Tomorrow - Mark Zuckerberg's Unusual Vision

Episode Date: September 26, 2024

This week, Josh and Rani discuss Caroline Ellison's sentencing, as well as the fact that Sam Bankman-Fried and Diddy may very well be fighting for control of the channel changer in their jail's common room right now. Also, the lackluster achievement of Apple's new intelligence feature for iPhone, Meta's AR glasses, and the official introduction of the Elon Musk's worst tweet bracket. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey and welcome to Tomorrow. I'm your host, Joshua Topolsky. And I'm your other host, Ronnie Mola. And we are back. We are back. It's been another exciting week. I mean, technically speaking, we're still in the midst of the week, but things are heating up and cooling down all over the world of technology and beyond the world of technology. A lot of legal stuff going on right now in regards to tech.

We've got the Googles, they're going into their what, second week of? Yeah, Google started making its case about why it is not a advertising monopoly. It's not. And actually, there's a slide floating around. I don't know if you've seen it. Oh, yeah. I'm trying to explain how they're not

on three sides of the deal. And it's very, very complicated. It looks like they're on 50 sides of the deal. No, it's not. I wish I could describe it. I'm going to try to describe it. Southwick- Yeah, try to describe it. Kline- I've made these slides before. I remember I've done doing org charts, I'm always like, well, there's a dotted line from here to here, and this person also goes over here. And you end up with these octopus charts where you've

got these lines connecting boxes everywhere. But the Google one is like, it's got these like four rows of boxes. And then there are these dotted lines that are crisscrossing back and forth between these four rows. I think it's four rows of boxes. Three or four?

In each column of boxes, there's like, you know, five or six or four to six things anyhow it just looks like none of the none of the lines make any sense whatsoever like you couldn't possibly follow one of those lines and i don't know if they thought that was an advantage for them like that maybe terrible graphic design as an advantage or maybe they'd be like you see it's all so complex. How can we possibly have a monopoly? Because as you can see, it's a complex, interconnected web that really one side doesn't control any

other side of it. But really, most of the boxes say Google on them. No, no. In each column, there's one non-Google thing. So there's like four or five columns with like four to six things in each column, and then one out of the four to six in a couple of the columns isn't Google, but everything else is.

So it's like, I'd say it's like 80%, 85% Google businesses, maybe even 90% Google businesses, and then just like a web of dots underneath them. I think the takeaway was supposed to be, I don't know. I honestly don't know. Southwick I think it makes it look like they are very interconnected, and they do own all the sides of the deal. They worked against them. Kline It feels like it's going in the other direction. They're like, look at how much our stuff is interconnected and reliant on the other direction. They're like, look at how much our stuff is interconnected and

reliant on the other thing. So I'm not sure they're making the case they want to make. So there's that. There's the Google monopoly, which is honestly so boring. I don't want to be rude, but I mean, the most interesting thing we can talk about here is that they've made a bad slide. Like, I don't know. It might be a monopoly, might be keeping all these other businesses out. I mean, the case itself might be dry, but I think once we find out what happens,

exciting, at least for me. I don't wanna rehash what we talked about last week. As a person who's intimately involved in navigating the advertising world, it's all very obvious to me, but perhaps it's to other people it's really eye opening. Maybe that maybe I'm coming at it from a, from a perch that is somewhat different. You're like, of course it's a monopoly to let's move on. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's how a lot of people feel, but I don't know. Okay. So there's that. There's

the Carolyn Ellison. She got a, you know, from the, from the Sam Begman Fried fias know. Okay. So there's that. There's the Carolyn Ellison. She got a, you know, from the, from the Sam Bankman Fried fiasco. She's going to jail. She's going to jail for two years. Even though she cooperated and, and turned everybody in, turned everybody over. I don't know what you, I don't know what the exact term is. Rolled over on everybody. Or at least on Sam Bankman Fried, I guess. Right, and how long is he in jail for?

I don't know. I don't know, but she's, but hold on, let's stick with her for a sec. Okay, sure, sure. She was like carrying out all of his like, I mean, the way I understand it is that he was like, do the fraud, and then she had to like punch the keys into the keyboard to get the fraud going. It was sort of their relationship.

I think they also dated at some point or something. They might have dated. There was like a weird everyone living on an island together. It was like, it was, you know, not very above board seeming. None of it. The fraud, the girlfriend, boyfriend thing. Yeah. So she got two years.

He got 25 years. Oh, you got 25. That's insane. Yeah, I was just looking because we linked to a few different things in our story. And there is there's a there's a screenshot that we linked to an article on Jezebel. There's a screenshot from her Tumblr. And here's she wrote. Here's what I think are some cute boy things.

And this is a bulleted list. Controlling most major world governments is number one. Okay? Being responsible for many important inventions and scientific discoveries. Spatial reasoning abilities. Low risk aversion. And finally, I think the best one, sufficient strength to physically overpower you. Which, what an interesting mixture of items.

Starting with controlling world governments and ending with enough strength to physically overpower you. Which I should say, taking a little glance at Sam Bankman Fried, I'm not so sure, okay? At a glance, I don't know about all that. But on the first point, few points, I don't know about all that. But on the first point, few points, you know, I don't know about important inventions and scientific discoveries.

I think if you could swap that with making stuff up and stealing money from people, like, that might be one of them. I'm sure all of this felt very, like, you know, nice to him to hear. He was like, aw, thanks. He's like, you shouldn't have. Anyhow, so she's in jail.

He's in jail. I'll tell you who's in jail is Sean Diddy Combs. Do we say Diddy now in the middle, or should we just say Sean Combs, or what do we? Puff Daddy. We don't say Puff Daddy anymore. P Diddy. P Diddy.

P Diddy is in jail. In the same jail. In the same jail. They're sharing a space. Him and Sam Bankman Fried apparently are... I want them to be a fly on the wall in that prison. God only knows what they're going to cook up in there. You know what I mean?

New terrible crimes. I mean, God only knows what's going to happen in there. I mean, the Diddy stuff, I got to say, and we talked about this last week, not to go down a rabbit hole. Did we talk about Diddy stuff last week? No, we didn't talk about Diddy stuff last week. I was about to say what we talked about last week before I was interrupted.

Sorry. That's fine. I, no, last week we were talking about the For You pages and the algorithm. And I made the mistake of on X, on Twitter, of like looking at a tweet that was like, here's a, everybody's doing this like a buckle up. I have a Diddy story now, like everywhere on social media, people are like, here's my Diddy story or like, you know, like it's like all these like

rappers are like either they're either accomplices or they're like, yeah, Diddy tried to kill me or whatever. Just literally like, I think it it's like Kid Cudi. There's a story about how literally, I read this today that Diddy fire bombed his car. Really? Yeah. Because he was dating, he had started going out with Diddy's ex-girlfriend, what, Cassie, who apparently he beat or whatever. Look, I don't-

Are you saying we should have seen the signs? I'm just saying it's like weird. No, and then people are like, oh, Eminem knew about this. And there's these old like songs that Eminem did where he's like calling him like a rapist. Oh, rap, right, rapper, rap one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I'm like, well, huh, maybe Eminem should have told someone instead of putting in a song. I mean, my first thought is when I hear all this, it's like everybody knew. It's like they're like, um, like Cat Williams, you know, whatever it was like, he's talking about it on some interview. It's like, maybe he should have talked about it with the police.

