Too Scary; Didn't Watch - ALIENS with Haley Joel Osment
Episode Date: November 17, 2021Xenomorphs, androids, and guns with no ammunition - we're recapping Aliens! We are so excited to be joined by Haley Joel Osment (The Kominsky Method, Goliath, knows Toni Collette in real life...) to discuss one of his favorite comfort horror films. Game over, man!Aliens is available to rent for $3.9900:00 - Shoutouts03:23 - Episode starts12:15 - Trivia32:48 - Recap Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to
Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie
recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily, and
I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm
Henley, and I'm also too scared to watch scary
movies. I'm Sammy, and I love
scary movies, so I watch them so
that you don't have to, and I tell you all about them.
Oh, she's so good at it, too.
God. She's so
fucking good at it. That's just become an official part of the intro
is every time Henley has to go,
God, she's good at it.
She's great at it.
She is.
So good.
She is.
What's up with us this week?
OK, well, I don't think I've talked about this yet, but I just wanted to let everyone know that I'm really into a new TV show.
It's really important.
OK. I'm really into a new TV show. It's really important. Okay.
So Tim and I need a really low stakes show to watch when we're putting Silas to bed. So we started watching The Voice and I've never seen it before, but it is honestly so fucking entertaining.
Watching Ariana Grande and John Legend like hang out together.
I mean, genius. Why not? watching Ariana Grande and John Legend like hang out together.
I mean, a genius.
Why not?
I'm really enjoying it.
Right.
Love Kelly Clarkson.
Have never thought about Kelly Clarkson once in my entire life. And now I'm watching her every night on a TV show.
And she's the fucking best.
I love her.
How often is it on?
Is it a weekly show?
Or is it on twice a week? weekly show? It's on twice a week and one of
those nights, it's like an hour and 45 minute show. Damn. That's some bachelor shit. That's
some bachelor shit. It's really so much content. And I just got to say, I'm really enjoying myself.
Wow. Congratulations. Congratulations. That's really, I was about to to say you have talked about this before
On the podcast but it's because you've talked about it to me
Because my thing
Is that I saw Henley last week
In the flesh
So jealous
We went to New York
It was great
I know I've been talking about New York is over
Because I'm really mad that Henley moved there
But maybe now That's mad that Henley moved there.
But maybe now that's a thought.
We all move there is sort of how I'm feeling.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
I'm considering it.
I'm in.
I did.
I truly I text like 10 of my closest friends.
That's a lie.
I four.
I don't know how many close friends do I think I have. I was going to say Jesus.
I said I was like, that's insane.
I literally I think texted four people and I was like, How many close friends do I think I have? I was going to say Jesus, too. I said, I was like, that's insane. I literally, I think, texted four people.
And I was like, so do we want to move to New York?
Because also, you know, I think it's just, it's not fair to LA.
The juxtaposition between New York and LA right now, you know, it's just, we've been
locked in our homes.
And then I went to New York and was like, oh my God, you can walk everywhere.
You can go everywhere.
You can see everything.
I'm in the park.
I'm in a restaurant.
I'm in a bar.
Like, it just felt so good to be in New York.
It feels like that all the time.
No, it doesn't.
You liar.
It never stops feeling like that.
Also, yeah, I'm like, I'm such a baby when it comes to cold,
so I know that I would have a really hard time.
But I'm just floating it that maybe we move to New York at some point.
Also, it's so good to see Henley and sweet Silas,
who is just really freaking cute. A real treat. New York at some point. Also, it's so good to see Henley and sweet Silas who is just really
freaking cute. A real treat.
New York is great. I just have to
say, like, Emily, it's
almost cruel of you to be
just dangling this
in front of my face. Hey, Henley, you moved,
man. You're the one who moved.
It's on you, Hen.
Maybe I'm going to move back. I might need to move back.
I don't know, you guys. What if you move back and we move to New York?
That would be really calm.
That's what you get, Henley.
No, I would be devastated.
I'd be devastated.
Also, I had never been to Brooklyn before, which is crazy.
I'd only been to Manhattan.
And truly being in Brooklyn for a week is what made me think, oh, I could live here.
Like, it changed everything for me.
Brooklyn is great. Who knew it changed everything for me. Brooklyn is great.
Who knew?
Everyone except for me.
And so one thing I did want to say, this is not necessarily New York related, but we did
this while we were in New York.
On our last night there.
Also, it's just like really hard to do New York every single night for six nights.
Like, I felt very physically bad.
But on our last night, we were like, we're
going to do a big dinner with our friends. We went to a steakhouse. It's like a tradition with
Joel and his friends that they do like a big New York dinner when they're there. And you guys know,
I haven't really done red meat for very long in my life. I like just the past few years was like,
I'm going to like eat steak. And so we got this dinner. I got some wagyu
steak which is a thing I've only ever heard
about. Sounds fancy. It's fancy
and it's also like those cows are treated
very nicely so it feels like a nice
way to eat steak. The meat
is so good because the cows, as far as I understand
they're happy. They get like massages.
It's like the best
life for a... I had no
idea. It's the best way to live.
If your goal is to be killed, um, is those cows.
And, and so I was like, and that is their goal.
And that is their ambition.
And I, so I was like, I'll try that.
And, and it was, it was, I took like three bites.
It was so rich.
It was very good, but like intense.
And we were at people at
dinner were like oh we're gonna get the meat sweats today and i was like aha what a funny
joke we're all telling and then i i felt i went to sleep i woke up two hours later and was like
i'm dying like i felt so physically ill in a way that i was like human beings are fucking doomed
like we just spent so much money to be like fancy dinner to then just like,
like I felt my body being like, I can't do this.
I can't do this.
And I like couldn't sleep all.
It was like.
So you got the meat sweats.
I got the meat sweats.
Oh no.
And I just might be like, what are we doing?
What are we doing as humans?
Excess.
Excess.
We're just indulging ourselves before
the end times massaging cows to
then eat a few bites and then feel like
dying like it's like a very crazy
cycle wow anyway
I love New York
I love New York
God I love New York
what's up with you Sammy
well speaking of traveling I just
wanted to do a quick temperature check
uh on your guys's desire to go to london to see abba performance holograms with me
uh 100 degrees is my temperature is the temperature hot if you want to do it
i haven't heard of this this is a thing what? What is this? Yes. Okay. So ABBA recently released a new album after 40 years.
40 years.
I know.
And they recorded a live show in like motion capture.
And so they're building a stadium or like a concert venue that I think just called like
the ABBA venue or something like that in london where it's
specially designed for these holograms and it will be them as they looked in 1979 performing
all of their songs and it's just only in london and i'm i just like have to go and so it would
be nice if you guys also wanted to go because i'll go by myself no i would go but i'd have more fun
if somebody went with me i love the narrative of you going to that by yourself but i also i will
go with you also i want to see the motion capture taping that's i really want to see that there is
absolutely youtube videos of it great you can see it i want to watch every everything that uses
motion capture i want the raw footage it's so funny. You love your Dan Stevens in his beast costume.
It's one of my favorite singular images.
But yeah, I'll go.
When is it supposed to be, Sammy?
It starts next May.
Like 2022?
Yeah.
And they're saying that it will go for a long time.
It's like a residency, like Britney Spears' residency.
By the way, Britney Spears.
Yeah, Britney Spears. Huge news.
By the way, Britney Spears. Hello. Free.
Free. Free of the conservatorship. Hell yeah.
It's a good...
I can't believe it. It's amazing.
I mean, it would have been
really messed up if she'd stayed
in that after all the press. It took fucking
13 years.
Wow. It's a fucking
shit show, but... Really happy for her. Anyways, so
this will be very similar to Britney Spears'
residency in Vegas
in that it'll go on for perhaps
four years or so. Oh, so we got
time. And so we've got time
because they'll never get tired
because it's not them. They'll never get
tired. They could do it forever.
Wow.
Wow. What? I mean, wow mean wow what a time you know great sold okay
okay great this is really exciting um we've got a lot of plans to look forward to a lot um but
before that let's talk about this week's movie which is aliens Came out in 1986, directed by James Cameron,
written by James Cameron,
David Giler,
and Walter Hill,
starring Sigourney Weaver,
Michael Biehn,
Carrie Henn,
Paul Reiser,
Bill Paxton,
Lance Henriksen,
and William Hope.
And it is available to rent for $3.99.
Wow.
Aliens,
the sequel to Alien,
which I like for a sequel, just adding an S.99. Wow. Aliens, the sequel to Alien, which I like for a sequel just adding an S.
Yeah.
Also, for this one, it's like, and guess what?
There's more.
It's correct.
It's the right name for it.
It's the right name.
And we will not just be discussing this alone this week.
We are joined by a guest.
We are so thrilled to have the very
delightful Haley Joel Osment.
Hello!
How's it going?
Nice to see you guys and hear you guys
for everyone listening to the podcast.
Yes, yes. Sorry, you guys don't get
to see us. You just get to listen.
It's a great four square. It's a really good one
today. We have some delightful rooms in the
back. Yeah, it's great.
Fills up the Zoom in a really pleasant way.
Yeah.
I could talk about Britney for two hours, but we can do it.
Yeah, Haley, I mean, feel free.
Two hours.
Contrary to what I said before we started recording.
I mean.
For those listening at home, I'm dog sitting sitting So I have a dog handoff Later today
So that's
That's what's on the schedule next
That's the schedule
So you'll talk about
About Brittany until then
Yeah until the dog
Owner comes
Until the dog leaves
Haley
How are you?
What's up with you?
I'm great
You know
We're all kind of
In this weird limbo
Where like life is
Kind of back
You know
We're doing things
It seems pretty safe
I got my booster and it kicked
my ass for like four days no yeah which is what happened to me with the second dose uh the first
dose did nothing yeah the second one i was just like sick and like shivering weird thoughts awful
weird thoughts yeah just like weird circular things it's at night so you're like you're awake you're asleep
Like this thing happened to me
There's this guitar riff in my mind from a song
And I couldn't place it and it was driving me crazy
And it was an earworm
And then I remembered it was from a Neil Young song
And as soon as I remembered it was Neil Young
I couldn't remember what riff I'd been thinking of
So that's what you can expect from the Dose
I don't want to give the anti-vaxxers any more fuel
Yeah I was going to say You're fueling the anti-vax right now.
