Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #839: The TFH "Conor McGregor Case" Debate with Jesse On Fire and Jason Bermas

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Starting point is 00:00:46 We are live and welcome to what is the first of many debates that I would like to do. Johnny and I have been talking about it. You know, Johnny from Tim Foll, Hadtenbrook and Sim. We've been talking about having debates and I have a bunch of people that I really love in the content space and I've been watching our two guests here today.

Starting point is 00:01:06 When the Conor McGregor case verdict dropped, I saw them both have very different takes on it. So let's get into it. Let me introduce both of them first. He is part of the Union of the Unwanted. He's on there all the time. He's been there since the jump. He is well known as one of the OGs of the conspiracy movement

Starting point is 00:01:28 with his movie, which I think did a giant help to build YouTube to what it is today, Loose Chains. Please welcome Jason Burmess. How are you, buddy? Thank you, sir, for having me. And hopefully by the end of this, my opponent will concede that indeed indeed Conor McGregor is a brutal, violent serial rapist.

Starting point is 00:01:49 Okay. That's really what I'm hoping. Let me introduce him before we get into it. And this guy's a good friend of mine as well. I've been following for a very long time. I've watched his YouTube channel just blow up. I've also watched him just do some sick, sick jiu-jitsu tap outs, so I'm very excited to have him on.

Starting point is 00:02:11 Please welcome American success story, Jesse On Fire. How are you, buddy? Thank you very much, sir. I like the jiu-jitsu. I like you add that jiu-jitsu thing. Well, dude, I've been watching because you were telling me, like, you're going hard in the paint. And then I saw you just that jujitsu thing. Well, dude, I've been watching because you were telling me like you're going hard in the paint. And then I saw you just tap this dude out in some crazy ass choke.

Starting point is 00:02:29 And I was very impressed as a old man who does jujitsu. I was very impressed with your nimbleness and been able to jump all over the place and choke the guy out. So I was very hard cartwheel to cartwheel to arm triangle. Yeah. So there we go. So guys, here we go. The verdict dropped, and it came out, found guilty.

Starting point is 00:02:53 Now, full disclosure, I am somebody who had good friends of mine who I felt got accused of some stuff that I believe they didn't do. So I'm always kind of hesitant to jump into anything, you know, head first. I always love to go what is actually happening here and I love to hear all sides discuss it. So when this Connor McGregor verdict came down, I was kind of like interesting but is there more to the story? So we discussed before the I'm not sure a time limit so we don't go one side, this is gonna be a. I mean.

Starting point is 00:03:47 I hope that we can do this for, but I just like to let him lay the case out and then I can do that and then I can present my evidence and we can go back and forth on the evidence. I want this to be as fair as possible, Sam. Okay, so do we do five minutes each first? I can give him the time he wants. Okay. I can shut my mouth.

Starting point is 00:04:06 I know I like to talk. That's fine. Johnny, if you have any thoughts, jump in as well. Absolutely. If you guys want to just do it as you do it, I'm fine with that too. So Jesse, you can go. All I ask is that you guys don't talk over each other.

Starting point is 00:04:22 I will make sure both of you get equal time to discuss whatever you want to discuss. I'll mute myself when he does his turn. Okay. Let the record show that I would have advised against going in this order if I were on the other side, because this is not there's anyway. So let's just lay this out. So I literally I just I literally just talked to one of my good buddies, I don't know, half an hour ago and we were talking about the case. And here's the deal. So if you are a person who's been observing Conor McGregor's behavior for the last however many years, including incidents like where the woman on the boat,

Starting point is 00:05:01 he just spazzed out and kicked her and threw her off a boat. I believe that story for sure. The Italian DJ, it's three in the morning and Connor for no reason flashes on the guy and punches him in the face. I 100% believe that story. The story, you know, you have a video of him literally for no reason going from like, hi, I'm just being a normal guy to trying to attack Machine Gun Kelly at like an award show. And you're like, Jesus, man, this dude is incredibly unpredictable and potentially very violent. And you got the incident on the boat with the woman. And so you've already established like, okay,

Starting point is 00:05:40 it's not unreasonable to assume that this guy is gonna be violent towards women because he's basically already established that he can be. So going into this case, I'm just gonna lay out how I heard about the case and what my opinion was initially. So the story comes out, my wife and I did a podcast episode on it and we read the facts of the case per the details that were being covered in the media and basically from the story of the accuser and the medical reports. So the story from the accuser was that she's out partying with her friend. Her and her friend end up meeting up with Conor McGregor and

Starting point is 00:06:16 his friend. They go to a hotel, whether she intended on hooking up with him or not at a certain point. They're doing a lot, super relevant. They're doing a ton of cocaine. They're drunk and which again, if you're on the side that where you're gonna come into this thing bias, like I'm sure Connor did this, you could basically assume that in those other incidents, he's probably drunk and on cocaine. So they go up to the room and apparently when they go into the room, she changes her mind. She doesn't want to have sex with Connor. And her story is that he beats the shit out of her, rapes her and,

Starting point is 00:06:53 you know, chokes her. And in the middle of while he's choking her, he says, now, you know, how I felt when I got tapped out three times in the octagon. I'll come back to that. So they leave, you know, she whatever happens and she ends up getting home. She immediately goes to the police, you know, within 24 hours or 36 hours, whatever it is, the medical examiners and the ambulance, they all verify, you know, they testify they're like her injuries were extensive.

Starting point is 00:07:24 And she had a tampon lodged into like her fucking throat. You know, it was like, okay, how does that happen? If not by someone forcing themselves on this girl. So that's her kid. That's her story. She goes to the cops. Why would anyone not believe her like that? That seems cut and dry at first glance.

Starting point is 00:07:44 So when we first covered it- Oh, sorry, I got an echo for a second. I actually still have an echo. Okay, now it's better. So that's how we covered it. We were just like, Jesus, man, I don't know. I mean, if you take away the injuries, I think that I probably would have been skeptical

Starting point is 00:08:04 just based on her behavior, which is what the hell is she doing going to this penthouse with Connor and his friends at seven in the morning after doing coke and drinking? Like, what does she think they're going to go do? So like, I have three daughters. I am always going to look at these situations from the perspective of like, you are responsible for your own decisions. Okay, like obviously no man can just decide that he's gonna beat the shit out of you and rape you. But at the same time, don't be a fucking idiot.

Starting point is 00:08:30 Like don't go to a celebrity's penthouse seven in the morning and expect that they are not there to have sex with you. They don't fucking know you. What do you think you're doing there? So that would have been my take. Then the facts of the case come out. And I had heard that there was a big group of people who were very adamant

Starting point is 00:08:49 that Connor had not done this. And I'm like, I don't understand. How could you like, why would you be on that side? So that's when I looked at the actual facts of the case. This is the most absolutely certifiably obvious lie that I've ever seen in terms of an accused rape case ever. And I mean, I've seen some crazy ones. Johnny Depp looked 100 times worse in the Amber Heard case

Starting point is 00:09:14 that she was lying. The girl, like Trevor Bauer, who got banned from Major League Baseball, who was specifically targeted by at least one of the girls who accused him where like she's sending text messages in advance that she's targeting him to try to get 50 million dollars from him, takes a video of herself after she had sex with him and then winks at her friends like I'm about to get this motherfucker straight up predator. Now I don't think that this girl was targeting Connor because what we didn't talk about earlier in this case is that she has a boyfriend at home and a kid just bought a house with the boyfriend and the kid.

Starting point is 00:09:51 So the entire time that she's out with Connor, okay, she is texting and lying to her boyfriend and her own kid. Okay, and she's coked out of her mind. So she's sending DMS that are like this long, right? Like lying, lying, lying, lying, lying, lying. So you've established she's a liar. Does that mean she didn't get raped? No. However, then, what turns out that with that when the cops, you know, go and question Connor about this, Connor's like, this is an outright lie. He's like, this, this girl's a whore. She had sex with my friend also

Starting point is 00:10:27 and they're like your friend had sex so he gets his friend to come into the police station and he's like this is nonsense. He's like this girl I had sex with this girl also three hours after Connor left and the cops are like you did so they go back to the girl and they're like did you have sex with Connor's friend and she's like absolutely not That's a ridiculous lie. That's made up. Of course, I didn't have sex with Connors friend. They're just Connors just trying to get his friend to cover for him. So they go to the CCTV, and they look at the security footage. And first of all, obviously, they verify that she was all

Starting point is 00:11:04 over Connor, before they got to the room, not necessarily relevant, but then they verified Connor leaving the hotel room at fucking 10 in the morning and then the two of her and the friend staying at the bar drinking and laughing and she's all over the friend. They're making out at the bar. This is the girl who supposedly got brutally beaten and raped two hours ago. And she's down at the bar laughing her ass off,

Starting point is 00:11:31 hanging on the friend, making out with the friend, all of that. And then they go back into the elevator and go back up to the penthouse, kissing in the elevator and she's all over this guy. Okay, so right there, fuck you, you got raped. I don't believe you. Like there's not a person in the history of the world

Starting point is 00:11:50 who was the victim of what they described to, like, you know, having had happened to them by Connor. And then they're like, oh, you know, and Connor left. That's the biggest thing. Connor took off. So your abuser's gone. You could do whatever the fuck you want. You can leave, you can go to the cops. You can go to your house.

