret societies. Like most, if not all the others, you know, made up of 15 members a year if I didn't say so already and also meet on Thursdays

and Sundays. Skilling bones was founded in 1832 by Yale, Jr., William Huntington Russell. Russell was reportedly inspired by an occult society he visited in Germany. William Russell spent a year in Germany, quote, among members of some of the most mystical and elite clubs in the world, including organizations that mimicked the Enlightenment era, Illuminati. We talked about the origins of the Enlightenment era, Illuminati in the Freemason 2 Part, long time ago, and in the Illuminati revealed the new world order conspiracy episode,

Suck 114 back in November of 2018, I'll recap what there about briefly since it has been a while. After the following sponsor break. And now we're back into the story of recapping the history of the real Illuminati, the Skull and Bones primary co-founder William Huntington Russell may have been inspired by when he traveled to Germany, stayed there a year, visited other secret societies thought to be derivative of the OG Bavarian Illuminati. They existed just a half century before Russell traveled to Germany. In Bavarian 1776,

a professor of religious law named Adam Weissacht formed a group called the Order of the Perfectableists, basically perfectionists, with the notion that through mutual aid, philosophical discussion, careful advice, they can improve morality and virtue, oppose evil, improve society, and thus reform the world in a very good way. And they came to be known, came to be called the Luminati. The word was adapted from a Latin root, Luminatus, which directly translates to enlightened. You know, they were the enlightened. It wasn't Masonic, but sounded Masonic,

and in fact, Vysop took some of his ceremonies from the rituals of some new Freemason lodges formed in his area. He did this at a time when a variety of members only organizations were super popular. In the 18th, 19th centuries in Europe, also in America, back when men's only and women's only organizations were all the rage, right? The odd fellows centuries in Europe, also in America, back when men's only and women's only organizations were all the rage, right, the odd fellows, the mouslas,

the Rebecca's and so on. And they all have the rituals. All have been formed primarily, so members can network for new business opportunities, meet like-minded and or interesting people, get away from their families, because we're herd animals and it's just plain fucking fun to be in a club with, you know, some inside jokes, handshakes, traditions, etc Vice-Ops is probably the most important name in illuminati lore Consider by many to be the founder of the real illuminati He was an avid reader and intellectual who questioned a lot of the conservative ideas of his day He was a professor of natural and canon law at the University of Ingolstadt

He was married, starting a family, he was doing deep dives into subjects like Jewish mysticism and ancient Greek philosophy in order to learn more about the world around him. I learned about the history of religion and philosophy. He was trying to enlighten himself and the Catholic Church and organization with a spiritual stranglehold on most of Europe at that time

did not particularly care for that shit. A lot of churches in my experience and in my research historically, do not encourage their adherence to enlighten themselves in this way. The more Adam study, the less of a fan of the Catholic Church and the nation's control by the Pope, he became.

He also became less of a fan of the Bavarian government, finding it to be intellectually oppressive and he began to dream of a revolution. He wanted to create a world with freedom, as he wrote under the pen name of Brother Spartacus, free from all religious prejudices, a world that cultivates the social virtues, and animates them by a great, feasible, and speedy prospect of universal happiness. To achieve this, he felt it was necessary to create a state of liberty and moral equality,

freed from the obstacles which subordination rank and riches continually throw in our way. And he formed his group to meet and secret to talk about how they could create a brave new enlightened world. Originally there were only five members. They adopted secret names like Brother Spartacus and codes to communicate with each other, Vysopt and particular had to keep his role as secret because he made his living as a professor of Catholic canon law at a Catholic university. Under again the pen name Spartacus, vice-hopped outlined a secret plan to

infiltrate the Freemasons, overthrow the governments of nations and churches, take over the world and create a new world order of tolerance for a multitude of ideas. Not just church-san sanctioned ideas. He wanted equality. In a short time, the Illuminati grew to about 2,000 members and expanded into Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Poland, Hungary, Italy. Trying hard not to say Italian things, France. Unfortunately, the Illuminati attracted both

the best and the worst of aristocratic society. And its aims began to lean far more to the destroyed governments and churches side than to the improved society side. At the same time, Vysov's Catholic students at the University of Ingolstadt will begin being increasingly pumped full of his anti-Castic rhetoric. The Jesuits figured out their betrayer, who Brother Spartacus was, and they outed him. As the confessors to the royalty of Europe, they had their own network of spies and infiltrators

and convinced the Bavarian government to arrest this man in 1784. He fled the country to avoid arrest, but left behind in criminating papers, outlining the illuminati, ambitious plans for world domination. They were widely published all over Europe to expose the illuminati's secret plans

and flush out other members, many of whom wound up in prison. And then in March of 1785, the Bavarian Crown passed an edict which expressly banned the author of the Illuminati. And then they supposedly died out in shit. So by 1785, the actual Illuminati group that for the most part sounded like a fucking cool ass group. I would love to join, thought to have come and gone. Only lasted a few years, didn't overthrow shit. Or so they would like us to believe.

But seriously, Splinter and Copycat groups of course formed under an untold number of names and the name Illuminati and any symbolism and language. The group used became, you know, underground cool. If anyone who wanted to start any new anti-establishment, subvert the dominant paradigm, fuck the man, kind of rage against the machine, kind of groups. Or for anyone who wanted to network with other powerful people and not mix, you know, with the riffraff and just, you know, sound cool. And so

other fraternal and secretive organizations continue to form as they had been, you know, prior to the formation of the Illuminati. And some of them borrowed Illuminati imagery, so they would, you know, seem all fucking hip and shit. And Russell, Skull and Bones founder, he met up with some of these groups. He was rich, his family had connections, and so of course he was able to schmooze his way into some secret societies, founded and made up of other rich connected people. Russell wanted his to form his own secret society in the US later. So he chose several members of his Yale class to be the first members of the brotherhood of death. Nice fucking metal bro.

Russell was heir to a fortune made in the opium trade to dead money, smart. He was also an intellectual. He was the valedictorian of the class of 1833, the class order, and the secretary of Phi Beta Kappa, a prestigious honest society. The one I already mentioned that had been founded the College of William and Mary in 1776, started off as a secret literary and philosophical society then became a leading academic honor society in the US. Russell Skull and Bones co-founder was Al Fanzo taft a man who would go on to become the future secretary of war on your president, Ulysses S. Grant.

Taft was also the father of president, William Howard Taft, who would also become a member of the Skull and Bone Society. William Howard Taft would stay, would say, in a 1909 speech at Yale, that his father was so determined to get a good education that he, quote, walked from Vermont to M. Hers College mass, and then he heard there was a larger college at New Haven, and he walked there. I hope that's literally true. I love that. Work for it. Hail Nimrod. Uh, Russell and Taft had four other co-founders, all were members of Phi Beta Kappa. Uh, they initially invited just eight people to join their society.

Two members came from Ohio and Illinois, uh, what were then considered Western states and two came from Southern states. The Washington Post writes rejecting the day day's anti-Musonic movement that deployed all things secret, Russell lured a select few of his most promising classmates into a covenant, sworn to secrecy for fear of repercussions by the faculty and for the prestige of exclusiveness. That little quick note about repercussions is important. When these societies were founded, yes, of course, part of the lure, right? The allure was to be in a cool club, you know, with lots of fucking schools and mantras and

bad boys' shit that made girls curious and other dudes jealous, but also just like the faculty of the University of Inglestats, how they didn't like what Adam Weisshopped was discussing with fellow students, his illuminati shit, the faculties of a lot of these early American universities did not like what students might be discussing in any kind of secret societies. The faculty at Yale tried to shut down the school of secret societies numerous times in the early years. Part of why they were unable to do so was that they weren't able to completely prove who was in these groups while they were still in school during the early years. A lot of the secrecy was born out of practicality. Every year going forward, out to initial formation, 15 members

would be chosen on tap day or tap night. Still 15 today. One evening during spring semester, juniors are selected by current senior who claps them on the shoulder. New members' names are then made public in the Yale Rumpus. The list of who is in, you know, what fucking group has been going on for years now. They do publish a name that just don't say what the activities in the group are. Members meet in a window in his room twice a week, Thursday and Sunday again, taking out the secrecy. For Skull and Bones, one meeting each week is supposedly for socializing, and then the other is for debates.

Sometimes that first meeting instead of socializing is for bios, which we'll talk about a little bit later. The society's clubhouse has a brownstone building in New Haven called the Tomb. They said Constructed Back in 1856, we'll learn more about the Tomb in the timeline of significant events. Right now, let's look at some of the conspiracies that surround the school in bones. Of course, school in bones has been the subject of various conspiracy theories for decades. People have made it their mission to expose the society's initiators, rituals and records.

In 1986, Anthony Sutton published a so-called Expose titled America's Secret Establishment, claiming that the society's goal was to create a new world order run by members of the Skull and Bone Society, which led to a whirlwind of conspiracy theories. This is a book that gets pointed to a lot in conspiracy law around Skull and Bone Society which led to a whirlwind of conspiracy theories. This is a book that gets pointed to a lot in conspiracy lore around Skull and Bone. According to the author page for Anthony Sutton was a research fellow at the Hoover Institution Stanford University from 1968 to 1973. He was a former economics professor at California State University Los Angeles. He was born in London in 1925, educated at the University of London,

gotting in and California with a doctorate of science degree from the University of South Hampton, England and passed away in Reno, Nevada in 2002. And the book he wrote is wordy and fucking boring. Holy shit, I'll summarize the key points as best I can. He says that the US Council of Foreign Relations, an independent nonpartisan member organization, think tank, specialized in US foreign policy and international relations founded in 1922 or 1921, a very influential think tank has had a lot of former Skull and Bones dudes

as members. And it has. You know, had even more bones men as, you know, had even more, uh, bones men is, you know, has, has, has, has even more non-bonesmen members, but does have a number of bones men. And the CFR has provided the CIA with a ton of classified polyrate policy recommendations over the years. Many government officials are members. And he points out that during the Eisenhower administration, 40% of the top US foreign policy officials were CFR members. Eisenhower himself, have been a council member.

Under Truman, 42% of the top posts were filled by council members. During the Kennedy administration, this number rose to 51%, peaked at 57% under the Johnson administration. But again, not all of those CFR people were bonesmen, not even close, he doesn't really ever hit that note. He'll just say like, well, this organization has a lot of bonesmen and then look at what this organization has done.

Well, yeah, it might have like 5% bonesmen. And like so the argument doesn't make sense when you actually present the percentages. The Rockefeller Foundation has funded numerous CFR studies. There have been numerous bonesmen in the Rockefeller Foundation, but again, more members have not been. The CFR has two types of membership, life membership and term membership, which lasts for five years. The first one, the term, the term membership is five years available only to those between the ages of 1336. There are over 5,000 members currently, and no mention of exactly how many current members are bones. currently. And no mention of exactly how many current members are bones.

Anthony set and asserted that within the CFR is a secret group to controls it by controlling the CFR. It actually controls US foreign policy. That policy is heading to a one world government illuminati deep state new world order situation. This talk has been going on for decades. That secret group is supposedly known as the order who composes the order to school and bones, so the school and bones controls world foreign policy boom. They are the new illuminati. They have already secretly taken over the world. How exactly does he know that?

Well, Sutton doesn't know that. He provides zero proof of that. writes a lot of words. Stretch is a lot of proverbial yarn between various thumbtack pictures and some kind of war room, but no proof. Just, you know, says it with some exclamation points. Sutton gets a lot of shit. Obviously wrong, too.

He states that only Yale has secret societies. That is unequivocally not true. He says there are only two others. Scroll and key and wolf's head. That is also definitely not true. It's not been true for a long, long, long time. It says that scroll and key and wolf's head are connected to the skull and bones. There is no evidence of that.

Nothing public at least. He just makes assertions and says, well, these are the facts. He spends much of the book listing various powerful members and pointing out that they have been important members of the United Nations, the White House, the Federal Reserve system, etc. It talks about how they have been influential in shaping US governmental policy, shaping US corporate history. He says that the bones have mostly folks on trying to remake the world to their liking

and uses the term new world order a ton, like maybe thousands of times points out that bones members have founded or control tons of very influential foundations, the Ford foundation, the Carnegie foundation, et cetera, talks a lot about the trilateral commission, similar organizations. He connects bones members to the founding of a lot of American universities and medical establishments, right? They control America's education, they control the medical science field, they control America's psychiatric facilities and philosophy, they control top law firms, have many members infiltrating the State Department of the Pentagon.

They decide what wars to wage and how to wage them. They control American banking, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the? Well, I love this. His like primary, his evidence that he starts off with is he is he quotes a random obscure artist, Margaret Elizabeth Stucky, born in 1928. Can't figure out if she's still alive or not. The internet doesn't seem to really care about her. And Marge once said, primitive minds who have not yet found

God and sophisticated who have rejected him, desire the mask and the skull. Boom, fact, print it, March said it. So it's true. Marge only speaks truth. Does Anthony actually share any proof of anything definitively nefarious that the group is up to? Does he provide proof of their devilish inner workings

of them feeding babies to boffamette or slitting virgin's throats and drinking their blood while screaming incantations to the dark lord. Well, no, of course not. Basically he acts like it's big news that an organization that for most of America's history has been based in one of the top two US universities in terms of prestige, an organization that sought the 15 best students each year from one of the best classes of students in the nation each year, the cream of the crop, you know, from America's wealthiest and most powerful families, and somehow it's shocking that this organization would place members in many of America's most important roles.

Fucking what? It would be shocking if they didn't do that. The sons and recently also daughters of America's most powerful families who graduated from one of the nation's best schools hand picked Because current members and undoubtedly former members think they have potential for greatness of course those people Are gonna end up in the most powerful positions in the nation some of them Right this group is fucking built for career power play networking at the highest level That is not conspiracy, that is business. The skill and bones is a networking group.

They got it start almost 200 years ago, a group full of so much old money and talent right from the start. And some things that is shocking, that it would kick out a ton of leaders and important government officials, and then once in important groups, he thinks it's shocking that these people would then recruit more of their closest friends from college, people typically who are extremely intelligent and will educate and connected. And then these people, people who joined a group built on chasing

enlightenment, wild that they would want to shape the world and make it the way that they want it to be. Not shocking. That's logical. Not conspiracy, human nature. If you fell into a ton of money, fell into some power. And, you know, are you more likely to surround yourself with people you know, or people you don't? Why are you rich and powerful people, often marry rich and powerful people? Well, because for starters, they have a lot in common.

Well, I fell in love with Lindsey because we had a lot in common. Both came from, you know, both of us came from poor blue collar backgrounds, both of us artistic, adventurous, wanna try and change the future of our families first, you know, for our kids and blah blah blah. We we loved dream big I promoted the social groups connected to this show for years

Why because it's a great way to meet other people you have something in common with it is natural to seek out those who you have something in common with And if you are also very ambitious and born into privilege and driven by a lust for power If you grew up with all the creature comforts and were raised to seek enough money to keep those comforts coming in, would you not also seek out people who can help you into the most important and lucrative career situations possible? Fucking yes, of course you would. And another advantage of the wealthy sticking with the wealthy, you don't have to worry about losing the family fortune in a divorce to some gold digger if you marry into more fortune

That is not evil. It's smart. It's not romantic certainly But it's smart. I'm sure wealthy people do have people trying to marry them for a slice that big fat pie left and right So yes for a variety of reasons wealthy birds of a feather often do flock together and yes because of that There have been skull and bones members and many many important influential institutions and they will continue to be. Do they want to change the world? Yeah, I bet they do. I do.

