Too Scary; Didn't Watch - 200TH EPISODE: Midsommar Revisited!

Episode Date: July 12, 2023

For our 200th episode, we are going back to the film that started it all - Midsommar! Now that we ALL THREE have seen it, we felt it was time to return to our very first episode and reflect on the past four years of doing this podcast. Love you all very much and thank you for joining us on this ride! It's time to pots and pans for podcasters!!!! Recap begins at 22:00 Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Podcast. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi everyone, welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy and I love watching scary movies. And so I watch them so that you don't have to. And I've been watching them. We've been talking about them for 200 episodes.

I can't believe it. 200. That is wild. 200 episodes, you guys. I'm so proud of us. I know. It's really, really crazy. And it's also kind of, we've done more than 200 because we've done bonus episodes as well. So the exact number can never be known.

It can never be known but it can never be known but there's 200 200 on the main feed and that's the only thing we track so that's what we're celebrating that's what matters also it's almost four years to the day since the first time

we recorded can you believe that can you guys believe me I'm sorry I keep saying the same thing over and over again but we've been doing this fucking weekly Can you believe that? Can you guys believe me? I'm sorry. I keep saying the same thing over and over again. We've been doing this fucking weekly for almost four years. Yeah. Does it feel like it's been shorter or longer? Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Does it feel like it's been shorter or longer than four years to you guys?

Because kind of both, right? Because time is crazy. Time is crazy. I think it's both because time is crazy. So much has happened in that time. We lived through a pandemic. Yeah. And that's it. I was trying to think of

anything else. I had a baby. I'm going to have another baby. I moved to New York. I definitely feel four years older. Yeah. I've grown since the first time. Since our first episode. I've grown since I've grown since the first time since our first episode. I've actually I've probably had my my not biggest growth spurt.

That's not what I mean. My biggest mental mental growth spurt. Yeah. That's interesting. My biggest mental growth spurt. Maybe I've had my biggest mental growth spurt. Oh, my God. Wow.

Not a coincidence. Horror movies help you grow. Horror movies help you grow. Horror movies help you grow psychologically, emotionally. And like a weekly date with your friends. Is really good for the health. I recommend. Like we have, I have more, like you guys and Joel are like the only people I have such frequency with such like regular.

Yeah. Like just a given part of my daily life. It's so nice. And also we should mention we're in person right now. Ooh, baby. We should mention we're in person. Let's set the scene.

We're at Emily's house. There are cats. Yeah. Sauntering around. Last time we recorded at, well Let's set the scene. We're at Emily's house. There are cats sauntering around. Last time we recorded the first episode, there was just one cat. Now there's many. They've quadrupled for every

year. The amount of cats has quadrupled. We gotta stop the podcast. Yes, we are in my home. In sunny Los Angeles. The sun is streaming through the windows. It's a beautiful July afternoon.

It sure is. I am hungover. Emily's lying on the ground. Lying on the ground. And you know, I love that I am in a space where I get to do that. Hell yeah, me too. We're sipping on some pineapple seltzer. Life couldn't be better. Life couldn't be better.

Life couldn't be better. This is the dream. This is it. This is the life we've created for ourselves. And what a treat. What a treat. It really is. It really is a treat.

It's fucking very cool. And I'm very excited about what we have planned for this special episode. Yep. This was Sammy's Idea, and it was a really good one, which is not surprising. We are revisiting our very first episode, our very first movie, Midsommar. Well, yeah, why not take it back to the beginning,

back to our humble roots? Exactly. Take it back to the beginning, back to our humble roots? Exactly. Take it back to that day sitting around with just no professional microphone. Absolutely not. We were having Bloody Marys. Do you remember? Oh, yum. I was drinking a Bloody Mary. Jenna was there. Jenna was present.

Silent Jenna. Silent. And we had no idea what the hell we were doing. But I was listening back just now in the Uber over here. And I was surprised and feel like it was very similar, like a similar structure to what we we've stuck with a similar thing. You know, you open by saying, I'm Emily and I'm too scared to watch scary movies. You start by saying that. Came right out the gate with a winner. You just knew.

That's just the truth, baby. Always win with the truth. Your instincts were right. They were spot on. And yeah, that's the structure of it. And Sam, you did such a good job recapping it with your first recap. Thank you. It was hard to listen to.

From an audio perspective? It wasn't so bad. I think I in my head thought it was going to be worse just because we really were making things up as we went. But with a lot of care, we really thought about it and

we wanted it to work. We wanted it to work and maybe it's working. It is working. We wanted it to work and baby, it's working. It is working! We did it. And we were having fun. That's all that matters. That's all that matters, you guys.

That's true. That's true, but the biggest difference between that episode and this episode is that now Emily and Henley have watched midsommar we have all three seen it now even though at the end of that episode both of you said you would never watch it he said we never would also in that episode you said that you are like 50 on board

which is just really what. That was surprising. Yeah, I mean, it didn't used to be a big horror head until we made EB-1. Yeah, I mean, four years of watching a horror movie a week will do that to you. So we'll hear, four years of hearing about it every week. I was ready. I was ready to watch this

film. You were excited. I feel like you were looking forward to watching it. I was really looking forward to it. And, spoiler alert, I loved it. I it i loved it i loved it too i've seen it twice this was my fourth viewing wow my first feeling was the director's cut and i did not re-watch the director's cut oh i oh i didn't even know that was an option yeah it's a half hour longer yeah oh i'd like to know what's extra in there. Um, we can talk about it when we get to the recap, maybe. Yeah, I think there's one big scene that was cut out. And yeah, we can talk about it. But before we get into the movie,

usually we ask if anything scary happened to us this week. But I thought in the spirit of reflecting on our journey. I love to reflect. Who doesn't? I thought we should ask ourselves what has been the scariest part of doing this podcast? We should ask that. We should ask that. It's such a good question.

It's such a good question. And you know we've never talked about it actually even as a group so this is fun to talk about it for the first time. Just a lot. I think there are a lot of things for me. In the beginning, it was pretty terrifying to hear myself at all recorded. I didn't enjoy that experience. And also to learn about myself.

I feel like because I'm a really active listener in my day to day life, I think of myself as also being someone who speaks a lot. And doing this podcast has made me realize like, oh, no, I don't need I don't really talk that much. And talking is harder and scarier than than i thought exactly way harder way scarier makes makes me appreciate all the podcasts i do listen to so much more for just like how challenging it can be and um podcasters are the true heroes podcasters i'm always saying that it's not nurses it's not it's not is nurses not nurses and not teachers get the fuck out of here it's podcasters

like what they said in bodies bodies bodies you have to make a google cal yeah we've got a google sheet we've got all sorts of stuff it's a lot of work you guys so just the own like the the facing yourself is scary so that in and of itself was

number one for me but that number two scary thing is having sometimes we have guests on who i'm intimidated by and that can be nerve-wracking beforehand just feeling like nervous to talk to yeah someone new it is kind of wild to just all of a sudden jump in with like a complete stranger stranger and some of those strangers have now become friends someone new. It is kind of wild to just all of a sudden jump in with like a complete stranger. And some of those strangers have now become friends. It's true. And that's what podcasting

is all about. It's about the friends we made along the way. Sounds like it's our final episode too. No, we're keeping going forever. We're going to do it until we die you guys um sammy and i talked about it earlier emily were you there um again not to reference another podcast but um ride veneno skinner marybeth brown they were just talking about how they realized they were like

think about a podcast you just do it till you die and um i think that's just the truth you guys it's the truth yeah what about so what about you guys um i oh i just made i just made birdie meow maybe you just heard birdie meow everybody that's birdie she meows every time you touch her um i think it's not talking i love to talk i do it a lot um i for me it it's like just putting something out there and not having any say over how it's received right like it's so it's such an unbelievable gift and like privilege to be able to do this and have people listen and like it even that though is like it's you know the second we put it out, it's out of our hands. And like our opinions and voices and thoughts are just like, which we do by choice. But every now and again, it's like, oh, my God, I like.

It was misunderstood or misinterpreted. Yeah, there's that. And and like. That's I just don't think I realized until we started doing it how vulnerable that can be. that can be um i think because you guys are my two best friends i often forget that a bunch of people who aren't right are listening to listening right eavesdroppers a bunch of eavesdroppers um and that can be a scary thing to think about sometimes yeah i try really hard not to think about that i actually really actively think about it basically. That's the answer I think.

