Too Scary; Didn't Watch - CAPE FEAR with Kathleen Jordan

Episode Date: February 12, 2020

A vacation destination with a spooktacular name, some super sick tattoos, and Robert DeNiro as a very scary man who learned how to read - we're recapping Martin Scorsese's Cape Fear! Kathleen Jordan (Creator of the upcoming Netflix Original series Teenage Bounty Hunters) joins us to talk about this truly horrifying film that includes all our biggest real-life fears. Trigger warning that this movie includes scenes of rape and sexual assault. Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily, and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared. I am Sammy and I like watching scary movies. Oh God. She really does. It's really crazy. She really does. Can you believe it? I can't believe it. What a world. There are different interests for different people. Who knew? Who knew? Did anything scary happen to us this week? I have one. I discovered Survivor

and it's downhill from here, you guys. Uh-oh. I watched all of season seven, Pearl Island. In one week? Why season seven? Why'd you start there? In like two days. Oh my God.

I Googled best seasons of of survivor and that popped up as one of the number ones um what inspired you fucking great show like really really highly how many episodes are in a season 15 okay that's not as crazy that's just two eight hour work days basically with a lunch break. That's totally normal. It's thrilling. Honestly, there's nothing not to like. I mean, it's it's unbelievable. And I can't believe I have twenty nine more seasons to watch.

I'm so excited. Wow. Amazing. So that was less scary and more just really great. Congrats. Sammy? You mean scary? My scary thing happened with Jenna.

We saw Cole Sprouse. Oh, my God. And you called me and I almost dropped everything I was doing and went out to the street to see him, which is not a normal reaction. The scary part about it was that in the moment I felt so cool and calm and relaxed. And then the second we got to the place we were going,

my whole body was shaking and I was sweating. I was like, I thought I was going to pass out. So much adrenaline. I'm not even the hugest Cole Sprouse fan. I'm a Riverdale fan. We're Riverdale fans here. I love Cole Sprouse, but Emily's the big Cole Sprouse fan. I'm the biggestdale fan. And I do love Cole Sprouse, but Emily's the big Cole Sprouse fan. I'm the biggest. I would marry him.

So I was shocked that I had an actual physical, uncontrollable reaction to it. It was very unexpected. Well, you said he was so beautiful. He was beautiful. I love to hear it. I hate to hear it. That's why they call it a heartthrob. That is why they call it

a heartthrob. That's exactly right is why they call it a heartthrob. That's exactly right. I mean, wow. I think it's just scary seeing celebrities because it's scary. You it seems fun. And then you see them and you're like, oh, they're just strangers. And I don't know them. It's so weird.

It's so weird to see such a familiar, complete stranger. Yeah, it's weird. It's like not fun. So disappointing. It's tough. And what about you emily um i mean nothing so so life-changing as as that i i had survivor a survivor um as survivor i i just had sort of like a stressful week it was i was just like stressed all week you know how sometimes you just are? And that's maybe the scariest thing of all is that sometimes you

just feel trapped in your own anxiety and you don't know when it will end. But I did go... She was terrifying. Because of that I went to a dispensary in person for the first time. Because I never have. I also never have. I'm like a

little baby who has been scared of drugs her whole life. But it's very legal, guys, to smoke weed in California. It is. And I went to this lovely dispensary, this women-run dispensary. And they were lovely. And they talked me through. I told them sort of what I was looking for. It was very wonderful.

I've been to that dispensary on Sunset. Yes. It's my favorite dispensary. Guys yes it's my favorite dispensary guys it's a good dispensary they have all those little games that you can play it was the first time i started to spin the wheel it feels good and it feels good it feels really some dispensaries don't don't feel good okay good to know i'll only go to that one forever yeah um it was really lovely and she gave me such good like things that she thought I would like and it's it was nice so you know that sounds really nice it was nice oh and another

scary thing happened to me this week oh are we there because I was gonna say I watched the movie yes is it time yeah it's time I'm watching the movie I know I'm so proud of you and I was really scared I'm thank you for being proud of me because I was legitimately like really scared I really didn't want to do it I really I remember I tried so hard to find a way to not have to do it I was like i mean henley if you want to you can like it's

totally fine if you want to do it you can do it um but i watched it what freaking movie was it the freaking movie is cape fear uh the remake apparently there was an original in the 60s this is the remake came out in 1991 based on the novel by john mcdonald uh written by and this is sort of confusing james r webb wrote a screenplay and then wesley strick rewrote the screenplay so both of them wrote the screenplay um directed by martin scorsese scorsese i don't know what do we say i've heard of him i've heard of and i've heard both of those. Starring Robert De Niro, Nick Nolte, Jessica Lange, Juliette Lewis and Joe Don Baker and

here to talk about it. Wow, I didn't prepare an intro but I'm going to just go off the cuff because I know her. Here to talk about it with us is a wonderful, hilarious, beautiful if you need to know, writer wickedly talented

wickedly talented Adele Dazeem our wonderful friend writer of soon to be a Netflix teenage bounty hunters teenage bounty hunters is what it's called that's right you're gonna learn to love her airing in July on Netflix

learn to love me it'lliring in July. You're going to learn to love me. It'll take a little time. It'll take a little time and some elbow grease, but you'll learn to love me. It's Kathleen Jordan. Whoa. Sorry, I screamed into the microphone because I was so excited. Kathleen, hi. We're so happy that you're here.

I'm so happy to be here. We're so happy. You're truly like our dream guest, and I wish that we could have you on every week. Oh, that's're here. I'm so happy to be here. We're so happy. You're truly like our dream guest and I wish that we could have you on every week. Oh, that's so nice. This is my dream podcast to be on. Kathleen is honestly we could say that you created this podcast because you are the reason that we're friends.

I often say that. So this is your podcast. It's your podcast. That's true. You brought us together. This group of women met at my bachelorette party. So you're welcome. Thank you. That was the real marriage that took place. Not your actual marriage.

Not my marriage to Steven. No. Previous podcast guest. Previous podcast guest who, you know what? We'd also love for him to come back. We'd love for him to come back. We love him too. Fat chance.

He's never coming back. I know. He's he's so high maintenance yeah he's extremely famous just kidding he'd love to come back wait so okay tell the listeners how you feel about scary movies i love scary movies um i do not like torture at all. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it so much. But I love scary movies that are scary because it could actually happen to you. And I love that. I love that. And that's what makes me most scared.

Yes. And so like, oh, this is one of my favorite movies, not just scary movies, but one of my favorite movies of all time. I love it, though. It's funny as in preparing this i are preparing for this i went online and looked and not people don't like love this movie but i love this movie i think it's so fun and thrilling and when was the first time you saw it um i saw it with my dad when i was like probably 12 or 13 oh that is an interesting because the father that is an interesting, because the father-daughter

is an interesting part of this movie. Yes. And an interesting time in your life as a teenage girl to see this movie. I saw a lot of like, probably kind of not appropriate movies with my dad and family, but I like remember my dad

specifically loving this movie. And so I would like to just point out also that this is falling into a theme we have with guests on the podcast who um continually have a favorite horror movie that they saw at a younger age and i think it's because it kind of like imprints on you and that at that age and it kind of means more to you than later in life i also think that like because this is probably stupid but because it's directed by martin scorsese i'm like i like think it's elevated right right right right and i like that like say in my mind is like oh it's it is good it has to be good you're like it's prestige early 90s horror so going into it i was like oh my god scorsese robert de niro this is going to be and like people were he was de niro

was nominated for an academy award juliette Lewis was nominated for. And like this. Yes. And they are very good in it. So they're so good. But I, too, going in was like, this is going to be so impeccable. And and if I didn't know it was directed by him, some of the directing choices, I was like, what the fuck? They're crazy because they're all they're all like Hitchcock references, which is why. And it's very

campy. It's got a camp element to it, which is like silly. But which is sort of makes it more fun. Yeah. Hi, everybody. It is cocktail hour. And this week's cocktail is a Boathouse Punch. This recipe is for,

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the crazier trivias I feel like I've ever read. Oh, my God. I wonder if this is true. Don't check. I'll never check. Robert De Niro paid a dentist $5,000 to make his teeth look suitably bad for the role. Holy shit. And after filming, paid $20,000 to have them fixed.

Well, he had money to burn. I'm not adding that that is true. I've read that in multiple places. That they filed his teeth down. Ow. He is so fucking scary in this movie. He really is. Whatever the scary equivalent of a sight gag is, he is a scary gag.

Just seeing him is bone chilling. So I believe that. And it's true. is bone chilling so i i believe that and it's true a personal trivia is that my mother had the poster for this movie hanging in her bedroom for my entire childhood it's like it's honestly she doesn't even really care about the movie that much it must just be something that someone gave her that she's like i guess i'll hang it and so when i would like go into my mom's room after like having a nightmare it would be like robert de niro's crazy eyes big huge eyes like oh so that's my like personal experience that's fucking nuts i never would have guessed that in

a million years i wouldn't expect you to. Do you think she's lying that she like there's not a reason that it's there? Like, do you think she has like a thing for Robert De Niro? Maybe I honestly kind of hope so. That's a good choice. Make more sense. Be better. I think a picture of him in the movie would be better.

Maybe that's too obvious. That's too on the nose. And then another trivia I had was that both reese witherspoon and drew barrymore auditioned for the part of the daughter who plays who plays that character juliet lewis and she's really good in it and i think like they were both reese and i mean juliet lewis is beautiful but I think Reese and Drew both would have been too lovely looking at that age she needs to be she needs to look like an awkward teenager I think for it to work the way that it does

that's like so central to her performance yeah that she like looks like she like has the body of a woman but looks like an awkward teenager and it's like that exact moment in time feels very important for this movie. And I don't like where that leads. And you shouldn't.

You shouldn't. It's very spooky. I have a piece of trivia about it that's kind of interesting. That it was originally going to be directed by Steven Spielberg. And Martin Scorsese was attached to Schindler's List. And they switched. What? Yeah.

