Timesuck with Dan Cummins - 87 - The "Real" Men in Black

Episode Date: May 14, 2018

Cold Open: The Men in Black. The men who inspired the movies, not Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones. Who or what are they? Aliens? Extra top secret government officials specializing in suppressing UFO-related information? Modern folklore? Absolute and utter whackadoodle, crystal-powered horse shit? All of this and more explored on a Suck that veers a little less dark than recent episodes and maybe a little more fun. Let’s get paranormal! Let’s try to explain the unexplainable! Let’s get weird, today, on Timesuck. Wanna check out Theo Von's fantastic This Past Weekend podcast? Click HERE Timesuck is also brought to you by Hunch.ly! Web research made easy! Get 15% off on your Hunchly purchase by heading to hunch.ly and using the coupon code: timesuck. Merch - https://badmagicmerch.com/ Want to try out Discord!?! https://discord.gg/tqzH89v Want to join the Cult of the Curious private Facebook Group? Go directly to Facebook and search for "Cult of the Curious" in order to locate whatever current page hasn't been put in FB Jail :) For all merch related questions: https://badmagicmerch.com/pages/contact Raven Meindel's insane dream reading site: http://dreamreadings.webs.com/ Please rate and subscribe on iTunes and elsewhere and follow the suck on social media!! @timesuckpodcast on IG, @timesuckpodcast on Twitter, and www.facebook.com/timesuckpodcast Wanna be a Space Lizard"? We're over 2,200 strong! Go here: https://www.patreon.com/timesuckpodcast Sign up through Patreon and for $5 a month you get to listen to the Secret Suck, which will drop Thursdays at Noon, PST. You'll also get 20% off of all regular Timesuck merch PLUS access to exclusive Space Lizard merch. You get to vote on two Monday topics each month via the app. And you get the download link for my new comedy album, Feel the Heat. Check the Patreon posts to find out how to download the new album and take advantage of other benefits. And, thank you for supporting the show by doing your Amazon shopping after clicking on my Amazon link at www.timesuckpodcast.com

The men in black, the men who inspired the movies, not Will Smith and Tom Haley Jones. Who are what are they? And again, not Will Smith and Tom Haley Jones. Are they aliens? Extra top secret, government official, specializing in suppressing UFO related information, modern folklore, absolute and utter, wackadoodle, crystal powered horse shit. Gonna look into all the possibilities today There have been reports for decades regarding strange men interrogating or even threatening the witnesses of alien encounters

Generally they appear as men in dark suits Look human, but often aren't thought to be human. There's something not quite right about their appearance They they look like something trying to look human, but not quite pulling it off. Their skin, maybe little too pale, lips, little too red, their speech, human-ish, but not altogether human, their mannerisms, odd, strange question here, Gary Bucy-like cackle there. Who could they be? When did they first show up?

What do they want? All of this and more explored on a suck that veers a little less dark than recent episodes and maybe a little more fun. Let's get paranormal. Let's try to explain the unexplainable. Let's get weird today on TimeSuck. Happy Monday Time Suckers for real this time. I said happy Monday on Friday's bonus episode last week, like a silly asshole that I sometimes am. Damn it.

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Alright, enough self-promotion. Let's dig into the weird stacked on more weird that is the mythology of the men in black. 1947. That's when all the men in black shit started going down. That's an agi-at wave of UFO sightings kicked off in general in America. It's been a minute now, but we talked about this at length way back in bonus episode two, just the second bonus episode, only a little over a year ago in February 2017. It feels like a lifetime ago. And we stated in that episode, there have been reported sightings of UFOs going back to

the dawn of human civilization. But in 1947, the volume of sightings increased dramatically in the United States. And suddenly, they became a little more consistent in their descriptions. It was flying saucers now. Everyone seen flying saucers. Kenneth Arnold, that's where it began. You follow just, know that name well. Ken was an American amateur pilot who claimed he saw nine crescent shaped objects in the sky

on June 24th, 1947, while flying near Mount Rainier in Washington State. This was the first publicized American UFO sighting that really got some traction with the mainstream media, and this is a sighting that coined the term flying saucer. When a local newspaper misquoted Kenneth describing the way the objects flew as being like saucers, skipping on water, he saw, so he said flying saucers, and then it stuck. Kenneth's story kicked off nationwide interest in UFOs. Suddenly, a Kansas carpenter, he's claiming he sees nine discs a couple days later, pilot noctal homo sees nine discs a couple days later pilot noctal homuses nine discs

Like that's following week as well Also that you're the Roswell incident occurs the most famous UFO incident in US history The Roswell incident happened a week later on the evening of July 2nd 1947 When several witnesses in and near Roswell, New Mexico AKA America's butthole for you die hard time suck listeners. Observed a disshaped object moving swiftly in a north, westernly direction through the sky.

The following morning, Mac Brasile, a form of a local ranch with a badass fucking ranch name. Of course, he's the form of a local ranch. He's he's fucking Mac Brasile, right? He's not, he's not Willard, Mick Skippy. Now he's Mac Brasel, right? He's not, he's not Willard McSkippy. Now he's Mac Brasel. And he wrote down a horseback to move sheet from one field to another.

Company in him was a young neighbor boy, Timothy D. Proctor. And as they wrote, they came upon strange to breathe various size chunks of metallic material to all appearances, some kind of aircraft that exploded. Brasel claimed that he picked up some of the pieces. He had never seen anything like them. They were extremely light, very tough. The material included tin foil, rubber strips, and sticks. You know, the stuff you build alien shuttles out of.

The following month, he took the items to the Roswell Sheriff, who in turn contacted the Roswell Army airfield. After collecting the wreckage, the RAAF issued an extraordinary press release that stated that a flying disc could be retrieved from a local ranch. The Roswell daily record immediately picked up the press release. On July 8th, the story was printed with the headline, RAAF captures flying saucer on ranch in Roswell region and then national UFO hysteria is kicked off when other papers also carry that headline in story almost immediately

The military announces a retraction announced that the saucer had actually been a weather balloon carrying a radar target device somewhat like a like a box kite So it looks like made a foiled paper fast into ball so it would frame again We talked about all this in that bonus episode, too And then the then the world has really been debating What happened ever since was it just a weather balloon or was it, you know, a flying saucer? The government was covering up, you know, we're a couple actual extra trestials also found.

That's a big part of that mystery. Were they taken to area 51 in Nevada? Have other extra trestials also been taken to area 51? Are there a shit ton of aliens at area 51? Are the real Pudi and Juju aliens? Are there any 51? Are the real Poodie and Juju being held hostage? Are there 51? Put in your lunchbox, Shirley. Put one of my lunchbox, Poodie.

The aliens, Juju. The aliens. Put them on your lunchbox and head in sector 7. I have to go back and grab Weeble. I'll meet you there. No, Poodie. It's too late for Weeble. I have to grab him.

They'll kill him. They'll kill Weeble. They'll kill you, Poodie. Don't you die on me. Don't you don't me, Pudy? Oh, what just happened? Why would Pudy and Jujube held it airy 51? Who the hell is weevil? Did I have a minor stroke? Also 1947 the men in black make their first reported appearance when a water log

Excuse me water log retriever. It's going to make sense in a little bit. Named Harold Dahl claims to have been visited by a man in a dark suit who promises to harm him if he to close his society of unidentified flying objects around to Kama, Washington. The day before Kenneth Arnold supposedly saw those nine discs and what would become known and you followed he lore as the Mori Island mystery or the Mori Island incident. And with this mysterious incident, we kick off today's Time Suck timeline. Shrap on those boot soldier, we're marching down a time suck timeline. June 21, 1947. A man named Harold Doll was on his patrol boat in the Puget Sound, with two other men. His son named Christopher in some accounts, named Charles and others

and their dog. Harold collected logs floating around in the sound and resolded them to local lumber mills. What you got to say sounds sounds like an odd way to make a living. Wait, wait, what do you do? I get river logs. I bring them to the mills. Oh, so you're a, you're a logger. No, I'm a, I'm a water log finder. I find water logs.

Mm-hmm. How many logs are in the water? Is there enough logs to make a living? Rick and sometimes is enough. Sometimes you find logs. Sometimes logs find you. Mm-hmm. What?

Life is like a river of logs. Huh? Sometimes I pretend that the logs are uncut surfboards. Call myself a log rider. Mm-hmm. Come again. Touch it. Touch my river log.

Put your lips on it. Mm-hmm. What? No. Anyway, I'm doing the afternoon. Dolls boat approaches the east shore of Mori Island. Mori Island is now attached to the Sean Island by Causeway Road. It's about six miles west of Des Moines, Washington.

And if that sounds familiar, it's because Des Moines popped up and last Monday's Gary Ridgeway Green River killer suck. We're back in that clean, weaned bedwaters, stomping grounds. Doll would claim that he looked in the sky, saw six objects floating about 2,000 feet above his ship. The objects were made of some reflective metal, doughnut shaped, about 100 feet in diameter. The center holes were about 25 feet in diameter. Man, floating doughnuts, that sounds fun. Doll said he also sounded round port holes. And what he thought was an observation window. Five of the craft circled over the six,

which dropped slowly and seemed to be malfunctioning. It was tipping at precarious angles, it was shuttering. Then it stopped, however, about 500 feet above the water. Dahl put the shore because he was afraid the center air craft was going to crash into his boat. Once the shore, Dahl took several pictures with his camera, the lower ship stayed in position for about five minutes

With the other still circling above One of the ships left the formation moved down touching the lower ships the two kept contact for several minutes And Dull said he heard a thud and suddenly thousands of pieces of what he thought were newspapers dropped from inside of the center ship Most of the debris landed in the bay some hit the beach D. They'll recover a few pieces, finding it was a white, lightweight metal. Along with the white metal, the ship dropped about 20 tons of dark metal, which he said looked like lava rock. When the lava rock hit the water, it was so hot that steam erupted. They took cover after several pieces landed on his boat, damaging it.

Some debris hit his son in the arm, either burning his son or breaking his arm or both. Depending on which account of the story you read. And another piece allegedly killed his dog. So too bad he didn't have bow jangles. Bow jangles would have sidestep that alien lava bullshit jumped into the spaceship, chewed on a couple little green men until they apologized for burning Christopher Charles.