I was going to say something similar which is yeah I feel like at first when we would get a negative review it would be like a real tough moment and I would think about it and reread it

and be like oh no I've got to change my behavior I must become a different person everything to please this one person and luckily yeah that's gotten much better I don't care anymore we don't care

no I do still care but I don't look at them I just have to not look at them I don't look at them either and they don't rock my sense of I just have to not look at them. Yeah, I don't look at them either. And they don't like rock my sense of self in the way that they once did. And then the other thing I was going to say, like a literal, just like one scary moment was the live show, Facing a Fear of Stage Fright.

Oh, that was very scary. Yeah. Absolutely. But we did it and we ripped the bandaid off and I feel like... Yeah, you guys were amazing. We're going to do Comic Con and I'm weirdly less scared

of that than... We just needed to see that we could do it the one time. And we felt very scary and we survived it and now we can do anything. Now podcasters are the true heroes. Exactly. Not nurses, not teachers. We've had enough. We've had enough of you.

Literally all we ever talk about is how great nurses and teachers are and it's like come on you guys we get it we get it dedicate your life to helping others you don't get paid enough oh you work too hard you had your time freaking selfish to me you had your time with the pots and pans. Yeah, we already did that. It's time to pots and pans for podcasters. That was a lot of peas. Pots and pans for podcasters. I'm going to make a shirt.

Pots and pans for podcasters. Let's sell that. Let's sell that t-shirt when we get cancelled it's time to pots and pans for podcasters is important though it's important to include that it's time to

pots and pans for podcasters it's time to no more pandemic but it's time to pots and pans. I'm just using pots and pans as a verb. Time to pots and pans. Time to pots and pans.

Oh, my God. I really do think I wonder if people would buy that if we put it on a T-shirt. Do you think I would buy it? Let us know in the comments. Would you buy that shirt? Would you buy that shirt? think i would buy it let us know in the comments would you buy that shirt would you buy that shirt and then one more question for us is what do we think that what was each of our personal scariest movies that we covered i was very very actually scared during um paranormal activity. Oh, yeah. Because I think

I could so easily picture it. Like, I've seen the trailers. I know the deal with it. It's such, obviously, such a huge deal and was when it came out. So, like, I really fucking felt like I was watching it and it was very scary. Yeah. I guess, I don't know. I want to say something different than this because

I've, you guys know what I'm going to say, but nonetheless, it is the truth, which is speak no evil. Yeah. Yeah. We have a friend who was honestly like pretty mad that we made you listen to that. So he's like, I think you should have not had Henley there. Other people have gotten mad about that, too. They've been like, you shouldn't have made her do it.

Everyone needs to know that I am there willingly that's good to know it's a good no one is forcing me to do anything i'm more than happy to listen to it i really i just can't stop thinking about it oh you should stop thinking i can't stop thinking about it and i i think it's because it's like and it's but the thing about it is that it's not even that it's scary. No, it's so, so, so upsetting. So I'm trying to think of one that's like spooky scary. I've got a lot of most upsetting moments. Right, right.

But actually being scared during a recap. There was something about the lodge that really scared me. That one was freaky. That one really spooked me. And I don't know. I guess it was her being alone in a house with children is terrifying to me. That would be terrifying, yeah. I can see how you might be able to maybe picture yourself in a similar situation. I think also the mind-bendiness of having your questioning your reality is very scary.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what about you guys what about or sammy what about you um it's hard for me to differentiate from the like experience of watching the movie and so i feel like i'll probably just say the scariest movie i've seen for the for the pod well it's two you reminded me that actually paranormal activity two the fan one not that it's scarier but remember i was watching it alone in a five bedroom house i was like the most scared i've ever been i actually felt like my life was in danger because i was surrounded by big glass windows where anyone could look in at nighttime in the middle of nowhere. It was a really bad idea.

And I was so scared. And then more recently, Ganjam Haunted Asylum had one scene that was almost unbearable to watch. It was so scary. But hey, we survived them all. We survived them all. Also, Aud audition was really bad yeah that one was bad we haven't talked about audition in a while that was our 100th episode wasn't it oh yeah i think it was audition was really bad i know can you believe that time

makes no sense doesn't make any sense at all wow. Well, should we talk about Midsommar? Midsommar. Yes. I will tell for those of you that don't know somehow, it was written and directed by Ari Astor, starring Florence Pugh, Jack Raynor, Wilhelm Blomgren, William Jackson Harper, and Will Poulter. And what year did it come out? I didn't write that down.

2017? 2019. 2019. Because it had just come out. Oh, that's right. That's why we did it. It was just the four-year anniversary of its release. Yes, yes.

Yes, yes, yes. So we were really... Had our fingers on the pulse.... Had our fingers on the pulse. We had our fingers on the pulse. It's time to pot some pans for podcasts. It has an 83% on Rotten Tomatoes, 72% on Metacritic, 7.1 on IMDb. Those should all be higher. That's honestly crazy to me.

Who has a bad review for midsummer 72 for metacritic is pretty good though i feel like they it's hard to get super high there okay but yes i mean i agree it's a it's a great film it's a great film and the budget was 9 million it made 45 million which i was kind of surprised. I thought it would have made more than that. Me too. Was it released internationally, I wonder? That's a great question. I'm not sure, but...

Not in Sweden. It was released in Sweden. Oh, it was released in Sweden because they... They all thought it was really funny. That was a trivia. They were laughing about it and they were... I mean, it is really funny. It was a missed opportunity because it was released a couple weeks after Mids-summer oh yeah the actual huge mistake someone on the marketing team yeah

definitely got fired and yeah some trivia for us is that despite taking place in sweden it was shot in hungary which i didn't know. Oh, interesting. Okay. I was going to ask about that, actually. It's beautiful. It is very beautiful. And I kind of remember this happening. This just made me laugh.

Ariana Grande is a big fan of this film. Okay. She calls it one of her favorite films of 2019, which is so funny to say and then to include in this trivia, which is like... Of 2019. What else came out in 2019 It just she can't even say it's one of her favorite films She has to Of 2019 There's so many films Yeah I don't want to get crazy

And then she tried and failed To buy the May Queen gown Used in the film as At an auction and I remember when that auction was happening. Who got it? I don't know, but it was a regular rich person. Real expensive. Yeah.

Too expensive for Ariana Grande? Crazy. I guess so. And she threw a Midsommar themed birthday party for herself on her 27th birthday. A lot of Ariana Grande trivia for this movie. birthday a lot of ariana grande trivia for this movie uh and i found this out recently which is that hayley lou richardson was going to be the danny character whoa and wouldn't have been as good no it's just so hard to picture anybody but florence i mean obviously i think hayley lou is great but it would not have been floren Florence is just I think a stronger dramatic actor

Florence is like one of the best Actors I feel like I've ever seen Her performance in this movie is Crazy Earth shattering Very similar vibes Florence Pugh and Hayley Liu Yeah like a

Baby face But like who has like a gravitas. But Haley Lou has said that she has still not been able to watch this movie because she's like so upset that it didn't work out. And I think it was her choice. I think she stepped out of it. Oh. And maybe maybe regrets that. Oh, I would definitely regret that. Oh. And maybe regrets that. Oh, I would

definitely regret that. Yeah. This helped launch Florence Pugh's career. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Haley Lou has the White Lotus. She does. Which is pretty good. Yeah, she's doing alright. Not Midsommar. She is doing just fine.

She's doing just fine. And then something else from re-listening to our very first episode was the breaking news in that episode of Florence and Zach Braff dating. That was the day we all learned. We all found that out that day. Just another little time capsule moment. In the past few years, I have hit a point where I only want to be wearing clothes that are comfortable. It happened. It happened to me. But you know what? I still also want to look cute. And these are two desires that are often extremely opposing.

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Oh, my God. It's so worth seeing. I watched it during the day. And actually, no, that's not true. I watched half of it the last half at night. So. Wow. Look at me.

Look at you. Did it by myself. Didn't even have like other tabs open. Wasn't even distracted doing laundry like i promised in the first step really wanted it full screen wanted to experience the whole thing there were some moments at the end that i closed my eyes and didn't it's there yeah it's definitely like like we were saying it's like there are some very upsetting moments. It's there are very few like like I feel like watching it at night is actually perfectly fine for this movie because it's not like that kind of scary to me. You know, yeah, it's just very upsetting.

