Too Scary; Didn't Watch - CAM

Episode Date: September 11, 2024

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Van Pelt. Find what piques your imagination. Sign up for a free 30-day Audible trial, and your first audiobook is free. Visit audible.ca to sign up. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies.

I'm Sammy and I love watching scary movies and so I watch them so that you don't have to and we've got a good one for you this week, folks. If you want to jump straight to that recap, there are timestamps in show notes because first we have a little bit of haunted housekeeping. I'm going to start looking up horror news again, keeping us up to date on everything that we need to know. Did you guys see that the Night Bitch trailer came out? I did. I didn't watch the trailer. No. Did you guys see that the Night Bitch trailer came out?

I saw. I did. I didn't watch the trailer. I scrolled past many a thing that was trying to show me the trailer, and I said, no, no, no, no, no. Do not show me this trailer. I need to be surprised. I have mixed feelings about it, but... Uh-oh. I think Amy Adams looks great.

I think it looks great. The tone of the trailer is a little like sillier than I would have hoped because I feel like, but I'm trying to not let that cloud my expectations too much. Trailers can be misleading. They might just be trying to make it seem more appeal to a broader audience. Cause it is a pretty specific subject matter for a movie,

a woman who thinks she's turning into a dog, and it's actually kind of dark, and we'll see. We'll see what happens. But the trailer is out for anyone who wants to watch it, Night Bitch. Great. Then this news, I don't know when this came out, but pretty recently that I'm pretty excited to hear is that Mike Flanagan is going to be directing the next Exorcist movie. Oh. Oh.

They recently made an Exorcist movie that everyone really hated and did really, really poorly. And that was supposed to be the first of a new trilogy. I believe it was David Gordon Green that directed it, who also did this with the Halloween franchise. And I think people hated those as well. So, so. Okay, so. So.

A great track record on that front. They pulled the plug on this particular trilogy and they're starting from scratch and bringing in Mike Flanagan who. It's so funny to be like, just kidding. Forget that, forget that, that didn't happen. It's very funny, but honestly, it's the better move than to just be like, I guess we just keep making them bad.

Yeah. No, don't do it. Mike Flanagan, Mike Flanagan, listen, if you're listening to Mike Flanagan, here's some notes. Less monologues, more human to human connection. Less monologues. I like the monologues, at least keep one monologue. There can be one or two monologues.

Yeah, not 10. An episode, I'm giving that toues, at least keep one monologue. There can be one or two monologues. Yeah, not 10. An episode, I'm giving that to you, an episode. Okay, sure, he's making a movie. So that gives you max four monologues per movie, okay? Max. That's a lot of monologues in a movie. You can handle that, Mike. I know.

That's very generous, Mike. You can handle that. That's really generous. Really big of us, Mike. So, do with it what you will. He said it's gonna be the scariest movie he's ever made, which seems like something he'd probably say with any movie, but hopefully it's true. Huge statement to make before it's happened at all.

Yeah, true. But that's all the horror news I have for us today. Great. Did anything scary happen to you guys this week? All I can think is it's so hot. It's just so hot. And that's scary. And that's all I've got. It's so hot. And I'm melting. That you know, Emily, that's mine as well. It's so hot. It's so hot. It's 102 degrees right now in Los Angeles is 103. It's been hotter.

Yesterday. I also recently cut out coffee because of some stomach issues I'm having. And so I'm just so tired. I've just been sleeping, I've napping every single day, napping two hours plus, because I just can't be bothered to do anything. I have no energy for anything.

And the heat, we were talking about this today, it's also just like existentially scary, even if it's like a heat wave is a normal thing that has always happened in Los Angeles. But there's always part of your brain that's just like, this isn't right. But yeah, is this normal? Well, and it's like, you know, people are like losing power and that's really freaky. Cause oh my God, it's, that's bad and it's so hot. And yeah, and what's gonna happen. And it's hard to stay optimistic when you're so hot. Yeah, it's a scary, scary time.

I hope everybody is a bit of a scary time. Staying cool out there, staying hydrated. We wish you all the best. We wish you the best. We wish us the best. It's just hot. Summer is tough. And it's also like, this always happens in LA

where we get our biggest heat waves in like September, October, and everybody else is like, it's fall. And it's so hot here. And that is also sad. It's sad. I want it to be fall. I would love there to ever have been a fall in Los Angeles. It's simply-

There has never been a fucking fall in Los Angeles. Are you kidding me? That's what I mean. I would love there to have ever been one. There has never been one. Exactly. It goes from summer to winter and no spring either, back to summer. 100%. I remember when I moved to Los Angeles, I've probably told you guys this before, but I'd only ever visited in the winter. I moved in like late September and all the palm trees

were full dead, full palm trees, dead palm trees, just dirt. Full dead. Full dead palm trees lying in the highways and just dirt on the ground, no grass, no green to be seen. And I moved there, moved and also my neighbor had a pit bull who he let just poop wherever he wanted to at any location around the front of our house. Or like right next to our house. So there was also dog poop and flies, like absolutely everywhere plus dirt and like dead palm trees.

And I was like, oh no. Oh no. Oh no. Oh no, this is like deeply not what I was expecting. It's not a great welcome. It's a terrible welcome. Yeah, it's tough. And you know, we chose to live here. It's beautiful a lot of the time.

It's not always like that. It's not always like this. There's a lot to love about LA, but hard to lot of the time. It's not always like that. It's not always like this. There's a lot to love about LA, but... Hard to think of it now. Hard to think of it now. We'll keep you posted. Maybe later we'll say something nice later in the year.

And Leigh, anything scary happened to you this week? So just two nights ago, Tim had to do a work thing. So he was on a call and I was putting Silas and May to bed by myself. And May is a full on crawler now and also a real explorer. And I left her alone in the bathroom for like, maybe 30 seconds. And this is in the chaos of like post-dinner, pre-bath, trying to get Silas Wrangled, trying to get their like bottles, their pacifiers, their PJs, like everything in place by myself. I like come back into the bathroom,

May's been in there for not even 30 seconds. She opened the bottom drawer fully, took it out, took it out completely out of the cabinet, it's gone. She took out the DayQuil, full DayQuil bottle. Oh my God. She, this is a, you know. Secured top, yeah, like a child safe, child proof. Full child proof top.

She's opened it fully. Oh, she's so smart. Fully opened it. She's so smart. She's so smart. She's so smart. She has dumped the whole thing, the whole thing. There is not a drop of Dayquil left in the bottle.

Oh my God. Liquid or pills? Liquid, liquid. Oh boy. All over the bath mat, all into her diaper, all over her entire outfit, in her hair, in her hair. May I? Yeah.

And I just walk in and I'm like, why does it smell like Vicks VapoRub? Like why, what does this smell? I look, I see my child. And then you see the vase completely orange. She's like covered in blue liquid. It's like in her hair, like gel. Oh, so that's NyQuil.

No, no, it's, it is, it is the, it's the Dayquil that is the Vicks VapoRub. It's the one that soothes your lungs. Oh my gosh, she probably felt all like minty and crazy. I pick her up immediately. I'm covered in Dayquil immediately after this. Her diaper is squishing with Dayquil. Oh my God. Just squish, squish, squish.

How big was this freaking bottle? She poured the whole fucking thing out. It was like a big fucking thing of Dayquil that had been used like twice. So I'm like, oh my God. So I'm like taking off my clothes. I'm naked. Then May's naked. I'm like putting everything in the wash. And then Sass goes to me, he goes, I have to tell daddy what happened. I have to tell daddy.

Narc. No, I was like, no daddy's working. No, you cannot tell. And he goes, I'm gonna tell daddy. I'm gonna tell daddy. And I was like, no, don't. I'm like naked holding May. And he's opening up the door to our bedroom where Tim is like on a Zoom call with a bunch of people. Oh my God, and so you can't come in there because you're naked.

