Too Scary; Didn't Watch - EYES WITHOUT A FACE
Episode Date: August 11, 2021Givenchy nasty nightgowns, detectives that are very bad at their jobs, and the hard plastic mask that started it all - we're recapping Eyes Without a Face!Eyes Without a Face is streaming on ...HBO Max.00:00 - Shoutouts03:28 - Episode starts17:51 - Trivia25:08 - Recap starts Follow the show: @TSDWpodcast on Twitter, TikTok, and Instagram. Check out our Patreon for bonus episodes and additional content! Rate Too Scary; Didn’t Watch 5 Stars on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and leave a review for Emily, Henley, and Sammy. Advertise on Too Scary; Didn't Watch via Gumball.fmSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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sammy and you're listening to Too Scary Didn't Watch, the horror movie recap podcast for those too scared to watch for themselves.
I'm Emily and I am too scared to watch scary movies.
I'm Sammy and I almost got tricked into saying I'm too scared to watch scary movies because Henley's not here and that's her line.
I like watching scary movies.
My head would have exploded.
My nose would have grown five inches.
Emily, how are you?
I'm good.
I'm good.
It's been like an anxious week for me.
Sure.
Yep.
These times.
Do you know?
Yeah.
It's been an anxious, Yeah. 18 months for sure.
And really like a thing that I've just I'm so tired of having to like figure out what is safe and good.
Mm hmm.
We just don't have to do that so much prior to this whole stretch.
And like it's it must be like a big part of parenting just like, what's okay and what can I do and what's right.
And, like, parents must feel like this all the time,
except the stakes are, like, higher.
Because I'm just like, I don't know.
Can someone just fucking tell me?
Can someone just tell me what I'm supposed to do?
I'm so tired of making these decisions.
But that's not what I'm going to talk about.
What I'm going to talk about is something I've been watching.
Sammy, you've been watching it too.
I'm talking about The Bachelorette.
I was more upset by this week's Bachelorette than I have ever been.
Like, I have had more strong feelings than I have ever had watching the show ever, ever.
And I, like, can believe it, but also couldn't believe it.
Because I also know it's like very manufactured.
We listened to, as we've talked about before, Game of Roses.
We were like, we live in LA.
We understand the like television portion of the thing.
Yes.
But I, so I don't normally get very emotionally involved
because I don't really buy most of it.
Mm-hmm.
Wow.
I was so angry in my bones.
And today is Thursday.
We watched it on Monday.
I keep thinking about it.
I keep looking it up.
I keep trying.
I'm fucking furious yep
and like engaged in a way that i have never been and it's just all i can think about i'm right
there with you and if you can believe it this is what i was going to talk about today too thank god
i thought there might be a chance and i was like i fucking need to keep talking about it.
So what happened for our
listeners that don't watch The Bachelorette
is there was the most
upsetting conversation I've
ever seen on it that was just
one of the contestants
just completely
gaslit
and emotionally manipulated the lead in this conversation that was so toxic and emotionally abusive to the point where at the end of the conversation,
she was on her knees begging him to stay crying.
And he looked at her with such disdain and said, I deserve better than you.
such disdain and said i deserve better than you and it was so gross and upsetting and triggering anyone who's ever experienced any sort of emotional abuse i'm sure was like super triggered by that
episode they didn't put up a trigger warning in fact they gave him like basically a bachelor
edit like they're setting him up to be the next bachelor hero the hero of the story and and also like it was yeah it was like to watch any i don't fucking
care i again it's like is does she really love him was her heart really broken i don't fucking
know i don't really care to watch anyone speak to someone they supposedly love that way and and
and just what it like evoked in her.
She was apologizing to him.
It was so insane to watch. And then to have him, yeah, be treated like the hero to like,
because again, I've looked it up like a thousand times to see people's takes.
Like he was pouring his heart out and like she couldn't.
It's like disturbing to me on so many levels.
Yeah.
Especially I think, okay, this guy was the
we're talking about Greg Grippo.
If you want to look it up.
He was the frontrunner.
He was like, by all accounts,
going to win
the show, if you think
about it in those terms, which I do.
And
was like this sweet, shy
guy the whole time.
And I had seen on Do More, my other fucking thing that I can't get enough of, that he's like an actor and none of this is real.
And there had been some posts that he had been like bad to ex-girlfriends.
And he had never mentioned my name, but it was enough details that I was like, it's got to be this guy.
My favorite thing is that it said he doesn't go down on women.
I screamed about that because after seeing this, I'm like, fucking, of course, he does.
He doesn't.
Of course, he doesn't.
He's a tiny little baby bitch boy who doesn't respect women.
But he yeah, he played it off so well for this entire until this episode that I was truly like I had seen those things and was like, I don't it just doesn't.
I believe that it's true, but I can't see how I truly was like I had gotten myself wrapped in the nerve, like maybe he's changed this person.
I don't know at all on a TV show.
And then it was like a fucking switch flipped in this episode.
And immediately I was like scared of him, like scared of him through my TV. I was like, was like a fucking switch flipped in this episode. And immediately I was
like scared of him, like scared of him through my TV. I was like, this is a scary man.
Yeah. It was terrifying to watch how quickly it just turned. And it became the conversation became.
It's like when there's nothing you can say to the other person because the conversation is not about
reaching and understanding the goal of the conversation is not about reaching and understanding.
The goal of the conversation for that person is to make you feel like shit.
Like you can just see there's nothing you can fucking say to him in this moment.
He's made up his mind.
He's just trying to put on a whole big dramatic show and make you look like the bad guy.
Make you the villain and make himself the hero and the victim.
You really feel like you are the bad guy somehow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The thing that.
Oh, my God, this is how we should move past it so sorry everybody i'm just like again i'm it's like
i have a few people with whom i can really like fucking go into this with um the thing that really
like was like making my blood boil more than anything was the him being like you you weren't
even katie you're not even being yourself like telling her you became a different person fucking My blood boiled more than anything was the him being like you. You weren't even Katie.
You're not even being yourself.
Like telling her who she fucking is.
Like, bitch, you're not me.
Like, what the fuck does that mean?
I like you.