But it's also so funny and gorgeous. Like it's so well made. It's so well made. It's so well made. And that's the main thing I want to talk about is how well made it is. I think the thing I was so impressed by, which it's hard to convey in a recap, is how well written it is. The actual dialogue between Christian and Danny in the beginning and between Christian and his friends in the beginning. You know, we know Christian's an asshole, right? But it's immediately so clear in these so such,

Ari Aster just does such an amazing job writing realistic, manipulative dialogue, like the dynamics. The one argument that I had forgotten about that I found incredibly triggering was when- About the part going to Sweden? Yes, when she comes back afterwards, after finding out for the very first time that he's leaving for Sweden in two weeks triggering was when about the part going to sweden yes when she comes back afterwards after um finding

out for the very first time that he's leaving for sweden in two weeks for a month and a half and she has every right to be angry at him at him just neglecting to tell her this information her boyfriend of four years yes and he just turns it right around into eventually she's apologizing to him. Saying, I'm sorry. Because she's attacking him. And oh, my God. Yeah, I was getting heated. Yeah, it's really that argument in particular is like, oh, my.

It's so realistic, like you said, and so subtle. And so like, oh, my God. It makes me so mad. In the beginning. Bad man. Bad man. In the beginning when she's talking to him on the phone and just from the very beginning, she's like, so are we hanging out tonight? And he's like, oh, did we have plans?

And she's like, oh, well, not clearly. Like, but we could. And he's like, yeah, well, not clearly like, but we could. And he's like, um, yeah, yeah, we can hang out. It's like, even just that was triggering for me. Oh, it's awful. Where it's like, you, do you want to hang out or not? Are you like, what the fuck are you doing here? Are you making, am I asking too much of you by asking if I'm going to hang out?

My boyfriend of four years. And then she says, then she says, um, oh, well oh well like i'm really lucky to have you or something like that and he goes yeah well they're both so good jack reiner is so fucking good in it such a good american accent that's another thing yeah the heat uh the only american is really uh william jackson harper right yep Three names always throws me off. Me too. One of those is wrong. It's just more opportunities to get one of the names wrong. And those are all

first names, right? They could all be first names. Yes, he's the only American in the cast. And I'm so used to seeing him play Chidi in The Good Place where he's obviously such a good character. So to see him play an asshole was alarming too. I was like, I seeing him play Chidi in The Good Place, where he's obviously such a good character. So to see him play an asshole was alarming, too.

I was like, I don't like seeing him play an asshole. Talk about four years, too. We were saying Will Poulter has really grown. Time has been kind to him. Time has been kind to Will Poulter. And he has had a growth spurt. He's had a big growth spurt. He's had an actual growth spurt, a real one. Not just mental, but actual. Not just mental. A physical growth spurt. He's had a big growth spurt. He's had an actual growth spurt, a real one.

Not just mental, but actual mental. A physical growth spurt. Width. He's gotten wider. All of his circumferences are different. Oh my God, even his dick? Amazing. I don't know.

Emily knows. Emily knows. I saw it before and I saw it after. Huge difference. We're keeping track of the data. But you know, I think pretty much probably across the board, all the circumferences, all the visual circumferences, aside from head, I think got bigger. Yeah.

You know, around the legs, around the arms, around the chest. So that's the state of his circumferences. I don't know if you guys know what I mean when I say all of his circumferences. Probably his neck, too. Neck, for sure. His thumbs. His thumbs!

All around his thumbs. His thumbs got massive. Each individual finger, they each have their own circumference. Finger weights. He's doing finger weights like alex honnold um wait should we do the are we doing a recap now well yeah let's just kind of go through it loosely i want to know your guys's reactions to that it's uh the opening scene which isn't quite the opening scene which i had forgotten that there is you know there's

some chatter before build up to it but you know what i'm referring to when i say the opening scene which i had forgotten that there is you know there's some chatter before build up to it but you know what i'm referring to when i say the opening scene because it is one of the most disturbing parts of the movie that old murder suicide yeah really really really bad that part is awful yeah i thought it was just done okay so first of all i love how the movie starts out and it's dark and cold and snowy so that's's a great way to set the tone. I had totally forgotten that. And I wasn't expecting that. And then just the way that Ari Aster did that of like the slow motion tracking shot through the house with the firefighters, like seeing the after effects of the murder is such a good murder. Suicide is such a good way to present that.

It's was so sad. And I was luckily watching that part during the day. So it was honestly, I had my brightness all the way up and it was like kind of hard for me to see. I could really see the sister, but I couldn't really see the parents that well. It's for the best. No, they actually look totally, the parents look normal. They look like they're just asleep in their beds i i looked away for the sister part i did not want to didn't want to look at her i looked at it i looked at it full on and it because i remember your description of it sammy and the

first one was so upsetting the milky vomit eyes and one of her eyes is a different color like it's a blood vessel has burst or something i and that i find that very when i pictured it when you when you told us i pictured it being like a real close-up shot of her face so i was surprised to have this kind of tracking shot and seeing it from her from a distance and seeing her whole body and then see it kind of zoom in towards her the cinematography is incredible it's incredible shout out to paul pogorzelski hell yeah shout out who stunning works with ari often and he's man incredible yeah the i was really prepared for it though i mean i think that if i wasn't prepared it would have been way harder to watch. Yeah. Honestly, for me, and granted, I didn't look directly at that part. That is not the most difficult part of the movie for me.

The most difficult part of the movie is her crying after is. It's like the most upsetting sound I've ever heard. It gives me it like it's like almost like a nails on a chalkboard Like physical sensation when I So when I rewatched it I watched it A couple months ago Um and then when I rewatched it To do this recording I just skipped past that

Whole part because I was like I can't Hear it again like I really really can't Yeah there's this like similar Moment with Tony Collette in Hereditary that he it's just these like performances from these women in the most devastating moment of their lives and oh my god yeah they're both thinking about it so effective i know i got chills but i wanted to say that that song that plays during uh through kind of the end of that

scene and through the title sequence is on one of my spotify like most trait most played oh my god of course lists and so i was on shuffle in my car listening to music can you believe it and it was something normal at first and then just all of a sudden because the the song starts with oh no no no that's how it starts and i'm like oh my god this just popping on randomly is very funny but i love that cue i mean it's a great it's a great score the context when the screaming happens too is that christian's hanging out with his asshole friends and they're all telling him like you gotta break up with her

and mark is like she's abusing you man it's literal abuse that's what he says oh my god his character is such a piece of shit well that's the other thing that i liked about the movie is that you want all these people to die that's like a very common thing with slashers, too. Like you want all of the people that you're about to watch die. You want to want them to die. But I don't know if you really feel that in a lot of flash. And a lot of slashers are just kind of like stupid and you don't really care. Ari Aster makes you hate these people.

Yeah. You hate them. I mean, they're bad people. They're such assholes and um then him them being like she's calling you back again is that her again are you fucking kidding me and then he picks up and it's her wailing and it's like all that together is terrible oh it's so bad i will say though christian is put in a pretty tough spot right then because what what would you guys do if you were him right then?

You mean like would you break up? No. When is the appropriate amount of time to break up with her? No. Because you can't leave her in that moment. I think he's put in a pretty tough predicament. I don't

think you can leave them in that moment. But that, you know, that's an argument for you leave when you win. As soon as it's not right. Right. As soon as it's not right. It's very clear that they're far past the expiration date. Well, she I feel like she doesn't know that, though. I mean, I think she's I think she's has has some relationship issues of her own.

Yeah. She's not like she's she's not happy. No, she's not happy in communicating her her needs. No. But that conversation she has with her friend in the beginning, it's all about how she's like, am I asking too much of him? Am I just asking? It's not like he's not right for me.

Right. She doesn't have the right perspective on it but I guess that's kind of the whole point of the movie is that her perspective changes a little bit yeah that's a common dynamic I feel like the more you feel as though you have to like pull at somebody that becomes all you're thinking about you're like what you actually want your needs go away anxious attachment style oh yeah baby which tends to find and avoid it yeah attachment style yeah wow that's deep yeah yeah um and then another line early on that i liked that i forgot about was pele saying think of all the swedish women you'll impregnate in June. Oh, so Pele

fucking knew. That was the other thing, is that Pele and then his brother Ingmar, they clearly like Ingmar later says, oh, I was dating Connie. That was something that stood out to me too. Yes. Is that I had never really clocked in what ways

Connie and Simon were assholes. It just kind of happened so fast. It feels like kind of standard exposition, but it's in that moment that we find out, oh, Ingmar hates these people. Yeah. Yeah. And they're really rude to him. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Simon like fucks with him and is like, yeah, we want you to officiate our wedding. No. Just kidding. Just kidding. Just kidding. Yeah. And that the idea is like he was hoping to bring Danny there to have her live with them forever. Yeah. And do you think that he realizes that in that scene in the beginning when he's showing her the May Queens and then he looks at her and he's like, oh, maybe you should come.