So do you. I'm guessing that all to me is not a conspiracy. Again, it's just how the world works. You know, another conspiracy, much smaller one is that the Skull and Bone stole Geronimo's skull and hit it in the tomb. In 2009, Geronimo's descendants actually sued Skull and bones in an attempt to have the skull handed back to them. I'll talk about that in the timeline.

And the tomb also allegedly home to President Martin Ben Burran and Pancho via Skulls. Proof of this? No, just allegations. The society has also been associated with the JFK assassination. Any proof of that? No, just random allegations. You know, so and so was in the CIA when Kennedy was killed and so and so was also a Bonesman, so ta-da! It's right there hiding in plain sight.

Most conspiracy theorists are not very good at the concept of correlation does not imply causation. Right, a large number of powerful people were once members of Skull and Bones. Yes, the story once compared Skull and Bones to an international mafia. MJ Stevie wrote for Time Magazine in 2009, Bones men have at one time controlled the fortunes of the Carnegie Rockefeller and Ford families, as well as post in the Central Intelligence Agency, the American Psychological Association, the Council on Foreign Relations and some of the most powerful law firms in the world. What they don't point out in little statements like that,

though, is not at the same time. And these organizations have been around some of them for well over a century and have leadership changes every few years on average. So it's like, okay, you had this guy leading this organization and fucking 1891 and then another dude leading this other organization in 1924. And what these people don't point out is all the other leaders who have nothing to do with the skull and bones. Like if every single leader of all these groups,

all were connected back to the skull and bones. Then I'm like, Oh, okay, there's fucking something here. 2004 George Bush John Kerry Kerry both former members ran for president against one another that did a lot to stir the They control the world pot. What both candidates are bones men. It's all rigged no matter who you choose you choose bones men And yeah, that was true for one fucking election One of many Yale graduate author Alexander Robbins once spoke with MSNBC host Keith Obernman about Skull and Bones. We're gonna quote her a lot going forward.

She was a member of Skull and Key. She wrote secrets of the tomb, Skull and Bones, the Ivy League, and the hidden paths of power published in 2002. And Obernman asked her, there seems to be no middle ground about this organization. You know, talking about Skull and Bones, of course. Either the group is viewed as the warm up act

for the trilateral commission, or it is a society devoted to making people thinking that it's nefarious and then giggling when people take it seriously, which is it closer to being. Robins answered, it's actually closer to the middle ground. There are conspiracy theories that you'll hear that are based on nuggets of truth. The sole purpose of skull and bones is to get members

into positions of power. And then have those members hire other members to prominent positions, networking, which is something that President Bush has done. Basically, this is probably the most powerful and elite alumni network in the country. And that's the significance of sculling bones, right? And there you go.

The most powerful and elite alumni network. I totally believe that, right? And is called sculling bones, right? And it's connected in the roundabout ways, The most powerful and elite alumni network. I totally believe that. And it's called School of Bones. And it's connected in the roundabout way to the original Luminati. Well, just guarantees that it's gonna rile up conspiracy theorists for many, many years.

Alexander graduated Schumacomalotti. He's written five New York Times bestseller sheet appeared on just about every national news program in existence over the last decade or two decades from NPR to CBS, CNN, C-SPAN, so many more. The history channel Comedy Central's Cold Bear Report, 60 minutes coast to coast AM, on and on, written for the LA Times, the Atlantic, the Washington Post, and more. Want a ton of awards for her writing. She does seem to be sure like a pretty damn credible source of information. She's written about many of Yale's famous secret societies.

damn credible source of information. She's read about many of Yale's famous secrets of the societies. Scrolling key, wolf's head, Brazellious, book and snake. Let's talk about some terminology and symbols used by the groups she wrote about most, the Skull and Bones. The members of Skull and Bones are generally referred to as bones men as I've been saying.

And sometimes since women became allowed to join bones. Women graduate members of bones are called patriots members still undergoing initiation uh slash current members sometimes called knights outsiders are referred to as barbarians fucking love how elitist that is well i don't think the school of bones is some evil conspiratorial one world controlling kebal i do think that many of them you know there's a good chance they're elitist pricks i mean mean, raising so much wealth and privilege, you know, getting the Yale, you getting to this elite group of 15 people a year, well, that's exactly how you become an

elitist prick if you're not careful. The society uses the term temple for their meeting place, often called the tomb. The symbol of the group is a skull with two crossbones with the number 322 beneath it. Yale alumni magazine writes that one popular theories that the number represents the year three 22 BCE when Alexander the Great died. Another explanation for the number is that it marks the death of Demastonese, a famed Greek order, big name in the world of public speaking and debate. I'll explain who he was in the timeline. I think he was important to the group's founding. The Skullin bones society was originally named the Yuleji in club. Skull and Bones lore often references a fictional goddess of eloquence named Yuleji.

I'll talk about her later too. She's maybe a kin somewhat to our Lucifina. Hey, Lucifina. Now let's discuss just a few of the famous members of Skull and Bones, mainly former presidents George H. W. Bush and his son George W. Bush. Since they seem to be by far the main targets of the conspiracy minded, you know, school and bones is the new world order crowd. And I'll weave in and out of some of their rituals as we learn about the bushes and

others. Three presidents have been bones been right, the bushes and William Howard taft and no one conjures up images of world domination, like one term president, Billy Taft. They don't actually have that many presence overall for a group accused of running the world. Right, two of the three led for only one term, and then were defeated by a non-bonesman, probably to throw us off their trail.

Dozens of bonesmen have been senators and congressmen over the past two centuries, 23 US senators by my count. I did add them up myself off an internet list so I could be off. Most of them in the 1800s. There have been a ton of generals ambassadors, Supreme Court justices, the list is massive. So many mayors. One head of the CIA, also president Bush, a few CIA agents, actor Paul Jamadi, the guy who found in the Pittsburgh penguins and a jail team, Pulitzer prize winners, Olympians. Honestly, outside of a handful of the politicians,uins, and it's all team Pulitzer prize winners, Olympians. Honestly, outside of a handful of the politicians, most of them are names that I do not recognize.

Way more recognizable names have come from Harvard in his clubs. The most recognizable, uh, recognizable names by far are the two president bushes, the younger bush, wrote in his 1999 autobiography, my senior year, I joined the Skull and Bones, a secret society. So secret, I can't say anything more. And when that book was published, like many were like, aha, those motherfuckers, they're rubbing their world domination plans right in our faces. I just because he won't talk about the secrets.

Bush actually would criticize the A.O. for its intellectual snobbery and said that the school epitomizes a certain East Coast attitude and intellectual arrogance. Now did he say that because he meant it or did he say that because he wanted to get votes from the blue collar crowd. Bush has seemed to distance himself from skull and bones over the years. Alexander Robbins, the author and Yale alum we met earlier wrote, the elder George holds his fellow Yelies, particularly his bones brethren in greatest team. And over the years has often gone to them for advice. George W. in contrast has publicly made a point of his disdain for the elite northeastern connections that shaped his father's world and to some

extent his own. Bush's dismissal of Yale and all it stands for maybe a response to the repeated charges of political opponents that he is not much more than a pop-as-boy. Robbins wrote that the Yale admissions committee that voted to admit Georgeorge w bush had three members who are bones what a Yale admissions committee had three members who were members of a Yale club fucking crazy

after george w graduated was rejected by uh... the university of texas law school he called fellow bones men robber h gau and bobby told the washington post that he hired Bush as a management trainee for his agricultural company. 1977 when Bush started our bus to energy. He received help from his uncle Jonathan Bush, also a Bonesman and $565,000 from 28 investors, at least a few of whom were Bonesman. Twelve Bonesman gave money to Bush's gubernatorial campaign in 1998 and at

least 46 bones men or sons of bones men donated money to his presidential campaign. Old money connections helping him. That's wild. Bush called conspiracy theorists about him regarding the E. Scullen bones, the kind of connect the random dots charges that are virtually impossible to refute. And that would be annoying. to literally just being a club that isn't being nefarious and be unable to convince people of that because it is secretive. Like how many angry people have screamed at the former president for his membership. Thank you for the secret service. They are needed.

The elder Bush was harmed by his membership in the Skull and Bones at least once in the 1980 presidential election. In 1980, he lost the Republican nomination to Ronald Reagan when the eighth commissioner of Major League Baseball failed Vincent called him afterwards Bush supposedly said, Hey, let me tell you something. If you ever decide to run for office, don't forget that coming from and over Yale, Skolen bones and the trilateral commission is a big handicap.

People don't know what they are so they don't know where you're coming from. It's a really is a big handicap. People don't know what they are, so they don't know where you're coming from. It's a really big, big problem. Yeah, I don't think he's wrong. I think people fear often what they don't understand and they don't understand these groups because they're secretive. I mean, he would later become president, so it didn't hurt him that much.

However, I'm sure he's still lost some votes, due to his connection, due to him, you know, because of being a bonesman, being bona fide, illuminati in the eyes of many. American journalist, you know, because of being a bonesman, being bona fide, illuminati in the eyes of many. American journalist, literary critic, and maybe pretty dramatic guy. Author Ron Rosenbaum has written a lot about the bones over the years, including a big investigative journalism piece for Esquire, 1977, called the last secrets of skull and bones that really added to conspiracy interest and lore. This was widely read. that really added to conspiracy interest in lore. This was widely read.

Rosenbaum's 1977 article believed to be the first expose of this secret society. And he became interested in skull and bones when he was a student at Yale. He was a member of the same graduating class as George W. Bush and lived right next door to the tomb. Rosenbaum wrote in his expose, I can trace my personal fascination with the mysterious goings-on in the sepulcher across

the street, to a spooky scene I witnessed on its shadowy steps, late one April night to eleven years ago. I was in a sophomore's Yale living in Jonathan Edwards. The residential college built next to the bones tomb. It was part of Jonathan Edwards folklore that on the April evening, following tap-knighted bones, if one could climb to the tower of Wear Hall, the odd castle that overlooks the bones courtyard.

One could hear strange cries and moans coming from the bowels of the tomb as the 15 newly tapped members were put through what sounded like a harrowing ordeal. Returning alone to my room late at night, I would always cross the street rather than walk the sidewalk that passed right in front of bones. Even at that safe distance, something about it made my skin crawl. Huh, is it just me or does this guy kind of come across like a mellow dramatic dork? Kind of guy who would still get

spooked as an adult watching a Scooby-Doo movie or something. But that night in April I wasn't alone. A classmate and I were coming back from an all-night diner at about two in the morning. At the time I knew little about the mysteries of bones or any of the other huge, windalous, secret society tombs that dominated with dark authority, certain key corners of the campus. They were nothing like conventional fraternities. No one lived in the tombs. Instead every Thursday and Sunday night the best and brightest on campus, the 15 seniors and skull and bones and an scrolling key, book and snake, wolf's head, brazelious, and

all the secret societies. He says seven, some sort of say, disappeared into the respective tombs and spent hours doing something, something they were sworn to secrecy about. And bones it was said was the most ritualistic and secretive of all. Even the very door to the bones tomb, that huge triple padlocked iron door was never permitted to open in the presence of an outsider. All this was floating to my impressionable soft more mind. That night, as my friend Mike and I approached the stone pylons guarding the entrance to

bones. Suddenly, we froze to the site of a strange thing lying on the steps. There, in the gloom of the doorway on the top step, was a long white object that looked like the thigh bone of a large mammal. I remained frozen. Mike was more vengerous, he walked right up the steps and picked up the bone. I wanted to get out of there fast, I was certain we were being spied upon from a concealed window. Mike couldn't decide what to do with the bone. I wanted to get out of there fast, I was certain we were being spied upon from a concealed window. Mike couldn't decide what to do with the bone. Went up to the door and began examining the array of padlocks.

Suddenly a boat shot, the mass of door began to swing open and something reached out at him from within. He gasped, terrified, and jumped back, but not before something clutched the bone, yanked out of his hand and back into the darkness within. The door slammed shut with a clang, that rang in our ears as we ran away. Wait, what? Something reached out of him. Come on, Rosenbaum, what are you doing here? Don't you mean some dude, some member of skull of bones, reached out and grabbed the bone or or did you see a fucking monster?

A demon, a race. Come on. You saw some normal ass college guys arm, but you have floured up the language. You darkened it all when you wrote your article to help get published. Come on. Years later, April of 1977, Rosenbaum stood out to see just how secure the secrets of skull and bones were. Based on his age, I assume the previous story happened around 1966. He was born in 1946.

And now in 1977, he decided to spend the week of tap night and initiation night in New Haven asking question, seen what he can find out. He said he wouldn't ask the bonesman directly to share any secrets. He didn't want to let them know he was in the area, but he would ask around see if they had slipped any info to an outsider. Rosenbaum said he only left out information that could be easily traced back to its source in his publication. Some of the sources expressed fear of retaliation and Rosenbaum was warned that three bonesmen

were on the board of his bank and that he would never get a line of credit again if he shared too much. Come on. How was that threat? I mean, if they fuck with his line of credits, whatever could he possibly do? I don't know, maybe easily withdraw all of his money, put it in one of so many other banks, the same fucking day, apply for a new line of credit, and then just casually move on with his life.

Risking his precious line of credit, Rosenbaum, the brave, the courageous. He pushed forward and he obtained annotated floor plans and Adacea, excuse me, on rituals compiled by another secret society that did contain information on a 1940 supposed bonesman ritual. New man placed in coffin, carried into central part of building.

New man chanted over and reborn into society, removed from coffin and given robes with symbols on it. A bone with his name on it tossed into the bone heap at the start of every meeting. Initiates plunge naked into mud pile. Plunge naked into the mud pile. The scullabones haze initiates a homo erotically? Like so many other frats have done for their entire fucking history as part of the past few decades? New world order or same old frat boy shit? Rosenbaum kept watch on April 15, 1977, tap night. He

wrote the 15 seniors from all the secret societies would go to the rooms of the tapies and knock on the doors when the person opened the door specifically for skull and bones, they would slam them on the shoulder, ask them, uh, skull and bones. Do you accept? If the candidate said yes, they would receive a message wrapped in black ribbon and sealed in black wax with the emblem, which gives them a time and place for their initiation, the following Tuesday, they would be instructed to wear no metal. Okay. Uh, Rosenbaum followed two young men who seemed like they were on their way to tap somebody.

He heard that the initiates were taken to a ceremony at a different location before the initiation. Eventually, the two men got into a car and drove off and Rosenbaum chose not to follow. What? Come on, Rosenbaum. You silly bitch. What are you doing? Investigating a group like this when you scare so easily.

