Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #817: We the Poisoned: Uncovering the Flint Water Crisis with Jordan Chariton

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Starting point is 00:02:16 Great to be here. Glad you're here. Thank you so much. For those who may not be familiar with you, Jordan, can you tell us a little bit about yourself and where our listeners can find you? Yeah. Independent journalists do kind of the dirty work, I guess, that the media doesn't cover, so I'm out on the, on the ground quite a bit, covering stories

Starting point is 00:02:35 like Flint, covering worker strikes, economic struggle, done a few reporting tours in recent years, focused on poverty, homelessness, worker strikes, union organizing, and frankly, environmental corruption in Flint, East Palestine, Ohio, and many other places. And you could find my work on status coup that's C-O-U-P status coup on YouTube. All right. All those links will be below in the description so you guys can click it and support Jordan wherever he's at.

Starting point is 00:03:10 Jordan, thanks for doing this topic for us. I really do appreciate it. And it's so crazy. The news cycle is just so unrelenting that I just feel that things get memory hold so quickly. And we have so much focus on everything going on around the world, whether it's Ukraine, Gaza, whatever the conflict it might be, that we forget so much of what's going on here on the ground in our own country. How did you get started on this topic? Like, what brought you to this?

Starting point is 00:03:43 started on this topic. Like, what brought you to this? Yeah, I mean, I was with the Young Turks in 2016, which is back then, pretty big outlet, still pretty big. And I was covering the 2016 election. So I was bopping around, you know, Bernie rallies, Trump rallies, and all the madness between those two things. And on the summer of 2016, you know, I kind of like knew about Flint. I knew what happened, but I guess I was naive like a lot of other people. And I just figured the government, you know, the government has to be fixing this, right? I mean, they're waiting online for water in Flint.

Starting point is 00:04:19 And I was at a conference and someone from Flint came up to me. She was wearing a Flint Lives Matter shirt. And she basically begged me to come to Flint. And she told me that it was a disaster still that after the media covered it for five minutes, they left and it was just a mess. And nobody was doing anything and the government was trying to cover it up and kids had rashes and people were losing their hair from the water. So I got my boss to his credit sent me there. So I went there for the first time in 2016 over the summer and that was pretty much after all the cameras had gone.

Starting point is 00:05:00 And I had never really been in that situation. You know, I grew up on Long Island. I had some issues, but not water. And I was just blown away. I mean, I was seeing front porches with cases of bottled water, you know, up to the top. I was seeing kids with rashes. I remember one home, one of the first I went into, everything was broken, the washing machine, the dishwasher, the laundry machine, from the water, just toxic water. And it was that kind of first trip. I remember I went back

Starting point is 00:05:31 to the hotel and it was just this alternative reality seeing, I think it was CNN, they were like covering whatever Trump tweeted and all that nonsense. And I'm here like people are literally being poisoned and it's already been swept under the rug. So that was my first trip and I kind of just from there got the bug to stay on it. And at first I really just wanted to focus on the human part, you know, people were suffering,

Starting point is 00:05:58 but very quickly it became clear to me that this was a real corruption scandal. And eight years later, and I've been there 21 times, I think, you know, obviously I'm pretty biased because I covered it, but I think it's the biggest coverup, the government coverup in the 21st century. I think it makes Watergate look like child's play.

Starting point is 00:06:17 Nobody died during Watergate. And unfortunately, it's in part been able to go on for 10 years because contrary to the media spin, it's in part been able to go on for 10 years because contrary to the media spin, it's still a disaster. The water's still bad 10 years later. And part of that is because the media just stopped covering it years ago. I am so thankful for people like you. These are the stories that need to be covered and I hate to put it this way, but you know, these aren't the sexy stories

Starting point is 00:06:45 that get you the clicks that get you, you know, front page of this newspaper and front page of this newspaper, you know, it's not so late, you know, sensationalized that, you know, that everyone's talking about it to read tweets and all that stuff. And like, you know, there's this real debate about is journalism dead? And then I mean, people like you and I realize it's really strong. It just had to go super indie because that's the only way it gets done. You know, and like so many of these, whether I don't care what side of spectrum you're on, you know, there's these, these giant like corporations that control our information.

Starting point is 00:07:23 And if it, if, if a story gets too close to their bottom line, it never gets covered. And so I really do appreciate everything that you're, you do. So thank you very much. So, you know, it's very interesting. You brought Bernie. I talk about it all the time. This show was inspired by Bernie and Hillary and the primaries and all that stuff. And I decided to talk about it and we're hearing this again in this election,

Starting point is 00:07:48 that democracy is on the line. It's all about democracy and all that stuff. So like, when you study any of this, like, what, what do you think about, like there's this hysteria about, you know, our sacred democracy being on the line. Well, what, What have you learned about that? Like what do you think about the state of democracy in America right now? It would be lovely if we had a democracy.

Starting point is 00:08:13 Wouldn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I just hear that. Not to say that there's not major issues and whatever. I mean, it doesn't matter to me who your audience likes. I think both candidates, frankly, are terrible. But I think Flint frankly shows we don't really have a democracy. And if you want to know like a real example of democracy being removed, rather than the media and the

Starting point is 00:08:39 politicians just fear mongering, Flint is actually a prime example of what happens when democracy is removed. So quick lesson in history, in 2011, you know, nationally the country was still kind of suffering from the financial crash. Flint was just like a rot, I say in the book, it was like a rotting economic corpse for a lot of reasons, you know, for decades, places like Flint, Detroit had really been falling apart economically. And the Republican governor came in. He ran on, you know, running government like a business, which is never a great idea. And he declared a financial emergency, which at the time I didn't hear, you know, Rachel Maddow and all those folks, you know, huffing and puffing about democracy. I didn't really hear them saying anything at the time I didn't hear, you know, Rachel Maddow and all those folks, you know,

Starting point is 00:09:25 huffing and puffing about democracy. I didn't really hear them saying anything at that time. And what that meant was basically he waved the wand and he took over the rule of cities like Flint. So he appointed unelected emergency managers, I call them czars, to just take over power from the elected mayor, from the elected city council. So they were just kind of puppets at this point.

Starting point is 00:09:49 And these unelected people that the voters didn't vote for these people were basically doing the bidding of the governor. It wasn't just in Flint. They did it in Detroit and a couple other cities that were majority black. And their first order of business basically, this is like basically the governor becoming king of the local cities. The first order of business was let's try and privatize the water system. And the water in Michigan is some of the, the greatest in the world.

Starting point is 00:10:15 It's the great lakes. So people don't know 20% of the water of the world's, uh, fresh water comes from the great lakes. What? And yeah. And, um, so Flint had gotten its water from the city of Detroit for like 50 years.

Starting point is 00:10:32 It came out of Lake Huron, which is one of those Great Lakes. And Detroit sent it in a water pipe to Flint. And there was no like water problems quality wise. But long story short, Detroit was price gouging Flint, so local officials and this new emergency manager, which is basically just doing the governor's bidding, said wouldn't it be a great idea to create a totally redundant copycat pipeline that went the same exact route as the existing pipeline and we'll just have our own water system that would be basically privatized.

Starting point is 00:11:06 Detroit's pipeline was public, so there's more regulations. And they basically created this duplicative pipeline, in theory to save money for the residents of Flint, but it was actually never about saving money because at the last minute, the city of Detroit, which Flint was its biggest water customer. If the city of Detroit lost Flint, it was going to go belly up, the water department. So they offered the city of Flint basically like a half off discount to stay. So like you go to the store, half off, pretty good deal. And the unelected emergency manager,

Starting point is 00:11:41 again, democracy, the unelected emergency manager passed on that because it was never about making money. They just wanted a privatized water system. They, they, they moved to this new system, but that was going to take two years to build. So during the construction period, the city of Flint could have just kept getting water from Detroit in that short term, but they said, well, why don't

Starting point is 00:12:05 we save money by using our river, which had been dumped in General Motors, Dow Chemical, DuPont, every corporate, in my view, criminal had dumped his shit in the Flint River for a hundred years. Like the residents in Flint, they used to joke like that's where the bodies are. That's where they dumped the bodies, the Flint River. And they also, in addition to the polluted river said, why don't we use the skeleton plant because it hadn't been used as a full-time water plant in 50 years. I say like to bring it to today, it's like these Boeing planes that are falling apart in air.

Starting point is 00:12:44 That's like the Flint water plant. I have a whole chapter, like they didn't even have all the equipment at the time that they switched to the Flint River to treat the water. So it's basically a privatization scheme. The media always reports it as this was a tragedy to save money. It wasn't to save money. A lot of people were trying to make money off of poor people in Flint. And obviously we know what happened, they got poisoned. That is such a, you hear this story over and over again, like in Los Angeles, we have a giant subway system that they will not use because they can't make money

Starting point is 00:13:16 off of it, so they wanna build a whole new thing. Everything's about cashing checks the whole time. Nobody's making, nobody's doing what's best for the people. That is shocking to me. Now you screw two cities over, you're screwing Detroit over and you're screwing Flint over. This is mind blowing to me. And it's just like when everybody thinks privatized, we see that in our military right now. So many of these militias we sent over, they're all privatized. They're costing way more money than our regular military would cost. And they don't have to play by the rules of war because they're a privatized military.

Starting point is 00:13:56 It's so shocking to me. Everything is about money. It's really sad too. It's really sad the way Michigan is being treated and forgotten. I it's, it's mind blowing to me and it makes me really sad, man. So, so you go down there, you get, you get pulled in and you instantly start to realize that there's something way bigger going on here, right? Way, way bigger. It's not just about dirty water, but it's like a corruption at a level that maybe we, you had never seen or anyone's ever seen.

