Too Scary; Didn't Watch - DOG SOLDIERS with Jon Gabrus

Episode Date: July 13, 2022

Six soldiers, a pack of werewolves, and zero silver bullets...we're recapping Neil Marshall's 2005 film Dog Soldiers! This week we are joined by the hilarious Jon Gabrus (High and Mighty, Action Boyz, 101 Places to Party Before You Die) to discuss fun accents, Land Rover product placement, and the delicate art of consuming the correct amount of edibles. TRAILER Recap begins @ 32:25 Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fm Podcast artwork by @EllaTalkinSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Podcast. This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi everyone, welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily, and I am too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy, and I love watching scary movies, and so I watch them, and I tell you about them so that you don't have to watch them. We're missing our Henley this week, which is scary in and of itself. It's true. But other than that, Emily, did anything scary happen to you this week?

Did anything scary happen to me this week? Well, first, I just want to really quickly say this is not scary. This is joyous. This is such a reason to celebrate, which is that we are currently recording on July 3rd, which is, I mean, first, I'll just say it's Silas Hamlin, Henley's child's first birthday. Huge happy birthday to him. Happy birthday, Silas. He's one. He's listening. I know you're listening, Silas Hamlin Henley's child's first birthday Huge happy birthday to him Happy birthday Silas

He's listening And understanding all of this And not to be outshone Sorry Silas I love you honestly obviously more But today is the 60th birthday Of America's National hero Tom Cruise And

I am so happy. I didn't realize it was his 60th. It's his 60th. It's a big day. This is a big day today. It's a huge day. He saved the movies this year. He saved the movies. He brought them back. He's our hero. His highest box office ever.

It's incredible. It is a perfect film. I have spent so much time on this podcast talking about Tom Cruise. So it's fine. I will let it go. But I just happy birthday, Tom. I love you. And the scary thing that happened to me this week.

So recently, Sammy, you've been talking about how mosquitoes are back, which sorry. Sorry to bring it up for you again. You know what else is back in the summer? Oh, no. Cockroaches. OK, cockroaches okay no you know god knock on wood i never i don't really have i've never really had a big cockroach problem which i i do get them sometimes i know you do and so does henley what is my landlord call him again water bugs water bugs that's right they're cockroaches they're cockroaches. They're cockroaches. No, but I get... Ew, flies. Flies. And let me tell you something.

I, a certain, and I know you'll understand this, Amy, because this happens to you with mosquitoes. Again, sorry to mention it. I get so, like, a part of me awakens when there is a fly in my home. Oh, it's primal. There's a fly in my home. Oh, it's primal. I like fixate in such a way that I'm like nothing else can get done until I get this fucking fly. Oh, God, I'm familiar.

I'm familiar with the feeling. They're like big. They're like getting bigger. I don't know. They're big. And and the buzzing noise. And you do have four cats in the house, though. Uh huh. Which is maybe a helpful

thing to kill the flies you know the cats can only get up so high and the true so they're trying they are actually trying theo has finally he's been like all over the place trying to get after a fly today which is great but it's just like i like i, I get so mad and I like have to kill, I have to kill them. And I will like smack the shit out. Like, it's like, I like revel in the like smashing of life. I don't like who I become when a mosquito is in my house. I want the mosquito to suffer as much as I'm suffering. It becomes not just about killing the mosquito, but about like, I need to like see you explode.

And so this is the first summer that Joel and I have lived together. And so he's never seen this firsthand. He knows about it. He knows about it. But this is the first time seeing it. And we had a fly in our bathroom the other day. And I get glad when it gets in a room like that

Because I can shut the door I went and I got a big roll of Construction paper and I shut myself In the bathroom with him And he was in the living room and I was just I just wouldn't stop until I got it And I did get it But

He's just really having to see it And it's not Pretty but we're just I's going to I just can't. I fucking hate flies. There's like one a day. I'm killing them. Where the fuck are they still coming from? Yeah, I have a little gap in my screen door.

And the screens are always open. The windows are open because it's hot. Yeah, I don't know what to do about it. I need to, like, do some DIY handiwork to yeah they have little like patches like screen patches at um because it's maddening it's absolutely maddening yeah and I really feel for you because the mosquitoes are smaller so it's like you even got like you gotta plug up the tiniest little holes never open your door never let anyone in or out it's just okay I'm getting like worked i can like feel my blood pressure rising

as i like talk about this um so instead sammy to anything scary happened to you this week something a little scary did happen to me this week um as you know i've been dabbling back in edibles we know that i'm not good at knowing what amount to eat. Right. And that sometimes the overthinking of that leads to disastrous consequences. Yeah. Which means the past two times that I've done it, I had 25 milligrams and 2.5 and those are two very different experiences. So this time I did five and then after a few hours, I did 10. Oh, you added five. You didn't add 10. I was after a few hours, I did ten.

Oh, you added five. You didn't add ten. I was like, okay, I'm feeling okay. Okay, great. You waited a few hours. That's what you're supposed to do. And that's what I never do because I'm like, well, I'm bored. I think I waited two and a half hours.

And I was like, this seems like a good amount of time. I'll have another one. And it was fine. It was not as bad as the 25 milligram day um but uh it was while I was watching this week's movie and it got to the point where I was like a little too stoned that I couldn't like follow fast cuts anymore like I was just like I'm getting a little lost here I'm gonna have to watch this tomorrow night so I I turned this off but as I went to close like getting ready for bed I went to close, like getting ready for bed, I went to close.

I have a back door that looks out onto the parking spaces. And behind my car, I saw what seemed like a silhouette of an eight foot tall man. Oh, no. And it scared me so bad. Do you remember in the night house how she sees men in the negative space? It was it was like that. It was like the fence and the wall made what looked like the shape of a shadow, a very tall man. And I knew logistically it gets way too tall to be a man. It's like it was so tall. So it's nothing or a monster.

It was either nothing or a monster. And my way of dealing with it was, OK, close the door and I'm going to bed. Like I was just like, well, and it reminded me of how in horror movies so many times people just ignore things and you as an audience are angry at them. Right. There's obviously a problem here, but that is absolutely what I would do in a horror movie is just ignore it and go to bed and hope for the best yeah it's like when i heard someone scream outside my apartment and i was like well i don't know what to do with that and i always think well if i scream someone will hear me and they'll do

something and like they absolutely won't i didn't so well so it is nothing terrible happens to us which is kind of the hope, you know, regardless. So true. Glad it wasn't a huge man. That is the scariest thing in the whole world. You know, maybe it was. And he left. We'll never know.

But he thought he thought, well, she went back inside. What am I supposed to do? Yeah, I've got bars on my window. So good luck, man. Good luck to you. Good luck, man. Good luck to you. But then the next night, I was coherent enough to watch this week's movie.

Oh, right. Which is Dog Soldiers. Came out in 2002. Written and directed by Neil Marshall, who is the writer-director of The Descent. Oh! Wow. My favorite horror movie of all time so uh i've been very excited to talk about this movie it is starring kevin mckidd sean pertwee emma cleasby and liam cunningham and this was like not streaming for a long time in the u.s i know i remember the

big thing was like you couldn't find it you were were really trying to find this for so long. I couldn't find it fucking anywhere. I bought it on Blu-ray before you had a Blu-ray player before I had a Blu-ray player. But it's now it's now finally available to everyone to rent for two ninety nine on Amazon. Thank God. Thank God. And thank God we have a guest joining us this week to talk about this movie. He's an actor and comedian, host of fellow HeadGum podcast, High and Mighty. Welcome to the pod, John Gabrus. Hi. Hi.