Actually, I think he knows it from the very beginning that she says she's coming. I think he likes her from the jump and like knows that she's dating a complete asshole and feels like he's like, he's going to be good for the bear suit and you're going to be good for May Queen. Yeah. It's like casting them. It is. It is mine. And that's another thing I want to clarify is that they do the May Queen thing every year, but they only do the nine human sacrifices. Every 90.

Every 90 years. Okay. Yeah. But the May Queen, they're not killing, but they're probably the 72 year olds are jumping off the cliff every year. The etishtupa. Etishtupa. Yeah. So, I mean, if we're going to just go, go through it And continue to give our thoughts as we go Yeah Danny finds out that they're going to

Sweden and is very upset about it And so it's Christian Christian, Mark, Josh And Pele They're going to Sweden For I don't know why they were going for six weeks But they were gonna do this and then like keep going Around Europe

Yeah they're gonna go to other places. And fucking the conversation that they have, that Christian has with his friends, like, by the way, I invited Dani. She's not going to come. She's not going to come. I invited her. She's not going to come. I mean, she accepted the invitation, but she's not going to come. He's awful.

He's awful. What? How do we? Oh, I love this too. She's talking with Pele because nobody else wants to fucking talk to her and they literally leave the room. And Pele tells her he

was so sad to hear about what happened with her family, which is really... It's like she's not even ready to hear that. And she gets up to go to the bathroom and cry and it smash cuts to her being in the plain bathroom crying yeah it's really good it's very effective um i also love florence pugh's wardrobe throughout

all this she's just wearing like the drabbest comfy as hell the drabbest t-shirt sweatpants combo i was noticing i mean the costume design is is is great and just how much they all stick out and why yes i was like pele really didn't tell them hey bring some white clothes because everyone will be in white and they're all in very dark colors so they just absolutely stick out which is um the point yeah do you think they're told so but they tell pele and ingmar before they go out they're like you guys are like recruiters yeah they're like you guys go find some people you would want us to murder yes yeah i think so i think that is exactly um because yeah so i feel like there's something else about that moment there's all these two i was noticing

since this is my second time seeing it um there are all these subtle little things happening in the backgrounds of shots too that are like set like there's that in thorns pew's room there's a big bear painting on the wall of a bear and a little princess yes yes um there are a couple others where it's just yeah the filmmaking is just like so intentional and yeah yeah and how many shots happen where people are having a conversation and you're only seeing their reflection which feels like an intentional and the metaphor of the

breakup of that like it's like always at a distance there were a couple shots like that at the beginning which I just yeah it was just really such a well made movie I love the shot of them when they've arrived to sweden where the camera pans upside down as they're driving down this long country road it's very disorienting and it feels like i guess because they're upside down i'm like oh

stranger things upside down world like we're like going into a world different from our own and um just to say that that what that shot was one of the starting shots for framed uh one of my favorite morning daily games got it right away and i got it on one baby huge so then they're going there they ask how far away it is it's four hours they get there they're going there. They, um, they ask how far away it is. It's four hours. They get there. They're immediately greeted with shrooms. And we get the, another classic manipulative conversation where she's like,

listen, like, I don't want to, I just want to get settled first. And he's like, oh, okay, well then I won't,

I won't do it either. And she's like, oh no, no, no, no, like that whole, that he knows exactly what he's doing. See, I kind of think he doesn it either. And she's like, oh, no, no, no. Like that whole time.

He knows exactly what he's doing. See, I kind of think he doesn't. Oh, really? I think he's like. No, I think he does. I think he's like, has no fucking idea how to be a good boyfriend to her because he doesn't want to be with her. And I think he is like trying to do what he thinks she wants him to do but yeah he just like he just hates her so it's just everything comes off as for me the like this being like i won't do it now that that didn't hit me as as being like so intentionally manipulative but then when the when will poulter's

character is like you're not going to do it with us. We're going to have totally different trips. Yeah. And then that he like cares more about that than his girlfriend, like not wanting to do drugs. And he lets her be like, OK, I'll do it with it like that. I'm like, oh, right. That he won't like stand up for her. Yeah.

Just like. Yeah. It's like then have your own fucking trip. I don't care. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like I read more about intentions into Christian, especially the way that he handles yeah just like yeah it's like then have your own fucking trip i don't care yeah i don't know i feel like i read more about intentions into christian especially the way that he handles the thesis

thing with josh later i think that he's like he's such he's really good he's really good at manipulating people um but then they all do shrooms and yes it's the best depiction of shrooms again it just got me and i know i said it in our very first episode, but the line that really got me was, I'm going to lie down now. Everybody else lie down too. Everyone else lie down too. His character is so perfect. It reminds me of just an 11-year-old boy. Yeah.

It's an 11-year-old boy and just what they're like. And it's so disheartening how many young men are still 11-year-old boys. Well, he's had a growth spurt, though, you know? old boys well he's had a growth spurt though you know yeah now he had now he's got a huge thumbs he's got to carry around with him no it's true it's true there's a lot of little boys out there yeah they get to Sweden. It's gorgeous. Oh, she has another freak out that you mentioned in the first episode that one of them says,

you guys are like my real family. Triggering for her. It's really triggering. Her being like freaking out and having an emotional meltdown while you're tripping. It was so awful. She keeps saying to herself, you're fine, you're fine while you're tripping oh it's so awful like she keeps saying to herself like you're fine you're fine you're fine it's like oh it's awful but she goes to sleep she

falls asleep and when she wakes up it is still bright and we learn that it's only dark for like four hours or something while they're there which is wild. And will that be the case when you go to Sweden? Oh, yeah. So I'm going to Sweden in August. I forgot to mention. And I think it won't be quite because Midsommar is like that's literally the longest day of the year. So it's getting shorter and shorter, but it'll be bright for certainly longer than it is here um i'm very interested and i gotta say i am very excited to go to sweden i feel like i feel like i could join this cult yeah oh yeah i feel like i was thinking too i was like if this

only happens every 90 years and you die at 72, some people will never have to experience all the murders. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people will never. And like for Dani, this, she's never going to see this again. You know, she can just sort of forget that it happened and live a nice, I mean, the, you know.

Until you're 72. The old people will continue to die. I was curious about this too, because Pele kept saying my parents died in a fire. I wondered about that too. But it wouldn't make sense timing wise for, cause obviously his parents didn't die 90 years ago or, you know, like 70. No,

that doesn't make sense. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense, but it doesn't, it feel like that's what's implied. It does feel like that's what's implied. Yeah. That's a good point.

So Ari, Ari, what's that about? What does that mean? Yeah. I noticed that this time too. I was like, wait a minute. So what's the first thing that happens when they're...

I just have a question. Speaking of clarifying things, what's going on with the scissors underneath the pillow of the little baby crib? Oh, I didn't even notice that. I wondered that as well. I missed that. I think it was just...

I thought... Just like a little ritual thing. It might be a ritual thing. Later, somehow I convinced myself it had to do with Maya's pubes somehow. That could be right. What happened? She was like hiding the scissors and then she was going to cut her pubes. Yes.

There's a scene, because they go after they've arrived to their final destination. They all stay in this big room with all these little twin beds, twin extra long. They look twin extra short. They don't look long to me. Not long enough. And everyone is in that room. And then there's one little baby crib in there. Yeah, the baby crying constantly in the background is a good

part of the atmosphere. Some added dread for you. And for us all, nobody likes to hear a baby crying. And so she puts scissors under the baby's... Under the pillow in that crib. Yeah, and I think

you're probably right, Emily, that makes sense that it's part of the little ritual of her. Things she puts under Christian's bed. Yeah. Yeah. Probably. Or it has to do with the mom. You know, they said the mom's away.

And so it's like cutting ties with the mom or something like that. Oh, like a little metaphor. I don't know. Ari. We already know. I also just want to point out A thing that can't fully be grasped In a recap and a thing that wasn't

In our first one which is Truly how I mean you know you did mention this How like funny it is but when they arrive At the Commune or whatever There's like trio Playing little like Wooden recorders

Just playing a little funny song as i don't it was so so funny to me everybody's vibe in this commune i mean because they must know like well you're all here to die um and it's the way they like walk in the background is always funny what the one dude his name is is odd that's his character name and he's very funny anyway yeah i love i love it hard to capture surprised by that in re-watching as well just how it's kind of like a laugh every couple minutes it's so funny very non-stop maybe not straight jokes but like something is funny every couple minutes something is funny it's sort of like the intentionality of the filmmaking that like in every shot basically

there there's something funny going on if you're looking for it yeah i think i probably didn't appreciate it as much the first time just because i was filled with dread because i didn't know what was gonna happen but yeah the more you re-watch, the more it's like, oh, it's actually just so funny. So funny. So they go to bed, right? And wake up. Does anything happen that first night? Not really.