Everybody was like, I do, I do. I don't know if I'm at a party and there's like, really messed up stuff going on. Like people are being assaulted. I probably would, I don't want to sound like I'm a rat or whatever, but I probably would tell like someone. You're not allowed to go to these crime parties. Don't invite me to your freak off or whatever, if you're going to do a rape, because I will report you to the police. Like that's just a fact. That is the right thing to do. This is what I'm saying. There's really messed up stuff going on there. Guess

I'll put it in a song. Yeah. And there was also, I think, and I don't know if it's real or not, but just the picture of like 50 other celebrities at a party with them and like everyone's like hanging out and you're like, none of you said anything. None of you knew anything is going on. I don't want to say, I don't want to point fingers. You know, we don't know what rooms things were going on in, but but all I'm sorry, getting back to the, getting back to my real, the real point we're trying to make is that him and Sam bank been freed or now Diddy and Sam bank, but Fried are now sharing like a cell block somewhere in New York or whatever, which is, I don't know what that says.

It says something about society right now. They're in the celebrity prison, I guess. Is there a celebrity prison? We live in a society, is what I'm trying to say. So, yeah, there's a lot of jail time in the news this week, which I think is good. Justice is being served. I don't know. Now in the country, it's hard to say whether people think it's good or bad if people get arrested for crimes like I feel like right There's a sign near my house. That's like, you know, I'm voting for the felon. Yeah, like it's like celebrated We have a weird we do have a weird thing going on right now in culture And I don't know if I just see this is accelerated by looking at the internet because the internet isn't really like a

Doesn't really tell me what was going on out in reality by looking at the internet because the internet isn't really like a, doesn't really tell me what was going on out in reality. But I feel like on the internet, it seems to be up for debate as to whether or not like it's bad to do a crime or like if crimes even exist or like, you know, we have this weird thing. People are like, it's so strange. People are like, you've got like on the right, you've got like the thin blue line people, right? Where it's like police should be able to do whatever they want. And then you've got this like hard left, you know, it's like defund the police or whatever. It's like the police are bad. And then in the middle, you've got this thing where it's like right wing people who are like the police

are bad. Cause like crimes are not real. Like crime should be allowed, but like it's only specific crimes. Like whatever Trump's specific people, like whatever Trump did is okay. Or like the January six people like trying to like kill Nancy Pelosi, that's okay. And the cops are bad if they try to like prosecute or caress people for those crimes. But then there's a whole bunch of other crimes

that they think are still real, which I guess are the ones that like. What's the phrase for that mental gymnastics when you like, you, you hold some things and you don't know the other things. Yeah. I don't know, Ronnie, this is, I'm counting on you to have the big, the big stuff, the important terms, cognitive dissonance, cognitive dissonance. That's it.

Yeah. It's cognitive, right? Cognitive dissonance is a big powerful factor in modern America. I think Car you can't so the crime only these crimes are okay because of these reasons and you know It's really like jumbled and doesn't really I do it. It's okay when you do it. It's a crime, right? That's cognitive dissonance Just look it up folks check it out Anyhow, yeah, there's a lot of cognitive dissonance going on in the world today. We ran a story, speaking of cognitive dissonance, this is your story, isn't it? You ran today about how they figured out that no jobs are going

to be taken by AI as of yet. Yeah. So this indeed did a study. They broke down like 2,800 of the most common skills. And they looked at all the jobs, all the skills. A job isn't just one skill. It's a whole collection of skills. That's what I'm telling people all the time when they ask me what I do. I'm like, well, it's a collection of skills. I'm like Liam Neeson in Taken. It's a concept of an idea. I'm like Liam Neeson in Taken, but just about the internet. So, if you know what I mean.

They just figured out a way to ask questions to ChatTPT about these different skills and see if to test whether it would be any good at doing these things. And then they rated it based on how likely it was to be able to do those skills. Like what? Like, I don't know, like something with coding like cashier or something. Yeah, yeah. I mean, obviously, those things require physical presence. They're not going to work as well. But like they they rated all the skills and they found that there was no skill out of all these 2,800 that like chat,

GBT or the like was really good at, you know, at doing it. Like some of it could do some of it, but not like amazingly well. So they posited that like it couldn't really replace anything right now. Right. Any jobs. It's a real blow to, it's a real blow to all of the every person who I see on the internet who's like, AI is changing everything and we have to burn the planet down to power it because it's going to save us from having to do manual labor.

We're just one model away from completely doing everything for you. They could always say that, right? I don't know. I have the new, I've been testing the beta of Apple intelligence on my, on my iPhone. Oh, how's that going? It sucks. It's not doing anything interesting or good right now. Right now it'll do, it has like, it'll respond to like in iMessage, it'll be like, when somebody's like, I'm going to have to postpone. And it's like, it'll be like, it'll offer me suggestions for responding. It'll be like, okay, let's postpone. Or like, I can't postpone.

It's like, I'm like, okay, thank you. Could never have arrived at this. It's summarizing notifications. Yeah, I saw that. It's summarizing, like, it summarizes my, I have a nest that looks at my driveway so I can see when deliveries are here and stuff. And it's like, people are, there's motion in your,

you know, the Nest is reporting motion in your driveway. I'm like, cool. This is very helpful. Instead of getting a notification that says there's motion in my driveway, I now have a collection of notifications that is then turned into an English language sentence. The next note is several bits of motion in your driveway.

I'm like, OK, good. It's so dumb. I'm severely, severely disappointed, because I just got my new iPhone. Oh. Kind of at the behest of you. Oh no. Did they bully you into getting an iPhone?

Well yeah, you were like, you have an iPhone 12, I've never heard of it before. And I did want to try Apple Intelligence. I did want to be able to try it. So I sent them all this money. They sent me. You gotta get in the beta. Yeah, next time. They sent me my new iPhone.

I transferred everything all over, which was not an easy lift with two little kids hanging around trying to take my phone out of my hand. Anyway, I did it. And I don't notice anything different. All I know is that there was a button before that I could just switch to make it not ring. And now I have to like oh

You have to press the no, but you have two buttons. Don't you isn't it? Don't you also have the other button? Did you get so I have a button that has the you have a pro so I have a button that has a camera and now I have a button that I could control like I could set to anything But like I'm setting it to the thing it did before which was shut off the ringer and it's like but no But that's but you don't have the one with the other button. There's another buttons. So you didn't get the pro I did get the pro. So there's two new buttons.

Okay. There's a button at the top where the switch used to be. That's the action button. Right and then there's the other button, which they don't, it's not a camera button, but it's the camera button. It's the camera button. At the bottom, right?

Yeah, I got the camera button. So you're using it? The camera button, yes. The action button, it just seems so stupid that like I'm using the one action I've set it to is the one I wanted to do, which is to shut off the ringer. It's just a thing you need sort of like really quickly and importantly when you're things going off. I ideally like in a perfect world, I'd have like voice memo on there and then I'm out reporting and I'm pressing it. You can put voice memos on.

You can, but then you can't put, shut off the ringer. And that's like so important. No, you just, you just use map that they put a physical button on the phone and it can just do one thing. Just one thing. Just one thing. I think you could set up a shortcut. So it does two things with like two people.

Oh my God. Then I had to set up a shortcut. I was just, I was just having a conversation with somebody on, I think Jonathan Hoefler, who is a font guy. He commented on how bad the iOS, how bad the latest version of iOS is in terms of its like, I think I kind of ripped you off actually in my response. But he was talking about how the interface of iOS

is so just completely chaotic now. And I was like, yeah, it's like six operating systems in a trench coat. But it is. I ripped someone else off for that, so don't worry. But it is so chaotic and so lacking in cohesion. I'm like, yeah, you put this physical button on here. What you just said makes me feel crazy.

You're like, oh, I think you can set up a shortcut to have it do more than one thing. And I'm like, OK, so I can go into the shortcuts app and create a special shortcut that I can trigger from the new button that will then bring up a menu that will let me select something. Like, come on. And already, I'm trying to train myself

to use these new buttons. I'm like, oh, you know, like, it's a hard thing to do because your phone becomes sort of like an appendage to you. You quickly muscle memory. Muscle memory. Yeah. And I'm like, I have to remember this and it's not my problem. It's Apple's problem.

