Too Scary; Didn't Watch - COCAINE BEAR with Wes Larson

Episode Date: March 1, 2023

We're heading back to the 80s with Keri Russell, Margo Martingale, Matthew Rhys and a boy named Henry -- and no, it's not what you're thinking -- we're recapping COCAINE BEAR! Literal bear expert Wes Larson (Tooth & Claw), is BACK to tell us everything we need to know about bears (and also to talk a little bit about the movie). Not quite The Americans reunion we were hoping for, but we'll take it!! TRAILER Recap begins @ 27:36 Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Podcast. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi everyone, welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy and I love watching scary movies and so I watch them so that you don't have to. We are missing our Henley this week. So sad. She is not feeling well.

So sad. And she's going to be so, so sad. She is not feeling well and she's going to be so sad. She's going to be absolutely devastated to hear that this movie heavily features a gazebo. Heavily? Yes, they say gazebo a whole bunch of times. It's a crucial plot point. But before we get to that, and apologies to Henley for missing that.

Did anything scary happen to you this week, Emily? OK, so I think you think you know what I'm going to talk about. I think you think you know what I'm going to talk about. Oh, my God. Let's be honest. Let's be honest when it's revealed. OK, I thought that last night I was going to have to watch Event Horizon what sammy i didn't watch it oh my god i didn't watch it i have waited a scary um so that's great for me i never want to watch it and i think i never will um but something i did watch

in the past little over a week sorry i'm cheating uh is movie Titanic Saw it for the first time in my life I can't I'm not over it I can't stop thinking about it I can't stop comparing things to it Joel made a joke That it's like it doesn't matter if it took you Until now to see it that just like

Being a Millennial woman It's just like you were now to see it that just like being a millennial woman. It's just like you were destined to be obsessed with Titanic. There's like no escaping it. It's so good. It's so it's like I actually think it's I think it might be the best movie ever made. I think it's the best movie I've ever seen. And like really what the aftermath for me.

I guess sort of what made me think about like, did anything scary happen to you is I feel like, like a part of me is fundamentally changed in terms of like, you know, I don't like watching things. I don't like watching things that I haven't already seen. I don't like watching things that are going to make me feel emotions. I would rather watch, you know, Impossible uh for the 30th time and this week I've been like should we watch new movies that I should we watch like Oscar contender should we like I was like I almost put on After Sun yesterday and it's like what I I mean that's

the kind of movie that's like yeah I'll see it eventually but i'm never trying to see it but now i'm like oh i guess there's merit to good movies and i guess they're worth watching and even like i'm like i can't watch a long movie that's fine like like titanic was three hours and 15 minutes like if i can do that like a perfect length and i want to watch it again and again and again and again and again i need to make up for lost time i just can't i guess i just can't believe how good the movie titanic is and and that like i'm maybe maybe never gonna stop thinking about it ever for the rest of my life i think about it all the time as well i mean especially these past couple weeks listeners we did a bonus episode on it and yes we just talked about it for two hours and i still have more to say i have more to say truly forever it's just so very good and i i it came out 25 years ago and i can't stop

i can't get over it um you should watch after sun though please watch after sun okay yeah i will um i'm i think i will. I think I will. No promises. No, I will. I have to because, you know, good movies are good, apparently. That's right. So. This is a big discovery.

It's huge. I'm really happy for you and you're correct. That's not what I thought you were going to talk about. Okay, yeah. Okay. Thank you for your honesty. Let's see if I know what I think you're going to talk about. Okay.

I, some people might say this is not scary and those people would probably be right. But what is scary is how much time I spend on my phone and something, a hot tip that I discovered this week, I saw someone that changed their phone to black and white. And so I did that to my phone and it's like affects the amount of dopamine you get from scrolling. Cause it's in black and white and it feels less exciting. And it's like drastically changed how much, how easy, how much easier it is for me to put my phone down. Like I get bored much more quickly now because it's black and white and it's boring it's boring and you can't online shop because like well i don't know what color any of these things are oh my god wait so like instagram's black and white you like don't

know what people are put wow i'm gonna start posting like color charts to fuck with you i won't do that i i did play i did play wordle on it and it was so bad because I didn't know which letters were right. I still got there eventually, but I mixed up the yellow and the green. Of course. Yeah. I fucked that up. Wow. Is this just like a setting or do you have to download something?

It's a setting. You go into settings and accessibility display and text size color filters turn to gray scale and it's like annoying to turn it on and off so it helps you keep it on longer but i do turn it off sometimes and can you like time it no like during the day no and apple if you're listening i would love for that option and they are the next apple the corporation and everybody the corporation yep all of them they play it the office. I think at the headquarters over the loudspeaker. It's playing all 24 seven at the Apple headquarters. Yeah.

It's us talking. And they're listening for us to tell them what to do. And here you go. You're welcome. Wow. How did you discover this? That you can't remember. It was,

you know what? It was on Reddit. And I was going to say that Reddit is the one place that it actually doesn't help because there's not tons of colors on Reddit to begin with. So you can kind of just still read and it feels roughly the same, but everything else I'd say it helps me reduce the time spent on the app. Yeah. Instagram's like fascinating, much less interesting in black and white i think of every if anyone i know you are the best at seeking out and implementing like structure around yourself like you're so good at being like okay well i want to do this thing and so i will like set up

actual tangible like barriers or pathways for this thing like i've've, I've stopped doing phones in bed because of you. I got that little sunrise alarm clock that you got because I'm like, wow, she really just makes changes. She seeks them out and implements them. This one happened by accident, a beautiful accident. I really just stumbled across it. And yeah, you'd think that I would have found this in my, in my endless search for answers. And well, you got there eventually i did get there eventually and yeah i recommend it for anyone who's trying to reduce their screen time it it i'm gonna try it working for me yeah i won't do it all the time i'm certain of

that because i like to you know shop and see colors um and and sammy that's not what I thought you were going to talk about Thank you for your honesty Oh, okay, so let's talk about now This week's movie Oh yeah I'm very excited about it We are going to be talking about Cocaine Bear In theaters now Directed by Elizabeth Banks Written by Jimmy Warden

Starring Keri Russell, O'Shea Jackson Jr., Alden Ehrenreich, Brooklyn Prince, Isiah Whitlock Jr., Christian Convery, Margo Martindale, Jesse Tyler Ferguson, and Ray Leota.

Oh, in his final role. In his final role, that's right. And I literally couldn't think of a more perfect guest to have one doesn't exist this is truly yeah it doesn't get any better than this uh he is a literal bear expert and host of the podcast tooth and claw welcome back to the podcast wes larson thank you for being here hey thanks it's good to be here. Bear expert, not a cocaine expert. That is true.

I guess that would be the actual best combo if we could have somehow found that. Yeah, I could probably find one for you. Yeah. You know, I'll get on it. Yeah, thank you so much. We were having a conversation with friends last night who were talking about wanting to, they're wanting to, what's the word, Sammy? Franchise out Cocaine Bear and be like Cocaine Shark. Cocaine.

Oh, yeah. And so, you know, as we move forward, if we get more of those. I'm in. You're welcome back. Yeah, you've got a heads up to start becoming a cocaine expert. Perfect. You've got time. All right. All a cocaine expert perfect yeah you've got time all right all right to incorporate that onto your resume um hi wes welcome back hey thanks it's

great to be back you know i have thought a lot about anacondas since we last talked and now we get to talk about bears so we're just hitting all my favorites which is really really fun yeah very exciting and also did you say very exciting i wish i did i will now it's very very very exciting to have you but i realized o'shea jackson jr is ice cube son so it's also has that fun connection between anaconda and this one. Oh, yeah. Good point. I didn't think about that. Preacher Feature Family Dynasty. Mm-hmm.

Well, Wes, did anything scary happen to you this week? Yeah. You know, I thought of something that was kind of scary. I think it was more scary for my chicken than it was for me. But the other morning, I was kind of like being lazy, laying in bed. My girlfriend had got up to feed the horses and kind of do the morning chores that she does. And I turned and looked out the window and I saw our neighborhood fox go running through our yard and it had a bird in its mouth. And we had lost a few chickens to this fox already,

but it was only late at night when like, for whatever reason, like a chicken had stayed out or the door didn't close or something. And yeah. And so I was like, fuck, that can't be one of our chickens. And it was too big to be anything else though. So I like, I ran out of the house. It was really cold, like 20 degrees.

I'm in Montana. It's really icy right now. But I was like shirtless. I just threw on a coat, ran out like barefoot, jumped in the truck, chased this fox down, like jumped out of the truck, chased it down on foot, made it drop the chicken. And then it like ran into its den somewhere around there. And the chicken, unfortunately, was dead. It was our favorite chicken. No.

It was the chicken that had like. So it was really scary for the chicken. Yeah, yeah. The scariest. Kind of the worst thing. Well, and the worst thing is that this chicken had survived a previous run-in with this fox. Oh. Where its three siblings had been killed, or two siblings.

Ah, final girl chicken. And it survived. Yeah, exactly. So it had been our favorite because of that and it also laid really beautiful eggs so that was it was scary for it and it was sad for for me oh i'm sorry nature is so crazy wes you posted this video the other day that like rocked my fucking world and it's from an instagram called nature is metal that one of the was it a mountain leopard yes yeah that's a crazy one tackling this

deer or something and they fall for so long so long so much falling i couldn't believe it and the snow leopard was fine it was like a 300 foot fall and it was just fine and they like they roll they hit rocks they are it is like it's like a cartoon where it's like everything they could hit they do over and over and over again. And then he doesn't let go of that fucking kill. No, no big injuries. Just got to enjoy its goat after that whole fall. You know, it's cool.

Animals are cool. It's cool that we have snow leopards that we have called a snow leopard. It's a fantasy ass animal right there. A snow leopard. I don't know. Snow leopard. It's a fantasy ass animal right there. A snow leopard. I don't know. Snow leopard? It's cool. Yeah.

Man, we, I thought this so much the last time you were here. We just lead such different lives. It's really like. I know. Every step of that story. Like, oh, you know, feeding the horses. Had to get us 20 degrees. That, no thanks.

Yeah. Yeah. You guys have had your fair share of cold. I was going to say it was 40 degrees here last night and it's been snowing in LA. It's pretty crazy. We are exactly up in the hills. Yeah. It's pretty wild.

I read about that. Yeah. You know, though, I think we probably have more similarities than you think. I know. I think we do. I watch a lot of TV. I watch a lot of movies. Yeah. There's always more that brings us together. When's the last time you watched Titanic?