I don't remember, but I do want to shout out the paintings in the room that they're all in. There's a lot of paintings on the wall it's very intricately like every square inch is covered with this these hand-painted little creepy murals yeah of again various ritual looking things and people with um i don't know like bleeding out of certain or if it's yeah it like looks really nice it's not an inherently scary if you glance at it like oh what the fuck it's like everything looks pleasant and and like happy and then you just look closer and it's like wait what the fuck it's also so much of what happens to these characters and the ways that they die is like right there on the walls

there's so walls. The one series of handkerchiefs or something that are drawn on. Oh, and he says, it's a love story. Yeah, and it's like what happens to Christian, but it's a woman cutting off her pubes,

menstruating into a glass, the man drinking from the glass, and then she's pregnant and it's like so funny it's a love story it's so funny but I think the first big thing is the at Stupa because that's when

that's the first big day of the festival and the first time they realize they're in a very strange place. Yeah, this is real. I always pictured them. So, okay.

So they do the, how do you say it? Ashtupa? Ashtupa? Ashtupa? Ashtupa. I don't know if that is how you say it, but that's how I like to say it. And that's all that matters. And that's all that matters.

Ashtupa. I don't know. So Peli tells them before they go to bed that that's what's happening the next day and josh who knows what that is is like really a real one and you're getting hints of them being like excited you know you see josh be like oh like we get to see people die well and what a dick he is that he won't tell anybody what it is because he's so superior absurd to not give people warning for this and especially i know he doesn't give a fuck about danny but danny who's traumatized just had her sister commit suicide and kill her parents to be like i think seeing this is going to be

really really really triggering when i first heard this i pictured them jumping into a shallow creek i don't know why that was interesting i don't know why that was in my head the entire time. I pictured it differently too. Like into water? Yeah, I picture them jumping into water. I didn't picture them jumping into water, but I pictured the people watching being at the top of the cliff with the jumpers and they are at the bottom. In the splash zone. They're in the splash zone. I also thought that, but that was corrected at some point. We did an episode where you corrected that or you told me that the perspective was different. Yeah. And so that really that helped reshape it.

But I was still imagining water being involved somehow. I don't know why. Yeah. No water. Dry as a bone out there. Mm hmm. They are dry and rocky. Yeah.

To pencil dive off a cliff. You have seen so many people do this it's so funny it's so fucking funny like what are you thinking what are you thinking and honestly i have to say in this moment so the old the 72 year old lady jumps first dies instantly smacks her fucking head on a rock terrible and then of course people start freaking out the the visitors and the way that simon and connie are freaking out i was sort of like they're they're the ones being insane now like you would be so traumatized but they keep they like are trying to stop the old man they like he goes to the edge of the like don't do it and it's like

do you think he doesn't know what he's doing? He's freaking out and screaming he's like you're all fucked you're off and it's like my guy I understand this is very upsetting you just need to be quiet and try to like leave we know you won't be able to but

to insult them and scream at them and think it was like, that's going to do anything. They're going to be like, Ooh, this guy's upset. I think that we should stop. I love there's one of the cult members that's next to them. And all the scene is filmed in a way where every,

everything is muffled because it's from Danny's perspective. And she's absolutely like dissociating and having a very big reaction to it obviously and so you just hear kind of and you just see one of the cult members turn as Connie and Simon are freaking out and kind of look towards Cameron and be like

what the fuck she does this little shrug that really makes me laugh and when it ends so then the band pencil dive is so funny Then it has to get bludgeoned to death Um And as they're leaving Like okay ceremony done

One of the people One of the cult members says Sorry we didn't warn you about that So sorry we didn't warn you better It's so funny it's like Yeah you didn't warn them at all It's so funny. It's like, yeah, you didn't warn them at all. It's so not a big deal to them. You know what?

Okay, so one of my takeaways is I love Pele so much. And in thinking about this now, I'm kind of mad at him that he didn't warn Danny. I feel like he should have warned Danny. He should have warned Danny. He should have warned Danny. Maybe the whole point is like she couldn't become one of them unless she had. Experienced it all. But yes, no, he should have.

He should have warned Danny. And then they're all kind of freaking out. And I feel like deciding if they should leave or what to do. What I love is Christian. Afterwards, he asked Danny, like, are you, you know, how are you? OK. And she's really upset. And it's like, you you know how are you okay and she's really upset and it's like I mean aren't you and he goes yeah it was really shocking

his response was so like what do you have any feelings at all of course it was really shocking of course I'm trying to keep an open mind though oh god yeah he's just placating her and Of course. It was really shocking. Of course. Of course. I'm trying to keep an open mind, though. Oh, God. Yeah.

He's just placating her. And they decide to stay. Mm-hmm. Well, she wants to leave, but then Pele convinces her to stay. Mm. Right. Yeah. Danny starts to, like, pack up her stuff.

And that's when Pelly comes and talks with her and tells her like i was you know most excited for you to come and he tells her about his parents dying and that he you know he's like i know because she starts crying i was like don't i don't want to talk about it and he like like is like no i get it i get it i get it and um like i was able to survive my trauma because I feel like she like stops herself also because she's so aware that Christian can't handle any of that conversation. So she's like, I need to tamp down my emotions for everyone around me. Oh, yeah. And Pele is like giving her space like, no, you don't like here.

You can let it out. Yeah. And he's like, I was able to survive that because I was held by this community. They held me. And that he says that line of like she says do you feel held by christian christian and he says yeah do you feel loved by him do you feel held by him does he feel like home to you it's one of my favorite lines in like all of cinema i think about it all the time do you feel held by him does he feel like home to you and then she's like oh and then

decides to stay there's something in that conversation where she's like hmm yeah but that's when we lose Simon yeah Simon and Connie well Simon quote unquote leaves yeah and yeah so Simon isn't that Simon

and Connie decide they're gonna leave and we see Connie come out with all her stuff and wonders where Simon is and the guy's like oh um I drove him to the train station he said he'll he'll say he'll meet you after he wanted me to let you know and

to me when Joel and I were watching this I was like that would absolutely be the moment in which I'm like oh fuck because she's like he wouldn't do that and true like if Joel and I were in that situation and someone told me like, oh yeah, he left, he settled me there, I'd be like, something is very, very wrong.

Very wrong. There is no universe where I would accept that as an answer. But she keeps asking like, what are you talking about? Why would he be? Oh, it was a, there was only two seats in the truck and she's like, I would have sat in his lap we don't break traffic laws we don't break traffic laws it's really good yeah the train is gonna leave 90 minutes from now and it's a 35 minute

drive and we just really don't want to waste any time perfectly orchestrated answers it was so funny and it's important to note this was so key is that before that night before danny had had a dream that they all leave without her. Terrible nightmare. And so then to have this happen, and then they're all sitting and about to eat again. And she says to Christian, she's like, Simon left without Connie. And then she says, I feel like that's something you would do. Yeah, we start to see it happening. And he's like, I could see you doing that.

I could see you doing that. Yeah. And he's like, I could see you doing that. I could see you doing that. And it's the very it's the first time she has said anything at all, kind of calling out the actual relationship dynamic. That's also when Christian takes a bite of his pie and there's a pubic hair in it. And I do believe that is also when he's drinking a cup of juice that has menstrual blood in it. Some period blood in it. Yeah.

Yeah. Maya, one of the cult. I was shocked in watching. Maya looks so young. So young. Doesn't she look like a teenager? I had to look it up because I was like, she was 20 when the movie filmed. But she looks young.

Yeah. She looks like a teen for sure she had been yeah making making eyes at him and she had done her little flirty kick at him and um yeah now we're like okay is this one mark has mark peed on the ancestral tree by now we can talk about it now we can talk about it now he that was also very funny because he pees on this fucking tree everyone freaks out because it's very important and he's like what i just need to pee what i just need to pee his reaction again 11 year old boy just written as like an kind of slightly spoiled 11 year old boy yeah it's also like honestly for that one i'm sort of like

he shouldn't have peed there. There's definitely other places. It's like disrespectful to do that, generally speaking. And then his reaction is not correct. But in that moment, I was like, how was he supposed to know? Yeah, he didn't know. Like, yeah. You know, to be fair, he didn't know. Because in watching, you see, because they burn the two 72 year olds.