They shouldn't do this. This is, this is bad design. It's Apple's problem. I mean, there's no, this is, this is, I mean, I have a, if you want, I can go into my theory, my grand unified theory. One of my great theories. I mean, I think that we're so, so, so far out from the invention of these phones. And the truth is that Apple, for all of the things they've changed about how the iPhone

works, they haven't really changed that much. And that to me is a problem. Like from a fun at a fundamental level, like actually I think the notifications thing is a perfect example. Notifications are, like we've never before had this many apps notifying us. Like this is the most, for lots of reasons, it's impure, it's an actual fact that never before have we had this many apps on a phone that want to notify you.

And never before has the notification space been such a valuable space for an app developer, right? It's like it forces you to pay attention to the phone. You're like, oh, like the New York Times, if you're a New York Times app user, you will find that they love to send breaking news alerts all the time. Breaking news, Pepsi changes its recipe for the first time in 100 years.

It's like stuff like that they'll do. It's always like like this CEO you don't care about, you know, love the company or tennis. New photo of I want to we're gonna talk about the hippo in a minute But I want to get I wanted to go down a mood dang rabbit hole Is that the name of the hippo by the way my is that correct? I think so. Is it mood dang or did I just make that up? It'd be crazy if I just made up a name for the hippo that wasn't real. Yeah, moodang, D-E-N-G. We'll talk about, we'll talk about moodang in a second.

But anyhow, the point is, but that, now they're like, hey, we can, no notifications are noisy. We're gonna fix it for you with AI. And the AI is like, here's what your notification said from this app or whatever. I mean, I can read it to you. I mean, I'll tell you there. This is what it's doing.

I know I'm in beta, you know, maybe it was going to get better. I hope so. I really hope so. Cause like I was hoping like maybe by next month when I get open intelligence, like my phone will be worth the $1200 right now. I feel like I should have just kept my old phone. Yeah. Here's, here's, here's what it says nest multiple people in motion detected at driveway.

Wow. thanks. Good, helpful. Here's Amazon package delivered, shipping update for package. These two notifications is combined into a summary. The summary is like, here's kind of what the notification said. Reality is like the notification area is a disaster. Notifications are a disaster. I know so many people who are just like,

I mute all of my notifications. I don't even look at them anymore. I know so many people who've turned off notifications. This is an area where somebody could actually innovate. Apple's just asleep at the wheel on this. I mean, I would say, I don't wanna be like an Android guy, but I think Android has done much better

with how to manage and deal with notifications, like all in, like all told. Can I tell you my grand unified theory about AI? Please do. That it doesn't like so much tell you anything better, it just tells you more stuff. Like it just enables people to write more. It more or wordier versions of the same stuff. It's like, everyone's like, Oh, I could send more emails and write more marketing copy.

But like it's never better. It's just more. I mean, so my grand unified theory was more about like phone operating systems, which is, which is, I think we are the current state of operating systems for phones is does not match or meet the moment for what these things actually do or how people use them. I think we are, I think if you really analyze and this sort of goes to like my thing about the Apple's, the Apple intelligence thing was my original take on it. And maybe I still have some of this, you know, I'm still holding out hope for some of this. My original take was that if it could actually bridge the gap in all of these little in-between areas

of usage of the device, it could be really great. I still, it still feels, I mean, again, I know it's beta. Maybe it's going to come out soon, and it'll be really wildly well developed. But it still feels like it's just putting Band-Aids over huge glaring issues in the operating system itself. And it's not even doing that very well. And so it's sort of like,

I think we've got fundamental problems with how these devices work in terms of like the way they fit into our current digital life. But no one seems to be doing anything about that. Like if I were Apple, and I understand they've got a lot of people who are used to using the operating system the way it works, but I would be aggressively developing brand new concepts for how operating systems should work, like on phones. Because that is where most of the people are doing

their stuff. That is where most of the people are. And that's where it's the most annoying to do stuff. Because you ever tried to do a normal thing on the phone, like a thing you would normally do with it on a computer. And you're just like, uh, all the time. Yeah, all the time. And maybe we're old, you know, maybe we're just old people. I don't know. I don't want to try to lump you in with me being old, but sometimes I go, well, maybe it, you know, this feels like so good to people who are, you know, we're raised on the phone. And I do think like, if you're Gen Z, your, your feelings about how the phone works are,

you're not thinking about it as much as probably I am. But then again, I think about this stuff more than, I mean, generally more than a lot of people do. But I think if we really look deeply at it, I mean, again, this sort of speaks to the AI not solving problems or not doing, you know, not doing the jobs of people that we need them to do or we needed to do or whatever. But I do think it's not, these are things that are not being solved for some reason by major operating system manufacturers. I don't know.

I feel like it's time for a change. It needs like a complete overhaul. Yeah. I think it's just time to do it differently. It doesn't feel right to me. Something feels wrong. The simulation is breaking down at a fundamental level. Somehow, the people who designed, the architect has gotten us far enough on phone operating

systems. You know what I'm saying? My camera's really good. I was like, nice camera. Coming from the 12, you know, you know what I'm saying? But the camera's really good. I was like, oh, nice camera. But like, I don't think it's- Coming from the 12. Yeah, you're like, it's like a spot. You know, how many, four generations?

I mean, like, yeah, it's gonna seem probably better. Yeah, but I bet if I moved from like a 15 to a 16, I would have no clue. I don't know. Other than just being like pissed off at this one button that doesn't do anything. I can't tell anymore. I mean, I like, I've been taking a lot of film photos and very

Gen Z of you. You know what? And, um, well I am Gen Z at heart. And I, I, I, when I look at the film photos, I really feel like that is what a memory looks like. And, and I think to some extent that's why Instagram succeeded early on was because it was trying, attempting to make digital photography look like non-digital photography. I mean, isn't that just like a, like a holdover of like what you remember from when you're young, like your formative years though? I'd like to say that, but if that's true, then why is Gen Z interested in film photography? I think the truth is- Because it seems cool and old and retro.

I think it's more than that. I think the truth is that the fidelity, this high fidelity of the digital, particularly with HDR, this high fidelity of the digital is too lifelike. It's too much like what is actually this moment is now in real time. And I think what we want when we look back at a photo, it's to kind of remember a moment in time. And I mean, one, it's like they're so readily available, you could take 1,000 photos of that moment in time

and none of them really matter. Whereas film photography, you get a chance to get a moment and either you get it or you don't. But I also think the dimensionality of it and something about the kind of physicality of it feels, it hits us differently. Like, and then maybe it's nostalgia, but I don't feel nostalgic about it. I think there's something like visually, there's something about the visual nature of the product,

of the output that is somehow more evocative. And again, yeah, well, no, I'm trying really hard to say, I mean, to think, like, am I just feeling like nostalgia? There are things that like, I think there are, I mean, there's a whole trend now of people like being like, oh, you can shoot, like I get these Instagram ads for these like video cameras that like shoot video that looks like videotapes, you know, like, like, you know, eight millimeter video from like the nineties, like skate videos. And I, you know, and I, and I see the appeal of that, but it looks like a filter, you know,

it looks like I'm like, yeah, you can, this is a filter you can apply to stuff. And I don't think the quality would be necessarily different. I do think there's something about that. The yeah, I don't know. I think think there's something about that. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's maybe more the amount though. Like I think that might be it. Like you had one photo before. So then then it's like, you know, blazing on the back of your like eyelids of like, this is the photo of when I was this age and we did that one thing.

