Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 82 - The Westboro Baptist Lunatics

Episode Date: April 9, 2018

The Westboro Baptist Church (WBC), founded by hatemonger Fred Phelps, is an American church (cult) known for protesting funerals with preposterously homophobic signs and for its use of inflammatory ha...te speech, especially against LGBT+ people. They also hate Catholics, Jews, Muslims, soldiers, America, and more. They hate almost everyone. The Southern Poverty Law Center has called the WBC, “arguably the most obnoxious and rabid hate group in America.” Find out why they believe what they do, and a little unexpected inspiration, today, on Timesuck! Timesuck is brought to you by My West Coast Buds, the podcast! Take an inside look at cannabis, coffee, comedy, and spirits. Timesuck is also brought to you by American Addiction Centers. AAC is revolutionizing the addiction treatment industry with holistic, evidence-based treatment practices. Need help? Call American Addiction Centers at 888-693-3308 - available 24/7. Your life is worth more than your addiction. Don't wait until it's too late! Merch - https://badmagicmerch.com/ Want to try out Discord!?! https://discord.gg/tqzH89v Want to join the Cult of the Curious private Facebook Group? Go directly to Facebook and search for "Cult of the Curious" in order to locate whatever current page hasn't been put in FB Jail :) For all merch related questions: https://badmagicmerch.com/pages/contact Please rate and subscribe on iTunes and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!! @timesuckpodcast on IG, @timesuckpodcast on Twitter, and www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcast Wanna be a Space Lizard"? Go here: https://www.patreon.com/timesuckpodcast Sign up through Patreon and for $5 a month you get to listen to the Secret Suck, which will drop Thursdays at Noon, PST. You'll also get 20% off of all regular Timesuck merch PLUS access to exclusive Space Lizard merch. You get to vote on two Monday topics each month via the app. And you get the download link for my new comedy album, Feel the Heat. Check the Patreon posts to find out how to download the new album and take advantage of other benefits. And, thank you for supporting the show by doing your Amazon shopping after clicking on my Amazon link at www.timesuckpodcast.com

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The Westboro Baptist Church is just that, a church, kind of. Technically, a Christian church in theory. They seem to think they're amazing Christians. Not real big on the forgiveness angle though. Not real big on the judge, not less EB judge angle. Not really into the gospels, more into Leviticus, like Leviticus 20, 23, and ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation which i cast out before you for they committed all these things
Starting point is 00:00:28 and therefore i have heard them they like the fire in the brimstone uh... they were able to find some of that in some of the slums to like slums fifty three five uh... they were they uh... there were they in great fear where no fear was for god had scattered the bones of him and camp at the against the now has put them to shame because God hath despised them. They have a whole page of Bible verses where they have highlighted words like hate, anger, wrath, despise, judgment on
Starting point is 00:00:59 the very comprehensive websites, and I'm not making this up. God hates fags.com. Yep, that is the Church's official website. I'll say it again in case you're thinking, there's no fucking way. He just said what I think he just said. God hates fags.com. Sorry for the language, it's not mine. And you know when they found out that domain wasn't taken.
Starting point is 00:01:20 Lot of high fives were thrown around. Lot of praise Jesus, lot of thank Lord. If the God of Christianity is real, there may not be a church he is more embarrassed and appalled by than the Westboro Baptist Church. We look into who these idiots are, why they seem to hate everybody and how they justify it today on time suck. Get ready to get mad. Sup time suckers happy Monday. I'm Dan Cummins aka the master sucker aka the anti-west pro and you are listening to time suck great decision.
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Starting point is 00:04:13 Also, hoping the flatters tour went well last night at the comedy zone in Charlotte. You know what, I'm just gonna be super optimistic. And I'm gonna say, you know what, thanks guys for the sellout, thanks for the sellout show. Sold out show, I appreciate it. I mean, it is looking like that's very possible. And I'm gonna be optimistic.
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Starting point is 00:05:04 Spokane, Washington, the Spokane Commodore The May 6 only live podcast. I'll be doing until Orlando in the late summer. So get your ass down there More two dates at then Cummins.com TV time is so key to the Westboro Baptist lunatics right now right now. All right, so who are the Westboro Baptist Church? Let's go to the homepage of their website to find out. It says, established in 1955 by Pastor Fred Friendly Phelps. I added the friendly, no one else has ever called in there. The Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas,
Starting point is 00:05:40 still exists today as an old school or primitive Baptist church. New career goal to play to Pika and have these fuckheads protest my show. God, that'll be awesome. You know what, there are signs no more Nimrod. God hates Dan. God hates time suck. God hates Ticotillo. No more shame, cock.
Starting point is 00:05:59 So many fun, protest sign possibilities. Get out there, Westboro Baptist Church. Anyways, they say we'd hear the teachings of the Bible, preach against all form of sin, for example, fornication, adultery, including divorce and remarriage. Sodom, they're real big on that. Insist that the sovereignty of God and the doctrines of grace be taught and expounded publicly to all men. These doctrines of grace were well summed up by John Calvin in his five points of Calvinism, total depravity, unconditional election, limited
Starting point is 00:06:30 atonement, irresistible grace, and the perseverance of the saints. Although these doctrines are almost universally hated today, they were once loved and believed by a smoker of the people. So what are these five points of Calvinism? really? We should probably take a look at that if we're trying to understand the WBC and the WBC is based in the LBC and the Snoop Theo Double G. What? No, Calvinism. Also known by the acronym of Tulip, the first of the letters in Tulip stands for Total Depravity. Simply, man is dead. The Bible says that you and I are dead and trespasses and sins, Ephesians, Chapter 2, Verse 1-6, Unless we are born again, dead. Consider what that means. Can a man do good work, then, if he is not a Christian who is born again? No. Whatsoever is not to faith his sin, Romans 14, 23.
Starting point is 00:07:19 Can a man want to be born again and follow instructions on how to do it? No. That would be like saying that a man in the grave can desire to come out of the grave or follow instructions on how to be made alive. Can a man accept Christ as a personal savior so that he becomes saved after that? Of course not. Accepting Christ is a good work done only by a Christian, only after God makes a person alive. Can he? Will he accept Christ?
Starting point is 00:07:41 Can you offer salvation to anyone? That is surely impossible. This is this is what it's fucking. One might as well offer food to a dead man, then salvation to a dead sinner. Okay, so basically, if I understand this at all, if you don't believe in Jesus and the teachings of the Bible and you don't live like a Christian, you know, like a Christian life and a void sin and you're not kind of chosen to be Christian. You're you're walking like a useless dead person. You're like a zombie.
Starting point is 00:08:07 You're a zombie, but instead of rotting skin and a hunger for brains, you have probably tattooed skin and a hunger for pussy dick and an overall good time. I feel like if that's not a correct interpretation, it's I'm in the ballpark. Okay, the you, I won't go into the next ones and nearly as much depth, but I just wanted to give that first letter as an example. The you in tulip stands for unconditional election. This simply means God chooses to give some people internal life without looking for anything good in them as a condition for loving and saving them.
Starting point is 00:08:36 So before they, you know, do good or bad, God chose some of his people and rejected others. What the fuck? This is so different than almost every other former Christianity. So, I mean, there are a few other ones that are similar, but most of this is just like complete opposite ethos to most Christianity. So, wouldn't that mean that, I guess like maybe God had pre-selected like gay people,
Starting point is 00:08:56 gay people to go to heaven, and maybe they should leave them alone? I mean, this shit makes no sense at all. They point to John 1516 to justify this belief, which says, you have not chosen me. I've chosen you. Okay. So some, some people are chosen. Other people are out of luck. Uh, I got to say, uh, doesn't feel like I've made the cut. I worry if that's true. I feel like I probably didn't make the cut. Uh, the L and tulip stands for limited atonement. Uh, the
Starting point is 00:09:20 great gospel message that so many today are urgently carrying to distant lands is that Christ made its home with his death But there are two critical points to which this message is so just fear severely distorted That it no longer carries the gospel message the first distortion and certain what Christ's death did the biblical truth of Atonement is that his death paid for sins Yet so many today teach that Christ's death was it was only an example for us to follow And if one merely follows his example, he will be saved. Or does Todd the Christ death did not actually pay for specific sins, but it made it possible
Starting point is 00:09:50 for all sins to be paid for and they think this is bullshit. But they say the Bible said that Christ death in the cross actually paid for sins, like paid for him paid like a transaction. Acts 20, 28 says that God bought the church with his own blood and a tome is limited to the elect of God. So again, I guess they think that God literally the church with his own blood and atonement is limited to the elective God. So again I guess they think that God literally like like Like through Jesus like paid for some sins like Jesus paid for a limited amount of sin So I guess not like an infinite amount like he I guess he was just like uh, yo God
Starting point is 00:10:17 Look I can give you like 10 pines of blood, but that's it. It's all I got. How many souls is that pay for? 3 million 470 211. Oh, okay. All right. Well, that's the bummer That's it! That's all I got. How many souls does that pay for? Three million? Four hundred seventy-thousand two hundred and one. Okay. Alright. That's the bummer. There's gonna end up being a lot more people than that. Okay.
Starting point is 00:10:31 Well, I guess then that's how many people have a chance to go to heaven and everyone else, you know, no matter how good they are. I guess they just go to hell, right? That's correct. Okay. Alright. Cool. Thanks, God.
Starting point is 00:10:43 Love your decision making process. You are the best, just most fairest, most omnipotentest, goodest goddess ever. Yeah, that's just fucking crazy to me. That is crazy to me. The eye in tulips stands for irresistible grace. God's grace to save a person can now be resisted. Grace is God's free and unmerited power to save a person from his sins, which would otherwise lead us to hell.
