Timesuck with Dan Cummins - BONUS 6 - JFK Assassination Part 1 of 2

Episode Date: June 2, 2017

We know that on November 22nd, 1963, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, the 35th President of the United States, was assassinated at 12:30PM CST while traveling through Dallas, Texas, in a 1961 open-top, Lincol...n Continental convertible limousine. Why can't we all agree on who killed him or why he was killed? Listen in for the deepest suck yet! www.timesuckpodcast.com

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Starting point is 00:00:00 November 22nd, 1963. John Fitzgerald Kennedy, the 35th president of the United States, is assassinated while traveling to Dallas, Texas in a 1961 open top Lincoln Continental convertible limousine. The car is the second of three vehicles used by the Secret Service for the motorcade that day. It's driven by Secret Service agent Bill Greer, another Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman rides shotgun, governor of Texas, John Connelly, and his wife, Nelly, sitting in middle jumpsuit, and the president and his wife, Jackie, right in the back. At 12.30 p.m., central standard time,
Starting point is 00:00:34 Nelly turns to JFK and says, Mr. President, you can't say Dallas doesn't love you, which president, Kennedy acknowledges by saying, no, you certainly can't. And then, Jack found out that at least one person in Dallas didn't care for him at all. When according to the Warren commission and the House Select Committee on assassinations, Kennedy was waving to the crowds on his right with his right arm upraised on the side of the limo.
Starting point is 00:00:56 When a shot entered his upper back, penetrated his neck and slightly damaged his spine and lung before exy-naught to center of his throat, just beneath his larynx and nick the left side of his suit, Tyne Knot. He raises elbows and clinches fists in front of his face and neck, then lean forward and left. Mrs. Kennedy, facing her husband, put her arms around him in concern after this first bullet, roughly five seconds later, another shot hits the president, supposedly entering through the rear of his head, but somehow also blowing off the top of his skull and causing him to rock back and to the left.
Starting point is 00:01:29 Some say it's possible for a bullet to act that way, many others say absolutely not. And then Jackie starts to climb up and over the seat and tries to get out of the back of the car. She knows as anyone who's watched the subpooter film of the incident that John is long gone. We all now know definitely the JFK died that day, but very few agree as to how he died or as to why he died. JFK's life and death explored in this opening installment of the first two-part episode
Starting point is 00:02:01 in Time Sok History. Let's get curious, let's get presidential, let's get conspiratorial, and let's get sucked. You're listening to Time-Suck. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:14 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Happy Friday, Time-Suckers. It's a bonus suck for all you suck heads out there. I'm Dan Cummins, and you're listening to the 600 bonus review iTunes edition of Time Suck. And thanks for getting us all the way to 600 iTunes reviews. You guys, last I checked, the show was already at over 630 iTunes reviews.
Starting point is 00:02:35 So already making good progress to the 700 review episode, which will be Vlad the Impaler, aka Vlad Dracula, Dracula, the man behind the legend The man behind the legend to spawn the 1992 film based on the 1897 book Brahm Stoker's Dracula Where Kiano Reeves and explikably spoke like a 90s Southern California stoner while playing the 19th century British Solicitor Anyway, you don't end up as the basis for one of the most feared monsters of mankind's history
Starting point is 00:03:05 by being a nice guy. Dude did his best to bring the dark age just back into the 15th century with his torturous ways. Appreciate all the new subscriptions, the PayPal donations at timesugpodcast.com, so generous. And those of you who have been clicking on that Amazon button at timesugpodcast.com to do your Amazon shopping. Appreciate that as well. Loving all the pixie time suckers have been sending in
Starting point is 00:03:26 wearing that unicorn nut sack, you know, varies between three and 400% pure second generation time suck t-shirt. So many of you rocking the original 113% muskrat labia original. So good, so soft, so very, very soft. You can see some picks of time suckers wearing these beauties at Dan Cummins' comedy on Instagram.
Starting point is 00:03:47 That's at Dan Cummins' comedy on Instagram. I'll be posting more of those picks soon. And starting next week, I'm really excited. If you follow time suck on social media, at time suck podcast on Instagram and Twitter, backslash or slash time suck on podcast on Facebook, you can hear a sneak preview of 60 seconds of the following week's episodes.
Starting point is 00:04:06 It's gonna be a new thing. Very excited about introducing this new feature next week, just had it developed especially for the suck. So hoping to have, again, that first preview audio clip next Friday, June 9th at 9 a.m. Pacific Daylight time. So you can just suck, you know, just a bit of the Monday, June 12th episode before it comes out. And just suck, you know, just a bit of the Monday,
Starting point is 00:04:25 June 12th episode before it comes out. And then hopefully, you know, if you like it and you're trying to explain to others, you know, why they should listen, well, now you can share a little piece of the show before it comes out on social media with friends not familiar yet with the suck. Give them a little taste.
Starting point is 00:04:37 Let it hit their lips just for a second and then pull it back. Make them want to put the whole thing in their mouth. Wait, what am I even talking about right now? Thanks to time suckers, Haley, Adam Lombardo, Russell Clem, Brent Hall, Drew Fitzpatrick, Bjorn Wild, Derek Wright, Henry Waters, and whoever else asked for this episode that I may have missed, you sent me into a suck so big, I quickly realized one episode just wouldn't be enough
Starting point is 00:05:01 to suck, it couldn't fit the whole thing in my mouth. I mean, brain today. And before we get into part one of this great big pile of JFK, how about you grab a donut? It's a national donut day. Why not, man? I heard there's zero calories today.
Starting point is 00:05:16 I heard if you listen to this on Friday, as the Friday comes out, I hear it's national donut day and I hear that all donuts are zero calories. So go ahead and have 15 of them. It won't even fucking have phased you at all. And now, let's check in with some more time suckers with some time sucker updates. Updates, get your time sucker updates.
Starting point is 00:05:40 Adding on to Mondays, this past Monday's Shark episode is a great email I got from Aussie Sucker, Julia Cox. The subject line is Australian Suck Hardcore. I love it. And Julia says, here's this suck, I live near the beach in Australia. And we have sirens like tornado sirens to warn swimmers when sharks are in the ocean. That's f**king awesome. One time when I was only 10, I was having a swim one afternoon after school, along with
Starting point is 00:06:04 a heap of other swimmers, when the sirens went off warning me about sharks. I shit you not hardly anyone got out of the water. The guys swimming out in the deeper part came in a little, but the rest of us will like fuck it. My mother was there watching me swim while sirens were warning us of the sharks. Learned in the paper the next day, it was like a three meter, great white. Australians are hardcore. If that shit ain't biting my leg right now, then I don't need to worry about it.
Starting point is 00:06:30 Plus one time, I went to the thunder box at my man's place, and as I sat down, noticed a big ass snake just chilling in the water, trying to cool down in the 45 degrees Celsius heat. So basically, this episode, frightened any of these suckers, listening, you should warn them not to come to the coast
Starting point is 00:06:45 of Queensland because they'll fucking die. Keep on sucking the suck Cummins, Julia Cox. Gotta love this. Shark sirens going off. Australian swimmer's not giving a shit. You know, I have met a fair amount of Australians in my life, and they certainly seem to be a hardcore bunch.
Starting point is 00:07:01 I lived in an Australian neighborhood when I studied for a semester many years ago in London London and during the biggest binge drinking phase of my life, those Aussies made me look like an amateur. They made me look like I just had my first wine cooler. Also, a lot of Aussies seem to have no problem with a bar fight either. And quite fond of the word cunt. Not a dainty bunch down under. I also love thunder box to describe a toilet. Did not know that Aussie slang, but I will never forget it now. They're gonna drop some lightning in the thunder box.
Starting point is 00:07:31 Stay clear of the thunder box. I feel a storm coming. Guess in Julia, sad of the thunder box despite the snake. Glad that snake didn't attack your vagina, Julia. I assume it didn't. Or maybe it did, and you're just so casual with
Starting point is 00:07:46 animal violence and your tough Aussie way that you didn't even think that part of the story, which was worth mentioning. Head another snake go from a vag of the other day. I just slept in the saw and sat down and went to the box. Kudimup once I was done, used it for shock bait. Taught him around my wife, swam about until a shotgun closed and I have to poke him in the shotgun. It'll fucking wink anyway. Love it, Julia. Love it. Timesucker Ted Richard also added an update, leaving a comment on the Timesuck Podcast.com
Starting point is 00:08:12 message board saying, quick update, you stayed in the shark episode that there was only one predator larger than the great white shark orcas. Actually, the largest predator on the planet is the sperm whale. Well, I fact checked, and Ted is right. Yeah, sperm whale is the biggest predator. They eat giant and colossal squid, octopus, cuddlefish, variety of other fish. They're the largest of the toothed whales.
Starting point is 00:08:35 The largest toothed mammal to ever live on Earth. They can reach over 60 years of age up to 67 feet in length and weigh up to 130,000 pounds. And they primarily eat giant and colossal squids, which themselves can reach a length of roughly 40 feet. That's a colossal squid, and weigh over 1500 pounds. That's a lot of fucking, that's a colossal amount of calamari. Well, when I was researching last week,
Starting point is 00:09:03 I kind of had tunnel vision, I guess. And I was looking for predators that could attack a great white. And somehow I missed the sperm whale. Even though some websites do claim that sperm whales have attacked great whites, I don't feel like it's agreed upon by all scientists, all marine biologists,
Starting point is 00:09:17 but one website I found extreme science.com looks kind of legit. I'd give it a six out of 10 on the legit scale. Even claims that sperm whales with teeth up to 11 inches long, yeah, that they've eaten great whites. Sperm whales incidentally don't gobble up people and prefer the ocean depths as opposed to any place near a beach. So, I mean, clearly they're too big to accidentally bump into you anywhere near a beach.
Starting point is 00:09:39 But Melville's story of Moby Dick is based on tales of an albino sperm whale. In the 1840s known as Mokadick. So you think it'd be a brown, you think it'd be a brown well, but it's Mokadick. Mokadick, that sounds just not good. If your nickname is Mokadick, well I guess you know, if you're a handsome African American man and you get a nice Mokadick, I guess that's not negative. First, I pictured a white guy having a brown dick.
Starting point is 00:10:06 That seems negative. That seems like you should get that checked out. Anyway, this mocha dick seem to have a fondness for attacking whaling ships. They have sunk ships before, especially the wooden saling ships at the 15 through 19 centuries. So, you know, I guess they kind of have attacked
Starting point is 00:10:22 in a different way. Well, thanks to that now we know and now we have a new creature to fear. As we lay in bed at night and wonder how badly we'd freak the fuck out if we ended up bobbin' around stranded in the open sea. And time sucker Noah Saldana wrote in response to my plan of climbing a tree if ever chased by a bear. Apparently, that defense strategy is really, really bad.
Starting point is 00:10:42 Noah says, hey Dan Noah here again, I love the Shark Attack episode. I had nothing but praise for that episode until you got to your bear defense strategy is really, really bad. Noah says, hey Dan Noah here again, love the shark attack episode. I had nothing but praise for that episode until you got to your bear defense strategy. You said, if I saw a bear at least I can climb a tree. Well, I'm glad you've never gotten attacked by a bear because you'd be surprised to find out that they are excellent climbers. And we'll eat your ass. No pun intended is your ass would most likely be the first thing it's cease.