Thank you so much for having me. Oh my gosh, thank you for being here. I couldn't have been a better person to be a guest on this episode, as I consider myself quite the edibles expert and also or maybe not expert but well versed in the territory of edibles uh i also uh the descent is one of uh mine and my wife's favorite horror movies my wife's favorite and one of my favorites and rules and i've been meaning to see dog soldiers for years but like you said hard to find on streaming so when you guys asked i checked your list of uh audience recos and stuff i haven't uh seen and i was just like fuck let me see if dog

soldiers is streaming and it is and it's fucking and it's fucking rules it's arguably not scary at all emily if that makes you feel like it. I was going to say, Emily could definitely handle it. It's like got a lot of action in it. I feel like any action horror. I can do action horror. Yeah. If it's not blood that scares you, if it's like the forebodings, like it's like the dread

and the unsettling. This movie is paced in an interesting way in that you kind of know what the problem is at like minute 20, which not a lot of horror movies do. But I do think it's mostly like assault on Precinct 13 or any like we got to defend this tower kind of movie. But it's man, it's rad. Neil Marshall can do a lot with not a lot. That's like what he's kind of famous for. Are those his only two?

Like, no, he went into a lot of TV. He directed some Game of Thrones. He directed Blackwater, the most famous episode of Game of Thrones, the one where all the boats catch fire. Yes, and the other one he directed was also good, too. I can't remember. Wow. Watchers on the Wall was the other one.

Oh, my God. What a fucking yeah dud yeah he's got like he's got he's got real like real solid skill set in making not a lot of money go a long way because like not once does dog soldiers look expensive but not once does it feel like cheap to the degree like right it feels like in a sam raimi kind of way cheap but it's never goofy it's so fucking cool i mean it's funny so much is going on in this movie and it's such like a bros hanging out movie too like uh without you know it's not like misogynistic or toxic masculinity but it's a lot of like dudes being dudes and busting balls and shit. And when there isn't toxicity like folded into that,

I love that shit. Like I have no problem with a movie that is doing that. I absolutely love it. In fact, I think when it can separate toxicity, it's like, great, give me more of this.

See, you don't need to be the fucking assholes in order to be men. A whole nother layer of it is that they're british too so you get like the british slang and the british lad lad culture mate culture you know and it's like that's at least different than like uh the homophobic culture of early 2000s american masculinity like so it's yeah it's pretty rad to see to see. It also gives it that even more mysterious feel, even though they are white people speaking with British accents, it still feels distant and weird.

And like you're hearing a legend or something like that. There's just even that minor tweak that they are in England or Scotland in the case of the movie. Ooh. It works. I'm so excited to get into it. First, just did anything scary happen to you this week? You mean besides the slow descent to fascism in our country?

The fact that we are actively living in hell. Anything else? Besides like the widely understood hellscape that we are currently transitioning to. Moments of humanity. Yeah. Yeah. Besides that, I saw a bug. No, I'm just kidding.

I stayed. I was traveling on the East Coast this like a week or two ago and had a wedding in Cape Cod where no seeums as they call them which are like the gnats that you can't see that chew up your ankles bite you those motherfuckers are brutal so the whole time you're talking about that that's what I was thinking of they're so bad they're little like sand beach bitey bugs you literally can can't see. And they just destroy you. And you just all of a sudden, you're just like, oh, my legs itch. And then you wake up the next morning and you have like a hundred little bumps around your ankle.

Oh, no. Oh, I hate that very much. Me too. And, you know, we didn't used to have mosquitoes in L.A. I mean, they've gotten out of control. It's crazy. I moved here 10 years ago. And 10 years ago, we had no mosquitoes in Los Angeles. I think they came gotten out of control It's crazy I moved here 10 years ago And 10 years ago we had no mosquitoes in Los Angeles

I remember They came on a shipment of bamboo Apparently Like a shipment of bamboo Brought a bunch of mosquitoes over here And then they just And it got a little damper here And it's a little grosser here these days

So I think they just breed like fucking animals You know and the legal weed and the uh sort of like that like the bugs aren't gonna leave for that you know we got perfect weather like the mosquitoes aren't going anywhere we gotta learn we gotta learn to live with them oh yeah oh so the scary thing that and then the end of that trip we stayed at my mom's house on Long Island. And I stayed in my childhood bedroom. And me and my wife were laying in bed. Now, I had been on a cocktail of mushrooms and German pilsners all day. But I still stand by. There was a weird noise.

Sounded like a footsteps or a tapping. And it's just me, my wife. My mom is upstairs in this giant fucking house and my my mom's dog dog wasn't moving my mom wasn't moving i keep hearing like the noise and i just like roll over and look to see if i see anything and i'm like oh i'm just like bugging out a little bit it's like the house settling or whatever you know what whatever you tell kids and then out a little bit it's like the house settling or whatever you know what whatever you tell kids and then tiff my wife is like i hear that too did you just hear that and i'm like what no no no she's like what the fuck is that and it's like my only like non-scary answer for what it might have been

was stuff in the closet of the room we were staying in settling like falling like oh the sneaker fell a little and I'm like I'm doing a lot of work so Tiffany and I were just like maybe it is a ghost and we're just like okay well we're going to sleep like we now have like the hippie ghost fear where we're like hey if you are here

we mean no trouble we're just going to bed and I'm on mushrooms. Here for the night Do what you gotta do. If you're gonna like sexually assault us, do both of us, please. Yeah, don't leave one of the other ones jealous. Can it be a blowjob ghost, please? Like Ghostbusters.

Can something thrilling happen from this? Gotta hope for the best. Yeah, it's interesting that your first year of thought is like, okay, be a ghost in that closet. I'm thinking, does someone live in that closet in a big house that that room is unoccupied?

And they were like, Oh shit, somebody's here tonight. And they hid in the closet. It's like the children beneath the stairs kind of shit. Oh yeah. Uh, yeah.

I mean, it's probably also a little bit of like male privilege to be like oh it's probably a ghost meanwhile my wife's like it's a rapist breaking into the house it's a human it's a human here to do harm to me because i am a woman and i'm like oh oh yeah i didn't even think of that i'm like it's probably a ghost babe oh boy well you made it out whatever it was i hope you know if it's a ghost Respect them If it's a human

Hopefully they're still with me Yeah maybe they Attach themselves to me And will slowly Make me go insane Over the course of time Hey Who can tell

Keep us posted Yeah Tricks on them I'm quickly going insane And it's already been happening Since before the possession Things are already bad Do your worst

I'm already spiraling Good luck ghosts Yeah good luck to you I've attached myself to you You're the one Things are already bad. Do your worst. I'm already spiraling. Good luck, ghosts. Yeah, good luck to you. I've attached myself to you. You're the one who's going to get fucked over by this. What is your relationship to scary movies in general? Sounds like you, I mean, you've seen The Descent, which means you can handle some fucking scary movies.

Yeah, I'm not scared of any movies because I have like my I have like a dangerously logical brain where I'm like, it's a movie. I'm constantly fighting that because I want to be scared. Like when I see a scary movie, I want to be. And then I always liked horror movies. And when I was a real young, they scared me. And then when I was in like my late teens through my mid-20s they didn't really do anything for me and i was like nah uh horror movies are whack or whatever but then i got back into like i got really into movies overall in general like realized they were a passion of mine and like felt like found some top shelf horror movies that i really enjoyed then i got into weed in my mid

20s 2.5 milligrams to start uh i'm well aware of the the sammy conundrum the sammy 2.5 or 25 which one is the right way what's the normal you just put the decimal point wherever you want after 250 milligrams let Let's ride. Oh, my God. I would have died. Yeah. No, you would have been. You would have slept for 18 hours.

You would have thought you were dying for a huge chunk. Because I did. Yes, that's true. I did. You looked it up. Can you die? And you can't. No, you can't.

I wouldn't if you're right. No, you can't. You would have to like you could only die like if you drop the lit joint into gasoline soaked pants or something like that. Like weed cannot kill you without like actively pursuing death. I guess maybe someone could prove us wrong by being like, oh, yeah. Right. Because you can die from like drinking too much water. Probably just if you like we're really trying to push it.