Isn't that crazy? Whoa. They both would have been so different. It would have been very weird. And who's he? What's the other one? Wow. I get Martin Spielberg.

Steven Spielberg. Steven Spielberg. What's it? Steven Spielberg wanted Bill Murray to play Max Cady, the role that Robert De N niro played that would have been it would have been a different it would have been a different movie um i will say there was a moment in this movie and it you know robert de niro is such a good actor obviously obviously um and there is something about being such a good actor that you can make a choice where out of context is the

stupidest thing a person has ever done. There is a moment at the end of this movie where if it were not him, it would be you'd be like, this person's awful. This is the worst acting I've ever seen. This is insane. I hate this. But because it's him, you're like, man, he really goes there. And that is I like truly had this revelation about acting, watching this movie of like,

man, who's to say? Really, who's to say? Oh my God. I'm so excited to talk about this movie. I'm glad I saw it. I'm glad I saw it. Let's watch the goddamn trailer. Let's watch the trailer.

Sam, somebody's out there. What's watch the trailer. dad you should have just punched him out yeah you know how to fight dirty you do that for a living this guy uh he threatened you he's clever so that the law can't touch him come out come out wherever you are um oh my god i'm fucking so excited to talk about this i'm excited to hear about it um kathleen do you want to get us started? Set the scene. Set the scene. Set the scene. We've got Juliette Lewis, a young Juliette Lewis. She's like 18, but she's... She's playing 15, almost 16.

It's like almost her 16th birthday. Okay. Yeah. Dani. Okay. She's talking straight to camera, reminiscing and romanticizing about a vacation place that they go to called Cape Fear and how magical and wonderful it is.

And yeah, it's got a pretty spooky name. It's weird that it's called Cape Fear because the only thing you'll hear is that like the days are ending because it's so lovely. So wonderful. Okay. And then cut straight to a jail cell wall covered in war generals like robert e lee photos a bunch of books and then you cut to or rather pan to the back of a prisoner with these huge high contrast uh tattoos on his back um there's the scales of justice um on each like lat. Yeah. Huge.

This dude's ripped. He's clearly using his time well in his jail cell. Yeah. And turn around and it's Robert De Niro who's playing the character of Max Cady. Our scary, scary villain. A jail clerk. What do we call him? A jail guy? A jail guy.

A jail guy. A jail guard. A guard. Let's call him a guard. We can call him? A jail guy? A jail guy? A jail guy. A jail bird? A jail guy comes. A guard? A guard. Let's call him a guard. Comes and lets him out. We can call him a clerk if you want. Sure. A clerk. A clerk. A jail receptionist. A jail intern comes. A secretary. Gets him out of his cell and as he's walking

out to the front, all the other inmates are looking like, this is a guy who has some presence at the jail. Okay. And then when the jail bird gets him, he says like, it's your lucky day, Katie, or something. So like he's he's being released. He's being released. And on his way out, one of the jail jailbirds, the jail clerk calls after him and says, oh, Katie, what about your books? And he says, I read them all.

Oh my God. So he's powerful and smart. And he's wearing some peach loose bell bottoms. Yeah, just to save us some time, we should quickly just note his fashion throughout is extremely... 10 out of 10. It's so good. It's like what my mind thinks of when people

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slash too scary um then we get to that kind of like swelly music the lovely intro of a perfect American southern family um a maid is getting let out at this beautiful Southern house. Graciela is her name. Graciela, just a lovely woman who works at the house. No reason to remember her because she won't come back later. Nope. Forget her. Forget her. She'll never be

back. Uh-oh. And Juliette Lewis's character Danny, she's like, she's doing that awkward thing of like really showing off the Spanish that she's learned. Hola Graciela. Hola Graciela. Hazrop Olympia. And Graciela responds in English, which is just like, yeah, she speaks better English than you do Spanish.

Shut the fuck up. and then yeah we go inside and we meet Lee the mom this beautiful woman who has that cursed haircut of the early 90s that feathered short like a feathered pixie it's so ugly and she's so beautiful

she is so beautiful throughout this movie for viewers so like objectively hot in every way to this goddamn day. Oh my God. She's so hot. She's so hot.

Yes. We meet mom and she's doing her sketches. We learned that she was, she's like a marketing person. She's trying to come up with a logo for a travel agency or something, something like that. Like a brand concept. There's a playful moment between mom and daughter where we learned the

daughter, she's in the real rebellious annoyed with mom and dad eye rolly phase of teenagerdom which is really fun to watch and we meet their cute fluffy dog again don't worry about it not gonna come back later stop thinking about it it's done anytime there's a dog you know everything's fine and then after we meet the dog we cut to dad at work uh sam boden played by by Nick Nolte. He did well at a case. He's got a co-worker. Everyone's happy.

Look at this wealthy American family. Everyone's white. Everyone's rich. So the family goes out to see Problem Child in theaters. Max lights up his cigar and he's laughing. He's being very inappropriate at the movie. Right there. It showed in the trailer.

He's like sitting around in front of them. Yes. Yes, exactly. Got it. laughing he's being very inappropriate at the movie right there it showed in the trailer he's like sitting around in front of them type of thing yes exactly got it um so this guy's so annoying and juliet lewis afterwards they're all getting ice cream and she's rolling her eyes at that annoying freak at the movies and uh they're joking about how um sam the dad should have punched him out because he that he fights for a living or something some cute line about him fighting for a living you fight dirty for a living he's a lawyer

and also we're sort of I don't know if we've fully gotten the impression yet but their marriage isn't like so happy they sort of take jabs at each other in this way there's like a lot of tension below the surface it all like seems fine but you can definitely tell that like this way there's like a lot of tension below the surface yeah it's right i know what that's fine but you can definitely tell that like when she says that like oh you know you could you should

approach me you fight it's like she's not she's not they don't like each other yeah so much but they're gonna pretend that they do yes they're happy family passion there's like passion and hate like right under the surface. It's hot. And then you see it boil up. Yeah. When dad goes to pay for the ice cream, it's been taken care of. It's been paid for. Why has it been taken care of? Uh-oh.

He looks out the window. Crazy stylized zoom in on a guy sitting in a topless. A topless. What's that called? A topless. A topless. Convertible. A convertible? A convertible?

A topless car. A fucking slutty car. Max Keating is sitting there staring at him from like 30 feet away. And it seems like he doesn't really know who that is. It's nighttime. It's too far for him to really see him. Walks a little bit closer.

Looks at who that guy is and gets his family and he's like, let's too far for me to really see him. Walks a little bit closer. Looks at who that guy is. And gets his family. He's like, let's eat our ice cream inside. This is like sort of weird. Okay. And he was still at that point. I'm like, I think he does know who he is. I mean, I don't know. They go inside and he like turns back around to go. There's like an air of recognition.

Maybe. Okay. Maybe. You're not quite sure. But the way that he's like, hey hey let's go inside is rather than oh who's this man who bought my ice cream thank you for not getting me ice cream so he brings him inside and he turns around to look again and the car is gone I don't like that no and you shouldn't you shouldn't you shouldn't and you'll grow

to like it less and less yeah you're at sort of your peak of liking it in this moment it's like how when you learn to love me like you said at the beginning of the podcast you'll learn to hate this guy. You will quickly learn. Yeah. Cut to Nick Nolte playing an extremely flirty game of squash with Ileana Douglas.

So flirty. And you're like, wait a minute. Did I just see him with his wife? I truly was like, oh, am I? Is this a different person? It feels like weird. Yeah, that's a good way to think about it. It just happens very fast that you're like, oh, okay.

Oh, great. Okay, we're in a different movie. Is it a co-worker? Turns out it's a co-worker. Okay. She is a clerk. Not to be confused with a jail clerk. A jail clerk or what?

Not to be confused with a jail clerk. Sorry, sorry. There are many clerks in this movie. It's hard to keep them. Everyone's a clerk. They almost called it clerks, but then they realized that it was going to be taken later. Going to be taken in the future. Yeah, exactly. That will be taken. Right, exactly.

They're playing this sexy game of squash and like in front of other co-workers too, which is kind of weird. It's like very public. And then they kind of break up their sexiness. I think co-workers seeing them makes them kind of tone it down like maybe 20%.

And then they leave the squash court and they go upstairs and leave the gym or whatever. And Nick Nolte slash Sam says, like, you know, we shouldn't really do this anymore. And Ileana Douglas' character Lori is like, well, we're not doing anything.

We haven't even slept together. So it's just a flirtation at work, but it's obviously, he's like, come on is like, well, we're not doing anything. We haven't even slept together. It's just a flirtation at work, but it's obviously, he's like, come on. There's more to it than just like something's going to happen. There's a lot of something there. She was like, why? Is your wife going to care that we're hanging out?

He's like, my wife doesn't even know you exist. That's going to come back. Well, that's a fucked up thing that does not answer the question. No, and she doesn't love that. I't blame her i wouldn't i wouldn't like to know that either right they they leave and they sort of then at his at her car she's like getting ready to drive off and he's sort of like okay fine like let's hang out again and they like make plans to get because he can't help himself um he loves to he loves to fuck he loves to fuck so yeah so we it's not it's not

over it's not over but then he takes um his keys to put them into the ignition it's in his car to drive away it's in his car to drive away and the keys are taken and there's max katie standing over his car oh um with the craziest accent i have ever heard. It is an extremely strong Southern accent. I wouldn't say being from the South and feeling pretty good about my knowledge of accents. I wouldn't say it's a good accent. So he takes his keys out of his ignition and is holding them, which is threatening. It's very scary. In its very nature.

And he says, I'll try to do his accent. Free as a bird. You can go wherever you want with whomever. That's pretty good. I liked that. But immediately his comment to Sam is that. Like, I know your shit. Yeah, I know that you're like, oh, you can do whatever you want.