Not too long ago. And I totally agree with your assessments on it. Like it's a truly wonderful movie from start to finish. And one of those movies, like if I'm ever in a room or like back when I had cable or whatever, that's when, that's a movie that if I had stumbled across it, I can't help, but watch the entire thing. Like I will, I will plant down and it'll be like, I'll be wanting to leave and I'll be like, Oh, but that scene is coming up, you know, where. And for three hours and 15 minutes, there's always that next scene that you've got to, why it's crowded. How Emily, we should ask, we should's always that next scene that you've got to watch. How?

Emily, we should ask. We should add. When was the last time you've seen Titanic to just our regular questions that we ask? Anything scary happen to you? And when was the last time you saw Titanic? I'm dying to know. It's a funny movie for me, too, because I think I saw it in theaters when I was probably like 12 or 13 and it was like the the probably the first topless scene I'd ever seen in my life yeah pretty wild and my mom was there with me and it was kind of like whoa I shouldn't be watching this movie I really got

away with one here oh didn't see that one coming thought it was just about a boat kind of a an interesting ride for me as a young a young boy but yeah remember those moments in movies with your parents where you'd be like if i just sit really still no one's gonna no one's gonna know that this is happening i feel normal everybody feels normal oh boy yeah anyway i Yeah it's a great movie Any topless scenes in this movie? No I don't think so Unfortunately no No

It could have you know there's a lot That's unfortunate about this movie I had a feeling It was maybe a little underwhelming It got us It has a 71% on Rotten Tomatoes 54% on Metacritic and 6.5 on imdb i will say like it does deliver on the title of the film it does that much is true great yeah the you know

the title for me was very reminiscent of of like snakes on a plane where it's like you go to that movie because of the title yep absolutely but i found myself i don't want to be too hard on this movie but i found myself multiple times and i'm thinking wow the snakes in a plane is a lot better than this movie which is saying a lot because that's not a good movie anyway i oh god i'm sorry i'm gonna try real hard to be i also did not i felt a a little bit let down by this movie, but I really wanted to like it. I mean, especially with this freaking cast, a reunion of the cast of the Americans. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Favorite show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It also the budget was somewhere in the 30 to 35 million range. So far, it's made 28. But yeah. Okay. It also, the budget was somewhere in the 30 to 35 million range. So far it's made 28.4 million. This is opening weekend at the time of this recording.

You'll get there. And trivia wise, I felt like Wes, you probably know more than me about the real event that this was based on. Yeah. Do you want me to go into it real quick? It is real quick. Yes. Okay, yeah, tell us.

Essentially, the character that's played by Matthew Rhys, which I'm sure we're going to get into at some point, is a drug runner who in the 80s, I forget the exact year, I want to say like mid-80s, 85, 86, somewhere in there, dumped a ton of cocaine out of a plane over the mountains of Tennessee and then plummeted to his death somehow. They're not totally sure how he died, but they found him on a driveway in someone's yard and he had millions and millions of dollars of cocaine strapped to his body.

And the idea was that in the plane, there was much more and he had dumped it in the forest. And then I think it was like months later maybe even years i think months later they found a dead bear that had consumed a small amount of this cocaine and the urban legend is like the urban legend is the bear can consumed like you know all of it but really they found like three to four grams in its bloodstream which was enough to kill it and so and then they found this bear and it's stuffed somewhere and it's called like Pablo Escobar um it's in like some truck stop somewhere or something but it it's a very small blip it's

something I had heard about throughout my career as a bear biologist like people had said like oh have you heard of Pablo Escobar? You know, this bear that died from a cocaine overdose. But they really ran with the story of like, you know, what would have happened had it just gotten super high on this cocaine, which is where this movie decided to go. OK. Sad for the bear. Yeah, it's just actually a sad, pretty sad story. It is sad. I sad i mean yeah there's

lots of black bears out there luckily this isn't an endangered species this isn't an animal that that um it is sad that one died from something that we did but it that happens a lot unfortunately yeah yep i do know that this was a blacklist script, I think, before it got turned into the movie. And I heard that she was, to the point we were making earlier, that Elizabeth Banks was like, I'm only going to make this movie if we can call it Cocaine Bear. Like, I want that to be the title. Yeah, it has to be. Yeah. Absolutely has to be.

Yeah, I know. The same thing happened with Snakes on a Plane. Like, they were going to change it at some point. And Samuel L. Jackson was like, no, absolutely. Yeah, I know the same thing happened with Snakes on a Plane. Like they did. They were going to change it at some point. And Samuel Jackson was like, no, absolutely not. We are not changing the name of this movie. And it's like good foresight on his part. Yeah. Yeah.

Sorry, I'm just wiping the cocaine off my face here. A visual gag on a podcast doesn't work. You think as a podcaster i would understand that visual um you know just a little something for the trivia yeah um well we're gonna so we're gonna watch this trailer i have seen this trailer the trailer is like i think it's pretty fun is it one of the well i guess we'll get we'll get into it feels like is it gonna be one of those things where it's like well that was really as much of the story as we needed. Kind of. Yeah, I'd say the movie is just kind of like a 90 minute version of the trailer.

There are a few things in the movie that aren't in the trailer that I was not expecting that were I enjoyed. But yeah, I think this trailer does a good job kind of giving you the vibe. All right. Well, let's, let's take a look at that bear. Let's take a look. Millions of dollars worth of cocaine fell from the sky this morning in Knoxville, Tennessee. There's more of this out there. They dumped it somewhere.

I'm looking for my daughter. Forest is a dangerous place. Hey, Henry. Check it out. Something got into it. A deer, maybe. A lot of cocaine was lost. I need you to go and get it.

No, no, no, no, don't eat that. Don't eat that. Let's see what kind of effect that has on us. The bear, it fucking did cocaine. the bear it fucking did cocaine a bear did cocaine apex predator high on cocaine out of his mind

oh man you fucked now I'm no cocaine expert but those don't seem like the effects of cocaine to me that's exactly what i thought if only we could know for sure there's no there is actually no way to know my understanding is that some of that is not necessarily the effect of cocaine yeah it looked more like a methed out bear to me or like than a cocaine molly at some point where it was just like yeah maybe that's just maybe that's just regular bear stuff you know see i'm you know i'm also not a bear expert yeah they do like to rub

their backs on trees right they do yeah they do so that could have just been a regular thing yeah that could have just been it coming down you know and feeling normal again sure uh yeah i i tend to agree with you it didn't seem very like i you know i've been around my fair amount of people that have been coked out and and some bears that have been on some drugs too and i don't like to me this seemed very non-indicative of a cocaine dose but who knows i don't know no it doesn't seem super concerned with um sticking to that which like you know being too realistic that's fine that's all right as we know the real story is just very sad so yeah also that was way more than what three four grams um that that yeah it eats a lot in the movie a real real lot. Yeah. Great song choice for that trailer, though. I feel like it's a very fun, very fun song.

It's a fun trailer. It's a fun trailer. I think when I saw the trailer, I remember thinking, OK, I'm ready to give this a shot. A little preface for everyone when it comes to this movie. I think bears are so near and dear to my heart. I grew up in Montana. I've been a bear biologist for over 10 years now. I care about them deeply.

They are my favorite animals. They bring a lot to the wilderness for me. And so seeing them represented in any movie is always kind of, it's tricky ground for me. It's kind of, it's like, I want want i love a movie that has a bear featured prominently but then i also it's like a uncanny valley kind of thing for me especially when they're cg bears like i have a hard time really getting into it um so i don't remember where i was going with this but i just wanted to preface that's like an Yeah, that's where you're coming from with this, which is like bears. This is a hard movie to make.

To like, to, this was a hard movie for me to even going in. Like I am a hard audience for this movie. So I just want to put that out there. And I'm not, like comedy movies in general, I think I have a very high standard when it comes to comedy movies. I'm a very easy to please movie guy.

I like most movies in general. But comedy movies are hard'm a very easy to please movie guy i like most movies in general but comedy movies are hard for me so this one it was a it was a tough one i feel the same i'm also not a big comedy person and there are some jokes in this that are so weird and i'm like is this comedy or are they just doing random shit yeah yeah that's how i felt when i when we watched um bullet train which i yes where there were some jokes that like were jokes and and other people laughed and it made me feel crazy like maybe like am i do i am i missing something fundamental like yeah that's weird when that happens i saw this in a theater in mont with like, it generally, yeah, a lot of bear people, a lot of people that generally, um, I'm not, I love Montana.

It's where I'm from, but like pretty easy going movie audience, you know, like for the most part, I'll go to movies in Montana and everyone laughs at the jokes they're supposed to laugh at. And everyone, you know, jumps at the jump scares they're supposed to jump at. Uh, it was pretty quiet yeah interesting yeah which i think was more of a tonal problem for me for me and we'll get i'm sure we'll get okay yeah but uh yeah quickly i am curious of what is your favorite bear portrayal in a movie what's the best movie movie bear? And you can say Paddington.

It is Paddington, without a doubt. I'm a huge Paddington fan. Outside of Paddington, if you're talking like a realistic bear, for me, you can't beat like Bart the Bear, who was in Legends of the Fall and The Edge and those kind of mid-90s to late-90s movies. Is Bart the Bear the bear actor? Yeah, he was the bear actor and was very famous. And he's in multiple films. So literally just his filmography is solid. Yeah, exactly.

The filmography of Bart the Bear. Yeah, it is. A great actor, bear, very convincing. Animals have IMDb pages, right? I think so. I think he does. I would imagine he does. Because I want to know where I can look that up.

Yeah. Yeah. I think so. I would imagine he does. He was a very famous one. Yeah. Yeah. Anymore, I think, I think CG has gotten so cheap that it's cheaper to, to animate your bear than have an actor.

Um, and we don't need to get into all the ethics of acting animals if, unless you want to, I'm happy to, if you do. But someday I do. It's also interesting. But I would say briefly, i'm not against it and then as far as like the cg stuff goes uh the revenant had a really good cg bear i was very i was very much i haven't seen it i won't ever but i was curious of your thoughts on the revenant bear a really true portrayal of what a bear attack looks like when it's a grizzly bear really good bear like the bear behaved like

a normal bear it just was it was a good all together representation but again it's still kind of an uncanny valley for me where it doesn't quite look right so yeah uh-huh okay and this bear looks very cg there's parts where it kind of looks like Paddington, but crazy. When it's like staring straight at camera, I'm like, I see Paddington in here. I just wanted to make it really expressive. Like it's like eyes furrow when it's upset and stuff. And that to me is what kind of throws me. But I do understand the necessity for that. Again, if any of the filmmakers hear this, I think you put together a great movie for a lot of the general audience.