After that rain of metal, the craft rose into the air, headed west out to the sea. And Dol went into his boat, tried to radio for help, the radio didn't work. I can aliens messing up the signal, doing their alien, you know, messing things up, kind of stuff.

He sailed back towards the dock, dropped the dog over the side as a burial at sea. Seems very suspicious to me. Your dog is killed by an alien. Like should we bring the dog back out to show everybody and have an autopsy to confirm what kind of weird stuff killed the dog? No, no, no, no, just throw it in the ocean.

Throw it in the ocean. Donald took a son to the hospital for treatment told his boss Fred Christmas when it happened and then supposedly all four men on the boat told their story to police and supposedly their story was consistent. However, good luck finding a police officer or a police record that verifies any of this.

Good luck even finding the names of the other two crewmen on board with doll and his son. And then Chris Men, Dolls Boss or friend or even one of the dudes on the boat, depending on which account of the story you read, can't the story. It seems to drift around a bit. Apparently has the prints developed

and the prints show these strange airships. However, the negatives have spots on them. It's made some things that's damaged by exposure to some kind of radiation. Christmast then gather some rock samples. They, you know, and said that while he was gathering the rocks, one of the airships appears overhead as if it was watching him.

And then, doll told investigators next morning, man wearing a black suit visits him. Here we go. Man in black shows up. One of those bastards and the man in black suggested we go to breakfast together.

Huh? Okay. That doesn't, gotta say that it doesn't seem too bad actually. Doesn't seem very menacing. So I'm doing shows up. I want you to take you to a free breakfast. You know, I don't know. And usually I don't advocate going somewhere

with a stranger, but early in the morning I might go grab couple free daytime pancakes, couple waffles, maybe something like that, you know, with some fruitcake. Dolls that he drove his own car, following the stranger's new black buick to a local restaurant. While they ate, the stranger asked no questions, instead he gave a detailed account of what Dal had already seen. Interesting. The man in black warned Dal that bad things would happen at all and do his family if he told anyone about dancing. Damn that damn it. That's where the man is comes in. Some of the bitch had to ruin a perfectly good breakfast. With the old bad things

are going to happen to your family if you talk mumbo jumbo Well, despite the threat, doll and Christmas supposedly send a package of some debris to Ray Palmer aka Adam DC universe superhero originally a physics professor working at ivy university He develops equipment to shrink himself to subatomic levels using white dwarf star material No, that's a different Ray Palmer. No, they send the package to amazing stories publisher Raymond A. Palmer, amazing stories with a science fiction magazine, continuously published from 1926 until the 1990s. It was published on and off and different carnations until 2014 and it was ridiculed off and on for presenting obvious fiction as fact.

Palmer would later begin publishing FATE magazine in 1948, which would be built as the world's leading magazine of the paranormal. That magazine is still in publication, and it's a inaugural edition featured a cover story about Kenneth Arnold's 1947 Mount Rainier UFO encounter. Over the years, FATE magazine has also covered other suck topics like the Bermuda Triangle, Lost City of Atlantis and the Amityville Horror Story. Well, the package

they sent was said to contain a box of metal fragments, statements about the strange happenings on the 21st and 22nd July, and a few weeks later, Palmer contacted Kenneth Arnold, right? His name keeps coming up here. Again, that's that dude who saw the flying saucers Mount Rainier. And because that guy had recently begun investigating uofos and then Arnold arrived into coma and late july with airline pilot e.j. smith the two of them two of them meet with all in christmas examin dolls boat and conduct some interviews

uh... doll and christmas uh... do not produce the pictures however doll uh... also told Arnold that his son had disappeared how convenient doll would later say that his son was found waiting tables in Montana, but he just couldn't remember how he got there. Those damn men in black, they got a whole to pour Christopher Charles,

raises memory with their little men in black tool, send him off to wait tables in Montana, how convenient, I mean terrible. Then after being contacted by Kenneth Arnold on the afternoon of July 31st, Captain Lee Davidson and first Lieutenant Frank Brown of the U.S. Army Air Force fly to Tacoma from Hamilton Field in California to investigate this matter. Now this part, as far as fetched as it may sound, definitely seems to be true because the

U.S. government did really begin to investigate UFO sightings. They did start Project Sign in 1948, project grudge in 1949, and project blue book in 1952. All stuff covered in detail in that bonus suck, and all stuff that was declassified years later. There were projects run by the Air Force with an unknown amount of CIA oversight as well, or these were projects, I'm sorry, those were run by the CIA. and then nineteen forty seven uh... you know that so i'm sorry in nineteen forty seven there was governmental interest

so that part does to me sound legit in addition to being pilots these two men were intelligent specialists uh... they met with Arnold doll and christmas for several hours supposedly took a box of debris the men had gathered from the site and then the officers left at night this is also able to be verified they were uh... in a hurry uh get to Hamilton Field in August 1. Because the first, the Air Force was going to have a ceremony

in honor of it splitting from the army into its own brand new military branch. The two officers fly out of a cord air for airfield around two o'clock in the morning on a B25 bomber with a crew of two other men, apparently the plane had recently passed inspection, and then about 20 minutes later after takeoff, the airplane crashes into the remote wilderness outside of Kelso, Washington. The two enlisted men managed to parachute to safety. David

Sinan Brown were killed, making then the newly formed air forces first casualties and done, done, done, coincidence, or did those men in black have their alien buddies shoot them out of the sky. Well the local newspapers and FBI supposedly received phone calls stating that the plane was shut down to cover up the information brown and David said it found because of the loss of life the Air Force broadens investigation FBI launched their own. The Air Force investigators determined that the crash had been in terrible accident. I don't believe those calls about it being shot down.

One of the engines caught fire and the men began bailing out before Brown and Davidson could jump out. A wing broke and struck the tail section, which also broke off, the plane went into a spin trapping those men inside. Another Air Force investigator spoke with Dolan Christman and visited their boat. He stated that the damage he saw did not match the damage the two sailors described. There were no piles of metal on Mordy Island and the existing samples looked like slag from a metal smelter, and they didn't produce the film of their supposed pictures.

His conclusion matched that of the FBI investigator that Dahl and Christmas had faked the incident to gain publicity for a magazine article. The FBI warned Dal and Christmast that their hoax had not succeeded, and then if they dropped the matter, the government would not prosecute the two men for fraud, which had indirectly resulted in the deaths of two officers. And first, Dal and Christmast went along with this, and made statements that the story was fake. They refused to give interviews on the matter, but then a few years later, in the January 1950 issue of fate magazine, Christmast stated that the incident did happen. And Kenneth

Arnold included the Morrie Island incident in his 1952 book, The Coming of the Saucers. Today, most people do believe that Christman and Doll fake the incident. Perpetuating a hoax that got out of control, again, because no damage to the Doll's boat can be found. The sun didn't show any signs of injuries. There's no evidence that a dog even existed, and it was half family. The fragments of the saucer that reported, you know, recovered were traced back to a nearby copper smelter.

So you know, couple of little holes in their otherwise airtight story. The mysterious men in black could have easily been investigators calling the whole thing a hoax and warning Christmas and doll about retelling their story, warning them to face fraud charges. To make the story even weirder and less credible, Christmas would later be questioned about him being one of the men on the grassy

knoll. For other stuff he had stated, after JFK's assassination, also prior to this incident, Christmas had written into amazing stories, claiming that he battled mysterious and evil underground creatures to free himself from a cave in Burma during World War II. So you know, maybe not the most credible source.

Solid reputation of truth telling other than a lot of talk about ended up in a Burmese cave in World War II, somehow not with other soldiers, somehow got separated from his group. And then he had to battle evil monsters that no one else ever saw to get out of this cave. Other than that, other than that one little thing, he seems like a straight shooter. Later, Chris would also reinvent himself as Dr. John Gold, an ultra right wing talk show host at K-A-Y-E radio that aired in Tacoma from the late 60s into the early 70s.

And there's an article I found about that in this guy, former Tacoma mayor and president of the Tacoma Historical Society, Bill Barsma. He spoke of Christmas style of radio commentary in a recent interview about this more Alan mystery and he said, we refer to it as radio hate. Everything was fake news. It promoted conspiracy theories about local government and secret deals that were based on secret sources and tips

rather than facts and logic. Oh, how much of that is out there now? Sounds like you may have had a big influence on Alex Jones. This kind of guy being involved in this tale for me makes it read as utter and complete wackadoodle nonsense. Despite Christmas, super shady reputation. Some believe that the US government was behind the conspiracy regarding the Mordia Island siding that may have involved anything from UFOs to dumping nuclear waste in Puget Sound.

They believe a shadow government agency, of course, they do, or UFO sabotage the B-25 bomber in order to eliminate the investigators and blame, doll and crispin. Some investigators recently visited the crash site hoping to find some of those strange rocks to prove things one way or the other, so far nothing has been found because similar to the yokai island mystery, nothing is there. So while they weren't yet being called the men in black, the first published tale of men in black type dudes appeared in that January 1950 issue of Fate magazine.

You know, supposedly first happened 1947. And then the Mori Island tale would be told again in Kenneth Arnold's 1952 book as I said the coming of the saucers, which if it were only made into a film, would then for sure be made into a porn parody called The Coming of the Bulls. But that doesn't have anything to do with today's story. We're only made into a film, with then for sure, we made into a porn parody called The Coming of the Bulls. But that doesn't have anything to do with today's story. Just like in that Fate magazine issue, the threatening breakfast buyer wasn't referred to

as a man in black or anything. So, you know, new tales of encounters with these type of guys didn't quite take off yet. It wasn't really lore about the men in black yet, because they didn't have a cool, marketable name. The next development and the mythology of the men in black yet because they didn't have a cool, marketable name. The next development in the mythology of the men in black would occur in 1952 and it would revolve around an interesting man by the name of Albert Bender.

Albert Bender was perhaps the most influential and prominent uphologist of the 1950s and 60s. He was an eccentric dude born on June 16th, 1921 in D'Aa, Pennsylvania. He was drawn to the supernatural as a teen, and he fashioned haunted house decorations and horror movie scenes on his bedroom walls. He was a curious and interesting young man.

Once featured in a newspaper article when he was 18 for writing to people all over the world. He wrote letters to correspondence in various countries, including Peru, England, Romania, Japan. These letters were up to 20 pages and lengths, handwritten. Like I said, dude, was very eccentric. He liked to collect things from different countries, like coins or sand, to riding his correspondences during high school.