A lot of anti-vax listeners.
That's sort of our main base.
Yeah.
Well, not to make you feel bad, but I also got the booster and I had no reaction at all.
So we've got both sides here.
It doesn't seem to have any obvious connection to age or past history.
to have any obvious connection to age or past history.
Like the one thing I did think is that my dad had no reaction and my mom had like my reaction.
My mom and I get sick a lot throughout life and my dad is rarely sick.
So it's like, okay, maybe because of what you've been exposed to
over your entire life, it has some effect over it.
I don't know.
Your immune system in general or something like that.
It's hard to know.
Man, I'm going to do it this week and I have no idea what to expect.
Take a couple days off.
A roll of the dice.
Yeah, I'm going to plan to be sick and hopefully I won't be.
But yeah, it's been like more 50-50 I feel like than I even heard from the second one.
Second one, I feel like most people I knew got some sort of reaction.
But third, yeah, it's like some people are totally fine some people yeah very sick um well glad you're feeling better
thanks and i feel safe enough to go to the philharmonic today so i am feeling like i'm
getting like we've all first got our second round we're like okay we're vaccinated and it's
everything's gonna be fine forever i I had this feeling if we could do
anything and then that
proved to be not true.
But now I'm feeling it again where I'm like, oh my gosh, we're all going to be
boosted in two weeks
and so we can do whatever we want again.
So I am feeling a bit like,
I guess everything's fine again? I don't know.
Looking at those fun color-coded
maps on the New York Times as if I'm an epidemiologist
like, I think it's okay to go to Kansas.
I think I get this.
Safer than Switzerland.
I don't know.
Yes.
I'm pretty sure I understand.
Yeah.
Well, what can we do?
What can we do?
We can watch great movies.
What we can do.
Yeah, exactly.
Wait.
Okay.
So I need to know, Hayleyley how do you feel generally about horror
movies like are you a huge fan do you love them i like them i have a weird relationship with them
because i did one that was a pretty big experience in my life when i was like 10 years old sure which
was a great experience but it had the effect of kind of uh taking the magic out of horror movies
for me it's hard to scare me with
things there's definitely movies that disturb me but to actually get scared is a rare sort of thing
now because i saw how the sausage was made and and contrary to what ronald reagan says it's very
interesting how the sausage is made but it's less scary when you see them putting on the makeup and all that stuff. And also when we were shooting the sixth sense,
when I was 10 years old,
it was like my education in horror movies at home because my dad and I would
just rent all the great horror movies just as research and to see how people do
all those things.
So I was seeing alien and aliens and poltergeist and just all,
all these great horror films just to see how it had been done, you know, through history.
And you were 10 years old when you were watching all of those.
So you're also probably like desensitized really quickly if you're watching Poltergeist at 10 and you're like just like doing it for research.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's the homework that you go home to.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah.
And that's the first time I saw Aliens in the Corman Towers in Philadelphia, you know,
going to a little video rental store on Spring Garden and picking out these VHSes, watching
them on a TV that was now looking back really small and probably terrible to watch this
movie on.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But yeah, this is one of my favorite movies and
for me personally it's it's totally divorced from action or horror this is like a comfort movie to
me which is strange because i've seen it so many times and i love it so much like uh for example
the morning after the 2016 election when everyone was feeling really bad, I put on I was like, well, I'm gonna watch Alien and then Aliens.
And then I'll figure out what to do after that.
Like, this is my go to just this will take up the next five hours and then I'll deal with life.
Yeah, I love this so much.
OK, so we've had a lot of guests on and we've never had a guest who's talked about a horror movie that's been like a comfort horror movie.
I think this is the first time.
And I we need to ask people that in the future if they have like a horror movie that's like a comfort one.
The Shining is one of those, too, where it's like I just I just love watching that movie.
And it's just so distant from its original.
It's like what happens to songs getting repurposed and having like different uses, you know, once they've been around for a long time.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's definitely a good question for people because I feel like people have those.
That's a comfort horror.
Were you also 10 when you saw The Shining?
No.
And I actually, I don't think I ever asked my dad like why some were off limits and some were okay.
Interesting.
I guess because like sci-fi and supernatural aren't real.
And The Shining has a little bit more to do with.
Altercates is different.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The Shining is a little bit too much.
Like, oh, my dad's going to murder me.
Yeah. I guess I can understand.
Yeah.
Actually, that's probably it.
Yeah.
Being like, I'm not going to do that one.
I can also remember when I was, like, 13 or something.
I was staying over at a friend's house.
And we were watching Mulholland Drive. And we's house and we were watching Mulholland Drive and we were
not supposed to be watching Mulholland Drive.
And my friend's dad like caught us watching it and he, you know, turned off the DVD or
whatever we were watching.
He's like, you can't do this.
David Lynch is trying to get inside your head.
And I was like, oh, no.
That's true.
I guess he, maybe he's not trying, but he gets in there.
Yeah.
So, I think that's the, you know, the dividing line between what's okay for kids and not
okay for kids is stuff that, you know, can mess you up psychologically and stuff that's
just, you know, jump scares.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's true.
I will say on that note, Haley, and this isn't your fault.
I don't blame you but um uh the thing that really disturbed me
so much was when you died spoiler alert in uh pay it forward because I watched that at a time
where I was like they don't he doesn't die and I was like what the fuck just happened
when you said when I died it could now be like 20 different things i've been killed
every way you can possibly get killed you know shot stabbed zombified cancer AIDS uh i just did
i was a zombie on what we do in the shadows and that was just way too much fun so because i kept
getting to come back to life yeah they. They're not really dead. Yeah.
Yeah.
Sammy's like favorite show is what we do in the shadows.
I love it.
Yeah.
It's great.
So good.
It's great.
It's great.
Yeah.
It's great.
That just reminds me.
I was on a plane recently to New York and they had the, what we do in the shadows movie listed on the in-flight entertainment.
And I think that the category they listed as a thriller, like in the lid, I was like,
what the fuck?
Like, what are they?
No, it's not.
Anyway.
Wow.
Okay, so this is a movie that you know and love very much.
Oh, yeah.
I don't have to have the Wikipedia page up.
I can't.
You don't need it.
I didn't even have to rewatch this.
Like, yeah, this is.
You've got a memory.
Hell yeah.
So I'm sure somebody has a, if I like missed something glaring, please let me know.
But like, yeah, this is one I could talk about forever.
And hopefully some of the trivia, which is also kind of from memory. But like, yeah, this is one I could, I could talk about forever and hopefully some of the trivia,
which is also kind of from memory,
but yeah,
I,
yeah,
there's so much good trivia about this one because like the same with
alien,
like there's just so much going on at that time on the same lot.
And so a lot of the,
and you know what,
I'm sure we'll get to what we really love about these movies.
Like,
I think we were talking about the thing before we started recording, is
it's real stuff. It's real
sets. It has a real texture.
It's practical. Everybody talks
about that a lot these days and not a lot
of people respond to it
because a movie that feels real,
people's bodies are actually
at risk and they're not just Marvel
superheroes. That's a real movie.
Die Hard is like that. I know. It it's an easy punching bag but it's not it's not
marvel it's that all other action movies are trying to resemble marvel and they should try
and you know resemble other things too a positive example i think mad max fury road was a perfect
combination because computers aren't necessarily the the enemy you can meld great computer work and real
stunts in a really effective way so it's possible i know it's possible it's possible so my favorite
like movies of all time are mission impossible which is weird but it's because they're like
he's fucking doing it and it's so cool absolutely and then they had you know born felt really real
and then that had the effect of James Bond turning from space lasers
and Pierce Brosnan stopping his heart into Daniel Craig actually running on stuff with a guy.
So it's fun to trace those trends of who's paying attention to what in Hollywood.
Yeah, and this movie, I mean, the design of the aliens in this,
like, oh, my boyfriend
Joel has been to the H.R.
Geiger, like, museum.
Oh, wow.
And I've seen some pictures and it just looks so cool.
Like, the, like, bones and the skin, like, I just love it.
And it's, you can't get that same effect if it's not actually, like, three-dimensional
and real.
Yeah, I mean, they ran into that with Alien 3 where they started computer generating it and it just didn't have the same effect i not to get way out in the
weeds but just because dune is in theaters i also wanted to to tip the cat to uh yodoroski's dune
which is a great documentary uh because when uh alejandro yodoroski tried to make dune in the
early 70s he worked with hr g, who designed all these crazy, you know,
designs for the Baron Harkonnen Palace and everything,
which are what they used for Alien
when that movie didn't happen.
Whoa.
Holy shit.
You don't know.
You'll be blown away.
Look at the designs for that Dune in the early 70s
because all those artists went off
and did Alien and Aliens with those
designs and we would not have these movies
had that movie happened.
That's crazy!
Check that movie out. There's a lot of stuff where
all these artists who had come together for that
incredible, but yeah, I could talk for two hours about that
stuff too, but that's
the heritage of all this. You have a dog handoff, Haley.
A dog handoff.
But yeah, that's where all of this comes from.
And all those, you know, the alien is one of the most iconic monsters around.
And it came from designs from then.
So scary.
Scariest alien ever.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's just so upsetting in so many ways.
Yeah.
Ugh.
That's also so cool to think, because like, that's such incredible artistry that went
into making those things.
I'm so glad it got used.
Yeah.
I think that's what they were all thinking.
It's like,
it'd be a shame to let this go to waste.
Yeah.
Like,
are you kidding me?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Dang.
Fabulous.
Do we have any more trivia about this movie or should we?
I got some stats.
It's a,
has a 97% on Rotten Tomatoes,
84 on Metacritic.
That must be fresh.
8.3 on IMDb.
Very high for IMDb. Very high for IMDb.
So high. IMDb is a
real, you never know what you're gonna get.
Well, usually it's like, what is
it? Like 6.2. I feel like all of them are
6.2.
The budget was $18.5
million and it made
$183 million.
It was nominated
for seven Oscars.
Actress, art direction, sound, editing, score, visual effects, and sound editing.
