Too Scary; Didn't Watch - CARRIE with Mary Holland

Episode Date: March 23, 2022

The Power of Christ, pigs blood, hand-sewn capelets and an unhealthy amount of teen bullying, we're recapping 1976's CARRIE! Our guest this week is the hilarious Mary Holland (The Woman In The House, Physical, Senior Year) -- she's so delightful she might even convince us to end our beef with Stephen King (no promises)! You're not gonna want to miss her perfect southern accent and insider tips on how to develop your own telekinesis powers :oTrailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9Mg-GRS46YYou can rent Carrie on Amazon Recap begins @ 25:07 Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily, and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley, and I'm also too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. And Sammy's not here this week. That gaping silence. Gaping silence.

Gaping hole in our lives and day today. She's at a wedding. We wish her the best. We wish her and the couple the best. Oh, yeah. Right. The couple too. All the We wish her the best. We wish her and the couple the best. Oh, yeah. Right. The couple, too. All the best to them.

And so she'll be back. She just sometimes you got to take a little time to celebrate. And we are happy for her to do that. And happy for the couple, as said before. But Henley, just us. Just us. How are you? I'm good. Did anything scary happen to you this week, Henley? So, okay., it's just us. How are you? Just us. I'm good.

Did anything scary happen to you this week, Henley? So, okay, so here's the thing. This concept about did anything scary happen to me? Oh, we're breaking it down to the concept? Means that I cannot do what I would love to do, which

is to give a recommendation. And I give a recommendation! It's what I always want to do, but now to give a recommendation. And I always want to do. But now that we're saying like something scary, I guess the scary thing is how much I loved this show. You know what I mean? I always have to do something corny like that. No, I like it. Or you could say it's scary to me that anybody might not know about this show.

And so I'm going to tell you. I should have workshopped this offline and then I could have fed it in organically. It's nice to let people into the process sometimes. Yep. Front row seat to the process.

Okay. So what I want to shout out is the fact that one of our guests, Oscar Montoya, Oh, yes. is in a show that I watched last night. Two

episodes on HBO Max called Minx. So Oscar did Attack of the Killer Clowns. Killer Clowns from Outer Space. God damn it. I did that last time too. You did it last time too. However it lives in your brain is fine, but that is wrong. It's Killer Clowns from Outer Space.

I like that. I just keep doing it. Outer Space is like a huge part of the whole deal, you know? Yeah, absolutely. So that's really important. Anyway. So I remember when he was on, we kind of like talked about it briefly. And then I saw on his social media that he was going to be in an upcoming HBO show. And then last night, my husband, Tim, was recommending that we watch the show Minx. And I was like, sure, whatever. I don't know what that is. I was watching it. And I was like, holy shit. I know who that is.

That's Oscar. And it's so good. My expectations were really exceeded. It exceeded my expectations completely because I didn't know about it at all. And I feel like I wasn't sure about the whole like going into watching a show about the porn industry. That's all I knew. And then I was like, Oh, no, this completely surprised me. I thought the writing was excellent. The acting was excellent. It was like so beautifully in the world. So funny. So funny. And I just loved it. And I can't wait to watch the rest of the season. And I can't wait to watch the rest of the season. And I can't believe that Oscar's in it. And so I was so happy to see him.

He's an absolute star. He really is. I haven't seen Minx yet. I'm very excited, too. I'm very behind on watching. You know that I have a really hard time watching things and starting anything new. It is on my list. I'm sure that Oscar's amazing in it because he is such a talent the wardrobe is outstanding

the wardrobe is so fun i'm very interested in this world i started watching um uh joel and i started watching pam and tommy the other night finally um which i feel like i'm a little bit conflicted about watching because didn't pam Anderson not want it to be made? And so that I'm like, I don't know, because here's the deal. And I know I don't know why she wanted me. I don't know how she feels about it now that it was. It's crazy to me that you can make a show about somebody's life if they're alive and being like, please don't. It's like we don't we just sorry.

I don't care if it's your life. Doesn't matter. We're going to make the show, which is like, how is that? How strange to me. But I also watched it and I've only watched the pilot. But it made me very interested in the porn industry

and it made me and this might be the reason why I shouldn't want it to be made because it did make me think like, I want to watch that sex tape. Oh, it made me feel that way too. I totally want to watch the sex tape. How could I not? I want to watch it. But I think my feeling is, in general,

I cannot, no matter how much I want to, I will not let myself ever watch a sex tape or nudes or anything that was released without that person's consent. That stuff feels very bad. No matter how... I mean, it's like

I could be the only person left in the world who hasn't watched the Pam Anderson sex tape, and I really want to, but I won't if that's not what she wants. Joel said that maybe they re-released, like she re-released one with her own, because I don't know. I'm going to look into it. I don't know. Anyway,

I find the porn, I think that's such an interesting world to set a show in. And it's like in the 70s too right oh we're gonna talk about the 70s today baby we're gonna talk about i got a lot of thoughts about the 70s and it is applicable to our film today but before before we do that um did anything scary happen to you this week? Thank you, Henry. I was thinking about how to ask it of myself. Thank you so much. No, not really.

But except that. What if that was all you said? Thanks for asking, though. Sometimes it's just nice to be asked. Thanks for asking though. Sometimes it's just nice to be asked. My internal clock is really messed up this week because of daily savings time. And just, I don't know, you know, it just is. And we're going to stop. I have a couple questions about daylight savings time.

We're going to stop doing it in 2023, right? That passed. That's happening. But where does it stay if we do that i thought it was i thought it was permanently this one it's got to be it's permanently because permanently the other one would be sad right we're not going to do that well i've heard conflicting reports about this because actually it's probably better for us to do the other one and i like the really clear scientific way we're explaining this hey and if you're listening to this at a time that's not currently you know march 20 22 figure it out which one's this one which one's that one so this one is this one is daylight savings time has started. This is an action. And the other option is for it to not be an action.

And so for us to not be gaining that extra hour of light towards the end of the day. And what I read was that teenagers are the ones that suffer from this the most. Oh, because it's dark when they're going to school. Yeah, they have to get up super early already and that's like really fucking with them and they're like not wanting to.

So why don't we just make them not go to school so early? Yeah, I don't know. That seems so obvious. That feels like a more reasonable thing to do. Yeah, but everyone seems no one wants to do anything reasonable these days. You know what I mean? Are we getting political? No. Remember when we used to talk about

politics a lot on the podcast and a lot of people did not like it. No, they did not like it. But they were not happy. They were like one star. These ladies think they know about politics. We got some reviews. We got some reviews. I don't listen to podcasts.

People talk about current events. Sorry. Sorry. But here's the deal. I haven't fucking looked at the news in like a year and a half. So like serves me right. Truly, since Trump has been out of office, like someone reminded me of trump the other day and i was like well i blacked that out i don't remember anything huge span of of our lives i'm not i'm not supporting

that but i do have to say i stopped looking at the news um okay wait were you gonna say something else that's scary i was gonna say something else which is that my internal clock has been messed up. I've woken up really early, which is not what daily savings is supposed to do. But I have to wake up really early for work on Thursdays and Fridays. And so I think because of the consecutive days, then like Saturday and Sunday, which should be the days I sleep in, I woke up really early for me, which is like 7.15. That's early. I woke up at 7.15 on a Saturday and a Sunday but like was up. Like there was no going back to sleep.

It just wasn't happening. And I guess what's scary is how much you can accomplish if you wake up at 7.15 and have a whole day. I couldn't believe I can't believe the amount of things I accomplished this weekend. Yesterday, woke up at

7.15, fully, we like went out to breakfast Went to the flea market, cleaned our entire Apartment, like cleaned our entire Like fully, like deep clean, like Joel was Like taking all the things off the stove And like scrubbing all the stuff, we were completely Done by 3.30, and I was like what Is happening, and then you add in the

Extra hour of light, and it was like we have a whole other Day left and we've done all this shit, today I rewatched the Ent entire movie for today and took notes and tailored a pair of pants it's 12 o'clock like what i'll never do it on purpose because waking up i would love to sleep in but like wow here's the thing before i had a kid if i woke up early which i did a lot i would have a full like existential crisis with not knowing how to fill my time. Like it's like, oh my God, I am up at 6am. Like, what do I fucking do with myself? This is terrible. Put me back to sleep. I want to be sleeping. I don't want to be

active in the world. That sounds terrible. Now I have a kid and I don't have that problem because he's awake all the time. Or the choice. Yeah. Yeah. But I feel you. I understand completely. This is really astounding. Mm-hmm. I know a lot of people wake up early and exercise.

Like, that's what I think a lot of people do that early in the morning. My husband, Tim, Tim's brother, Will, shout out to Will. Hi, Will. He wakes up at 5 a.m. every day. Yeah, she told me that, he wakes up at 5 a.m. every day. Yeah, she told me that. That's horrifying. 5 a.m. 5 a.m., though. That's not good.

How? It's too much. It's too much. That's like a sickness. I agree. I really agree. Because that's like, that's just,

you should want to be asleep. Mm-hmm. You know? Mm-hmm. Yeah. I don't know. He's just exercising. He's working.

He's getting a lot done. Well, good for Will. Okay. Okay. Let's get into this movie. Let's get into this movie. Okay. So, okay.

So, Sammy's not here this week. So, I had to watch the movie and I was nervous. I was nervous about it. But guess what? I did it. And I also think anybody could. And maybe, maybe anybody should. And this week's movie is Carrie, the original.

Is there a remake? There was a remake, was a remake right okay so it's the original carrie it came out in 1976 so we're gonna talk about the 70s as i mentioned it's written by lawrence d cohen based on the novel by stephen king uh was directed by b De Palma, who we're also going to talk about, starring Sissy Spacek, Piper Laurie, Amy Irving, William Catt, John Travolta, Nancy Allen, Betty Buckley. And it's available to stream, rent. You have to pay for it on Amazon Prime. But oh, but when I went to rent it this week, they said coming to Prime in 13 days. So if you by the time this episode comes out, it'll be like, you know, like coming to Prime in like nine days. So if you really want to wait and not rent that $3.99, you can watch it on Prime in about nine days.

And I'm very, very excited. We have a guest here to talk about this movie with us. I'm so thrilled to have the wonderful Mary Holland. Hi. Hi, Mary. Hi, hi, hi. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

The pleasure is ours, hi. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here. The pleasure is ours, Mary. The pleasure is mine, and it's exclusively mine. Okay, that's pretty rude. Mary, how are you? Did anything scary happen to you this week? Did anything scary happen to me this week? Well, yes, actually. Last night, I, we have just moved into a new place. We've been here just a few months

and we were asleep. It was 5 a.m. A good time to be asleep. Exactly. And I thought to myself, I'm going to be asleep during this time. And then, but then I wasn't. Then I woke up and I heard a tap, tap, tap from outside the window.

No. Behind our bed. No. This is such a classically scary thing. It was really scary. And I went to our bathroom. Alone? Did you wake up mad?

Oh, no, no, no. I went alone. And i thought to myself listen two birds one stone i peed and then i also opened the window because it faces the same like there's like a little um uh it's not an alley but it's like a courtyard a like side yard area next to like right behind where our bedroom window is. And then the window in the bathroom faces that same area. So I was like, this is what I'll do. I'm going to have a pee.