Because they burn The two 72 year olds and you See in the background of An earlier shot them pouring Ashes at that tree I see But it's not it's like You would not notice it right Do where you're not looking for it

That should have been included in the Tour not really his fault yeah But Yeah then he he does not never apologizes doesn't handle it correctly also getting yelled at in another language for something you don't know why would be really jarring but so there so he's gonna be the first one to get picked off out of that group because he's peed on the tree he literally says i think that guy's gonna murder me yeah you're not wrong and he does and we oh we yeah we don't see his murder happen we just william jackson harper

wants to see the book it goes to see the ruby before that we get which is a really cool subtle moment um florence pew is baking with all the women yes she's starting to bond with and we hear a very distant sound that is like was that a scream but we wouldn't necessarily think but and now when you're watching, it's like, oh, that was Connie dying. Oh. You like hear a scream. Oh. And that's definitely Connie dying. And then Will Poulter's been making eyes at this one woman. And she just says, like, you'll come with me.

And that's. I will show you. I'll show you. I'll show you. He gets up and goes for her. Then they kill her. Oh. Yeah. then they kill him oh yeah and because josh is doing his thesis on midsummer traditions he's very interested in this sacred text that they have that is held in their basically their church and there i thought it was interesting whenle first is yelling at them for that.

Like, no, you obviously can't talk about these things like this is private and not meant to be broadcast. And then he has a moment where you see him kind of have a like, fuck it. Like, obviously, they're going to die. He has a moment where he's like, let me talk to the elders about it. And then he's like, they said to the elders about it and then he's like they said yes you could do it um which made me laugh because i'm like yeah well because they're gonna be fucking killed that piece isn't gonna be seen the light of day that that text that information ain't leaving the no no no no um and they and so he gets to look at the book but the man showing him tells him he asked asks if he can take a picture.

And he says, no. He gets really upset. No, absolutely not. And so he freaking sneaks out in the night. This part, this was one of the scariest scenes for me, actually. This was the scariest scene for me because I had forgotten what happened to Mark. I couldn't remember. Yeah.

And I thought it was Mark mark i'd forgotten that like that was his someone wearing his skin skin and penis i need to call that out oh i thought it was his own penis no it's it's bloody and it's on the outside of his clothes oh my god and it makes sense because he peed on the tree i think that's like part of it oh my god so we talked about this in the first episode but that means the inside of his peed on the tree. I think that's like part of it. Oh my God. So we talked about this in the first episode, but that means the inside of his penis is on the outside of his penis. No, I think he just taped it on.

The penis is adhered to the pants. You don't think he would fully in the penis like a glove? It would have to be a perfect fit. It would have to be a perfect fit. It would have to be a perfect fit. And he'd have to hollow it out. He'd have to hollow it out. I think that'd be hard.

Disgusting. Oh my God. Yes, he. I think that'd be hard. Disgusting. Oh, my God. Yes, he's wearing Mark's face and penis. Oh, my God. Yeah, wow. No, I didn't. I always thought it was his own penis. That does add some extra color to the scene for me.

Yeah, so at first when I watched it, I thought that was Mark. And I was like, what did they do to him to make him look like that? Like, what the hell was that? What did they make? Why does he look that way? And then I, you know, looked it up later and I was like, oh, right. Fuck. Of course. It's he was skinned alive. Maybe. Probably. Yeah. Probably after having his penis cut off. Yeah. That's a really bad first. I guess a really bad way to die that there's also a scene early on where some of the kids are playing something and they say what are they playing and they say they're playing skin the fool oh yeah and in the very end we see that

they put a little jester hat on his his body for the final ritual so they he's the he's the fool oh my god and i read a trivia too that so yeah so josh is like taking pictures of the text which is not supposed to do mark's skin and penis center jesus and somebody else yeah not legends him yeah in the head and i saw a trivia that that's pele yeah oh how do we know i guess if you it, that he's like visible in a frame or. Okay. It's visual confirmation. Okay.

Wow. Pele. The thing about this cult that I don't think, you know, I can get on board with a lot of it, but the, the, the really terrible murders are not,

I'm not a huge fan of the skinning and the, the castrating is um yeah it's pretty tough maybe it's stuff too far i don't know i can get on board they're a little bloodthirsty um yeah the groan that is emitted by josh is really bad bad noise bad groan really bad noise and then yeah we just see him get dragged out of frame and just a little bloody streak left behind. And so, and then the next morning, they

all say that the book was stolen to make it seem as though Josh left with it. And then maybe Mark left with that girl. So it's just Danny and Christian. And yeah the way that christian's like i we are just in no way associated with him i would hate to think that anybody thinks that we have anything to do with this or him and i it the way danny

looks at him in that scene too is like you're such a piece of really seeing him she's such a piece of shit well we also haven't talked about christ about Christian telling Josh that he's going to do the thesis on. He's doing the thesis also. And that whole conversation is, again, a masterclass in manipulation of him being like, listen, I've decided I want to do it on here. What are they called? The Horgha? Is that the name of the community? So he's like, I'll be doing it on the Horgha.

Yeah. And Josh is. Josh is like, are you fucking understandably pretty mad yeah like this is what i've been he said he says he's open to collaborating though which is so funny so chill of him to say which and that is another thing he says when he's saying talking about like we are just a no i would hate for anybody to think that we are like in any way associated with him collaborating with it he like uses a specific word collaborating which is so funny because he had kept talking about how they're collaborating on their thesis. Is this when he immediately dives into asking about incest?

There's a point at which they're having a serious conversation. He's like, so do you guys have problems with incest? And Danny looks at him like, what the fuck? Oh, yes. I think it's before. I think it's before, but it's before but it is yeah they're having like some other important i the other conversation stuck out to me it's just another moment where she's kind of i mean realizing that he's yeah i'm just like oh it's when it's when um

uh simon left without connie i think he's like talking because Florence Pugh is asking, like, do you know where Simon went? And something like that. And oh, another another example of there's boundless of Christian being shitty is him completely forgetting her birthday. And I was drawing her like a beautiful drawing and giving it to her. So sweet. I fucking love Pele, man. Pele could recruit me to a cult for sure. Yeah, Pele is great. Pele is great pele is great um is also capable of some very intense murder you know you know you do what you gotta do to protect your you protect your tribe you know um meanwhile it's become very clear that maya has selected christian as the person she would like to be impregnated by.

Well, and because of that incest question from earlier, we find out they like to bring in new blood. So we're putting two and two together here that Christian's the selection. Yeah. He's going to be the new blood. He like pretty quickly, it seems, agrees. Like the Sid is her name? The name the leader oh they get pulled into two different she she has like a sit down with him and he looks at a painting on the wall of a bear on fire and sid yeah as like says basically you've been selected you've been approved for

mating with maya i loved that scene of him going into Sid's house because she's going to go do the dance. Right. And then he's or she's going to go spend the day with the women. And then he they're like, and Sid would like to see you in her house. And you see him be like scared. And then just the shot. He thinks it's going to be about the Josh and the book being gone. He's just worried that they're going to.

That's what I interpreted. I think that he also knows that like some fucked up shit is going on. I feel like he's like got a whiff of that and is like, I don't know if I want to go alone into this person's house. Yeah. And just the shot of him like turning around slowly and like slowly walking up towards the house. You're like, what the fuck is going to happen in that house? Yeah. And that's pretty benign compared to what happens afterwards but yeah and also who lives in a house

like that does someone actually live in that house that house that is covered in the craziest goddamn wallpaper i've ever seen in my whole life it might just be their like office or something type of thing yeah um but yeah danny goes to do the may queen stuff she's getting she they dress her in white and flowers so now she's blending in they're all laughing they're all drinking their drugs they're all they take some holding hands room tea and then they just start fucking running in a circle around this goddamn maple and man that would really i don't think i would react well to that i don't think i would i would win this and i was wondering do you think her winning what's the alternate scenario because i feel like pele was like planning this the whole time but you can't you can't fully guarantee that she's

gonna win and so what would that have looked like if she didn't win just being there I guess I'm just watching another May Queen choose whether Christian is a sacrifice or not I mean obviously it's for for the movie but yeah it's so crucial that she has that moment where it's her choice there was part of the time where I wondered there's like some girls that seem to just sort of fall i was thinking that willy-nilly and i do wonder if they if it's like that's the point is that this year when you bring the new person in she becomes the may queen right perhaps but you can't guarantee that she won't fall and like the girls next to her, did they fall? Maybe that's part of it. Were they holding her up?