On April 20th, Rosenbaum said he returned to the tomb to try to watch the initiate. He saw the first initiate approach the door just before 8 p.m. The door's open. The young man held his hands up like someone was pointing a gun at him. Rosenbaum source informed him that earlier the initiate was led, led blindfolded to a bone's house and taken to the basement. Two older members dressed in skeleton suits made him swear an oath to keep the initiation secret. The initiate would then go through some sort of initiation ceremony in the tomb, followed by another initiation ceremony involving the

coffin in room 322. The initiation was referred to as the death of the initiate. He was told each member has to complete an intense two-part confessional experience. On Thursday, the new member tells their life story on Sunday. they then give details about their sexual history. In recent years, female initiates have leaked complaints about that part of joining. One woman said, I objected to 14 guys knowing whether I was a good lay. Yeah. It was like after that, each of them thought I was his woman in some way. Yeah, that's creepy. Now a picture in male members just jerking off while the female members in the coffin talking about our sex life. Uh, yes, uh, yes, tell us more, we want to bond with you. Uh, but yeah, pray fucking pretty creepy. Uh, the bones would not accept

in, uh, start accepting women until the 1990s. Bones started admitting Jewish people in the early 1950s, black people in 1949. Supposedly homosexual members began to be accepted around 1977. Once a member Rosenbaum was told by an anonymous source that each initiate reportedly received a no strings gift of $15,000 from the Russell Trust Association, RTA, the corporation that owns the tomb and other Skull and Bones property. And you heard rumors that they would be guaranteed a secure income for life. Another anonymous source told Rosenbaum

that the society would help a downtrodden member with interest-free loans, but the only outright contribution they would receive was the $15,000. In the late summer before senior year starts, Rosenbaum was told the new initiates would visit Deer Island. Deer Island lies in the St. Lawrence River,

bordering New York and Canada. Threatfully, Deer Island is wealthyer Island lies in the St. Lawrence River, bordering New York and Canada. Threatfully, Deer Island is wealthy, 40 private acres inside the city limits of the town of Alexandria, a town of about 4,000 people, very, very hoitty, toyty-looking area based on pictures, very scenic and quaint reeks of old money, again, just based on looking at picks online. And the island is owned by the RTA, the business name for the School of Bone Society, established by bones co-founder William Russell. According to a 2016 filing with the IRS, the Russell Trust Association has assets of just under $4 million, which includes the so-called Tumat Yale. Also, according to the IRS filing, the Association engages in

educational programs, structured programs of intellectual inquiry, sensitivity training and personal development for her students of Yale University, focusing on topics of intellectual, political or cultural importance. Recent topics have included Homeland Security, Corporate Governance, and US International Relations. Rosenbaum wrote, there hidden hidden among the thousand islands. The reborn initiate truly finds himself on an Isle of the Blessed. For there, on this place called Dear Island,

are assembled the active bones alumni in their families. And there he gets a sense of how many powerful establishment institutions are run by wonderful civilized, silver-haired bonesmen, eager to help the initiate establishment dreams come true. He can also meet the wives of bonesmen of all ages and get a sense of what kind of woman is most acceptable in appropriate and bone society. And perhaps even meet that most acceptable of all types of women, the daughter of a bonesman. And

again, this written back in 1977. Yeah, sounds like a fucking incredible network and opportunity. But a lot of those uh... bones been dotters powerful wealthy and uh... you know pretty fucking cool are uh... uh... uh... excuse me rozenbaum also reported he seemed to have found definite if skeletal links between the origins of bones rituals and those of the notorious bavarian

luminists yeah totally we already uh... went over that mhm they are linked you know barely to the Illuminati. Rosenbaum also discovered the file in Claw breaking pamphlet in a box of documents in the library's manuscript room under the Russell Trust Association. Now, what is this? A group called the Order of the File and Claw broke into the tomb in 1876. There's been numerous secret societies that have come and gone and they recorded what they found and that'll

be discussed more in the timeline what they found. For now, the file in Klau wrote, bones is the chapter of a core of a German university. It should probably be called the Skullenbohns chapter. General Russell, its founder, was in Germany before his senior year and formed a warm friendship with a leading member of a German society. The meaning of the permanent number 322 and all bones literature is that it was founded in 1832 as the second chapter of the German society. So, you know, 32 and then the second, 322. But the bonesman has a pleasing fiction that his fraternity is a descendant of an old Greek patriot society founded by Demosthenes, or Demosthenes, who died in 3332, Jesus, 322 BCE.

The group described a German slogan painted on the walls above the vault of room 322, which appears above a painting of skulls surrounded by Masonic symbols. The picture is reportedly a gift of the German chapter. In English, the slogan means, who was the fool, who was the wise man, beggar, or king, whether poor or rich, all's the same in death Yeah, that's true make all the money you want you can't take it with you in the end We're all ground into the exact same kind of dust time time time. I always wins Except for me, of course, I have plans. I become a very cool robot. I'll have you know her the fuck up Tesla

It's gonna be hard for me to transform into some kind of terminator sky net bot. If you wait until I'm too old to get, you know, all the robots up and running. Anyway, Rosenbaum found this same slogan in a 1798 Scottish anti-illuminous tract. The tract has excerpts from alleged illuminous ritual manuals confiscated by the very police when the illuminati was shut down in 17985

Towards the end of the initiation ceremony quote a skeleton is pointed out to the initiate at the feet of which are laid a crown and sword He is asked whether that is the skeleton of a king nobleman or a beggar as he cannot decide the president of the meeting says to him The character of being a man is the only one that is of importance. Okay, so they copied some old illuminati shit. Cool. And, you know, pretty cool little ritual there. Rosenbaum described a photo of the altar room of a Masonic lodge in Nuremberg. The photo shows an aisle of hanging human skeletons, and at the altar there was a coffin with a skull and crossbones above it. He says, now you can look at this three ways. The Eastern establishment is the demonic creation of a clen-design elite manipulating history.

And skull and bones is one of its recruiting centers. A more plausible explanation as is that the death's head symbolism was so prevalent in Germany when the impressionable young Russell visited that he just stumbled on the same motherload of pseudo-masonic memory as the Illuminous. Bingo! The third possibility as Zet the Breakin pamphlets are an elaborate fraud designed by the file in Claw Crew to pin the taint of Illuminism on bones and the rituals of bones have innocent Athenian themes, 322 being only the dates of the death of Demastonies. That can also be true

Rosenbaum also wrote that Skullin bones could be a sort of eugenics project to bring vigorous new genes into elite bloodlines Bring on the adrenal chrome. He also wrote that the sexual autobiography may have served some eugenic purpose and That is just some wild ass speculation on Rosenbaum's part, based on nothing more than his imagination. After writing his Esquire article, Rosenbaum continued investigating Skull of Bones. Many years later, he and his team recorded an infamous initiation ritual. I'll talk about that later in the timeline. Play a little bit. Rosenbaum explained that the main reason for the public's obsession with the secret society in a 2003 CBS interview saying

I think there is a deep and legitimate distrust in America for power and privilege that are cloaked in secrecy It's not supposed to be the way we do things. We're supposed to do things out in the open in America And so that any society or institution that hints that there is something hidden is, I think, a legitimate subject for investigation. Okay. I mean, yeah, legitimate subject for investigation somewhat. Oh, all right, fine. But are we supposed to do everything out in the open? I don't know about that. Should everyone know what goes on in the government?

I know some people think that. I don't think that at all. I think a lot of the people have screamed a lot of stuff. I'm like, I want to know what's going on there. Are not mentally capable of handling that information properly, right? It would fuck over our national security different things.

Should it be a need to know basis? I think it should. Companies don't share everything that they do with the public. Even if they share transcripts from official meetings, they still don't share everything. Plenty of private conversations are not intended for customers to hear, and that's just how it's always been. I'm pretty transparent, but I don't share every detail of what goes on here with everyone. What don't I share? Well, none of your fucking business. I would argue that there is a level of secrecy to every business,

even if it's small, and a level of secrecy to everyone's personal lives as well. Do you share every thought you have to anyone who wants to know it? And I mean, every thought, every sexual fantasy, every intrusive, why the fuck am I even thinking this right now, thought? Every petty jealous thought, every judgmental cruel thought? No, you don't, get the fuck out of here. Not 100%, you don't. There is an element of secrecy to life,

but when you apply that element to groups of people who are powerful, well, now some people cry, conspiracy, reveal your secrets. It reminds me of fucking paparazzi who think that, you know, various, you know, high level celebrities just don't have a right to secrecy. Yet to do. Yeah, could there be a conspiracy? Yeah, there could, but secrecy and power do not equate directly to conspiracy. Alexander Robin said this about the group's purpose.

There's no specific creed that they're supposed to go out and spread. They do have this agenda to further and bolster their superiority complex and to get his members into positions of power and to have those members higher other members into similar positions of power. This theory supported by the actions of George W. Bush, who nominated or appointed at least 10 bonesman to positions such as head of the Securities and Exchange Commission, Assistant Attorney General, General Counsel to the Office of Homeland Security, and ambassador to Trinidad and Tobago. But yeah, of course he did. All right, they were the cream of the crop from a school that largely accepts the cream of the crop. They were people he shared a connection with, and I'm sure a lot of this was based on a series of favors. You help me with my campaign. I'll help you get a coaching job

later, or I'll help your friend or cousin or whatever is that nefarious or is that just the same kind of nepotism and networking that has gone on for the entirety of human civilization and will continue to go on. This guy's dad and granddad were in the same group. I'm sure he grew up surrounded by bones. Of course, he's going to have friendships, relationships, appoint some of them, some of the comics, you know, that I have opened up for me on the road, that I picked them because I scoured the comedic landscape for the best up and coming comics, a true meritocracy,

where did I give some work to some old friends? In some cases, definitely old friends. Doesn't mean they're not good comics, they are. But they're also old friends, and that's the main reason. I picked them. Yeah, people like to work with, you know, who they like. And also with the, with the Alexander, I don't say there is that Bush appointed even more non-bones, non-bones meant to other important positions.

Uh, when Tim Russell from meet the press asked George Bush about Skull and Bones in February of 2002, he said, it's so secret. We can't talk about it. When Russell asked John Kerry in August of 2003, what it meant to the, he and George Bush were both members. He said, not much because it's a secret. Dan Oldenburg wrote for the Washington Post in 2003, some critics say bones produces elitist leaders

who are myopic on America's social and economic challenges. Others argue that for potential candidate, that for presidential candidates to profess loyalty to a secret society, particularly one that for a time didn't admit minorities and women that is contrary to democratic principles. Oh, come on, that's doing some fucking presentism there where it's like,

oh, particularly one that for a time didn't admit minorities and women, none of them did that back in the 19th century. Literally none of these one, like these fraternal organizations. So to single out this one, an act like it's, you know, contrary to democratic principles,

that's like saying, well, all of America was contrary to democratic principles for a time. Bill Minutaglio, oh man, my God. Bill Italian last name. Minutaglio, Minutaglio. By the way, before I go further, I did see, I check again, like review some time to get a feel for like the pulse of what people are thinking.

And there was a recent one on Apple podcasts about TimeSuck and it was a very Italian name. And I did not care reference your man in the next episode, fucking hated my guts. And because I did the Italian Ovo Asa, just called me a racist. I thought that was hilarious. It's like, or a silly goose. But Bill, journalist and author of First Sun, George W. Bush and the Bush Family Dynastie told to Washington Post, it is really by definition an extremely exclusive club for the Wellseeing Connected. Put all that together and suddenly in the year 2004, realized that two men who are running for the most important office on the planet Earth come out of the exact same mausoleum and it should give you pause. And reason to think about what it means to be privileged, enabled, and

protected in the United States. George W. Bush's financing of his first oil company is partnership on the Texas Rangers and the money behind his campaigns were supported by a skull and bones according to bill. George W. went for me and a self-described good time, Charlie, to present out the United States largely with the help of an inner circle of his parents, friends, his own trusted pals and brothers from Yale, Skull and Bones. All right. Fuck it.

So what? Also, John Kerry, who he ran against, had a bunch of Yale, Skull and Bones buddies. And George received more than three million votes than Kerry. His old buddies would not have gotten him elected if he also didn't have charisma and intelligence, some good ideas. I mean, come on. This argument that like, uh, president, even the president, I've liked the least. I never think they're fucking stupid, like just super dumb.

Uh, I don't know. Everyone who gets elected president gets lots of help. Does it really matter if it comes from the skull and bones or not? Now let's look at some skull and bones, initiation rituals in society rules. Uh, reportedly Henry loose, the man who, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media,

and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, and social media, other sex lives. I probably would have wanted to start a secret club, right? Just to pull that out for sheer entertainment value. Uh-huh. And how long did you last? I feel like I need a music for this. And how long did you last, Henry? Five minutes? Are you sure about that?

Do we need to call an asker, Henry? I'm 45 seconds, that's more like it. And when you were done, you did put your hand on your penis and then quickly thrust that same hand into your mouth and sucked off all the moisture before burping and shouting delicious mother. May I please have another helping before I go to bed, didn't you? I mean all of us have done that. It is the normal thing to do and you are a normal boy, aren't you Henry? I see. You forgot. But now that you think about it, you do remember doing

that excellent, hey, Hank, I was fucking kidding about that. That was really, really weird. Right? That was weird that you just admitted to doing that from the Coffin of Truth. That's going to the book. No changing it. Ah, no, no, no, no, your new nickname is mommy dick juice and there will be no changing that Not here in the skull and bones 1937 later Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart allegedly dressed up as a skeleton and howled wildly Excuse me howled wildly at a fellow initiate make George Bundy US National Security Advisor to Kennedy and Johnson Hello initiate, make George Bundy, US national security advisor to Kennedy and Johnson allegedly wrestled naked at a mud by a fuck yeah, bro, couple hot hard school and bones father deadies covered in Yale mud and the rossling.

All said to be part of the initiation to the school and bone society. The two main sources of information for this section are once again Alexander Robinson, Ron Rosenbaum. Robin said she reached out to more than 300 bones men, only 100 roughly spoke to her, few of them were willing to be identified. Ron cited disenchanted girlfriends of members as the main source of his info, it's pretty funny.

Alexander said she received harassment and threats while working on a book. She claimed she got a call from a bonesman who warned her, there are a lot of us in journalism and political institutions across the country. Good luck with your career. And that is creepy. That does make me wonder, you know, what the fuck are they hiding? Something really shady, some global conspiracy, or do some members just not want the public to know,

you know, what they were talking about when they were fucking naked in the coffin, going over their sexist pates or, you know, mud rasslin with some other dude, nude. Not all the details of the initiation ceremony are clear, but from what we do know, going over their sexes or mud ratchaelin with some other dude nude. Not all the details of the initiation ceremony are clear, but from what we do know, it seems different involves an elaborate game of dress up with fake murders in school kissing. The initiation literally starts in room 322. Excuse me, refer to it as the inter temple

or the sanctum sanctorum blocked off by a locked iron door inside the room as a case containing a skeleton nicknamed Madame Pompedor. Compartments in the case, I know I'm giving different version to this just based on what different people have said. Compartments in the case also hold different manuscripts like the secrecy oath and the initiation instructions. According to Alexander Robbins, some patriarchs members who have already graduated participate in the initiation. One of them serves as the supervisor called Uncle Toby.

The Inter Temple is cleared out except for two chairs in a table. Uncle Toby, where's it robe? Fuck, I love the name Uncle Toby. It speaks to me about how this is all just a silly game. The shortest member dresses as the little devil. One bone's been dresses as Don Quijote, another in papal clothing, another as Eli Hu Yehl, four as so-called shakers and the rest were skeleton costumes.