Starting point is 00:11:03 In reality, there are two defenses against bears and there are two different types of bears most commonly encountered. Against each bear do not run. You look like prey, carry bear spray and bear areas and spray them if they get too close for comfort. First against black bears, you want to look like a big animal and intimidate them. If you are attacked, fight like bojangles and a skunk ape who were mad over the last leg of Rodney Bobby's kid.
Starting point is 00:11:27 Oftentimes they will stop attacking because it is too much work as black bears are lazy. Again, no pun intended. Next we have Grizzly slash brown bears. Now with these bad mama jamas, you need to be allowed to announce your presence when you are in their territory where you might think there may be brown bears. Oftentimes the only reason they attack is because you're startled them, and they decided it's go time. Now, if you have bear spray, and they are, in fact,
Starting point is 00:11:50 being mauled by one of these grizzly bears, you should just curl up into the fetal position and cover your neck and act as dead as old Jeffrey and wait until you are no longer being attacked and the bear is gone, because if you get up and they see you are alive, and it just announced that you would like another dose, you've announced that you've just like another dose of grizzly teeth and claws.
Starting point is 00:12:08 These bears are known to watch and wait for victims to get back up. Anyways, just thought you should know, you're suckling. Noah, well thank you Noah. You know, I have heard of that playing dead strategy when I read horrific stories as a kid from an old book called Alaska Bear Tales, which doesn't make you want to like hike anytime soon after reading it. You know, where people like played dead and the grizzly bears smacked him around and snacked
Starting point is 00:12:31 on him. And sometimes it worked, but holy shit, how do you lie still when a fucking bear is attacking you? I don't think I'm not that good of an actor. I think if a bear was not on me, I probably, you know, scream a whole bunch, pry cry, pry back from mercy, maybe a rationally plead with a wild animal as if you get understamming. Just come on, come on buddy.
Starting point is 00:12:48 Come on, just come down. Just come fuck down. Look, if you want, if you want to come down, you know, I'm on your team. I don't even care. I don't even care the almost bit my leg off. Just, it's cool, it's fine. Just let me, let me,
Starting point is 00:13:01 limp back to camp to tell people how cool it was. That's how I it is, please. I don't know. I like to look big and scare the black bear policy, though, I do like that. Hopefully I don't ever have to deal with either situation. All this bear talk makes you want to just take my chances in the water now, actually.
Starting point is 00:13:18 At least you tend to die quickly with a shark instead of being used as some kind of living chute toy by Grizzly. And finally, update from Lindsey Cummins, my wife. She had no interest in this podcast initially, but then my kids started listening, a few episodes in the car. Now she is also hooked.
Starting point is 00:13:34 Now she's a time sucker. Took her a while to admit it, but she is. Strangely, she has very little interest still and hearing what I say in regular life. Oh well, she forwarded me a dark web article that my buddy Scott Long, another time-soaker, sent me later the same day. And it's that Ross Obrecht, the founder of the Darknet
Starting point is 00:13:52 Marketplace known as Silk Road, we talked about this in the dark web episode, lost just the other day his appeal of a 2015 conviction that has some serving of life sentence on drug trafficking and money laundering charges. According to Federal Appeals Court decision that was released Wednesday morning, May 31, you know, Ulbrich argued that the district court that convicted and violated his Fourth Amendment rights, which protects against unreasonable searches and seizures.
Starting point is 00:14:15 But the appeals court ruled the search warrant for Ulbrich's laptop, as well as warrants for his Facebook and Google accounts, were not overly broad and did not violate his Fourth Amendment rights, sending libertarian freedom fighters into fucking tizzy pants. And you know, a new study also shows the Ulberg sentencing may not have deterred those looking to buy narcotics online. Darknet trade actually saw sales bump following the news of Ulberg's life sentence, according to Wired magazine.
Starting point is 00:14:42 And apparently the fact is the lead agent on the multi-departmental team to bring down Ross, DEA agent Carl Mark Forse IV, pled guilty to extortion, money laundering, obstruction for justice for acts he committed during the investigation to Albright, didn't make the judge rethink his sentence. And if you wonder, if you want to understand how fucking stupid I think Ross's life sentence was
Starting point is 00:15:01 and how futile the current war on drugs is, just go back and listen to that dark web episode. And then also time sucker Andrew Weingard, or Wigan, excuse me, from New Hampshire added regarding Ross, not that he isn't a bad dude for trying to get someone whacked, which he also literally did. But basically what he got busted for was hosting a venue. It would be like sending the McDonald's CEO to prison
Starting point is 00:15:21 because two people met in the McDonald's to plot a crime. Everything about that case is fishy. To me, the life sentence is a huge tell about how fearful the state is of something they can't control. Honestly, I think that's the real heart of the matter. Looking forward to sucking this week's suck later, dude. I agree, Andrew. I mean, I mean, McDonald's isn't a legal in nature
Starting point is 00:15:38 like Ross's, well, I guess, you know, his store wasn't a legal in nature. He would just set it up a store where you could sell whatever you wanted, it could be illegal. So that's actually a great analogy. And I do think the feds made an example of old Ross, you know? The story wasn't illegal in nature. He would just set it up a store where you could sell whatever you wanted. It could be illegal. So that's actually a great analogy. And I do think the feds made an example of old Ross. I really do.
Starting point is 00:15:49 I think you know, you diddle some kids. You're gonna get a slap on the wrist. Probably be out in a year or two. But you create an alternate economy running on some kind of cryptocurrency that the IRS doesn't get to tax. Oh boy. You're an enemy of the fucking state now.
Starting point is 00:16:03 All right. Well, thank you for the updates everyone. And also, if I didn't get to yours, there's still a chance I'll read on a future episode. I do read everything sent to admin at timessockpodcast.com. Your email's post, social media messages means so much. The post on the message board,
Starting point is 00:16:16 I've been exhausted a bunch of times and words that I wouldn't get in Monday's episode done in time or not at least in the way I wanted it to be done. And then I read a few more inspiring messages. I see the listeners should continue to grow, which means you're sharing this thirst. We have to cure us with your friends. It means that much to you. I get a second win.
Starting point is 00:16:32 I really do. You guys have to fucking best fans anyone could ask for. I've been meeting time suckers at shows recently, more and more, talking to you guys afterward and continually reminded just how open-minded, curious, kind, and fucking incredible you people are. And I know you want more. I get those emails like footnotes to articles so you can discuss them with your friends and kind of do further suck on your own.
Starting point is 00:16:53 You want more episodes. I really do hope to get to all that in time. Really just keep spreading the suck and this show will keep growing and I'll be able to create the infrastructure I need and kind of hire the help I need to turn this into the best possible version of what I want it to be. It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. I'm gonna be positive.
Starting point is 00:17:11 But the first time in my life, feed me C-more, right? It makes me work that much harder to try and give you guys a good show, a community you can be proud of. So now let's get away from bears and sharks and the dark web. And let's get into creatures even more dangerous and life threatening, and that's politicians. Next time suckers, I need a net. We all did. All right, JFK.
Starting point is 00:17:34 JFK is the most recent of four US presidents to have been assassinated. All of them killed by gunshot incidentally. Abraham Lincoln, 16th president, James Garfield, the 20th president, William McKinley, the 25th president, James Garfield, the 20th president, William McKinley, the 25th president, and then JFK, the 35th president. Abe Lincoln was shot on the evening of April 14th, 1865 by actor and Confederate sympathizer John Wilkes Booth at Ford's theater in Washington, DC, just five days after Confederate general Robert E. Lee surrendered
Starting point is 00:18:02 his massive army at that courthouse in Virginia, effectively ending the American Civil War. Quick note on both. He wasn't just some dinner theater actor, which is for some reason what I belive previously. He was actually one of the highest paid and most well-known theater leading men of his day earning the equivalent of over half a million a year by the late 1850s. Described by critics as a handsome, muscular, energetic and riveting performer with whom women were especially fond of, and then he killed the president. Can you imagine the equivalent today? Can you imagine the immediate shit storm?
Starting point is 00:18:34 Something like that happened. Like what if Trump went to watch Christian bail on set and then bail snuck up behind him in a break and just fucking blast him in the back of the fucking head? That would be the biggest story of all time. I mean, oh my God. You know, and then Booth fled and was shot to death 12 days later after being tracked to a Virginia farm.
Starting point is 00:18:53 And then on, let's get to Garfield on July 2nd, 1881, attorney Charles Guto, a furious over having his request to be appointed to President James Garfield's administration be denied, snuck up on Garfield at the now closed Baltimore and Potomac Railroad Station in Washington DC shot in twice in the back. First bullet craze is armed, second lodged below his pancreas and Garfield never recovered from the wounds and then he died much later on September 19th. So he suffered for a while. Uh, Gatou was, uh, was hanged for the killing on June 30th, 1882, uh, even though he was rumored to have been framed by normal, as pointed
Starting point is 00:19:33 out by Odie Garfield, the cat references. Who loved it? No one. Okay. Sounds about right. And there's McKinley on September 6, 1901, President William McKinley, shaken hands at the Pan American exhibit in Buffalo, New York, went a 28 year old anarchist named Leon Chegos, approaches him and fires two shots in his chest. President Rose Slyland on his toes before collapsing forward saying, be careful how you tell my wife. That's crazy. Chegos moved over to the president with the intent of firing a third shot, but was wrestled to the ground by McKinley's bodyguards. McKinley still conscious, told the guards not to hurt his assailant. Other presidential attendants rushed McKinley to the hospital where they found two bullet wounds. Uh, one bullet had superficially punctured his sternum and the other had dangerously
Starting point is 00:20:17 entered his abdomen. He was rushed into surgery, seemed to be on the mend, uh, by September 12, but then later that day the president's condition worsened rapidly. And on September 14th, he died from gang green that had gone undetected in the internal wound. Vice President Theodore Roosevelt was immediately sworn in as president. Well, Chagos, a Polish immigrant grew up in Detroit and it worked as a child laborer and a steel mill. And as a young adult, he gravitated towards socialist and anarchist ideology, claimed to have killed McKinley because he was the head of what Chagos thought was a corrupt government. Chagos was convicted and executed in electric chair on October 29th, 1901.
Starting point is 00:20:51 The Unrepetent's killers last words were, quote, I killed the president because he was the enemy of the good people, the working people. And then of course, President John Fitzgerald Kennedy, who was shot again on November 22nd, 1963 in Dallas. By suspected coming to sympathizer, Lee Harvey Oswald, who allegedly fired three shots from the sixth floor of a book depository, I'd say allegedly because unlike the previous three examples where the killer was not disputed, many don't believe Oswald actually shot Kennedy. Oswald himself never got to share his side of the story, not in court. After being captured, he was shot two days later
Starting point is 00:21:26 by a man named Jack Ruby, a man suspected of mafia and CIA ties. We're gonna look in detail and do what we know about how Kennedy died that day and what others think they know about how he died. But before examining Kennedy's extremely controversial death, let's take a good look at his fascinating life, starting at his birth
Starting point is 00:21:44 and do a prominent political family with the time-suck timeline Boots soldier were marching down a time-suck timeline May 29th 1917 John Fitzgerald, known in his family as Jack, is born in Brookline, Massachusetts, a wealthy suburb of Boston. He's a second of Rose and Joseph Kennedy's nine kids. My God, nine kids, how do people ever do that? He was born into privilege.