And it won.
Holy shit.
I didn't know that.
Sound editing and visual effects.
Glad it won visual effects.
Then just some random trivia things.
The alien screams are baboon shrieks altered in post.
Which is kind of fun.
Baboons are used so often in horror movies.
They're scary.
They're terrifying.
They're a scary animal.
And then a lot of the trivia I read was just about the animosity on set.
I guess a lot of the crew was very upset that james cameron was coming on and
was like they were very loyal to ridley scott and so interesting he had a lot of problems with
a lot of the people on set that were just like wouldn't i don't what was the one that i wrote
down here it was the assistant director deracknell, who would openly question his James Cameron's decisions, openly antagonistic towards him, calling him Govna and Grizzly Adams because of his beard.
Brutal takedown, Grizzly Adams.
Yikes.
Zing.
Can you imagine being passive aggressive to James Cameron now on set?
It's so funny.
Yeah.
In hindsight, it's like so, so funny to just imagine all these fucking people just being like this fucking guy.
Who's this now?
And it's James Cameron.
He had nothing out in theaters, I guess, was the problem because Terminator wasn't out yet.
Also, I believe I had the timeline right.
writing and shooting Terminator at the same time that he was writing this one without even the promise that Sigourney Weaver would return to do a sequel.
So he did this whole story and they're like,
well, maybe you should make one without her.
And he refused to do it.
He's like, this has to be about Ripley.
It totally depends on.
Thank God.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Seriously, it wouldn't work without it.
Can you imagine?
Also, that's so insane in the trajectory of his life to go from being like a dude who's getting roasted by his AD on set to being like.
And also this year I released Aliens and Terminator.
It's like, OK.
Yeah, it's wild.
Yeah, take that, Derek.
Yeah, I guess back in the day, crews were not hired by production.
They were just the crew at the studio.
So you would come in and just have to deal with the people who were already there.
Also, and I know this is a hot button topic recently, Americans were working 12 hours,
and that was much longer than British crews were unionized to be working.
So they would just walk out in the middle of takes, and you take tea breaks and things like that,
which is not the way that James Cameron was used to working.
Tea breaks?
You gotta have a tea break.
I get it.
I'm sorry, it is tea time.
Apparently the last speech Cameron gave to the crew when they finished was he was like, you know, this has been a struggle.
And the only thing that kept me going is that I'm going to walk out of these gates and you fuckers have to stay here forever.
And now that's how you do it.
That's a good roast.
Oh, wait.
Are we allowed to swear on this podcast?
I'm sorry.
Are we allowed?
Okay.
Yes, we're allowed to swear.
You sure are.
Sorry.
You sure are.
We allow it.
We allow it.
Yeah.
We got that explicit rating.
Nice.
Oh, you earned the E.
We earned the E.
Oh, dang.
I mean, should we watch this trailer? Are we ready?
Let's do it. I'm sorry. That sound design, man, is so good.
I love it.
I love it.
It's so cool that that trailer, nobody says anything.
It's so refreshing.
And back then was a lot of trailers.
It was like Sigourney Weaver's on a spaceship 20 minutes later
oh man
it makes me want to watch it again
I have actually
this is one of the rare scary movies that I have seen
but it's been a really long time
and I had like seeing images
in the trailer I was like oh right oh right
oh right god this movie is so cool
and also in watching it and thinking about the context of Terminator I was like, oh, right, oh, right, oh, right. God, this movie's so cool. And also, in watching it and thinking about the context
of Terminator, I'm like,
oh, that, like, visually, it really,
because I just rewatched Terminator
recently, I was like, oh, maybe it's just honestly
like the color scheme
in Big Guns, where I was like, that's the same.
Oh, totally. And, like, I think it's just
his evolution of, like, Terminator was basically
a low-budget indie, you know,
with a, you know, not a lot of money for what they were doing, and now he had a little bit more money, and it's just, like basically a low budget indie, you know, with a, you know,
not a lot of money for what they were doing.
And now he had a little bit more money is just like a little bit more.
And now he has enough to make five avatars.
So just stay at it.
Everyone wants that.
We all want them.
Yeah.
Oh man.
I just,
uh,
uh,
seeing all how sweaty everyone is and how smoky everything is. Another piece of trivia is that throughout this movie, there's a lot of dry ice and they're using, I think, three different types of dry 10 years ago with Veronica Cartwright, who played Lambert in the first Alien.
And she was saying how the sets are all enclosed.
So it's really hot.
And they just smeared glycerin on your face to make you look sweaty all day.
So people are fainting.
And it's just like it really comes through.
It really comes through it really comes through
sometimes you gotta suffer
to make it work
I didn't realize there were multiple kinds
of dry ice so I just learned that
yeah
even the one they use now like
irritates my eyes it's like ugh
yeah I mean it seems like it's wrong
it's like not a good thing to be
probably breathing in and dealing with, but it does look so cool.
Yeah.
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Wow. Okay. Should we just freaking get into this movie?
Get into it. Let's get into it.
Oh my God. I can't wait.
So we're assuming that everyone knows what we...
I'll do a brief recap of the first Alien.
There's a giant
mining ship with seven crew members
the size of
a city. They
get a rescue
SOS signal from a planet,
an uninhabited planet where a derelict
spaceship has crashed.
They go and investigate the spaceship.
They find a bunch of eggs.
One of the eggs opens up and something that looks like a horseshoe crab explodes out of
the egg and attaches itself to John Hurt's face.
He is in a coma for several days.
They take him back on the ship.
They go back into space.
After a couple of days, he wakes up and seems fine.
Then they're eating dinner one night and he starts choking and an alien that kind of looks like a penis with teeth explodes out of his stomach yeah great sound design i don't maybe that was an
extremely high-pitched baboon that they used for a bad time pitch it up keep pitching it up. Keep pitching it up.
He runs away.
The alien.
We assume it's a he.
He grows to the size of an eight foot tall man within a matter of hours and then proceeds to rip apart everyone on the ship except for Sigourney Weaver, who eventually escapes. Oh, before she escapes, it's revealed that Ian Holm, who they thought was a man like the rest of them,
is an android sent by the
mining company, Weyland-Yutani,
intentionally
to sacrifice their crew to
pick up this alien because they knew it was
there, and they want to take the alien
back for scientific research.
Ripley
discovers this. They kill Ash.
Everyone else dies except for Sigourney Weaver
And her cat, Jinxie
They get on the lifeboat
The escape pod
They blast off from the ship
They self-destruct the ship, thinking the alien is still on the ship
And it is not
It is in the
Escape pod with Ripley
She jettisons the
Alien and kills it, blows it into space.
And then she and Jinxie get into a hibernation chamber, set a course for Earth and go to sleep.
That's the end of the first Alien. Now, Aliens, our movie. Her icy escape pod is floating through
the deep regions of space. The door is cut open.
A robot arm comes through the door.
It sees all the great dry ice in there.
It looks around.
It's all perfectly safe.
It's perfectly safe.
It withdraws.
A bunch of people come in.
They scrape the ice away from Ripley's faceplate
and see that she's sleeping peacefully with her cat, Jinxie.
Ripley wakes up in a medical bay where Paul Reiser, wearing a suit with a cool futuristic collar, comes in and introduces himself as a representative of the Weyland-Yutani Company.
And he has some very upsetting news for her because instead of going to Earth, her ship just drifted off into space until it was luckily picked up by scavengers.
And he has to inform Ripley that it has been
57 years since she
went into hibernation
rough god that would suck
so much yeah yes
it's sad and now that I don't normally like
a lot of deleted scene stuff but there is an important
thing that they cut out of the movie which Sigourney
Weaver was justifiably angry about
because Paul Reiser tells her
her daughter who was a child
when she was when she left earth is now uh grew old and died while she was in space that is so
huge detail to cut out of yeah very important as you'll see later why that would be weighing
heavily on ripley's mind with a certain relationship that happens later in the movie
um so yeah this daughter she remembers as a child, you know, grew old and died.
So, yeah.
There's also a line here
that really made me laugh
where he says,
us finding you
was a one in a thousand chance.
And I was like,
one in a thousand?
No fucking way.
And we did the math.
No, we did the math.
And it's one in a thousand.
And that was like four to two
that we'd find you.
Floating in space? You're pretty lucky. It was about one in a thousand. That was like four to two that we'd find you. Floating in space?
You're pretty lucky.
It was about one in a thousand.
That was like the Bucks odds for the NBA championship that we would find you.
It's about the same.
It's about the same.
I really laughed. So while he's telling her this, Ripley is very upset.
And then she starts getting sick.
And everything slows down.
It starts to get very scary.
She starts freaking out, like seizing.
All the medical staff rush in with syringes trying to sedate her.
Ripley knows what's happening.
She has been implanted with an alien embryo.
And knowing what's about to happen, she says a line that's very disturbing whenever you hear it in any movie.
She's going, kill me, kill me before it explodes out of her.
in any movie. She's going, kill me!
Kill me! Before it explodes out of her. She pulls up her
hospital gown and they see her belly
start to expand out. The alien
is slowly coming through her chest
and then, oh, she wakes up. It was a nightmare.
Luckily,
just a nightmare. We didn't
start the movie killing her in the first
five minutes.
So she's okay. And
back in the actual world, she's
summoned to a boardroom meeting
with the mining company because
she blew up a very
expensive amount of
ore and they have
no record of the alien
because the ship blew up and there's no
video recordings or anything. They just have her word
that she blew up a whole ship
and saved herself.
This reminds me of
a Neil Gorsuch decision in Colorado
where a truck driver abandoned his truck
on the side of the road in a blizzard so he wouldn't
freeze to death. And Neil Gorsuch said,
no, it's your job to stay with the cargo
because cargo is always more important than human
life. Stop it.
Now he's on the Supreme Court. So that's what's
happening here. They're very angry at her
because their lives are...
It's good to be a human.
Good to be alive.
We're good at it. They knew in 1985
that corporations could be evil.
So they
dismiss her. They think she's crazy.
As they walk out of the boardroom, she
has a light bulb. She says, if you
doubt me, just go to LV426, the planetoid where they landed on.
And they go, we already have been.
We sent colonists there years ago.