Starting point is 00:14:33 Can you, can you tell us a little bit about that? About, you know, like why, why is this Flint water situation worse than Watergate or any, any of these other like, um, scandals that other scandals that seem to grab our attention. Yeah. Well, first of all, I don't really care what you are. I mean, everyone's got their blue hat on or their red hat on politically. I think we could all agree water is the most important thing in life. Yeah, 100%. If you don't have it for like four or five days, like you're going to die. And if you drink bad water or you bathe in toxic water, you won't die right away, but it could give you cancer and a

Starting point is 00:15:10 whole lot of other things. So to me, that was what stood out to me right away when I was there. Like, I mean, this is life or death. This is not like, you know, arguing about all the bullshit people argue about on Twitter and Tik Tok and whatever else. But yeah, I mean, it was very, it was very eye opening to me because when I was in Flint, the residents, I was really like one of the only journalists still on it, including local reporters. So to the residents, I was kind of like they were just dumping shit in my lap. I mean, complaints about the private foundation there that was involved, complaints about this politician and that corporation.

Starting point is 00:15:49 So it was very like, it almost made you dizzy because I didn't even know where to start because this was like a corruption scandal, really that started in the 2000s. But where, what right away didn't smell right to me was, I mean, when they were building this new water system, Flint was broke. Like, Flint was almost bankrupt. So Flint in 2013-2014, when there was talk about should Flint stay with Detroit or should Flint join this new water system, it wasn't allowed to

Starting point is 00:16:20 borrow any more money legally. So this water system, they basically the county, which Flint is part of, they were like the guarantor, like they were the backstop for payment. And to get the bonds for this water system, so basically to get the money from the banks to build it on the front end, they didn't have enough. So they needed Flint, they needed another city basically to borrow $100 million to help them finish the construction because the construction was going to cost about 250 million, so almost 300 million. So to me, I was like, how does a broke city that's nearly bankrupt, that legally can't borrow any more money, how are they allowed to borrow $100 million to fund this completely scam, unnecessary new water system? So the more I dug, I realized that essentially what happened

Starting point is 00:17:19 was a just straight up boondoggle. Flint, which had no credit rating, and this is all in my book, they would be allowed to borrow money in the case of an emergency. So basically the unelected emergency manager, going back to that whole no democracy thing, local officials, banks, JP Morgan and Wells Fargo,

Starting point is 00:17:43 they decided, well, why don't we just create an emergency, a fake one? So they created this fake emergency. It was like to clean up this lime sludge pit next to the water plant. And in that agreement, that document, like through the back door in the fine print, they wrote and Flint could borrow $100 million dollars to join to help finance this completely well it didn't say that but to help finance this so the stated reason was to clean up X and they just snuck in the back door the real reason for the emergency order so Flint

Starting point is 00:18:17 could join basically without Flint they couldn't build this unnecessary water system and in the agreement they basically put handcuffs on Flint they said while this new water system. And in the agreement, they basically put handcuffs on Flint. They said while this new water system is called the Karagandi Water Authority, KWA, while this new water system is built, Flint has to use the Flint River and has to use the Flint water plant. Well, if you're making them use the Flint River and the Flint water plant, then well, what happens if there's an issue? Like health-wise, what happens if there's some snafu? By law, like according to the agreement, they could not switch back to Detroit's water. And as my reporting progressed, it became clear, I mean, literally within weeks after the water switch, the water switch was in April 2014. Residents had brown water, residents had rashes, the EPA was getting calls.

Starting point is 00:19:09 So this is not just a state cover up, the EPA was involved. And it was very clear, like from the jump, that there's a problem with the Flint River, there's a problem with this water switch. The workers at the water plant were begging the powers that be not to switch to the Flint River. And I quote, hell no, this won't work, one of the workers said. But they did it anyway, because as part of that deal, remember I said JP Morgan and Wells Fargo, they issued the bonds.

Starting point is 00:19:40 So Flint borrowed the money, and basically the banks fronted the money to fund this construction. Well, you know any banks that are say, you know many banks that will say, oh, the residents are poisoned? Yeah, don't worry about paying us back. So basically Flint was already on the hook for a 30-year bond repayment to start paying back the bonds for this completely scam fraudulent pipeline. So the unelected emergency manager, even when government officials were saying we need to switch back to Detroit, the water's got E. coli in it, the water's got TTHMs, which are cancerous chemicals, he said, no, it would be too expensive to switch back to Detroit. And basically what he meant is we can't switch back to Detroit because we already got to start repaying the bonds. So every

Starting point is 00:20:28 step of the way, it was a balance sheet and money over the residents. And you know, people like to argue, is it about race? Is it about class? Well, it's both. The residents in Flint, it's a majority black, poor city. There's also a lot of poor white people. There's also immigrants, but the bottom line is they were poor. And right now you got a similar thing going on in East Palisade, Ohio, Norfolk Southern, the multi-billion dollar railroad company,

Starting point is 00:20:56 unnecessarily blew up five cars of cancerous chemicals. What? And everyone's sick there, and that's a poor white community. And the EPA is covering that up. So poor black, poor white, if you're poor and you're in the wrong place at the wrong time and the government poisons you, good luck.

Starting point is 00:21:14 And that's what really pisses me off the most about this because, you know, I mean, we have mass shootings in this country and it's covered for five minutes and then nobody, you know, they move on. But a city was poisoned. It wasn't a some mistake. It wasn't a tragedy. It was an intentional grift, an intentional scam.

Starting point is 00:21:33 And the media basically just like regurgitated the bullshit that the EPA, the state government said. They buried it. It's been completely swept under the rug and people are basically being slowly left to slowly die. Cancer is through the roof in Flint 10 years later. You don't hear about it on the news. They haven't even changed the damaged pipes. The water, you know, basically like acid water went through the water pipes for two years. They still haven't changed all the pipes. So yeah, it's a massive scam. And why I say it makes Watergate look like child's play.

Starting point is 00:22:09 I mean, at the end of the day, Watergate was a few knuckleheads that broke into an office. Nobody died. If Nixon wasn't involved, nobody would care. So it's more Watergate is more because the president was involved and the election. But in this, this is like to me, the real watergate, because people are dying. People have died and continue to die because you have toxic water. And in my view, a toxic government that's covering it up. Hey guys, real quick, I'm telling you about our boy, James McVann and CopyMyCrypto. The crypto markets are in fuego. Let me tell you about Copy My Crypto. Has

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Starting point is 00:25:30 of the world's fresh waters coming out of this area. Do you believe, and you know, do you have a feeling that maybe this is about really eliminating the population or getting rid of the population so they could flip this and turn it into like just a giant corporate environment where these giant corporations control all the water. Yeah, so a few things your audience should know. Number one, in 2020

Starting point is 00:26:00 the stock market started trading water as a commodity. So they trade oil and also they started trading water in 2020. If water is being traded by hedge fund managers and Wall Street brokers, you better believe they're doing it for a reason. And it's because in my view and based on experts I've talked to, they think there might be a shortage one day. Not just because of drought, I'm talking a shortage of clean water. So a lot of people think wars have been fought over oil.

Starting point is 00:26:32 Well, I don't really think it's a conspiracy to say the next major war could be fought over water. So that's number one. Number two, I can't get in the government officials' heads. I don't think they woke up one day and said, let's just poison these poor black people so we can get them out of the community. I don't think it was as direct as that,

Starting point is 00:26:51 but I also don't think they necessarily cared that much or even put a lot of thought into the health aspect. I think the first priority, which by the way, the decisions were being made by wealthy politicians that do not live in Flint. Usually the decisions are being made by people who don't live in the communities they're making the decisions for. I think the first priority was let's privatize because the new pipeline, the water was going

Starting point is 00:27:21 to be raw water and you could use a lot of raw water for things like fracking, which they were fracking a lot in Michigan, agriculture, auto, I mean basically most of the water was going to be used for business. They openly talked about it as the blue economy. So I think that in Flint, in Detroit and many other places I've seen it, I don't even like the term gentrification because it's just a boring weird term. I call it economic terrorism because they are trying to basically make it unaffordable and unlivable for the people native to those communities, whether you're white, black, doesn't matter, people that grew up there. And they're doing that through a lot of these privatizing the systems, because when you privatize things, the rates get jacked up.

Starting point is 00:28:11 So yeah, I mean, I talked to residents in Flint, and they think are built up and beautiful, restaurants, bars, theaters, and then the rest of the cities are left to rot. I mean, in Detroit or Flint, the downtown is wonderful. You drive 10 minutes away, it kind of looks in some parts worse than Baghdad. Yeah, like third world. And the places that used to be refuges for people like, you know, like third world. Yeah. Third world. Of course. And the places that used to be refuges for people like, you know, like entertainment especially for, you know, it's become so expensive now that people, you know, really, I mean, if, you know, they're spending more time than ever working and if they get no break from it, it seems like eventually we're going to reach a breaking point. The society is not just from a business perspective, but just from a spiritual and human perspective. That's a part that scares me just as much

Starting point is 00:29:10 as the rest of us. So real quick, because we kind of skipped over earlier, what was the major industry in Flint? Was it cars just like Detroit? Yeah, so Flint was the birthplace of general motors. Uh, it's Nick, the name of Flint, the nickname is vehicle city. So during the 1940s, fifties, sixties, you know, the industrial boom, I mean, Flint was

Starting point is 00:29:36 boom town. I mean, Flint, uh, I don't know if you ever saw Michael Moore's documentary, Roger and me, I mean, at one point it was like the envy of America, it was like the envy of America. It was like the birthplace of the middle class. So you take that, I mean, less than 100 years ago, 1950s, and how does it get to this? And it's through the offshoring of jobs. So General Motors at one point had like almost 200,000 employees in Flint. Now it's down, I think to like 20 or 30,000.