And the initiation script, safe that Uncle Toby should sound like the only sane person in the room. This is some great absurd theater. When an initiate enters the room, the patriarch standing outside 32 shout, who is it? The shakers then yelled initiate initiate's name Bobby and the patriarch repeats it. The shakers pushed the initiate towards the table. The initiate is ordered to read it. The initiate is taken to a picture of their fake goddess, uh, uh, allugia or excuse me, uh, you, it's made a fucking word. Eulogy and the members shout, Eulogy, Eulogy, Eulogy, Eulogy.

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and taps the bones on his left shoulder and says, by order of our order, I dub the Knight of Eulogyia. After the initiation ceremony, each member gets one Sunday night to recount their sexual history. That ritual is called CB, meaning Canubia Bliss. Some reports do say that members masturbate in the coffin while telling their sexual history. Others say they just lay in the coffin and talk.

God, if they're masturbating, that would be a reason for some high ranking officials to not want their secrets to get out. It's not what the general public to hear about how they jerked off in a fucking coffin surrounded by a bunch of disguised classmates dressed up as skeletons and popes and shit. You know, maybe while crying and confessing to being completely unfuckable or something, that's gonna cost you some votes. Can you cry and masturbate at the same time, by the way, actually? I've never done that one. What a strange mixture of feelings that would be.

I'm so sad. I'm so horny too. What if you could only get horny if you were also sad? Man, what a mind fuck. Anyway, after their sexual history, each member gets a chance and tells their life history to life history, or LH.

The members swear that they will keep everything. They hear a secret, which allows the members to be vulnerable and share their deepest secrets. And that does sound like some Scientology shit, right? Is this the way to build deep trust or to gain future blackmail material? You know, I guess it could be both. 6.30 pm on Thursdays and Sundays, group meets for dinner, scull of bones, supposedly has a strict dry society rule, which means they don't drink during meetings in the tomb. Interestingly, the tomb runs five minutes ahead of real time. According to one member, it was to encourage you to

think that being in the building was so different from the outside world that you would let your guard down. Really, that's having a clock run five minutes off a composite. At 755, Uncle Toby rings a bell to signal the start of the session. The new members seeing sacred anthems followed by the hearing of excuses, where members are given fines for errors, Uncle Toby then draws debate topics and the order of speakers from a skull spooky. One bonesman said about the CB Canubioblis after the first one or two times, it's like guys listing their conquest and it gets old. Another said, there's just not that much to talk about. It's the kind of stuff a lot of guys do with their teammates.

There was nothing perverse or surreal or purient just an open exchange. Everyone has shared their CB by mid-autumn, so then sessions which over to life histories. One source told Alexander Robbins that George H.W. Bush talked about his military service and also about his family and his future in his life history primarily. George W. Bush talked a lot about his dad. Not only did you think of him, there is a video on YouTube of him speaking at his father's funeral and I will say it is extremely touching. Ken Cohen, fellow member, he did love his dad. Fellow member of Skoll and Bones class or does.

Sorry. Ken Cohen, a fellow member of Skoll and Bones class of 68 with President Bush. Also recalled that George W was very vulnerable during his talk, saying George was very feeling and sensitive at a time when that wasn't quite in Vogue yet. Alexander Robbins wrote that new members received secret names. Some of them received traditional names noting function or existential status. Others received names chosen by their predecessors. Some choose their own names. The tallest member often called Long Devil. Varsity football captain would be called Boaz. Other nicknames come from literature, religion, myths. Magog is the man with the most sexual experience and Gog is the member with the least. Oh man, it's a bummer to be Gog, I guess. Well, unless that's what you want. William Howard Taft, George H.W. Bush were both Mugogs.

Oh, okay. George W. Bush chose Nicknamed Temporary because he struggled to choose a name. Pretty funny. Temporary, better than Gog. New members must swear total allegiance to the group, and there are rumors that they must agree to give part of their estates to the skull and bones.

If they do this, they are promised lifelong financial stability, which motivates them to not spill any secrets according to Robbins. Then again, we're hearing different accounts of what these things may be. Robbins told CBS, I believe the point of the year and the tomb is to forge such a strong bond between these 15 new members that after they graduate, for them to betray skull and bones would be to betray their 14 closest friends. After the initiations, new members spend a week with patriarchs on dear island. They really fucked up naming that island. They should have worked on a more conspiratorial sounding name, really get people riled up more

with something like Eve's Garden or the serpent pit, the Isle of 33 demons. Something like that. Uh, let's learn a bit more about the island now. Dear Island, a country retreat on the river. It was once a venue for tennis and other gatherings, but, uh, is now reportedly in disrepair. Uh, Robbins wrote about dear island saying, Skull and bones doesn't own an opulent island hideaway, like the one depicted in the Skull's film.

It does own an island on the St. Lawrence River. Dear Island, Alexander Bay, the 40 acre retreat is intended to give bonesman an opportunity to get together and rekindle old friendships. How scandalous. A century ago the island supported tennis courts and its softball fields were surrounded by a rhubarb plants and gooseberry bushes, cat boats, waited on the lake, stewards, catered elegant meals. Let all though each new Skull and bones member still visits dear island, the place leaves something to be desired. A patriarchy size now just a bunch of burned down stone burned out stone buildings. It's basically ruins. Another bonesman says that to call the island

rustic would be to glorify it. It's a dump, but it's beautiful. If it really isn't that much disrepair, how powerful are these guys? Or is it in disrepair? Or just made to look that way? It would be cool to find out that inside the supposedly dilapidated building is like a fucking tunnel to some secret opulent underground layer. But if that was built, I would think that someone who worked on it would have talked already. They should do that now. They should secretly build some crazy ritual palace situation, some big thing underground, decorated with cages full of what looks like children's skeletons.

Have an area that looks like a laboratory where some liquid filled vials are labeled a Drenacrome, have a closet full of torturous looking BDSM sex toys, bunch of gimp outfits in the closet too. If they did that, someone would break in a document and sadly, there would probably be assassination attempts over that. People trying to kill bones. So maybe, maybe don't do that. Maybe our culture is not ready to make those kind of jokes yet. Before we jump into the timeline now, let's go over who gets picked in a bit more detail. Every year, the new members names are published in the Yale Daily News. Historically, decades ago, the most common types of people who are tapped are the football captain,

star players, editor of the Yale Daily News, a Wiffin Poof, member of the Yale's Acapella Group. Oh my God, that is the most Yale-y name, a Wiffin Poof. What group do you belong to? Oh, I'm a Wiffin Poof. I picture if you're a Wiffin Poof, a Wiffin Poof, like you don't even walk with and proof, a with and a with and poof, like you don't even walk, you just have some kind of a leadest prancing that you do to get to

places. You definitely know which fork to use at any point during any given meal. Star Swimmers, hockey players for Trinity Presidents, campus leaders, tradition dictates that the last person tapped is the outstanding man in the class. Back in 1882, the Skull and Bones reportedly had different quotas. Two members had to be from the Yale Literary Magazine, a couple from the baseball, football, or boating teams, and at least one person set for high scholarship in an article for the 1968 year book, 1967 Graduate,

Lanny Davis, future White House special counsel during the Clinton administration, wrote about the group's quotas saying, if the society had a good year, this is what the ideal group will consist of. A football captain, a chairman of the Yale Daily News, a conspicuous radical, a whiffing proof, a swimming captain, a notorious drunk with a 94 average, funny filmmaker, a political columnist, a religious group leader, a chairman of the lit, a foreigner,

a ladies man with two motorcycles, an ex-service man. And remember, this is his words, all-timey language, a negro if there are enough to go around Jesus Christ. A guy nobody else in the group had heard of ever. And it was always dudes, and that's the way most bones been wanted it. It was a frat house more than anything. In 1991, when the members voted to admit women, a group of patriarchs, so right? So former, you know, members, but you know, still members, but no longer a students led by political commentator, William F. Buckley, Jr. changed the fucking locks on the tomb and suspended operations for

a year. Wow. For the majority of its history, Skull and Bones was considered a male wasp stronghold according to FedEx founder and Bones been Frederick Smith and Alexander Robbins. Skull and Bones has initiated Jewish people since the 30s, black and LGBTQ people since the 60s, but only in token numbers until more recent years. Yale first admitted women in 1969 and in 1971, Skull and bones members attempted to start tapping women in a non-sexual, like welcome to the club, wait. But patriarchs threatened to close down the tomb for a year, as he talked about, chose the members themselves.

1991, the patriarch did shut down the tomb, right? To rebuff the class's intention to tap women, but women were still allowed in that year. While there are plenty of women in the club now, the power of this club and other Ivy League secret societies seems to have waned. Yale historian and professor emeritus of history and bonesman, Gattas Smith told New York Times in 1991 that up until the mid fifties, all juniors wanted to be in a secret society and there were students who felt that life was over if they didn't get accepted into a society.

society and there were students who felt that life was over if they didn't get accepted into a society. On the modern age, tap night doesn't seem to have much effect on the majority of the students. Of 374 Yale students who responded to a poll from the Yale Daily News in 2008, 75% of them said they would consider joining or already were a member of a senior society, but one out of three respondents said they found the society system less relevant to the social scene than they originally thought. Some seniors actually decline taps because they feel that they're already too busy and

they want to spend time with, you know, established friends. Pretty funny. Pretty funny to imagine someone getting a very dramatic, skill in bones tap, right? Just some dude in a fucking mask and a, you, robe, just walk him, do you accept? And then the potential recruiters just like, I get to fuck out of here weirdo, trying to finish watching Better Call Saul. Got shit to do on Thursdays and Sundays. I have fun in your tomb. And then the bummed out dude and the cult robe just sadly shuffles back to the temple. This is not how I envisioned it. Yale Daily News notes that this recent lack of interest is partially explained by shift

on campus to juniors becoming student leaders, while seniors are more focused on graduation to find a job. I would think thanks to the web and the rise of influencers and online entrepreneurship, maybe less interest in networking through old boys clubs, excuse me, more interest in kind of carving out your own unique path. Those who are interested look a lot different than they used to. Buster Brown wrote for the Atlantic in 2013 for generations, the organization's alumni corps had granted a coterie, I should have looked at a pronounce that, of white privilege,

predominantly heterosexual men, easier entry into the upper echelons of American society. But that was then. More recently, the organization has become the antithesis of what it was when Kerry joined in 1966. racist, sexist, elitist practices have been jettisoned in a rush towards more egalitarian standards. Yale's famous old boys club has become a melange of minorities, genders, and sexual identities that's less thanastic and more dynamic than ever. In 2010, for the first time ever, bones tapped more ethnic minorities than white people. In 2011, they tapped two gay students, a bisexual student, a transgender student.

In 2012, men and women were even in the society for the first time. The Atlantic reported that bones members seek out diversity. One bones woman saying, some of us wanted to undo certain attitudes of the past. We wanted to actively negate them. In 1964, the year of the passage of the Civil Rights Act, bones did not tap a black student, which caused future Senator Joe Lieberman to decline his imitation. The following year in 1965, bones inducted Ord Combs, a black Yale student, Barrington Daniels Parker Jr., one of his classmates told the Atlantic, Scullin' Bones wanted to tap campus campus leaders and or was a big man on campus After his induction most of the classes of bones men began to you know tap black students every year. Okay, okay

So now it's time to jump into our timeline Look at some of the most significant events in Scullin bones history before finally bringing back the idiots of the internet segment So here we go. Shrap on those boots, soldier. We're marching down a time, sub-time line. Oh, oh, starting off in 1832.

The year of Skull and Bones was founded by junior Yale students. Founding members of the Skullambewn Society were all attending Yale during the 1832, 1833 school year. They were William Huntington Russell, who we mentioned, Alfonso Taf, who we've also mentioned. Frederick Ellsworth, Mather, Finneas, Timothy Miller, and George Ingersoll Wood. Primary co-founder William Huntington Russell, who we've met again, lived from 1809 to 1885, he was a businessman, educator, and politician, most well known as a founder of the Skull and Bone Society. This illuminati white devil was born in Middleton, Connecticut, or Middletown. I jumped a letter there and was one of 13 children. His father, Matthew Talcott, Russell

was a justice of the peace served as state's attorney for Middlesex County and the Middleton Middletown excuse me treasurer. One of Russell's ancestors, the Reverend Noah Daya, was Noah Daya. Oh boy. That's the name. Do you get to say that casually? No, no, Daya. Or when you're introduced, Noah Daya was one of the founders, the original trustees of Yale College. Russell was a cadetted, the original trustees of Yale College.

Russell was a cadetted, Aldine Partridge's American Literary, Scientific, and Military Academy, later named Norwich University, or Norwich, from 1826 to 1828, following his graduation and true illuminati fashion, Russell worked as a teacher in Princeton, New Jersey, and then became a tutor at Yale. 1836, he opened a private prep school for boys, which would be named the New Haven Collegiate and Commercial Institute.

Russell later went back to Yale and graduated from the School of Medicine as an MD. In 1840s, Russell sent in that a Civil War was coming, started to prepare the boys at his school, with strict military discipline, and some of them were later enlisted as drill instructors. Russell was also hired by a governor, William Alfred Buckingham,

or Buckinghamham to organize the Connecticut militia and became a major general in 1862. Also in the 1840s, Russal was a member of the Wig Party and the Connecticut legislature. After the repeal of the Missouri Compromise in 1854, it became active in the movement that would end with the creation of the Republican Party. This evil skill and bones co-founder was a strong abolitionist who was friends with John Brown, the famed abolitionist. He was named as a trustee in John's will. Brown literally died due to his fight to free enslaved men and women in America, and Russell

was one of his best buddies, fighting to free the oppressed, the real illuminati. Alfonso Taf, the other co-founder, lived from 1810 to 1891. He was a jurist, diplomat, politician, attorney general, and secretary of war, and father of president, William Howard Taff. Alfonso born in town shend Vermont. His family was not particularly wealthy. He worked as a teacher to earn money to attend Amherst Academy. And while studying in Amherst, he and Samuel Colt, founder of Colts, Patton Firearms, Manufacturing Company, allegedly once stole a cannon and shot it at the school. There's a story there, but I couldn't figure it out from sources.

A tap to tended a Yale in 1829, as we began. After graduation, he worked as a teacher at Elington, Connecticut. Then studied law at Yale's law school and was admitted to the Connecticut Bar in 1838. In 1839, he moved to Cincinnati, would become one of the most influential people in the young state of Ohio. He would become a member of the boards of trustees for three colleges, University of Cincinnati, Antioch, college, and Yale college. Taft was chosen as the Secretary of War in 1876 by Ulysses S. Grant.

He was also appointed U.S. Attorney General, later served as U.S. Minerator to Austria-Hungary and U.S. Minister to Imperial Russia. So you know, did a lot of stuff. George Ingersoll would, was a congressionalist clergyman, born in Stanford, Connecticut, in 1814, after graduating from Yale, and the Union Theological Seminary. He served as pastor of several churches in Connecticut and died in January of 1899 in Washington, DC. Finneas Timothy Miller lived his short life, born in 1810, died in 1850, born in Middletown, Connecticut after graduation made director of the new Haven hospital, where he practiced medicine until 1849, at which point he sailed to California, and then he came down with some dysentery and blew his fucking bottle off in a matter of speaking and died in the ship in February of 1850 and was buried at sea.