Starting point is 00:12:06 You can do whatever you want. No one who has been the victim of that crime is like, well, out of all the things I could do, I think I'm going to do more cocaine, hang out with his friends and then fuck his friend also. Like that's not a thing that's ever happened. It's circumstantial evidence, but it's like not it's like bulletproof circumstantial evidence. No one has ever made that choice in the history of rapes ever. And any rape victim will tell you the same thing. So that happens.

Starting point is 00:12:32 So when they bring the CCTV security footage to her, she said, and she's confronted with it, they're like, well, you said that they were lying, but they weren't. She goes, well, I don't remember that. And they're like, you don't remember that. She's like, I have no memory of that whatsoever. They're like, well, you're on camera. So I mean, that is what happened. So she says at that point that she was too drunk and to consent with the friend, they are showing her walking around,

Starting point is 00:13:03 they're showing her talking to people, whatever. So at that point, the cops are like, well, we're not going to prosecute this case because out of all of the things that you've told us, you've got 10 bullet points. There's only there's nine that we can, oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Also the girl who was there with them also talked to the cops and tested and then ended up telling the same story to the cops and in the then ended up telling the same story to the cops and in the trial that she's lying. She's like, this is a lie. Like this, none of the things that she said happened. I was right outside the door when she was in the room with Connor. I actually, the friend said that he looked in and saw the girl on top of Connor.

Starting point is 00:13:39 The other girl said everything was fine. After they were done, they came out to the living room and we were all laughing and having a good time together until Connor fell asleep. And like, she's like, I saw nothing. In addition to that, when they, you know, the girl went home. Now throughout this whole thing, the girl is telling the other guy, the other girl, like her friend is telling the other guy, she's, she, she is really going to, I just got an echo. He's like, he said that she was going, she's really going to I just got an echo. He's like, he said that she was going she's really going to regret this. Like she just bought a house with her boyfriend and and lives with the kid.

Starting point is 00:14:13 So the boyfriend and the kid have been kind of like lingering around, you know, like that. And then she also after she had sex with a friend, the victim had sex with a friend. He's she like, because they asked him, like, did you see any bruising or injuries on her? And he's like, none. He's like, as a matter of fact, there was like one really small one that was like on her wrist or something like that. I can't remember exactly what it was, small.

Starting point is 00:14:34 And she brought it up where she was like, oh my God, how am I gonna explain this to my boyfriend or fiance? And he said that he was just like, why are you talking about your fiance? Like literally you just fucked me and my friend. Why are you talking to me about your fiance and how you're going to explain this one bruise? So verifies no injuries.

Starting point is 00:14:50 Her friend says she's not injured. Her friend says none of the things she's describing happened. The other guy says none of these things happened. Connor said none of these things happened. The CCTV completely destroys her case. Every single thing that you could verify through either witness testimony or through the CCTV completely contradicts her case. Every single thing that you could verify through either witness testimony or through the CCTV completely contradicts her case. There's not one thing that she said that got verified as true. The exact opposite.

Starting point is 00:15:12 Every single thing she said has been verified as not true. So nine out of the ten things verified as not true. The only thing remaining is this tiny little window of time where it was just her and Connor but you still have the witnesses testifying that this is not true. And that is the, like, that's the case. That's why the cops were like, yeah, right. In addition to that, in addition to that. Okay. So she goes home, the boyfriend obviously, you know, is going to be suspicious, has been gone for multiple days. So like the question anybody's going to ask, and this is where I was hung up too, is like, well, how does she get those fucking injuries?

Starting point is 00:15:48 You know, and what about the tampon? So the injuries, this is simple. I think the boyfriend beat the fuck out of her when she got home, you know, because like, like no one's going to convince me that someone was the victim of that assault, given the absolutely overwhelming tsunami of verifiable evidence that she's lying. I think that the jury knew she was lying, but they were eight fucking women, eight, 12,

Starting point is 00:16:13 because they only awarded her 250,000. She's suing for like 4 million. So they're like, okay, yeah, Connors, I think that the jury did not realize that they were going to destroy Connors life with this. I think they were like, okay, just say that he's, you know, I don't know, like say he's responsible for the assault, give her a quarter million dollars. Let's be done because it takes incredible bravery to be a female.

Starting point is 00:16:34 And to a bunch of other females that you don't know very well, take a stand and be like, I think this bitch is lying after she, you know, she went up on the stand and cried her eyes out. Everyone said it was really, really emotional, whatever. And when I hear that, I'm like, does that indicate that she is telling the truth because she's crying? Or if I'm thinking through this woman's character, is she a person who is completely comfortable with lying

Starting point is 00:16:58 to the point where she can basically convince herself that this thing is real and then hysterically cry on command like every other incredibly talented, manipulative woman. Like my default was not that Connor was innocent. My default was that he was guilty until all of this stuff came out. It's like, all right. So if we're, you know, like I know the standard is that you attack witnesses credibility.

Starting point is 00:17:19 Obviously that's standard procedure in court. Okay, but that doesn't mean that a person's credibility should not be questioned when they are testifying for something. I think normally attacking rape victims is fucking wrong if they're actually, unless it's so obvious that they're lying, that you're like, okay, so I need to evaluate

Starting point is 00:17:40 the likely truth of your testimony. There's only one way to do that and it's to look at her behavior. So she was before she's there, completely comfortable with lying to her boyfriend, lying to her kid, staying out and doing blow, fucking two different guys. Okay, actually, I guess that takes for granted that she consensually had sex with Conor,

Starting point is 00:17:59 but after she got brutally raped, this is the girl who made a decision that afterwards, whether she was drunk or not, she's like, gosh, what do I want to do? What do I want to do with myself? I'm going to get more drunk, do more blow, and have sex with his friend. She has paragraphs of lies, paragraphs of lies.

Starting point is 00:18:16 She has conversations verified with her friend that have been verified by police and everybody else that she was texting her, asking her to delete all of their text messages from that night. Okay. Like this is there is nothing, nothing that supports that she actually was raped except for the fact that she said it and she had injuries. There's nothing that connects Connor to the injuries whatsoever, except for her word. And there is a mountain of evidence that says that he did not do it. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's what I got. I like it.

Starting point is 00:18:46 That was a nice run. So Jason, you laid out a very strong case, Jesse. So now Jason, you will have 15 to 18 minutes to, I think about 15 minutes to give your side. Thank you so much. So let's start with some of the arguments. Like she's a liar. Okay. No doubt about it. Liars can be raped that she's a mother. Mothers can be raped that she has a boyfriend happens all the time.