Starting point is 00:22:16 His dad, Joe, had made a large fortune as a stock market and commodity investor and then later rolled over the profits into real estate and other industrial investments. He also helped to restructure several Hollywood studios and made good money over and La La Land as well. He was politically connected and become the US ambassador to the United Kingdom under President Roosevelt from 1938 to 1940. He negotiated contracts from Portine Scotch Whiskey from Scotland with FDR
Starting point is 00:22:40 son James Roosevelt made a bunch of money there. His company, Somerset Importers, became the exclusive American agent for Gordon's gin and doer scotch. So he's he's he's fucking he was killing it. And he did a lot of other shit. Intelligent powerful connected dude who was also born in the privilege JFK's grandfather, his paternal grandfather was Patrick Joseph PJ Kennedy son of Irish Catholic immigrants born in Boston in 1858. PJ would become the owner of several saloons who established whiskey importing relationships. His son Joe would would later profit greatly from. Beginning in 1884, he converted his popularity into five consecutive one-year terms in the
Starting point is 00:23:16 Massachusetts House of Representatives, followed by three two-year terms in the Massachusetts Senate. Established himself as one of Boston's principal Democratic leaders. He waslished himself as one of Boston's principal Democratic leaders. He was invited to give one of the second-earned speeches for Grover Cleveland at the party's 1888, National Convention in St. Louis. So you know, JFK was born into a wealthy family with decades old political experience
Starting point is 00:23:36 and relationships on his paternal side. You know, you can relate, right? It reminds me a lot of my own childhood, born to a logger and waitress in the mountains of Idaho, grandchild to a pastor and a pastor's wife on one side, a postal worker and some ill employee who was once the mayor of Riggins, Idaho as well on my mom's side, you know, typical elite American childhood. JFK's mom originally rose Elizabeth Fitzgerald was also politically connected.
Starting point is 00:24:02 Her father, JFK's maternal granddad, was the original JF John Francis Fitzgerald was also politically connected. Her father, JFK's maternal granddad, was the original JF John Francis Fitzgerald. He was the mayor of Boston for two terms and Massachusetts congressman, son of a successful Boston businessman, Thomas Fitzgerald. He was also an early patron of the baseball team. Now known as the Red Sox, I've heard of him. JFK's grandfathers were actually
Starting point is 00:24:22 a Boston political rivals at one point. Rose was also a well-educated Boston socialite. She traveled Europe extensively, studied at the Manhattanville College of the Sacred Heart, now known as Manhattanville College. So, you know, JFK was raised by worldly, educated, politically connected people, a perfect incubation for a future president. You know, I know, let's talk lately about like political outsiders, but in how people longed for a political outsider, which you know how Trump, you know, let's talk lately about like political outsiders, but in how people longed for a political outsider, which you know how Trump, you know,
Starting point is 00:24:46 partially got elected, I actually longed for a political insider powerful enough to change a system he or she actually understands. You know, the concept of a true outsider has always been a little idiotic to me, you know, because you wouldn't let someone who's never driven a scooter, let alone a four-clift, become a heavy equipment operator,
Starting point is 00:25:04 or the supervisor of all heavy equipment operation. I hope not. You wouldn't let someone who's never taken a genre to class, let alone a study of engineering, design a bridge. But why do we think it's a good idea to have someone with no political experience to be put in charge of the world's biggest and most complex political system? I hope someday we get a president who is of career politician, but has somehow been strong enough not to let the system corrupt him or her against the interests of the common working class citizen.
Starting point is 00:25:28 And now, even if we do get that person, how much will be able to accomplish in an outdated broken system is a whole another matter. I know there's a lot of fix and to be done. Another discussion for another time, so I can talk about our government in general, perhaps. Or, maybe we should just put both jangles in charge of fucking everything. Both jangles for dictator, three legs, one eye, one vision for an America where pit bulls are seen as equals, if not superiors, to all of the breeds of dogs. And no longer viewed primarily as the violent guardians of trailer parks and soon to be abandoned drugshecks. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:26:00 Man, you back, back to reality. JFK was born into what would become a huge family. He had one older brother, Joseph Jr., a man who the family thought would be the one to grow up to be present. His dad was groomed Joseph Jr. to be present someday, a man who while serving in the armed forces and World War II became one of the most experienced fighter pilots in the Navy. Unfortunately, explosives that were carried in his plane detonated early killed the young Navy lieutenant on August 12, 1944 at the age of 29, again in World War II.
Starting point is 00:26:27 And then they have seven younger siblings. There was Rose, a vivacious young woman who may have been developmentally delayed, albeit or maybe just wasn't as intellectual as her siblings. Or perhaps she was just quirky and eccentric. She was definitely young and beautiful and had a bright future ahead of her until an entirely avoidable tragedy struck. She fought with her parents because of, again, some kind of personality, some people think it was developmentally delayed, some people just think she didn't belong with the folks.
Starting point is 00:26:55 And at the age of 23, I was given a prefrontal lobotomy. Remember those from the Insane Asylum Times, like I've said, in the days when having differing political opinions could land you in a mental institution Well old doctor ice pick mitt brain stabber got a hold of her botched a procedure a procedure that's fucking inherently botched to begin with and And her mental capacity was reduced to that of a two-year-old child for the rest of her life She lost control of her ability to control her bowel movements, and she'd spend the rest of her life in an institution. She lived to be 86, which sadly seems as cruel in her case as JFK's life ending too soon. There was Sister Kathleen, a popular socialite named Britain's debutant of 1938 by the local press, who would marry Lord Harrington,
Starting point is 00:27:43 Hortington, Lord Hortington, while her father served as ambassador to the UK, a man who would marry Lord Harrington, Lord Harrington, while her father served as ambassador to the UK, a man who would be killed by sniper fire in World War II. His family experienced a lot of tragedies around World War II. Kathleen would die herself in a plane crash over the south of France shortly after the war in 1948. There was younger sister Eunice, who would go on to become the mother of Maria Schreiber. The mother-in-law of Arnold Schwarzenegger, the governor, the governor.
Starting point is 00:28:07 She'd marry Sergeant Schreiber, who was the United States ambassador to France during the Lyndon Johnson presidency and the Democratic Vice-Presidential candidate in the 1972, U.S. presidential election in 1962. She would found Camp Schreiber, which evolved into the Special Olympics in 1968. Man, she died of a stroke in 2009 at the age of 88. A lot of accomplishments in this family. There was sister Patricia Kennedy, Patricia it would grow up to become a Hollywood film producer
Starting point is 00:28:34 and Mary actor Peter Lofford for 12 years. You may remember Peter's name from the Marilyn Monroe episode when I referenced the Kennedy's possible connection to her death. Well Patricia would die of pneumonia in 2006 at the age of 82. It was younger brother Bobby. Bobby Kennedy. Robert Francis Kennedy would be born on November 20th, 1925, eight years after JFK. He deserves a full time suck, himself.
Starting point is 00:28:57 He go on to become one of JFK's most trusted advisors. He become Attorney General, a US Senator, and he'd be shot three fucking times and killed just after midnight on June 5th, 1968, after winning the California primary to hopefully become the Democratic candidate for president in that fall election. There was younger sister Jean. Born in 1928, she's the founder of Very Special Arts and internationally recognized nonprofit dedicated to creating a society where those with disabilities can engage with the arts in 2011 she was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom Nations High Civilian Honor by President Barack Obama for her work with the BSA and the disabled. She is the only sibling still alive. She was a US ambassador to Ireland from 1993 to 1998. It was
Starting point is 00:29:41 instrumental to the Northern Ireland peace process granted honorary Irish citizenship in 1998 in recognition of her service to Ireland. And then there was the youngest kid Ted Kennedy. He was like many of his siblings and Ivy Lee grad, Teddy entered the Senate in November 1962 after a special election to fill the seat once held by his brother, J.F.K., who vacated the seat, you know, to become president. He was elected to a full six year term in 1964 and was elected seven more times. That's a long time. He was a third sibling to run for president,
Starting point is 00:30:10 running in 1980 in the presidential election, losing to a Democratic primary to incumbent Jimmy Carter. So as you can see, JFK was born into an exceptionally talented family. Amazing how accomplished they all became with the tragic exception of the lobotomized rows, who basically spent 60 years staring off into the middle distance. Good God. So that's the siblings. Now back to John himself, February 2019, 20, young John Kennedy contracted scarlet fever, which often killed small kids in those days. He was hospitalized for over a month. Little Jack was
Starting point is 00:30:43 very often sick as a child. The family would joke about the great risk a mosquito would take and biting him. Some of his blood, and mosquito was almost sure to die. Dark humor in the Kennedy family. I like it. September 19, 27, in the fall of 1927, Joe moves the family from Brookline, Massachusetts to Riverdale, an upper middle class neighborhood in the Bronx, a burrow of New York City. John and his siblings attend private school there. Two years later, Joe moves the family again to Bronxville, an affluent suburb 15 miles north Manhattan. The family would spend summers at another home, which will become known as the Kennedy compound in the wealthy coastal
Starting point is 00:31:19 community of High and his port, Massachusetts. And then they would spend we know winter breaks, you know, just, you, just at another house, another big compound, Palm Beach, Florida. So basically, Joe Kennedy is just killing life. They're a very wealthy family. September 1930 JFK begins attending the Canterbury School in New Millford, Connecticut, a very prestigious Catholic college preparatory school
Starting point is 00:31:39 for his eighth grade year. Notable alumni include William Randolph Hurst, the third, a member of the Hurst fortune, where the couple of billion dollars, you know, you got some, you got some dough. Joseph Campbell, author of the hero with 1000 faces and several other works, and one of the great literary minds of the 20th century,
Starting point is 00:31:57 and a whole bunch of other smart people. But JFK doesn't last long there. In April 1931, he has an appendectomy, after which he withdraws from Canterbury, recuperates at home. He would battle illnesses and wounds for the rest of his life pretty much. In September 1931, for his freshman year, JFK attends Chote Rosemary Hall, commonly known as Chote, a private elite boarding school in Wallenford, Connecticut.
Starting point is 00:32:20 Notable alumni include actors Glenn Close, Michael Douglas, Jamie Lee Curtis, Paul Jimati, Donald Trump's daughter, Ivanka, Dove Charnie, the founder of American Apparel, numerous CEOs, Olympians, artists, poets, the cream of the crop. It's like a winter factory to make the list notable alumni, which is several pages long. I'll just on a tone to this point. You have to like win an Oscar at Nobel Peace Prize, you know, or I'd be either like the president of the kid or president, cure cancer. You know, it's basically a lot like where I went to school.
Starting point is 00:32:48 Sem River High in Riggins, Idaho, who's notable alumni, include my mom, my grandma, my aunt, my sister, me, a bunch of other people who can read and write and pronunciate kind of good and lots of other cool stuff you guys. So you know, same diff. JFK's older brother Joe is already a student at Chote when John gets there. A big man on campus, popular football player, John was charismatic in his own right. And despite suffering from colitis, culminated with his emergency hospitalization at New Haven Hospital in 1934, he was voted
Starting point is 00:33:19 most likely to succeed out of his graduating class. Incidentally, I was also voted most likely to succeed in 1995 at Samurai School. Again, a public school composed of about 80 kids who sometimes shut up to class, and we had teachers that sometimes had degrees and occasionally physically assaulted students. So, you know, kind of a JFK-ish childhood again myself, kind of went to a chow-ish type of school. 1935 Kennedy travels to London with his family after graduation, intending to study at the London School of Economics, but health problems forced him to return to the States where he enrolls in Princeton.
