Too Scary; Didn't Watch - DEEP RED

Episode Date: October 4, 2023

Creative kills, neon-red blood, leather gloves and a soundtrack by a band called "Goblin", we're recapping Dario Argento's DEEP RED! This 1975 film is considered a definitive part of the Italian giallo genre, so we can all feel a tiny bit smarter after listening to Sammy recap it for us!TrailerRecap begins @ 30:22Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram.Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content!Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy.Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Podcast. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi everyone, welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily, and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley, and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy, and I love watching scary movies. And so I watch them so that you don't have to. And we are officially in spooky season. Spooky season!

Wow! October. Oh, my God. Theooky season! Wow! October. Oh my god, the spookiest month of all. Oh my gosh. And we have a little bit of haunted housekeeping. Because of October, we're doing another Halloween live show, you better believe it.

Oh yeah! What will our costumes be this year? What will they be? I've got one idea and it's not great. I have zero ideas. I have zero ideas as of right now. I don't know you guys. Yeah. Mine is a little TBD as well. I feel a lot of pressure since last year. I really went all out with my last year was amazing. It's hard. It's hard when you set the bar just so dang high yeah yeah so we'll see what i can come up with you got a few weeks to to figure it out because hey when's that when's that freaking live show this live show is going to be on october 29th

at 5 p.m pacific 8 p.m eastern we are going to be joined by a correspondent paul f tompkins again our halloween buddy second annual halloween show it's now a full tradition and we are going to be talking about the pope's exorcist which i'm very excited for i think it's going to be a really silly good time i'm very excited for russell crow it's going to be a really silly good time. I'm very excited for Russell Crowe's Italian accent. You better believe we're going to be doing Italian accents throughout this podcast. Cool, yeah. So if that sounds enticing to you, which how could it possibly not?

You are going to want to get a ticket at moment.co slash TSDW. It's going to be spooky. Good time. If you're available on that spooky, good night. Join us freaking live as usual. There will be a video available of our show for the next week. Yeah. Next week.

Yeah. So you can buy a little ticky, go out, have your Halloween weekend fun Treat yourself You can even watch it on October 31st If you wanted to

Really spooky Halloween night As we all know So Get a freaking ticket We had so Much Fun

Last year With Paul It was just the best And I got high hopes for this one. I think it'll be just as great, if not better. We'll have to see. We'll have to see.

Will Henley have a newborn? Will Henley be nine and a half months pregnant? Will Henley be there at all? We're playing it fast and loose with Henley's body and Henley's offspring And so you're not going to want to miss Wherever we're at On October 29th But you guys better believe that

If I am present I will be bringing the goods As in A.K.A. a child A.K.A. a child no the child's not going to be present But some details About exorcism, because I'm going to give everyone a little peek behind the curtain about what it's really like to be a priest doing an exorcism because Tim, spoiler alert,

Tim has a actual priest mentor who has done exorcisms. I can't wait. So we're going to, we're going to hear about that at the live show. Yeah. Which I'm excited. I'm really excited to talk about. Yeah. Hopefully, you know, I'm present for that. I can't wait. I'm so excited. What if you named your daughter the goods? wait. I'm so excited.

Also, honey, what if you named your daughter The Goods? Emily has been trying to name my child. I'm trying to name her so hard. I do want to thank everyone who voted in the poll. It seems like Tony, pig face, wig face is the final decision.

That's set in stone. There's nothing else you can do about it. So that's that. Yeah, I don't know why you're still coming up with names. It's kind of stunned. There were some people in the comments who were like, I can't believe she actually crowdsourced the name of her child. It's 100% serious.

It's a binding contract yeah sorry big face weak face can you imagine on the birth certificate i voted for it every time they wouldn't let you they wouldn't let you write it on they would they would kick you right out yeah that's a good question do they have laws about that i feel like some reporter just did this and named their baby something crazy just to see and then they did. I think they have to let you do it. Yeah. I don't think they're allowed to not let you put whatever you want on there. Right?

Yeah. Probably. Because who would be the deciding factor about what crosses the line? Exactly. That's a real slippery slope. It's very funny to just have it be like a nurse just be like a nurse. Just be like, no. Anyway, I'm excited for this live show.

I'm excited for our costumes. I'm excited for Paul. Whatever they may be. Everything is looking great. Everything's looking great. I can't wait. And other than that, did anything scary happen to us this week? Great. Everything's looking great. I can't wait. And, uh, other than that,

did anything scary happen to us this week? Well, last night we had some friends over Sammy included to watch the season premiere of the golden bachelor, which if anyone is not familiar is the newest season of abc's the bachelor franchise and the bachelor is 72 and all of the women are in their 60s and 70s and i've got i've got high hopes i'm a little nervous i'm a little nervous that gary is not built for this um i don't want to see a 72 year old man torture through an emotional breakdown, which we're already seeing bits piece of.

He's already cried a lot. He has. Well, he's cried about his, his wife's passing. His wife died six years ago and it's a really sad story. And it, he cried while telling it and it was very sad.

And yeah, I'm not, I'm like not looking forward to seeing Gary emotionally tortured. But I am excited to see these women in their 60s and 70s bond. I hope they're nice to each other. Anyway, that's not what I'm here to talk about. What I'm here to talk about is we were having people over to watch The Golden Bachelor. It was a plan.

We were excited. Talked about it for weeks. We ordered a bunch of food. Midday yesterday, I got a text from joel i said well our tv died just wouldn't turn on completely dead done dunzo bunzo um and so joel went in the afternoon bought a new tv brought it home i got home from work at 7 p.m and Joel and I had to take our tv off the mount take the brackets off get the other tv out of his car bring it in reinstall it get it up on the mount people were coming over at 7 30 and so one by one our friends came into our home with like all our furniture spread out a big tv

face down in the middle of the living room we were meeting a friend's boyfriend for the first time. And it was just like, Hey guys, come on, come on in. We were both like sweaty. I didn't have a chance to shower after work. Just, it just was a real,

Joel kept saying it felt like a living nightmare where you're like, people keep coming to your house and you're like in a, some sort of dream sequence where it's like, I had to buy a new TV. I had to put the TV up and then people kept walking in. And then I'm trying to have, you know, there's just a lot, there's just a lot going

on was it an old tv how old is this well it was about six it was about six and a half years old and through some research you'll learn that the lifespan of a tv is like four to seven years which feels like total bullshit that is fucked up that is so fucked up truly the tv had been being very annoying for a while like it would me nervous because my tv does the same it'll like turn off randomly yeah i'm watching tv just sort of freeze and i have to we have to reset it we would have to reset it like all the time yeah i'm sorry sorry to say sammy because it had worked we'd watch tv on it the night before we watched tv on it every night and then you know next day not not working but now we have a new TV

they just keep making these things better and better you guys it's thinner it's lighter it's paper thin razor thin it is absolutely cut myself out it's uh putting it back like taking our old TV off I was like this thing's massive putting the the new TV on. Oh my God, a breeze. And Joel, the blacks are super black. Joel's really excited about that. It's OLED. OLED. It's OLED.