Starting point is 00:19:19 Let's put first of all, into context, how many days we're talking about here, because this actually starts at a party with this other witness that he's talking about supposedly her friend, but when she was on the stand and by the way, there's a lot of things he said that did not happen or I've seen no evidence in the case. And I was talking to journalists that were inside, but we'll get there. Okay. Um, so you have this two day bender. They meet at some Christmas party. That's an office party. And she's with this particular girl. Get through that whole night. They're contacted in the morning. That's where they pick up

Starting point is 00:19:57 this other guy, James Lawrence, who's getting the cocaine for them. Okay. That's where the second guy comes in. He's the coke guy. All right. Now we could get into the violence and the Coke and those types of things. There's no doubt the guy has been a Coke addict for a very long time and violent for a very long time. I just want to point that out. Now, according to Nikita, they were supposed to be going to a quote unquote party at this penthouse. I believe there's like one other person that's there for a little while. So at most five people and it's down to those four. Okay. Now we'll get into the witness, et cetera, and James Lawrence in a minute and the CCTV stuff, because I think that's important. Okay. She apparently says no. Now I have no doubt by the

Starting point is 00:20:44 way, and the text message argument that she's deleting things. Now I think there's a number of reasons for that. Number one, when she goes into the hospital, which is almost immediately after this incident, she does go home. She does talk to the boyfriend. The boyfriend tapes their conversation. So it's ludicrous to think he beat her. I mean they played that conversation in court It was like a 20-minute conversation and she's refusing to tell him the name of who raped her Okay, and she may have told her mother

Starting point is 00:21:15 Prior to getting into the ambulance. That's not really clear, but she holds out for days Naming McGregor. I just want to point that out out also. That's also something that I think is extremely important. This isn't a money grab. So when she's told later on, when she does name him that James Lawrence did this too, she has no recollection of that. Now, I want to just point to some stuff. I don't know if you want to full screen me.

Starting point is 00:21:39 I don't know if you have to, but let's just go to this. So these are the things I was reporting on six years ago. This is a quote from the police. At the end of the day, there is no doubt this young lady suffered a horrendous ordeal. The examination and all of the evidence shows she was raped and very badly assaulted in that penthouse suite. Now, whether or not she can remember after the fact with James Lawrence, I have no idea. Okay. Uh, he was saying making out, hanging out at the bar, having drinks. I didn't see that in the testimony. What I saw was the presentation of a victory dance

Starting point is 00:22:12 is what was referred to several times and that he was, she was on the arm and maybe kiss the person's arm. I saw nothing about making out or any of that stuff. If you've got that testimony, because all the testimonies out, in fact, I would also encourage people, uh, to go down the line cause you weren't allowed to have cameras in there. Uh, but reporting like this right here, uh, you know, this will get into the CCTV camera footage of inside the ambulance. Okay.

Starting point is 00:22:40 And, you know, I want to read that down the line because I think that's really important. You know, you had Neil Dempsey, okay, first person. He said the woman was very distressed and had physical marks on her. The woman said she had been sexually assaulted and she was concerned about a tampon she had inside her, which had been there for some times. Heart rate elevated, okay? Sexual treatment center.

Starting point is 00:23:02 When you get to the bruising in this case, uh, you know, it was very bruised and more bruised. And by the way, this person also said that they had treated a lot of these cases more bruised than anybody they had seen. So now you have to think that this woman or her boyfriend assaulted her so badly. And then this tampon had to be out with forceps. Now again, you know, I mentioned that all this stuff was out in the public arena for a very long time, going back to just the threads here. And you want to know why she didn't want to name this person. He'd already been accused. Okay. Let's go to this. So you have this where the police, by the way, she was trying to get members

Starting point is 00:23:42 of the DPP to testify only the rape victims and inside that CCTV camera footage, by the way, she was trying to get members of the DPP to testify, only the rape victims and inside that CCTV camera footage, by the way, you saw her in the ambulance. So they presented her beaten and bruised. I don't think that's in question. Okay. So the reason she didn't want to do this is because, you know, this guy's mob connected and has been for a very long time. Now, uh, for those that don't know who the Kinehan family is, his sister is about to marry the number three guy and he's always been connected to this person. Okay. In fact, this woman before the case actually happened just again, so everybody's aware. I think what was this just several months ago, arson. I'm sorry. This is a different case. We'll get to that in a minute

Starting point is 00:24:25 That's the yacht case. Where is it? Um She had where is it? There's so many of these cases. That's the whole thing Let's see. She's her life. Where is it? She her home was invaded there It is right there masked men came into her home stabbed her boyfriend in the belly three times Or I'm sorry three men came in stabbed the boyfriend in the belly He also tried to get another extension a lot of people wonder why this case took so long he was getting extensions for all these fights that home invasion happened about

Starting point is 00:24:54 three to five hours depending on the reports before his pinky toe was broken he had to call off the Chandler fight by the way okay he tried to get another extension with Dan Hooker now off the Chandler fight, by the way. Okay. He tried to get another extension with Dan Hooker. Now, when you look at that forensic evidence, again, media knew about this and kept totally silent about it. You had Pippa Doyle, you had Michelle Dardis, they were talking specifically, and this is one of the selling points to me, about the tampon, how badly beaten and bruised she was. So, you know, I also hear about the money. These are all those WhatsApp text messages that had leaked. In fact, RTE, basically, somebody inside RTE was so disgusted with the case that essentially they they're the ones that leaked that it was

Starting point is 00:25:40 McGregor in the first place. And so that's a whole nother thing. But anyway, she turned out a million dollar payoff in 2019. Okay. Now I want people to think about this is pre COVID. A lot of people are talking about this thing is political. The guy was calling for lockdowns in 2020. Okay. Not nothing about this is political.

Starting point is 00:25:58 No, no, I want to get that out of the way. He's not being taken out. She'd been, she tried to get a criminal case. She turned down the million dollars. Now the 250,000 is probably barely going to cover her legal costs. So you can't tell. It was talked about her being a marked woman. James Lawrence also in the trial is described as sweating the whole time. Now with the text message thing, you want to prove to me that they're not in collusion? Have Lawrence and Conor McGregor show their text messages. Show how much she loved it and what they were saying after the fact. They presented none of that evidence. Of course they

Starting point is 00:26:34 didn't. I have doubts whether she did have sex with James Lawrence after the fact. It does appear they did go to this other hotel. Lord knows what happened after the fact. Because again, I believe that she was viciously beaten and raped because I just don't believe another human. I mean, with the tampon thing, with the fact that her neck, her shoulders, her arms, all the way down through her legs, the description is crazy. I can only imagine again what they were shown inside. All right. Now, you know, I showed that that arson thing not only the stabbing All right. And again, just just not a great person. But when we are talking about The other incident that woman's that jumped off the boat

Starting point is 00:27:16 Her car was firebombed. That's why she stopped with things there But the incident a couple years ago at the Miami game You see her going into a bathroom with Connor for sure But they were going there to do what cocaine and she alleges he just whipped it right out and tried to shove it in her mouth Like I hate to put it that way, but that's how it was to try to report it They are talking after the fact but look at those text messages is a long history of this. Okay six months after this incident, he was accused again of dragging a woman into a car and forcing oral sex on her. Ruth Coppinger of the parliament went on the House floor.

Starting point is 00:27:53 Now we're not allowed to name him at the time. A lot of people, for instance, when you see these articles, it always says Irish sports star, right? And they have to do that because he hadn't been criminally charged. Everybody was telling me this wasn't even him at the time They've run so much cover on this thing think about how the media is playing it out now I'm not sure where I have it right here I think I should play Nikita hand and you tell me whether this woman who just went through almost six years of her life on this Tried to get a criminal case. They would not give it to her you can say it's because

Starting point is 00:28:27 James Lauren stepped in because again she had to be told that she had sex with James Lawrence now if she had had sex with him after the fact I Really think that would have come up somewhere you call her a liar again. Show me the evidence where they're talking about she knew This isn't the first time that you would have someone else covering for Conor McGregor. Okay. And he was acquitted again, because she has no memory of any of it. I don't know how he could be convicted of that. Right? With this whole deal, this whole deal that they've tried to make it about a civil thing, she wanted the criminal case. So I'm going to let, let's just play her. And again, people can decide whether or not you think she's a liar. Here she is.

Starting point is 00:29:12 I would like to start off by saying, saying I'm, I'm overwhelmed. I'm too much by the support I have received from everybody. First, I want to thank the call man legal team and my three bar barristers John Gordon, Ray Boland and Sean. They have been amazing from start to finish. I want to thank Mr Justice Alexander Owens, the jury, all the witnesses. I want to thank the doctors, nurses and everyone at the sexual assault treatment unit and the Retunna Hospital for looking after me, especially my own Dr. Frank Clark. I want to thank the Rape Crisis Centre, especially Cleana, who has been by my side throughout this entire period.

Starting point is 00:29:53 I want to thank all the guards and the ambulance crew. I want to thank all the women and men out there who have supported me throughout this trial. For every person who reached out to me, a card, a letter, email, everything, it hasn't gone unnoticed. Thank you, I really appreciate it so much. I want to thank my partner Gary, who has been so supportive for the last four years, and has held my hand throughout this trial every day and every other day.