Look at you. You're just walking around. And the implication, too, is is like i know you're married i know you're flirting with this bitch like right i know i know shit i know shit about you yeah so they get to talking and it turns out um sam was his lawyer 14 years ago he plays like he doesn't remember who he is but at this point it's pretty clear that he does yeah he's he's acting he's like oh i oh my gosh yeah oh you good for you you got released from prison and he's like no no no counselor counselor counselor he says counselor a lot during it um

and he was his like public defender oh i see so he was assigned to the court appointed lawyer obviously since he went to prison for 14 years, maybe he's dissatisfied with his representation at the time of the trial. It would seem I would think that would be a fair assumption. Smart. OK. Yeah. Honestly, I think it would be kind of scary to be a public defender. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. Because you always wonder the cases you lost. Because you always wonder the cases you lost. Are those people going to come for me?

You're going to get some more info. About this particular situation. So Max kind of tries to intimidate Sam. And Sam doesn't want to be intimidated. But as he's driving away, Max says to him, you're going to learn a thing or two about loss. Which is a thing I had to put subtitles on because he said, you're going to learn a thing or two about loss. Which is a thing I had to put subtitles on because he said, you're going to learn about loss. You're going to learn a thing or two about loss. Excuse me, sir.

A what? What are you saying? Not what you want to hear. Not what you want to hear, my friends. No. So then back at home, Lee and Sam are kind of just chatting about the day and Danny's home from school. And Danny mentions that, you know, she really misses the times that they spent as a family on the houseboat at Cape Fear. Got it. So the aforementioned marital tension is

on full display in the scene. Okay. Sam says, you know, hey, why don't we take a week off and go up to the houseboat um and you know give danny that time at the houseboat of cape fear and lee says she thought he didn't have time and now she doesn't have time and and it's clear to us that he's saying this to get away from max yeah he's like oh let's get into town for like he's sort of freaked by seeing and he's sort of like let's go to town's gonna houseboat and she's like no we have shit going on then they just have sex he like sees her in the mirror getting ready for bed

like sort of like taking her shoulder strap off her shoulder and he's like do that again and then they fuck yeah they fuck and then it goes black and white when they're fucking and then it goes inverted black and white so stylized it's wild then they stop having sex

and then it fades to like a bright yellow, which is very weird. Then all of a sudden she's sitting in front of the mirror and she's got like a bunch of mirrors in her vanity. So this is the start of what I thought was one of the scariest parts of the movie because I was so unsettled. I was just like what the fuck is

happening? She's looking in the mirror and you don't really get what's going on in her head but you kind of, it's like a if I had to put words to her, it would be like, am I still pretty or something? Like, there's like, she's like putting on this crazy pink colored lipstick that you would definitely only wear in the late 80s

or early 90s. Yeah, and it's like in the middle of the night. And she's like pretty well lit. Is it supposed to be like an insecurity thing because maybe she feels that he's having an emotional affair that's smart yes you're smarter than i yeah that's probably what it is probably completely right and i'm not thinking about that until you just said that now but yeah that's totally what that's totally what i think you know when those things are happening yes and you're yeah and you're right um she does yes and she and there may be a history there.

So this may be a pattern. Or forget that we said that. Or that may never come up again. Don't forget. So forget about that. Forget about the dog and forget about Graciela the maid. Oh, I already forgot about Graciela. Oh, OK, good. Then don't do anything. Anyway, she's having this very like personal, sensual moment of putting on lipstick and like touching her lips.

And Sam is in bed. And as she's kind of like having such a private almost like masturbatory moment by herself she notices out the window um in with the backdrop of all of these crazy the craziest fireworks as if someone is doing a show just for them like no fireworks look this way um max katie is sitting on their fence just looking inside their house oh no just like very relaxed like fucking like stretched out like he's in a fucking chaise lounge truly my biggest nightmare whenever i'm home alone that's all i picture is someone like just casually watching yes it that i'm telling you that that was the moment 10 minutes in it's 10 minutes into the movie yeah where i texted all of you was like i don't think i could do this. I was like, I don't think I can watch this movie. I'm too

scared. It's extremely scary. It's so scary. And it gets so much worse. She tells Sam they wake up and he wakes up and they go down and he's gone. So then I think it's the next day that he tells her about Katie's case

and he's like, you know, he said something. I'm going to teach you about loss or something. He he's like, you know, he said something. I'm going to teach you about loss or something. He's faking as though he doesn't remember. That it's not like seared into his brain. And faking that he doesn't, that who Katie is, isn't seared into his brain. He's like, I mean, I don't know. It was 14 years ago. I defended him, but I don't really know what it was.

Yeah. So he's hiding something. Something that was being hidden was yeah so i can't remember he's hiding something do you guys get that he's hiding something i get it okay um then the next morning they see they're talking and sam says to lee you know danny can't just like walk around alone here um like we we need to be safe he's kind of slept on it and it's like this is serious we she you know we have like we have a teenage daughter um we can't let her reason to be this think about that in connection with this man but just in case normal teenage daughter stuff just a regular thought that i'm having unrelated unrelated to what's

yeah happening with this and he even says he's like he's. Like, he doesn't want to go back to jail. He's not going to do anything. Right. He just got added. I just want to go back to jail. But like, you know, let's just be careful. Don't let the dog out and don't let her daughter out. It's fine.

Come on. Just get used to it. So clearly, once he gets to work that day and is talking to a colleague because he's a lawyer, his tone has changed and he is very concerned. He's trying to get a case against him, but there's nothing. You know, he's talking to a colleague because he's a lawyer, his tone has changed and he is very concerned. He's trying to get a case against him, but there's nothing. You know, he's talking to a colleague. He's like, what, a guy might plan to murder you or might plan to rape your family? Like, yeah, something like that.

And he's also like, OK, so he was he bought your ice cream and he was looking at you. Maybe he wasn't. And oh, he's like, oh, he was trespassing on your property. He was like, no, he was on the fence boarding my property. He's like, okay,

I don't know. Guys, to me, that seems like a case. Like if a guy that you were supposed to defend 14 years ago, just got out of jail and then does two strong power moves. That's a case. And it's like lurking around you.

He does say he's like, get a restraining order. And he was like lurking around you. He does say he's like get a restraining order and he was like I filed for one but it takes like 10 days or something. So he's like yeah I know but also like this dude has like been stalking me and I can't wait 10 days for a restraining order. This is interesting because I feel like this is the same thing that happens to women

all the time. And Henley? We're gonna get there. I think it's gonna happen to some women in this it's gonna no but that's that's a smart to some women they're smart to say that you're right and i do yeah this is like an everyday problem for so many women that they trying to get restraining orders on men who are clearly dangerous and no one cares the justice system broken yes and in this movie definitely touches on that. But so this is, I believe, the scene where we do learn finally

about his history with Katie and what they do. Because the lawyer's like, or his co-worker's like, what's the fuck? What is the deal with this? Like, why is this guy doing this to you? Yeah, and it's the crime is rape and aggravated sexual battery. Of a 16 year old girl. Of a 16 year old girl.

Oh no. And that's when his his corker's like you your daughter's about 16 right and he's like uh-huh that's right yeah that is why i'm freaking out and he at the time he got um he cops to the secret um that he's been keeping which is that uh sam got a report that the victim of the crime was promiscuous before and he buried it but you see like you see his moral character in this moment because he's like yes it's like she was promiscuous but she um he kept saying you should have seen what he did to her which we never actually a weird thing about this movie is we never learned the actual details but he's like if you had seen what he did to her. Yeah.

It's crazy that that could even be an argument against that. That's so fucked up. And the question here is like, and his lawyer friend keeps saying like, but it is your you took an oath. It is your job to defend him to the best of your ability. And you didn't do that. I create the strongest case. He's like, I mean, moral freaking. Yeah.

And he's like, I know I didn't. But fuck strongest case and he's like i know i didn't but fuck it but fuck it this guy is a piece of shit and like he deserved what he got and in this moment when they're talking about the you know he buried he buried this this um detail um and but at that point max katie was illiterate so there's no way that he could know now that the report was buried. Because how would he even. And they keep being like, yeah, he's buried. Right. So, yeah, no one would ever know.

And there's no way he could ever know. I have a feeling that he does know. You could be right about that. Well, given the fact that the book, the books, like all the books. Which he read. Oh, the Stacks of Books. And guess what? Can I tell you another piece of trivia?

The tagline for this movie in some settings was he learned how to read. Wait, that's really good. It's kind of awesome. I love it. Really scary. Cape Fear. He learned how to read. That's so funny because no audience would have any context for that. But in the context of this movie, it's like extremely scary and very descriptive. That is the worst case scenario for you. But it's like you have to see half of the

movie to get the tagline. He learned how to read. Okay. So at this point, he thinks he's safe. He thinks he doesn't know. He just thinks he's safe he thinks he had he doesn't know he just thinks he's like a crazy man who's after him but like yeah not safe probably fine everything's probably fine yeah uh then at home um lee is saying to danny that she really needs to be careful kind of relaying that message and it's just a weird the the first um hint at danny's sexuality

she's like what you think i don think I haven't been flashed before, Mom? What? You think guys don't flash me? And she's like, okay, yeah, you're right. You've probably been flashed. Sorry, I didn't mean to insult you. I'm sure you've been flashed. It's so funny.

It really is a very funny teenage daughter and mom moment of like, oh, fine, yeah, whatever, you've been flashed. You're a woman it's fine oh my gosh um then out on the street um katie rolls up on sam in his topless car his topless car titty's out sexy and he is looking at a group of teenage girls. And this is not TV version of teenage girls. No, this is actual teenage girls. They're like awkward. Yeah. They're really being played by 15 year olds.

Not like 25 year old looking teenagers. Not Riverdale. These are not Riverdale people. These are real children with braces. Like that. Like breast buds. Julia Lewis's character Danny, she wears a retainer the whole time.