You probably could. But it'd be tough. But getting back into getting i guess it's technically back in the weed since i was smoking weed in junior high and shit uh getting back in the weed in my 20s made horror movies a little scarier made haunted houses a little scarier made scary yeah movies or scary things a little scarier just like it makes funny movies a little funnier turns off that logical brain a little bit something for that or i get a little extra focused or i have a little bit of the light paranoia that comes with getting stoned i don't know exactly what it is but weed which

you know ramps up my enjoyment of all movies like adds a layer to horror movies kind of lets you get tunnel visioned in there and lets you overthink it a little bit and lets you get scared and then as i got older and more into movies the uh share the shared experience of a horror movie in the theater is like something that is uh you know it's just below uh or just above a shared uh comedy movie a shared hilarious movie in a giant theater something about being in a large group of people with the exact same emotions at the same time that kind of is again i just sound like the 40 year old hippie that i've become but like there's something magical about a bunch of strangers all feeling the same raw emotion of either elation or fear at the same time like

that's yeah that's a wild experience uh and like everyone cringing at this everyone knowing something and like we all know this the scaffolding of movies now so you know when the like you can feel like oh they're building us up for a jump scare and that doesn't help you uh manage it anymore or any less you're just still like here it comes and everyone's just like uh and you hear like the the sort easier, more scaredy cats versus the less scaredy cats. You hear like the spectrum of like, you know, here when they start getting a little nervous,

you hear when they take a deep breath. When people hit their thresholds, like as it moves through the audience. Yeah. Like, not a horror movie, but I saw Crimes of the Future, the David Cronenberg movie in the theater.

And it was actually kind of a crowded theater, shout out LA, where people go see Cronenberg on opening day. But at one point, a dude just goes, what the fuck? Oh, no, it was seeing the movie Men with Tiffany. My wife. Happened in both movies. And if you've seen both, you'll know why.

Yeah, we've talked about both. We've discussed them, yeah. Yeah, Men was just like, someone was like, what the fuck? At like that volume right behind us and the entire crowd started laughing we were all like yes that is the right attitude yeah it's an appropriate reaction for that for that film for sure yeah i mean that that whole movie is just like oh okay yeah cool holy shit, cool. Holy shit. I do not. I do not know what's going on. Really ramps up in that third act.

Just when you're like, oh yeah, I get it. It's sort of like, oh, nope. Nevermind. No, no, no, no, no. Don't get it. Don't know what he's going for at all. This is insane. Okay.

I have some stats and trivia about Dog Soldiers for us. Great. It has an 80% on Rotten Tomatoes, 6.8 on IMDb. The budget was 2.3 million pounds. Oh, fancy. Jesus. And it made 5 million pounds.

So, you know, not terrible. It didn't get a theater release in the U.S. It got released on the SyFy channel. So Neil Marshall was not thrilled about that, but still making five million pounds, which is without a U.S. theater release. What's the exchange rate in 2002? It's more than five million dollars. Yeah, you got to throw inflation and conversion and currency on that

yeah that's a lot i'm short circuiting i'm sure i can't do it i can't do it but a lot of money uh neil marshall chose to use dancers as the werewolves instead of typical stuntmen in order to highlight in order to highlight their grace and elegant movements. And the set was also designed size-wise to force the creatures to have to bend upon entering, thereby highlighting their statuesque physiques. There are a few shots where they're, like, crawling in windows that look genuinely fucking freaky. They're big. It's really kind of spooky in the way that, like, Cats, the musical, is spooky. Like, the strange movement and shit.

You're like, this is wrong and I can't pinpoint why, but it feels bad to see. Five million pounds comes out to a little bit over six million pounds. Six million pounds in 2003 is the equivalent to $9.5 million. Nice. Yeah. Sorry, I'm a math nerd and once equations are thrown around i gotta i gotta get in very impressed we notoriously never check a single stat we don't we just throw things out about all that math and no one's gonna ever check that so we're gucci true we never would we absolutely

never would never will um simon pegg was offered a part in this film, but turned it down after Edgar Wright asked him to save his first horror role for Shaun of the Dead in 2004. Whoa. It's interesting to ask an actor to save your first horror role. I think because they wrote it. They wrote Shaun of the Dead together. Yeah. Simon, I think Nick Frost even wrote on it, too. I don't remember.

But yeah, I think it was like their collaboration. So Edgar was probably like, no, not yet. Please, please. Right. Right. Save it. Clearly, Simon Pegg had a little bit of a career before this or at least auditioned on Face and whatnot.

Yeah, exactly. And that was with Edgar, too. So I feel like he was I mean, that's a bold thing to ask a friend, but it looked like that gamble worked out well. Seems like they made the right call. I'm not mad about it. Sure, I would have liked to see him in this movie, but he's, you know, obviously. He's doing great.

Shaun of the Dead is iconic, so can't go wrong. Kevin McKidd, who plays the protagonist Cooper in this film, cracked a rib in the first few days of shooting, but hid it from Neil Marshall for fear of being replaced and eventually decided the pain was too much to bear and revealed the injury, at which point Marshall did indeed fire him and replaced him with Jason Statham. But then Jason Statham had to back out due to scheduling conflicts with ghosts of ghosts of Mars. And McKidd was rehired after his injury healed up. Great. Stressful, stressful order of events there for Kevin McKidd.

But are you guys are you guys Grey's Anatomy fans? I was at a time. Certainly it's been on for 1000 years. So I haven't stayed. Yeah. Stayed true to it. I left before Dr. Owen Hurt. Like I he was like right at the tail end of my enjoyment

of Grey's. He came in. Is that this guy? That's Kevin McKidd would go on to do several hundred more episodes of Grey's. And make all the money in the world, probably. That's what I was thinking about. These actors that are in these TV shows that just run forever. It made me a little sad that we don't have more

Kevin McKidd movies. I'd like to see him in more stuff i like him you're stumbling upon something that i've been talking about a lot lately in hollywood is like i would like to like seeing liam hemsworth in the movie spider head or seeing him in black hat where he's not thor you're like oh this dude's a pretty solid fucking actor he's objectively handsome and uh fun to look at but he's also a very good actor but he's been playing thor we've been like eating up his like prime acting years as thor downey jr like came back hard and then got did iron man in like 21 movies sam jackson has been nick and like it just eats these people's times up like uh like Scar Jo uh Olsen like these are all great Cumberbatch these are all great actors who are forced to like live in a compound

in Atlanta and make like hundreds of movies for us or in the case of like some of these golden handcuffed tv shows like uh everyone who's a cast member of Grey's is working 10 months out of the year making millions and millions of dollars they're not going to take their two months to not go to San Tropez for whatever you know right right yeah but yeah it bummed me out I was like Kevin McKidd is great feels like we're over doing an overall disservice to the ecosystem of cinema by trapping people in these but because in this country if you don't have, you could just easily die or be unhappy like or lose your house or something. So even Kevin McKidd's like, I got to do 300 episodes of Owen Hurt.

Yeah. He directed like 30 episodes of Grace. You know, like that's where the money starts getting real crazy. It gets to a point where they're like, well, this show is just exclusively made by us for us for for the rest of time. Yeah. It becomes like a huge like ponzi scheme where it's like the network needs to keep making it so it's on the books so that this money

goes there and that money goes there and meredith makes this much you know like it's so fucking dumb she's like the highest paid actor of all time right now right alan pompeo yeah and she wasn't and she was like underpaid for a very long time considering the name of the hospital and the longest running show is about her and she's the one constant the entire time yeah man oh man damn i saw her at a fuck cafe once oh yeah yep name the cafe name it it's called fuck Cafe. Oh, okay, great. So. I saw her at Fuck Cafe once is what I heard. I was like, I thought that was like some young hip dance party or something. You guys were like, oh, it's like, oh, it's a cafe.

It's for Gen Z LGBTQ kids to get together and just dance. I was like, oh, I gotta hear more about this Fuck Cafe. Okay, let's watch this trailer oh my god get into this movie oh my gosh i'm excited one of the most explosive brutal and purely enjoyable horror debuts since the evil dead genuinely frightening Genuinely frightening. Jaws, Aliens and Predator with a werewolf twist. A bitch of a werewolf movie. Playtime! Dog Soldiers. It'll blow your house down. a werewolf movie. Playtime! Dog soldiers. It'll blow your

house down. Okay, I can see the reference to Evil Dead in terms of the look of it a little bit. Yeah, and they're at kind of a remote place in the woods, and yeah. Yeah, and also Aliens, I guess it's one of my favorite movies of all time and i

didn't put together that it has that exact vibe like uh-huh and it has like the predator like a group of elite soldiers out in nature and something is hunting them yeah so i was destined to like this movie it's comprised of like we've it's been referenced references like four movies that i like oh my gosh there are a lot of references in it. It's so clearly his first movie because he's a movie fan, obviously. And there's so, there is no spoon. And it's 2000, the movie came out in the early 2000s. So the references are like, yeah, like we kind of know them.