Right. But now because there's so many photos, like I feel like you just can't remember them all. They kind of blur together this so they don't get that same level of emotional attachment. I mean, in a way, I wouldn't trade all the photos I have of Zelda, for instance. I love the fact that we have thousands and thousands and thousands of photos of her, but maybe there is something also to the idea that a physical photo where you don't have endless amounts of them, or let's just say a film photo, even if it's digital, forces your brain to recall a moment in a way that digital doesn't. Like I think so.

I think that's if I have a hundred photos from a night, you know, I have like much more that I can go on based on the photo itself that doesn't require my cognition, right? I'm just like, oh yeah, this here it is. That's that thing that happened. Whereas like if you have a couple of photos from a night, you have to rebuild the kind of the memory of that. Like you do have to use your mind to rebuild the kind of in between parts. Right. And not just rely on, I know I have 50 photos of it and I could look at

them someday, but then I might not because there's so many of them. Right. And I think that's even true for older digital photography. I mean, I certainly go back and look at things that I have photos of and I'm like, okay, yeah. Like I remember this night, but I don't have every bit of it captured. I do think there is, yeah, but I think it's a combination. I mean, I will say, I don't know how we got onto this topic,

but I really don't know how we got onto this topic actually, but it is a combination. We were on iPhones, then we got to the photos, and then I said the photos were good, and then you were like, but actually I missed. Yes, right. Yeah, the photos are good. They're good, they're very good.

Is it $1,200? Good? No, not for me. I take photos now, and everything's HDR. This stuff drives me insane, where it's like parts of the photo are unbelievably bright. And it's like, have you seen? I mean, I don't know if you've noticed.

Are you shooting with HDR on? I don't know. Well, you should look at HDR on an HDR display, like not that isn't your phone. I will not be doing that. Okay. Well, you should. I have a new surface. And so when I look at photos that I shot on my iPhone that were shot in HDR on my surface in like Google Photos, it's like they are, they have illuminance.

They have like, they literally are like brighter. The display is brighter in places than they are on another non-HDR surface. Like that's what HDR does, I guess. It's very disturbing to me. And high dynamic range. Extended dynamic range. Anyhow, so it's kind of like, yeah, we're pushing,

you know, we obviously have done, we've taken tremendous leaps in photography and now we can do incredible things and obviously digital photography has been the whole point of, yeah, the whole point of this new iPhone is supposed to be Apple intelligence. And you're telling me that it's so far not very good. It's just kind of garbling together, adding more information supposed to be summarizing things, but it's like just saying nonsense. It's just not so far.

I haven't seen. Yeah, I mean, and I don't know, like maybe it's where I live, but I Siri fails to do things so often, I mean, it's become a running joke with my daughter. Like she like does before Siri fails. She like voices her fail message. That's good. Sorry, I'm having trouble. It's like, yeah, she's having trouble all the time. Siri's having trouble all the time. Someone should check on Siri. Someone should see if Siri is okay. And like, I'm sorry,

but adding in like chat GPT responses to things, like I really don't, I really not, I'm not down. I'm just not into it. I don't think that's the future. That's not the future. I don't think it is. I really don't. I think yes, like our devices being like easier to interface with is the future. And part of that is speaking to them to some extent. Um, but this to me is not the future we were promised as they're always saying. This is not it and not yet.

No I just think yeah if this is the best we can do you know then I'm not sure we're doing that that well you know. But now what about Mark Zuckerberg? He's got a different idea for the future. Is he not at this moment? Is he not right now speaking about the future at his event? He is. Yeah. And I think John's listening into that. Yeah.

They've just released, uh, meta has just released its first pair of AR glasses. Oh, they're called Orion. They look like, they like all the glasses that all of the people in Oppenheimer wear to like thick rimmed like physics guys glasses They're there I guess they show stuff I This is too thick rimmed. I hate this. This is stupid. This is also stupid. I'm sorry. I think we've run out of ideas I'm afraid I hate to say it. I think we're running out of ideas We need to do something about that quickly. Are you talking about the podcast or other?

No, not the podcast. I'm saying they're like, what if it's, you know, the glasses have a navigation and then you have to wear these two because nobody wants to wear glasses. Nobody wants to wear glasses. I don't know how many times I have to say this. People who don't wear glasses do not want to wear glasses. I don't know how many times I have to say this. People who don't wear glasses do not want to wear glasses. I've talked to them. Are you saying this because you're

wearing glasses right now? I love glasses. I want to wear glasses. I would not wear these glasses that they are selling. But if they look just like my glasses and did some stuff inside of them, I would consider it. But I wear glasses. All right, Alex Heath, the first line of his article

says at The Verge says they look almost like a normal I wear glasses. All right. I wear glasses. The first line of his article says at the verge says they look almost like a normal pair of glasses. I think this is doing a lot of work there because in a few years, they will look like a normal pair of glasses. But again, I want to stress this. People who don't wear eyeglasses are not looking for reasons to put eyeglasses on. I can't stress this enough. Do you understand?

Does anybody understand what I'm saying? But then how are you supposed to layer AR in front of your face? How are you supposed to augment your reality? It's gonna be really, it's gonna be really hard to get a lot of people convinced that they should wear glasses. What are they gonna do for them that's so awesome

that their phone doesn't do? What is it? What is the feature? It's gonna make reservations for you and it's gonna take pictures. Things that your phone does. Taking pictures, you don't have to look at your phone. Yeah, sure. Well, I got news for you.

A lot of people would rather look at their phone than wear glasses. More people, more people, mark my words, mark Zuckerberg my words, more people would rather look at their phone than wear glasses, those who do not wear glasses. And people who do wear glasses typically have a very strong

opinion about what kind of glasses they wanna wear. And they certainly don't all wanna wear the same glasses as everybody else. And they certainly don't wanna wear ones that are really thick-rimmed if they're into wearing thin-rimmed glasses. But I digress. I do digress.

I'm glad that Metta is attempting to release things, that Snap is also attempting to release. I'm very enthusiastic about everybody making some kind of half-assed copy of a copy of the same sort of vague idea. Remember Google Glasses? Did you have Google Glasses? There's a famous picture of me that's

been used over and over again of when I reviewed the Google Glasses for. Looking it up. It's like one of the images that is like people use when they're like, they don't do it anymore. But they're like, look at these nerds. And it's like a picture of Josh, the Polsky from a review. You know, that's the world I'm living in. I'm sure you can find it. If you look at it. Yeah, it's fine. I thought they were very cool. I thought that if they had continued developing them, that there was something to it, you know,

but I wear glasses. Right. And they didn't keep developing it. They never made them better. And they were always sort of like bulky and silly and impossible. And these are bulky and silly and impossible too. And they'll sell more than they sold of Google glasses

or whatever, but they're not going to sell that many because nobody actually wants this. You know what we need to talk about? and silly and impossible too. And they'll sell more than they sold of Google glasses or whatever, but they're not going to sell that many because nobody actually wants this. You know what we need to talk about? I just realized, sorry, is there anything on this topic? I was just going to say, did you read the New York Times profile of Mark Zuckerberg saying no to politics by becoming more conservative?

I heard about it. I saw people mentioning it. I haven't yet about it. I saw people mentioning it. I, um, I didn't haven't yet read it. Yeah. It's mostly him being like, I was political and it got like, bit me in the ass and now I'm not political and kind of, you know, something he could just kind of turn off and turn on. But by him not being political, that means he's gotten like a bunch of Mark Zuckerberg has done public and to work with him. And he talks to Trump and like, so he's kind of being political just in means he's gotten like a bunch of public to work with him.