It's like they're real teens. They're like real teens. Also, it should be noted that he's wearing a Hawaiian shirt with the pattern of like a hot orange sunset. It's very intense. His vibe is crazy crazy the palette is ketchup and

mustard it's like a really really bright uh primary color but yeah he rolls up on on sam who's walking down the sidewalk and as he's starting to talk to him a group of teenagers walk out and he takes a moment he's like oh i love him at he says i love him at that age sam's like why are you coming after me why aren't you badgering the judge like I love him. He says I love him at that age. Sam's like, why are you coming after me? Why aren't you badgering the judge? Like, I don't get this. I was your lawyer. I defended you. And Katie laughs and laughs and laughs. Oh, he laughs. He does that Joker laugh. And then he says it tells him, you know what? I actually learned to read and in jail first it was spot

goes to the farm first it was spot goes to the farm then runaway bunny then law books mostly and he's like you know we're just a couple of lawyers here talking shop like let's talk about it and sam's like look how much money do you want like i'll give you money um and i'll give you ten thousand dollars and katie thinks that's hilarious and he's like have you ever been a woman what and sam's like what and he's like have you ever been a woman some fat hairy hillbillies wet dream and so implying that he's been raped a lot and then he doesn't just imply it he talks about it he says oh god something did you write down the exact quote because yeah um yeah sam's like okay sorry sorry i get it like he's like no no let's talk let's

talk about how much money you owe me let's like really work this out he's like huh so what's the compensation for being held down and raped by four white guys how about four black guys well actually I think he says sodomized oh sodomized yeah you're right sodomized by four white men

how about four black men oh no Sam's a little out of his element Sam's a little out of his element. He's a little out of his element, one would say. Learn this in law school. One would say. $10,000 does seem low. It seems low.

It does seem low. And you know what? Max Cady agrees. Yeah, Max Cady really agrees because he amortizes it over years and is like, even if it's $100,000, that's less than $10 a day. That's less than minimum wage. So he doesn't like the idea of being paid. He's also like, I have money.

And like, honestly, he's driving a convertible. He's got a dope ass shirt. He's like doing fine. Yeah. He doesn't need money. No, he doesn't need money. That's not what he wants. Wait, the implication is that he was raped every day when he was in jail for 14 years.

No. I'm glad you asked because the answer is that he was raped every day when he was in jail for 14 years. No. Emily, I'm glad you asked because the answer is no. No. I think the implication is that at least twice he was gang raped by some groups of men. No, the money per day is just based on like salary, like he's lost out on a job. Oh, I was thinking we were getting paid per week. But that is a good question. I'm really glad to be clarified because I would have had

a completely different idea of what happened in the jail. Also, very interesting for a rapist to be questioning about what he should be compensated for having been raped. Yeah, it is interesting. It's funny that he went there. Some might say that would be a comeuppance.

Some might say. And he should comeuppance. Some might say. And he should not be compensated for it. Let's not compensate for a comeuppance. I agree with that. I really do. I agree with that very much. So anyway, he says, because he defended himself in many

appeals unsuccessfully. He was like, I, did you know I became my own lawyer when i set myself up for appeals and i studied my own case and i became i like learned how to defend myself and so you are starting to get the picture of like oh i read the files bitch i i read the files bitch you know something like that better tagline than he learned to read he read the files bitch um so then sam's at work and he gets a call his wife is on the line it's urgent he says no no i've got more important things to do and the secretary sorry but that's

what she was called at the time says no no your wife is on the line it's urgent baby and so he then cut to him driving home like a maniac and uh you get home lee is crying she describes a very high-pitched squealing she called like screaming she said she said i wrote this down because it's so crazy it's like he was a clock winding down like an old clock and all of a sudden he just stopped yeah no one makes that metaphor the dog the dog unfortunately we lied we said that the dog wasn't gonna come back but we lied i'm shocked wait the dog i feel cheated of natural causes i don't trust you guys i don't know the vet said that he was poisoned he was poisoned um that i didn't see that coming well and there's a crazy also moment of marital tension so oh yeah this is crazy she he's like

the dog died he was the vet said he was poisoned and he was like i told you not to let the dog out and she stands there she's like i didn't let him out and it like, they're like grabbing each other and screaming. And she's like, I didn't let the dog out! It's like really insane. What? It amps up to a thousand instantly. Okay, but wait. Is then the implication that he came into the house? That is the implication.

Yeah. Okay. And we haven't quite gotten there yet. But yes, so that is the implication. But while they're fighting and screaming, Danny like gets up and runs and like goes to her room because she's like, my parents hate each other. I hate my life. I'm a teenager.

I'm going to tell you how scary this movie is is that when you said it's the implication that he's been inside the house, my heart stopped because that's how scary it is for the idea of Max Cady being in your house. That's truly the scariest thing that happens in this real world. That's very scary.

Is an intrusion an unexpected violation and someone being there without your permission and without your knowledge? That's terrifying. Absolutely right. And Sammy, buckle the fuck up. Because more is coming. More is to come.

So they pull up to, or Sam goes to the jailhouse and he's talking about the police, police lieutenant played by Robert Mitchum who played Max Katie in the original. Just a little fun fact. A little fun fact. And they're looking at Max through a one-way mirror and they've brought him

in for this crime. Nick IDs him. And Nick is like very on edge and like doesn't want to id him and then the lieutenant is like it's a one-way mirror he can't see you but like you get the feeling he like he because who else would bring him in right like and it it is so unnerving that you're like who else's dog did he kill you know yeah and he keeps looking through like he's looking at the mirror but but and you know he knows he's looking at the mirror, but, but, and you know, he knows he's looking at the mirror, but you also know he knows he's looking at him.

And like, it is a very scary. Yeah. It's fucking terrifying. You're like, there's no escaping this guy. No. And as you're looking at him, he's stripped down. And we get all these like crazy zoom-ins on all of his tattoos and you get to read them all.

And that's sort of the moment that we learn that he is so Christian biblical, like that there that that is an element to his character. One of the books he has read is the Bible. It is the Bible. And I think he's read it more than once, probably more than once in the 14 years. And the scales of justice on his back are also a cross. There's like a cross along his spine I think what's really scary for me is when

someone else has no fear because they feel like what they're doing is right and nothing can stop them that's a big old theme for Max yeah that's exactly that's a big theme he's got nothing to lose and feels 100% justified in his actions

and it's all about the justice of God, too, because he says vengeance, the tattoos. The Lord is the avenger. Time is the avenger. Truth versus justice. Vengeance is mine. And like all of this stuff about like, I think God being the ultimate judge, judge, which is so crazy. Right. So this man, right.

This man raped and beat the shit out of a 16 year old girl so crazy. So this man raped and beat the shit out of a 16-year-old girl. Right. Went to jail for it and spent his entire time in jail reading and learning about how it is that he shouldn't be in jail and is correct in the eyes of

God. Well, that's what's so interesting about the Bible is you can make it mean whatever you want it to mean. That's true. Tune into Teenage Bounty Hunters July 2020 on Netflix. July 2020. He was wronged by his lawyer. Yeah. Ignoring the fact that prior to that, he did some bad stuff.

He raped and beat up a 16-year-old girl. Very crazy. Spooktacular. It's absolutely spooktacular. It really is. It crazy spooktacular it's absolutely spooktacular it really is it's spooktacular this is one of the most spooktacular movies i've ever seen um okay so so dad's at home and boy is his tune changed and he's like oh you know the sheriff sheriff's positive he's gonna slip up on something we'll get him don't Don't worry about it. Everything's fine. Do do do. Everything's. Let's go back to the dog. But whatever.

Sorry about the dog. It's going to be fine. And then they have a Fourth of July parade. They're just having a fun family time. Great Fourth of July parade, by the way. They had like all these like real people setting up famous like patriotic works of art. It was very cool. It was cool.

I wish I had been there. I wish I had been there. I wish I had been there. I would. I wish I could have been there until I saw Max Katie across the way. Staring. Staring straight. Right at the Bowdoin family. God, the staring.

I hate it. Well, this is a big stare, stare of heavy movie. And then Sam immediately breaks through the crowd to the other side and walks up to Katie. And the mom and daughter don't see where he goes. They don't see who he's after. He's sort of just like gone. And they're like, where'd he go? What's happening?

And by the way, they have not they have not seen Katie. They don't know what he looks like. They know that there's some guy. Max says to Sam, hot as a firecracker on the 4th of July and you know Sam is assumes that Max is talking about his wife Lee

we're not clear on if he's talking about Lee or if he's talking about his 16 year old daughter Danny and so he kind of like goes to Nick hits him Nick Nick Nolte hits him Nick Nolte the actor yeah Nick Nolte, the actor. Yeah. He gets out of character and says, this one's for my homies.

I'm going to punch you as me, the man. It really takes you out in the moment. It's really weird. It's definitely my least favorite part of the movie. This is personal and don't cut this out, Martin. personal and don't cut this out martin um and he beats him and then max immediately and it very adeptly takes on the victim oh my god what i'm sorry sir in a parade crowd there's people around he's like why'd you come out oh my god and like random passers-by are like holding back sam and they're like don't hit him what's going on right very easy for him to play the victim right

yeah he just came at him out of nowhere yeah right I'm just enjoying the parade so then immediately something about the scene this movie that is scary is that it lulls you into a sense of like you think you understand the rhythm or like what's happening but then you'll just cut to another scene with Max Katie

we just cut right into a scene with Max Katie flirting it up at the bar with Ileana Douglas. They're both drunk. Sexy squash. The sexy squash girl. Sexy squash partner. And they're having a great time. She's really lamenting.

God, I had no business getting stuck up on a guy who was married. And Katie's kind of teasing her. Really charming her. You can tell they've been here for a while. She's drunk already. They're flirting. kind of teasing her. Really charming her. You can tell they've been here for a while. She's drunk already.

They're flirting. She asks where he's from and he says Georgia State Correctional Facility. That makes her laugh harder than she's ever laughed before. Her drunk vibe is just like a red flag to me. Everything is so funny.