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I also before we get into the movie want to say that before my screening they played a red band trailer for the new Evil Dead Rise movie and I think it was the thing that stuck with me most from this whole screening was that trailer there's a part that involves a cheese grater. No! That they showed that I literally screamed. It takes a lot for me to like really be affected by something in a horror movie. And I, oh my God, I don't know if we can cover it. I'm scared. I'm scared. I'm excited for that one.

I loved it. I loved the 2013 one. So I'm pretty excited for that. I still haven't seen it and we get it i loved the 2013 one so i'm pretty excited for that i still haven't seen it and we get it requested all the time we should maybe do that first okay sammy you know we're gonna have to do it i know but i'm just like just want the listeners to know maybe somebody will watch it for you i mean not me but maybe somebody else that i'm gonna be really upset there was some stuff in there i didn't like wow it looks gross but it's the combination i think of the expectation of how many jump scares are going to be in that movie mixed with the

violence i'm just going to be so tense the whole time which is a little less fun for me um sure but i i i will do it i will do it for you guys. I'm very excited for it. So brave. So brave. Oh, my God. I couldn't even watch Event Horizon, which is a movie I know everything that happens in. To be fair, it's a scary movie. Yeah.

Yeah. I just didn't. I just don't ever want to. And I think it's. That's fair. And I don't have to, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

But you have to watch. I have to. Sorry. That's right. OK. But we're talking about you know? Yeah. Yep. Yep. But you have to watch the movie with that. I have to. Sorry. That's right. Okay. But we're talking about Cocaine Bear. We're talking about Cocaine Bear. And I heard there's Matthew Rhys in it.

And so I got to get to that. I got to get to that point at least. Well, you're in luck. You're in luck. It starts with Matthew Rhys. And yeah, we just get one scene of him. But I didn't know he was in it. I was delighted.

He's kicking drugs out of an airplane he looks like he's on drugs he's really dancing around kicking blocks of cocaine out of this airplane and puts on a parachute as about to jump out and misjudges the height of the door and slams his head against it and falls out of the airplane unconscious. I. Oh, well, bye, Matthew. For me, walking into this, I was kind of like I had just gone bowling with my nephew, niece, and they were really annoying.

I was kind of in like already like a little annoyed. And that scene put me like in a good mood i was like oh i'm ready for this movie like this is gonna be fun and i was thrilled to see matthew reese show up because i knew carrie russell was in it and margo's in it and i was like oh great we got a little mini americans reunion here in the 80s there's a boy named henry a lot of americans references or things that remind me of the Americans, which probably worked against this movie for me. Yeah, totally. Tough comparison.

But yeah, the opening scene for me was really fun. I was I was excited. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. And then we go to a couple that is camping. Is this in Georgia now? Are they in the woods in Georgia? Yeah, I think so.

And one of these is Christopher Heaview, who is Tormund from Game of Thrones. Love him. Yeah, me too. Oh, yeah. He's great. But they're a tourist couple in the woods the woods and they are talking about their upcoming wedding and then they spot a bear. And Wes, I really was curious about this because they say, oh, yeah, if it's brown, lie down.

If it's black, fight back. I'd never heard that rule yeah is that true no it's not i wanted to talk about this great great uh the common phrase is like if it's brown lay down if it's black fight back if it's white say good night so the whole idea is like play dead with the brown bear grizzly bear fight back with the black bear and with a polar bear, you're just kind of fucked. You're dead. But that's not true. So the black bear part is true. There's no point ever in a black bear encounter. If you're attacked by a black bear that you should ever play dead.

They 100% if they are continuing an attack on you and it keeps coming, that bear is trying to eat you. That's what's happening. If a black bear is just like continuing to push an attack and, and, and, you know, keeps coming at you. Um, so you need to fight back. Cause if you just lay down, it's just giving it an easy meal with a brown bear, a grizzly bear, it's much more nuanced. It's very nuanced. And like my whole thing is like you shouldn't be in grizzly country without some kind of deterrent. So, you want bear spray. Ideally, if you feel very, very comfortable with a firearm, I guess a firearm is an option too.

But bear spray is proven to be more effective and it doesn't kill the bears. So, it's kind of a good outcome all around. And then if you're attacked by a bear, you can use that deterrent. But my main three rules with brown bears are to group up because they don't like attacking groups of people, back away slowly. You never want to run from a bear that can trigger this predatory response where it wants to chase you down. And then get your bear spray out and get it ready.

So, those are the three things that you should do with a brown bear. And the only time you ever play dead with any of these bears is with a grizzly bear. If it has attacked you and you don't have a deterrent option anymore and it's on top of you mauling you, at that point, you can play dead and just hope that it was a territorial kind of like it's trying to just neutralize you because it probably was that's probably what it was trying to do and it's probably going to stop mauling you at that point but you've surrendered all your control at that point you're just like i hope this bear isn't trying to eat me because if it is yeah it's going to it's so crazy to have to like think of thinking

those thoughts in that situation so like just being like okay yeah this is what i should do right now as you're yeah but the thing though if you are with if you're in a group and you've grouped up and if you have bear spray the chance of you getting to that point where the bear is mauling you are essentially zero it It's just not going to happen. Yeah. So there are very easy ways to avoid it. Yeah. And if you're growing into bear country, you should listen to Ethan Klaue.

You should also be like, okay, what would I do? You need to know. Yeah. You need to know what you would do. Right. It's like, I don't necessarily need to know what I would do here in my home in LA. You might, though. I mean, if you're hiking in the foothills or something, there's a chance that you'll

run into a black bear. I saw a bear off the five once. Wowie. Yeah. Yeah. They're up there, but they're black bears. And honestly, and this is a black bear in this movie, when it comes to them, it's just being as loud as possible.

If one decides to kind of square up or bluff charge you or whatever, you just remain dominant. You throw stuff at it, you yell, you get as big as possible and it's going to run away. And, and again, like if you're in a group, you have nothing to worry about. If you're by yourself, just remember those things. If you do make a habit of hiking by yourself even in black bear country just carry bear spray it'll 100 give you the confidence you need to end any encounter with a black bear so yeah i mean they make a thing called bear spray they do like and it works great you should have it you're gonna be so disappointed in me so when i went on my solo road trip i went to the grand tetons and went on a hike that literally said, don't do this hike if you don't have bear spray.

And I was the idiot that was like, it's probably fine. There were a lot of people around. And but then I like got to a point on the trail where it was all of a sudden just me and I was so scared. And it's a loop trail. So it was kind of like, well, either I was about halfway. So I was either way. It's it's a loop trail so it was kind of like well either i was about halfway so i was either way it's it's the same and it just looks like this absolute picturesque bear territory and so i was yeah just terrified thought i was gonna die but i i just clapped the whole time just made loud

noises was that a good option to do yes i was just like it is this is kind of all I got right now. The bear you're worried about there are grizzly bears. And like by clapping and announcing your presence, it's eliminating that or not totally eliminating, but at least drastically reducing that potential for a surprise encounter where you might like round a bend and the bear didn't know you were coming. bear didn't know you were coming. And these bears, what they have is this, this kind of set distance in their mind where it's like, if I have a potential threat approaching me and it's before this distance, I have time to get away. So I'm just going to run. But if you come around a corner and you're 10, 15 feet from this bear, it doesn't have that option anymore. And it switches to its other option, which is to neutralize you, just to absolutely knock you down and make sure you're not a threat anymore. And that's where you see a lot of attacks come from is people that aren't making enough

noise or trail running or something like that. And they don't give that animal time to make its decision. And because of that, it makes a really fast, aggressive decision. And with a black bear, it's going to run up a tree. It's just going to get out of there. With a grizzly bear, there's a good, it's going to run up a tree. It's just going to get out of there with the grizzly bear. There's a good chance it's going to knock you down. And that can be pretty devastating. You know, just one swipe can be enough to change the rest of your life. Well, I did buy bear spray right immediately afterwards.

That's good. Yeah. I mean, I work in Yellowstone and every so often I find myself out without my bear spray and I try to never do that. And I know these animals really well. I know their behavior. I know how to react to them. And I feel absolutely naked without it. Like I feel very vulnerable. And if I feel that way, someone who understands them so well, then everyone else should realize like this is a good tool to have. Yeah. Let's get our bear spray folks. Don't fuck around like I did. understands them so well then everyone else should realize like this is a good tool to have yeah let's get our folks yeah don't yeah don't fuck around like i did nope my god also like that isn't a nice way to enjoy your hike if the whole time you're like okay i hope i don't get attacked yeah i was certain i was about to die it was not fun yeah it's not it's not fun at all oh boy okay so okay so they see this they see this bear and they kind of don't know what the fuck to do and they make the mistake of running or at least the wife does they're kind of like oh i don't know what to do she runs the bear attacks we see that

it seems like it's already high on cocaine based on the things that it's doing it's acting strangely it's headbutting one of the trees typical cocaine stuff yeah classic we all we've all seen it yep and it does attack and kill the wife and i believe rips her leg off and like tosses it back at the husband to let him know that she is dead. Him and the audience will find out that she's not coming back. She's not coming back from this. Because the leg's tossed out. One other thing I just wanted to say about that really quick, and I'm sorry, I'm trying

not to get too into the weeds here. I like it. This is all we need. But this is truly right up my alley. This whole idea of not running, and this kind of feeds into what we were just talking about with any large predator they're trying to decide what you are when they see you

and they're kind of doing this calculus of like okay is this a threat you know is this food what is this and the second you turn and run it's like oh that's what food does you know like that is a food response for that predator

it's like oh this might be food. And that's what triggers them to chase you down. And so that's why you never want to run. Because when you run, you're acting like prey. And if it does decide it wants to run you down, it's more than capable of doing that. You're not going to outrun any of these animals. No. So, yeah.

Yeah, God, imagine thinking you were going to outrun a bear. Doesn't happen. Absolutely you can't outrun a bear. You can't outrun them. That's crazy. You can doesn't happen. Absolutely. You can't outrun a bear. You can't outclimb them. You can't out swim them. The only thing we can do is outthink them. So, yeah. Oh, Lord.