Starting point is 00:11:04 Grace brings him to heaven who naturally would end in eternal hell. The grace is irresistible. That means that if God gives grace to you, there is nothing in the world that you can do to resist it and thwart God's intention to take you to heaven. The certainty of salvation for God's elect is seen in John 637, where Jesus says, all that the Father has given me shall come to me. There is no doubt that they will be saved. Verse 44 says that those who come to God come because God draws them, not our will,
Starting point is 00:11:31 but God's will is first and powerful. So, okay, so if you're chosen, you're going to know it. You won't be able to deny it and you get to go to heaven. If that is true, why would you protest anything ever? Why not just let Grace make its way to the chosen? And you know, stop fucking harassing everybody else. Stop harassing the grieving family members of a homosexuals, you monsters,
Starting point is 00:11:54 when you spit your hate speech at their funerals. I feel like I've learned more in 10 minutes of analyzing their scriptural roots than about the belief basis of the Westboro Baptist Church, than the sum total of knowledge gathered by the entirety of its congregation. There's no justification for the crazy shit that they do in the theological teachings that they themselves point to. And then there's the p, the preservation of saints.
Starting point is 00:12:17 Last of the five points of Calvinism teaches that God preserves his people so they can never be lost. Put it simply, it means once you are saved, you are always saved. Okay, so are always saved. Okay, so this should be crazy. This should make no more sense that David Ix writings on the lizard illuminati to me. So some people are pre-chelos and be saved. Those people can't resist being saved. They're saved for sure. Can't be not saved. Can't be unsaved. Jesus paid for their specific souls with his weird, like, specific blood transaction. No one else is, everyone else just walking sin zombies. Apparently this is the most radical form of Calvinism
Starting point is 00:12:47 and some Calvinists are like four point Calvinists, for example, they don't believe in the limited atonement part, they don't believe that Christ just died for some people, they believe that he died for everybody. I've watched some YouTube videos of people breaking down the differences further among Calvinist denominations and I gotta say, it all all reads pretty great great to me. I know I have a lot of religious listeners and I'm really unhappy that you have a faith that gives you strength.
Starting point is 00:13:09 I mean, honestly, I am. I don't, I'm not trying to encourage you to move away from that whatsoever, but I just kind of say to my non-religious years, arguing over the spiritual interpretations of words written in one language a couple thousand years ago, translated over and over into a series of other languages, interpreted interpreted reinterpreted over and over into a myriad of cultures It comes across no different to me than arguing over like what color a unicorn is or how tall the Sasquatch is And people dedicate their entire life to these interpretations and they get so fucking angry about it like no That's not what God said and they point these quotes and like see the answer is obvious, but I read it and like No, that's not what God said. And they pointed these quotes and they're like, see, the answer is obvious, but I read it. And like, no, it's not. That is you projecting your fucking shitty horrible, you know, anti this, anti that beliefs into scripture and wanting to use it
Starting point is 00:13:57 to justify your own hate. This reminds me the North God sucked to man spider horses, you know, God's a super clean feet for all their power, just man, faith and logic. They don't have to be friends. They don't have to be distant acquaintances. So I look at it like if you're gonna, if it's all kind of up for interpretation, why can't you interpret it in a nice way? I can't you focus on the sweet parts.
Starting point is 00:14:15 There's plenty of them in there. Ah, but that is the biblical denomination that the WCBC, excuse me, is basing. I keep seeing WBC in a reminds me of WWF. I keep picturing them as like a branch of like, or like, or WWE, like a branch of like professional wrestling, a pretty extreme form of Christianity. And then they take the extreme,
Starting point is 00:14:36 and then they go to extreme end of that. Back to their website, self description, even though the Armenian lies that God loves everyone and Jesus died for everyone are being taught from nearly every pulpit in this generation, this hasn't always been the case. Armenian, by the way, is relating to the doctrines of Jacobus, Arminius, the Latinized name of Jacob, Hermandezun, he was a Dutch Protestant theologian in the end of the 16th beginning of the 17th century who rejected the Calvinist doctrine of predestination
Starting point is 00:15:08 His teachings had a considerable influence on methodism. So you know, they're pissed off at this guy who You know wouldn't buy into their predetermination predestination excuse me part. So again Typical our interpretation is the only one that's right everyone else else is gonna burn and hell. That's tired old bullshit. Oh my God. When will that pointless song and dance ever end? I remember hearing the most crazy shit come from my grandma, Carl's mouth constantly.
Starting point is 00:15:33 She was convinced, my grandma, I've talked about on the podcast, but it relates to this episode. She was in her very limited, very obscure Pentecostal assembly god's denomination that she went to. She was convinced that everyone else including mostentecostal assembly god's denomination that she went to. She was convinced that everyone else, including most of the other assembly god churches, and all the other churches, all those people were gonna burn in hell. And so many of them, just like great people, but she stayed in her weird little world,
Starting point is 00:15:57 never met any of them and just assumed they're all misguided evil people. What a sad, and that's how she lived her entire life. And to me, her life was a fucking pathetic waste. I know it's my own grandma I'm talking about, but I just I had no respect for how she lived her life. Just pathetic to me. If you're in a church that supposedly believes the Bible and you're hearing these lies that your church, oh, this is back to their stuff. If you're in a church that supposedly believes the Bible and you're hearing these lies, then your church doesn't teach with the Bible teachers. Because you guys know best. If you care about your never dying soul,
Starting point is 00:16:27 you will carefully read every word of this website of GodHatesFacts.com. Along with the entire Bible. Okay, so you're the only one to get it. Everyone else is in burn. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yawn, heard it a million times. WBC engages in daily peaceful sidewalk demonstrations, opposing the homosexual lifestyles of sole dam and nation destroying filth.
Starting point is 00:16:50 We display large colorful signs containing Bible words and sentiments, including and I apologize for what I'm about to say, but I'm reading from their website. And I don't want to censor it, so I want you to understand what I'm saying. Their colorful signs include God hates facts, bags hate God. what I'm saying. Their colorful signs include God hates facts, bags hate God. AIDS cures facts. Thank God for AIDS.
Starting point is 00:17:08 Fags burdened hell. God is not mocked. Fags are nature freaks. God gave facts up. No special laws for facts. My God. Fags doomed nations. Thank God for dead soldiers.
Starting point is 00:17:17 Fag troops. God blew up the troops. God hates America. America is doomed. Fucking, I hate these guys so much. What an amazing pivot. That wasn't utter madness and preposterous hate there. Right?
Starting point is 00:17:32 I love that they start off their paragraph, paragraph, excuse me, very nonchalantly with the WBC engages in daily peaceful sidewalk demonstrations. You're like, okay, that sounds kind of reasonable. You know, freedom of religion, I'm on for it, I'm pro. Believe what you want to believe Okay, and then they say opposing the homosexual lifestyle of soul-daming nation destroying filth Okay, seems a little harsh seems like you could have you could have chosen to believe that homosexuality is a sin
Starting point is 00:17:58 If that's what your book, you know, I want you to believe, but you know You could have gone with them with the hate to sit not, not the sinner angle, that's something that's possible, but that's not the WC style, because then they say, we display large colorful signs containing Bible words and sentiments. Okay, that sounds happy again, okay, okay. I like a large colorful sign from time to time.
Starting point is 00:18:18 You know, happy birthday, just married, congratulations, class of 2018. I mean, that kind of stuff is fun. Let's hear what kind of colorful Bible signs you have. And then it goes straight to thank God for dead soldiers. Wow, that doesn't seem biblical. I don't remember God hating soldiers in the Bible. Is that in the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Starting point is 00:18:37 Huh. It's almost like these people are just ignorant, vicious, small-minded, hateful, evil, pathetic fucking losers, pushing their own petty, simple-minded, fear-based agenda through the guys are religion. And then these shitheads continue with their hate-mongering. They say, perceiving the modern militant homosexual movement to pose a clear and present danger to the survival of America, exposing our nation to the wrath of God as an 1898 BC at Sodom and Gomorrah. I love how they
Starting point is 00:19:06 have an exact date for that. Apparently they know more about antiquity than all of the world's archaeologists. WBC has conducted 60 has conducted, I said, that's it, convicted. WBC has conducted 61,500 such demonstrations since June 1991. My God, that's even busy at homosexual parades and other events including funerals of an impenetent Jesus. Sodomites like Matthew Shepherd and over 400 military funerals, Matthew Shepherd by the way,
Starting point is 00:19:39 I went to a vigil for his death when I was in college of like how could that have happened that was that poor kid in Wyoming who was at a bar some people wanted to rob him they took him out where they found him found out he was gay in addition to robbing them they killed it and they're and they're you know they were yeah glad he's dead in this funeral like that's when I first learned about these pieces yet over 400 military funerals of troops whom God has killed in Iraq Afghanistan and right just judgment against an evil nation.
Starting point is 00:20:07 See a list of cities where WBC is picketed, the letter to Peacomere that set off the great gauge, park, decency, drive. Read all frequently asked questions for more information. America crossed the line on June 26th, 2003 when the Supreme Court, the conscious of the nation, ruled that we must respect sodomy. I remember that I remember when a judge came out just addressed our country. People of the United States we must respect sodomy above all else respect it. Risk don't go into it willy nilly.
Starting point is 00:20:40 You got to have the proper lube and preparation you must respect it. Don't you remember that press conference? WBC teams have picketed all over the United States and internationally, including Canada, Jordan, Iraq. For more information about WBC, feel free to attend one of our weekly church meetings. We are located at 3701 West 12th Street in Topeka, Kansas.
Starting point is 00:21:02 Our regular service time is 11.30 a.m. Please arrive 50 minutes early on occasion. Our meeting time may vary due to our street preaching schedule. If you wish to attend, we encourage you to email us the day before to confirm the time. So that's who they say they are. And they don't hide their hate one bit. When they listed their email
Starting point is 00:21:19 and I was just so mad about all this, I couldn't resist reaching out. So I emailed, late last night I emailed him. We just never good to send a late night email, but whatever. I copied and pasted it into the day's document. And here's what I wrote. I wrote with a subject line of big fan exclamation point. And I wrote, hi guys, exclamation point.