Starting point is 00:30:06 So all these companies, because frankly, our government, you see the flag behind me, I call it the United Corporations of America, because the government's been purchased. So they let Wall Street and all these other, all these industries basically write these trade deals, which allowed General Motors and other companies to sell their job, go send their jobs elsewhere.

Starting point is 00:30:26 I'm all for other countries having jobs, but not if we're going to destroy. Yeah, for sure. We're compassionate, but it's like, yeah, I would like Americans to have American industry. Of course. You know, General Motors, General Motors leaving was like the economic death knell of Flint because the tax space cratered and then you have white flight because as General Motors was leaving, I mean, there's no jobs and General Motors at first, when

Starting point is 00:30:59 African-Americans came up from the South during the great migration, a lot of African-Americans came up to work in the auto industry. So you had white people in Flint and Detroit going to the suburbs. And then you had General Motors leaving places like Flint to go to the suburbs before they went to other countries. So there's all these reasons that a place like Flint,

Starting point is 00:31:18 which was like a booming economic utopia in the 50s, 60s, some early part of the 70s, then goes to like potholes everywhere, economic utopia in the 50s, 60s, some early part of the 70s, then goes to like potholes everywhere, whole sections of town or abandoned homes, with lawn up to here. I mean, I drove through parts of Flint that looked like a forest, because it's just vacant lots. And that's kind of the backdrop for how you had a governor come in here, declare a financial emergency, appoint these unelected czars, and basically just take over the place. Not that the mayor and city council members and all these places are like the most upstanding citizens that do the

Starting point is 00:31:57 right thing, but at least they were voted for. In this case, it was people who nobody voted in Flint to switch to the Flint River. Nobody voted for this new water system. So crazy to me, dude. That's so crazy. And those are all middle class jobs, too, we should say. I mean, you know, there was a time a family could live out with one with the man typically working in a factory could live off of that salary, you know, and have a great life in

Starting point is 00:32:22 America. And now if the ones that have remained here because of what the economic development divisions of each of these counties has had to do to attract these companies, you know, these become really low paying, the ones that, you know, have remained here that have been lured here, are really low paying jobs that, you know, you can't, you couldn't possibly support a family on the ones that, so a terrible. And there's a real, um, horrifying and infuriating connection to GM and the Flint water crisis. So they switched to the Flint river in April of 2014. And like I said, very quickly, I mean, people were complaining, showing up to city hall

Starting point is 00:32:59 with jugs of brown water, uh, by July. So a couple of months later, General Motors workers started noticing that their parts were rusting because they were using the Flint River too. So basically the river water was destroying their parts. So General Motors started complaining to the state and the city, we don't want to use the Flint River, it's destroying our parts. And it's in my book, but prosecutors, when they were interviewing people, how could you think if the water was destroying car parts, it was okay to give it to humans?

Starting point is 00:33:32 So anyway, General Motors, six months after the water sits, they were allowed to switch off of the Flint River. Unbelievable. The residents weren't. It's crazy to me, you know, and this reminds me so much of the California homeless problem right now, the amount of money that is thrown at this problem and nothing gets fixed because you just have people whose whole living is based off of fixing a problem. And if the problem gets fixed, then they no longer have a job.

Starting point is 00:34:02 So they never ever really try to fix it. It's like kick the can down the road as long as you possibly can to cash all these checks while people's lives are being affected. And it's like, you know, this is, this is California too, man. It's just like bureaucracy is just destroying the, these people who like, I'm sure there are people who have really good intentions and trying to help Flint fix its water problem. But you get these unelected people whose whole job it is, is to just cash, make rich people richer and to keep this thing going.

Starting point is 00:34:38 And it's just mind blowing to me that nobody realizes it or nobody can do anything. It's so sad to me that there's nobody that can go, hey man, we're getting off this thing. The banks can do whatever they want. They can have all these like abandoned homes. That's worth a hundred, take all the abandoned, whatever it is. And it's just shocking to me that new rules were made

Starting point is 00:35:00 for corporations. And again, we wanna keep these plants here because the plants have, give people jobs. So I understand to a point giving them preferential treatment, but at the end of the day, we're talking about people's lives. And I don't understand why there's a disconnect from humanity on that. I, I think that, you know, I can't,

Starting point is 00:35:24 say for sure that this is where everything went to hell, but I don't know if you remember in the 80s that movie Wall Street where Michael Douglas said greed is good. Yep. I think something broke in like the collective mentality where it was kind of just like survival to fittest, I'm going to get mine. You know, I wasn't alive, but I've heard in the 50s, 60s, you know, CEOs would compete with each other in terms of how many like who created more jobs, you know, like the ice cream parlor guy or the, I don't

Starting point is 00:35:55 know, pizza guy. Now it's the competition of like, how many jobs did you cut? And I think that with a thing like Flint, I really think, you know, it's not always as simple as like, these are just evil people. Our government has become a cesspool, because it's all, it's all submerged in money. I mean, in Flint, for example, the, it's so screwed up, and it wasn't reported this way. But basically, the driving force behind this completely fraudulent new water system was the local county drain commissioner. That might sound like what the hell does that mean?

Starting point is 00:36:32 Basically the drain commissioner runs the water for like a county. And this county official who was elected, so a public official being paid by the taxpayers, at the same time was the CEO of this brand new privatized water system. How could you be an elected official while also being the CEO of this new water system? So his elected role was to make the best decisions for the residents' health and safety. But he, as the CEO of this privatized water system, he wanted the water system to be built. And oh, by the way, he got a shit ton of money from contractors for this new water pipeline

Starting point is 00:37:13 and engineering firms and all this who donated handsomely to his campaign. So there's just conflicts of interest everywhere. I mean, I've reported around the country, there's city council members and local officials who are also real estate developers and They're literally on the council while making real estate deals, which is a blatant conflict of interest In the Senate Joe Manchin, he's the head of the Energy Committee, but he owns coal companies I mean, it's just madness. It's both parties Democrats Republicans and in the case of Flint, like you said it was clear from the beginning I mean, it's just madness. It's both parties, Democrats, Republicans. And in the case of Flint, like you said, it was clear from the beginning that the water

Starting point is 00:37:50 was toxic. And actually, in my book, it shows there was a whistleblower in the Republican governor, Rick Snyder's administration. And six months after the water switch, she was actually trying to do the right thing. She sent an email to Snyder's top officials. It was called urgent, urgent matter to fix. She cited that General Motors is getting off the Flint River. She said the water's got E. coli, cancers, chemicals, and all sorts of stuff, and we

Starting point is 00:38:16 need to switch back to Flint. She was pulled aside, threatened by the governor's right-hand man. So think like the Sopranos and Tony's consigliere. She was threatened by this guy, the governor's fixer, he called himself, told never send an email like that again. And then she had a meeting with the unelected czar who told her, yeah, we're working on it, but it would be too expensive to switch back to Detroit,

Starting point is 00:38:43 again, because they already were committed to paying the bonds. So if the government, if the governor had or anyone said, you know what, health's more important to hell with it, we'll have to eat the money or there will be lawsuits, but we got to do what's right for the residents, then you're talking thousands of lives could be saved because contrary to the government's lies, thousands of lives could be saved because contrary to the government's lies, thousands of people have died from this, from cancer, liver failure, kidney failure. And I know a lot of them. Let's get into some of this stuff.

Starting point is 00:39:13 You've been telling, you know, politicians are paying off Flint residents. Is that what you're telling me? Yeah. So as I kept going back to Flint again, it was just like stuff was being dumped on my lap. So I kept hearing about this guy, Richard Baird, and he was the governor's right-hand man. And in many cases, people thought he was like basically the governor. He was pulling the strings. He wasn't even like paid on the state payroll for several years.

Starting point is 00:39:39 He was getting paid out of a super PAC. Very like sketchy. So anyway, a big push with the state administration, but other government officials, is to control the narrative. You gotta control what's going out in the media and things like that, don't let the residents. So when residents would get a little too loud, maybe pop off at a town hall, get media attention. The sirens basically

Starting point is 00:40:07 were going off in the governor's office because it's not good for business, it's not good for their political careers for there to be a water crisis that they caused. So there was a resident, Adam Murphy, he was sick, young father was having seizures from the water, memory loss, just basically falling apart. I think it was like 35 at a time. So he went to a water town hall at the beginning of 2017, understandably just flipped out at the officials there. You know, you guys, you're just, you know, checking boxes, you're not doing anything

Starting point is 00:40:41 for us. People are dying. And he was pulled aside, the cops pulled him out. And the media covered his outbursts, so he got in a couple articles of SNAT, and that was a no-no, because obviously the governor at that time and his administration were thinking about potential criminal liability, so they wanted to bottle this up and bury, you know, the truth that this was still going on and still bad. So he gets pulled aside by a cop. The state trooper says, you know, I have somebody in the governor's office I think might be

Starting point is 00:41:17 able to help you and your family. Because his kid was born with high lead levels too, because his wife was pregnant during all this. A couple weeks later who shows up in his living room? The governor's right-hand man. On one side is a state trooper, on the other side is a former army colonel. Basically, you know, at first trying to butter him up like, you know, I think I can help you guys, isn't that? So he offers him for the state to pay for a very expensive medical treatment called chelation therapy, which is basically just injecting chemicals into you to extract lead out. And it's pretty painful and you feel sick during it because it's pulling this lead out of your bones basically, and it's expensive. And the state of Michigan

Starting point is 00:42:02 could have offered that for all of Flint, but of course they didn't because why spend money to actually help people so basically he offered this guy the state will pay for it but you can't tell anyone who's paying for it so they told me I honored that for a while and they promised that if it helps you, Adam, you're going to be our lead poster child. We'll offer it to all of Flint. Of course, that was bullshit. So I found out that they were basically offering to pay off sick residents and the residents took it because, you know, you're dying. Of course, you're going to take help. And then I realized, oh, he was going around Flint offering these, you know, deals to other

Starting point is 00:42:46 residents too. So basically the governor's right-hand man, and of course the governor knew about it, it's not like the governor's right-hand man is going around doing this willy-nilly. He was going around to like the loudest activists, the loudest residents who were, you know, complaining to the media, complaining in city hall members and just basically trying to shush them. And this was happening out in the open. He told some of these residents, I'm going to go talk to the governor about this. So the governor knew.