I'm fully naked. So I can't stop him. So Sal just runs into the room and he's like, daddy! May made a huge mess, May made a huge mess. Oh my God. Just like screaming at fully interrupting Tim's work thing. And I can't even go in there after him. Is Tim's work thing an exorcism?

You know, I didn't want to talk about, I didn't want to talk about Zoom exorcisms at this point in the podcast, but yeah, he was doing a zoom exorcism. Yeah. It's easier that way. Yeah. It's more convenient. Anyway, long story short, we cleaned it all up. It was totally fine. She didn't actually consume any of the DayQuil. I was very worried about that, but she's, she wouldn't have liked how it tastes. So I wasn't too worried about that. She didn't have any of it and she's fine. Everyone's fine. Everyone was just covered in DayQuil

and I need to baby proof everything, everything. Absolutely everything needs to be baby proofed. I mean, I was gonna say, yeah, they tried to baby proof that DayQuil, that didn't work. No, I've baby proofed also everything I thought I could baby proof, but the drawers need to be secured in a better way than they are secured right now.

So. Man, that's a lot. It's fine. Just makes me think of, you remember in like kind of the beginning of Zoom calls, or maybe this feels like it was even before COVID, but I guess it would have been the beginning of COVID. But remember that guy on the news that his toddler ran in

and then his wife ran in and it just went viral. Everybody laughed and laughed and laughed. I think it was the beginning of COVID, yeah. Of course. I can't think of anything else except that when I'm imagining a child running in on a Zoom call. So at least him wasn't live on CNN. That would have been so fun too.

That would have been worse. But yeah, very funny. Everybody loves it. That would have been great. Everybody loves it when a kid runs into a zoo. Yeah, they do. There's no way not to love it. It's very funny.

It's very funny. Yeah. Squishy Dayquil diapers. Funny thing in my mind. Imagine a diaper just filled with Dayquil diapers, funny thing in my mind. Imagine a diaper just filled with Dayquil. Yeah, I just now I'm just thinking about being like covered head to toe and like Vicks that that like physical feeling of Vicks on you like I don't like it. I wouldn't like it in my diaper. That's for sure. Our whole bathroom still smells like it like it's still powerful scent.

Yeah. What's something you guys would wanna have a bath in? Like chocolate syrup or? No. No. I really like a rose scent. There being this rose Epsom salts I've been buying. Yeah, I would do one of those like milk baths for sure. No. You would not say that.

No, you wouldn't say that after having milk spurt out of your boobs. Yeah, I mean, that's not the kind of milk I'm talking about. What about like spaghetti? I don't want to fill a bathtub with my own breast milk and then get into it. That's not what I was saying.

What about what, Sammy? Spaghetti. I wouldn't want that, no. Not even just for fun? Actually, actually. Cause like you can have a milk bath, that's a thing you can do. Okay, so that doesn't count.

Well, you can have a mud bath. So that's what I'm like, what about one just for fun? Okay, spaghetti could be kind of fun, I'll give you that. It's like a good texture. Yeah. It'd be silly. That silly spaghetti. It'd be so silly. Okay, I would also do like,

what's a fun food to take a bath in? Mashed potatoes. I feel like I would feel oppressive. For some reason, spaghetti seems like- More air in there. Exactly more, yeah, exactly. More wiggly. More wiggle room. Yeah, potatoes, I feel like it's like,

I would be worried I would start turning into cement. Maybe stuck. You know? Yeah. Too gluey. Jell-o, pudding. Sure, sure. Popcorn.

Popcorn's interesting. Now popcorn! Man, that's interesting, because now we're talking kind of like a ball pit. To me that's not a bath, that's a ball pit and it's popcorn. Anything dry is a ball pit. Anything wet is a bath. And spaghetti sort of bridges that gap. You love a hybrid.

A spaghetti is a bridge between a bath and a ball pit is a big, big tank of spaghetti. It's spaghetti for me, folks. Okay. Okay. I'm trying to think of anything else. I would take a big bath of peas. Ooh. Like hot slippery peas.

Warm peas or cold peas. Both. Either one. But then you guys would really know I'm not a princess because I wouldn't be in so much physical pain. You know, if I were a princess, I wouldn't be able to stand it. So.

That's the new wee spot. You go between hot slippery peas and then cold frozen blueberries and that's your way of just fully. Frozen blueberry bath would be nice. Yeah, that's fun. Okay, great. Great.

Glad we settled that. Should we talk about this week's movie now? Sure. There's some baths in it. Okay. Baths? Regular baths with water, boring. Ew.

No, I love a bath. We don't wanna ruin a bath. We never wanna ruin a bath. That is true. We won't ruin the bath. We don't want to ruin a bath. We never want to ruin a bath. That is true. Okay, we won't ruin the bath. Please don't. This week's movie is Cam, came out in 2018, directed by Daniel Goldhaber, written by Issa Mazzei,

starring Madeline Brewer, Patch Dara, and Melora Walters. It is streaming on Netflix. Emily, you, out of my three choices that I presented to cover this week, said, I've been curious about Cam. When did you first hear about Cam? Great question. I don't even recall. I think it's come up as an option for me to maybe

watch when I maybe thought I would watch one, but I thought that does sound actually too scary for me. But so it like keeps sort of coming across my radar. Maybe because is it short? Is it 90 minutes? 90 minute movie. I think that's why I think I searched 90 minute horror whenever I have to watch a movie. And so it's come up for me, but I thought it looked too scary. It has a great poster so that it might have caught your eye because of the poster. Yeah, the poster is great. Currently your background is a pink room, which you know I love.

Yeah, it's a lot of pink in it. And I like this actress. I think she's very good. And it just seems like an interesting little premise. And Henley, do you know anything about it? Not a thing. She's coming in. Cold.

Fresh. Coming in cold. Also the other ones that you presented looked nasty. Yeah, it was. One was pretty bloody and I don't know, the other one. Yes, it was. They look nasty. The brood and excision.

Oh yeah, one was Cronenberg, yeah. And the other one was really bloody. So I was like, well not those obviously. And I'll never have to hear about them, of course. Yeah, totally. You're safe forever. Wait, what made you wanna choose this one? What made you even, what were those choices

that you? I was kind of in the 90 minute. I won't lie. It was also a 90 minute night for me. And so those are all 90 minute horror movies. And I was just browsing what is streaming. I didn't want to rent anything. And so I went through Netflix and HBO, all the streamers and You've heard of them. You've heard of them. You know what they are. Cam's on Netflix, so it seemed easy. I had been curious about it for a while as well.

It has a 93% on Rotten Tomatoes. 71 on Metacritic and a 5.9 on IMDB. What is going on? Crashing down, down, down. Wow. 71 on Metacritic and a 5.9 on IMDB. So just kind of- What is going on? Crashing down, down, down. Okay. This is interesting. Are we going to map the division of our country based off of IMDB, Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes?

Is it possible? Okay. Which metric do you think is which group of the American populace? I feel like Rotten Tomatoes are the incels. You can cut it out if you need to. which group of the American populace? I feel like Rotten Tomatoes are the incels. You can cut it out if you need to. Cut it out if you need to. If you need to. If you need to, only if you need to.

Otherwise, leave it in. If you need to cut it out, you can cut it out. But otherwise Rotten Tomatoes are the incels. I don't actually know. Metacritic is the liberal Hollywood elite. I was gonna say that Metacritic is, yeah, Hollywood elite. Wait, no. Okay, so maybe IMDB is the incels. I can't tell.

What do you think? Some one of them is the incels. What do you think, Sammy? IMDB might be the incels. Okay, great I am DB might be the incels. Okay, I'm DB might be the great. We have an audio clip. Now we can pitch her audio clip against my audio clip. We can't. We're going to cut out the whole part.

Yeah. That you talked about incels and it's only it's going to start with saying being like, I think I'm DB's to insults. And it would be completely out of the blue, completely out of context, everyone turns against her. That reminds me of a fuck Mary kill that I meant to send you guys because it actually broke my brain. It was the first fuck Mary kill I've ever been presented with, and I was like, it can't be it.