Starting point is 00:21:37 Big fan of what you do and I wanna help out. I love Jesus and I hate all caps, everyone else. Gays, the military, teachers, liberals, lion politicians, beast reality people, dwarves, communists, Polish people, gingers, people who drive to slow, people who hate God, people who say God damn it, people who say fuck, people who say butthole, tweens,
Starting point is 00:21:58 doctors that try to cure AIDS, Chuck, albinoes, women, lifeguards, the people who work at my local dominoes, pizza place, fuck up my order, shadow chickatilo, your mom. That one guy who does that thing that you can't really describe or remember, but you know it drives you crazy, fuck that guy. And most of all, fuck you, you inbred fake Christian cocksuckers. I've never protested a funeral before, but when you die, I'll make an exception.
Starting point is 00:22:21 Love Dan, PS, you better hope that hell you preach about isn't real or you will be standing in the hottest spot. So I know it's childish. The Friday doesn't accomplish anything. The Friday didn't read the whole thing, but it felt good. It felt good to send that. If you would like to send them your thoughts,
Starting point is 00:22:37 their email is believe on the Lord Jesus at wbcstuff.com. I'll be sure to put that in the show notes in the episode description. So you can make it easy for you. You can send them a whatever you feel like sending when you get fired up from listening to this episode. Okay, so before we dig into their infamous protests that have brought them international attention and the reason why most of us have heard of them, let's go back to their origin.
Starting point is 00:22:57 Let's look at their founder, Fred Flasio Phelps. It's not, it's not his middle name. This is from the Southern Poverty Law Center. Fred Phelps born in Mississippi. A 1929 Phelps dropped out of Bob Jones University in 1947. Now, I know of Bob Jones University, and this says so much. He dropped out of a super conservative Christian college in 1947, when it was obviously way more conservative than it was now.
Starting point is 00:23:25 It is now. I bet you dropped out too because I bet he felt their interpretation of the scripture was too liberal. That's it. There's no documentation out there about exactly why for sure. We'll never know. I bet you though it was too liberal for him. And let me let me show you how conservative this place is. And this is not a knock against Christian listeners. I actually I bet most Christian listeners listening to this now are going to be like, what in the frick? Or you know, whatever you want to say. This is school where at least as recent as 2014, according to a copy, I found out their own student handbook.
Starting point is 00:23:56 This comes from their student handbook. Here are some of the many, many, many rules. They have so many rules. Male and female students cannot be alone in a classroom, rehearsal studio, or other room. That's a rule. Another rule is male students must obtain the dean's approval to date a female,
Starting point is 00:24:15 day student, or non-student. So if they're not, you know, a full-time student of Bob Jones, you gotta talk to the dean about, can I date this person? Students may not eat in a restaurant that has a tavern or bar-like reputation Atmosphere or that does not section off the dining room for live entertainment fuck T. J. Friday's oh Not letting you go to that hot bed of sin God forbid the precious students at Bob Jones University like you know go to a hotel lounge and here at Eagles cover band
Starting point is 00:24:44 You know what if they read too much into the lyrics of Hotel California and it just takes him right out of school. What if they listen to some dreadlocked singer songwriter referencing non-Christian sexual tension at open mic. They probably just rip off their pants and start fucking each other right there in the lobby. Students may only view G-rated movies in private. G-rated in private and we're not talking about kindergarteners. This is college.
Starting point is 00:25:08 In addition to doing a show in Topeka, I also now have a career goal of wanting to perform at Bob Jones University. I want to perform my full uncensored show there. I want to do my slow stroke bit and I want to watch people's heads just fucking explode. Uh, another rule is tattoos are forbidden and then this one might be my favorite. It's not. Faux Hawks. Faux Hawks are forbidden. That's the quote. Faux Hawks are forbidden. I'm not kidding. What? What? What does that have to do with the Bible? Who decides who gets to decide what a Christian airco looks like?
Starting point is 00:25:46 Is it like Flobe? It has to be from a Flobe. How is this an accredited university? It's so dumb. These rules, uh, another rule is you may not visit celebrity home pages on the internet or any site that contains secular music lyrics or any joke humor site. Huh. Any music that's another rule in which, uh, in which in whole or in part, okay, any music, sorry,
Starting point is 00:26:07 any music which, I'm getting like the giggles on this episode, because it's just so crazy. This is real to me. Any music which in whole or in part derives from the following broadly defined genres, or there's sub, yeah, sub genres, rock, pop, country, jazz, electro, electronic techno, rap, hip hop, or the fusion of any of these genres is banned. Even if it's Christian, what? You know, just some professor, whoa, Billy, do I hear some Christian jazz hip hop fusion coming out of your heavily firewild computer?
Starting point is 00:26:43 Are you trying to go to hell, Billy? Do you want to burn forever, Billy? Christian jazz. Hip hop fusion. That's how the devil gets you. First you listen to that. Then, pretty soon you're sporting a foe hawk. Next thing you know, you're watching the Incredibles.
Starting point is 00:27:00 It's PG, Billy. It's PG. Then pretty soon you're on a humor site Then you're sitting in a classroom with someone of the opposite sex then you're dating a non-student then your deep throat and Satan Since you're listening to time suck. Hey, well Nimrod. Hey, I'll lose to Fina then you're lost And this is the place that Fred Phelps left in 1947 No, no when I can only imagine I couldn't find a 1947 handbook online. I'm sure there probably isn't one. I can only imagine what rules were in there then.
Starting point is 00:27:31 Uh, yeah. This is a dude who became a Baptist minister at the age of 17. He stopped talking to his family around the age of 18 because they were Methodist. He left home and he was like, not talking to my fucking family. Never talked to him again. Stop talking to his father because after his mom died, his father remarried a Methodist woman who had been married once before.
Starting point is 00:27:49 And that was just death in Fred Phelps' ice. Absolutely unforgivable. Fred Phelps from a very early age was just fire in Brimstone in hate and judgment personified. He's such a hateful fuck of a human being, or was. He's dead. He got his first taste of media attention in 1951 when time magazine profiled his street preaching crusade against
Starting point is 00:28:11 dirty humor. Man, I would have hated him if I was a comic in the 50s. I would have had a 50 minute piece about him if I was some nightclub comic in the 50s. George Carlin, my favorite comic despised Fred Phelps and Fred despised him when he died. He told the world that Carl and was just roasting in hell. And then he just, he just, he just bends scripture to his hateful will, you know, for like, for like a, for ever in this little, and this just goes off about it. I can't confirm the WC did show up at Carl's funeral, but, but I know that at the very least they, they plan to be there.
Starting point is 00:28:44 I hope they did show up. I'm guessing they would have given Carlisle's friend a good laugh. If Carlisle could have been there, he'd have been laughing. After earning a lot of degree from Washburn University in 1962, Fels went on to build a reputation as of all things a civil rights lawyer. Seriously, hated gays, love Godfaring Christians of all colors. Interesting. He actually won some awards from local NA local and they double a cp chapters
Starting point is 00:29:07 uh... or did he love these people at least one person close to the felt that the award were far from well deserved in nineteen ninety four self-published book by john michael bell local to pick a journalist said that although felt worked on behalf of many black clients he reportedly expressed racist views and actually actually wasn't going to put some of this uh... excuse me one of his sons, Nate Phelps, an LGBT activist and a professional on topics
Starting point is 00:29:30 of religion and child abuse, like a professional speaker now, on those topics, a man who stopped speaking to his father at the age of 18, claimed Fred that routinely beat him in his other 12 siblings, because Fred Phelps had 13 kids, which is not good for the world. State that Phelps largely took civil rights cases
Starting point is 00:29:44 for money rather than principal. Nate said his father held racist attitudes, excuse me, and he would use slurs against black clients. They would come into the office after they left. He would talk about how stupid they were and call them dumb, you know, you can guess. And that sounds right to me. Now I understand his civil rights work. Phelps law career began to crumble 1979,
Starting point is 00:30:05 when he was disbard in Kansas for perjury, he continued to rack up complaints for false testimony until as part of a 1989 plea deal agreed to cease practicing in federal courts. Uh huh. It was a 1991 that Philps kicked off as anti gay crusade with picketing of a Topeka Park allegedly frequented by LGBT people.
Starting point is 00:30:24 In the early 90s, he began a torrent of anti gay, uh, pickets across America that continues, uh, passes to this day. His hundreds of actions have resulted in extensive media coverage, as well as numerous local city, state, federal laws seeking to curb Belvedice activities. And this is kind of cool. In fact, uh, uh, his attempts to pick it in Canada resulted in that country's first hate crime law. Uh, informally known as the Fred Phelps Law. So some good came about because of this dumb shit. Other legislation sparked by Phelps protests include the Federal Fallen Heroes Act, which
Starting point is 00:30:52 was passed in May 2006 after Phelps made headlines targeting the funerals of US soldiers, killed in Iraq. It prohibits protests within 300 feet of any national cemetery from 60 minutes before to 60 minutes after a funeral. Twenty states have since passed laws similar to the Fallen Heroes Act, while many cities, including Phelps, hometown and Topeka have enacted local ordinances to further thwart Phelps and his crew. The American Civil Liwiti Union filed suits in Missouri and Ohio on behalf of Phelps
Starting point is 00:31:18 Church without success. Phelps to Topeka compound, which houses his church in five homes occupied by relatives. And again, this was written a few years before he died. So just remember, he is dead now. Draped with an enormous upside down American flag, representing the fallination in Phelps size, sees protected by what he calls a Fag Navy. Yep. He targeted not only liberal, but also conservative icons such as Ronald Reagan.