There's 60 families, men, women, and children living on that planet right now as we speak.
And Ripley is very disturbed by this.
She goes back to her cool little space apartment where I believe she's working as like a mechanic because that's what she was on the original ship.
A little not very important trivia, but I thought it was kind of cool.
Her little tiny lavatory is an actual British Airways lavatory that they bought from the airline.
I thought that was kind of funny.
For those of you who are into set stuff.
She gets a knock at the door.
Paul Reiser is back with a military attache.
Or no, it's the colonel.
It's Gorman.
And what do you know?
They have lost contact with the colonists
on LV-426.
Shocker. And they're very
worried. And now they're starting to think that maybe
Ripley was telling the truth, that something
terrible was out there.
So they ask her to go as a special advisor with a group of colonial Marines to land on the planet and to see if there are any colonists that can be rescued.
Also important for the company is that there's a – oh, they have a giant nuclear reactor that's generating an atmosphere to make it a habitable planet so that they can mine and get more stuff there.
That's why the company actually cares.
So they go and meet all of the Marines, including Bill Paxton in one of the most iconic roles ever.
They are about to get on the ship.
Hang on.
I'm trying to remember the guy who plays Apone.
Shoot.
The guy who plays Apone was an actual sergeant in the military, and he was the first black
man to get field promoted to sergeant during the Vietnam War.
His name's Al Matthews.
Al Matthews.
He passed away in 2018, the same year that Arlie Ermey passed away.
And this is only notable because Full Metal Jacket, which has Arlie Ermey in it, was being filmed at Pinewood at the same time as this movie.
So those two guys were both actual veterans, were there at the same time.
So interesting trivia.
So they're not taking Ripley seriously.
She's not in the military.
And she says, well, I can drive that thing.
And there's a giant exoskeleton, which will be recognizable from Avatar and a lot of other things that James Cameron did.
You know, basically a person with giant robot arms who's able to carry many, you know, much more weight than a human would.
And she goes over, she picks up a big box, handles it expert expertly comes back over to them and says where
do you want it and they go haha okay we'll take you seriously jesus um they they get on the suleiko
they go back into hypersleep and they travel to lv 426 they wake up the marines instantly are
doing pull-ups behind the head pull-ups they super tough. They're a super bonded group of people. Vasquez and Frost are really, you know,
seem like they've been friends since they were children. It's a really tight-knit group of people,
but it's also just another day at work for them. Bill Paxton says,
I hope this isn't just another bug hunt because apparently they've been out killing different sorts of aliens before.
They go to the mess hall where Ripley notices, oh, where Lance Hendrickson, who is the science officer on the mission, they ask him, all the Marines are asking him to do his knife
trick.
And he's like, no, no, no.
They're like, come on, do your knife trick, do your knife trick.
He grabs Bill Paxton's hand, puts it down the table, puts his own hand on top of Bill Paxton's hand, and then does the thing where you rapidly touch the knife tip in between each finger.
I hate it.
Except Bishop does it like faster than is humanly possible.
It's going, Bill Paxton's screaming.
And then he does it and he takes the knife away and everybody cheers.
And then Ripley looks over because Bishop actually cut his finger while he was doing it.
But white milky stuff is coming out of his hand.
In the first movie, when Ian Holm revealed himself to be an alien, he started spewing what looked like milk out of all of his orifices and like was revealed to not be filled with blood.
And Ripley is understandably traumatized by robots because that one tried to kill her in the first movie.
And she gets very
upset and says you didn't tell us there was a synthetic person on this ship and they're like
oh we didn't think we had to like it's normal there's always a synthetic and then paul reiser
goes oh i forgot uh ian holm tried to murder her 60 years ago and lance hendrickson who's very
very kind and peaceful he goes, that would never happen now.
Those ones were always a lot twitchy.
And she pushes him, just goes, just stay away from me, Bishop.
So they hate each other early on.
Have I missed anything yet?
Am I talking too fast?
No, this is great.
No, this is perfect.
Please jump in.
This is very compelling.
perfect honestly i'm this is very compelling this is like this is like when uh uh society collapses we'll just have to be telling these movies around the campfire because we won't have
creating a document and i will be like number one wrapped listener i will just be sitting for all of
the stories so entranced uh so they get into be great. So they get into the drop
ship. They're in orbit
above the alien planet.
And they get into this thing
that looks like
just like an airplane basically, but a little bit
beefier and sturdier.
They get on, they drop
out like they're in free fall
like it's a ride at amusement park
and they're all Bill
Paxton's yelling with exhilaration.
As they're going down, Gorman, who is the, I guess, lieutenant in charge of the mission,
is looking kind of nervous and sweaty.
And Ripley, who's very tough and up for anything, goes, how many of these drops have you done,
lieutenant?
And he goes, 30 or something.
And she goes, how many real drops?
He goes, goes well 28 simulated
two real and she's like oh so we don't have a very experienced leader here all the marines resent him
because they've done a ton of them and then there's a very effective cutaway to michael bean
who plays hicks uh who is a lower rank soldier but he is so chilled out he's napping as they're
dropping through the atmosphere so he's cool as hell yeah yeah and
that's one of those little things that james cameron does you're like nice little moments
you're like i know what you're telling me here please i like this i like this um so they drop
through uh the atmosphere they swoop down and become a plane that flies anybody who's you know
james cameron would hate me not using the actual technical terms but it's what i got uh they are now flying over the surface of the planet and they come into
into view of the gigantic colonist uh complex there's a huge nuclear reactor um it's smoky
it's very spooky the cameras are 80s cameras so all the lights are doing these like creepy
swirly things and like it's kind of hard to see what's going on they come down through all the lights are doing these like creepy swirly things. And like, it's kind of hard to see what's going on.
They come down through all the murk.
They land on the ground and the Marines get out.
They do their thing.
Vasquez has this machine gun that's loaded onto an actual Steadicam arm.
So she can hold this thing.
Oh, it's so cool.
It's so cool.
God, it's cool.
Yeah.
Apparently this was a common theme for James Cameron movies. It was so heavy. God, it's cool. Yeah. Apparently, this was a common theme for James Cameron movies.
It was so heavy that the straps kept buckling.
So he had them duct taped into the rig, which meant they couldn't take bathroom breaks a lot through the day.
Oh, God.
Which is also a frequent complaint on The Abyss.
Oh, yeah.
We did The Abyss.
Oh, yeah?
And man, there were so much trivia.
Those actors hated it. Those actors did not have a good time. Oh, man. No man, there were so much trivia. Those actors hated it.
Those actors did not have a good time.
Oh, man.
No, the actors were not a fan.
Not a fan.
When Ed Harris said he was just driving home from work one day and he just started hysterically
crying and punching the steering wheel, you're like, jeez.
Yeah, he wouldn't talk about it.
Didn't Ed Harris refuse to talk about it for decades?
For a while, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Wild, wild.
So that's what we're getting into on this planet. That's what we're doing. like refused to talk about it for like decades. Yeah. Yeah. Wild. Wild. Um,
so,
so that's what we're getting into on this planet.
So the whole movie,
just know no one can go to the bathroom.
No,
they're uncomfortable.
They're covered in Vaseline and they have to pee.
So,
uh,
so they get there,
they land at the little,
there's like a little space city,
but it's abandoned.
It's very creepy.
There's a bar sign, a neon bar sign that's swinging in space city, but it's abandoned. It's very creepy. There's a bar
sign, a neon bar sign that's swinging in the wind, but nobody's around. The Marines are doing their
checks, their information. They're searching, they're searching. They don't see anything.
They go into the main colonist complex. They going down a creepy little uh passageway with great
floors um a lot of this movie requires looking through multiple levels of of certain buildings
through these grates and while they're building these sets they're like where can we get like a
ton of these grates and at pinewood studios they're like oh there's a huge pile of them like
out you know piled behind the studio and it was the greats from the first
alien seven years ago that they just like thrown like in the trash and we're just still there
the student like oh great we'll use them again and the reuse the uh derelict spacecraft which
looks like half of a donut uh they in a deleted scene you see it again so they needed it and
they're like does anybody know where it is and so i was like yeah it's it's in my driveway like i have it so they went and they got it and and uh brought it back
yeah so they're exploring they uh find a laboratory and in this laboratory there are uh
tubes filled with water and suspended in the tubes are several of the facehuggers from the first movie. So,
clearly the colonists have found
the aliens
and were trying to study them.
They're
looking through the records
and they're searching for any information about
where any of the colonists are because there's no bodies anywhere.
It's just creepy. There's no one around.
And Bill Paxton says another
great line. He goes, quit your grinning and drop your linen, which is an ACDC lyric. So I guess they're listening to ACDC in the year 21, 22.
Yes. There has been no new music.
No, the classics are always the classics. So he has discovered that the colonists who all had GPS tracking devices are all clustered in the nuclear reactor.
So they're probably fine.
They're all just hiding.
Oh, they're dying.
They're safe.
They're safe.
So they're going to go there.
On their way there, they are scared because they hear noise, something scurrying around.
There's a big buildup to a jump scare.
big build up to a jump scare.
And then they see a little girl with tangled ratty hair with a teddy bear or rabbit, I guess, scurrying around.
She's running through the air ducts.
Ripley, you know, haunted by visions of her daughter,
although you wouldn't know that in the original release.
It's so crazy that they removed that.
I know.
We just have to put a point on that.
Why?
And it's like, why?
Like, it wouldn't even take that much time.
I really, I've never read any explanation for it.
Yeah.
Maybe it would make her less of a badass somehow.
But like, I don't know.
Like, it's like, I don't think so.
It's too sad.
They're like, that's just too sad.
Yeah.
Let's not make it too real in this movie.
make it too real in this movie list.
So, Ripley, in a panic or, you know, very
affected by the sight of this girl,
chases her through the air ducts all the way
to basically a nest this girl has built
in the walls of the
facility.
And this girl is nonverbal.
She's clearly very traumatized.