So I was like, I can't do it. Oh, okay, yes, here it is. Tell us. It's. Tell us. It's so funny. It's a picture of these three actors hanging out and the actors are Jimmy Fallon, John Hammond, Bradley Cooper. Oh, that is hard.

It cannot be answered. I feel like I'd kill Bradley Cooper. That's my first instinct. Isn't that interesting? But then do you fuck Jimmy Fallon? Exactly, then you're listed with John Hamm and Jimmy Fallon. Or do you marry Jimmy Fallon? Oof, yeah, this is tough.

It's the hardest one I've ever, ever been presented with. There's such bad options. I think, I think. I'm telling you. It's tough. Who would you want to marry? Emily, I think. I'm telling you. It's tough. Who would you want to marry? Emily, I would think it would be easier for you because you like Jon Hamm.

I don't like any of these guys. Yeah, but I would fuck Jon Hamm and then what do I do, kill myself? Yeah, exactly. You don't want to marry Jon Hamm. There's no party that wants to marry him. I don't want to marry Jon Hamm. I don't want to be anywhere near Bradley Cooper

or Jimmy Fallon in any capacity. So what do I do? When presented with this real life option, what do I do? Okay, okay, okay. Maybe instead of, usually you want to start with who would I marry? But instead of that, it's impossible.

So who would I want to fuck? Yeah. Well, John Hamm. It has to be John Hamm. Yeah, that's the only option is John Hamm. So okay, so John Hamm is who you fuck. But then who do you marry, Bradley Cooper or Jimmy Fallon? Here's what I think it is.

What were you going to say? I would say I would marry Jimmy Fallon. See, I was going to go opposite. I would say I'm going to say I think I marry Bradley Cooper and just enjoy his money. Well, Jimmy Fallon also has a lot of money. Oh, but he's so annoying. I know, but he would probably laugh at all your jokes. Ugh, but I wouldn't want to hear it.

Oh my God, yeah. Okay. Oh my God, that's like almost worse. I was kind of leaning on Jimmy Fallon too, cause I feel like he seems like sweet at times, but imagining him laughing at all my jokes, he's dead. I'm killing him. No, I think you gotta kill him. Okay, okay, wait, wait, wait, jokes, he's dead, I'm killing him. I'm killing him.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I think you gotta kill him. Okay, imagine the psyche of this insecure man and imagine spending the rest of your life with him. Either Bradley Cooper, who has been an ingenue and like the leading man in certain places, imagine his psyche versus Jimmy Fallon,

who's like been so seen and like has already had that need filled over and over and over again. That need is never filled, Henley. You're right, maybe you're right, but. Don't forget, let me add in. See, here's what's hard because Bradley Cooper made, what was that fucking movie? Maestro. All of them.

He made all of them. So there's that, there's Maestro on one hand, which is like, ugh. And then on the other hand though, Jimmy Fallon is really good friends with Justin Timberlake. Ugh. Oh, I forgot about that. Oh no.

I forgot. It's impossible. It is an impossible question. I've never been confronted with such a difficult. I guess you're just gonna lean into the, maybe it's a loveless marriage. This, the- Absolutely.

That's the only option. I started from a place of it's a loveless marriage. I feel like sometimes when I'm answering the question, I'm like, ooh, someone I can marry and live a life with. Right. Of course, of course. No, this isn't that- This isn't gonna be that- This isn't that kind of question.

No. I think it's, I think I marry Bradley Cooper because I think it'd be easier in your day to day to placate him. He comes to you with a big idea like Meister and you go like, wow, Bradley, that sounds really good. Go work on that. Okay, and here's-

Bradley, yes, you're so smart. Here's the other part of it is that Bradley is gonna be traveling a lot for work. Oh my God, yes, Jimmy's in one space. He is full-time. You're gonna be. This is why you have to put your brains together if you're ever working on this.

Jimmy's gonna be coming home every night. Bradley's gonna be gone for months at a time. So yeah, we're marrying Bradley. We're marrying Bradley. I like killing Jimmy. Okay, now that we. But what if Bradley isn't cast anything? Who has the deeper need, Jimmy or Bradley,

and not being cast in anything? I still think it's Jimmy. I think Bradley's bigger need is like winning an Oscar. Like I think he's. And like being adored. And I think it'd be easier to pretend you adore him. Jimmy would bother you too much. Jimmy would bother me too much.

God, guys, you're probably right. Is what I too much. Jimmy would bother me too much. That's what I'm saying. That's so interesting. That is so interesting. And which one of them is the incels? Honestly, all of them. I really have to noodle on it. I think that-

We're gonna have lost 90% of our audience from this first 10 minutes of this episode. We're at 26 minutes. Oh, thank God. Thank God. We lost him already. Um, Cam. Cam, Cam, Cam.

Cam, Cam, Cam. Tell us about it. The budget, $1 million. It's a Netflix movie, so no box office numbers in existence. This director and some of the team also made the movie How to Blow Up a Pipeline, which I believe was last year. Love that movie. Melora Walters, who's in this, plays Claudia in Magnolia.

Just love when she pops up in things. She was also in Pen 15. Love her. Oh yeah, man, she's great. I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know I know was to create a film where an audience would empathize with a sex worker and the two films she looked at most when conceptualizing what she wanted were Whiplash and Black Swan. Whoa. Both of those movies have protagonists who are obsessive and ambitious about what they're doing, who throw themselves into their art,

just like Bradley Cooper. Okay. Right, right. And the writer also talked about how they had Madeline Brewer decide how naked she would be throughout the film, which is kind of interesting. That's the main actress? Yes. She's from Handmaid's Tale.

I think you'd probably recognize her. It's like that's either really cool or really bad. I know, I was like, I'm not sure. Was this pre-intimacy coordinators or? Hey, you decide. Yeah, you tell us. If you make the wrong decision, you're fired. But if you make the right decision, we love you.

How we handled nudity was interesting. We had a nudity writer in the contract for legal reasons, but it was up to Maddie on set how naked she wanted to be in each scene. She was able to engage with the character in such a deep way where she could say, today I think Alice is more nude than written, or on other days, Alice is less nude than written.

I don't like it only because it creates a false power structure. Yeah. It pretends she has all the power when in fact, Yeah, it feels like it doesn't actually protect her. I think the weird thing about it for me is it's making this sound like, yeah, I mean, it is,

they're saying like each day she would decide a new, like I can see how they would wanna bring her in on a conversation and like go through the script, like at a meeting and be like, how are you feeling about this and here? And like, and then decide that all beforehand. I don't like any kind of like day of decisions about level of nudity just doesn't seem great. Well, because imagine that, I mean,

you're like the actress in the middle of the room surrounded by a crew who is probably mostly male, and you have to say to this entire room, I'm gonna be two thirds of the way naked today. It's not just you and the actor. It's like you and a whole room of people. So that's hard. But I mean, maybe she felt very empowered

and in charge of that. I wouldn't like being put in the position of making those calls on a day-to-day basis, were it me. Yeah, I think she had a good time on this movie. I hope she had a good time on this movie. I hope so. And that it was a good crew, and nice that they could have this level of trust,

but yeah, it does seem a little like, questionable in the wrong hands. It could go awry. Yeah, it does seem a little like, questionable. Yeah. In the wrong hands, it could go awry. Could go awry, but it seems like it didn't and I'm happy about that. And that's great. And prior to filming, the director, Daniel Goldhaber,

actually performed on a cam website to better understand the main character. He made several attempts, but couldn't entice anyone to actually pay him. But gotta applaud the effort, I suppose. Do that research. Yeah, that's great. And I think we should watch the trailer at the end.

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from this very pink room. Everything has this like very neon-y lighting and we can see the chat window next to the live stream where everyone is commenting, oh, you look so beautiful today. And you can see that people are paying tokens. In the chat, it'll be like, so-and-so just paid 50 tokens. And so that's how she's making money is people paying her tokens.