Starting point is 00:31:44 Phelps picketed for sending an ambassador to the Vatican because the Catholic Church, they're all going to hell because of their sex scandals. Phelps also publicly praised the number of America's official enemies, including Fidel Castro and Saddam Hussein. He liked that Saddam Hussein let some Christians practice Christianity in Iraq. So, hated America, but somehow Iraq was okay for a while. Because his professed hatred for gay men and lesbians ran so deep and overflowed in such bizarre ways, some question to source and nature of Belps commitment to the cause of
Starting point is 00:32:14 anti-gay activism. One person said, I'm so tired of people calling him an anti-gay activist. He's not anti-gay. He's a human abuse machine. I love that. A human abuse machine. What a great band name. It's a good metal band name, human abuse machine. They beowing their new single fuck Fred Phillips. Uh, targets of this abuse machine extend, uh, beyond those normally
Starting point is 00:32:37 attacked by anti activists, Westbrook after church members under Phillips orders had picketed Bill Clinton's mother, Sony Bono, Frank Sinatra, Bob Dolegier, he fall well Santa Claus, the 17 sailors killed aboard the USS Cole and Yemen in 2000. Oh my God, all of whom felt attacked and called Fags or supporter of the Faggit Genda in 2000. And again, that's every time I use that word, that is his word. In 2009, WC members began viciously attacking Jewish people protesting and verbally attacking protesting in front of Stinnegoggs, holding signs reading the Jews killed Jesus, God hates Jews. Westboro's protests have tested the boundaries of the First Amendment,
Starting point is 00:33:16 have been found to be legal. 2006, the group picketed the funeral of Lance Corporal Matthew Snyder and Maryland. Snyder's father subsequently sued one of five million dollar verdict against Westboro, but the judgment was thrown out on appeal, a ruling that was affirmed eight to one by the Supreme Court in March 2011 as a nation we have chosen to protect even hurtful speech on public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate. Wrote Chief Justice John Roberts in the majority opinion, which I do agree with. I hate these guys so much, but would never want to censor them because of what that represents. By 2012, Phelps was ailing two of his daughters, Margie Phelps and Shirley Phelps, Roper. They'd become the public face of Westbro. Margie Phelps works the Kansas Department of Corrections.
Starting point is 00:33:54 That's great. Appeared to have a broader spectrum of hate than her father. In 2004, she was arrested while protesting a dedication ceremony for the Brown versus Board of Education, historical site and to be case, he's the anti-education as well. Phelps died on March 19, 2014. I feel like clapping. Two months after he died, someone with his compound leaked a bunch of photos online of
Starting point is 00:34:17 Phelps through the years with various dicks in his mouth, pictures of him behind truck stops, YMCA, Sonnanas, bathroom, the outback steakhouse. Autopsy was performed after Phil's death and he actually died of a dick overdose. Turns out you can OD on cock. Yep, forensics, guesstimated that over the course of his life, Phil's had run through roughly 45,000 dicks and that's why the sexual act of having five dicks in your butt. At the same time as having another 10 in your mouth, it's called getting felt. It's called getting Fred felt. Man, you got slow down man. You can't keep getting Fred felt every weekend. Colin can only take so much man. You're gonna fixate. You gotta be careful.
Starting point is 00:34:54 All that, you know, you can't be pulling two, three Fred felps in a single weekend. Of course, that's not true, but I just felt compelled to say it on the off chance that a member of the Westbrook about the church would ever listen to this podcast episode because it's named after them I just too much fun to think about the rage. They would feel hearing that I just picture them just punching whatever would happen to be just no No, he would not know Just freaking out. That's a founder. That's Fred Phillips. What about the church he built now use the term church very loosely Let's talk about it First off more of a cult or really more just to fucked up extended family than actually church has a 2013 the church he built. Now use the term church very loosely. Let's talk about it. First off, more of a cult, or really more of just a fucked up extended family
Starting point is 00:35:27 than an actual church has. In 2013, the church is only up to about 40 members. I believe about 70, 75 was the most it ever had. And most are just relatives of felt. Several US states have introduced laws, aimed at banning their protest, they hate them so much, even the KKKs announced them. That's when you know your terrible, and the KKK is like, nah, nah, nah, we're not associated with those white people.
Starting point is 00:35:50 And they are mostly white. They're not all white, but mostly. So we know that they're extremists. We know that they're a product of some wackadoodle Calvinist extremism, but how do they defend their aggressive hatefulness? Before we find out, quick word from today's sponsor, support. For today's show comes from American Addiction Centers.
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Starting point is 00:38:28 So contact the AAC if you have a real problem, addiction, no joke, hail Memoron. Okay. So back to these idiots. If you take a peek at the fact section of their website, you can find out that they address a lot of stuff. It's like the question, doesn't the Bible say God loves everyone? Here's our answer. First sentence, no, period. Do the question of, doesn't God live everyone? No.
Starting point is 00:38:52 You're probably thinking of John 316, which says no such thing. See the John 316, Arminian lie, laid bare. Well, I'm not going to your fucking stupid interpretation. John 316, by the way, says, for God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believed in him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son.
Starting point is 00:39:15 Oh, sorry, I just repeated there. Sorry, I put it down twice. So yeah, love is the important part of that. And because that particular verse does not fit their hate field agenda, they just dismiss it. They're just like, no, no, no, that wasn't supposed to be in there. The devil actually wrote that. He wrote that kind of weak ass, you know, gay stuff. Now, I supposed to say God hated the gays and the Jews and curse them to eternal persecution.
Starting point is 00:39:39 That's what we meant to say, okay? Open your eyes, read our website, read our interpretation. They go on, you see, Romans 9.13 says that God hated a cell and Psalm 5.5 says that God hates all workers of an equity. For example, this is their parenthetical homosexuals. Iniquity, by the way, means immoral or grossly unfair behavior. And why can't they use the word homosexual? Why the fucking constant f-bombs? Oh, that's right, because they're pieces of shit. I forgot for a second. They're hateful human fucking walking garbage cans Here are some other examples given these verses. How can you say God loves everyone?
Starting point is 00:40:13 Can you really say God loves everyone when God hates says I hated a cell? Oh, I don't know if I'm saying that right so I apologize E say a E essay whatever you get the point is what I'm going after does God love the people in hell? Or you are thinking of God as love God certainly is love towards his elect his children, but he certainly is not Loving towards the reprobate the children of the devil That's why his elect go to heaven the reprobate go to hell and Romans 913 which says as it is written Jacob Have I loved a South e South have hated. Jacob is representative of God's elect. Well, asao is representative of the reprobate and Romans one, the word reprobate is used to describe
Starting point is 00:40:52 and this is their language again, facts. Bags are reprobate, God hates reprobates. Therefore, God hates facts. Fuck, Jesus! They're so dedicated only to hate. Just to cause nothing but pain and misery, just spread only despair. They're so pathetic. They go on furthermore cause nothing but pain and misery, to spread only despair. They're so pathetic.
Starting point is 00:41:06 They go on furthermore. God specifically says that he abhors, they go all caps for abhor. He abhors people who engage in satan-me, as well as other forms of sexual perversion. If a man also lay lie with mankind as he lies, with the woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death, their blood upon them. And ye shall not walk in the manners of nation, which I cast out before you for they committed all these things. And therefore I abhorred them. That's Leviticus. 2013, 23. Understand?
Starting point is 00:41:34 God abhors. Right. That last part's written in all caps. Actually, actually written what they wrote is God abhors facts. It's so tired of fucking their language. I got to say, it really seems like Phelps was a closet homosexual. And there's other people who've left his congregation that do say the same thing. They said that like whenever he would be accused of that, like he would get so angry he'd just shut down
Starting point is 00:41:54 he couldn't even talk. I mean, he had such a fixation, so much emotion behind it. The shame of feeling a little tingle in his dangle. Every time a well-built man walked by, must have just driven him mad. You know, you see a strong jawline, some stubble high-tight button blue jeans, muscular forearms, little chest hair, little bare-tone voice, and suddenly his dick would defy his will and stand up begging to thrust itself into the full lips of some
Starting point is 00:42:21 Midwestern innocent farmhand. God will not allow its begon Satan, begon. And it would weep as he masturbated in the church study using his own tears as lubricant dreaming of the life he could have had if he would have just let go of his hate. Sorry, that seems probably painted a little too vividly for some of you. I hope some of you were listening to that via a speaker with the volume cranked up at work and you panicked and had to run over and turn it down. And then the WBC concludes a reasoning to embrace hate saying God's hatred is one of his holy attributes whereby he reveals himself is having a fixed and immutable determination to punish the finally the
Starting point is 00:42:59 impenient with internal tradition. God's hatred is not like man's hatred. His hatred is holy, pure unchanging. Well, man's hatred is a sinful, fickle emotion. I don't know, bro. Your example, God hates God's hate sounds just as ridiculous as yours. You seem to have made God in your image, not vice versa. With all the sins out there, why does the WC focus so heavy on homosexuality? Well, they have that answer on their, you know, on their thorough fact page. Answering the question, why do you focus on homosexuals? They say, homosexuality is due special attention by our ministry for several reasons. First, we want cock in our butts and we're frustrated. Now, that's, I added that.
Starting point is 00:43:39 First, Paul the Apostle, sometimes called the Lion of Christ, who spoke as he was moved by the Holy Spirit, gave the sin of homosexuality, special attention. It is important that you carefully read Romans 1, repeatedly. Okay, I'm not going to lay out all of Romans chapter 1. I think the part they focus on is verses 26 and 27. I think that'll do. That states, for this reason, God gave them over to degrading passions for their women exchange the natural function for that, which is unnatural. And in the same way, also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committed in decent acts and receiving in their own persons, the due penalty of their heir.
Starting point is 00:44:17 So I mean, that's what it says. All right. What it doesn't say is, so get these motherfuckers. Give them all the hate you've got. And look, the Bible does judge homosexuality. That's just, you know, okay, I'm not going to deny that. But it doesn't judge it as harshly. It's a lot of other things that no one talks about. These guys never talk about the other stuff that gets way more judgment like like check out Deuteronomy chapter five or I'm sorry, 25 verse 11. It says when two men are fighting
Starting point is 00:44:42 and the wife of one of them intervenes to drag her husband clear of his opponent If she puts out her hand and catches hold of the man by his privates, you must cut off her hand and show her no mercy Here with this says if a woman accidentally touches the guy's dick during a fight she gets her hand cut off Why aren't female sports referees being protested by the WC or WBC? Why aren't they just waiting on the sideline with a bunch of swords just wait for it wait wait till she touches it uh what about Deuteronomy uh chapter 23 verse one no man whose testicles have been crushed or whose organ has been cut off by or been cut off may become a member of the assembly of God why isn't the wc bc protesting churches that don't check the cock and ball condition of their congregation. Huh? Just nah, man. Sorry, bro.