I'm going to peek my head outside. I'm going to see what I can see. Nothing there. Nothing there. And it was super quiet. And then I got back in bed and then I heard the tap, tap, tap again. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no.

And then Matt did wake up and he used the bathroom and he got back in bed and I was like, I've been hearing this. You hear this? Tap, tap, tap. And he was like, oh, yeah, I hear that a lot. And I was like, what a response. Okay, well, should we check on it or just leave it, I guess? I don't know. It sounds like the water heater is also right there.

So it sounds like some sort of mechanical thing. It doesn't. Or at worst case, it's a gopher. Oh. Worst case, it's a gopher. Worst case. I really thought that you were going to say ghost and then you said gopher. It's a gopher. Worst case. Worst case, it's a gopher. I really thought that you were going to say ghost, and then you said gopher. It's a gopher.

Worst case, it's a gopher. You know? That's not a terrible worst case scenario. No. No. I think we're okay. It's reassuring to get that very casual response to someone who's like, oh, yeah, now I hear it all the time.

And you're like, oh. Absolutely. Oh. Okay. Okay. I guess I shouldn't be. I guess I shouldn't be scared. Wait, Mary. I guess I shouldn't be. I guess I shouldn't be scared. Wait, Mary.

Yeah. How do you feel about scary movies? Oh, my gosh. Great question. I have. Oh, I have a real push pull relationship with them. I love. Here's the thing.

I'm so scared to see them. And then after I see them, I become really obsessed with them and i like read all these articles about them i read um like analyses about the horror movies like uh i get i i really the thing about me is that i love a world you know what i mean and a horror movie really the the really great ones do that so well where you're immersed in an atmosphere and in a vibe and in a world. And I love that so much. I'm not really drawn to like Saw part one through 50. Yeah.

Torture porny stuff. I don't really like – yeah, I don't like that. I don't like that. That doesn't do it for me. But I do love the like unsettling, I love psychological horror movies. I love all of Ari Aster's stuff. I think that they're so good, you know. Even though it's, I don't like, I don't like get horny for. Horny? I'm sorry to bring this up so early, but I just want to tell you guys like what makes me horny or not.

Tell us, tell us. Okay, okay, okay. But I don't, I don't really get, I don't enjoy just – yeah. I mean, I guess what you said is gross out stuff. Yeah. But I will sit through it and I do like it if it is serving a larger theme. Do you know what I mean? Yes. yeah you know what I mean yes I I completely know what you mean because I think that

I feel the exact same way except I'm unwilling to watch the movie I want to know everything about the movie yes and so this pocket this is a great idea because then you can exactly I want to know all the deets I want to know absolutely everything but I do not want to know all the deets. I want to know absolutely everything. But I do not want to have to visually witness any of the actual harm coming to anyone's bodies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know, you know, I, my roommate in college and I used to do a thing where we would tell each other. I remember she once told me the plot of Kill Bill because I was too scared to see it. And I love that. There's something really fun about just being

told a great story and you can just imagine it and not have to see it. Yeah, it's very great. Actually, I'm pretty sure someone told me the plot of Kill Bill as well. But you've come a long way if you're

too scared to see Kill Bill and are watching horror movies. Like Ari Aster tier horror movies too, which are very much. Yes, those are those are varsity level. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, my husband Matt is very much into them. And so I think it's also sort of like,

okay, I'm here. You'll be brought along for the yes yes what is the scariest movie you've ever seen like to you for you well my scariest movie experience my scariest

scary movie experience was when I was six years old oh no I I know all stories I was about to say was there one that you saw as a child and I was like I was six years old. Oh, no. I know. All stories start with that. I held myself up because I was about to say, was there one that you saw as a child? And I was like, I bet it's going to be that. Anyway, and so, yep, let's go.

So let's go. Buckle up. I don't remember. I remember nothing about the context surrounding this, but I remember seeing on the screen a little boy in a yellow raincoat. And he was like, it was raining. It was chasing a boat going down the side of the road. And I was like, hey, I'm a little kid.

I relate to this. This is probably for me. Yeah. So I started watching it and I was like Whoa, there's a clown in the Storm drain And then We all know what happened Is it the same in the original?

Is the remake It is pretty much the same I mean it's An arm I'm trying to remember In the remake it goes There's nothing left to the imagination.

In the original, he just opens his mouth and you get this like... So you don't really see anything happen. But you know. But you know. But you can put two and two together, even as a six-year-old. It's probably even worse as a six-year-old. Exactly. And it really

effed me up. But it started a very early obsession from a young age with Stephen King. And I sought out, oh, my gosh. I remember my friends and I would like, oh, gosh. Whoa. I haven't thought about this in a long time. Woo-hoo. Woo-hoo.

We were, I got really obsessed with it growing up. So that scared me so bad. Like I and I found out it was from this movie It and it was like this whole thing. And I became, you know, I was like 12 or something. And my friends and I would try to get Stephen King books out of the public library. But I grew up in a really small town in Virginia. And I remember we tried to check The Shining out of the public library, but I grew up in a really small town in Virginia. And I remember we tried to check The Shining out of the library and the center part of the book, like you could get a few chapters in, but then the middle chunk of the book was stapled together.

Stop it. Stop it. Yeah. Because it was too much adult stuff. Too much like scary stuff. Too much sexy stuff. Yeah, so I don't know if they... They just censored a whole chunk of the book in the library? They did. So you can see, you read the beginning, you read the end. Oh my god! So, wait, the end where he like

chases his family with an axe, you can read that part? Yeah, you could. They were like, that's fine. Because they don't know know what led to that. You know what I mean? That's a real horror. That's so much worse! Yes, I thought that was so... And I also don't know if they did that because

they're like these 12-year-old girls just want to read about because there's a lot of sex stuff in that book. But anyway, I got really obsessed with Stephen King and started I just consumed his books. And Carrie being one of them.

And yeah, I just he is a horror author that I think does the thing that I really like, which is he really makes a vibe and his ideas are so strange and scary and like kind of otherworldly sometimes.

And it's just it's cool. Well, Mary, we on this podcast historically have beef with Stephen King. Oh, historically. Historically. And to be completely honest, it's been a long time since we've talked about him. And I was trying to recall why. Henley, do you remember why? Because his book, you read a book that was boring?

How dare. Is that what it is? Is that why we don't like him? Okay, I think it was two things. One, it was just funny, the idea of us having like no one at the very beginning of this podcast. The only people who are listening are our parents. And for us to try to start beef with Stephen King, you know what I mean? It was just like a funny idea.

Yeah, that is very funny. And then the only backup was that one time I tried to read Under the Dome, and it was too long, and it got me. Oh, yeah, I haven't read that. It made me mad, and that was the only other reason I can think of. I can't.

There was a reason, but yeah, I was truly like, oh, Stephen, I was like, oh, Carrie, Stephen King, oh, that guy. And I was like, why? yeah, I was truly like, oh, Stephen King. I was like, oh, Carrie, Stephen King. Oh, that guy. And I was like, why? Why? I don't remember. Maybe also because he was like a stand-in for like male-dominated horror.

I think it was sort of that. I think it was sort of that. I think I was mad about some of the stuff that happens in It. I mean, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of stuff that doesn in it. I mean, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of stuff that doesn't age well.

Or shouldn't have been there in the first place. Okay, also there's, we watched all of Eli Roth's history of horror. Shudder presents Eli Roth's history of horror. Yeah, I love that. It's a very cool series. It's a very cool series. And Eli Roth and Stephen King

interviewed each other. And I think we were also kind of put off by that because they were both like the vibe was just like, yeah, I think it's just sort of like, hey, guys, get over yourself, which, you know, it's Stephen King is like, you know, a really big deal. But get over yourself. It's funny for us to take that

stance. Do you know what I mean? And you should. Thank you. It's really. It's just trying to be funny. We're just trying to be funny. Although I do. Now that we were talking about people who didn't who don't give us bad reviews. Why are we talking about this?

But I do. So I do remember we got a bad review once. It was like, they don't even like Stephen King. I didn't know. He's not for everybody. He's not for everybody. And also, you're you're you're you're doing a horror podcast? You're all like Stephen King. He's not for everybody. He's not for everybody. And also, you're doing a horror podcast, but you're being, you are non-horror fans. Thank you, Mary.

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Okay. Mary, speaking of Stephen King, speaking of this movie. Yeah. So do you have any particular attachment to Carrie aside from it being Stephen King? Like I want to know. And I do. And I do. Again, this was when I was 12 and I was really, ooh, you know, I was really reaching for something.

I don't know what it was, but I wanted to feel – I felt incredibly powerless in my life as I'm sure a lot of us did at that age. And in particular, I remember I like dated a guy. It's just so ridiculous. We like saw each other at school. That's how we dated. And we broke up and he was like the funniest guy in the class or whatever. And he would make fun of me a lot.

And it really, um, it really did a number on me. But, uh, but I remember reading Carrie or coming to, I think I read it, but I was like, if I had telekinesis. And I, one time I remember time I remember trying to do it. It was like early days of the internet. And I looked up a GeoCities website about how to do telekinesis. Yes. And it was like, take a toilet paper roll.

Or like the, what is that? The cardboard? Yes, the tube. Take the tube and like put something on a surface and then take the tube and look at the thing through the tube and then just focus all your mental energy on moving

that thing. What role does the tube play in this? It sort of serves to like narrow your field of vision? Yes. So you can just see that thing. And also it's like serves to like Narrow your field of vision Yes Okay So you can just see that thing Okay And also it's like Fun to like You know you can make something

Out of it after Yeah Which is really fun So I did I like I mean it must have been So ridiculous Just like

You know Preteen girl in bed Just like staring At like a Paper, trying so hard to move it. But I really thought I was like, and I think that's what Stephen King tapped into here, which is the powerlessness of being a teen girl. And what if you had this incredible power? I mean, that's what all those superhero movies do, too. But it's like, I loved it. So it really spoke to me as a preteen. That makes sense. Yeah, it's interesting. Henley, have you ever seen Carrie or read it? believe like a couple of scenes on the television when i was younger and all i remember is she has

a scary mean mom and i think that that like unlocked something for me about like horror in general which is that it's not just ghosts it's not just supernatural stuff it's also just like human relationships i love that sometimes that's the scariest absolutely absolutely yeah because he's so inescapable especially yeah she's like a kid living with her very bad wild mom and there's nothing she can do about it we we will get into that we look we're gonna get we're gonna get into it but i don't know anything else so i'm really excited to hear everything besides like you know i have some of the classic images in my head but i don't really know anything else i've never i had never seen it i'd never read it i um i'm like i can picture some of the visuals but i knew like very very little and

the things that surprised there's some things that i knew of were like um like riverdale does a sort of carrie episode so i was like i know what i know from the episode of Riverdale. So funny. And I've seen, like, you know, the classic dress covered in blood picture. But, yeah, the thing that surprised me is, like, Carrie's kind of a hero. Like, Carrie's sort of, like, I don't know. I'm very excited to get into it. I don't know. I'm very excited to get into it. Before we get into the plot of Carrie, a couple of little stats about it.

It has a 93% on Rotten Tomatoes, 85% on Metacritic, 7.4 on IMDb. Quite high for all this. These are tough. Yes. These are tough ratings to get. These are tough ratings to get. You rarely get out of the sixes on IMDb. Oh, gosh. Good luck to you.