OLED TV. But now I'm sitting in the office where we have our giant old TV just in the middle of the room and a bunch of boxes. And I'm like, I don't know what the fuck we're going to do with that. Yeah. It was just a whole to do that I was not expecting. And it's really crazy that sometimes you just have to like go buy a new TV in the middle of the day. And just be like, I guess I have to make a big purchase now.

Getting rid of old electronics is like my. It's so stressful. It gives me a lot of anxiety. Like I have a printer in my car that's broken that i'm just like i'll just keep it out of sight i guess out of sight i'll just move it to a different location i feel bad to throw it in the trash but also where else does it go i think i can take it to like staples and i'm wondering if we can take our tv to like a best buy and be like you deal with it you You take it. You have. This is for you now. You have TV now. I don't know what we're meant to do.

If I, you know. But just halfway, we got an open, but Jill's really excited. We got an open box price on our new TV, half off. Incredible. So keep an eye out for those deals, you know? So, kind of scary. Kind of scary. Do you have anything scary that happened to you guys this week? I have two

Vessel related things And One of them Is just a little Disturbing I guess Which is that They announced That there is a

Titan submersible movie Now in the works Oh no Are you kidding? Oh no Is you kidding? Is it starring like Bradley Cooper? I feel like he would star in it No casting announced yet No, Jeremy Renner's gonna star in it

Oh my god Jeremy Renner's definitely gonna do it So You know, obviously I'm gonna be Seeing that movie, but I just, you know, I don't feel happy about it. I don't feel great about it. Yeah.

It just feels like, you know, too soon. It's a little too soon. Some might say in the same calendar year is way too soon. Way too soon. It almost feels like a crazy thing happened and people died and somebody went, ooh. It feels like it was an immediate ooh. Yay for me. Also because that's the type

of news story that was huge for a very short period of time. But by the time this movie comes out, it's going to be like, wait, what? You're making a movie about this? Also, it's like not what is this? What's the who's our hero? What's the story here you know yeah i'm very skeptical i'm not i don't i don't love that don't love that but uh something that

i forgot to talk about was not this week it was in fact not even this month so i'm really really cheating here but it just felt like something i should have spoken about which was that while i was in sweden in stockholm i went to a museum called the vasa museum which is a big vessel um that they built in it's a it's a big old ship yeah it a big ship. Does Vasa mean vessel or is the ship called Vasa? The ship is called Vasa. I think maybe both. I, you know, don't ask me too much. Okay, okay, okay. But the ship, it's so funny.

Okay, it was built in the 1600s and on its maiden voyage setting out to sea oh no it sank within minutes like truly immediately after setting sail a slight breeze blew in and and tilted it slightly and it uh the little holes where all the cannons are supposed to come out just started immediately filling with water and it sank immediately. And 30 people died, which is very sad, but it's so funny that it's just like you, it took like two, three years to build this thing. And you guys, nobody caught that. And it's like, we'd built ships before. Yes, we did. And ships were kind of the main thing.

They literally put holes in the bottom of the ship in the wrong place. I mean, if you're going to put holes in the ship, you got to put them in the right place. You got to put the holes in the right place. And I think it had to do with the ballast and the bottom of the boat not being wide enough. Oh, my god. Also like that history has deemed it a slight breeze is so cruel. People felt

the need to be like hey it was also like not even a big thing. It was like just a regular day. Just a slight breeze. The sort of thing that I think at that time ships need. Yeah. In order to move.

Yeah. It had sails. It did have sails. So. So that's tough for Vasa. That's really tough for Vasa. But I turned into a absolute lunatic in this museum. Just like so delighted and fascinated. And in the gift shop, I had to be restrained from spending all of my money. I wanted everything. I didn't have room

in my suitcase. That was really the main deterring factor, but I bought a shirt. I bought a mug. You gotta go to a stateside Vasa museum. Yeah. Yes, I do. I got, but I did get a shirt. I got a mug. I got a dish towel. I got. Hell yeah. Postcards.

I got, I feel like I got more. Oh, matches. I got a lot of stuff. But if you are ever in Stockholm, it's a must see, folks. Not even just for Vesselheads. I have heard that everybody loves this. It was packed. Everyone was loving it.

Everyone was having a good time. I have heard. Everybody loves this music. I've heard tell. That everybody loves it. Oh, and I guess I should say that they i didn't explain this part that they 300 years later were able to excavate it so in like the 60s and 70s it was lifted from the bottom of the bay and so the ship is on display they like restored it to near to its former glory and it's a really stunning ship and it's just very cool that they were able

to to do that it's really mind-blowing that's very cool yeah so vasa museum i recommend check it out oh my god that's so in your brand sammy i mean i feel like being in stockholm going to a vessel you guys there's so many vessels in stock. It's crazy. They're everywhere. They're everywhere. They're everywhere. There's a literal, um, leaf blower right outside my window. I'm so sorry. Also, my nose is running nonstop. I am just not in tip top podcast shape right now, you guys. I apologize. We'll take you in any shape. No, Mike. No, Mike. I got my fucking phone. I'm like, wait. Oh, no. Wait. Yes. I need to sneeze. Wait. No. Wait. It's coming. Okay. What I want to talk about, I've already told you guys, but I feel like I just need to reiterate it here for the public

because this isn't public knowledge and I feel like it needs to be public knowledge and I feel like word needs to spread and it can't be a secret anymore. If you give birth at the Greenwich Hospital, if you do, all the mobsters take dinner and a bottle of champagne afterwards.

Unbelievable. So Tim went to And a bottle of champagne after first. It's unbelievable. When I, so Tim went to some kind of gathering and came back. I didn't go. And he was like, someone told me something crazy. They told me that they give you lobster and steak. Oh my God. My nose is like literally running. Sorry. After you give birth at the Greenwich hospital.

And I was like, that must've been a joke. And he was like, that's what I said. I said, it must be a joke, but it didn't seem like they were joking, but that must be a joke. Right. And I was like, absolutely. That's no way that's real. I go on to do some, you know, on the ground research. Of course.

Yeah, of course. Every mom I'm meeting, I'm asking. So how was your lobster and steak? Oh, it's real, baby. It's real. It is real. I'm asking. So how was your lobster and steak date? Oh, it's real, baby. It's real. It is real. I'm sorry. So lobster and steak. You can choose one.

Oh, sure. Both would be insane. Or steak. It's not surf and turf. Obviously, of course, your husband gets lobster, you get steak, you can share. You can make your own surf and turf. So many things are insane about this.