Frederick Ellsworth, madz, Fredrick, sorry my, sinuses are messed with me terribly right now. Frederick Ellsworth's mother lived from 1809 to 1900. He was a military officer, lawyer and philanthropist. Born in Windsor, Connecticut, he was the descendant of Richard Mather, finally, some dick. The grandfather, two famous minister, Cot Mather and grandson of the sister of Chief Justice Oliver Ellsworth. Fredrick's father died when he was five years old, raised by his grandpa on a farm, 1829. He started working in the office of Elington Judge Miller, but he wanted to go to college and was admitted to Yale. He studied law, to graduation, and Hartford Connecticut, then attended the

Yale Law School. In the 1830s and 40s, he served in the New York State Infantry, eventually working his way up to general. In 1845, he became a member of the New York State Assembly and later a member of the Common Council, excuse me, of New York City. He was a philanthropist who worked as an officer of the Prison Association, the Association for Improving the Condition of the Poor, the Sanitary Association, and the Rose Beneficient Association, plus others.

Also served as President of the Demilt Dispensary from 1851 to 1899, one of the originators of the New York Yale Alumni Association and Diet of Parallels at his home in New York City after being unable to leave the house for six years. Another founder who did a lot of philanthropy, of course, to hide the real heinous shit he was doing. But seriously, the founders of Skull and Bones did not seem to lead nefarious lives, like at all.

Skull and Bones founder, William H., a member of the prestigious Honor Society, Phi Kappa Beta, during the 1832, 1833 school year, Russell was secretary of the chapter. I mentioned that earlier. He was unhappy that a prominent undergraduate scholar named Elazar Kingsbury Foster, or Eliasar, odd name again, a lot of names that are not common today now, was left left out of the elections to PBK and Russell condemned PBK because of that, took Foster under his wing, then joined with 13 additional students, the two of them, to form the Skull and Bone Society.

So formed because of an honor society snub in essence. How devilish. The organization was originally called the Eulogy and Club. And I have to think if they would have kept that name, the Eulogy and Club, there would be little to no conspiracies about these guys today. Like even if literally everything else was the same. How far has the name Skull and Bones gone towards, you know, working people up? Especially people who might be a little more paranoid and conspiratorial than the average

bear. Eulogy is a Greek word, meaning a blessing. The name's Golan Bones came about during the first year when a member put a meeting notice on the chapel door, the normal spot for undergraduate announcements. The member sketched over the notice a skull and cross bones, simply to attract attention

and make a sensation among outsiders, which it did very decidedly as written by this member. Yeah, kudos to that dude. I wonder if his spirit is somehow sentient and aware of what's going on in this world right now. Is he laughing his ass off? Right? About how much hysteria his little sketch has caused. This action led to others on campus referring to the secret society as the skull and bone society and the symbol was adopted as the group's badge with the addition of the number three twenty two and many believe as i uh... said that the number three twenty two symbolizes the

death of demoth demostones which marked attorney point in the history of athens from a democracy to a potocracy so less occult in the various more of uh... you know kind of uh... dorky historical reference that pretty cool and actually but you know uh... demosti demosti nes

uh... born in three four bc and a and Athens died on October 12, 322 BCE, considered one of the greatest orators of ancient Greece. Demostinese was a contemporary of Plato and Aristotle, came from wealthy family, established a career as a speech writer. Britannica writes, Demostinese career is virtually the history of Athenian foreign policy. It was not very long before his oratorical skill made him and affect the leader of what today might be called the Democratic party.

In the 320s, Demosthenes was convinced of convicts of stealing 20 talents. He escaped from prison, was then exiled, but the next year after Alexander the Great's death, he was recalled by the Athenians. He fled the city again during the during the approach of Alexander's successor and quickly ingested poison and died of suicide rather than be executed. According to Bones legend, a Greek goddess known as Yulagia ascended into heaven when Demostinese died in 322 BCE and did not return until 1832 CE when the goddess resided now

and did not return until 1832 CE when the goddess resided now within the Skull and Bone Society. Bone has been referred to the first miracle of the origin of our goddess and the arrival as the equally miraculous transmigration of her spirit to Yale College 2,154 years after her birth. And this association with the god other than the Christian God has undoubtedly led to a lot of conspiratorial accusations. There is a belief in many churches. I would argue all churches, although I'm sure there are some who identify as Christians who don't believe this, that worshiping or glorifying any God or goddess made up or not outside of the Christian God is essentially satanic and a form of sinful idolatry. And if a group is Satanic in this respect, well then there's no telling, you know, what they're up to. Any manner of evil and wickedness. Also, I've said fake goddess, there was no Greek goddess to be very clear known as Yulagia. And again, Yulagia Greek for blessing,

the word was occasionally used in early times to signify the Holy Eucharist, also known as Holy Communion, an object that has been blessed. So they're not really worshiping anything. It's all symbolic. They're revering a blessing. And why the association with Demostinese famed Roman statesman Cicero said of him, he stands alone among all the Orators also praised him as the perfect Orator who lacked nothing. And he also bravely opposed the rule of Alexander the great over his

home of Athens. He believed Athenian democracy superior to Macedonia law, right, gave his life essentially because of standing up for standing up against Alexander. So maybe the early members of Skull and Bones aspired to be well spoken brave champions of democracy. Now, volitionists and electials standing up for the downtrodden. Maybe they championed a type of one world government that I could get behind. Okay, shortly after being founded, Yale decided to try and shut down their new secret society.

December 25th, 1833, Yale professors met to determine a proper punishment for the behavior of the members of a convivial meeting. Meeting on Christmas day must have been serious. The night before December 24th, early Bonesman apparently had held a raucous meeting at the chapel. Nine members of the club of 1834 received warnings and letters were sent to their parents.

Two members who had not been formally admitted as members of Yale senior class were told they would not be admitted, but the faculty eventually did let them graduate on time. One memoir from 1872 states that in one incident, the faculty once broke in upon what broke in upon one of the society's meetings, and from what they saw determined upon its abolishment. But by the intercession and explanations of its founder, Russell, then serving as a tutor among them, they were inclined to spare it. In 1856, Bonesman and founding president of Johns Hopkins University, Daniel Coit Gilman incorporated the Skull and Bones as the Russell Trust Association. After the incorporation of Skull and Bones Society paid the, paid to build a tomb and have a permanent meeting house.

Bonesman David A. Richards wrote for Yale alum magazine. In 19th century America, college fraternities were called secret societies. And they met in windalous buildings constructed for that purpose, or for the purpose. Richards' name was put on the list of bones, members in the class of 67 graduation book. The first flat house in the US was a log cabin built in 1855 for Delta Kappa Epsilon and Kenyan College of Ohio. The oldest flat house still in existence today is the tomb built in 1855 for Delta Kappa Epsilon and Kenyan College of Ohio. The oldest frat house still in existence today is the tomb built in 1856.

The original tomb was just a single rectangular block without any windows. Tomb with the name Richard writes it attracted when it was built in 1856 and a tomb is what it resembled even more so than its current remodeled state. It was a single forbidding windalous block in a gyptodoric style. And then I'm sure drove a lot of people fucking crazy, right? Why are they meeting in a building with no windows? A building nickname, the tomb, no less. The tomb was located across the street from old campus, the original structures of the university, of the university. Before the construction of the tomb, the members met in rented rooms and commercial buildings around New Haven.

Perhaps because the old brick row dorms on the old campus had quote, sagging low ceilings, billowy floors, cracked walls, and a musty odor. The heat from the coal stoves varied with the fuel supply, and tallow candles and whale oil lamps fouled the air. Professor Benjamin Stillman, class of 1796, is reported to have said that he would not have stabled his favorite horse in such accommodations. That's likely why in 1856, Skull and Bones alumni finally decided to give members their own permanent meeting place.

Also another secret society, the competition, Skull and Key, had been meeting in a custom penthouse suite in an office building, and the members mocked the quality of the Bones quarters, which were then located on the third floor of an office building. And the members mocked the quality of the bones quarters, which were then located on the third floor of an office building. Many of the alumni lived in New Haven by this point. Bones was well established. Had memorabilia they wanted to preserve the alumni also knew that secret societies could be unstable and, you know, come to an end any given year. So they wanted to make a permanent institution for skull and bones. First, they had to incorporate the club as a trust. they created the Russell Trust Association which could then hold the title to the Skull and Bones headquarters. Richards wrote,

the new building caused a campus sensation, though its interior features were generally unknown, from its outer facing, the new home of bones seemed large and sumptuous. As cost was later estimated at about $30,000 the cost of Yale's own first stone building in 1842, the old library, now known as Dwight Hall, had been less. The building was large, yet windowless rectangle, 12-foot tall iron doors with the society's emblems on them. A pair of blind windows in the back were covered by iron bars, scuttle holes at the foundation were also barred. The building was designed by architect Alexander Jackson Davis.

The original structure was enlarged in 1883. Then again in 1903, the bone was started using the building March 13th of 1856. The padlocks on the doors had the message passed through the sacred pillows of Hercules and approached the temple. Take the right book on your left hand. To deter intruders, the padlocks were set up in such a way that if the wrong one was pulled on or a lock was twisted in the wrong way, a lock was twisted, a warning bell would be set off inside. Members of the society were still are discouraged from entering or leaving in front of witnesses. If people are present, each member enters in single file without talking.

Another supposed tradition is that bonesmen do not speak when passing in front of the building. The only public record of what the original building may have looked like inside is a pamphlet with the title Babylonus Fallen. Published in 1876 by a group named the Order of the File and Claw, right? A kind of referenced a bit of what they found earlier. The group described themselves as neutrals with vulgar eyes of the uninitiated. They broke into the building. Yes, September of 1876, by getting past the iron netting and iron bars on the backseller

windows, they filed through one of the outside bars and used a powerful claw to pull out the nails that fastened iron netting to a wooden frame. They used putty to put the back bar in place and then retired to a way to favorable night for finishing the job. And those guys put more work in getting into the tomb than the guys who stole art in the Gardener heist, put in a few weeks ago, would have been easier than breaking if Ricky dick, right, was guarding the tomb and not those iron bars. On September 29th, 1876 at 8 p.m. the group returned, pulled out the wooden frame, found

the inside window bars ran into a brick wall on the bottom. They dug through the wall, loosened the iron plate where the bars were attached, pushed the plate inwards and the bars fell out. They were inside by 10 30 PM and quote, proceeded to examine the temple at our leisure. They noted that the seller had a kitchen pantry, sink and toilet where light has always kept burning and was ornamented with a dilapidated human skull, holy fuck, a human skull? You know, they could have taken from a morgue or cemetery or medical school. The main hall, which the initiated, called 324, had godly, frescoed walls.

The group noted a used textbook and a glass case containing a large number of gilded baseballs, each inscribed with a date, score, et cetera of a university game. The group are disappointed because thus far we had found little to compensate us for our trouble. On the second floor, they found three parlors, one with a library that had info about other societies. Someone had written ass next the name of a scroll and key society member, how wicked. The middle room was number 32, was called the sanctum, sanctorum.

Inside the room was a life size, facimally of the bones pin, hand-simply inlaid in the black marble hearth of a fireplace below the mantle, was a Latin motto inlaid in marble, meaning the good are indeed few. I don't disagree with that. Order of file and claw reported that the walls

were draped in velvet and allegedly pentagrams. We're prevalent throughout the tomb. Oh pentagrams Oh my you mean like the kind of pentagrams that many metal bands have all over their shit today. What evil looks here? The hallway was lying with pictures of group members Inside the safe were a bunch of keys and small and a small gold mounted flask half fill with Brandy They also found a set of memorabil books, misspelling. I don't know. For each year and two store rooms with boating flags and foreign language books, they noted a total absence of all the machinery which we had been led to expect

and concluded through examination of every part of the temple leads us to the conclusion that the most powerful of college societies is nothing more than a convivial club. Sounds about right. My favorite part was the total absence of all the machinery, which we were led to expect. I bet they expected to find cages with fucking skeletons, books on dark magic candles on the corners of a massive pentagram on the floor, a huge statue of boffamette, sacrificial dagger with blood still on it, et cetera. And instead, they find a bunch of textbooks and brandy. Over a century later, a group of Yale girls reportedly managed to sneak into the tomb and photograph every ritual room.

Ron Rosenbaum claimed that he once viewed these photos. He believes the girls were inspired by his 1977 investigation. I wish they were released to the public, but I can't seem to find them if they have been one photo. Suppose you're revealed a room with a bunch of state license plates on the wall. How scary. I did find another group of photos supposedly taken of the inside of the Skullin bones tom sometime in the late 19th or early 20th century. Another supposed break in and they don't reveal anything to spooky. What looks like some mounted deer antlers, old paintings, a stuffy looking, middle-aged, wealthy white guys, big hardwood table with some kind of board game laid out on it. A lot of books,

couple skulls with crossbones painted on the walls, you know, the number 32 painted on the walls, no pentagrams. Honestly, it looks like a frat house for the most boring frat on campus. John Pogue, former Yale student and writer and producer of The Sculls, a 2000 film about Scull and Bones starring Paul Walker and others, told the Baltimore son that he wants to snuck into the tomb and saw a trove of antiques and valuable documents. Said the building was a full of maze-like hallways with hidden rooms. One bones, been told journalists, Alexander Robbins, bones is like a college dorm room.

Ours was a place that used to be really nice, but kind of beat up lived in. There were socks underneath the couch, old half deflated soccer balls, lying around. Sounds like my son, Kiders bedroom. Robbins wrote dozens of skeletons in skulls, human and animal, dangle from the walls, on which German and Latin phrases have been chiseled. Whether poor or rich, all are equal in death among moosehead, sconces, medieval armor, antlers, boating flags, manuscript, statuettes of, de-mast-demastines, and a pair of boots that one member wore through his active duty with American forces in France during World

War II. The Graves Stone of a lie, a lie, a lie who, yay old, the, a Pontimiz 18th century merchant was stolen years ago from its proper setting in rexam whales and is displayed in a glass case in a room with purple walls. So okay, that sounds fun. Rich kids goofing around, getting weird with their friends. April 15th, 1991, the tomb was closed down while members argued over whether not to admit women to the society, as I mentioned, bones directors shut things down, plan to run an ad in the school paper saying that no members will be picked for the 1992

school year. The combination of the door was changed over the weekend to prevent members from entering. And the director said club operations were suspended for a year after they failed to reach a compromise with bonesmen who wanted to admit women Sydney Levit secretary of the Russell Trust Association told the new Haven register There is a certain amount of sorrow that the process broke down But the board felt it had to maintain its control over portions of the process and it would not be backed into a corner According to Levit, the current members said they would still follow through on their plans for a co-ed school and bones Even though they couldn't meet in the tomb On April 11th 1991, the students sent a letter to the alumni,

telling them that waiting for the board to admit women would condemn the society to a slow death on the fringes of the co-ed world. Skull and Bones directors proposed putting the issue to a vote, offered to admit 10 men, 10 women, the groups would share their emotional and life history separately, but have debates and eat together. The students rejected that arguing that men and women can share a common bond. The senior members sent a letter to the alumni saying that they couldn't recruit Yale's best and brightest if women were excluded. In July of 1991, the alumni voted 368 to 320 to admit women. But then a few days before the September induction, a group of alumni

filed a suit alleging that the vote was fraudulent. Man, they were fucking hard core back in their way. They settled with a new vote before the issue went to trial. On October 24, 1991, the Skull and Bone Society voted again to allow women into the group. Over 125 members enter the tomb for the vote, the alumni who couldn't make it voted by proxy. The New York Times wrote throughout the evening, clusters of bones men emerged from the building, slipped silently through the clamoring reporters and caucused in nearby restaurants and bars before returning to the weighty matter at hand. Whether six women should be allowed among the 15 member 1992 delegation. On Friday the 25th, William Prout, a lawyer from the Russell Trust Association,

confirmed that women were admitted to skull and bones. This would allow the six women and nine men who were chosen in April of 91 to be members of the skull and bone society. One unidentified woman told the Times, it's great, but a little overdue. She said that she really had to think about her decision to join, since almost half of the members did not want her there. Uh, yeah, and that would suck.