Good luck. So 7.4, pretty good. But it was 1.8 million. Box office, 33.8 million. So congratulations. Congratulations. Huge success. It was the first movie adaptation of Stephen King's writing.

So, you know. Oh, wow. I didn't know that. It was also the first movie role for John Travolta. I did not know John Travolta was in that. That shocked me when you said that earlier. When he appears on screen, I was like, what? And what a character.

And what a character. And he's like... He's no Danny Zuko. He's no Danny Zuko. Man, young John Travolta was really something else. He's no Danny Zuko. He's no Danny Zuko. Young John Travolta was really something else. He steals the whole screen. He was something else. He steals the whole screen.

Both Sissy Spacek and Piper Laurie were nominated for Oscars for their performances in this movie. They didn't win. But they were nominated. They were nominated. It's an, but they were nominated. Well, but they were nominated. It's an honor just to be nominated. They got the nod. Okay.

Some little trivia. Man, it was hard choosing what trivia to bring up here because there is a lot of it on, check it out on IMDb.com. There's a lot and let me tell you what, a lot of it is wild! Okay. So some sort of more

standard trivia. When Sissy Spacek was preparing for her character, she isolated herself from the rest of the ensemble, decorated her dressing room with heavy religious iconography, and studied Gustave Doré's illustrated Bible. She also studied the body language of people being stoned for their sins and started or ended every scene in one of those positions. Wow! Oh my god,

that's fascinating. That's how you get that Oscar nom. Now, sissy, you're really doing it. She was doing it. She was doing it. God, that's amazing. The ending of the movie is different than the ending from the novel. I don't know what the other ending is, but I would love to find out.

And in fact, Stephen King likes the ending in the movie better than the ending in his own book. Oh, okay. Do you know the... Well, we should maybe wait till the end. We'll wait till the end to say what the ending is. I'm trying to remember what happens in the book. Oh, okay. Do you know the... Well, we should maybe wait till the end. We'll wait till the end to say what the ending is. I'm trying to remember what happens in the book. We'll see. We'll see. They use the same

music as Psycho that like... I noticed it was happening. I was like, you can do that in two different movies? You can just do that? You can just do that? Oh, yeah. They can, and they did. Sissy Spacek wasn't considered for the role of Carrie until her husband, art director Jack Fisk, convinced Brian De Palma to allow her to audition.

Until then, De Palma was wedded to the idea of Amy Irving playing Carrie. And when Spacek got the part instead, De Palma gave Irving the smaller role of Sue. Which, I mean, look, I think Amy Irving is fine, but that would suck. That would really suck. Yeah, that would be tough. That would be tough. Okay, I'll do this.

Especially because then she got nominated for an Oscar. You know. I know, that's tough. She does a great job as Sue. Oh, yeah, she's know. That's tough. She does a great job as Sue. Oh, yeah. She's great. She's great. Okay.

So the way this trivia goes, I'm sorry. This was me being like filtering out. It just is so much super crazy trivia. It gets weirder as we go. Sissy Spacek asked Brian De Palma how he wanted her to react when Carrie first realizes that she's bleeding in the showers at the start. And De Palma told her, it's like you've been hit by a Mack truck. So Spacek talked to her husband, Jack Fisk, in parentheses, art director. They really want to make sure we know that.

Who, as a child, had been run over by a car when he was standing in the streets looking at Christmas lights a neighbor had put up. Holy shit. Oh my God. That couldn't be a more innocent reason to be standing in the street. Can you believe it? So she used his description of the experience as her basis for that scene. What? Can you imagine?

In shock. Wow. And you know what? That that performance i can see that it's really who it's i can't wait to tell you about it oh my god okay and now here we're gonna enter into the area of trivia i've categorized as the 70s were bad they were bad they were bad They were bad for everybody But aesthetically Oh so good Aesthetically gorgeous Are you kidding me with those high waisted shorts Are you kidding me

The clothes the hair Everybody looked so good And everyone was having a bad time Yes it sucked It was terrible It was an awful time They felt so bad. Okay. Many of the girls present in the locker room were originally hesitant to appear nude in the film.

Yes, there is a lot of gratuitous full frontal female nudity. But after Brian De Palma showed them the nude shots of Sissy Spacek, they became more confident. What's that? What is that? She's doing it. She's doing it. She's doing it. She's getting an Oscar nom. And look at this naked woman, the star of my movie. Do you want to look at pictures of her? And then you be naked too.

So weird. That scene is so strange. So strange. I can't wait to talk about it. Oh my god. I know. Sorry. I'm just... We're close. No, no, no. No rush. No, they really did not need to be naked and that was my first... I was watching. I was like, what? There's so many naked girls here.

And then we don't. We didn't even need to see Spacey to be naked. Like as much as she was naked. But it was the 70s and they wanted them to be. Not that that doesn't still happen. It does. Okay. In a 2010 interview with the AV Club, PJ Souls, who's another actor in the movie, said that Steven Spielberg often came to the set

at Brian De Palma's invitation because De Palma told him there were a lot of cute girls down here. Stop it. Jesus Christ. Stop it. Souls said that Spielberg asked out most of the women on the set, Souls included, and Amy Irving was the only one who accepted. They were later married from 1985 to 1989.

And they had one son together. They were married. later married from 1985 to 1989. And they had one son together. And you know, Steven Spielberg, Brian De Palma, Francis Ford Coppola, all those guys hung out together. They were best friends. George Lucas. Yeah. It's so crazy to think

of these guys all just like these titans of the film industry at that time. That's horrifying. Such a boys club. literal literal boys club just this like very powerful very successful young dudes being like there's a lot of babes on my set i'm making it be naked you want to come i'm making them be naked i manipulated them into being convinced to be naked they're cute come on down ask all of them they asked not to be naked, but I said, you know what?

You should be naked. Okay. Guys, we're so close. During the filming of a scene where Mrs. Collins is yelling at the girls in gym, Brian De Palma was standing behind Amy Irving just off screen and whispering cruel and hurtful things into her ears in order to make Sue's look of misery and guilt on camera look genuine. Jesus Christ. I love it when they use techniques like that.

I love it. Psychological manipulation. We all love it. We all feel like it is. Like, what cruel and hurtful? What was he saying? And lastly, Brian De Palma wanted Betty Buckley to really slap Nancy Allen. Because Allen couldn't get the reaction that De Palma wanted,

Buckley ended up slapping her as many as 30 times. Oh my god! Side note, she later married Brian De Palma. Yes, she did. That is 30 times.

People get slapped so much in this movie. It's a slap. Yeah, it is a real slap. It's a real slap. There is so many people get slapped in the face in this movie. Oh my gosh. We're getting ready to get into it. A lot of my questions were

how much of this is the world of Carrie and how much of this is the 70s were insane. Like, it was some moments were like the way that the teachers interact with their students and like the way, I'm sort of,

like a lot of that I was like, I think this was just okay in the 70s? Yeah. I mean, I don't remember the book well enough to be able to speak to how that's depicted in the book. But I definitely feel like the 70s, I mean, there were, yes, the teachers are awful. The students are awful.

It's really creating an atmosphere for Carrie to where she's like the ultimate victim of just a terrible, terrible society. But yeah, I mean. ultimate victim of uh of just a terrible terrible society um but i yeah i i i mean teachers just grab their students in the 70s i do think that that was i think that that was they just were like grabbing them and throwing them around and yeah and also like can a teacher making fun of them like a grown woman being in a locker room with a bunch of naked underage teen girls. Like it's like, and I'm sure that was just, yeah, that was just the 70s. It was the 70s, yeah. There was a lot of stuff that I was like, this is shocking in its, like, it just is shocking. And I don't think it's trying to be in the same way that the other stuff that's trying to be shocking is shocking.

Right. It's so unsettling just as a base level. Just a base level unsettling. I know. Oh's shocking. Right. It's so unsettling just as a base level. Just a base level unsettling. I know. Oh, okay. But on that note, Mary, do you want to take us through? Heck yeah. Wait, should we watch the trailer? Should we watch the trailer? Thank you, Henley.

My goodness gracious. Okay, so we're going to watch the trailer. I will say, Henley, this is a trailer that shows the entire movie. Everything? Wait, should we not watch it? Should we watch it at the end? What do you think? You know what? We should maybe watch it at the end. Let's watch it at the end. It does show

everything. It's the entire movie. But I definitely will watch it because I'm very excited for you to see these things, Henley, because they're worth seeing. But we'll wait until the end so let's let's do the movie and we will watch the trailer at the end but if you're listening uh via the podcast which

is how podcasts are consumed you will hear the trailer right now so if you don't want to even hear it just skip ahead a little bit and then you'll be good it's the night of the senior prom the bates high school gym is alive with excitement everybody is there even carrie white the girl who lives in that creepy house with her crazy mother help us any woman see the sin of her days and ways show her that if she had remained sinless, the curse of blood would never have come on her. The girl with the strange power. If I concentrate

hard enough, I can move things. But tonight, no one will laugh at Carrie. If you don't have a date for the prom next Friday, would you like to go with me? She's with the best looking boy in the senior class. He's trying to trick me again. She'll be voted queen of the prom.

You know, I can make sure that you don't hurt Carrie White anymore. For Carrie, it will be a dream come true. For everyone else, it will be a nightmare. Carrie. A new film by Brian De Palma. Based on the chilling bestseller.

Starring Sissy Spacek, Piper Laurie, and introducing John Travolta in his first motion picture role. If you have a taste for terror, you have a date with Carrie. Okay, great. Mary? Yes. Take us through it. Fade in.

Here we are. It's a slow motion shot of a steamy locker room. Okay. And these are like slow motion. And it's ultimate 70s, like girls with this long hair, like hair down to their waist. And everybody's naked. Nobody's not in a state of undress. And this is after gym class, I guess. Volleyball. Oh, volleyball. They play volleyball. They play volleyball at the very beginning. They play volleyball and it also gets set up that Carrie, you know, it's all these like girls and they're all sort

of like good at sports, I guess, or having fun. And Carrie, we see Carrie, she's a little shy. She's sort of, you know, kind of, or having fun. And Carrie, we see Carrie. She's a little shy. She's sort of, you know, kind of she's got this body language that. Like she's being stoned. Like she's being stoned. Jesus Christ.

She's sort of crumpled in on herself. She's super shy. And she misses a shot or doesn't. She does something wrong in the volleyball game. And Chris, the number one popular girl. Sydney Sweeney vibes. She looks so much like her in this movie. That is

so true. Oh my gosh. She has real Sydney Sweeney vibes. So Chris sort of says something to Carrie. She says, you eat shit. Yeah, you eat shit. So she says, you eat shit. And

Carrie's just like, ugh. And then Norma, who's this wild character, she has this hat on her head and she's like Chris's best friend. And Norma hits Carrie in the head with her hat as they pass. So now we're in the locker room. Nudity,

nudity, nudity. nudity, teen girls, like just after volleyball, I guess they got so sweaty that they had to fully take like full on, like showers, showers. Um, so, uh, they're sort of like hitting each other with towels and like, it's like in this dreamy music's playing and it's like, oh, look at the, it's so weird. It's like, like in this dreamy music's playing and it's like oh look at the it's so weird it's like these are teenage girls and we're like watching them um and then we go over to carrie and we see carrie she's like alone in the shower and she's having this lovely peaceful moment in the water and um we see her like scrubbing herself and like we see the water going down uh she's got got one leg lifted and we see the water going down the other way very sensual the way she's like soaping her it's like very

slow it's like yeah we're like body body body yeah body body body and then suddenly mixed with the soapy water is blood right now it rubber. And so the blood really starts coming down her leg and she brings her hand up to her face. And we learn in this moment that Carrie has no idea what a period is. She's never been told. So she thinks she is full on dying. She like, she like her eyes go so wide. She starts screaming.

