Too Scary; Didn't Watch - EVE'S BAYOU

Episode Date: July 8, 2020

Poetic monologues, psychic visions, and the terrifying fallibility of memory - we're recapping Kasi Lemmons' 1997 film Eve's Bayou. Bonus discussion about Xavier Burgin's documentary Horror Noire: A History of Black Horror! Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is Emily, Henley, and Sammy, and you're listening to Too Scary, Didn't Watch. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Too Scary, Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves. I'm Emily, and that's me, too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Henley, and I'm also too scared to watch scary movies. I'm Sammy, and I like watching scary movies, and I like telling my scaredy cat friends about them. Yay! Yay! We love her for it. We love her for it. This is what it This is what we do and we like it And what's up with us? Well we all

We all did a thing this week Separately We did We watched a movie called Horror Noir Which is a documentary about black horror films Came out last year I believe Directed by Xavier Bergen Written by Ashley Blackwell And Danielle Burrows and based on a book by Robin R. Means Coleman.

And it was so interesting and good. And I really loved it. What did you guys think? I really loved it. I cried. I cried in it. Also, I will say recommended to us by a listener. Yes.

At least that's the first time I heard of it. So thank you so much for that. I love come to love horror so much, even though I don't watch it. And I found myself feeling so moved by seeing all these black filmmakers and actors in the horror genre talk about this, this world that I've come to love and seems like it has been particularly bad at representation. Hollywood in general has been quite bad. But yeah, it was fascinating. Yeah, I loved it. It was so compelling. It was an awesome mix of people who are talking in terms of like academics, and then a lot of actors and filmmakers who had been in these movies. And I think, you know, obviously we live in a society that's kind of built on structural racism and that creeps into every single part of how we live. And so, of course, that's a part of horror movies as well.

Right. And it was really compelling to see that laid out chronologically. Yeah. I really liked the way that it was structured. Yeah. They start by talking about the birth of the nation, birth of a Nation, which came out in 1915. I heard about that movie so much in the past few weeks. I'd never thought much about it, but holy shit.

Yeah. What a fucking scary ass fucking movie. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Talk about a horror movie. Yeah. It's fucking terrifying. Holy shit.

It's so fucked. It's bad. But yeah, it's really uh fascinating how i mean we all know this that is cinema in general kind of reflects the times and horror does as well and yeah it just did a really good job kind of yeah taking us through chronologically like what's happening in history and what's happening in horror films particularly with black people and how like there's parallels between Night of the Living

Dead and Martin Luther King and like all these things that were just really I just really really loved it I thought it was great and the ending of Night of the Living Dead and how that relates back to Get Out and oh my god this is one of the parts that made me cry Jordan Peele talks about his choice for the ending of Get dead and how that relates back to get out and oh my god this is one of the parts that made me cry

Jordan Peele talks about his choice for the ending of get out and I guess I'll spoil it I'm sorry if people haven't seen get out I guess maybe one day we'll do it spoiler alert it's okay just fast forward fast forward like 30 seconds

if you don't want to hear what happens at the end of get out that he had originally wanted Chris is the character name to go to jail for the cops to show up and for it to really be the cops and then just was like you know what the world doesn't need that in this moment

this character doesn't need that and such a deliberate choice to not let him be another black man who is put down by the system in that and and the such a deliberate choice to to like not let him be another black man who is um put down by the system in that way and his fucking friend gets to come and save him and like how hugely cathartic that was um and that in that movie one of the um i believe she was an author i don't remember her name was talking about how what an experience it was to be in the theaters at that movie and having white people root for the black lead and how that happens in reverse all the time. And we never even think I mean, like white people never even think about it because that's just what normal is. Right. But how that is really hugely important to make that change.

And maybe very much. I also loved Jordan Peele said how there's no good white people in the movie. Our expectation is like, well, at least there will be one good. Right. And he uses it. He uses it against audiences. Oh yeah. Oh God.

It's so good. There are no good white people in that movie. It is true. But yeah, listeners, we just really recommend this documentary um i also loved how it like goes through all the tropes of black black characters and horror like you know there's always the joke of the black guy dies first and it dives into that it dies into dives into like black people being the sacrificial friend and how fucked up that is and how that's like somewhat similar I feel like to the black

character dying first or the way that they die because it's like it's all about them being in service of the white character and yeah I don't I have never unpacked that yeah yeah yeah it was really really good I really like it and honestly also

it just made me want to watch all these movies yeah that i i'm like embarrassed to admit but i hadn't heard of a lot of them i have i have seen quite a few of them but there were many that i haven't and yeah they just all looked so great and i definitely we added some to our list listeners so expect some of these some of these attack the block get out I don't know maybe oh I do love attack the block that was one that I've seen in it fucking rules

Candyman Candyman looks really scary we watched the trailer for the new Candyman which is also directed by a woman I didn't realize until I looked it up and it looks so good and scary very very very very it's gonna be scary um yeah lots of exciting movies on the list now and um it does feel like representation is getting

better but we still got a long way to go and it's it's also just it's so so so deeply important and as a white person you don't understand how important it is because we take it for granted because it's all around us yeah yeah the expectation that that white is normal and anything else is the deviation um or like special in some way or different in some way and we're so used to everyone on screen looks like us as white people right um and that's just now what the world looks like. And another thing that I found so interesting too was how it kind of showed how basically

and this is something I've been thinking about how white people are so fucking desperate to be the good guy when more times than not we are the bad guy. And so it's like we're and how that is paralleled in horror and like Indian burial grounds and that's where the horror is coming from like we're always projecting our horror onto the actual things

that are yeah like why is your suburban house on top if that's the if that's the case like why is that the the evil then like you built your neighborhood over someone else's land. Yeah, I thought that was fascinating, too. Well, and also how we are so deeply influenced by the things that we see and the things that we consume. And from the birth of a nation, it just starts and continues this myth making, this myth making about who black people are and how they relate to us, to white people. And like, it's all a fucking myth and it's all a lie.