And I am glad it's integrated, right? Some organizations, frets, sororities, I like that they exclude one gender, right? There is something special about living with members of your own gender, people with biologically more common experiences. I guess now this belief makes me old fashioned, but I like that there are like, you know, girl scouts and boy scouts. I don't like it when girls join the boy scouts and vice versa. Not every fucking group should be forced to accept everyone in them that does not feel free to me. It feels contrived, forced and for lack

of a better term wrong. But the skull and bones, I am glad members voted to change things because their traditional principle is to recruit the best of Yale's junior class and the membership and to not consider, you know, any woman to possibly be among the 15 best students, well, that's pretty obviously at least to me fucked up. And, you know, it's just like the worst kind of old boys club. April 23rd, 2001, the observer published an article by Ron Rosenbaum, who along with the group of students recorded an initiation of the School of Mone Society. The video shows the students kissing skulls,

acting out murder scenes. This is the video I alluded to when we went over a bunch of Rosenbaum stuff earlier. He and his team used high tech night vision video equipment to view the initiation. They saw one bonesman pretending to be George W. Bush and heard him say, I'm gonna ring you like I ringed Al Gore.

And I'm gonna kill you like I ringed Al Gore and I'm going to kill you like I killed Al Gore. Other shouted things like and it sounded like they were just being goofballs. Take that plunger out of my ass. Other members acted like they were cutting the initiates throats. Here's some audio, you know, at least I found on YouTube from the airing of this footage on ABC. What you're hearing is the first recording ever made of the Scullum Bones initiation ceremony. It has never been broadcast before. Scullum Bones Scullum Bones! Somebody in a robe moving up and down. Being new members of the club are being introduced into the McCab rituals of Scullum Bones by the senior students who are about to graduate. Moving up and down. equal death, that equal death. I mean, you can't really see much, very dark, very grainy.

Yeah, I mean, it sounds creepy, but especially with the music. Is it any creepier than some Goth Kids drinking Mountain Dew, eating Taco Bell, fucking with the Ouija board on Saturday night, listening to some Scandinavian death metal? I would say no. Why do so many groups use a cold imagery? Well, for me, you know, it's just, I think it looks cool. Why? I mean, probably because it's taboo, you know, I like it because I'm reactionary. You know, you tell me, I can't do something because your God says it's bad. My instinct is to say, watch me. Don't fucking tell me what to do. You know, I love

horror movies. I love a lot of metal. I love a lot of dark imagery. Always have also don't worship some demonic deity. Also don't care about taking over the world. Do enjoy riling people up over what I consider completely harmless objects and imagery. To me, I see nothing in that video that's alarming. Just some rich kids doing some, you know, a cult cosplays to be, you know, quote unquote bad, mysterious and intriguing. Rosenbaum described more footage of what he recorded, not aired on ABC. He said he manned the tape recorded that night and he first heard someone pretending to be George Bush, right?

Which the member didn't seem too pleased about because he said in George Bush's accent, I got the power to bomb the crap out of China and they gave me this station. Another person shouted, Uncle Toby, Uncle Toby. And someone responded, shut up, Neophyte. Someone else said that thing I mentioned earlier, take the plunge right in my ass. And then the other stuff I said about Reem and fucking Gore, Kill and Gore.

Rosemom heard silence followed by the door opening and voices shouting, run, Neophyte, run, Neophyte. You can see hooded figures racing around shouting, run, Neophyte, find the femur. Then after Then after a period of silence someone complained we ought to get better blood in this fucking syrup man I love it Then he heard people shouting lick my bum Lick my bum hole me a fight. That's like straight out of fucking. Oh my god Beef some butt head lick my ass neophyte. Do you like my bum neophyte? Then someone shout and get the femur, death equals death.

George Bush then said, I'm the president of the motherfucking USA. These are not the words of some terrifying new world order illuminati group. These are the words of college kids being college kids. It reminds me of me. Me, my friends did tons of weird shit in Gonzaga. For a while, we pretended to be in a satanic cult. Uh, when we'd pass one another on campus, we would kneel down in front of the other person, say, Natos.

And then just keep moving. You know, Satan spelled backwards. Why did we do it? Because that's all it took to rile up certain kids. And we found that hilarious, very easy to push their buttons. I also when I was a little kid, I used to fire up the kid living next door to me by telling him I worshiped the devil because he would get fucking outraged.

Loose his mind. Got a huge reaction. Same motivation that led me to torture my little sister and other neighborhood kids, right? It was entertaining. Why do they perform these rituals? You know, because they're truly summoning dark powers or because it's fun to expokey and you know, is some truth does slip out. It's gonna freak out a lot of people and that's fun. You know, just like it was fun to chant, cult, cult, cult at the Bad Magic Summer Camp last year. This is the synopsis of what Rosenbaum and his team supposedly saw after some events inside the tomb

that they could not see. The initiates were led out in some kind of courtyard by someone dressed up in a devil costume, right? Surrounded by the shouts I mentioned, the whole, look my bum hole, the fucking plunger, all the stuff, the devil pulled him into a white tent. They found a quote unquote the femur walked out with what looked like a thigh bone. Then they face someone holding a butcher knife standing over a woman covered in fake blood that

whole we the syrup thing, the neophyte, then kisses a skull, and the person with a knife pretends to cut the woman's throat. And that's it. Spooky ritual over. Now let me finish describing something else I brought up earlier. February 17, 2009, marking the 100th anniversary of Geronimo's death, the famed Apache leaders descendants filed a federal lawsuit against the Skull and Bone Society demanding that they return the remains to the family. 20 descendants of Geronimo filed a lawsuit against Skull and Bone's and Yale University despite fort-sill Oklahoma officials having always maintained that there is no evidence to support claims that Geronimo skeleton was ever stolen from their sentiment cemetery.

But Geronimo's great grandson, Harlan Geronimo, said that even if the bones were not Geronimo's, they may belong to another Apache prisoner and should be returned. Joronimo died in 1909 and Fort Silo, Oklahoma, according to bones lore. Press got S. Bush, father of George H. W. Grandfather of George W. Bush, along with other bones been dug up Joronimo's grave while stationed at Fort Silo, Oklahoma in 1918. They allegedly stole his school, femur, and writing gear,

members of the society allegedly displayed those remains in the tomb. But none of that has been proven. All speculation. In 2005, Yale historian and author Mark Wartman did find a 1918-1918 letter from the bones, when it says, the skull of the worthy Geronimo the terrible exhumed from its tomb at Fort Sill by your club and the night half-ner is now safe inside the tomb together with his well-worn femurs bit and saddlehorn And 2007 Harlan Jeronimo told ABC that he wanted to offer his DNA to see if it matched the bones He said I really believed that that's my great grandfather's skull

We want to return him to heal to the hill. Oh my gosh To the Hila wilderness where he was born so that so the spirit can complete his journey and go on to the next world. Presently he's buried as a prisoner of war and it still has that status over him. At this point, he had written to the White House and was considering legal action. Bonesman and Secretary of RTA incorporated the whole, excuse me, Russell Trust Association. Coit Liles told ABC. It's not there and it never has been there.

It's just a story. Alexander Robbins told ABC about her conversation with Bones, been saying, they say there is a skull in a glass case just inside the entrance of the tomb and they've called it Geronimo. Robbins wrote that in the 1980s after receiving pressure from former Apache tribal chairman Ned Anderson, the society produced the supposed school of Geronimo but it didn't match his records. So it went back to the tomb. Yeah.

Of course not. It's just another story told for a shock value. But net Anderson still contacted Congressman John McCain to look into the matter. He claimed the McCain and Congressman Morris Udall arranged a meeting with him and Jonathan Bush, brother of H.W. Bush. Robin said, according to Ned, they brought out a school, but it was obviously a school of a 10-year-old. And they were trying to bluff him and tried to get him to sign paper saying that he would never speak about it again and Anderson rejected the offer due the ship due to

shift chief research archivist at Yale's Sterling Memorial Library authenticated the 1918 letter she said the press got bush and other bones been worse station of fort silt during world war one with the Yale ROTC and may have brought the school or sent it to Yale. However, she notes that although they thought it might have been Geronimo's school, no one really knows who it is. The 2009 suit demanded the return of Geronimo's remains from New Haven, Fort Sill, and wherever else they may be found. Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark represented the Geronimo family. He said that Geronimo had clearly explained where he wanted to be buried when he met with Teddy Roosevelt, for instance, in March of 1905. His request was that he and the other

Tura Kawa Paches who were prisoners of war would would be permitted to return to the headwaters of the Healer River, adding that if he couldn't return in his lifetime, uh, that he wanted to be buried there. Okay, so how is this matter settled? Well, it, it hasn't been. No one's been able to prove that the skull and bones still has the skull or that they've ever had it. You don't really get to sue for something effectively that might not exist where you think it is.

Alexander Robbins noted that the skull is likely not in the tomb anymore if it ever was, and that any of the roughly 800 living bonesment could have it in their possession. In October of 2015 now, the Skull and Bones get some new competition. The Yale Daily News report that seven new secret societies would guarantee spots for students who felt excluded from the existing tapping process. The news reported that the seven new societies were meant to allow students to choose a group that fit their interests. Students were sorted into the societies based on preference chosen in a survey.

Earlier that year, the Yale College Council also created a process that would allow students to opt out of society selection. The Yale Daily News said, by removing their names from consideration by any societies, juniors not interested in societies could avoid this comfort and stress associated with the process. These societies are part of the society's initiative network funded by alumni. The SIN would do their own recruitment process in spring of 2016 that would run at the same time

as traditional tapping. As conveyed by the Yale Daily News, what we're hoping to do here is basically create a process that puts the juniors in the center of it in terms of what they're looking for, whereas the current process is really more predicated on what the seniors who are leaving the society on. Alright and with that maybe the end of an era, maybe the scolding bones now you know just kind of fades away and gradually loses more

and more prestige and a lure and power time will tell. Good job, soldier. You've made it back. Barely. And now for segments, I've not done in so-so long. If you haven't heard of before for the first few years of time-stuck, I used to do a segment called Idiots of the Internet fairly regularly, pretty simple concept. I just read internet comments from underneath say a YouTube video or Amazon book that's

about the week subject to show you and mock, you know, what silly shit people are saying and sometimes clever shit and really cracks me up. And I started because I just found a lot of the comments funny under videos that I was watching just to get information on the subject, or I'd be getting a book on Amazon. I'd be reading the reviews to see if the book seemed worthwhile and the comments would just crack me up.

But it kind of took too much away from the main narrative sometimes, I felt it was too distracting. And then I launched a new show, Is We Dumb, that created and conceptualized to be a more robust version of this segment. A show based on just weird and or dumb shit that people say on the internet, things that exist on the web,

and then that show of course, ran its course. And I didn't really bring the edits of the internet back over here, but I do miss it sometimes. I feel like it fits sometimes. It felt right for this subject. I will say though, it's harder than it used to be a few years ago to find juicy comments because YouTube and other platforms

really crack down a lot on conspiracy lore, right? Baning, popular conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones and videos like Alex's, you know, how damn, always had the best comments underneath them. But I still did find some this week, even one that features Alex Jones, not his channel, but features him storming the campus Yale to rent and rave about how the Skull and Bones created the CIA. You know, what's they did and I'll talk about that later. With that reintroduction complete, let's see what random dipshit. I mean, concerned citizens, adept at critical thinking are saying about the skull and bones.

It is an ad be intro that, intro that, intro that, intro that. Now, I'm gonna start with some comments under the video. I played a snippet from a few moments ago, the ABC footage of the ritual that Rosenbaum filmed. This video was uploaded by user YoFam eight years ago, 256,000 views. User FriarTalk6060 does not like the screams heard. Posting four years ago, this is demonic and satanic and not a joke at all. And I want to hear the whole thing without the cuts and the morons talking over it.

I'm including this comment. Just because Friar Talk says that the footage is not just demonic, it's not just satanic. It's demonic and satanic. Is there really a discernible difference between those two types of activities? Like when one of his friends says, like, oh wow, that's demonic. Is he like, ah, actually, that is satanic.

There's nothing demonic about that. Like is there something I'm missing? And how does he know it's a joke? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that user-friar talk is not known in real life as a source of laughter and mirth. Not a real comedic expert. User, it's ex, it's like ex, again, most of the most of YouTube usernames are just like nonsensical letters, basically. But like, I think it's supposed

to be Chicano experience, but it's like, Chicano with an ex, experience. But two years ago, left a comment advising all of us, even even watching this video that advising all of us, you know, that it's dangerous to watch this video, which is odd because he left this comment or they left this comment under a video something that I'm strongly assuming they did watch. But anyway, they wrote, anyways, be careful what this in general do much to you unless you're, you know, very mentally ill perhaps. Even worse videos. I don't think they really do that much to. And I say that because if the energy of dark content really fucked with our temples, I would be walking around with a blowtorch roasting babies or something right now. After all the evil shit I've read about and watched working on this podcast for years.

Like I've put a lot of dark content into my temple. But no, no, I still turned up last year watching the Top Gun sequel. I think I'm still okay. After watching this video, user, taru, kari, yamikara 8908 decided, made the decision not to join the Skull and Bones. They wrote seven years ago. I was thinking of trying to get into the Skull and Bones society if I ever get into college. I've changed my mind. I hope they were being serious in those comments.

If you're not even sure that you can get into a college, you literally have a 0% chance of becoming a Skull and Bones member. You're good, Tarou. You have nothing to worry about. No one is tapping you. And then one more just something silly that cracked me up, user SS, trunk one commented five years ago, ha ha ha ha, I'm on someone else's account

and guess what I'm gonna be? And guess what? I'm gonna be in the Skull and Bones Society. And then user, Tupa, Kenova, did not like that comments and a year ago they replied, no you won't. And I just love that they took the time to write that. Like they got like worked up when they saw someone and be like, ha ha, I'm gonna join the Scullin' Bone

and say, no fucking what? You think you can join Hell no? I'm called Bullshit, SS, trunk one can join hell no. I'm called bullshit. SS trunk one. Okay, now for the Alex Jones video. Why the end multimedia, the YouTube channel of the Yale Daily News published a video on March 22, 2021 titled conspiracy theorist Alex Jones visits Yale Skull and Bones. The description reads well known conspiracy theorist and far right radio show host Alex Jones visited Yale yellow Monday to film a video about senior society school and bones Jones believes that bones founded the c.i.a.

and is responsible for the great recession he got arguments with several students about his views this video has over 170 thousand views and the video itself does not have any good footage their film from across the street mostly him and students yelling at each other, nothing interesting. Some good comments though. Almost all the comments are very, very pro Alex Jones.