They get her
and they take her back to the lab while the marines split
off and go to investigate where the colonists are um they uh they go to the oh and ripley is
cleaning up newt in the lab and she's not saying anything she's very tenderly cleaning the like
soot off of her face and um what does ripley caller that makes her respond for the first time
rebecca she finds a like a school photo of her and her name is rebecca and yeah she says like
rebecca except my brother
so we get a little humanity right there um so then they're they're keeping track with the marines the
marines go and now meanwhile um they're looking at images of the site and Bill Paxson says, if you like that, you're going to love this.
And we cut to what the Marines have discovered, which is a giant tunnel that has clearly been like slimed over by something alien.
It's a huge power station with these giant car doors, but there's like a hive tunnel descending down into the,
into the reactor.
And they just walk right in there.
Let's go check it out.
Let's get in there.
Come on,
let's get in there.
Come on,
all of us together.
Nobody wait behind.
I watched this.
I watched this with my mom last night.
She kept going like,
why are they,
why are they doing this again?
She's like, why don't they just leave?
Great question.
So many times in movies, you're like, I'll just
leave. I don't need to know.
Let's just go.
Let's get out of here.
But they're Marines, so they go in.
They gotta go.
Oh, one thing that was
introduced on the drop ship I forgot to
mention was a nice little James Cameron drawing your attention to something.
They all have GoPros basically on their helmets.
And one guy's is staticky.
Gorman is watching a bank of basically a Zoom feed with everybody's feed in a grid.
And he goes, Hudson, like, hit your thing.
He goes, there we go and so we know that we
can watch their personal povs each of the marines as they descend down into the into the scary hive
uh it's also notable that two people or one person is carrying a very crazy looking flamethrower
there's two people with the side mounted machine guns everybody else has got um assault rifles
now once they get down there they start seeing uh human artifacts shoes stuff of that sort uh
embedded in the slime in the walls as they go farther and farther down descending the rickety
stairs into the dark and smoky uh power reactor And then Ripley, ever aware of her surroundings, goes,
Lieutenant, aren't they directly under the reactor?
And he goes, yeah.
She goes, well, are they using armor-piercing ammunition?
He goes, yeah.
She's like, well, if they use armor-piercing ammunition
and they hit the reactor, and Paul Reiser goes,
whoa, whoa, whoa, she's right, she's right.
And if they fire their guns in there, they'll hit the reactor and cause Reiser goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, she's right, she's right. And if they fire their guns
in there, they'll hit the reactor and cause
a nuclear explosion that will kill
them all and blow up like a big
section of the planet.
I mean, again, feels like a thing
that absolutely should have been considered.
Yeah, they should have
known that going in. And a great time to just
turn around and be like, okay. Exactly.
And do they do that?
Oh, shoot. Oh, dang.
We should go get different weapons
like samurai swords and then we'll come
back. Yeah, lightsabers.
Those are probably in the same cinematic universe.
Yeah, I think so, yeah.
Star Wars is happening just next door.
You know, Star Wars is next door.
Let's go talk to those guys.
Can we use the force down here?
Does that affect nuclear weapons?
So instead of that, what they do is they say, everybody take all the bullets out of your guns.
And he has the sergeant collect all of their clips so they can't use guns.
They can only use flamethrowers.
They cannot use any projectile weapons
so they continue down
with no bullets
eventually they
start seeing more and more signs of
people and then
somebody's I believe it's
Dietrich her flashlight
finds a woman's face
in the wall like encased
in slime.
She goes, I've got something over here.
They all come over.
They get really close. They pull her up by
her slimy hair and her eyes go
and open up because she's still alive
even though she's basically
pale and gray and looks dead.
She starts moving
around in obvious pain.
They don't know what to do but she starts
saying the familiar line kill me kill me oh shit so uh at that moment uh activity starts happening
in her midsection and then in short order a thing goes and comes out of her chest a blood-covered
alien and in a notable difference from the first film, I think something they wanted to do,
but it didn't happen for some reason.
This alien has clawing spidery arms.
So it's heaving itself out of her body after she has been killed.
They respond appropriately in this situation.
They light everything on fire with the flamethrower.
They scorch the whole wall.
They kill the alien and reduce everything to ash.
Everything is fine for the moment, but then they hear this sound.
It's kind of like, ah, all over the place.
Would you describe it as a baboon pitched down?
It's more like a baboon, like a snoring baboon pitched up, you know?
baboon pitched up, you know?
They hear that and then they start hearing all kinds of activity. Now, in the first movie, there's the famous scene of Tom Skerritt in the ducts with the
motion detector, the little dots that go boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop.
You can see where everything else is in relation to you.
Now, they start seeing many of those dots all coming from all directions
on them, but they don't see anything yet.
They're spinning around. We're looking
through all their POVs. They don't know what's happening.
Jesus.
Then finally someone backs up into
a wall and an alien, because they
look like the slime itself. Everything
looks like the same texture, the metal,
the slime, and then the actual monsters
all blend together, comes out of the wall and lifts this Marine up and, you know, into who knows where.
Everybody freaks out.
They're shooting fire in all directions.
They're shooting fire downwards several stories.
They don't know what they're shooting at.
You can't really see very much except people are getting picked off.
We see on their POV screens, you know you know slowly one by one they're going to static
finally vasquez goes fuck this she didn't give them her bullets she starts shooting in wild range
on the on the apc where they're watching uh gorman who's pouring sweat is going who's shooting who's
shooting you can't shoot you're gonna cause a nuclear explosion everything is going to shit
they're freaking out uh gorman in this in the
command center basically has a panic attack and stops responding and really who doesn't uh be a
cave under pressure is going gorman you got to do something we gotta get them out of there and he's
just shaking and not responding she pushes him out of the chair she gets into the cockpit of this
armored personnel carrier which is basically and i think actually was the thing that tows your airplane out onto the tarmac.
Oh, yeah.
Low profile thing.
She gets it and starts driving from the base to rescue the Marines as they're getting attacked by aliens.
They're actually they're all getting slaughtered.
They start running away.
They're retreating.
Finally, what is it here where michael bean says the famous line where
he goes uh something we are leaving which is a line they reference in the last in prometheus
and the new aliens at some point somebody yells that they're like getting into the car
yeah yeah yeah uh so they get up there i think it's frost and Vasquez and Hicks and Hudson. Ripley is driving
over aliens and
crashing through walls and knocking into stuff.
This is some of the best miniature
work of the era.
Oh, cool. It's just
really great stuff. A lot of the ships in this
are just terrific miniatures. So good that
I think when Fox watched it for the
first time, they were
angry at Gayle Ann Hurd, the producer, because they're like, you used all the budget on sets.
Like, we had a budget for special effects.
She goes, guess what?
That's all special effects.
That's amazing.
Ripley eventually gets the Marines.
They're loading into the APC.
They they're they're loading into the into the APC.
At the last second, somebody makes the mistake of shooting a alien, an alien in the head with a shotgun, which if we remember for the first movie, the eight of these aliens have also blood acid for blood.
Right.
So she blows its head off.
Vasquez, his buddy, is covered in acid.
His face melts and he's killed.
She goes, no, as they pull her into the into the apc now uh then they
have to escape they're driving out they're driving out um they get out of outside of the reactor onto
the dusty plane and michael bean who along with sigourney weaver is kind of the only chill person
in control their emotions goes ripley you strip the clutch where you're not doing anything you're
just grinding gears we're safe like they grind to a halt they get out and they're like this is fucked they call the drop ship which has been uh helpfully waiting at
another location to come and get them um that that pilot who's a badass she has the aviators
the mirrored aviators she gets the call she's like right away she calls for her uh partner she's like
come back onto the ship he's like all right as he runs up onto the gangplank his hand touches something slimy
he goes what's this she's like come on hurry he's like oh well i'm not gonna think about this
must be nothing um they they're uh she gets she's flying she's going to them they see the ship in
the distance coming to them the rescue is going to take them back to the main ship.
In the cockpit, the pilot's like, where are you?
Where are you?
The door opens because I guess they could open doors.
And there's an alien in the ship with her.
It's second.
She tries to draw her pistol.
She's very brave in her final moments.
The two jaws come out and they kill her.
The windshield's covered in blood.
They see the ship as it's coming towards them start to turn a little
bit in a disturbing way and they're like something's wrong something's wrong oh shit they
run for cover their only rescue ship slams into the ground and explodes and covers them with
shrapnel there's a huge explosion and now it's just them stranded on this planet uh and i believe
that's when they say they only check in on these missions
in something like six weeks
or something like that. What?
Well that's irresponsible.
Check in more often.
Not frequent enough. And the last line
of this sequence is Bill Paxson goes well that's
just great man. That's just fucking great
man.
Is that what he said? I should know this
when he says game over man. Yeah it's like in this scene. Game over he says game over.
It's like in this scene.
Game over, man.
Game over.
So sorry to just kind of ramble for a second, but that's all one amazing action sequence.
Like that's the that's amazing.
Continuous thing.
So how is how is Ripley going to get out of this one, though?
How are they going to get out of this?
That's what I need to know.
You got to wonder.
Yeah, because their ship is, there's no one on the ship in orbit.
They're all down there.
That also seems like another oversight, like maybe for a second.
Very much so.
You know?
So they retreat into the, oh, no, there's another iconic line before they go back inside.
Newt, who's been handling this pretty chill.
Oh, yeah.
Newt's seen some shit.
She goes, she taps Ripley on the shoulder.
She goes, we better go inside because they mostly come at night.
Mostly.
Oh, my God.
Poor Newt.
Poor Newt.
Oh, God.
So they barricade themselves inside the colonists' habitat.
They're trying to figure out what to do.
Weld the doors shut to have a little last stand and everything.
Ripley and Newt are exhausted.
They go into the science lab for some goddamn reason.
Where all the facehuggers are?
Yeah, where all the facehuggers are. Here's a nice safe place to lay you down for bed goddamn reason. Where all the facehuggers are? Yeah, where all the facehuggers are.
Here's a nice safe place to lay you down for bed.
Yeah.
Well, I guess Newt does it.
She can't find Newt.
And Newt has curled up under some cabinet or something in that room.
And Ripley goes in and spoons her.
And they're going to take a little nap together.
Oh.
Then they wake up.
And something is wrong.
They see shattered glass on the floor. Oh. Then they wake up and something is wrong. Oh, God.