So funny. Oh my god, everything is so funny. She's like, it's funny, I've heard a joke about i heard a joke like let me tell you and oh this scene is really unnerving and the scene is improvised i fucking that's interesting this scene is completely improvised okay you guys will need to watch you need to watch this movie and if you watch this movie understanding this scene is improvised You will be legitimately scared Of the man Robert De Niro

He's really a genius because it's really Fucked up It's really fucked up She says I heard this joke Frankly I'm just going to let you know Don't wait for a punchline it's not my fault That there's not really a good punchline it doesn't really have one We're going to blame you

It's not my delivery it's the joke really a good punchline. It doesn't really have one. We're going to blame you. It's not my delivery. It's the joke. You be her. I'll be Robert De Niro. Okay, so there's... Wait, hold on. I need to get into character. Okay, yeah, me too. So a woman is out on a date with this man and he just got released from jail. And the woman asks him, well, what did you

do? And he says, oh, I hacked my wife into 52 pieces. He thinks that's the joke. He thinks that's the joke. He thinks that's the end of the joke. Like, oh, that's funny. He cut up his wife. She doesn't register that that's insane.

She keeps going. And then she goes, ha ha. She laughs that he's laughing. But doesn't understand. And then she goes, well, what did you do? And he says, cut my wife up into 52 pieces. Ha ha. She laughs that he's laughing. But doesn't understand. Well, what did you do? And he says. Cut my wife up into 52 pieces.

Then that makes her laugh more and more and more. And then he says, I can hack you up into 40. No. Yeah. She goes, ha ha. Ha ha ha. Because she's so skinny and small. Yeah.

She's like, well, I'm like, I'm pretty petite. And he goes, I could probably hack you up into 40. And then, yeah, cut to them having a really physical, intense. I'm going to tell you guys right now, this is a very upsetting scene. So just get ready to. Yeah, this is really bad. This is a really bad scene. So they're having this like super physical makeout session. And he's like on he's on top of her and she's still laughing at the storm

and apparently that was iliana douglas's idea to keep laughing and it really throws you off because you think that maybe it could go okay i was watching it being like don't wait no no no no stop laughing read the cues read the keys read the keys it's like you see how this shit can really happen and it is so upsetting terrifying he flips her over he says you gotta stay sober because i'm one hell of an animal he flips her over and she's on her stomach handcuffs and she's like this is she's like like how crazy at this point it's like i mean we're terrified because we know who he is but like and i mean i think if i was having sex with a stranger and it was like this i would be like but at this point it is just sex but he's being just a little aggressive yeah and it's not

physical it's not physically sexy yet they're just like hooking up but you can tell it's getting there you don't you can see why she doesn't have total cause to be alarmed terrified yet that's right but we're definitely getting there getting there and then he

takes her arm and um he handcuffs the one arm back I guess. Yeah. And then he takes her other arm and I, the words are escaping me exactly what he says. He says something like, it's

something like, you're not gonna like this or something along those lines. And he takes her arm and it makes a sound that you don't you've never really heard before yeah he really breaks her arm yeah he really breaks the shit out of her arm and you and oh my and he's so good the transition he's like sort of laughing and like being rough but like playing along with her and like handcuffing her and then like when he said whatever that line is like yeah you're not gonna like handcuffing her. And then like when he said, whatever that line is, I'm like, yeah, you're not going to like this. Like his face turns fucking terrifying.

And you can tell that it's just like anger. And then the cherry on top, he does the arm thing, which is, it's really, it's a sound, it's a sound that you're like, oh,

that's exactly what that would sound like. And she's, and at this point she's screaming. She's terrified. In extreme pain. And then he reaches, leans forward and he bites out her cheek. A big old chunk out of her cheek.

And his face is all bloody and nasty. And it's not good. It's not. It's bad, actually. Good. It sounds bad. And he said he said something about Matt or about Sam doesn't he or

like something like he alludes to it being about him so really I that part is so extremely I don't know I kind of like watching time to watch that yeah but oh my god she's in a lot of pain she's in a lot of pain and she's like looking at him and she's

like why like what and he just like, why? Like what? And he just and then you see we zoom out and we are outside of the window and it's sort of like frosted glass and you see his silhouette just like punching and punching and punching her. It's horrible. It is. Oh no. And we're like 45 minutes into that.

We're like deep into the movie at this point. And I remember like he's been so scary the whole time But You haven't seen this And all of a sudden you're like Oh this is this fucking guy It's scary It is so scary

It's intense Cut to they're at the Sam's house and He's like ding ding ding And a key or he's like ding ding ding and a key or he's like and there's no sound because the key is out on the piano. We saw him playing

the piano earlier. Sure there's a piano motif. There's a reason we're talking about it. Or we're not. Forget it. Or you can forget it. Or you can just absolutely One of the keys doesn't work but forget it. Forget about it. Forget about it. Okay. Sheriff calls the house. There's a break Forget about it. Forget about it. Okay. Sheriff calls the house.

There's a break in the case. Katie's raped another girl. They're like, this is great news. He's going to go back to jail because he raped another girl. Thank God. Thank God. We're so glad he raped somebody. That's awesome. We love that.

We love to hear it. We love to see it. The lieutenant is like, Katie, I mean, Katie definitely raped her. She saw him like, oh no a neighbor saw him heard screams saw him leaving the place or like it's definitely katie we've got him but the girl is saying she fell down the stairs and it's very clear up on seeing her shouldn't fall down that she's like oh no yeah i got i hit my knee yeah so they're like no he's like going and talk to this girl he opens the door

it's the girl it's her she's very embarrassed please don't look at me um she says like one of the scariest moments she's really mad at him um she's like you left me you stood me up you stood me up and I wanted to show you and then

she's like sobbing and she goes I guess I really showed you I guess I really showed you. Yeah. I guess I really showed you. Oh, my God. It's heartbreaking. I don't like that. It's really a sad, sad sight for women in the world.

Yeah. And then she says things that are very relevant to this whole conversation where she is like. Which, this movie is 30 years ago. Yeah, it's cool as she was saying it i was like fuck this is exactly the conversation yeah this is like what we're talking about where he was like he's like you need to testify against this guy or he's gonna do this kind of thing again you can't believe that and she says look i don't like i don't want

to go up there i don't want to explain what i was wearing I don't want to explain why I was alone at a bar why was I that drunk yeah like I can't in front of all of my colleagues like that this is the shame and embarrassment like professional embarrassment I can't bear it and I've seen this happen before and I know how they talk about those girls and they and we go back

in the back room and we laugh about them and we make fun of them and like I'm not going to be one of those women. I can't do it. It's so fucked up. It's awful. Wow this movie really touched on all of my biggest fears. Maybe it's really good that I watched it instead of you

because it is. That part I was like oh my. It's really upsetting. That's the point of this movie of like yeah. So outside the police lieutenant is talking to Sam and is like wondering if this would best be handled quietly. And the lieutenant says, you know, treat this guy like a tiger. You've got to entrap him.

And Sam's like, no way. And he's like, look, I'm not advising a citizen to take the law into his own hands. I couldn't. I could never do that. I work within the law. So obviously he's implying that. Yeah. take the law into his own hands i couldn't i could never do that i work within the law so obviously he's implying that yeah um and is this does he give him the number of the private detective or is he like i know a guy yeah that's right okay um um jodan baker plays claude the pi

claude is a real dope um and it's like one of the weird like comedic moments of the he's kind of like a comedic relief and it doesn't really work it doesn't really work that's okay and yeah and not everything can work not everything and this is one of them okay yeah and then at home at dinner so he hires him then at dinner you know Lee tells

Danny look we've just hired a PI everything's fine you guys let's just have a normal summer everything's fine. You guys, let's just have a normal summer. Everything's fine. Our dog was poisoned. A guy is trailing us. It's fine. Everything's fine. He even says he's like, oh, we're not going to be nervous now. We hired a PI.

He's such a good at his job. We can be absolutely calm. The phone rings and they all jump so high that their heads go through the ceiling. It is absolutely psychotic. It goes Dutch. Danny goes, I thought we were calm now. Which is very funny.

And it's the PI calling to say that there is an unsolved crime that Katie fits the description for. Subject's on the move. He's got a ghost. This guy is like proving, you know, look, I found I dug up more information on this guy. I'm on it. I'm on it. So they go after dinner. Sam goes upstairs and calls laurie at the hospital um unfortunately his wife is watching from the doorway um he's like how are you doing he tries to cover it up

at the end by going oh yeah yeah yeah that sounds good i gotta go okay bye bye bye bye and she's livid she is very mad um she's beenvid. She is very mad. She's been waiting to have this fight, it seems, for a long time. And it revealed that this is not the first time that Sam has strayed. And in fact, it

is the reason that they moved to this county, New Essex, instead from Atlanta. She also goes like, that's why he raped that girl, right. Because you're fucking her. Like she like is on to it immediately and is like, I see what's happening. She's he says to her at this point, though, he thinks that Katie raped Ileana Douglas because she wouldn't testify against him. She's a clerk.

He knows that. Yeah. This was going to cause a rift. He's doing this on purpose to fuck with us us which is the first moment that you see this guy's really gotten into his head if he thinks that like to be so like he did this to cause this fight he's thinking how Katie thinks yeah he's like

this is like I'm I'm she's a clerk she looks up to me of course I like feed into that but that's all it is and Katie raped her because he knew she wouldn't testify. So you would think I was sleeping with her and he is winning and we can't let him

win. And you are sort of like, OK. And he's like, we can work together as a team. Let's do him sleeping on the couch. He's mad about it. He's not OK. Not OK. Then we see the P.I., the aforementioned P.I. who has been hired by Sam, and he is at a

bar. Waitress brings him his food. He's like, I didn't order food. And she's like, oh, it's that gentleman over there. Paid for by that guy. Paid for by that guy. And Katie is walking out the bar. Also, as a PI, you definitely don't want the person you were secretly tailing to buy your meal.

No, that means you're not very good. That means you're bad at your job. Yeah, exactly. And he just gets out there and tells Katie, get out of the city, get out of this county, get out of this state. And Katie's not bothered by it. He's like...