User JNWS30 loves Alex writing. It's amazing how correct Alex Jones has been over the years. Really? Has he been super correct like over the years? Was he correct about the families of Sandy Hook School shooting victims being crisis actors? He always almost $1.5 billion dollars those relatives for not being correct. After losing some lawsuits and a judge just recently okay to forensic account to investigate his financial records so he can fucking pay up. He might be going away sooner than later.

User Streetball Time Tagger SBTT3696 wrote the kind of shit so, so, so many people write about the skull and bones. People have died questioning skull and bones. It's definitely real. If people have died questioning the skull and bones, who? Name them. Where's the proof? So many vague accusations like that all over the place. Yes, it's definitely real. A real club like the Elk's Lodge and the Freemasons and the Eagles and the Odd Fellows. The people die after questioning the Odd Fellows, right, of anything other than old age. And then after skimming past about 300 consecutive

Alex Jones is a national treasure and write about everything type comments at Kevin Joseph 517 comments. Students at Yale should investigate skull in bones. Both presidential candidates were former members. Okay. Yeah, that comment was left a year ago. Well, Kevin, you're talking about the 2004 election, Bush versus Kerry, almost 20 years ago, and the only presidential election

ever featuring two bones been going head to head. That's meaningless. Again, it would be meaningful if election after election featured bonesmen, but it's not even close to that. Come on, people. There have been 45 different presidents. Three of them have been bones been 42 of not Context context matters numbers matter And then finally we go to a video uploaded a year ago by hazards and catastrophes It's titled illuminati myths and realities of a parallel world full documentary and this doc talks a quite a bit about School of bones and it's popular 3.7 million views.

And user, Hillary S, emails, Hillary S, emails, 16, 15, comments, year ago, George W. Bush, I'm a member of skull and bones, which is a secret society, and that is all that I can say about it. And that's parts and quotes. And then she has, kinda says it all, doesn't it? No, that doesn't even say close to all.

In fact, I would say that says close to nothing. You clearly decided this group was bad. You clearly decided George W. Bush is also bad. So in that context, from that perspective, you have, I imagine, almost entirely fabricated this, these assumptions bad about them with very little real evidence and, uh, you know, refusing to comment on the skull and bones would therefore also be bad.

But it's not, not objectively, not logically, not based on what you just pointed out. Greg Jones, seven, seven, two, four replies with a nice comment to illustrate why it's not, uh, saying doesn't mean it's nefarious. I'm a master Mason. We raise money for burn unit kids and the special Olympics. Secret does not equal bad. Fucking mic drop Hillary. Well, Hillary does reply to other comments in this thread. She does not reply to Greg Jones. Doesn't say shit. Maybe because she's, you know, smart enough to know he's right. Maybe not a complete idiot of the internet. Idiot.

I'll be internet. Internet. And again, I wish I could have found some juice to your quotes, but hard to find as much conspiracy stuff now. Bitch shoot, even like these random YouTube competitors, they tend to be pretty janky. And not have any comments. I'm going to wrap up now. Are there skull and bones?

Some of the fairies have called crazy powerful organization. Well, obviously, you know that I don't think so. I highly doubt it. I can't know for sure. Highly doubt it. Did they help found the CIA, right? Common claim, you know, one that Jones made. Well, first of all, I would say who gives a shit if they did?

Has the CIA done a bunch of shady stuff? Well, yeah. Have they arguably needed to do, you know, a good portion of it to preserve the American life that we have right now, stop to spread a communism in years past. I would also say yes, some of what they've done, and I've talked about it in past episodes, impossible in my mind to justify, but a lot of it, a lot of important shit was done. A lot of dirty work that needed to be done in a world where sometimes you have to fight dirty to win, right? The whole freedom isn't free. Does America need a powerful covert intelligence

agency? Yes, it does. If you don't think so, look at Russia, right? Look at the Soviet Union before Russia. Look at China and much more. So it was founding the CIA inherently some kind of evil act. Fuck no, it's a fucking rational act. Also, President Truman formed the CIA, right? Technically, not a bonesman was not a Yale student. Rear admiral Sowers was appointed as a first director of the Central Intelligence on January 23rd, 1946 by President Truman, not a bonesman, not a Yale student, Hoyt Sanford Van Van den Berg, second director, not a bonesman, not a Yale student, Van den Berg, second director, not a bonesman, not a Yale student, Roscoe H. Hillen Quetter, or Coacher, third director, not a bonesman, not a Yale student, Walter Betel Smith, fourth director, no bonesman, no student. Uh, Yale, Alan Welsh, Dulles, fifth director, first civilian director,

very noted director, not a bonesman, not a Yale student. There's a pattern here, obviously, you're sensing. Are the skull and bones connected in some way to the Illuminati, the real Illuminati, a very in secret society in the late 19th century who did want to change the world and make it better, partially because in many ways the world fucking sucked back to it. Yeah, probably, right? Like a lot of secret societies, you know, since they were inspired by them. Is wanting to change the world necessarily a bad thing? No. Is wanting to one world government necessarily a bad thing? No. Wanting a world of more freedom, equity, and peace. Not sure if that's actually possible, but fun to fantasize about, certainly not bad. And I'm sure it's just fun to gather in an old building with a bunch of other intelligence

students and fantasize about stuff like changing the whole world. My son Kyler, things he's going to change the world and fix everything. He would love to be put in charge of the world Of course you would he's smart and more importantly he's 17 an Idealistic who gives a fuck if the skull and bones do want to take over the world. They're not going to I Bet a lot of the people most of the people who hurl baseless Accusations against them also would like to take over the world and shape it how they see fit How many people mad about the skull and bones would join if they got tapped? How much of the concern about them is partially jealousy.

If you ever sat around bullshit with your buddies and joked about how you can just fix all the world's problems, if they just give you half a chance, right? I have several people I know have. What do I think about the skull and bones? What I think they are. I think they're just a group that formed at a time and a place that allowed them to recruit a lot of members place that allowed them to recruit a lot of members who would go on to do big, important things with or without them.

Then these talented, powerful people joined forces and created this legacy of power. It certainly opened more and more doors for members and the more bones men who got into positions of power, the more other bones men were given a leg up. What's that saying? It's not what you know. It's who you know. I hate that shit, but it oftentimes is very true. Right? It's the way the world works like it or not. I've wished I would have had better networking skills many times over the course of my career. I fucking hate networking and

hating it not forging a lot of alliances with a lot of other creative types for sure as limited my overall exposure And I'm not complaining complaining I'm very happy With where I'm at truly, but I'm still aware of choices. I've made that we're not great, right career wise on paper And I don't blame anyone for forging alliances in order to get ahead That's what works for them if networking works for you fucking go for it It's proven to help time and time again if you could network your way into the skull and bones That is for sure gonna help you. Lans are really good internships, jobs, investments,

et cetera. Not as much as it used to, I don't think it's waning and power, but you know, still helps. You know, you'll probably have a lot of fun doing weird shit too, like playing a cult dress up and freaking out the fucking neighbors and millions of people around the world who think a bunch of Skulls, pentagrams, knives, and rituals

actually give you some kind of dark power. So much fear around the skull and bones. I think it's truly based in their name and the rituals, right? Some skulls, some rituals. That's all you need to truly freak out billions of people around the world. It's that easy and illogical. I met a lot of people into that kind of shit over the years and not a single fucking one of them has shown me any proof of like knowing wizard spells.

You know, they've never concerted demon, never levitated even a few inches. Now not one of them have obviously harnessed the dark lord's power and used it for fame and fortune. The coolest yet they've probably done is just turn me on some good music and give me inspiration to get more, I don't know, a cult tattoos myself that spook the same kind of people to the school and bone spook. Final verdict, I am not the slightest bit worried about the school and bones. If you are very worried about them or somebody you know is, man, I'm jealous of how much

time they have on their hands to think about shit that doesn't matter. If I ever were to truly infiltrate their organization, I'd mostly want to know if they do actually beat off in coffins. And that's all I got. Time now for today's top five takeaways. Time suck, top five takeaways. Number one, the order of Skull and Bones, AKA the Skull and Bones Society, AKA the Order, Order 32, and my favorite, the Brotherhood of Death.

The Oldest Secret Society at Yale founded in 1832, founded by Yale students who were reportedly displeased by the Phi Beta Kappa elections that year. Founder William H. Russell may have been influenced by the European, last pavilion secret society he visited while studying abroad in Germany, right? Illuminati, almost 200 years later, Skull and Bone still shrouded in mystery due to an oath of secrecy that members must take and do seem to take seriously. Number two, there are many conspiracy theories around the Skull and Bones society.

The most popular being that members are collaborating to establish some kind of new world order. Many powerful people are or were bonesmen, including presidents, business executive, scientists, military leaders, other influential politicians. Although there is still a lot of mystery about these secret activities of the bones men and their patriarchs, hot, hard Yale father that is covered mud. Maybe you're going to offer coffins. It seems like skill and bones is probably nothing more than an elite network networking group that provides opportunities for students during their time at Yale and after

graduation. Number three, the Skull of Bones Society didn't start admitting Jewish students, black students and members of the LGBT community until the 20th century. Women were not admitted into bones until 1991, went after a lawsuit and threats to shut down the club for a whole year, the patriarchs narrowly voted to allow them in.

Ever since Skull of Bones has tapped members of different races, genders, and students from diverse student organizations, which reflects positive changes made on Yale's campus. Number four, for well over a century, the initiation rituals, the Skull and Bones Society were a mystery, but recent work by riders like Alexander Robbins and Ron, drama queen, Rosenbaum, have helped uncover bone secrets.

The initiation ceremony appears to be an elaborate game of dress up that involves the neophytes finding bones, kissing a Pope's shoe, kissing a skull, as well as some fake throats letting, a lot of yelling, maybe some coffin jerking. The initiation is followed by a summary treat to Dear Island owned by the Russell Trust Association, where bones been sacrificed babies to Satan or socialize with notable patriarchs in their families.

During the school year, a new member might lay in a coffin or not and give the other 14 new members and probably a patriarch or two, all the details of their life and sexual history. This exercise is meant to establish a close bond among members and ensure that they won't tell any group secrets and maybe give them jerk off fuel and or blackmail. Number five new info 14 years ago Reddit user, whisper again, posted an AMA claiming they were a member of skull and bones.

And of course, they can be full shit, but I actually think they might be legit. At the very least, well versed on what they should say to sell legit. The following are some of the questions and responses. Question, Geronimo's bones. You got anything on that story? Whisper again.

No comments. But yeah, we has them. Question one, does bones offer any financial support to members during or post their tenure at Yale? Two, how did Alexander Robbins book effect your society? It seemed all a bit of a joke to me that people took it so seriously. Three, I know with other organizations, friend was in scroll and key, that the Rolodex is the most powerful element. However, did you find the actual society meetings, debates, rituals, etc. to be enriching?

She often spoke of them as kind of a stepping stone of sorts, much as a modern finishing school. Four, how much is the bones endowment at this time? Did it take a hit at the end of 2008? Yeah, with the big financial crisis. And five has someone ever be branded hired or otherwise affiliated themselves with you in hopes of benefiting from your membership. So now Whisperer again addresses these points. One, bones may get cast when they graduate. It's not enough to make your rich. More like a sizable parting gift. And that's probably that 15 grand. Two, bones been especially old ones seem to love the secrecy, secre secrecy and mystique of skill and bones. I think it's pretty stupid. And that's about the outrage over Alexander's book. Three, the society

meetings are a cool element. They really forced you to bond with your fellow taps in very short order. Okay, so this, you know, they like the rituals. Four, I don't pay attention to that stuff, but I hear RTA is doing just fine. Yeah, they got plenty of money. And five, all the time, but it's pretty easy to tell when people start sucking up to you right after the rumpus publishes your name. Now another question, what are the benefits of being in S&B, Whisperer again, getting to know other people who are or will one day be in positions of great importance? Yeah, ding, ding, ding. Question, what's the point of the club? What does it do? Whisper again, bones is really all about helping other bones,

man. There isn't a lot more to it than that. Follow up question. Then why the secrecy? Whisper again, it's basically a way to hype up the organization. Think about it. If you were a 21 year old smartass in an organization that everyone thought controlled the world, wouldn't you

try to further that perception? I fucking love that. Question as a form of pseudo authentication, could you elaborate on the meanings of the number 32 beyond which beyond that, which is publicly known and hypothesized? Whisperer again, there is no real reason per se. There's a silly story told that we're the descendants

of the Demostion tradition. Demostonese died in 32, so there you have it. The alternate story of us being the second chapter of some German society combined with 1832 to form 32 to his categorically false question. What was the hazing and initiation process like? I was in a Greek fraternity and I'm wondering how they compare. Why do they tap people in their senior year? Who runs it?

Grad students mostly? Whisper again. Almost parenthetical. All secret societies at Yale are senior societies. It's an old tradition. The society members run themselves. But the reason the taps are done at the end of junior year is so the previous class can teach them how to run things and transition power so to speak.

Grad students are not involved. There is no hazing per se. Tap night is an initiation type event with blindfolding, reading of names, and sharing of deep dark secrets. Bones been dressed up in masks to tap their initiates. Finally, the response that actually reveals some secrets. Question, no offense, but if you're legit, you're obviously still an undergrad, and I think that people have read it wanted to hear from some more senior members who perhaps have seen

Exactly what it can cannot do for them in the long run Also informing us on multiple answers that it's all about helping your fellow bonesman is all couldn't well But it isn't what we're reading this to see the obsession with death and dead things That is talk more on the obsession with dead things and other such interesting phenomena if you came here to say It's really not what you think then say it and let us get on our lives. Whoa, coming in hot, Redditor. How about you call the fuck down and thank them for talking to your dipshit ass when they get nothing out of this?

And Whisperer gets this, sorry, let me tell you about some interesting details about bones in. Since after all, that's what you wanted to hear. Most people enter skull and bones, thinking it is going to be lame and they're going to learn all about it, expose the secret inner workings of it and then go back to their friends and chuckle about how lame it is. But it rops you in.