Starting point is 00:30:23 I want to thank my mam and all my family and friends. Lastly, I want to thank my daughter, Freya, who I'm most grateful for. She has given me so much strength and courage over the last six years throughout this nightmare to keep on pushing forward for justice. I want to show Freya and every other girl on by that you can stand up for yourself if something happens to you, no matter who the person is and justice will be served

Starting point is 00:30:52 to all the victims of sexual assault. I hope my story is a reminder that no matter how afraid you might be, speak up, you have a voice and keep on fighting for justice. I know this has impacted not only my life, my daughters, my family and friends tremendously and it's something that I'll never forget for the rest of my life. But now that justice has been served, I can now try and move on and look forward to the future with my family and friends and daughter. So I just want to say this, you know, he had a little bit of an intro on who he was. You know, I'm a long time MMA fan. I call MMA fights.

Starting point is 00:31:29 I'm buddies with MMA fighters. When it comes to McGregor, I was never the hugest fan as far as a fighter. Got my respect when he beat Aldo and Alvarez. Never had anything out for the guy. I think the forensic evidence speaks for itself. I think the idea that this woman would put herself through this for any other reason and not I think and I'm not about canceling people by the way. I think the guy should honestly be in prison. I think he's extremely dangerous. Okay, especially the mob ties. I went light on that the home invasion,

Starting point is 00:32:00 the fire bombing, all the circumstantial evidence surrounding it too. Again, and I want to address the CCTV footage and the witness. I mean, so many people have dropped out before. The eyewitness saying, you know, essentially they didn't know each other much. They went into a room together. She didn't seem off after the fact. I don't think that's huge. Again, I didn't see any reporting of making out and that type of thing.

Starting point is 00:32:25 I could be wrong if I can be shown that. Okay. I'd still want, I'll say this. I did get contacted by journalists inside as the case went on. They were all very careful and I asked them specifically about the kiss on the arm and the victory dance and what they had seen and I got no responses from them. Now whether or not the public's going to get access to that stuff eventually, I guess we'll see. Sam, I think you were there on the union of the unwanted about a week before the verdict, I called it, I said, there's no way that he's not going to be found liable in this case, but they're going to spin it and say this wasn't a criminal case and that she was some kind of a gold digger. Again, she's probably not walking away with any money at all. The legal fees on this thing, I can't imagine it. So again, circumstantial, physical, you can't,

Starting point is 00:33:11 the boyfriend, to me, that argument, it just doesn't hold water. They played like from the time within, I think her walking in that door, he was recording their conversations. And they played that in court, it was 20 minutes long. I only saw the transcript of it, but he's trying to get her to admit to study. You know he's not happy about it but she's also beaten. So and they're talking about the physical thing so uh you know I'm gonna

Starting point is 00:33:36 I'm gonna wait for some counter arguments and I think we can go from there. So you guys got about the same amount of time so Jesse Jesse, would you like to counter? Yeah, for sure. Get ready for a Las Vegas style action at Bet MGM, the king of online casinos. Enjoy casino games at your fingertips with the same Vegas strip excitement MGM is famous for when you play classics like MGM Grand Millions or popular games like Blackjack, Baccaratad and Roulette. With our ever-growing library of digital slot games, a large selection of online table games

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Starting point is 00:35:01 I wouldn't dispute any of the things that have been laid out about his connections to the Kinnahan Cartel. I know all of those things are true. Like I said, I established at the very beginning, I believe the girl from the boat. And I definitely believe the Italian DJ. So we've established the guy is incredibly unpredictable, which is why I understand why people believe her story.

Starting point is 00:35:23 And it's like, this is literally only about this one case. And when it comes to, you know, her, her press conference afterwards or any of that stuff, like if someone has established to me that they are a liar, I do not take anything that they say as evidence in either direction unless they have an incentive to say one thing or the other. So as far as the injuries go, again, I've never, I 100% believe that the injuries are there. I have no idea how they got there.

Starting point is 00:35:57 The, you know, the boyfriend is complete speculation. I have no idea. What I do know is that I feel comfortable enough understanding human behavior To say that a person who like what is a more traumatic thing that you can go through Than having a professional fighter Beat you, you know rip your clothes off and have sex with you against your will There's nothing worse for a guy or a girl. It's basically the most traumatic thing that could possibly happen to you. Okay. No one is going to convince convince me that a person who would go through that is going to voluntarily be like, wow, well, you know, listen, we still have access to this amazing hotel. Let's stay here and have some extra drinks, whether she's making out with the guy or not. The fact that that is what she chose to do to continue to party, it completely disqualifies her story from my perspective.

Starting point is 00:36:48 Because obviously the testimony from the other two, you know, like, yeah, Connor could just pay them, say, you know, say that none of this is true. That's easy. It's the CCTV, which is what like I'm not a person who's going to go and stick my my reputation online defending a guy who's gonna go and stick my reputation online, defending a guy who's accused of the most horrendous violent assault ever. Unless there is a piece of evidence that in absolutely unequivocal terms makes it to where like I don't know, that's just not true.

Starting point is 00:37:17 Like that is not a thing a person would do. And here's the thing, so we've established Connor unpredictable, like you can question his character. Well, in my experience, people with questionable character associate with other people who have questionable character. And this, if you just take Connor, take Connor's stuff out of it and just examine her behavior that is 100% verified. She chooses to, and we're not talking about like, oh oopsie, met Connor at a club and something happened. We're talking like premeditated,

Starting point is 00:37:51 tons of messages between her and Connor, throwing herself at him for hours online before he picks her up. Choosing to go with Connor, do cocaine, drink, you know, all this stuff. Go to a hotel room with Connor, the entire time writing well-structured long DM, like message lies to her husband or fiance and kid, okay?

Starting point is 00:38:12 Her character is not as bad. She is like, I don't, it doesn't matter how many drugs you're on, drunk, that is not a thing that a good person is going to do ever. Lie to your kid, be writing, literally writing messages to your own kid while you're like, hang on for a second, guys. Yeah, honey, mommy's just, you know, mommy's learning how to do some hair cutting and blah,

Starting point is 00:38:34 but like this is like, so the fact that Connor has questionable character and has a history of this stuff is irrelevant as it relates to her character. Now, the tampon thing, I wanna address a few things. Number one, when she said that when he choked her, okay, so if you want to look for it, because all you have that says that Connor's the one who put the injuries on her is her word. So let's look at her story from that particular

Starting point is 00:38:56 segment of the night. She said that Connor was choking her and he said, and I quote, Now you know how I felt when I tapped in the octagon three times. I cannot stress enough. There is a fucking 0% chance that Connor said that is the that is the most ludicrous, ludicrous thing I've ever heard. No person. I mean, like no one who knows anything about anything would believe that Connor said that.

Starting point is 00:39:23 Okay, like first of all, if you look at that sentence and you're like, is this more likely something someone said or something that someone made up? Okay. You have Connor who would absolutely never say that for a million different reasons. And then you have girl who's trying to think of a story. And it's like Connor choking. What makes this believable? Connor choked in the octagon. Like that's the level of, of like strategy you're talking there because when you actually are a person who does jujitsu or does combat sports, whatever, choking people and getting choked is fucking standard procedure. Like it's like, Jesse, would you tell me about getting choked?

Starting point is 00:39:54 I'd be like, I got choked nine times in the last two sessions, you know, and I choked six guys, like getting choked is completely stupid. Can I just come in and ask you where you got that quote? Cause I'm not finding it. And I certainly, again, I felt- Oh, I've got that all over the place. I got that all over the place. Because I have the threat, the killer.

Starting point is 00:40:11 As far as him bringing up tapping three times in the Octagon, I still haven't seen that anywhere that it was presented in court. But again, if it's there- Here, I have it right here. I have it right here from AP News. Here, I'll put it in the chat. And what is the exact quote? Here. I'm sending it to you right now and I'll read it. Bring it up on your screen and I'll. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Bring it up on your screen.

Starting point is 00:40:35 Go to share screen. Yep. Yeah, I got it. All right. So Connor McGregor must pay 250 K to woman who says he raped her civil juror case. So Conor McGregor must pay 250k to woman who says he raped her civil jury case. So, hang on, let me just find it. Okay, here you go. McGregor put her in a choke hold and later told her, now you know how I felt in the octagon where I tapped out three times, referring to a UFC match when he had to admit defeat. First of all, I didn't get choked three times. He's gotten choked twice, but nonetheless,

Starting point is 00:41:08 so that's where it is right there. Like put her in a chokehold. Now you know how I felt in the octagon where I tapped out three times. Absolutely ludicrous. Zero percent chance that's true whatsoever. So how do I take this down? Oh, wait, no, I know. I'll take it down. You want? I got it. I got it. I got it. There you go. Okay.