Starting point is 00:43:18 The local media didn't report it. The national media didn't report it. I reported it. And they just buried it. And this guy, Richard Barrett, he was, he had the heaviest charges against him. He was charged with extortion, obstruction of justice, perjury, and misconduct in office. But as I'm sure we'll get into later, the charges eventually were dropped. Unbelievable. And you think they're maybe even sabotaging some of these activists, huh?

Starting point is 00:43:48 I mean, based on some of the notes you sent me, you think it's like they're, they're, they're competing, committing, committing like corporate sabotage, huh? So, you know, as, as, as, as in the case of when Aaron Brockovich did her thing in California, it's usually just like normal people that are fighting back, not the politicians, but it's the residents who step up and have to fight. So in Flint, in the beginning of all this, there was like 10 to 20 residents who just became kind of water warriors.

Starting point is 00:44:20 So they would meet in each other's homes and kind of like do research and they uncovered this financial scam that I already told you about. And they noticed that they were being followed. So when they went to city council meetings and were raising hell, they started noticing driving home, they kept getting followed everywhere they turned. And they'd be meeting at this one woman's house and there'd be like unmarked cars outside. And even at McDonald's, they were meeting up, they changed it up and met at McDonald's and they noticed the guy next to them not eating with like a recording device next to

Starting point is 00:44:55 them. And then one of the loudest residents that the state government hated, because she was just always in the media. She actually sued them civilly along with some other entities. One morning her and her husband were driving back after a concert and her auto brakes were cut. They just didn't work. And the next morning they looked and there was three holes in it. Oh my god. So they went to the concert hall and asked to look at the tapes and they saw that someone in a hoodie went under their car.

Starting point is 00:45:32 Oh my God. So they could never prove who did it, but like it was clear that they cut their brakes. And she called, she got in touch with Erin Brockovich, who, you know, the movie with Julia Roberts. She exposed California water contamination with corporations poisoning people. And Erin Brockovich basically told her, you got to make a choice now and it's going to affect the rest of your life.

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Starting point is 00:48:00 And it took, I'm not even from Michigan. I've been there over 20 times. Cause like, I love Flint, but it's not my idea of a vacation spot I kept going back because the local media stopped covering it the national media couldn't care less and somebody had to I mean I don't think is normal when a city is poisoned and it's covered up and the people just left to die and it's just swept under the rug and said oh the water's fine in Flint now. It's not fine. I was just there for my book. People are online. So I signed the book showing me their fresh rashes from the water 10 years later. There's people posting still on social media.

Starting point is 00:48:39 They get in brown water. I already mentioned cancer's through the roof and we want to and we're getting fundraising emails and the media hysterical about democracy. What democracy? How do you have a democracy if you vote for politicians, your vote is canceled, unelected stooges are put in and you're poisoned? So I don't really want to hear, you know, whatever you think of Trump or Kamala Harris or whatever. Sure, there's there's other problems. But at the baseline, you can't really hyperventilate about democracy if American cities, and it's

Starting point is 00:49:12 not just Flint, by the way, are being harmed either intentionally or just through recklessness and then kind of just left to fend for themselves. That's called sacrifice zones and there's a lot of them. Yeah. I mean, so, I don't know, did you cover the part where you were going to tell us about the governor and the deadly Legionnaires disease? Is that what you were talking about earlier? Is that another story? No, that's a new one. That's another component. Oh my God.

Starting point is 00:49:45 Yeah. So I also want to get into the media part of this. Yeah, for sure. talking about earlier? Is that another story? Now, this is a new one. That's another. Oh my God. Yeah. So I also want to get into the media part of this. So this kind of disconnects. So when they switched the water and your audience, let me just explain why they got poisoned. So basically they were switching from lake water to river water. River water is about 20 times harder or more corrosive than lake water. So with river water you need more chemical treatment because all water is chemicals are added to make it safe to drink. So underneath us all, California, Michigan, doesn't matter, the pipes that deliver our water are, if you're lucky, 50 years old, but in some places they're over 100 years old.

Starting point is 00:50:27 I mean, in Newark, New Jersey, which had a lead crisis, has a lead crisis. They found pipes still on the ground delivering water from the 1800s. So basically, because of the corrosion, the pipes are very old, so they're corroded, you know, lead, copper, other things. If your city has over 50,000 residents, by law, the water department is supposed to add phosphates, and that's just a scientific term for corrosion control chemicals. So when you add corrosion control chemicals, it basically creates like a protective wall on the pipe so that lead doesn't leach out so that doesn't mean you're not gonna have any

Starting point is 00:51:10 contamination but at least you want to have lead which is gonna like destroy kids brains and other things so the state of Michigan in their wisdom said no we're not gonna add those chemicals into the Flint River water we'll just send out the water and we'll test it like a year later, which A is illegal and B is insane. And a lot of people think they did it intentionally to poison poor black people. So they didn't add those chemicals. By the way, even if they wanted to add those chemicals, as I revealed in the book, they didn't even have the equipment in the plant to add the chemicals.

Starting point is 00:51:48 In some cases, they were feeding chemicals through holes in the floor into the water system. So, essentially, because they didn't add those corrosion control chemicals, you essentially had acid water traveling through the pipes from a polluted river that GM and all these chemicals had dumped their shit into a hundred years and lead started leaching off but it wasn't just lead the media only focused on lead so essentially in those pipes if if you're not adding those chemicals into the water and you also have a lot of these cities, the water system was

Starting point is 00:52:25 built for a city when it had double the population. So Flint's water system was built when it had 200,000 residents. When this happened, it was down to 100,000. You have whole sections of towns where homes are abandoned and water is not being used. So what happens is water gets stuck at parts of the system and it's just stagnant because the water's not being used. And that's not just in Flint, that's in a lot of places. So when water is stagnant and not moving, the chlorine, water departments add chlorine

Starting point is 00:52:57 into systems to kill bacteria. The chlorine just gets soaked up very quickly and then you don't have enough chlorine and bacteria forms. So that's what happened in Flint. They didn't add the proper chemicals for lead and also bacteria was forming because they didn't add those chemicals. So you have bacteria travel into the water. So pretty quickly after they switched in April, there started to be a surge in Legionnaires

Starting point is 00:53:23 disease. That's basically like waterborne pneumonia. It's more severe than normal pneumonia, and it comes from water. And typically, you could get Legionnaires from like your air conditioning unit, showers, but it can come from your drinking water too, specifically inhaling it in the shower. So essentially, you have this increase in Legionnaires cases. And the health department in Michigan under this Republican governor and this unelected emergency manager in Flint, they knew about the increase in Legionnaires a month after.

Starting point is 00:53:58 They switched the water, but they kept it quiet. And they didn't notify the residents of Flint. So then, come August of 2014, a local hospital in Flint, they detected Legionnaires in their water and they had an increase in patients with Legionnaires. Legionnaires can kill you and it killed a lot of people in Flint. There's a local ABC station in Flint that I don't know if it was accidental, but a memo from that hospital was leaked to them. I think it was accidentally showing that the hospital had a surge in Legionnaires and that

Starting point is 00:54:35 they were adding hyperchlorinating, like they were adding more disinfectant into their system. So the local ABC station at the same time that residents are showing up to City Hall with water jugs that are brown, at the same time residents are showing up with plastic bags with their hair, because their hair is falling out in the shower, at the same time kids are showing up with full body rashes, they got this document, oh the local hospital has this waterborne pneumonia disease spreading. They're working on the story and then it mysteriously gets killed.

Starting point is 00:55:10 In October of 2014, just so happens a few weeks before the governor's reelection. And then I obtained the phone logs, so I got calls between the governor, his chief of staff, and the head of the health department in the middle of October, 2014. And why that time period is really important, and I wrote about it in the book, that's when General Motors got off the Flint River. That's when that whistleblower I told you about

Starting point is 00:55:39 in the governor's office had begged them to switch back to Detroit. And that's when the Legionnaires outbreak, this waterborne pneumonia was spreading like fire. And the governor's environmental department, the governor's health department, they were all trading emails and phone calls about it, but not notifying the residents of Flint

Starting point is 00:55:58 that your water has deadly bacteria in it. So I got the governor's phone calls with his chief of staff, the health director. It showed over two days, 22 phone calls between the governor, his health director, the chief of staff. I got documents from the criminal investigation. The prosecutors concluded those calls. They were covering up the Legionnaires disease outbreak two weeks before the governor was up for reelection. Because guess what? Talking about politics and corruption. The governor wanted to run for president in 2016. Oh my god. So can't really, it's not really a great

Starting point is 00:56:32 bumper sticker to, hey, I poisoned my residence. So it was a massive coverup. And another part of it about the media real quick, begin, uh, 2020, I drove to Michigan. It was like COVID and nobody knew anything. So I drove there instead of flying. I meet with one of the top editors with the Detroit Free Press in a parking lot. It was like 15 degrees. I hand them the documents, showing him all these phone calls, showing him the prosecutors, they concluded all these, they were covering it up, showing them that the prosecution like mapped out their phone calls from two years to see like, was this a normal rate that they talk or was this like a spike? These folks barely talked on the phone. It was all within these two days that they're talking like drunken teenagers 22 times. The number two editor at the Detroit Free Press says, holy shit. Yeah, we're definitely interested in doing this. Like I just got to get sign off from the editor in chief.