He was also part of the American youth league. He was elected the junior vice president, and was elected national treasurer in October of his 1941 school year. He was no slouch. He was a go junior vice president and was elected national treasurer in October of his 1941 school year. He was no slouch. He was a go getter. Then he served in the US Army's Air Corps in World War II. Once again served or once served, excuse me, as an editor for an army paper and Langley. And then after the war, he lived in his stepfather's attic for a time in Bridgeport, Connecticut,

and decorated his attic bedroom like a serial killer, might. It became fascinating with the dark side of life in general, everything from Gothic literature, and the likes of Shelley and Poe to the occult, black magic, Ouija boards, all that was within his wheelhouse. He transformed that as a little attic room into this dark, dark blaze filled with all manner of paintings of demons and black cats and skeletons vampires bats skulls Even had an altar of sorts Again eccentric Based on what you'd say about it later at least he did have to seem to have a sense of humor about how odd he was

He'd say visitors were often shaken up and uncomfortable as I laughed heartily at their nervousness and amused myself by relating ghost stories at times My friends eventually decided they enjoyed the spooky atmosphere, and that probably was another reason for my fiction up the Chamber of Horrors. By painting grotesque scenes and faces upon the walls of the room, and after about eight months, I'd done so good a job that it almost frightened me when I stood back and looked at all one evening. No wonder my friends found it fascinating. Or so many of the ghostly characters appeared to be looking straight at me

no matter where I might stand in the room. Fuck that. Not me. I'm never sleeping in a room like that. I like weird shit. I like to visit like an odd museum, you know, like the Museum of Torture and Amsterdam or the Museum of Death in New Orleans,

but I don't like to leave. You know, I'm not gonna sleep there. I can turn my bedroom into some horror movie set. Then after the flying saucer reports, 1947, when Bender is 20, 26, he takes up an interest in aliens as well. A strong interest became his main interest. Uh, I was known to have an obsessive compulsive type, uh, type of personality causing to fixate on various things like his own mortality on the

nail, the likelihood of getting cancer. He wasn't dating He was an obsessive type dude who who loved fringe ideas and beliefs You know not getting laid still living at home putting all his energy into aliens What do you do with no sex a lot of time in an overly fixated mind? Well, you decide to create a network of fellow alien enthusiasts fellow alien investigators and In April of 1952, Bender establishes the International Flying Sausage Bureau, the IFSB,

to which countless reports of sightings and activity began to pour in. And he also begins to publish the Pulp Sci-Fi magazine space review. After saying his name several times, I started to wonder if Bender, the robot from Futurama, was named after Albert Bender. No, if you're wondering that too. That Bender was named after John Bender from the robot from Futurama was named after Albert Bender. No, if you're wondering that too.

That Bender was named after John Bender from the Breakfast Club, the heartthrob bad boy, played by a young Judge Nelson for some random trivia. In the early 1950s when America was still going through, you know, that UFO craze, there was a lot of info for Albert to report on. Let's talk about some of the incidents that led him to his infamous men in black encounter, right? The one that would really establish men and black as a proper phenomenon in paranormal circles.

Between July 12th and July 29th, 1952, the Washington flap would occur. This is also known as the invasion of Washington or the DC UFO incident. And this transpires when an unprecedented number of UFO sightings are officially reported in the DC area. Started at 11.40 pm on Saturday, July 19th, 1952, air traffic controller at the Washington National Airport by the name of Edward Nuggett spot seven objects on his radar that were 15 miles southwest of DC. They were not supposed to be there.

No craft was scheduled in that area at that time, nor were they flying on any of the flight paths for that area. Harry Barnes, the senior traffic controller on site stated, we knew immediately that a very strange situation existed. Their movements were completely radical compared to those of ordinary aircraft. The radar was checked. Everything seemed to be working properly. Soon, they were unidentified objects spread throughout the radar scope,

some over our national sites, such as the White House and US Capitol, the Air Force immediately notified. Barnes follows up with the National Airports radar-equipped tower, and learns that the controllers had seen strange blips on their screens, as well, and it also seen a bright hovering light in the sky that had an explosive burst of speed. On one of the runways at Capitol Airlines, excuse me, on one of the runways, a Capitol Airlines pilot, SC Pyraman

waited for permission to take off, initially thinking he had seen a meteor. He was told about what the control towers radar had detected and that the objects appeared to be closing in on his position. Pyraman claimed to observe six different unidentified objects, white, talous, fast-moving lights. Barnes, who had been in contact with Pyramid during the sidings later said that each sidin coincided with the pip we could see near

his plane when he reported the light streaked off at a high speed and disappeared on our scope. Andrew's Air Force Base stated that they had not found or seen any auto happenings on their radar, but then, Airman William Brady witnessed a ball of fire with a type of trailing tail. When he attempted to alert others in the AFB tower, it left at a high speed. Personnel believed there were meteors and stars, one proved to just be exactly that. Staff Sergeant Charles Davenport reported an orange-ish red light in the southern area and described the light by saying that it would appear to stand still, then make an abrupt change in direction and altitude, and that

this happens several times. In one particularly strange incident, the radar centers at National Airport and at Andrew's Air Force Base were both following an unidentified object that was hovering when it completely vanished from the radar at all of the radar centers simultaneously. At 3am, just as two Lockheed F-94 star-fire fighter jets from the US Air Force were about to arrive, all of these objects vanish. But then, when those same jets run low on fuel and have to land, the objects reappear and continue to be detected until 5.30 a.m.

Well, the news media picks up on this story in a frenzied ensues, even the commander, US Air Force, Captain Edward J. Ruppelt of Project Blue Book, learned about it from the news prior to any briefing. He encountered difficulty to every turn, lack of information, lack of transportation, lack of any sense of urgency by Pentagon officials and made no progress in his investigation into what it actually happened. And then at age 15, PM on Saturday, July 26, a national airlines pilot in Stewardess sees strange lights above their craft. Shortly thereafter, Washington National Airport and Andrews Air Force Base found more unidentified

objects on their radar. One commander visually saw them, reported that they did not act like meteors or stars, that they were moving in extraordinary speeds with no visible tail behind them. Before long, Albert M. Chop of Project Blue Book made his way to the control tower of National Airport to view the radar screens. At this time, roughly 9.30 in the evening, radars picking up images of aircraft and all sectors. The objects are moving erratically, some traveling forward, then reversing direction quickly, others appearing to hover in place, others clocking in, speeds of 7000 miles an hour. The Air Force sends two fighter jets into the area to investigate Captain John McEuggo,

piloting the lead jet sees nothing, even while flying in the midst of numerous objects being reported on radar, Lieutenant William Patterson reported he saw four glowing lights, gave chase at maximum speed but could not catch or identify them. Then in the dark hours of July 27th, major Dewey Fornet from Project Blue Book and Navy radar specialist Lieutenant John Holcomb arrived and concluded that everyone within the radar room that night and morning concurred that the objects were of metallic construct, giving the way in which the radar was picking them up. All were aware of the slightly elevated local temperature in the occasional weather targets and weather interference with radar and all had seen and dismissed those incidents from the other concerning and unidentified displays.

And then the largest press conference since World War II is held shortly after to try and quiet the growing unease in the public and the media friends he didn't choose. It was announced at the temperature. Some kind of temperature inversion had led to errors. The sum sightings, you know, could be easily explained as misidentified objects and that changes in the atmospheric pressure had created optical illusions that it made lights appear to be moving or changing when indeed they were not. Many in attendance at the radar readings, those experts in the field who were present for

those events on those unites disagreed strongly with the official statements, but were given limited platform to voice their disagreeing opinions. The hundreds of calls and claims of witnesses, people witnessing the events were publicly discredited and that was all the matter. That was the end of it As far as the government site cannot believe I didn't come across that incident when I did that UFO Extravaganza bonus suck. That was a big deal even President Truman was alarmed by it CIA historian Gerald Haynes in his 1997 history of the CIA's involvement with UFOs also mentions Truman's concern Say in a massive buildup of sightings over the United States in 1952,

especially in July, quote, alarmed the Truman administration. Unlike the doll, unlike doll and Christmas tale, this one is harder for me to write off. If it was meteors, well, then how do they change direction? How does the temperature inversion create all those sightings? I mean, I'm no meteorologist,

but it seems very, very strange. And that's kind of like where I'm out with these alien ones. It's like, sometimes you do read something like that. We're like, okay, I mean, that seems like something definitely good to happen. But then you read so many other things, like those two nuts, two wackadoodles version of what they saw in Morrie Island.

You're like, well, that part fucking did not happen. It was East Sideings that led the CIA to form something we did talk about in an alien bonus set called the Robertson Panel. It was a panel headed by Math Matician and physicist Howard Robertson, a mathematical physics professor at the California Institute of Technology in Princeton, frequent White House and military advisor regarding advanced weapons systems and this Robertson and his staff of literal geniuses oversaw the findings of Project Blue Book just to make sure the Air Force didn't miss something when it came

to extra-crestural side. So the government really was taking this stuff very seriously in the late 40s, in early 50s. So this is the cultural climate in which Albert Bender is living. And obviously, this is going to feed his already strong interest in UFOs. You know, he wants to see stuff, he wants to be part of it. And now we get into the origin story, the real origin story of the men in black. On July 30th, 1952, a series of bizarre events transpires that fathers the cultural knowing

and naming of the men in black, beginning when Bender receives a phone call that only provided silence from the other end and the overwhelming feeling of someone listening. God damn men in black are making crank calls. Probably gonna call him back and just ask him stuff like is your refrigerator running? It is. Well then go catch it. Click.

And be calling back later. I'm like do you have Prince Albert and a can? Yes? Well then let him out. Click. And be calling back later, I'm like, do you have Prince Albert in the can? Yes? Well then let him out. Click. Damn you, man in black with your lame ass, 1950s pranks. You're cruising for a bruise in daddy-o. Get bench, goof.

I'm gonna go away if you don't stop with your Mickey Mouse tom foolery, your nose bleed. Put an egg in your shoe and beat it. Shortly after receiving this phone call of menacing silence, Bender's head begins to ache and spin, forced him to call it a night. He doesn't think it's a coincidence. That's damn men in black. It puts some kind of headache curse on him. Either instinct or paranoia tells him that someone is keeping an eye on him.