Someone says like 50 tokens for you to spank yourself. And so she's reading the chat in real time and responding to it and spanking herself. And it has that kind of eighth grade type editing. I mean, I'm sure other movies have been edited this way as well. But when it's like kind of close ups on text and social media, I guess like the social network probably have this too, but it's just that kind of fast-paced, over-stimulating noises, jingles of the coins. She just adds to the vibe. She seems to know her audience well. she talks to a lot of them by name, by their username. So there's someone named Tinker Boy, she refers to him as Tink.

There's someone named, I can't remember, but they just all have like those types of usernames and it's clear that she knows who they are and is used to them coming to her room and is interacting with them in a way that is earning her money. So she at one point brings out three separate vibrators of varying sizes. One is small, one is medium, and one is large. And she's basically like 10 tokens for a small one, 20 tokens for medium, 50 tokens for the big guy. And she's like, you guys vote. And so you just hear the like ch-chings, ch-chings in the chat as people are chipping in money for the thing that they're voting for. And she's seemingly like tallying up the votes.

And then someone in the chat that doesn't have a specific username, it's like new user three, seven, five, four, whatever says how much for you to use a knife. Oh my God. No. And she sees that and ignores it, but we see her face kind of register it. And then he starts paying more money.

It's like a hundred tokens and like, don't ignore me. How much to use a knife. And she, I think blocks him, cause you can block them. And so she kicks him out of the room, and very quickly he just comes back under a new username, and is again being like, I wanna see you bleed, I want you to use a knife, being very scary. And the other people in the chat are coming to her defense,

and someone's saying, Lola, coming to her defense and someone saying, you know, Lola, if you sidebar with me, I can help you ban him like through his IP address so that he can't create another thing. So they're trying to help her, but she's like, you know what, it's fine. Whatever if you want to be here, whatever. And another thing that's happening is on this cam girl site, there are rankings and she's, she starts at number 59 or something or 64. And throughout this, she's climbing a bit. And she's very excited to get to the top 50. And so within reach and she's seeing herself climb one space at a time and she pulls out

a big knife and she says, is this what you want? She has this chest of little tools and things and pulls out this big knife and the person says yes and she's starts holding it to her throat. She's like, you want me to, is this what you want? Is this what turns you on? And he's saying yes. And she's like, so I'll fucking do it. I'll do it if you want me to do it. Okay. We're like, what the fuck? Other people in the chat are like, what's going on? What's happening? And she splits her throat. What?

Blood goes everywhere. What? And then, yeah, she slumps down. And then after a minute or so, comes back and takes a prosthetic thing off of her throat and smiles and says, gotcha, and we cut to black, get the main title, Cam.

Fun, so fun. Cool, yes. So, now we're in her room. After the livestream has ended. She's cleaning up, there's fake blood everywhere, and she gets a call, an invitation to have a private chat with Tinker Boy, and she answers it.

He, we see is just this middle-aged white guy, and she is really excited to be talking to him. She says, Tink, that went so well, you did great. And so they had pre-planned this stunt, obviously, since she had prosthetics and stuff ready. And she says something like, you know, I'm telling you, people are wanting this crazy shit these days. This is what gets you numbers.

Oh, also like through her slitting her throat, she got up to number 53. So she's real, real close now to the top 50. And her and Tink are feeling excited. Like we're going to be in the top 50 this week. It's going to happen. I can feel it. And he's very excited for her. And she's carrying the laptop carrying her laptop around with her in her apartment now chatting with him. But we see that she's charging him. Like this is still through the cam girl website. And so he's paying to be speaking to her right now.

And he like suggests that maybe she take a bath to relax and she's like, okay, yes, that sounds great. Baths are great. Oh, God. She pours herself, pours, runs herself a bath. Yes, pours a bath. She pours herself a bath of spaghetti. As she's about to slip into the bath,

And as she's about to slip into the bath, she gets another private chat request from Barnacle Bob. This was the other guy I was trying to remember his name. Barnacle Bob. Spongebob Scarborough. Hot. Who she calls Barney. And I think we've seen through the first live session that Barnacle Bob or Barney is a very big tipper. And we see her eyes in this moment.

Notice that he's wanting to have a private chat and just prioritizing that. And she very quickly makes an excuse with Tink, says, oh, you know what, I actually have to go, I forgot to have this thing I have to do. And he seems bummed, but he's like, okay, talk later, bye. And she answers the call from Barney now and another middle-aged white guy. He is also paying. I think she charges him more for this chat, but he now gets to watch her take a bath.

We cut away. The next day, she's at her mom's salon. Her mom is a hairdresser, and her brother is also in the salon. They're catching up. It's her brother's birthday next week. He's turning 17. She's in her early 20s, I presume. Her mom's just walking around the shop and she gets a moment with her brother. Her brother's name is Jordan. Her real name, by the way, is Alice, not Lola, but Lola is what she goes by with all of her audience.

And she shows Jordan the clip of her slitting her own throat. She's like, check this out, isn't this crazy? And she's not naked in it, but it's also like a pretty intimate thing to show your brother, I'd say. Yeah. But he's supportive, it seems, and says, well, this is so crazy. But then he gives her a look, like,

when are you going to tell mom? It's just, I don't know, but does she have to? Does she have to? Never. And she says when my rankings are better, like I wanna get higher up in the rankings first, which is also just something that I'm like, I don't think that that would be my main reason

for not telling my mom, which I'm not saying as like to be ashamed of it or anything, but just wouldn't be the thing that I would think would matter to me in telling my mom. So maybe as a way to prove it's like, you know, I'm good at this lucrative for her. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. And it does seem to be lucrative for her. In this scene, we see her like buying herself a nice fancy couch.

And there's comments made about how her apartment is so nice and her mom thinks she works in web development. And so she is working up to telling her. After the salon, she goes to the grocery store and she runs into a friend from her past, maybe high school, named Katie who is working at the grocery store. Katie seems really embarrassed that she's working at the grocery store. I think Alice makes a comment like, oh, I didn't know you work here.

Not in a judgmental way, but she just seems surprised. Katie's like, oh, yeah, yeah, but tries to change the subject really quickly. And it's like, what have you been up to? You look so good. And Alice tells her that it's, she's shopping for her brother's birthday party, which is next week, and then says, you should come.

Oh, God. Which is again, kind of a thing that I don't think that I would do if I ran into someone I hadn't seen since high school. Come to my brother's 17th birthday party. Is the vibe that they used to be like very close friends? No. Okay.

Sure. Okay. It's a little confusing to me, but at this moment, Alice sees Tank in the store with them. And they make eye contact, he runs out, she gets very flustered and ends the conversation and leaves as well. But I think kind of with like, okay, see you at my brother's 17th birthday party next week. She goes back home and now she is video chatting with one of her fellow cam girls named Fox. They are just trying to plan some shows or figure out ways. they're strategizing on how to climb these charts. Like maybe we do a joint show,

maybe we do a control show, a lot of words that I don't understand because I am unfamiliar with the cam girl world, but you know, I get what they're, you get the general sense of what they're trying to do. They're trying to up the ante a bit because they wanna climb those ranks. Get more viewers.

Get more views. And as she's talking to Fox, she's getting missed calls from Tink. He's calling her kind of over and over and she keeps ignoring his call. Her ranking has gone back down to 55 because it's constantly changing. I mean, there's always somebody live streaming and so she's, you know, size and it's like, what do I have to do to keep my ranking? Do I have to be on 24-7 lamenting about the hustle needed in

this industry of it just being like nonstop and like all the competition and she mentions that the woman at number one, Baby is her username, just see, makes it look so easy. She's so effortlessly stays number one. She doesn't even know her guy's names really. And Fox says something like, oh yeah, she's like on another level. And Alice says, that's the level I need to be on. So Alice is ambitious and wanting to be number one. And

a name like baby is hard to be like babies hard to beat. But Lola's pretty good. It's pretty good, but I mean, it's not Baby. It's not Baby. And Fox suggests something like doing a live show, I think. And Alice says her rules are, she says, no, I don't do live shows. My rules are no public shows. I don't tell my guys that I love them

and I don't fake orgasms. Getting some rules. Never gonna break those rules. Never. And so, but they are trying to talk about how to like plan a joint webcam show together. And I guess they mentioned like another girl that has a webcam house.