I don't even know who you were in that moment.
It's like Katie wasn't even there.
I oh my God.
And Katie, I feel like whatever. I don't I don't know her. I Katie, I feel like, whatever.
I don't know her.
I don't, not that invested in her.
But as, at least as a Bachelorette, she's pretty strong-willed.
I've like enjoyed that about her.
Right.
Both in the show and on social media.
I did enjoy her response to all of this on social media.
But that too was like so gross to watch.
She was, she was so unable to defend herself she
became so not i'm not not as a judgment not her own fault but like weak and small in that moment
because that is exactly what the intention was right that was due to her and it was just like
really jarring to see like that's some of the fuck most badass strong-willed people women i know have been
on the abuser abusive end of like being abused in a relationship right it's so easy to be like
but they're so like tough and strong and cool how could that happen to them or that doesn't make
sense or like i don't know and to watch it play out and be like that's fucking how right he makes you feel insane
like you can't trust your own reality like you have to beg and plead with him that you are somehow
in the wrong that you fucked up with something that was perfect and it's all your fault like
and now it's completely ruined and there's nothing you can do to fix your one mistake that you made. Everything
is thrown away. Now, I was so in love
with you yesterday and now
because of this one thing, I'm not anymore.
I'm not anymore and goodbye.
And there's, and like,
and then, so then there's that.
And then on top of it, the presentation
of him as this like heartbroken
victim going to be
the next Bachelor by all accounts
right and people on Twitter
who again I don't know I don't know them I don't
know their lives being like oh my god poor
Greg I can't believe why didn't Katie
just break down and tell him she was in love with
him and make him stay it's like because that's
fucking bullshit yeah
that's the beginning of an emotionally abusive
relationship right there oh my god I just
like haven't those are red flags left and right.
Yeah.
So what I was going to say is that I started therapy last week.
And so I had my second session today.
And I was like, really sorry to do this right off the bat, but I've got to talk about the
bachelor.
Good.
I talked about it in therapy because it's really, yeah, it's like rattled me to my core. I was very, very triggered by it. And if they fucking make him the next bachelor, I'm literally rioting and I will be single handedly doing everything in my power to take down ABC.
Let's take down ABC.
Let's do it. Let's do it.
Let's do it.
Let's fucking take them down.
But before we do that.
Before we do that,
we've got some more pressing things.
We should recap this week's movie
for our beloved listeners.
Oh, wait, one more thing to say
is that you guys,
your response on our post
for our 100th episode
basically made me fall over
with happiness. I feel like I was
just elated yesterday.
Oh my god. Reading all of your
guys' memories and favorite things
was so, so fun.
Thank you guys so much.
We love you so much. Thank you for that. And there are things
that I'd forgotten about that I read
lines and stuff that really made me laugh.
Just like, what
a joy.
Thank you so
much. Wow. It's real.
It really made us all so
very happy. Yeah, it was
delightful. So you,
while we were having bad
weeks because of Greg Grippo, that was the real
a real turning point.
Thank goodness.
Thank goodness.
Really lifted us out of that, that three days of rage.
Okay.
Emily doesn't even know what this week's movie is.
So this is an exciting surprise.
We are going to be talking about Eyes Without a Face.
Don't love the sound of it.
I guess it's better than Face Without
Eyes for me.
I could see arguments
for both.
This is one that we've had requested before. It came
out in 1960.
It's a French film.
The original
title being Les Yeux
Sans Visage. Oh, beautiful.
I'm going to do my best French.
I don't know much French.
Jenna's our French
speaker of the crew. And she's not
here, so you're going to have to
hear mine. Okay.
It is directed by
Georges Franjou. I feel like I can only do it if I'm leaning to have to hear mine. Okay. It is directed by Georges Franjou.
It's like, I feel like I can only do it if I'm leaning into the accent.
Uh-huh.
How else?
Georges Franjou.
You know, you couldn't say that.
Right, right.
But I always feel like it's a little embarrassing to, like, pretend you're French all of a sudden.
That's true.
It is a one that's hard to do.
There's no middle ground for it.
There's no middle ground.
So I say, give me fucking uh what's
the candelabra's name from uh lumiere lumiere give me your best lumiere it is written by
pierre brulot oh that's good thomas and i don't even know if this one's french uh narkajuck, Jean Redon, Claude Sautet, Pierre Gascard,
based on a novel
by Jean Redon.
Oh my god, I love this.
Only French movies from here on out.
Please. Starring
Pierre Brasur,
Alida Valli, Edith
Scobb, that one doesn't really roll
off the tongue as much,
and Juliette Meniel.
And it is streaming on HBO Max.
Wow.
It's a great film.
It is a film that is very widely praised.
It is on a lot of the best horror movies of all time lists.
It has a 98% on Rotten Tomatoes, a 90% Metacritic, and a 7.7 on IMDb.
Pretty high for IMDb.
Pretty high for IMDb.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
I take it you don't know anything about this movie.
I don't.
And had you ever seen it before, or was this your first time?
I had never seen it before, but I had kind of heard of it just from people requesting it.
And I know I had seen kind of the cover image before.
It's a memorable cover image.
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Some trivia for us
is the
mask that Michael
Myers wore in Halloween was influenced
by the mask in this film.
Mmm!
And I feel like there's also a film called The Skin I Live In that has a similar kind
of mask.
So I wouldn't be surprised if this mask influenced a bunch of masks.
It's a good mask.
It's a good mask.
The initial release of this film was met with negative reactions from critics.
And one French critic stated the film was in a minor genre and quite unworthy of Georges Franjou's abilities.
So it got pretty bad reviews.
And I also read that one reviewer almost got fired for writing it a good review because the publication or whatever was like, no, no, no.
People hate this movie.
We hate this movie.
Write it a bad review.
Change your mind.
Change your mind.
We're going to get some nasty nightgowns in this movie, except I guess this trivia maybe contradicts that because the gowns are made by Givenchy.
So, less nasty.
I believe more of it. Givenchy.
Excuse me. Givenchy.
I don't know if that's how you say it, but I feel like it
sounds... You bear des
Givenchy.
That sounds right.