They don't have good intent. They don't like how diligently he's covering all these recent sightings. They don't want him to get to the bottom of what he's looking and do. When I think about Bender, uh, I think about agent Mulder from the X files, David to Covey, uh, show creator Chris Carter had to have been very familiar with Bender when he came up with that wonderful show. Uh, in the following days, Bender gets confirmation that his instincts regarding being monitored are in fact, correct.

One night while walking home, he gets a distinct impression that he's been followed. He's suddenly filled with dread, afraid for his very safety. He quickens his movements, hastens. His walk to his attic home. When he reaches his door in the home, he sees what he appears to be a strange glow coming from under it and he notices that it smells almost of burning sulfur. He goes in anyway and is shocked to find his own mother, wearing some sexy ass JC Penny lingerie,

lighting his naked bent over stepfather's farts and some sort of horrific sex ritual that are doing in his room for some reason, warming up for some aggressive pegging. Ah-ha! This explains the sulfurous smell, the glow under the door, the not feeling very well the other day. His stepfather's been crop dust in him.

He vomits. He realizes he has to find a new place to live, has to strike out on his own. I'll never be able to look at his stepfather or mother in the eye ever again. No. No pun entering. Bender, uh, he sees some type of shimmering object

floating or hovering in his room that instantly disappears when he turns on the light. Mm-hmm. Turn on the light also leads him discovering that, uh, you know, his multitude of research files and papers have been tampered with. He had been so happy and angry about that at the same time. Just holy shit, I just had an extra treasure and counter! This is awesome! Now, shit! That's aliens just messed up all of my alien research! Damn it! Well, over the course of the next few months, Bender feels like he's been watched and followed all the time.

In November of 1952, he's at a movie theater alone, and he's suddenly again filled with unease and dread. He's overcome with the feeling that he's being watched, so he calmly takes his hand off of his penis, zips up his pants, and does not get to finish either himself or singing in the rain. No, I feel like he's being watched, you notice that in a nearby seated, darkly clad man has appeared out of nowhere. He'd later describe what happened in an interview.

I fancy to someone had eyes upon me, with a prickly sensation on the back of my neck, began to fidget in my seat. Suddenly, I felt the presence of a person in the seat next to me, though nobody had been there previously. I had heard nobody enter and sit down, and I took a quick glance, without turning my head, saw a man sitting there. Then the eyes drew my attention, I turned my head facing him and found myself looking straight into two strange eyes, like little flashlight bulbs, lighting up on a dark face. The eyes seemed to burn right into me. I felt a spinning in my head in the movie screen blurred. I blinked my eyes several times, then closed them for a few seconds. When I opened

them, the man was gone. Yet I heard no movement. Bender said that his eyes glowed brightly, and the feeling of did this, that came on made him feel like he did just after the first ominous phone call. After the man in black disappears, he highlights it out of that movie theater and he heads home. And I'd like to imagine him so scared that 32 years old, he tries to climb in bed that night with his stepfather and his mother.

Just no Albert, good God, get out of here. But I'm scared, so am I. I'm afraid I'm gonna die, still taking care of my grown man's stuff son That's enough Wilbur. Why can't you just let him sleep in my bed for one night? Absolutely not mildred. How am I supposed to get any sleep feeling his hairy man legs rubbing up on mine? Go to your room Albert. There's too much mildered. I always told you you coddled him too much January 1953 the CIA creates the Robertson panel as I talked about

tasked with the investigation of the impact of UFO sightings. And as part of this, they're charged with keeping a watchful eye on all groups researching and tracking UFO activity to ensure that there is no subversive goal as being formulated. So Big Brother is very aware of Albert's fascination and his discussion of the report to sightings. Now is this because they knew the sightings were real or because they were worried that the Russians were creating hoaxes as a distraction from legitimate threats? Could groups such as Bender's IFS-B be infiltrated or led by communist agents, or the KGB

to distract the military, to better enable a successful Soviet attack? So thanks to Cold War paranoia, there is a decent chance that bender really was being watched uh... but but it was by his own government and not aliens and maybe he just exaggerated things greatly in his head uh... apparently

bender was not the only man being watched either uh... another account from nineteen fifty three this one leading to recognition in response from the fby came from an anonymous source to a uof o investigator by the name of Harold T. Wilkins in the form of a letter. The account was relayed as having been played out in the following way. In January 1953, according to Wilkins' account, two men wearing black suits arrived at an attorney's office and were quickly promoted to high positions.

Both men were abnormally tall, roughly six and a half feet each, two thin, and their hands and wrists were oddly shaped and showed none of the standard signs of having joints. That is pretty unusual. No one seemed to know them, and then the director said very little when asked who they were, and they just appeared, quote, very weird. And also, one of these men allegedly had terrifying strength, which was displayed when he seemingly accidentally left a half-inch indentation in the top of metal filing cabinet as he leaned over it.

Later supposedly testing this cabinet results were found that yielded out, that required a force of 2,000 pounds to create such an indent. Well, someone called the feds about these weirdos and investigators were stamped with the two men were gone and unable to be found alarmed by the witness report and physical evidence of the filing cabinet the FBI supposedly took the cabinet with them and returned to Washington DC. And this incident I say I'll just kind of suppose it allegedly stuff because it was reported in the August issue of Mystic magazine. Not like life or something or you know the New York Times it was reported in Mystic magazine in 1954. Mystic magazine was a monthly publication of Pulp Fiction Tales. Highly recommend to Google Image Search.

So many cool covers, like the artwork and stuff. But it was like cover stories like The Devil's Empire, How Lucifer fell. Are there, Ethereic armies, fire walking, who did the exposure exposed? The hidden kingdom, secret tales of earth probing the flying saucer riddle Lots of pin-up art on the cover. I love that shit

Mystic reader alarmed the story and the seemingly mounting number of related incidents wrote a letter to J Edgar Hoover demanding answers Hoover supposedly responded With the following statement I would like to advise you that the article you mentioned is entirely incorrect with reference to the FBI, and there's no information on the matter which I can give you. Now important to note that Harold T. Wilkins is, like Albert Bender and Fred Christmas, a nut. He was a Pulp Fiction author himself born in 1891, Wikipedia describes him as a British journalist known for his books on treasure hunting and pseudo-historic claims about

Atlantis and South America The dude wrote books like mysteries and monsters of the deep 1948 mysteries of ancient South America published in 45 In the 1950s on his 60s he published stuff like flying saucers on the moon Flying saucers on the moon Flying saucers on the attack published in 1954 and then my favorite in 1955 flying saucers Uncensored, I love that title, you know like like he you know, he held back on some stuff in 1954 with his first two saucer books

But then in 1955 he's like, you know what fuck it? These people need to hear the truth and I'm gonna let it rip And then he publishes final work These people need to hear the truth, and I'm going to let it rip. And then he publishes final work, Strange Mysteries of Time and Space in 1958. And now all of these books are on display in a Smithsonian exhibit called Stuff That For Sure Totally Happened, 100%. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, just wanted to give you his background to explain why I kept saying supposedly and allegedly. Did he really send a letter to the FBI?

Ah, maybe. Did he get a response from Hoover? Nah, I guess it's possible, but I doubt it. Again, does not seem like a trustworthy source. Source. Now let's check back in with another, that other wackadoodle Albert Bender. For the October, or I'm sorry, October 1953,

Bender had planned to reveal, you know, his black men findings, men and black, black men. That'd be a totally different way to take this. He was gonna finally know, his black men findings, men and black black men. That'd be a totally different way to take this. He was going to finally talk about some black men. He had been thinking about them for years. No, he's going to reveal his men on black. I wrote men and black.

That's where I messed up. I was like, what is men and black? I wrote, he has men and black findings. He was going to release it in that month's issue of his space review publication. But before the issue was published, he's visited by three men, dressed in black, who had already read the unpublished report and confirmed the findings. They had warned him not to print it. These silencers, as he called them, scared Bender to the point, were not only that he not

published the report, but he left a warning in his farewell edition now of the magazine. He said we would like to print the full story in space review, but because of of the nature of the information we are sorry that we have been advised in the negative we advise those engage in saucer work to please be very cautious and then he suspended publishing and then dissolved his little group the international flying saucer bureau is no more well before bender dissolved his group

he had included in it a man named Gray Barker, important in Uofology lore. Gray Barker joined the group and Bender would tell his story to Gray a few years later. When Barker was a 27 year old man from Clarksburg, West Virginia, he was getting way way into Uofos himself. Well, that is early 20s Barker he began to collect stories about the flatwoods monster and alleged extraterrestrial reported by the residents of Braxton County back in 1952 in an article for Fate magazine at Paranormal Monthly Magazine. We talked about earlier,

Barker basing his descriptions on tape recorded interviews with supposed witnesses, described the flatwoods monster as approximately 10 feet tall with round blood red face, Describe the flatwoods monster as approximately 10 feet tall with round blood red face large pointed hood like shape eyes I like shapes which emitted a greenish orange lights dark black or green body Castlin may describe the figures having small claw-like hands clothing like folds and ahead they resemble the aces bait According to reports this monster the figure made a hissing sound and glided towards a group of people. And the group said they smelled a pungent mist around the creature. And later some said they were nauseated, nauseated. And then the contact local authorities, local sheriff and his deputy investigator reports the monster, which also included apparently the monster had a spaceship crash line in the area. Search the site. The report of monsters saw, heard, smelled nothing. According

to Barker's account, next day, a lay Stewart Jr. a journalist or a Lee Stewart Jr. a journalist working for the Bracks and Democrat claim to discover skid marks in the field and an old gummy deposit. Now, and that was a subsequently attributed by UFO enthusiast groups as evidence of a saucer landing. So that's who Gray Barker is. Another dude, super weird, into weird shit. And when Bender gets freaked out and shuts down his UFO group, and it's monthly magazine, doesn't want to tell a story anymore, it's going to be Barker who gets him to spill the beans. And it introduced the men in black to the masses.