Starting point is 00:57:31 Three days later, we don't have enough resources for this. And I got that so many times. I mean, I got from outlets when I got the goods, different parts of the coverup. Is there a Trump angle to this? I said, I don't know, Obama was president when this happened. Frankly, yeah, they, you know, it's really more like corruption on the state level. But you're telling me I need to like concoct a Trump connection for you to want to do this?

Starting point is 00:57:59 That's so crazy. So this is like the media. I don't think people think the media is corrupt and they are, but I don't think people realize that life or death things are being covered up, not just by politicians, but the media is helping them to just bury it. And in the case of my Flint reporting, of course, it's not easy to like build sources, get documents and do this kind of work. But the hardest part for me has actually been like getting the media to pick it up, cause I'm independent. So if I just publish a story on my sub stack, you know,

Starting point is 00:58:30 it it'll do okay, but it's not going to go viral. So that's why I reach out to like the New York Times or the Washington Post or these big outlets, the Detroit Free Press. And they, they, for whatever reason, I think some of it's financial, some of it's they're just disconnected from what actually matters. They just wanna push the narrative that these things are over, that these things are being fixed, and

Starting point is 00:58:54 just cover the election horse race and other nonsense. And it's that kind of media abandonment, the media abandoning these stories or the media not being able to cover things for longer than a week, is why so many people in this country are suffering. I have some experience in print journalism and what you have, and this is still going on, there's such the rate of entropy with these print outlets is so extreme that they are still carrying around the husks from the 90s when people actually bought newspapers and their parts kind of flying off. But there's many of them are still in buildings that are way too big for them that they can't afford employing way too many people.

Starting point is 00:59:36 So just about all they can afford to do is publish a crime report, which is always the most popular thing in the newspaper. I know that from just having seen the clicks from my years as a print journalist. So I mean yeah you're right a lot of it is the budget. Now I do think you know there is just an element of them abdicating their responsibility in many instances but there are still some people I think would like to do those especially the journalists and the lower level people who get into it because they think that that's the way to help people. But you know the higher know, the higher ups, yeah, they just can't.

Starting point is 01:00:07 I mean, the front for just with respect to budget and, and ad sales, they, they can't support, you know, a proper investigative journalism division anymore at the large ones, especially. That's the one thing about the internet. Like as great as the internet is, I think we peaked with the internet around 2014, 2015. We still like kind of see it as this wild west thing. I think it's way more on lockdown than some people might want to admit.

Starting point is 01:00:37 At least in our world, we understand censorship is a real big thing, but I don't think a lot of people understand that. But the one thing the internet did was to take us off local politics. And everything went to the international news, whether it was reading USA Today or watching these cable news companies. And like, it's real hard to find local news that is like sexy enough to stop you to want to read and pay attention. Like I have daughters and I'm always like, I'm going to be involved in all, all these stuff. And it's just like, life is so busy. It's so hard to stop and be able to, to, to,

Starting point is 01:01:17 to get involved on these local politics. But to me, that's the most important thing. Everybody can worry about what's happening in Washington DC. And I get it, but really the, that's the most important thing. Everybody can worry about what's happening in Washington DC and I get it, but really the stuff that's happening on your local level is the most important stuff. Whether it's your city council, your school boards, and what's happening with your water. Like, it's mind blowing to me that nobody's doing anything about this. And there's so much going on in Michigan and there's so, it's just, it seems like it's corrupt, all hell. And it's really sad that people are making decisions based on money and not on people. Yeah. You know, it's amazing to me, and this is why I've stayed on this for so long.

Starting point is 01:01:58 I've told my audience like, yes, this happened in Flint, but this is not a local issue. This is a local issue. This is a local issue. This is a local issue. This is a local issue. What's amazing to me, and this is why I've stayed on this for so long, I've told my audience like, yes, this happened in Flint, but this is not a local issue. This involves everyone. If you think this is just happening in Flint, it's not. I have covered water problems. I mean, at least I'm losing track.

Starting point is 01:02:19 And I have emails every day about a new place, water, air, soil, fracking, mining. I just covered a story in West Virginia where the coal mines are intentionally flooding the coal mines to extract it's called coal bed methane and that while they flood the coal mines dirty water is going out to the creeks and people's drinking water and people are sick. And the thing is, people actually do care about this stuff. They just don't know. I mean, I agree with you. We have all these different YouTube and X whatever. And there's this algorithmic manipulation where I think a lot of journalists and outlets wrongly think, oh, people don't care about water,

Starting point is 01:03:05 or people don't care about local corruption, they only care about reactionary, you know, yada. Actually, people do care. It's that these algorithms are only feeding this reactionary hot take bullshit. Because the rare times that one of my videos on water or soil breakthrough, I mean, the comments are, I mean, it's rare to get

Starting point is 01:03:25 across the board positive comments. And the comments are overwhelmingly positive because people are like, A, how is this happening? B, why is the government not doing anything? C, why is this not all over the news? Like I use my parents as a test case because they both like Trump. They, you know, they're good people. We don't agree politically, but that's fine. And they're in it. Every time I send them something on Flinter you know, they're good people. We don't agree politically, but that's fine. And they're in it every time I send them something on Flint or elsewhere, they're like, Why isn't this all over the news? Fox see it like, why are they not covering this? Yeah. And the thing is, I, from

Starting point is 01:03:57 what I could tell, this is a sexy story, because it involves water, but involves payoffs. It involves destruction of evidence, which we haven't even got, got to witness, tampering breaks being cut. I mean, that's like a true crime movie. And it's like a real thing. I agree with you, dude. I mean, this interview is riveting to me and it's the information you have is mind blowing.

Starting point is 01:04:18 And I have a lot of friends in the whole call alt media world that I'm going to send your stuff to, uh, send your stuff to, uh, that have bigger shows than mine and have very, uh, very powerful audiences that I think you'd be perfect for them. So I'm going to do whatever I can. Uh, I just, I just like, it's just crazy to me how like they just, the drama of Washington DC and our international news is just so big. And we just, such like these stories, like Flint came and it disappeared. You had a bunch of NBA players bringing Aquafina to them.

Starting point is 01:04:54 And then we didn't hear anything after that. And it's just, it makes me sad that we allow corporations to just run crazy and rough shot everything. And it's like, we have to pay attention. I wish I had a better, better way of doing it. I like, for me, it's like everything on a local level. It's low. I call myself, you know, you're not a, you're not a globalist. You're not a nationalist.

Starting point is 01:05:20 I'm a localist. Like I really care about what's happening on my, on my street, in my neighborhood, in my, in my city. I think it's very important to pay attention to that. And then from there, then you can, I think it would just, you know, seismic waves out into the, uh, to the national, the international. That's my, my honest opinion. So you brought up that we haven't even gotten to one, one topic.

Starting point is 01:05:42 What was that topic you talk topic you wanted to talk about? Evidence manipulation? Yeah. I mean, I was just shocked by this because I knew the media sucked, but I figured there's got to be a threshold where I bring them something that like, okay, they're going to run this. This is too corrupt. So I found out about the payoffs. I found out about the governor doing all these things.

Starting point is 01:06:03 So then I obtained these documents showing that basically the governor had like was forced to admit that the water was toxic with high levels of lead in October 2015. I mean they knew it was toxic way before then but he admitted it in October 2015 and I got documents showing that pretty like within days after that, all of a sudden, phones were being dropped off in the state technology office, told a local county official that days after the governor held his press conference, a bunch of phones belonging to the environmental department and health department were dumped into his office, basically erased. So nothing on it. No messages, no phone log, nothing. Which is illegal.

Starting point is 01:07:02 It's destruction of evidence. It's government property. You can't just erase your phones. So I said, I thought it had, like he had to be wrong because that's too brazen of a cover-up, like you're going to get caught. So the prosecutors got phones where there was literally no messages on them for the entire period that Flint was using the Flint River. That was April 2014 through October 2015. So like the first call that would show up was from 2016, but everything before that was erased. So I thought I'm gonna bring this to,

Starting point is 01:07:44 and this was like the head of the health department's phones was wiped. A top health official. And obviously, like, can you imagine for a second if like Trump and his top officials, like their phones were erased right around the time COVID became a thing? Oh my God, MSNBC would be having a goddamn nuclear meltdown. So I brought it to every outlet I could think of. The New York Times, Washington Post, Associated Press, Daily. I mean, I had the documents from the criminal investigation. I obtained all the goods.