Um, well, they're
nasty. They're nasty,
but gorgeous. But gorgeous. They can be're nasty. They're nasty, but gorgeous.
But gorgeous.
They can be both nasty and gorgeous.
Nasty.
Beautiful.
It's when the film screened at the Edinburgh Film Festival in 1960, it was reported that
seven audience members fainted.
We love we love that. Eli. We love that.
Eli Roth would love that.
Why do you think,
do people just like start
constricting their breath
because they're scared?
You know, I think...
I want to know the science
behind passing out from
fright at a movie.
Well, there's people that can
pass out at the sight of blood, right?
Like, I feel like it must just be people
that are super
sensitive i always think about you know that one of the first films is that literal like 15 second
clip of a train coming towards the camera it's just called like train coming into the station
and the first time that screened because people hadn't seen any movie before everyone like ran
out of the theater screaming which i don't know why I thought about that when.
Wow.
Imagining these people all fainting.
So I feel like we're getting more desensitized now, but.
Right.
Okay.
Back in the day, people were probably more sensitive as well.
But people still faint in movies now, but they've got to be like audition and green inferno
because yeah this isn't this wouldn't do it in this day and age well i'll be the judge of that
maybe i'm about to pass out just see your chair flip backwards your feet fly in the air yeah a
huge pass out uh it was chosen by entertainment weekly as one of the 100 new classics, ranking as number 74 of the greatest movies of the last 25 years.
It's, again, included among the 1001 movies you must see before you die.
So I get to cross another one off my list.
998 to go.
There are so
many fucking movies. There's so many.
It's really overwhelming. Watching a
movie like this, watching what I
noticed about watching a movie from the
60s, because it's hard for me
and my attention span,
is you feel accomplished afterwards.
Like, I feel like I just
watched a piece of cinema history
and it felt like not just watching a movie.
Like you did something good and important.
Yeah.
Gave myself a good pat on the back after finishing it.
Yeah, I would.
I get it.
It ranked number 27 on Rotten Tomatoes 200 Best Horror Films of All Time.
But on another list on Rotten Tomatoes of the 100 films of all time but on another list on Rotten Tomatoes
of the 100
best horror films of all time it's number
22 so I'm confused because I
feel like that should be that there should be the same
number on both of those lists. Wait what was the first
list? The 200 best horror movies
of all time versus the 100
best horror movies of all time
theoretically should be at the same spot
it should have the same
but it's 27 on one It should have the same.
But it's 27 on one and 22 on the other.
If we're including 200,
I'm going to put a few more at the top.
You can change my ranking a bit.
Interesting, interesting.
And I got a little too caught up in Rotten Tomatoes' ranking list
because they recently ranked all of
Nicolas Cage's movies and
because Pig just became his highest
rated movie of all time.
And I was
really trying to see where Mandy falls
into this. Mandy's not included in any of
the lists and it's not included in these horror
lists either, even though I checked
the numbers and it should be
on there. So I'm
going to must
have to email Ron Tomatoes after this.
Write him. That's crazy that Mandy
wouldn't be included on his best movies.
Yeah. No, I mean, it's just a mistake
that I'm going to have to point out. I mean, a sternly
worded email is coming their way. Good, good, good.
Sammy, you do that and then we'll take down ABC.
Yes. One at a time. We're coming
for you. Watch out. Watch out.
We're going to write some stern're coming for you watch out well watch out we're gonna write some stern
emails you better watch out um that is all the trivia i have so shall we watch this trailer
yes Pourquoi mens-tu?
Depuis le temps que je te connais, je lis sur ton visage.
Dis-moi la vérité. be a good halloween costume that was freaky it's freaky yeah and it's memorable i thought
it was gonna be image for sure yeah yeah and that's like music from the film and i think it sounds a little circusy which is kind
of funny yeah it's all very like it sounds like yeah like you're like going in circles kind of
atmosphere yeah whoa okay okay your interest is peaked this is scary mask it's a hard plastic
that's a hard plastic mask
That's tough for you
On a lady which we don't often get to see
Yeah that's true
Is this our first lady in a mask?
There were some women who wore masks
In the purge
In the purge
And strangers
Our first like
Main one you know
Michael Myers ask mask wearer Right Strangers. Our first, like, main one, you know? Yeah.
Michael Myers-esque mask wearer.
Right.
All right, well.
Shall we? Let's find out what's up with this woman.
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moves her rear view mirror to look in the seat behind her and there is a bundled up woman with
something covering her face kind of huddled in the corner of the backseat of the car. And they keep driving, and she eventually pulls over
and pulls this body out of the backseat.
And we see that this woman is dead.
She pulls her out and basically dumps her body in the river
on the side of the road and gets back in her car and drives away.
Then we see a man, Dr. Genissier, giving a talk on rejuvenation and how the key to that is
basically skin transplants and skin grafting. Early days of, I guess,
the idea of a facelift is what he's talking about.
And there's a lot of rich women in the audience
listening to this talk.
You know how rich people are always going
and listening to doctors give talks.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
That's the one thing I know about rich people
is they like to listen to doctors. Yes. Yeah. That's the one thing I know about rich people is they like to listen to doctors.
Yes.
Speak.
And so he's a very serious man, this doctor. And after the talk, a woman comes up to him or two women come up to him to basically compliment him on the speech, say, this is so interesting, the work that you're doing and he's pretty short with them and says thank you and kind of moves along and one of the women says to the other man he's changed so
much since his daughter vanished it really made me laugh like they're irked that he's rude to them
get over your vanished daughter. Also, vanished is.
Yeah.
I'm sure that's like some sub.
I bet it would be the same as what we would say, like went missing.
But right.
You've really changed since your daughter.
Man, you've changed.
And as he's kind of leaving the building, a man comes up to him,
says he had a phone call for him
while he was giving his talk
and says basically they found a woman's body
and they want you to go down to the police station
to see if it's your daughter
to try to ID it.
Wow, so his daughter went missing very recently.
Pretty recently, but he's changed a lot in that time.
I mean, he's still giving a talk.
Jeez.
Yeah, cut him some slack, ladies.
We see back at the police station two detectives de-talking.