So after that scene, we meet, kind of go through the rest of our characters. There's basically three or four storylines happening concurrently. And the first one is we meet a detective at the crime scene where Matthew Reese's body has been discovered. And this detective is played by Isaiah Whitlock Jr., who is from The Wire. And he's Clay Davis in The Wire. That just goes sheesh. And he's my favorite character in this i just love him so much yeah he's great in this he's so good and he seems to piece together that he knows who the drug kingpin kind of guy behind this is which we okay wait also

in this scene though this is the joke the running gag That is so bizarre That it almost kind of worked for me In a way but he The detective his name is Bob In the credits I don't remember them calling him Bob but maybe I'll call him Bob

Or maybe I'll call him Clay Davis But he basically turns To Another one of the officers at the scene and asks her, you have a dog, right? This is a weird joke. She says, I did. And he's like, oh, I'm so sorry. And asked her what kind of dog it was. It was a Border Collie.

And he's looking kind of like jealous about this. He's like, oh, that's a, that's a good dog. That sounds like it was a really good dog. And she's looking at him like, what the fuck is he, what's happening right now? And he goes into his car and we see he has a like fluffy show dog, new dog it's got a little bow in its hair and he looks at it like like he's disappointed that this is the dog he has instead of a border collie or something else like that like when you get a dog you just are like one dog please please dog lottery yeah yeah and it's such a weird joke but he kind of sells it in a way that it was like it was making me laugh but in a way that i was like what the fuck is this joke yeah they really commit this movie if it does one thing it really they really commit to their jokes yeah you know they run with them yeah yeah and he even at some point is back at the um station and is on the phone with wherever he got the dog from and he's like i was thinking i wanted more of like a golden retriever or

something this one seems kind of fancy i don't know i just had to talk about it because it was so, so bizarre. Very bizarre. So that's one of our little storylines. And then we also have Keri Russell and her daughter. Her daughter's name is Dee Dee. And Keri Russell's a nurse. Her daughter is a teenager. There's some amount of tension between them. But K Kara Russell seems

like a great mom and she's packing her lunch to get ready for school and Dee Dee and her friend Henry decide they're gonna skip school ditch school and they're gonna go to this waterfall for some reason that it must have missed it must must have zoned out at that moment. She wanted to paint it or something. Yeah. And she wanted the light to be just right. So they were going in the middle of the day. Yeah. She's very artistic, this little girl.

Classic skipping school. She's got an Adamant poster on the wall. What's Adamant? I didn't notice that. Like a pop, like a, like a, Adam Ant was like a band in the 80s, but I think it was mostly one guy and it was like very new wavy kind of pop. Like artsy. Art punky. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It is set. It's set in the 80s. There's, I guess some 80s outfits ish. Carrie Russell's outfits a little.

Sure. She looks pretty 80s. outfits ish carrie russell's outfits a little sure she looks pretty easy um so that's happening then we also have esteemed character actress margo martindale incredible as the park ranger who is horny for some guy that's coming in she's like dressing putting on her lipstick and her perfume and she's very excited for this guy that's coming what is his job he's he's like dressing, putting on her lipstick and her perfume. She's very excited for this guy that's coming. What is his job? He's like essentially a biologist, I think. Yeah.

Which is my job. So you get it. Yeah, this happens to me all the time. This is constant. You drive in the park, Rachel's crazy. This is what it is. This is what it is. But his, like they call him like wildlife.

It was like sounded very corporate. Like he was there to do like a census of the wildlife, which does happen again in in wildlife biology. But his title was very strange. I can't remember what it was exactly, but it it was like they hadn't gotten the rights to call him a wildlife. He's the guy, you know, you know what he thinks. Yeah. It felt very like, to me, it felt very much like LA trying to figure out what a wildlife biologist is.

No offense. That is probably exactly what that was. Played by Jesse Tyler Ferguson, right? Yep. Yeah. Who I literally didn't recognize in a wig. Neither did I. You said it and then I saw him in the film like oh wait what yeah yeah I didn't realize it was him which is pretty funny yeah um but so there's those characters and then we also have Ray Liotta as this drug kingpin guy, the guy in charge that meets with O'Shea Jackson Jr.,

who's one of his henchmen, I guess, is basically like, go find the lost cocaine and bring it back. There's a storyline that's really unnecessary here of, I don't know what. The grandson. of i don't know what the grandson yes uh ray liota is babysitting his grandson and he's clearly not the normal grandpa type and so he's very upset by this and he also tells this o'shea i can't remember his character names either i don't remember anybody anybody's character names except for henry it was like david david was his character yeah uh so he tells david go get my son eddie i did write that one down and like he needs to get his son back because i'm not a fucking babysitter and we find out eddie is all heartbroken over his ex-wife leaving him or

something this i can't emphasize dying oh yeah dying yeah it's it's the weirdest subplot that amounts to really nothing at all and huh it's very strange like totally this is one of the weirdest movies i've ever seen in my entire life and i can't overstress that i think it really succeeds when it really leans into just being a violent cocaine bear movie and the kind of more action set pieces i think is when it's best but then it tries to put in these weird little themes of motherhood and what being a parent means and it's like no no no we don't need that here cocaine bear well and it's simply just like throwing characters at you too for a little bit and you don't ever have time to care about any of them. I, I have never cared less about any characters in any movie that I think I've ever seen. And so when they all get dismantled by this bear, spoiler alert, you don't really care. Like you're kind of just like, all right, you know, there's's no there's absolutely like no stakes to any of the deaths because of that um i feel like carrie russell

because i love her so much right i found myself caring about her character but that was pretty much it for me yeah yeah that's i'd say similarly it's the actors that i care about like i like margo martin and like a great cast yeah like across the board i just saw alden i don't know how to say his last name han solo yeah i think erin erin rake yeah something yeah erin rake he was just in this movie i saw at the film festival at sundance film festival called fair play which is like a great movie just he's a great actor yeah i. I really like him a lot. And so I was really excited to see him too, but I just felt like it was kind of wasted. It was kind of sad to me to see this be Ray, Ray Liotis last film too. Cause he looked,

he looked cool too. Like I was really excited to see him, but yeah. Yeah. I mean, and they're all giving it, they're all in doing the best that they can with the material and they're all great actors and it's fun to see them but yeah it's it is just all over the place yeah um so yeah we're now jumping around these couple storylines first i think what happens is dd and henry are now in the park in the forest and they come across some of the cocaine and it looks like something's gotten into it. One of the bricks has been opened. There's another, uh,

they're scattered around and Henry acts like he's done cocaine before. They also both immediately know what it is it's like a wrapped up brick there's no way i would have and they're like this looks like drugs right exactly yeah but then it's kind of funny henry she's's like, oh, if you've done it before, do it again. And then she says he's he's scared to do it. And so she says, I'll do it. How do you do it? And he says, you eat it and you eat about a tablespoon of it. That is kind of funny.

It's like I like this part, eating scoops of cocaine and spitting it out because it's so gross. And I just it really was making me laugh henry's kind of like a less confident dennis the menace yeah like it was like okay dennis the menace if he's like maybe a little bit depressed is like how i would describe henry yep and then after they eat cocaine the bear arrives and does it do some cocaine then it's it's attracted to the cocaine we i think so we see and so i think it takes it from them or something or there's one on the ground and it bites it open and snorts it up and we just see them scream and it cuts away so we don't see how that scene ends yeah at this point i also was

like okay maybe the bear is supposed to be acting so aggressively just because it wants more cocaine so badly yeah like you know it's not necessarily that the cocaine is making it that aggressive it's just that yeah it's fiending for more cocaine. So we'll do anything to get more cocaine. Yep. We see David and Eddie at a bar. Eddie, again, like crying over his wife who maybe died. We never find out. He got a tattoo of her name that her name was Joan. But the tattoo says, John, is this a joke? I think it's supposed to be funny.

Seems like a joke. They bring it back up, too. That's not the first we hear about the tattoo. And he basically convinces him to come with them to retrieve the cocaine. But in doing this, someone else at the bar overhears their conversation. else at the bar overhears their conversation and that somehow gets passed to the detective who decides he's gonna uh go and pursue this case even though it's technically not his jurisdiction but it's clear that he's been working on like ray leota's case for a long time and so he's personally invested so he's now also on the road to go

check it out. And when he leaves, he leaves his dog with the other officer. And it's another very weird little joke scene where it seems like he's going to ask her out kind of like, he's like, hey, could I ask you a question? And she's like, oh, I think that that's not. And he's like, Like he's like, hey, could I ask you a question? And she's like, oh, I think that that's not. And he's like, will you watch my dog while I'm gone? And leaves the dog on her desk again. It's, I think, supposed to be funny. And it kind of is just because it's so weird.

Well, that was funny to me, too, because it's like you think that he's going to ask her out and then they dismantle that. And you kind of are relieved because there's a big age difference and everything. Yeah. And then but then later they kind of hint at him still having romantic feelings for her. You're just like, wait, you're not authentic. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. It's very strange.

So weird. Carrie Russell gets a call from the school that the kids didn't show up and so she somehow figures out that this daughter wanted to paint that waterfall maybe she sees her paints or something so she puts it together and she's now heading into those woods so it's like basically all of our characters are making their way to the same place carrie russell goes to the ranger station margo martindale and jesse tyler ferguson are there's okay i'm just i can only refer to them by their actual name what else what else are we supposed to do you know um and the three of them go out into the woods and it's clear that margo martindale's a little

irritated by carrie russell being there because she wanted to again hook up with this guy and so now carrie russell is cock blocking her and she again hook up with this guy and so now carrie russell is cock blocking her and she's not being discreet about it she's kind of being like a pretty funny role for margo martindale who again is really giving it her all and she is i mean she she is you know amazing she is she does great in this she She does. So they leave and after they are gone, we see Daveed and Eddie arrive at the ranger station. Now no one is there. Daveed goes into the bathroom. We've heard whisperings of these three kids in town that are troublemakers up to no good and have been attacking people and like stealing money from them or whatever and so there's a run-in in the bathroom david's in the bathroom and these three

kids come and attack him and he fights them off and uh finds one of the bricks of cocaine on one of them. So this is a little clue. He threatens the one guy that is remaining conscious and basically says, where did you get this? Did you, is there more of this? Take me to it. And this is where we find out the stash is hidden at a gazebo. We like to track our gazebos in horror films we do and i can't wait to find out what this

gazebo looks like prominently featured there's a lot of gazebo action in this um thank god david does get stabbed in that altercation too which actually led to my favorite joke in the movie because later him and eddie and one of these like art punk hooligans are hiking. Who was honestly probably my favorite character. This like hooligan that they take along with them. Yep. And he's complaining about being stabbed. And the kid's like, yeah, it does kind of suck to get stabbed, huh?