Lobster in a hospital? Lobster hospital. Hospital lobster. Lobster hospital. No one loves that. That's just one straight-to-a-visual of a hospital where everyone's lobsters. Even the doctors. What if that was

the lobster-to-hospital pipeline? It says lobsters come in for injuries and then they don't if that was the lobster to hospital pipeline? Is it lobsters come in for injuries and then they don't know that they're going to eat dinner? You're on the menu. Psych. But also, it's well-known knowledge in Eastern societies, not in Western societies, but in China and like Asia, they're very good about taking care of women after giving birth. And a huge part of that is eating only like warm nourishing meals, like stews and soups and oatmeal and like things that are also returning very specific nutrients to your body that you've lost and like the last thing that's gonna help you feel better is eating

lobster or steak like that's not what's gonna help you it's so unbelievably funny that they're like well but we but we're rich, so lobster. But anyway, I'm going to be giving birth at the Greenwich Hospital. I'll let you guys know how the hospital lobster is. I'll let you know how it is. I can't wait. It's so...

It is like... It would be a perfect joke for someone to say like, oh, Greenwich Hospital, they probably give you lobster and champagne after you give birth. And it's like, yes, they do. Anyway, I'm going to keep blowing my goddamn nose over here. I can't wait to hear about this movie. Well, let's get into it without further ado.

This week, we are going to be talking about Deep Red Came out in 1975 And for all of October We're going to be moving through the decades We're going to do We're doing a 70s movie this week We'll do an 80s movie next week And you do the math You can figure out the rest

We just thought it would be a little fun You know, why the hell not And We've done a lot of the staples seventies horror movies already, you know, we've done alien and Texas chainsaw. And so I figured, um, why not dip back into some Dario Argento? We've had, we've covered a couple of his movies. We did Tenebrae and Suspiria. Suspiria might just be a bonus episode. I can't remember if it's on the main feed, but if it's, if you want to listen to that episode, you go to patreon.com slash TSDW podcast. And so Deep Red was directed by Dario Argento, written by Dario Argento and Bernardino Zapponi starring David Hemmings, Daria Nicolodi, Gabriela Lavia.

I don't know how to say that. Mach Merrill and Carla Calamai. And it is streaming on Shudder.com. I highly recommend checking this one out. This is another Giallo film. We talked a bit about it with Tenebrae. And I think these movies are very fun. They're just a little refresher on Giallo. It's a type of film that was popular in the late 60s through the 70s and a little bit into the early 80s in Italy and the things that characterize these films where they're kind of like slashery movies there's there's a killer on the loose kind of uh murder mystery where a non police detective person gets wrapped up in it and is trying to solve it.

So a layman, shall we say, there's usually some leather gloves that the killer wears and lots of blood, but it's that very neon red blood, not deep red blood. but it's that very neon red blood, not deep red blood. Is it also, are the colors also just generally kind of very vibrant and bold, or is it just the blood that is? I mean, a little bit. I feel like that might just be Dario Argento, because Suspiria has that as well a lot, and Susiria is not a giallo film but yeah i mean

i think possibly there's usually very violent deaths and um a lot of people consider deep red to be like the giallo film this is like oh that's exciting. This is the one. Great. Yeah, I'd been excited to watch this movie for a while. It's been on my list forever. It has a 93% on Rotten Tomatoes, 89% on Metacritic. I feel like that might be like the highest we've ever seen on Metacritic. Metacritic very rarely goes above the 70s. And a 7.5 on IMDb so also pretty high for imdb pretty high for imdb imdb is just what's going on over there

was it so i know nothing about deep red was it um scary like was it really scary or was it more just i think there's some scary scenes but i think you could probably handle it it's okay uh more fun i if they feel more like murder mysteries to me like agatha christie the name yes the name giallo actually comes from um the those types of books were printed with yellow covers jello means yellow and so jello that's cool so it's was inspired by those types of books the budget and gross were very hard to find information on and sure sure i just think it's very funny when Wikipedia does this. The budget is listed as 3.7 billion Italian lira. And it says it made 629,903 US dollars in the US. It's just like a kind of strange way to put this information here.

All right. Sure. So yeah, Do with that what you will. I think this is very funny. After the success of Dario Argento's next film, Suspiria, I think came out

in 77. This was 75. But this movie was released in Japan under the title Suspiria 2. Even though it has nothing to do with it and came out before Suspiria? Like Suspiria T-O-O. Kind of like Suspiria. Also, it's like that.

Also, you know, maybe do this. Maybe do this one too. Really made me do this one too really made me laugh and this is the first film that starred director dario argento's longtime partner daria nicolodi she would appear in his next five films they i can't i don't know if they were married or not but they did have a daughter together, Asia Argento, and Daria Nicolodi recently passed away. Rest in peace. She's incredible. She's also in Tenebrae and she rules.

And another reminder that the score for this movie is by Goblins. Goblins. Hell yeah. Cool. Ooh, is it time to watch the trailer uh yes let's take a peek at this trailer it's kind of a long trailer and it shows a lot but i just think it'll be fun for you guys to have some sort of visual while we go through it and to hear some of this score by Goblin by the Goblins because the music in this movie is so crazy like if you showed me any scene of this movie on mute and said what do you think the score in this scene would be there's no way I would ever come anywhere close to what it is and it's it's amazing but yeah I'm just very excited for you to hear the score. Most of all, it's so rare that I go, I want to see the trailer. Let me see the trailer.

So this is nice. This is nice. This feels good. Feels good. Let's take a look. You have killed. And you will kill again. You're getting closer and closer to the most unnatural kind of death.

Beyond shock. What was that? Beyond horror into total terror. Murder runs wild. beyond horror into total terror. Murder runs wild. Blood runs cold. Deep red. Everywhere you turn,

death is running with you. Deep red. It'll put you into deep shock. This is fun. I'm excited about this. Wow. That was scarier. Yeah, scarier than Chucky, for sure. The music's great.

I'm very excited. That first shot of the water pouring out of that woman's mouth. Oh, my God. Joel does a bit. But sometimes he thinks it's so funny to take a sip of water and then just let it all pour out. It's so funny. And every now and again, he'll just, I'll turn over and he'll take a sip and all the water will come out and it gets me every fucking time. And that's all I can think about was like, Oh, she's doing that funny bit. That's pretty early on. And that's what sold me immediately. I was just like, I'm into this.

I love this. I love this. Wherever it's going. I do not associate that with any kind of a bit. And so I found it extremely distressing. I do not like it. That's fun. Okay.

You got to see Joel do it sometime because it's very funny. I'm sure Joel would turn me around on it. He would turn you right around. I was like, this freaks me out. I don't like seeing this. But it is weird. I mean, it's not. Yeah.

It shouldn't be. It shouldn't be that way. It's just not right. It shouldn't be that way. Water should go. It should take a direction. You want it to keep going. Stay inside.

Yeah. Yeah. But okay. Now with your, with your visuals and your audio idea of what the song is going to be, because it plays like fucking funky, groovy music throughout all the kills. I'm going to be, yeah, I'm like. It's really fun. In the past few years, I have hit a point where I only want to be wearing clothes that are comfortable.