If you know, it's like, they're not like super archaic, like movies that you're like, oh, I don't even know what he's referencing here. I was sort of getting Attack the Block vibes a little bit, too. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's like pretty much the same premise as a predator and all those. Like it all is that like, oh, wait, bad, a mythical evil thing in a place where it's not supposed to be. And we are uniquely equipped to try to stop it.

One thing I thought watching this trailer was the rip I watched on Amazon, it was the color quality and the lighting quality was way, whatever they call that, the transfer was way worse than whatever that trailer looked like. That made me want to buy the Blu-ray. The movie looks so much more light. I must have watched the same version you watched too. Cause yeah, it has like a 4k transfer that there's a trailer for that too. That I was like, damn, this looks way better than what I watched. I didn't watch your Blu-ray. I don't have the remote. I couldn't press play on it. I didn't watch the Blu-ray. I had to rent it. Blu-ray, a Blu-ray player that you also need a remote for is fundamentally broken. I was going to say, there's no freaking buttons on the thing. Why isn't there buttons on the player?

Dude, my television, you can't shut off by just pushing power. Ours either. It was so stupid. We had the other day and we were like, how the fuck do we turn this off? The remote wasn't working. We're like, there's nothing to do. We could only do it with the remote. And if you lose the remote or when you're going to sleep,'s very easy to just like walk past the tv and push power instead you're like

looking through the cushions for the remote before bed to just shut it off nightmare so it is funny too i guess dog soldiers is a little funny it's funny in that like i laughed humor way yeah i laughed at a few points too. Yeah. In the past few years, I have hit a point where I only want to be wearing clothes that are comfortable. It happened. It happened to me. But you know what?

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Let's do it. Yeah, it's funny because like even recapping it, I can't imagine a point in which you would be scared you know what i mean emily like because it's like there's not even a lot of spooky like an articulatable spookiness to it like yeah it's pretty straightforward yeah i'm fairly certain i'll go watch this like soon joel loves this movie and it was i'm sure he'll want to watch it uh and we we have the blu-ray so sure he'll want to watch it. And we, we have the Blu-ray. So, you know,

people want to see the Blu-ray. We've got it. Do you have a remote though? Is the question. We don't. Well, we, it's a PlayStation,

so you don't need a remote, but you do need the, the controller, the controller, which is basically a remote. So it's a, yeah, it's exactly that.

Just more, maybe more buttons. So we get like the little preamble where cooper meets the special cooper is denied the special forces because he won't kill a dog before even that we see it's in scotland and there's a couple camping and it's like a very obvious little like placement of a potential weapon they're in a tent it's like oh the letter opener that's pure silver hun it's like oh thank you you better like it it's pure silver who doesn't camp without their letter it was a gift because he's like a newly a writer or something like that and she keeps and they say pure silver enough times that you're like this is checkoff's letter opener this is gonna come

back into play later yeah and i thought this might be the longest distance between a setup and a usage of like a deus ex weapon uh kind of situation because this is moment one of the movie and the letter opener comes back at like moment like at the exact very last yeah oh cool yep so these campers like they get dragged out by some sort of beast or some sort of murderer we don't really hear or know what we see they like pulls the woman so hard the the boyfriend or whatever is like holding her hands trying to hold her into the tent and it pulls her so hard that her arms rip in half i think or like rip off of her body yeah it's pretty awesome there's a lot of like uh huge gaping wounds and guts hanging out in this movie that are kind of fun we get to some guts uh so then it goes to cooper who's kevin mckidd dr owen hurt he's our lead uh And he's at the end of a special forces trial where he classic fake out.

He's like running through the woods, murking people, whipping flashlights at dudes. And why is this movie coming back to me? So crystal clear. I didn't take notes. It's just coming back to me. So crystal clear. And again, it's because the movie is mega simple. Right. It's super straightforward.

It follows a logical order. So he, what's the main, the other baddie's name? Owen or whatever? It's Ryan. Captain Ryan. That's Liam Cunningham. He was in Game of Thrones. Davos. So they got to work together again, Neil Marshall

and... Oh, Davos! Lord Davos the onion knight the smuggler turned uh king's hand uh he's in this and you you think he's gonna he's gonna come back in an interesting way arguably interesting but the main takeaway from this scene is in order to be in the special forces which is like in a an extra elite uh you know i guess it's sas if they're british uh he has to kill a dog according to this guy ryan and he refuses that he goes he goes well on a mission you might have to do it and he goes like yeah well i'm i would i'm not against killing a dog i'm against killing this dog for no reason and it's really a like and then uh ryan captain ryan shoots the dog and kills it so this is a training exercise where they're really like and then Ryan, Captain Ryan shoots the dog and kills it.

So this is a training exercise where they're just like, and now kill this dog that's here for your training purposes. Yeah, it doesn't make a lot of sense, except if you know that dogs and wolves will be a huge part of the rest of the movie. Any other movie, this scene is very dumb. any other movie this scene is very dumb and this scene is just in this movie is just pretty dumb because we're definitely setting up some sort of love hate of dogs and wolves in general and like the irony is what ryan will eventually become as well and like uh cooper will have to kill the dog for the sake of the mission so he doesn't get it right and then uh we see him that is the next thing sammy like the other the new mission that starts that kicks off like the full movie it's six soldiers being dropped into the scottish highlands it's like a month later for a training

exercise and cooper is one of those guys and ryan is not it's like cooper and five other people including sarge spoon terry and like you know like just arbitrary fucking you know random and this is where there's so many reasons why diversity is important but on like the dumbest reason is if you have six white guys and they're all in military uniforms it's so hard it's so hard to tell them apart. It's so hard to tell them apart. They all have shaved heads too. So it's just like, it's almost impossible to tell them apart. I really struggled.

I had that with, we just did Predator, which I've seen a bunch of times and I love, and like all the white dudes who aren't Schwarzenegger, I have in my notes, all their names are messed up the whole time. And I have to go back and be like, wait, no, this one.

Cause it's like, yeah, the guys. Predator has two black guys and a giant i think native american is what billy goes is claimed to be or something like that yes that movie has like visual freaks too which i think helps it's like which one's arnold the one who doesn't look like a person which one is mac oh that's clay man yeah the black old dude who shaves with the dry shaves with a razor. You know, like there are those. Yeah. This movie just is like, he's the loud one.

He's the other loud one. Yeah. But they're all they're all kind of cheeky, busting each other's balls. They're not excited about this mission. There's a big footy match on. They're sort of just like basic ass dudes. And the thing is they gotta like invade this area for this war game uh and there's like patrols they gotta not get caught and

it really doesn't make a lot of sense and then the plan that ryan is like there's a separate thing happening on top of this which we'll get to which doesn't make a lot of sense like it seems hyper specific where he's like i needed you guys to draw out the werewolves so we could finally kill them allegedly but i don't even know if that's what ryan's plans were so they're there under false pretenses a little bit they don't know it yet yeah okay this is already when i had to turn it off because i was a little too stoned to be fair, it is like if you're stoned and they land with those big fake guns and shit like that, they have like the weird blanks and stuff like that. But you're right.

Cause I was like hyper focusing on things too hard that then I couldn't like follow the next thing. Cause I'd be like thinking about the one thing for a little too long. And then I'm like, fuck, I missed all the next stuff. And I was like, all right, this isn't happening tonight. That's when you know you're too high when you're like oh my god the movie moved on without me you're like yeah that's exactly what was plugged into time code 621 the movie's at 740 at this point you're like fuck oh she could be the scientist and i go like movie is just and the best is when you're high and you are misinterpreting something and diving in deep.