It's just like such a weird one-off joke. But I found it actually really funny. That was like the time where I laughed pretty hard. Yeah. You got to take the good jokes where you can, you know? Yeah. I appreciate them. Treasure them.

I liked his character quite a bit. He was a funny character. Yeah, he was funny. And so now we see Carrie Russell, Margo Martindale, and Jesse Tyler Ferguson come upon Henry. And he is up in a tree hiding and tells them that there was a bear and that it attacked them. And our wildlife biologist, in theory, but maybe not exact term, tells them that that doesn't that that wouldn't happen and that that black bears aren't aggressive in that way do they tell him about the cocaine as well yeah i think he brings it up at that point says that it's like this isn't a bunch of cocaine yeah yeah and he's in the tree because he thinks that bears can't climb trees they they definitely can famously yeah

if you know if you know what cocaine looks like without the internet but you don't know that bears can climb trees uh get your priorities in order kids where is this knowledge coming from i don't understand yeah and black bears especially are are excellent tree climbers this is where they go to get away from danger. It's considered like escape terrain for them. So that's why you find them often in forests. They always want to be around trees because they know they can get up them to get away from threats. So yeah,

this is not the place to be hiding from them. It's not, it's a bad, it's a bad place. A bad spot, but they, something happens that they, uh, Jesse Tyler Ferguson's character falls into. I think they're hearing the bear or something.

And in the commotion, he basically falls right onto the open bricks of cocaine and gets covered in cocaine. In cocaine And The bear is here now Drawn by the scent of cocaine Which he's apparently Addicted to and fiending for And He attacks

Margo Martindale Oh excuse me Spoiler she I mean We find out later in a Crazy line that this bear is female. Oh, yeah. We'll get to that. Yeah, we'll get to that.

So the bear attacks Margo Martindale, slashes her butt real good. Slashes her butt! Slashes her butt, yep. And is flinging her around. It's not looking good good it's all things considered it's not the worst place to get slashed that's where i want to get if i ever get mauled by a bear i want a good like butt slash because it does seem like a funny place it's a good place to take it it'd be funny to show people funny it would be funny we all would laugh and so you know

that would be good i hurt my butt is what you tell people and it's funny we all like it yeah yeah and uh jesse tyler ferguson also climbs up the tree to get away from this bear for some reason i think just in fear he's not thinking straight and he gets up the tree next to henry so they're on trees right next to each other uh carrie russell's at ground level hiding behind a tree and we're all witnessing this this bear for the first time seeing that okay they were right this is not a normal bear something is uh weird here and the bear climbs up the tree going for Henry. I think this is when

Jesse Tyler Ferguson's character gets coated in cocaine somehow. And so the bear instantly switches directions and goes for him and mauls him to death. Oh boy. And yeah, he tears Jesse Tyler Ferguson apart again, tearing that

leg off. He loves to do that, this bear. Yeah. Yeah. And we always get to see it kind of flop down next to the victim. She, exactly. Yeah. There was probably my favorite part of watching this movie was there's a scene where Margo

Martindale is, she's like got her gun out and she's in the bushes and she's like looking for the bear because they know the bear's around and then you see it kind of creep into the frame behind her and though and it's very obvious it's like suddenly there's a big black bear in the frame behind her and the woman sitting next to me like pointed and turned to her husband and said there it is i love it when you overhear something like that three seconds after it appeared and it was like very much in frame it was really funny to me yeah that reminds me of i went to see fly away home in theaters i must have been like seven or something but i went with my mom's my mom and her friend and they are two kids who they were

like four and five i think and the second the movie started one of the little boys said where are all the geese that's great just can't wait instantly can't wait for those geese i get it like they just got him in the theater and being like It's okay there's gonna be a lot of geese I understand you know It makes sense So I think

Everyone Splits apart in the chaos Of that scene so Margo Martindale's Running back to the station henry climbs down the tree and him and carrie russell are are trying to figure out where didi is and he kind of knows the general direction which she went so they're going to be trying to find her and so we see um margo martindale gets back to the ranger station the other two guys from the fight earlier with david are in the ranger station kind of tending to their wounds from that yeah

from that fight and margo martindale has like crazy energy that they think is about the guy that attacked them. But she's talking about a bear, obviously, we know. And so she's like, he's coming back. He's coming back. And they're like, oh, man, fuck that guy. Fuck that guy. And she grabs a her gun. and it's like you can hear some something outside the door and tells one of the guys to open it he's she's gonna shoot it and they're like oh well that's kind of more intense than we were

thinking this was gonna go but okay they open the door we see it's a bear they're very shocked by it she shoots and she hits she just blows one of the guy's heads off. It's not a good shot. It's a straight kill shot to one of the guys and his head basically explodes. Oh, my God. It's pretty funny. Yeah. Blood goes absolutely everywhere in Little Ranger's cabin.

Yeah. Oh, my God. She doesn't even really seem too remorseful about it. She's still very focused on the bear and that imminent threat. So there's no beat of like, oh, fuck, I just killed someone. The focus remains on the bear. The bear comes inside and I think attacks and kills the other guy. Yeah, the other guy is considered better to get shot in the head.

It is for sure. Yeah. And not know that it's coming. Instant death. Instant surprise death. Yeah. And not know that it's coming. Instant death. Instant surprise death. Yep. Totally. There's a, they're looking for the bear and the other guy like backs up against a window

and the bear shoots its arm through the window and grabs him by the face. And then later we see that other guy like totally decapitated and he's in a different room where the bear's feeding on him. Yeah. Being grabbed by in the, in the the bear's feeding on him. Yeah. Being grabbed in the face. It's not great. Yeah. Butt is much better.

Butt is much better. Butt is much better, much funnier. That was actually my final tip. If you're being mauled by a bear, just stick your butt out. Butt first. Let it at your butt. Shake your little juicy butt for that bear and make it go for it. Back away slowly, butt first

Butt first, back away No, probably not butt first For the backing away If you can manage it This seems like a tricky physical way To contort your body But if you can figure it out You know, could be worth trying

Maybe practice a few times at home Practice at home first So, yeah there's destruction happening at the ranger station we go now back to carrie russell who is with henry and toe looking for dd going deeper into the woods which i think she probably should have taken henry home right like they're in pursuit oh yeah henry's a in pursuit Henry's a child She wants to find her daughter but yes certainly The responsible choice is Not to take another kid deeper into the woods

Send him with the ranger send him with Margo back to the Station Which also you know probably wouldn't have ended Well but it does seem like That wasn't a good place to be but But I was just Thinking this probably Shouldn't have taken him with on this journey. And you would think this bear has been very murderous at this point.

Like it is just killing everyone that it comes in contact with. And so when you learn that Dee Dee is missing, you immediately think, oh, this bear has killed this little girl, you know? Right, yeah. But then Henry says, oh, she ran off and it chased her or something like that. And that was kind of confusing to me. I wasn't sure if the bear had dragged her away or if it had been chasing her. Right. But we learned that she had been like squirting paint on things

to leave a little trail behind, which they initially think was blood. But it turns out, you know, we all brewed a sigh of relief for this girl that we cared not anything about actually. Isn't dead's just paint yeah um and then there's a little trail she's very clever she's left a little paint trail in her chase throughout the forest yeah smart um Then meanwhile, we have David and Eddie arrive at the gazebo, but the detective is already there. Actually, I guess he's there by himself first. And we see him realize that the place that the duffel bag of drugs has been stowed is at the top of the gazebo in a place that's pretty hard to reach. And so he's like trying to figure out how he's going to get up there. We don't see how he does it. But then we come back when the when the other two arrive. And he's now on top of the gazebo with the back

duffel of drugs. And they're both like pointing their guns at each other. And he's like, you guys are caught like I've got you. And he's like like i'm coming down there and i'm gonna arrest you right now and he can't figure out how to get now off of the gazebo and we find out that he he climbed up a tree and jumped onto it so now he is stuck on the top of the gazebo also kind of kind of a funny scene Him trying to figure out how to get down I like that part He's great And they're in a Standoff And David at one point

Lurches forward Like he's going to go under the gazebo So that he's not in the line of fire anymore But the detective shoots at that moment And like at his hand for whatever he's he's going for his gun because he's thrown his gun away yeah oh right yeah and so and so the detective shoots and he pulls his hand back and he has two fingers missing but it's his uh either middle and pinky or pointer and pointer and ring i think it was this pointer and ring finger yeah the guy that you like the little delinquent guy says like how did you those figures aren't even

next to each other how did you shoot those two and that was a good gag yeah that's pretty funny yeah uh it's tense uh they're they're they're like have their hands in there and they're like, OK, OK, man, OK, OK. And David asks Eddie to grab his fingers for him. He puts them in his pocket. And I think is pretty soon the bear arrives and we've now got a whole bunch of cocaine. And how do they figure out that the bear likes cocaine? I can't remember. I'm trying to remember. Somehow the bear is coming at them. And well, actually, first, before the cocaine gets involved, the bear walks up. And I'm so curious, Wes, what you think of this bear behavior?

what you think of this bear behavior. I mean, I guess he's coked out of his mind. So we'll factor that in. But it walks up and kind of, I would describe it as almost dances with Eddie. It like holds it. It's like on his hind legs and kind of tossing him around in a way that looks like it would probably be painful because it's a bear and then the bear passes out on top of eddie like collapses like all of its body weight falls down uh on eddie in a way that i would think would mean

instant death yeah how much does that bear probably away? So I was thinking about that as I was watching this movie And my guess would be somewhere in like The 350 to 400 pound range Oh, okay So that might not instantly kill you No, it's a lot of dead weight to have fall on you But it spreads out too

Because they're like a very Right You know, like they have lots of fat and stuff so it will spread out so i think you'd be fine but yeah the the whole part where it comes up to like just you'd survive because he's not even injured at all i don't think you would break anything unless it like fell from a good distance but where it kind of just collapses all right so this is scientifically sound yeah i mean i've been under a bear or two in my lifetime and like not never its full body weight on me but like half of its body or part of its body on top of me and it's you you can you can do it it's like it'd be like if you were to stack three or four hundred pounds

of like concrete bags on someone like they would it spreads out enough but it wouldn't be comfortable i was gonna say it sounds bad to me the whole part of it like dancing on him i was worried that they were gonna like make it a sexual thing where they're like gonna because at this point we don't know the the sex of the bear and i was like oh they're gonna say this bear's humping him um but that weirdly enough, where at the end of that, it kind of starts to get a little aggressive. Like you kind of think it's about to maul him. That to me was the most on the nose part where it came to like bear behavior, where generally if a bear comes and approaches you, especially a black bear, and it is investigating you as a food source,

it's probably going to do these cautious approaches first, where it's kind of going to like check you out, maybe, you know, bite at you a little bit, stalk you. And then that'll kind of progress into a mauling and a much more aggressive attack. And that's kind of what this looked like to me. Like it was trying to figure out if he was food. And then right at the end, it was about to, and then it passes out. Okay. Well, I stand corrected because I thought this scene was like, what is happening right now?