I'm gonna sound so stupid with all of this. I'm so unfamiliar with this world, you guys. I'm sorry, but you know how there were like TikTok houses where people would all like go and do TikToks? It's the same thing. There's a girl that has like a cam girl house where it's all the rooms are decorated in different ways so people can come and make content in this big house.

And so they're like, okay, maybe we can go do that. And they mentioned something called the Vibratron. And they're like, we can do a show with Vibratron. Fox says, I'm not going on the Vibratron. That shit destroys your clit. Whoa. And Alice says, I'm not going on the Vibratron. That shit destroys your clit. Whoa. And Alice says, I'll do it. You don't have to worry about it.

You just like, will run the show with me. Okay, great. It sounds like a lot of fun. Don't love the sound of that. Yeah, so we have maybe a show coming up in the future that'll get us some more views. Alice gets a private message from Barney at some point that he's coming to her part of town.

He asks if he can come over and she's like, I'll meet you somewhere. But that's just an element of this as well that she does seem to meet up with these guys in real life. Only a select few, but that that's not completely off the table, but her boundary does seem to be like, you can't come to my house, which I think is great. That's a good boundary. She gets ready for her next live stream.

She's doing the kind of dinner date themed thing where she has candles and a steak and wine. People are, again, in the chat paying her to, they say, she's struggling to cut the steak and they say, just bite it. We want to see you just bite it. Then she uses the fork and stabs it and bites it. Then they're like, use your hands. They're liking it when she uses her hands. And this is making her go up in the rankings, and she finally hits 50, and she... She calls her mom immediately.

Yeah, mom. Mommy, mommy. I have some huge news. She has this little button that makes confetti come out in her room. She's been looking forward to this moment for so long. She's saying, thank you so much. You guys helped me get here.

We're in the top 50. Just at this moment, she immediately drops back down to 51, but she's not like... You can see that she's a little bummed by it, but she's still celebrating because she did hit top 50 and that has not happened before. It's still worth celebrating. I like that, yeah. Even if it was quick. But then someone I think in the chat mentions another cam girl named Princess and they're saying something about Princess. She pulls up another laptop and she pulls up Princess's room to see what's going on in there,

what are people chatting about, what's all this fuss about Princess? And Princess is saying she will strip if Lola gets pushed down 10 rankings. So she's actively sabotaging Princess. That's so mean. So mean. And she's saying, you know,

she's not going down far enough. And so we're seeing a bunch of people leave Lola's room in an effort to get Princess to strip. Obviously Lola is very upset by this. She ends her live stream and she calls Fox again and is like, okay, we've got to do the Vibratron. It's time. I'm so scared of the Vibratron.

I know. I think the Vibratron is the worst, the scariest part of the movie. Also, every time you say she calls Fox, I can't help but think Fox News. I can't help but think her talking to, like, we gotta get up there. Megan, we have to do something." We gotta do Vipertron, Megyn Kelly. So...

Does she know Princess or not? Yes, and Princess is actually the one that owns this cam girl house. Oh. But again, this is kind of like... I think there are a few things that are kind of under explored in this movie. What? So just don't worry about that. Okay. Yeah, but this is her house. Okay. And she gets a call on her personal cell phone from Tink and doesn't recognize the number,

but answers it and it's Tink. And she says, why are you calling this number? And he says that she gave it to her and she said, I gave it to you for emergencies, which I feel a little like, I don't know if we should be giving our personal number even for emergencies. Yeah. But I don't know. I don't know. I'm unfamiliar with this world.

So I won't, I won't say, but, uh, he tells her that he got a job in the area. Cause she says like, did I see you at the store the other day? And he says, yeah, sorry, like I just, I got a job in the area. I'd love to see you. And she kind of brushes him off in this moment because they're arriving at this cam girl house. They've got to do their duo show. The house is really cool. All the rooms are decorated and lit with various neon lightings. There's like green rooms where they're doing karaoke. The cinematography is very cool.

It just feels like a sexy party house. Fun. Where ladies are making money. Princess walks up to them. Obviously some tension between them. Alice says, you know, it's very low of you to pull that shit, trying to get me down in the rankings.

Princess is unapologetic, you know, I'm just doing what I gotta do. And she says, oh, I hear you're doing the Vibratron tonight, Lola. She's like, you know, I have a friend who lost all sensation from that. Oh my God. This vibratron is really scary.

Yeah, I don't like this at all. Not a good idea. She says you're probably gonna have to fake it. You're gonna break one of your rules tonight because this vibratron is so horrible that you could not possibly have an orgasm from it. In fact, quite the opposite. It'll take all sensation away from your vagina.

What the fuck? So don't love that. And yeah, the like build up to this Vibrotron is pretty stressful. So it's happening. The live show we see Lola get on the Vibrotron. Oh boy. Well, and I'm picturing like a mechanical bowl.

Is that? It's like a seat. Yeah, it's like a small mechanical bowl. It's just the seat of the bowl, essentially. So she's just on a seat. And we don't get like a big close-up of it or anything, I don't think, but yeah, she's just sitting on a seat that vibrates.

And the control show element of it is that the people in the chat Control when it vibrates so they have to pay tokens to set it to different settings like 50 Tokens gets like 10 seconds on a high setting or whatever. There's all different controls to it. So basically they are controlling the intensity and duration of the vibrations. I'm really uncomfortable. It's really unpleasant to watch only because we know she is in pain

and she is trying to disguise this as pleasure and kind of moaning and like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, I hate that. To the point where Fox News, Fox News is making Kelly, stuffs a pair of underwear in her mouth. And so she's like gritting her teeth and just trying to put on a show and hide that this is not fun at all. But during this, she makes it to 47 in the rankings and they have a little moment of like, 47,

oh my God, we're at number 47. And then she has an orgasm, hard to say if she's faking it or not, kind of unclear, I thought. Oh my God. Cut away. Fuck, fuck. Let's have some more realistic portrayals

of female pleasure. Why are they always depicted within a horror film in this way? I hate it. I mean, it's not trying to make it seem like she's experiencing pleasure. No, I know, I know. I guess I'm not really witnessing any of the films that are doing the opposite of what this film is doing. So I'm only exposed to films like this, which are making

it seem like it's so bad. Yeah, it's not great. Anyway, great. But next morning, she's trying to log into her account and it says access denied. The password, she types it in again, access denied. Looks confused, what the fuck? She can't log into her account. She goes to the website and sees Lola, her username, is live and she clicks on it and it's a video of her splashing in a pool doing her regular show. She calls customer service. First, she gets really scared because she's in her bedroom

and her room that she broadcasts from is a different room in the house. She very nervously approaches the room, but we can't hear anything happening inside of it, but we can hear it happening on the computer. But she's thinking somebody is in her house maybe, and so she opens the door and nobody's in there. And so then she calls customer service and says, I can't get into my account. I think you guys are playing old videos of mine or something. There seems to be some sort of glitch happening. The guy on customer service says, no, we don't have the capability of doing that. That's not happening. She gives him her username and stuff and access code and he pulls up the account and

she asks him, is it live right now? And he says, yeah, it seems that way. She says, okay, well, that's not me. I don't understand. And he says, the visual ID matches what we have on file. Like that matches the ID that we have on file. And to be fair, it is a pretty unusual situation. So she's like, he's not getting it. And he's like, I don't know what you want me to do. Like that's the person that we have on file that's live right now. And she's like, well, that's, I'm the person

and that's not me that's doing that. And he's kind of just like, okay, well, I don't know what you want me to do because that is you according to the driver's license that I have on file for the person with that room. Which by the way, I have to say, we love this real human being in this situation, but more and more, it will just be AI who's answering her question. Well, I mean, there's an argument to be made that maybe it's AI, because this is kind of an AI-y type movie, ultimately. Yeah, so maybe it's just AI. This guy could be AI too.