And he talks to Trump and like, so he's kind of being political just in a different way. Yeah. The joke I made was like, you know, they say, more conservative. Yeah. Mike Isaac and Teddy Schleifer. I love Mike Isaac and I'd love to hear what he really thinks about this. Um, when, when, when, you know, here's what I think is, and, and, and, you know, everybody's entitled to their, their beliefs about politics.

But when I hear people say things like, uh, you know, I'm not going to be political, I'm not political, or I don't want to make a, you know, I'm gonna make political statements or whatever, you know, like, you know, I think there are things that, that you feel strongly about, you know, that you believe are right for, for, you know, I think if there are things that you feel strongly about, you know, that you believe are right for society and for humanity, I think you should speak up about them. I think Mark Zuckerberg's role is unbelievably inherently political. And this idea, this absolutely absurd idea that the CEO of the company could simply distance himself from having some kind of

discourse around politics when he controls how a large part of information works in the world, that that is not a politically charged position to hold. I mean, in many ways, the biggest problem with these guys is that they essentially have assumed positions of political power. They have the power to alter like what people know and see and learn and believe, and they do it all the time. They use that power all the time. And the idea that that's a somehow an apolitical or non-political position to be in is absurd.

And every single decision that they make in regards to what they show or don't show or what they allow or don't allow has a, has a political, uh, it can have a political implication. Right. And also it's absurd to me just like hearing him say that just like, or hearing the idea that you could just like turn that off. And it's obviously because he thinks he's invisible, like as a, I guess, like as a white man or something, like he can say I'm being political or not being political,

like as if that's something you could turn off and on and you don't just exist in a, in a way that like, I mean, yeah, to me I'm not, and I'm not comparing anybody to the Nazis, but, but it is the kind of, it is, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm just saying that like, it's the kind of thing where you're like, you know, if like Mark Zuckerberg ran a newspaper in Nazi Germany was like I'm not gonna get involved in the politics here And you're like you need to get in many ways in many cases. That is the equivalent stance It is like there are things that are gonna be right and wrong in history

I've on the long on the long on the long enough view and if you want to be on the sidelines It's as it's as good as being on the wrong side, in my opinion. You know, there are places where that's just going to be true and it had historically been true. And no matter how much revisionist history we'd all like to do, all these people would like to do, the reality is that it's undeniable that there are rights and there are right sides and wrong sides in these some of these historical moments. And I also find it rich because he's trying so hard, like his stylist or whatever,

whoever is branding him is trying so hard to make him interesting visually. They're giving him a chain, they're making him dress better, they're doing all these things that are supposed to make him look more interesting, and now he's trying to be less interesting as a person. He's like, okay, I'm going to hide all of my, any important beliefs that I have. I'm not going to talk about any of those things. That's like, he's doing two cognitive dissonant things. I think it's certainly within his rights to, of course,

to not be political. I would just say this is actually not a new stance for Zuckerberg. And he's tried and failed. He's tried and failed to do be political. I would just say this is actually not a new stance for Zuckerberg and he's tried and failed. He's tried and failed to do this before. And if you'll recall famously, there's a great interview with Kara Swisher that he did where he talks about how he's not, they don't think they need to correct Holocaust deniers

on Facebook. And I know this is, I mean, I think people like, people's memories are like fried. Like there's something wrong with people's brains. Now they don't remember these things. Mark Zuckerberg was like, I'm not going to, we're not going to get involved. You know, people, the community will correct them. The community is this and that.

And it's like, you know, he was like, yeah, that's fine. But this is the stance of the, of the nonpolitical, the stance of the non-political is, some people believe the Holocaust happened, some people don't. That's not my business to say whether it did or not. And it's like, it actually, I'm sorry, for every intelligent person who exists who has any control over information in the world, it is partially your job

to make sure that we understand what is true historically and what is true currently. That's important to establish that there is, that there isn't, it is not, every issue is not just whatever your political leaning is. You can politically lean one way or the other and still be able to acknowledge that yes, this thing happened or no, it didn't happen. There's a clue, but it is political to say I'm not gonna be in that conversation That's a political choice and it's a very negative political choice

So, you know and he's also still being in the conversation because he's still calling up Trump He's still has like, you know, he's he just says he's just trying to frame it. It's so weird that him not being political I don't know it the The political environment, I think I didn't have much sophistication around it. And I think I just fundamentally misdiagnosed the problem of what he said in a recent interview. I think this article is also very poorly headlined. I think it's like Mark Zuckerberg's

going to not participate in political discourse is like, sure. Again, I'd go back to Elon Musk and say, I wish he wouldn't participate in political discourse. I don't think we need Mark Zuckerberg to have strong political opinions. No, no, not at all. I don't think him and Elon Musk need to participate in the political discourse. And pretend that they don't have control over this thing.

Right. I think the idea that they're going to be non-political beings and that somehow by extension, they can infuse their products with this same sort of like, you know, non-partisan stance is like just a total, it's just a total fantasy. It's a complete fantasy. Speaking of complete fantasies, and I don't, I know we're, we don't have a, I don't want to make sure we get time for this.

Cause I think always, we're always like, well, do we have anything to talk about this week? And then we find that we have a ton of things to talk about, so many things. I think we have talked about the MKBHD debacle, which I don't know if you've been following this at all. Are you, do you know what I'm talking about? Oh, I do, but I, I've not followed this.

I know this is a very hot story in tech right now that I'd like to discuss. All right. Well, Marques Marques Brownlee, very, very well known YouTuber known recently, particularly for just leveling these apps. And by the way, completely, completely, completely deserved, like harsh critiques of new products. Like the rabbit thing, right? The rabbit R1, which I reviewed actually for our website, which is a horrible, horrible product,

completely stupid product. And an excellent, excellent website. Excellent website, surewood.news, horrible product, the stupid product. And an excellent website. Excellent website. Sherwood.News. Horrible product. The Rabbit R1. There's the humane button or tablet. No, it's not tablet.

A badge. The humane badge. It's like a project on your hand. The pin. Humane pin. Thank you. I'm like, what is this called? And then, anyhow, whatever.

He's just been eviscerating these, he'd like some one of the cars, he reviewed some Fisker or something, and was like, this is the worst car I've ever reviewed. Anyhow, he put out an app. I saw this unfold on Twitter and on other social networks threads. He put out this app, it's called Panels, it's like a wallpaper app,

and it's apparently very bad. And it charges like $50 a year and has all these weird data, it wants to track you and sort of... Anyhow, he's been eviscerated on social media for it. And notably, a lot of people in Silicon Valley who have become like kind of anti MKBHD people because they're like, well, I'm going to get to it. But anyhow, a lot of people in Silicon Valley are like, ha ha ha, not so easy, is it? You know, like, it's sort of like people are like your wallpaper app sucks just like my billion dollar valuation AI pin sucks or whatever. You know, it's like, well, I'm not sure.

Those are the same thing exactly. Okay. So what does the app do? The app is a wallpaper app. It's just wallpapers. It gives you wallpapers for your phone. I mean, it's so stupid. I'm sorry.

And I think he's great. And I respect his hustle and everything that he does. He's not trying to do the same level as like, you know, It's not like an AI pin. It's not like, you pin. He didn't raise money for it or whatever. But still, hold on. The app is silly. I don't know, maybe there's people who are like, I've got to get new wallpapers constantly. I put a wallpaper on my phone. I might have changed it for several years, to be honest with you. I'm not really working that hard. It's hard to find a good wallpaper. Once you do, I think you've got to stick with that person.