I see.
Two detectives de-talking. I see. Detectives to talking.
Detectives to talking.
They're talking about the woman, the body that they have brought back to the station,
and they say her face is completely...
Disfigured?
Something. Her face is basically
gone, is what they say of this body
that they have found. Vanished.
Her face is vanished.
And they say that kind of matches up
with Dr. Jeannessier's daughter
whose face was really
badly burned in a car accident.
And
one of the detectives says but this face looks like
the edges of the face almost are cut like it looks almost like straight lines around where
the skin is damaged on her regular skin it's like bizarre uh but dr genestier arrives and oh and just
before he arrives the detectives say another
young woman is missing
as well kind of the same description
call her dad in as well we'll see
if either of them can ID her
Dr. Genestier comes in
first looks at her
says that's her that's
Christiane and
they say are you sure he says absolutely that's her and they
give their condolences i'm so sorry and as he's leaving the station the other father
is arriving and says was it your daughter um and he says yes and this man is very very distraught
he's like are you sure are you sure my daughter's been
missing for 10 days and uh dr genesee is like pretty mean to him and says uh he says how odd
that you think i should comfort you when you still have hope and my daughter's dead she's like okay
i think we can be a little nicer than that but sure i guess he's changed so
much he's changed so much so then we see the same woman from the opening scene that dumped the body
kind of walking around the city streets looking at young women that look similar to the young woman that we saw before.
It's like an early 20s woman with short, light brown hair and blue eyes.
It's black and white, so I only know that because they say that.
But we see her kind of looking like she is scoping for someone.
And then we cut to the funeral.
Dr. Genesier's daughter is being buried.
And there's other funeral attendees watching him and his daughter's fiancé kind of mourning saying like this is so awful for them
and we see standing next to them is the same woman that we just saw scoping for women and so she
knows them they are all together basically arm in arm. And so we
the audience
say, uh-oh, what's going
on here? Yeah, we got questions.
And we learn
here that this woman's name is Louise
and I
recognized her
as
the same woman
that I loved so much in Suspiria.
And it is the same woman.
And it just felt exciting to recognize somebody in a movie from 1960.
That is cool.
She's so great.
Her name is Alida Valli.
Wow. and wow she's croatian and but speaks italian english french and serbo croatian and just wow
so talented in still alive no she is not still alive but yeah i feel like she's acting in
different languages in this movie in that movie and she's equally great in both. This movie was made in the 60s?
Yes, and Suspiria, I think, was 72.
Wow. It's crazy
that the 60s was 60 years
ago. It's very crazy.
Because I was like, oh, that's not
what happened to her, but probably
it was 60 years ago.
They're mostly dead, yeah.
It is very bizarre
watching movies and being like, like yeah they're all dead now
they're not
all dead but most of them are
that's how time works I guess
that is exactly it yeah
but it is weird
so
then the funeral
ends and
Dr. Genesier and Louise are the last two left.
The widowed fiance.
Are you widowed if you weren't married?
You know what I mean.
Oh, yeah.
There probably isn't really a term for that.
Probably not.
But the fiance leaves.
And so it's just Dr. Genestier and Louise.
And Louise looks upset and says, can we leave?
Like, I can't take any more of this.
I can't take this anymore.
And Dr. Genesier slaps her.
She's becoming hysterical and basically tells her to get it together.
So we know something's going on.
And then they head home.
And on their drive home, we see that they live basically in a castle.
It's a huge home.
And on the road to their castle, there's a sign up that says basically no trespassers.
But his doctor's office is on the same premises as his house.
So it's two separate buildings, his clinic and his main house.
So they go into the main house and there's very long shots of him parking the car, going through the garage door and walking across the foyer of the building, walking
up a staircase.
There's just like these kinds of things that just don't happen in movies anymore, where
it's about five minutes for him to get to the next part of the movie.
That's very beautiful, but it is just so funny that I'm
like, oh, people just don't do this anymore.
Yeah. So it's just funny
to think we need to see his whole walk.
And movies are still so long.
This movie's pretty short. This is 90 minutes.
And five of them are him walking
in the house? Yes.
I mean, probably more than five. We get more
walking shots later.
They just were like, this is a beautiful house. We got to shots later they just were like this is a beautiful house
we gotta show them walking around and it is a beautiful house
so
but so eventually he arrives
in a bedroom
upstairs and we see
a young woman lying face down
on a bed crying
and in this room there is
a cage of doves
and he he goes next to the bed where she is and finds this.
Printed out obituary for Christian and basically says, where did you find this?
And she's crying and says, what have you done?
And he says, I did what needed to be done.
And I did it all for you, Christian.
So we are now told that his daughter did not die and that they were trying to do, I guess, a face transplant of that other girl who did die
and
put her burned skin
on this other
woman
I think that the other woman
just had no skin just exposed
flesh versus burned skin
I see okay okay and so
this was the other guy's daughter
yes this that was the other guy's daughter. Yes,
this,
that was the other guy's daughter. And he said,
I went a step,
I took a risk and I said that was you so that no one would ask any more
questions.
Like we're going to be safe now.
And,
uh,
she eventually lifts her head to look at him and it's filmed very smartly
where every time she's facing him
it's an over the shoulder behind her
so we never see her face but we see
his reaction
and he says, Christiane, your mask
like you need to get into the habit of wearing your mask
and she says, you know
my mask scares me more than my face
does and he's like, no, you've gotta
you've gotta wear your mask and we can see that
she's just miserable and hates this situation and is basically just being kept in this room while they're trying to find other women to steal their skin to put it on Christian's face.
To put it on Christian's face.
And one thing he says, one thing he says in the lecture earlier is that in order for it to work, you have to be a biological match.
But he means like you have to look exactly the same, which is very funny to think that that's how surgery works.
Like you just have to look like he doesn't say anything about blood type or anything like that.
He's like, you just have to look exactly the same.
Well, because it's got to fit over your same skull.
So it has to fit right. You have to have the exact same size face.
That's very funny.
Part of my research as a doctor is I do need to take the face off of somebody else.
Some other person's face.
Of course. You'll look great. Some other person's face. Of course.