Where they're like dancing, that wasn't at all. But more just the behavior of the bear and checkings out this new thing in its environment. They are curious animals and they will sometimes do that. Especially a bear that's very comfortable around people or that has gotten a food reward from someone at some point may do something like that or a cocaine reward yeah yeah exactly a little cocaine classic cocaine reward absolutely yeah and this is where we find out that the bear is female because eddie says her vagina is on my head which is weird because the bear had passed out on him like like its neck was on his head and it was like no he said on my ear too he's like it's vagina it's vagina's on my ear and i was like wait i like i wanted it to it is yeah it's like unless

it's vagina's in its neck i don't think. Yeah, then there's other weird things about this bear because that's not... Yeah, it's very strange, but... Huh. You know what? I bet that he... Because obviously that's, you know, they just put a fucking sack on him or something, or maybe nothing. Yeah.

And he probably improvised that line or something to do something funny. Right. And then when they CG'd'd the bear in that is not how the bear was positioned and they just didn't cut it yeah had they just positioned that bear you know 180 degrees the other direction it would have worked perfectly yeah i think it was just like a line that was said because there was no bear there yeah right and then they put the bear in wrong yeah it really makes you think, you know, as someone who's had to sex a few bears in my lifetime, it's not always that obvious either. So I don't think you would be able to say it was such confidence. I've never,

yeah, I've never been able to, I feel like identify anything through touching it with my ear yeah exactly it's not easy yeah that wouldn't do it uh but we leave that scene for a bit we'll come back but now we go back to the ranger station i think this is my favorite sequence of events a ambulance arrives at the ranger station. They called one, I guess, after shooting the guy in the head or maybe before. I can't remember. And the paramedics come in to a bloody, horrifying scene. They see the dead body and Margo Martindale is in the corner looking kind of she's alive, but she's looking like she's in shock. She can't speak. She's going, but we know she's alive but she's looking like she's in shock she can't speak she's going but we know she's trying to say bear uh but she can't get it out and the other guys

oh the one of the paramedics sees a pool of blood coming from a storage closet slowly tiptoes over to open it. And basically all of the body parts of guy number two tumble out and he has been just completely torn apart, mauled into all these different, yeah, torn apart and all the, all, all the pieces come rolling out.

And then in the corner of the storage closet we see the bear the bear it's a very jumanji-esque scene it's like head emerges from the darkness like the lion in jumanji yeah that would be scared me so bad when i was a kid yeah me too me too and it's covered in blood and growling and slowly stepping forward and the paramedic slowly closes the door calls to the other paramedic we should go the other paramedic is using a stethoscope to check margo martindale's vitals and margo martindale grabs the end of it and is going to book, book, book, book. And at this moment holds the end of the stethoscope to her mouth and says bear. So it's really loud in the girl's ears.

No idea why she does this. Nobody would ever do this. She's kind of a dick. You can say bear. Yeah, that's true. Say it out loud. You can just say it. She's right next to you.

She'll hear you. Yeah, that's true. You can just say it out loud. You can just say it. She's right next to you. She'll hear you. And then at that moment, the bear busts through the door, again, landing on top of this other paramedic guy. Paramedic one with Margo Martindale grabs her.

They run out to the ambulance. She puts her in the back and gets in the front to drive away. They're calling out to the other guy like, come on, can you get in? And he, I think there's the bag of cocaine in there and he reaches it and is able to toss it into a place that the bear gets off of him so that he can get out and get away. And the bear is preoccupied now with the bag. It might be not a cocaine bag, but it's like a different, might be just a camping bag, but the bear associates duffel bags with cocaine now. So it's enough of a distraction that he's able to get away. They start up the ambulance. He jumps in the back, but they leave in such a hurry that they're not able to close the back doors. So they're running or driving with the back open, screaming. And in a now high speed pursuit, the bear is

chasing after them. And Margo Martindale's shooting at it, not getting it. And eventually we get this shot of it leaping into the air in slow motion and landing in the back of that ambulance. And now we just see from the driving point of view of like the woman driving, we see, hear all these bad things happening in the back and then the other paramedic guy like reaches forward and his wrist is how do you describe it it's like separates yes it's like almost cut off and basically folds completely the other direction It's really nasty. It reminded me of Green Room. Yeah. And so, yeah, the bear is attacking both of them. Could a bear run as fast as a car? So a black bear can get up to like maybe 30 miles per hour. Grizzlies a little bit faster.

So, yeah, it's possible. They'd never do it in a million years. Um, so yeah, it's possible. Um, they'd never do it a million years unless like it was really pissed off. For some reason, a grizzly would maybe chase you down. Like I've had a grizzly chase my truck down before because it was one that I had trapped and let out and it was just pissed off. But like, no, I wasn't going that fast. Like I was going, you know, maybe 10 miles per hour or something.

And you survived that. It didn't get, was there a reason you were, maybe 10 miles per hour or something. And you survived that. I did. Yeah. Was there a reason you were only going 10 miles per hour while a grizzly was chasing you? It's just like rough, uneven terrain, you know, hard to, yeah. Was that really scary? It's scary. It's like when you're in a truck, you're pretty safe, but it's not something you want to have happen necessarily.

Sure. And it's just the bear kind of like reasserting itself because it had just gone through this exactly it just went through a really bad experience and it's like hey i'm a fucking grizzly bear i can you know i can kill you kind of thing so but yeah like a couple can i like before we finish this scene there are a couple like interesting bear behavior things. Hit us with the bear facts. Because we do have a couple more things that happen in the scene, I know.

But as far as like it chasing down that that one paramedic, like it seemed like it was really focused on him. They do sometimes do that. Like when when you encounter a bear, if it's pissed off enough, they do tend to focus on like one person and kind of like they'll go for that person until that thread is neutralized and they'll go for someone else. So like this is kind of like more higher level. If you ever have an incident with a bear, this isn't something you should have rattling around in your head because this isn't necessarily a situation anyone will ever find themselves in. Anyone will ever find themselves in. But if like a bear is focused on someone, if there's other people there and they can kind of clap and get that bear's attention, it'll break its attention. It doesn't really then have like a target selected. And that works with other predators, too. You don't ever want them to like focus in on one person because then it's that person's in some trouble and it's hard to break that focus. Um, the other thing that was really interesting and you know, you guys are a horror podcast. So we're going to talk about something horrific. Uh, the part where all the blood's coming out from under the door. I've always on our podcast on tooth and claw, we talk a lot about like people being attacked by animals and it's all about, you know, usually why

the person made a mistake or the animals behaving naturally and the person did something wrong. But when it comes down to it, the animal that I would least want to be killed by is probably a bear because they don't like a big cat will dispatch you. It'll, it'll like bite your throat or, or separate your vertebrae or do something to kill you because it's going to want to drag you somewhere and eat you in peace. It wants to like get you out of a place where other predators might stumble on it. And then it has to compete for that kill. A bear kind of generally knows its top dog,

doesn't really have to worry about many other animals. So, a bear will literally just sit on a person and eat them. And like this is like a rare bear that decides to be predatory. It hardly ever happens. When it does though, it doesn't predatory. It hardly ever happens when it does, though. It doesn't kill you. It just starts eating you. And like people will bleed out from that.

So it can last 10, 15 minutes before you actually die. Like Timothy Treadwell, the grizzly man, he he I got to then get to I had to listen to a little bit of that audio from that movie and he lasted a long time like he wasn't um i couldn't listen to the whole thing like i told my professor to turn it off but i have his autopsy photos and everything he was alive for a long time before he finally bled out and then we did an episode on this woman cynthia dussel bacon who survived a black bear attack in alaska but it chewed both of her arms off before she was rescued. She lost both of her arms and it just sat on her and did it.

And there was nothing she could do. So, this is not, it is not an animal that, it's so rare. There's 800,000 black bears in North America and it's like one in a million that will kill a person. So, it's like roughly in a million that will kill a person. So it's like roughly every year and a half that someone dies from one of these guys. And when you think about it, it's like one in 16,000 people that will kill someone else. So you're much, much, much, much, much more likely to be killed by a person than a bear. Yeah.

But when they do decide to eat someone, it's a really, really bad way to go. Really horrible. Yeah. Yeah. That sounds bad in the past two minutes i think i felt my soul leave my body it's not yeah but i don't okay so on our podcast we do a really good job of like explaining why you don't need to be afraid of these animals because there are certain and like I don't want to paint this really terrible picture in this little five minute run about this. I feel like what your brain is programmed to focus on is just picturing the bad thing. Yeah, it's like Titanic. Like I can't I can't not imagine what it would be like to die on the Titanic.

I'm not freezing in the water. And yeah, I'm not not imagine what it would be like to die on a Titanic. Slowly dying and freezing in the water. Yeah. I'm not going to be on a ship like that. It's not going to happen to me, but I can't help but be afraid of it. It doesn't make me, that doesn't make me hate the bear or think like bear, you know, that's how how that's just how it is. The thing I never want to do is like make someone too scared to then go out and enjoy the great outdoors or like or go out and have a fear of an animal that they don't need to be afraid of. Because if you are prepared for these kind of encounters, bear spray, bear spray, you know, hiking in groups, making noise, those kind of things. You don't you can then if you see a bear, you get to enjoy that experience. You get to actually like see how beautiful, amazing, curious, like wonderful these animals are. And I like on any given summer, I see hundreds of bears

and I, I never once have had a situation where I felt it was out of my control. I've never once felt like, oh, I'm in a lot of trouble here. So it's, you know, it's it's easy to do. It's just some simple little things that you can learn by listening to my podcast. But it's not it's not hard. And so I don't want to scare people. But it it is just so you know, you don't want to go this way. It's a bad way to go this way. It's a bad way to go.