Kind of. Or they're like the girls next to her. Did they stay up? I certainly think it's possible that everyone was doing what they could to ensure her winning. Try to make it so. Yeah. Yeah. And something I had forgotten in this scene that is just absolutely delightful is her speaking Swedish all of a sudden.

Oh, yeah. Or, well, is it Swedish or just gibberish? I think it's probably gibberish, but it's... She's like, we understand each other. Yeah. And I'm curious if it is Swedish. I'm not sure. But they are speaking not English and having this conversation like, sorry, I don't speak Swedish.

And they're like like you are speaking it i understand you it's really cute it's a really sweet scene and she is just being welcomed into this circle of women the importance of female friendship very important and she went to see it and she went and she wins and then meanwhile uh christian has been has said i don't know if i want to do more drugs i'm afraid i'll have a bad trip and they're like no oh no you're not gonna have a bad trip why would you have a bad trip you're not gonna have a bad trip you'll be fine so he has taken more drugs yet again and the worst trip of his life is about to begin he's also like I feel like it's really important to the way that he's watching Danny

in this moment and the way that he's watching everyone adore her is making him like really fucking pissed yeah he's like really surly about her having this moment yeah and yeah then he takes his

drugs and you see her notice that too yeah she looks out and everyone's laughing and she's laughing and having a good time and then she looks at him and he's like stands out so starkly his clothes his body language everything about him like she gives one of her perfect patented frowns. Just her mouth turning an absolute semicircle. Upside down. Upside down semicircle. It's really incredible frown that she is able to pull off. Like a true little girl pout.

You know, like a little toddler pout. It's also a little foreshadowed in that earlier shroom scene where they take at different times and they said, we'll have different trips. You're right. Because they're having different trips now, baby. They're absolutely having different trips. Yes, they are. So she gets carted off to become

adorned as the May Queen. And bless the crops. Pele comes up to her and is like, oh my god, Dany, you're the May Queen. That's amazing. And kisses her in like the most tender way. It was like a beautiful kiss. I was just thinking about that kiss. I know, that kiss was great. It's a good kiss. was like a beautiful kiss. I was just thinking about that kiss.

I know that kiss was great. It's a good kiss. It's a great kiss. And she asks if Christian can come. And he can't. The May Queen must ride alone. And so she goes off. Christian also must ride alone.

Christian must ride alone into the craziest sex bad time yeah no no no has sex with what's her name again maya maya right beautiful singing from the naked woman yeah so maya is laying on a bed of flowers which i was like that's kind of great um and he walks in naked. And there are probably 12 women of all ages naked behind Maya. Good swaying. Ah. Ah. Ah. Ah.

And he looks his performance is so, so good. He has had some definitely it's like something that they have given him in his drugs are making him like he's having the craziest trip of his life. His eyes are huge. He looks so scared. His pupils are massive. Looks like a scared little puppy. Hunched over in this like really specific way. Like his physicality is amazing in all of this.

But he gets on top of her and they start having sex. And all the women start getting closer and touching themselves and like mimicking Maya's moaning. And a woman comes over and holds Maya's hand. Christian goes to grab Maya's hand and this other woman swoops in and grabs it and starts singing

in Maya's ear and the way Christian looks up at her like huge eyes, terrified, confused about everything that's happening is really honestly very funny. I thought she had a beautiful voice though I kind of want to go back and listen to her little song again Absolutely beautiful

And then so Dani comes back Sorry I have to point out too that One of the women comes up from behind Christian And pushes his butt To like keep him thrusting She's like let's get this over with um and yeah he he finishes and maya is immediately like i can feel the baby and he is so freaked out that he

just gets up and runs out but before this happens danny comes back and looks you're right they're like they're like don't look in there don't look in there and it's not for you and she's like okay i'm gonna i'm gonna go with her little pouty yeah walks over in her mayflower outfit uh looks through the keyhole very dramatic look through the keyhole and just has another it's a reflective of the first breakdown another full breakdown full moaning I mean that's the moment I think she's like we're done yeah I'm done with Christian forever yeah and it's like

she's like escorted basically truly held like carried into the difference from the beginning is she is surrounded by people supporting her into the room where they were sleeping and all these women gather around her and like hold her face and just hug her face and just mirror back her grief yeah and and like sob in the same way that she is and it really is so beautiful they move they move like they're underwater or something it's really crazy to see

the choreography of that because she's at first trying to get away from them she's like i this is unfamiliar to me like i don't know what's happening and i just want to cry and have this moment but then she eventually as she's like moving around and she eventually kind of just like accepts that this is happening allows herself to be held by them and it's like whoa it's just you see her also fully assimilating into that group the way she looks at them too when she hears them sobbing the way that she is, her performance is incredible. You see her recognize that she's like being met where she's at.

Like she can see this little moment. Yeah. There's a lot going on. And she's like surprised by it and comforted by it. Like you can tell she needs it. She needs it so bad and it's so unfamiliar to her. It's like something that she has not had before. Yeah, I mean, she's getting across a lot in that look.

She's been completely alone in it. It's been so solitary and isolating and invisible. And now it's really out in the open um i read some trivia too that in the last 25 minutes of the movie neither christian nor danny speak any lines of dialogue right so like we've we've already entered that chapter we're like we're not gonna hear them speak at all right well for him because of some drugs that have maybe happened um but yeah so first christian freaks out runs out fully naked dick swinging dick absolutely swinging and this was jack rayner's idea to be naked really he was gonna have the robe um and he was like no i it's like he

should be really really vulnerable yeah that makes sense um also then he runs covering up his penis which is such a funny thing it's such a funny thing like it's really it's really very brave of him to have done that and it's also the exact right call and i just think it's really cool and joel was telling me he's a director oh i didn't know that he i don't know i didn't look into it again i why would i fact check but um that's a real like director choice i feel like to be like no he needs to be naked here and here's why yeah great um which was correct and he goes into the right goddamn chicken coop yep and see yes bad chicken coop okay so coop. He's still alive in some way, right?

Do we think that, though? He looks pretty fucking dead when you see his face. The lungs are breathing, though. I don't know how it could be physically. Oh, thank God. She did a fact check. I did a fact check because I was curious. This is...

Apparently, this was like a Viking thing that they would they would like to kill someone. They would do this where they would cut open their rib cage and pull their lungs out like wings while they were still alive. And then they would die that way. while they were still alive. And then they would die that way. And so in this moment, it's unclear what,

like you wouldn't, apparently you need your diaphragm to be able to actually like move air in and out of your lungs. So like you, you wouldn't, the lungs wouldn't still be moving. I think, yeah, it's probably not physically possible,

but the effect is, the effect is incredible. Really? Yeah.. I think, yeah, it's probably not physically possible, but the effect is incredible. And I think, too, Christian is tripping in this moment, too. So he could be, you know how Florence's flowers are pulsing? He could be imagining that part of it,

just because of the horror of what he's seeing. Either way. He's had his lungs taken out of his body either way. Yeah. And has like flowers in his eyes and he is like splayed over the ceiling of the chicken coop. It's a very disturbing scene. But again, it looks great.

It's like the attention to detail And all these little things Really incredible stuff And then yeah, someone sneaks up behind him And blows some powder in his face And it's kind of a jump scare But it's also pretty funny It's also very funny And then he wakes up and the woman is like

Christian, you can't move And you can't speak, okay? She's so cute I loved this woman Christian? You can't move and you can't speak. Okay. She's so cute. I really she was. I loved this woman. You can move and you can't speak. Okay.

And I love the little camera effect or however they did it where because he can't open or close his own eyes, they have to open and close one at a time for him. And so half of the screen will get light as they open that eye it just is a very funny little effect also when i imagined all this happening i imagine it happening in a dark space which i knew even though we've said it a million times it was bright i didn't imagine it being so clean and bright the fact that he's in a clean white outfit and in like a nice little wheelchair and just kind of a creepy little wheelchair yeah but it was i kind of pictured him being like tied up like dungeon yeah no it's still like a beautiful day it's a beautiful day and everyone's in their crisp white outfits and yeah it's very clean and you know like i don't know i just didn't picture it that way yeah first time i mean it's some dark shit so yeah it makes sense but yeah that's the beauty of this film is the whole backdrop is so idyllic and beautiful yeah and then she's got to make her decision the maid queen gets

to decide who's going to be the last sacrifice christian or this other random guy from the village they have a very cool set piece of the like little lotto thing that they that they use to choose who will be the the person sacrificed if it's not christian and he steps forward so willingly everyone is very on board with this, it seems. And even in the Etta Stupa earlier, they say how it brings them joy to do this thing. I wonder if it's his literal brother. Pele calls Ingmar his brother. I don't think it is his literal brother.