You'll look great. Somebody else will be dead.
And
so they're clearly
fighting and Christiane is not happy
with this situation.
Dr. Genesier is basically saying, I'm doing this for
you. Once we
succeed, you'll see it'll all be worth
it. And she eventually tells him to leave.
And Louise comes in with the mask that we saw in the trailer, just a white plastic mask,
very Michael Myers-esque, as we know from the trivias based on it. And it's very creepy. And
she puts it on and we get our first look at her face covered
with the mask now and yeah she wears these big elaborate nightgowns and louise says you know
it's okay he's he's he's doing his best it's gonna work we're gonna figure this out. And Christiane says something like, he just knows
it was his fault. The car accident was his fault. And he's like doing this for himself to
assuage his own guilt. And so Louise leaves her. Christiane is left alone and sneaks out of her
room and she's kind of tiptoeing around.
Seems as if she's maybe not supposed to be leaving her room.
And she creeps around the house and goes downstairs and finds a telephone and she dials a number and we see her fiance answer on the other end and says, hello, hello.
She doesn't say anything but she's
just listening to his voice longingly
like she's she's very sad
fuck he's not in on this
he's not in on this
also I literally had forgotten she was
engaged because part
of my thinking was his father
feels I mean it's the 60s maybe it's like my daughter
will never find love because I made her face ugly
I gotta get her a nicer face she was a fuck she is in love with someone she we
didn't even give them the chance to overcome this she's i think she was doing fine she was doing
fine yeah the whole premise of this is is is certainly flawed the the motive behind it all is questionable okay so then we see louise
outside again on the prowl and she finds a girl alone in line for some like a movie
and goes up to her and says i notice you're alone i have an extra ticket for this
and the girl's very thankful says oh my gosh that's so nice of you they watch the movie together
then they go and grab coffee afterwards and they're sitting and talking and the girl reveals
the girl's name is edna and edna says that she needs a room.
She's looking for an apartment.
She needs to find somewhere to stay.
And Louise says, oh, I have a I have a place.
We you can come check it out if you see if you like it. But we haven't we have an empty room that you could rent.
She says, oh, my gosh, that's so amazing.
So lucky they get in the car and they drive to the house the big castle
and as they approach edna's already getting creeped out because it's pretty secluded
and they're not not near the city there's no neighbors around and she's getting immediately
creeped out and uh they get out of the car and there's a ton of dogs barking
and edna questions that says what's with all the dogs and louise says more to keep you safe you'll
be safe here and edna looks suspicious but they go in and open the they open the front door and
we see dr jean-acier standing just waiting facing the front door like they basically open the they open the front door and we see dr genesee standing just waiting facing the
front door like they basically open the door to him just standing right there and the light
hits his glasses in this way that it reflects so his eyes look like they're glowing white
like they do in um sin city i feel like elijah wood's glasses like that where it just looks
really creepy they're being very creepy they have absolutely no chill at all they're basically
operating like maybe michael myers got that from them too yeah exactly they uh are both like what
can we get for you can we get you a drink and you're gonna love it here take a seat please sit
here sit here and and it's like um i'm actually in kind of a hurry i'm meeting a friend after this
they're like nonsense nonsense sit down let me get you that drink. And she says, well, you know, this is a little
far out of the way for me. I'd have to think about it. And they're like, nowhere's better
than the suburbs. Nowhere's safer. And she's like, well, I'll need to think about it and
I can get back to you tomorrow. And they're like like tomorrow will be too late and like they're just
being so weird but and eventually uh dr jean-nissier puts a towel over her mouth with the
liquid stuff on it chloroform chloroform she's unconscious and it's almost like why bother
being creepy with like getting her just just do it right off the
bat yeah you're you're not fooling anyone so we might as well just fucking go for it get it done
maybe they're having fun maybe but so they pick her up and start carrying her into this
uh operating room and we see christian watching from above on a staircase and she starts
tiptoeing down and following and seeing what's happening and she waits a bit before she goes
into the operating room I think she hears the doctor and Louise go out the other side to go prepare for the surgery.
And so when she goes into the operating room, the girl is there unconscious on the operating table.
And she looks at her face.
And then she passes through the operating room to a door where all the barking is coming from.
And she opens it and there's 10 or 15 dogs
in cages
barking, big dogs
and she goes
her movement, she's so like
ethereal and
almost, she just
moves like a little doll, like a little
marionette doll or something and she goes and she
like pets each one
and we see that the dogs have bandages.
And maybe some sort of tests are being done on these dogs as well.
And we don't like it.
And so she goes back into the operating room and takes off her mask.
And she walks up to the girl again and touches her face and at that moment Edna wakes up and we get our first look at Christiane's unmasked face and
it's blurry from Edna's point of view as she's of drugged, so it's just a blurry shot of a very heavily scarred, burned face.
And Edna starts screaming.
Dr. Genesier and Louise come back in and are able to inject her with something that knocks her out again too and they're now dressed for surgery they're in their scrubs
and we get the surgery scene which is pretty gnarly for 1960 I feel like it looks
I feel like it looks really good for the time.
So, and it's long.
It's, I feel like about a five minute scene of basically the doctor saying scalpel and getting the scalpel.
Or no, first he gets a pencil and draws the line all around the face he says he's gonna this time take the face off as as all one piece and i guess previously he had cut smaller pieces and he thinks
maybe that's why it didn't work and so he says this time we're going to be real careful and
we're going to lift off the face as just one big face and so he draws the line first around the whole face and around the eyelids.
And then asks for the scalpel.
Gets the scalpel and presses it along the line.
And it bleeds.
And it's like, I'm sure chocolate syrup.
But it looks pretty good and starts dripping down.
And I'm sure this is when the people were fainting in the, in the theater.
Yeah.
And it's just really slow.
And so he'll, he'll, he does the scalpel and then he's got scissors that he's cutting the tissue, cutting the tissue away.
Cutting the tissue away.
And they clamp scissors on any anytime he's done cutting the tissue away.
They clamp scissors on it.
So it's like all these scissors dangling off her face.
That are like clamps.
Ew, it's nasty.