And then you're watching it with someone else. And I'll be like, that makes total sense because she's the dolphin from the cold open. And my wife will be like, what? And I'll be like, oh, I'm seeing a connection that's not there. And then adding to it. Oh, I made a different movie happen. I'm making a different movie now. Oh, that's not happening in this movie.

Okay, cool, cool, cool cool but i like it okay so they've been dropped in scotland for what they think is a training exercise but maybe it's something else yeah and their guns they have like no they're fake guns they don't have real bullets yeah okay they have to like invade uh invade something uh cooper who's kind of like very knowledgeable he was almost special forces as we know uh but he's got a moral reason why he won't be there not not a skill reason so he notices that there's patrols going this way and this way and they can shoot through the patrols at a specific point and later on we'll hear i just might as well say it at this point that ryan who's uh part of the special forces that are hunting the werewolves or dealing with the werewolves in some capacity or working

with the werewolves or want to harness the werewolves or are the original creators of the werewolves that's all confusing to me in the movie but he's unbeknownst to them setting them up to take this very specific path to bring them in the in within the range of the right using them as like bait basically yeah but unfortunately for ryan and his crew they get attacked by we don't see it that i think neil marshall does a great job in this movie of slowly letting us see uh the you get such quick little flashes at first yeah it's like their little silhouette running by we also get a black and white pov with growling so we can see we can see because it gives us their night quote-unquote night vision which is another important part of the movie as it goes on you're like oh yeah night vision of course

they're better at night yeah we should stay inside i mean that's just such simple movie making too like the fear of night and then you're like like at a disadvantage i saw blair witch in the theater and like i i remember you know i was also young so you know 17 or 16 or something like that and i just remember being like every time it was morning in the movie being like fuck yes and then like when i left the theater and it was still light out outside like i saw it on like a weekend afternoon i was like a sigh of true relief of like, oh, thank fucking God. I could not handle nighttime right now.

So scariest time. And then we get our like team of six. The team of six stumble upon the wounded or the the dead uh and there's gear they have like non they have live ammo and weapons and shit and then out of like the fucking debris pops uh captain ryan and he's got a huge cartoon three-pronged slash across his chest he's got like a he's got like a very art directed claw on his chest and you're like this dude has been through it what the fuck he's he's crazy and he's not really talking about what's going on but they roll him into their crew and they and they know something's up they don't

know it's werewolf yeah he he mumbles to himself there was only supposed to be one there was only supposed to be one right clearly clearly the pack to be one. Right. Clearly, clearly the pack is growing. And that's ironic, too, based on what happens to Ryan over the course of the movie. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Then the like comms are not working. They're they're freaking they're like getting the real guns. Now they realize now that it's something is up and this isn't the test anymore.

Yeah. They're like ditch all their dumb blanks gather up real guns and their plan is to just get the fuck to the objective or get out of here they end up getting in another scuffle with some uh with the dog soldiers with the wolves and they run and get into a car or this this movie features some dope land rovers it's true they're there and they like call them out by name a lot they're like the land rovers in the shed yeah we have the back they have a backup land this movie features a backup land rover i love in anything when you when a brand is mentioned movie or show like we joel and i've been watching old seasons of Top Chef recently and every season they're like sponsored by a different Toyota car.

And so they'll be like, all right guys, let's get in the Highlanders. And I just think it's so like nobody ever does that, but it's so funny to me. Packed up the Highlanders and we took off. These Range Rovers are cool. They're like the old school ones that are like slightly extended for more seats.

Yeah. Before the Land Rover though, there's like a scene where they hear something coming and they like grab Ryan and they're running. And yeah, I don't think they have like a super clear plan. They're just trying to get away. And they are in this wooded area. And one of the men runs straight into a tree branch that impales him.

Oh, right. This fight first. Yes. That's awesome. Because you think he's getting speared by the wolf or something like that. And then they pull out the reveal. In his panic, he just ran directly into a tree branch and that's a great old school hollywood scary effect where you tape the tip of a branch to

his back have him lean up against this and just have blood everywhere and it really works and like you know he's like alive for one more second during that and then another one of his buddies shows up to help and this is uh we get some we get some good guts here our first visible guts he gets his stomach like slit open by the wolf claw and he falls down and he has like the visible guts spilling out like intestines like the sausage links yes it's it's a lot and he's like he's the sergeant sergeant wells and he tells cooper like leave just go without me and cooper's like no no i can't leave you behind and it's really he that this interaction is one of those kind of funny moments where he's like my guts are spilling out he's like well put them back in he goes they don't fit he's like they have to and he starts shoving them back

he starts shoving his guts like into his stomach and like yeah yeah it's awesome and it looks it it sounds so terrifying and gross but it does look a little kid showy in a good way like it like it does look a little comical so it's it's not fully horrifying and it feels like they know that when he goes when he says they don't fit and then uh he's like they have to i forgot about this moment this is a really and that establishes that knocks him down to five and makes the sarge kind of uh a victim for the whole the whole thing but uh so then they get into the land rover with the veterinarian or zoologist whatever yeah megan oh that's fun yep she just comes out of nowhere and they're like well great we'll get in this car was she giving you scottish melanie linsky vibes at

all by any chance i could see that for sure she was giving me that in that she was like. I liked her. Yeah. I liked her. I liked her a lot. Yeah, she was great. She's such an interesting layer to this movie because she's not a damsel in distress. She's not the sort of magical female scientist character that saves everyone. She's sort of like a complicated character who only gets more complicated as the movie goes on. It's kind of rad.

But we get this dope ass action sequence inside the range rover where land rover where the wolf arm is down through the center of the ceiling uh the roof and they're all kind of sitting around it like stabbing it like try like they're all like let's stab it but cut it's fucking you know and they're all trying to do stuff to it it's like kind of he's like drive drive drive you know it's like that classic situation. It's all like hectic and crazy. I think there's a shot in there

where Cooper is like squeezing hand sanitizer on his open guts. They're like trying to do their triage, like, fuck, like we gotta get him. Something cool with the wolf arm, they put the knife like in the forearm and like pull it down through the wolf arm. And it's not enough to stop the wolf, but it is enough. Like it is.

It's something that looks very cool and visceral. And you would think would be like this ought to end the wolf. And that's just still like fucking rocking it and shit like that. And Ryan has said something earlier, like as they're loading up with a bunch of ammo he's he says like it doesn't matter it's not you're not it's not gonna they're not gonna die yeah this won't kill it and they have and they have a shit ton of weapons yeah they've got a lot and ryan is like nope it's not gonna work yeah so then this random woman has rescued five six soldiers now and she's like, I know a house

that these neighbors live around here. We should be able to hide out there. They should be able to give us, you know, lodging for the night. Supplies or whatever. They're like trying to, they need to get this man either stitched up or something

before they can get him to the hospital. They're like, we need to do like some temporary. Yeah, we need to get him squared away. and then we get him in the car that we drive because the hospital is according to the zoologist four hours uh it's three hour drive in any direction before you even hit civilization yeah deep they're deep and excuse me they're deep in the highlands okay and this house is dope this house is so it's decorated so well there's a dog there which of course comes into major play uh never the dog has some fun moments um involving guts later but for now they still don't know what

they're up against but they're everyone is hinting at inside the logic of the movie people are hinting at what's going on like ryan's hinting at it even the woman is like i came here to study them or whatever and we're learning more and more that she came here to study the phenomenon these animal of whatever this is that's made campers go missing and uh solo hikers disappear. There's been like legends. And she's like,