So then, Katie's rolling up on somebody we like, and this time, it's Lee. And she's never met him katie's rolling up on somebody we like and this time it's lee and she's never met him before he pulls up with the dog collar and he says here you go and he gives her this collar and she says oh my gosh thank you my dog just died actually well it has an address on it is that he's like i found this dog collar yeah and he says oh i can picture him now curling up at your feet while you finish those pesky little sketches and she's like who are you yeah i think she's like you're max katie yeah she's like oh fuck um and then yeah she's you know just basically telling him you know you can't you can't bother me whatever get the fuck out of here. Get the fuck out of here. Fuck you. And then Danny runs out saying, mom, there's someone on the phone.

And that's when it all kind of falls apart. And he has this moment of like, oh, yeah. That's my type. Yeah. Oh, that's my type. All right. Because and she because she knows now Lee knows by now that he's raped a 16 year old. He her husband told her.

So she sees she sees Danny outside and turns around is like danny get in the house like don't be out here and turns around and he is he's gone it's not good news it's not good news at all there's not a lot of good news coming no coming up um so the pi catches sam at work he says the katie made him he saw him at a place and he knows who he is um and he says look maybe we should get somebody to do a little hospital job um and three guys yeah three guys a lead pipe a bike chain hospital job and sam says look i can't i a lawyer. I can't operate outside of the law. Then I think it may be one of the scariest scenes ever. Danny is sitting alone at home and she gets a phone call and it's Katie on the phone. So we've learned at this point that she is in summer school.

She's in summer school. She's going to start the next day. And she's about to start her first day in drama class. And Katie learned this somehow. How did he learn it? I don't recall. It doesn't matter. It's important to get drama class in. In the summer.

So the reason why she has summer school, and this is important, the reason that she has summer school, she got caught smoking weed and her choices were get expelled or do summer school. And her parents were really mad at her. It was a whole thing. They chose summer school. She got caught smoking weed and her choices were get expelled or do summer school. And her parents were really mad at her. It was a whole thing. They chose summer school. So that's why she's doing it.

Little did they know it would be legal in California. Little did they know. They were so stupid. In just a mere 30 years it would be legal in California. And they live in Georgia and so it's fine. But if in 30 years. And they live in Georgia and so it's fine. Yeah, they should have waited. But if in 30 years in the future and in a different state

it would be legal. That's my biggest note. If only they'd known. They should have waited. They should have waited. So Katie calls her up on the phone. And he claims to be her new drama teacher. Which even if he were very weird phone call. And

it is a very very sexually tense conversation with a lot of flirtation and a lot of like him doing the professory kind of vibe of like i get you and no one else does like your parents oh they don't get you i bet you're frustrated i bet he talks about her like body turning into a woman's body and that that's difficult and like what let that go in your work yeah use her anger in her work and she's like he's like sorry he's like I'm sorry you know

must be tough like having to go to to summer school or whatever and she's like shit happens you know the t-shirt says which is one of my favorite that's a very good part of this movie is she is a 100% 15 yeah it's really amazing

they're not trying even a little bit to be like she's like kind of she's not she's a she's a child dorky ass retainer wearing 15 year old girl right and that's what he wants and it's nasty and we haven't seen physically seen him in this conversation until you cut to him and he is hanging

upside down in his apartment. One of those pull up bars like upside down. Doing pull ups while he's talking to her. And he says she's like so I'll see you tomorrow right in room whatever whatever and he says actually class has been moved to the theater. Not good.

Then the next day at school she's in an all white super super tight outfit she is excited to be there she goes down to the basement no one comes with her dark always getting down to the theater getting the sense that maybe drama class isn't down here today she's definitely not feeling seems like an empty confident in this choice yeah seems like an empty room. Yeah, she doesn't feel great. It's spooktacular. And then they go, she goes inside the theater and inside a

Hansel and Gretel house on the stage, like a set, there's Katie and he's smoking a joint and she's like, you can't smoke grass in school. And he's like, he's his inhibitions officer some and she's like you can't smoke grass in school and he's like eases inhibitions office um officer some and she's like can't handle it and he's like i think we're alone now and she's like

oh wow he's cool he knows tiffany and so he uh she takes a hit she takes a hit he puts it out on his tongue and she's like whoa ow She can't believe it Then he just basically talks to her like she's an adult If you're talking to a child like they're an adult It's just the like fake thing of like You know what you're doing And talks about smoking weed and it's like

That's a crime that's not even a crime I bet your parents were so mad at you when you got caught They don't get it man I fucking get it She says where are you from? And he says, I'm from the Black Forest. And she says, you're not the drama teacher,

are you? And he says, maybe I'm the big bad wolf. And she's like, she sort of starts crying. You're the guy that's been hanging out around the house. She's like, I'm really scared. You killed my mom's dog. And he out around the house. She's like, I killed my mom's dog. You killed my mom's dog.

And he denies doing it. He's like, no, I would never do that. And she fully believes him. She's like, oh, okay. Okay, cool. But he admits to being the guy hanging around the house. He wants her to like that. It works. Right. He's like, I'm hanging around because I like you. Right. And I'm like,

your dad isn't a good guy. And I'm just, I'm trying to help you right and I'm like your dad isn't a good guy and I'm just I'm trying to help your dad yeah you know how your dad isn't good like he got he freaked out about you smoking weed and that's not cool and like I've learned some lessons I'm trying to help your dad she says are you gonna hurt me and she says no way he says no way

Danielle and then randomly says as he said this multiple times the movie every man has to go through hell to meet his paradise and she's like oh okay um and then he's like you thought about me last night didn't you and that makes her blush so hard that her crush just said that to her and she admits that she did yeah and he asked if if it's okay if she if he puts his arm around her. No. And she gives that like, oh my God, this is so embarrassing. Yes, fine, you can do it. And so he walks up.

And instead of putting his arm around her, he takes his thumb. I watched it and I hate it. He puts it in her mouth Oh no And she clearly doesn't really know What to do with it So he does it twice So he pulls it out

And she didn't really know she kind of sucked on it And the second time perfectly Pitch perfectly she both sucks on it And also doesn't want it in her mouth It's very clear. But she is really enjoying the sexual attention. And then he says

goodbye. Well, he kisses her. Oh my God. Right. I'm so sorry. Then he fucking kisses her. He grabs her by the kisses. On the mouth, full tongue. She has no idea what's going on. She's like into it but not participating because she doesn't idea what's going on she's like into it but not participating because she doesn't know what's going

on and then he leaves and immediately she starts flipping out and becomes like a hurt abused child and like starts crying and freaking out and like runs out of there like it's so it is exactly how it is like she's like caught up and is like oh I think he's

hot I don't know he's paying attention to me yeah I'm into it and then he leaves and she's just like oh fuck this was not okay yeah it's bad it's bad oh my god it's so upsetting it's so upsetting it's so hard to watch so cut to home Sam clearly

knows what happened at school today and he calls the PI and says look let's we're gonna do the hospital job he followed my daughter what the hell is this and the PI is like you told me to watch him nights like this the day time I'm like fuck man I don't know meanwhile cut to the PI

he's putting Jim Beam and Pepto Bismol into a mug because that's his drink and he's done it he does it again later he does it again later it's disgusting he's not good nasty yeah um then Sam's And he's done it. He does it again later. He does it again later. It's disgusting. He's not good. Nasty. Yeah. Then Sam's at a diner and Katie is there, too. And he's waxing poetic about life. And he says that he's going to be that like Sam's going to be hurting like you wouldn't

believe and that he's going to be forced to understand commitment. It's just like yet another scene where it's Katie's intimidating Sam. Yeah. And that's when sam threatens him and he's like he's yeah he goes like hey you want to leave town before tomorrow like you want to leave town tonight or you're going to be hurting like you wouldn't believe and katie goes and this is the point i was like oh no katie goes say that one more time. Repeat that. And he goes, leave town tonight or you're going to be hurting like you wouldn't believe. And he was like, OK, thanks.

See ya. I don't feel good about that. So we're now we're at the hospital job, you guys. It's happening. There's three dingoes with a lead pipe and a bike chain are descending on Max Katie. And Sam has the bright idea to hide behind a dumpster and watch it all happen. So stupid. It's really that's that's is one of my big notes that that wasn't that wasn't like the slickest, coolest.

Yeah, that was very stupid. Stay home for this one. Yes. Just wait for the phone call, my dude. They so these three guys are descending on Max. They start beating him. It seems like they're winning. Looks like it's going well.

But you know what? This guy's been working out in jail for 14 years. Working and reading. Exercising his body and his mind. He's become the perfect man. And so he takes a turn and he starts winning. Yeah, he starts. He like takes their lead pipe. He's beating the shit out of them.

And he's like been bloodied. Like he's got like his shirt is like he's fucked up but he also does not care. And he starts beating the shit out of all of them. And then there's some noise by the dumpster. Sam sees it happening he's like oh this this changed and he goes to get up and like kicks a can yeah he does something

real obvious it's like scooby-doo level like i'm over here max is like counselor counselor yeah i don't really remember what happens he starts like walking towards him and like saying things to him like i can't be brought down counselor it's not gonna go like this and like making this big old speech and he like starts walking forward as like and as he gets so and sam is like freaking the fuck out as he gets close he just finally goes like feel there doesn't even matter and like throws the lead pipe and just leaves. Just leaves. Because he has something bigger planned.

Yep. He does not care to get him in that moment. Oh boy. But it is very scary. So the next day, Sam's talking to his colleague and he goes like, hey, call this guy. This guy is an amazing lawyer. Get him on your side to to like i don't know fucking expedite oh he's trying to expedite the restraining order yeah he's like i've got this

guy's like this shit is about to get out of control um so that he calls the lawyer and he's like my my colleague said you're the best lawyer i can get. Played by Gregory Peck. Played by Gregory Peck. And he goes. But he goes, my colleague told me you're the best. I need you to help me get a restraining order against Max Cady. And as soon as he says his name, the lawyer goes, oh, I'm sorry. I can't be having this conversation. Oh, boy.

Max Cady put me on retainer as of this morning. So I can't help you. I'm so sorry. I can't even have this conversation. And I have a meeting with him right now. So I guess I'll get more information anyway. See you. Bye.