Starting point is 00:33:51 You know his plan B. You know you're on the inside track in life when you end up going to Princeton because shit didn't work out exactly like you hoped. In 1935, Kennedy briefly attended Princeton, but had to leave after two months due to John Disbrought on by more gastrointestinal troubles. So really, really what's sick a lot growing up. In September 1936, Kennedy enrols in Harvard. I've heard of
Starting point is 00:34:12 it. And his application, essay, states, the reasons that I have for wishing to go to Harvard is several. I feel that Harvard can give me a better background and a better liberal education than any other university. I've always wanted to go there. As I have felt that it is not just another college, but it is a university with something definite to offer. Then too, I would like to go to the same college as my father. To be a Harvard man is an enviable distinction. And one that I sincerely hope I shall attain.
Starting point is 00:34:41 You know, my thoughts on college were a little different. I went to Gonzaga University because my family was poor and they gave me the most financial aid, even though I really wanted to go to Hawaii Pacific University because I wanted to hang out on the beach. I don't remember what my application said, but I'm sure it wasn't that good, that well written. Probably something like, please help me get out of Rickens.
Starting point is 00:34:58 I don't want me getting drunk in the woods with my friends 40 and still talking about a high school. I am ashamed. I couldn't make varsity basketball or football in a small town still talking about high school. I am ashamed. I couldn't make Varsity basketball or football in a small town in a tiny high school. I would like to redeem myself. I hope I tame distinction of things, of not doing better things,
Starting point is 00:35:16 sincerely me. Anyway, at Harvard, he had a fairly normal college education here in the spot on the Varsity swimming team, also sailed in the, in the star class and won the 1936 Nan Tucket Sound Star Championship. Sailing isn't a sport for privileged white kids. I don't know what is.
Starting point is 00:35:34 In July, 1937, Kennedy sailed to France, sailed to fucking France, taking this convertible, you know, just college stuff. Spent 10 weeks driving through Europe, and pregnanting roughly 1, thousand European women along the way. Which I say a thousand I'm at a hundred thousand. It's estimated that 15% of Europeans are now direct descendants of that road trip.
Starting point is 00:35:53 I bet he did have so much sex. He was a young JFK who had just sailed a convertible to Europe. My God. And June 1938 Kennedy sailed overseas with his father and older brother to work on the American embassy in London. 1939, 1939, Kennedy toured Europe, Soviet Union, the Balkans, Middle East, and preparation for his Harvard senior honors thesis, 1940, Kennedy completed his thesis at Harvard, a Peasment and Munich.
Starting point is 00:36:18 It's called about British participation and the Munich agreement. The thesis became a bestseller under the title Why England Slept. It was a bestseller sold 80,000 copies, so now he's a successful published author at 23 years old. Kennedy graduated cum laude from Harvard University with the Bachelor of Arts in Government in the spring of 1940, concentrating on international affairs. That fall, he enrolled to the Stanford Graduate School of Business and Audited classes there. And then in early 1941, Kennedy left and helped his father write a memoir. I was three years as an American ambassador. He then traveled throughout South America.
Starting point is 00:36:51 His itinerary included Columbia, Ecuador, and Peru. And 70% of South Americans are now directly related to JFK. You look at a young Colombian's jawline and you tell me you don't see a little fucking Kennedy right there. Also while 1940 Kennedy had attempted to enter the army's officer candidate school but was medically disqualified due to his chronic lower back problems, which he also had. He just had kind of had a little bit of everything. He exercised for months though then to straighten his back.
Starting point is 00:37:20 And on September 24, 1941, we know the help of that exercise and the help of the director of the office of Naval Intelligence, who has family connection, Kennedy joined the United States Naval Reserve. Now, this is the kind of stuff I loved about JFK. He could have easily coasted on Daddy's money, but uh-uh, he chooses to enlist. And he could have easily just avoided the war, man, a bad back and a wealthy, politically connected dad,
Starting point is 00:37:43 you don't have to fucking fight, you know, that's just reality. But in January 1942, Kennedy's assigned to the Office of Naval Intelligence, O and I, field office at their headquarters, sixth naval district in Charleston, South Carolina. He attends Naval Reserve, officer training school at Northwestern University in Chicago, Illinois, from July 27 to September 27, and then voluntarily enters the Motor Torpedo Boat Squadron Training Center in Melville, Rhode Island. Not only has he enlisted, he's going to battle. He's not signing up for the mess hall. He's not signing up to hang out with the Coast Guard back in Massachusetts, you know, to sit
Starting point is 00:38:17 on the beach in the summer. Dude was, God, he was courageous, man. Signed up to run a torpedo boat. And because of this decision, he ends up becoming a war hero. All right, 1943 in April 1943, Lieutenant Junior Gray JFK, aka Jack Kennedy, the PT Boat Commander is assigned to motor to our PTO Boat Squadron 2. On April 24, Kennedy took command of PT109, which was based at Tologgi Island, the Solomon Islands, on the night of August 1st, going into the second, PT-109 on his 31st mission,
Starting point is 00:38:47 was performing nighttime patrols in the Blacklet Strait near New Georgia in the Solomon Islands with PT-162 and PT-169. Kennedy sponsored Japanese destroyer nearby, attempts to turn back to attack it. When his PT-109 is rammed suddenly at an angle in the dark, moonless night, cut in half by a destroyer,
Starting point is 00:39:06 costing two PT crew members their lives. Their bodies are never found. As the destroyer hits his boat, Kennedy thinks, this is how it feels to be killed. He's thrown from the cockpit. The section of boat, Kennedy was on, stayed afloat, and he found four of his 12 crew members, still on it, six more scattered in the water,
Starting point is 00:39:23 but still alive. Kennedy put in that varsity Harvard swim team now as to use jumps into the dark water, following the agonizing shouts of the crew, finds a badly burned engineer, MacMayan. Now, Kennedy toes MacMayan towards the other nine surviving crew members, and has them vote on whether to fight or surrender.
Starting point is 00:39:41 Kennedy stated, there's nothing in the book about a situation like this. A lot of you men have families, and some of you have children. What do you want to do? I have nothing to lose, because he's a bad ass. It shows not to surrender, waited amongst the floating wreckage of their ship
Starting point is 00:39:56 for rescue when daylight came, and then noon, still no rescue. The base is 40 miles away, feeling vulnerable to being discovered by Japanese, probably a little word about sharks, I don't know. The men chose to swim to a small deserted island nearby. Nine of the crew held onto a two by six timber kicked and paddled their way to the island. Kennedy bit down on a strap from McMayan's life vest and fucking towed him to the island. What do you think Oliver
Starting point is 00:40:22 Stone was directing him that day? My god, saving a dude's life in the South Pacific. No big whoops. That's just JFK being JFK. That's just classic Jack. The men made it to the little island, hit under some trees, the Japanese patrol boats and barges, floated on by. No US boats had come by to rescue them that night.
Starting point is 00:40:39 By that night, Jack decides to swim out alone, cause he's a hero, DeFerguson's passage, a mile and a half away, because PT boats off and patroled there after dark, took know, because he's a hero, to Ferguson's passage a mile and a half away because PT boats often patroled there after dark, took a land and wrapped in a life jacket to signal with the boat, you know, with swim out in the dark by himself took two and a half hours to get where he needed to get. Then he treads water for a while,
Starting point is 00:40:57 to eventually see some flares of action about 10 miles away. He knew that the PT boats had taken a different route. He tried swimming back to this man, but he's exhausted. Can't fight the currently longer. Drifts out into the open sea, passes out. Currents twirl him around throughout the night, eventually leading him back near the island where his crew was stranded. He swam back to the beach, collapsed into the arms of his crew. And then the next night, he set off from the island again to find help.
Starting point is 00:41:21 This time in a dugout canoe, him and another crew member had found on the island, but that canoe took on water and they almost drowned trying to get back. Finally, they're discovered by Melonnesian natives. They carried an SOS message from Kennedy to an Australian Navy coast watcher, Reg Evans, Reg Evans, Ace Reg Voyet, who was working behind enemy lines. He radioed the U.S. Navy for assistance and Kennedy and his men were saved. Kennedy was later awarded the Navy and Marine Corps medal for heroism. Of course he was. And the Purple Heart for his injuries hurt him as back further in the incident. Between his back and other health ailments, his brother Robert would later say of JFK,
Starting point is 00:41:59 at least half of the days he spent on this earth, with days of intense physical pain. He had scarlet fever when he was young and serious back trouble when he was older, but I never heard him complain. Apparently, uh, his brother was, uh, was an Australian guy raised in Boston. That's, that's how that accident happened. Uh, after his heroism, JFK continues to serve in the Navy. And then on September 1, 1943, Kennedy returns to duty.
Starting point is 00:42:22 Ah, he's not done yet. Take command of the PT 59, which is a PT boat that they converted into a gunboat An October Kennedy was promoted to lieutenant on November 2nd PT 59 Which included three former PT 109 crew members took part with another boat in successful rescue of 87 more Marines stranded on two rescue landing craft on the warrior river at Choizule Island, which was held by the Japanese. And then under Dr. Dorders, Kennedy was relieved of his command of PT59 on November 18th, and he returned to the US in early January 1954.
Starting point is 00:42:57 After receiving treatment for his back injury, he was released from active duty in late 1944, began in January 1945. Kennedy spent three more months recovering from more back injuries and castle hot springs, it's resort temporary military hospital Arizona. You know, it's crazy, I read this one thing too, one of his like military superior said that where a lot of soldiers would fake being sick to get out of kind of, you know,
Starting point is 00:43:18 have to do what they're supposed to do, that JFK would fake being well. He was constantly fake and being well, trying to convince everybody that he wasn't hurt. Man, what an impressive dude. 1945, in April 1945, Kennedy's father, who was a friend of William Randolph Hearst, arranged a position for his son as a special correspondent for Hearst newspapers. The assignment kept Kennedy's name and the public eye and exposed him to journalism as a possible
Starting point is 00:43:41 career. It worked as a correspondent at that May, covering the Potsdam Conference, the other events. 1946 at the origin of his father, John, aka Jack and his politics running for and winning a seat in the US House of Representatives, where the young handsome Moore hero would serve from 1947 to 1953 and represent Massachusetts 11th District. 1952, while serving as congressman and after sleeping with roughly 35% of all women living on the US Eastern seaboard between the ages of 16 and 45 during the previous five years. JFK meets Jacqueline Lee Bovier, a young socialite from wealthy family who liked Jack, had dabbled in journalism and unlike Jack, probably was not riddled with
Starting point is 00:44:23 STDs. She had interned as a junior editor at Vogue Magazine, while in college later briefly worked as an interviewer at the Washington Times, Harold briefly engaged to a stockbroker before meeting JFK. A tour introduced by a mutual friend, journalist Charles L. Bartlett at a dinner party. Bartlett, I put Bartlett in party there at a dinner party. They bonded over a shared Irish Catholic upbringing, Both had spent extensive time abroad in Europe. Both were super hot and both came from families that shit gold coins for breakfast in the morning. It was a match made in heaven. I don't know why you'd eat gold coins in one of the shit, but it felt good coming out of my mouth.