Starting point is 00:41:30 There we go. So that line is a lie. Okay. Then the other thing is so I want to talk to them. Then there was another thing I wanted to respond to that is blanking right now. Oh, man. It'll come back to me. I want to like there was that and then oh, I know what it was.

Starting point is 00:41:48 So the other thing was I think it's important to note. Oh, this is really important actually sir. First of all, very important to note that the partner she's with now is not the one that she was with when this happened. Okay, like if you heard he's been so supportive for four years. This happened six years ago. This is a new guy. So the guy who she was together with when this

Starting point is 00:42:05 happened is gone. Okay, they bought a house together and they live together. There's no way to know what that actually indicates in terms of their relationship. But what I what it is important to note that the guy that was with her that she was lying to and all that is not her boyfriend anymore. So if you're going to establish that this is not a cash grab, because I agree, I think it didn't originate as a cash grab, it's like, why would she say this if it wasn't true? And to me, this is incredibly straightforward. She got caught. Like this, I mean, like this.

Starting point is 00:42:34 Here's the other thing. When I talk to some people about this, and this is actually a compliment to them, it's like, do you have experience with girls who would do cocaine all night and have sex with multiple of your friends? Okay, because I have seen I've never been one of the guys I've been in the room. One time that I can think of where a

Starting point is 00:42:55 girl had sex with multiple of my friends, okay, like they exist, I promise. Now do I have experience with girls who are fucking stone face cheating liars 100%? And so can I predict how someone would behave in a situation like that where they're like, there's a certain type of person, both man and woman, where they're in the moment, they're partying, and they're making absolutely goldfish decisions, where they're like, whatever,

Starting point is 00:43:20 I'll deal with this later, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. And then when they get caught, they are literally going to say anything to get them out of that situation. My theory on how this originated was she got fucking caught. She just got caught like in one way or another. And that's how she had to explain it was, oh, you know, I was raped or whatever. And the thing about the tampon, which was well, which would have been extremely compelling

Starting point is 00:43:40 to me normally, the only reason it wasn't is because a year ago, my wife was working with this girl who was notoriously, like she had a husband and she was very unsatisfied. This is not like my wife's like friend is someone she worked with, but she worked really closely with her. And so we knew all this stuff. And like, she was cheating on her husband all the time. And she's a lush, like we get wasted and go cheat, whatever. And so she was like a topic that we would talk about. And she had that exact thing happened, like where she had sex some dude forgot she had a tampon and it got, you know, and it got stuck. And when Gabrielle told me that story, I like the reason it stuck in my mind is because I was like the idea of anything being in that dirty ass girl's vagina makes me want to literally puke into my mouth. And the fact that it got stuck, she had to go to the doctor to get it removed

Starting point is 00:44:29 was fucking horrifying. So it like burned itself into my brain. So like, okay, so this is a thing that happens. This is like, you know, like I said, within a well, maybe two years, but whatever, it's something that had happened. And it was obviously very consensual, or consensual. So, again, that I'm not moved by the tampon thing because of that. And this girl's behavior sounds just like that girl. And again, the, you know, my theory on how it started and not being a cash grab. I don't, I don't necessarily

Starting point is 00:44:53 disagree with you. I think that once she got into the thing, she's committed now. Like she has said, I got raped by Connor. So all these people around her are, are behaving like this happened and she's stuck, you know, like I know it's six years later But like she told her mom that she told her dad or whoever like she told all these people that she can't walk away from It because you that if that really happened you have to like you're all in now, dude Like that's what you said And I think the reason she wasn't saying Connor is because she did not want to do anything about it legally because she's fucking lying. She's trying to talk her way out of, yeah, you know, I was doing cocaine and had sex with a celebrity in a

Starting point is 00:45:30 penthouse, you know, and then his friend. Now the thing about James being the coke guy, I actually didn't know that. And I saw, you know, him being like kind of a mystery and me still not really knowing the, you know, how the injuries actually happened. I mean, is it possible that when they went back up there that Connor's friend is the one that beat the shit out of her and took it? That's not impossible. Like that to me, that is another area where that actually honestly, probably makes the most sense out of any theory that I can think of if they're

Starting point is 00:45:59 saying that the injuries were consistent with a violent rape. But we're talking about Conor McGregor, he's the one that she sued. Is there like a, I mean, I don't know why she was, do you know what I mean? Is there a world where she said Conor but it actually happened with a friend? Totally.

Starting point is 00:46:15 And if, I mean, I didn't hear the recordings with the boyfriend. I have no reason to think the boyfriend is more likely to have beat the shit out of her than Conor's friend. But what I can say confidently is Connor didn't do it because again, her behavior after and all the things that I've laid out. Jason. Yeah. I again, completely disagree. Let's talk about, you know, I ran a bar before I getting back into this. So I had about 20 hot, 20 something year old chicks

Starting point is 00:46:45 that liked to party. And like you said, there are those types of girls that wanna stay up all night, do cocaine, have sex with multiple guys. They exist, I've been around them. That doesn't mean they also can't be raped. Also as a child of somebody who was a cocaine addict and dealer

Starting point is 00:47:06 well before the days of text messages, you don't tell your kids what you're doing. It might not have been a text messages that I was cutting hair, but certainly maybe a phone call, hey, I'm hanging out with this person or I'm visiting this aunt, blah, blah, blah, blah. Listen, when you're on cocaine, you're a liar.

Starting point is 00:47:23 Let's be honest. I mean, Sam, I think that you, you know, having a substance abuse. Never lied on cocaine ever. Always know the truth. Me neither, dude. Not once. Never lied on cocaine. I will say that it does make you a true sociopath and psychopath if you go down the dark roots. So again, I'm not compelled by that evidence. As far as Lawrence's testimony, described by journalists, he was sweating on the stand, he was very uncomfortable up there. I'll let people decide for themselves. As far as the CCTV footage, what she was doing after the fact, I got to tell you, you know me, Sam, I'm a big source material guy. I'd like to see that CCTV footage, all of it myself, and make my own interpretation. I think you would agree. Again, for me to be compelled to think that somehow there was, she was partying after the fact, hardcore, I'd have to see it for myself because again,

Starting point is 00:48:20 what I saw described was the victory dance was played upon and the kissing on the arm thing. All right now if what she described is true and she's even blacking out well because Connor says they both had sex with her twice right that's the whole thing. There's also the possibility that Lawrence is the one that ends up rescuing her after the fact that would be before the sexual encounter and you know basically taking her wherever and she's just thankful. Again, I don't know, I'm speculating on that. She's very adamant, she has no recollection of after that fact and that's from the time

Starting point is 00:48:56 she's in the ambulance, from the time she's given statements six years ago, all the way up until court. And I do believe her. I mean, when you are on a, I think by that point at two and a half, it's three days later, she gets picked up at her house in her pajamas after the fact, probably no sleep after the incident. I don't know that you'd necessarily remember everything.

Starting point is 00:49:17 Then again, I don't do cocaine. I've never blacked out in my life, you know, and I've had some benders. You too, Jesse? Can I ask one question? Sure that packed out in my life. You know, and I've had some vendors you too, Jesse. Can I ask one? Can I ask one question? Sure. Just a super super fast. What has she

Starting point is 00:49:33 done to earn your faith in the things that she said the forensic evidence for me is just so over the top that I I just find it hard to believe. I don't know where she gets those injuries. I know you speculated on it, but when you go into detail on the ambulance worker and the other one, they say it's all consistent, not only with rape, but like the most violent rape they've seen. And as far as that quote that you said, I don't, the guy's a psychopath. I don't doubt he'd say something crazy like that.