They see shattered glass on the floor.
And Ripley is looking and the container holding the facehugger has been smashed.
Oh, God damn it.
And she goes, Newt, wake up.
We have to be very quiet now.
They wake up.
They go around.
They are, well, I forget the scene forget this is another great action
sequence that I hate if I butcher it
but the thing is loose in the room
with them so they're kind of trying to be
quiet and they're inching along the wall
they see this thing skittering along the floor
it feels like very Jurassic Park with the raptors
yeah very much like that
this movie is so great of having
big macro scenes with
nuclear explosions and stuff like that but Yeah. And this movie is so great of having big macro scenes with nuclear explosions and stuff like that.
But also just, you know, a monster scene with a, you know, a disembodied hand basically chasing two people around a room.
It's fantastic.
The creature work in this is great.
They do a lot of cool stuff where it looks like it's going to leap at them.
But the way they did it in real life was that they yanked it backwards with a fishing line and then reversed the film.
Like great in-camera tricks.
Yeah, the best kind of movie magic.
So they are trying to get the attention of everybody else in the next room.
But unfortunately, it's soundproof glass.
So Newt and Ripley are banging on the glass and they cut to the other side and it's dead silent.
And the rest of the team is, you know, on the computer in the other room trying to figure out how they're going to escape.
Then you see on their computer screen, there's a feed of them in that room calling for help.
Paul Reiser is looking at it and he looks over and he turns off the screen.
Paul Reiser.
Yeah.
So he has tried to expose them to it oh that little motherfucker yeah so oh i do i do
think that they had already seen so the reactor has a bunch of sparks flying out of the top of
it and they're like not only are we trapped here uh a reaction has been triggered by the gunfire
it's gonna explode it's gonna melt down an explosion is imminent or whatever yeah and
they're like it's gonna happen in like 30 hours or something like that. Goodness.
So they send Bishop to
a different little spot to
remotely navigate a ship of some
kind or something like that. But the part that
stresses me out the most in this movie is
when they cut a hole in this little tiny
metal tube and this
is where Bishop has to like crawl through
to get to the part on the
planet where he, I don't know, where he needs to like send the signal or something the part on the planet where he I don't know where
he needs to like send the signal or something and it is the smallest little tube it reminds me of
the part in the descent it's like so claustrophobic it's literally like I don't even know how he moves
in it it's like the width of his shoulders it's very stressful I got very stressed in that scene
but so he's like yeah looking he's he's on a mission to get another way off the planet for them.
Yeah.
While this is all going on.
Seems necessary.
Yeah.
Luckily, yeah, there's another ship that he can get.
And while he's off getting it, they're in the lab calling for help.
The thing is skittering around the floor.
They're very frightened.
Then Ripley takes a lighter out of her pocket because she's a smoker because it's the 80s
and she goes up to the fire sensor and does a little, flicks her lighter, turns on the
sprinkler systems, triggers the fire alarm.
So now the room is cut, you know, there's water showering down.
The guys in the other room go, oh, it's coming from the med lab. They get over to the med lab they see what's going on the door is locked they can't get
in they're banging on the glass finally somebody throws a chair and smashes the oh no hicks dives
through the glass through it which i feel like is a huge decision for okay i'm just gonna dive
through it he makes them shoot it first. So I guess maybe he
breaks it.
What if he did like when people actually go through class
and just cut themselves. He's like, oh, I'm just
down for the count.
Well, that sucks. Thanks, guys.
You're the bravest, most capable
guy here. Now you
killed yourself.
So they get in.
The
monsters are still attacking them.
One of them, like, with a whipping sound of its tail,
leaps up onto Ripley's face and is, like, held only by a hand away from her.
Its stupid little proboscis is sticking out of its mouth,
like waggling, trying to get down her throat.
You know, Hicks is over there.
They all have hands on it, trying to get it off.
They go, one, two, three.
They pull it off and they shoot it with machine
guns and they kill it.
And they're safe for the moment.
Now they all have Paul Reiser
in a chair and Ripley is
explaining her theory, which sounds very
on point, that once again
the company's actual mission was not to rescue
the colonists.
It was to acquire these
invincible creatures for
weapons research and all that stuff
because it's a giant company.
Honestly, it seems like
you can't fault them for
this is exactly what they did before.
It's sort of like, yeah, I mean,
this is what we always do.
Look, we're just doing the same thing.
Weyland-Yutani, this is what we do.
Don't be surprised.
Kind of our thing.
This alien is fucking crazy
and we need to get it.
So, while they're
trying to decide, oh, and Bill Paxton
is super mad and he's like, let's just shoot this
fucker right now. And they're like, no, no,
we have to take him back to Earth and make him answer for what this company's done.
Then all the lights go out, right?
When they're doing that, there's just red, you know, backup lights in there.
And they're like, oh, do they also know how to cut the power?
Because I think that's what has happened.
I think they did.
I think they do.
I think they do.
They get all their weapons.
They realize it could be a kind of a last stand situation.
They all kind of huddle up.
Everything's welded.
They got the doors shut.
Then they start hearing the beeps.
They see dozens of dots coming towards them from all directions.
It starts getting closer and closer and closer.
This is played for fantastic suspense.
It seems to go on forever.
And then they're like, wait a minute, these dots are inside the room, but there's nothing
inside the room.
They're like, beep, beep, beep, beep.
And he's like, there's nothing wrong with it, man.
Like, it says they're right here.
They're right here.
They're five meters away.
They're three meters away.
They're two meters away.
They're like, what's going on?
What's going on?
And then Michael Biehn, his eyes slowly look up and it's the, whatever they call those drop ceilings in like conference rooms.
He takes the tip of his gun.
He pokes up a little square and he looks up and they're all in the ceiling.
And they all drop out of the ceiling at once.
Everybody's like, fuck.
They start shooting.
There's gunfire.
Everybody's freaking out.
They, as opposed to the first movie, they do score a lot of points against
the aliens. They kill a ton of aliens
in this movie, which is very satisfying
after they totally failed in the first movie
to even land one blow
on that alien.
They're fighting them, but they're running out of bullets.
They're running out of bullets. Paul Reiser,
because his character is a coward.
Paul Reiser, in real life, is not a coward.
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Figured I'd get that in there.
Not a coward.
He runs away into another room,
away from the battle,
and he locks the door,
and he's like, I'll be safe in here.
And then, of course, he turns around,
and here's a...
And there's an alien,
and it kills him,
and he's dead
and how was the pitch of that baboon
that's a D sharp
I think
it may have been harmonized
if all four of us could do it at the same time
yeah
that was it
it's a beautiful symphony of baboons
symphony of baboons
I think that's the show I'm going to see.
Yeah, I think you're going to get a really good performance.
You ever seen a hundred baboons sitting in orchestra chairs?
It's beautiful.
Little tuxedos.
Oh, my God.
The same ones that throw the computer around in those.
Yes, yes, yes.
The stock footage.
Is that what you're talking about?
Yes.
Oh, my God.
Those really make me laugh.
Did anyone ever figure out like what that was from?
Like why someone did that?
I don't know,
but I just,
I used to be an assistant editor at a trailer house and someone needed,
um,
stock footage,
uh,
of things to do with money.
And I don't know if you've seen the clip of the baboon,
like tossing money in the air in a suit.
And I found it and thought it was so funny.
And so I just included it in my poll
as like a little surprise and it really made the editor laugh on it it was just a great memory
that's a really nice memory
so meanwhile back at the death Standoff
They retreat all the way
And try and get into the air ducts
And now oh and Bill
This is Bill Paxton's last stand
He's killing him he's going
You want some you want some
An alien erupts out of the floorboards
Grabs him and pulls him down he goes
It's a great death scene
He earns every minute of his
screen time. He fought valiantly.
He fought valiantly.
R.I.P. Hudson.
So now it's just
Gorman, Vasquez,
Ripley, and
Hicks.
And Newt.
And Newt.
Oh, Newt is the one who's like, come on, come on, there's another way out.
So they're all crawling through the air ducts.
This is, once again, a claustrophobic little thing.
They're being chased by aliens crawling through the air duct.
Ripley and Newt get into this room that has like a spinning water wheel kind of thing going around.
Newt goes in first, but she's smaller than Ripley.
And she gets cycled through and drops into the water below where Ripley can't get to her into like a sewer.
Basically.
I hate water with an alien around.
Yeah.
Green sewage water with something in it.
If you're already being threatened and then you have to enter water,
it's just like,
you're we're not,
we're land creatures.
Like you're fucked.
Yeah.
That's the thing with sharks where it's like, it's rare that there's a shark attack.
But if you were eaten by a shark, it would be the worst.
It would be the worst.
It would be the worst.
It would be the worst.
It would be the worst.
Yeah.
They're so huge.
They're gigantic.
Emily is particularly afraid of sharks.
So she feels this deeply.
Because it's like, yeah, it's probably not going to happen.
But if it did, it'd be the scariest fucking thing you could ever imagine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's no stopping it once it starts.
There's no stopping it once it starts.
If it has begun, it will end and you will not be happy with it.
Stop the ride.
Stop the ride.
I'm on your side.
Oh, my God.
So Ripley can't get down to reach New she's like stay there I'm gonna run around and
try and find another way to get to you Hicks goes with her but this point Vasquez and Gorman have
been cut off from the rest of them they're in a dead end of the air ducting they've hated each
other throughout the entire movie but and oh and and Gorman was very chastened after the first action sequence where he freaked out
and he's wearing a little white bandage on his head with blood on. He's like, Ripley,
I'm really sorry. I was such a coward. And she's like, it's fine. Like, don't worry about it.
But now he's redeemed himself. He's fought bravely. They've got a handgun.
There's a little digital
counter and you see the bullets count down. They're killing aliens. They're killing aliens.
Then they look to their left, there's an alien coming. They look to the right, there's an
alien coming. They have no bullets left. All they have is one grenade. Vasquez or Gorman
takes it out and like arms it and Vasquez grabs it. She's like, you always were an asshole,
Gorman. He's like, I know. And they blow themselves up together and they
kill all the aliens. Oh, that's a really
sweet ending. It's a sweet moment.