That might now be my number one worst possible way to go. It's bad. It's worse than any other animal in my, in my opinion. Like I'd much rather get killed by a shark or a lion or something like that than than a bear yeah yeah all right sorry it's good it's good it's good also it's like it's yeah we just like we talk about scary movies and all these you know things that humans write in that so twisted this movie that i made it's like well actually the scariest possible thing is like actually what would happen if a bear killed like a real like a thing that's real that's that those like the scariest thing i've ever heard it's something we all have like deep

inside of us too because instinctual fear yeah ancient man used to have to deal with these things on a day-to-day basis and so it's still inside of us like when you see a bear you still get that shot of adrenaline and you kind of like feel these like primal feelings that you haven't felt. And I'm like, that's something that's addictive to me. But like, I think you can have that feeling. You can see an animal that we have such a rich, long history with in a safe manner. And so that's like, that's my mission is to prepare people for that. Anyway. safe manner and then that's like that's my mission is to prepare people for that anyway so margo falls out of the ambulance okay yeah sure her little um what do you call gurney thing flies out and flips. Flies! Yeah, basically, because the ambulance is still going full speed

and she lands face first on concrete and basically grinds her face to death. She's dead. Oh, yikes. It's pretty nasty, but I will say the violence is, it's not like super realistic looking. It's kind of cornball violence. Yeah. So it's not like super realistic looking it's kind of cornball violence yeah yeah so it's it's manageable but those were the this was the scene i feel like that went hardest with some of those violence and gore um which is my favorite scene yeah and uh so the the bear kills Margo's dad.

Bear kills the guy. And then the other paramedic driving the ambulance screams. And in being distracted by it, everything that's happening drives full speed into a tree, flies out the window, and she also dies. So all of them done so. Bear walks away. Someone unscathed yeah there's fine yeah yeah and we see that dd is in the bear den like a cave oh boy we don't know how i like did she get chased into the cave did it take her her into the cave? We don't know. We don't know. Okay.

Yeah. And we'll never know. No. Doesn't matter. And we see that Kira Russell and Henry are like getting pretty close to them or close to finding her. But then we go back to the gazebo. And they. Wake up the bear. They're like pushing it to see if it's dead. Did it die on him?

And it wakes up. And it smells cocaine I think. And they somehow put together. That this bear loves cocaine. And the detective. Wait so there are two bears? No it's the same bear. Oh it's the same bear. We're just cutting back

and forth in time oh then i must have it must have not cut this scene up sorry that's my that's my bad okay yeah i can't remember it shows back up it's one bear it's one bear okay yeah and so they are the detective cuts a hole in the cocaine and is like pouring it off the side of the gazebo to distract it to get it away from these guys and then throws another uh brick of cocaine down we see a shot of the bear kind of running and it's like it's showered in cocaine looking absolutely delighted like it's it was kind of funny too the detective and these like criminals call a truce, which I liked. They were just like truce. And then they're just like buddies.

There's some more pressing issues here. They both instantly agree to it, which I really liked. It didn't have to do this like back and forth. They're like, okay, yeah, yeah, truce. Enemy of my enemy sort of situation. Yeah, exactly. And then the bear eats the other brick of cocaine like fully. It's not open, just eats the whole the whole thing.

And they all look at it like, what the fuck is that going to do? They're trying to decide if they should shoot it. Detective says, no, let's see what kind of effect that has on it. For some reason, he's just a little um or also probably thinks that it's going to kill him because it would it would absolutely and it doesn't the bear just is rolling around now on the floor in a way that we'll never know if real cocaine would do. Yeah, we're not experts in that. So we'll never know. I think it grabs the duffel bag or maybe the detective throws the duffel bag down to it.

Just like the situation is seeming like we need to get this bear out of here. It's obviously very dangerous. And so I think he throws the whole duffel bag down. Bear grabs it and runs off with it, presumably back to the den. The den. Yes. So now the detective and the two guys are standing in another little standoff with their guns pointed at each other. And they're like, we're leaving.

We got to go get the cocaine. And detective's like, no, you're not leaving. You're under arrest. And then the detective gets shot in the stomach. And Eddie looks at David like, what the fuck, man? And David's like, I didn't do that. That wasn't me. We see that Ray Liotta has arrived.

And he had a little sniper. And he shot him. arrived and he had a little sniper and he shot him. And in the car with Ray Liotta is the other officer and the dog that she was dog sitting and she, they're in on it. She works for them. She's a crooked cop. Crooked.

Don't really know why. What does this add to anything? It just is a plot line that they wrote for some reason. Well, we wrote it. So we got to do it. It's in the movie. Yep. And as the detective is laying there dying, like bleeding out, he sees her and he looks betrayed.

But then he's asking about his dog. Like, is the dog okay? This dog that he just got that he doesn't like. He doesn't like. And he then lays back and he's seeing these visions of the dog and kind of dies dreaming about the dog and is smiling like, oh, my dog. And he dies. He came full circle on the dog yeah yeah oh my god and so now all of our remaining characters are heading to that bear den they're in pursuit

they need to get the cocaine back and they uh carrie russell needs her daughter back so we're all culminating in this one place and, uh, Carrie Russell and Henry obviously get there first. Uh, and we see that there are two little bear cubs that are also, also cocaine addicts. Yeah. Yeah.

Coked out, covered in, covered in white powder. I hate to see it. Yeah. It's a devastating. Yeah. And they find Dee Dee.

She's fine. She says that the bear cubs are harmless. They're just focused on playing with each other and getting high on cocaine. Can't blame them. How dangerous are bear cubs, Wes? Not. These ones are probably like like i would guess they're you know five or six months old would be my guess and if you were to pick one up it would mess you

up it would like it would claw you and bite you and then you would get some cuts but it would never attack a person it would run from you it would be an animal the only way it would hurt you is if you tried to like grab it and hold it and i did i picked one up once and it got me pretty good so it's like you don't want to mess with them but i mean a kitten will like fuck you up with those sharp little claws and they'll just you know bite at you and somewhat similar honestly so yeah bigger yeah yeah and so they're about to grab dd and get out of there when the other crew arrives and they have guns and they seem dangerous and so carrie russell and the kids turn around and start going deeper into the cave to look for another exit and come out the other side uh where there is a waterfall the waterfall i think yeah it is and then they sit down and start to paint they're behind it

yeah they're like behind the waterfall kind of like in um the second jurassic park movie anyone or the t-rex okay but i can imagine what being but you know where that is you know the side the rock side not the water side totally you know the pool side yeah yeah i get it yeah you got it there's a weird part they like come upon the surviving camper uh torment from the beginning he's very um looks still i don't know what he's doing he's kind of just sitting there like freaked out shell shocked yeah yeah and they i don't know just walk past him again it's just i guess to see him again he doesn't really serve up later dead because they like one of the other officer

like trips over his carcass yes which they for some reason show us in a flashback as that group arrives at the cave they say hey let's maybe think about this remember that dead guy we saw and it flashes back to that scene which is

just a very bizarre storytelling choice I don't know if that was something that was done we saw and it flashes back to that scene which is just a very bizarre storytelling choice i don't know if that was something that was done in editing because it didn't there's no other flashbacks in this movie wait i feel like oh fuck we forgot about the hiker that's what it felt like to me was they were just like oh shit or like how do we get 10 minutes out of this movie let's just not show that scene and then show it like a flashback. Just put it in a little bit, yeah. But so, okay, they arrive at everyone. Everyone is now at the cave.

And eventually the Ray Liotta and the other guys come also out to the waterfall side. come also out to the waterfall side there's one of the duffel bags full of cocaine is hanging on a branch right outside like right by the waterfall but it's just barely out of reach they're trying to get it the bear cubs are like running around at their feet looking like cute and playful but ray leota's he's an asshole and he's kicking at them being like get out of here and there's this is where there's it's kind of trying to all of a sudden have this theme of motherhood of like we're seeing carrie russell and her two kids like and this understanding about cocaine at all which is real shoehorned in and completely unearned and And yeah, it just feels very out of place. And Carrie Russell, I think as Ray Liotta is kicking the bears,

the mama bear hears it and arrives. She's pissed. She's pissed, obviously. She's above them on a ledge and is like starting to climb down and carrie russell says to the two kids uh let's jump like we'll be fine which is what seemed really crazy to me it's a big assumption because it doesn't seem like she's ever been to this waterfall before like you don't i feel like yeah even i think that's just like one of my fears is, is like jumping from high heights whenever we're at like. To a rocky.

No, even if it's at a lake or something, like I get freaked out jumping off like a high rock ledge into water. Cause you can't, you don't know how deep it is. But even if I'm seeing people doing it, like it still feels really scary. And she's kind of just, I mean, to be fair, their options are not great. I guess it's like bear or... But she just seems 100% confident. Like, do it. It's going to be fine.

Maybe she's portraying that for the kids because she's a good mother and this is a movie about motherhood. But they jump into the water and they do survive. And it is fine. But I just thought... I don't know if I've been able to make that We didn't know that Call so easily And then there's kind of a confrontation Between Ray Liotta And his son

Eddie where they're airing Their emotional baggage A bit that also Just isn't like I don't Care at all about it Doesn't matter what This movie's about mothers it's not about fathers We're not into this relationship Also, just isn't like I don't care at all about it. Doesn't matter. This movie is about mothers.

It's not about fathers. We're not in this relationship. I don't I don't know how I'm supposed to feel right now. It's very clear that race is not an emotional journey we've been on. No, but it's like Ray Liotta cares about the drugs more than he cares about his son. Ray Liotta cares about the drugs more than he cares about his son. It's becoming evident that he's probably not going to survive this because of his insistence on not wanting to leave the drugs behind. I think Eddie's being like, we got to leave and we got to jump. And he's like, no, I'm staying. And so he's under the gun with the Colombians.

He's got to get them their drugs. Yeah. Yeah. For their money. He's already lost a lot of them. He has. Yes. Cut your losses, Ray Liot leota jump from that waterfall yep so eddie and david jump fake your own death pretend the bear got you yeah perfect start a new life wouldn't be hard yeah but they jump ray leota does not jump the

bear gets to him and at some point he shoots it and it falls to the ledge and it seems like it's dead. It collapses, looks dead, sad. And then some little sprinkle of cocaine, I think, in the fight or whatever, like puffs out of the bag and drifts down to the bear's nose. It's all he needed. Sorry, mother. Ayers knows She's resuscitating Her And she jumps

Up and gets back to Ray Liotta slashes his belly I think and kind of Spits out the bullet on her way up Oh my god I forgot about that Hell yeah So badass mothers are so Powerful

There's nothing a mother can't do to defend her children. And then, yeah, disembowels him and basically feeds his intestines to the little bear cubs. They're also getting in on the cocaine as well. So it's a little cocaine and Ray Liotta feast. A little drug orgy. Yeah. Come out on top. And,

um, then I think we just see the, the rest of the crew at the coming out of the water that everyone has survived. Uh, David has been shot, but there's a very, it's a very weird part.