Possibly. So, she's kind of trying to figure out what the fuck to do. She logs in as another like creates another just random username, logs in and starts typing in the chat saying, Hey guys, this is actually Lola. I don't know what's going on. But they seem like they're replaying old videos of mine. I don't. This isn't real. And she immediately gets banned from the room and kicked out. And we see the Lola to reading the text and typing something before she gets banned. And so it would seem that Lola to is actually reacting to the chat in real time. She takes it to show her friends, she goes back to

that cam girl house and a couple of the other girls are looking at it with her and she creates a username called Mr. Teapot and logs in and the other girls are saying, you know, oh, that's so weird, must be some sort of mistake, so bizarre. And she says, no, you know, oh, that's so weird. Must be some sort of mistake. So bizarre. And she says, no, like it's live. It's responding live. She says, look, I'll say something. And she tips 50 tokens or whatever and says, say orange. And Lola too reads it and like looks confused, but she's like, okay, hi teapot, orange, orange.

Wait, so it is her. Yes, I mean, it looks exactly like her, yes. Okay. And so they all think it's very weird. Princess walks in, and this is Princess's house, remember, and Alice yells at Princess, like, what did you do? I came here and now this is happening, like, what's going on? And Fox says, like, what are you implying? You think that you logged in and she, like, stole your account and now has a replica of you doing this.

So we're all confused about what's happening here. And yes, it is crazy. Nobody can figure out what's going on. But these other girls aren't super helpful about it. And they're like, so weird. Okay, bye. Seems a little strange. Hey, I'm Jake Johnson, host of the podcast.

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It's obviously not a good time. Her mom is seeing this and thinking is that her boyfriend? What's going on? He's like much older than her, right? He's not that much older. I mean, yeah, I guess he's older, but he doesn't look like- The mom wouldn't be concerned. It wouldn't be horrifying, yeah. Okay. But still, Alice is trying to push him out. What are you doing here? You can't be like horrifying, yeah. Okay. But still, Alice is trying to push him out.

What are you doing here? You can't be here. And he's saying, like, you're not answering my calls. I don't know what to do. Like, I want to see you. I miss you. And she shoves him away and is like, I don't want to talk to you right now. Like, leave me alone. Something's going on. I've got to go.

Runs back to her house, and she's tuning in to the live stream again. Lola is live. She's now coming live from a library. Her thing is like she's showing, like flashing her boobs in the library and it's like very naughty and secretive and oh my God. And Alice is just watching this like powerless and upset. And then we cut to some teenage boys

watching it on their cell phone. And this is now Jordan's birthday party. These are Jordan's friends watching their friend's sister's channel. And Alice shows up with the birthday cake and they all start laughing and she doesn't know what's going on. But she's like, you guys are being weird.

Like, whatever, doesn't think twice about it. Goes and says happy birthday to her brother, her high school friend Katie is there for some reason. And I think Katie is just there to have a kind of contrast of being embarrassed about a job at a grocery store versus being embarrassed about a job as a cam girl, just like the various kinds of shame people have about certain careers that, you know, for whatever reason. And so, but it was a weird thing in the plot because I like kept thinking Katie was going to be there for a reason. She's not really. So, Alice is in the living room,

getting the laying the cake out and getting that all ready to go and talking to Katie. When Jordan and his friends bust in the room having a fist fight, Jordan is like punching his friend, trying to get the phone away from him. We obviously know what's happening, but everyone else is like, what the fuck is going on? Alice's mom is in the room and the phone flies out of their hands onto the floor. Alice's mom is in the room and the phone flies out of their hands onto the floor. Alice's mom picks it up and sees a video of Lola too, like masturbating in a library. Not great. We can hear the audio of it, the moans and stuff. Alice is mortified trying to grab it, like turn that off. We just see this like stare between them

where her mom is like registering what's happening. And she says something like, I was gonna tell you, but I didn't know the right time. And this is in front of like all of his brother's friends and like some looks like some family friends, like a room full of people that are all just in shock. And so Alice just looks super, super embarrassed and just storms out.

She goes back to her house, turns on the livestream again, and is just crying as she's watching this other Lola. This is awful. And she just doesn't know what the fuck to do. Yes. This is so sad. She buys a bunch of tokens and starts tipping Lola to and saying, hit yourself, hit yourself. Lola is spanking herself and then she's saying,

you know, harder, do it harder, and eventually makes her flog herself with a, like a whip. But it just seems like Alice is just very angry and trying to like take it out on this Lola too. And Lola too is just like making it out on this Lola 2 and Lola 2 is just like making it sexy and it's not looking like it's giving her the relief maybe she thought it would. And at some point Lola 2 goes into her little trunk, her little suitcase thing with all of her toys and pulls out, well it's like she's hiding something, but

she's like, Ooh, I just found something. Just found something pretty special. And this like looks like Alice's room that she records. Yes. Yes. But it's not because Alice is in her room that she records it. Yeah. And so Lola too has something that she's hiding and then she says, do you guys wanna see? You guys wanna see what it is? It's a gun. Oh. Oh God. And we're feeling stressed about that.

Alice is looking stressed and Lola is saying, tip 50 tokens, I'll lick it. Tip 100 tokens, I'll lick it. Tip 100 tokens, I'll load it. And keeps just upping the ante until she's loading the gun and puts it in her mouth and shoots herself through the head. Blood like explodes everywhere. What? Alice starts sobbing.

It's just so like weird what the fuck is going on? And then once again, Lola gets up and is laughing, saying... So fun. So funny, oh my God. And then... Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, Lola, That's her catchphrase. At this point, Alice calls the police.

The police come to her house. She's trying to explain, look, this is someone pretending to be me taking my identity. Police are obviously extremely unhelpful. They're barely paying attention to her. There are other calls coming through their walkie talkies and they're, you know, seeming like, oh, we should go do this other thing. And they're just looking at this website of cam girls

and they're like, so what is happening? Like that's not you. And she's like, no, it's live. And they're like, mm, okay. Again, don't offer anything helpful, but it is, you know, a pretty strange situation. One of them kind of hits on her. It's very uncomfortable.

He's like, do you ever meet up with the guys in real life? And she says, yeah, sometimes. And he's like, do you ever, you know... What if they're cops? Hook up with them, yeah, that's the implication. And so, cops aren't gonna be. Emily's so upset. Cops are not gonna be helpful.

And there's now, we learned that Lola to, and Baby, who is number one on the charts. Oh boy. Because throughout all of this, Lola has been rising in the ranks and she's now in top 20. And so she's caught the attention of Baby. And so now Baby and Lola are gonna do a joint show. And Alice is now like, I need to find baby because I need to like talk to her and tell her this can't happen, that this isn't real and this isn't me and what the fuck is going

on. And so she remembers that Barney, Barnacle Bob is coming to town and he's the big spender in the chats. And so she knows that he is that way in all of the, maybe not all the chats, but she knows that he knows Baby and maybe we'll have some information. So she goes to meet up with him at a restaurant and she kind of coyly says, you know, so you know Baby baby, right? Like, I'm nervous about my show with her. She's like such a big deal.

And he makes some sort of derogatory statement like, oh, yeah, right. I see right through it. Like the biggest thing that's ever happened or it was winning prom queen. And she says something like baby is going to be driving out here. I just thought she would be taking a private jet or something. She's just trying to get information out of him. And he says she's driving from Georgia. I don't know where they are, but basically she's just getting more information about how to track down baby. And this just made me laugh.

As they're having this conversation, the waiter comes to take their order and Barney orders a big boy burrito bowl, no sour cream, no cheese, and no beans. So just like meat and rice. And the waiter goes, no beans. And he says, no beans. Big boy.