Right. And it's so insane that it's treated like truth. And we all ingest it. Right. White people, black people, everyone is ingesting this false narrative and it is so destructive on so many levels. Aside from the fact that it's just fucking false and was created intentionally by people to achieve a certain end.

And that's exactly why representation on a large scale is so important because no group of people are one identity. And so when you only have a handful of things to look at as seeing yourself on screen, seeing people who look like you, you feel like your options are limited or that you can only be those things. And that's just not how any person functions. You're not one set of adjectives. Right. Listeners, watch the doc it is streaming on Shudder I guess probably not everybody has Shudder you can do a free trial

on Amazon Prime you can do a free trial on Amazon and then just you know remember to cancel it because Amazon doesn't need more of your money um which is what I did it's an hour 20 minutes brief little thing Nice doc

Yeah it goes by really fast And yeah we just wanted to highlight Some of these great films that I talked about So this week's film is Eve's Bayou It was directed by Casey Lemons Written and directed Excuse me Starring Journey Smollett Megan Megan Good, Lynn Whitfield,

Debbie Morgan, and Samuel L. Jackson. And this one's streaming on HBO. So watch this one too. Oh my gosh. Listeners, I will. I highly recommend it. It is not too scary. There are some real life scary elements in it for sure.

That's the scariest for me. That's true. But it's also just like very beautiful and it's like poetic and the cinematography is gorgeous. It's very like slow and thoughtful. Some of the dialogue is just like poetry and I was like I'm gonna

botch this telling because it's like this really beautiful film and I'm just. Hey guys don't take Sammy's word this really beautiful film and i'm just hey guys don't take sammy's word for it uh yeah so i'm just gonna really encourage you guys to go watch it afterwards because i'm not gonna do it justice but it was great it's cocktail time y'all this week we're doing a sazerak which was originally invented in the 19th century in New Orleans. The ingredients you will need are two and a half ounces of rye whiskey, one sugar cube, two dashes Peychaud's bitters, one dash Angostura bitters, absinthe, and a lemon peel.

In an old-fashioned glass, muddle a sugar cube with a few drops of water. Then add some ice cubes and your two and a half ounces of rye whiskey. Put in the two dashes of Peychaud's bitters and then one dash of Angostura bitters and stir well. In a second glass, roll a few drops of absinthe around the bottom until its inside is thoroughly coated. Pour off the excess. Strain the contents of the first glass into the second, and then garnish with a lemon peel. You're all set.

Cheers. There's not a ton of trivia on this movie, but basically everything I looked up was saying that this movie is incredible. And one weird bit of trivia, and I don't know, I wonder now Sammy, maybe you have the answer having seen the movie Casey Lemons, the director Her cut differed

Very much with the theatrical cut They released and apparently the theatrical cut Eliminated a Full main character? Yes, and I will tell you More about it at the end Okay, tell us about it at the end But man, that actor must have been really upset. Yeah, that's very unfortunate.

Because also it's not like you, as a side character, you expect you could get cut. But as a main character, you'd be like, wait, what? I really was in that movie. Where did I go? Yeah, that would be devastating. I watched an interview with her where

she said it was devastating all around. She was devastated and it was not she was not happy about that decision. And she has come to love both versions. But yeah, the the one that we watched or that I watched is not her original cut. Can you even see her cut anywhere? I'm not sure, actually. I don't have any trivia for this. Sorry, guys. I just I have that. The budget was three million. And we love a budget number.

It went on to make 14 million, which was unexpectedly high. And they say it got quite a boost from Roger Ebert named it the best film of 1997 and he said he went and saw it I think four times in theaters and he just praised it he said if it doesn't get nominated for an Oscar they're not

paying attention like he just sung its praises so much that it got a big boost at the box office did it get nominated for an Oscar I honestly I hadn't even heard of this movie I sung its praises so much that it got a big boost at the box office. Did it get nominated for an Oscar? I honestly, I hadn't even heard of this movie. Had you guys heard of this movie? I had not heard of it, no. I had not heard of it. Crazy

that a movie can be named like the best movie of the year. I guess only Roger Ebert was saying it, but still, you know, it's him and never even heard of it. It did not get nominated for an Oscar. So they obviously... I mean, we know the Oscars are notoriously... Whitewashed.

...bad at choosing the right films. Not a lot of Oscar fans on this podcast. No. And then another thing is that Journey Smollett plays Eve. She's a little girl. She's 10 in it. She's so good. And her little brother is played by her actual brother. Kind of fun. That is fun. They're a whole actor family. Yeah, there's a bunch of them. I loved... What happened to her? I feel like she was...

She was just in Birds of Prey. Oh, she was? Mm-hmm. Has she been in other things? All I can think of is the movie from Schitt's Creek that Moira does, The Crows Have Eyes or something. Yeah, The Crows Have Eyes. That's what it made me think of. That was honestly some really just beautiful storytelling the crows have eyes those

episode where she's um perfect what is it like the crow scientist or something she's a yeah she's a scientist who gets like turned into a crow or something i don't know anyway anyway memory is a selection of images. Some elusive. Others printed indelibly on the brain. Daddy loves you so much. I know. We'll dance at every party.

Each image is like a thread. Each thread woven together to make a tapestry of intricate texture. The summer I killed my father I was 10 years old. I saw daddy. What? Daddy and Mrs. Moreau. Don't get lost! What's wrong with her?