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Cut out, I don't know what those twenty minutes are So we're talking about the hour and forty Minute version here today, folks Folks, that's what we're doing That's what we're doing You know what I thought too in that trailer, I was like We're talking about the hour and 40 minute version here today. Okay. Folks. Folks. That's what we're doing. That's what we're doing. You know what I thought too in that trailer? I was like, I bet this movie would look really great on our LG OLED TV.

It would. Those blacks, those crisp blacks. Wow. Almost feels like we're being sponsored by LG OLED TVs. LG OLED TVs. Okay. So we start with some music playing. It is a children's song, kind of a little spookish children's song. It goes, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.

Gorgeous. I loved it. I loved it. While this is playing, we're seeing a living room with a Christmas tree and someone being stabbed. And we can't quite make out who or what. I think it's in shadows and you hear a scream and then a bloody knife drops to the floor and you see a child's feet walking up to the bloody knife. Cut to black. There's so many times in my notes where I just write sick fucking score. The music that comes in here fucking rocks, whatever it is.

whatever it is and then we come up on a uh a theater where people are watching three people on stage speak this is the european congress on parapsychology they are talking about how bugs use telepathy to communicate with each other, certain certain types of moths or whatever. And one of the guests on this panel, Helga Ullman, has a gift for telepathy. And we're going to hear her speak. And Helga has. Do you think that'd be cool or totally suck? If you had it. I think it would suck.

It would suck. I've never wanted it. It would suck. I've never wanted it. I've never wanted it. Yeah. No, I think it'd be too much. I don't want it. It's too much information.

All right. Yeah. Problem solved. I just imagine my feelings getting hurt all the time. Thinking, hearing what people... Oh, Sammy. No. That's not what would happen. Everyone's thinking about how dumb I am. I just imagine my feelings getting hurt all the time Thinking, hearing what people Sammy, no That's not what would happen Everyone's thinking about how dumb I am

My main character syndrome is just like They're all thinking about me And it's bad My main character syndrome is like What are they thinking about me? What are you really thinking about me? You could use it to get super rich Obviously

There'd be a way to you know monetize that for sure monetize it and that would be if you could turn it off and on that would be that's the key that would be great but i don't know if you can no typically i don't think you can anyways this lady can't but she does set out some of the parameters, which are that she can't, uh, you know, tell the future or anything. She can hear thoughts as they're being thought and she can see images as they're happening. She can't see in the future. Um, but sometimes if thoughts are like very strong, they can linger in a place for a little, little bit, but also she has these very piercing blue eyes and a sharp blonde Bob. Oh, I loved her Bob. Yeah. She's stunning. And she does a little demonstration with one of the audience members like you, sir, I can tell that

you have, you know, your hands on keys in your pocket and he pulls it out. I was like, Oh my God, she's right. And then she looks like she feels something negative. She's kind of, you know, clutches her chest. Like, like she's gotten, getting a vision and they're reaching. Are you okay? Helga, Helga, what's going on? And she says, I can feel death in this room, a twisted mind. She's having a bit of a fit like she's overcome with these thoughts these horrible thoughts that are really disturbing to her and oh no man next to her uh hands her the cup of water and tries he's like here here have some water drink this it'll surely go down this is what it happens that's really It won't come right back out. This is when it happens.

That's really funny. The water comes right back out. And she has this thousand foot stare as she points to somebody in the audience that we don't see. And she says, you have killed and you will kill again. and you will kill again. Also, I think similar to Suspiria and maybe Tenebrae, I can't remember, the actors are speaking English. I was about to ask.

Also dubbed in English. I think he might do the thing again where he's not recording native audio. He's just dubbing it later. And so it's matching up mostly, and it's a very weird effect because it's i don't it's kind of like the voices don't match the faces but their lips are moving roughly the same time anyways just another little uh adds to the adds to the vibe of the movie and helga also mumbles there's a there's a child singing in the house a child in the house and i'm scared i'm scared and we see a pov of someone in the audience getting up and

like shuffling out which i think is very funny like you're just being like excuse me excuse me, excuse me. I'm talking about bugs. This won't draw attention to myself to be the only person to get up and walk out. And they walk into a bathroom and vomit. And we're hearing the sounds of the retching and they go to wash their hands. We see a man walking by saying, you know, can I can I help you? Are you OK? Do you need anything? And the mirror in this bathroom is very dirty.

And so we can't make out who it is, but they say, no, the person walks away. And then this person puts on those leather gloves. those leather gloves and now we see the conference has ended and helga is still a little stressed and trying to make sense of what she saw and we see uh the killer watching her from the wings of the theater. And then there's this kind of cool sequence where it's these very close-up shots of creepy children's toys. There's like

a voodoo doll made out of this brightly colored yarn and some child drawings of violent scenes. There's, you know, it's just music you better believe is rocking as we're seeing okay and we see the killer putting on thick eyeliner then we see that helga has gone back to her house back to her home and is on the phone with a friend when she hears the same child song that we heard

in the beginning. And she hangs up the phone and she looks scared and the doorbell rings and she's walking slowly towards the door and she's reaching for the handle and she pulls her hand back before she even touches the handle like she knows something bad is about to happen she's maybe hearing some some bad thoughts at this moment of the other person on the other side of the door and they break down the door they kick it open and have a meat cleaver and chop her neon blood spurting it is very violent that's the at the end of helga damn yeah that didn't look that didn't look fun. No. And now we cut to our protagonist, Marcus. He is a jazz pianist. He's British and an expat. Wow. And I was thinking

about how piano players are kind of common in horror movies too, as a protagonist, i feel like we had it in the changeling and i think audition audition yeah i didn't think of that one was she your protagonist true she left she left a mark she left a mark or was he the he might have been the piano player i can't remember and orphan verphan, Vera Farmiga. Orphan. Plays piano, I think in Insidious. So does Orphan. Orphan plays piano.

Right, right. So anyways, just another little common career there. You're either a writer or a pianist. So Marcus is walking through the empty streets at night. I think they're in Rome and he runs into his friend, Carlo, who we see as a drunk. That's kind of leaning against the wall, looks pretty wasted, mumbling. And he's trying to help him up, trying to get him home. He's like, all right, Carlo. And as they're getting up, they hear a loud woman scream and turn and see Helga's final moments as she's calling for help, like through the window of her building. And we see the killer behind her with the meat cleaver.

the window of her building and we see the killer behind her with the meat cleaver one more time it smashes the window her body falls forward and it i think slits her throat on the glass of the window so she's kind of half in half out of the window marcus runs up to the to the building this is his building this is his neighbor we find out oh and runs in and she has all these very scary paintings on the walls there's um lots of paintings of all these faces that look kind of ghoulish he's walking through all this noticing this and then finds her killer is gone he absolutely gets his evidence all over this crime scene he's just like destroying it he like lifts her up he's moving her all around he's not a detective why does he move her i don't know okay to see if she's alive i guess but he just is tossing her around it just he'll do this in in many crime scenes to come.