Big boy burrito bowl. No sour cream, no cheese, no beans. And he says, no beans. Big boy. Big boy burrito bowl. No sour cream, no cheese, no beans, no beans. Really got me. So they're kind of talking about baby and Barney brings up a photo. He says, yeah, I went and visited her once and we found this. And he pulls up a photo of baby and Barney in front of a store called Barney's Hardware. It's his name and they were making a joke about it. But now Alice has a couple points of data information to possibly figure out who the real baby is so she can get in contact with her. And she excuses herself to go to the bathroom. And as she does, Lola too goes live. And we see Barney's phone also get this notification Lola is now live. He looks confused because obviously he's with Lola. He's with Alice, who is Lola. He gets up and follows her to the bathroom. What the fuck is going on?

She's looking nervous. How is she going to explain this to him? He's banging on the door. I don't know what he thinks is going on. He thinks she's scamming him in some way. I'm not sure how, but he seems very angry at this happening and she's trying to diffuse the situation like, it's not what you think, it's not what you think. He's not giving her any opportunity to explain. The waiter sees some commotion happening and like comes to the bathroom to make sure everything's okay. He's like, what's going on in here?

There's yelling. And Barney grabs Alice and almost puts her in a headlock, but in a way that makes it look like she's hunched over. And he's like, oh, my wife can't handle her liquor. I'm so sorry, this is so embarrassing. And Alice specifically did not order any liquor. But again, this is something that I felt was a little undercooked.

The waiter doesn't really respond, but Alice is able to elbow him and run to her car and get away. But just a scary moment of a big guy putting you in a fucking headlock at a restaurant because he thinks that you're somehow scamming him into taking money from him. And yeah, just a pretty tense moment. We see that she does have a Taser in her car, but she doesn't need to use it at this moment because he doesn't chase after her. She's able to go back to her house.

And we get a research montage. She's now using the things she learned that Baby is from Georgia, that she was prom queen, and that she lives near something called Barney's Hardware. And she uses these data points to triangulate the location. Okay. Or she like finds all the photos of prom queens from that area, which wouldn't be a thing available on the internet. I don't think. No.

But she finds her and her name is Hannah Darren. This is the real baby. And she died six months ago. Oh no. Whoa. Car accident. Oh no. And at this moment, the stream goes live of Lola and baby

and we see them together. Whoa. We know that they are both fake versions of real people. Okay, interesting. Interesting. They are at Alice's mom's house for some reason. And I don't understand how or why, but that's what we're seeing in the video.

Alice is looking panics. They're holding up photos of her brother to the camera, being like, this is my little brother, isn't he cute? Real invasion of privacy here. But, you know, what can she do? She goes to her mom's house, but she doesn't make it there during the live stream. And there's nobody there.

I mean, her mom and her brother are there, but no baby or Lola, obviously, because they're apparently not real, is what we're maybe learning. So now she's has the first kind of sit down with her mom since her mom found out about her career as a cam girl. Her mom tells her, I think you're actually really good. She says, what? She's like, I watched some of it, you're really good.

I don't know how I feel about this either. Oh my God. Really good. So good. Alice says, that's not me and tries to pull up Lola, but it's not live right now. And she's like, no, no, that's not me. And her mom says, I get it. You have like a persona, you know, Lola,

it's not Alice, it's Lola. And she's like, no, no, but Lola, that Lola is not me. And- I'm bad at it. Again, nobody's really understanding. And so she leaves her mom's house and goes back to her house to do another little research montage. And she sees she goes to see who everyone who baby has done

a live show with in the past six months. Smart. Because she died six months ago. And so everyone that she has done shows with has probably also been in the same situation that she is currently in. And they're all online currently. And she's clicking around their profiles

and all of their top friends are Tinker Boy. No, Tinker Boy. No, don't betray us this way. So she goes to Tinker's, she calls him Tinker sometimes, Tink Tinker. She finds him at his hotel that he's staying at. I think he told her where he was staying because he wants to see her. And she, you know, I'll be honest with you. I kind of don't really know what her game plan is

in this moment. Sure. Because I would think if it were me, I would be afraid of Tink now. And I would think he was potentially killing cam girls because they are... Well, this, at least one of them is dead. And their likeness is being used to still make money.

100%. And so, at the very least, I would be suspicious of Tink. And I think that she is, but she also enters a motel room with him by herself without telling anybody what's going on. Not to victim blame, just saying, just not a decision that I would make probably. Not the wisest, not the wisest. And she's kind of playing dumb to try to get information from him.

And again, in a way that I'm not, I don't totally understand. And she shows him, I think, like, this is live, this isn't me. And he's like, who would do this? Who would do this to you? I want, we're, it's going to be some like low life. We're going to find them. And so it seems like under the guise of he wants to help her now, and I don't know if she's buying it or not,

but that's kind of the narrative she seems to be going with as well as like, yeah, you can help me get to the bottom of this. Cause one way or another, I think she knows that he'll, he knows something and maybe she can get some information from him. She falls asleep in his motel room. No, amazing. Really crazy.

Not to victim blame, but no. But don't do that. Give me some of what you're having. I'm curious what you're taking. And she wakes up to the sounds of Tink violently masturbating in the bathroom, walks in and he is jerking it to Lola too. And Alice walks in like what the fuck?

He turns around like he's been caught and he says, I was investigating. Okay. Really funny. She tases him. Whoa. He's crying and she says, what the fuck is going on? I know you know something.

I know baby's not real. I know you're top friends with like all these other people that baby has interacted with, which can't be real or whatever. And he says something very vague. Like he says, I think it's replicating based on all the footage of you that exists. I think it can replicate you. And she's like, what can replicate me? And he says, I don't know, but whatever it is, it just takes your footage and recreates you.

And I've been in enough of these rooms now to know who it's gonna choose, which, what? This third act, I'll say, I don't feel satisfied by it. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, but the truth that the movie is trying to relay to us, the audience is that Tink is not the big bad,

but he is familiar, he is aware that something is going on, but isn't really doing anything to help or stop it. But seems like, I don't know, he's just aware of it, but doesn't give us really any meaningful explanation of what it is. She's accusing him of it being him. He says, No, it's not me. I love you. I wouldn't do that. So she goes back into the bathroom where he was jerking off to Lola, who is still on the private chat. And so she is able to talk to Lola too, who, you know, is like, Oh, are you Tink's girlfriend? And seems to have no idea that it's her.

Yes. I cannot recognize that they look exactly the same. So, Alice closes the laptop and says like, she didn't recognize me. She didn't, she doesn't know what she looks like. And she gets a little light bulb moment, runs back to her house, into her livestream room, sets up the, she has like a TV that plays the live stream.

She sets that up behind her and the camera in front of her, so that when she goes into the chat room, you can see her and the other Lola in the same screen behind her. It's kind of confusing, but it's basically... It gets them both in the same screen behind her. I know it's kind of confusing, but it's basically, it gets them both in the same screen. Yeah. She can prove, she can say, look at this. Yes.

And she goes into Lola's room and she's tipping a lot. She's tipping hundreds of coins and saying like, I need private chat, give me a private chat. So Lola pauses the live stream, has a a private chat, give me a private chat. So Lola pauses the live stream, has a little private chat with her and says like, oh, Tink's girlfriend, like, what's up? You really are cute. Like, what is it that you want to do? And Alice says, I want everyone to see how good we look together. And so Lola is like, oh, you like to be watched. And she says, I love being watched. And so she says, okay.

So she changes their private video chat into the live stream basically, so that everyone can see. And obviously everybody in the chat is like, what the fuck is going on? Cause these are two Lolas. They're like, evil Lola, who's this now? What's going on? Lola too seems like completely oblivious

to anything being weird still. And she's like, so what do you wanna do? She's calling Alice Teapot because she's using the Mr. Teapot username. She says, what do you wanna do Teapot? And Alice says, maybe a game of monkey see monkey do. And she says, okay. And she says, maybe a game of Monkey See, Monkey Do. She says, OK. And she says, and whoever wins gets

to make the other person do something or whatever. She's like, OK. So they do their first little thing where Alice takes off a bra strap and does a sexy little shimmy. And then Lola has to do it back. And the people in the chat are voting who they think wins the round. And so Lola wins the first round and then tells Alice to strip. She says,

I want you to strip. That's the thing that she'll get to because she won. She gets to tell her to do something. And so Alice takes off her clothes. She's, she leaves her underwear on, bra and underwear. And the comments are, everyone's still confused, but tipping like, this is really weird, but we're having a good time still, I guess. Weird, but fun. I don't know. Let's see where this thing goes. Stakes are low for me. And so now it's Alice's turn. And she says, I want you to repeat after me. And she says, you stole my face.