Oh, she'll be alright. You speak to my wife, Rebecca, and I will kill you. Oh, God. Daddy! Bad girl! I hate you! I hate you! I hate you! I hate you! I hate you! I hate you! You speak to my wife again, and I will kill you.

Oh, God. No! Daddy! Bad girl! I can't eat it! No! Speak to her! Daddy!

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we're not sure what kind of stylized and then we get some vo that says memory is a selection of images some elusive others painted indelibly on the brain i wrote that down because I was like this beautiful. And so and then she says, we realize this is our protagonist speaking. She says, the summer I killed my father, I was 10 years old. Great. Great. What an opening opening so far. She says her brother was nine. Her sister was 14. And she says the town we lived in was named after a slave. It was said that when General John Paul Batiste was stricken with cholera, his wife was his life was saved by the powerful medicine of an African slave woman called Eve. In return for his life, he freed her and gave her this piece of land by the bayou.

In return for his life, he freed her and gave her this piece of land by the bayou. Perhaps in gratitude, she bore him 16 children. We are the descendants of Eve and John Paul Baptiste. I was named for her. Wow, that's a lot to unpack. Oh, 16 children. Yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot of human life. We cut to, it's this big kind of a big beautiful house they're having a party

um everyone's dancing we're getting some looks at eve kind of running around the house she's 10 she's cute she's kind of a kind of troublemaker e and we see her brother her her mom, and her dad. Her dad is Samuel L. Jackson. His name's Louis. The mom is named Roz. Her sister's name is Cicely, and her brother's name is Poe. person we're getting a close-up of and she's dancing kind of scandalously and kind of turning heads and everyone's like, ooh, Miss Moreau. Yeah, like she's at it again. There's some comments about her. So this, what

year would this have been then when Eve is 10? It's sometime in the 60s. I don't think it says the exact year. Oh, okay. So the flashback is she's a kid in the 60s. Sorry, there's no flashback ever. She's just talking about the past. Right, right, right. But we're always seeing the 60s.

Yes, yes, yes. Okay, okay. I see. Yeah, okay. And so Eve is kind of watching the goings on at the party. Her dad's getting a little drunk, kind of dancing with Miss Moreau. And then also dancing with his other daughter, Cicely. And Eve looks a little jealous, like she's being left out at this party. No one's really paying attention to her. So she gets a little sad and she goes out into um kind of a shed type place he's kind of looking around in there finds a little pillow and falls asleep and um she wakes up to some noises later on and her dad comes in and is with Miss Monroe and they start having sex.

Oh, no. How old is Miss Monroe around? Monroe. She they're they're all like probably in their 40s. For some reason, when you were describing Miss Moreau, I immediately imagined a 75-year-old woman. The name does sound... It's a different kind of movie.

But then you said she was dancing scantily, so I don't know why I continued to think that, but whatever. Just a 75-year-old minx. Hell yeah, why not? You can be hot forever. I'll be hot forever, I know that I'll be hot forever

Yeah, we all know that We probably thought that, Henley, because you know that we're all going to be very hot Forever You were confusing her with us In the future I can't help it And Eve Journey Smollett is so

Good in this, I gotta say I feel like the 90ss were a time where there weren't a ton of great child actors. And she is fantastic. So she starts having kind of a full blown. She's frozen and just has a full blown panic attack. And so he her father hears her and turns around and she's just like, and she kind of is apologizing. Like, I'm sorry, I fell asleep. And he's very cool and like calms her down. And he's like, it's OK.

It's OK. Like, don't worry. I'll take you up to bed. Like, I was just out here trying to help Miss Moreau find something kind of, you know. Pretending like it didn't happen. Yeah. Miss Moreau kind of gives him some like a kind of a dirty look. Like she's annoyed, but she leaves and he takes Eve out.

They go and sit in front of the house while everyone's still inside having their party. And she asks him, do you still love mom? And he says, I'll always love your mom. She's like the most beautiful woman I've ever seen. And I'll always love you. And she says, well, why don't you dance with me? You only dance with Cicely. And he's like, what do you mean?

And she's like, every party, like you're all it's like you're embarrassed of me and you only want to dance with Cicely. Cicely is very beautiful, by the way. She's played by Megan Good. She's stunning. So Cicely and she's like 14. So she's like like becoming a woman and dressed like very proper. And so that's kind of the dynamic as she's she's becoming a woman and dressed like very proper and so that's kind of the dynamic as she's she's becoming a woman eve is still a girl and so she feels like cicely's getting all this attention and she's not and so her dad says like oh honey like i'll like i promise i'll dance with you at

every party we have from now on oh she's getting a pretty twisted idea of what love means. Then her mom comes out, Roz, and sends Eve up to bed. And Louis, her dad, did a pretty good job kind of comforting her and bringing her back down to, I don't know, feeling okay about everything. And she kind of runs back, runs upstairs to go to bed, kind of smiling again, and goes up to her sister. They share a room, her and her sister, and Cicely's getting ready for bed. And when she sees her, she's like, where have you been? She's like, oh, i fell asleep in the shed and she's like oh my god you were down there forever and then eve bursts into tears and tells her i saw uh daddy with miss moreau and they were they were kissing and they were taking each other's clothes off and cicely gets pissed she's not at she gets

pissed at eve and she says no you didn't see that you saw him trying to you know help her find something and it uh casey lemons does this in a really cool way where she basically takes her back to this to the to where it happened and replays it as she wants her to believe it so we're seeing sam we're seeing it all happen again and this time it's the story that cicely is telling her and so there's a lot of this kind of how memory is tricky. And you can in these instances or in many instances, like, trick yourself into believing something different happened. That's kind of a theme throughout is memory. When I think about that, it really starts to drive me crazy. It's scary, right? It is really wild how much that is true.