Starting point is 01:08:15 And I was either getting no responses or I'll pass. An NBC News editor kindly told me, like, I really admire what you're doing here, but for the amount of resources we'd have to put in here, news editor kindly told me like I really admire what you're doing here but you know for the amount of resources we'd have to put in here we don't know if there's enough interest meaning so I'm like wait a minute you're telling me that evidence that the governor and his administration that poisoned the whole friggin city that they basically just destroyed the evidence like why would

Starting point is 01:08:44 you erase your phones unless you want to conceal your communications? You don't think that's gonna get a pretty, you know, sizable audience? And basically they told me no. And then I found out that one of the emergency managers, those unelected czars, so there was four of them under this governor, Rick Snyder. One of them, the Flint criminal prosecution, they got a call basically a month after they launched the criminal investigation that the former emergency manager was shredding documents in his office on his last day, by the way, as emergency manager. So they got a judge to issue an emergency search warrant. They go down, they issue the search warrant, they take the documents or the pieces of the document.

Starting point is 01:09:32 Oh my. So just destroying documents. So between destroying phones, destroying like hard copies of documents, this shit was just brazen going on. The media, when I say the media, I mean the Flint Journal. You know, Johnny, you mentioned you were in print. I should note the Flint Journal, which is like Flint's hometown paper, they're building, they rent a building from the powerful private foundation in Flint

Starting point is 01:09:59 that played a hand in causing this. So they won't touch anything I've reported. Like the Flint Journal, which you know, it's in the name, the journal, they basically have buried this whole thing and they won't report. I literally showed it. It's in my documentary that we did. I showed up to the Flint Journal like with a little pamphlet for dummies with bullets for that story I just described to you. I said, you know, I'm pretty sure people of Flint want to know about this, but for some reason, the Flint Journal doesn't want to report it.

Starting point is 01:10:30 Of course they didn't. So yeah, I found two major forms of destroying evidence. And not a, other than the story, you know, the Guardian, Vice and the Intercept, I broke those stories in them, but bigger outlets didn't want to touch it. And therefore, you know, if you don't get those bigger outlets to touch it, it's very hard to spread it further and get, you know, hopefully some criminal accountability.

Starting point is 01:10:55 And this is your dream as a struggling print outlet to have someone come to you with all the reporting essentially done, you know, that I assume you just had, you had most of the legwork done already, right? That's why when you were saying like, yes, newspapers have been gutted and they do have resources problem. But 10 out of 10 times when I went to larger, I had already done the work. I even offered them, I already offered them, hey, do you want, you know, put one of your people's names on it with me. Because, you know, they want credit. Yeah, they want. I'm not in this to like grow my Twitter following. I don't care. Right. Right. And mad. They just they wouldn't touch it. I can't get in their heads. But it's just mind boggling. Because this is the kind of stuff that if you got into journalism to like

Starting point is 01:11:36 put some crooked people in jail, or deliver some justice. This is like story of a lifetime. Yeah. And they're all just kind of can't be bothered. It seems like you're suggesting this is not an attention span issue which is initially what I thought maybe maybe this seems like more nefarious than that because it used to be I mean it's your challenge as a journalist if it's an important story to make it interesting you know if you're a newspaper that's your job you know is to make people see why this is important and to make it interesting to them, to grab them. But it sounds like you're suggesting then that it's more nefarious than that, than it just being a mere attention span issue or, you know, them saying that, hey, maybe it's

Starting point is 01:12:17 not there. All I could tell you is there is a very powerful private foundation in Flint. I have a whole chapter on it in my book. It's called the Mott Foundation. It's been accused in the past of trying to gentrify Flint, of trying to push out poor people. And as I reported, basically this foundation was calling the shots on who the governor would appoint as his unelected czars.

Starting point is 01:12:43 What's their purported purpose? Why did they exist? So, Mott Foundation was named after Charles Stuart Mott. He was the earliest investor in General Motors. Everything I know is he was a swell guy. His family, after him, maybe not so much. So from what I have been told and residents on the ground, they have a strong interest in regionalizing services

Starting point is 01:13:09 in Flint, which basically means taking power away from the city politicians and giving it to the county politicians. The county politicians happen to be white. The city politicians happen to be black. You know, that's pretty clear what that's about. But they were pulling the strings and telling the governor who to appoint as emergency managers. So, I don't

Starting point is 01:13:31 know, I mean, the Flynn Journal, their building is in a nice downtown building owned by this foundation's real estate company. So you're not going to really report on bad things that this foundation might have done if your landlord is the foundation's real estate company. And there's other examples of that too. I mean, for example, that hospital I told you about that had the Legionnaires outbreak, they happened to have been a big advertiser for that local ABC station that killed that

Starting point is 01:14:02 story. Oh my. So, can I say like with 100% certainty, that's why they killed the story. Oh can I say like with 100% certainty that's why they killed the story? I can't but I can say the hospital was a massive advertiser and it doesn't make sense to me why a local outlet with documentation with documents showing would kill a story on this bacterial outbreak that's killing people and I reached out to that ABC station at least 10 times in the last eight years, they will not respond.

Starting point is 01:14:28 Why did you kill that story? So there's example after example, sometimes it's advertisers, sometimes it's as simple like the national outlets, let's just be honest. These are a bunch of pampered, master degrees from Northwestern and they're basically like political nerds. They just want to cover politics like it's a sporting event,

Starting point is 01:14:49 and they don't go to places like Flint, and they don't go to tough neighborhoods in Detroit. Their toughest story that they cover is like the campaign and like, oh, we're so rabble rousers and we're intrepid because we traveled the country, you know, in nice hotels covering, you know, this theater between candidates. But they're mostly comfortable, well-to-do white people in New York, DC, some of LA, and they're very disconnected from places like Flint.

Starting point is 01:15:20 They're very disconnected from like what I believe are sacrifice zones. So are they evil people that like don't care that people are being poisoned? They're very disconnected from like what I believe are sacrifice zones. So are they evil people that like don't care that people are being poisoned? No. But are they well to do people that might be disconnected from the plight of flyover country? Yes. Absolutely.

Starting point is 01:15:38 So nobody's gone to jail for anything yet. That's the cover up on top of the cover up. So I want people to be clear, this is not, I've mentioned the Republican governor a lot, this is a bipartisan cover-up because the Democrats are in on it too. So basically what you had here is this truly, I've never seen anything like it and lawyers I've spoken to have never seen anything like it. So you had a prosecution launch in 2016 under the Republican Attorney General of Michigan and he appointed a special prosecutor outside the AG's office so that basically

Starting point is 01:16:13 the state wouldn't be investigating itself. He hired a special prosecutor and a chief investigator. This guy like brought down the Gambino mafia in New York, like he was a serious dude. So they were building a case over three years based on my reporting, they were going after the governor for involuntary manslaughter for his role. They were also going after the money, that fraudulent financial scam. And based on my reporting, at the end of 2018,

Starting point is 01:16:43 they were very close to filing a RICO case. And RICO is what they use to go after the mafia in the 70s, 80s. It's usually over like tax fraud, bribery, things like that. So they were very close to following the money and charging state officials with this financial scam. So this Democrat runs for attorney general of Michigan. She starts shitting on the investigation publicly as a candidate, which didn't really make sense because she didn't have any, she didn't like have any information that wasn't public. She doesn't know who the witnesses are.

Starting point is 01:17:15 She doesn't know what the evidence is. She doesn't know like what they're going after. So she basically previewed that if I win, I'm going to overhaul this thing. So the witnesses that if I win, I'm going to overhaul this thing. So the witnesses that were cooperating, because there were people flipping on bigger fish, they stopped cooperating. Cause this, this candidate says, I'm basically going to, you know, fire all these people.

Starting point is 01:17:36 Now she gets it. She ran on that? Yeah, she ran, she called it politically charged show trials. She said it was taking too long. Uh, and she basically said like, I'm gonna come in and start from scratch, which didn't really make sense. Cause the original prosecution had charged,

Starting point is 01:17:55 they had charged 15 state and city officials with serious like including involuntary manslaughter. And they had gotten two judges to rule in favor that two of the top health officials had to face trial for involuntary manslaughter. She comes in, she fires those prosecutors, and she drops all the charges. She dropped the charges. She said that they messed up and were incompetent. From my reporting, that wasn't true.

Starting point is 01:18:22 She put in prosecutors that had never even brought a case before a jury, but they happened to have donated to her campaign. She basically put in amateurs. A year and a half later, they charged the governor with a misdemeanor. Again, the people she fired were going after involuntary manslaughter against him.

Starting point is 01:18:44 She did not follow through on that Rico case. She did not follow the money. Again, the people she fired were going after and voluntary manslaughter against him. And she did not follow through on that RICO case. She did not follow the money. And today, that's why I say this is an ongoing cover-up. Like present day, the Attorney General's office is refusing to hand over documents to me that would expose the financial scam. So I kept putting in freedom of information requests for the documents about this rico case

Starting point is 01:19:08 because i believe those documents based on sources would expose construction fraud secure bond fraud and the role of these banks and they kept denying me saying there's an active investigation well the supreme court of michigan throughout her case last year they claim that she basically brought these charges against the state constitution by using a one-man grand jury, which it's kind of in the weeds, but basically a one-man grand

Starting point is 01:19:35 jury is just a judge issuing indictments. So the Supreme Court, six nothings, so as conservatives, liberal judges ruled, she basically brought it the wrong way. So she fired these people saying they're incompetent, yet she tanked the entire Flint investigation. So anyway, I put in, now that the investigation's over, I put in a FOIA. Her office told me they didn't have the documents. I knew she was lying. I publicly threatened to sue them. Suddenly they found Jesus and told me they will look again, which never happens. And then voila, they found them. But they told me they're not going to give them to me. And the reason they won't give them to

Starting point is 01:20:15 me, in my educated opinion, is two things. Number one, if the financial fraud that caused this, meaning if the scam that poisoned the whole town, if that goes public, A, there could still be criminal charges because Rico, the racketeering, federally it's more flexible in terms of the statute of limitations. Two, if that goes forward, it would basically expose bond fraud and the state of Michigan, I've been told, would be facing hundreds of millions of dollars in liability. It's been told to me that the state could go bankrupt because of all the money they'd owe. You could have bondholders suing. You could have a lot of people suing the state of Michigan. And third, and I think most important, Wall Street banks

Starting point is 01:20:59 donate to Democrats and Republicans. And JP Morgan and Wells Fargo face a lot of liability because as part of the bond deal that they issued the bonds, they funded that water system. They were supposed to do due diligence to make sure the Flint water plant could safely treat the water. They did not do that. So basically you have the Attorney General of Michigan, the Democrat, who by the way, you know, spoke at the Democratic convention, MSNBC loves her. She's like a resistance hero because she's a lesbian and she's married.