I came to investigate the legend and I found evidence. But the family that lives in this place is not there. Nowhere to nowhere to be found. So they go and they basically just like check it, make sure it's clear. And then basically use it as their base camp for now. Yeah. They don't check the basement,

which I think could end up being a problem. Wink wink. Basement is always a problem. It is always a problem. Yeah. It's Chekhov's basement. You don't even know about it till the end of the movie. And it's like,

and guess what? There's bodies and a silver letter opener down here. Surprise basement. I hate to see it. Um, but so they like realize that, or Cooper is basically saying Sergeant Wells isn't going to make it. We need to get him to the hospital and they decide they're going to try to

drive. Cause he's going to die if they don't, but him and one of the indistinguishable other soldiers go outside to check the car and it has been basically ripped to shreds by the wolves. Like the engine has been pulled out. It looks really cool. The hood is like ripped open like a human chest cavity and the engine is gone. They didn't hear that or see that uh you know these professional soldiers who are setting up a base missed all that but that being said can't leave now they're stuck in the house and this is funny because we're we're going kind of beat by beat

on the story here but at this point the like if you had to like write the outline of this movie you would be here you would go 45 to 55 minutes of defending the house for Will. Yes. It's like basically all that for a while. Just like little battle, a little reprieve, little battle, little reprieve. Yeah. And they do a good job of keeping it dynamic that you don't get bored. But it is in this one location and constantly like firing rounds at a window and then you know

the wolf being gone like it's a lot of it's a lot of uh repetitive action but it does lull you into a sense of like what is going to happen for these people uh do we know do we have a sense of how many wolves there are or like how much have we seen of them? Definitely more than one. Have we seen a full form yet? Okay. There's definitely more than one. She later on says they're hunting in packs. There's an alpha and a beta

and a sidekick. So she's like doing the math on how many of them there are. And for the eagle-eyed viewers or second-time viewers or by the end of the movie, we know that there's definitely three uh because we saw that it's the entire family spoiler uh and there's a fourth werewolf and

we won't get to that spoiler just yet okay i mean there's literally no point because the whole movie is downhill in a good way from here you know what i mean like it's just like defend the house hopefully survive let's learn more about werewolves and it's just like one guy becomes like super gung-ho there's a fun there's a fun uh sam ramey beat where they're running low on bullets and they find like an axe make some boiling water find a sword find like that sword really made me laugh they like open a little chest and there's just a fucking huge sword in there and just like yeah and he's like this could be true or but i'm like oh but that's because they're in scotland i don't know probably people have swords in their house the scottish the scottish islands makes me think of braveheart

which makes me think of swords i'm not i'm not here to say uh i have a sword in my house the scottish the scottish islands makes me think of braveheart which makes me think i'm not i'm not here to say uh i have a sword in my house yeah not in my i don't i wish i had a chest i do have a sword but i need a chest uh you gotta get a chest for that sword even one guy pulls out like the electric carving knife out of the drawer like they're like doing a lot of like that rambo montage of like what are we suiting. But we get a lot of cool gun shit too. There's a lot of like spraying bullets at werewolves, werewolves getting hit with shotguns and stuff, but no long-term damage. A lot of like,

maybe Sammy, what were some highlights of the combat? I liked when the werewolf climbed the rope outside that was taught, like this is towards the end during, when they're going to try to get the other truck. I like the werewolf climbing the rope outside that was taught like this is towards the end during when they're going to try to get the other truck i like the werewolf climbing the rope i like learning that the flashes of lights fuck uh like a camera flash fucks yes megan is using megan is using a camera flash as as a weapon that makes sense as a weapon that is because not lethal not lethal well we learn nothing is lethal that's true but they do feel

pain at least because they when they get shot they run away they don't like it but it doesn't kill it it's like it doesn't kill the turret they heal in one of these earlier fights okay so one of the werewolves grabs one of the guys i think his name is terry and cooper comes in to save him and i think uses the sword or a knife to cut off the werewolf's whole arm he cuts off the whole arm does it grow back i maybe it does but later like because we never see a one-armed werewolf later but he does cut and it's like like and that's a classic horror movie trope it's like we can't make a realistic looking werewolf body it's like, and that's a classic horror movie trope. It's like, we can't make a realistic looking werewolf body. It's like, I got one arm. We just, the hero arm gets cut off.

We shoot it in a closeup and it looks dope. Yeah. And there's a line that someone says where he says, dogs more like pussies. Yeah. And then immediately gets killed by a werewolf. Yeah. It's pretty good.

How many have we lost at this? I mean, like, is it just sort of whittled down to... I think Terry goes first and they're kind of spread out among the house. It looked like a big house from the trailer.

It's two story and Cooper and Megan go upstairs with... Sarge. Who's in bed. The sergeant, yeah, to lay him in the bed to do... Yes, they're doing...

They get some super glue and they're gonna perform some real they're gonna close them up uh and this is kind of fun this sequence good good memory here sammy because they get the sarge drunk so they can do the surgery and he is like unruly he's like you have to knock me out and so uh cooper just punches him in the face twice and knocks him out it's like that is very funny like they're like that is why they get him wasted and some trivia is that that actor got drunk for real oh my god and that kevin mckidd on the second punch accidentally did punch him for real and he said said that he didn't feel it because he was so drunk. Oh my God.

So that seems somewhat real. There's a moment where they're trying to stop the door. The werewolves coming in through the door and they're all trying to stop the door. This is a little earlier and there is a dog in the house and the dog is pulling at the guts of Sarge. Like, chew it. And in the trivia, it says the original line called, original scene called for the dog to be in the guts.

They thought it was too gross. So they let, they switch it to the bandage. But in the cut, the bandage doesn't, it doesn't look like the dog has a bandage in its mouth it looks like it's stretching his intestines soaked in blood so it just looks yeah but again it's like pretty funny and then we see ryan is contemplating killing the dog in that moment of course he loves to kill dogs yeah that's like the one thing cooper knows about him cooper knows it's the same guy and he's like uh so but as time goes on ryan's being really weird and not really helping with defense or anything like that but then cooper starts putting some shit together and cooper's like let's see the wound let's see

your big chest wound uh he's like i know you're healed under there because i'm starting to put together that you're one of these fucking werewolves dude and oh oh what how smart because he would have healed i was thinking like because they're gonna be like hair no it said he's healing they rip open his shirt and he's he's no longer got three huge gashes in his chest which uh retroactively makes the cartoonishly large gashes on his chest like make sense for the right understanding of the movie you've got to really see where they're not yeah and and that's that's very interesting like it doesn't really pan out in the long run except that makes ryan the ultimate bad werewolf for cooper to eventually go head to head with uh but other than that it is like a now we have one inside the house like now there's one inside the house with us. That's extra terrifying.

And they don't really play it like that, but we do get him transforming in the living room. And then they put a sword through his chest. Which doesn't kill him. Okay. Does not kill him because he comes down later to fight Cooper with the sword still stuck in him, which is awesome.

Oh, that's fun. I like that. Yeah. What other cool action shit happens in here so there's a scene that they um they i think megan says they keep a spare land rover in the barn and so someone one of the guys is gonna make a distraction while the other guy runs to the barn to grab the truck so that they can maybe use it to escape. They do that. It's Spoon and Joe. Not that it matters, really, but they they like one is a distraction and one runs for it. Joe goes to the barn and gets in the truck and he sees Terry,

who's the one that got dragged away right after calling him pussies. that got dragged away right after calling them pussies yeah we see him being eat like eaten live it looks kind of it sounds great and it looks pretty good yeah but the the foley on it is like a dog eating peanut butter it's like and then they cut over and he's just chewing on like a dummy's neck and their blood and that head looks kind of realistic it's it's pretty awesome and then he gets scared and like drives out uh gets out drives like a wild man pulls up in front of the house and he's like come on come on and people are like getting ready and then all of a sudden you just hear like and the dude in the car i think it's spoon or joe at this point is like you're right behind me aren't you and then the best i think this is one of the better sequences in the movie because

it matches his character and he's like and that's fucking it and he dives into the back seat to fight it and it's shot in a way where you don't see the werewolf ever you just hear and then they come running out open up the car door, and Joe slides out as like a puddle. He's like a legit, it's like a puddle with a head and a uniform in it, just come pouring out. But his action of like, you're right behind me, aren't you? And you think he's going to get like, he goes, and that's it, you Roy cunt,

or whatever British slang he yells. He like turns and like that's it you roy cunt or whatever british slang he yells he like turns and like leaps into the back of the truck and they do like the rocking truck action and shit like that it works so well yeah oh and this is during this is when the distraction guy is trying to climb the rope up uh and the werewolf is chasing him the rope is tied to a bed when the werewolf gets the rope the bed starts sliding towards the wall and they're rapidly trying to cut it and again that's kind of low stakes because like the werewolf is going to fall eight feet if they do it but the movie features a lot of these like hurry and cut the rope or else we're all dead like these like goonies-esque kind of moments which just vary the threat and danger like it doesn't feel too scary but it feels better than shoot it. You know, it just, it's something new.