And I've actually seen a facelift in real life.
In my junior year of high school anatomy class, we got to sign up to go see plastic surgeries
and it's
fucking gnarly and but it
is like this like it's
they just snip away at the tissue
underneath your skin
fuck
yeah it's gnarly so
he is
snipping at the skin underneath and we see him starting to pull it off and get those clamps on it.
And Louise is helping him and eventually they get it all the way around and they each grab a couple of the scissor clamp things and they're able to slowly lift the entire
face off and
then we see her bloody
tissue underneath
and
yeah it's just
a very well done scene
I was impressed by
how creepy it looked
if you took someone's full face
and put it on somebody else's
face,
would they look like that? What shapes
the face more? The skin
or the skull? It's gotta be, I would
guess skull. Bone structure, I think.
Yeah, okay, yeah.
And the fact that there's just no talk
of blood type or anything like
that is very funny, because that would be the first thing that I think would.
I mean, I obviously I don't know anything about skin grafting or anything like that.
But I would imagine that your blood type is like the number one most important thing.
But yeah, I would imagine so.
Maybe that maybe they didn't know that in the 60s.
Maybe they didn't know that in the 60s.
Hmm?
So, after surgery, we see a man come by with a stray dog and basically gives it to the doctor.
Says, another stray dog.
So, we see that he is collecting the stray dogs that are being found in the streets of France, wherever.
And he is talking to Louise afterwards and saying, you know, if this is a success, my God, this is this will be huge if this actually works this time.
And I've done so much.
I've done so much wrong to get here, but it'll be worth it. And he says, and I've done so much wrong to you and put you through so much.
And Louise says, but don't ever forget, I owe you my face.
And she then lifts up, she wears always these very thick pearl necklaces
and she lifts up the pearl necklaces and we see a scar running along her throat.
And so we are led to believe that she has received a face transplant from Dr. Genesier, which is a little confusing because it seems like if you've done it successfully before, then why are the stakes so high right now?
Yeah, what's up with this?
Anyways, but then we see that they have Edna bandaged.
She's looking like goodnight mommy, just with bandages wrapped all around her face, locked
in a room.
And I'm curious what their plan is here with Edna.
Yeah, she's seen a lot.
I don't, yeah, it's like, are you going to take care of her for the rest of her
life?
You think you can
let her go and she's just not going to
mention it? Or what do you think is going to happen
here? So
Louise goes in to bring her
some food
and it's clear that
Edna's pretty drugged up still
and as Louise is putting the tray in front of her,
Edna pulls a bottle out of somewhere and smashes it over Louise's head
and is able to kind of stumble out the door to escape,
and she starts making a run for it,
and shortly after louise comes to wakes back up and is able
to yell down to dr genesee like edna's god she's escaped that way and so this chase ensues they're
chasing her and she's running room to room again it's a big mansion she's like not finding her way
out and eventually we hear off screen just a scream.
And Dr. Genesier runs into this room where the window is open and looks out the window.
And Edna has fallen or jumped, maybe trying to get onto the roof or something, but has like accidentally fallen out of this i think third floor third story window and
we see her body laying on the ground below with blood pouring from her head and so she she is dead
and louise and dr genissier wrap her up in a little blanket or something and take her to the same
cemetery that they were just at
burying the other
body and they basically toss
this new body into the same
grave so this is
getting to be real populated
oof and then we
see at a police station
a woman reporting
Edna missing who whatever friend she was supposed to meet up with that night.
She said she was going to meet up with a friend and basically says she never showed up.
And they say, OK, well, what can you tell us about who she was with before?
And this woman just says, I don't really know anything other than she mentioned she had just met a woman
in a pearl necklace.
And the police
officer says, like, oh, it'll look a lot of good.
That's gonna do.
No, but it's a big pearl necklace.
Big, big, big.
It's kind of her thing. She uses it to
hide her big neck scar.
And I think
she has brought along a photo
of Edna. And so after she
leaves, after having reported this,
the police
officer is looking at this photo and
says, another
of these young girls
same age as the last two
that are just turning up missing.
These blue-eyed girls,
basically blue-eyed college students that all kind of up missing. These blue-eyed girls, basically blue-eyed college students
that all kind of look alike.
And another police officer's in the room
interviewing a young woman
and walks over to this guy and says,
speaking of young blue-eyed girls,
what do I do with this girl?
She was shoplifting.
And the guy says,
just give her a stern talking to it and let her go
and so he does and basically says don't do it again they let this girl go uh and then we go back
to christian's house to this to the mansion and they're just sitting around eating dinner. Christiane's face looks amazing.
There's, she's back
to normal, it seems,
and everything went
great. Her
skin
looks flawless.
And they're all... Well, and so
what's the plan then, now that people
think she's dead? Yes, so
they have a little bit of a talk about that.
And the doctor says, basically, I'll get you new papers.
We can get you out of the country first.
You'll have to build a bit of a life somewhere else first.
And then you can come here with a new backstory.
And she kind of says. Well what about Jacques.
My fiance.
And they're kind of scratching their head at that.
And they're like well he might be on board with it.
If we told him the truth.
But like let me think on it.
Like he does love you so much.
And the tone of this.
This is hopeful.
People are feeling.
They're feeling excited.
This is a success, at least.
A step in the right direction.
Sure, there's some stuff to figure out.
You know, there's a few
roadblocks, but
overall, I'd say good news.
Great news, yes.
Would you be able to
get over it?
Having someone else's face?
No. Say you're engaged
to be married and say
they die, as far as you know.
And then about a week later
you get told, by the way, they never
died, they just were
complicit in the murder and face
stealing. Would you
still love them? Hell yeah.
No, I'm just kidding.
That's love. I'd have a pretty big problem with it.
I think that I would have a bigger problem with Dr. Genesier.
I'd be like, okay, great.
You're going to go to jail, though.
Yeah.
Yeah, it'd be a really hard one to look past.
Yeah. We'd certainly have to have some
some long talks about it um but they're feeling excited and as dr genesee gets called to
the clinic um to tend to one of his patients he goes goes to kiss. Christiane and says.
You're not wearing any makeup are you?