Yeah. Yeah. And you can insist upon something having happened, but probably you're wrong. Yeah. Memory is really fallible. And it's, yeah, this movie just does a really good job of showing that in these really poignant ways. It feels suspicious that Cicely reacts this way so quickly and has the exact same lie that the dad has. Are we immediately suspicious?

This maybe is not the first time this has happened. Right. Yeah. Or does it feel like Cicely's just trying to defend the dad in an innocent way? I think it... Not that she's not innocent but like there's not anything else going on besides just her being I think we

kind of get the idea that maybe the dad has not been very careful about hiding this kind of behavior in the past and so maybe she has told herself these stories before I think that's kind of the idea that we're getting.

She's really upset to have to. She doesn't want her own vision of her father shattered. And that's maybe where the anger is coming from. And I think, you know, doesn't want their parents relationship to be in jeopardy. And so I think you do kind of spin stories to preserve your your perfect childhood. It's like you have parents that you want to believe love each other. We all do that in relationships all the time. OK, so then end of the party.

Everyone's everyone's going home. We see outside Roz and Lewis saying goodbye to all the guests. Kind of they're they're two best friends. Roz and Lewis saying goodbye to all the guests. Kind of their two best friends, I think we presume, are leaving. And one of them is named Harry. It's Harry and his wife. I can't remember the wife's name. But Harry's pretty drunk and demanding to drive.

And the wife is like, no, I'm sober. I'll drive. And they get in like a little fist fight. Lewis and Harry, like a minor one because he's pretty drunk. But so eventually the wife drives and as they're driving away, Eve is in her bedroom and has a dream that we see the same kind of black and white flashes of images that we saw in the opening, kind of that same style. And we see Harry die in a car accident. And she wakes up in the morning and Harry has died in a car accident.

Wow. Wow. So she can. So the implication, obviously, is that she has some kind of like sight. Yeah. And I'm so sorry i messed this up but um harry the people who were leaving were um um lewis's sister aunt mozelle and her husband was harry and so so it was her uncle who dies it was her uncle who dies. It was her uncle. And after this happens, Aunt Moselle comes to stay with them. And we learn that she now has three husbands that have died. This was her third husband.

Uh-huh. And she is very sad. Yeah. And she has a sight also. She has some psychic abilities. And while she is staying with them, she is having customers basically come to the house. They pay her to tell them, answer questions for them. And she does it by holding their hands and then

she'll get visions of whatever they're asking about so a woman comes and says i haven't seen my son in so and so long and she touches her hands and she sees a man doing drugs and she's like he's alive don't worry he's alive here's he's somewhere here he's he's on drugs and the woman is really relieved because she thought he was dead which is we should point out just a trope that they talk about in horror noir with black characters in horror movies and just movies in general of them being like some someone who is wise and can give this kind of supernatural advice to the white protagonist voodoo there is voodoo in here as well um in this we see some of eve's relationship with aunt moselle and she really looks up to her they're very close um she kind of admires her and is like peeking in on these sessions that she's having with the clients and really fascinated by it.

Sorry, quick question. Is Eve aware that she at all freaked out that she had a dream that he died and then he did die? Is this the first time it's happened? Do we know? I think she is aware. I don't think she's too freaked out i don't think it is the first time that it's happened um but she doesn't seem like she has told anyone really yet but somewhere in here they do say like the site runs in our family in our blood then eve goes

with her dad so lewis is a doctor and he does house calls and goes house to house checking on patients and she kind of follows him to each place um and on the third patient it's this beautiful woman who's like hi hello doctor i was gonna say really really great excuse for a man who was looking for opportunities to sleep with women. Yeah. And he's in the room with Eve, his 10 year old daughter. And she's like, well, let's go, daddy. And the woman is like, well, doctor, didn't you have that one thing that you could prescribe for me? And oh, God, he's he's like oh that's right like give us a second eve and like closes the door on her and so he is not being discreet at all wow quite awful

why bring your daughter with you just don't just don't bring your daughter with you and then we see Roz and Moselle going on a walk and kind of get the impression that Roz knows what's happening you would you absolutely would at this point you can tell you know both your daughters know

it's literally happening seemingly every day of his life I think you know. And so they're going on a walk and then they end up at this little kind of marketplace. And there is a fortune teller at the marketplace. And her and Moselle kind of give each other a look like they don't like each other. I'm like, they're like competition, yeah, competing fortune tellers type of thing. And

Roz is like, I'm going to do it. I'm going to get my fortune read. And she goes... Wow, that's very rude to her. I know. Yeah, she goes up and the woman tells her, in three years' time you will be happy again.

Can you imagine a fortune teller telling you that at least it would be validation for the fact that i'm not feeling happy right now yeah i mean she's not i will at some point she's not she's not happy so she's she is correct um and then she says in the meantime look to your children she's like, what the fuck does that mean? She just like says it a few times like, look to your children. See, that's when I would then turn to my sister and

like, okay, now you go. You do me one better. What do you see? I'm getting, I don't know whether I've just like watched too many Law and Order SVU, but I feel like I'm getting, I don't know whether I've just, like, watched too many Law & Order SVU, but I feel like I'm getting, like, also some creepy, like, sexual

vibes with the dad and the two daughters. I mean. Like, I feel like it's like there's something else going on. I don't feel great about it. I don't feel great about him dancing with his pretty daughter. Yeah. Yeah. And so Roz is kind of upset after her reading and it piques Moselle's interest.