Okay, all right. So just another person he grew up with. Anyone who grew up, I think, at the same the same they refer to them as brothers and sisters and he's volunteered to be a sacrifice so yeah it shows you which i was surprised by yeah but i think it's good it just tells you that like anyone can do it and it's you know an honor they're really committed to this community and it's a religious ceremony and and it's honorable i think and so there's that aspect of it as well like it's it's meant as a sacrifice to cleanse the community and um so yeah they're volunteering to do it. That yew tree

sap ain't gonna fucking cut it, man. No, no, no. We don't see Dani actually make a choice. She doesn't speak any words, but we do see Christian being carted into a room with a dead bear. And these

kids being instructed of how to pull the organs out of the bear properly again all happening in a very bright kind of beautiful space the idea of like being Christian in this moment and you are fully aware of all of this

and can do nothing you're just shoved into a bear you know what so awful I've heard and I meant to read this but I've heard that this scene in the script is even more horrifying because in, you know, the, it's not called stage direction, but you know what I mean? That it's describing more of his thoughts and feelings in this moment and the actual like what is happening to him. Yeah, we don't get any of that. For all we know, he's catatonic in there. Right.

I think he does a good job of acting only with his eyes. He literally only has his eyes. But I feel like you are aware that he's like terrified and in pain. Knows what's happening. Yeah, that's this part confuses me a little bit is like did pele know that she was going to become may queen and then would choose christian or i think it's a little bit of convenience of the script yeah i think and i think um i think that was probably the gold yeah right i think he hoped right right that it's sort of like a sword in the stone situation where it's like.

I'll set up the pieces. If she were presented, if she's the true right fit, she will kill Christian, you know? Like that that's what it takes for her to be truly one of them. And sever her ties to her old life. And she does. And she chooses it. And she does. And Christian gets put inside that bear. And we see the other bodies

get carted in there too. And we don't know what happened to Connie. But we see her. I think that is in or it's implied more in the director's cut. There's a scene by a lake in the director's cut. I don't know if you remember where they're like they're like going to throw somebody in the

lake. Oh yes I do remember. It's actually maybe the only scene that happens you remember where they're like think they're like going to throw somebody in the lake oh yes i do remember it's actually it may be the only scene that happens in darkness there's the nightmare and then him sneaking in to take the photo but it's super minimal dark yeah this one quickly this scene happens in darkness yes i think you're right um i think the implication then is that um they drowned connie because she looks really waterlogged when her corpses is brought in. But no, we don't ever see it happen. What happened to Josh?

We saw his leg sticking out of a garden at one point. We forgot to mention that yes, that when Christian is running naked and freaking out, he sees Josh's leg sticking out of the ground. Which just must be part of the ritual i suppose because we saw him get bonked in the head bonked he got a bad bonk

got a really bad bonk yeah that must have killed him that groaning didn't sound like a live groaning so then what do you think that was his whole body buried underground and with just one leg or did they dismember him i can't remember now when we see his body at the end, if it is all together. I don't know. I don't remember what his body looked like at the end. I can't recall. But I feel like, yeah, they've each died from some terrible way. Right.

And they've honored the older people who've died. They have beautiful little headdresses on. Mark has his dunce hat on. Connie's just kind of like, they're all like little headdresses on mark has his dunce hat on connie's just kind of like they're all like little scarecrows yeah i think the old people it's like two uh like art they're almost dolls about them yeah because their faces got smashed and they got yeah they got burned i think they're into ash but there was no face left on them yeah wait so in the director's cut what was the main thing that it's that scene at night time and i

think it involves a bigger fight between danny and christian that just hammers home even more um that they're not right for each other and i yeah that they're not right for each other and and that i think maybe not between them but that it makes it a little clearer that he is interested in Maya. Is that also part of it? Maybe not directly to her, but maybe he's talking to someone else being like, oh, the redhead girl like really likes me. But I think the fight is the main thing where. Yeah. The fight is the main thing where.

Yeah. And I remember reading that Ari Aster was. He said that if you had told me in the beginning that we would end up cutting this scene, I would say, are you insane? That's like the scene. I think it's the it's a scene in which Danny stands up for herself more than. OK. Than ever before. Which is actually unnecessary because yeah that makes the end less powerful yeah i think she she fights back a bit more than um

than usual okay that makes sense wow yeah wow so then they all burn. Yeah. They give the two sacrifices, the willing sacrifices the yew tree and they say, take this. Feel no pain. Feel no fear. Doesn't really work for one of them. Does not work. Which was I talking about this with you or Joel

of like, is it like did it just not work? Or I think the whole point is like, it's so that they don't freak out until it's the point of no return. I don't think it ever works. I think it's about like, be calm before this happens.

Yeah, I think you're right. No one would ever be able to tell them that it didn't work. Right, and every 90 years, the word's not going to be getting around. Exactly. And 90, every 90 years. Yeah. The word's not going to be getting around. Exactly. I bet you're right.

Although Ingmar didn't, it didn't scream. I think it was only the other guy who screamed, but maybe that's because, you know, whatever. It doesn't matter. Maybe he got,

um, it was on unconscious, unconscious from the fumes. That's possible too. So then the whole community starts screaming and crying yes they're sharing once again sharing his pain and this is where danny is wearing her huge so it starts with her before he starts screaming, Danny, I think, is screaming because she's so distraught. I mean, it's pretty intense probably watching your boyfriend be burned alive in a bear suit. Oh my God.

So she's dry heaving and again, has been so used to grieving solo and having, you know, nobody feeling her pain. And then the guy starts screaming and then everyone starts screaming. And now everyone is looking like her in complete agony. And she has that moment of just stopping and noticing that, oh my gosh, like everyone is feeling the same thing. It's such a young um shared experience shared experience so and she has her beautiful perfect final shot of just slowly smiling and it's a very like childlike smile it's a very like i'm having fun kind of smile and then it's the end and that's and that's like roll credits happy music yeah what okay what happens to danny after this what is her life like does she make a

lot of babies with pelle i think she stays for sure i think she definitely stays how do you go back because also she's so miserable in the real world and And so lonely. Yeah. And now she has a new family and a community and like Don't you feel like her and Pele are like making babies? I think. Probably, yeah. And then having other people raise them.

Sounds like a great situation. And then just looming all day. Doing the looms. Yeah, doing the looms. And passing off her May Queen crown next year to someone else. And yeah, since it happens every 90 years, she never has to go through that shit again. She just has to jump off of a cliff when she's 72. She could do it. It's not so bad, huh? Yeah. And you have to watch people jump off a cliff every year. That's kind of hard to. Yeah. And somebody has to be ready with the mallet. Yeah. I don't love that. But and the group

somebody has to be ready with the mallet yeah i don't love that but and the the group seems pretty comfortable with violence in a way they definitely do makes me a little nervous about no violence i trust them i trust them i think it's reserved for specific circumstances it's a 90 every 90 year purge i don't know man I feel like there would be more people questioning it if it wasn't kind of ingrained in another way. Yeah. But, yeah, don't you like, I want a Midsommar 2. Danny's life post all of this. And it's like a rom-com. Danny and Pele rom-com.

It would be really funny to just start making rom-coms Like sequels of horror movies that are rom-coms And that's just what you do Let's do it Our next venture Oh my god I can't believe you guys Are so brave now We're pretty brave

Just the two bravest women in the world I don't want to watch a lot of horror movies though to be clear i would i was happy to watch this i would watch baba duke which i have never seen i don't know if i would watch baba duke i would watch baba duke i would i'd be curious to see that um what else would i watch part of me even though i don't think i could watch it part of me is curious about mandy visually i'm curious it is fucking great what are other ones i don't think i really want to i've watched kind of watched hereditary i don't i don't want to watch hereditary i don't think i really want to watch that either yeah i mean i think hereditary is much scarier i had been planning to watch uh event horizon with some oh that's a real turnaround uh well it was not my plan it was their plan and i was willing it was a birthday and i was willing to go along with it and at the

very last minute they were like or we could watch Scream 2. You're like saying anything else? Say any other movie. Say anything else. I didn't have to because I don't ever want to watch that one either. No thanks. Yeah that's a tough one for sure. Some really

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