It's a sweet end to that
storyline. So
now there's only three left. And one
of them is a child who can't even use a gun.
Useless. Useless.
Yeah, Newt, you can figure out how to use a gun, Newt.
Drop your
stuffed bunny and try and get a free hand. Yeah, Newt. You can figure out how to use a gun, Newt. Drop your stuffed bunny and try and-
Yeah, get rid of it.
Get a free hand.
Yeah, get a free hand.
So Hicks is with Ripley.
They're searching for Newt.
They're running around.
They see Newt in the water through the grate.
And Hicks has a blowtorch and he's sawing the grate apart to try and get to her.
Newt's just waiting in the water and you just know
something's nearby. There's a
lot of suspense. They're sawing
it. They're sawing it. She's like, come on, come on,
come on.
Right as he is about to do it, a
giant alien rises up
out of the water behind Newt and
then it cuts and they pull the grate
open and they're like, Newt, Newt.
And all they see is their bunny rabbit floating in the water.
And Ripley understandably goes, no. And is, you know, very, very upset. And Hicks is like,
come on, come on. She's like, no, no. And he's like, no, we can still get her. We can
still get her. So, they are running down the hallway. They get into the elevator. There's
a great moment where they get in. It's been very fast paced. They hit the button and then they're just waiting.
They look and they hit the button again. Finally, the door slowly starts to go.
That's funny.
Right as the door gets to be like two inches, two alien arms get in and starts pulling it open.
He's like, stand back. Hicks puts a shotgun in its mouth and goes, eat this, and blows its head off.
But acid sprays all over him.
He's wearing body armor.
So, they're trying to get the body armor off before it eats through.
So, he's like, ah, ah.
They're pulling it off.
It's eating his skin.
He's gravely wounded.
A lot of his body is burned.
And now Ripley has to carry him with his arm over her shoulder as they like limp outside
to where Bishop is
Bishop
has gotten the
the second vehicle
and picks them up and Ripley
is like we're not fucking leaving this planet
without getting her and they
all know where she is they take all the humans
back to the
to the reactor
Bishop is like of course all know where she is they take all the humans back to the to the reactor which is probably going to explode
yes and it is there's a countdown
there's a ticking
clock a giant ticking clock
and they
you know everybody's
super you know into the
mission they go out there Hicks
can't go with Ripley they land on this
platform everything's on fire and it's starting to rumble and the whole thing is about to fall apart. And Ripley, who previously had not been, I don't think she'd used a gun for the entire movie. She has not done that yet.
left the flamethrower she gets as much ammo she has she gets a bunch of grenades and flares she gets completely armed for this and she goes hicks don't let bishop leave without me because she
still doesn't trust androids he's like i won't he's lying on the ground he's very very injured
i'm up for it
so ripley goes in and she has uh newt's's GPS device on her because they all have that.
And she's wearing that on her wrist so she can find Newt's location.
She descends down into the same area that the Marines got slaughtered in in the first part of the movie.
Except this time she's alone and everything's on fire and it's all going crazy.
She gets down, she descends, she descends.
There's a deleted scene here where she
finds Paul Reiser
cocooned in the wall and he also
says kill me and I believe she
leaves him a grenade and goes do it yourself
ooh nice
and they hear an explosion
they go down fuck yeah
yeah it's great
badass and she's going down and she's
finding it and she's getting closer and closer.
And then she looks down and it's Newt's watch just lying on the ground.
And she picks it up.
She's crying.
She's very upset.
And then she notices something and kind of walks into.
Oh, wait, no.
We see.
No, here's Newt's.
Yeah.
We see Newt cocooned on the wall somewhere else.
And one of the eggs hatching right next to her.
And so a facehugger is coming for her.
But it hasn't gotten her yet.
Hasn't gotten her yet.
And then she starts screaming and Ripley hears it.
That's what it is.
And so Ripley runs for her.
Thank you.
So yeah, Ripley gets there, shoots the egg, saves Newt, pulls her out of the gross wall, puts her on her hip.
Another trivia thing, because this probably took weeks of shooting, they created a fake doll of Newt because throughout all of this, Ripley is carrying around a nine year old.
Oh, that's so hard to do.
So she's going to have her like mashed into her neck so you can't see it.
It's much but it works much better than the fake baby in American Sniper, in my opinion.
That's the bar.
Yeah, that's the bar.
Yeah, the American Sniper baby bar.
They are walking around.
They're trying to get back up.
And then they walk around the corner and they hear the more baboons than you've heard in all the movies so far.
Oh boy.
And then they hear like a squelching sound.
And I love Sigourney Weaver's performance this whole movie, but this look in particular is just such a perfect like, are you fucking kidding me with this shit?
It's just like it's still happening because you don't
even know you see this giant white larva worm thing go and lay an egg and go and lay another
egg and they pull back and they pull that and ripley looks around there's eggs everywhere
and they pull back and there is the biggest
alien you've ever seen with this giant
like headdress thing armored
headdress an even larger
mouth it's probably 20 feet
tall or something like that and
it's connected like you know
a wasp or an
ant queen it's the alien
queen it's the thing that lays
the eggs and it's got all these arms
stuck to the sides of the wall it's an amazing shot it's really scary um the uh the queen seems
to be able to signal to its drones or soldiers to come in but they're all moving very slow they're
not just attacking like they're in the egg chamber so it's different and they all kind of like slowly are approaching
Ripley and
the queen is like go get her and they're
walking towards her and then Ripley
turns and lights one of the eggs on
fire and the queen goes ahhh and like freaks
out because it's her eggs and
then she does it like
she's going to do to the next egg and the queen's like
alright back off back off back off and the other aliens
go away oh she's going to negotiate the queen next egg. And the queen's like, all right, back off, back off, back off. And the other aliens go away.
Oh, she's going to negotiate.
The queen is going to negotiate.
So the queen starts talking.
And it's Andy Serkis.
No.
He can do anything.
He can do anything.
What can't he do?
So then the queen kind of fucks with her, though.
And like another alien gets too close. And Ripley ripley is like oh you don't fuck with me she lights everything on fire swings the the
flamethrower around in a big circle um everything's like the queen is screaming and is like clawing at
everything ripley is shooting she has this look of you know arnold schwarzenegger like intensity
on her face just killing everything inside.
She's killing the aliens.
She starts throwing grenades and blowing up the room.
She's just going nuts.
And then she makes her escape and is running up the staircase.
Behind her, you see the queen strip itself off of the huge white worm egg laying part of its anatomy.
It's such a gross shot.
The like detaching from the little egg canal.
Oh, and doesn't she, she shoots like grenades into it and it's exploding and yokes are coming
out.
Disgusting.
Disgusting.
So there she's running.
She gets up to the stairs.
She gets to this big oh because first
she had taken this freight elevator like you know a hundred stories into the ground or something
she gets into it she gets in the elevator they go to the top they get out everything is even more
you know girders are falling the whole place looks like it's gonna collapse she gets up there and the
ship is gone they live they look up and she goes, damn you, Bishop. Damn you, Bishop.
Then they see the other
elevator start to come up behind
them and the elevator
comes up, the elevator comes up and the
door opens and there's a pause. It looks like
there's nothing in there. And then the queen, who knows how to use
an elevator, walks out of the platform.
Are you fucking kidding me? You're asking me to use an elevator?
Get out of here, queen.
Queen comes out and they're back, you know, they're on a cliff, basically.
Like, there's nowhere to go.
And Ripley goes, close your eyes, baby.
Like, because they're about to die and they have no ammo.
And then right when the queen's about to kill them, the ship comes down into view with the, you know, gangway.
The gangway, yeah.
My vocabulary is deserting me. Extended. Bishop has a, you know, gangway, the gangway. Yeah, my vocabulary is deserting me.
Extended.
Bishop has a, you know, like, here I am, look on his face.
Ripley sees it.
They jump onto the thing.
They run up onto the ship.
The queen is calling after them and they fly away.
And Bishop was like, the platform was too unstable.
Like, I just figured I'd hover out there because, you know,
I didn't want to fall.
They're flying away.
The counter is getting down 10, 9, 8. They're up, you know, I didn't want to fall. They're flying away. The counter is getting down 10, 9, 8.
They're up, you know, they're getting a mile away.
They're getting two miles away.
You see the, you know, beginnings of an explosion behind them.
It reaches zero.
There's a gigantic thermonuclear explosion that turns everything white.
The ship is hit by a giant shockwave.
They're riding it.
You don't know if they're going to make it.
And then they come out of it and they're safe.
And they're flying back up to the spaceship.
Wow.
They land back on the spaceship. Yeah, that's what everybody
probably said in the theater. It's definitely what I
say every time.
They get back up there. They're in the
loading dock where they first got in the
drop ship and Bishop...
Oh, that's when Bishop is like, you know, the landing
thing was too unstable.
That's why I, you know, scared you by flying away and scared the audience too.
And Sigourney Weaver finally respects him and she goes, Bishop, you did good.
And he's like, thank you.
And this could be the end of the movie, but then they hear a hissing sound and they look
down and there's some acid on the ground eating away into the dock.
And there's some acid on the ground eating away into the dock.
And then Bishop's chest, a giant blade comes through his chest.
He starts squirting milk all over the place.
He's going, ah!
We pull back.
This queen has stowed away on the bottom of their ship and has speared him with her tail, lifts him up into her arms, grabs him and rips him in half like a doll and throws him across the room.
The queen now who towers over Ripley looks to eat Newt and Sigourney Weaver goes, no, over here, over here.
Draws its attention, backs away.
She's like, Newt, run.
Like Newt runs and like hides under the floorboards once again with those grates that were so useful that they found behind the studio.
Sigourney Weaver like disappears.
You're like, what is she doing?
What is she doing?
The queen is clanking all over the ground.
Newt is hiding under the grates.
The queen is using her very human hands to pull up grates and like swoop down and try and grab her like she's a mouse.
And then all of a sudden, the queen hears a noise, looks over, a doorway
opens and Sigourney Weaver comes out in the loader thing from earlier in the movie with
the two giant pinchers which is about the same size as the queen and she goes, get away
from her, you bitch.
They get into hand-to-hand combat, they're fighting, they're fighting, it's great, they're
swooping.