Starting point is 01:21:33 So at the DNC, she like said, Trump could take my wedding or the Supreme Court could take my wedding ring over my cold dead body. Power to you that you're, I don't care that you're lesbian, but you're corrupt. Yeah. And basically she is refusing to hand over the documents. I'm trying to get a lawyer to sue on my behalf. I don't have money growing in my backyard, but I believe these documents would expose one of the biggest frauds on the American people. And since the investigation's over, there's no valid reason they can't release the documents because at the end of the day, you're releasing it to the people of Flint that deserve to know the truth.

Starting point is 01:22:15 So there's democratic corruption involved with this, the Republican administration poisoned them, and now the Democrats are helping them cover it up. This reminds me of all these Netflix shows where they, you know, local politicians corrupt gets away with everything until a national, you know, spotlight gets pulled on it. Then it all starts to unravel. And that's what we need to do. We really need to get you in front of a lot of really great people.

Starting point is 01:22:43 And I'm going to do whatever I can to do that. I'm going to reach out to a couple of people. Thank you very much. Uh, and tell them about what a great interview you are and what a powerful story this is. And it's just crazy to me. It's just crazy to me that, you know, I remember talking to a buddy of mine really early on in this show.

Starting point is 01:23:02 And we were just talking about the Terminators. He's like the corporations are the Terminators, politicians are the Terminators. They're destroying us. They're taking our money. They're running everything into the ground because we, we, there's no longer accountability. Like you watch all these way back in the days of 50s, the 60s, you have all these hearings and people paid. I think the last time somebody actually paid for something was, you know, uh, the Iran Contra scandal. And you know, now that guy's, you know, he's a talking head on Fox news. I mean, I said this before, Benedict, he didn't even pay for it.

Starting point is 01:23:39 Oliver North got off it. Did he even go to jail? Did he do any time? Yeah, exactly. So it's like, it's really crazy to me how we accept this stuff. And, you know, we live in this, this kind of society right now where it's divide and conquer,

Starting point is 01:23:55 and we're always having these racial issues and we get upset about certain things. And then we just ignore other things. And it's just insane to me how this is not spoken more. So, you know, I'm from upstate New York and my brother was telling me there was a section of Syracuse that was a, it was a thriving black community and they changed the exit on the, the highway to farther down and that area just died. Killed it. Killed it, killed it. And you're like, why would you do that, man?

Starting point is 01:24:30 Why would you do that? And you go, is this racism or is this class war? It's probably both. It's probably both. And it's really tragic to me. And it really is sad. And you know, sometimes we get a little out of control with our political correctness and then I go, well, these are stories that make you go, maybe we're not out of control.

Starting point is 01:24:48 Maybe we need to have these discussions a little more and stop worrying about jokes and all this other stuff that when I go back to like, is this sensational enough? Like people doing a meanie joke and everyone losing their mind. And while nobody's talking about the corruption that is leading to children getting autism and all the crazy stuff that we're doing to future generations because nobody wants to pay attention to it. And it's mind-blowing to me. Jordan, you are the definition of journalism. You are so important. We have these corporate hacks doing these corporate jobs. These conformists pushing the narratives that of the people that the people who

Starting point is 01:25:34 sign their checks want and there are people out there like you doing a really good, hard, old school investigations. And that this is what it's all about. This is what we always romanticize journalism is and you're doing it. So thank you so much for coming on the show. I bought your book, so I can't wait to read it. And I promise you, I'm going to be reaching out to people today and seeing who I can, I can say to interview you, whether they got bigger shows or smaller shows, but I

Starting point is 01:26:04 feel like you, you, you need to be heard. So, uh, one more time, Jordan, please tell them where they can find you. Yeah. So I, uh, I'm a reporter and host that status coup news. So that's on YouTube. Who makes it hard to find, but COUP, um, we're on a daily five o'clock Eastern, statuscoup.com as well. And yeah, the book is out. You can get it on Amazon, Barnes & Noble. It's called We The Poisoned, Exposing the Flintwater Cover-Up.

Starting point is 01:26:34 And the audio version is actually out on September 27th, so this week. And the last thing I'll say is I think the media has kind of become a real, you know, weapons of mass distraction. And I think a lot of people get fooled into thinking, you know, people are on Team Blue and Team Red. Listen, the only color that matters in this country, I'm sorry to say, is green. And politicians from both sides are in on it. And just think about it.

Starting point is 01:27:04 Ten years later, there's an American city still has bad water. No one has been held criminally accountable. They don't have health care. The pipes haven't been replaced. That's not just about water. That's about humanity. That's about corruption.

Starting point is 01:27:19 And I'll stay on this. And yeah, I mean, I really appreciate it because I actually think most people do care about this Most people have no idea it's still happening Well, I appreciate it and thank you guys so much. Let's break down this episode. All right, let's get into it What did you think Johnny? That's you know, that's Tim Foyle at its best right there when we have something that is It's exactly what the journalist that denied him said it wasn't it's, it's interesting and

Starting point is 01:27:49 important. Uh, I love that he's, he does, he's done so much work and such a good job of, of he did such a good job presenting it. Uh, what a great guest. Uh, I totally agree. I totally agree. Johnny, I forgot to hit the resume, uh, recording on that little part, but it's okay.

Starting point is 01:28:06 I think I got it. It's okay. I thought it was great. I, all of his ducks in line, he has the receipts and this is to me, journalism. This is what journalism is meant to be. And people need to wake up because they're allowed to get away with this because nobody's watching. Totally.

Starting point is 01:28:23 He's the kind of guy that if you, if you are one of the people fucking up and doing wrong, you don't want coming after you because he's clearly, he's, he's a bulldog. We just, we just got to get on a, yeah, yeah. Sorry. No, no, no, that's it. You're right. We just got to get it on. We just got to get the word out there. So people wake up and it's like, it's really time to take back, you know, this bureaucracy, everything, the problem with so much, uh, the problem with trying to solve problems is bureaucracy. People who have a paycheck that their goal isn't necessary to fix the problem, but the

Starting point is 01:28:58 cash checks. Yeah. Well, that's what I, that was one thing I meant to ask him is that, what, well, how is that legal? The czar thing where, where the governor just comes in and is like, you know what? We're not actually going to take into account any of what your elected officials have to say this guy's going to make all the decisions that I appoint. I would, I would like to, is there some mechanism? Was it like emergency powers?

Starting point is 01:29:20 I know you mentioned that. Yeah, that's what it was. They had it through that whole time. It was like the whole, oh, that's, that's emergency powers are like the, the downfall of this democracy if the way they're abused at the federal level. And then, and then now at the state level, it seems, it reminds me, you know, remember I told you about that documentary I recommended a couple months back called the grab about the water, the water grab in Arizona and other states, dude

Starting point is 01:29:45 That's the future dude is you're gonna see water wars water water was gonna be water wars. Yeah It's scary if you don't know it was a documentary about how other countries have come bought land Because many states and counties Have laws written such that if you own the land, you can take as much water out of the ground as you want to. Now, if you don't know the way waters work and aquifers, when you're taking water out of the ground, you're not just taking it from that parcel of land you're standing on. It's kind of like oil. You're taking it from other people around you too. And so you have like Saudis who have used all of their water growing crops over the past decades,

Starting point is 01:30:26 now coming over here, growing crops here and taking water. And that's, dude, yeah, it's the future. I mean, I remember the guy from the Big Short, the guy who was the genius of all that, Michael Burry, he said, it's even at the end of the Big Short, the movie, they said Michael Burry has now turned his focus to one resource, water, for the future. And that, I mean... I mean, the guy from Hershey says that water, clean water isn't a right.

Starting point is 01:30:51 I mean, like, what are we doing? And again, this gets into this, the elites, the predators class, and their war against the population to turn us super dumb and unhealthy. So we can't focus on how our government works, which is printing money to fund the war machine. I mean, you drink the water that comes out of the tap or you listen. I keep buying these filters and they just keep breaking. Like that's how bad LA water is.

Starting point is 01:31:22 They just keep breaking. It makes me sad. Yeah, I mean, it's the water you bathe your kids in. It's the water you boil your noodles in, whatever, you know what I mean? It's impossible almost to just survive off of, now I know people, off of bottled water, I know people will say that there are filters

Starting point is 01:31:42 that can get all that shit out of there, but I don't know if I believe it. I, you know, I don't know if it's that water is just such a, I mean, if that's contaminated, that's your security. You know what I mean? That's your health. And this gets into like, you know, the, the discussion of race and you know, what is discussed on the internet versus like, what is really happening on the ground.