And Moselle goes to also get a reading. So she sits down and they're kind of giving each other attitude. And the fortune teller says to her, you're a black widow. And the next man you meet will also die. Like every man you ever marry is gonna die. You're the problem type of thing. I mean, I have to say, three in a row. That is

fucked up though. That is not a nice thing to say to someone else. It's not nice. It's absolutely not nice. That is not nice. It's not a nice thing to say to someone. Whether or not it's true it is certainly unkind can you imagine if that's how i went around the world just constantly pointing out the not nice things that people say it would be i would be relentless i would not have anything else to do

that's not nice well that wasn't very nice that wasn't nice that wasn't very nice hey when you're right you're right um so uh so then she storms off so now both of them are a little irritated after this interaction and as she's walking away mozelle like pauses and has a vision. We get the same quick black and white flashes of a child being hit by a bus. And then she faints. Oh, no. And so after they get her back up, they get her back to the house. She tells Roz what she saw. And Roz is like, OK, the woman was telling me, look out for my children.

You just had this vision. I'm not taking any chances. The children are not allowed to leave the house for the rest of the summer. Whoa. Okay. And always the right response. Because, you know, buses only operate during the summer. Yeah.

I mean, I guess it just is summer. So she's. Felt immediate. Yeah, she's just like, everyone's staying in the house right now, and time is passing. We're getting, like, they've been in there for a while now. They're not happy about it. They're throwing fits.

Eve starts cussing. She's, like, getting real rambunctious and angry and really tired of being inside. There's something I love about the choice to say cuss instead of curse. Cussing? There's something that like is so specific about cussing. Cussing, not cursing.

Like a kid cusses. I've never thought about that. I'm going to cuss. That's funny. Like adults don't cuss. You can't cuss as an adult. That's true. I've never thought about that. I'm going to cuss. That's funny. Like adults don't cuss. You can't cuss as an adult. That's true. I've never thought about that.

That's really funny. I just. She does. She cusses. It really struck me. She cusses because she's a kid. And of course, in this time, Lewis has gone a lot. Gone for work late into the night.

All those evening doctor visits. Oh, it's constant. It's constant doctor visits. This is a night-ailed town. This town is so sick. Okay, so then Eve and Moselle are up in Moselle's room. Eve and Moselle are up in Moselle's room and

Eve is asking about her past husbands and she says you know which I think she asks her which one did you love the most and she says I loved Maynard

the most it's funny to also have an answer to that I guess they're not children. You would have an answer, right? If you've been married three times, I feel like it's not the same as like... Yeah, that's one you're probably allowed to answer. But she loved Maynard the most and then she tells

how Maynard died, which is that she was also having an affair. And I think that's actually part of the way this conversation starts. She says to Eve, like, your father and I aren't so different. He's just not as secretive as I like. I was just better at not getting caught.

So she was having an affair with a man named Hosea. So she was having an affair with a man named Hosea. Then again, Casey Lemons does this great thing where they're looking into a mirror and in the mirror we see the flashback play out. And so we're seeing at both times in just one shot, Moselle and Eve, like their expressions as they're watching this happen and the thing happened it's really cool cool and we see that basically hosea came with a gun to her house and said i like i'm in love with your wife she's in love with me and we're leaving and she said in that and he like um maynard walks up to him presses his chest against the barrel of the gun and he's like you're gonna have to kill me because she like is my life and i love her more than anything and she was like in that in that moment i realized like i loved him

the most and i didn't want to go what a bad moment to realize it. Oh, what a bad moment. Too late. And she decides to stand by his side and she's like, no, I'm not leaving with you. Which I think is not the right move in a gun pointed at his chest situation. Seems like she made a lot of mistakes here. Yeah, and so she ends up

staying by his side and saying, I love him and I'm sorry I'm not leaving him. And Hosea kills him. Holy shit. Yeah. Fuck. Yikes. That's dark. Yeah.

Okay. And so now the summer is passing. They've been cooped up in there for a while. the summer is passing they've been cooped up in there for a while and then one morning Roz is waking wakes up and is like where is Cicely she's not here she's not here and freaks out um and Cicely walks in the front door and says very defiantly like oh i went out to town i crossed the train tracks i crossed all the streets and guess what i'm still alive like she's trying to like prove that the curse isn't real or whatever the visions were weren't real and roz slaps her across the face is like don't you dare do that to me ever again. Like you're not leaving the house the rest of the summer.

You're grounded again. But then they have a very nice chat a bit later where she says, you know, I'm your mom. It's my job to protect you. I love you more than anything in the world. When you were gone, I was so afraid. I just don't want to protect you like i love you more than anything in the world and when you were gone i was so afraid and i just don't want to lose you and i know this is you know not ideal and i know it's weird but i just like i just love you so much and that's why this is happening and and then they hug and it's nice and it's sweet again so they've they've made amends. Aww. And I really like this part. And so, okay, Moselle the whole time is, like, allowed to come and go as she pleases because she is an adult and she's the one that had the vision.

So she's not going to get hit by a bus. out doing her errands or whatever and she hears a bus screech to a halt and hits someone and runs up panicked. Who is that? Sees that it's a little stranger boy

and just starts smiling so big and runs home and they all start cheering and dancing oh no it's not even a moment of feeling sad for that little boy that got hit by a bus it's so funny that's really funny and they're just so excited so they're they immediately run outside playing on the grass everything is back to normal and we're having a great, great time.

Oh, my God. Sounds fun to me. What a fun summer so far. Sounding suspiciously like 2020. Locked inside. Nothing bad could happen to us. Somebody else got hit by a bus. We're fine over here.

2020. Nothing bad could happen to us Somebody else got hit by a bus We're fine over here 2020 So A few days later Eve goes upstairs Cicely is in her bed in the daytime Kind of Curled up Looking upset And she goes up to her And she's like why are you being weird what are

you doing like what's up and kind of tries to pull her out of bed like come play with me type thing and sis is like leave me alone leave me alone and eventually eve i don't i don't quite understand understand the mechanics but eve finds i guess um a pad and so she immediately starts like screaming cicely got her period cicely got her period she's like just because you got your period doesn't mean you have to be a big baby now like and and cicely freaks out. I'm just waiting. Just wait. Cicely freaks out, jumps out of bed, chases her downstairs, chases her into the garden and starts like wailing on her. She's got her period. She's got her period. It's not a normal thing. It is bad.