Starting point is 00:45:01 1953 Jack's elected senator by this time most children in Washington DC under the age of five are Jack's children. In the first few years of his time in the Senate, he underwent several operations on a spine. Jack's womanizing may have actually been directly related to his poor health and a weird way. In addition to his heroism, back in 1936, when the 19 year old was in the hospital, when doctors were trying to control his colitis, one of his many ailments, one whose symptoms include mild to severe abdominal pain and tenderness, recurring bloody diarrhea, fecal incontinence, flatulence fatigue, loss of appetite, unexplained weight loss. He wrote his diary, took a peek at my chat yesterday and could see that they were mentally
Starting point is 00:45:39 measured me for a coffin. Each drink can make all of, again, I'm an Australian, each drink and make all of, again, again, I want Australian, each drink and make all of as tomorrow, next week, we attend my funeral. Well, see, he was worried about dying at a young age and he overcame a fear of death at an early age, you know, he just couldn't remember time. He didn't feel like death could be right around the corner and he really went for that carpet a deem kind of psychologically because of that. Maybe again, kind of helped make him a hero in a bad way, kind of made him a womanizer
Starting point is 00:46:04 where he just like, he just was always thinking that he could die at any second and he was just going to get the most he could after every day, you know. You know, a lot of people could have taken that woe as me route, you know, he took the fuck it, not dead yet, so let's do some shit. And again, definitely do a fault when it came to his marriage since, you know, part of season the day became a season of a variety of attractive young women much more on that later with his his room or to fairs But now he's accomplished, you know what what he did or but I'm sorry But how he accomplished what he did with constant health problems is beyond impressive to me like he almost died with scarlet fevers a toddler had many more brushes with death after that throughout his life
Starting point is 00:46:39 Well, he was at Harvard. He was continually traveling back to the Mayo clinic to deal with relentless and intestinal problems, abdominal pain, spastic colon ulcers, low weight. His back is messed up again, you know, made worse by the war. His first back operation was 1944, where the surgeons have removed some abnormally soft disc interspace material and anticipated additional problems if you continue to suffer bone loss because they discovered early signs of osteoporosis. Early in this political career in the late 1940s, he also be in showing symptoms of adissence disease, a disorder that occurs when your body produces insufficient amounts of certain hormones produced by your adrenal glands. In adissence disease, your adrenal glands produce two little cortisol and often insufficient levels of aldotestoster I'll dosterone, excuse me, as well.
Starting point is 00:47:26 Symptoms can include extreme fatigue, weight loss, decreased appetite, darkening of your skin, hyperpigmentation, low blood pressure, even fainting nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, abdominal pain, muscle and joint pains, irritability, depression, pain in your lower back, abdominal legs, severe vomiting, diarrhea, and a bunch of other horrible stuff. And Jack did pass out from time to time.
Starting point is 00:47:45 Once he passed out of the parade in Boston in 1946, we'll run for a seat in Congress. And then by 1951, his back was getting so bad. X-rays revealed that there was a clear compression fractures and his lower spine. He needed crutches to get up a flight of stairs from time to time when his back was really bad. And now early in his career as a senator, his back pain becomes almost unbearable. His fifth lumbar vertebrae collapses. He couldn't bend to put a left sock or put a sock on to his left foot. He had to ascend to send stairs moving sideways now. No one,
Starting point is 00:48:15 and again, no one knows why his back was so bad. Probably a degenerative back condition he was just born with. And man, he had to deal with so much as he's going into his political career. October 21st, 1954, he has a spinal fusion surgery. Almost kills him. A metal plate was inserted to stabilize Kennedy's lower spine. Afterwards, a urinary tract infection puts his life in jeopardy. And he's probably, probably, boneed 17 of the nurses to get that little, who knows? He went into a coma. And once again, a priest was called to administer last rights. He'd been getting last rights, read to him since he was a kid. By December, Kennedy had shaken the infection,
Starting point is 00:48:49 it was sufficiently recovered to be moved to the family's Palm Beach home. Nevertheless, he remained far from well. Doctors couldn't promise he'd ever walk again. Moreover, there was reason to believe that the site of the plate was infected. So in February, another operation was performed in New York, Hospital to remove the plate.
Starting point is 00:49:04 Oh my God, the record showed that it extracted and meant removing three screws that have been drilled into his bones and replacing damaged cartilage with a bone graft. After another three months recuperating floor, it can be returned to Washington, and may men had been terrible. I had back surgery and I was 28,
Starting point is 00:49:19 a lumbar microdisectomy after herniating a disc, doing something stupid, I'm sure. Head sciatic in my left leg for a few years, still get it from time to time. Get pain if I don't stretch regularly. And I thought I had a bad. Man, my back is made out of fucking titanium compared to JFK's back. They told me the spinal fusion was the next step of my back out worse, but there's risk with a fusion that can put unnatural pressure on your healthy disk and start wearing them
Starting point is 00:49:41 out, and a limit's mobility. It can be a source of pain in and of itself. I can't imagine getting a metal plate screwed in, some sort of old school fusion than having that bastard pulled back off of your spine. No wonder he was supposedly taking a ton of medication every day. Medical records reveal, Kennedy Variety took coding,
Starting point is 00:49:58 Demarol, methadone for pain, Riddlein, Meprobovate, and Librium for anxiety, Barbituates for sleep, Barbituates for sleep, Thyrooid hormone, and injections of a blood derivative, Gamma Globbulin, a medicine that combats infections. So luckily for his political ambitions, public awareness of all his surgery and all these other problems,
Starting point is 00:50:19 rather than undermine his image, made him look courageous. So, you know, I guess that's good. 1956, John and Jackie had a miscarriage and while recovering from one of his many hospitalization ballots he found time to write profiles encouraged that year. The 1977 poll surprised when he volume of short biographies describing acts of bravery and integrity
Starting point is 00:50:37 by eight US senators. The book, Profile Senators who defied the opinions of their party and constituents to do what they felt was right and suffered severe criticism and losses and popularity because of those actions. While ghost writer Ted Soroson, an American lawyer, writer, presidential advisor, and JFK speech writer, may have done most of the writing jack at the very least supervised it.
Starting point is 00:50:57 Might as well want to pull surprise while you heal. No big whoop. Got it. It's like, it's like we're the same person. I, I remember kicking some serious ass on on Madden 2016 once on the PS4 when I had a bad cold You know, I'd be the computer by like seven touchdowns. I get it. It's like we're the same He also got some shit done in Washington Kennedy's legislative interests while in the Senate
Starting point is 00:51:17 Primarily were in foreign affairs in labor fields He was a chairman of the labor subcommittee was his chief senate sponsor of labor reform legislation in 1958-1955. He worked to increase the minimum wage, fought to investigate labor union corruption from 56 to 57 served on the special committee to investigate lobbying proposed on July 20 or July 2, 1957 that the U.S. support Algeria's effort to gain independence from France actively supported anti-segregation and civil rights legislation. When you look into his voting records and overall political focus, he seemed to be a champion of a little guy who fought institutional corruption. You know, someone who would fight big business leaders and their lobbyists. He took that wealthy
Starting point is 00:51:58 privilege of bringing him and used his powers for good instead of just jerking off on his family's fortune. Again, the more I research him, the more I understand why so many people loved him. Many people still love him still. I understand why so many women's levels. I kind of want to sleep with him now, or at least be hit on by him. That's normal, right? 1957, Jackie, his wife, gives birth to their first child who lives outside of M.M.C.
Starting point is 00:52:22 Caroline Kennedy. The only Kennedy child still living today. Harvard grad, Columbia Law School grad, and the US ambassador to Japan, from 2013 to earlier this year in 2017. In 1960, John and Jackie have a son, John Jr. He'd become a New York City assistant district attorney for four years, launched George magazine in 1995.
Starting point is 00:52:42 He was, I remember him, I was a kid, woman thing, he was big honk. He'd die in a plane crash with his wife in 1995. I remember him, I was a kid, women thing, he was big honk. He died in a plane crash with his wife in 1999. He was also the last child, Jack and Jackie would have that survived the infancy. They had a second son in 1963, Patrick, who was born five and a half weeks premature and died two days later of breathing complications. Pant triumph and tragedy. The dude's life was full of so much of both. Also in 1960, Kennedy beats Richard Nixon to win the presidency in one of the closest presidential elections
Starting point is 00:53:12 in the US and the 20th century. In the national popular vote, by most accounts, Kennedy led Nixon by just two tenths of 1%, 49.7 to 49.5, while in the Electoral College, he won three or three votes to Nixon's 219. 14 electors from Mississippi and Alabama refused to support Kennedy because of his support for the civil rights movement. They voted for Senator Harry F. Burd of Virginia as did an elector form from Oklahoma. Kennedy became the youngest person ever elected to the presidency,
Starting point is 00:53:43 though Theodore Roosevelt was slightly younger when he took office after William McKinley's death in 1901. And he did a bunch of good shit as president. Let's talk about his presidential accomplishments for a little bit here. He improved the economy. The US was in a recession when Kennedy took office. He carried out various measures to boost the economy under his own executive, anti-recessionary, acceleration program.
Starting point is 00:54:04 Among other things, the most significant tax reform since the new deal were carried out including a new investment tax credit GDP which is grown by an average of only 2.2% per annum during his predecessor Eisenhower's presidency expanded by an average of 5.5% from early 1961 to late 1963 when Kennedy was assassinated. Also inflation remains steady at around 1 percent industrial production rose to 15 percent by about 15 percent and unemployment decreased. This rate of growth continued till 1969. It hasn't been repeated for such a sustained period since. He established a Peace Corps.
Starting point is 00:54:38 President John F. Kennedy established a Peace Corps on March 1, 1961 by executive order 10924. It was a program to which American volunteers would help underdevelop nations in areas Peace Corps on March 1, 1961 by Executive Order 10924. It was a program through which American volunteers would help underdevelop nations in areas such as education, farming, healthcare, construction. The organization grew to 5,000 members by March 1963, 10,000 the following year since its formation to 2016, around 220,000 Americans have joined the Peace Corps
Starting point is 00:55:02 and served in 140 countries. Its initiatives include eradicated malaria in Africa and responding to crisis like the 1994 rewondent genocide. At all, stop with JFK. I did not know that. He furthered civil rights reformed Kennedy supported racial integration and civil rights throughout his presidency and speeches. On March 6, 1961, he signed Executive Order 10925,
Starting point is 00:55:27 which required government contractors to take affirmative action to ensure all employees are treated equally irrespective of their race, creed, color, or national origin. His Executive Order 11063, on November 1962, banned segregation in federally funded housing. On June 11, 1963, he gave his famous civil rights address, calling Americans to recognize civil rights
Starting point is 00:55:47 as a moral cause. His proposal to provide equal access to public schools and other facilities and greater protection of voting rights became part of the Landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964, yeah, after his death there. On June 10, 1963, John F. Kennedy signed into law the Equal Pay Act of 1963 to abolish wage disparity based on sex
Starting point is 00:56:11 at amended the existing Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938. The Equal Pay Act was a major step towards closing the wage gap to women's pay. And although EPA's Equal Pay for Equal Work Goals have not been completely achieved, women's salaries, VSB men's have risen dramatically since its enactment. JFK also proposed an overhaul of American immigration policy that would later lead to the immigration and nationality act of 1965 that abolished the quota system based on national origins with a preference
Starting point is 00:56:38 system that focused on the immigrant skills and family relationships with US citizens. He did some Supreme Court nominations. He appointed to Supreme Court Byron, Wizard White, and Arthur Goldberg. Byron White was goddamn American hero. He was a high school valedictorian football star at the University of Colorado, Rhodes Scholar, NFL half-back who led the league in rushing
Starting point is 00:56:59 two of the only three seasons he played. The name was awarded two bronze stars in the Navy during World War II, where he worked as an intelligence officer. Then he went to law school. Instead of playing more football when he got back to the States, graduated magna cum laude from Yale, does anyone live like this anymore? My God.