Starting point is 00:45:27 I can't, I can't let you in here. Huh? Nah. You don't get salvation. You got a flat, wonky ball. God doesn't want your wonky ball in this house. What about Leviticus 2416? Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord must be put to death.
Starting point is 00:45:41 He doesn't say that earlier about the homosexuals. The whole community must stone him whether alien or native. If he utters the name, he must be put to death. He doesn't say that earlier about the homosexuals. The whole community must stone him whether alien or native. If he utters the name, he must be put to death. They say it twice. Why aren't they carrying a big bag of rocks? It's like a Sam Smith concert, you know, just start stone his audience when they sing along to that, nothing left for you song in that new one, you know, because I gave my heart to a god damn fool. That's not the melody, but that's what it says because they gave my heart to a guy damn fool. I mean, and as well easy, you know openly gay so they could be there, you know for the reason of the word and then you know They could also you don't kill two sins with one stone I think it's in my point. It's ridiculous to single out one verse and get all been out of shape about it
Starting point is 00:46:18 Go get all been out of shape about sin A when you never do shit about sins BC D&E But I digress what is their rationale self-explain for singling out homosexuality and they continue? It is clear that on the ladder of human depravity homosexuality is the bottom wrong. Oh, that's clear. Is it just to you and it's by the time a person reaches the state of hardcore, defiant, unrepentant, hot, steamy, orgasmic, thrusting, passionate, homosexual, indulgent, coming all over the place.
Starting point is 00:46:49 Life, I added a lot of those adjectives, lifestyle. God has washed his hands of that person. God does not hate them because they're homosexuals. Those, they are homosexuals because God hates them. That's what they say. They are homosexuals because God hates them. These are the biggest assholes ever. Ah, I keep telling myself just to read more of their answers
Starting point is 00:47:06 and to editorialize less, just to stop getting sidetracked, but they make me so angry. God hates fuck you, Westboro, Bassett, churchman. Okay, back into it. This is an important distinction referring to the God hates them. Further, throughout the Old Testament, when the nation of Israel was in its worst spiritual condition
Starting point is 00:47:21 in its full blown apostasy, the Bible makes a point of tellin' us thatotami was one of the chief traits of society. See first Kings 1424. Under the law of Moses, the penalty for homosexuality was death. Further, Sotami is the only sin which caused God to reign file from heaven on an entire five-city population. So we have a Bible basis for recognizing that homosexuality is particularly heinous sin in the eyes of God of eternity.
Starting point is 00:47:46 Second and perhaps in the immediate context, more important, this is the sin that is the forefront of our moral crisis in this nation. We did not start the homosexual movement. We did not put this movement on the front page of every major newspaper and every phase of the entertainment industry, every phase you guys. And in the schools, I know when I go to my kid's school. I do hear a lot of that They're like all right guys make sure everybody of the same sex makes out for a little while We got to get up a little bit today in the class before we start a lesson We are not the ones insisting that this awful behavior serve as the basis for special legal rights We are not the ones marching up and down the streets demanding that people accept and respect us for sins This is the only sin in which America is seriously contemplating giving civil rights.
Starting point is 00:48:28 Imagine if in bezelas, murderers, or rapists demanded that they be given protection, not punishment by law, because of their wrongful deeds, you would gasp in amazement. You, yet you embrace the notion that because someone engages in sex with the person of the same gender and then chooses to broadcast that fact they should be protected Amazing. This gender so insidious by its nature and those who commit such things so abominable in their nature that it serves as the litmus test for a society Right, mm-hmm. That's the litmus test. Not like hey, how are you guys treating your homeless population? How are you guys treating drug addiction? How you guys, you know, treating violence? It's a hey, how many dicks are going in butts in this country?
Starting point is 00:49:07 30% fuck okay Uh-uh Not uh not not moving in not moving in not being a part of it. They're ridiculous Why when God has turned his back on a people sat on my swold the land? America's on the cusp of that condition and only by an abundance of mercy will God forbear the other destruction of this country. That is why we focus on this issue in our ministry, this time and our journey in this earth. Third, similar conditions existed in Sodom. I feel like you already covered that too, which was destroyed by God. Jesus warned us what it would be like in the days of Lot just before he returns. We are in those days right now, and this abomination
Starting point is 00:49:43 of desolation should be preached against, not condoned. If you are a fag, you should be ashamed of yourself. If you support fags, you should be ashamed of yourself. It was your ill, who brought destruction on Sodom, and it will be your ill, who fuels God's wrath. There's a point that there will be no remedy. So you know, time suckers, be ashamed of yourselves. Be ashamed of yourselves. If you've been empathetic towards others, curious about what's right in the world? Well, fuck you time suckers. Mm-hmm. You're making the wrong call. You're getting your parent for damnation. Man, they really hate homosexuals. But check out this. This is how insane they are. Underneath that is the question, what if a homosexual attended your church? There's what they say after all that preposterous aggressive hate,
Starting point is 00:50:23 they say, regardless of any person's private conduct, we would do unto them as they would have, as we would have them do unto us. By a fear of God, we would declare the whole council of God to them, lest their blood should be on our hands. We would share the gospel, good news with them, and we would treat them like we would treat any person on this earth. We would treat them with kindness and follow the scriptural injunctions that require that
Starting point is 00:50:42 we preach the gospel to every creature. They're out of their minds. So you hate homosexuals to the point of picketing their funerals. You know, with the most heinous signs, you can possibly write. Yeah, you'd be like, hey man, get in here and have a cookie. Time for a time for church. Come on in here. Yeah, get in here. You know, Mark and Nathaniel, you cute couple. Get in here. We're going to talk to you about some stuff. You have some lemonade. Oh man, okay, so why focus on some sins but not others? Going back to my earlier example of them ignoring some sins,
Starting point is 00:51:11 but not having others, they do address this on their fact page. In response to what about following some rules and not others, here's what they say. They say the mosaic code consists of two types of laws, moral and ceremonial. Moral laws are included in the mosaic code because they are in and of themselves wrong. For example murder, adultery, human sacrifice,
Starting point is 00:51:31 saturday, etc. Ceremonial laws are included in the mosaic code because they were shadows of things to come. There were ceremonies that represented something, for example, not eating certain types of animals, not wearing clothing of mixed fibers. These ceremonial laws foreshadow Christ in certain other eternal concepts. These ceremonial laws were done away with when Christ came.
Starting point is 00:51:50 See Colossians chapter 2 verses 13 to 23. Okay, I did see that. I did see that. You son-to-bitches. And here's what it says in the NIV, the new international version of the Bible, it says, When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us. He has taken it away, nailing it into the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of
Starting point is 00:52:17 them, triumphant over them by cross, by the cross, excuse me. Therefore, do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink or with regard to a religious festival, a new moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come. The reality, however, is found in Christ. Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen. They are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, unsupported
Starting point is 00:52:50 and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow. Since you died with Christ with the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belong to the world, do you submit to its rules? Do not handle. Do not taste. Do not touch. These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish without with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings. Such regulations, indeed, have an appearance of wisdom with herself imposed worship, their false humility, and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence. Okay. So out with the old and with the new. Okay, I get it. I read that several
Starting point is 00:53:25 times, though, and I missed the part to said, except butt fucking. That's shit. So not cool. No, sir, stay vigilant on the back door, weaned front. That's shit. So no ghost still. But the WC continued with their nonsense, go ahead, justification, the moral loss, however, always have been and always will be in effect. We are supposed to follow the moral laws. The context of the verses in the mosaic code that forbid Sodom is important. Leviticus 18, see, look at this though. They go back. Okay, never.
Starting point is 00:53:53 Ah, the Vedic is 1822 says that that will shout not lie with mankind as this woman kind is an abomination. All right. The verse is part of a list of abominations that were done in Egypt and other nations for which the Lord spewed the people out. In other words, he punished other nations list of abominations that were done in Egypt and other nations, for which the Lord spewed the people out. In other words, he punished other nations for these abominations. This means that these abominable acts were not only forbidden to the ancient Jewish people but to all nations, whereas ceremonial laws and theosaic code not only applied to people
Starting point is 00:54:16 in the Jewish nation. Any nation that engages in these abominations will be destroyed. A paraphrase of context of Lidicus 1822, don't have sex with a menstruated woman, don't commit adultery, don't sacrifice your children, don't commit satamy, don't commit biciality. The question is, why are all these saying still abominable, except satamy? Why is satamy suddenly okay?
Starting point is 00:54:34 If you claim to believe the Bible, and you're at all logical, it makes no sense to say that satamy is okay. Again, I missed the memo on period sex being a real abomination right now. I understand it messes up your sheets, but I wouldn't go so far as to call an abomination. And I don't think anyone left to say, how as much about sex as you can tolerate, just stay away from the front door when it's got a red door mount out front. They just, they just bend everything to fit
Starting point is 00:54:58 their will. Leviticus 2013 says, if a man also lie with mankind as he lies with the woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. What's the context of this verse? To paraphrase, don't commit adultery. Don't have sex to your stepmother. Don't have sex to your daughter-in-law. Don't have sex to other men.
Starting point is 00:55:13 Don't have sex to your mother-in-law. Don't have sex to the animals. Once again, all of these verses condemn things that are morally wrong as opposed to ceremonially wrong. Makes no sense to suggest that all of these are still, except Sodomy. Finally, people asked this question to try and prove a point. And the point is the mosaic code contains lots of stuff. We don't follow anymore.
Starting point is 00:55:31 Why should we still follow the verse that forbids Sodomy? Well, for example, if it's okay to eat pork, why is it okay to eat meat? Sodomy. I believe I've answered this above, but I'd like to point out that the above statement makes as much sense as if it's okay to eat pork, why is it okay to murder?