Tossing her around. He's like, just want to make sure nothing's underneath of her. Get her in a more comfortable position. Pretty thorough. Yeah. And the police eventually arrive and they're interviewing him. And the police are portrayed as, you know,

kind of idiots. And so Marcus feels like he's knows better than them, which yeah, maybe, maybe he does. And he tells them, he feels like a painting is missing. He's getting this sense that one of the paintings he saw is gone.

And he tells them he saw a man walking away in a brown coat so we just have a couple pieces of information they kind of write it down like okay thanks sure and while they're in there in comes gianna this is daria nicol. She is a reporter and she comes in with this bright, bubbly attitude to the crime scene. She's like, hey, boys, type of vibe. Everybody else here is men. And clearly they don't take her super seriously and are a little bit condescending to her. And she has her camera with her. She takes a photo of Marcus, says, oh, are you the eyewitness?

And she's trying to get the story. They finish up at the crime scene. Marcus leaves to go home and he goes to go check on Carlo again. Carlo's back outside, still like drunk. And he tells him, I could have sworn there was a painting that's missing. They don't seem to think that's anything. And Carlo is like, maybe it's something really important. And Marcus is like, what?

What? What do you mean? And it's clear that this man is very drunk and, you know, maybe didn't mean anything by it. But it sticks in Marcus's mind. Maybe it is important. We see the funeral, Helga's funeral happening the next day. Well, I don't know. Probably a couple of days later.

And it's a Jewish funeral, which I just thought was interesting. Don't see a lot of Jewish funerals in film. Gianna and Marcus are there and Gianna's pointing out Helga's acquaintances. She like knows the, um, who everybody is. And it's the two, she points out the two men that she did the conference with and says basically those are the men who she was with last and they might know something. Like that she identified a murderer at the conference. Exactly. And so they decide to team up, Marcus and Gianna. They're going to kind of try to figure it out together.

And there's a very funny scene where after the funeral, Marcus gets in Gianna's car and her passenger seat is really low. So he looks like tiny and very uncomfortable in the front seat of the car as she's driving. And she's like, oh yeah, sorry, it's broken. And it's this moment that's kind of humiliating and maybe a little emasculating. And they do a lot of commentary on, on that sort of like gender dynamics and gender politics and stuff. So I it's, it's an intentional little moment to, I feel like make him a little look a little silly.

So they go and they talk to the two guys, the two guys that were at the conference. And they say, yes, that she had seen a vision of a murderer and that she pointed at someone, but that they couldn't see who it was because the lights are bright in their eyes and you can't really see the audience. But they did notice someone get up and walk out at that moment, but they couldn't see who was. So not much of a lead. Gianna and Marcus go back to one of their places and they're kind of going over the case and getting to know each other a little better. And he asks her, you know, what got her into becoming a reporter? And she says, you know, I think women need to be independent. It's important to me to be independent.

And he immediately goes, oh, don't start with me with all that woman crap. Like women are different. Men and women are different. And women are just, he's like, they are, they are weaker. And she was like weaker. And he's like, well, gentler. weaker and she was like weaker and he's like well gentler and she's like let's arm wrestle to an arm wrestling contest immediately beats him like he like touches her hand she beats him and he's like no no i wasn't ready i wasn't that's not fair you cheated two out of

three and so they do it again and he they're like you got to keep your elbow here follow the rules don't just don't start until i say start you don't trick me and so they do it again and it's you know they're trying to arm wrestle and both of them it's like they're doing pretty she's a matched opponent. It would seem. And eventually she wins again, fairly. And he again, points her elbow. You lifted your elbow up. That was cheating. That was not, you didn't do it. And he's again, clearly humiliated by this incident and decides he doesn't want to work with her anymore. He's going to do this alone. He never, he's like, I never agreed to do this with you and she's annoyed what a loser yeah he sucks he sucks yeah so now he's working alone and his next stop is he's gonna go talk to carlo again because he's probably sobered up by now and

we can see if he remembers anything. And so he goes to Carlo's house and Carlo's mom answers the door. She is this very eccentric woman who is like, Oh, come in, come in, come in. I've heard all about you. You're the engineer, right? Carlo's engineer friend. And he says, no, I'm a pianist. And she's like, oh, my God, an engineer and a pianist. That's incredible. And it's clear that she's a little lonely and she's excited to have someone to talk to. She's like, I used to be an actress. So we're both into the arts. And she has all these photos of herself as an actress on the walls. And he's, you know, like, yeah, yeah.

Where's Carlo? Is Carlo here? And she says, oh, no, i forgot carlo's not here he's at his friend's house at this at address and gives him an address so he leaves goes to this address and a man dressed as a woman answers the door this character is actually played by a woman but it's interesting because i forgot about this but in i think it was tenebrae there was a trans actress in that as well and i just think it's interesting that dario regento in the 70s was there was just like queer representation in his films and you know we'll talk about it a little more later but i feel like it's just no he was asked about it and he was like yeah trans people

exist in the world so why wouldn't they be in my movies and imagine that's great yeah just i wonder if you knew a trans person personally growing up or something. Yeah, maybe. Oh, yeah. It does seem like a pretty rare thing. Very progressively casual perspective to have by a man in the 70s. Especially in Italy. Yeah. So Marcus thinks he's at the wrong place, but then this this this character's name is Richie.

Richie like waves him in and says he's not in a good way. Carlo is he's always drinking. And when he's not drinking, he's, you know, really sick. And so Marcus comes in, sees Carlo in the bed and Carlo's now humiliated that he's found out that he's gay as well. He's like, oh, God, now, you know, I'm like drunk and gay. And Carlo is is seeming, yeah, not in a good way. And Marcus gets him up and it's like this very tender moment between Carlo and Ricci where they, I don't know, they just like say goodbye. It's very sweet. So now Marcus and Carlo are walking

through the streets again. And he's asking Carlo, do you remember anything? Did you see someone with a brown raincoat walk by when you were down in the street that night. Carlo says, yeah, vaguely, but you know, I was really drunk. I don't really remember. And he's like, why are you getting wrapped up in this anyways? Like if I were you, I would probably stay away. He's like, you've got your picture in the paper because Gianna took the photo of him. So now there's a photo of him in the paper and carlo basically says you know be careful this is probably not a good idea yeah uh then marcus goes home and he's playing piano and this is a pretty scary scene. He hears la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la. And we see the door to his apartment slowly opening.

We see some leather gloved hands reaching in. this and cleverly continues playing piano with one hand while he grabs a like heavy statue bookend type thing with the other with the other hand so he has a weapon and it's cutting back and forth between the killer getting closer and him he's got a little bead of sweat dripping down his forehead. It's very tense. And then there's a jump scare. The phone rings right at that moment. And he jumps up and is able to lock the door to the room that he's practicing in. And he answers the phone in a way that I thought was really, uh, realistic where he's like, whoever this is, I'm in trouble. I need help.