Starting point is 00:50:01 Hey, who knows how many days he'd been up doing cocaine? Like that's the other thing. I think that we can't argue. It's a joke. Like you saw his apology, right? That he shouldn't have stepped out on his wife. Dude, you saw the video of him at BKFC grabbing the chick's hair while his wife's in the room. You know, as soon as this happened, by the way, and I found out about it in January, maybe three weeks after the incident. So it happens in December of 2018, January. I find out just before the Super Bowl, they rolled that motherfucker out on the Super Bowl with his kid in matching purple suits, playing him up like a family man. Every time this has been discussed, it is, it is, you're not allowed

Starting point is 00:50:45 to talk about it. Remember when Cowboy came in for that fight and the New York Times finally reported on this and they asked the question? Dana didn't say nothing, Connor didn't say nothing, Cowboy jumped in and said, hey, we're here for a fight. We're not talking about that today. Everybody's been railroaded on this subject, okay? And there's been numerous instances of violence and sexual abuse. You know, I also hear the argument all the time, oh, famous people, they get accused of this all the time. That's true. But normally not multiple times, never with this amount of violence, okay? And I can name a baker's dozen celebrities where this never happens to.

Starting point is 00:51:26 Look, I'm not a believe all women's guy. You know this. I often point, I mean, if you think about the media coverage of Tyson back in the day, who you could argue in combat sports, they were same levels, right? That's a he said, she said thing to me, right? She doesn't come out beaten and bruised. It's not a cocaine party. She's up there alone with the guy, et cetera. That's a he said, she said thing to me, right? She doesn't come out beaten and bruised. It's not a cocaine party.

Starting point is 00:51:46 She's up there alone with the guy, et cetera. It's not part of a three day bender. There's many things on that case. And the media covered that. They didn't touch it here. They didn't touch it here. And I think again, I don't think it's just the Kinnahan stuff.

Starting point is 00:52:00 Why would they not wanna touch it? One of the things I didn't hit upon is when we are, and you talked about the criminal thing, when you talk about criminal prosecutions at the time in Ireland, this is horrendous, but it's true. Only one in 12 rape convictions goes through. Now, don't get me wrong, there's pleas and all that other stuff, but we know most women don't even report this, right? Now you're up against a celebrity. We're not just talking to celebrity. He's making he's a multi billion dollar guy to ESPN, WME Entertainment, Disney, the UFC. I mean, they're talking about him fighting again.

Starting point is 00:52:33 He's never going to fight again, but just talking about it. I have a circus fight if they let him they'll do something like Jake Paul. He's never fighting real competition again. But anyway, look at this. That's that's 8%, bro. That's crazy in Ireland. Whether you believe some women, there's no way that 11 out of 12 women that reported to the police are lying. Let's at least agree on that. And I'm not saying there aren't manipulative lying women. I'm not even saying this woman is not a manipulative lying woman. I'm not even saying this woman is not a manipulative lying woman. All right. I'm saying bar none, the forensic evidence, the tenacity and behavior in this case,

Starting point is 00:53:13 the desire for still with that one in 12 to try to get a criminal case on this, the desire to bring the police themselves in to testify, which they would not. The way Lawrence acted, how this whole thing went down. And again, my knowledge firsthand of how people on cocaine act, I have dated some of those crazy girls over the years. You know what I mean? They'll lie right to your face and smile while doing it. So I don't think any of that plays into it,

Starting point is 00:53:44 but let me just say this. I want to see as much as the first-hand forensic evidence as possible. The eyewitness stuff is great. Obviously, I would prefer, you know, to actually see the testimony videotaped wise other than just transcripts, but that's what I've always based my stuff on. And look, you can say the circumstantial stuff about the model being thrown off the boat, about the fact that her car was firebombed, don't matter. I think it does, right?

Starting point is 00:54:15 It shows a pattern of behavior. And you know, you've had Khabib come out in 2019, call him a rapist, everybody ignored that. Islam Makashev, current champion, just came out, called him a rapist. Everybody ignored that. Islam Makashev, current champion, just came out, called him a rapist, said that there's going to be even more stuff coming out about him. And look, I'm sure there is, you know, one of the things, again, and this is a character thing, I don't care if you cheat on your wife or your girlfriend or whatever, like if that's, that's between you and her, right? She's sped off. I think two days after the cowboy fix

Starting point is 00:54:47 He's passed out. I mean, it's it's the night after but the video surfaces two days later. He's passed out in some Some chicks bedroom and she's got a selfie cam going and she's going well. We made it ma we made it I know there's crazy women out there that woman wasn't beaten and bruised and she made it, Ma, we made it. I know there's crazy women out there. That woman wasn't beaten and bruised and she made it. She was in full force. This woman to me was not, I don't think that she's gone psycho for six years. I'm not even, who knows what kind of med she's been on

Starting point is 00:55:19 off of these are issues we've always talked about, Sam. The bottom line is the forensic evidence, the top to bottom documentation. She didn't wait. She was scared shitless to report the name over and over again. The other guy ends up being even a surprise. If that's not a surprise to her, right, especially, you know, he went in, I believe it was January 17th or 18th. Let's see. We'll go right here. That's here. It is right here. January 18th. So this is when he was actually questioned for this.

Starting point is 00:55:52 You know, that's the point where James Lawrence comes in. So now you're telling me a month after the attack and she's finally named the guy in a criminal case. She she just happened to, you know, not mention that there was some kind of a sexual encounter with the guy. I'm not buying that either. And that was their defense in court. They said that they had colluded together. So again, if they had nothing to hide, Connor may have deleted his text messages. He had nothing to hide other than from D. What's Lawrence's excuse? Show me all the text messages where they're like, oh, what a party last night and she was all in and you know all this

Starting point is 00:56:28 No, I bet you their text messages show a very very different thing. But again, that's that can't even be discussed I would love to see a criminal case But again a criminal case in Ireland does that even work with one out of twelve and all those obstacles? I don't know that it does I'll stop ranting and raving because I got a whole not thing to do at the top of the hour after this. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is what I was going to say is like, I, it's, it's like a counter to my, uh, to my kind of basic makeup to be arguing against a girl who was the victim of whatever. But again, I wanted to reiterate, I am not talking about Connor's character.

Starting point is 00:57:08 I'm not talking about any of those other cases. I am solely talking about this particular incident and this particular woman. And the bottom line is if somebody told me that that CCTV of her remaining at the hotel and partying with that James did not exist, that would change literally everything for me. But the fact that it does exist, that's the thing that I can't get past. Because as soon as he said, as soon as we can establish

Starting point is 00:57:35 that, which she's acknowledged at this point, and that she had sex with him because she sued him for sexual assault afterwards. So like this is my issue with your life. She didn't really acknowledge it because she was like, I have no memory of it happening or before him, but that was the only way to get him into court because he had claimed it. I just want to make that clear. No, yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:53 Yeah, go ahead. So that is my issue with your logic on that is that you have two options. One is that she just doesn't remember any of it and she got completely blindsided by it. Or your option is if she admitted that to the police, they would automatically know that her story about Connor is a fabricated lie. So you have to assume that she really actually blacked out two hours after something she remembers every detail of while she's doing cocaine. And Sam, is that something that happens from doing cocaine?

Starting point is 00:58:29 Do you do cocaine for two hours and then black out? Because in my experience, it's the exact opposite of that. You know, you're you might be up all night, but your senses are sharpening. Your memory is sharp. You're not going to black out after two more hours of doing blow. So that doesn't make sense to me at all. And then also, you know, like, again, she left that out because it blows her lie apart. If she admits it, when she's confronted with the video evidence, only then when she's completely stone caught,

Starting point is 00:59:01 does she change her story? You know what I mean? It's like, and there are two there. really stone caught. Does she change her story? You know what I mean? It's like and there are two there. I feel like she changed her story. She when we're talking about this, I want to I want to make it really clear. First of all, we don't know whether she was drugged, how much alcohol was involved after the fact. Right now, Connors DNA was inside of her. Let's make that also have sex with her. Hold on. James was not. So again, it was never in the condom. Well, that's what he says. But again, so again, there's no DNA evidence of him doing that either where there is DNA evidence of condom. So that's also, I'm not saying

Starting point is 00:59:37 that again, the condom thing wouldn't preclude that, but let's just say they didn't find a pubic hair. They didn't find anything like that. Okay, so I don't think her lawyers came out and said they believed that they were colluding together to create a narrative to confuse the story. I want to make that and the only recourse they had was to bring him to court, not because they believed that he sexually assaulted her because that was his confession of what he had said. Well, then she sued him for sexual assault. Well, again, there was no other route to get him into this court case, right? Because they were in it together. This is an evening together. They made it very clear that they weren't looking, they weren't even sure it happened. And they doubted that it happened from the beginning. I just want to put that out there. That's in the in the case. So go ahead. But like, there's no way to know for sure that he had sex with her, but they have hours of them hanging out