Starting point is 00:55:43 So they go right to that murder place all the time. But there's other things that are in these rules that they point at like adultery, you're supposed to stone adulterers. So why don't they do that? They make their stupid signs and they harass the grieving family members of people, just totally decent soldiers and people
Starting point is 00:56:01 who are homosexuality do it. But they're not out stoning people for adultery. I mean, if you're gonna follow, you're, like, literally, but they don't do that. They never do that in these situations. They just, they focus on the one aspect of the thing that just drives them crazy and somehow think they're a good person by just, you know,
Starting point is 00:56:16 hitting that drum all the time. But I was wondering, like, why do they hate troops? How do they get there? That's, you know, they protest all these troop funerals. So they answer that. They say, they say, answering the question, why does the Westboro Baptist Church, hey, troops? They say, this is their words. These turkeys are not heroes. They are lazy and competent idiots looking for jobs because they're not qualified for honest work.
Starting point is 00:56:41 They were raised on a steady diet of factag Propaganda in the home on TV and church and school and mass media everywhere. The two pronged lie, one, it's okay to be gay, two, anyone saying otherwise like WBC is a hate monger who must be vilified, demonized, marginalized into silence. Therefore, with full knowledge of what they were doing, they voluntarily joined a faggin facet army to fight for a fagrun country now utterly and finally forsaken by god who himself is fighting against that country they turned america over the bags their coming home and body bags
Starting point is 00:57:16 their funerals are the form of choice for delivering wc's measure there so fucking preposterous ignorance i love that they believe got himself is fighting against the US. Well, he's not doing a very good job. Dow Jones did an all-time high while back. I mean, we're fucking crushing it right now on the international economic landscape. So you would think that an all-powerful God
Starting point is 00:57:38 could do a little more damage to the USA if he was really pissed at us. Straight from this asshole's website. I mean, holy shit, the more I read this stuff, I just wonder, how has no one killed any of them yet? Like, I truly, I'm like, they say the most inflammatory things, after reading this I Google, has anyone tried to kill anyone
Starting point is 00:57:53 from the Westboro Baptist Church? No murder attempts came up, which shocked me. A blip did come up from the Southern Poverty Law Center again, the call to WBC, arguably the most obnoxious and rabid hate group in America. And this is a group that studies all hate groups. And they're like, these guys are the worst, they're the worst one. again, the call to WBC arguably the most obnoxious and rabid hate group in America. And this is a group that studies all hate groups. And they're like, these guys are the worst.
Starting point is 00:58:08 They're the worst one. And again, if the Southern poverty lost and are mentioned them earlier, they sound familiar. That's because we talked about them in the time suck 50 in the Clue Clicks clan time suck. Talked about their formation. That group was founded by Morris D's who in 1931, if you'll recall, successfully sued United Clans of America, the KKK, says one is seven million dollar judgment for the mother of michael donald a young uh... black man lynched in alabama we talked about that upset payment of the judgment bankrupted them and resulted in his national headquarters being
Starting point is 00:58:37 sold to help satisfy that judgment so that's that's uh... if they're familiar and you can't remember that's why also uh... the wc bc flies the american flag upside down and they did that in protest of American general. That's what they say. They say an upside down flag is international sign for distress. This country as well as the rest of the world is in mortal danger. We're in distress. Our national support of perversities bringing God's wrath upon us again.
Starting point is 00:59:00 Dow Jones would say otherwise. September 11th was only the beginning. We have reached the point of no return. It's too late for this evil contract to repent. God's people must say themselves from this perverse generation. Well, for too late to repent, why do you guys protest, dumb shits? Oh, that's right, because you love to hate. You really do so much.
Starting point is 00:59:17 Let's dig into how much they love to hate on today's idiots of the internet. It is the internet. It is the internet. Alright, this entire episode has been one big idiot to the internet. I do realize that. The WBC. They're no strangers to the web. They have a big internet presence. Actually, a huge one.
Starting point is 00:59:37 They put out a lot of content, including a lot of YouTube videos, including song parodies. I'm not kidding. Like, so many. Like, if you're on their website, I'm not kidding like so many. I mean, if you're on their website, I think it's in the hundreds. Uh, this little parody and they do a lot of video swarm too. This little parody, there is a video of, it's of Michael Jackson's bad and it's called, uh, you know,
Starting point is 00:59:56 God is mad. Complete with choreographed, uh, thriller-like dance moves. So let's, let's listen to it. uh... thriller like dance moves so let's let's listen to it yeah i wish you guys could see this video there there they look exactly how you think how do you expect you live in a car your god is mad
Starting point is 01:00:24 but till you bring show your bill I can't live without you. You're God is mad. But until you run, I show your filth in broad daylight. Bill! We're telling you about how God feels. You won't obey. You're so self-willed.
Starting point is 01:00:38 Shut up. Come on. God's mad. Listen to us. Oh, what now mad listen to us. Oh what man listen to us He's giving you the chance to see His blessings on this whole country It's telling you just shut your mouth. That's what got things to do wrong. No, it's your sin
Starting point is 01:01:03 What's your about? He sees rabbit limits But you know that's so untrue You know what you'll say, what you're about. This is so like a... We see his rapid limits, but you know that's so fun, true. My friends, you ain't seen nothing. Just wait till I get through Because you're back, but man, come on, We've got his back, his back, You've got his back, you've got his back, You've sit so bad, I've been,
Starting point is 01:01:23 I've known it, we've been it In the whole world last answer to God Just tell you what to get God's man Is this what's done as a comparative? It would be, it would be The word out Don't do me draw my mind Christ will return
Starting point is 01:01:40 Just watch the sky Go right then, please Didn't tell the truth So listen now, you feel people Your words are wrong, your deeds are too Your heart's a stone, your body too You say you look the other way, you know that just not true My French is way too you see see This lamp when God is through
Starting point is 01:02:06 Because he's mad Come on He's a hateful guy To follow worship And come on Come on And your story is enough And the whole world has to rule
Starting point is 01:02:22 So tell you what to get God's mad, world's coming to an end I'll be the sunshine in your face If you don't like what I'm saying You can talk or do with faith You know we're bad, you know we're bad You know we're bad, you know we're bad You know we're bad, you know we're bad
Starting point is 01:02:40 You know we're bad, you know we're bad And the whole world has to answer them soon. Just to tell you what's again. God's mad. God's mad you guys. He's so mad. He's always angry. He's just up there in heaven, just walk around like,
Starting point is 01:02:55 fuck. Ah. Just so just a constant fury. That sounds right, doesn't it? User official CHZR post, this is an insult to anybody with an IQ, agreed. User trailblazer 65 post, how many inbreds can you fit into one basketball court?
Starting point is 01:03:13 Because they filmed this on a basketball court with their dance routine. And then this might just just crack me up, but it made me laugh so hard when I first saw it. User, the random replies underneath that with IDK. Like, I don't know. Pretty sure that was a rhetororical question the random, but I love how serious you took it You know how many in-breds can you fit into one back court? Ah, I don't I don't know Probably depends mostly on the size of the in-breds you're trying to stuff into a court
Starting point is 01:03:38 You know how they stand or they are they delaying or standing? Let me think let me current some numbers user uncle Milf posts Is it bad that I was singing this to my boyfriend love it love it thankfully this video has more thumbs down than thumbs up okay as far from the only parody video uh they also parodyed happy song happy they've parry they've parryed joy uh that song by for real let's let's check this out. Let's see how creative they are with this one. You think we're crazy because I want my shame? Terrible quality.
Starting point is 01:04:13 We say you're gonna have your game. A little tick with a beard. How like mine, actually. We can see in the world that I say the same. Mm-hmm. Stance on the side of the road What parish we have space The whole thing they're horrible signs while they're singing this happy. So God hates this, God hates that all the back of it.
Starting point is 01:05:02 Sadly the video is full of kids. Let's go. Hmm, okay. If you feel the longs give me a hard truth because we're happy Okay, okay, I think it can be I do on that one Yeah Okay, okay, all right, so I just again I don't understand what their lyrics there look like What why do you need to spread this message if it's all predetermined anyway? I mean if they're just no matter what, just going to go to health.
Starting point is 01:05:47 And again, why the harassment? All right, all right, one more. I know you get the point on these, but this one is just especially ridiculous. Actually, before we get to that one, a couple of comments under this last one. User Shinjuki posted, I played this, I played this at my coming out party, hilarious. Underneath that, user Duncan posted, this gave me the courage to come out as a transsexual. Underneath that, user Carpool posted,
Starting point is 01:06:11 Hail Satan. And then I posted, just like that, you know, caught up in all this, I posted. I hope every time this video gets a thumbs down, another kid finds the courage to come out of the closet. Keep making homophobia look as ridiculous as it truly is, Westboro. You're helping society realize why we have to move past people like you, backwoods,
Starting point is 01:06:30 bigots, with each and every video you make. Nice work, hail Nimrod. Okay, so the other parody I wanted to show just because it's so ridiculous. It's my favorite one in just entertainment value. They parodied Santa Claus is coming to town. And they renamed it Santa Claus will take you to hell. This is what these people are. So check this out.
Starting point is 01:06:54 You better watch out. Get ready to cry. You better go hide, I'm telling you why. Ready to cry. The stand up clause will take you to hell huh? He is your favorite idol Oh, it's my new worship and his feet
Starting point is 01:07:16 He worship them But when you stand before your God He will help you take the feet So get this back straight you're feeling not Santa's to blame for the economy space Oh That's fun for the kids Just like the free steel
Starting point is 01:07:45 wake them at night what? the 10th applause will take you to hell I'm the Santa Claus ever rape anybody you tell the children he is real you know that's just a lie to justify your own file since it's the only reason why. So get this back straight, you're feeling God's takes. Santa's you've learned for the best of your space. Santa Claus will take you. Oh Santa Claus will take you. Oh, Santa Claus will take you. Yeah, Santa Claus will take you to
Starting point is 01:08:29 hell. It looks so happy. It looks so happy. We'll take you to hell, yo. Oh, fuck. And the little kid. It's so gross. These poor kids raising this nonsense. Uh, dead. He's what Santa Claus is raping people? He's responsible for dead soldiers. Underneath this, Tina Weber posts, I'm at a whole new level of what the fuck. Yeah, me too. You use a real dude, 1-1-1 post. Can we get this in metal?