She starts screaming, help, help, help, help. And she goes out to the – she, like, runs out of the shower to the girls in the locker room. And she's like, help me, help me, help me. She's, like, completely losing her mind in this moment. She has no idea what's happening. The girls think she's gross and she's being ridiculous. And then they realize, oh, she's got her period. And so Chris

starts dangling a tampon in front of her and then they start throwing tampons at Harry. And towels. And towels and chanting plug it up, plug it up, plug it up. She's truly getting like she's like cowering in the corner

getting shit just like thrown at her and all of them are like laughing. She's getting stoned tampons. It's awful. The worst bullying you've ever seen. It's a nightmare. Including Sue Nell, who's played by Amy Irving, who is also among the popular girls, but is supposed to be the nicest of the popular girls. But she's doing it too.

She is doing it at the beginning. Oh, this is funny. It's ridiculous. She doesn't know what, this is funny. It's ridiculous. She doesn't know what a period is. Miss Collins comes in, the gym teacher. Oh, no. She comes in and she is pissed. She sees what's happening. She's furious.

And Carrie is like, she's like wailing. She's like totally out of her mind with fear and terror. And it's just awful. And so Miss Collins starts doing what you do when somebody is in trauma. You shake them really hard. Right, right, right.

Well, first you grab the other girls and you just push them all out of the way. Like a teacher does. Half of them are naked. You're just grabbing them. So she's shaking Carrie. And Carrie's getting more and more upset and then we hear the and a light bulb explodes in one of the light fixtures above them and so everybody like screams and it kind of like in a way it sort of like dispels the

tension of the moment and carrie cal down, you know, and Ms. Collins tries to comfort her. But yes, we get the sense that, oh, something weird just happened. Then we go to the principal's office. I got to say,

I'm already like in shock about how terrible everyone is. It's awful. It's so bad. Awful. And like, it's so bad. Not at all subtle. Like it's like,

everyone is just so mean to Carrie. It's unbelievable. Yeah, it really is. And she couldn't be more like, she couldn't be asking for, I mean, no one ever asked for it, but she's just like, so not in anybody's way. But in any, by any means, she's just like, so meek and mild-mannered and like doesn't cross anybody. Like anyway, so we're in the principal's office. We're with Miss Collins, the gym teacher.

We're with Carrie and we're with the principal. And Miss Collins is talking to the principal and she's like, this is what these girls did to her. And I think we need to let her go home right now because that was an awful thing she just went through. The principal keeps calling her Cassie, which is not her name. And Miss Collins is like, Carrie, you can go home and you do not have to go to gym class for a week. Don't – go take care of yourself. And he calls her Cassie again. And Carrie is like looking down at an ashtray that's

on his desk. And when he calls her Cassie, she says, it's Carrie! And the ashtray flips up. And like breaks or something. So, and everyone's just like, oh, I guess that just flew on its own. But well, like no one is – obviously, that was a crazy thing that just happened but miss collins just bends over and picks up the pieces and puts them back on the desk like nobody's like whoa this girl this girl could use her mind to move things yeah nobody really seems to be putting those pieces together exactly so we see carrie going home she's like walking home and it's like suburban street head tucked you know she's got her um books there's this kid on a. She's like walking home on this suburban street, head tucked. You know, she's got her books. There's this kid on a bike

that's like riding near her. He comes up behind her and he calls her Creepy Carrie, Creepy Carrie. And then he rides off and she like has her head down and she looks at him and we hear the and the bike crashes. Mm-hmm.

Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh, this girl. Somebody is not in control of their feelings. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And underestimated, for sure. And underestimated. Yes. So then we see Carrie's mom.

So this is Margaret White. And so Carrie White is her name. And Margaret White, we see, and she's sort of a very forbidding looking figure she's got this black cape sounds like a witch, like a true Halloween witch, a black cape yeah, a capelet

I should say, it's sort of a capelet it's very like covered head to toe and like long skirt and like her hair is very like curly, but also fluffy, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's that perfect 70s fluff.

And her mom is, she's like at a door. She's like going door to door. We're led to believe. And the door opens and it's Sue Nell's mother. It's Mrs. Nell. And Mrs. Nell's having a cocktail and watching a show on TV. And she opens the door and she's like, oh boy, it's Miss White. Because she knows what that means. It means that Mrs. White, she's coming to tell her the good word. She's coming to like preach about Jesus.

She has like a deep sort of southern you gotta let Jesus. It's such a very interesting. These are godless times, Mrs. Nell. I am scared. She's really scary. So she's spreading God's gospel. She's a

real religious zealot. We get that right away. So Mrs. Nell gives her money. She's like, here's five bucks. I don't need Jesus today or whatever. And Miss White takes the money and she leaves. And she goes back to her house and we see Carrie is up in the attic. So it's like she got home earlier than her mom and she's looking out of her little attic window. She sees her mom coming home. And woof, this house. Oh, God, this house.

Head to toe. Jesus. All over the place. And it's like rickety, wooden, kind of creepy house in general. Yeah. And a lot of religious images and a lot of candles and stuff. It's like dark inside and yeah, creepy. Yeah. And a lot of religious images and a lot of candles and stuff. It's like dark inside and yeah, creepy. Yeah. And so Carrie is up in the attic. That's where her room is. And then her mom gets a phone call. When she walks in the door, she gets a phone call. We don't hear the other end of the conversation, but we put two and two together that that was Miss collins from the school calling her mom to let her

know what happened let her know she got her period this like terrible thing happened in the locker room um just to give her mom a heads up and oh her mom does not handle it well she calls carrie down and she um because her getting a period it's like you're a woman now this is original sin you know after the blood come the boys yes after the blood come the boys um she like slaps her with a week she like pulls out of some like bible verses and like slaps carrie in the face of them and it's like raid this yeah oh my god she has carrie get on her knees and she opens the book and she's like say eve was weak say eve was weak and she like hits her knees and she opens the book and she's like, say Eve was weak. Say Eve was weak. And she like hits her in the face with the Bible.

Holy shit. So this is like just the worst case for Carrie that she got her period. And oh, and she also is like saying to her mom, she's like, I didn't know. How come you didn't tell me, Mama? Why didn't you tell me, Mama? You should have told me, Mama. Like she's like so embarrassed

and feels so badly that like her mom could have told her never did it's so confused like what like you knew this why didn't you tell me this was gonna happen to me this is the worst possible interaction also i just have to say i hate scary moms scary moms yeah are the scariest possible thing scary moms they're supposed to be the safe spot they're supposed to be the safe spot. They're supposed to be the loving, like central foundational part of your life. And when they're not, damn, it hurts. It really hurts. Damn, it hurts.

Damn. So then so Carrie's like, I'm not saying it. You know, she's sort of like, they get into a little tussle and the mom's like, you're going in your closet. And so she shoves her into this dark closet that's in the kitchen.

And Carrie is screaming. I mean, it's the most upsetting screaming. It's like she is like, no, no, no. She gets shoved into this closet. It's totally dark in there. There's like a little altar with candles. There's like a little altar with candles and the scariest like crucifixion sculpture I've ever seen. It's so scary. It looks like his eyes are like glowing or something and he's like looking up.

It's just so scary. And Carrie goes in there and she like beats on the door, tries to get out and then eventually realizes there's no use in that. So she like starts praying, you know, she quiets down. Hours later, her mom's just humming to herself sewing. Like the oldest, creepiest sewing machine. It's like black and intense. And she's making what we assume is another capelet. And Carrie like quietly comes out of the closet.

So maybe her mom unlocked it at a certain point or whatever. Carrie had fallen asleep. I don't know. But anyway, Carrie comes out. She comes up to her mom. She says, I'm sorry, mama. And she kisses her mom on the cheek very gently. And then she goes upstairs and the mom's like kind of smiling like there's my you know docile obedient little baby

yeah yeah so then we see carrie up in her room and she's like looking at herself in the mirror and then like the mirror is like whoa whoa whoa. It's like bending as she's looking at herself in it. And we hear the, and it breaks. It like shatters. And her mom hears it from downstairs. And it's like, Carrie? Suddenly concerned. And she goes up to the attic.

And she's like, Carrie? And she can't open the door. And then she finally, Carrie responds, it's open, Mama. And she opens the door. And Carrie's just on her knees praying. The mirror is like put back together. But it's – if you look closely, you would see that it had been broken. But there's no pieces on the floor anymore.

And Carrie's just like, I'm just saying my prayers. And Mom's like, go to sleep. Jesus Christ. Literally. And so then we're at school and we're in a class. And this is an English class or a poetry class or something? Anyway, Carrie sits at the back, of course. And we see all the kids, you know, and we get our first look at Tommy Ross, who is Sue Nell's boyfriend.

And he is the golden boy of the school. Is this John Travolta? No, no. This is unknown. All right. This is he has a name and this actor's name is William Cat. All right. William Cat is – he has a name, and this actor's name is William Catt. All right. William Catt.

Sure, sure, sure. Meow. Meow. He has the most stunning blonde curls you've ever seen. Like a 70s babe through and through. Truly. And Tommy – there's a teacher who's like pacing up and down. And the students are like, while the teacher is very clueless style, like, you know, throwing spitballs at each other and all this stuff.

And the teacher is like walking up and down the rows and he's reading this poem out loud to the class. And it's a pretty good poem. And we see Carrie sort of, she like takes notes. She writes one of the lines of the poem on her notebook. And then the teacher ends the poem and he's like, well, Tommy, you're not just known for running million-dollar touchdowns or whatever the thing is, or being a track star. It looks like you're a poet as well. Being a track star looks like you're a poet as well. And Tommy's like, oh, shucks. You know, he sort of like has a good sense of humor about it.

And then the teacher's like, any criticisms? And he opens it up to the floor. And what does Carrie say? It's beautiful. And we hear just Carrie's little voice from the back of the room say that. And the teacher absolutely roasts her. It's crazy. He's trying to make fun of her. He's like,

It's beautiful. Well, Miss White. That's not exactly a criticism, is it? This little bitch thinks the poem's good. It's so crazy. Awful. So this teacher just totally goes to town on her. Makes the whole

class laugh at her. It's so funny. Tommy, meanwhile, seems like genuinely like, that's nice what she said. He's not really joining in on the fun very much. He's like, yeah. Everyone makes fun of her. Yeah, but we get the sense like, oh, Tommy's like, yeah. Everyone makes fun of her. Yeah.

But we get the sense like, oh, Tommy's like a good guy. I mean, he's a poet. He's a poet. How bad could it be? He's a poet. He's a poet. How bad could he be? Uh-oh.

Now, gym class. Here we are. So we see all the girls from gym class. Carrie's not there, right? Because she's been excused from gym for a while. And we see, like, in the background, a janitor scrubbing. There's graffiti on the doors to the gym that say, Carrie White eats

shit. Which I don't know how that became the message. I don't know, but it's straight to the point, I guess. I don't know. We can assume this is Chris's doing. I'm just so curious about what high school is like currently, because you know that bullying still has to happen, but it's not like this. Do you know what I mean? I can't imagine.