Starting point is 00:57:14 Holy shit, there used to be some manly men. He controversially voted against, though, Roe versus Wade, one of the two dissenting Supreme Court judges voting against a woman's right to have an abortion. Of course he did. JFK picked him and as progressive as he may have been in some ways, JFK was also a lifelong Catholic. In the 60s, Catholics were not pro-choice. They were pro-touching little boys, just kidding Catholic listeners kind of. White was, however, strictly against segregation. He diss descended in Runean versus McCrary, 1976, for example,
Starting point is 00:57:47 which held at federal law prohibited private schools from discriminating on the basis of race. Arthur Goldberg, on the other hand, dropped out of high school. Some bullshit, some wishy-washy bullshit, about helping his family survive after his father dies. So whatever loser you couldn't hack it, you couldn't hack it. And then because he was working as a portage family, he ended up attending several colleges before getting his law degree from Northwestern, where he wasn't good at football. Just making note of that.
Starting point is 00:58:14 He was no wizard white. Guess JFK felt sorry for him. Or appointed him because he was a self-made man who fought for the working class's entire career, becoming a prominent labor rights lawyer, and then being appointed to JFK's cabinet as a US Secretary of Labor before being appointed to the Supreme Court.
Starting point is 00:58:29 He served on the court only three years though, most notably voicing extreme opposition to the death penalty saw his barberic, probably didn't like watching football either. Ah, whatever he's bugging Wimp. And then LBJ appointed him to serve as US ambassador to United Nations. Okay, so two cool dudes there.
Starting point is 00:58:44 JFK did a whole lot more than a point two Supreme Court justice and the work I've already listed. Far too much to get into. This is already going to be a long episode. More importantly, he helped prevent World War III, which ironically may have got him killed. An assassination theory will die very deep into later. He sat on end of the Cold War. He along with Soviet leader Nikita Krushkov, kept a Cuban
Starting point is 00:59:06 missile crisis and Bay of Pig situation returning into one giant global nuclear annihilation. A commencement speech he made in American University on June 10th, 1963 made it clear he was rethinking America's stance regarding the Cold War with communism. Rather than new purpose into oblivion, maybe America should try to work with their enemies, maybe get peace of chance. Much of the American public loves his new attitude. Declassified documents reveal he was strongly considering if he hadn't already outright decided to withdraw
Starting point is 00:59:33 from Vietnam. He was not interested in a war with Cuba, was not interested in a war with Soviets, did not want to nuke anyone. He was more interested in letting go of European colonialism and letting African nations for example Governing themselves instead of being rammed by puppet regimes You know set up by the CEA in big business and maybe that's what got him killed you know
Starting point is 00:59:54 1963 before he could you know win re-election and then enact you know some bold new legislation in this areas or maybe Leos You know as well maybe Lee Harvey Oswell was goddamn superhero with a rifle But before we get into some possibilities of what may have happened to him in Dallas, 12, 30 PM Central Standard Time on Friday, November 22nd, 1963, possibilities that we will dig further into some of his policies and political ideology.
Starting point is 01:00:17 Let's hop out of this timeline. Let's talk about his affairs a little bit. Let's go start magazine. Let's get his lady hunting out of the way before we go full conspiracy theory nut. Good job, soldier. You've made it back. Barely.
Starting point is 01:00:32 ["Bang"] Okay, full disclosure again, this is all for the most part rumor in hearsay. But it's rumor in hearsay from sources who are either allegedly involved themselves, such as the women, or from sources close to the president. In addition to having a variety of health problems, the dude may have also been a sex addict.
Starting point is 01:00:51 Clearly, he didn't let his severe back problems, colitis, addison's disease, et cetera, et cetera, stand in the way of his unquenchable thirst for sexual conquest. So let's start with a nefarious, you may be not have heard of, I did not. Let's start with Marlene Dietrich. She was a German-born actress whose film Blue Angel
Starting point is 01:01:07 made her a sex symbol in 1930. That's right, 1930. The film was Germany's first full length talkie feature. And I think this is interesting. It was shot both in English and in German, which must have been a lot of fun for the actress. She moved to Hollywood shortly after that film debuted, lived with Mercedes De Acosta, a well-known lesbian,
Starting point is 01:01:24 socialite she also had an affair with. That woman, supposedly had an affair with Greta Garbo, scandals, scandalous for the time. Marlene was married to a director named Rudolf Seiber, but even though they had a child together, it was an open marriage, and one of convenience and biographers actually like in their relationship more to one of siblings and lovers after the birth
Starting point is 01:01:42 of their first child or the only child. Marlene would allegedly go on to have a fairies with Carrie Grant, Randolph Scott, John Wayne, Douglas Fairbanks, an original screen actor to play Robin Hood, James Stewart, later Hollywood producer Joe Kennedy, JFK's dad. Remember, he had dabbled in some Hollywood business, and then years later, when she was 60 years old, 60 and still 60 is fuck. She slept with JFK in the White House. Sleeping with the former mistress of his dad's, I wonder if he knew, he must have knew.
Starting point is 01:02:10 He must have heard the rumors, that's some purve shit right there. She'd later say of the affairs, I think he was even faster than his father. He had an even busier schedule, they both kept their watches on. She was in DC in September 1963, performing a one-woman show when JFK 20 years her junior made what she referred to as a clumsy pass at her in a bedroom near the West sitting room, her performance was in a half an hour, and Kennedy replied that it doesn't give us much time, does it?
Starting point is 01:02:36 She later told Gore Vidal that her initial reaction of, you know, Mr. President, I'm not very young, eventually became, don't must my hair, I'm performing. It was over in 20 minutes, and when JFK started to fall asleep, Dietrich shook him awake because she didn't know how to get out of the White House. Well, do you think while he was having sex, he thought something like,
Starting point is 01:02:52 I'm gonna make you come so much harder than my dad did? Ha! Even better if he would have asked her after they were done. So that was good, right? Was it like my dad good? Oh, better than my dad good. So messed up, so weird.
Starting point is 01:03:06 So JFK clearly didn't mind some kinky stuff, didn't mind him a chairwoman. He also didn't mind him young, like Mimi Alfred, White House intern. A few days after 19 year old, Mimi Alfred started her internship in the White House press office. Excuse me, she met JFK
Starting point is 01:03:22 while taking a midday dip in the White House pool. He swam up, introduced himself, and later that day sent word that she was invited to afterwork drinks. JFK offered to give her a private tour of the house, which culminated in his seducing her ironically, and what he referred to as Mrs. Kennedy's room, that's messed up. On her memoir, she rinds that she was in shock after the encounter, which was her first time having sex. He, on the other hand, was matter of, and acted as if what we did was the most natural thing in the world. It was the start of an 18-month affair in which she never called him Jack, only Mr. President. In her memoir, Alfred writes that JFK dared her once successfully into giving oral sex
Starting point is 01:03:57 to Dave Powers, a White House aide in the pool, as he watched. Wow! Taken a 19-year-old interns virginity, then daring her a little bit later into blowing another dude while you watch. That's what you wrote in her memoir. God damn, and Bill Clinton, excuse me, almost got him peach forgetting himself a blowjob from a 22 year old intern. In addition to a lot of health problems, JFK also apparently had a giant pair of brass fucking balls to do the shit he did. I knew he was a slut, but I didn't realize he was such a perv too. And then of course there was a time-soaked episode 32 topic, Marilyn Monroe.
Starting point is 01:04:29 Monroe first met the president, February of 1962, when she was invited to a New York dinner party in his honor, where he greeted her with, finally, you hear. He got her number before she left and invited her to Palm Springs next month, where he added his wife would not be joining him, to spend a week shacked up at Bing Crosby's house in the desert town, which according to various sources was the extent of the affair. Monroe, however, desperately wanted more and saw herself as a second first lady, even Colin Jackie and telling her about the affair according to these few precious days, the
Starting point is 01:04:56 final year of Jack with Jackie. Jackie, no stranger to her husband's infidelity is reportedly responded sarcastically we assume. Marilyn, you'll marry Jack, that's great. And you'll move into the White House and you'll assume the responsibility is a first lady. And I'll move out and you'll have all my problems. And if you've listened to episode 32, you know there's a theory that JFK may have conspired to kill her, Marilyn. Before she held a press conference about his affair, hurting his chances of reelection. Maybe a wild conspiracy, maybe a dude who wasn't about to let one of his many, many conquests
Starting point is 01:05:26 bring down his political career. And then he also liked a bad girl. There was Judith Campbell Xner. She was an ex of Sinatra's, Frank Sinatra's, who would go on to become the mistress of Mabos, Sam Giancana, the president met Xner in 1960, the Sands Hotel in Las Vegas, where Sinatra was performing.
Starting point is 01:05:41 She wrote in her memoir that, memoir that he paid attention only to her. It was if every nerve and muscle in his whole body was poised at attention. As I was to learn, Jack Kennedy was the world's greatest listener. Well, according to investigative reporter Seymour Horsh, ex-Nurf fairy envelopes from JFK to the mob, alleged payoffs or instructions for vote-buying and elections, she says, Jack never in a million years thought he was doing anything they would hurt me, but that's the way he conducting himself. The Kennedies have their own set of rules,
Starting point is 01:06:09 she said. Jack was reckless, so reckless, she also said. And she also claimed to have aborted JFK's child. And here I thought he was a good Catholic. And he also did my professional lover. There was Ellen Romich, a German prostitute, and in 1963, he shit on her chest. He dropped the old Oval Office steamer on all Rohmitch. No, no, I didn't. I'm kidding. For some reason, though, when I think of German prostitute, I think of people getting shit on. I think I heard too many rumors of German pornoes, like Shia's a film or something where people get shit on. I don't
Starting point is 01:06:41 know. I heard about them growing up. Apparently, the 27-year-old from East Germany was an Elizabeth Taylor look alike and had been a budding communist there before fleeing to the US. She ended up as a call girl in some ring called the quorum club located in three room suite at the Carroll Arms Hotel, just across the street from the new Senate office building. She attended naked pool parties at the White House in the spring of 1963 and on more than one occasion came to the residence explicitly to have sex with the president. In August of that year, Bobby Kennedy reportedly arranged for her to be deported though, fearing what might leak to the press and advance of JFK's upcoming campaign for re-election.