Hangs up. Oh, boy. They go to the trial for the restraining order. And guess who was taping a certain conversation we had earlier. In which Sam was threatening Max with pain. With pain. And we look at Max Katie in the trial and he's just had the shit beat out of him

by the hospital job and he's playing the victim so now the implication is Sam threatened him Sam beat the shit out of him and now he's got a restraining order against Sam instead of against Sam and now Sam

is on threat of being disbarred because he threatened and beat the shit out of a man so it seems oh no things are not oh no things are not looking good this is not going well things continue to not go well and i'm just gonna have to tell you that yeah that's true i'm worried um he goes through his pi friend amped up he wants a gun uh pi walks him through the consequences of what it would mean to like shoot somebody and he's like god i just you need to just come you need to come be at my house we've got to like set a trap here um yes because so they so he's like if you shoot him you're going to jail like if you kill shoot

and kill him you're going to jail regardless Like if you kill, shoot and kill him, you're going to jail regardless. Right. But if he trespasses on your property and then you shoot him, then you're fine. And he's about to have to go to North Carolina for his potential disbarment hearing. And it's mandatory. And he was like, and Katie knows it's mandatory. Katie knows you're going to have to leave town. So he'll only enter your house if he knows you're out of town. So if we make him think you're out of town, he comes in, we shoot him. Then you're fine.

A foolproof plan. Yeah, a foolproof plan. Perfect. So the family drives him to the airport and they pretend like he's getting on the plane. We think, I mean, we kind of think maybe he is getting on the plane. Turns out, we see, we cut to them back at home. He's getting out of the car. He's getting out of the truck. Hiding in the trunk. Oh boy. So they got him.

They got him. I don't know why I said that. He got himself home. He got himself home. So the PI sets up traps all through the house. So he sets up a trap being so he puts like fishing line against all the doors and windows okay and ties them to like a little teddy bear today teddy bear and so if the teddy bear moves any single door

window opens the teddy bear will move he'll be able to know that katie is has entered the house yeah okay spooktacular again foolproof and spooktacular and spooktacular. And spooktacular. So everyone goes to bed. P.I.'s downstairs. The teddy bear moves. He goes towards the movement. It's nothing. It's just a shutter. He closes the shutter.

The window's opening the window. Then all of a sudden, Nick Nolte, the actor, jolts up and he says to his wife, I feel like he's already in the house. already well we have this weird scene this weird again like hitchcocky moment he opens his eyes and oh right and i and fucking max katie is standing there staring at him smoking his cigar and he like blinks super hard and opens his eyes he's gone but then he wakes his wife up and he goes I just had the craziest feeling that he is already inside her house so downstairs the PI is checking the remaining

doors and windows and just you know double checking everything he sits down at the table to pour himself a lovely Jim Bean and Pepto Bismol Graciela the maid is mopping the floor he's like talking to her he's like oh Graciela crazy night huh yep and Graciela the maid is mopping the floor. He's like talking to her. He's like, oh, Graciela.

Crazy night, huh? And Graciela turns around and Graciela is not Graciela. Oh, shit. It is. Max Katie a la Mrs. Doubtfire. Max Katie dressed up as Graciela.

And it is fucking scary. He's wearing her hair, so you know where he got it. Oh no, he's wearing a scalp. A Hannibal Lecter style scalp. And he kills the PI with the missing piano wire. Strangled.

In the hubbub, the PI shoots his gun. Nick Nolte, the actor, hears it. He runs downstairs with his family and sees well so they hear the gunshot from upstairs in the bedroom and they're like oh

fuck no no and he starts calling out for the PI he's like hey his name is Kersick Kersick Kersick no answer one of them I think Lee looks out the window and sees Max Maxie Maxie running. So they like know that Max Katie's not in the house anymore. Yeah.

So they go downstairs, see two bodies. Graciela and Graciela. The daughter comes. Danny comes down. She starts screaming because she loved Graciela. She talks about the Robo Olympia. Yeah. One of the worst things that happens in this movie is that Nick Nolte

and worst and craziest but also kind of realistic in a moment like this. He comes down and checks on the PI to see if he's really dead even though the entire floor is covered in blood. And he fucking

slip and slides everywhere with the blood. And his wife comes and tries to help and it is like a comedy of errors where they're all like they're like screaming covered in other people's fresh dead blood and it is it's like that Park Stratocaster

scene when they're all on the ice skating rink and they're all trying to get to the podium on the ice skating rink they just start it's like it's it's really awful cut to they're in a car driving away they're gone baby they're going to cape fear and he says something about like technically yes we're fugitives because you can't flee a murder scene we had to get the fuck out of town yeah this was not good and he um they're at this, like, market. Gas station situation. Yeah, and he's on a phone booth call,

and he's like, yeah, we had to get away. We're like, yes, we're fugitives. But, like, he's starting to see, he's starting to see that, like, legally, this is not good. And that's what the genius of this movie is that in this moment, you are lulled into a false sense of security because you believe that the worst thing that could happen is that in this moment you are lulled into a false sense of security because you believe that the worst

thing that could happen is that he is like going to be responsible for these crimes in this moment you feel such relief there's no music it's just they're breezy they're walking around they walk to the car

I'm oh my god say it they walk to the car. I'm. Oh, my God. Say it. They walk to the car. They drive. They put the groceries in. They drive away. The camera doesn't move. It just stays.

It's a locked off shot. And under the car. Strapped to the chassis of the car is Max. He is under. He is literally under car engine of the car. And I... Wait, okay. The Simpsons does a whole fucking episode.

Yes, about Cady. Yes, I watched it last night. And Sideshow Bob is... Yes. It's all coming together. And that's based on that. Yeah. I truly...

And I haven't seen that episode of The Simpsons. When I was watching this, I... Literally, my jaw dropped. Is that the end? No. Oh, my God, no. I kind of wish it was the end. It would be cool. But I truly, when I saw him in the car, I truly was, I almost sent you guys a picture

of me just being like, like, I truly was like, no! Like, you know it's not over you know he's coming back but seeing him under the fucking car was so insane they're driving to Cape Fear driving to the houseboat they haven't even gotten to fucking Cape Fear yet that's how far away

we are from the end of this movie don't worry I only have one more paragraph left okay Kathleen only has one more paragraph left so we're getting to the houseboat. We get on the houseboat. Yeah. And it's tense, you guys. It's not a fun, happy family time.

I would imagine not. Truly, I don't know why I choose to have a houseboat. Oh, but there is a funny moment. So he gets, so they park and they get on the houseboat. And then Max Cady unstraps himself from under the car and like gets out. He's like wearing all camo. And he gets out from under the car and like stands up. And it's all camo and he gets out from under the car and like stands up and it's like he looks like he

I mean it's hot and covered in car oil and dust and dirt and has like scabs from being like under the car but he doesn't fucking care and he gets out and he stands up and he looks and a woman across the street sees him do that and looks at him crazy and he's just like yeah that's me and just like goes

to the bathroom and cleans himself up and doesn't fucking care and gets ready for the next part ready for the next part um so the big part they're in uh they're in the the houseboat they're i wouldn't say they're having fun i would say they're a little bit nervous um the weather's not so good um it's raining really hard and kind of stormy and things are kind of knocking the boat around. And he goes to untie

down the boat. Put down the anchor. Put down the anchor. Yeah, because they're settling in for the night. And she says as he's going up, we're going to make some tea. And it's also raining really hard. At one point they hear a noise and they look out and he's like oh no it's just sheets of rain

it's not it's not just sheets of rain but they think it's just sheets of rain he goes to put the anchor down and unfortunately the anchor is no longer there the line not not nope oh just kidding I'm sorry the anchor's down but Max Cady

pulls him up from the roof arm around Cady pulls him up from the roof. That's right. I'm so sorry. Arm around his throat, pulls him up onto the roof, strangling him. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Max Cady is on the boat or in the water? On the roof of the houseboat. Okay, okay.

So when we earlier heard a noise and then he looked down and was like, oh, it's just rain. It wasn't. It was Max Cady getting onto the roof. Getting onto the boat. Got it. So he goes to lower the anchor. He does it.

And as he turns around, Max Cady strangles him, pulls him up onto the roof, knocks him out, hog ties him. Then he goes down into the houseboat and talks to his friends, the girls. Yeah. Max Cady walks in and is like, hello. Hello, ladies. Hello, ladies. I'm here. They are not happy.

No. I imagine not. He is having a direct conversation with Danny and so she is playing this flirtation and hard to know if it's knowing flirtation or whatever. She loved Graciela. She loved Graciela. And is not happy that Graciela was murdered. Right. Right. Right. Right. Probably a turning point

for her. And as she's kind of flirting with him, all of a sudden she has this crazy turn. She takes the boiling water and pours it on Max. She like throws it in his face. And it's boiling water, so he should react. And it's like in his face. It's in his face and all over his body. He doesn't react? He does not react.

I don't like that. I don't either. I really don't like it either. And he goes, oh, you wanted to serve me something hot. He takes a flamethrower and as he is a flamethrower, that's not what it is. A flare. It was a flare. And as he is discussing

the many pains that he has gone through in his life, he lights the flare and boiling wax is pouring down his hand. And he's just holding it up, not reacting. And he grabs Dani and he throws her into the hole. He is making a lot of comments about he locks her like where the life vests are. He locks the daughter down in the hole and is now getting ready to rape the mother.

The mother. And then as he's going to, he pulls back a curtain and you see that Nick Nolte's face is smushed up against the window so that he would have to watch his wife being raped by Max. And inside the hole hole we see that Danny is she's found some lighter fluid so we're glad about that

she's lighting a bunch of matches to try to see she's being really smart and seeing like what is down here what can I use she's locked in but she's just like what can I find find some lighter fluid sort of like tucks it into her waistline of her pants and hides it under her shirt okay but he is starting to try to rape Lee also.

Right. How does Sam get into the houseboat again? He brings Sam in. So when he comes into the houseboat, he, she, Lee is immediately like, my husband has a gun. And he was like, oh, this gun? And he has taken the gun.