And there's a killer in here. That's really smart. Yeah. And it's Gianna on the other end of the line. And she's asking, what? What are you talking about? And he says, the killer is in here. The killer is here.

And we hear on the other side of the door, you're safe for now, but I'll kill you sooner or later. It's pretty creepy. It reminded me of the Black Christmas whispering. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's creepy. So now he, the killer leaves. He's dodged,

dodged it this time. And he finds, he tracks down the children's song that he heard, which I think would be very hard to do, but he somehow does it. He finds it. And he then goes back to the two, uh,

panelists that she was with. I can't remember their names. Jordani is one of them and the other one doesn't matter. And he goes back to them and he he plays the song for them and says, I heard this song. Do you think this has anything to do with it? And they say, yeah, well well she did mention that there was a child singing and this part's a little weird the other guy says she also mentioned a house like the child in the house singing child in the house and the guy says and actually now that you

mention it i was reading a book the other day a modern ghost story about a haunted house with a child singing maybe you can track that down which just seems like such a coincidence such a coincidence and also it just really is bizarre and i don't know how one thing led to another here but while you're watching it it kind kind of makes sense. But then in taking notes, I was like, wait, what? That's so convenient. Great. Yeah. And so he goes to a library and finds this book that has this passage about a house that people hear child singing from.

And it's a real house and real people have heard it and and so it's not like a ghost story it has a picture of the house and so he rips the picture out of the book and he excuse you no rude there's a library book check out the book yeah that would have been not OK. But he doesn't do that. He rips it out. And now this is his next lead. He wants to find this house. And first he decides he's going to talk to the author of this book. And so he calls Gianna, who I guess he decides he wants help from now and then because she has you know access to more information as a

journalist and she's being a good sport about it I guess and he says I need I need the address for Amanda Rigetti is the author of this book and we see we go to Amanda's house and she lives in a very isolated part of the Italian countryside. It's very beautiful, but maybe not a great location if there's a murderer on the loose. And we see her saying goodbye to her housekeeper for the day she's now home alone and she walks back in and there is a doll hanging from a noose in the middle of her living room oh boy not good what is it with these dolls i don't like all this child i do not like all this child imagery no thanks yeah and she tries to go to to call the housekeeper housekeeper has already gotten on the bus she's down the road nobody's around uh so she goes back into her

house which is pretty dark darkly lit and there it shows the shot of her closet, which is very dark. And there's a like really dark corner of it. And just one eye opens and you see the whites of just one eye, which is very fun. It's like a very unsettling image. But now again, now that I'm theater, like they just opened one eye. That's very fun. Sure. Why not? So, uh, she's, you know, moving through the apartment. She's on edge. She, we see that she has some birds and the birds are freaking out squawking she finds a knitting needle she had been doing some knitting earlier so she huddles in the corner with the knitting needle ready to use as a weapon and one of the birds gets out of its cage and flies right at her and impales itself on this knitting needle. It just basically flies right at her.

Right onto the needle. And she screams and gets up and runs. And then eventually the killer comes out from the shadows and grabs her. And it's kind of a, this is a pretty scary sequence. And she tries to crawl away and they eventually end up in the bathroom. And the killer turns on scalding hot water. Oh, yeah. I saw that in the trailer.

Ooh, to be like drowned in scalding hot water. Oh i saw that in the trailer oh to be like drowned in scalding hot water oh that's so gross but i did like those 70s italian fixtures in the bathroom i was a fan of the bathroom it was beautiful like mirror walls which is fun and uh she's, yes, being drowned in this boiling hot water. The killer's pulling her back up every once in a while. And we're seeing her face get progressively more red and blistered. Oh, I hated that in the trailer. Yeah, I did not like that. Until she's tossed down on the floor.

She's still alive, but dying. Until she's tossed down on the floor. She's still alive, but dying. And the room has filled with steam. And so she reaches to the mirror where she's laying and starts writing something on the wall. And the killer notices this and opens the windows, turns off the tap. And so all the steam goes out. So we can't see what she has written. So a little later, Marcus arrives by himself at nighttime now, which is, I think, kind of a crazy thing to do.

And once again, strolls in. which is i think kind of a crazy thing to do and once again strolls in he immediately immediately crashes into i think the bird cage knocks a bunch of stuff over just such a he's a pianist such a mess he's a pianist classic pianist um again goes to the bathroom and finds the body touches everything just contaminating the hell out of this crime scene sees that she's

pointing in a weird way to the mirror notes that as that's interesting and then leaves. Okay. Sure. Yeah.

He's like, I've done enough. Yeah. And then we see a little montage of him speaking to landscapers and architects trying to ID this house. Can you recognize the, uh, trees in this?

Where would those trees be? Is he's doing pretty good, pretty good research here or investigating. And he does narrow down the area where these plants would be. Someone I think remembers selling this certain kind of tree to only one person. He's gotten a pretty good idea of where this house might be. And then he talks to Jordani again and is telling him about the author dying and mentions how she was pointing to something and he found it strange. And Jordani, there's a moment in this conversation where I think Marcus says, do you think they discovered the body by now?

Like, motherfucker, you didn't even call the police, which. What the hell? He really doesn't trust the police. I mean, I guess. But also, you got your DNA fucking everywhere. And you and you were like, well, yeah, yeah. I just was a little shocked to hear that. Anyway, so now he goes off on his own again to find the house.

He does find it. It's gated. The walls are really high. He won't be able to get into it on his own, but it has a sign of who it's, it says it's for lease by this person. And so the owner of the building, I guess, lives next door. So he goes there to talk to him to say he was, wants to go inside this building. Um, meanwhile, we see Jordani is going to the author's house now after the police have already been there and left and the housekeeper is there now cleaning up the crime scene,

which I forgot that this is true, right? When there's a crime that happens, you have to fucking clean it up. Yeah. That's why there are those services where you hire people that specifically you're responsible for cleaning it. That's so fucking, that is fucked up so fucked up uh so she lets giordani in and is talking to him about you know it being a traumatizing thing and she's scrubbing the bloody fingerprints away off the sink and everything, which presumably are Marcus's fingerprints because the killer wears gloves. And as she has the hot water on to scrub and clean things, it starts fogging up again.

Notices, turns on the bath as well to steam it up quicker and finds the writing on the wall that just says it was. And that's all. It feels like you should have written the name first. We didn't need that. It was too much. A name alone would have been suspicious. It was. So another dead end there.