Yeah, totally. It's got to be so much more. I'm sure it all happens on social media. Yes. You're totally right. It's probably like you post stories about people. You talk about people or you don't invite people to things. It's probably like you post stories about people. You like talk about people or you like don't invite people to things on or it's got to be all social media based. It's like not it's not like invoke.

Sorry, I don't know why I use that phrase. That's the only thing I think of. But to like be to be like to be like outwardly bullying. Do you know what I mean? It's like not OK anymore. It's not cool anymore. But you know that it has to still be happening somehow. Anyway, that's a whole other conversation, but it's

just making me think about how horrible it must be to be a high schooler. Terrible. I think it is all online. I think you're totally right. So sad. It's the worst. So, Miss Collins, ooh, she's gonna get some revenge.

She's looking at these girls who have absolutely no remorse about what they did to Carrie, and she's gonna get some revenge. She's looking at these girls who have absolutely no remorse about what they did to Carrie. And she's like, she dresses them down. And she's like, you have no idea how awful what you did really was. And what's worse, you don't even care. You're not even like listening to me.

And they're like kind of snickering and juggling. Juggling. It's all juggling. It's really weird. They're like, you know, giggling and like, you know. But they're also juggling. They're really good and juggling. It's all juggling. It's really weird. They're like, you know, giggling and like, you know. But they're also juggling. They're really good at juggling. And you need to know.

Every single girl in gym class is an extremely good juggler. And this is vital to the story. So, oh, we get the sense that Chris, yes, she's the queen bee of the school. And oof, she is a mean lady.

But Miss Collins is like, hey, guess what? I went to the principal. I told him what you did. And I wanted them to give you a week's suspension and refusal of your prom tickets. And the girls panic. Because that's like the worst case, the worst thing you can do. Worst case scenario. It's up there with gophers, you know.

And so she's, that's awful. You can't. And so the girl's like, you can't do that. That's not fair. And then Ms. Collins is like, they said I couldn't do that. But they did say that you would have a week's detention with me. And if you, and Chris is like, I'm not going do that. But they did say that you would have a week's detention with me. And if you and Chris is like, I'm not going to that. And Miss Collins is like, hmm, that's up to you.

If you don't want to go, you don't have to. But if you miss even one detention, that will result in a week's suspension and refusal of your prom ticket. And she's like, I'm going to get you where you live. Right? So she's like getting these girls. And it's wonderful. Payback. And so she makes them.

Oh, and we also hear that Chris, the popular girl, is going to prom with Billy Nolan. And we haven't met Billy yet. I haven't met Billy yet. And we also learned that Sue, who is the only one who does seem to feel a little bit guilty now. She looks like she feels bad. She's going to prom with Tommy Goldenboy.

Tommy Goldenboy. Yeah. And Miss Collins really shames her for that. She's like, who are you going to prom with? And Sue's like, Tommy Ross. And she's like, must be nice or something like that. She really makes her feel bad for having a boyfriend.

Okay, and then there's a fun workout montage and this is where we really get some good 70s athletic looks. So fun. So fun. High socks, teeny shorts, high-waisted, tucked in t-shirts. It's great. Their detention is basically just like they have to work out really hard outside

for an hour. And it's a lot of Shots of Young girls doing squats And Steven Spielberg was on set that day Exactly Sort of a lineup just for him to pick Who his next girlfriend's gonna be

Yeah And so Then we cut to Carrie And she's in the library she's taking this time to um work out her mind good for her she goes to the library and she starts we see her use the card catalog which can you believe that the physical card catalog with the little drawers i pull out a relic what a rel. And she's looking up miracles. Okay, so she's starting to get curious about what's going on with her. She can't explain it either,

but she's getting curious. And so then we cut back to the workout montage. We see Chris... She's basically like, I'm not doing this anymore. I'm out. Oh, because Miss Calls is trying to make them run. They're all running in place

in a huddle. They're all so close together. It's very strange. I know. It's weird. Miss Collins is in the foreground with her back to them for some reason. She's just like, run. I'll know if you're not. But she, yeah, Chris is like, I'm not freaking doing this. And Miss Collins

is like, well, if you do, you know, you better get back up there and do something and i just wrote down stick them up your ass which is what chris says to miss collins yeah so yeah she says if you don't run like you fine you don't then you don't go to prom you're getting suspended you're gonna go to prom she says something and chris says then you can like kiss your prom tickets goodbye oh Oh yeah. Well, you can stick them up your ass. And then pow!

Miss Collins slaps the shit out of Chris. 30 times. And now we know that happened 30 times. Yikes. It is, it is, boy, it is like I mean, you watch and you go, ooh! It is a real slap. And oh, and also no, none of Chris's friends like go along with her. Like Chris is like, come on, you watch and you go, ooh. Like, it is a real slap. And, oh, and also none of Chris's friends, like, go along with her.

Like, Chris is like, come on, Norma. And Norma, like, puts her head down. And she's like, Sue. And Sue's like, give it a rest, Chris. Like, nobody's really, like, on Chris's side here. And so after she slaps the shit out of her, Chris is like, you can't do this. Which I actually agree with her. I don't think.

Yeah. You can't. You absolutely can't do that. You can't hit a student. No. Yes. And so she's like, this is not the end of this. And she gets in Ms. Collins' face and she storms off the athletic field.

And Ms. Collins is like, you're out of the prom. We're back in the library. Carrie's now, she's in the section about mind, mind things. And she's looking up, ooh, powers of the mind. She opens a book.

She sees something about telekinesis. And then, then we cut to Sue. She goes up to Tommy. He's like in his track football practice. And she comes up to him and she pulls him aside and she's like, hey, can I talk to you? And he's like, his track football practice. And she comes up to him and she pulls him aside. And she's like, hey, can I talk to you?

And he's like, yeah. And she says, I want you to take Carrie White to prom. And Tommy's like, huh? And she's like, I just want you to do it. And he's like, wow. Like he's like, he's like, I want to go to prom with you. And she's like, no, I want you to take Carrie. And we get the sense that these two are really in love.

Sue and Tommy have a very mature relationship. She's just doing that out of the kindness of her heart. She's like, I just think you should be. We get the sense that this is actually a kind thing. She's like, it would mean a lot to Carrie. We all did a really mean thing to her. You can tell that she means it. She's like, please do this for me.

It would be very sweet to take Carrie to prom okay this is her like I don't know what do you call it you did a bad thing and you want to do a good this is her atonement atonement this is her atonement

thank you so then we see Chris and Billy Nolan the one and only John Travolta the word thank you this is her atonement yeah thank you um so then we see chris and billy nolan the one and only john travolta on a date and oh he's hot rod knit he's like driving around town um chris is like putting on makeup and like billy's like oogling her body and stuff and uh people like drive up and give him a beer and he starts drinking. Drive and toss a beer from their car window to his. He drinks it. Billy's bad news.

Bad boy. And he really sucks. And then he like swerves or something. And Chris like messes up her lipstick and she calls him a stupid shit. And Billy doesn't like that. And so he slaps her Chris is getting slapped a lot they have a very strange

like toxic relationship I literally wrote they have a very strange dynamic in my notes cause she like keeps calling him a stupid shit and cause she like wants to make him mad and then he keeps hitting her and being like I told you not to call me that but then then they start hooking

up, but then she stops. She's like, why aren't you hooking up? It's just bad. It's bad. It's weird. It's really weird. So now we're back. And I think, I believe, I didn't write this down, but I think it is in the library that we were back at school. It's another day.

Carrie's in there doing her research. Tommy comes up to her and asks her what she's reading. And she's just like, oh, it's nice. It's about sewing. It's about sewing. That's right. Which was quick thinking on her part. Because he's like, oh, cool.

And then Tommy's like, oh, I was just wondering, do you want to go to prom with me? Oh. And Carrie's like, can't believe this is happening. And also just totally assumes this is a trick. Like she assumes this isn't real. He doesn't mean this. I don't know why he's doing this. But so he said, she says no.

She's like, no, no, I can't. I'm not going. No, no. She like scurries away from him. She's like, no, no, I can't. I'm not going. No, no. She, like, scurries away from him. She, like, runs away. Yeah. Yeah. And then we see Miss Collins.

I can't remember what leads into this. I don't know if you do. Carrie, like, runs away and then sitting alone outside by the gym, Miss Collins just finds her there. And it's like, what's going on, Carrie? And Carrie tells her, you know, they're trying, Tommy asked me to prom. And I said, no. She's like, they're tricking me. I just know they're tricking me. And Miss Collins is like, no, that's like a night you should go to prom. That's like a really sweet, nice thing. And Miss Collins is like, you have no idea how pretty you are. Like, this is, isn't that exciting that Tommy asked you out? Yeah.

And she's like, you have no idea how pretty you are. Come with me. And she goes to the bathroom with Carrie. She like stands in the mirror with her. And she's like, look at you. You're so beautiful. Like, look at this face. Look at this hair.

Look at this. Look at these lips. You just add, you know, put a little lipstick on. You're so beautiful. It's like very sweet, but it also is so funny. It's like, you're so pretty. You just, you know, you put some mascara on. Look at your beautiful hair.

Curl it. And oh, look at these beautiful lips. Maybe you should put some lipstick on your lips. You're so pretty. You just, you know, you put some mascara on and look at your beautiful hair. Curl it. And oh, look at these beautiful lips. Maybe you should put some lipstick on your lips. You're so beautiful, but also try. Can you try? You know, you're so beautiful. With a couple tweaks, we could really see it. And so, so this is a sweet moment. It's like we, you know, Miss Collins is on Carrie's side.

She's like her, her biggest defender in this world. And then Miss Collins calls Tommy and Sue into her office. And she's like, what the fuck is this? She also thinks that they're trying to trick her, trying to trick Carrie, even though she hope, you know,

to Carrie, she's like, no, that's nice. It's nice. But to them, she's like, what are you doing?

Why? What's the end game here? Yeah. She's like, I know you two were dating. You're going to prom together. Like, Sue, why is he taking her to prom? Yeah. And he's like, why is it anybody's business who I take to prom? Why can't I just take who I want to take? She's like, because I know you don't want to take her. I actually don't know if she says that. That's the energy. That's the energy. Yeah. Eventually, Miss Collins is like,

okay, okay, if this is real, you know, just treat her right or whatever. And Tommy's like, well, she's not going to go with me anyway because she said no. And Sue's like, well, you know, we didn't try hard enough. Yeah. And so we see Tommy go to Carrie's

house. Uh-oh. He knocks on the door. She opens the door. It's like just her and the screen. Her mom's like somewhere in the house behind her. And he tries to convince her to go. And we hear like her mom asking, who is it? Who is it?

So like there's like an urgency to this exchange. And Tom's like, just say you'll go. Just say you'll go with me. And she's like, no, I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. He's like, just say you'll go and then I'll leave. I promise. And then so he sort of manipulates her into going to prom with him. So she says yes. And she shuts the door and great. So Tommy and Carrie are going to go to prom again. Now, this is a really crazy thing. So then we see Chris and her boyfriend Billy and they're friends.