And I, I, I appreciate, uh, them coming up with newer and newer ideas or different ideas. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and then after Joe is killed, basically liquefied in the car. Yeah. Once he's pureed, once he's turned into a Joe smoothie. yeah once he's pureed once he's turned into a joe smoothie there's the like moment in the film like the dark night of the soul where they play claire de lune on the piano and you've got to play claire de lune and they're feeling like more fucked than ever now the second car is fucked up

and there's really no escape uh their ammo is super low. And this is when they start interrogating Captain Ryan. So they're like, OK, tell us what the fuck is going on. Like, I know, you know more than you're saying, which like I'm not sure why they didn't ask him this a while ago. I was like, now he's one of them. So can we trust anything he would tell us? Oh, well, this is actually before he turned. Sorry, I'm jumping. I'm jumping.

But this is like right before he turns into a werewolf. But they've seen that he's healed. So they know that he's like, yeah, going to be. He's still a man. Yes. And as far as we can see. OK, OK. Yeah.

And this is where he gives the reveal that they were using the team as bait to draw out the werewolves because apparently they wanted to capture one alive to do like testing on it maybe use it as a weapon it is a little convoluted and I don't really you know very alien like though you know I was gonna say I see

the sneeze and I think I'm distracting everybody no I'm like I want to talk about this movie too at the sneeze and I think I'm distracting it by no I'm like I want to talk about this movie too at the same time I agree like it's it is like alien there it's like the corporation like exactly the and the

pro militarization of like it's a potential weapon like that that shit was such a trope of movies growing up and now it's like a 40 year old man who understands like the dangers of capitalism i it's all completely believable it's like the polarizer character in aliens is the most believable character ever it's like no no i was gonna let all these strangers die for a slight uh increase in my salary yeah it's like oh i was

completely comfortable with that yeah it makes total sense now yep all right and that's the the final like final set piece involves breaking through wall like involves like zelda level re-understanding the layout of the house i got pretty lost in the final set piece i got it's. I mean, it's very fun, but yeah, they're straight up just like going through walls. So after Ryan transforms into werewolf, they stab him with a sword. There's a fun line where at first when he transforms, they like don't know what to do. And one of them has a stick and throws it and says, fetch. And then they stab him and he jumps out a window. He's obviously not dead and uh then we get

they kind of realize okay there's werewolves spend most of their time as humans and there's no humans around here except for the family that live in this home so this is where they put together that the family that lives here must be the werewolves and megan is saying you know like they're good people like and not anymore megan seems to know a little too much about the family uh and a little too much how they're really she's really overselling that they're good people and yeah cooper's like too bad because we have to fucking kill him. Is it her family? Circling, warmer, warmer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then she comes up with the idea, with her zoologist knowledge, she's saying, okay, well, yeah, wolves hunt in packs.

This makes sense that they would have their alpha pair, their beta pair, and they would be staying in shelter near where their food is and so they're probably all in the barn and she suggests this suggests a plan of basically using like all their shit to blow up the barn right and then this is where we get the huge uh molotov they can't get the match to light and then the slow motion throwing of the molotov cocktail into the gasoline that runs great explosion of the barn uh blows up the barn completely uh doesn't stop the wolves now i'm really curious about megan's perspective here and yeah as soon as they blow up the barn she has a moment where she kind of looks like she's gonna kiss cooper she like goes close to his face and then she says i'm sorry i i thought you were

the best chance i had and again like i'm a little i'm a little confused about some of megan's motivations here no not arguably none of it makes sense. Because I feel the same way about Megan in this movie. I'm like, what was she doing from the jump? But she basically reveals, she gives this little monologue, says, I thought you were the best chance I had at getting out. I came here to be with nature, to be one with nature. And I got what I wanted. And you see Cooper's little wheels turning in his head. And he said, they weren't in the barn. None of the werewolves were in the barn, were they?

And she says, not a one. And he goes, the picture of the family, you took that picture, didn't you? You're not in it because you took it. She's like, yep. Oh, Megan, the wolf. Oh, shit. took it she's like yep and there is a shot earlier where she does have a healed scar on her arm of three scratches that i had noticed about halfway through the movie and i she also she also cuts her hand gets the bandage and then loses that over the Right, so there are little hints at it. That's fine! But again, I'm like not sure what her what her whole

deal is with being pretending to be on there. I thought you were on Best Chance to Get Out. Like Get Out how? Yeah. Get Out of where? Like you're a werewolf. Meh, whatever. It makes no sense because she like, the thing that makes the most sense is that she's long playing the trap for them, more or less.

But then do they have control over when they transform and i thought like one of the main things of being a werewolf is you can't control over yeah your transformation very confusing because she would be disappearing for large swaths of the movie too if she like right yeah there's a couple fun lines in this exchange as cooper is getting pissed realizing he's been had where he says, you women, same old shite. Always pretending not to be a wolf and then being revealed to be a wolf. I told myself this wouldn't happen to me again. Oh, and do they say they say Goldilocks when they come in?

I feel like they reference. And then this whole thing is arguably Little Red Riding Hood. Right. It's like or the three little pigs. Because there's a lot of like there's a lot of that floating around where it's like grandma's. Oh, you are a werewolf. Oh, the wolves want to come in. There's a lot of that going on, which is kind of fun. In the trailer.

Yeah. The last thing is like, it blow she also has a line where she says to cooper you may think all women are bitches or something like that but i'm the real thing because she's a female dog and it just really made me laugh so stupid it's like this villainous speech but also just pretty confusing oh and then the last thing i'm sorry one more little one-liner she has is like do you think i like this do you think i chose this no but it's that time of the month that's a really funny that's a really funny way to tease that out. Yeah. And then we see all the werewolves coming up behind her in like a pretty creepy shot.

She's like backlit and we just see their shadows and like growing behind her and she starts transforming. Her eyes turn yellow, her teeth get all gnarly and crazy. And one of the other guys just shoots her right in the head as she's transforming. Cause I think they've established that you can kill them while they're human. Before they transform. Yes.

And so that's, I think why they're waiting. There's like mention of, we just got to make it till sunrise. Like when they transform back into humans, we can just kill them all then. And so one of the guys just doesn't hesitate and shoots her right before she transforms and she seems to die but then yeah then we get this crazy big fight with the rest of them

set piece like breaking through walls they hide in a closet at some point so to try to explain this to you emily and the view and listeners who have who won't see the movie for some reason um they like like zelda stop using doors and start just breaking through side like to get away from the wolves so the sarge is in the closet sarge knows he's gonna turn into a wolf and he's like he's like saying like leave me here get out of here i let me die and so sarge is in there he's using like hairspray and a match or hairspray and a lighter to like defend and cooper's trying to get to him but coming in a roundabout way by busting through walls after wall and it's very it's kind of cool but like sammy said very hard

to keep track very hard to follow where the fuck they are you said it earlier emily you're like it seemed like a big house this is where the house seems enormous there seems to be like space in between walls and shit so they're busting around and it's kind of fun because it's like again he does a neil i'm saying he but neil marshall does a good job of like now there's like a new thing you're rooting for of like hurry cooper break through the wall you know like and it's like has nothing to do with shooting and wolves so it's kind of at least and so when they're doing that they fall through to the first floor and notice like uh some like they notice breaking in the ground and then they fall through eventually to the basement okay here we go now we've fallen through like we've gone through like six walls on the second floor fallen through the ground and then fall through another hole in the ground, and

what's in the basement? Carcasses and all of the... That's the lair. That's where when she... It wasn't the barn, it was here. It wasn't the barn, it was the basement. And like, them blowing up the barn makes them use all their explosives. Now you realize they don't have the capabilities. Now they're...