And she says no why?
And.
He says oh nothing.
There's just a little flush in your cheeks.
And he looks a little.
Stressed by this.
And Louise follows him out.
Noticing this.
And says what's going on?
And he says I've failed.
Like, I can see that it's doing the same thing that it did last time when it rejected it.
And then we get a series of medical photographs, photographs, photographs, photographs of of christianne over the next 21 days as her skin starts rejecting as her body starts rejecting the
new skin and it looks really nasty and it's like it's uh the doctor's voiceover describing what's
happening and it's like day three it notices the foreign skin and starts attacking it. By day 12, necrosis is happening.
The skin has all died. Ew! Oh, fuck!
And they'll basically have to
again do surgery
to remove the skin
that has died, because it's like
rotted flesh now
on her skin. Ew.
Hey, maybe blood type, guys.
Blood type could be something to look into.
Otherwise, this would have worked perfectly.
So, it has failed, and we see Christiane again back in this depression.
She puts the mask back on, and we see Dr dr genesee practicing more on the dogs we see a dog
on the operating table thankfully it's just um we don't see any of the actual operating happening
it just has a patch of fur that doesn't match the rest of his fur and he's looking at it like hmm yes yes uh and
Christiane
is just so so
sad and so again
sneaks out of her room tiptoes
down to the
uh room where the telephone is and
calls Jacques one more time and
he says hello hello who's there
this is so frustrating
who keeps doing this and she just says Jacques and he says, hello, hello, who's there? This is so frustrating. Who keeps doing this?
And she just says, Jacques.
And he says, Christiane?
And at that moment, Louise walks in, catches her, slams the phone down and says, what are you doing?
What are you thinking?
Like, you're putting us all in danger.
And she's like, who did you call?
Who are you talking to?
And she says, nobody, nothing.
I wasn't doing anything.
What?
And Christiane just starts.
I'm asleep.
Nothing to see here.
And Christiane just like breaks down and sobs.
And the little tears are rolling down the plastic mask.
And she says she just wants to die.
She says this is just torture and we're doing such horrible things.
And I don't want to live like this.
And he's going to keep doing this and keep basically testing on me like one of his dogs.
And I just would rather be dead than do this.
Oof.
It's very sad.
And then we see Jacques at the police station saying,
I got a call from Christian.
And they basically say, you know, that's not possible.
Did you ask Dr. Jeunessey?
He says, yeah, I asked him about it.
He said it must be a prank or something.
They say, yeah, it probably is a prank.
said it must be a prank or something they say yeah it probably is a prank and uh but then the police the detective says like it is weird that all these girls that look alike have gone missing
that all all match christian's description and but we don't really we have no leads about anything
except for this woman with a pearl necklace and jo for this woman with a pearl necklace.
And Jacques says, woman with a pearl necklace?
I know a woman with a pearl necklace.
And then we see Louise back in her car again, scoping the streets for another young woman to be their next victim.
And back at the police station, they called back in the shoplifter that looked similar to the rest of the girls. Her name is Paulette.
And they basically blackmail her into into doing a favor for them where they say.
You know, actually, you might have to go to trial
you might go to jail you are in trouble though we uh we change our minds upon a further reflection
you are in big trouble unless you do this one thing for us so she obviously agrees and they say we'll need you to lighten your hair and check into this hospital
and they tell her what to say and uh jacques works at the same hospital that's um how i guess
he met christian but so he works with dr genesee and so he's's like, Jacques will tell you what to say. He'll be there.
So just to make sure it's all believable and you'll just go in and complain of a pain and
they'll just basically examine you.
And I guess their plan is to see if anything out of the ordinary happens.
And so she agrees and she goes and checks in and dr jean-nissier comes in and like is basically
salivating at the sight of her he like looks like his eyes go wide another perfect match
their faces are the same and that's all that matters and apparently their hair and eyes need
to be the same color even though we're not taking those.
Right.
Right.
Some pretty strange standards that we need to meet here.
Just sort of completes the mental picture.
It's how you know it's the right face.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So they start doing some tests on her.
And Dr. Genesier is basically like, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with her.
And you can see he is keen to take her face.
And so he says, we should discharge her tonight.
No use keeping a bed free.
Like, we'll free up a bed if we discharge her now.
And so they send her downstairs to go check out of the clinic.
She talks to the woman at the front desk and hands in her whatever paperwork that she needed to sign and uses the phone to call her mom to tell her mom I'm coming home and asks for directions.
Where do I go?
And they say it's about a 15 minute walk to the bus station.
And so she leaves.
And as she steps out onto the street.
Louise drives right up and offers her a ride home.
She has no detectives following her.
Nobody's keeping an eye on her.
These are the worst detectives.
What is the plan? I don't understand it. detectives following her. Nobody's keeping an eye on her. These are the worst detectives.
What is the plan?
I don't understand it.
What have they been talking about?
Like, why are they not keeping eyes on her?
It's very strange, but they don't.
So she's like, oh, thank you so much.
That's so nice of you.
Gets in the car with Louise.
And then we go back to the police station and see Jacques calling the detectives and being like oh
I guess they discharged her and I guess nothing weird happened so I'm sorry for wasting your time
and the detectives are like told you it was all going to be fine but let's just make sure she
gets home okay call her mom to make sure she got home. Okay.
And we cut to the operating room.
They are prepping Paulette for surgery.
We are drawing that line around her face again.
And then there's a knock or then Louise comes in and says, there's two police officers in the clinic here to see you.
He's like, I obviously don't have time for that right now.
She's like, I think they're not going to leave until they.
Yeah, that's not really how it works.
And so he goes out, walks from his main house to the clinic in full scrubs, which I think is automatically suspicious.
Like, why are you wearing scrubs
in your home?
You're literally dressed for
surgery right now.
Like, he's not just in scrubs.
He has his, like, gloves and, like,
surgical apron and mask on
and his, like, hair net.
It's like, you don't wear that at home, sir.
Anyways. Well, you shouldn't. that at home, sir. Anyways.
We shouldn't.
Again, these detectives are not the best.
So he goes into the clinic and they ask him about Paulette.