Starting point is 01:08:57 Which I love. My favorite is from Christian, the balloon scouts, who posts, if I'm going to hell, at least Santa will be there. Yeah, I wait to see the glass half full Christian. But the most ridiculous parody I found is the the West Westboro Baptist Church's Piny parody. Well, lookie here now. I got some pig. Takes his pig. I've already had like, oh, for my same sex partner beard. Well, lookie here now.
Starting point is 01:09:22 With God's wrath, I made a butt baby with a live partner, oh man. And then we were sent to hell. And that's where we found Santa Claus. And that's where we saw Fred Phelps. He was sucking Satan's dick. Woo, yeah! Weird right? To kind of take a strange twist there at the end.
Starting point is 01:09:38 But, kind of felt like they started to attack themselves there, but you know, whatever, that's their video. Okay, one more video. No song this time. I want you to hear this spring, but you know, whatever. That's their video. Okay, one more video. No song this time. I want you to hear this spring, this sprung, all this hate, the patriarch of pulpit-based loading himself, Fred Phelps. Here before he passed away, here's a little clip of Fred Phelps condemning Anderson Cooper. -♪ Think it's a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is a victory, this is the warm up music intro.
Starting point is 01:10:05 You see Fred Delbs in front of a green screen. Anderson Cooper, CNN, 360 degrees has now become an evangelist for Satan. Oh, bastardizing his position as a TV personality to spread pro gay propaganda in defiance of the plain language of the Bible which demands the death penalty under the law for practicing Sotomites to it thou shalt not lie with mankind as with woman kind. It is abomination. The Vedic is 1822. For the filth is sin of satan. God demanded the death penalty under the mosaic code.
Starting point is 01:10:56 To wit. If a man also lie with mankind as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They should surely be put to death. Okay. Okay. That's that's enough of Mr. Fred Phelps. Man, he really was just a broken record wasn't he? Never got tired of hitting that same note. Just hit it for decades. Like we get it. Leviticus. Death penalty. That's the only part of the Bible you care about. Okay, let's get out of this idiots at the internet and get back into, well, just, I mean,
Starting point is 01:11:30 kind of more idiots at the internet, I guess. I guess. I guess I'm the intro of that, intro of that, intro of that. So how did Fred Phelps get other people to join his hate cult? Well, for the most part, he fathered them. Dude had 13 kids, then most of them married and had numerous kids themselves. A lot of his kids had like over 10 kids each.
Starting point is 01:11:52 So he just, he seeded his own hate cult over the years. And then once you get that core group run in, as we've learned with our studies of other cults here on TimeSuck, then you can just kind of bring others in through relationships like marriage, find other people who are desperate enough for a family and ignorant enough. They're willing to join up with this group just because they want to be part of some group. You know, the kids, I feel the most sorry for, they're born into these families, you know,
Starting point is 01:12:14 just indoctrinated from an early age. They're like the worst victims of this, in my opinion. But there's a very interesting case of one of these kids who's done something amazing with her life, such an amazing, beautiful person. It's a case of one of the most many grandchildren and it's Megan Phelps-Roper. Her mom is actually basically the current leader of the church after Fred passed away.
Starting point is 01:12:36 She put on an amazing TED talk. I love TED talks and this may be my favorite one. It's just fucking beautiful. She talks about growing up, just surrounded by, just indoctrinated by hate, and then of leaving the church and of leaving her entire family behind to do the right thing with her life.
Starting point is 01:12:57 Listen to a little bit of Megan talking here, she starts her Ted talk. Applause I was a blue-eyed, chubby, cheeked, five-year-old, when I joined my family on the picket line for the first time. My mom made me leave my dolls in the minivan. I'd stand on a street corner in the heavy Kansas humidity, surrounded by a few dozen relatives, with my tiny fists clutching a sign that I couldn't read yet.
Starting point is 01:13:24 Gays are worthy of death. This was the beginning. Our protest soon became a daily occurrence and an international phenomenon. And as a member of Westboro Baptist Church, I became a fixture on picket lines across the country. The end of my anti-gay picketing career and life as I knew it came 20 years later,
Starting point is 01:13:43 triggered in part by strangers on Twitter, who showed me the power of engaging the other. In my home, life was framed as an epic spiritual battle between good and evil. The good was my church and its members, and the evil was everyone else. My church's antics were such that we were constantly at odds with the world, and that reinforced our otherness on a daily basis. Make a difference between the unclean and the clean, the verse says. And so we did. From baseball games to military funerals, we trekked across the country with neon protest signs in hand to tell others exactly how unclean
Starting point is 01:14:22 they were, and exactly why they were headed for damnation. This was the focus of our whole lives. This was the only way for me to do good in a world that sits in Satan's lap. And like the rest of my ten siblings, I believed what I was taught with all my heart and I pursued Westbro's agenda with a special sort of zeal. Wow, us versus them, man. Her and her nine siblings taught from birth that God hates almost everyone, but especially homosexuals. And because they're, you know, kind of crazy Calvinist
Starting point is 01:14:54 leaning again, they won't even try and to save anyone at these protests, she was at, you know. She just thought these people were destined to burn and hell and that for some reason, you know, they needed to hear about it from her. Again, that's what I said at a bunch, but that's what's so extra crazy about Westboro, you know, the other pointlessness of what they do. There's no repent now and seek salvation angle.
Starting point is 01:15:12 Only a hey buddy, you're going to burn and hell and I want you to hear about it from me angle. Listen to how hateful she was as a kid, how normal hate was to her. When she talks about meeting a Jewish man, she've been mocking on Twitter, one who came to one of her protests to meet her. And after several months of heated but friendly arguments online, he came out to see me at a picket in New Orleans. He brought me a Middle Eastern dessert from Jerusalem where he lives, and I brought him, kosher chocolate, and held a God hates juice sign. There was no confusion about our positions, but the line between friend
Starting point is 01:15:46 and foe was becoming blurred. We'd started to see each other as human beings, and it changed the way we spoke to one another. It took time, but eventually these conversations planted seeds of doubt in me. My friends on Twitter took the time to understand Westbro's doctrines, and in doing so, they were able to find inconsistencies I'd missed my entire life. Why did we advocate the death penalty for gays when Jesus said let he who was without sin cast the first stone? How could we claim to love our neighbor while at the same time praying for God to destroy them? The truth is that the care shown to me by these strangers on the internet was itself a contradiction. It was growing evidence that people on the other side were not the demons
Starting point is 01:16:31 I'd been led to believe. These realizations were life-altering. Once I saw that we were not the ultimate arbiters of divine truth, but flawed human beings, I couldn't pretend otherwise. I couldn't justify our actions, especially our cruel practice of protesting funerals and celebrating human tragedy. Wow, man. Okay, so after that, she leaves the church, leaves her family, meets various people, she'd formally protested against such as a rabbi who let her and some of her friends stay over at his house in California, with his family his family share some meals and she learns when she's around these people that these people she'd been taught to hate were just like her.
Starting point is 01:17:12 There's other meat sacks trying to make sense alive trying to make sense of the world around them not so different, not the enemy. And then this and many other similar experiences leads her to, you know, think about the state of our country a few years later today, you know, or, you know, think about the state of our country a few years later today. You know, or, you know, last year, but it hasn't changed. She gave this talk almost exactly a year ago in March 2017, several months after the election. And by that time, you know, we had already firmly settled into our current climate of liberals hating conservatives and conservatives hating liberals and everybody being in their camps and no one listening to the person in their site. and everybody being in their camps and no one listening to the person in their site.
Starting point is 01:17:49 Check out the amazing insight she gives about this and in what great experience she has learning about how destructive hating and not talking to the other side, how destructive that can be. I fucking love this. Listen to how profound this is. This has been at the front of my mind lately because I can't help but see in our public discourse so many of the same destructive impulses that ruled my former church We celebrate tolerance and diversity more than at any other time in memory and still we grow more and more divided We want good things Justice equality freedom dignity prosperity, but the path we've chosen looks so much like the one I walked away from four years ago We've broken the world into us and then only emerging from our bunkers long enough to
Starting point is 01:18:31 lob rhetorical grenades at the other camp. We write off half the country as out of touch liberal elites or racist misogynist bullies. No nuance, no complexity, no humanity. Even when someone does call for empathy and understanding for the other side, no police, no nuance, no complexity, no humanity. Even when someone does call for empathy and understanding for the other side, the conversation nearly always devolves into a debate about who deserves more empathy. And just as I learned to do, we routinely refuse to acknowledge the flaws in our positions or the merits in our opponents. Compromise is anathema.