We're going to explore that in just a second. First Barker also claimed to have his own men in black experience. How convenient. On August 28th, 1953, Barker said he was at home in West Virginia, and then he was visited by a special agent, a man in a black suit, claiming to be from the FBI who questioned him at length about Bender's IFSB enrollment. Barker insisted that the group was nothing more than a bunch of innocent, you know, curious investigators, just a bunch of dudes who talked a lot about aliens, and I'm guessing often complained about not having girlfriends, and people who just wish their parents would be a little cooler about letting them, you

know, continue to live at home and not have real jobs. Eventually, the agent left, but only after trying to link Barker to a man in Florida, whose name is unknown, who claimed, who had claimed to investigate UFOs as well. And that man supposedly died from an epileptic fit quote unquote. And he was found with an IFS, IFSB business card on him that listed Barker as a chief investigator. And Barker was an panic when the agent left and he quickly wrote to Bender describing what happened and then Bender went on to tell Barker what had happened to him and they had to shut everything down.

And with the following few years, Bender would actually tell several different versions of his experiences with men and black. The experience, the fricking amount made him want to shut everything down. It feels like it became like this classic, you know, big fish, fish catch story, you know, where the fish gets a little bigger with each telling, you know, it fought, fought a little harder each time you retell the story. You know, initially it was a 15 inch, one and a half pound rainbow trout that took you 20 minutes to reel in. Suddenly, it's become a 30 inch, you know, just, you know, 15 pound seal head to get two days to reel it. Bender would talk about the smell of brimstone, strong feelings of dread, glowing eyes as he was monitored by the men in black.

Some versions, the same man from his original counter and the theater reappears later, and indicates that Bender is to follow him to a small area. This is going to get so weird or second, so beautifully weird. Figures materialized in front of him, closing around him once they're in this, oh, it was supposed to be a small wooded area. That was an important descriptor to leave out. And once you get to the small wooded area, figures materialized in front of him. Now there's more men in black.

They put their hands on his shoulders until he passes out. Do some kind of spock move on him. And then when you awaken, he finds himself in a secret underground place and Antarctica. Seriously, some kind of weird Superman's fortress solitude type shit. And in his Antarctic experience, Bender claims that aliens tell him, you are charged to keep our secret. We do not wish to take extreme action, and you will find that you will often consider giving

away some part of this information. When you get such thoughts, you will be reminded of the consequences by headaches, which will be almost unbearable to you. At such times, beware of more serious conditions we can bring about. I fucking love stories like this. Let me get this straight You're being followed by entities that are able to appear out of thin air They can materialize and de materialize at will pretty impressive feet They can bend the laws at time and space just to pop in and you know Visit you with any location on earth and they're worried about what you've seen, and they want you to be quiet.

And then for some reason, they don't, you know, I don't know, just leave you in Antarctica to die. Why wouldn't that, why wouldn't they just do that? Leave you just, if they can take you to Antarctica, they can just fucking, you know, blip you over there, just leave you there. Then you'll definitely never tell the secrets. It's a completely untraceable crime.

No one's gonna find your body, not ever. But no, no, no, they're not gonna do that. They're gonna give you almost unbearable headaches from time to time. And if you try and talk, they'll do something more serious. Like what? Like a toothache? Maybe like a bad nose bleed?

Ben to our will, Earthlein, tell no one. If you talked to anyone about what you've seen here today, we will give you a most unpleasant rash. And also, not only that, you will awaken in the middle of the night, squealing in pain from terrible, um, calf muscle cramps. Yes, that's right. Go ahead. Eat more bananas. Get more hydrated. It will still take several days to work out the cramp pain. Lucky for us. Bender did not heed their power for ominous warning. their power for ominous warning. And in 1956, Barker wrote a book that included both Bender's experience with the men in black in his own.

So that's weird also. Too scared to talk about it in 1952, but four years later, totally okay. Well, in 1956, Barker is brave enough to go with no men has gone before. He's brave enough to write and publish. They knew too much about flying saucers. This is a huge book in Eiffology lore. Disgusts is a Bender's experiences or shit that he may have, or shit that the two of them made up, at length.

Harold Doll and Fred Christmas, Morrie Island incident from 1947 is discussed in this book. This is the first actual book to both talk about the men and black experiences, you know, have several of them kind of in this, you know, anthology and also refer to them for the first time as men and black experiences, have several of them in this anthology, and also refer to them for the first time as men and black. So this is the origin story. This is the new too much about flying saucers. And while within the book, Barker didn't outright claim that the men and black were linked to the US government,

the implication was made clear. And again, that part of the story doesn't seem far-fetched to me. The anarchist stuff, yeah, seems a little weird. Of Bender or Barker or both were truly visited by mysterious men and black suits. My money is that they were some kind of intelligence officers, CIA, FBI, something. I mean, again, the Cold War full force this time is the age of McCarthyism that we referenced in that Marilyn Monroe suck and other sucks that took us to 1950s America.

Anti-red paranoia is rampant. People with supposed communist ties are being blacklisted from doing shit like make movies. It was a crazy time. Anyone with questionable ideas, views, or documented interests was likely to get a knock on the door from Big Brother. And the government, as we've said, was interested in UFOs at that time. They did, as we've discussed, form groups like Project Blue Book to specifically assess the threat of UFOs. You know, you know, there

were meetings when they discussed the possibility of communist working with aliens. That's so entertaining to me, just to be a fly in the wall in some of these meetings where they're just like just throwing anything out there that could be possible. All right, boys, listen up. Something very urgent has come to our attention and must be made organizational prior to it once. Forget our investigation, currently into whether or not the Jersey devil is actually just a very unattractive communist Ukrainian woman who got lost in the Pine Barrens of New Jersey.

Put our inquiry into whether or not Supercobras are invasive species introduced into America by the Reds, to kill our goats, and through the entire continent's, you know, ecosystem of balance, lead to a governmental overthrow once our agricultural industry shuts down. We have good reason to believe that the Russians have either made a deal with the sauce of flying race of extraterrestrials, to wage an intergalactic war against freedom and democracy or that the Russians themselves have got a hold of alien technology and made their own flying saucers.

And by good reason to believe, I mean, we read the new issue of Fate magazine and it gave us that God damn hebe Jebus. The government this time concerned enough about UFOs and aliens to engage in communication with Wacadulals. That part I totally believe. Okay, so now we got on 1958 and then the development of this lore. November 22nd 1958, an Oki civilian from Oklahoma City reaches out to Jair Edgar Hoover, regarding the FBI's treatment of uphologist.

Saying recently many rumors have been printed in UFO periodicals concerning reports that special agents of the federal Bureau of investigation have discouraged certain saucer investigators, but particularly Mr. Albert Bender of Bridgeport, Connecticut from the research into the secrets of these elusive disks. And then the letter went on to ask whether or not these reports were true, Hoover's office responded saying, I am instructing a special agent of our Oklahoma City Office to contact you concerning them out of mentioned. Hoover's office then contacts the Oklahoma City Office and instructs an agent to contact the author of the letter and collect copies of the magazine or

periodicals and any other information. And then on December 9, 1958, the Oklahoma based agent follows orders reports that the Saucerian bulletin. I love all these magazines are floating around about flying saucers at this time. The Saucerian Bulletin had published the account and was written by Gray Barker. There was his name again. And Gray claimed that the men in black and question were from the FBI, Air Force, Intelligence, and CIA.

December 12, 1958, a deep classified FBI report reads, Bender formed the International Flying Saucer Bureau in Bridgeport, Connecticut in 1952 to look into the Flying Saucer mystery. In 1953, Bender allegedly stated that he knew what the saucers are, then the three men and black suits silenced Bender. To the extent that even today,

Bender will not discuss the matter of his hush-up with anyone, except for the book that he put out there. According to notes, the FBI sought to obtain a copy of they knew too much about flying saucers from Barker within weeks of January 22, 1959. J Edgar Hoover had a copy and the FBI noted that in his files, they held no accounts of any information relating to silencing Bender. It should be noted that there are no records within the declassified FBI papers of any interview with Gray Barker in 1953 or any other year. So either the FBI is covering up their interviews or Bender and Barker are full of shit or Bender and Barker

met with entities. They thought were FBI agents, but were really aliens. Or none of this happened. Bender and Barker and Hoover and the FBI don't exist. That's another possibility. None of them exist, and all of this is part of the virtual reality matrix beamed to us by the lizard illuminati's thought manipulation, thought control based aka the moon. I'm sure conspiracy theorist David Ike would have extensive thoughts regarding that last possibility, if asked. I'm sure he could talk for several days in a row

without stopping about it. In 1962, Barker and Bender collaborated on a second book about men in black called Flying Saucers and the Three Men, published under Barker's own publishing company, Saucerian Books. This book proposed that the men in black were themselves extraterrestrials. Ah, they've taken a twist now.

They used to think they were FBI people. Now, they're extraterrestrials themselves. This book was met with harsh criticism from other uphologists, such as Jerome Clark, who referred to it as a mediocre science fiction novel. That's bad. When other whackity do those, you're like, ah, that's back in nonsense. That's not how aliens exist at all. Many within

the Eiffology community question this book have laughed in quiet or shaking their heads. However, there also does seem to be a belief amongst a lot of them that these books hold some truth that there is some element of truth in Bender's accounts. Clark sees something of value in the book noting that something clearly scared bender and something of value was noted the time which pulled gray barker in as well. Again, I don't know. All of these guys to me seem to have seriously overactive imaginations and all these guys are trying to make money off of strange sightings. So there's a conflict there. You know, they're trying to sell pulp magazines and pulp books. I don't trust their motives. Maybe bender had to shut everything down in 1953

because he was losing money on his little club in publication, then maybe, you know, other business opportunities didn't work out. And then a couple years later, he thought there was money to be made again, and he took another shot at it. And that second book, Bender States, that he saw giant landing strips for UFOs,

advanced technology. He states that he met with reptilian descendants who informed him of the basis 200 year history I can space lizards had no idea they were gonna make a cameo in this episode Maybe the men in black were going to be half of the lizards some kind of lizard elite security detail Probably have to email David Ike to find out for certain These lizards told Bender that the Nazis had found them and that they had helped the Nazis with their weaponry. That seems odd to me. If these aliens are so powerful and they're helping the Nazis, why didn't the Nazis

win the war? I mean, that's true. That means that the Allies have even more bragging rights about World War II than we already believed. Not only did the Allies defeat the Nazis and Moose Leney and Japan, they also kicked some alien ass. Bender also talked to one point. This is my favorite thing about everything that benders talked about he talked to one point uh... about you know during his meeting with the lizard people