So like none of the girls from school but a couple guys that are Billy's friends, I think, who still date high school girls. And they're at a pig farm. We like see them walking by a mural of like happy pigs in a field which is definitely not what happens back there um they sneak into this pig farm and you hear all these pigs you know um wrestling around and oinking it's the worst they get into the pen and uh tommy hands his or not tommy's tommy's not there my god my God there Jesus Billy hands his friend a sledgehammer and is like go do it and they've got like an empty gas can there

too so he's like go do it and his friends like I can't and then Billy takes the sledgehammer is like fine I'll do it and he like vaults over the fence and he gets back there and we see Chris go do it do it Billy and then we see Billy like rear back and he we don't like see the actual contact but

we see him like and we hear the scream of a pig and like so he's very glad you're here to do what the fuck yeah can you imagine can you imagine being like do it no I love this Chris is not well this Chris is not well

no Chris is not well she's been slapped a bunch to be honest Chris is not well we can sort of imply that things aren't good with Chris sort of spiritually mentally

emotionally so he like murders his pig and then we cut away from it we don't know like what is going on um then we see Carrie and her mom at dinner and Carrie

very nervous tells her mom I've been invited to prom and um her mom's like no absolutely not

you're not going and Carrie's like mom I want to be a normal person I want to I want to like experience things. And I feel like if I don't do this, I'm never going to be normal.

You know, like, she's aware that she's, like, on the verge of becoming like her mother, essentially. And her mom is like, no, no, no. You know where she takes her? Right to the closet. First, she throws her drink in her face. Douses her in the face with her drink, which also blows out the candle that's sitting right in front of Carrie. Which, what a metaphor.

Yeah. Just putting that light right out. Put that light right out. So, she tries to take her to the closet and Carrie's like, everything isn't a sin. He's a nice boy. And then mom again, after the blood comes the boys. Oh, and so as her mom's taking her to the closet, we hear the

and all the windows in the house shut. And Carrie's mom like, is like, you know. She's like the devil. Yes, exactly. Of course. And of course. think she's like witch yeah she calls her a witch

like she's the Satan is working through her um and so so but Carrie's kind of standing up to her Carrie's like I'm going and you can't stop me and her mom is like now scared of her she's like okay well now I'm going and you can't stop me. And her mom is like now scared of her.

She's like, OK, well, now I'm living with Satan. OK, what's the next move? Satan, Satan put himself in your in your father. And Carrie's like, no, mama, he left you with a nut for another woman. Everybody knows that. And she's like, oh, the devil has got you. No. You guys, I am loving the accents

your carrie is perfect i know emily your cast you're cast as carrie and carrie's i can't wait to play both me i want to play miss collins okay so then we cut to the high school and it's like in the middle of the night at the high school gym. And we see Billy rigging a big bucket up in the rafters above the stage in the gym. And Chris is down there below, and she calls him a stupid shit a bunch because he's not moving fast enough. And we see him fill the bucket with the pig's blood from the gas container. So then we cut to school the next day. We see some of Billy's friends, like, trying to get into prom somehow, right?

Or, like, get tickets. One of the dudes goes up to – I think he's a teacher who, like, runs the – running the prom committee. And he's like, hey, I want to be in the prom committee. And the teacher's like, we don't actually – you know, do you – I think he says, like, are you a student here? He's like, like, hey, I want to be in the prom committee. And the teacher's like, well, you don't actually, you know, do you, I think he says like, are you a student here? He's like, yeah, totally. I want to be in the prom committee.

And the guy's like, okay, I guess we could use help with decorations. And he's like, no, I want to count the ballots. I'm going to be the person who counts the ballots for prom king and queen. And the teacher's like, okay. Show up at 630. He goes, nope, I'm going to be there at 8. See you at 8. And it's like okay

Yeah nothing suspicious there Yeah So then we go back to the gym It's during the day and the prom committee Is there decorating Some of the girls from the gym class are there We see Sue She's there we see Chris

Is there and the girls are like They're talking about how Tommy's taking Carrie and how insane that is. And Chris is like, she tells Norma, I'm going to sneak in. Don't worry. I'll be there. And Norma's like, how are you going to do that? And then we see a fun getting ready montage. We see Tommy trying on his tuxedo for the first time

That day I guess He and his two friends this is a very cute funny little scene They're like trying to convince their one Friend to get a tux he's like tuxes don't work For me I can't tuxes don't I don't look Good in tuxes and they like keep trying on their tuxes Like see how good I look see how good you look And they get and the friend ends up buying like a tuxedo

T-shirt and they're like oh it's like They're slick we're cute sweet-shirt and they're like, it's like, they're just like, we're cute, sweet guys. Yeah. They're good guys. They're good guys. And we see Carrie at a drugstore trying like every different lipstick and like trying a bunch of lipsticks and wiping it off. She's like excited to get ready for prom.

She's excited. So, yes. So she goes, she's at home and she's wearing the most glorious like silk, like slip dress. I mean, it looks beautiful on her. And her mom, and she's putting on pink lipstick and her mom's like, I can see your dirty pillows. Emily, please. I can see your dirty pillows.

Her boobs. They're breasts, mom, and every woman has them. Yes. So Kara's starting to really come into her own here. She's starting to feel her power. And then her mom's like, he's not coming. I can see the dirty pillows. I'm crazy.

And she's like, her mom almost seems as nervous as Carrie is. And she is convinced that Tommy's going to ditch her. He's not coming. And she keeps saying that. She's like, he's not coming. They're all going to laugh at you. They're all going to laugh at you. They're all going to laugh at you. And Kara's like, Mama, stop.

I want to have fun. I'm going to go and hang out with these people. And she does her TK. Telekinesis. Telekinesis. That makes sense. That makes sense. I was like, she does her

tuck jumps. She does her telekinesis. And she like, as her mom's trying to keep her from going out the door, she forces her mom to lie down. And her mom's like, and so she lies down. And then,

okay, so then we're at the prom. Well. Carrie walks out walks out the door to go to prom because Tommy's there she forces her mom to lie on the bed and then she like goes and leaves and her mom just stands up and goes thou shall not suffer a witch to live so

important thank you Emily yes so important that line thou shall not suffer a witch to live um so what's gonna happen now nothing good So important. That line. Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. Uh-oh. So what's going to happen? Then we go to prom and it's glorious. It's the prom. So fun. Nobody's prom was

like, it's beautiful. It's in the gym. It's decorated so well. They're having the time of their lives. Oh, it's great. It's great. There's a live band, which I was really excited by. There's a live band. People are dancing. Oh, yes. The decorations are great. The outfits a live band, which I was really excited by. There's a live band. People are dancing. Oh, yes. The decorations are great.

The outfits are amazing. Norma is in a prom dress and still wears her hat, which is very funny to me. Carrie just wants to sit at the table. She doesn't want to dance. Tommy keeps inviting her to dance, and she doesn't want to dance. Miss Collins drops by to check in on them. Tommy goes to see another friend or get a drink or something. And Miss Collins sits with Carrie and she like they have a heart to heart where Miss Collins is like, oh, you know, my prom was was crazy, too.

I went with the boy and his car broke down and we had to walk three miles to the prom. But it was still it was the most wonderful night and I'm just so excited that you're gonna have a magical night um and Carrie's so happy she's like really like for the first time she like feels like she's a part of things you know um and Miss Collins leaves and Tommy uh comes back and they're just chatting and they like have a nice rapport and he mentions to her, like, oh, maybe we can go to the after party at the Beehive.

Who knows what that is? But he invites her to it and she was like, oh no, you go hang out with your friends. And he was like, well, no, I want you to come with me. And Carrie's like, huh? And then he finally does convince her to go up and dance.

And they have, it's a really long scene with the camera just going around them as they dance. Yeah. It's really, so there's, this is a trivia. So they're, they're dancing and it's,

it's, we're just like spinning. It's really dizzying. Like it, like actually like it's hard to watch how quickly they're spinning and the camera is spinning around them and they they achieved this because by putting the two of them on a platform that was spinning in one direction and they had the camera on a dolly spinning the opposite direction oh that's cool

so it's literally they're like spinning twice as fast as they otherwise could be because they're going around each other wow that's cool that's. That's fascinating. So Tommy is really getting her to open up and Carrie's like, she's never danced before. She's never gone to the Beehive certainly. But she also says, and I've never even, she doesn't finish her sentence

but we can assume been kissed. And sweet Tommy leans in and gives her her first kiss. Oh my god. And the music is wonderful and it's so sweet and wonderful and Carrie's like just, she feels safe, it's clear.

And they sit back down and they've got the ballots now for prom king and queen in front of them. And there's like five options and the fifth option, Tommy and Carrie. And Carrie's like five options and the fifth option Tommy and Carrie and Carrie's like what the fuck how do I get on here

and Tommy's like well let's vote for ourselves come on it's so fun we'll just go up there and everyone will clap for us and we'll get like a free hat and by that I mean a tiara and he's like very like casual about it and that I think convinces Carrie to like, okay, yeah, let's vote for us.

So she does. Then we see Norma going around and collecting the ballots. So Norma and then Billy's friend. Freddie or something. Yeah. So they're collecting the ballots. Ballots, please. Ballots, please.

And then we go back to Carrie's mom's house. And she's just – there's a very strange scene. It's a camera above. We see her mom in the kitchen thinking for a second. And then she grabs a bunch of carrots and just starts chopping them. And then stops hitting the carrots and is just chopping with a knife against a butcher block. No thanks. But then we go back to the gym and we see Chris and Billy are there

and they're peeking through the curtain. They're like looking out at the prom. And all the ballots are in at this point. And I think we see that Sue has arrived as well, right? Uh-huh. Sue is there. Sue wants to like see how it's going. Her sweet plan to let Carrie go to the prom.

Oh, because earlier they say you're not allowed to go to the prom unless you have a date, which is so fucked up. Oh, right. That's why I forgot about that. When Sue tells Tommy to ask Carrie to prom, it means she can't go to prom because she doesn't have a date, which is horrible. What? So she sneaks in just to see, like, how prom is going. And she's just in, like, her is horrible. What? So she sneaks in just to see how prom is going. And she's just in her regular clothes. She's in cute jeans and a top.

Yeah. And okay, so great. So it's sort of like okay, now's the moment where we announce prom king and queen. We also saw Norma replaced ballots with a bunch that they had brought.

Yes. So, in this case, there was election fraud. There really was. This is how it works. This is what Donald Trump was talking about. Okay. That's good to know. He was talking about the movie Carrie. He was talking about the movie Carrie. So, then,

they announced Prunk King and Queen. Oh, my God. it's Tommy and Carrie It's this Beauty the music swells at slow Motion Carrie's like Oh my god everybody's like Clapping for her Miss Collins is so

Excited for her Oh my god she's over the moon They like ascend the steps Up to the stage. Chris and Billy are like, they're watching them go up the steps. Like they're underneath the stairs. And they get up there and she like gets her tiara placed and she's holding, she's got like, she's holding her flowers.

And Tommy's there and he's like, isn't this so, look, isn't she beautiful? It's like this, and it goes on for a really long time. It's like a couple minutes of like the dream of all of this. And her looking out at these people who have rejected her for years and years. And they're all like accepting her. And not only that, like holding her up on this pedestal. It's this beautiful moment. And then we see Sue.