Starting point is 01:07:17 And he wasn't opposed to leaving with a friend, like Mary Pinchot, Meyer, socialite. Meyer was a longtime friend of the president who first met him at a prep school dance in 1938. She married and would eventually divorce a CIA agent and had a sister who was married to Washington Post, editor Ben Bradley. Both ties, Perteron Kennedy's social circle in DC. She visited him frequently at the White House. It was known to be one of his many mistresses. According to biographer Nina Brele. She was also a vocal pacifist as well as a friend of a Harvard LSD guru, Timothy Larry. That's probably a good time-soc topic. Timothy Larry, these facts were instrumental in a conspiracy theory about her death, having been ordered by officials who didn't want the president
Starting point is 01:07:54 influenced by her views, because Meyer was shot execution-style in October 1964 while walking in Georgetown, a crime that is still unsolved. He also liked Burlesque dancers, like Sultry Redhead Blay's star. Who doesn't like Burlesque dancers, really? The fame Burlesque dancer met JFK 1954 when he was a congressman who paid visits to her Maryland strip club Crossroads on a 1989 publicity tour for the movie Blays. I haven't seen it. She described JFK's sexual performance as very quick and very wild and generously added that he knew exactly what he was doing with girls, so it didn't take him long Know that bad back didn't face him She eventually was invited to the White House
Starting point is 01:08:32 1962 but said they're impending role in the Hay was interrupted by the drama of the Cuban Missile Crisis My one big chance for the link of room and I didn't get it she'd say well You did get to sleep with the president which I think is quite an accomplishment for anyone going by the name of Blaze. And then he liked women who happened to be nearby, too. Like Pamela Turnier, his wife, Jackie's press secretary, his wife's fucking press secretary, and also a woman who resembled Jackie. Not even the first lady's staff was immune
Starting point is 01:08:59 to the Roving Eye of this president. And Turnier, a Georgetown girl who said to resemble Jackie, again, like I said, reportedly, Trist was with him from 1961 to 1963 beginning when she was 21 Do it was an animal apparently just needed to constantly sleep with somebody I also suppose he had an affair with the young Swedish socialite Genea von Post just a few weeks for his wedding Dude this guy did no morals when it came to fucking fidelity The young sweet was 21 when she met the 36 year old JFK in the French Riviera where
Starting point is 01:09:25 they spent a flirty evening during which she wrote in her memoir in 1997. He turned and kissed me tenderly and my breath was taken away. The two captain touched, two years later, the president managed to meet up with Vaughan Post again. This time, ending up in bed with her. I was relatively inexperienced and Jack's tenderness was a revelation. He said, Gania, we've waited two years for this. It seems almost too good to be true and I want to make you happy. In her book, she alleged that JFK called his father and told him he wanted a revelation. He said, Gania, we've waited two years for this. It seems almost too good to be true and I want to make you happy.
Starting point is 01:09:45 In her book, she alleged that JFK called his father and told him he wanted a divorce. He wanted a divorce, Jackie and Mary Gania. Only to be told he'd destroy his political career by doing so and it ended that night. Is that why he cheated on Jackie so much? Was it a marriage kind of made for the public eye? Was it one kind of steered by their family?
Starting point is 01:10:02 Not one bills on passion? I don't know, you know, maybe. But if half the rumors about his one bills on passion, I don't know, maybe. But if half the rumors about his sex page are true, I don't think there's a woman on earth who could have kept his dude faithful. And there were so many others. Academy Award nominated leading the lady Jean Tierney, White House Secretaries for Silla Ware and Jill Cowan,
Starting point is 01:10:17 and probably one of your great aunts, definitely a few of your moms, and many of your grandma's. Let's face it, there's a pretty good chance, your Kennedy. I'd like to think, I'm at least quarter-candidate. My grandma, on my dad's side, was Irish, JFK was Irish. They were both around the same age. She was good looking when she was young, young lady. They've been the same country, so I'm gonna go with JFK's
Starting point is 01:10:35 problem, my grandpa. All right, so now we know a little bit about JFK, the politician, JFK, the man. Clearly wasn't a great husband, but he was a great man in many respects, a war hero, politician who fought for the working class, but that's not why you're listening. That's not why you're listening. I know that rightly or wrongly what he's most known for is getting killed. So let's look into a few assassination theories in this first part of the two part JFK time suck. And first, I think we need to examine the possibility that
Starting point is 01:10:59 the Warren commission came up with, which is that Oswald killed Kennedy. So as we look at Oswald, we first knew to explain what the Warren Commission was. It was a committee that determined his guilt. The Warren Commission was the unofficial name for the President's Commission on the assassination of President Kennedy, established by former time suck topic, episode 15, President Lyndon B. Johnson, through Executive Order 11130, on November 29, 1963,
Starting point is 01:11:22 again, to investigate the assassination of Kennedy. The commission took its unofficial name, the Warren Commission, from its chairman, Chief Justice Earl Warren, and they published their findings nearly a year later as a temperate 1964. And the Warren Commission decided that Arswald fired three shots from a book depository, 80 yards away from Kennedy's car from the sixth floor. First off, let's just state for the record that hitting a target from 80 yards away is far from impossible. No one in their right mind disputes that a shot from that distance could have in fact been made. Even on a moving target, JFK's Lincoln was traveling approximately 12 miles an hour, not too fast for a sniper to hit,
Starting point is 01:11:58 not too fast at all. So let's just establish for certain that a man standing in the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository. Now known as the Dallas County Administration Building at 411 Elm Street on the northwest corner of Elm and North Houston streets, a building facing Deely Plaza could in theory shoot President Kennedy. Okay, it could have happened. Wouldn't have been an easy shot though. And the shooter's ability to get three shots off with a 6.5 millimeter carcano rifle and roughly five seconds, very much disputed. Some claim you can do it in less time than that.
Starting point is 01:12:31 Many claim no one could fire that fast and that accurately without particular rifle. Now, okay, so let's look at some evidence though for it being Oswald. Penn and Teller made an interesting case for Oswald committed the assassination with that classical show there's bullshit. In one episode they talked about a bullet hitting candy from the back like Oswald supposedly did according to the Warren
Starting point is 01:12:50 Commission and how a bullet hitting his head from behind could actually pull his head back because of the force of the brain matter pushed out of the front of his head. That force of his brain matter kind of shooting out could propel his head back towards where the bullet entered in theory is what they say. They demonstrated with a melon and you can find a video of it on YouTube if you curious. So basically they think the whole back into the left movement of Kennedy's head when he got shot could prove that the shooter wasn't fact shooting him from behind where Oswald was instead of proving that the shooter was in front on the grassy knoll, like many conspiracy theorists claim. But those two are also magicians, and not weapons experts, so there's that to consider.
Starting point is 01:13:32 There's also graphic artist Dale Myers who have been studying this a pruderv film for 25 years. He reconstructed this a pruderv film, framed by frame, with computer simulation to show that the magic bullet theory, flaunted by conspiracy theorists, is wrong. Now the magic bullet theory is basically a theory that in order for one bullet to hit both Kennedy and Governor Colony in the places the Warren Commission claims it did,
Starting point is 01:13:53 a bullet would have to freeze in midair, turn 90 degrees amongst other impossible movements that defy the laws of physics in order to move where the Warren Commission says. It moved. The supporter film, by the way, is a silent color motion picture sequence shot by private citizen Abraham's supporter with home movie camera, with a home movie camera
Starting point is 01:14:10 as US president, John F. Kennedy's motorcade passed by him in Daly Plaza in Dallas that day. And unexpectedly, you know, capture the president's assassination. However, because Governor Colony was seated below Kennedy, jumps he was three inches lower and because he didn't sit directly in front of him but instead a little bit to the left and because his body was angled, he was kind
Starting point is 01:14:27 of turned back, you know, slightly, Dale Meyer shows that the magic bullet didn't have to zigzag or stop in mid-air as conspiracy theorists stated in order to hit both Kennedy and the Texas governor. It tears through both men in a perfectly straight line that points straight back to the book depository window where Oswald was. Okay, it's closed, right? And that's it. Let's wrap it up. Many don't agree with Penn, Teller, or this Dale Myers, too. So let's look at some evidence against Oswald being the lone gunman or even a gunman at all that day. All right, Zapruder wasn't the only man to be filming that day. Another man was Orville Nix, and he filmed on the opposite side of the street as a pruder
Starting point is 01:15:04 with the infamous grassy knoll seen behind Kennedy as the car passes by. And he thought in his footage he filmed a second gunman. We've all heard about the infamous second gunman on the grassy knoll, right? Well Nix claims that a week after the assassination he passed a copy of his film to the FBI sold the original to the UPI press agency for five grand. The Warren report did use his film and their investigation along with the supporters. Then, somehow, the original film goes missing. Nick's granddaughter Gail, Nick's Jackson thinks the government got a hold of the original and sued
Starting point is 01:15:34 the U.S. government to try and get the original return to her in 2015. Well, the copy was returned to Orville Nick's after the Warren report was done with it, but Orville claimed before his death in 1972 that frames were missing from it. He also claimed that he thought the shots had come from the Grasional area that day, and most everyone thought the same as him. Well, why would Nixon or Knicks say that?
Starting point is 01:15:57 Why would Richard Knicks and say, Richard Knicks and shot JFK, fucking times that cover. No, why would Knicks ever have made this claim? Seems very suspicious to me very suspicious and now there was also a recent interesting study that Might also kind of lead people to believe that a shot fired from the legendary grassy knoll could have happened 38 years ago Could have been the bullet that killed JFK According to a 2016 acoustical study. That's right. A sound study
Starting point is 01:16:23 Was completed in 2016. The gunshot-like sounds occur exactly synchronous with the time of the shooting rights Donald Thomas, author of the report, which is peer-reviewed and published in Science and Justice, a journal of Britain's Forensic Science Society. Conspiracy theorists for years have questioned the findings of investigators who concluded
Starting point is 01:16:41 that Kennedy was spelled by shots from a lone gunman, the Harvey Oswald, finds from the perch above the president's motorcade. This study bolsters that scrutiny by pin-pointing a gun shot like sound from a grassy knoll to the right of the motorcade and timing it to win the president was killed. The study analyzes recordings made on two separate police channels on the day of the assassination in 1963. One was recorded when a motorcycle policeman in the president's motorcade inadvertently left a microphone on his vehicle switched on. Analysis of this channel later reveals a gunshot like sound coming from the region of the
Starting point is 01:17:14 grassy knoll. The second channel recorded routine transmission from the lead car in the motorcade that was driven directly in front of the pastor's limousine. Again, all of this seems very suspicious. And then there's also those who have claimed to be the second government, like James Earl Files, who in 1994 prison interview claimed to have shot Kennedy. He says there was collusion between the mafia
Starting point is 01:17:35 and the CIA to kill 46-year-old Kennedy. Claims, you know, could lead him being called at the time they thought to give testimony on oath in Washington. That never happened though. But the Vietnam War veteran was part of the CIA team to train the militia for the ill-fated Bay of Pigs invasion in Cuba in 1961, he claims, which turned many of the agency against Kennedy when he called to sudden halt to the Klan des Dines' operation.
Starting point is 01:17:56 Well, excuse me, after being kicked out of the military files, joining the outfit in Chicago, becoming a right-hand man to Mafia Chief Charles Chucky Nicoletti, a hitman for the Chicago Momboss Sam G. and Kana. Remember him? From allegations that JFK slept with his girl before she became his girl. Files said he also reported to a now-dead CIA handler, Files, who was serving time for being an accessory to a mob murder, claims that the CIA men felt betrayed over the Bay of Pigs Fiasco and feared Kennedy was going to shut the agency down because it was out of control.