Lola says, you stole my face. And then Alice says, and I'm going to get it back. She says, and I'm going to get it back. Everyone in the chat is like, what is going on right now? And Alice smashes her face as hard as she can onto her desk, long leg style. And like breaks her own nose, there's blood everywhere. Whoa, didn't see that coming.

And Lola has to repeat it, monkey see, monkey do. She's like, your turn. And Lola too starts kind of glitching and she bangs her face down, but then there's no blood. She looks the same and her image is glitching a bit. And all of the chat is like, oh, Lola chickened out. So Alice wins this round. And so now Alice gets to ask Lola to do something and she says, give me the password to the account. And at

first Lola says, no, I'm not, I'm not going to do that. And all the people in the chat are like, Oh, she's not, she's not, um, whatever, like fulfilling her promise. And she's like, Alice is trying to play like, Oh, your guys are never going to trust you again. If you, if you don't do that, everybody stopped tipping, stop tipping until she gives me the password. And so everyone stops tipping and then Lola gives Alice the password and very quickly, Alice types it in and navigates to account settings and deletes the account. Great. Goes dead.

Great, okay. So now we see some time has passed. She's like adjusting a bandage on her nose. Her nose is still like broken, but it looks a lot better than it did. Like the cut has healed, but it's still a little out of alignment. So I don't know, a couple of weeks later or something, her mom is doing her makeup for her and she says, are you sure you want to do this again? And she says, yes.

Her mom says, what if it happens again? And then she says, then I'll make another account and another account and another account. And we see her creating a new account on the cam site. She's wearing a blonde wig now. And she creates a new user and says, your current ranking is 167,000. Oh, wow. She goes live, it does a little countdown live in three, two, one, and she says into the camera, hey guys, and that's the end of the movie.

Okay. Okay. A lot of interesting ideas here that really didn't come together for me personally. Yes. I just... I read an interview that they did shoot a scene that made it more clear that it was AI

that was taking their likeness, but that's not really my issue with it. I don't think, I think it's like the amount of things they planted that felt like clues that we were supposed to be paying attention to, like Katie, like Tink, like I just felt like there were things that felt like they were gonna be part of a bigger picture that weren't.

Like even baby being dead, like did she just die randomly and the AI like started taking over her likeness or is someone killing them? We did never found out what the status is of all the other people that have done live shows with baby. Where's this money going? Where's this money going? Where's the money going?

For these people. What's the dark force at work here that's like taking their money or? Yeah, yeah. So a little unsatisfying in the end. I think there are some interesting things of exploring like being in control of your own image. And this was kind of pre big AI discussions in general.

And so that's a little more commonly talked about now. And so it is a little ahead of its time in that way. But like, I think especially for cam girls and people that like. Are selling their image, but then having that taken away from them in this way is really a fascinating theme to explore that I just, I don't know, I feel like you didn't dig into it as much as I wanted it to.

I feel like it didn't dig into it as much as I wanted it to. I feel like it mines the whole theme that we've been so accustomed to, which is that one of the only ways that women have any kind of economic power in our life is to sell their bodies. And we've seen that happen in so many different iterations. And it's been received in so many different ways. And so many different generations where it's like one way to get money. And that money is freedom and money is power in certain ways. But if people know that the way you got that money is through selling your body, then they will throw you in jail, they'll kill you, they'll like do anything they can to like destroy you. And so that's like the way that it's been through most of our history. And now we've

reached kind of a sexual liberation where like, maybe there's some more like power that's given to sex workers, slightly a tiny sliver of power, only a tiny sliver, like not at all the real full breadth of power. And it's this movie is kind of like pinpointing the fact that like that will be taken from you as well. Like AI will take it from you. Like AI can take that independent feeling and own it, and you won't even get that. You don't even get that. It made me think of revenge porn and the things being posted that you- Now you're not in charge of your body at all. It's something that was done to be empowering or intimate or something that then is like taken from you without your consent

that can be weaponized in a way that's like really hurtful and damaging and that would be really interesting to explore. Yeah and like and especially with like the cops and people like getting other people involved because everyone like belittles the industry so much of like sex work and like kind of laughs it off and doesn't take it seriously as something that like needs it's treated like a crime. It's treated like a crime. Yeah. And it's also like a thing that a large section of our population engages in. Like a lot of people engage in sex work. Yeah. It's a real thing that happens. And I feel like there's like an, they didn't totally go for it as far as I could tell,

but this like undercurrent of judgment, too of like, well, you put it out there once, so who cares that it's still out there? You know, like, yeah, there's videos of you masturbating and you naked online that I guess aren't technically you, but like it is using your body and it only could have been there in the first place

because you put it up there. Like that is like a horror version of this idea that I would be really intrigued by. Yeah. That is like, yeah, the victim blaming of like, of revenge porn. It's like, okay, well you fucking slut, you took naked pictures.

So now they're the world's property because you did something bad. You took naked pictures of yourself for one person. But because you did that, everyone deserves to see them. What do you think was gonna happen? Yeah, it is a really fascinating topic that I feel like, as kind of like you said, Henley is like only now just barely starting to be acknowledged as like there should be some legal ramifications

for and legal protections for people in this situation. But I feel like it is really, I mean, I guess I don't actually really know what's going on with any of that. But it feels like I'm sure it's pretty slow moving and not made a priority. One of the huge thing that AOC has been focusing attention on is passing the bill that would make it illegal to have AI porn, AI revenge porn. There are so many people out there. It's insane that that wouldn't already be illegal. You could put your face on a body that's not yours.

Well, because I feel like she's been a victim of that, right? I feel like. Yeah, 100% has been a victim of it. And if you become a woman who's in any position of power, you would become a victim of it as well. Like it's ubiquitous among any well-known woman. And it can happen to literally any person whose face is on the internet,

which is to say everyone. Also us. Us. Like we count. We count. We count. No one knows who we are. Nonetheless, we still have a podcast

that has an Instagram account that is technically open to the public. Yep. Technically. Yep. Technically. Technically. Technically. If you can figure out how to get there, technically it's online.

I mean, yeah. It's really dark and awful. It's really dark and awful. And this conversation has made me feel more awful than this movie did now that we're unpacking it. That's what I mean. I just feel like it could have been a more effective movie. I will say Madeline Brewer was amazing in it.

And it's like almost a one woman show. Like she's playing two characters essentially, and it's almost entirely. Wait, Sammy, do you know that Sarah Snook is in a one woman show right now? Oh. The picture of Dorian Gray in London. No, I, do you know that Sarah Snook is in a one-woman show right now? Oh, the picture of Dorian Gray in London. No, I did not know that. She's doing a one-woman show and it's apparently phenomenal. We gotta go. And I am so curious. We gotta go. Stop the pod. We gotta go. Wow, what I would give to have a life where I could just go to the airport right now

and go see Sarah Snook on the stage. What I would give to have a life where I could just go to the airport right now and go see Sarah Snook on the stage. What I would give to have a life where I could just go to the airport. What a dream. I want to be at the airport. Just go straight up to security, wait in that line, what I would give, what I would give. But yeah, that's Cam. And I like a lot of elements about it.

And I think there would have been a better version of it somewhere, but I am glad that it exists nonetheless. Yeah. I think it was a really cool idea. Yeah. But it could have been scarier and it could have been more fucked up, more fucked up. And it could have had like a clearer kind of clear point of view. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, excellently told. Thank you. Oh, that I have no notes on it. That part was absolutely pitch perfect.

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