And she's like watching this and she's like, this is nice. And then she sees a rope that's like going up the side of the curtains. And she like is following this rope with her eyes. It's all in slow motion, all of this. And she looks up and she's like, sees

it go into the rafters. So she moves out from beside the stage or like off stage to like get a better look. She's following this rope as it goes up into the ceiling. And we see Miss Collins clock her. And Miss Collins is like, that bitch. She thinks she's there to like ruin this moment for Carrie. She thinks she's there to like ruin this moment for Carrie. So she like goes over to Sue and like grabs her.

And Sue at this point has seen the bucket. She's up above them. Seen the bucket. And she has seen Chris. Yes. With the holding the rope. So she's like, oh, fuck. Yeah. She puts two and two together.

Yeah. And so she's like, oh, my God. She's, like, pointing at the bucket. And she's like, no, no. Like, she, like, tries to communicate what's happening. And Ms. Collins is like, you bitch. She's like, how dare you? Once again, just really grabbing her and, like, throwing her out of the room.

Yeah, she throws her out of the gym, slams the door behind. And is like, God, thank goodness I was here. I saved Carrie. Nope. And then at a certain point, Chris pulls the rope. The bucket falls. And Carrie, smiling, is just covered in pig's blood. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

It's so awful. It's worse than I thought it was going my god. It's so awful. It's worse than I thought it was going to be. It's so much worse. She just is frozen there. It's such a powerful moment because everybody's quiet. And you just hear the bucket swing back and forth. That's the only sound.

Holy shit. And the sound of the blood dripping from her face. Holy shit. And she's like in total she cannot process what's happening. No, of course not. And then all of a sudden, everybody starts laughing. Laughing? Well, it's so interesting.

So it's the sound cuts out, except for the bucket and the blood. out except for the bucket and the blood but we are aware that Carrie like because you see Tommy looks up and sees the bucket and starts mouthing like what the but we don't hear it like all other is this like for Carrie all other

sound is cut off because Tommy's going like who did like he's really mad like what the fuck is this and it's like looking around the bucket then falls hits him in the head and knocks him out it's like looking around the bucket then falls, hits him in the head and knocks him out. It's like a big metal bucket. So he's knocked out. Norma starts laughing,

but mostly everybody else is just shocked. Yeah. But then Carrie starts hearing like in her own head, she starts hearing all the mean things that people have said to her over the course of the movie. She starts hearing the chanting of plug it up, plug it up. Carrie White eats shit. Carrie White eats shit. She hears her mom going, they're all going to laugh at you.

They're all going to laugh at you. They're all going to laugh at you. Then she starts seeing everybody laughing, but it seems like that's not what's actually happening because she sees it's in her mind. She sees Miss Collins laughing. Miss Collins definitely isn't laughing because she also

hears Miss Collins saying, like, you can trust me, Carrie. You should go to the prom. The ultimate betrayal. She overhears the principals calling her Cassie. She's like, they've all been in on it. Yes. This is a long con. Everyone is laughing at me.

Yes. They all planned this. Everyone conspired to get me here in this moment and make this happen to me. And she is not happy. No, she's mad. She is mad. She's standing there and it's the iconic image of her, like, just head to toe in blood. Her eyes really big.

And she looks over to the doors and they shut. She looks over to another pair of doors. They shut. Like, so she, like, sort of is, like, closing off the gym. Uh-huh. Closing all the doors and the windows. Oh. And then she, like, looks up at the lights, shuts the lights off.

Holy shit. So then there's just, like, a red glow. Yeah, like, exit sign glow. and then she like looks up at the lights shuts the lights off holy shit yeah like exit sign glow and everybody starts freaking out I think honestly they the way the degree to which people start freaking out from the

just the lights going on it would be scary but all of a sudden everyone in the gym is like they're like running over each other Just the lights going on. I mean, it would be scary. But all of a sudden, everyone in the gym is like. They're like running over each other. Like they start going crazy. It becomes a really dangerous situation because they cannot open the doors. And everybody starts panicking. And then there's a crush of people to get out of the.

So, yes, people are getting trampled. People are. There's like lights, like's Sparks from the lights that are In like live wire gets Broken at some point and a Hose like goes off With her mind she takes the fire hose Out yeah of the thing And starts using it like a trained

Animal to like to like Looks at it and it like sprays at one person she looks At it and it sprays another person and she's like controlling The fire hose like a little attack dog. Holy shit. Like in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, at the end, the pit bull, he snips it up. It's like that only hits the fire hose. She's like, go, get him, get him, get him.

That's right. That's right. And then there's also a live wire. So this is like a real choose your own adventure of a terrible way to die. You could get electrocuted In a puddle of water you could get Set on fire you could get like Spray like sprayed with an insane

Amount of water you can get crushed By people and Soon the curtains catch fire Yeah well she like So we see at one point the principal Goes over to the microphone to try to be like Okay everybody calm down. Carrie looks to him and I guess a live wire falls near that and he gets electrocuted.

So he's like holding the microphone and he gets fried and dies. Holy shit. Mrs. Collins is standing against a wall and she goes, Carrie. And then a big thing of wood like falls from the ceiling. Like Carrie makes it happen. Falls from the ceiling. Chops her down the middle. Holy shit. We don't see that, but that is what it is. It pins her against the wall and she slumps over.

So Mrs. Collins is dead. Everyone's dying. And then we see, yeah, the curtain catches fire. Curtain catches fire. There's smoke. So now these people are just being roasted alive. And Carrie heads on out. She walks out.

And very slow. She like never changes her pace. And she keeps her arms like this. Oh, it's so fascinating. Oh my God. Just hands out. And I'm just going to do the rest of the podcast. Hands out. And she just walks out of the gym

covered in blood and she's walking down the street. Meanwhile, you hear the screams of the people who, like, she's just murdered the entire... Do you think she's killed everyone in the gymnasium? Or just a few people? Oh, my everybody.

It's a total massacre. She kills everyone. She kills everyone, She kills everyone. But guess who got out? Chris and Billy. No, get out. They managed to get out. And so she's walking down the road.

Oh, and Sue. And Sue. And Sue is out. And Sue is out. She's covered head to toe in blood. This is a teenage girl covered head to toe in blood. And a fire truck going to deal with the fire. But like a big fire truck drives right past this

girl covered in blood walking down the center of the road. And I'm like, I guess we don't care. I guess we don't care about that. He's like, we got bigger fish to fry, baby. We'll be back for you. So, yeah. And then we see Chris and Billy and they're in the car and Chris sees Carrie and

she's like, she's like Carrie! She's like, tells Billy Run this girl over, run her over So Billy starts like speeding For her And they're behind her I think, right?

And Carrie hears it She turns and looks And the car just like flips over And um And explodes Oh wow, okay, they're dead too She hears it. She turns and looks. And the car just like flips over. Oh, hell yeah. And explodes. And explodes. Oh, wow. Okay.

They're dead too. They're dead. They're dead. Carrie's taking care of everybody except for Sue. Carrie goes back to her home. And her house is covered in lit candles. Like every surface has a candle that's lit on it. Like it's really kind of eerie.

And she's like, what's going on? And she calls her mom, doesn't find her mom. She goes up stairs, she, like, rinses off, she, like, gets all the blood off of her, she gets into her, like, very sort of chased nightgown that she always wears.

She's got her hair, she's, like, back to Carrie. It's nasty. This bathtub, she just, like, gets in a tub, which means she's like back to Carrie It's nasty this bathtub she just like Gets in a tub which means she's like Sitting in pig bloody Water Yeah I don't like it at all Yeah oh but we've seen When she goes upstairs to her room and goes into

The bathroom to take a bath we see Behind the door her mom is hiding Just standing Perfectly still behind the door and I saw I was like oh she's gonna kill her in the bathtub But no she doesn't she just stays behind the door And waits for her to get out of the bath So she comes out of the bath

And walks into her room and so her mom Like reveals herself from behind the door And Carrie hugs her and is like Mama you know you were right And the mom Oh my god Oh yeah then she has this monologue, right? She talks about this monologue is very upsetting.

Oh, no. Her mom is like, I. She she talks about, like, the man she was married to or it was before they were married or something. And she was like, we were together and we never laid together. We slept together. I mean, like we laid next to each other, but we never did anything, you know, because we weren't married. But then one night I saw him looking down at me and he had that look in his eyes and he had the whiskey on his breath and he took me and I liked it. Oh my God. Oh my God. And she's like, I liked it. God help me. I liked it.

And then she's like, and I felt him. I should have done something when I felt him finish in me or something like that. He put the devil in me. I should have killed myself after he put it in me. What? I should have sent you to God when you were born. I knew he put the devil in me. Oh? And it says, I should have sent you to God when you were born. I knew he put the devil in me.

Oh my God. And so Carrie's like, wow, this is a lot. Yeah, this is a bad night. Mom, I started out on my own night. I started on my own thing. Yeah, it's just like, it just like didn't ask me anything about prom when I came here. You're really making it about you right now? Yeah.

And so Carrie's just like, well, this is a nightmare. And then her mom tries to do it. Yeah, she says, let's pray. And Carrie's like, yeah, let's pray, Mama. And they go down on the edge and she goes, let's pray one last time. Pulls up a knife, stabs Carrie in the back. Holy shit! That makes Carrie tumble down the stairs

into the kitchen. Carrie's mom comes for her again. Smiling. She's holding her hand and she's like, awful. And then Carrie basically uses her

TK. TK. Trademark. TK trademark and like pins her mom against the closet door actually the door to the closet that she normally gets thrown into and she like starts shooting knives from around the kitchen into her mom

and her mom her mom goes to like stab her and Carrie TK's a knife into that hand so she like puts like basically like crucified style like one knife in one hand a knife in the other hand and then like like knives all through her chest and her mom like slumps over and it's like like classic like this is the jesus her mom like slumps over and it's like like classic like this is the Jesus her mom though like as she's dying seems to be happy she's like laughing

and then it sort of seems like she climaxes as she dies she's sort of like and then she dies and eyes open like that creepy Jesus A sweet release Of some kind

Oh and then also the candles Catch fire So the house And it's an old little wooden house Yeah So this house is like Starting to Not do well

There's like the sound of Something falling from up above Like a rafter or something And that kind of snaps Carrie Out of it right and she like Runs to her she like sees what happened to her mom She sees what her mom said and she's like Mama no and she like pulls all the knives

Out of her mom and she like tries to Pull her mom out of the house And her mom is still attached Yeah house and her mom is still attached. One of her hands is still attached and Carrie's just like pulling on her. It's awful. Very upset. It's awful. And then she's pulling and she's pulling

and then the house and then she doesn't get out. Yeah, she drags her mom into the closet with her. She like grabs her, drags her, they go into the closet and she just like holds her while the house starts crumbling and burning simultaneously. It looks like it's sinking into hell. It really does.

It starts like going into the ground and it's like collapsing and burning at the same time. Yeah. Tough. Oh my god. And then we see Carrie dies. Carrie is also dead. She's done. She's done.

And we see, we do one more little last shot on that creepy Jesus and his little glowy eyes. And then yeah, the house just like totally burns up and it's clear that there would be no survivors. Oh my god. It's a bad night. Then now we're, we're, we

see Sue or we see her mom. Her mom is on the phone um we see mrs nell and she says something that i think is so ridiculous someone calls and mrs nell is like oh oh thank god no i'm just relieved not to talk to another reporter um she's okay she's doing better i mean she sleeps a lot, which I guess is understandable. But the doctor's saying that, you know, thankfully she's young enough that she'll eventually forget this whole thing.