Periods are tough. Periods are tough. They just are tough. We shouldn't act like everything's fine and we're on our periods because things aren't fine. No. I feel like there should be time off for periods. Why isn't there? Because it happens to women. That's literally the answer.

Because they only happen to women, we should say. Also, they're happening to 50% of the population once a month for a week. It's happening constantly. It's happening constantly. It's kind of like never not happening. You never know how many people in your lives are currently on their period. It's a lot. But it's a lot.

It's a lot. All women are dealing with it all the time. And they have to act like they're not on their periods. They have to act like that. So you could easily, quite easily make the argument that women are better at controlling their emotions than men are. One could quite easily make that argument, yes.

Quite easily, quite easily. But here she's letting her emotions fly and she is really taking it out Yes. Quite easily. Quite easily. But here she's letting her emotions fly. And she is really taking it out on her little sister. And Moselle and Roz come running out. What the heck's going on? Pull her off of her. And they're like, I don't know what happened.

She just lost it. She was wailing on her. And dad comes home. And Roz says to him, she started her period and she didn't even tell me. Did she tell you? And he says, no. But he's like, it's OK. Like, it's a normal thing.

He's like, I'm a doctor. I'm a real doctor. I promise. I'm 100% a real doctor. With real patients. And that's what I do every day. That's where I am most of the time. Doctoring. For real.

Being a doctor. He goes up to try to talk to her. What's up? Like, why? Did you hit your sister? Are you okay? Like, can I get you something? She doesn't want to talk to him.

She's like, leave me alone. Don't touch me. And he's like, I can get you a woman doctor if you would prefer. And I think she says yes. And then later they are having a conversation with her downstairs, mom and dad and Cicely. And I think they actually have they they they have a her see a psychiatrist. And. Whoa.

What? I don't know. Hi. psychiatrist and whoa what i don't know why and they say that the doctor told us that you might need some sort of vacation from us and we would never make you do that but if that's something that you would like like we'll of course do that for. And she's kind of catatonic. She is. Okay. Excuse me. They got, again, messed it up.

They get a psychiatrist for her because she's kind of stopped speaking for, I believe, two weeks. Okay. One week longer than a period. The math doesn't add up. So it is alarming. If you're quiet for just your period, that's fine. Sometimes you need to be quiet for the length of your period. And that's fine, and we accept that.

If it goes beyond that week, well, we're concerned. Yeah. So she gets her period. She hits Eve a bunch in the garden. Her dad asks, hey, you want a female doctor? And she's like, not speaking. Yeah. And then two weeks go by and they get her a psychiatrist. Yes. And then they say, hey, maybe you need a vacation from your family, which is code for we're going to put you in a mental hospital. I I don't know. Yeah, maybe. That's what it sounds like. We don't ever see where she goes, but they do take her away. That's interesting.

I'm not positive, but it is strange, but it is a voluntary thing. And she says, I want to go. I wonder what she told her therapist. Well, they called it a vacation. That sounds fun. I'll take a vacation for my parents. I'm 14. Are you kidding me? Yeah, I'll take a vacation for my parents. I'm 14. Are you kidding me? Yeah, I'll take a vacation

for my parents. Especially when my mom forced me to stay inside for most of the summer. Yeah, I need a break. So she decides she's going to go and Eve is so upset. So as she's

packing her bags, she says she's crying to her. says cicely tell me what's wrong like what's wrong with you why haven't you been talking why are you leaving like just tell me what's wrong and like she's she's so devastated and this performance is really really heartbreaking heartbreaking and cicely says something like um mom knows about miss moreau and she says everybody knows the whole town knows like it like we're a joke basically and she's upset about it and eve says so you believe me now about what i saw in the shed? And Sisley says, I believed you then too. Like I knew you were telling the truth. Oh, it's really sad.

And she says, well, will you tell me like what's going on with you? Like, why have you been so sad? And she says, you remember the night of the party? Now mom and dad got in that fight. Um, and dad was like downstairs drunk by himself. And so I went to go comfort him and like give. And so now we're seeing like it happen. And she goes and is like rubbing her dad's shoulders and sits on his lap.

And then they like kiss on the lips they get they've kissed on the lips before like a peck and then the dad goes in for a real kiss and she pulls away and kind of is very startled and he slaps her and she falls to the floor and she's describing this to eve saying you know he was kissing me and rubbing me and then he hit me and then we go back to um eve who is livid and she's like bubbling with rage and she's like I'll kill him Cicely like I want to kill him and it's really really intense

and sad oh my god and then the next morning Cicely gets taken away in that car going on her vacation and after she leaves eve is on the porch with moselle kind of looking out into the night and this is a scene where the dialogue is really really good and i'm not gonna even attempt any of it because it's just it's too beautiful and i don't remember

it but she basically ends the conversation by, can you kill someone with voodoo? She's asking Moselle. And Moselle kind of raises her eyebrow and she's like, why are you asking me that? But it's kind of making a joke about it. Like, I don't know, maybe you get a voodoo doll. And then she gets a little more, she sees that Eve is actually kind of serious. And so then she's like, tell me what's going on.