The queen sticks her head in between the bars of the cockpit and the mouth comes out, but it's not long enough to eat Sigourney
Weaver so it's snapping in her face. She's fighting her, she's fighting her. Ripley pushes
a control on the thing to open the door to space basically, which creates a vacuum. Newt's
holding on for dear life. The queen is sucked towards space, but in that little car door,
she like clamps her hands on the side and starts climbing up back into the
ship.
Sigourney Weaver is also pulled in with the whole suit and the suit is
blocking the queen's escape.
But Sigourney Weaver gets out of the cockpit.
She climbs against the pull of,
you know,
the vacuum of space gets on top,
closes the door and blasts the queen into space and
finally yeah finally they're safe and that is truly the end of the danger the last little scene
is bishop who's in like a bag basically and because he was ripped in half but he's still alive
so he's in like an android like medical bag and hicks who's like severely, you know,
he's missing an arm.
He's,
he's eaten by acid.
He's in a hibernation chamber and Newt is put in and Ripley says goodnight.
And then Ripley gets into her hibernation thing and they go into space,
hopefully to be rescued.
Holy shit.
Wow.
Yes.
Yes. Yes.
Five stars.
Do you think that you could just hold on
when there's a door open to space?
Do you think you could just hold on with your arms?
Yes. You know, because they
do it in 2001. Everybody's like, is that
possible? And Stanley Kubrick's like, I looked
and it is. All right. We trust you.
Stanley's like, all I needed was for
one person to tell me yes and i believe it
i looked into it cool cool cool yeah holy shit that was fucking great that was really good
okay so since i've had a child it has really just been made very evident to me how many horror movies are about motherhood.
This one really is.
And about children.
Yeah.
And this one definitely is.
Like, I mean, it's just crazy how often it comes up, actually, in movies.
Yeah.
And it's so effective.
It's sort of the unquestionable justification of of like, I'm going to do whatever it takes.
I'll fucking kill you.
I'll fucking kill you over my kid.
Or like, yeah, it's just, you can't fight against that.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wow.
The most primal of urges.
Not urges.
Instincts.
Instincts.
Instincts.
Yeah, that's the word.
Instincts.
The motherhood urge
to mother.
So y'all know it to be.
Yeah.
Wow.
I also recalled something that I can't remember where he said this,
but there's a quote from Steven Spielberg where he says,
everyone thinks I'm sentimental.
James Cameron is sentimental.
It's true. There's a lot of very
raw, you know,
emotion in these things, you know.
Also, like, why is that?
Is it bad to be sentimental?
I don't think so. I don't think so. Let men
experience their emotions.
Yes!
You both can be sentimental!
Guys, just be sentimental.
Also, guys, you're filmmakers! That's a good thing! That's a good thing. Guys, just keep saying that. I'm telling you guys, you're filmmakers.
That's a good thing.
That's a good thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This makes me really curious about the other ones, too, now.
I want to know.
Beyond Alien and Aliens, I have not seen this thing.
I haven't seen any of the Prometheus.
Well, and I've seen Predator, but I haven't seen.
Because then it becomes Alien versus Predator type but I haven't seen, because then it becomes Alien vs. Predator type situation.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, baby.
Alien vs. Predator, we're getting into a very different direction than these.
For me, I enjoyed a lot of Prometheus and Alien Covenant, but just because I love the first two so much,
I almost have to separate those two pairs as two different series in my
mind.
Cause they get a little bit more into the history of how the aliens came
to be in those other movies.
And there's a part of me that's like,
I don't care.
I don't want to know.
It just works as an unknown thing.
Like it's just something that comes out of space and we don't know where it
came from.
Like there's,
there's just such a tendency with all the
this ip now is like we have to find out you know the most famous being like well how did darth
vader become darth vader how did this become this like where did these people meet each other it's
like i don't i don't care like it's yeah it's good it's good yeah especially we talk about this a lot
with horror that like that is often where horror sort of goes off the rails because the more you
explain something sometimes the less interesting it becomes and the less scary it's sort of
like,
what if we just didn't know?
And that,
and we could just be like,
that's scary in its own right.
But you know,
the more you can explain it,
the more movies you can make.
And the more,
even in like non,
non horror things like that Sopranos episode where they,
I don't know if you guys seen the Sopranos,
but no,
I've seen some of it.
Guys, let's watch it.
There's a famous episode where two characters go take this Russian into the woods to kill
him.
And he gets away.
I've seen that one.
I've seen like the first half of the show, but it's good that I've seen that one.
It's like, and then they never find him.
He escapes and they wound him and they don't know if he's dead.
And the show never answers it.
And fans were like, well, is he dead or is he alive?
And they're like, I don't care.
I'm not going to tell you.
Right, yeah.
You don't know.
That's the tension of that episode.
It's like, exactly.
Sometimes.
Yeah, exactly.
Sometimes in life.
Yeah, exactly.
Sometimes we don't get answers and you just got to deal with it.
It's true.
I mean, it's, oh, when you think of things, it's like with the Kennedy assassination it's like we'll just
never know like there's stuff now
that's just like nope we'll never know for sure
what happened there's a lot of
stuff there's a lot of stuff that we'll just never
know yeah yeah
so people will think they know there are
plenty of people out there who are convinced that they
know I can probably figure it out
I can probably figure it out
we're all doing our own research
you're doing your own research you can figure it out I'll figure look, I could probably figure it out. I could probably figure it out. Well, we're all doing our own research, you know. Seriously, if you're doing
your own research, you can figure it out. I'll figure it out.
I can probably figure it out.
Oh, wow. That was
excellent storytelling, Haley. You really took us
on a journey. Thank you. I hope I didn't just ramble
like, you know, that movie just is like,
oh, I love that movie. It was riveting, and also
there was so much, like, background that was
just woven in seamlessly that we
got. So much, like, perfect trivia that we just woven in seamlessly that we got so much like
perfect trivia that we just never would have known otherwise so awesome yeah excellent in the end
times when it's just this we're calling on you i'll do it hayley tell us a movie
you guys ever seen ratatouille
you guys see the movie called up
well let me know
famously wordless
perfect
I'm there
oh man well that was super
fun yeah that was
great thank you so much for doing it thanks
so much for having me yeah
well famously here we
are very obsessed with Toni Collette
and believe her to be just
undeniably perfect.
We just have to know,
is she? It's true.
Yep. It's true.
And what blows my mind is I think she was
26 when she did The Sixth Sense.
Are you serious? Another movie where
motherhood is very, very, very important
to the story. Yeah.
Whoa.
Doing a great Philly accent.
Decades before Mare of Easttown,
she was doing a great Philly.
Coming from Australia, doing a Philly accent.
Like, yeah.
Her Philly accent was so good.
Also, she's my style
icon in Sixth Sense.
Everything she wears
her like her
nails her like gold jewelry
it's like the orange sweater
lime green like turtleneck
god damn yeah her lip
liner everything everything 26
yeah
and it's so great like and now that she has you know
you know in a different time doing
hereditary and it's like her, her horror record is so amazing.
And Krampus.
And Krampus.
Can't forget about Krampus.
I think we've done, we've covered all of the Tony horrors, right?
I feel like we did.
What was the other one?
Tony Horror Picture Show.
Tony Horror Picture Show.
Picture Show.
Why can't we say, the picture is the word.
The Tony Horror Picture Show. The Tony Horror Picture Show. The Tony Horror Picture Show. Why can't we say the picture is the word. The Tony Horror Picture Show.
The Tony Horror Picture Show.
Thank you.
Oh, Fright Night's
the other one.
Oh, yeah.
Fright Night.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This is great.
This is great news.
Thank you for that.
We love her.
It's great news.
It's great news.
I can confirm.
She is awesome.
For us personally,
it's great news.
Yeah.
Well, and also Haley, I mean, Kaminsky Method on Netflix.
What things do you wish for our listeners to check out?
We got Kaminsky Method, which is available on Netflix.
We have the final season of Goliath, which is available on Amazon Prime.
I did a film earlier this year called Not an Artist with Matt Walsh,
the RZA,
Alexi Pappas,
and many other great people
and improvisers.
Yes, Betsy Sedaro,
who's fantastic.
I heard the episode
she did with you guys,
which is hilarious.
Oh, we fucking love Betsy.
She's the best.
And then just recently,
I did a movie with Alison Brie
and Dave Franco,
which they wrote and he directed called Somebody I Used to Know with Jay Ellis and Kiersey Clemons and a bunch of other great people.
Wait, was this when you went to the Overlook?
I can't believe I forgot to ask you.
Oh, yeah.
That's when I was there.
What was that like?
I mean, it's just crazy because it was only an hour outside of Portland when we were shooting.
I was like, I have a Saturday.
I'm just going to drive and take a couple of photos and walk around a bit.
How is it that close?
Yeah, I thought it was in Colorado or something.
That's where the movie sets it.
But in real life, yeah, it's out there.
It's so crazy.
It's super cool.
And just like, I could go off on Kubrick forever, but the hotel is a rabbit warren.
There's very few big rooms like it's very it
was built in the 30s from uh the works was it a wpa thing it was like a rose a rosabelle thing
interesting yeah very very interesting and inside it's just stone it's like a castle
there's fire pits and everything so the fact that he made you believe that there was something like
the banquet hall and that that was physically possible when it totally isn't.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Yeah.
The giant like there's no way.
Yeah.
It's just it's spatially that movie.
That was the other than just it being cool to be there.
I was like, wow, to see in person just how distorted all the spaces in that in that movie are was just a really, really cool.
Right.
Yeah.
And beautiful.
Mount Hood's beautiful, too.
Well, listeners,
check those things out.
And yeah,
I guess no voices really
in this one. Baboons, though, you guys.
How could you forget?
What are the voices?
We usually sign off with a voice
from the film.
Like an accent if there is one.
Oh, okay.
I don't know how to do the baboon.
It's going to be tough.
It's going to be tough.
It's going to be tough.
Could also just do Hudson's over the top.
Game over, man.
Game over, man.
So from all of us here at Too Scary Didn't Watch,
goodbye.
Game over, man.
Game over, man.
Game over, man.
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