This was maybe the weirdest thing for me in a very weird movie. There's a part where like Daveed and Eddie are talking and like Daveed's been shot. He gets like hurt throughout the movie. I think he was kind of like a punching bag. Right. And so he's like holding his gun wound and Keri Russell and the kids had like, you'd seen them like leaving the water kind of or like going downstream and then all of a sudden she like pops out of the water in front of them like she'd been swimming underwater and then like her head shoots up out of the water in front of david and eddie and and then she's like here i'll help with that and the little boy's like she's a

nurse but it was so strange to me that like i think they're trying to get an extra jump scare of her like popping up out of the water but it was like oh so she swam underwater to approach these two just to like pop up in front of them it was very strange that's when i was like okay fuck i've i've had it with this movie i don't know what this movie's trying to do and it's also just that him being shot has no real stakes or purpose either she's just kind of like he got stabbed before i'm a nurse and she tends to his fingers yeah yeah oh right he's had a hard day yeah so all his wounds are are bandaged up and he's gonna be fine and they're they're going their separate ways. And Carrie and the kids go home

and the daughter's like, sorry for being a brat earlier or something. They get some closure there that, again, we don't care at all about. Sure. And then Eddie and Daveed are walking back to their truck and the crooked cop lady walks up and gives them the dog for some

reason and yeah eddie eddie's healed eddie yeah this is for eddie's healing and him and his son are now gonna raise this dog incredible and then i think it's that's basically it and then there's two like credits mid-credit scenes that i get it's i guess i don't know they're both i'll be honest i i was like halfway out of the theater by the time the first credit scene came up because it was like this is a movie where i immediately popped up and was like okay i'm out of here i watched the first one, which was my favorite character. Yep. The like the art punk. Hooligan. Yeah. And he I can't even remember what happened.

He was like walking on the road. And he has one of the duffel bags of cocaine. And he gets a farmer or like someone that's carrying a bunch of sheep in the back stops to pick him up and he tosses the cocaine back there and gets in the seat with him and then says wait wait wait stops the car gets out and grabs the cocaine and brings him in it brings it in the seat in front of him kind of looks at the sheep suspiciously like we don't want any cocaine sheep it's a very dumb joke And then there's Of course a joke It goes back to credits and then back to Another scene of we see

Eddie and David I think arriving like With the dog somewhere and Of course the dog eats David's fingers Got it We had to have that in there Poor David That's it David's fingers. Got it. Yep. We had to have that in there.

That's it. Poor David. Yeah, that's it. Those fingers aren't going to do anything for him at this point. No, probably dead. Those fingers seem so crazy. I was thinking about that. I feel like you'd have to do it right away. So, I've learned a bit about this through our podcast.

You can reattach body parts after they've died sometimes or not completely dead, but when the limb or whatever is almost dead, but they have to get it alive first. So sometimes what they'll do is like graft it onto the person's arm

or stomach or something. Oh my God. And feed it into those vessels. So you just get a little finger on your stomach? Yeah. So we just did a story about a guy who had lost almost his entire face to a bear and when they found him they found his nose on the ground with like his mustache attached and the guy picked it up and put in his pocket

and doctors attached it to his arm and he had it there for like years before it was finally ready to put back on his face oh my god that's so crazy human bodies are insane yeah it's wild yeah so it's it is like why could it be but like if it can be reattached somewhere to come back to life why can't it be reattached where you want it i'm not i think it's because there's so much other constructive stuff that has to be done first to like put it back in that spot like it's like a plant right so just like keep it to keep it alive while they're like fixing everything else and then it's kind of like the the last little flourish you know putting that nose back crimes of the future the ear guy with all the ears all over him i haven't seen it yet i need to see it you have to take the nose off the arm where you had it yeah which is like this guy did just years of surgeries

tons of like reconstruction i will say this like sammy when you were talking about gore, if you ever are just in a really morbid mood, there are some crazy photos online of people who have had their faces absolutely removed by bears and survived. Oh, my God. There's one in particular. We haven't done a story yet. Absolutely removed. Everything is gone. Is what you just said.

Jesus Christ. Everything. It's like the gnarliest stuff and and they survive but then like go through just years and years and that's why i say like even if a bear doesn't kill you it can absolutely change your life um so you just yeah you want to be real careful you don't want your face torn off by a bear seems less fun when it's real i don't know if that's the kind of gore I'm after. It's not.

I don't think. Yeah, don't. Honestly, everyone out there listening, don't look these up unless because I promise you it's it's worse than what you're imagining. Yeah. Just so you know. Oh, my God. Yeah. I got to say, I got to say, I find it So fascinating

And like I'm not I feel like I have Like a the only animal I have like A fear fear of that is unreasonable Is sharks other than that I have like A very I'm not really scared of Any animals but I have like a Respect for that you know I don't want to be attacked by one and I Don't want to put myself in a position to but like

Hearing about bear attacks like doesn't make me Scared of bears if that makes sense But listening to your Podcast is maybe The most fucked up I've been from listening to Anything I listened to because I think when you came on

You recommended what Night of the Grizzlies Like the first grizzly attacks That happened in where were they The first fatal grizzly attacks in Glacier National Park. Yeah. Grizzly attacks. And I was so destroyed over it. It's a sad one.

I couldn't stop listening. I couldn't. And like I could, and it's a two parter. Couldn't stop listening. Yeah. I would like listen to part of it. And I would,

I would like be so fucked up and I would, I would talk to my woman about it and be like, I just listened to to part of it And I would like be so fucked up And I would talk to my boyfriend about it and be like I just listened to another part of this Grizzly attack story And he was like what are you doing But I couldn't stop But also it's like it's so much worse than horror movies It's like so much worse

Yeah the thing like The thing about it though the thing that we're Trying really hard to do is that When you read that blurb in the newspaper Or like on you know like like the thing about it though the thing that we're trying really hard to do is that when you read that blurb in the newspaper or like on you know like any news site it's always like you know woman stalked by bear or women mauled by bloodthirsty bear you know but like even the one you're talking about in night of the grizzlies it was like those were bears that have been fed and conditioned oh my god it's so obviously people's fault it's crazy

and there was this whole like this whole circumstance of months in the building to lead to that death yeah and it's like once you understand that there's all these little complicated cogs and pieces that go into these interactions and you realize like okay i i just need to pay attention to these warning signs and i need to pay attention to the animal's behavior and these different things. Even though the stories themselves and the gore and all that is scary, all those details give you the confidence that you need to like actually feel more aware and confident around these animals. And that's kind of our goal. To not make those mistakes. Yeah.

And I was really nervous starting the podcast because I'm a biologist. I want people to care about animals and love animals. And that's kind of our goal. To not make those mistakes. Yeah. And I was really nervous starting the podcast because I'm a biologist. I want people to care about animals and love animals. I was nervous that we would be scaring people and that people would be, you know, that this would make people see animals negatively. And that was like, from the start, my goal was to do the opposite. And it's been shocking that people have really responded the way that we wanted and that it we get messages constantly from people saying i feel so much more confident going outside now that i know exactly what i should do should i ever be unlucky enough feel like random and senseless the way that like violence can when like you said like you're so much more likely to be killed by a person yeah i like this movie um

it's just it's not they're not like animals don't have like violent and malicious intent. They're not, it's not like how. Yeah, they can get pissed off. The only thing we can do is outthink a bear, right? They're not like plotting your demise. No. Yeah. But it is.

I'm glad you liked it. I mean, it's so, you do so clearly like come at it from a perspective of mean it's And it's so You do so clearly like Come at it from a perspective of Respect for animals It's so obvious It's just like You know Real shit is

Yeah it's scary So scary Totally Nothing a little Nothing If you ever get hurt If you ever have your face Ripped off by a bear

Just do a bump of cocaine And you'll be fine That's what we learned From this movie You'll be fine You'll get rejuvenated You'll be fine. That's what we learned from this movie. You'll be fine. You'll get rejuvenated. You'll be okay. It'll bring you right back to life.

Oh my God. Well, I mean, once again, this movie would have been so boring where we're not able to fill it with bear facts. Yeah. I'm happy. I'm happy to, you know, I'm happy to be the official like animal reach out for You are. You absolutely are. are you absolutely are and we had listeners we had listeners be like oh you have to do cocaine burning you have to bring us back it's like well yeah obviously obviously yeah I was happy to get the call uh I'm here I'm here for you whenever you need me to break down some animal facts I'm around thank you so much Wes and yeah I guess just remind the listeners

where they can find Tooth & Claw and you. Yeah, you can find Tooth & Claw on any podcast platform. Like we just mentioned, I think a really good starting point is our three-part series on Night of the Grizzlies. But really, pick an animal that you're most fascinated in. Listen to that episode. We've really enjoyed making it. And yeah, it's out there.

And we'd love to hear what you think about it. Yeah, check it out. Wes, I want to have you back for a shark movie next time. Sharks are my favorite animal. Emily's terrified of them. I love sharks. My biggest fear. Yeah, that would be, I think it would be important.

I think it would be important for us to do. They're a top animal for me. Probably number two. So I'm happy to talk sharks. I do have a lot of respect for them. It's just a lot. It's just, you know, there's a lot about it. It's an environment we're not comfortable in.

Yeah, they're in the ocean and I don't like that. The ocean is so scary. That's where Titanic sank. It's dark there. That's where the Titanic sank. It all dark there. That's where the Titanic sank. It all comes back to the Titanic. It always does. The ocean was the enemy of the Titanic.

Yeah. I can talk sharks about as long as I can talk bears. So anytime. Wow. All right. We'll definitely have you back. All right. Thank you.

And yeah, we sign off with a voice. We didn't really do a lot of voices but they are in georgia so there is an accent and let me think or in the trailer what does he say that's the kind of oh my god what was that it's the kind of thing that sticks with a man forever okay so from all of us here at too scary didn't watch kind of i don't know got a little weird there but goodbye bye thank you so much for listening to another episode of too scary didn't watch if you like the show please subscribe wherever you get your podcasts

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