What's going on with you? Why are you asking me this? She says, give me your hands. Like, show me what's happening. And she lays her hands in her palms and immediately Moselle pulls her hands away kind of looking shocked and it's like fine keep it to yourself then like she can't see well eve's powerful too but then as she's as she's kind of turning away she's like you can't kill anyone

with voodoo that's ridiculous like get that thought out of your head type of thing that means you can definitely kill someone i think it means yeah it is not ridiculous so then the next day eve goes to the same market that they saw the fortune teller at and um she runs into mrs moreau's husband mr moreau and he says how they like have a little chat and he's like oh i've been out of town for work so much and he she said she kind of antagonizes him a bit and she says oh that must get really lonely and he's like yeah it is lonely sometimes and she's like my mom's really lonely too a lot of the time and then she says not like my dad and not like your wife they're not lonely that like she she's basically without saying it being like your wife's fucking my dad. Whoa.

And then kind of saunters off. And he's, you see the like cogs turning in his head like, what the fuck? Did a 10 year old just tell me my wife's cheating on me? At the market? Yeah. God. and then she sees uh the fortune teller woman and goes up to her and says i need your help with something i need your help making a voodoo doll i need to kill somebody and the woman's like well do you have money and she has a twenty dollar bill that she stole from her parents and

so she's like yep and the lady's like all right great let's go and twenty dollars is all it takes well everyone else has been paying her one dollar so this is a big the woman's house and she uh eve has brought with her a lock of her father's hair from his comb because she knows that that's something that you need shit and she's like okay um you are you sure you sure you want to kill this person? And she's like, yep, I'm sure. But she's thinking she's going to get a little voodoo doll. She gives her the hair and then she leaves. She's like, great.

Thank you so much. Thanks so much. Thank you so much for helping me kill my dad. Hope my dad dies. And thank you. Goodbye. And then that night she has a voodoo doll in her bed and she is stabbing it with a needle over and over. And she sees her dad come home prancing in, not injured at all from her voodoo that she's been practicing.

And she's really frustrated. And she runs out the door it's nighttime now and she runs back to the old woman's house and bangs on the door and she's like when are you gonna get me that voodoo doll that works like this is like i need it and she's like voodoo doll like i'm not making you a voodoo doll you wanted me to kill someone for you and she's like what do you mean and she's like I did a ritual and I buried his hair in the river

and he'll be dead by tomorrow and like I already did it and Eve is so scared and she says that's not what you were supposed to do I thought I was going to get a voodoo doll like I wanted to

do it I wanted to be the one and where can I go dig it up and she's like you'll never find it it just was like I just buried hair somewhere in a river like you're not going to find it and I just buried some hair

and what are you trying to get? Girl, what? It's nighttime. We're trying to find hair in the dirt. Come on. And Eve is panicked. She's like, oh, fuck. How do I basically undo this? do this and she goes and runs to the town

bar and bursts inside and her dad is there with Mrs. Moreau and they're at the bar being handsy with each other. She walks up and says, Dad, we gotta

go home. Can we go home? Again, Mrs. Moreau is looking really irked I'm trying to have an affair I'm trying to have an affair with your father twice you've gotten in the way twice

and the bartender says like I think you're busted Louis and like it's all just a huge, funny joke. Your daughter is seeing you cheat on her mom. That is fun for everybody involved. And so eventually, Lewis is like, OK, OK, honey, wait for me outside. I'm going to finish up. I'll be out there in a second.

is like okay okay honey wait for me outside i'm gonna finish up i'll be out there in a second so she goes outside and we see a man walking up the train tracks kind of a silhouette of a man looking kind of scary and she looks at him and then he gets closer and she's like oh mr moreau hi and he just walks right past her quickly into the bar and she's like oh fuck follows him in there and mr moreau see he's still being lewis is still being very handsy with mrs they're all over each other and they like quickly kind of pull away but also lewis isn't too he doesn't look too concerned he's kind they like quickly kind of pull away but also Lewis isn't too he doesn't look too concerned he's kind of an asshole we get that right yeah this guy

yeah he doesn't feel nothing is hitting him I would say he is unkind that's not nice what he's doing it's not nice what he's doing and Henley would tell him straight up that's not a nice thing to say to someone else it's not nice it's not nice what he's doing. And Henley would tell him straight up. I'd say that's not a nice thing to say to someone else. It's not nice.

It's not nice. And so Mr. Moreau walks up to them and says, get your hands off my wife. We're going home. Honey, we're going home. And you are never seeing each other ever again. And Lewis kind of smirks at him he's like hey we're not doing anything man like just settle down

like it's fine and he's like alright alright like whatever and closes up his tab or whatever they walk out and then outside Mr. Moreau pulls out a gun.

And Lewis is with Eve at his side. And he's like, okay, man, like, relax. And he says, if you ever talk to my wife again, I'll kill you. And he's like, okay. And then he says bye mrs moreau and he turns around and he shoots him oh my god and kills him wow what a fucking dumbass the fucking ego yeah yeah just ego nothing can touch him yep okay so then we go to the funeral and um cicely is crying so hard um and it's really tough to watch. She eventually has to be carried like, what do you call carrying someone? She's like carried like a child out of. Like cradle style?

Yeah, like cradle carried out of the funeral, which I don't know, seeing a 14 year old girl carried like a little child was really sad. Heartbreaking. And Eve is crying a lot as well and as cicely is being carried away eve glances the other direction and sees the fortune teller woman kind of evil smiling in the background and then the woman like moves behind another headstone and is out of sight and we don't know the cool thing is we don't know

if she cursed him or if it you know this is something that Eve set into motion and so it's I don't know it's kind of fun that it's not necessarily that she had a curse because also the fortune teller kind of had a little smirk on her face

the whole time like maybe she's just fucking with the little girl trying to teach her a lesson by saying that she'll do this curse right but so Eve doesn't know what happened and you know may feel responsible well will feel responsible for her

father's death for the rest of her life the opening of the movie considering the opening line yeah i killed my father when i was 10 years old um so it's very emotional and a few days later eve is in her father's study, kind of going through his things. And she finds a letter from him to Moselle that says, I can't believe you would accuse me of such a thing. Like, I'm a lot of things, but I'm not that. Like, I'll admit to all of my wrongdoings but here's what happened that night and we go back again as an audience and see cicely putting her hands on her father's shoulders giving him shoulder rub, then going to sit on his lap again.