Back to Marcus with the owner of the house and his creepy little daughter who is kind of watching them and smiling all weird. And, uh, he agrees to give him the keys to the place. Like, okay, you can go, uh, look. And he's like, my daughter will take you and don't, don't stay too long. People say it's haunted. People hear things from it. Like, just be careful basically. And as they're walking away he calls his daughter back i think her name's olga like olga get back here and she comes over and he slaps her and she's like what the fuck and he's like don't i told you to never do that again and she's looking kind of evil and walks away And Marcus is like, was that all What's going on? She's like, oh, don't worry about him, he's crazy

And we see at the dad's Feet is a lizard With a needle through its head That's writhing around, dying And this is another situation where it's like They did this for real, this lizard There's no fucking way And they did, and Dario Argento did say He regrets doing it, like they did this for real this lizard there's no fucking way and they did and

Dario Argento did say he regrets doing it but you did it but you still did it and I just hate it I feel like I watched a movie called come and see recently which we have had requested for the podcast but I don't think we'll do it's not a horror movie it's a very devastating uh war film oh no thank you and there is a scene in which they kill a cow and i in that also was like oh they did it for you really can tell easily when they're actually killing an animal and it's done for the sake of realism it takes me right out of it i'm immediately thinking about the filmmaking now and that you did this for real so i mean obviously this was like 70s and 80s and they don't do this anymore but just just bums me out i don't like it that's very difficult to watch yeah uh so now he's exploring i wrote again score fucking rocks uh he is finds this part of the wall in a room that looks a little different from the rest of the wall and it's a drawing that's covered with another layer

of paint or or um like plaster and so he starts peeling away at the wall revealing a drawing behind it that we see is a drawing of a child killing a person with a big bloody knife in their hand oh jeez i think little girl olga calls out to him like it's getting dark. You should get out of here. And so he leaves. And after he's left, we stay on the drawing on the wall. And another piece of the wall falls off, revealing a third person in this crime scene. So now we go back to a third person in the crime scene Like someone else who's dead Well in the drawing

Oh in the drawing Child killing with a bloody knife But then another person there And we go back to Jordani now Who is presumably At his home And We had seen a POV shot after he left the author's house of the housekeeper after she says

goodbye to him turning and looking as if she sees somebody watching her and then the camera like pans away so implying that someone else was there and so now giordani has been followed to his home and he's sitting in his study and from he's hearing to the room comes it this you saw it in the trailer a robot child animatronic doll looking thing that looks like a little child butler to me little little two little teeth two little teeth and really arched eyebrows. Not a friendly doll. The person who made this wasn't trying to make him look friendly whatsoever. No.

And he picks up a knife or letter opener or something that's on his desk and smashes the doll's head with it. Doesn't know what's happening looks very scared and then from a curtain behind him out pops the killer grabs him by the back of the head and starts slamming his open mouth onto all the corners of the room corner of his corner of his desk corner of the fireplace no no no that is messed up it's nasty no no no i want to do that kill in john wick three where he puts the book in his mouth oh yeah or american history x yeah No. I don't want to think about that. No, it's bad. And then, but this to be just to paint a picture doesn't look as horrifying as any of that. It's not the greatest effect, but it's more mental. I feel like you just are imagining what that would feel like.

And so it still is effective. It's not good and then giordani is you know dying and collapses on his desk and the killer picks up his letter opener and stabs him through the neck with it giordani bye-bye giordani bye-bye go back to marcus who notices something new in the photo of the house that we don't know what he's seeing, but he's looking at it saying, how did I not notice that before? He looks reinvigorated. It's got a new lead. Leaves a note for Gianna.

I'm going back to this house. Gives her the address. Goes back there. I think it's nighttime now. it's nighttime now and he uh has to climb over the fence now and he's climbing up shimmying the outside of the building we see on the photo there is a window on the house that is not there anymore and so he says the the window has been sealed and so he's brought a pickaxe. He's brought a pickaxe with him. And he scales the outside of the building to where this window would be. And starts picking away, smashing away the wall,

revealing that there is something in there. Some blocked off room. And the music here is so crazy this is the scene that really it was shocking the music that was chosen for this scene i mean it's so fun all of the it's it's absolutely delightful but it's it's just really unexpected it's really unexpected choices anyways it's a little tense he he you know it's old building so he he loses his footing at one point it gives out underneath him and it's he falls and drops his flashlight and it's uh not going well but um i think he gets the flashlight back and he he breaks into the house and he know, triangulates where the other side of that window would have been and breaks down the wall there and finds a preserved room with a decayed corpse in it.

Whoa. and as he finds this, he is hit in the back of the head and knocked out, cut to black. Come back up. We see him coming back to consciousness, close up on his face. Some hands are on his chest. Camera raises up slowly to reveal Gianna with her hands on him.

And he turns and sees the house is on fire. It's being burned, burned down. He's out of it, confused and asks what's happening. Gianna says, you gave me the address here. You told me you're going here. I came here. I found you. Like, I don't know what happened.

But yeah, we were a little suspicious. And actually, I was suspicious of her from the moment he said men are or women are weaker than men. And she laughs and laughs and laughs. Oh, interesting. So she had my eye you gotta be i mean it's like in an agatha christie you gotta be suspicious of everybody exactly you know it's always who you least expect and so uh he doesn't look too suspicious of her but he's pretty out of it and so they go back to the owner of the house's house with the little girl, the guy and dad and the daughter. And he they're calling the police.

Gianna is saying there's fire next door. So we need, you know, assistance. And Marcus notices a drawing in the little girl's room that matches the drawing that was on the wall in the house. Yeah. And is really aggressive with her, like snatches it. It's like, what is this? Like a Nicolas Cage, Wicker Man situation, just like screaming at a little girl. Where did you find this? Where did you see this? And she's like, I came up with it. And he's like, that's impossible. where did you see this? And she's like, I came up with it. And he's like, that's impossible. Tell me the truth. And through screaming at her, it works. She finally, it always works. No, no, it doesn't. Uh, that she tells him that she saw it at school. Uh, sometimes as punishment, they make her clean the archives of the school, which is, again, there's some real weird things that are like, I guess.

Okay. A way to find the next clue. She tells him the name of the school. He goes there. Gianna goes with him. And they find a cabinet labeled like drawing archives, which I don't think any school has ever had that. But they're going through all these all these drawings now is trying to see if they can find the one and jiana hears something looks out into the dark halls of the empty school at night it's like i'm gonna go check that out i'm like

i don't know about this either don't do that or you're the killer and you're going to get changed. She goes off into the school as he finds the drawing. He's found the exact one. It is a child with a bloody knife and a person and another person also like a bleeding dead person and another person also there. Like a bleeding dead person And another person also there And then he hears a scream Runs and finds Gianna has been stabbed in the stomach And she's bleeding out

So it wasn't Gianna She's not the killer And she says She's talking to him He's trying to help her and she says you know who it is do you know who it is he says yes i know who it is i found the drawing i know who it is he's uh knows the killer is there with them he's calling out into the halls there's no use hiding i know who you are i know who you are. I know who you are. And camera pans and we see. Guesses.