They say she's involved in an investigation we're working on.
We're wondering if you've seen her.
And he goes over to the front desk woman and they find the
paperwork that she checked out and he basically says see she checked out once a patient goes
through those doors they're not my responsibility anymore like i don't know where she is and they're
like okay great thank you so much for your time jacques comes out finishing
up his day of work and he says jacques can you go see these men out they all walk to their cars
and jacques again just apologizes for wasting their time and says i'm so sorry and that they
say that's okay like a lot of our job is following up dead leads like this happens all the time and
we're so good at it so don't even worry about it it was just really blowing my
mind how much how little they did to actually try to see if anything was going on so i know
that i've talked about this before how in move in today's movies detectives are so good they're so
good in fact everyone's a detective. It's like
they're basically superheroes.
Remember in Seven, there's like
a part where there's a piece
of plastic in one of the victim's
stomachs and so they
realize that it's being
it was carved from the floor
of the kitchen so they pull the refrigerator
forward and see a message
carved behind. Like there's so many
steps that they do. So
many steps. And these guys are doing
zero steps. They're doing zero steps. They're like, okay.
Okay. Well, I don't
want people to do this job. It's so easy.
So they all leave. They go home
and
back in the
operating room, we see that Christiane is in there alone with Paulette.
And she again walks up to her, touches her face.
And Paulette wakes up and starts screaming.
And Christiane grabs a scalpel.
And Paulette is crying.
She's like handcuffed to the bed as well.
And or tied to the bed.
And Christiane takes the scalpel and cuts the ties to the bed, lets her go, opens the door, lets her run out.
And after she runs out, Louise walks in and says christian what are you
thinking what are you doing comes up to her christian stabs her in the neck with the scalpel
just freaking pokes it right in stabs it right in and sticking out it's really gross and louise looks very shocked and kind of stumbles backwards and falls and dies oh and then christian walks into the room with the dogs and starts opening
all the cages of the dog cages and all the dogs start running out she goes back to her room with
the the doves lets all the doves out of the cages.
I guess there's another dove cage, too.
So now there's like birds flying around, dogs running free.
And again, she's walking in this very funny way.
You know what?
Exactly what she looks like.
And if Henley were here, she would know.
And I'm hoping maybe you've seen this image of Mr. burns in the simpsons where he is high on something and his pupils are huge and
he's basically like tiptoeing through the woods i don't remember what he's high on but she looks
like that that she's got big mr burns on hallucinogenic drug drugs and energy and uh we see dr uh genesee walking back towards the main house from the clinic
and as he approaches it all the dogs are running out and they all attack him and start okay these
dogs know who their enemy is they know and they start start basically ripping him apart.
And the way that this scene is filmed, I was trying to find some actors rights issues because it looks like there's no way they could have safely filmed this in the 60s.
Oh, my gosh.
But I couldn't find anything.
So nothing bad must have happened. But there you can see that he has a lot of padding on him.
So they're biting his arms and his stomach. And you could see that he has a lot of padding on him so they're biting his arms and his stomach
and you could see that he's padded but his head is out and there's just 10 dogs biting him that'd
be very scary so fucking scared filming that scene um but i guess it was fine because i couldn't find
anything it's fine still actor's rights yeah I still think it was probably not great.
My senses were tingling that there was some actor's rights violations happening, regardless of the outcome.
Yeah.
And so, Christiane, after she has freed everyone, one of the doves lands on her shoulder.
freed everyone. One of the doves lands on her shoulder
and she's walking out
in her Mr. Burns walk,
sees her father
torn apart and disfigured
and
seems unaffected by it
and just walks
into the night, into the forest
and that's the
end of the movie. She's just walking to
her freedom.
Wow. and that's the end of the movie so we're just walking to her freedom wow it's a pretty good movie I really liked it
alright
and I mean okay
90 minutes for a movie in the 60s I feel like is
a freaking
quick ride yeah
yeah that kind of rules
yeah I really like it and
the like idea of like I'm thinking of it as a reflection of the importance we place on physical appearance is all I could think about.
She'd rather be dead than not stunningly beautiful.
Or at least her father would rather that.
You can't go into the world not looking anything less than perfect is really disturbing to me.
Yeah.
And those beauty standards.
And I read in something that it was like also the fact that you have to then take that from something.
Someone else is an interesting commentary on like, I can't be pretty unless you're ugly type of thing.
Oof. Oof. But yeah, I can't be pretty unless you're ugly type of thing. Oof.
Oof.
But, yeah, I really liked it.
I really liked it.
Listeners, give it a watch.
It's on HBO Max.
And I guess I'll become a detective after this because it's so easy.
It seems like you could do it, yeah.
I think I could do it.
You'd be very good at it.
Previous movies have made me think I'd be very bad at it but not this one were you correct about um i know very little about this show because
i didn't watch it but i know you had a hunch about click mayor of east town were you correct no not
even close damn damn here's the thing i'm very rarely correct but i believe so strongly in myself
i'm like this is absolutely it.
I feel like it's the only aspect of my life where that is true. It's watching murder mysteries.
I feel like in everything else, it's like you do do a good job, but I'm just like, you're so bad.
You suck. But when I'm watching or reading a murder mystery, I'm like, you fucking know
things that nobody else knows. And it's never never true but it's because there's so many traditional like tricks and things that they
do in murder mysteries to lead you to think certain ways that i'm always like well it's not
that because that's what they want me to think and then the trick is to make literally every
single person a suspect and that's how you
really confuse people but truly almost nobody got mayor of east town i was looking at articles
articles leading up to the finale of the kind of ranking of who's the most suspicious who's the
most likely and i went back and looked at him later, none of them, none of them had the actual killer, even ranked in it
at all.
Pretty impressive
on Mayor of Easttown's part
to make it a completely
unpredictable killer.
Dang.
Yeah, that's hard to do.
That's hard to do. Congratulations, Mayor of Easttown.
She's a great detective. That's hard to do. Congratulations, Mary Vistar. She's a great detective.
She's a great detective.
Wow.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, I mean, we got to do a French accent.
Oh, fun.
The French.
Okay.
French.
The French.
Be our guest.
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