Jones-It's an old wallpaper, but it's just like a photo that I like sure exactly. That's how you play the game That's exactly you don't have to pay a penny for it If you can find the photo or even take it better yet, which is what I did with my reading like ringtones. It's fun Yeah, but anyhow, so he's been getting eviscerated and he had to do like I'm listening and learning and I understand You know, I've some people are upset and we're going to make the app better or whatever. But I think what's notable is I've seen a lot of people on social media talking about and I think this is a really strange new argument that I'm seeing.

I've seen it happen around other product launches, particularly when things have been badly reviewed, where people go like, yeah, you know, like it's so hard to bring something to market. It takes so much hustle and work and you shouldn't really critique. You know, if you can't do it yourself, you shouldn't critique it. Yeah, I've heard that though. I had a friend who was once like,

he was like, yeah, I'm gonna stop like shit talking movies I don't like, you know, because like I realized like it's really hard work to make a movie. And you know, even if I don't like it, I think it's like, it's still like, it's like, I'm going to stop like shit talking movies I don't like, you know, because like I realized like it's really hard work to make a movie. And you know, even if I don't like it, I think it's like, it's still like, it's like, yeah, okay, cool. Like I guess if you don't want to participate in, I'm not going to be political. If you don't want to have participate in like critical thought about art, that's fine.

But like to me is one of the things that makes life worth living is being able to like critically think about things and go like, is this good or bad? Regardless of whether I could have made it, regardless of whether I had, I could whether I ever aspire to make such a thing or to be involved in such a thing, it is an important function of humanity to be able to have a critical conversation about whatever, whether it's art or the products that we use

or our political systems. It is the basis of so much of art. I could tell an architect his building is bad if it falls down on me. I have to interface with that. I couldn't have designed a building. So I mean, even though it was a clap. Who am I to judge?

Yeah, who am I? Who am I? That's an absurd take, OK. It's an absurd take, but I've seen a lot of it. And I think a lot of it is emanating from the Silicon Valley corners of this weird people. It's like this weird, don't knock it if you can't do it or whatever. And it's like, no, not it.

It's very thin skinned. Is no, it's like, well, Silicon Valley is allergic to critique. I mean, they have over the years, it has built up a huge allergy to critique. And I think that stems a lot from its previous, like 25 years of getting a pass on a lot of stuff. Like I think that stems a lot from its previous 25 years of getting a pass on a lot of stuff. I think Silicon Valley was, for a long time, nobody was saying anything very critical about what was going on in the startup world or with these tech businesses. There was stuff all the time, like the Yo app comes to mind, or Color. Do you remember Color, where it was a group photo thing, where everybody takes photos

in the same place? I remember the Yo app and the one friend who kept throwing it on it. Yeah. There are all these launches of like just like huge overhyped things that ended up being like completely stupid ideas that nobody cared about and failed miserably. And the people probably accident for, you know, $50 million. But anyhow, but it is interesting how like allergic they are to critique. And I think you see this like this like weird like armadilloing they've all done, you know,

they're putting up their little armor and worried about like, you know, I think, but I think like, I mean, I think it's so dangerous to not be able to embrace and hear the critique and to not really, and by the way, I think Marquez, I mean, from what I've seen, it sounds like he's, he's like, yeah, like this could have been better and I'm going to fix it. Um, which is the right, typically the right response. It is bewildering that he put his eggs into the wallpaper app

basket, but that's a topic for another day. But you're talking about one of the most popular YouTubers. He's one of the most famous and popular YouTubers. Certainly amongst tech YouTubers is the top of the game. There's's nobody who's more watched than him as far as I know. And, uh, uh, that is perplexing. But no, I think this, this, this notion that the like critique is bad is a very dangerous one. And maybe in some way it's actually relates to the Mark Zuckerberg conversation we're having. It protects the people who are getting critiqued, right? That's all it does.

Of course. Yeah. And in some way it is kind of the same idea. It's like, well, you know what, don't say anything if you know, you don't have anything nice to say or if you can't, if you're not, you know, it's like, just stay out of it. Or, you know, it's like I think this whole idea of, of, um, sitting on the sidelines or whatever is, is very dangerous. But I think like when it comes to critique, I think it's very important that we critique, uh,

that we harshly critique things that are not what we expect them to be or what we think they should be. That actually matters. There is value to it. There's a practice to it too that I think people seem to ignore as if it's just like, I get it though, the internet's like- Yeah, it's not just meanly, I think there's a difference between just being like, this sucks and then really articulating these are the reasons why this could have been better, or this is what's wrong, or this

is the context in which it exists. Kline-Murphy I think that's also, the internet has made it really hard for real critique to be heard, because there's maybe people who pile onto it. In defense of those people, I can understand how when you get a million schmucks telling you that what you did sucks, it's probably not that useful or helpful. I just thought that was worth noting because I saw a trend of these...

Well, people are really happy. Silicon Valley people are really happy because they're like, he hit us and now we get to hit back at his stupid wallpaper app. But they're also like, this is why you should never critique things. And it's like, I'm not sure that's the right takeaway. We want to do a bracket with Elon Musk tweets, you know, where we kind of pick two tweets each week, cause he tweets a lot and decide which one's like the worst.

Right. We should say we just had, so the last week, we had this idea that we were going to do an Elon Musk bracket that we would, his tweets, right? Just as you said, there's so many of them we could do like a breath, but then we just had a conversation and we're like, how do we build the bracket? And I think the way we're going to do it continuing from last week's conversation, if I, if I understand it for the, for the listener who may not understand what we're doing,

we're going to have a kind of head to head battle of two tweets every week. Two tweets every week. And then right there, we kind of decide which one is like of those two. Right. And then those will go into a larger pool for a battle royale between the worst tweets.

But at some point, what end of the year, maybe? Yeah. Maybe the end of the year. Yeah. We put them all together, all the winners together, all the winners of the worst winners. And then who is the worst of the worst? Which is the worst of the worst?

We can tell, you can tell we're bracket experts, by the way. Yeah, we're really good at sports. So what, yeah, go ahead. Okay, yeah, so we have unfinished business because we didn't actually do the winners last week. So there were two really big tweets. One was where he offered to impregnate Taylor Swift. I mean, you know, he made himself available to impregnate her. You know, was it an offer? Hard to say. I'm not defending the tweet, by the way.

Will is doing a lot of work there, but yeah. He said said do you have the exact tweet in front of you by any chance? Yeah, hold on. I'm We do have other stuff type. Oh, this is obviously but I just I think we both felt that we wanted to make sure Make get this out of the way not very important. I have any hang said fine Taylor you win I will give you a child and guard your cats with my life. Yeah okay, that was you know, that was that tweet. Right. And then another bad tweet from the same week was the, um, where he wondered aloud why no one was, uh, trying to assassinate Kamala Harris. Yes. Um, I think this one's easy in my opinion. Okay. Which one is worse to you? Well, for my money,

in my opinion. Okay, which one is worse to you? Well, from my money, even though the assassination tweet is like, it's really stupid and weird, it's like, as far as his tweets go, it's like, you know, it's fairly tame in a way. Like, it's not really, I mean, it's, and it's less gross for sure. I think the Taylor tweet is just,

like I think in terms of content, like in terms of what it conjures up mentally and in terms of like the way it was written with such thought and care, that one strikes me as the worst or the winning bad tweet for the week. I definitely agree with you here, especially because he has like a long history of like trying to get her attention of, you know, sleeping with musicians of like,

just impregnating people. Like it's just, he's so gross all around that this is absolutely the grossest. Well, if he doesn't, if he doesn't repopulate the planet, who will? Right. You know, who is going to be, who's going to make sure we have, like, I like it. We literally have like, we don't have enough food for people on the planet. Elon Musk is like, and the billionaire is single handedly trying to repopulate. It's beautiful. It's so beautiful.