Starting point is 01:18:27 They called in mobsters to carry out the killing in Dallas. Files claims X-Marine, Missfit, Lee Harvey, Oswald teamed up with him in Dallas, where they fired weapons together, and checked out positions at the Dele Plaza, where Oswald worked at the Texas School Book Depository Building. On the morning of the assassination, Files says he was joined by Nicoletti, who took up a sniper's position with another Mafioso, Johnny Roselli, and the Daltex office building near the book depository. Files, a backup shooter, says he took up position behind offense, the top of the infamous grassy knoll, Mercury, and the tip of the fatal bullet would make it explode on impact. His instructions were to go for a headshot if Kennedy had not been hit by the time the cavalcade came into his view. Files told Dankbar that it was interviewing him. I fired one shot and one shot only. Mr. Nicoletti hit him as I squeezed off my round. I hit him in a blue the head backwards.
Starting point is 01:19:12 That's what he says. Now again, Nick hasn't been paid much attention to. Even by most assassination conspiracy theorists, Buddy brings up an excellent point about the CIA being afraid he was going to shut them down, which we're going to dig deeply into in part two of this JFK time suck. And then you have the book Dead Wrong. being afraid he was going to shut them down, which we're gonna dig deeply into in part two of this JFK time suck.
Starting point is 01:19:26 And then you have the book Dead Wrong. This is by by best-selling historical author, David Wayne, actor and former comic Richard Belzer, best known for his role as John Munch on the NBC Police Trauma Series Homicide, life on the street and law and order, special victims unit. Well, they wrote a book on their take
Starting point is 01:19:40 on a variety of controversial alleged death cover-ups, one of which is the JFK conspiracy, and this book dead wrong. And then they state that multiple witnesses saw the intact entry hole high in the right forehead at the hairline, and sworn testimony of the emergency room doctors and Dallas confirms an additional frontal entry wound in the president's throat. They quote, Colonel L. Fletcher-Proudy, military liaison to the CIA for clandestine operations is saying Oswald was a patsy. There's no question about it. They claim Oswald was a CIA operative, quoting William Robert Plumley, former military intelligence
Starting point is 01:20:15 operative in the CIA special office pilot, is saying, that's not an allegation that's a fact. Oswald was military intelligence. They also claim to have evidence that two separate bullets had JFK in the head. They say that Dr. Joseph Riley, PhD in neuroscience and neuroanatomy independently concluded that John was struck on the head by two bullets, one from the front and one from the rear. And they say Dr. Randy Robertson, MD, also independently came up to the same conclusion, saying in some, is a medical and scientific fact that the damage done to the president's
Starting point is 01:20:43 skull did not result from a single shot shot but instead was caused by two bullets. And they referenced a shitload of other doctors apparently coming to the same conclusion. They also referenced eyewitnesses claiming that the gunshots came from the grassy knoll, like Thomas L. Johns, assistant to the Special Agent in charge, vice presidential detailed secret service, saying, the first two shots sounded like they were on the right side of me towards the grassy knoll. They have quotes from investigators claiming that no eyewitness ever saw Oswald in the depository with the gun in his hand.
Starting point is 01:21:10 They asked why if Oswald was a communist agent obsessed with killing Kennedy, why didn't he confess when he was apprehended, why did he instead deny involvement, they point out that Oswald only achieved the level of marksman when he was trained by the Marines in accuracy level lower than both expert and sharpshooter. They quote Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock, senior instructor Quantico, US Marine Corps sniper instruction school, is saying, now if I can't do it, refer into the kill shot, how in the world could a guy who was a non-qual on the rifle range and later only qualified as a marksman do it?
Starting point is 01:21:41 And they claim all kinds of other foot noted information that ballistics testing did not incriminate Oswald anyway, that the site on the alleged merger weapon wasn't even properly aligned, that Oswald's fingerprints were on the rifle, that no gunfire residue was found in Oswald's cheek, etc. They list government memos basically asserting a cover-up of some kind that someone inside the government was responsible and Oswald needed to be blamed to prevent public outcry. The link connections between the CIA and Oswald, the CIA and Jack Ruby, the man who shot Oswald
Starting point is 01:22:07 in between the CIA, the mafia and Jack Ruby. Lots of declassified documents excerpts, lots of quotes from military and or government agency personnel. So there's lots of evidence being thrown around by those who believe Oswald shot Kennedy and those who didn't. And amongst those who don't believe Oswald did it, there are a ton of theories about why JFK was killed. You know, on the 50th anniversary of the assassination in 2013,
Starting point is 01:22:30 Gallup Polls taken to see what US citizens believed concerning Kennedy. Only 30% of those Polls believed Oswald acted alone and killed Kennedy from that depository window. Gallup Polls about the assassination had been taken every few years since Kennedy died and no more than 36% of people ever pulled ever believed Oswald acted alone. From 1975 to 1991 only 10% of Americans believed Oswald acted alone. That's very low. 13% of Americans told Gallup pollsters in 2013 they believed
Starting point is 01:23:01 the mafia was behind the killing or Or did the government do it? 13% of Kennedy Conspiracy, I believe, so according to Gallup, it was kind of a vague government. Could be anyone, some people believe Lyndon B. Johnson had something to do with it. He ordered him dead. The CIA, 7% of conspiracy-loving Americans blamed the CIA for Kennedy's death.
Starting point is 01:23:22 This theory is perhaps even more popular in the 60s and 70s as Americans became aware that the CIA really had plotted to assassinate Vietnam's presidents, no Dean Dem, successfully, and Cuba's Fidel Castro, unsuccessfully. After the failed pigs, or Bay of Pigs invasion, Cuba in 1961. And they knew that the Kennedy and CIA were on rough terms, leading them to believe the CIA had something to do with it. People who believed Cuba did it. You know, what about Castro himself? He certainly had a reason to be unhappy with the Kennedy administration because of the plots
Starting point is 01:23:52 on his life. And then some other people also believed that Castro's enemies had something to do with it. You know, Cuban exiles who hoped to reclaim their homeland from Castro's communist government had their hopes dashed when the CIA backed Bay of Pigs invasion failed and some blame Kennedy for botching the operation. And then there's a 5% of Americans who believed when they were pulled that some political opponents did it. Maybe some unnamed political opponent. Another 5% say some unknown special interest group may have been responsible. Some are more
Starting point is 01:24:24 specific according to Gallup's recent polling, 2% blame big business or big oil, 1% say some unknown special interest group may have been responsible. Some are more specific according to Gallup's recent polling, 2% blame big business or big oil, 1% say labor unions or teamsters, another 1% say right-wing political operatives, like the KKK could have done it, lots of potential people. Lee Arby Oswald was a defector of the Soviet Union, leading some people to believe that Russia had something to do with it. Oswald did live in the USSR from 1959 to 1962, and according to some conspiracy believers, he was brainwashed or simply recruited to assassinate the president during this time. The Soviet conspiracy's motivation is said to be Nikita Krushkov's anger at having to remove weapons from Cuba in the wake of the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962.
Starting point is 01:25:03 There's people who think the military industrial complex was behind it. Could the war in Vietnam have indirectly caused Kennedy's death? One percent of American conspiracy believers think so, Gallup reports, according to the military industrial complex conspiracy theory, Kennedy intended to pull the US military out of Vietnam. Shadowly forces in the military resented the impending decision and had him killed. Oliver Stone's popular conspiracy film JFK pushes that theory, arguing that Kennedy's assassination
Starting point is 01:25:29 was a military coup designed to put the war friendly Johnson in office. There's those that think the secret service had something to do with it. The secret service task was protecting the president and shared his death instead as this theory goes. About 1% of conspiracy believers pulled by Gallup in this 50th anniversary poll,
Starting point is 01:25:47 blamed the other secret service. According to this theory, anti-Canody agents in the service had no interest in protecting him from shots. Conspiracy theorists also find it suspicious that certain security measures, such as agents near the rear bumper of the car, weren't in place that day in Dallas.
Starting point is 01:26:01 Both the Warren Commission and the House select committee on the assassinations, clear the secret Service, but the House Committee determined that agents were at least deficient in their duties. And finally, in a totally separate poll, not conducted by Gallup, a 100% of one person not previously pulled believes that both jangles may have fired the fatal bullet. Lee Harvey Oswald was not in that depository window. Instead it was Michael motherfucking McDonald. Grammy award winning vocalist CIA operative White Haired Angel and Time Traveler sent
Starting point is 01:26:31 to wherever he's needed to fight communism and JFK was getting soft on the pink house and triple M was in havin it. McDonald fired the rifle from the window as Yamal B there, tag team songwriting and singing partner and FBI informant and vagina whisperer james ingram waited on the grassy knoll with three-legged one-eyed genetically modified boat jangles mutt of mayhem line in the grass with his modified prosthetic fourth leg uh turn into a gun beat it down on that Lincoln convertible as JFK approach those sons of bitches waited minute baa minute baa minute baa until McDonald's fired, missing his target,
Starting point is 01:27:07 and then bowed jangles and angroom, popped up from the grassy knoll and fired one shot each. The first, into JFK's neck, and the second into his skull. And no one wants to come forward because of the ridicule that comes with claiming a three-legged pit bull killed the president. Well, that theory, however, as much as I may believe,
Starting point is 01:27:27 it has been called, quote, outlandish, annoying, childish, stupid. Please stop talking about those people. Unworthy of repeating, poorly imagined, the joke ran its course, a clear sign of mental illness by whoever thought of it, by literally everyone else on earth who has heard it. So, you know, maybe that's not the one. Maybe that's not the one, probably not, probably not. So, who do I think actually did do it? I don't know for sure. I don't know for sure, but I've been studying a fascinating theory that really makes you wonder how deep his assassination went and what forces he was battling in the months and years
Starting point is 01:27:59 before his death. And I'm gonna suck into that long and hard on the next episode on Monday. It's gonna take a whole time suck to explain and it's fucking fascinating to his hell. It's been warped in my brain for the past week, so let's not Monday to the big JFK wrap up, but before you do, here's some top five takeaways from today. Number one, John Fitzgerald Kennedy was a war hero, president of the United States, and slept with half of the world's beautiful women, even though he had the health problems of an almost dead, frail, nine-year-old. So think about that the next time you complain about Tumyek or a headache.
Starting point is 01:28:35 Think what would JFK do? And then either do something monumental and brave and fascinating or just cheat on whoever you're with, I guess. Number two, when he was in college, JFK sailed to France and took a convertible with him for the summer. And you thought your college stories were cool. Number three, the Kennedy siblings established the Peace Corps and special Olympics. Members of my family have done a couple of bicaethons to raise money for some bullshit we can't remember. I'm glad there's not a mirror near me right now, is I, I don't wanna look at it. I can't, I can't stand the thought of looking at myself right now.
Starting point is 01:29:08 Number four, JFK slept with actresses, secretaries, strippers, prostitutes, and even his dad's old mistress all while at the White House. So can we please, all these years later, never talk about Monica Lewinsky again. Bill Clinton was a celibate monk compared to JFK. And number five, JFK may have been assassinated by members of our own government, and that assassination may have been covered up. No wonder people can't let this conspiracy go. That is some seriously crazy dark shit. And maybe not that shocking, though.
Starting point is 01:29:38 You know, it's happened to so many other nations over the course of human history. Why do some of us think that we in the US are immune to that level of corruption? Thanks, suckheads. Hope you, mother suckers enjoyed that first JFK episode. This subbed his sucked my brain like no other. Went down some rabbit holes. You can loss forever in. So if you're enjoying the suck, please follow it on social media at TimeSuck Podcast on
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