Starting point is 01:00:35 in the bar kissing his arm, whatever. And then them going into the elevator and back up to the penthouse where he says they had sex, which obviously lines up with just standard human behavior. where he says they had sex, which obviously lines up with just standard human behavior. And again, that logic really doesn't make sense to me. Why would they want to bring him into a case when he is going to directly contradict her story when it comes to Connor? And then put this fact pattern together that supports that she's not telling the truth about Connor It doesn't make any sense to me that you would want to bring him in It's one of those things again. That's like it the way it probably played out. She makes up the story to explain how again I have no idea about the injuries. I'm not gonna pretend I do but then once you know, she's like, yeah

Starting point is 01:01:18 No, it's just Connor and then they're like, no, it wasn't here's you on camera and then she's like, oh, alright Well, then I guess I don't remember that. And it's like, it seems it just like I can't buy the sleepwalking after brutal, violent drape. And then, you know, just went down to the bar to have some drinks. Like, it doesn't matter how so how drunk someone is. Doesn't matter how coked out they are. If someone beats the living shit out of you and rapes you, you are not hanging out and having drinks afterwards. If that did not happen,

Starting point is 01:01:49 then my opinion changes. If it did, which I've seen for all my entire argument is based almost exclusively on that fact, stayed at the hotel, had drinks after and did not have any marks on her. And both people testified she was not injured at the time. From there, every other thing, I'm like, I don't believe it then, because that right there kills the entire case. Like the podcast serial, like one of those first massive true crimes podcasts

Starting point is 01:02:14 where it was like, did Adnan do it? Did he not do it? Yada, yada, yada. And there's all this like kind of circumstantial stuff that he didn't do it. But the part that I always come back to, I'm like, he fucking did it, man, is the fact that the guy that I always come back to, I'm like, he fucking did it, man, is the fact that the guy that they established for 100% sure was with Adnan that entire day.

Starting point is 01:02:30 He is the one who knew where the victim's car was. They hid the car and he took police directly to the car, which means if Adnan is with this guy, this guy 100% was involved because he's the only one that knew where her car was. And if Adnan was there, explain to me how he did not do the murder. Cause all this other stuff is fucking noise, nonsense. And that's exactly how this case is to me, where it's like, if she's down there partying noise, unless there is something that absolutely definitively shows that Connor did this. Otherwise I don't believe it. You're muted, Sam. Oh, you both had really strong arguments. Johnny, do you have any thoughts? Jason, now do you? I wasn't quite clear. Maybe you said, do you doubt that she went down and partied after or

Starting point is 01:03:20 does that just not hold weight for you? So again, from what I've seen reported in there, as far as her having drinks at the bar, I know that I think they reported her in the bar area. I wasn't even sure it was the same hotel. I thought that they may have actually gone to a separate hotel, her and James Lawrence. I may be wrong about that. But again, from what I saw, the two things that the prosecution, or I'm sorry, the defense put on was that she did some type of victory dance that was described as such. I have no idea what that means, et cetera. I don't know the context. And then also that she

Starting point is 01:03:57 was on an arm and kissed an arm. I saw nothing about making out or partying after the fact, et cetera, other than I believe it was the eyewitness, the woman that was with her, that said after they came out, they had drinks. I don't know that that was caught on CCTV camera footage that may have been in the hotel. Again, I'd like to see the footage. Don't get me wrong. Let me ask this.

Starting point is 01:04:24 If it did happen that way, would it change what you think? If it happened that I could see her partying and doing a victory dance and making out with the guy after the fact, I'd certainly, I would certainly consider it, but I would also want to see the clarity of the footage, the timeline. And again, if she's totally blacked out at that point, there's a thing called GHB everybody. We haven't talked about the fact that there's a possibility that she was drugged too. I'm not saying that happened, but to dismiss that, you know, again, after the amount of physical trauma, I can't imagine, you know, sticking around and partying in a bar for hours. I don't think that's what was presented in that case. I think, again, they were in that area. There was some footage inside a, I believe, an elevator as well. I don't even know what the quality is, right? I would doubt that from the quality I'm going to be able to see any kind of injuries, especially if she's clothed, etc. But

Starting point is 01:05:30 once again, if she's clothed after the fact she's down there partying, yeah, that would put some doubt in my mind. But I can't get over the forensics at all. And the fact that when you look at the trauma and the fact that she cried rape from the very beginning, I don't believe the ex boyfriend or whatever would have had anything to do with it. The way the case has been handled after the fact, I just can't see any other way. And then again, again, I know that it's supposedly circumstantial, the guy doesn't have the best track record with women. Okay, and in a media that's so happy. I don't think that's circumstantial. I think that's super important to know for sure, to note a pattern of behavior,

Starting point is 01:06:11 which is why I believed in it at first. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, I think it's a bad thing. Okay, and that's the other thing. I don't think this guy's done. All right, and I don't think we know everything about him. I think he's a very bad person. And to me, this has never been about a cash grip.

Starting point is 01:06:26 Hell Sam, you know how much I love MMA. I love being the poor man's Joe Rogan. I'll never get to the level where I'm calling UFC fights, let's be honest. And I would point to an interview that Dana White recently did. Cause if you don't think Dana and the boys know all this stuff.

Starting point is 01:06:44 I mean, when I did this for an hour on Alex Jones at Infowars, you know, I pissed Jones off so much that that Sunday he went off about it for 20 minutes. So look, you know, I pushed some buttons, but Dana White on the Two Bears, One Cave podcast starts talking about Conor McGregor and how smart he is and how intelligent he is and, you know, the business dealings. And then almost in the same breath, the next thing he talks about when they're talking about his work there, he goes, you know what my job is? He goes, there's a lot of bad guys that do bad things that are in this sport. And my job is that you don't know about it. I mean, straight up like crazy already and. He's an employee in slip or whatever. Go watch it yourself.

Starting point is 01:07:27 But he literally says that he says there's a lot of bad news. Yeah. And he goes, it's my job that you don't know about it. Damn straight. And if anybody doesn't know who Ari Emanuel is, who essentially took the US, it was such a badass. All right. That he took the investment the Saudi Arabians made pre them selling on wall street, which was substantial at the

Starting point is 01:07:48 time and just handed it back to them because of the Jamal Khashoggi thing before they went public and they made no money on it. That's how I agree, dude. Listen, I mean, our Emmanuel guys, he's Ari from entourage. No, he's got very deep ties. The massage very deep ties, the last up, very deep ties to a lot of stuff. Get ready for Las Vegas style action at Bet MGM, the king of online casinos! Enjoy casino games at your fingertips with the same Vegas strip excitement MGM is famous for

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Starting point is 01:09:16 I've seen it in my own life. Just craziness there of women saying stuff that that isn't actually true. So what I'm gonna say to this is, this is an enigma of a case. There's a lot of stuff that suggests it did happen, and then there's things that don't make sense that go make you go, I don't think this happened. And it just really sucks that we're in this kind of place

Starting point is 01:09:45 right now where we have to kind of be like, I don't know if it's real or not. And that makes me sad because I have two daughters and you both put out great, great, great, great arguments. Both of them are great. I agree we need to see CCTV footage. I don't even think we disagree. I actually don't think we disagree. I actually don't think we disagree.

Starting point is 01:10:05 I think like we're just literally like, I honestly don't even think we disagree because if I'm just assuming that the CCTV footage that's described as real and if it's real, because if it's not, then I retract my argument. By the way, you know, and I like that we could by the way, Sam, facilitate a real conversation here because like, and and and and and and and

Starting point is 01:10:34 and and and and and and and If you look at this guy, they're trying to get him involved in politics. They love people that are compromised. Can't get enough of it. I don't want to see that happen.

Starting point is 01:10:50 Uh, number two, it's just like so many people, like for instance, kind of this, his side of the argument is coming from like these conservatives, et cetera. Obviously Andrew Tate, you see Candace Owens. I saw Roger Stone jump in. They don't know a third of the things that we just talked about in this case. And I, and, and Jesse seems to know a lot about him, led with the woman being thrown off the boat, didn't come from a place of ignorance. You know what I mean? I think maybe some of the things that, you know, again, the making out,

Starting point is 01:11:21 I hadn't seen that, etc. But I also hadn't seen that quote. So, look, I'm a human being. I'm going to make mistakes. I don't think I've made a mistake on this one. But I think that we also all agree that the more source material, the more firsthand information that you don't have to rely on, he said, she said, the forensic evidence is what matters. You don't have to rely on he said, she said. The forensic evidence is what matters. All right, guys. Well, it was great. I respect you both very much. It went way better than I thought it was gonna go.