Was there another way? Was there another set of tweets from this week? So there's another set of tweets from this week. It's a little like maybe of a like not as interesting because you had like him trying to talk about assassinating the presidential candidates and Taylor Swift. Right, it's pretty hot stuff. But like I think that they should be sort of comparable. I have two tweets from this week where he kind of floats different features for his different businesses. And they're

both kind of similar in a way. But here, the first one is about, do you know what? I think it's automatic self-summon ass. Is that what they call it? This is the Tesla feature where you can get the car to come to you? Yes. I think it's automatic self-summon. Whatever it is, it's supposed to stand for ass. Of course.

And this is one of those things where he's been saying it's supposed to stand for ass. Of course. And this is one of those things where he's been saying it's going to happen forever and ever and ever. And he's like, oh, yeah, real self-summon that's going to work is coming out. Apparently, it works now. And he says, your Tesla can now drive itself through complex parking lots to find you, which like,

and it shows a video of a car doing just that, a car with a Tesla with no driver going through a parking lot. People are walking in front of it, that sort of thing. And you know, no one's dying. The fine print obviously, like, like if you look up self summon, it's like, has to be on private property. You have to be watching it the whole time. You have to be able to like, have a like straight line of sight to the car and be able to make it stop in case it does something wrong. There's so many warning labels on it that you have to wonder whether it's legal at all to do it,

whether it's safe at all to do it. But he's always doing this sort of thing with full self-driving. He promotes it in a way that sounds like, oh, yeah, this is totally all the way there. And then, you know, people die or something. So like, you know, and this is lower stakes obviously than full self-driving cause it's just something and summoning in a parking lot, but a lot of accidents happen in the park parking lot. And anyway, this was just an example of him kind of talking up a feature on Twitter in like

the most, you know, non-professional way possible. I mean, this isn't totally unprofessional. It's just that it seems like his lawyers might come in and be like, actually, I got to tell you, I'm listening to this description of the tweet and I do sort of vaguely know what you're talking about. I think I saw somebody else talking about it. I knew it was going to be bad compared to Taylor Swift. And I mean, that one's like the least offensive tweet he's done in a while. I think I saw somebody else talking about it. I knew it was going to be bad compared to Taylor Swift, didn't I?

That one's like the least offensive tweet he's done in a while. I'm actually scrolling through his Twitter while you're describing this, because I'm trying to catch up. First off, by the way, he tweets a lot. He tweets a lot. He's really, really tweeting a lot. Yeah, he's done a lot of Trump racism apology tweets lately.

Yeah, he has one's hand actually. Yeah. I know. I didn't want to go into that. I just didn't want to talk. You didn't want to get into his Trump isn't racist. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I don't want to get political, you know, unnecessarily, but the guy literally like was, he literally was like discriminating against black people, like early in his career as a real estate guy or whatever, like specifically to the point where he was like sued by New York twice. Right. I mean, it's not like a big secret.

It's not like a big mystery. Yeah, I think that he comes up. Historically, like Trump, I mean, just, there's like plenty of evidence that he like legitimately ran his business in a way that was purposefully racist. You clearly have not been buying into Elon Musk's Twitter, you know, exculpation of like, I mean, dude is like, I mean, the thing is like, I'm not, I'm not racist. I have a lot of black friends.

It's like literally what he says all the time. And it's like, it's like, you know, former like sports players who like he, he has, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know why they're friends with him, but it doesn't seem like organic. Anyhow. Okay. So that was tweet number one is him introducing ass or whatever.

I'm honestly surprised. I thought you were going to be like, you know, you can have my car drive directly to your ass or something like that. But here it is. Here it is. I'm looking at actually smart summon. Actually smart summon. Is that what it's actually called though? Why not call it like active smart summon? You could still do the ass thing. Yeah. But actually smart summon doesn't. Yeah. I mean, I think it now, here's what he says. Your Tesla can now drive itself through complex parking lots to find you. That's the tweet.

Yeah. No. Okay. Well, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's just dangerous and stupid at the very least, but anyhow. Okay. So what's the, now what's the second tweet is him responding to someone who noticed that, uh, the current block button is no longer like blocking people. Like Twitter used to be able to block people so they couldn't see your tweets because you know, then they, I don't know, harass you around it so they couldn't see your tweets because you know Then they I don't know harass you around it now They could see your tweets, but they can't reply to you And this is something that kind of just happened someone noticed it and then Elon pops up into the replies It's like high time this happened. Yeah block function will block the block that account from engaging with but not block seeing public post

He's the the owner of this company. You think you'd be making announcement.. This is what we're doing. It's just him like responding to a guy on Twitter and this is just kind of how he does things. Do you think on that point, and I don't know, I haven't checked this out, but does, can you retweet, can you re blog somebody who has blocked you? I don't think so. I don't think you can just read it. Can you re-tweet, can you re-blog somebody who has blocked you? I don't think so. I don't think you can just read it. You can just read it.

Right. Okay. And then screenshot it. Are you blocked by a lot of people? I have no idea. I wouldn't, how would I know? I mean, do you know when you're blocked by somebody? Only when you try to, you know, try to look at their page.

I block a lot of people. Yeah, me too. I mean, I do a lot of blocking like all the time. In fact, as I'm scrolling Elon's list, I'm actually seeing. He's just hiding through the block. I'm actually seeing, no, I'm seeing like, there's several tweets that he's retweeted.

I'm like, it's like, you don't see this person's tweets because like you've blocked the account or whatever. And I'm like, oh, okay. And it's like Ian Miles Chong or whatever, who is like, you know, this like the worst, like one of the worst people on Twitter. Um, I think that's his name. Yeah.

Sorry. So I don't know between those two tweets, they, they're both very tame if you ask me, but I think it's not about the tweet itself. It's about the larger context around the block one is worse if you had to pick one, but I don't even think, are we truly, are those truly his worst tweets? I mean, I really didn't go through all of those tweets. It was all the racism ones and I really just didn't want to deal with a lot of racism this week. Do we count the ones where he's just like, you know, agreed or whatever and it's like on a guy who's like Hitler made some pretty good points. It's like, it is stuff like that

all the time. It is stuff like that all the time. It's honestly like, it's bonkers. Anyhow, we don't want to spend too much time on this, but I think, needless to say, we can agree that they're both not great tweets. But I don't know, how do you feel? Do you have one that you think is worse than the other? Yeah, I just think they're not great ways to like lead a business. And like, I'm guessing I'd say the parking lot one's worse because that feels like it could actually be dangerous. And I'm guessing I'd say the parking lot one's worse, because that feels like it could actually be dangerous. And obviously, people are going to use it to summon their car

from far away, all the way across where they can't see it. No one's going to be in the line of sight and doing all the rules that the lawyers have suggested they do. So I think people can get hurt. Now we have a disagreement, is what you're saying. Yeah. So what do we Yeah. Now we have a disagreement, is what you're saying. Yeah. So what do we do when there's a disagreement?

We didn't think about this. Yeah, I don't know. How do we need a tiebreaker? Perhaps our producer, our mysterious producer, could be the tiebreaker here. That's a good idea. I have a personal reason why I think that the blocking is worse. Okay. The changing the blocking features functionality is worse because sometimes I'm blocking someone not because I don't want to see their stuff but because I don't want them to see my stuff.

Isn't that the point? Is it you don't want them to see your stuff? Right, but isn't that what they're, isn't that what he's saying? Like, also they'll be able to see your stuff. I don't want them to see my stuff. That's why I'm blocking them. You want to avoid all contact with that person,

basically, is the way I see it. Like, I don't see you, you don't see me, let's go about our business separately, right? He's saying, this is a public square, everything you should be able to see it, blah, blah, blah, but, you know, this is a public square. Everything, you should be able to see it, blah, blah, blah. But as long as you don't actually harass by retweeting or replying.