They have one innocent kiss and then Cicely leans in and tries to kiss her dad. And then the same thing happens where the dad gets startled and slaps her. And in the letter he's saying, like, I was drunk and I was so shocked

that she was doing that. And I just reacted. And I wish so badly I could go back to that moment and talk to her about the emotions she was feeling and make her feel like it wasn't, like she wasn't bad for feeling any way. we would talk through it and Eve is reading this letter and storms out of the house with the letter in her hand goes and finds Cicely who is sitting in the garden and screams at her you lied you lied you lied about daddy and throws the letter at her and says this is what happened. And Eve's like, tell me what happened. Like, I just need to know what happened.

And Cicely says, I don't know what happened. And Eve says, give me your hands. And they lay their hands on top of each other. And we see a few flashes and we just see the kiss happen and the slap happen. And it's not clear who did what. And like Cicely's crying and she's like, I really don't know. Like, I don't know what happened. And they take the letter and throw it into the river.

And Cicely is sobbing. And Eve is like comforting her. And she's like, it's okay. It's okay. And they're just holding each other. I know it's so heartbreaking. Jesus. and then we get another

beautiful kind of ending monologue where she says like others before me I have the gift of sight but the truth changes color depending on the light and then says the line about

memories again and it ends with them, the sisters holding hands, looking out at the river. And that's the end. Oh, wow. Wow. That was sad. It's really sad. And it is

it is, you know, I left it being like this isn't, it wasn't scary but it's scary in such a real way memory is scary and i mean trauma and these things that your brain is able to block out and we so deep deeply want everything to make sense and to find a narrative and and yeah the answer just, you don't, it doesn't work that way. And, oh God, I love the choice that even though she has sight,

she still can't see the why, right? She just sees those same images that we already know are true. Right. Yeah. So the implication though is obviously that Cicely told moselle that this happened um she told her it happened in a certain way or moselle read it through her hands yeah

and i could have seen it yeah i guess that's true moselle could have seen it but then wouldn't that just oh yeah that would negate the ending then yeah no i think you're probably right i think she probably did confide in her. But yes, the implication is that Moselle knew about it. She might have seen it at the... Oh, she wasn't at the party. She might have seen something from across the party. Right. Yeah, we don't know.

We don't know. Well, I feel like the way Cicely reacted makes me feel like it was definitely not something she initiated just the fact that she goes like catatonic for two weeks yeah i don't know uh when he was dancing with her and she and also i feel like there was something, even just in her own brain of being the beautiful almost woman, older daughter who was

praised for that. Right. Got attention for it. I grew up without a dad, but that is a thing, right? That like girls love their dads, love their daddies and that is kind of who you model your partner after. So I don't know

enough about the father-daughter relationship to fully speak on it but i feel like that's kind of a thing that happens right is like you your first like idea of what a romantic relationship should be is by looking at your parent of the opposite sex and same thing with sons and mothers. Is this too weird? Should I not be saying this? Sammy, this is too weird. I feel like that is like a psychology thing, right? It's like a psychology 101. Yeah, that's like a basic psychology. But also, you know, I think that it's different for everyone to a certain degree.

I just think at the end of the day no matter what there is a problem in our culture with sexualizing women. Young girls. Who are actually just girls. Who are actually just children. And this has been

talked about recently because of Chris Delia and so I feel like I've seen a lot of people talking about this and it has made me fucking mad in my own life too of thinking how like the pinnacle of beauty for women is like being looking like a fucking 16 year old

and how wrong that is. It's deeply, deeply fucked up. Yeah, so this movie is scary in the real ways but i really do recommend it and i think it's it's really beautiful in a lot of ways that i didn't do justice i mean i think i talked i described them but there's a certain extent that you gotta you gotta see to experience. It's really, really good. Louisiana is just like a scary place in general.

Anything set in Louisiana, I'm so deeply curious about. But it's so visually striking. Ooh, that part of the South with Spanish moss. Ooh, ooh, ooh. Yeah, it's really, really beautiful. I do love it. But to circle back to the re-edit that happened. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Who was the character that was taken out? So I think there was another uncle that was present who was originally written. So he was a I believe mute uncle and and he was present in the room when the event happened. Oh interesting

and what is does he give some kind of interpretation of his experience? No I don't totally remember but she described it in that it was originally supposed to be someone was there that knew that could not tell you could not speak and then it became interesting and then it became that nobody knew for sure. But the original intent was that someone was supposed to know and that person couldn't tell you.

Hmm. I thought that was pretty interesting. They were silenced. Literally silenced. Yeah. Whoa. This sounds like one I would watch for sure. It's on HBO Go. Check it out. Not HBO Max? I don't know the difference.

If I'm being totally honest with you i i've been too afraid to figure out what either of those mean hbo max is the one that just came out and it's you you have to pay an additional subscription fee for it fuck um i really really enjoyed hearing about this movie sammy. Thank you. Yeah. I was very happy to, again, suggested by a listener who suggested horror noir as well and I'm so happy to have these movies that

I hadn't previously heard of to be on our list now. And I hope that movies become a thing again. I would love for movies to be a thing again. I would love for movies to be a thing again. Man, remember when we all just watched trailers

a few weeks ago because we were excited about movies and they're all movies that we're not going to get to see for a long time, but man, the feeling of watching a trailer was really exciting. Ooh, I love movies. Someday.

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