beautiful female aliens rubbed strange liquid all over his entire body hey i'll lose a fena maybe that sexy supernatural tenderness behind all this but for real, he claimed that beautiful lizard women, beautiful lizard women rub liquided onto all of his skin, all of it, even, even cleaned his wien. Claimed this rub down would prevent him from ever suffering from what all humans fear, a horrible death. Sounds hot. Quick question. If you're married and hot aliens rubbed you down and clean your wien, is that cheating? I just want to know what's acceptable. Some hot ass

aliens ever offered to rub me down. I'm gonna have to probably have a long discussion with Lindsey about this where the the lit you know the integrity of my mental sanity will be also discussed. Well I do think all this is absolute wackadoodleness. I guess it's worth noting that Alfred did live to the age 94. He did die in LA then, natural causes. So maybe his life was prolonged by his alien sex shield. The space reptile creatures, they dispatched knowledge to Albert. According to tales in his book,

they praised his diligence. Oh man, they were so proud of him. But they also gave him stern warnings about the future. They probably told him they were going to give him some more pesky headaches. And now if he wasn't careful, the aliens, an Albert had a long Q&A session where at one point he learned that the aliens like to hunt humans on occasion, just like humans like to hunt animals, that must have been a fairly uncomfortable part of the interview. I'm sorry, did you just say that you liked a hunt us for sport? You did. Should I be worried? No, you have no interest on me. Oh, you prefer a challenge. You don't, you don't consider me a worthy

kill. Okay, I guess I'm both relieved and highly insulted. Can we please move on to more questions? Can I get another massage? They go on to discuss religion in the universe, the aliens explain that Albert's headaches come from an implant they put in his head. Now that makes sense. Okay, I get it. They let him know they can take over his body whenever they want, maybe give him some more headaches if he's not careful. So now the idea of men and black has really out there in the world, at least in the sci-fi pulp fiction paranormal fringes of the world, which was pretty big. Actually, that's pretty popular stuff in like the 50s and 60s.

They've been talking about in a few books now. They've been published in Tales of UFO magazines. And then future UFO magazines will continue to reference these tales for decades. It becomes part of modern American UFO mythology and news stories of men in black sightings are to pour in over the years. And this next men in black story involves a future suck topic.

I don't know exactly when we're going to get to it, but I do know a lot of you are patiently or impassionally waiting to hear it. The Mothman. Yes, December 15, 1967, the point's pleasant silver bridge over the Ohio River collapses, killing 46 people, and largely, if not entirely, ends stories of local encounters with Mothman. Between the time in which Mothman first appeared and point pleasant, and the date of the British collapse, the men and blacks supposedly came calling. And Mary Hyre, a local journalist, kept note.

Her recorded accounts detail a strange man of small stature, less than five feet tall, with oddly hypnotic eyes, thick, soul, shoes, and odd interactions. When he approached her, he was completely taken with her ballpoint eyes, thick, soul, shoes, and odd interactions. When he approached her, he was completely taken with her ballpoint pen, so she let him have it. And he was happy to have it, and he responded with an odd sort of cackle-like laugh that she didn't care for, then he left quickly. And that's when she knew he was not of this world. Only an alien cackle like that wouldn't give him a pen. It was an alien cackel if there ever was one. Variety of men and black type characters

then pop up during the Mothman sightings after that. One in particular speaks to hire again. And apparently, you know, talks to her about there's been a lot of UFO activity in the area and starts to interrogate her. Question her about the various incidents, ask her if she's gonna continue to publish articles on the strange happenings.

She tells this men and black person that she is going to continue publishing things and then he leaves and she never sees any of them again. Again, not particularly menacing. Now let me get this straight. They ask some questions, one of them cacles, one of them likes her pen, and then when she tells them, she's gonna keep reporting what she wants to report,

they leave. Man, those guys most of the head that are asked to chewed by their men and black supervisors when they got back to HQ. What do you mean you just left? Tell me you gave her a headache. Tell me you gave her a mild headache. What about a muscle cramp? A nose bleed?

An earache. You liked her because you gave you a cool pen. You fool. You're fired. Give me your badge. You're no longer a man in black. You've been demoted to a boy in Stamacolored Capri pants. Keep it up, you'll be a dude in cargo shorts. Definitely not a man in black.

And then there are many more supposed societies. Before we look at a few more of them, let's head on over to the idiots of the internet. I was hoping for an amazing idiotted to the internet this week considering the subject matter and was not disappointed. Fantastic. So rich and wackadoodleness. First video I looked at was called The Real Men in Black posted by UFO Hub. That was a channel.

It's uFologist Nick Redfern talking about the history of the men in black, covering essentially what we've covered so far today. He talks a lot about Albert Bender and Mori Island and all that stuff. Nick is a 4050, uh, 4050, is a 54 year old British man, Ella and Dallas. Uh, and he's a big current name in ufology. He's a leading contributor to Phenomena magazine, a UK magazine that describes itself as looking into the whole realm of the strange profound unknown and unexplained delvening the subjects of paranormal you fall you Philogical Cryptozoological and parapsychological can they get some fucking bigger words?

They just like to make themselves feel good with their huge tiles and 40 in events nicks appeared on history channel shows like Monster Quest. He's appeared on UFO Hunters on sci-fi channels proof positive. So many other shows, he's written books like Three Men Seeking Monsters, Six Weeks in Pursuit of Werewolves, Lake Monsters, Giant Cats,

Ghostly Devil Dogs, UFO Top Secrets Exposed, so many others, so make of that what you will. And under this video, my favorite post comes in from user K Tansney who writes, not all UFOs are visible. In 1993, me and a coworker on a farm at Upper River Kangaroo Valley,

New South Wales, Australia had a craft flyover that we could hear and feel but saw nothing. We could hear it on its approach which sounded like a humming transformer. We felt the displacement of air, it flew over us but we saw nothing. And what we could sense it was at least 50 meters long. You guys saw an invisible UFO, interesting. How perfect for protecting yourself from people trying to prove you wrong.

I would have taken a picture, you asshole. It was invisible. What a whole new avenue of the paranormal to explore. You don't even have to see paranormal entities to have paranormal encounters. This brings everything back into being possible. Sasquatch is real. Why do we find footprints but nobody?

Because he's fucking invisible, okay? Where's the lock this monster invisible? Jersey devil yeah, he of course is out there. You just can't see the sun of a bitch most of the time And all seriousness what a few of those were were invisible. What if they could be coming visible? I guess that's not actually that far-fetched idiotic. I mean, you know, I mean, if they could make it here from some other galaxy, if their technology is that advanced for them to like, you know, zip in and out of the sky, you know, like at just preposterous speeds, why is invisibility out of the question? You know, that's interesting. A 9-11 conspiracy nut makes their way into the comment section. User solved 9.11 posts.

Remember 9.11 was a false flag. Do you think the UFO attack could also be a false flag? Use your brains America. Oh, solve 9.11. Telling people to use their brains as if you had one. You know the content's gonna be good when user name solved 9.11 is posting it. I just like how he presents 9-11 as being a

undisputed false flag. For sure it was a false flag, everybody knows it. Hey, remember when the US government for sure, absolutely, fact, killed its own people in 9-11? No, I don't remember that, you paranoid fuck. And now UFO attacks are false flags. And in what way? The government has insanely advanced flight and cloaking technology.

And it's just using it to experiment and alienly probe its own citizens. What are you talking about? There's just, these people make no sense. Cause let's play out the logic. If we did have that technology, right? If the US government did have like flying saucers, flying saucers, they could turn invisible, all these kind of, you know, crazy things, you know, men in black, they could just appear

out of nowhere. If all of that was possible based on some kind of military technology, why would we fuck with ourselves? Are you kidding me? Let me get this straight. We can fly anywhere. We can secretly abduct whoever we want. And we're gonna kidnap ourselves.

No. No, we'd be fucking, I don't know, or connect Northern neighbors. Or, you know, or on Mexican neighbors down south. Russia, Japan, Nigeria, Greenland, anywhere but here. This is the dumbest idea ever. User Bret Weir posts, Nick Redford is such an awesome guy. He's real.

Nothing crazy to capture attention, just straightforward. awesome guy. He's real. Nothing crazy to capture attention. Just straight forward. Nothing crazy. He's straight forward. He wrote a book called Ghostly Devil Dogs. He wrote another book called Giant Cats. Oh, yeah, now he's super stable. And then user Big Daddy leads me to some internet gold that I had never heard of before posting Dan Acroid. Had a men and black experience, I believe him. Dan Acroid, the Canadian star of Ghostbusters, Saturday Night Live, the Blues Brothers, Driving Miss Daisy, the Great Outdoors, so many other great movies.

He's a men and black believer? Sure is. I googled Dan Acroid Men and Black and I found another video called Dan Acroid on Real Men in Black posted by Guy Merritt. This is a video about how in 2002, Dan Acroid filmed eight episodes of a sci-fi series about UFOs called Out There that Never Air. During a break in taping of the last episode, something strange happened that Acroid believes was a men in black and counter.

Let's listen to that now. Well, last show we did, I had both Bassett who has the UFO time clock and then Greer. Both Bassett and Greer were there. They were my two guests for the day. Well, the show was canceled that afternoon. And I was outside. Before I knew it was cancelled in between the interviews. And I was outside and Brittany Spears called me because she wanted me to appear on Saturday night live with her. And so I picked up, I was outside having a cigarette, the phone rang. I, I, oh Brittany, how you doing?

Oh, sure, of course, I will. I turned away like this. I turned back and there was a black Ford across the road, a black Ford sedan. I was trying to look at the plate and the plate seemed kind of like fuzzy. I was definitely a police car. And two guys were there and a big, big tall guy got out of the back seat. He stood in the street on 42nd Street. It was, we were at 42nd Street and 8th Avenue. And he looked right at me. Uh-oh, and literally I mean I was on the phone. How sure of course I'd like to let you I saw the Ford went back like this turn back like a half second later and It was gone and that car did not go past me

It did not make a U-turn because I would have seen 42nd Street I would have seen that thing take a U-turn and go away. Mm-hmm. That car vanished that car was a cloaked vehicle of some type. Yep. And whether this was like a warning to me because the guy cut out of the back seat, gave me a real dirty look. That car vanished. I know what I saw. And you know, it was just this fast.