But yeah, that does sort of like, the whole point of it was that you didn't want that person to see your tweets. So Ronnie, you lose. We're saying that the blocking wins. Blocking wins, fine. And now blocking. Now in a hypothetical future scenario, blocking may go up against the Taylor Swift tweet.

And it will roundly lose. It will definitely lose, no question. But there's so much more to come, I believe, certainly leading up to the presidential election here in America. All right. All right, anyhow, we should wrap up. Do you want to do a feature bug? I do.

I do want to do a feature and a bug. I have a few ideas for it. Okay, let's see. What do you got? Okay, so, feature our... Do you want to explain what feature bug is? Oh, should I explain it? Feature bug every week we're attempting to do this thing where we discuss something that

we have already talked about or maybe sometimes a kind of left field topic and just figure out if it's like, if that's a good thing, aka a feature, like good, good, want that in there or a bug, something that should be eradicated, should be dealt with in a, you know, should be, should be debugged. All right. So let's start with one we talked about. Action button, the new button on the top left of your iPhone. You're supposed to be able to program it and pick a thing you want to do. Turn on your flashlight, turn on the voice memo, shut off the volume.

Kline I mean, presumably meant to be a feature. Jessi Right, but it is a bug. Kline It could be described as a feature. I'm sure for some people, it's like, finally. I think of it as a bug. I think it actually speaks to the larger problem with iOS and with mobile OSes in general, which is there are a lot of things you can do with it. They're hard to navigate to.

They're not really well thought out or mapped out within the OS itself. And so, there are many people adding in these arcane ways to address them, arcane weird new things to try to help you use the phone. Yeah, it's needlessly complicated. Absolutely a bug. Yeah. I mean, that feels like there's a better menu that does what that does Okay Meta AI is using celebrity voices. I don't know what it is with these like AI companies

They're like no one's gonna use our product unless if it's like a voice you you recognize They're trying to get like or they're getting like aquafina and John Saina voice metas AI to get like, or they're getting like Aquafina and John Cena to voice Meta's AI. Didn't they do this? They did this. Alexa does this. But they're paying them this time. They're not just stealing Scarlett Johansson's voice. I mean, this is obviously a bug.

I mean, this is, this is obviously a sideshow to get desperate play, to get people to use. This is like when you could get like for Waze is like, you can get like Kevin Hart to do your GPS or whatever. And it's like, okay, like, cool. Like, I don't know anybody who uses that feature. This is silly. This is stupid. It's not just a bug. It's stupid. No one cares and no one wants it and it will fail. That's my official official official critique. Okay, I think you disagree. I disagree. I think it's kind of nice that they're redistributing some of the wealth, all the money that's going towards...

Oh, to John Cena? You think he's... Not just John Cena, but to like... Thank God! To like, Aquafina, the arts. Oh, poor Aquafina! Poor Aquafina! Poor Meta! They're getting all this money for AI. They're spending loads and loads of money. Might as well spread it out a little bit. I think it's a feature.

Kline Okay, you're wrong, but you're entitled to your opinion. Southwick Untitled to be wrong. Kline What else? Southwick Wrote a little story about this this week, maybe ex-Nate Twitter employees, they shut down the headquarters in San Francisco and now they're kind of worried that they might have to move to Austin. Elon Musk said the new headquarters was going to be in Austin, but it's not actually in Austin. It's in a county, like it's outside a town called Bastrop, which is like 40 miles away

from Austin, which is like just not Austin. When you say Austin, people expect a certain thing, and it's not that. Yeah. So you said it's, what did you say? It's, you're going back to the trench coat. Oh yeah, so this is his company town called Snailbrook. Snailbrook. Did he name that?

Yeah, it's like the mascot for the Boring Company, which is based there, and then like SpaceX is there. Anyway, he's built a company town. He's trying to get up and Heimer it. Is he trying to Oppenheimer it? Is that what we're doing here? Like he's building the town because they built like the town Oppenheimer's town. I mean, there's a lot of company towns, nuclear city USA.

I don't know what it was called. What was Oppenheimer? I mean, it's in the movie. I don't know. I'm not an expert, but they built a little town where everybody lives so they can make it an atomic bomb yeah, so I don't know what what's exactly the thing I'm saying is here like but uh, I guess company towns feature a bug. Yeah musk's company town

Well, here's his town which you said is like a bodega and five trailers or something at 15 trailers and trench coat It's obviously a bug for anybody who has to go there I mean imagine like you're like they close you live in San Francisco where the In a trench coat. In a trench coat. It's obviously a bug for anybody who has to go there. I mean, imagine like you're like, they close, you live in San Francisco where the Twitter office was and you work in San Francisco, whereas people want to be who are in the tech world.

And then they shut down the office there and they're like, we're moving to Austin. You're like, well, Austin's pretty cool. Okay, Austin's pretty cool, yeah. Austin's pretty cool. A lot of tech stuff in Austin, like, you know, shorts in Texas, but it's like one of the more like liberal kind of cosmopolitan areas of Texas. And, um, and then they're like, Oh, actually it's 40 miles outside of Austin and there's nothing here except a bodega.

Yeah, that's a bug. That's a bug. It feels like either he doesn't care or is trying to get, he's trying to get people to quit. Well, obviously like the plan is to build, you know, a whole big, nice shiny town. But what it looks like so far like is like a, you know, a garage man cave. Yeah. You definitely want to, you definitely want to be like, you definitely want to be living inside of one of Elon Musk's big plans, like his self-driving, like self-driving. You want to be inside of the, you want to be inside of like the town version of self-driving where it's like,

there's a town coming soon, like this year we're going to have a town. Or the town version of ass. Yeah, the town version of ass, right? You're like, it's going to be able to be a town any day now. You know, we just need to clear some of these legal hurdles and we have to get it working and we got to get the parts shipped, which we don't have. But soon we're going to open up a McDonald's here, guys. It's going to be great or whatever.

Like, you know, maybe it'll be awesome. My guess is the ability to build a town won't be that high. But you know. Kaitlin Luna 1 Plus is that the rents in the trailers are cheaper than like the area. So that's kind of like the company town thing. Like, hey, gonna be cheap if you live in the I would hope it would be cheap I would hope it'd be cheap if it's 40 miles outside of Austin and nobody lives there It's outside a town of like 10,000 people so yeah small town. Okay. No, I think it's a bug dude Yeah, that's a bug. It's a bug except for Elon Musk probably feature for him. He's but he's a bug, dude. Yeah, it's a bug. It's a bug. Except for Elon Musk, probably a feature for him. But he is a bug.

No, I think he's great. I like him a lot. He's my favorite. He's the best. All right, we gotta wrap up. We've gone on way too long here, and we've been too rude to Mr. Musk, who I, of course, love and respect on many levels.

So that is our show for this week. Yeah, thanks for joining us. We'll be back next week. Are you here next week? I'm not here for the next two weeks. Oh my God. I'm gonna find some other people to talk to. Wow, already having to find a new co-host for this.

Feels sudden. No, no, no, I'll be back, I'll be back. I'm just going on vacation, much needed. I'm gonna see if I can get, I'm going to see who I can get. I'm going to get an AI that just does your voice, just does you. You should just do John Cena. Get the AI John Cena to co-host the podcast. It's not a bad idea, honestly. It's not the worst idea I've ever heard. All right.

We'll be back next week, but Ronnie will not be back next week. I'll be back in two weeks. I'm going to be back next week, but Ronnie will not be back next week. I will be back in two weeks. I'll be it'll be me and John Cena's AI. And until then, you know, I wish you and your family the very best. Thanks for watching!