The little girl. Henley? Jordani. No, Jordani's dead. The bird. Who is the person in the beginning? The other person? Carlo.

Carlo. Carlo. Carlo. Yeah. Who is the person in the beginning? The other person? Carlo. Carlo. Carlo. Yeah. And Carlo says, I told you to stay out of it. I didn't. I really like you.

I didn't want to have to do this. Yeah. He has a gun. Carlo has a gun pointed at Marcus. And the cops arrive at that moment and start shooting and carlo runs and as he runs out of the school there is a garbage truck driving by and he stumbles in like almost in front of the garbage truck and the garbage truck has what looks like a metal hook the the like a candy cane shaped metal hook off the side of it which is seems extremely dangerous yeah and it

catches carlo by the foot so he's now being dragged behind this garbage truck for a while and it looks as if he dies while being dragged um because he's screaming and screaming and like bleeding and you'd imagine that that would tear through yeah that would be really bad he's not quite dead and they turn a corner and he slams his head into the pavement. Jesus Christ. These deaths are so gross. All of these deaths are so disgusting. And that alerts the drivers that there's that. That does it. They didn't hear notice it before,

but then they stop the truck and see him and he's still alive, barely moaning. And then another car comes and drives over his head hey look if you're gonna unknowingly hook a man to his death on the side of your garbage truck really lucky for you that it turns out he was a murderer yeah yeah and so the cops basically see find out that this has happened. And they're like, all right, great. Yeah. Case closed. Perfect. And Marcus, we see now is at the hospital finding out Gianna is going to make it. The surgery was tough, but she's so strong. She's going to pull through.

Stronger than a man. Stronger than than a man and seems like it's all over and then marcus is going home walking back to his uh apartment which is the scene of the first crime and as he's there he remembers wait carlo was with me when Helga was killed. Oh, there's another person. It couldn't have been Carlo. And so he goes upstairs. He breaks the police tape. It goes into Helga's apartment again.

He's still gnawing at him. That picture, that painting that was missing. What the heck is going on? Let me see if I can find anything. And he's, he goes in the house and he's looking at all these, again, like really disturbing paintings on the wall of faces, these pale faces. And he finds a mirror and realizes he didn't see a painting that first day. He saw the killer's face in a mirror and very funny to confuse a mirror with a painting and, uh, you know, how memory works and you can just pull it up like a photograph. Of course. And we see, is it richie it's carlo's mom oh okay so that drawing was carlo

as a kid and his mom and a body oh i knew that mom was gonna come back i knew it like okay psycho you know and marcus turns and carlo's mom is there in her brown raincoat and her little fedora and her leather gloves with her meat cleaver. Get it. Of course it's the mom. She's like, you bastard. Carlo never killed anybody. He was just trying to protect me.

Aww. anybody. He was just trying to protect me. We get a flashback to the opening scene of the movie. Now seeing it, uh, and it's what really happened. We see it's Christmas time. Carlo's a little boy and, uh, his mom and dad are talking and his dad is saying to his mom that she needs to go back to the hospital. She's saying, I don't want to go back there. I'm not going back there. The dad is saying, the doctor says it's for the best. Like you need to, you need to

go back there. And he goes into the living room with his son who is playing la la la la la la la on the record player and the mom comes out with the meat cleaver and stabs him or no it's just a regular knife but stabs him and carlo is witnesses this and the little child actor does such a heartbreaking performance of his little lip quivering as he he picks up the knife afterwards the bloody knife and it's just like so sad that's so fucked up and sad no wonder he's a drunk and when he's not drunk he's so sad

yeah he has witnessed something too Poor guy. Too much. It's too much. It's too much. He got killed by garbage truck. Yeah, it's not a good way. Not a good life. Carlo did not have a good life. And the moment where he's saying goodbye to Richie, they look like they want to kiss.

But like Carlo is embarrassed to kiss him in front of marcus so they don't kiss it's really really devastating in hindsight uh so then we come cut back to the present and now carlo's mom is attacking marcus with the meat cleaver they he grabs her arm he's trying to fight her off they stumble out into the hallway where there's an elevator that has that metal grate that you have to open and close one of those old-timey elevators and her necklace gets caught in it as she stumbles and she's trying to rip her necklace out and he sees this and he presses the up button and so the necklace starts tightening and tightening around her neck she's screaming trying to pull it off and it decapitates her oh that is one hell of

a strong necklace i know this is a really really high quality that's what it is too yeah buy good jewelry it'll cut your head right off cut your head right off and we see the necklace being or i guess it's going down dripping in blood and marcus's face being reflected off her a pool of blood on the floor and the credits come up you have been watching deep red it's very fun and yeah how satisfying um i think uh another interesting thing is that at the time you know obviously trans representation is in a lot of other horror films and you know after this and before this that they're the ones you can't trust and they're the killer in the end and so i know i was worried when i guessed that maybe it would be richie and i'm so glad it wasn't and so i think he dario regento is using that against the audience to be like, you're going to expect that it's the queer person because they're morally wrong.

Uh-huh. Yeah. Well, the gay person and then the potentially trans person. And it's like, no, it's the mom. Moms are disgusting. Moms are always the ones you should have suspected the mom all along there's a mom here well it's her well if you get like one little scene of a creepy mom like that mom is coming back yeah duh it's the mom it's gonna be the mom i should have known yeah a beautiful progressive message. Women can be psychopath killers as well. Women can be strong. Women can be murderers. Women can do anything.

Women can do it all. And I love to see that on screen. Me too. It's inspiring. Wow. Yeah. What a fun start to spooky season. I'm exhilarated.

That was great. That was great that was great the thing about that movie is that it wasn't too distressing but also the kills were very surprising the way that they're killed is very unique very like final destination yes yes i also love the like dragged by a car then tossed around a corner then driven over it's like we're doing it all and that's kind of traditional in the giallo films they're they're uh less or more inventive kills and dario argento i guess had said that he wanted the kills to be something the viewer could imagine feeling like most people haven't been

you know shot or stabbed so he tries to avoid that and he's like but people have like been dragged by a car stubbed their toe on a corner of a desk and might know what it might feel like to hit your face on a corner of a desk or have your things be submerged in boiling water you've probably burnt yourself or like get a billy bad like skin your knee like being you know aye yay so well this was a great time i loved it great time highly recommend watching if you um are scared of scary movies there are you know a couple tense scenes as there's you know we know the killer is lurking around the corner and you're waiting for what's about to happen next um but overall it's it's it's really

fun and i mean i've said it a thousand times but you gotta hear that score by goblins it's incredible goblins fucking rocks at least just listen to that on spotify it's great hell yeah and yeah we'll be back next week with 80s something from the 80s don't know what yet stay tuned very exciting and we love you guys so much and hope you're having a really great spooky season so far and that it just gets better and better and spookier and spookier. Yeah. Love you guys. Love you. And I'm going to do

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