It was, oh, hi, Brittany, sure. Oh, of course, I'd love to. The guy gives me dirty look. Oh, sure. Car gone. That's what happened.. Oh, well sure, car gone. That's what happened. And then two hours later, we were told we were not to continue taping,

and the show was canceled and none of them were there. Whoa. The man in black gave him the stink eye. I love how weak the men in black seemed to be. Jesus. Right, they didn't give him a headache. Didn't even give him a weird laugh, or you know, take a pen. They gave him a dirty look. Oh no, not a dirty look.

Did he see and then his show was canceled? Maybe the show was canceled because of fucking sucks. Maybe just a shitty show. You know, did he really see some men and black, or was that whole story just an excuse to constantly name drop Britney Spears? Let's get out of here. Let's get out of here and see if other people's men and black tales are better than Dan Akronon who is a secretary for the national UFO conference

and his wife Mary had a series of encounters with the men and black which resulted in a now infamous photo supposedly of a man and black. And addition to Jack having a prior fascination with a paranormal, I mean, he was a secretary of the national UFO conference for God's sake. As wife Mary also had some interesting beliefs before her men and black encounters, she was already on record. As having claimed, she was seen fairies as an adult in the tree near her apartment. She also claimed to be a psychic. Thought she could contact the dead with a Ouija board and occasionally would hear a disembodied footsteps.

So she is mentally and tip top shape prior to her sighting. She has quite the wacky doodle. That's me. Oh, man. So yeah, clearly. And then in 1968, she reaches out to Timothy Green Beckley, UFO researcher and an author who has been an active man in black hunter, a man who straight up looks exactly like the sad stereotype of a UFO hunter. He looks so incredibly mentally unstable. Do a Google image search for Timothy Green Beckley. You will not be disappointed. He looks like he should be one of the lone gunmen

from the ex files. He's worked as a writer for the national inquirer, you know, that hard-hitting journalistic paper. He was the editor of something called the Conspiracy Journal. He's like a poor man's Alex Jones. He looks like he lives inside a doomsday bunker and only eats MRAs and only drinks water that he's purified with his own homemade

water purification tablets. Mary also reached out to Jim Mosley, a UFO researcher who published a newsletter called Saucer News, a man who had worked in amateur archaeology before the UFO sightings of 1947 and then switched his interest over into flying saucers. So she reaches out to these men because she's afraid of a darkly clad man and black, a man with a black hat and sunglasses who have been watching her and her husband's apartment from the doorway of a nearby building and he gave off startling and a disconcerting continents. And it put her husband Jack's nerves on edge.

Jack was nervous as shit all the time. Strange things were happening within their home as well. Clicking sounds could be heard in their phones. You know, were they being tapped? Their important research files seem to be tampered with. I can't find my fairy documents anymore. Someone's taking them. Beckley and Mosley headed out for

Jersey City to solve the mystery, confront the men in black. Uh-huh, they weren't afraid of a headache. They were going to get right in his face. And while driving down the residential road leading to their apartment, they quickly saw a man standing in the recess of a doorway in a neighboring building and he fit the men in black description perfectly in a near panic. Beckley took a photo, while Mosley wept like a baby. Now while Mosley quickly parked the car just around the corner, the two race back with the men and black was gone,

he simply vanished. And Mary claims that she never saw him again. You can find this picture online. It doesn't look, it's not convincing him anything. It's just like a dude. It's like a dude in a suit. Like a normal looking dude in a suit. Uh, Mosley would later say that he didn't think It's like a dude in a suit. Like a normal looking dude in a suit.

Uh, mostly, uh, would later say that he didn't think he actually seen a man in black today. He thought I was just a bookie. Someone maybe run in a scam or maybe some drugs and that Mary's paranoia. I'd led to other conclusions. Beckley stands by the idea that this person was indeed a man in black. And there's no other explanation for his fast appearance. Or fast disappearance.

Excuse me. And again, though, I've seen a picture and it just looks like a dude in a black suit, nothing ominous. Again, I love that the worst thing that these people have done is given someone a headache still. If I'm gonna be harassed by a paranormal entity, I really hope it's a man in black because they seem just fucking weak.

Okay, let's jump all the way to 2008 for one more. In 2008, Raven Mendel, a Michigan resident claims she was harassed by a man in black. Now, Raven works as a neurologist, and she is highly esteemed in her field. She's written several critically claim novels. No, of course, that's not true. That's never the kind of fucking person that talks about this stuff. No, she's a self-described Wicken Priestess, cryptozoologist, author, radio host. Are you a radio host? It was internet radio.

It has been featured on the history channels monster quest where she was filmed pursuing werewolves. Yep, she's a werewolf hunter. So again, super credible witness in April of 2008 meant Mendel's husband Adam had a strange sensation where he felt Da-da-da a rush of wind passed by him in the apartment The air conditioning wasn't running and there was no source for it yet he felt it. He felt it you guys. Then on the evening of April 16th, a week after feeling a little bit of wind.

Mendel had an encounter with the men in black. Two, men in black, extra to the apartment across from where she was living, despite the fact that it was a vacant rental. They climbed into a black Lincoln. They drove away. Rave to the time was playing Frisbee with a disc called an alien flyer that had a picture of an alien on it. Coincidence, I don't think so. Those motherfuckers were warning her to stop playing Frisbee. It was bringing her too close to the truth.

At first, Rave and thought they were Mormons. That's not one of my jokes. Seriously, she thought they were Mormons at first. She was like, ah, fucking Mormons. Trying to stop me playing my frisbee, but then she was convinced otherwise. She walked towards their Lincoln to see their plates, and then they deliberately took off to evade her. And in the following days, the family's phone would ring. But when they would answer it, no one was on the phone. Then one night while trying to fall asleep, Mendel was so overcome with a terrifying feeling

that she's decided to stop all you of faux research. That's right. A few days after that psychic event, a black luxury car began following her when she was walking her dog. Two men were inside dressed in black. The car stopped right next to her, escalated her fear dramatically when the passenger moved to get out.

He was going to get out of the car, you guys. Mendel counted that move by taking out her cell phone to indicate she was calling someone, and I guess that was enough to scare the men and black away. The threat of possibly calling someone. Again, least intimidating paranormal people ever. Raven's husband Adam also the victim of scare tactics. He heard some whispering sounds once within the apartment that he didn't care for. Not whispering, what next? Another breeze? The scariest event happened to them when handprints were left on the bathroom mirror that were sort of, this is, this is, they could sort of sliding down the glass.

There was some sort of sliding handprints. The same day, her daughter took a shower and somehow received bruises on her arm, she thinks. That did kind of match the hand size prints from the mirror. Did she get bruises? That way, was it from the men in Did she get bruises? That way? Was it from the men in black? Or was it from mommy raven shaking her?

Why don't you believe mommy? I did see men in black. I swear I did. I am a wicked priestess. I will catch a werewolf. There are fairies in the tree outside. Why would you believe mommy? Then finally, on February 11th, 2009, Mendel has a nightmare, slash night tear at 1.21 am.

When she wakens, her body is painfully tingling. Like she slept on some part of her arm wrong, which waking up again. I could totally explain it, but nope. Men in black. A loud noise was humming. She was trying to scream for her husband, but she couldn't. She was focused on the curtain, and whatever was out there. No description is provided.

And then she yelled, I hate you, you stuff of a bitch, I hate you. And then she woke up and she was scared. And that's it. That's when she decided for sure to stop folks on the UFOs and she changed her focus. And now, again, because she is a super mentally put together human being,

she is now focusing mostly on dream readings. I shit you not. She has a dream reading website dreamreadings.webs.com where you can pay to have a reading where nothing will make sense. You can pay to have someone make up something about your nonsensical dream. You can pay to have a lunatic, ramble unintelligently about what you dreamed about. I'm adding a link to that in the episode description because I think it's fucking hilarious.

It amuses me greatly. And that takes us out of this time-slick timeline. Good job, soldier. You made it back. Barely. Get back, barely. Okay, so now you know the backstory to the inspiration for Men in Black, the film franchise. Interesting stuff, do I believe it? Ah, no, no, I don't.

And I'll tell you why, because none of these sightings are given by anyone remotely credible. All of these people are just on the fringest of the fringe. You know, why couldn't the men and black approach like the owner of an accounting firm, or a physics professor, or an orthopedic surgeon, or someone who had never dabbled in UFO lore before?

Why couldn't someone like that see UFO? And then claim to see the men and black. Right? I can't find a single such incident. They only stand to visit people who are hoping to see that kind of shit, which is very suspicious. And you might think like, yeah, but those are the people who are digging to the closest to the truth. And that's why they had to shut them down.

Well, that's the other reason I don't believe it because they didn't shut them down. They would just give them like a fucking headache or leave when they hopped on the phone. That's like, that's not intimidating. I believe in the late 40s and 50s and maybe in the 60s, some you follow just and were questioned by government agents.

That makes sense to me. I think that's probably what happened and work were questioned by government agents that makes sense to me i think that's probably what happened they were questioned by some people wearing suits that may have been black and then you know they just greatly inbellished those stories uh... again i believe that could happen because you know those guys were worked up about communist and all kinds of stuff back then but uh... but but so what's it happened here some other explanations of the men and black aren't real,

they found from the web for Albert Bender in particular, some think that giving, you know, noting his de-abilitating migraines, dizzy spells and frequent kind of sulfur-based smells, that he may have suffered from epilepsy. There are roughly 40 variations of that neurological condition. Jacksonian epilepsy, you know,

can have symptoms including hallucinations, fear, light headedness, confusion, can result in phant, phantus, phantus, Mia, smelling something that isn't real, I probably fucked that up. I'm sure you'll let me know. It doesn't seem like that epilepsy would explain all of what Bender saw, you know, or claimed, but it could have been combined with some sort of mental illness, do just, you know, could have also just straight up lied to get some attention. I mean, people do that all the time.

Some mystics, some mystics field at the Men and Black can be an example of what's called in mystic circles as a Tulpa. A Tulpa is a being or object, which is created through spiritual or mental powers, essentially a willed imaginary friend that can act independently to your own consciousness. And it's not like that, you know, is a fact,

but some people believe, I don't know, who knows? Maybe that's what Bojangles Nimrod Lucifina, Pudian, JuJur, maybe the rest of the time, so characters, maybe they're told, but shit man, maybe I thought him up originally, but now they have independent consciousness, now they're out there, fucking smashing puppies are doing whatever they need to do. With this theory, the men in black could be supernatural manifestations of a fiercely imagined creation, you know, the feeds off emotion and belief in them. And so, and so maybe they, they, through this kind of hypothesis, you know, bendered, thought them up, but he was so focused on them, he kind of, you know, will them into existence essentially, you know, and that's why they're kind of stuck in that fifties look, because that's when he thought of them.