Starting point is 01:11:52 You both were respectful of each other. I think you both came out here with strong arguments. I wanna thank the 2,000 people that watched this live. We changed the time. You guys obviously both have a great following and are loved by your fans that they would tune in and watch. And again, this is a dangerous, dangerous conversation because if you go, hey man, I don't think this is real,

Starting point is 01:12:14 you really put your neck on the line. So I respect that, Jesse. And I, you know, Jason, I respect your research as well. You've been doing it for a long time. Thank you guys both for coming on. We appreciate it. Either of you guys can do whatever you want with this footage. It's up to you. I release it to you guys. And we appreciate you guys. Thank you guys so much. Thank you to everybody tuning in. I hope you had a great Thanksgiving. Go to SamTribble.com. Check out

Starting point is 01:12:38 my dates. I'm going to be in Tampa Bay this Friday coming up. And then I've got- Come to Austin. Bro, I'm doing it on the, I'll be there on the 18th, dude. We'll hook up December 18th. December? Yep. Let's go. All right. And check out chaostwins.com.

Starting point is 01:12:56 Grab your copy of the latest issue of my comic book. Anything else you guys want to promote at all? Just follow my ex. Yeah, follow. Jesse on fire. Real Jesse on fire. Well, I couldn't find it so I couldn't tag you. I get in on it, Jesse, because I think you'll love what's happening. You couldn't find it so I'm shadow banned. I fucking knew it, dude. Go for it. Anything, Jason? Uh yeah. Uh at Jason Burmess on X also and then I got a show five days a week over

Starting point is 01:13:23 at patriot.tv, making sense of the madness, five Eastern, go check it out. Okay, Johnny, anything? My show's on YouTube, Jesse on Fire on YouTube, and then real Jesse on Fire on X. Okay, real Jesse on Fire on X? Okay, we'll get that.

Starting point is 01:13:36 Johnny, anything? New Broken Sam is out tomorrow. Check it out. All right, guys, we love you. Thank you for everything. We'll talk to you soon. Thank you, everybody. Here's a clip from the latest Broken Sam video of, uh, Tucker Carlson.

Starting point is 01:13:49 So a couple of weeks old, but talking about how he got kind of like assaulted by a demon while he was asleep. Kickstarting people to have you seen this? No, but I, I Tucker's interesting. Yeah. Do you see that? Do you see the clip I put up? I did.

Starting point is 01:14:04 He was saying I was right. Yeah. We talked about it a couple of see the clip I put up? I did. I'm saying I was right. Yeah. We talked about it a couple of weeks ago. I didn't articulate the point. It's so funny in my head. I started articulated it way better. I thought you did a great job. I wish, wish you had included the first part, explain what you were talking about.

Starting point is 01:14:16 Cause it seems you just launched into it. Yeah. I mean, it's gotta be a minute 30, dude. It can't go over that or else it gets cut off. Like I, I had to take down this whole clip should have the other person they should have had you and then the part but the Jimmy Dore thing is funny dude it's a funny ass clip do you think go on the presence of evil is kick-starting people to wonder about the goods what happened to me that's what happened to you oh yeah I had a direct

Starting point is 01:14:42 experience with it. In the milieu of journalism or just... No, in my bed at night and I got attacked while I was asleep with my wife and four dogs in the bed and mauled. Physically mauled. In a spiritual attack by a demon? Yeah, by a demon. Or by something unseen that left... Is that right?

Starting point is 01:15:05 Claw marks on my sides, on my... So it left physical marks. Oh, they're still there. Yeah, yeah. Show us! Was your wife terrified? I know you were. That's what I thought. I wasn't. I was totally confused. I woke up and I couldn't breathe

Starting point is 01:15:17 and I thought I was going to suffocate and I walked around outside and then I walked in and my wife and dogs had not woken up and they're very light sleepers. And then I walked in and my wife and dogs had not woken up and they're very light sleepers and then I had these terrible pains on my ribcage and on my shoulder and I was just in my boxer shorts and I went and flipped on the light in the bathroom and I had four claw marks on either side underneath my arms and on my left shoulder they're bleeding. Wait they were bleeding? They're bleeding yeah. No actual claw marks? They were bleeding, yeah. They were actual claw marks.

Starting point is 01:15:46 And I sleep on my side, so I wasn't clawing myself. I don't have long nails. And they didn't fit my hands anyway. But yeah, that happened. So, I'm not from a world where things like that happen. I never heard of anything like that happening before. I had no idea what that was. I knew it was spiritual immediately.

Starting point is 01:16:03 You did? Okay, that was going to be my question. Yeah. I don't understand to this day. I'm not going to put it in. You didn't try to refute the spiritual part in your own mind. It went, you went right into the, it didn't make any sense and it doesn't now. Um, so, but I'm not from a, what do they call it? Faith tradition that, um, talks about things like that or even acknowledges their existence.

Starting point is 01:16:23 Like anyway, that, uh, it's kind of wild, right? Like what? Yeah, it is wild. You know, it's interesting because when I post that video, of course, everyone's calling him a CIA plant and I'm not saying he's not, uh, but it's like, you gotta go, what is he not talking about? Like, that's my whole thing. Like, what is he not talking about that you think he should be talking about?

Starting point is 01:16:47 Good question. Cause he seems to talk about everything. Israel Zionism, spirituality, spiritual war. Like, I like what, what is he not talking about? And I'm open mind to it all again. I never put my eggs in anybody's basket. You know, I, I, I, I'm open-minded to all of it. Well, we've got to leave some room for redemption, right?

Starting point is 01:17:11 We have to leave room for redemption and we just have to take it day by day. Like, it's just like, if you shut people out, it's just like, where, what are you doing, what kind of world you live in? It's okay to be blackpilled, but you have to be open-minded to that. Not everybody's in on. Get ready for Las Vegas-style action at Bet MGM, the king of online casinos! Enjoy casino games at your fingertips with the same Vegas-strip excitement MGM is famous for when you play classics like MGM Grand Millions or popular games like Blackjack,

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Starting point is 01:18:13 the the the the To speak to an advisor free of charge bet MGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario Now when I do the union of the unwanted they just light up Rogan all the time I go dude that guy's the same guy behind closed doors same dude same dude Everyone gives me shit

Starting point is 01:18:40 But I'm not what else is he not talking. He's another one of these guys. What does he not talk about? You know what I mean? Sure. There's some things like he's afraid to touch them because he's such a huge platform. But dude, I mean, you can watch the evolution of that show. Yeah, but dude, it's very organ. People don't understand. It's at the center of that thing is a dude, like a dude, a dude who gets stomach eggs, farts, fucking, you know, watches fucking chicks do jiggly tick comedy on the internet. Like he's incredibly focused, but he's also in a lot of ways, uh, just a regular dude, you know, he likes regular dude shit and he doesn't get all the data that let's say you and I get because of our show

Starting point is 01:19:26 So it's like what do you mean? What was that last part? I mean, he doesn't get all the data What does that mean? Like you and I get the good shit on Tim Fall half We get the good info by people who do deep research it that most people couldn't even understand if they came on If they sat down they would be shocked to their core, but weird every day because we're blessed like that, right? Also, he's also got different, he's got a different format. We don't do these four hour epics and he's got a different, he's got different interests than you do. So you couldn't expect it. Like he, you would never have on a guy to go through pictures of, you know, like a,

Starting point is 01:20:04 Like he, you would never have on a guy to go through pictures of, uh, you know, like a, uh, an archeological dig for four hours. We've had that guy on he's been on our show. Yeah. But I mean, come on, you wouldn't, you wouldn't have them on like the show. The frame compared to like the seedlings and stuff. Right. But like, uh, he's not going to get into Kabbalah magic. That's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 01:20:22 It's a different, that's not what Rogan is going to get into because he, he, he, he just not, it's just like, it hasn't gotten to him yet. But the point is, is that Rogan is a normal dude. And you know, yes, he has Eddie Bravo and Alex Jones in his ear. If you'd like to hear the rest of this episode, subscribe to broken simulation in your podcasting app or check us out at youtube.com slash Sam Tripoli. We go deep home, boys.

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