I was saying to Matt, I was like, it's not like she's three. She's like 17 years old. Forget this whole thing. Forget everyone she knows dying in a massive horrible way. Absolutely not. I don't think you get past that. No, especially dying in a massive horrible way absolutely not I don't think you get past that

no especially when you're that age when you're so impressionable and everything's like sinking in even harder remember how you told your boyfriend to ask this girl to prom that resulted in the death of him and everyone you know I don't think you're gonna forget that

and her mom's like she's just sleeping A lot and meanwhile this town Is like devastated by the Murder of like the children She says the mom says like oh no I didn't let her go to the funerals what with Tommy And everyone else gone It's like yeah no

Such a weird phone call who's calling her And like so give me the latest How's Sue Tell me the deets And then we see Sue and she's in bed Who is calling her and like, so give me the latest. How's Sue? Tell me the deets. And then we see Sue and she's in bed and she's like, she's asleep. She's just, you know, in a trauma sleep. And we suddenly we're in this kind of bright, dreamy.

It's like a suburban street. It's like this lovely music playing. It's the same music, dreamy music that plays throughout at the beginning, at the prom, at the end. And Sue's wearing this gorgeous sundress. And she's holding flowers. She's walking down the street. And she like enters this little yard and she goes in again, this takes so long to,

and she's at, in a cemetery and she goes up to the, uh, uh, tombstone that says Carrie white. She, no, she's,

um, she goes to the plot, that burned plot of land where the Carrie White's house was that's yes yes but there is like a cross there that's like the for sale vacant lot like for sale thank you god I always assume she's bringing it as if she's going to like

that is sort of the laying flowers at the grave and this is all a dream well we don't know she's just like visiting this spot. Yes, we've seen Sue asleep and then we

see this scene. Okay, I see. I wasn't certain this was a dream at this point. I thought it might have been like the next day because we've cut to the next day before. But yeah, but the for sale, wooden for sale sign, someone has graffitied on it Carrie rot burns and Carrie white burns in hell

On the sign down here and I was like But everyone who hates her died who wrote That yeah yeah I mean Maybe a parent somebody Who somebody who was Really had a bone To pick with Carrie which there's reasons There's reasons so yeah

So it's not it's not a tombstone. Yes. It's like a, yeah. And so, she, but Sue is like, I'm going to lay these flowers down here on this gravesite, I guess. And she lays the flowers down and suddenly a hand shoots up from the ground and grabs her wrist. And Sue starts screaming. And she's screaming and screaming and screaming. And then we see her grabs her wrist. And Sue starts screaming and she's screaming and screaming and screaming and screaming. And then we see

her in her bed. She starts screaming and screaming and screaming. And her mom comes in and is like, Sue! Sue! Sue! Have you forgotten this yet? She's like, oh god, it was just two days ago. And Sue's like hysterically crying

and like so upset. And then that's that's it that's the end of the movie? that's roll credits? roll credits that to me was the biggest jump the movie is not really that scary in terms of

like yeah like but that moment yeah it was a true jump scare for me when the hand comes out and it's like covered in blood like she was when she got the blood which I realized is interesting because at the beginning when she gets her period and has her

hand is covered in blood the person she grabs with her bloody hand is Sue yes so then beautiful moment of mirror image of being grabbed by Carrie's bloody hand. Holy shit. Wait, I want there to be a What's Sue's rest of her story.

They did make a Carrie 2, I think. And I saw a tribute that like that actor is the only one who appears for Carrie 2 from the original cast. Amy Irving. Yeah, they all died. Right. They're all dead. Yeah. Because they died Yeah she comes back and I did see that

The rage Carrie the rager When it came out I feel like it was In the mid 90s or something or late 90s And she was Sue was now a teacher at this school I think if I'm remembering correctly Yes but there you have it there's Carrie Oh my god Mary

Hell yeah That was amazing I was Fucking riveted I mean Emily Thank you so much for helping me with those Details thanks for getting me to watch this movie I'm thrilled you liked it It's also it's so wild because It like

The bullying is really horrifying You know like something really bad Is going to happen and there are the moments of telekinesis. But it's so interesting that for like an hour and 10 minutes, it's just sort of a sad, like a drama about this girl getting bullied in high school. And then and then it all happens. So they're like, OK, you're dead. You're dead. You're dead.

You're dead. Chaos, chaos, chaos, chaos. Mom tries to kill her. It's just like... I was like, when is this going to become a horror movie? Oh, right here. Yeah. The very end. It really does beg the question of if her mom wasn't who she was,

would this power have manifested in the way that it did? Maybe not. Maybe not. Probably not. The small moment of if she hadn't been pranked, then... It's funny to call it a prank when it is so, the small moment of if she hadn't been pranked, then a prank. It's funny to call it a prank when it is so massive and horrifying. But if that hadn't happened, none of that, you know, it's just like that one choice became enough in her mind. Right. Chris really like honed in on Harry, Harry, honed in on Carrie as the like reason her life is awful.

When Carrie had, Carrie didn't ask her to make her not go to prom or like make her do it. Like she didn't do any of this. And Chris just like had, was out for blood with Carrie for some reason. Yeah, that's another backstory. That would be interesting to know what makes Chris so bloodthirsty. Something's bad in Chris's home life for sure. I feel like they I feel like in the book there was there there was some diving into it. I need to read it.

It's been a long time. Oh, yeah. Because now I'm curious what the different ending is for the book. Yeah. I can't remember at all. But yeah, no. Chris hates Carrie so much that that when she comes up with the scheme with with Billy, her boyfriend in the moment, the earlier when we first meet him, when they're having a terrible

interaction and a very unhealthy relationship, she gives him head. And while she's giving him head, she says, I hate Carrie White. Which is also like, how are you speaking? him head she says I hate Carrie White she's giving him head how are you speaking you're giving him head I just was like this doesn't make any sense she's powerful

they're getting a lot of pleasure from hating from hating someone so deeply yes I hate it. I hate it. Whoa. It's intense.

This is fucked up. Okay. My question is, you know, Stephen King, like, hated The Shining, right? Yes, he did. And he loved this. I wonder why. You know, I just, it's fascinating to me that he feels that way about, so differently about two different movies.

I don't know. Yeah. he feels that way about so differently about two different movies i don't know yeah i wonder if he saw jack torrance's journey in the shining differently than how stanley kubrick saw yeah i bet you're right like i well i don't know if he said this or if this is other people's i i've heard this that like that character is maybe loosely based on him or like parts of it and so I remember a lot of his critique was yeah the like treatment of that character and the portrayal of that character like he thought yes that he was like just a total psychopath

like a too bad and crazy from the start yeah right because Jack Nicholson is too like wild and crazy from the beginning from the very beginning yeah he's got a little glint in his eye the whole way through that movie. But I do think that, you know, all the

sexist parts aside, I do think that Brian De Palma captured what I think Stephen was hoping for with the kind of, of course, like how Carrie was such a victim in her life, but then also the dreaminess of the teen experience that Carrie wanted.

I thought he did it, especially in that prom sequence. It was like, oh, my God, we're like in her fantasy. And it's such a and then it falls out like it's like I'm sure exactly how Steve envisioned it. Don't tell him I called him that. Oh, my God. First name. Don't tell him. Emily him that. Oh my god, first name, face. I'm gonna tell him. Don't tell him! Emily, don't text him.

She's texting him literally right now. I'm texting him right, Stephen. Okay. In the book, Carrie doesn't die in the house, but she like walks out and is found by Sue

she and Sue have a telepathic conversation oh god I don't remember any of this where Carrie realizes that Sue was not in on the prank uh so Carrie forgives Sue and then dies so that's that's the ending

of the book. Yeah, I agree. I think the movie ending is more like powerful. Yeah, and more horrifying for Sue to just be left with that trauma. Oh my god. That is the ultimate punishment. Yeah. Oh my god. You never forget it.

You absolutely never forget it. Never forget it And you wouldn't go back and teach at that high school Well no First thing I'd do is Move get me out of here Yeah But yeah I mean Carrie's kind of a hero

I mean she shouldn't have murdered all those people But I mean had she Had she learned to control Her power We'd be looking at the next marvel superhero they're yeah alternate universe carrie you know what i mean is a is a is a hero carrie's in the avengers yeah that wasn't meant to be here wasn't meant to be um i'm so i am so happy have you seen the remake has anyone seen Not the, because it came out kind of recently, right? I feel like it did in like the 2010

or 2013 is maybe what I saw when I was looking it up. Was Chloe Grace Barrette's the, or do I just think it was her? It was her. No. I would imagine that's probably one of those ones that should have just been not redone

if I had to guess. It's tough. It's tough to do it because Carrie's just such a classic. It's just a classic movie and it's very hard to redo that. And that Sissy Spacek is so very good in it. She was also unknown at the time. She was like the perfect

Carrie. She was just not a movie star. She was just that girl. And that is really intense. Yeah. Julianne Moore is in the remake. Julianne Moore plays the mother in the remake. Oh, wow.

But no, it looks like it's not super well received. Ansel Elgort is Tommy in the remake. Whoa, I might have to watch this remake just because, like, what a strange, strange thing this is. Well, maybe I'll watch it. Maybe I'll keep you guys posted. Wow. Mary, thank you so much. Thank you for having me.

This was a joy to tell this story with you, Emily, and to you, Henley. What a treat. I just had a great time. Thank you for having me. Truly, you should be cast as Carrie in the next one. Your southern accent. I know. Mary's accent is great.

It's great. Fucking blew me out of the water. What is that? Is that a phrase? I don't know. It's a phrase. That is really good. Fucking blew me out of the water. What is that? Is that a phrase? I don't know. That's a phrase. That is really good. Blew you out of the water? Yeah.

Blew you straight out of that water. Mary, where can people find you? What should they be watching? What should they be looking for you in? There's just so many things. Well, I have to say I'm not super active on the Soch, but you can follow me. But, you know, it does give me anxiety. Okay.

I'm not posting a ton, but you can follow me because I do try to post when there's things upcoming. At Mary Holland Days on Twitter and Instagram. And then the, as far as what's going on, there's a movie I'm in called senior year. That's coming to Netflix, May 13th. Cool.

So get your accounts in order for Netflix. Everybody sign up for Netflix and agree for them to charge you more. Cause I, they just did that recently. And I am very sorry. Everyone's so mad about it. Everyone's so mad about it. And I get that. But that's out. And then there's another show that's on Netflix called

The Woman in the House Across the Street from the Girl in the Window which is a fun sort of horror adjacent genre type show. So you can have fun with that. And that's what I've got going on hell yeah oh my god

I really have been wanting to watch that on Netflix the woman in the house it's fun it's a fun watch and it's fast yes I will say my parents started it and my mom was like I thought it was going to be a fun like a play on it's scary

the first episode she was like they were like when is it going to get funny like she was not she felt like she was misled but she was told to keep going and that it and then it does mess with the genre as it continues it does but it is in a very subtle way in a very nuanced way so it's definitely not

like over the top comedy it's very sort of over the top comedy. It's very sort of layered in there. With the suspense. So it's fun. It's like a nice little treat. Check those things out Mary. Just love you so much. Thank you for being here. Love you.

Thank you for having me. We usually close the episodes with a voice and I feel like we must do Margaret White Hold on what did she say I can see your dirty pillows From all of us here

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