So they have the fifties kind of suit their wearin. Some also think that there are some kind of vampire sucking on our emotions, some kind of psychic vampire instead of blood. And then going with what I said earlier, you know, other people just think they are government officials, possibly working with the National Investigation Committee on aerial phenomena. It was established in 1956. And that was, I guess, one of the most well-respected of the various investigative groups. And this group had a reputation of taking things a bit too far when it interviewed witnesses. And, you know, so maybe they just, maybe this, you know, tried to intimidate some people. Who knows? Could have been time travelers is what some people think. Now, they could have been demons. Other people think.

If you watch any men in black video on the web and read the comment section, a lot of people think they're demons. You know, the demons capitalize on Bender's paranoia regarding FBI agents and manifest as such to pull him into the adorctus of the occult. That's the belief some people have. Who the hell knows. All I know is that I had a good time digging into this stuff into the origin of this particular bit of what I believe to be some modern folklore that ended up making the making his way into some good movies that I enjoyed.

So now let's take a look back. Let's take a look back at all this with some top five takeaways. Time, shock, tough, right, take away. Number one, while the Mori Island incident may have been the first modern Men and Black type siding, it was Albert Bender's story that cemented the Men and Black into UFO mythology canon. When his siding story was printed in Grey Barker's

1956 book, they knew too much about flying saucas. Number two, the Men and Black didn't seem very threatening. You know, they ruined breakfast for the more island guys. They gave bender headaches, but also gave them some sort of Antarctica sex massage. You know, they laughed in a way that bothered the Mossman reporter. They gave Dan Acquoit a stern look. If you're trying to be men in seeing men in black, you're not in a very good job. Number three, Raven Mendel seems absolutely fucking insane. I don't believe for a second she's ever seen anything.

She's a horrible hunter. He's a person who believes men in black, harassed her while she was tossing a frisbee. And now she works as a dream reader. She is a 100% wackadoodle. Number four, the government really did investigate UFO sightings in the 40s, 50s, 60s, possibly still do, who knows, could be some other secret group.

If there really are men in black, I'm guessing they get government health and retirement benefits. Number five, new info. Last week on May 6th, the Daily Star, a British tabloid reported that some YouTube uphologist snuck under the royal royal air force air forces Rudlow Manor and Bath a place that's come to be known in some circles as the UK's area 51 after secret files were released at the National Archives indicating the site was a center for UFO investigations in the 50s and these guys were chased away by some angry looking men who could either be men in black or security personnel who want those idiots to get the fuck off private property.

Time suck tough five take away. The men in black sucked. That was a nice little break man from the murder and despair we've had racing. Especially since we're having the next week's episode, well it's gonna be dark. You'll find out in a second. I needed that little, little palette cleanser. Thanks again to everyone who has downloaded my new stand up album, maybe on the problem from iTunes, Amazon, and Google Play.

Much appreciated. Thankful it's still been selling well and making people happy. Thanks to Harmony Velocamp, Jesse Dobner, Lindsey Cummins, Josh Crel, the entire time-soc team for their help. Huge thanks again. Oh yeah, and also, gosh dang it, I did this last week. I have my little kind of template of thanks, and I gotta get Alex Dugan. Gotta get his name, Alex Dugan as well, man, huge.

He's been kicking ass on email organization, and my sister again, Donna Hale, for helping research another episode. She's been doing a couple now lately. Next Monday, we go dark again with another space lizard voted in topic, those five dollar a month Patreon supporters, those secrets suck listers. They get to vote on topics in the app and they pick the first and third topics every month with their votes. Next Monday, they picked Japan's suicide forest. That was the vote winner for the second half of last month.

It looks like they're going to pick the golden state killer after that. It's way in the lead with one day left to vote. On 2003, 105 bodies were found in Japan's sea of trees, a forest on the northwestern flank of Japan's Mount Fuji, thriving on 30 square kilometers of hardened lava, laid down by the last major eruption of Mount Fuji in 864 CE. 78 dead bodies were found in this little patch of forest in 2002. In 2010, the police recorded more than 200 people having attempted suicide in that forest. 54 were successful or very unsuccessful. It's been on how you want to look at that. What the fuck is going on over there? We're going to suck into it. Good excuse to look into Japanese culture a bit and to remind everyone, don't fucking do

it. Find a reason to live. They are out there. And now let's find out what you suckers have been drawn into this past week. Uh, was some pretty funny time sucker updates. Updates. Get your time sucker updates. All right, some fun updates coming in from this from this past Friday's Jacksonville. Get your time, sucker updates.

Alright some fun updates coming in from this past Friday's Jack the Ripper episode. If you haven't listened to that episode yet, this is your spoiler alert. Spoiler alert for the Jack Ripper episode. Stop listing right now. Stop listing if you don't want to have one of the jokes in that episode ruin for you. I'm serious. This is your last chance. You're gonna ruin it for yourself. Okay, all right, even warned even warned time sucker

Brandy Trayer wrote in about a skeleton she found in her husband's family tree based on an episode Brady said dear team suck just finished the jack the ripper suck and all the syphilist talk reminded me of stories of my husband's grandmother. Apparently she had quote dementia and lived with them while he was a teenager. She would do things like forget who she was and others, you know, around her who they were. One day after running around with a steak knife threatening him and his sister, she cut the straps off her purse. When his mom rushed home after the knife chasing,

she was obviously called. Nana blamed my husband for the cut purse traps. There's lots of similar stories I've been told over the years. Having to take the stove knobs off when they left her in the house, taking the remote too, though she can't remember why. Just after my hubby and I started dating, my mother-in-law finally told us that Nana did not have dementia. She had an untreated case of syphilis.

We fucking lost it when she told us that Nana used to troll the shipyard at Navy base. Where they lived and must have contracted the disease but never got it treated. Once they took her to the doctor for her dementia, it was too late to do anything about it. Hope this story made you laugh as much as we did. Keep on bringing the good stuff. Your faithful space lizard Brady. It did make me laugh, Brady. I know someone getting dementia from Veneeral disease is not inherently funny, but when I read Nanna

used to troll the shipyard in Navy base, I lost it. And by the way, I don't know if this is the truth, but the way you phrased that story, it made it seem like later in life, she was trolling the Navy base. You know, like maybe like after she was already a Nana, she's just this, uh, kooger, you know, trolling somehow getting syphilis recently, uh, fairly recently. Man syphilis man, no joke. No joke. Actually though, it was a joke that some of you fell for and this is the

spoiler thing, uh, this last Friday and it made me so happy. Time sucker buck, I'm gonna leave his last name out of it for his privacy. Fell for my fake syphilis PSA. Writing in, Dear Master of the Suck, you goddamn son of a bitch. LOL, I'm listening to the Jack the Ripper the episode and you're ranting on and on about syphilis.

And I'm sitting at work thinking, oh shit. By the time you came around to say it was all made up I was on the verge of getting tested. You got me, fuck you and keep on sucking. I love it. I love what a roller coaster ride you got to go on buck right for a minute you're so worried. You're feeling sick to your stomach. Why did I do that? That wasn't worth it. I'm such an idiot. Then such sweet relief. You know, so for a second you're less happy than you were previous year, but then you get to be more happy than you were. So you're welcome. And you weren't the only one a friend of mine who listens whose name I won't give texted me over the weekend. someone who may or may not be part of the Middle-Lixer app design team wrote in saying thanks Dan I thought I had syphilis for a minute and if you want to make fun of me on Time suck feel free I'm an idiot and I deserve it. I love it so good let's do one more. This one came in just as I sat down in the

record. Long time listeners sent in the following message asked not to be named. And this is the last update for today. The subject was you suck in the worst way. I completely fell for the syphilis misdirection, the jack thripper suck and you had me worried. The one and only, well, I guess two and only time I ever have had sex without a condom was a few years ago. I allowed Lucifer to guide my general, into an experience with one of my co-workers the time after hanging out and going on a hike together. Long story short, she stayed the night and we had some fun. I didn't have a condom neither did she, but the dick was, but the dick was what it wants. Stupid.

Not long after I came to my senses and decided it was a bad plan to continue, we finished our evening, sands, hanky-panky, and got some rest. Then literally less than a week later, I was spending time with one of my best friends. We had on other occasions, had had sexual attention, but never went all the way. This night was the exception. I still had not bought any condoms. I wasn't expecting to get laid again less than a week. Same shit went down, though fortunately the I concluded with some amazing oral sex instead.

This all happened in June, 2016, just, just under two years to go. And I'm thinking shit, and this is based on what I'd said in Jack Herbert. The timeline is right. I do get itchy from time to time. I don't know about smell, but I'm for sure more tired lately,

although that's probably because of a new job with the e to wake up at 4 a.m. to beat LA traffic, you got me, Dan. I have for sure learned to always use protection, and if it's not available, go down on her instead. Even if, even if, even if all this shit you said was made up, the possibility spooked me enough to never even risk that shit again. Thanks a lot. Ha ha.

It makes me laugh so hard that this kind of stuff. And why I did that, why I had so much fun to do that, Mr. I've been there. I've taken, you know, when I was younger, several SD tests for some unwise decisions and waiting on those results is the absolute worst. One time, I got so worked up, I convinced myself that my pee burned, that burned on my pee, I convinced myself that I had some very unusual itching, I got so worked up, I ended up paying over a thousand dollars for extra blood work that the doctor didn't want me to do. I had to pressure the doctor into doing more blood work and I'm not getting, I pressure

the doctor, I insisted that he look inside my dick, like he didn't want to. He's like, you don't have it, I'm just looking, I was like, just he didn't want to he's like you don't have it I'm just look at I was like just look in there. He's like you don't have it. I'm just just open just would you just look in it Just look in it for a second and he like begrudgingly looked in there I was convinced turns out nothing all in my head everything came back negative So wrap it up time suckers wrap it up and that wraps up today's time sucker updates Thanks time suckers. I need a net. We all did. Have a great week everybody.

You time-soccer, you beautiful meat sacks. If you get followed by some men in black, don't worry about it. Just get some extra aspirin. Apparently, the headache is the worst. They can dish out and keep on sucking you