Cooper is in the basement, and Ryan, in wolf form shows up to and and damn oh sorry i forgot one other fun set piece sammy is the dude who uh spoon before he dies fist fights the werewolf he's like he's like out of bullets he's like oh fuck it then come on now and it's just like throwing haymakers and like dodging and like punching the werewolf as hard as he can and then getting like thrown around and he gets absolutely decimated and when they're looking for him later they find like his watch or whatever yeah in a pile of guts and they're like quote the matrix and say there is no spoon yeah he's like spoon or spoon there is no spoon. Yeah, he's like, spoon or spoon? There is no spoon. There is no spoon. It got me. It got me good.

I mean. So now we see Cooper's in the basement squared off against Ryan in wolf form and Cooper's using all the pre-established things we've seen. He's doing hand-to-hand combat. He's got a gun briefly. He loses it,

but he gets tossed to the side and ends up amongst a shredded tent and carcass and you're like i recognize these tents i wonder if the letter opener is in there because even earlier uh they try to melt down silverware and megan says like would be weird for a family of werewolves to keep a bunch of silver in the house and so it's like shit you're right that's not even silver and now it's like all of those signs point to this little letter opener and cooper gets it in and smoke and fire comes out from the fucking wound and shit it looks pretty rad and like you're like there's no reason to root for like the movie does a good job of making you care about cooper who's just uh you

know who if he died it doesn't affect our lot anyone's lives at job of making you care about cooper who's just uh you know who if he died it doesn't affect our lot anyone's lives at all but like you care about him so much so him winning in this moment is fucking rad and i feel like the little dog the border collie that has been at the house like kind of helps him too he's like you know just there for moral support and just like barking and like biting at the world so it's like see this dog that he didn't shoot in the head you should have never ryan ryan you turned this is why you don't kill dogs can be a helpful ally in a fight almost is like this is your revenge for having killed the dog is that you will be killed as a dog and a dog will hate you a dog yeah so it's it's a weird you know turn of events to get to the comeuppance but it works wow but are there still other werewolves sergeant wells is in the

house still um as um cooper gets out sergeant wells cuts the main gas line in the in the main house and basically explodes the whole house with the rest of the werewolves in there so we don't see him die but we're crossing our fingers we see we see an amazing explosion yes an amazing practical effects giant fucking explosion of a house and that uh as you watch more and more action movies in 2022, non-CGI fire and explosions is pretty fucking rad. And this explosion. And we got the barn explosion, which is just a little amuse-bouge to the full-blown fucking. And then Cooper stumbles out with the dog into its daylight now and he comes out of the house

well what's left of the house and that's the end of the movie and there's a few little clips in the credits it's got a hang over I should look up when the hang over one came out because it rips off the hang over or the hang over rips

off it hang over came out in 2009 so the hang over rips off this hangover or the hangover rips off it hangover came out in 2009 so the hangover rips off this ending because this ending shows the photos that were snapped with the camera during the action which is very fucking because megan was using a camera as the weapon that is so cool so we see the photos developed and it's like uh black and white of a werewolf climbing into the window black and white of a werewolf like this and it's really it's like black and white of a werewolf climbing into the window black and white of a werewolf like this and it's really it's really it's kind of a cool tag to the movie

I was gonna lose my mind if the if hangover had come out before this movie and it had been 20 something years of or 20 years of the hangover I have no like see that's the thing is I have no bearing on time anymore it's hard I mean I would have believed it I was like probably and then I but I'm I believed it. I was like, probably.

But I'm honestly relieved. I was like, oh, I watched The Hangover in high school. It's like, no, it came out when you were 30, John. Okay. It does sort of feel like it's existed forever. Yeah. Somehow. That's fair. Wow.

What a cool movie. There's one little shot in the credits too of the front of a newspaper. And it's a photo of Cooper. And the headline is werewolves ate my platoon. But then you pan out and you see that the main headline is England beat Germany five to one. That's like takes up like the leading story. And that's the footy match that Joe has been talking about the whole time. Yeah.

I thought that was fun. Yeah, that's cool. That is fun. But yeah, that's Dog Soldiers. That's Dog Soldiers. I had a great time. Hell yeah. Two unwatched Blu-rays between the three of us.

Ridiculous. Man, I Man, this movie did not disappoint. I was very excited to check it out. I'm a big fan of Neil Marshall. I've seen Centurion. I like even his later movies. I've not seen the David Harbour Hellboy, which I will now watch next. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I didn't even know he directed it, if I'm being honest, until I looked up his IMDb to see which episodes he what other stuff he's direct. Yeah. Centurion is really fun, too. I don't know if it's fun, but I really like that movie when I first saw it. I'm going to check that out. Yeah, I haven't seen that either. But he's he's great. He's a great director. I love him. Damn. Yeah. Big fan. So I was this movie did did not disappoint it was the early low budget kind of action thriller that i i needed yes i'm very i'm so happy that you picked it it was a perfect choice yeah i'm definitely gonna watch it i like any i can do an action horror an action slash anything i will subscribe to yeah hell yeah and it's funny and and British and British. So yeah, unless you can't stand

the sight of even fake blood, I think you could probably handle it. Yeah, exactly. The deterrent is the gore. It's not like super scary. Yeah. And it has the low budget and comic timing

that makes you feel a little safer and at home. Yeah, they're not. We've talked about this, that there are some horror movies where their point is for you to have a good time as the viewer. That I can do. You're kind of in on it. You're kind of in on it is the way I would describe it. Yeah, I think you're right. They're like, you can be scared if you want, but mostly just come along for the ride. I think you can handle it. I barely know you and I think you can handle it.

Thank you. I think that I think I can. potentially also for a trilogy. But that's fun. But then he's been interviewed him and like, yeah, no, that's never going to happen. But we can dream. I feel like I'd watch a sequel to this movie. You never know. It just does feel like the kind of movie, especially because given that it didn't have a U.S. theatrical release. I know so many people who think this movie totally rules. And I'm like, it's a movie I've heard about and heard about and heard about. think this movie totally rules and I'm like it's a movie I've like heard about and heard about and heard

about it seems like the kind of movie that 20 25 years later would be like they're making another and everyone would be really pumped about it yeah it'll be remade soon enough and we will not we will not like the

Killian Murphy dog I don't know maybe I like it maybe he likes Killian Murphy dog. I don't know. Maybe I like it. Maybe he likes Killian Murphy. Hell yeah. I'm so happy to have done this. I also feel so lucky to have another fun one. We haven't had a real depressing one

in a minute and I'm pleased. Sometimes we leave these feeling very bad. Not today. Today's not that day. Sometimes horror movies without the context of watching them Sometimes we leave these feeling very bad. Not today. Not today. Today's not that day. Sometimes horror movies, without the context of watching them, in the context of just someone describing the plot, they're just like a little too fucked up. Yeah.

But when you watch it, you're like, oh, it's fun. I see what they're going for. But if you're like, and then the father had been raping the daughter for a generation, you know what I mean? It's like when you describe it, you're like, oh, fuck, that's awful to hear. I'm in a bad mood now. You guys know better than me. Yep, we've definitely experienced that.

We've definitely experienced that. Sometimes this can ruin a day. This can really leave me with the bad remainder of my weekend, but not today. Not today. Today, the horror is the world. Well, tomorrow, the horror is the world.

Today, it's happy birthday, Tom, which is all I'll be thinking about. 60 years of Tom is we're so blessed. Not enough. Not enough. It'll never be enough. Never enough. He'll keep giving us perfect film after perfect film and we're not worthy. Thank you so much, Gabrus, for coming on, for picking this movie.

Of course. Thank you for having me. This was a true pleasure. This was such a treat. Yeah. You know, we mentioned High and Mighty Podcast. What else would you like to plug? What's coming up?

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Let me think of a statement here. What do they say? I've got one for you guys. I've got one for you guys. Okay, let's hear it. Women, aka birds. Oh, birds. You shite in it.

Shite in it. Shite in it. From all of us here at Too Scary Didn't Watch. That was pretty good. Yeah, didn't watch. I like that watch. Goodbye in it. Shite in it.

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