In that way, it's very cult-like. The obsession with death and skulls and human remains are all the way to force group bonding. Other societies have it too. Wolf's head is obsessed with Egypt, for instance. The point of all this is that you get a bunch of skeptical king of the universe type A personalities together in a room and through the magic of a cultish tomb and some deep personal sharing, everyone bonds. It's really quite remarkable. The list of bones is in secret,

but what said in the tomb is, every year the Yale Rumpus publishes an accurate list of who's in the society. It's not a big deal. What is a big deal is sharing secrets told in the tomb. Your your force to trust your fellow Bonesman very quickly because you share with them your sexual history, your deepest and darkest secrets, and your greatest aspirations. Bones is a dry tomb, but you often get wasted with your society outside of the tomb. Bonesman is college students or as college students or want to do, spread misinformation about the society in order to increase

the mystique. Rumors I've heard that are false, that we have a blue-go-way, that we use more water than the rest of New Haven combined, that we somehow control the world, that we make everyone a millionaire by the time they're X-H, and that we somehow secretly plot to take over the world. So kind of redundant there. But things that are true, we have a lot of skulls in our tomb. Many of them were obtained illegally back when the society was obsessed with tomb robbing. I feel a bit bad about it. We have a lot of Nazi paraphernalia lying around. It's not because we're Nazis. In fact, there are plenty of non-white members. Rather, it ties into the society's obsession with death. It's really not what you think, but it's still

fucking sweet sometimes. The tomb is more like a hangout place. If you sit outside the tomb long enough, you'll see people coming in and out. People use it to store equipment over the summer. You get tapped to semester-reforcing your year, take a nap on a couch or just some time study. We went to deer island, that place is just a run down island, but it's cool to think that you have

some exclusive right to be there. The tomb was originally with an open, originally had an open courtyard, but people in the neighboring residential college, J.E., Jonathan Edwards, could look into it so it got closed up. Coolest things I've done include kissing Jiranamo's skull, with tongues scraping over the nasty ass teeth. I could get kicked out if my identity was revealed, members could do worse, but it wouldn't be in the form of cutting off my balls or leaving a horse's head in my bed. Rather, I'd be a persona non grata, wherever there were bones men,

and there are bones men fucking everywhere. And that is it. Time suck, tough, right takeaway. The Scullabone Secret Society has been sucked. I know so much more about them than I did last week. I hope you can now say the same. Thanks to the Bad Magic Productions team for the help of making time suck each and every week, starting again with Queen of Bad Magic, Linda Cummins. Thanks to the suck Ranger Tyler C for producing directing today to the art warlock Logan Keith for

helping with production. Thanks also to BiddleLixer for upkeep on the time suck app, the art warlock Logan Keith again for creating the merch at BadmagicMers.com and for helping run our socials along with our suck ranger and a team managed by our social media strategist Ryan Handelman. Thank you to producer Olivia Lee for the initial research this week. Thanks to the all-seeing eyes moderating the cult of curious private Facebook page. The mod squad for making sure discord keeps running smooth and everyone over on the time sucks subreddit and bad magic subreddit. Next week, very excited, we return to cult, cult, cult, Jeffrey Lungren and the Kirtland cult. We're gonna dive back into cults in the world of Mormonism with a

very interesting man, Jeffrey Lungren. This man born in Independence, Missouri, 1950 was a member of the restored church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a Mormon splinter group until his teaching started to get very unconventional. Though Jeffrey seemed to have the typical All-American upbringing and would even do a stint in the Navy during Vietnam, his later life would be anything but wholesome. And All-American as he used his interpretation of Mormon scripture and the Bible to bring more and more people into his cult. Eventually, he'd wind up in Kirkland, Kirkland, Ohio,

and after getting excommunicated by the RLDS church, he'd set up shop at a rundown farm where his followers worked, lived, did chores, all the while handing over paychecks to Jeffrey. Wouldn't be long before Jeffrey started talking about a mysterious pattern, the way God spoke to him and what he and his followers had to do to restore God's kingdom on earth. He predicted that they would take over the Kirkland temple by force fight off Satan's army and meet God face to face and his followers believed it They thought Jeffrey was a prophet and in our episode series on him will be going over you know why he absolutely was a prophet Oh, he you know knew with a hundred percent certainty and we know that God was speaking to Jeffrey Lungerin and everyone who wasn't listening to him was a heathen who was going to burn in hell for eternity. Only through

our Lord and Savior Jeffrey, maybe we receive eternal life. No. Obviously, Jeffrey Lunger was peddling in insane theories. Theories that included the fact that the group would not be able to meet God until the sin was purged from the ranks. Someone in the group had to die. And since Jeffrey told everyone different info, everyone thought it might be them, or their closest friend, or the person Jeffrey had told them to marry. Soon Jeffrey's rage would focus on five people, the Avery family, Dennis, Cheryl, and their three daughters. The Avery's were devoted followers of Jeffries, but Dennis Avery kept just a little bit of money to the family.

Didn't give it to the cult, and they lived lived on a different property and Jeffrey didn't like that. And Jeffrey felt they had to die. Do they die? We'll find out next week we're going to do the first of a two-part series on the very strange bloody story of Jeffrey Lungan. Right now we're going to head on over to this week's Times Sucker Updates. Updates? Get your Times Sucker Updates! Before I get into the updates this week, just a quick word. I do sometimes lurk in the Facebook group and Discord on Reddit. Just as you would folks are saying about Times Suck, right? Without listeners, this goes away. I'd like to know what listeners are thinking. Well, right after recording last week's episode, where I talked about how you don't have to say nice

things to me to get messages to play. There was this really funny red thread with a pick of an elephant sucking his own dick, a caption with something like Dan reading the time's out of your updates. So first off, that is very funny. And second, I do just want to remind everybody that I just read what's written. I don't cut off the pleasantries because you know, I don't want to twist people's messages tonally into something they didn't write and that feels disingenuous. But again, I am not the kind of personality

that is like, band the knee and kiss the ring if you need your voice to be heard in my domain. So again, you can write whatever you fucking want to write at the start of these. That now said, let me read today's messages as they're written. First one comes in from Spaceless or Alicia Welch who writes, Dan, the most handsome, smartest man with the biggest dick anyone has literally ever had. You're the best human has ever lived and known as worthy of standing in your deity like

presence. Kidding! She didn't write that. Thank God. She wrote, sorry, this may be long, but I just have to say I love your podcast. I listened to Scared of Death since day one. Now a space lizard just finished the anti-vaccine, smiled, laughed, and nearly cried.

I'm a mama, two kids, one is high function autistic, and I'm so proud of both my boys. With saying this, autistic kids are like snowflakes. Not one of them is alike. Just thank you so much for your kind words and actions. I struggle every day with PTSD, pain and depression. With your help, I see the lights. One time I was very suicidal,

but now I don't want to do something stupid and end up in Nimrod's butthole. Would you please give me a small shout outs and let others know that they're not alone. This tool will pass. You are a warrior. Never give up to fight. Well, thank you, Alicia.

Thank you for being brave and an awesome mom and agreeing to stick around for your boys and yourself. Everyone else who undoubtedly loves his shit out thank you, Alicia. Thank you for being brave and an awesome mom and agreeing to stick around for your boys and yourself. Everyone else who undoubtedly loves to shit out of you, hail Nimrod, Pellus of Fina. No one is truly alone with their pain. Someone else understands you. I think always, probably many of someone's. Next up, sweet sack, Macy Garaba calls me out

for fucking a name up again. And shares a little bit about an amazing bonus dad. She knows. She writes, damn mother fucking come is King of bad magic suck master. Lizard lover. I'm a bad magician inside and out. Space lizard and Annabelle.

Antony, dude, it's Antony, not Antony. You do the same thing in the Cleopatra suck. That is funny. I don't even like, when I see that Antony, my brain automatically adds an H. Another beloved Stephen Pontiac Michigan, it's not Detroit. I know it is close. Come on.

I'll be there with my amazing boyfriend, bonus dad to my daughter. I can't even express how amazing his human is. He is also a Dan must be something about Daniels that are just great LOL. If by a slim chance this makes it on the show, please give him a shout out. It is not easy being a parent and he stepped right into a father role and has accepted her and I as a package from the start. He is the best bonus daddy a sour patch kid could ask for. She's four going on tiny mom, and we are in the middle of the fuck this shit force. This age has nothing on the terrible twos I swear. These two humans are my light and all of the darkness.

Any who this man is my love, my partner, my fishing buddy, my all of the above. He showed me love as possible again after a ship marriage and an even shitter divorce. J. Bear and I love you, babe. We got this. Well, that is an adorable message. Macy, uh, this other dance sounds amazing. Yay for bonus dads. Uh, bonus dads and bonus mom. So for bonus dads. Bonus dads and bonus moms so important.

Such a noble thing to do truly. So good on you, Daniel. Have fun fishing you two. Catch the shit at whatever you're casting for. And now top shelf sack, Xavier Salinas. Has an important reminder for all of us before I close out with a little night, which is update. You're right, or they write,

Dear Master Sucker, bad magic crew, I'm writing in to say thank you for helping me through a tough time. I've been listening to you fuck up words for about two years now. Our first binge is we dumb, and I'm now almost caught up on time, suck. I recently listened to the pop award episode

and inspired me to try and spend time and appreciate the family I have, especially my little brother, and life seemed to shine a bit brighter after I started coming around more, calling and texting, or just sharing dumb memes with him. But it's life, so you never know what's coming next, and what came next really fucking hurts.

My 19 year old little brother, Christopher, Renee, Via, passed away, 2-1-23. Damn, he crashed around 1 at M from driving under the influence influence couldn't stay awake only five minutes for my mom's house at around 2 30 a.m. Sheriff's came knocking on my door looking for me because the car was still in my name. I just given it to him a few months prior after talking to the sheriff and figuring out what the fuck it happened. I had to relay the news now to my mother and step dad. I think that's the hardest part of all of this.

Seeing everyone else in pain hearing my mom cry and call out for him in the middle of the night, asking me where he is. I don't know what to say. I'm just trying not to lose my shit. I'm a pretty strong person, but holy fuck, I don't wish this on anyone. My brother was so sweet and just happy, always smiling, so determined and disciplined, just a damn good kid, graded football, basketball and track. He was the good one. I was the fuck up and got lucky so many times. I got that

tatted on my arm. It enrages me so much wondering why him just what the fuck. There's so much more I want to say, but it's hard enough to type this as as is. All I can do is help my mother pick up the pieces and live for him to the fullest. Anyway, meat sacks, love your friends and family because you never know when life's going to kick you right in the dick or the lady wing. Tell your people you love them because one day you will not be able to. I figured if I write to anyone, why not you guys because listen to time stock really change me for the better and have a better attitude on life and other people and hearing about peanut butter.

Shobies. Truly, thank you for this community. It's amazing. I love you guys. So thanks for reading. If you do, three out of five stars, wouldn't change a thing. Hail Nimrod, praiseable jangles. Stay here, Luc glory be to Michael motherfucking McDonald and you know just keep on sucking PS not sorry for the long email what this big deal your big deal master sucker LLC long live Chris

Yeah, man LLC long live Chris man. So sorry you had to experience that save your fucking brutal You're clearly a strong ass meat sack to carry that load, let your family lean on you. What sounds like a lot. And you're right. Live life to the fullest, partially to honor your brother's memory. Imagine you know, that he would want you to do the same if the situation was reversed. And thank you in your time of grief for taking a moment to remind us all that we don't know what's around the corner.

So don't hold back, right? You know, any love you got for those around you today, make sure those you love know that you love them. Hail them right. And last up, smart sucker, Laura has let me know that Lucifina might not be pleased with me. A misunderstanding that I'm going to clean up right here. I hope.

Laura wrote, uh, hi, Dan, long time time list of first time emailer. So hi, I got hooked on TimeSuck about three years ago when my co-worker suggested to me and we were swapping podcast recommendations. I listened to a lot of podcasts over the years and TimeSuck is one of my only tried and true shows I never miss. As a lifelong learner,

what keeps me coming back is the wide variety of fascinating topics and top notch research while keeping things fun and a reference. You'd think that wouldn't be a rare find in the podcasting world, but it is. So good on you. Keep on doing what you're doing. I feel compelled to send my first email after I just finished the night, which is episode. I consider myself a bit of a World War II history buff. So I'm always extra excited about these sucks. The episode did not disappoint and I was delighted to hear a story I'd

never heard before, but one thing did give me pause. Throughout the episode you explained Hail Lucifina, which is nothing new, part of the course, but the placement of these explanations is what made me stop and think. I've always assumed Lucifina is the goddess of all things sex and sexiness. She personifies to desire, sexuality, attraction, I've never heard you proclaim her name in any of the other war-related sucks. I think Nimrod has been the one to thank in those previous episodes about bravery, commitment, and being a badass motherfucker. The world and women themselves often judges their value to society based on how

beautiful they are or how fuckable or how fuckable. Women have had a lot more to offer this world and as a husband and father, I know you know this, but it can still be an idea we subconsciously cling to. The night which is were badass fighters. They did amazing things. They did nothing to do with their looks, attract them or how fuckable they were. Yet throughout the episode, you mentioned how hot they were, hailed the Saphina, and we're sure to mention that they did all this amazing stuff while still looking fine.

Would you ever make sure to include how handsome the other World War II soldiers you discussed were? I guess what I'm getting at is the idea that many men and women think that the highest way to compliment women, even the most courageous war heroes, is to hath all their looks. I would love to see a world where a woman's looks never came into the conversation when discussing her success in triumphs. Being beautiful is great, and it makes life easier, but it isn't a qualifier. It's not table stakes for a woman to be considered valuable.

A woman can look like JoJo the dog faced, and still be a badass, be valuable and be respected. Anyway, just something to think of. Hail Nimrod for giving us a community of open-mindedness that allows us to bring these subtle undertones to the surface and discuss them. Yes. Thank you for reading Laura. Well, Laura, first off, great JoJo, the dog faced boy reference.

I haven't heard that one in one of those in a while. Maybe laugh for sure. Yeah, and second, often in real life, and sometimes here on the podcast, I work things out in my head that become obvious to myself, but then forget to share those things out loud with the rest of the world, not even necessarily forgetting,

but like the rest of the world isn't mind readers, or not gonna understand where I come from, I just don't think of it. The Hail Luciferous were not actually references to the attractiveness of the night, which is in 90% of the instances in that episode, I am aware of how often women are judged by their looks alone.

And I truly do try to not make that, an important and defining aspect of their lives. I don't comment on the attractiveness of men for the most part simply because I'm just not personally attracted to men. I don't think of other men as sexual creatures in the same way. I do think of women's sexually because you know, I'm attracted to the female form, but also realize women are so much more than the sum of their sexual parts. What I intended to do with the night, which is episode was to associate Lucifina, the goddess herself, not just with sexuality, but also with bravery and strength.

You could, Lucifina could fucking love you for being just a badass, a champion of women or a woman who is strong and brave. It's not have all of that go to the masculine deity of Nimrod, but I doubt I said that. Just thought it. And you know, so I am sorry that I distracted you. Luciferina to me can also represent, you know, much more than beauty. She's a fucking warrior, whenever she needs to be, or a real Achilles. Ironically, when I do think of Achilles, I do think of sexiness. Can we all admit that Brad Pitt, when he played Achilles, transcended all sexual

preference and just became fucking, you know, sexy to all living, breathing, humans. Just, my God, just amazing. But I hope that that clears things up, Laura. And I do love emails, like this. I do love discussing things like this. They're my favorite kind of updates, because it is good to discuss those. I'm sure we'll get some emails about my Boy Scout, Girl Scout comment. And I look forward to them. We can talk about it, you know, and maybe come to a better common understanding. So, Hail Nymrod, my God, Hail Lucifena, both of them boss bitches in their own rights and Hail Yulora, thanks for sending in that message.

Thanks for listening to another Bad Magic Productions podcast. Please don't risk breaking an entering charge We all did. Thanks for listening to another Bad Magic Productions podcast. Please don't risk breaking and entering charge or worse trying to sneak into the skull and bones to him this week. It doesn't sound like you're going to find anything that interesting. Play it safe. Don't waste your time. Jerk off on your own coffin.

And keep on sucking. socket. And magic productions. Yes, we did it, Jerome Moe. We've tricked him again. They have no idea that I'm clearly a bonesman. Once a bonesman always a bonesman, right, Toronto mode. I mean, come on, Gonzaga, have they really been buying that bullshit? I'm clearly a highly educated yeyly.

I mean, just think about my master of the Italian language alone. Mazzarara Bucata Toro and Dennis! You get it, your animal. You always get it.