Starting point is 01:19:04 We even target people on our own side when they dare to question the party line. This path has brought us cool, sniping, deepening polarization, and even outbreaks of violence. I remember this path. It will not take us where we want to go. Wow, how relevant, How relevant to our current cultural climate. How important to remember that slander in the other side doesn't get us anywhere. Outside of preposterous, hate-mongering extremists like Fred Phelps, we're not so different usually than the people we think are so different than we are. I can have a good time with the conservative Christian as long as they don't mind a
Starting point is 01:19:44 little bit of profanity. Most don't, most don't mind. I can hang out and have a good time with, you know, Gays can be fuckbomb dropping, you know, flamboyant hairdresser. You know, I can talk with a pro gun, control vegan, and a pro gun steak lover, and, and hug it out both of them and do hug it out. A lot of the shows lately. And I just think that's important to remember, man. I remember my dad many years ago bringing him out to New York for the first time. He had never been east to the Mississippi. I know I've said this before, but he was just blown away. I have a nice people were because he just, he had never met like any real New Yorkers. And he just, you know, he got his impressions from like movies, basically. He was like,
Starting point is 01:20:20 hey, go fuck yourself. Like he thought I was going to be that kind of attitude. And he was like, oh, they're just normal. And that's generally how it is. When you travel to a new place and you have all these preconceived expectations of how they're gonna be, and then you get there and you're like, oh, they're not so bad. Other than the Westboro Baptist Church current members,
Starting point is 01:20:35 they seem to be just as bad as they are. But even they, as you know, even they can get out of that. Even they can change if you talk to them, instead of just mock them like I've been doing here. So just really good lesson, you know, even Megan was able to get out of that, even they can change if you talk to them instead of just mock them like I've been doing here. So just really good lesson, even Megan was able to get out of that. So this episode was strangely inspiring by the end. In strange ways, Megan's speech obviously inspiring, but also the Westboro Baptist Church itself is inspiring in the sense that their website is super comprehensive, their content
Starting point is 01:21:01 is vast, their commitments to their cause is impressive, they're organized, well-funded, passionate, and they're spread of their beliefs. Just so happens their beliefs are terrible, but they've re-inspired me to double down on the suck, man. If they can work that hard on spreading fear, ignorance, and hate, why can't we work? You know, equally hard on spreading the gospel curiosity. Gospel of constant intellectual evolution,
Starting point is 01:21:20 gospel of a community built on not being afraid of differences, a community built on goofy fucking fun in a a reverence on a passion for living a fun and knowledgeable life So hail Nimrod you beautiful bastards. Thanks for keeping hope alive Thanks for being from all walks of life Thanks for not all being liberal or conservative or atheist or religious or young or old like the mix Can't wait to get the app souped up, you know, and then in coming months with that cool message board Where you guys can really start connecting to each other more, not have to go through me. I know many of you are already doing that in various places on social media in the web, and I love it.
Starting point is 01:21:52 And it was some positivity. Did not see that coming when I started this suck. And now let's take a few more looks back at the hate with some top five takeaways. Time suck, tough five takeaways. Number one, the website of the Westboro Baptist Church is God hates fags.com. Unreal. Number two, Bob Jones University sounds like the least fun college campus in America. I've been watching R-rated movies since I was five. Latchkey Kid, motherfucker.
Starting point is 01:22:19 The fuck Bob Jones University, trying to tell kids they can't have fo-hawks. That's not what God wants. Get out of here. Number three, Fred Phelps looks exactly, or I should say looked exactly as hateful as he sounded. Google image that piece of shit. If you're gonna make a Westboro Baptist Church movie and you wanted to cast somebody,
Starting point is 01:22:36 you'd wanna cast somebody who looked exactly like him to play him and it would be hard to do because he looked way more hateful than the average hateful fuck. Number four, Megan Phelps-Roper is an angel. Her TED Talk is amazing and inspiring. Be yourself a favorite, watch the whole thing. I mean, I hope we get to meet her someday.
Starting point is 01:22:52 She just seems incredible. Number five, new info. Before he died, Fred Phelps was actually banned from entry in the UK. Back in March 19, 2006, he was named by Britain's home security or home secretary, Jackie Smith, as a hate promoter, along with his daughter and 14 others. When a list of people barred from entering the UK, it was published on May 5, 2009, a list of people banned over the years.
Starting point is 01:23:14 A lair is to find who else was on the list. Il Ron Hubbard, father of Scientology, time suck bonus episode four, he's on there. Was a Britain's minister of health can't it's Robinson described a Scientology in the House of Commons speech in 1968 as a potential menace to the personality and well-being of those so diluted as to become its followers. Get out, Elrond. Most unexpected person on the list I saw was Martha Stewart. 2004 celebrity homemaker Martha Stewart who's convicted of lying about selling stock that
Starting point is 01:23:44 plunged in price soon after her trade, served five months in prison, followed by five months of home detention, and she was banned. The UK border and immigration agency released a statement, according to the independent newspaper, saying the government continues to oppose entry for those who have found guilty of serious criminal fences abroad. Love at UK, out with Westbro, out with Martha Stewart. Check them out. Time to suck tough, right takeaway.
Starting point is 01:24:12 So Westbro sucked. Man, played with the format a bit on that one, was a fun break from the norm. Love the touch of inspiration at the end. Much, much, much respect, Megan Phelps-Roper. Got your special person, your gift. Thanks to Harmony velocamp Jesse Dobner, Lindsey Cummins, Josh Crel, the entire time suck a team. Huge thanks to Bojangles research intern long time sucker Maddie teeter and actually yeah my wife Lindsey, Lindsey Cummins helped a lot with the research on this one. So thank you. Thank you double
Starting point is 01:24:39 Thank you. Next Monday, is it gonna be the green River Killer or the Lost Books of the Bible? A few hours left for space lizard voting, Green River is just up as I record this, just barely, by a couple votes. So who knows the topics neck and neck? Guess we'll, I guess if you want to find out, when this comes out, you know, which topic will be next, go to Time Suck podcast on Instagram, which I'll be posting the results there. And now let's find out what you suckers have been up to with this week's time sucker updates. Updates, get your time sucker updates.
Starting point is 01:25:15 First one in from Alex Byrum, hilarious time suckers who wrote, dear Dan, I recently discovered time suck about a month ago and almost caught up on the backlog. I however was overjoyed when you were advertising a wrestling academy coupon I attended the first session of mr. Mr. Chikotilo school he gave me a few lessons and I embarrassed myself as I found out after the first week that I can only come When being held down forcefully Despite this mr. Chikotilo was notilo was nice enough to continue teaching me as he pretended not to notice. He truly is a blessing. Keep up the good work, Dan. Love every second
Starting point is 01:25:49 of time. So I hate him. Thank you. And thank you, Alex. And if you, if you didn't know, in the time suck app, you can, you can beat Chiquitilo now. It's one of the avatars. It's fucked up, but why not? So Chiquitilo is on the time suck app. And I'm sure he'll show up, you know, by this summer on some fun Time Suck stuff. It's still creepy but so fun. Okay, next one is in from a Time Sucker, a fantastic human being, Brandon Levelle, who writes, I've been listening Time Suck now for the past six months, at least, and for whatever reason, my mind is stuck on your obnoxious booty and juju bits. Put it in your lunch back, Shirley, but whatever. I love your podcast,
Starting point is 01:26:26 including the people that write in with their opinions, making me realize and believe in the fact that even in this climate of differences, people are still capable of having a conversation and getting along. I love it, me too. I'm in the Coast Guard, work over two and a half hours from home damn.
Starting point is 01:26:39 So along with the sense of togetherness that your show provides, it also saved me from the sheer boredom of my four AM drive out to the Washington coast. By the way, I heard how you referred to us in your JFK episode. I did apologize for that afterwards, by the way, and later episodes about my Coast Guard comment. I got reamed a little bit for that one. But you, but you, but he says, you're exactly right. We just lay on the beach all dates. It's actually quite reminiscent of the volleyball scene and top gun. Of course, if you've ever been any part of the Pacific
Starting point is 01:27:03 Northwest coastline, which I have, you know I'm full of shit. I do. I do. And thank you for your service. And he says, anyways, thanks for the good times. Keep in common. Oh, thank you. Thank you, Brandon. I appreciate your service. I appreciate your life and the suck. And now we got space loads or Tyler G writing in saying to the Almighty Suck master, been a fan of your standup for a little while now, just found the time suck podcast this week. Loving it. Spend hours driving to the southeast for work. I'm a blasting tech. Got a job consisting of designing loading and detonating blasts for rock hoist.
Starting point is 01:27:32 Oh, that sounds fun, man. I wish I could get my fucking grenade launcher over there to help you out. Construction sites, roadways. It's for sure a high stress job, but I love the work. Listing to the podcast helps make the time fly by during my long drives. Helps keep me, helps me unwind after long stressful work days. Keep up the great work. PS, I just finished the episode 33 on digital immortality.
Starting point is 01:27:50 You mentioned the Netflix show Black Mirror, which I haven't seen, but Netflix also has a TV show called Altered Carbon, which is based on a future full of digital immortality. Thank you for the entertainment from a fan and future space lizard Tyler G. I glad you brought that up. You got to see Black Mirror. You will love it let you brought that up. You gotta see black mirror. You will love it. You will love it.
Starting point is 01:28:07 You will love it, especially between altered carbon. I have been so busy the last two weeks. I've only been able to see any TV show, but when I have moments, that is the only one I've been watching. It's altered carbon. I personally don't think it's as good as black mirror,
Starting point is 01:28:18 but I think it's very good. And I just love the concept of basically, for those of you guys haven't seen it, you get a disk and your spine, like one of your spinal column disks in between some of your vertebrae is a hard drive. It's a very comprehensive hard drive and that's where your soul exists basically.
Starting point is 01:28:31 And so when your body dies, you just get put in a new body. They can just make them, you get a new meat sack. And it's about some people thinking that's great and other people thinking that we should revert back to having a normal lifespan. Yeah, very interesting. Okay, and last one really quick, this is from Sebastian Adams,
Starting point is 01:28:49 Timesucker who says, hey, Dan, most Satanists are just atheists who use the image of Satan as a way to fight for religious freedom. Lusperians are true Satan worshipers. And I know, yeah, I know you're talking about that from the Richard Ramirez episode. I get this every time I bring up Satanists where it's like, actually, you know, Satanists for this agreed. Agreed. There is a, you know, organized religion, but also I when you use that term there are people like Richard Ramirez and I soccer who just worship the Christian devil who just worship evil so that's why you know there's no other you are a different kind of Satanic, but it is that it is. It's the term. So that's why I used it.
Starting point is 01:29:26 And thank you. Thank you for writing in, so other people know Sebastian. Appreciate that. Appreciate the update updates from all of you. Next time, suckers, I need a net. We all did. Have a great week, everybody. Come see me if you're in Texas this weekend.
Starting point is 01:29:43 Don't protest anyone's funeral unless uh... they were a member of the west bro back to church when they died and keep up uh... sucking Oh!

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