And has it in his, he has it in the back of his waist, waistband of his pants. So when he's on top of her trying to rape her she starts like grabbing for it he gets up and he's like I see what you're trying to do why don't we bring your husband in here so he then goes out and like grabs Sam and brings him in and is

like oh you're about to essentially watch me rape your wife and daughter yeah so then he brings then he brings her out. From under the hole. And he tells them to take off. Well, he takes. He handcuffs them together.

Handcuffs them together. And then. And then Lee does this whole fucking crazy thing where she's like, listen, ever since I met you. I really have been thinking a lot about you and the troubles that you've gone through. And it must just be so hard to be you and I relate and I've had troubles so and she does this long appeal and the conclusion of it is

so because of that don't rape her just rape me just rape me don't rape my daughter please because you and I have this connection I feel connected to you doesn't work he gets them to get down on their knees and ask them to take off their clothes and he's as he's lighting a cigarette Danny takes the lighter fluid he gets them to get down on their knees and ask them to take off their clothes. And as he's lighting a cigarette,

Danny takes the lighter fluid and sprays it. And he catches on fire. His whole face and upper body just like huge flames. He jumps into the water. Yeah. At some point here or before, who yeah uh sam nick nolte the actor cuts the cuts the um rope holding down to the anchor right um and so fucking max katie burned jumps in the water sinking down you just see one shot of a hand

reaches up and grabs the rope frayed edge of the rope that is still connected to the boat this motherfucker will not die he will not die because he has nothing to live for so why would he let himself die so then he's back up on the boat he's got him you know at gunpoint i guess he like crawls back up and he does a mock trial of sam and it and we should also point out his face looks burned and melted he looks not nasty and he does this mock trial where he prosecutes sam for not defending really defending him when that was the job that he was meant to have right um and he uh he speaks directly to camera as if the camera like the audience members the jury were the jury yeah which is a little on the nose but frankly

i kind of like it in the moment i think it's kind of fun and um he's holding a gun to sam's face um the somehow the girls managed the girls, they managed to unhandcuff themselves. Yeah. Basically what happens now is the storm that we had seen coming has now gotten bad and they're not anchored to the ground. Right. So

the storm itself, I think, starts throwing them around. And as he's like trying to intimidate them, he's dad is like, please let me drive this boat. We're gonna all get killed. We're all gonna die. And as he's like trying to intimidate them, he's the dad is like, please let me drive this boat. We're going to all get killed. We're all going to try to drive the boat. And he's like,

don't know, like keep the trail going. So they start getting thrown around at some point. They get thrown off the boat. No, Danny and, and Lee jump off the boat. They're like,

we have to escape when we can jump into the water. Fuck it. And they both jump off the boat. They're like, we have to escape when we can. Jump into the water. Fuck it. And they both jump off. Nick Nolte, the actor, can't because he's handcuffed. He ends up being handcuffed or something. Right. And it's basically like a washer dryer

situation of the boat starts flipping over and over. They're over flipping they're fighting each other they're punching each other they're flipping there's a gun it's the craziest sequence now it's just the two of them on a flipping boat in the middle of a storm yeah um who's gonna get tossed out who knows who knows somehow again where do these handcuffs come from? Who knows? Sam handcuffs Katie's leg to a pole. Yeah. And then, yeah, the boat literally gets, like, chopped up in the water as if it's, like, going through a fucking, like, wood chipper.

Yeah, it's nuts. And it's just this metal pole left, and they both get thrown onto the shore. But Max Katie's leg is handcuffed to this pole, and it starts sinking into the water. And then, no guns left, so they just start beating each other with boulders. Huge rocks. Huge ass, gigantic. Throwing rocks at each other.

Um, and you think one gives the final blow, and then you think the other gives the final blow, and finally... And Cady's, like, laughing. He is not. He does not feel pain. He is extremely terrifying. And then Nick Nolte, the actor, deals the final blow. Picks up this huge boulder.

Because Max, Katie's like lying on the ground. Yeah. And you think he's about to smash his head mid-Somar style. Yeah, yeah. With a big old rock. He goes to smash it. I'm not positive because I closed my eyes. So he goes to smash his head. And he does

hurt him, but it also dislodges the piece of the boat from the shore. And the shore, they're floating away and floating away. He's floating away. Max Cady's now like in the middle of the water tied to this pole. He's floating away. Max Cady's now like in the middle of the water tied to this pole. He's being dragged along. He lifts his head up.

You think he's dead? He lifts his head up and he starts speaking in tongues. And this is the point at which I was like acting is crazy. Tell me more. I want to know every detail. This is where I'm interested. It is. It's he I mean he is overtaken. If he weren't Robert De Niro if this okay if this was this man's first movie everyone would be like okay sir. Alright man It's he. I mean, he's overtaken. If this OK, if this was this man's first movie, everyone would be like, OK, sir.

All right, man. That's crazy. Too big of a swing. Yeah. But because he's fucking Robert De Niro. It works. You buy it. You buy it.

It's fucking cool because he really feels, as he said in the movie multiple times, like you have to go through hell to reach your paradise. Like I've gone through hell and I'm I'm going to meet the kingdom of God. Like I am there. Right. Yeah. This is my time. He felt as though he was ascending into heaven.

This is him reaching oblivion. Yeah. He dealt God's hand. This is like Jesus camp before Jesus camp. Before Jesus camp. They almost called it Jesus camp, but they knew it would be taken. And then as it floats off and he's still speaking in tongues. And he's like like he's sinking

he's clearly like about to drown there's no way around it and he keeps then he's talking straight to sam more just intimidating shit and then you just a beautiful shot of just seeing underwater his ankle pull the um handcuff up to the the highest point on the pole and then he just goes down into the water. Like he gets away off of the pole. No, no, no. He finally drowns. He sort of goes up. He fights it as long as he can and then it's just like, oh, you're

just going to sink and he drowns. And the family. They all find each other somehow. They find each other on the shore. They're alive. They all hug.'re all okay they look crazy and then this is the last part of the movie the last two lines this is the craziest part of the movie and this is the part of the movie that made me when i texted you guys after i was like this movie's fucking wild it is because of this final set of lines with danielle yeah so

danny goes just voiceover over all of this that we got at the beginning seems she says we never spoke about what happened at least not to each other we never spoke about what happened i'm sorry we never spoke about what happened i see what you mean that that's a little weird. That's a little weird. We're hearing this line as they sit on a muddy shore. Like rediscovering their family being alive. Hugging. A huge thing just happened. Huge. It's very big.

Never spoke about what happened. How is that possible? Well, I'll tell you why she says fear i suppose that to remember his name and what he did would mean letting him into our dreams and me i hardly dream about him anymore still things won't ever be the way like they were before he came and that's all right because if you hang on to the past you die a little every day and for myself i know i'd rather live and then she literally says the end and it zooms in on her eyes and it's weird spectacular spooktacular um this movie blew my fucking mind wow it sounded crazy and honestly terrifying

it's very very scary real life terrifying OK, I do have a question about this. Robert De Niro really wanted to make this movie, huh? It is. It is alarming to want to play this role, but you should watch it. But all actors get it like actors want to play weird things. And also like you don't leave this movie being like, well,

I see where he's coming from. You're like, oh, Max is a horrible demon. Like, you know, yeah. Watching this a horrible demon like you don't yeah watching this i was like especially the moment in the hospital with with um uh what's what is her name eliana douglas um laurie it is so relevant to what the conversation still is and so it doesn't it was actually i was very surprised when i read the description of this movie was like, oh, it's about like a rapist. That's going to be not good.

I mean, it's not good, but it's great. It's great. But but it does. It doesn't diminish that crime. If anything, it really, really makes us feel worse about it. If anything, it makes it more frustrating that it's still the problem that it is. I mean, the fact

that people are still having to use that same reasoning for not telling people that what's actually happened to them is because the same thing will happen to them. It's been 30 years and it's the same fucking situation and it's depressing

it is depressing it is depressing i'm so sorry let's end the podcast and it's it's depressing wow um kathleen thank you thank you for um giving me a reason to watch this movie and and you know it it wasn't it's scary in a real way it wasn't scary in a way that I couldn't watch it. But I think because of how scared I was and then I still did it. It was a growth moment for me. I think so. And maybe next time I'll be able to do even more. Wow.

Henley, are you going to watch this movie? Yes. Tonight when I go home. You guys, I know you can't see Henley, but it's clear from looking at her that she's actually not going to go see the movie tonight. I'm unconvinced. She's putting on my jacket and my backpack and I'm out the door already.

She started the movie on her phone. She has a DVD copy of Cape Fear in her hands. Ouch. And watching it already. I'm going to get in my Dodge Caravan with a DVD. She has her chauffeur in my Dodge Caravan with a DVD. She has her chauffeur driving the Dodge Caravan so she can watch on the DVD

player from the back seat. Should we end it with Max Cady's voice? I'm going to teach you a thing or two about laws. Thank you, counselor laws Thank you counselor Thank you counselor We haven't mentioned exactly how many times he says counselor

87,000 times Kathleen thank you so much As mentioned you're our favorite guest And you're the reason for this podcast I'm really not Definitely not the reason for this podcast But I'm glad to be there I'm a factor in the butterfly effect.

In the butterfly effect? Yes. I'm one flap of a wing. You're the flap of a wing, baby. Exactly. And we love you. I love you guys very much. What a treat.

What a treat. I'd also like to just mention, if you guys don't see from the photos, that the people that do this podcast are extremely hot women. Sorry to say it. I'm sorry, but I just think it's worth mentioning, like, you guys don't really get it, but, like, they're all very, like, kind of, like,

hot, hot women. Just smoking hot babes. I don't know if you guys have ever noticed in the photos. In the photos. Look at the photos. Look closer. Look closer. I know you're just listening. I know you're just listening. But look closer. Imagine what they look like too it's pretty hot all right thank you counselor okay thank you counselor thanks counselor from all of us here goodbye thank you counselor

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