Starting point is 01:32:08 And you know, the internet getting upset about a joke, getting upset about a word being said and all this stuff, focusing on that, which causes divide and conquer, but nobody focusing on the fact that they have poisoned a predominantly poor black city. Yeah. Which is near an area of clean water, maybe not Flint Lake or river, whatever that is. But as he said, this area gives 20% of the global water to the world. They were getting water that was totally great from Lake Huron and they were offered a half off and because, because that wasn't, you know, they showed

Starting point is 01:32:52 their hand there, it's not, it's not about that actually, it's not about saving money, it's about this project to privatize the water system. And you get into it, dude. It's like, what's going on in Oakland? Are you trying to just run people out of Oakland so you could flip flip Oakland into like a 15 minute city like we see this over and over again, you know what happened in Paradise California with the fires what happened in, Honolulu with the fire I mean like they these elites have no like if you

Starting point is 01:33:26 won't move they'll take you out and it's getting worse in every city now i don't know if you saw and we're going to talk about it on broken simulation these uh these meetups that are happening now these car meetups you know where they're just taking over intersections at night and you've got people just backed up in traffic for hours. The police can't get in there and they're just, these retards are there with their, with their cameras spinning around in their Dodge Challengers. I mean, in the middle of the, so. And then people getting killed again, hit by these cars. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:33:57 Really hurt. Yeah. A lot of people getting really hurt and they, and, and just, and I think part of it is, yeah, to make cities inhospitable, for, for a while at least. And then, and what the, it's so that they can rebuild them how they want and then get everybody back in. Couldn't agree more, Johnny.

Starting point is 01:34:14 Couldn't agree more. Move everybody out. Like, dude, it's like, okay, Oakland, right? You get rid of the professional teams, the city's dead. Everybody's talking about it's becoming like a mad max wasteland. You get everyone to move out there, move down to Vegas, follow your teams down there. And then you just flip Oakland into a whole new thing. Yeah. It'll watch it. It'll be to, it'll be in, in, it'll be like the antichrist and it'll be in, in the name of benevolence.

Starting point is 01:34:43 They'll come the Silicon Valley fucks with all their money and they'll come and they'll say, we'll make this a technology Mecca. We're going to use technology and AI to solve all the problems of Oakland. They'll have driverless cars everywhere. And what you'll really have is maybe a place that looks nice to live, but you've sacrificed all your freedom. All your freedom. No. And if you think wrong, you don't get your credits. I mean, dude, that's what, dude, in Gaza, dude, everyone's like October 7th, return

Starting point is 01:35:14 the hostages. And then you have Netanyahu going, this is our Gaza 2035 plan. Look, look how nice this is. You're like, what are you fucking talking about? But look at it. It's going to be our Dubai. You're like, there's people that live there right now that you're negotiating. Oh, this is going to be the best. And you're like, oh, so this was never about that. This is all about killing. What I like, the people defending it is so ridiculous to me. So ridiculous to me.

Starting point is 01:35:48 Anyways, what I mean, dude, one of the best episodes we've ever done. Sorry, XG wasn't here. We, we decided to do it. I wanted to get Jordan in real quick and XG who is probably out there talking to Hispanic porn star. So, uh, sorry, wasn't here. Uh, if you want to see me live, just go to samtulip.com. I'm not going to do a lot of the, uh, the pushing of, of everything, but I just want to tell you that my special is coming out October 15th, quiet.

Starting point is 01:36:10 I'm so excited. I was watching little, little clips of it. I'm so excited for people to see it. It's going to be great. It's going to piss some people off. It's going to be, it's just going to be fun. If you go, I'm going to be in Vegas this weekend, uh, at Skankfest the 27th through the 29th. So this weekend at Skankfest 27-29.

Starting point is 01:36:26 So anything to help Skankfest, I'll do it. Help Luz Gomez, Luz J Gomez, all the boys. Going to be in Louisville, the Murder Circus. Very excited about that. Tickets are moving. Go check that out. Let's pack that out. Four shows.

Starting point is 01:36:40 Let's pack it out. Let's make, let's have some fun. Tampa Bay in December. And then Cancun in December as well. I'm working on more dates, trying to put something back in Vegas with Eddie in November. We're working on all that. Uh, go and check out our, our affiliates, whether you're gold, micro dosing, rife technologies, aqua cure, brown gas. My favorite is the chemical free body. I am constantly taking his supplements.

Starting point is 01:37:12 Prometheus is a really great website designer. And EMF Rocks, go get some of that. Anything else, Johnny? No, that's it. Check out Broken Sim. We've had some good ones lately. We've had some bump bangers. Enjoy these highlights. Here's a clip. Check out Broken Sim. We've had some good ones lately. We've had some bump bangers enjoy these highlights. Here's a clip from the latest Broken Sim. You know how Twitter has the recaps on the side now?

Starting point is 01:37:31 It said literally over here on the side, it said Kamala unveils new accent. And then you hear this. Let me just say about... She's talking to black people if you can't see. Yeah, and dude, she's shouting out secret societies in this. Yeah, yes, the little, the weird. The, the, the, the, the Vine Nine? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:37:50 Joe Biden, um, I have. Gosh, it's annoying. Hello to all my divine nine brothers and sisters And to all my HBCU brothers and sisters Like stop it like if she wasn't just a vapid Politician piece of shit she'd be nice right like'd be like, oh, she's easy on the eyes, she likes to laugh, but she just represents everything wrong with politics. Yeah. And well, she's also, she's one of these people, like most politicians, who is, who adjusts her personality to fit whatever room she's in. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:38:37 She'll say just anything. She's a snake to get over in the room that she's in. Yeah. Anyway, I thought that was funny because that literally showed up on Twitter as she unveils a new accent. You just told me about this right before the show, so we have to talk about P. Diddy, arrested. Dude. I guess he was in New York, is that right? Yeah, he's arrested in New York.

Starting point is 01:38:57 We'll just play what Fox had to say about it. Breaking news update, Sean Diddy Combs arrested tonight at a hotel in Manhattan. According to sources, this comes after a grand jury indictment. A source told CNN that Combs was arrested again tonight in a Manhattan hotel and is now being processed by police. Of course, this all comes after Combs became the target of a months long sex trafficking probe by the Homeland Security

Starting point is 01:39:25 Investigations Agency after his homes were raided, you'll recall, in Miami and Los Angeles. We don't know the specific charges that are tied to this arrest tonight in New York. We did get a statement from an attorney for Diddy Combs who said that they are disappointed with the decision to pursue what we believe is an unjust prosecution of Mr. Combs by the U.S. Attorney's Office, but they say Diddy, John Diddy Combs is cooperating with the investigation. His lawyer points out that... Wait, what is he gonna do? I'm leaving jail. I don't want to be here. I know. I've decided that I'm not guilty and I'm leaving. Now, here's the question. Have you said a gay guy to prison? Is that punishment? There's just nothing new with the blow dudes. If you're gay, that's like, yeah, but you

Starting point is 01:40:15 want to do other stuff with your life too. And you don't get to do any of it. You don't get to go and uh, you know, what would you say? But there's worse sell people into a record slavery and stuff like she's used to. Like if you really want to hurt P Diddy send him to a desert island where he can never talk to anybody That's it. That seems like way more way more punishment than sending a place full of men's To this to me tell me if I'm wrong It seems like a guy who outlived his usefulness to the authority 100% and this comes right on the dude. All these guys do is they just try to one up each other, right? So Trump almost gets assassinated. Bang! Here's a P Diddy hit for now. That's what everybody's

Starting point is 01:40:55 talking about. Right? I wonder if the NFL thing you were telling was did was it you who sent me that they used? Oh, didn't you send me the thing where they used, uh, Oh, the Sean Payton? The, oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Is that what you were thinking of? Maybe the NFL thing is, did I put that in here? I thought I did. Hold on.

Starting point is 01:41:14 Oh yeah. Here it is right here. Okay. Uh, so I think this is, oh, it got deleted. Uh, that tweet you sent me with that. Really? Yeah. It got deleted.

Starting point is 01:41:21 Oh, you got to save those things, Johnny. I sent you gold. Uh, okay. So if you don't,'t so bounty gate and I remember thinking this back then Sean Payton stole Prescription meds from the cabinet. He was accused of that from like the the doc that the team doctors cabinet back Yeah, yeah, and I remember thinking like how is this guy's like nobody cares about this? Yeah But yeah, they use bounty gate as a way to run to but anywhere else you lose your job if you're stealing meds from the place you

Starting point is 01:41:52 work for like that you lose your job dude but he was a successful NFL coach yeah he's not do I well dudes very interesting James O'Keefe right though yeah but it's very interesting cuz right now he's not doing that well Denver and the story comes out Yeah, that's it right? Yeah, it's that's like diddy, you know, which is like the Michael joran story Oh, you're i'm retiring because i'm bored I'm the most competitive guy in the world and I want to crush everybody I ever meet and everything I ever do But I want break never happened never happened james o'kfe. I just, he's just out there stirring up shit. And yeah, it's just, again, it's amazing what people will talk about to get some

Starting point is 01:42:31 hole. Oh dude. He, I mean, it's really a brilliant, he's brilliant for coming up. He's like, dude, these guys will whisper all the secrets in the hopes of getting their dick wet. If you'd like to hear the rest of this episode, subscribe to Broken Simulation in your podcasting app or check us out at youtube.com slash Sam Tripoli. We go deep home boys. Aaron, open your mic.

Starting point is 01:42:52 Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up Aaron. Wake up. Wake up. Wake up. Wake up. There's people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron!

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